Last chance for rookie McCarron to impress Habs coaches?

The Canadiens held a workout at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard Friday morning before the 20 players who will face the Carolina Hurricanes in Quebec City Friday night (7:30 p.m., RDS) boarded a bus for the provincial capital.

The Canadiens’ lineup for Friday’s game includes 10 NHL players, but the focus will be on a group of players who might be getting their last chance to impress the coaches before being sent to the minors or, in the case of Michael McCarron, back to junior.

The lineup includes nine players who have spent the past week working out away from the main group and they’ll try to demonstrate why they deserve a longer look. That group is headed by Gabriel Dumont, who  played 10 games with Montreal last season. He said he wasn’t surprised  not to be included among the 15 forwards in the main group because he didn’t play well in his first exhibition game.

Swede Sebastien Collberg has an opportunity to shine as he plays on a line with veterans Max Pacioretty and David Desharnais. Alex Galchenyuk will be at centre between Brandon Prust and Christian Thomas.

The Carolina lineup includes a couple of former Habs – forward Aaron Palushaj and defenceman Mike Komisarek. Palushaj signed with Carolina as a free agent after splitting last season between the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs and the Colorado Avalanche. Komisarek signed with the Hurricanes after he was bought out by the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Here are the Canadiens’ lines and defence pairings for Friday’s game. 

LINES

Collberg-Desharnais-Pacioretty
Prust-Galchenyuk-Thomas
Bournival-Holland-McCarron
Tarnasky-Dumont-Blunden

DEFENCE

Gorges-Subban
Tinordi-Pateryn
Dietz-Nygren

GOALIES

Budaj
Tokarski

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

527 Comments

  1. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Why do I feel like a troll when I want to write that I would like to see the Desharnais of the season before last again? I feel almost guilty having hope for this player – his success would be so disappointing for so many.

  2. 25insight says:

    LOOK AT DD BUZZ AROUND

  3. dre1744 says:

    best stream i found so far no crap to install

    http://www.usagoals.me/

  4. Habilis says:

    If Price looked mediocre last game, then Cam Ward looks downright awful tonight.

    Fleury got lit up in his first game, ditto Luongo.

    Looking for a Canadian goalie who wants to play in Sochi… Anyone?

    I know, I know, it’s just preseason. ;)

  5. Small_Town_Boy says:

    What is the point of fighting in the pre season?

    Dat’s wha me tinks

  6. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    A dumb fight in which I hope Prust didn’t get hurt, followed by a hockey goal scored by someone or other.
    One out of two ain’t bad.

  7. Adidess says:

    Catching up now. Happy we’re winning. Was this a useful fight? Was it worth having Prust go out with a shoulder? Anyway.

    Third goal. What a juggernaut we are!

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    David Desharnais really needs to stop being so short and weak and 7 lbs lighter and not a great skater.

  9. Dust says:

    what a pointless fight. and stupid of prust. I mean we had a faceoff in their zone. Dumb

  10. Harditya says:

    Prust such a classy guy. Taps the guy’s helmet after the fight ends, I have never seen that before.

  11. petefleet says:

    Norris trophy winner tries to clear the puck right up the gut…good thing the guy who intercepted didn’t get much on it. Come on PK get it together!!

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

  12. longbow says:

    Watching the game here. Nothing to install. Just click and watch.

    http://www.justin.tv/habs__tv#/w/6905899440

    ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

  13. Mavid says:

    try this one, I just tested it and once the ads ended the game was on I did not have to install anything..I have RDS HD already so I don’t need it

    http://atdee.net/63192/watch-montreal-vs-carolina

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  14. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Great shot by Pateryn, great pass by Nygren — flashes of a bright future hopefully!!

  15. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    I love watching goals like Galchenyuk’s. Long rebounds to the trailing player – pretty goals.

    And did you notice DD making that admittedly short pass?

  16. Strummer says:

    good shift for Pacs , DD and Pateryn

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  17. Danno says:

    Great start. Keep it going. No JM hockey please…

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  18. Un Canadien errant says:

    Snap judgments: David Desharnais is much too small to win puck battles. Not.

    Pateryn stays with the Canadiens instead of starting the season in Hamilton.

    Prusty and Alex Galchenyuk won’t be sent down to Hamilton either.

  19. Harditya says:

    Beautiful pass by Dietz! GALCHENYUK WOOO

  20. Harditya says:

    Pateryn’s been looking real good.

    • Habilis says:

      Agreed. He’s ready for the show. Tinordi as well.

      Bouillon and Murray or Tinordi and Pateryn as your 3rd pair?

      Easy choice, IMO. I know it won’t happen barring injuries, but I honestly think that this is a better team with the latter pairing.

  21. 25insight says:

    if anyone needs a stream, ill just leave this here

    http://www.darestreams.tv/stream19.html

  22. B says:

    Gee, TSN’s highlights of the “best plays of the pre season so far” just happen to be dominated by the Leafs. Imagine that.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Habilis says:

      Shocking.

      If the Loafs ever win a playoff round again, the Toronto Sports Network is going to have to re-staff due to a sudden outbreak of exploding heads in their newsroom.

  23. Trisomy 21 says:

    Before every game without fail there is someone looking for a link to watch the stream. To any of those, or those who already got an answer, please bookmark this page.

    http://habsonlinetv.blogspot.ca/

    It’s a site that links multiple streams at once so you can choose the one with best quality or shortest delay. There’s always an RDS stream too.
    Forget to bookmark the site? well goddamn I just told you to, but if that’s the case remember this:
    Google “Watch Habs Online” and it is the first site to come up.
    Easy enough? good!

  24. Hobie Hansen says:

    Has Eller forgave Diaz for that suicide pass from last year yet?

  25. SmartDog says:

    I’ve got a nice steak bone for someone who can show me how to watch the RDS game online.

    For the last one I went to JustinTv and ended up installing sh.. crap, and changing my home page and then it kept crashing. A waste of time. I have RDS in October but my package doesn’t switch until then.

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  26. Trisomy 21 says:

    Sad news about BlackBerry taking it on the chin despite their last push to take back the mobile market share they’ve lost over the last 5 years. It’s too bad, I really thought their new devices were superior to the iPhones even with their new makeover. I also had a soft spot for the company being they are Canadian

  27. HabFab says:

    As the world turns OR things go round in a circle… good to see no matter how you look at it;
    http://instagram.com/p/efZ6aXszWM/#

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    Courageous move by Rocky Wirtz, who states that he can work within the budget to make Jonathan Toews and Patrick Kane lifetime Chicago Hawks.

    http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/ct-spt-0920-toews-kane-blackhawks-chicago-20130920,0,3237098.story

    Especially since the poor Wirtz family still hasn’t managed to turn a profit on the team in the seventy years they’ve owned it. Way to take one for the team, Rocky.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/poor-rocky-wirtz-just-cant-seem-to-turn.html

  29. HabFab says:

    John Bartlett @BartsBytes

    Accident and heavy traffic on route. #Habs just arriving now at the rink in Quebec City.

    Not good……..

  30. JohninTruro says:

    Vail picked up 1 assist last night on 3 goals.
    Crisp should be playing tonight for Sudbury, and Reway is playing tonight.

    • Eddie says:

      When was the last time we had a captain of one of the great NCAA teams? Bennett is the full package. I’m a little surprised at Serious Fan’09 for his lack of enthusiasm.

      Mckeen’s Scouting Report on Mac Bennett

      elite level puck poise .. does not panic with the puck when pressured, even if he doesn’t have full control of it .. adept at corralling difficult pucks and draws pucks off the boards very well .. very confident skating the puck and has a smooth, powerful stride that gives him above-average speed .. able to build considerable speed through crossovers, but also has strong straight-line acceleration .. makes powerful turns with the puck and can evade checkers with tight circles .. smooth walking the blueline and can get off a smooth, hard, fading slapshot .. possesses a crisp, hard wristshot from the point, thanks to the significant stick bend he creates .. skating abilities give him a quick release, as he can promptly position himself to get a quality shot off quickly .. is also adept at passing the puck, as he makes crisp, accurate breakout passes and doesn’t unnecessarily rush the breakout .. also an adept point-to-point passer .. skating prowess also translates to his defensive game, as he has professional-caliber stopping abilities backwards to stick with shifty opponents .. lateral mobility enables him to get to assignments deep in the defensive zone quickly

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    Resumption of hockey is a really cool thing about this time of year, but so is this also:

    http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Whistler-Blackcomb/6day/top

  32. Lafleurguy says:

    HabFab, SmartDog, 24Cups, Chris, Ben, Burly, Gentleman Jim, Merrytimes, Dunboyne Mike, Clay, ebk, relentless, Ian, Sholi, JB, Marc10, and Professor and Mary-Anne.*

    “May you live in interesting times.”
    *secretElleandtheladiestoo

  33. Lafleurguy says:

    HabFab/more than “honorable mention”

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  34. Ian Cobb says:

    HIO MEMBERS SUMMIT CHARITY RAFFLE, ITINERARY & LOCATIONS

    “Some fantastic raffle prizes this year folks!”
    Please bring your charity gift donations promptly at 3pm to the Baton Rouge.
    Raffle tickets will be sold at 3pm as well.
    “$20 ea. and 3 tickets for $40.”

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out by Shane and Sherrie.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation Charity Raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.

    Each person is asked to bring one gift item to donate for the charity raffle, so everyone gets a gift to go home with. After this years fund raiser, HIO members will have donated over $10,000. We are supporting the Mtl. Canadiens Children Foundation.

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and Hab’s game.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for our HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Summit.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit/197390760316125

  35. HardHabits says:

    For the record I will not be watching the game tonight.

  36. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Oh dear, oh dear. It’s McCarron’s last chance to impress the coaches. They won’t read scouting reports, view video or discuss with his coaches. He will vanish!

    It’s no bloody wonder we get so much ‘there is no tomorrow after a meaningless preseason game” anguish.

    He’ll have years to impress the coaches. Years.

  37. Hobie Hansen says:

    Anyone know if RDS is showing the game tonight?

    Have a great weekend everybody!

  38. shiram says:

    Seems that the Qc game tonight did not sell well, and I can understand why, but in the big picture, it might not be such a good thing for the people of Qc city.
    I’m sure the NHL will have a look at the attendance figures, it might not be such a big deal, but every bit counts. If people want to have the Nordiques back they should go see the game…
    Same with the Jays coming to the Big O.
    If you want the Expos back, you should be buying a ticket…

    • Eddie says:

      Is Briere hurt? Because the fact that he’s not in the lineup is a disappointment to many in Quebec City.

      I’ve spent quite a bit of time up there. Those are some of the most knowledgeable and loyal hockey fans on the planet.

      When (not if) a franchise returns to Quebec City, unless there is a total economic collapse, that place will be sold out night after night like it is in Winnipeg.

      I agree about the Jays game in Montreal. Baseball is watching to see if there is any significant support in this city.

      • shiram says:

        But they got Desharnais!
        I’m much less certain about a hockey team in Quebec than you are. I just don’t see Bettman doing it, he’s setup the conferences to ensure no team expands in the East.

      • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

        The powers that be tried to bully and guilt Montrealers into going to baseball games in that god-forsaken stadium for years and years, it just made people mad. It’ll be a cold day in hades when I pay to see the Blue jays play and if people in Quebec don’t want to watch the Habs, well, that’s okay too.

    • Bash says:

      Piggy bank breaking by average wage earners will not put professional hockey back in Quebec City. The NHL is a corporate toy.

      For most of us attending a live game is a very special treat and a significant payout.

      The NHL will not punish people for not passing the test of purchasing overpriced tickets to watch juniors practice.

      “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      Agreed – most know there is little love for Habs in QC. But with the picture improving for NYI and Florida, there is next to zero chance for QC to get a franchise as the east is set for the forseeable future.

      Next city up is for franchise is Seattle in the West. I would assume GB will want yet another at some point to even up east / west. For the life of me, I can’t think of another west destination that would actually sell, other than aforementioned Seattle.

      I still miss the Expos and have taken to half-heartedly rooting for the Twins here in the land of too many lakes.

    • Betelgeuse says:

      You’re right. If they want their team back they need to show the NHL they’re ready to sell out games. Unfortunately I think a lot of fans got discouraged when the Coyotes finally stayed in Phoenix. Also most of the people who bought tickets are probably Habs fans. Nordiques fans are fed up with the idea of spending $$$ to see the Canadiens play preseason games in their city. The Hurricanes wasn’t the best choice of teams either. The NHL kinda dropped the ball with that one.

    • Scotty90 says:

      Quebec may have a few empty seats but nothing close to the disgusting attendance in Florida last week! Breaks my heart to see the lack of interest! Really feel badly for the players in those markets.
      http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/florida-panthers-explain-embarrassingly-low-preseason-game-attendance-212803421–nhl.html

  39. Eddie says:

    FYI, for those asking about Boone,

    Mike BooneSEPTEMBER 16, 2013 AT 5:24 PM
    The blog is a complement to, rather than a substitute for, TV coverage. I’m going to do three preseasons: tonight (Sept 16th), Saturday against Carolina and next week’s visit to Ottawa. Then business as usual when the season begins.

    Mike Boone
    Hockey Inside/Out blogger

  40. Quite the stir from Barch and Gallant taking off one anothers’ helmets to fight.

    Interesting times…http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/darren_dreger/?id=432336

    DDonais

    • B says:

      You should get a penalty if you remove another players helmet, even during a fight. Players should also be fined and / or penalized for not having a properly tightened chin strap on their helmets (safety). I am surprised the insurance companies don’t insist on it (and refuse any claims where players don’t have their helmet properly on). If making them keep their helmets properly on all the time reduces staged fights then that’s even better.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • shiram says:

        I’m surprised there isn’t already a rule against meddling with another player’s gear…

        • B says:

          agree

          –Go Habs Go!–

        • slyCH says:

          I just find the rule of not removing the helmet stupid.

          • B says:

            In many cities there are bylaws about everyone always wearing a helmet while on the ice in their arenas, even the zamboni drivers have to wear them. I don’t see safety measures as stupid, but that’s just my opinion. To each their own.

            –Go Habs Go!–

          • slyCH says:

            In the NHL fighting is still “accepted” Should these goons bash their knukles on a helmet? They had a code to remove the helmet before a fight.
            Now, I’m not a fan of fighting, but the fact remains it is a part of the game.
            So when, during a fight, one player’s helmet comes off and the other’s remain, is that, in your opinion, a fair fight?
            The “stupid” comes from that point of view. That is all.
            Resume your high-horse.

          • DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

            Agreed. More damage done when punching visors and helmets than punching a skull.

          • slyCH says:

            Not what I meant DADI…. The fact remains if, during a fight, one player’s helmet falls and the other player’s helmet stays on, it’s not a fair fight. That’s my only point.

          • B says:

            When a player falls down, the officials often step in and stop the fight. They could do the same if someones properly worn helmet falls off (or if their pants fall down or what ever). High horse because I don’t agree with you that it is stupid?

            –Go Habs Go!–

    • piper says:

      That Gallant kid sure can throw them.

  41. Vinny Red says:

    Anyone know if Booner is blogging ce soir?

  42. habs11s says:

    So ‘Flames name Giordano 19th captain in franchise history’ and
    ‘Capitals set to host 2015 Winter Classic’ but Kadri practices today and he gets front page coverage… god I hate the Toronto Sports Network sometimes…

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    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    Nice reading the LHJMQ previews from Commandant.

    One question: why have West, East and Maritime divisions? Couldn’t we have the Lemieux, Lafleur and Crosby divisions, or something? Mario played in Laval (West), Guy in Québec, and Sidney in… well, that doesn’t really fit, Rimouski is in the East, not the Maritime, but he’s from Nova Scotia, so we can make it work.

    It would be a good way to honour the greats who have come through the league, help the young ‘uns learn some history, for cripes’ sakes.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Garbo says:

      1) You don’t see any issues with naming a division after a current player?

      2) Who really cares what the divisions are named?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Well, that’s not really history if they have current players on it.
      I’d say (for example):

      Richard Conference
      Howe Conference

      Orr Division
      Gretzky Division
      Hull (Bobby) Division
      Lemieux Division

      Discuss….?

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Luke says:

        What I want to say is this:

        You’d have no idea which teams are in which division if they were named after players. The names should be intuitive for casual fans and that’s why geography works well.

        But what I have to say is this:

        The NHL sucks at geography and naming conventions.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I totally disagree with that. For the longest time, the divisions were named after people….Norris, Smythe, Patrick and Adams and fans knew what teams were in them. You learn it, then you remember it. It’s really not that difficult, to tell you the truth.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • Luke says:

            Casual fans, IMO, won’t learn. I’m a rather casual football fan and I have no idea who is is what conference or division.

            Committed hockey fans will figure it out, sure, but (IMO again) there are more casual than commited fans.

            I dunno… maybe i’m just arguing for the sake of arguing on a Friday. I’m really not committed to it. Except for the NHL screwing this up.

      • Habcouver says:

        I love your Conference names.

        Personally, I think Gretzky and Lemieux are too young to be given the honor. Try replacing with Sawchuk and Henderson?

        Waiting patiently for #25

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        I vote for:

        110% Division
        Top Cheddar Division
        Get Pucks Deep Division
        Lower Body Injury Division

    • slyCH says:

      I’m all for a Lemieux division, I grew up in Laval and watched his career come to blossom. So what if Laval has no team in the Q!

    • B says:

      Why not Lafontaine, Bossy, Larouche or even Deziel? It can be difficult to pick a couple of “greats” over the other without some folks disagreeing or feeling slighted. Ditto for trying to pick a few greats to name NHL divisions after, hard to find a consensus. Different teams (and their fans) would likely have different choices.

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I think my list has better players on it, but your opinion counts as well. I basically took a few names of what are more or less commonly believed as the top players of all time, but that’s why this will likely not happen unless they decide to make up a committee and make the decision.
        Just like choosing Team Canada….you can’t please everyone.
        I doubt many people would choose your list over mine, even in their cities, but you never know.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          My reasoning though was that the divisions should be named for players who have played in the Q. For the NHL though, I agree that that your suggestions have merit.

        • B says:

          I listed players who are among the all time greats in the Q. Does the Q care about players who never played in their league? Do they care about what their players did after as much as they care about what they did in the Q? Hard to say, but just another example of where there could be some divergence of opinion. You are correct that you can’t please everyone.

          –Go Habs Go!–

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I wouldn’t discount Pat Lafontaine, Mike Bossy or Pierre Larouche, I used the most obvious names in Guy and Mario and Sid, but yours would work fine too. The first three went on to good-great NHL careers, so they have the name recognition. Not sure Mr. Déziel fits in that category.

        • B says:

          I added Deziel because he was one of the greatest players in the QMJHL of all time. Some might consider that as more important than what he did after he left the Q. I suspect that not every one agrees on how let alone who to choose. Hence my original point.

          –Go Habs Go!–

    • johnnylarue says:

      Yes, but the truth is those names just wouldn’t resonate much with the UFC crossover crowd that Bettman is pining for, would they!

      • slyCH says:

        Why not? Expand my jolly rotund friend. I’m actually perplexed.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Cause lots of fans have never heard some of them and they were really not at the same level of the others mentioned, imho.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • slyCH says:

            I think the wires have been crossed, No one knows Lemieux, Crosby, Lafleur? You lost track of the thread or I lost track of reason.

            EDIT; by the way I’m off and sitting on my balcony in Key West with the sun baring down on me the last hour and a half. I might be delirious. (beers in me as well) So I mean no disrespect.

    • longbow says:

      Atlantic becomes “The Geographically Confused Division”
      Metropolitan = “Urban Sprawl Division”
      Central = “Middle of Nowhere Division”
      Pacific = “Earthquake Zone”

      ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

      • B says:

        Geographical division names seems sensible, but the make up of the new divisions does not seem so sensible.

        Perhaps they should scrap the divisions and just rank everyone in a single group with the overall top 16 making the playoffs. They could still skew the schedule to regional rivalries if they feel they need to.

        –Go Habs Go!–

    • Landof10000lakesHab says:

      If the goal is to attract new fans, it’s possible naming the divisions and even awards after people who non or limited interest fans do not know may not be the smartest move. Reference other pro sports (NFL,MLB) as example where generic division names work effectively.

  44. TheDagger says:

    Measuring stick game tonight!

  45. frontenac1 says:

    I’m totally hammered with some Scots in Glasgow watching Rugby. Keep me posted on the Habs game amigos. Slainte!

  46. habs11s says:

    What Nazem ‘The Dream’ Kadri thinks about ‘The Nudges’ new contract… stay classy Kadri

    https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/381095416093487104

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  47. Un Canadien errant says:

    Here’s a repost, something which may be useful to new or current posters (I’ll be posting this semi-regularly as a public service to the Commentariat):

    Okay folks, when I first joined HIO around this time two years ago, yearning to nerd out on the draft with fellow Canadiens nerds, I was put through my paces and forced to go through an indoctrination. One part of this was learning where to find information to back up my cockamamie hypotheses. To perform this research, I was pointed to various sources. In a way, HIO veterans told me, in no uncertain terms, where to go.

    So now I will give back. If you’re wondering how many years a player’s contract runs, you need not. Guessing at a player’s age? Unnecessary. Building a roster with line combinations, but stumped by whether a player is a RW or LW, and it’s preventing you from sharing your wisdom with the masses? Be ungratified no longer.

    Here are some websites that everyone should bookmark and refer to before getting into a waste-flinging match in our ape-arium. (I won’t be able to make them ‘link-y’, since HIO allows a maximum of three per post before they’re filtered out as SPAM.

    1) hockeydb.com

    This is the first source as to a player’s career, from junior to Europe to minor leagues to NHL. Draft position is listed for every player, you can always click on their draft year and pat yourself on the back that you’re a Canadiens fan, or more likely, rue what might have been. Better than Wikipedia in that every year’s draft picks are listed with games played, so it’s easy to pick out the winners from the busts in years past.

    2) http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=2

    If you don’t often refer to Capgeek, you should. I gave you the Canadiens’ page, but you can search other teams, and individual players. You can find UFA’s coming up this July, by position. Poke around in there, lots of info, like no-trade-clauses, or teams’ cap spaces, AHL players’ salaries.

    3) habsprospects.com/index.html

    Incredible resource. A godsend. Wondering how many players we have, why people keep referring to this 50-contract limit? It’s on here. So is which players are waiver exempt. How many players are in the system. Another one to poke around in and get familiar. Most Habs roster and farm team questions are answered here.

    4) forecaster.faceoff.com/faceoff/hockey/depthchart.php?Mtl

    A similar resource, shows a few different things. I tend to refer to the depth chart page to keep the LW’s straight from the RW’s, but there’s lots of info there, moves, stats, again, spend some time to get familiar.

    5) http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/roster/_/name/mtl/montreal-canadiens

    ESPN does a pretty good job of providing lots of info in one place. I usually land on the roster page to ascertain whether a player is leftie or rightie, but from there you can research similar roster or stats info for all other teams, great for coming up with crackpot schemes and wacky trade scenarios.

    6) hockeysfuture.com/teams/montreal_canadiens

    Need a hug? Want reassurance that the future is bright? All of our prospects are listed here, with lots of info and some writeups and scouting reports. Note that the draft experts on HIO caution that their info is somewhat unreliable, as when they asserted that Blake Geoffrion was a good skater, for example. Still, it’s a good start, and a decent source. They grade the prospects as to their talent and potential, as well as their likelihood of ever reaching that potential. Great debate starter.

    Need a dose of reality? Look at any other team’s system, and learn that they are just as chock full of promising players and great kids. Their future is bright too. All of them. Except the Canucks.

    Don’t want to be depressed? Don’t search for reports from the farm from 2000 or thereabouts, in which they speak glowingly of Eric Chouinard and how the Canadiens finally got the big centre they’ve been needing, and how the team’s future is assured with all these great prospects lined up.

    7) habswatch.com/p/trade-history.html#.UbogS_kw_9A

    Every single trade the Canadiens ever made, or a resource that comes close to listing them all anyway. The Rod Langway-Chris Chelios-John Leclair-Eric Desjardins-Patrick Roy mausoleum.

    8) hockey-reference.com/teams/MTL/

    Every Canadiens team. Every season. Every player. Every stat. Everything.

    So there you have it. The world at your fingertips.

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    • secretdragonfly says:

      Post of the year right there!

    • Habcouver says:

      Thank you. The sites will be added to my Favourites. :)

      Waiting patiently for #25

    • slyCH says:

      How does one go about “book-marking”?

      Ahhh man sorry, I’m regressing again. ;-)

      • Habcouver says:

        If you are using Google Chrome,
        https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/95739?hl=en

        Good luck!

        Waiting patiently for #25

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Bookmarking was very important in the early days of the internet, because if you stumbled on a page or site you liked, you might never find it again, such was the abysmal quality of search engines back then (remember Lycos, Alta Vista, HotBot? And how none of them worked?)

        Nowadays with Google and easy-to-use histories, bookmarking is kind of redundant, sometimes when I mention it to a young person, they look at me blankly, not knowing what I’m talking about.

        When I joined HIO, I created two folders, one labeled “Hockey”, the other “Canadiens”, and since I do use Chrome, I star things I want to come back to and they end up in the appropriate folders. Since then I’ve created new folders, specifically for each season’s draft, one for “Analytics”, …

        • slyCH says:

          Excellent. Thanks to both of you. Very stoked to have in-depth views and guidance to the net. I’ve known about book-marking since the dawn of the internet but never have the time to learn. You guys gave me a big jump to do so. HIO IS more then hockey. THX again folks.

    • Chris says:

      As much as I like hockeydb.com, it is betting somewhat usurped now by Elite Prospects. They have a better breakdown of a player’s non-NHL career…the career totals functionality is much better than what they’re using over at hockeydb.

      Hockeydb is still pretty much the go-to site for past draft information. Another one that can be very useful is My NHL Draft. That is one of the only places where you can get a rough look at player’s heights and weights in their draft year. Most sites update it every year, and you can only access the most recent number. They only have information for most players dating back to ~2006, but that is still better than most. Finding the CSS data is possible for some years, but there are gaps here and there.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Good info, thanks for that Chris.

        My qualm with Elite Prospects is that especially for European prospects, there are twelve lines of stats for each year the player played, even if it’s one game in the U-16 tournament, that gets its own line, along with any games the kid played in the club’s junior team, the Allsevenskan, the SEL/SHL, … My eyes glaze over. Granted, I don’t do the stats work/data mining that you and a few other posters do, that may be what you find valuable and I find is just clutter.

        I’ll bookmark My NHL Draft, for sure, I used them a lot before the draft for their mocks. Not a great display though, I find hockeydb useful when scanning a year’s draft in that you can highlight the Canadiens (click on the team once, don’t click on any other teams, and the Canadiens will always stand out in the list) and also the players who had any kind of career, since it lists the games played. So if you’re scrolling through the sixth or eighth round, you can stop at the Datsyuks and the Markovs, they really stand out with their hundreds of games played compared to all the zeros.

        I also noticed that the height and weight info doesn’t go all the way back, I looked at the ’98 draft, the Lecavalier-Tanguay-Gagné-Brad Richards draft, in which we came away with Éric Chouinard and Mike Ribeiro. Sigh… Anyway, there was no size info listed.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Bah! Why let numbers get in the way of a sports fan’s righteous indignation!! ;)

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Good stuff

      Another site is
      http://www.leftwinglock.com/

      In the tools section, it will show the different lines a team has used, how teams match their lines against other teams, along with line production.

      nhl.com is terrific in the stats dept and game summary

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      February 25, 2007 – Craig Rivet and a 5th round pick #146 (Julien Demers) in 2008 traded to San Jose Sharks for Josh Gorges and a 1st round pick #22 (Max Pacioretty) in 2007

      Damn – let’s remember some good trades instead of always bitching about the Gomez/McDonagh fiasco.
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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It’s hard for me, I’ve been bitter since Rod Langway. I knew that one was a disaster when it was first announced. I still gag when people refer to Rick Green as an example of a good defenceman we had, he was tainted by the loss of Brian Engblom and Rod Langway.

        But then what did I know. I’d done a jig when I learned we got Pierre Larouche for Pete Mahovlich and Peter Lee (the all-Peter trade), thought we’d robbed the Penguins. Since then, we’ve been looking for our ‘gros joueur de centre’, even when we had Doug Wickenheiser, Bobby Smith, and Pierre Turgeon.

  48. Psycho29 says:

    “Toronto Maple Leafs goalie Jonathan Bernier missed Friday’s practice with knee irritation, which according to coach Randy Carlyle was caused by his new pads.”

    The Loafs are brittle I tell you! Constantly injured! Management should be held accountable for these awful off season moves and fired! THE WHOLE LOT OF ‘EM !!!!!

    ;-)

  49. Mavid says:

    According to the Sens fans the only pre season games that are meaningless are the ones you lose..I think this would work for us as well..

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  50. B says:

    I was looking at last season’s AHL attendance, and Hamilton ranked 17th out of 30 teams with an average of only 5,342 showing up for their home games. That seems disappointing to me for a team that is supposedly firmly in hockey country. Are the tickets too expensive? Too many folks in the area who hate the Habs? Not much demand for anything other than NHL around there? Bad neighbourhood? Why don’t they get more people coming to home games?

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Eddie says:

      Maybe some people like to watch a team that can score goals and win? Last year the Dogs could not do either.

      • B says:

        Are you suggesting that most folks around there are more interested in supporting a winning hockey team rather than just being hockey fans in general?

        I went back to check on 9/10 and 10/11 when they were a first place team. In 9/10 they were 15th out of 30 averaging 4,374 per game. In 10/11 they were 21st out of 30 averaging 4,257 per game Back in 06/07 when they won the Calder Cup, they were 14th out of 30 averaging 4,888 per game.

        –Go Habs Go!–

  51. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS: YOUR HIO FAVES!

    For you, who is the….
    1. Funniest Poster
    2. Most Insightful Poster
    3. Nicest Poster
    4. Best Avatar
    5. …Honorable Mention (who comes to mind and why?)

    PS: I resisted putting “Best Dog Poster”. Should I put “Most Fair Poster” instead? :)

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  52. habs12 says:

    Looking forward to seeing how the defence plays tonight besides the first pairing of Gorges-Subban. Really get a good look at 4 young prospects.

  53. Bogie Man says:

    I think keeping and playing some of the prospects such as MacCarron tells me that they are showcasing some of their talent to other teams. I still believe there is a trade coming before Oct 1st to resolve the depth issue that MB speaks of particularily up front. I would go as far to say that there is depth issues in all positions right now as there appears to be questions surrounding the health of our defensive corp and wether or not Price can rebound. If Price does not rebound, who do we go to, Budaj? Budaj is a decent back up but no longer will be considered a go to guy any longer. I like Tokarsky, I hope he gets a fair look. Not saying that he can replace Price but perhaps a real good chance in replacing Budaj.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I understand you post and don’t completely disagree but wouldn’t it make more sense to make a trade closer to the deadline when teams may be more desperate to make a deal?

      I’ve heard positive things about Tokarsky as well but admit I’ve not seen him play. You may be dead on that he’s marked as a replacement for Budaj at some point.

      • Bogie Man says:

        If MB waits till trade deadline, my gut feeling is that this maybe too late to make a run at the playoffs. I suspect with the current line up by trade deadline we are going to be too far back. The holes need filling now, in my opinion.

  54. jackbutt says:

    Can’t wait to see this kid in London!

  55. JO says:

    Congratulations to the Captain of the Montreal Canadiens Brian Gionta being awarded the Jean Beliveau trophy for his charitable endeavors and community involvement in the City of Montreal. Keep up the great work BRIAN.

  56. Luke says:

    Sometimes I skip the actual article and links and go right to the comments.

    I’m not sure if that is a criticism of the Gazette or a compliment of the Commetariat.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      LOL I do the same Luke!
      As much as some of the posters drive me nuts, I love reading when many of them have to say, then realize I should probably read the actual article as well!

      Can’t wait for October 26th. I hope to have some good chats with some of you!

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Me as well but I try to at least skim the articles first. Once I actually posted a link to an article who appeared in the thread. Doh! A Jimism for sure.

        Luke, disappointed to hear you won’t be at the Summit. Habsrule1, we’ll see you in a month. CHeers.

    • Cal says:

      I have a feeling we’re driving this bus, but Dave, Stu and company apply some much-needed brakes now and again.

    • SmartDog says:

      I do that too. I skim the first couple of lines of the article… usually I skip the rest. Unless it’s an interesting interview.

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    • Sportfan says:

      Luke I do the same as well, I don’t look at it as ignoring the articles, I see it as a Habs community wanting to talk about hockey and other things. Which a lot of us enjoy doing, the Gazette has done a good job with this site and should be very happy with all the people who use it.

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
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    • HabinBurlington says:

      FOr the longest time I did the opposite, then started to enjoy the comments, then eventually I actually joined into the conversation. And I also find myself skipping many of the articles and just get right into the conversation.

      I don’t think it is a criticism and indeed more of a compliment. However, some days, it is very easy to skip most of the comments also. ;-)

    • slyCH says:

      Funny, I’m the same way. Browse the links and if nothing seems to grab my attention I go straight to the commentariat. Then I go back to read on slower times.

      • slyCH says:

        Another thing I really enjoy from this “family” are the links supplied by posters of Hab related articles from sites I’m sure the gazette are probably legally unable to link. Since I have a tendency to be lazy surfing the net I know I can always count on a poster doing the dirty work for me.

    • Timo says:

      The only articles I read are those by Stubbs about how good guys like Gomez, Gionta, Markov and Co. are. Those are my favorite.

    • The last time I read the article first, I missed out on being number one. Now I go to the comments first, then read the article.

      BTW, Both have their merits. ;)

      DDonais

    • twilighthours says:

      Articles get posted here?

  57. krob1000 says:

    Anyone watching the pga leaderboard? after Tiger looking all but out of it and being in 2nd last place he has gone -5 thru 13 holes and is now into 8th place with a par 5 left. He needs to outplay both Scott and Stenson and started 9 shots behind them….is now 4 and 3 behind them…they haven’t started but so far he is the low round….hope he makes it interesting.
    sPOKE TOO SOON…DOUBLE BOGEY

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Looks like you really jinxed him! Immediately after your comment, he got a double bogey, but came back with a par at least.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Jinx him again please!!!! Would really like to see Delaet somehow pull this off.

      CHeers Krob!

  58. commandant says:

    The QMJHL West Division has another Habs prospect profile in Martin Reway
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/09/20/2013-qmjhl-preview-west-division/

    The Canucks Preview
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/09/20/vancouver-canucks-trying-to-keep-the-window-open-in-2013-14/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
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  59. Trollhunter says:

    The reasons why McCarron hasn`t been sent down:

    1- Invaluable experience (even if its pre-season games) it gives the kid a chance to practice and compete at a higher level before being sent down.
    2- It gives management a chance to get a better look at the kid so Lapointe and co can assess what needs to be worked on moving forward.

    Everyone here knows he`s a long term project. I think its a great idea they are keeping him for 1 more game :)

    • PeterD says:

      3- the extra time in camp give him time to experience how the veterans prepare for practice and games…good for him to see how pros approach their games…big steep learning curve for an 18 yr old kid. This may be the most important intangible he takes away from camp this year.

  60. Whatever says:

    Facing Komisarek and Hainsey. Remember how high we were on them? In a few years, hopefully we aren’t replacing their names with Tinordi and Beaulieu. Just sayin’.

  61. Bill says:

    @Maksimir: Actually McCarron has surprised me with his play so far. Much better skating, passing, and hands than I was expecting.

    Then again, my expectations were probably lowered by the flood of criticism here about him being picked at 25. I didn’t mean to pay attention to that, but … I guess the negativity seeps in somehow. We’re soaking in it.

    Obviously it’s 99% likely he’s in London on Sunday, but i bet he’s opened some eyes.

  62. Mattyleg says:

    First!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  63. I get that they’re still looking to see what the youngsters can do and this game will give them an opportunity to inform them of what areas they need to improve on.

    But I really, really, really want the roster from next game on to be as close as possible to the real deal, so the boys aren’t still trying to find their ‘chemistry’ in the first few games of the season. The last few games better be ‘gelling’ time.

    DDonais

  64. Stevie.Ray says:

    Lines look really good. Collberg in a position to succeed with some vets. Galchenyuk gets a chance at centre, but has Prust there to watch out for him. The third line is a little weird. Why is Bournival moved from center to wing, and Holland moved from wing to center?
    And we got some potential 4th liners learning their game on the 4th line.

  65. shiram says:

    Habs face two of their own first round pick in Komisarek and Hainsey.

  66. Luke says:

    Mayer cleared waivers.

    I didn’t even know he was placed on waivers.

    I feel deceived. I’m hurt and upset. But mostly, I’m disappointed.

  67. Maksimir says:

    I’m a little surprised McCarron didn’t get sent down already… he is young and needs a lot of development. He’s not making the team this and probably not next.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I think it was mainly just to give management a little bit more time to see where he needs to improve.

    • jrshabs1 says:

      McCarron might be young but he was also one the best players on the ice during his 1 and only game.

      Go Habs Go!!

      • Luke says:

        I don’t think i’d go so far as to say “one of the Best” unless you are including him in a list of the “Best 36 players that played in game 1″.

        He’s definitely on that list. ;)

        He played a pretty decent game, was a much stronger skater than I expected (despite his falling a lot) and didn’t look horrible. But you could see he was a step behind the NHLers (But they’re NHLers, so that’s expected) and the top end youngsters like Girgensons, Grigs and Bournival.

        So yah, he was good, and looks promising and I hope he plays a great game tonight… but he’ll be in London before Monday.

        • bwoar says:

          Grigorenko? I thought he dressed solely for the shootout.

          “thoroughbred”

          • Luke says:

            Haha

            Yah he certainly stood out during it!

            I thought he played a decent, though not spectacular game.

            It’ll take some time, but he should end up a solid offensive player. I’m not sure if Buffalo can send him to the AHL this year, but that’s where he should start.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      The organization wants to have a good look at him (first hand) so they know exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are and what he will need to work on over the next couple years if he is to make it to the NHL.

    • Odds are if he isn’t staying is that they (org) already told him his plan for the next two weeks.

      I hope they keep him for a little longer to give him the taste for the big league.

      Things like that drive a kid to work harder.

      Well it’s supposed to……some just go in the corner and cry :)

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    • Timo says:

      Maybe it’s just to teach Louis a lesson.

  68. bwoar says:

    Last chance to be first?

    “thoroughbred”

  69. HabinBurlington says:

    It will be interesting to watch him develop, there certainly were a great deal of posters clamouring for MB’s/Timmins head after drafting the kid.

  70. Habfan10912 says:

    Wow! That would be something Florida especially given the groans we heard when he was chosen. He certainly looks like his future is bright , huh?

  71. LizardKing12 says:

    That’s because a lot of fans are never satisfied no matter what management does. Big, tough top 6 wingers that can put up a decent amount of points are not only a rare commodity but can be very difficult to trade and quite expensive to sign (e.g. Clarkson). If you want to have a player of that nature in your top 6 the best way to do it is through the draft. Can you imagine how many people would’ve lost their minds if we passed over this kid and in a few years he’s terrorizing the NHL for another team?

  72. slyCH says:

    Great CD, I love FIREBALL is my second favorite from the DEEP, have a good night dude.

  73. Timo says:

    THAT is a great choice of music!

    Did you go see them live couple of years back when they were touring Canada? Loved their show! Played many great classics and imho Ian Gillan is a lot better in his 60s than in his 20s.

  74. Alvin says:

    Shawarma (Arabic: شاورما‎) is a Levantine Arab[1][2] meat preparation, where lamb, chicken, turkey, beef, veal, or mixed meats are placed on a spit (commonly a vertical spit in restaurants), and may be grilled for as long as a day. Shavings are cut off the block of meat for serving, and the remainder of the block of meat is kept heated on the rotating spit. Although it can be served in shavings on a plate (generally with accompaniments), shawarma also refers to a sandwich or wrap made with shawarma meat. Shawarma is eaten with tabbouleh, fattoush, taboon bread, tomato, and cucumber. Toppings include tahini, hummus, pickled turnips and amba. It is now a fast-food staple worldwide.[citation needed]

  75. slyCH says:

    I know perfect strangers, was backstage for that tour at the Worcester centrum when I lived in Massachusetts. It’s “OK”

    New album? When did that come out? Who’s in the line-up? If Blackmore and Gillan are not in it together then it’s not DP. Not to mention the fact I’m pretty sure Jon Lord passed away, probably the most distinctive keyboard player that solidified a bands signature.

    Ian Paice is my second favorite drummer after, you guessed it, John Bonham. Technically sound he is.

  76. slyCH says:

    Egad Timo!
    I was not too kind to you the day I “came back” to HIO
    (In my defense I was pretty lit that day)
    But with my tongue tied I have to say, all these years reading you, I envisioned you as a house music guy. I’m proven wrong. Yet again.

    I apologize for being completely out of line with you.

  77. slyCH says:

    1) John Bonham
    2) Ian Paice
    3) L7 chick drummer (don’t remember name but she was awesome)
    4) Dave Grohl when drumming for Nirvana. This guy has chops!
    5) Nick Mason…Pink Floyd. GENIUS.

  78. 25insight says:

    I noticed that. the sites buggy

  79. Hobie Hansen says:

    There was chatter about it on RDS prior to the game.

  80. Danno says:

    Marc Denis on RDS was going on about it before the game.

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  81. Danno says:

    You beat me.

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  82. Mavid says:

    LOL

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  83. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    It’s not as rare as it was, and he has never played very smart. White can look like a dog chasing cars some nights, and all minor role players can be replaced.

  84. Hobie Hansen says:

    What other defencemen have a accurate cannon like Subban from the point in the league?

  85. Hobie Hansen says:

    My French is getting better every year!

  86. crabvader says:

    Coaches are probably going to want to see some good defensive play at this point. I’m with you on the pedal to the metal part though.

  87. crabvader says:

    Like I said before, Semin is in your face.

  88. Storman says:

    ask Darren Puppa

  89. crabvader says:

    I hope Subban doesn’t receive a mouthful from him over that…

  90. Mattyleg says:

    This is exactly what I mean.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  91. crabvader says:

    Matty… live and let live for Pete’s sake…


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