Laraque throws helmet into federal political ring; carves Parros


Georges Laraque with Green Party head Elizabeth May during a Calgary street-hockey game in April 2011.
Colleen De Neve, Calgary Herald

Former NHL heavyweight Georges Laraque will today announce that he’s running for the Green Party in Montreal’s Bourassa riding byelection.

And in La Presse today, Laraque pretty well dismissed new Canadiens enforcer George Parros as a guy who will strike fear in the hearts of no one. (story is in French)

Laraque, who played 161 of his 695 NHL games with the Canadiens, will contest the Bourassa riding opened up by the departure of Denis Coderre, who this November will run for mayor of Montreal.

Use this space as your platform to comment on anything hockey-wise as we await this afternoon’s announcement of the 2013 inductees in the Hockey Hall of Fame.


  1. New says:

    One truism in life: If you don’t know what to say just think “What would Georges Laraque say?” and don’t say that.

  2. habs-fan-84 says:

    For the record I like the Parros signing.

    He’s character guy too! I actually mean that lol, you get the sense he’s very well liked by his former teammates and in his interviews comes across as smarter than the average bear. He’ll fit in with this group. Movember should be fun too.

    MB is building something. Be patient.

  3. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    “Use this space as your platform to comment on anything hockey-wise…”

    Like we need an invitation..,

    I still love that the story about the addition of Parros was accompanied with a photo of Parros laying a beating on Orr. (That guy doesn’t deserve the name “Orr”, if you ask me…)

  4. jrshabs1 says:

    BGL slags the Habs next legit heavyweight …rare! I just watched all of Parros’s nine fights from last year. In my opinion he only really lost 2 fights, one to John Erskine and one to John Scott. Parros went on to win the next fight against Scott, plus, he has fights with Orr and Kassian. He’s not afraid to fight all the big boys, Parros is going to make a huge difference this year.

    Go Habs Go!!

  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    Parros will take the load off Prust.

    Now we need someone to take the load off Parros.

  6. H.Upmann says:

    pretty rich coming form BGL since the Habs paid him millions to do what? and was still paid after they released him… bitter much?

  7. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Hansolo, Let`s agree to disagree then. It seems you will have to see the George effect happen before you can appreciate it. I`ll be waiting to welcome you with open arms!

    24 cups and counting….

  8. JUST ME says:

    What ? I read that we need ANOTHER enforcer ? Everytime we do so, we need to remove someone and although having someone a notch tougher than Prust was necessary we have to understand that to allow this we must sacrifice ice time and quality ice time. Parros will fight maybe but his main job is to make sure that there are no abuses and that our players can play.

    As far as Big George Laracque is concerned he reminds me of ¨of mice and men ¨ believes what he says,not an ounce of mean in him but so shallow and innocent in every sense…

  9. hansolo says:

    I agree with Chris. I’m sorry, but I don’t see what protection Parros will bring to our skilled players.

    Let’s take the Colton Orr-Rene Bourque joust as an example. Orr trips Bourque, who seeks retribution; Orr obliges him and Bourque is concussed.

    I don’t remember if a penalty had been called. I can sympathize with how Bourque must have felt in the heat of the moment. But the facts are:

    a) Bourque sought out Orr for a fight, not vice-versa.

    b) Bourque was on the ice with his linemates, Pleks and Gio. Had Parros been a Hab, and assuming he had been dressed for the game, he would have been on the bench, powerless to prevent Bourque from having his lights punched out.

    c) All Parros could have done would have been maybe invite Orr to joust later in the game. Orr may have accepted but he would have had every right to decline because he didn’t engage Bourque, Bourque engaged him. Two heavyweights going at it is the raison d’etre for both Orr and Parros being in the NHL, so such an invitation wouldn’t have any deterrent value.

    d) Parros couldn’t have run Kessel or Grabovski (assuming he could catch them first) because that’s not what heavyweights do. That task is reserved for rats like Marchand and Lapierre. Conversely, I don’t think Orr’s trip on Bourque was intentional.

    Bourque could have avoided getting concussed by not engaging Orr. Even if Bourque had won, the net benefit still goes to Toronto — a meathead takes a skilled player with him to the box for the same time period.

    So, I fail to see what deterrent value Parros brings in the current NHL culture. I actually think someone who’s a little crazy, like Lapierre, has value on a team, because the threat of injury to the opponents’ skilled players is much greater with him than with a goon, whose job is mainly to conduct staged fights with the other team’s goon.

    Can someone explain why, after Boogard, Rypien and Belak, are we still giving tacit approval to the culture of fighting? Is Parros so different? Why has our first round pick chosen to go to the OHL so he can learn how to fight? (That seems to have weighed heavily in his decision). Is that what first round picks do nowadays? I thought they were the skilled players, not the goons.

    • Curtis O Habs says:

      Borque did not seek a fight, or even have a chance to drop the gloves. Borque was looking to give Orr a shove and Orr popped him one. Does or sucker him if Parros is in the line up? Maybe not. Would Orr have to answer for it later? Absolutely. That is the difference.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      There’s a way to argue both sides of that issue. Yes, it’s doubtful that George Parros would have been on the ice to stand up or stand in for René Bourque. On the other hand, Colton Orr was running rampant that night. The incident in question wasn’t a trip on René Bourque, but rather an attempted knee-on-knee on Tomas Plekanec, who luckily evaded the brunt of the attack, and was uninjured. If an enforcer like George Parros had been in the lineup, there’s a good chance he and Mr. Orr would have met early, cancelled each other out, both gotten five each for fighting, and then have called it a night.

      When a goon or tough guy plays against the Canadiens, sometimes he gets agitated and has no one to rub up against, or to temper his enthusiasm, so he gets more and more provocative. I can remember Ryan Malone acting like this, and Wayne Simmonds, but then being quite subdued when a Brad Staubitz was there to greet them in a subsequent game.

      Like a lot of posters on here, I hate fighting, it debases the game and has a tonne of negative consequences for the sport, but since Don Cherry is running things, and Gary Bettman is busy selling ice to L.A., we have to go along and get an enforcer. It’s sad and stupid but true.

      • bwoar says:

        Yep. It’s regrettable but there’s just no turning the other cheek in this league.


      • johnnylarue says:

        File under: “Inconvenient Truths”.

        I just hope our top 3 lines don’t get worn out prematurely as a result of icing a 4th line that’s not quite good enough to actually play hockey.

    • bwoar says:

      You’ve set up a strawman that ignores reality.

      The point you are missing is that Rene Bourque shouldn’t be out there trying to redress Colton Orr’s wrongs. He shouldn’t feel like he has to. Which he does, or did, as one of the bigger guys on the team.

      It’s not that hard to understand. The NHL accepts pummeling as part of the game. You won’t change it. I won’t change it. All the angry protests in the world won’t change it. So it’s time to get with it instead of getting squished by it.

      I didn’t make the effing reffing this way, but I still have to watch since I am addicted to hockey. I’d rather not have to sit through our team getting whaled on year in and year out and skilled players like Bourque having to try their luck with goons like Colton Orr.

      You send Parros out the next shift to throw an elbow at Kessel, and then Orr steps up, they fight, and the NHL and all 17 American fans are excited for 29 seconds on ESPN later that night. I don’t like it for the sport, but you can either not watch, or learn to enjoy watching Team Rhianna taking on the Chris Browns of the league twice a week. That’s not how I want to spend my hard-won nights watching the CH.


      • hansolo says:

        @bwoar, @UCE

        Good points. I agree a raging bull (perhaps steroid-fueled?) needs a handler and that a skilled player shouldn’t have to be that handler. What I don’t get is how the BlackHawks and Wings manage to not carry a goon on their squads? Surely we should be looking to emulate them, and not , gasp!, the Laffs?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          If you look at the Blackhawks’ roster, they did have a couple of enforcers, they just didn’t play in the playoffs. Daniel Carcillo, in his own special category of thoughtless goonery, was injured.

          22 Jamal Mayers 38 6-1 222 R
          52 Brandon Bollig 26 6-3 223 L
          17 Sheldon Brookbank 32 6-1 202

    • Ozmodiar says:

      > Conversely, I don’t think Orr’s trip on Bourque was intentional.

      I think you need to take a closer look …considering Orr stuck out his knee …and considering it was Plekanec, not Bourque, who was the target.

      If he didn’t hear his bench yelling ‘look out’, he’d still be in rehab.

      Perhaps Orr would have been a bit more subdued if he fought someone like Parros earlier in the game. Of course, maybe not…. but why take the chance?

    • rhino514 says:

      Absolutely no evidence that Orr´s sucker punch concussed Bourque. Maybe it was one in a series of hits, but it doesn´t look like the main cause.

  10. The Dude says:

    The whole idea of the “code” was developed by Big George because he had a lot of heat on his ass from the league and the peoples who tried to make the possibility of smaller talented players have a better shot in the NHL ,BECAUSE THERE WAS -IS TOO MANY TEAMS and the talent pool for bigger athlete’s was -is depleted !”KHL didn’t help ” Now what Laroque just stated about the lack of Team toughness and fighting abilities ON THE HABS is an absolute FACT!
    The best part of all this is is the so called fans of NHL hockey whom gave Laroque a hard time with his “code” agenda ,while they tried too insert their ‘CODE’ on anti-fighting and turning NHL hockey into gentlemanly ,caring,soft ,lady’s sport like GOLF! It is my belief this hidden agenda was-is brought to you by SHORT PEOPLES … .

  11. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Bwoar.. Good thoughts. Maybe one reason UFAs won`t come hereÉ

    24 cups and counting….

    • bwoar says:

      Cheers, and I absolutely think that’s a factor in attracting guys. Who wants to be the next in line for a Boston Beatdown? Who wants the nightly embarrassment?


  12. JF says:

    I think Parros is nothing more than a stop-gap measure. The ideal would be to have guys who can take a regular shift but are tough and physical and can drop the gloves when necessary. Prust is the only player like that in our lineup. Hopefully Bergevin will correct this situation, but obviously he can’t do it all at once. Drafting McCarron is a step towards correcting it; in the unlikely event of Connor Crisp and Jeremy Grégoire ever making the NHL, they’ll also help. Meanwhile, we had to add more muscle and toughness somehow. Having George Parros is better than nothing; his presence may deter the other teams’ goons from taking runs at our players. But the addition of Parros does not contribute much to overall team toughness, which is what we should be aiming for.

    • Maritime Ron says:


      Also think of it this way.
      Our D was run at last year with no answer.
      Gorges-Markov-Diaz were targeted, and Subban figured out a way to avoid it……

      I remember 1 game against the Leafs when Mike Brown ran Gorges in a puck race and annihilated him…and there was no one there to defend Gorges – a true and valuable warrior contrary to some popular belief here.

      Parros will not allow that to happen and if it does, a player is going to have to deal with him. Not much fun in that big picture…

  13. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Well said Saranac Lake!

    24 cups and counting….

  14. bwoar says:


    You said something key to the use of enforcers here:

    “When the refs turn away from those calls”

    It is *then*, more than at any other time, when we need the big hombres to deal with the NHL’s DIY mentality to fair play. The refs turn a blind eye. Hockey becomes Smash-Up Derby. No, enforcers are not good prevention. But without a response – and the Habs have had sweet Fucale response – the opposition simply continues to take advantage over and over until guys get seriously hurt.

    It’s an ongoing black mark on the game at the pro level in general in my view. But we’ve failed to confront this since Gainey’s New Deal era and our players have suffered for it both in the W/L column and in the injury department. We have a deserved reputation as a milquetoast team in a reckless, brutish league.

    Rather than continue to wring our hands over this deplorable state of the pro game, we’d best get on with the business of rising to the occasion, finding still more protection for our players and in some cases sacrificing skill so we can survive *and thrive* when the refs *turn their backs* and “let ’em play the game” as it’s now become.


  15. adamkennelly says:

    who cares what Laraque thinks about anything. Parros is a massive upgrade on him – since he was completely useless when he was here – couldn’t skate.

    I agree he is not “intimidating” per say but few players are anymore…Tarnasky has much improved from what I’ve read – and appears to have the requisite not so niceness….hope we see it.

    Parros move Prust down on the depth chart – which helps everyone.

    BGL needs to STFU and go away.

    • Phil C says:

      I think Laraque will need to learn to not abuse his newly-found soapbox. Right or wrong, he has a public voice now, yet he talks about Parros like he is sitting in a bar with his buddies. Rookie politician error. I agree, he needs to STFU about stuff like this and talk about his politics.

  16. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    Don’t compare Boston to Montreal. Boston has fighters and tough Guys. Montreal only has 1 fighter in Parros and a tough guy in Prust that will fight even if he takes a lickin maybe PK could hold his own. The rest is a bunch of softies. Some with skill some without.

    • 44har48 says:

      I don’t think we are or should either, but we need to be tougher, period, to go anywhere in the playoffs when they call the games much differently than the soft regular season where skill guys are afforded time and space or the other team gets called for ticky tack penalties.

      And as The Jackal pointed out so well, the real reason for this is not to have him on the ice to protect everyone all the time, but to simply respond and let the other teams know there will be a response for bullying and some of that lack of respect shown towards us at times.

  17. Josh says:

    It will be hard for Parros to strike fear from the press box because that’s all he’s good for.

  18. The Jackal says:

    On the subject of having Parros and that stopping “beat downs.”

    Having a guy like Parros may not stop other players taking liberties with the rules, but what it does is deter some players from doing so and it also gives us something with which to respond when it happens. Before the trade, we had no response and while our guys were not hesitant to stand up for themselves, they often had to fight guys bigger than them and that hurt the team.

    Some are saying that the beatdowns were started by the Habs and that we should just have skated away. That is not truly correct. Sure, it is a bad idea for us to play the Bruins’ game, that is not our style. But sometimes skating away is not an option, as it shows the other team that they can run around running guys without answering for that. That is why sometimes our Habs had to respond, despite knowing they may not win the ensuing fight. Having Parros addresses this and shows teams that they can’t just run us with impunity, if they do so, their players will have to deal with Parros and company, not just Prust and a tepid Moen.

    So all in all, it is a good deal for us. Some compare it to BGL and how it was ineffective. That is a flawed comparison. BGL did not do what he was brought in to do. His “code” rendered him ineffective and to top it off he was battling a nagging back injury which probably made him more reluctant to fight. Parros is thus not on the same boat, he is a different player who does more than just take up space when not fighting, he is an effective 4th line guy who will drop the gloves without asking if a teammate is run, and that is what we need.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  19. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Agreed Timo…But we can`t do that in one fell swoop…at least in the meantime, we agree that George will help. I thought it was mostly obvious to all that team toughness is the way to go at the end of the day and we are clearly not there yet. That`s kind of why McCarron was selected so high in the draft, right. I was hoping the overall direction of these recent moves was seen to be supporting this line of thought. Maybe people just need to be a little more patient.

    24 cups and counting….

  20. Timo says:

    Did Shamahan sign with the Flames yet for whatever position they were courting him? Or is he still running the disciplinary office?

    • GrimJim says:

      Shanahan announced at the draft that he was withdrawing himself from consideration for the Flames front office. What, do you listen to Lite96 or something?

  21. showey47 says:

    according to twitter McCarron has chose to play for the London knights.

    • Forum Dog says:

      If he really wants to develop in the mould of a Milan Lucic, then London is probably the best spot for him. The CHL (especially the O and W) is much more physical and patterns itself on the pro game. The NCAA might be good for his skating and personal development, but judging by his interviews it doesn’t sound like academia is at the top of his list of priorities.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      He has not made an official decision yet

  22. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    I am not an advocate of fighting in hockey and I see the point that Chris is trying to make, just skate away when the goons come calling… Having said that with an inexpensive George Parros in our lineup at least we have the option of playing it whichever way we want. This discussion is a tempest in a teapot. We can`t be without a player like Parros in my opinion! Not the way teams in the East have decided to provision themselves. Most of us have been begging for a player like this and he has come over very cheaply to us. Also Prust has weighed in on this move and he is ecstatic about it. End of story!

    24 cups and counting….

    • Timo says:

      I am totally ok with Parros. His role is to take on other teams’ goons and if he manages to break another skilled players’ skull it’s only a bonus. However, Habs to be a truly overall tough team Habs needs one or two Lucic/Bickell kind of players IN ADDITION to Parros.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Good comment Timo. You’re on the ball today!

        • Ed says:

          the problem with this strategy is that once Parros fights Thornton, Lucic and Chara and Mcquaid are still out there.

          So Prust goes out there next and takes on Macquaid, so what?

          I thought it was so obvious these past 2 or 3 seasons.

          When the refs call the penalties against the Bruins, they end up in the box non-stop, and they usually lose.

          When the refs turn away from those calls, the Bruins get to play “their game”, and they usually win.

          If Max, Bourque, Moen, Prust, push back with hard forchecking, force the Bruins defence into rushing their plays, using the body, the Bruins can be beat quite easily – and then frankly, WHO CARES ABOUT THE FIGHTING??

          I get much more satisfaction from winning the game then I do from the fights.

          We beat the Bruins twice last season in Boston. That’s what I remember, not the fights.

          Fighting should be illegal in hockey, as it is in baseball, football, basketball, soccer, and every other major sport.

          • 44har48 says:

            Ed I don’t agree with that brand of hockey, but you make great points. And sometimes, even with the toughest of teams and players, the high road is the best road to take.

          • adamkennelly says:

            should be illegal – but its not..and it really is not about the actual fighting – its about intimidation and ability to dictate will on your opponent.

            anyone who has ever played a physical game – you know when you are outgunned – not a good feeling…and that’s how the Habs went into every game for the last 3 years.

    • habs1992 says:

      I really don’t think one player makes a difference, It has to be by the team toughness the whole team

      I support Carey Price
      “Habs Insider”

    • 44har48 says:

      Well, drum roll please, I like fighting in the NHL. I also think if there were more of it, and the players could police themselves more (get rid of instigator penalty), their wouldn’t be so many injuries. In the old days, the game was policed by the players. Something else not so popular, is that IMO, they should have better helmets and less equipment. When players had less equipment and there was no instigator penalty, it seems to me injuries were much less frequent.

      R E S P E C T for each other with less equip and more liberty to fight.

      I understand the players today are $%^&s by old time standards and actually speak up when they are hurt, but I still stand by my opinions.

  23. Timo says:

    Saw some clips of Tarnasky. He gets beat up more than he wins. Lucic manhandled him pretty good.

    That being said, I’d rather Tarnasky be a punching bag than Subban or Gorges (as much as I don;t like Gorges)

  24. Ozmodiar says:

    Regarding McCarron playing in the top 6…

    Does anyone really think Bergevin (or Lapointe) hasn’t been in contact with Hunter to determine how McCarron will be used?

    I’m sure there’s an understanding between the two. I’m not saying he’ll play on the top 2 lines, rather, the Habs already know where he fits into their line-up and are satisfied with the plan.

    • Ed says:

      yes, certainly the Habs have spoken to the Hunters. yes, the Hunters want to give him every chance to succeed. yes, the Habs were satisfied with the Hunters’ plan.

      however, hosting the Memorial Cup and winning it is the only priority. If McCarron is part of that winning “combination” great, if not, he will have to wait until next year and try again.

      the Hunters are running a business and this is a big season for them.

      • Chris says:

        Yep. The Hunters have traded their own nephews in past years if it made good business sense. If McCarron doesn’t get out of the gate quickly, they will go shopping for an established OHL veteran star player and park him on a lower line.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Yes, I agree the Hunters will still try to win. 🙂

  25. habs1992 says:

    Laraque calling out Parros. Laraque did the same thing he never just sucker puched someone or intimidate them, he always had all these dumb codes.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  26. krob1000 says:

    In 2012 NHl player polls had Lucic no 1, Chara 2, Thornton 3, mcgratan 4 and parros 5 as toughest guys in the league.

    • Chris says:

      In 2008, the NHL player poll had Laraque #1. 🙂

      • krob1000 says:

        IN fairness….Lucic, Chara and Thornton were all reluctant to fight him…I still remember him following Lucic around. I think that is the only time I have ever seen Lucic appear afriad…sure he wouldn;t fight him because it didn;t make sense…but he looked like he truly wanted no part of it and neither did Chara. Any one of those three would fight LAraque….but they all knew it could end very bad…more likely than a normal fight for those guys. I am with you for the most part on goons Chris….not arguing that part…

        • Chris says:

          No question that most of those guys wanted no part of Laraque. That was part of his problem…he was TOO much of a deterrent. He was so strong that people knew that he could actually hurt them.

          I laugh when people mock “the code”. These guys are bare-knuckle boxing. Without a code, there would be potential fatalities on the ice. It is easy to talk crap from the stands. But these guys are going out and getting punched in the face by guys that are just massive. Throw in the fact that you are fighting on ice and risk hitting your head if you are knocked out and there are more reasons not to fight than there are to fight.

          Fortunately, the days of fighting in the NHL are numbered. The concussion plague and all the new knowledge surrounding brain trauma will be the final nail in that coffin. The only question is whether the entire sport (and football, as well) go down with it.

          • The Dude says:

            The whole idea of the “code” was developed by Big George because he had a lot of heat on his ass from the league and the peoples who tried to make the possibility of smaller talented players have a better shot in the NHL ,BECAUSE THERE WAS -IS TOO MANY TEAMS and the talent pool for bigger athlete’s was -is depleted !”KHL didn’t help ” Now what Laroque just stated about the lack of Team toughness and fighting abilities ON THE HABS is an absolute FACT!
            The best part of all this is is the so called fans of NHL hockey whom gave Laroque a hard time with his “code” agenda ,while they tried too insert their ‘CODE’ on anti-fighting and turning NHL hockey into gentlemanly ,caring,soft ,lady’s sport like GOLF! It is my belief this hidden agenda was-is brought to you by SHORT PEOPLES … .

        • showey47 says:

          Julien isn’t stupid. I would be willing to bet he told lucic and chara not to fight bgl. Its an awful trade off for a 5 minute major,especially in chara’s case.

      • Brinkley says:

        I just don’t “get” that 2012 Poll.

        John Scott showed up for Buffalo last season – Lucic not only did not dare to run at Ryan Miller – he stayed away from throwing his weight around all together. Chara hid on the Bruins bench (would not go near Scott).

        I give Thornton credit – he fought Scott and missed a few games afterwards with a concussion from Scott’s punches.

        Lucic and Chara were obviously scared of Scott, yet NHL players rate both them ahead of Scott as NHL “tough guys”?

        I don’t get it.

        • neumann103 says:

          I expect that NHL players don’t rate John Scott as much of an NHL player.

          From the stats that I saw, he played an average of less than 5.5 minutes per game for Buffalo last year in his 34 appearances. Not sure how much of the other 14 games were due to his injury and how many were healthy scratchs to put an actual hockey player in the lineup.

          “Et le but!”

  27. krob1000 says:
    english version of laraque’s comments

  28. TomFoolery says:

    One wonders what would have happened if Parros was on the ice instead of R. Bourque when Toronto started “running around.” I suspect that Bourque wouldn’t have missed the last quarter of the season with a concussion courtesy Orr’s meaty fist. Similarly, I would hazard to guess that Prust and White would have been more durable for the playoffs (and more effective), without having to worry about throwing their ragged bodies into every punch and hit.

    • Timo says:

      Yes, if only Bergevin realized that BEFORE Habs got destroyed by a bunch of goons. Some foresight perhaps?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      So are you saying that Orr wouldn’t have punched Bourque if Parros was there? OMG do you know anything about hockey? What, would Parros have dove in front of Orr’s fist or something?

      Are you saying Orr would have been too scarred to punch Bourque if Parros was in the lineup?

      Fighting is so stupid and so are enforcers!

      I really wish Montreal would just allow themselves to get beat up without so much as a whimper and just get on with the game. Standing up for yourself has no barring on anything!


      • yakhab says:

        He didn’t have anyone to answer to LATER
        Might have thought twice with Parros there

      • TomFoolery says:

        I’m not sure if the emoticon indicates sarcasm. Unfortunately it’s hard to interpret sarcasm in text, so I will respond as literally as possible.

        No, I do not mean that G. Parros, a 6.5, 222lb human being with minimal lateral movement, would jump in front of Bourque, taking Orr’s fist squareto his own moustached face. Granted (as you have noted), my knowledge of hockey is limited compared to your own, Mr. Hansen. However, I am in no place to question the knowledge of Therrien and his coaching staff, and would have to assume that they would have played Parros towards the end of such a lopsided game, thus deterring, or at least deflecting the attention of that symian, Colton Orr. I am not sure if Orr would be scarred (though perhaps, physically if he was cut above the eye), nor would he be scared. He would, with his limited brain power, be motivated to exercise his dominance by trading blows with the other Alpha male.

        As for your comment that “fighting is so stupid and so are enforcers!” [sic], I would tend to agree. Unfortunately, we live in a period of hockey that mirrors their game plan after the military strategies of the Cold War, where arm races, and weapon buildups appear to be the only course of action. Obviously, this is as backward and silly as it was in the Cold War, but there really is no alternative when jowly thugs like Randy Carlyle and Claude Julien continue to play their goons.

  29. 44har48 says:

    LMAO…BGL, a very insignificant person in the grand scheme of my day, trying to get attention anyway he can now a days…so sad. Just look at yourself now BGL.

  30. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    I thought I’d weigh in on this goon conversation. If there is one poster on here who regrets having George Parros in our line-up when we face that Leaf duo of McLaren and Orr I’ll be very surprised. Honestly, the number of posts I’ve read on here that advocated for back up to help Prust and the need to add grit etc. and now many don’t like this inexpensive move? I believe some here do complain for the sake of complaining. George Parros is an honest attempt to have some push back in the line up. He’s also a good team mate and he stands up for teammates like Prust does. I agree not perfect but gritty skilled players aren’t exactly growing on trees these days. I like the intent of adding George at least. I think most of you will too when John Scott, Thornton, McGratton, Labrie, Bordeleau, etc come calling!

    24 cups and counting….

    • Chris says:

      I couldn’t care less about Parros or other goons.

      If you don’t dress goons, most teams take theirs out of the lineup as well because they are almost universally huge liabilities as hockey players. Parros is one of the biggest liabilities in the NHL when he isn’t fighting, as he does nothing else on the ice.

      Montreal started the shenanigans in the two beat-downs they suffered this season (Toronto, Ottawa). In the future, just skate away. That is what the best teams do. Teams that feel they need to prove something are usually the ones on the wrong side of the final score.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Parros does things other than fight unfortunately: he allows the other team to have more possession and more goal-scoring opportunities.

      • twilighthours says:

        Teams and players on the wrong side of losing score, particularly a big one, get frustrated. It’s an inevitability. We all will be glad to have parros in those situations.

        • Chris says:

          It depends…my suspicion is that Parros might be a contributor to getting us into those situations. He simply cannot play hockey anymore. I’m not sure he was ever particularly effective, but he certainly stinks now.

          If they were adding a guy like Thornton, Neil, or Lucic, i.e., a player who can play a regular shift and not embarass himself, I’d be okay with adding an enforcer. But I still see a lot of fights in the future for Prust, Tinordi and White, the guys who will actually be on the ice most of the time.

      • B says:

        Montreal threw the first punch in only 1 of the 5 “line brawl” fights against Ottawa in that playoff game, the 4th one (Tinordi vs Philips).

        Smith gives White a little cross check after the face-off, White then retaliates and gives Smith a two handed slash. Smith falls down then Cowan jumps White and starts punching him (fight 1). Next Kassian grabs Armstrong and then Neil grabs Armstrong too (from behind) Armstrong goes down and Kassian starts punching Armstrong while he’s down with Neil still holding him as well (fight 2). Moen pulls Neil off Armstrong and Neil starts punching Moen (fight 3). Meanwhile, Phillips grabs Tinordi and pulls him around a bit and then Tinordi starts punching (fight 4). Bouillon and Smith had also grabbed onto each other, they just held on to each other for a while until Smith punches Bouillon (fight 5).

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • Chris says:

          No White slash (and that was a suspendable, 2-handed chop), no fights. So White’s over-reaction started the line brawl. You can analyze who threw the first punch in each of those, but the two-handed slash precipitated the whole thing.

          If White was annoyed with Smith, he should have dropped the gloves and started fighting. A slash like that is ALWAYS going to cause everybody to come in.

          • B says:

            I have seen tons of two handed slashes that never resulted in line brawls or even a single fight for that matter. IMO, it seems disingenuous to blame that slash (nasty as it was) for causing or starting 5 fights.

            –Go Habs Go!–

          • Chris says:

            The context of the score, the players on the ice and the bad blood from the Eller hit were all mitigating circumstances. Throw in that slash and the match was lit.

            Will it always result in a line brawl? Probably not. But you’re always going to get everybody piling on and holding on to each other. The mitigating factors above were what turned it from a scrum into a brawl.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Parros only had 9 fights last year and his win % dropped to 47% from a career average of 54%. He really only loses by decision and narrowly. He has good reach and can switch hands quickly which makes him dangerous for a “sneaky one getting through” and also really tough to land one against. The only weakness I see is his balance which can be corrected. Saludos!

  31. Bill says:

    @Chris: the one thing that Parros will do is take the load off Prust. He was a middleweight fighting other teams’ goons last year. He won’t have to do that anymore. I am not supportive of the NHL’s rules on fighting, and I am not a fan of goons. But things being as they are, I do think Parros helps Prust, White, and Moen (if he starts playing physically again that is).

    • Max says:

      That’s correct.Prust and White will be actually allowed to focus more on hockey now while still providing grit and tangling ocassionally with other middleweights,

      Parros will be there to handle the heavyweights and take out the trash.He won’t play every game and he won’t win every fight and may not bring total fear in opposing players, but he’ll be a solid teammate and deal with pond scum like Orr,Mclaren,Thornoton et al.

    • Chris says:

      We’ll see. I heard every single one of these arguments before when Laraque was signed, almost word for word.

      Back then, it was Mike Komisarek, Steve Begin and Tom Kostopoulos that would be the massive beneficiaries of Georges Laraque’s presence. I predicted that Laraque’s presence would change nothing at that time, and hoped I would be wrong. Now I’ve got to do the same thing with Parros.

      • Max says:

        Laraque didn’t do the job he was brought here to do unfortunately.I think Parros has a different mindset and will actually do what he’s supposed to do.

        • Chris says:

          Laraque did exactly what he always did. Parros is the exact same type of player as Laraque, so you’re basically hoping that a 33 year old cheetah is going to change his spots and

          i) become a useful enough player that he can actually play every game and be on the ice when things go awry

          ii) somehow convince Milan Lucic to not turtle when you challenge him

          Good luck with that.

          • Max says:

            I doubt Parros will play every game but he will dress against The Leafs,Bruins and other assorted misfit teams. He will be a good deterrent,just wait and see.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree with you. Parros helps Prust physically. Prust as much tweeted his excitement day of the signing. On top of that Parros help Prust mentally. As Nilan etc said ‘fighting’ takes an unquualfiable toll on your psyche and when Prust had to be the ONLY guy ‘fighting’ on the team it took that toll.

      Prust was such an inspiration and motivator and useful player thathe was lauded as MVP for the 1st alf. That is teh Prust we will see with Parros being the bona-fide enforcer.

      I haven’t read BGL’s comment, nor heard them, but Parros doesnt have to strike fear into anyone… he just has to join the fray and and even things up somewhat. Just his height and size are upgrades when the going gets tough.

      Parros = healthy and happy Prust and Prust, with his introductory season under his belt, will help everybody else including a syou say White and Moen if they still want to contribue to the team. I am not sure Moen does though… dont know what happened there.. some say he’s miffed about losing 3rd line spot or something.

  32. Bill says:

    McCarron doesn’t need to play top six minutes this year. He’s probably got three years of junior before going to the AHL.

    • Chris says:

      He’s got two years, unless the Habs choose to leave him in the OHL as an overage player. That would be a very bad sign for his development.

      He needs top minutes if he’s going to develop into a quality NHL player. The Lucic example that people keep using is relevant: Lucic was used as a top line forward in the year after he was drafted, and he responded with excellent hockey.

      As it stands now, the Knights have not loaded up at right wing so McCarron stands a chance of getting some playing time. But that team is the deepest team in the country in terms of offensive players, and they will likely add more.

      • B says:

        In Lucic’s first WHL season, he was 14th on the Giants in scoring and not a top line player for them. The Giants won the WHL that season and went to the Memorial Cup.

        It was in his 2nd WHL season that Lucic became a top line player for the Giants (who again went to the Memorial Cup – winning it that time as the host team).

        Not being a top line player on a strong CHL team during his rookie junior season didn’t seem to hurt Lucic’s development any.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • Chris says:

          When Lucic was 18, he was the top line player on a strong CHL team. McCarron is 18 this season and hoping to get minutes with London.

          This is comparing apples to apples. I wouldn’t compare a 19 year old in his first OHL season to a 15 year old in his first OHL season because they are at different stages of their development.

          18 vs. 17 is less of a difference, obviously. But at 18, McCarron has two years left before he has to go play against professionals. He’s got a lot of work to do if he’s ever going to develop into a top-9 NHL forward, and he needs to play in the right roles to realize that potential.

          Maybe it works out fine. But Milan Lucic was actually an exception to the rule, yet people are using him as the prototype. How many other guys with Milan Lucic’s career arc can you name? I spend most of my winters in OHL arenas and I can’t think of many guys like Milan Lucic. He is a Grade A idiot, but he’s also a pretty unique hockey player.

    • doc359 says:

      While I totally agree, I don’t think its inconceivable that he ends up playing on one of the Top 2 lines. Looking at hockey db’s roster of the knights, I don’t see many good right wingers. Of course, I tend to trust the Hunter’s development plan for prospects, since they seem to have a much better track record than I do 😉

    • Timo says:

      Holy, talk about slowly developing your prospects. At that rate hopefully he will be in the NHL before Punkster celebrates his 80th birthday.

    • Haborama says:

      He’s 18, he can only do two years

  33. Un Canadien errant says:

    Some questionable posts about Roberto Luongo and the Canucks on the last thread, stating that he was treated like garbage by the fans, the media, and the organization. I’d have to dispute that.

    Roberto Luongo was acquired in a great trade, and Vancouver thought it had its next great goalie, after Richard Brodeur and Kirk MacLean, a goaltender who would make everyone forget Dan Cloutier, the Achilles’ heel to the great teams of Markus Naslund and Todd Bertuzzi.

    Except Roberto never really ‘settled’ here. His wife is a Florida native, and never took to Vancouver, ultimately deciding to stay in Florida during hockey seasons, with the rumours pointing to the weather, or the proximity of her family as the main reasons.

    So when Roberto was approaching free agency, the Canucks made him an offer he couldn’t refuse. Sure, he could have waited out until his UFA summer and cashed in then, but he chose security with the Canucks instead, negating the risk of an injury, etc.

    In the same vein, the Canucks could have had a real talk with Roberto, and figured out he’d be happier back in Florida or nearby, and worked out a trade to make the best of a bad situation, but instead trained a fire hose of money at him, much like the shlubby guy going out with a girl way too hot for him would buy a big house and propose with a honking big ring to seal the deal and keep her in the fold.

    So now we have two parties who are not really happy married by circumstances. It could still have worked if Roberto had performed at the same level he did in Florida, or even the first couple of early years in Vancouver. Unfortunately, he had a couple of playoff collapses, against the Bruins notably, and the Blackhawks. I still remember him doing the splits as he went post to post but, oddly, would also pitch forward while doing so and land on his stomach, leaving the top 2/3 of the net wide open. It was eerie, no other goalie had done that before, and I’ve never seen it since, but Roberto would do it regularly. Eventually, Corey Schneider was given a real shot and did well.

    Roberto saw the handwriting on the wall, and he demanded a trade, but oddly, still invoked his No Trade Clause, so that the Canucks were handcuffed at first to trying to trade him to a small handful of teams. As both parties grew more desperate, word is that he increased the number of teams he’d allow to be traded to, but that didn’t keep pace with the steadily worsening conditions for his trade (cap hit, declining performance, advancing age, lockout, decreased salary cap,…).

    So the organization has treated Roberto with fairness, signing him to a fabulous long-term deal, begging him to love Vancouver and stay forever. They’ve tried to treat him decently and never ‘Bobby Clarked’ him, castigating him for his trade demands and diva behaviour. They’ve tried to honour his trade request, but they painted themselves in a corner and couldn’t get the deal done.

    The fans have been very supportive of Roberto, as anyone who’s watched Canucks game would know. Whenever he’d make a big save, the whole arena would chant: “Luuuuuuuu…”, it was kind of neat.

    As far as the media, there’s been some criticism of Roberto, but nothing that the Sedin brothers or Markus Naslund or Trevor Linden or Mark Messier or Pavel Bure didn’t see when they were relied on to lead the team and wouldn’t quite live up to expectations.

    So again, Roberto Luongo was not treated like garbage in Vancouver, but rather like royalty or a favourite son, and everyone tried to make it work, but ultimately it didn’t. And now they have to live with each other anyway.

    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

  34. Bill says:

    Several defencemen on that list could help the Habs a lot and not cause cap problems.

  35. Sam Boni says:

    In the last couple of years, two D-men, Chris Campoli, and Francis Bouillon were signed quite a bit later in the summer. There are probably a bunch of unannounced standing offers, but unlike Komisarek, and Brennan, a bunch of the UFAs are probably waiting for better offers.

  36. durocher says:

    BGL wasn’t relevant on fighting in Montreal when he played, there’s no reason to give any credit to what he’s said about fighting in Montreal now.

    If anything, it shows he is sore about the role that Parros will play and that Prust has played, that he completely failed to play while here.

    Stick to politics, BGL.

  37. commandant says:

    Max on Red Wings moves.

    Go Habs Go!
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  38. commandant says:

    For those saying McCarron should do one year of College and one year OHL… while that is possible, we must remember that there is no guarantee his OHL year would be in London with the development program the Hunters have in place.

    London is hosting the Mem Cup THIS YEAR, and so they are all in to win it now after going to the tournament and losing 2 years in a row. If McCarron is on the team he’s part of that. If he’s at WMU, he’s a trade chip at the trade deadline for a player who will go to London and make an impact this year.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • krob1000 says:

      Agree…he is going to play some very good hockey with some great guys to lead him, he is going to play the best teams in junior hockey and get invaluable experience.

  39. Phil C says:

    Anyone else surprised by how slow the FA market is moving? There are still some decent players left to be signed. What gives?

    Jagr, Jaromir
    Boyes, Brad
    Prospal, Vinny
    Brunner, Damien
    Morrow, Brenden
    Selanne, Teemu
    Raymond, Mason
    Antropov, Nik
    Sullivan, Steve
    Grabovski, M.
    Cleary, Danny
    Penner, Dustin
    Latendresse, G.

    Hainsey, Ron
    Kostka, Mike
    Kuba, Filip
    Zidlicky, Marek
    White, Ian
    Lydman, Toni
    Zanon, Greg
    Gilbert, Tom
    Fistric, Mark
    Colaiacovo, Carlo
    O’Byrne, Ryan
    Whitney, Ryan
    Eaton, Mark
    Peckham, Theo
    Murray, Douglas

    • Sportfan says:

      Wonder why teams aren’t doing anything

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      • Ozmodiar says:

        Maybe they’re waiting to see the outcomes of some salary arbitration cases …

        These guys look like “Plan B’s” to me, for the most part.

    • Sam Boni says:

      I’d love to buy a Porsche Cayenne but my team has cap-issues.

    • Fransaskois says:

      There are also TONNES of RFAs left to be signed. I’m thinking most GMs are looking for trade options and cap relief before they commit too much to these players. The cap did just go down by several million.

      I’d take Fistric or O’Byrne from what’s left. We could really use some defensive depth at the moment, even if they are unspectacular. MAYBE Morrow and/or Brunner if we can move current players out of our top-9 (Plekanec, Desharnais).

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Hi Phil

      What gives?

      A reduced Cap-several teams still needing to sign key RFAs, and a wait and see mode has arrived.
      Several rosters are near full capacity – or will be once they sign their RFAs.

      Teams are now looking and trying hard to convince that supposed 12th-14th depth forward to take a 2 way contract or a contract that was half of their dollar expectation.
      Same goes with the 7-8 Dman…

      It ends up being a game of chicken that could last until just before training camp…or during training camp when injuries occur.

      One thng is certain. There will not be many Cap Dollars left when the RFAs are eventually signed.

      At the moment 14 teams have less than $6M of official Cap Space and 19 teams have less than $8M Cap space.

      Even some that show more Cap Space for the moment really have little if any left.
      Ex: Leafs have $10M, yet need to sign RFA forwards Kadri and Colborne along with RFA Dmen Gunnerson-Franson-Fraser.
      Good bye Cap Space

      • Phil C says:

        I didn’t notice before how many teams are jammed against the cap already. This may result in a exodus of talent from the NHL in favour of cheaper, but less talented players. Not good if you are a fan of watching good hockey.

    • PureGuava says:

      Jagr – a mercenary that teams don’t want to pay.
      Boyes – has been on something like 10 teams in 9 seasons.
      Prospal – retired, offered job in mgmt with CLB.
      Brunner – overrated.
      Morrow – Old, run down, and no longer effective.
      Selanne – Ducks.
      Raymond – 4th liner.
      Sullivan – too old, small, broken.
      Anropov – Every 3rd season shows promise. Wrong side of 30.
      Grabovsky – waiting for a Ron Wilson hiring.
      Cleary – 4th liner.
      Penner – Conan’s hiring.
      Latrendese – poor speed, no work ethic, injury prone.

      “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
      – Robert Anton Wilson

    • 44har48 says:

      Maybe the cap going down $7M? and the owners just got done complaining that salaries are too high during the labor mess. How can they possibly act like Philly after that and spend like drunken sailors. And IMO, these dildos being bought out because they couldn’t live up to their original contract, and then getting 5 yr deals for $4.5M, is just plain wrong.

  40. krob1000 says:

    On Mccarron….His ceiling is a Lucic type…fantsatic…if not he likely still becomes a capable NHL fighter who is skilled enough to see regualr ice…that is a Habs need. Parros will not see reg minutes but if MCcaron can be a regular shift taker and a heavyweight…that is a great 25th pick…for the Habs based on their organizationl shortcomings in that dept.

    • kalevine says:

      I think he was a smart first round choice for THIS team

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      What you are referring to is a Shawn Thornton.

      A useful player no doubt, but not as a first round pick.

      • krob1000 says:

        What I am saying is that is a worst case scenario IMO….and there is a ton of diff between “first round picks”…tons never pan out, even high ones…at 25th…he is a second rounder before 1990 when the league had 21 teams. If he ends up being a rgular NHLer…as I believe he will in the role he appears headed for…success. I figure he’ll be more like a RYan Clowe type of guy ….best case scenario is a Lucic. Any guy his size able to take a regular shift is a win for the Habs. If he had gone 31….is it ok becuase he is a second rounder? Flip Fucahle and him and we’ll call them that if need be.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        On draft day they were comparing him to Bryan Bickell.

        Ka is a wheel.

        “On we sweep, with threshing oar.
        Our only goal will be the Stanley Cup!” – Danno

        For Your Life

      • Ozmodiar says:

        > but not as a first round pick.

        Like Lucic?

    • Phil C says:

      I seem him as more of a boom or bust. If he does not improve his skating, he will be a career AHLer/ECHLer, as those leagues are filled with big guys who simply can’t keep up to the pace in the NHL. But if he learns to skate like an NHLer, I think he will be very valuable player given his other skills.

      • krob1000 says:

        I have been reading his skating is greatly improved over last year and is very good for a guy his size. Not finding many sites knocking his skating.

        • Phil C says:

          That’s just it, skates well “for a man his size”. That’s why he is a first rounder, the potential is there, but no one is saying his skating is NHL ready. I just feel that as a big man, improving his skating will be his biggest challenge.

        • Ed says:

          did you see the video from the development camp?

  41. Maritime Ron says:

    @ Chris

    Respect your post and point of view re Laraque/Parros, but disagree on several points.

    Parros was brought in not only to protect our little guys, but to protect Prust who is not a bad hockey player at all.

    I believe the Habs misjudged what they had last year figuring Moen would help out Prust of which he did NOT.
    The other one was Ryan White who is a middle weight at best.

    Bringing in Parros has a domino effect.

    Take the Boston example.
    Last year when Thornton started running around, it was Prust that had to answer the bell.
    Coach Julien would take that trade off anytime.
    After that, no Hab was left to take care of business.
    Intimidation sets in for the smaller guys along with rough house liberties by the opponent that go unanswered. (Same with the Leafs)

    This year, if Thornton starts to run around, he answers to Parros.
    Next Bruin to want something, now has to answer to Prust (hopefully Moen also steps up this year) be it Lucic-Boychuk…That’s a good trade off for the Habs to have Lucic or Boychuk in the box.

    Now the garbage is over and the Habs smaller skilled guys feel great (and bigger) and can play hockey.
    That’s the way it works in a pro room.

    Lastly, Prust is as tough as nails, but doesn’t have the physical make up ( 6’2″-195) to take on all the heavyweights and is usually outweighed by the real enforcers – meaning he will eventually get hurt be that a concussion-shoulder, arm, groin, leg, and hand injuries as we saw last year.

    Rest assured that every single Hab is happier today knowing Parros is around – every single one of them.

    • bwoar says:

      Definitely on the same page with you Ron!


    • Sam Boni says:

      It’s revolting that since Laraque was bought out, 3 teams have humiliated the Habs on the scoreboard and in beat-downs. The 6-0 wipeout and injury to ‘Bourque was not a mirage. Parros and Tarnasky are a thinking GM’s strategy to correct a major weakness. Neither are going to dress for all 82 games.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The Leafs beatdown was actually started by us. We were losing 6-0 and lost our heads. We started the madness in that game.

        Same thing, to a lesser extent, against the Sens in the playoffs.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Exactly Ireland.

        I see Tarnasky in Hamilton protecting all the youngsters we have down there and could be a call up when we face the Leafs depending on how stupid Coach Carlyle becomes….him wanting Fraser McLaren over Grabovski tells you about his mind set.

        Know who he had when Anaheim won the Cup in 2007…
        Parros-Moen (when he was aggressive)- Shawn Thornton now in Boston-Shane O’Brien (he had 140 PiMs that year)- Pronger…kind of tells you his mind set and what HE believes what it takes to win.

    • Chris says:

      Every single Hab was ecstatic when Laraque was signed. Until they saw exactly how little his presence meant.

      Sorry, I just don’t see this tangible benefit. You’ve got to be on the ice to stop the shenanigans from happening. Parros plays 35-40 games and plays about 6 minutes per game. To take a guy off the ice for 5 minutes, he needs a willing fight partner or he ends up looking like an idiot. The guys that are running around are generally very smart about knowing when not to fight.

      Prust felt like he had to take on all comers last season. Perhaps Parros helps in that regard. I sincerely doubt that he will.

      • Sam Boni says:

        Your points make a lot of sense but until the team as a whole isn’t as soft as it is, a necessary “quick-fix” of having heavyweights on the team is the next best solution.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Please Chris- do NOT compare the character or Prust to Laraque. That makes your points unappealing

        • Chris says:

          Laraque has tons and tons of character. We should be so lucky to have our players do as much off-ice charity work as Georges Laraque has done.

          The slander of Laraque because Habs fans were idiots is what is completely unappealing. He stunk out the joint for us. Fine. It happens. But it does not make Georges Laraque a bad person, nor does he lack character by any definition of the word.

    • habstrinifan says:

      This about answers all the questions. Great post. I mean it great post… If it werent for the fact that I am a contributing member and will surely put out one of my transformational edict by the Summit, I would have nominated you for post of the year.

  42. bwoar says:

    The role of an enforcer: to keep Bourque, Prust, Emelin and, say, Tinordi from having to fight when things get too silly on the ice or a player suffers a cheapshot that demands immediate redress.

    (Though Tinordi may well get there eventually.)

    They are not “useless” whatsoever. This is a useful and important role: to take a guy off for 5-10 minutes who’s been running the skills players on your team. What’s useless about that? It may not be hockey the way we want it, but that’s hockey the way it is. Very glad we got Parros even if he isn’t a face-breaker.


  43. frontenac1 says:

    Laraque became a sad cliche of his former self in Montreal. Big John Erskine knew it and proved it. He was done after this.

  44. veryhabby says:

    I had hoped McCarron would follow in LL or Tinordi’s footsteps. One year in NCAA and then OHL. Get a mixture of both.

    Some of us have him written off before he even starts his development. I think I will wait a few years before I do that. If he ends up as a 3rd liner, then that’s fine. He was a 25th pick, not a 5th. As long as he makes the nhl and helps our team, I’m fine with it.

  45. veryhabby says:

    I don’t like goons, cause I hate stage fighting in hockey. This is all that Parros will bring to this team. But, for a few teams with goons on them, it will be better then nothing to have him in the line up. I do not see him a regular in there. As long as he doesn’t get kicked out of the game, and can stay on bench to make sure other team goons don’t take runs at our players, then it’s better then nothing.

    but when it comes to overall team toughness, the top 9 guys will have to find the strength themselves to “battle” for themselves. I don’t see Parros going after another teams top 6 player cause he gave a hard clean hit on one of our top players. That’s hockey. and our top guys will still have to battle vrs the other teams top guys.

    Parros just takes care of the goons, nothing more.

  46. Habfan17 says:

    Someone had posted here, that they had heard the the Sharks may be interested in moving Thornton. If this is true, would you trade Plekanec, Gorges and Moen for Thornton and Petrecki?


    • Timo says:

      Well… Habs have good enough time choking in playoffs so Big Joe would not be detrimental in this regard. Besides, I though he actually played pretty well last playoffs. I’d do it. (I don’t know the money side of the deal though)

    • Sportfan says:

      Is Petrecki a d-man?

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      • Habfan17 says:

        Yes, big mean and the same age as Subban, a first round pick and he is a lefty. He could pair with Subban, Tinordi in time could pair with Beaulieu, and Pateryn with Diaz!


    • Sam Boni says:

      San Jose did well in the playoffs as far as their compete level went. Any team’s compete level would suffer if they had Moen and sadly, Gorges on the ice. Try to stir up memories of Moen’s and Gorges’ best plays last year and I can’t visualize a single one. We can’t count on the league having a bunch of dummy GMs.

    • Fransaskois says:

      Too much for a player on the downside of his career and a fairly “meh” defenceman. I wouldn’t want us going in that direction. I love Joe but this wouldn’t really help our current team or our future team. So I would say no.

  47. Sportfan says:

    Here’s my most recent blog post once again NHL related to a few of the UFA signings from July 5th! Check it out!

  48. Fransaskois says:

    McCarron to the OHL.

    Pros: More games, closer to NHL style of play, better coaching, fighting allowed, London is hosting the Memorial Cup, closer to the Habs organization, no school commitment.

    Cons: Less practice time, less gym time, less one-on-one skills coaching, more emphasis on fighting, more roster depth.

    I think it’s the right choice. The fears of him becoming just a goon because he’s in the OHL are very overblown. Going to this league gives him a chance to make it part of his game, not his entire game. This will better prepare him for life in the NHL and likely put him up against potentially more skilled and bigger peers than he’d see in the NCAA. Step in the right direction.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Bang on and I Agree 100%!

    • Haborama says:

      Yes, but London is a stacked team. McCarron will not sniff the top six in his time there.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Which means he will learn how to play defense first. He will get his top 6 time but he will have to earn it

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Fransaskois says:

        I’m not so sure… I never really watch London but I don’t think their forward depth is so spectacular McCarron wouldn’t have a spot in the top-6. Who would you consider being their top-6? I see Domi, Horvat, Griffith and Tierney in there somewhere? A lot of their guys are quite small and I can see McCarron playing a big role in at least the top-9.

        • Chris says:

          It depends on whether they bring in any more players. Right now, McCarron can slot into Seth Griffith’s spot as a top-6 right winger. But we’ll have to see what kind of deals go down as the rebuilding teams deal their top players for younger players and picks. London will make some more moves, including bringing in another top right wing. I wouldn’t be surprised to see London go after Ryan Hartman from Plymouth, who will start rebuilding this summer.

    • Ed says:

      less practice time in junior? I don’t think so.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Agreed. NCAA is good for players that need to mature physically – more practice/gym time, longer period of time. McCarron already seems pretty mature in that regard.

  49. HabinBurlington says:

    There were good posts over the past few weeks showing the merits of McCarron choosing either OHL or College for his next step. Whether or not it would have been better for him to go the college route, at least he is going to a program with the Hunter brothers who do know what it will take for McCarron to be successful at the NHL level.

    Looking back at Tinordi’s time in London, seemed to be pretty good for him. As others have pointed out, hopefully he doesn’t just scrap, but rather learn how to use his big body on the ice effectively at both ends.

    • Haborama says:

      He would have been better of in College. It would have made him into a top six guy with a mean streak and physicality rather than a 3rd line plug.

      I fear we may ha ve to write off McCarron.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        London does a great job with player development. The hunter boys know what they are doing. Just go through all the players that have came out of that program with huge NHL success….there has been quite a few.

        To name a few off the top of my head….Cory Perry, Rick Nash, Patrick Kane, John Tavares, Kadri, Sam Gagner,

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

        • Chris says:

          Nash never played for the Hunters. Tavares played 24 games + 14 playoff games in his last year of junior as the Knights made a trade deadline move to bolster for the Memorial Cup.

          Kane and Gagner both played one season in the Knights program, spending most of their development time in the USNTDP. Kane was already the consensus pick to go first in the NHL draft when he decided to spend a year at London for “development reasons”.

          The Hunters have done a very good job with guys like Perry, Prust, Methot, Horvat, Domi, Bolland and Maata.

          My only concern with London is that they are VERY deep this year. McCarron might not see as much ice time as people here think. That Knights team should be the prohibitive favourites for the Memorial Cup, as this was the year they have been building for all along.

    • Timo says:

      Tinordi is still “to be seen”… He needs MOAR read meat.

    • Phil C says:

      I think this is where Lapointe and Brisbois will be very important. As long as McCarron is getting good advice and support from the big club, he should be fine. As a big man, his focus should be on skating if he wants to play in the NHL. Tinordi made huge gains in his skating ability while in London, so that bodes well.

  50. Habfan17 says:

    Laraque looks like he has stopped training! After his last fiasco, trying to unionize major junior players, you think he would have learned his lesson. He isn’t made for politics either in my opinion


  51. Max says:

    Parros doesn’t look very “huggy” in this clip.

    go to :039 for the good stuff!

  52. mark-ID says:

    Here is how I envision our lineup in five years. Fell free to add or subtract players:

    Pacioretty/Chucky/Gally -Veteran line
    De LA Rose/Eller/Collberg -Viking line
    McCarron/Bournival/ Hudon or Thomas -Shut down line
    Crisp/Leblanc/Bozon -Checking line


    I think each line has a mix of power forward, playmaker and sniper.
    What does everyone think, are we still too small or what? I think it looks like one hell of a lineup, at least on paper. I believe each defenseman is on their right side of the wing also.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • JUST ME says:

      Do not know if this is exactly how the roster will look like but you sure have the idea. Bergevin is aiming to have a team formed mainly with youngsters and the vets we have now will almost all be gone when he has his team. Unfortunately some do not understand that it also means that most of the veterans in the league are not of any interest for Bergevin and that if he hires a few it means they are in place while the kids grow and that basically the team we have now is not the one we will win the cup with. Must be patient.

    • Chris says:

      There is a very strong chance that at least half the guys you list as forwards will never become NHL regulars. We’ve seen it time and time again.

      I would probably put it at 50/50, at best, that any of McCarron, Bournival, Hudon, Thomas, Leblanc or Bozon become NHL regulars. Crisp almost certainly won’t make it.

      Bozon is not a fourth line checker. He’s a sniper. Putting him down there makes no sense. If he makes it, it will be as a top-6 forward. If he’s not that in Montreal, it will have to be somewhere else.

      On defence, Ellis is a long-shot to even make the NHL. Dietz will be interesting to watch. He had a big year at 20 in junior, but he’s a bit undersized and will have to show he can do it against the pros.

      • mark-ID says:

        Of course I know some won’t make it, and we will have also drafted many more players by then.
        I guess, I was more or less putting down the best lineup we have currently available to us, IMO.

        “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

      • The Jackal says:

        6’1 is undersized? The bar just keeps getting raised… or lowered?

        Hockey sine stercore tauri.

        • Chris says:

          Sadly, 6’1″ and 205 pounds is basically undersized by NHL standards.

          Josh Gorges is 6’0″ and 200 pounds and he’s largely considered undersized. In many respects, I see Dietz as another Gorges.

          We see Gorges as a positional defensive defenceman, but forget that his best junior season was actually quite comparable to that of Dietz:

          Darren Dietz: 72 GP, 24 G, 58 PTS, 100 PIM
          Josh Gorges: 54 GP, 11 G, 59 PTS, 76 PIM

          • ClutchNGrab says:

            I’m not trying to be a smart-a.. here, but did you know Dietz was 6’1″ before saying he was undersized and trying to back your characterization or do you really think 6’1″ is? Or is it the way he plays that makes him look undersized? Or were you trying to say the 6’1″ is not accurate?

            Would you say David Clarkson is undersized, because he’s 6’1″ and weighs 200 pounds.

          • Chris says:

            I think 6’1″ and 205 pounds for an NHL defenceman is becoming undersized as the NHL executives all froth at the mouth looking at taller and heavier players.

            Dietz is not an elite skater, like Subban for example, so he’s going to have to rely on strength and positioning. Looking around the NHL, the defencemen are getting bigger and bigger.

            Here’s the Senators blue line that knocked us out of the playoffs:

            Jared Cowen – 6’5″, 230 pounds
            Eric Gryba – 6’4″, 222 pounds
            Erik Karlsson – 6’0″, 175 pounds
            Marc Methot – 6’3″, 231 pounds
            Chris Phillips – 6’3″, 221 pounds
            Patrick Weircioch – 6’5″, 205 pounds

            Most of those guys are huge. The one that isn’t, Karlsson, is probably the best skater in the world.

            Dietz is going to have to bulk up to 215 or 225 pounds. From what I’ve seen of him, he doesn’t strike me as the type that can support that kind of weight on his frame and still remain effective. Subban plays between 215 and 220 pounds, but you can see that he’s always had a very powerful build to him.

            Clarkson is probably undersized for a guy who fights as often as he does. But forwards don’t have to be as big as defencemen: defenders have to be exceptional skaters (Dietz is not) or they have to be strong and have excellent reach (Dietz does not) to try and nullify the speed advantage they will face from NHL forwards who can absolutely fly.

            You don’t see many elite 6’5″ forwards, but you’re seeing the defencemen move that direction. It is hard to dangle when you’re a big guy, so the advantage for large forwards is somewhat minimal. For defencemen, the reach and leverage they can apply can be a big advantage.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        >I would probably put it at 50/50, at best, that any of McCarron, Bournival, Hudon, Thomas, Leblanc or Bozon become NHL regulars.

        Pretty pessimistic to say 50/50 chance that any make it… considering Leblanc alone probably has a better than 50/50 chance of becoming a regular at some point. The same can be said of McCarron, I’d say.

  53. Bill says:

    So the Habs get a goon like everyone wanted and now he’s not the right kind? This just goes to show how foolish the enforcer role is.

    Funny but I don’t remember Laraque ever laying a deserved or convincing beating on anyone as a Hab. He would just fight the other team’s goon randomly, often to a draw. Lucik looked intimidated for about ten seconds, until he realized Laraque wasn’t going to do anything to him.

    If they would just ban fighting, Laraque could have gone into politics years ago, Donald Brashear would have been a classical pianist, and George Parros would be saving the economy.

    • Sportfan says:

      Maybe he’s not big enough, or maybe people don’t know what they want and should join another teams allegiance.

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    • Haborama says:

      The term “Enforcer” is actually quite broad.

      There are the Probert/Fergy/McSorley types, who retaliate against players on the opposing team for taking liberties on star players. They usually are able to utterly lay waste to opponents and are typically good enough to play at least a 3rd line role.

      Then there are the Shawn Thorntons and Mike Rupp’s. These guys act as policemen, and retaliate against players who take liberties. The diffrence is that they are not good enough to be anything other than 4th liners who can take regular shifts, and as a result find themselves in staged fights from time to time. They also act in and agitating and adversarial manner against other teams when not policing.

      And then there are the Laraque types, pure goons who fight strictly for show and follow a “code.” They often have no talent at all and are frequent healthey scratches.

      You idealy want someone from ythe first two catagories, the third catagory is useless. Parros is somwhere between the third and second catagory, as I have seen him retaliate against players at times.

  54. Ian Cobb says:

    This is for BGL.

    When I took the entrance exam for medical
    school, I was perplexed by this question:
    “Rearrange the letters
    P-N-E-S-I to spell out the part of the human body that is most useful when
    Those who spelled SPINE became doctors. The rest
    are in Parliament.

  55. Chris says:

    I agree with Laraque, but mainly because “enforcers” in hockey are completely useless. They accomplish nothing.

    Laraque did not fight any less while with Montreal. In fact, you had to go back almost 10 years to find a time when he fought more frequently than he did with the Habs.

    If anything, Laraque’s lack of effectiveness with the Habs was tied to a back injury that the Habs knew about and ignored when they signed him. That limited his ability to stay in the lineup.

    But the record was clear: Laraque fought staged fights against other fighters. That was all he had ever done, and it was what he did in Montreal. If Montreal Canadiens fans were too stupid to go and look at that record, then they deserved to be disappointed.

    Parros is the same thing. You can go over and see his fight record and look at the names of the people he fights. The vast majority of them are staged fights against other fighters. His fight totals are rapidly declining in the past couple of years as Parros is an absolute stiff who couldn’t be trusted with ice time even on a pretty awful team.

    Like Laraque, Parros will disappoint Habs fans who think an enforcer will stop the likes of Milan Lucic or Patrick Kaleta or Ryan Malone from running around destroying Montreal’s skill players. It won’t be any fault of Parros’, but simply a complete lack of understanding on the part of fighting fans of what the role of an NHL enforcer actually is.

    • Ed says:

      Chris, I was with you until you laid the blame at the feet of the fans who will be disappointed because of their lack of understanding.

      let me suggest that it’s Bergevin who made this move and Bergevin who should be held responsible for “deceiving” the fans into thinking that players like Parros can “balance the lineup”.

      The fans take their lead from management’s decisions.

      • kalevine says:

        absolutely correct. If Bergevin is caving in to fan calls for an enforcer instead of doing what needs to be done to ice a team with some pushback, then it’s all on him. Actually it’s all on him anyway. We tried this with Laraque and it didn’t work. I think we are several years away from having a team with tough skilled players, because nobody in the league wants to give away those precious commodities for anything, especially to the Habs. Why not have at least one team that you know you can physically intimidate without repercussions?

      • Chris says:

        The fans take their lead from management decisions, but let’s be honest here. The element that espouse fighting as some sort of effective deterrent take their lead from the neanderthal that the CBC trots out in the first intermission.

        Bergevin deserves the blame for Parros, for better or worse, just as Gainey did for Laraque. What annoys me is how people slander these guys for “changing” when they came to Montreal. Laraque never changed. Montreal fans just finally saw what exactly the enforcer role was. Instead of admitting they were wrong, they just attack the player. It is pathetic.

    • Phil C says:

      An enforcer will not prevent cheapshots like many people assert, so in that sense they have limited value. But I would not say they accomplish nothing. They can provide some specific deterrence in that if you get an opposing player who is running around recklessly, the enforcer can try to punch him hard, which will usually slow the player down. At a minimum, a tough fight will fatigue the dangerous player and take him to the box for 5 minutes. You can usually tell when a player is behaving recklessly before he actually hurts someone.

      An enforcer will also prevent our middleweights from having to fight the heavyweights. Guys like Prust and Gorges should not have to fight guys like McLaren. As long as we have meat-head coaches like Carlyle in our division who will fill his roster with goons in an attempt to intimidate the opponent, the Habs need to have an answer. We will never be able to match them goon for goon, but just enough to prevent the intimidation tactic from working. Of course, if Parros gets his clock cleaned instead, the strategy backfires, so it comes with risk.

      It’s not documented anywhere, but I am pretty sure Bourque’s concussion came from the Orr punch. I think Gorges played through concussion issues as well from the Ennis hit followed by the McLaren fight. Prust’s shoulder broke down over the course of the season. They way he uses his left arm to keep guys away has to be really hard on his shoulders. If Parros can tag in for some of these fights, over the course of a season it should prevent some injuries.

      • Chris says:

        It’s all banked on the idea that the player that is reckless is actually going to fight back. When Matt Cooke was running around, he rarely fought. He certainly wouldn’t go near Parros.

        Same with guys like Steve Ott, Patrick Kaleta, or Milan Lucic. Parros can try jumping them, but he’s just going to take extra penalties and they will just turtle and be right back on the ice the next shift.

        NHL players fight because they the league tacitly approves of it and an element of the fans love it. It serves no hockey purpose whatsoever.

        And for those that argue that hockey players have to fight because of the cheap shots they suffer, spare me. I’m limping around on a badly sprained ankle this week because an idiot at my soccer game decided to flagrantly take me out. It never even occurred to me to get up and throw a punch, even though I was furious at such a stupidly reckless move on his part, because it is taboo to act like that in civilized society.

    • Cal says:

      It isn’t about a Lucic running around destroying the Habs’ skilled players. It’s about a Hab running around destroying other teams’ skilled players. 😉

      • Chris says:

        Parros couldn’t catch a skilled player. The man moves like he’s gliding through molasses wearing concrete blocks as skates. He’s a terrible skater at this point in his career.

  56. Bill says:

    I was hoping McCarron would go back to college hockey to focus on developing his skills. Not sure why he’s decided to go to London … hope he doesn’t spend the whole season just brawling and sitting in the box.

    • Price07 says:

      When McCarron plays in the NHL he will be expected to play tough, college hockey wouldn’t teach him much about the type of game he will be expected to play. I think the OHL is better for him.

      • Chris says:

        No, he’s expected to play a power forward game, hopefully giving the Habs 20 goals a season and playing a physical style of play.

        Both of those could be developed in the NCAA. The ONLY reason to go to the CHL is to get more game experience (he’s already played a pretty high number of games the past two seasons, so it clearly isn’t helping him develop his skill to be playing games all the time) and to fight. He said as much himself: he can’t fight in the NCAA, so the CHL is appealing as that will be a big part of his game.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Doesn’t London go far in the playoffs and make it to the Memorial Cup half the time?

      • Chris says:

        Yeah, but he won’t be in a position to play top line minutes there. He’ll be a second liner at best, if not on the third line.

        The Knights are very deep and will be loading up with veterans from other OHL teams as they are hosting the Memorial Cup this season. A guy who is as limited offensively as McCarron is going to find PP minutes and playing time tough to earn with the Knights next season.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Well If Lucic turned into what he has playing in the CHL, McCarron should be there as well.

          It’s the best junior hockey league in the world by a country mile.

          He could go play US college hockey and be like Pacioretty, good hands but a total wimp.

          In the OHL, he’ll be mean and nasty by the time he’s finished. And I’m sure he’ll find his offensive touch.

          • Chris says:

            Lucic was a top-line player on the Vancouver Giants that season. He had all the ice-time he could possibly want to develop into that type of player.

            Arguments about the “best league in the world” are spurious. McCarron won’t be a wimp regardless of where he plays because he enjoys the rough and tumble side of hockey.

            The OHL doesn’t make players “mean and nasty”. That is a property of a player’s personality. I watch a ton of OHL games, probably more in that league than any other level of hockey. I’m well versed in that style of hockey.

            It is good for some guys, and not so good for others. We’ll all have to hope it works for McCarron. I just hope that he gets ice time fighting the likes of Horvat, Domi, Tierney, Anderson, the Rupert twins, etc. I suspect the Knights will bring in at least one or two stars from other teams as well.

    • Phil C says:

      It’s hard to have nice hands when they are busted all the time from smashing into visors and helmets. I don’t mind the occasional scrap so he learns how to do it, but I really hope that is not his focus, otherwise it is a complete waste of a 1st round draft pick.

    • Haborama says:

      oh no…

    • Chris says:

      Going to be tough for him to get ice time on that team. They are scheduled to bring back 22 of the players that took them to the Memorial Cup last season and are scheduled to host the Memorial Cup in 2014. I suspect they’ll be trading to get some of the top players in the league, as they’ve done in the past with guys like Kadri and Tavares.

  57. Ian Cobb says:

    Big George Laraque showed us his colors a few years ago, and it was not green! It was a shade of yellow if I remember correctly.!!

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  58. jimmy shaker says:

    Sweet…..MB resigned Gill again!!!

    Shaker out!

  59. Propwash says:

    Parros still has a job in the NHL, BGL doesn’t. Proof that BGL is full of crap? He’s now a politician.


  60. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    Gotta give Laraque some credit. Other than Prust. He was better than any 4th liner we have right now in his younger days. He could put up 19-20 points a season and he could take care of business.

    • Chris says:

      Comparing their best seasons is actually pretty illustrative:

      In 2010-11, Prust put up 13 goals and 29 points in 82 games to go with 160 PIM.

      In 2000-01, Laraque put up 13 goals and 29 points in 82 games to go with 148 PIM.

  61. TheLogician says:

    Not allowing the messenger to influence the message itself, I think it’s a valid point…

    Parros seems to be regarded as a “nice guy” enforcer who opts for the wrestle/takedown route over face bashing. Hence the reason why the bloodthirsty crowd over at regularly labels him as “boring” and calls him “huggy bear”.

    Nowhere near as fear inducing as compared to, say, a Trevor Gillies psycho type.

  62. kalevine says:

    From what I understand, what Laraque is saying is that a fighter is not the one to fear. The one to fear is a guy like Chara who with one calculated push can practically kill a guy and get away with it. We don’t have anyone like that and I don’t want anyone like that. I would rather never win the cup again than have players like that.

    • Timo says:

      29 teams don’t have anyone like that. And as far as Laraque – well, sounds like what he is saying is that he’d been totally useless his entire “career” then.

  63. Gally27 says:

    NEWS #Habs 1st pick Michael McCarron will play for the London #Knights #OHL #NHL

  64. frontenac1 says:

    Can May handle her dukes?

  65. bwoar says:

    I wish the Montreal press could stop extended Laraque’s 15 minutes.


  66. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    Everytime Laraque opens his mouth. A fool speaks.

  67. Max says:

    Georges comes across as an arrogant,whiny fool.Hey Georges,at least Parros will play and fight like he gives a damn,unlike your pathetic self. Go away already.

  68. commandant says:

    Laraque blasting Parros in the press is comical. What a hypocritical tool.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • Phil C says:

      Talk about not following the code…

    • Kooch7800 says:

      No one was scared of Laraque in his last years either. the guy didn’t understand what he was paid to do in the end. he was the joke. He wasn’t paid 1.5 mill a season to ask people if they wanted to fight and then if they say no say oh well they didn’t want to fight so what can I do.

      He was a tough guy in his early years but I think he took one too many to the head

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  69. issie74 says:

    He is a tragic figure.


  70. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Greens are ridiculous. The only thing they can do politically is give ridings to the Tories, which is precisely against their stated policy interests.

    • Bripro says:

      This isn’t a political forum, so I’ll ask you a quick one.
      Did you see Elizabeth May at the last political leaders’ debate?
      She tore them all apart.
      It’s too bad she doesn’t lead a party with teeth. She’s a sharp cookie.

      I think as GM, her first mistake is drafting BGL.
      Her party doesn’t need size. It needs speed and grit and a good D line.
      BGL is a junior-calibre player at best should be told to go away, forbidden from taking a mike in his hands. He only craves attention.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I have not seen the debates – I’d rather watch a NJ Devils – Carolina Hurricanes pre-season game.

        My point though is that they are helping elect a party whose policies are 180 degrees from theirs. And, like Ralph Nader in 2000, they appear to be in it for vanity. The selection of BGL confirms that they aren’t serious.

        And I think its OK to discuss politics in this thread – since it is about politics.

        Neither the topic, nor its protagonists have much do to with hockey in any case.

        • bwoar says:

          I’m pretty sure if you took the time to listen to the party’s leader you’d come away with a different impression.


          • HabFanSince72 says:

            What conclusions would change?

            1. That the Greens’ 5% of the vote comes at the expense of the Liberals and NDP, therefore helping the Tories? What statements from the Greens could change that fact?

            2. That choosing BGL as your deputy leader no less is deeply unserious?

          • Chris says:

            HabFanSince72: In many cases, the people that vote for the Greens are younger voters that would NOT vote at all because they do not like any of the mainstream parties. Do they siphon off some of the votes from the NDP and Greens? Occasionally.

            In the past, the Greens were actually guilty of siphoning off moderate Conservative support as they had gone with leaders (especially provincially in Ontario, at least) that are fiscal Conservatives. Conservative voters fed up with their party are more likely to vote for a protest party like the Greens than they are to vote for the Liberals or NDP. I have numerous Albertan friends who could never, ever allow themselves to vote Liberal due to an intense dislike of Trudeau and his policies, a taint that I find silly to continue to associate with a party 30 years later. But the fact is that it is a real issue for the Liberals out west.

      • bwoar says:

        Right all the way. I was pretty amazed at May; the only leader able to consistently score points against their counterparts previous to her was Duceppe, and he had it easy.


      • Timo says:

        My wife worked on a campaign for the Greens here in Calgary during by-election and I met Elizabeth May a few times in person and heard her speak a few times in a smaller/family type setting. She IS sharp. The candidate that ran for Calgary is also a pretty smart dude. That being said, I highly doubt that running Laraque as their candidate will help the image that HabFanSince72 has of them and I can see why.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I am sure there are good people in the Green Party. I shouldn’t have said they are “ridiculous”, and May did some great environmental work.

          But Ralph Nader was also a pretty smart cookie.

          He still elected Bush.

          • Chris says:

            Actually, he did not.

            Over 50,000,000 Americans elected Bush. Your claim is based on the premise that all those voters that voted for Nader would have voted for Gore otherwise. This ignores the fact that third party candidates often appeal to people that would not vote otherwise.

            I emphatically reject any attempt to limit political options. I don’t personally support the Greens or any other party for that matter. I vote for the best candidate in my riding, the person who I think will best represent my views and my region. If more Canadians would do this and stop being such partisans, the political system would be a lot more effective.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The nomination of BGL to run for them does have a bit of cry for popularity and desperation to it. But then again, I am not sure he has any less credibility than most of this nations politicians regardless of the party colours they run for.

  71. arcosenate says:

    Wow, looks like he’s been eating more than vegetables. Maybe he just spray paints his cheeseburgers green.

    Anyway, good luck Georges.

    Just listened to Parros on TSN 690, it was 6:30am in California so he sounded half asleep but seems like a good guy, talked about his role and that he likes to play it.

    That’s more than Georges ever gave us I am afraid.

  72. habsguru says:

    BGL’s platform: “i will fight for the people MORE than i fought for the habs” wont take much Georgy

  73. Lazarus_taxa says:

    ….and then wasted no time bashing the Big George Parros in La Presse. What a tool. Every time this guy opens his mouth I dislike him more.

    Edit: For those interested:

    – «Je connais Parros, et c’est un bon gars. Il va y aller, il va défendre ses coéquipiers. Mais Boston n’aura pas peur de lui. Toronto et Ottawa non plus. Je suis persuadé que quand le Canadien a signé Parros, les Bruins étaient soulagés. Shawn Thornton était soulagé. À Ottawa, on était soulagé.»

    – «Ce n’est pas un gars qui fait mal. C’est un gars qui a joué universitaire. Oui, il est tough, mais c’est un lutteur. Il va essayer d’emmener le gars par terre. Mais ce n’est pas un finisher.»

    «C’est un bon gars, il va aller à la guerre. Mais dans la Ligue nationale, tu ne peux pas juste aller à la guerre ; il faut gagner, il faut intimider. Il faut faire peur aux autres équipes.»

    «Si tu n’intimides pas, si tu ne fais pas peur. Même si tu es un homme fort, les gens vont s’en foutre. Les gars vont se dire : “Il va me lutter par terre, qu’est-ce que ça fait?” Les joueurs ont peur d’un homme fort qui peut leur casser la face, qui peut leur péter leur os orbital, leur péter le nez, qui peut leur donner une commotion. Parros n’est pas comme ça.»

    «Le Canadien est dans la division la plus tough. C’est sûr qu’ils sont mieux avec lui. Mais connaissant le marché à Montréal, il va manger deux, trois volées et le monde va dire “tab… qu’est-ce qu’on est allé faire encore à aller chercher ce gars-là…”

    «Je sais que certains vont lire ça et dire que je suis jaloux, frustré. Je ne suis pas jaloux, je connais le gars, je connais tous les gars dans la ligue. Les gens qui ne me croient pas vont le voir cette année.»

    • AllHailTheFlower says:

      Being a hopeless anglophone, I had to run that through the google translator – one part really raised my eyebrows…

      ” The players are afraid of a strong man who can break their face, they can blow up their orbital bone, farting their nose, which can give them a concussion.”

      Wow – who’s the enforcer that can give a guy a concussion just by breaking wind?!

  74. myron.selby says:

    First time seeing Georges in that jersey.

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