Lapierre, O’Byrne recalled; Grabovski sent down

The Canadiens today announced that they have recalled forward Maxim Lapierre and defenceman Ryan O’Byrne from the Hamilton Bulldogs of the American Hockey League.

The team also announced that Mikhail Grabovski has been sent to Hamilton to make room on the roster for Lapierre and O’Byrne.

This is from the team’s official release:

Lapierre, 22, ranks second in scoring with the Bulldogs with 14 points in 19 games (seven goals, seven assists). He is a plus-2 with 63 penalty minutes.

O’Byrne, 23, collected eight points in 18 games (two goals, six assists). He is a plus-4 with 43 penalty minutes.

Grabovski, 23, played in 12 games for the Canadiens this season. He recorded two points (one goal, one assist).


  1. Lee Hayes says:

    How do you, sitting in Sudbury know anything about Carbo? “doesn’t like skilled players”, what a foolish statement. Love your picture, wont tolerate your shamefull Carbo bashing.

    Go Habs Go

  2. Will Longlade says:

    The Ducks have called a press conference to announce Scott N.’s return. Maybe picking up Selanne for a year or two isn’t as far fetched a notion as it once seemed? Does anyone know what’s happening with Selanne?

  3. coutNY says:

    Yes, I could see it prolonging our slump by Ryder not ajusting to a foriegn LW position bringing our two top point getters down; Resulting in opposing team shut-outs night after night!

    Kovalev and Koivu are not usually goal scorers. THey’re assist men and if their mates aren’t scoring no one is scoring.

    Why 5-5 would Not work as opposed to PP with those 3 together:

    PP opens up play for Ryder to be able take a wrist shot. 5-5 means he has to beat a player to make an opening. This year he has not been able to find open space.

    PP also allows Ryder to position him self to compensate for playing in a foriegn LW and in 5-5 has to keep moving and would have to receive passes on his back hand again not able to do this year.

    PP allows a forward the luxury not having defensive reliability because of their numerical advantage, obviously does not exist in a 5-5 situation.

  4. ebk says:

    The team is absolute crap 5-5 right now. I don’t see how the Ryder-Kouvi-Kovalev line would be any worse than the line combo’s they have now. They are also then set up for the PP.

  5. coutNY says:

    Opps agruing different things! Disregard the earlier post…well at least Krob1000.

    I think EBK was suggesting these as our 5-5 lines, not pp units kro1000? 5-5 is what I was arguing against…

  6. krob1000 says:

    Play Latendresse with Higgins and Plekanec as a second unit. Kostitsyn should not be on the power play yet…at least Latendresse is good in front of the net as a big body.

  7. likehoy says:

    Grabs is gone, he played his last game with the habs…am I upset? nope…

    I’m more upset that perezhogin has 22 points in 24 games in Russia where they only count 1 assist per game.

  8. krob1000 says:

    Could be worse she could have had a crush on a monster like O’Byrne….although Locke is more likely to score with her.

  9. nightmare_49 says:

    There is no doubt that Corey Locke is one of the best offensive threats in our farm system also there is no doubt that he is the softest player in our farm system and that is not what we need right now. As far as Killer (Brian Kilrea) is a very sucessful coach in the OHL and has a great network to supply him with the talent but as a coach he’s not the best in developing a player’s overall play. Many prospects come out of Ottawa 67’s but most need a lot of time to learn the game as killer plays them to their strength only but their are a few exceptions and Kilrea’s stint as an assistent coach in the NHL didn’t last long for that reason. He has a great personality a la Jacques Demers and grooms the players well about life as a hockey player but for hockey developement their are questions,IMO.

  10. Derek says:

    no becuz we have 23, since murray is gone.

  11. Edwardo says:

    So do we put Breezer with Bouillon? Oh no……….

  12. saku11 says:

    I don’t think Koivu is slowing down just yet considering he put up career best numbers last year with linemates that were still developing. Guaranteed if Koivu played with Kovalchuk or Ovechkin on his wing, he’d get 90+ points every year. Look at what happens when he plays with Selanne at the Olympics. I guess my name indicates that I’m biased, but Koivu has played his entire NHL career with mediocre linemates. Higgins has developed into an excellent player and will continue to get better, now he just needs a right winger.

    But again, if Gainey could somehow bring Lecavalier or Thornton over, then I’m all for it. Somehow I doubt they’re available.

    Koivu might be listed at 5’10 but he plays like he’s 6’4.

  13. krob1000 says:

    Looks like you beat me to the Ryder with Koivu and Kovy on the PP. We are right though.

  14. krob1000 says:

    That is exactly why he was sent down……It almost looks as if they are getting ready to waive someone or make a salary dump type trade for a mid round draft pick. I am only saying it can be looked at like that so please no pouncing on me……I am Not Miakael Samuelsson so that means you too Dandenault. I think if these guys are brought in (lower salaries) and a guys is dumped than I will know that something is i the works. For now it is obvious that the moves are intended to continue the shaking up process but if O’Byrne and Lapierre impress enough then it potentially opens all sorts of doors.

  15. krob1000 says:


    I think Lapierre will work his tail off and be a valuable addition on one of the depth lines. I thought Grabovski played great last game and was starting to look more at home though. He is weak but his speed more than compensates for that and he will only grow stronger over time. Grabs will be back ….no doubt about it. I think that Lapierre will pose a serious threat to Begin, Smoke and Kosto and force those guys to bring it every game or sit.

    O’Byrne…..We definitely neeed someone to start moving guys as demonstrated again last night with another heavy traffic floater geting through (the third goal took what life we had and destroyed it). Every time the opposition shoots from the blueline lately I get an uneasy feeling as there is usually four or five gusy (because we have collapsed PK style and not moved a guy or two from the other team). This has led to several ugly goals that make the goalies look terrible when the reality is you can’t stop what you can’t see (although Price saw Zetterberg’s and Datsyuk’s last night).

    Last night I thought we looked alright until the Red WIngs scored the third goal. The difference last night was that Datsyuk and Zetterberg were so much better than their defenders last night. Ryder looked completely lost on the line they had him on and why he was playing on the half wall on the pp I do not know. He should be in the slot or the guy down low to either circle out and shoot or drive/screen the net if a shot is to come. He would also work better on the unit with Kovy as he tends to control the pp when he is on it from the left side. I think this would force defenders to either cut off a pass to Ryder or the left defenseman jumping down or it allows Kovy to do his patented circle in an shoot from the top of the right circle. Ryder gave a couple pucks away and played his worst game in a while in my opinion although I did like that Carbo at least played him on the PP. Ryder scored so many PP gals last year because Souray controlled things from high on the left side and teams either went at him or took Ryder away….whichever one wasn’t covered scored more often than not.

    Higgins got another one going to the net and seems to score even on off games. I believe his 40-40 goal will definitely become a reality in the next couple of years as he is also looking more aware and even had his head up most of the time.

    Price looked very human last night and was due for a game like this. Datsyuk’s one shot was just a great shot but the otehr (five hole) should have been stopped and the last goal was a must stop as well but the game was done by then anyway. The long shot was deflected very far out but again it was the traffic that caused that one.

    Anytime I see Kovy and Saku on the ice together something good happens and I would be curious to see the result of reuniting Pleks-Higgins and Kostitsyn and having a first line of Koivu,Kovy and Ryder. Ryder and Lats could be interchangeable between the third and first lines. Fourth line is no place for Ryder.

    We still have plenty of time to work things out but at some point we are going to have to decide on something and stick with it for a while.

    I think the Bruins are in for a tough matchup with us as the team is going to be hungry and given these roster moves, Ryder’s treatment, Markov being called out,etc the guys who want to remain in Montreal had better start working….I believe they will.

  16. kevin m says:

    That’s your prerogative Saku11. I’m not saying that smallish centers can’t excel in the bigs, it’s just that aging smallish centers can’t… in most cases. I just have a problem with lines consisting of 3 forwrds under 6′ & 195 lbs in this present day NHL.

    I will admit, however, that the Habs’ style of play is also not really conducive to scoring, so, I don’t know whether 1 top flight center will help or not.

  17. AdamG says:

    unless huet goes on the IR or someone aside from grabovski is sent down, doesn’t this leave us with 24 on the roster?

  18. saku11 says:

    hehe i hate those guys!! damn toothpicks

  19. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    At least someone will be crashing the net though.

  20. ebk says:

    grabovski will get more $$ playing in Russia and more security.

  21. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I think Koivu is getting tired of playing with someone new every game. Lapierre shouldn’t be on the top line, he just isn’t there yet.

  22. Plek-Andrew says:

    Hope everyone is happy…
    everyone’s been crying for Lapierre and O’Byrne so here they are!
    I’m happy O’Byrne is here… just not so sure about Lapierre…
    I could just see the look on his face when they told him he was coming back.
    I’m sure he took the toothpick out of his mouth and said “meh… it was just a matter of time…”

    I dunno. He looks like the kinda guy who walks around with a toothpick in his mouth….
    Let’s hope he can use it to stab goalies in the eyes as he’s crashing the net!

  23. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I agree that the third line would blow, but the fourth line might be effective… might.

  24. ebk says:

    Ryder has had his most success on the LW with Koivu and Kovalev on the PP. Time to give it a shot. Play Higgins with Plekanec and Kostitsyn. Play Chipchura and Latendresse with whomever is playing the best out of the rest of their forwards. Please ride the top two lines, like most of the top teams do. And no more defenseman on the forward lines. My god, is that not the best indication of how poor the Habs depth is at forward? If Dandenault is not good enough to play in your top six D, then move him for a forward who can play on the 3rd line. There are many teams where he would fit as a top six defenseman.

  25. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Doesn’t Locke have to clear waivers aswell? I always liked the guy, My girlfriend used to have a crush on him… that was weird. Watched him play for the 67’s though, very impressed.

  26. JF says:

    Good move, but I can’t see it having much immediate impact. The added physicality will help, but we still need someone who can put the puck in the net on a regular basis.

    I hope the team will be really ready for tomorrow’s game. Boston is playing well, Thomas is being outstanding, and after losing three consecutive games to us, they’ll be bent on revenge. It could be ugly.

  27. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I think you’ll see Hamrlik babysitting O’byrne, not Bouillon.

  28. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    Tell you what, we can move Brisebois into center and play with 5 dmen, that’ll be one line combination he hasn’t tried yet!

  29. fun police says:

    why do we need four lines?

    higgins captain K ryder

    kots pleks kovy

    laps chips lats

    begin (insert double shifted player here) dandy

    the fourth line should only play 4 minutes max.


    komi markov
    ham obyrne
    bouillon gorges

    pressbox: smolinski, brisebois

  30. Corio says:

    Looking forward to seeing how this will shake things up, I think fresh blood was needed. It will be nice to see Lapierre’s tenacity on the rink again..

    Get rid of Brisebois!

  31. fun police says:

    the problem with locke is that he’s not a converted defensemen playing the wing. carbo doesn’t like skilled players.

  32. Chuck V. says:

    Remember that Lapierre was sent down to Hamilton so that he could learn how to play on the wing, and while he surely could still centre one of our checking lines, why not try a guy with this speed and grit on one of the top 2 lines. The kid also has a shot and definitely doesn’t mind doing the dirty work. Maybe try him out at Ryder’s old spot on the first line.

    As for O’Byrne I most definitely agree that we should play him with Hamrlik, as he never seems to panic and surely could teach young Ryan a thing or two about the NHL as he did with Phaneuf. I just hope we don’t stick him with Cube or in the press box in favour of Breezer.

    Hopefully our lines will look something along the lines of this:



  33. Barts says:

    Brisebois should sit… forever.

  34. fun police says:

    your last two lines wouldn’t even be competitive in the ahl. we all know how carbo rolls his lines like peewee houseleague. your third and fourth line would kill us at 12 minutes per game.

  35. fun police says:

    would you guys stop with the two defensemen on the third line crap. your killing me.

  36. Chuck V. says:

    i don’t think that’ll be the case. i think that grabs knows that he has a very bright future with the habs alongside many of our prospects but even he must recognize that despite his skill set and speed, his strength is not up to NHL standards. someone needs to get that boy on a weight program fast

  37. Habs_008 says:

    You guys need to get off this Vinny thing, he is not coming to SAVE US! There are not trades happenin now-a-days, this is the next best thing to shake-up a team. Sit the Breezer, put in O’Bryne, maybe sit Ryder he is a waste of a roster spot right now.

    Higgy- Captain K- Lats
    Kovi- Pleks- Kostinysin
    Steit-Chips- Ryder/Dandi
    Begin-Lapierre- Tommy K

  38. saku11 says:

    I have to disagree. Once Koivu and Higgins get a linemate that can keep up and not a converted defenseman, a career fourth-liner or a struggling power forward every thing will be fine. The guys you mentioned were drafted either first or second overall, and would definitely make the Habs a better team, they’re just impossible to get. That being said, Datsyuk and Marc Savard aren’t big centers and they get the job done.

  39. The Ian Cobb says:

    I wonder what the hell is the matter with Cory Locke!
    When we drafted him he was the top junior scorer two years in a row. I watched him play for the memorial cup and many games for the Ottawa 67s. He is a pure goal scorer, one of the quickest release shot guys that ever played for Killer in his coaching career, and he sure has had a few.

    I don’t pretend to know what it is that keeps him down on the farm, but if he were up here with us i guarantee we would see the red light come on much more often.

    Well at least we are starting to let the boys know that there are others who want there jobs. Lets start bringing up the farm and cutting off the dead wood.

    Deadwood remember, is a long way from the HEART !

  40. Andrea says:

    nice!I have been wanting this to happen for a long time. i think these 2 players will bring more physicality to the habs line up. and i agree o’byrne should play with hamerlick.

  41. nightmare_49 says:

    I’m very happy to see Ryan O’bryne And Maxim Lapierre called up as i thought the Habs were determined to develope them in Hamilton no matter what. It’s simple , the “D” 4th thru 7th is too small and soft with the exception of Cube and he’s 5 foot something. O’bryne size will help and with patience should be a keeper in the mix as both Dandy and Streit will continue to be utilized as forwards though Sreit must play better than last night and i know he can. Lapierre will add a spark and can act as a bandaid for now and if he hasn’t improved his overall play should be returned to develope in Hamilton. We don’t want a Lou Angotti. Sergie Kostitsyn is the future coming out of Hamilton for now and we shouldn’t hesitate to call him up as i’m sure he can play consistant with enough ice time to develope as a Hab.

  42. Edwardo says:

    Good move, nice to see some change. I don’t know how much it will help though.
    It would be kind of scary to see O’Byrne, who is still adjusting to the NHL teamed up with Bouillon.

  43. ebk says:

    my only worry about Grabovski is that he will follow Perezhogin back to Russia after the season.

  44. Thumper says:

    Good move, so BG sees changes are needed at last, hopefully he makes some more activity this week. We need someones beautiful girlfriend/wife to take one for the team and shmooze with the Tampa GM, get him drunk and somehow agree to let my favorite league player, Vinny, come to the Habs………I know I know but its a nice dream and in Sam Pollocks day he would have found a way.

    Anyway glad to see Maxim where he belongs and good luck to O’Byrne. As long as he gives 100% he’ll be fine. As for Maxim, no doubt he’ll give 110% every night guaranteed.

  45. ebk says:

    you are correct sir.

    I’m hoping we have seen the end of the defenseman playing forward crap.

  46. Mr.Hazard says:

    It was bound to happen. Lapierre better kill. I mean kill. I know he can.

    Ex nihilo nihil fit

  47. sidhu says:

    Grabs will be back – I was impressed by his skill and speed, he also played well with Kostitsyn. He just needs to work on being stronger on the puck. If so, he’ll be a strong player for us.

    Go Habs Go!

  48. sidhu says:

    Best. News. Ever.

    We need Lapierre and O’Byrne’s grit, size, and energy.

    Go Habs Go!

  49. fun police says:

    are you crazy!!! a third line with two defensemen on it. come on. lafleur would be right then. a bunch of fourth liners.

  50. Erik says:

    tell how the hell a guy like smolinski could sommand 2 mil a year with a ntc what the hell.

  51. Chuck V. says:

    beat me to it!

    exactly what needs to happen. nobody is goign to give us anything for them anyways so we may as well rid the team of them. i doubt either of them will be back with the team next year anyways and they’ve done nothing to help the status quo… which begs the question: what exactly do these two do for the team at the moment?

  52. Chuck V. says:

    well clearly grabs was being sent down because he’s the only forward on a 2-way contract they’re willing to send down, but would it really have hurt to send smolinski down? even if he does get picked up that clears cap space and he was dead weight anyways.

  53. 4everhabfan says:

    it’s about time!! hopefully this will shake things up. i still think the whole coaching staff needs a sit down with dr phil!!!!

  54. eyhp says:

    About time. Next step: put deadweights Ryder and Smolinski on waivers. Trust me no one will pick them up.

  55. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I still would like to see the younger Kostitsyn brought up…send some big guys down to Hamilton for a while and see if they do anything there…if not…they proved they stink

  56. kevin m says:

    These guys definitely need more size on defense. So I welcome O’Byrne. Lapierre will spell Smolinski… with a bit more energy. I just hope they get to play rather than sit in the press box.

    That being said, this team still lacks a 1st line center, the likes of a Thornton, Lecavalier or Eric Staal who have significant size, skill and above all the ability to make the players around them better.

    With all due respect to Koivu, at this point in his career, he is, at best, a second line center. The Habs are too small up the middle & lack another top 4 defenseman. Until these two positions have been addressed, the future remains bleak.

  57. Wops says:

    O’Byrne needs to play with Hammer, I agree.

    What about a fourth line of Bégin-Kostopoulos-Lapierre? Lots of Crash and Bang!


    CH if for Chris Higgins

  58. habsguy says:

    WOW, this is HUGE…I love it, I don’t want to bury Grabs though..

  59. abhishek says:

    Can’t wait to see those two hit the ice!

  60. Gilles Poisson says:

    I think this is very good thinking from Bob IMHO. Maybe we wont score the goal but with 9 defense it will be very hard to score on us. Thank you.

  61. Cable Guy says:

    Good move, can’t wait till tomorrow nights game. Lapierre will make a huge difference.

  62. AdamG says:

    well, i wouldn’t be so sure that they’ll play tomorrow night, at least not both of them.

    who sits? i site bisebois, smolinski and streit. i keep gorges in for now and pair him with bouillon. our PP is completely busted now that teams are pressuring us like crazy…we don’t have the skill to move it around quickly, so the pressure forces guys like higgins, ryder, latendresse to give up the puck right away. (why ryder is still used on the PP is beyond me).

    of course, this could mean the andrei markov might be given a few games off, though carbo insists he’s not injured.

  63. sidhu says:

    Indeed, I’m actually excited for the next game.

  64. J.T. says:

    I feel bad for Grabovski. He didn’t get a fair shot. But on the plus side, I hope O’Byrne takes Breezer’s spot with Hamrlik and Lapierre’s arrival means Smolinski sits.

  65. Gilles Poisson says:

    Maybe I hope this can help Ryder. Lapierre can say “here, look at me, I have also no talent but always I play hard and dont run away from trouble”.Thank you.

  66. joel says:

    did they really have a choice??? the team is starting to sink into a real depression and needed to do something to bring in a new attitude. let’s hope that these youngsters bring in a postive killer instinct to a club that, at the moment, needs some

  67. mjames says:

    Well this is a start. I would rather have kept Grabs and sent down a Somilinski. Glad we have signed this guy to a one year contract only. I assume Kostoploulos and Begin have one year contracts. We need to clear some space for the younger players. Any chance of getting Perezhogin back -I wonder how he is doing.


  68. mrstewart61 says:

    Kostopolous and Begin are signed thru the end of next season. Perezhogin is leading his team in scoring.

  69. ebk says:

    Smolinski has a No Movement clause in his contract so he is not going anywhere unless he wants to. Kostopoulous was signed to a two-year contract this summer. Begin’s contract also runs through the 2008/2009 season.

    Grabovski doesn’t look NHL ready to me. To easy to move off of the puck and he falls down constantly. Give him sometime to develop in Hamilton, he needs to get stronger.

  70. Habs64 says:

    Good stuff, O’Byrne and Komi will destroy opponents out there and Lapierre will stir things up and add energy!!

  71. fun police says:

    i thought begin, kosto, dandy are supposed to bring energy. how much energy do we need. how about some skill and goals. hmmm.

  72. kevin m says:

    Perezhogin is probably having fun playing hockey again… plain & simple. Lunchpail, defensive systems are boring for skilled skaters & puck-handlers.

    I don’t understand why the Habs continually draft highly skilled amateurs and then stifle them with suffocating defensive systems.

    It’s like hiring a Pulitzer prize winning writer at the Gazette & having him write the weather forecast day in & day out.

  73. mjames says:

    You are so right.

    If Carbo let the team play Detroit’s style it wouild have been a closer game. The only teams that i think can play Carbo’s style are the Devils and Minnesota. The Briuns try to play it and they are almost last in scoring. TRhey will go no where with this style except maybe beat the Habs. Teams that can play this way limit the number of shots on goal. We do the opposite. We are not a team that can play what Carbo is asking them to play.

    It is a crime we lost Perezhogin.


  74. Ibleedbleublancetrouge. says:

    I wouldn’t put Dandy on that list. He’s played surprisingly well all season, but I’m quite certain leading up to game 1, nobody even wanted him on the roster.

  75. Panther says:

    First time poster
    I’ve been a reader for some time now and figured it was time to weigh in.Just so I don;’t start off on the wrong foot, I’m a die hard fan of the Habs and have been for a long long time so don’t confuse my suggestions with pot shots.
    There’s alot to say these days about the slumping Habs and it all starts with coaching. Guy needs to understand that good defence “helps” win cups.Defence alone gets you no where.Once again we go into the third period trailing and we garnish 4 shots on net.It seems the startegy is to try and prevent the game from becoming 5 to 1 as opposed to trying and win the game.Three games in a row with 5 shots or less in the remaining period. Secondly Guy needs to realise that over 60% of goals scored come within 5 seconds of a turn over in the offense zone.How many turn overs do you expect to get with one fore checker. There is this philosophy that seems to say let them exit their zone , have your remaining 2 forwards stand in the neutral zone like pylons, clear them, then dump the puck in and force the defencemen down low who for the most part are good players but under sized.Thirdly when the puck is in our zone we go into the “penalty kill” box mode (standing still).Good skating teams ala Ottawa and Detroit simply skate into the seams and get too many quality shots. As of late we seem to be giving up 40 plus shots a game.Is that a defensive showing. Oh and good move Guy, put ryder on the 4th line that ought to help his goal production. Does anyone think putting a slow skater with 2 fast skaters makes the slower guy faster.Does sticking a poor player with 2 good players automatically make the bad good. A year and a half goes by and Guy doesn’t know who should play with who. Here’s your line up Guy

    1) Kotsy-Plekanec- Kovy
    2) Higgins-Chip- Ryder
    3) Lats- koivu- bring up a bulldog
    4) Dandenault (begin)-Lapierre-Kosto.

  76. kevin m says:

    Welcome Panther.

    Great points & I agree with them all. All the line changing seems to point to the fact that Carbo has a problem assessing the needs of each individual player to achieve success. Throwing Streit on a line with Koivu to shake things up, positively, had exactly the opposite effect.

    Doesn’t he sit down to analyze what other effects his decisions may have?

  77. theflower says:

    I have to agree, but I would add that maybe Carbo needs to look at Hitchcock and maybe take some pointers! He has turned that team around by preaching offense first. None of this 1 man in crap and then with a lead no men in. It’s getting a little tired watching our forecheck reduced to 5 guys in the neutral zone, sounds like a Star Trek line. Aggressive forechecking leads to turnovers, turnovers lead to goals this has been a philosophy for years on winning teams. We have the speed to play that way and yet we watch some old guys on Detroit beat the crap out of us and make us look silly doing just that. Not to mention, Buffalo and also Nashville on Saturday. We can’t blame the D if the wingers don’t help bail out the sinking ship. I have had my concerns about Carbo for some time, but want to believe in him as he brings stability to the bench. Let’s hope he starts looking outside of his rose-colored glasses. I say that because it seems the guys he thinks are performing well, don’t seem to be doing that well and the guys he says are not doing well don’t seem to be doing that badly, so lets get the lead out Carbo and turn this boat around today. The road is not going to get any easier from here.

  78. 24 Cups says:

    Does anyone know if Lapierre is any good at taking faceoffs? It’s a major team weakness and we can say all we want about Smolinski but at least he wins more faceoffs than he loses.

    I mentioned this in other posts but I think it bares repeating. Don’t bring these guys up from Hamilton unless they are going to be in the lineup and get some decent ice time. Otherwise, it’s a total waste. We play Boston on the road on Thursday which would be the perfect time to insert these two players into the lineup. Shake things up and kick some dust.

    We’ve all been clamouring for something like this so at least it’s a step in the right direction.

  79. Chuck V. says:

    Bob Gainey was on RDS last night and when they asked him about people in Hamilton, he mentioned O’Byrne, Lapierre, and younger Kostitsyn as being ready to get called up. He also said that they would play if they were called up.

    Well 2/3 are here so they better get some good ice time!

  80. TommyB says:

    Does anyone know how Lapierre is on faceoffs? Hmmmm….let’s ask Sidney Crosby!

  81. Chuck says:

    Now that everyone got their wish, no one gets to bitch anymore. :)


    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  82. Chuck V. says:

    But I wished for a cup…

  83. cautiousoptimist says:

    Sorry for the off-topic post – anyone else see this?

    Philadelphia Flyers ordered to play nice

  84. coutNY says:

    Seems 5 strikes (by 5 different players) finally justifies the problem as a team problem… still doesn’t spell-out the consequencies for further violations… so, it’s like a spoiled child being told by a parent to stop misbehaving. Or What?

    It’s almost bound to happen again and here Why:

    1)~ Because its’ not spelled out what the consequeces for further infractions will be, it seems an easy to argue win for a legal team that only see things black or white. The league has nothing to back it up threats on the books, other than fines or suspentions. The NHLPA wouldn’t allow a single player to be singled out excessively to penalize a team issue.

    2)~ Other side of the coin, teams now know Phili has to play tenative, so they will want to push their limits to expose this as a weakness, which will result in some sort of retailition or infraction out of frustraition, if they’re push too far.

  85. TradeRyder says:

    He said he put Streit there to have a defenseman on that line to play against the other teams best. But isn’t that supposed to be OUR best line? And doesn’t he know that Streit is the MINUS leader on our team. Not a very good shut-down guy I would say. Really starting to question Carbo. He’s grasping at very thin straws.

    Thanks for the line changes I asked for Carbs! Now, do the defense!

  86. krob1000 says:

    Really!! He said that about Sergei?? That is good news because if BG says it then I believe it.

  87. TommyB says:

    It may also mean that in order to bring up the third name mentioned (S.Kostitsyn), some room will have to be made on the roster. It appears Bob’s patience is running out and he is looking for ways to improve the roster in a way that makes sense not only on the ice, but fiscally too, as any responsible GM with a plan to the future would.

  88. krob1000 says:

    Everything seems to point to something happening. Someone’s family may be spending Christmas somewhere else. Either that or Bob has made a New Years resolution. I think O’Byrne and Lapierre will see heavy minutes for a couple/few games to see where they are before any trigger is pulled.

  89. Moey says:

    All I know for sure is that right now the Habs can’t beat an egg.

  90. likehoy says:

    someone PLEASE explain to me the reason we called up O’Byrne?? we officially have 9 dmen on the team…is carbo planning to play O’Byrne as a power forward?? is his plan to have a defenceman on each forward line so we’re playing with 3 defencmen per shift??

  91. CH1909-2009 says:

    No no silly, it’s becasue Mark Streit is a first line forward now!!!! YAY! HAHAHAHAHA! BOOHOOHOO!!!


  92. krob1000 says:

    Anyone know if the Habs have had a “players only” meeting during this stretch. I think it may be about time. I’d like to see the guys play for each other and not ice time.

  93. Scotty90 says:

    there have apparently not been any meetings in the last 6-7 games

  94. ebk says:

    don’t forgot the ever impressive Mathieu Dandenault.

  95. likehoy says:

    we should start converting forwards into defencemen, Markov was drafted as a centre and now he’s our best defenceman. I think carbo got confused with which positions to convert.

  96. cautiousoptimist says:

    Whoah là.

    The team played great for a while, then they stopped.

    Did the coach stop coaching, or did the players stop playing?

    I can’t say I’m a fan of his coaching style, his constant yapping, his calling out solid players, or what seems to be his disregard for our great speed. But like it or not, that same approach worked great just a few weeks ago, with the same guys in the lineup. I don’t have to like him to admit that Carbo has been pretty consistent in his style – it’s the players that have started slacking.

    With Lapierre and O’Byrne called up, Sidhu’s lines are now possible and I think they bear re-posting:

    Higgins-Pleks-Kovalev (few teams can skate with this line)
    Lats-Koivu-Ryder (played well last year when Higgy was hurt)
    Begin-Chipchura-Dandenault(solid shutdown line, good mix of grit and speed)
    Kostitsyn-Grabovski-Lapierre (these guys all have something to prove)

    Markov-Komi (scary to play against)
    Hamr-O’Byrne (also scary to play against)
    Cube-Streit (Streit mostly for PP)

    I like these lines. And I like this team. The top six forwards (plus Kostitsyn) are all capable of 20+ goal seasons, and the way Markov is scoring he’ll get there this season too. We may not have a 50-goal guy, but how many teams have eight players who score 20+?

    I’m happy about O’Byrne, but I gotta say, I feel bad for Gorges. He’s a young kid, making mistakes but improving noticeably, gaining confidence, and then the team adds a ninth D-man…

    And tell me there’s no trade in the works here… As it stands now, we’ve got a lot of salary in the press box every game, nine D-men, three goalies, Grabovski back in Hamilton for some polishing, and Gainey says Sergei is ready for the bigs. We will see at least Sergei and d’Agostini make the team next year, and maybe Ferland (8 goals in Hamilton’s 19 games so far). Huet and Ryder are UFAs… Looks like the conditions are right, and I trust Gainey to pull the trigger when the time is right.

  97. CH1909-2009 says:

    Well you’re certainly optimistic and I hope you’re right about the trade. I like your lines but I agree with you about Gorges and that’s why the only change I’d make is having him in instead od Streit. I’d keep Streit as 7th D and use him on the PP mainly.


  98. theflower says:

    Well I for one think Lapierre should have been up here all season. The guy going the other way though should have been Latendresse. As far as O’Byrne goes, with this team in a free fall, why not let the big kid go out there and mash a few people up. We clearly aren’t tough enough as a team so why not. As far as having too many D-men, well we need to ship somebody out of here or package a Gorges with say a Ryder and say a Latendresse and say a pick or two for Vinny Lecavalier. Its a dream for certain, but still we can dream! Maybe even throw in a Huet. However it needs to get done, now is the time. Having all these defense playing forward positions is NOT going to help us score goals and the D-men are under a great deal of pressure right now, because the offense is scoring no goals. 2-way street, we score a lot and the defence is fine, don’t score alot and the defence is awful. So I for one am not putting the losses on the D or goaltending. This team looked as lost as I have seen a Habs team in a long time last night and I have concerns. I hope something gives or we may be looking at Christmas like last year and we all remember what happened then!

  99. krob1000 says:

    The game has changed a lot since 1986. Europeans have adapted to North American style and some of the grittiest guys in the league are European. We have nobody that fits the stereotypical “European” description of years ago except maybe grabovski but he is the fastest player in the organization. I don’t know who you are referring to but Pleks, Koivu, Kovalev, Hamrlik, Markov, Streit and Kostistyn are our Europeans. Who do you suggest plays without “grit”. Maybe Streit and Kostitsyn but the others all play physical and with heart (Koivu and Pleks both play far bigger than they are).

  100. coutNY says:

    I think you better re-visit your train of thought and check out Euro/North American make-up of the best team in league, on its way to their 8th year of over 100 point seasons, before making such a ridiculus statement.

    Mtl ~ 12 out 22 players North American
    Det ~ 10 out 22 players North American

    As krob1000 suggested, wake up it’s 1986 any longer!

  101. Hot_Pie says:

    To all of you whining that we have a “European” team with no grit, tell that to the Detroit Red Wings.

    Last I heard, they were still the best team in the NHL. So much for being European’s eh.

  102. CH1909-2009 says:

    LOL yeah and who put the physical hurt on us all night long? Thomas “I like my meatballs with vodka” Holmstrom. Well said.


  103. LTHF says:

    Great to finally see that the Habs are making a move,calling up one forward and one going the other way and one defenseman, does that mean that another defenseman will be moving up front. They let Johnson and Bonk go and replaced them with Smolinski and kospo and expected to improve the team offensively that way—wow! Go with Kids and get some effort nightly.

  104. leafs67_andcounting says:

    Grabs needs to play more and he’ll get that in Hamilton. Lets see what Lapierre and O’Byrne can do. This also a wake up call to the whole team and easier than firing a coach.

  105. NightRyder says:

    Random thoughts:
    *It’s time to waive Smolinski and hope someone picks him up. Sadly, no one will.
    *I’m also sick of the mediocre defencemen playing on our forward lines.
    *Markov is injured. He just seems a step slow.
    *Grabovski is nothing more than a spare part. No big loss. He’s a 4A player.
    *Bouillon and Brisebois need to be flogged for two bags of pucks and some Timbits. If we’re lucky.
    *Ryder for Bourdon. Needs to happen.
    *Hope Lappy has learned his lesson.
    *O’Byrne will take some time (like Komisarek did) but his size is a huge plus. Don’t think he’s ready for big minutes alongside Hamrlik yet though.
    *How a team that takes so few chances offensively gives up so many shots is beyond me.
    *Agreed Koivu would make an ideal No. 2 centre. How do we get a No. 1?
    *Can’t wait for Pacioretty.
    *Keep voting for Huet as an all-star.
    *Love Lafleur’s honesty.

  106. krob1000 says:

    Agree with many of your random thoughts but I think Grabovski can be more than a spare part. His presence on Saturday was what dictated the crazy pace in the first period. I also thought he played really well with Ryder and unfortunately Ryder missed the net on a couple glorious chances. I would love to see him with Ryder again as I thought they had a some chemistry despite their oabvious genetic differences (that’s for the HABS PROFESSOR). Grabovski’s speed will ensure he always has a career in this game. He won’t be down long but I think TommyB is right in his post below and something is going to happen.

  107. T-roy West says:

    Why do people talk about how we need to go and get a goal scorer? Don’t people know that under the system we play, offensive ability is supressed. You can go get your Sidney, Vincent, Alexander but it won’t matter. It seems most of the time we let someone go or trade them they end up being very productive on other teams. Is it us or them? Mybe player’s that are gifted scorers don’t want to come here because they will not get the big payday. Most player’s that go to arbritration or negotiate new contracts look at other player’s goal production as a measuring stick. So if you have a player on Montreal that only scores 15 or 20 goals but they have the skills to score more under another system on another team then they can’t get the big pay raise(that they left their country and families for) and their not making as much as they would with another team. Montreal’s only choice is to trade for a gifted scorer that is already under contract for a few years. People it is the systems we play that suck’s. Yes I understand Carbo’s thought process and what he is trying to do but you have to get to the playoffs first before you start playing playoff hockey. Playoff hockey is tight close corner battles and regular hockey is more open. Teams like Detroit, New Jersey and Ottawa are teams that have a good balance of offence and defence and are good puck movers especially their defence. We struggle coming out of our own end with no game plan it seems and we don’t pass the puck well. I’d rather have someone who can make fast accurate passes then have someone with speed after all you can pass faster than you can skate. We try to play a defencive style but we don’t have the type of defencemen to pull it off. We are to small on the back end. When the other team is in our end behind the net we don’t hit them and we just let them skate around. For crying out loud make them pay for going behind there and our crease is our’s, get them out of there. What Dandenault did last night was awesome, God bless him. Everyone needs to do the same thing and stand up for each other instead of being a bunch of individuals. I want mixture of heart, grit and skill. Forecheck, forecheck, forecheck!!! I don’t care if we are winning 5-1 never stop forechecking. That is how you maintain a lead. I’m going to take a break now and calm down. Sorry for any spelling mistakes!!

  108. notbigbird says:

    I think O’B should have been here all along, but just maybe some of the other guys have been here just to have given him a bit more time in Hamilton, and they fulfilled their purpose? We aren’t getting anywhere as it is, so we may as well play the kids. As for Lapierre for Grabovsky, I have no firm opinion, except that the former seemed to be a positive asset last year.

    How’s the coach down there? Maybe we should bring him up too and send Carbo down for a little seasoning. :)

  109. 24 Cups says:

    Recchi just cleared waivers. Pittsburgh now can buy him out or send him to the minors (or keep him I guess). It would truly be an insult to send such a distinguished player as Recchi to the minors – that’s no way to end a career. I can’t see Mario doing that so I guess they will buy him out. 18 years, 2 rings, and over 500 goals and 800 assists.

  110. coutNY says:

    Rebuttal Thoughts:
    ~Smolinski has a no movement clause so the best that could be done is a press box.
    ~Dandy coming to Koivu’s defense was best sign of life from any player forward or Mediocre D-man or not
    ~Carbo stated Markov isn’t playing injuried as far as he knows… which is probably better than media speculation.
    ~Grabovski: Easiest player to move to Hamilton on the roster.
    ~Boullion is for the first time in the negative territory of the +/- after last nights game and adds Grit and heart. It’s what I want in my 3 trio Defense corp.
    ~Brisebios I agree with that he needs to go.
    ~Ryder’s not worth a Bourdon at this point. Another Dman without getting rid any D?
    ~Lappy, Agreed
    ~O’Byrne, Agreed
    ~How a team that takes so few chances offensively (6th in the league SOG) Low shot opportunities is a more recent phenomenon, but we’re #1 when comes to Opposing teams SOG.
    ~Koivu is a #1 that could use some Right Wing support.
    ~Pacioretty, Agreed.
    ~Voting Huet is a double edge sword, Good for trade value, bad for resigning.
    ~Lafleur great player, Love to see him do better with the cards Carbo was dealt.

  111. MAB the HAB says:

    While I agree a shake-up is necessary and this one may get the job done, the bigger change that needs to happen is the strategy of rolling four lines. It has not worked, as evidenced by the inability to keep a lead in the third. If you have stronger lines, use them more!

    If you don’t agree, take a look at the Red Wings and the time given to their Zetterberg line. Or Ottawa with the Spezza line. Play your top player the most time, instead of limiting their time in the interest of a freshness/sharpness in the 3rd period that is clearly all theory and no reality.

    The example of last game: the Plekanec line was buzzing…so put them on more so they can keep the pressure on the opposition’s defense. Instead, you play the weaker lines equal time and are more prone to get dominated.

    Anyone else see a problem with the “4 equal lines” strategy?

  112. Grabs says:

    If they buy him out it costs them 2/3 of his contract, sending him down and immediately recalling him to let another team pick him up would cost only 1/2, hockey is a business and that’s what they’ll do. At half price Recchi will cost about 600k, the Habs should grab him if they get the chance.

  113. Ali says:

    the happiest person in all of this must be Roman Hamrlik, hoping he can babysit O’Byrne instead of Breezer.

    And please, lets go with Bouillon and Gorges as the 3rd pairing!

  114. coutNY says:

    Or re-entrer him thru waivers in hopes of a team will pick up 1/2 his salary.

    ANd if it was his last days it will be sad, but not first time. They did to John Leclaire last year. Wlecome to the New NHL…salary driven system! Let’s hope he doesn’t not end up like LeClaire who was pick up for DWI last month in VT…

  115. T-roy West says:


    Why would you put Lats and Ryder on the same line as Koivu. Are you trying to punish Koivu, lol! I think the only way that could work is if Lats was the one getting his ass kicked standing in front of the goalie instead of Koivu. It would be better if you had Lats in front of the net, Koivu playing perimeter and someone who is strong and big enough to maintain the puck behind the net and make passes out front. As far as Grab’s centering the fourth line, I don’t think he would be available because he’s going to Hamilton.

  116. Pat8987 says:

    2a)Kotsy-Plekanec- Kovy (scoring line 1)
    2b)Higgins-Koivu-Lats (scoring line 2)
    4) Ryder- Chip- Dandenault or Smolinski (shut down line)
    4b) Kosto-Lapierre-Begin (energy line)

    1) Markov-Komi
    2)Hammer-Goerges (yes Georges)or Breeser

    Trade away Ryder+pick+goalie (not PRICE) for some a true second or first line player, and move lats to third line (rotate dandy and smolinski) they will push eachother…..

  117. Grabbed The Cup says:

    While Lapierre may add a much needed spark, O’Byrne is needed far more for his size, which the Habs lack on D and is as pressing a need as goal scoring right now.

  118. teamplayer says:

    glad to see grabovksi down in the ahl because itll help him out more playing every game downthere. hopefully its true and the two call ups will be in the lineup.
    that probably means gorges and brisebois will be sat more and as per which forwards thats a coin toss (seriously).
    as per the D playing forward, dandenault will most likely stay up front and streit will be back and forth until kost jr gets called up.

    Off topic: heard on sports 30 that max pacioretty(sorry about spelling) made the american Jr. team, unfortunately though ryan mcdonaugh and david fischer did not. Do the americans have that many good D in the jrs.

  119. TommyB says:

    As you stated, it clearly isn’t having the desired effect (less tired, more energy in the third period).

    I might be inclined to cut to three lines late in the game and go with the 9 forwards who showed the most up to that point, and the weakest of the “D” would ride the pine also.

    Understand one thing….this is not punishment to the players who are being shuttled to the sidelines, but rather: an effort to hold a lead if we have one, to gain a goal or two as insurance if needed, or to pull even on the scoreboard if we are behind.

    The reality is all players were not created equal, in talent or effectiveness. Go with your best when the occasion dictates.

  120. 24 Cups says:

    Question. Brisebois’ salary is listed as 1.4 mil but I have also seen it listed as $700000 base salary plus $700000 in possible bonus money. I wonder if this is true and I also wonder if the bonus money would be tied into number of games played or if it would kick in based on the Habs making the playoffs. I only bring this point up in terms of whether the Habs might buy Brisebois out or just keep him around as insurance in case of injury. If this is his last year then would it not be wiser to play Georges, O’Byrne, or Streit and see what they can really do (with an eye on next year)?

  121. Habs_008 says:

    TSN said these are the lines that were in practise today. Interesting, i dont know about Smolinski on line one. I would have liked Latendresse there, he wasnt playing bad on the Number 1 unit. I like the 3rd line, but i dont see Ryder coming out of this slump anytime soon….

    Higgins – Koivu – Smolinski
    Kostitsyn – Plekanec – Kovalev
    Begin/Lapierre – Kostopoulos – Ryder
    Latendresse – Chipchura – Dandenault

    Markov – Komisarek
    Hamrlik – O�Byrne
    Bouillon – Brisebois
    Gorges – Streit

  122. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Bang on Tommy, while Carbo’s idea is a noble one, the Habs simply don’t have the horses to roll 4.

  123. 24 Cups says:

    Not to belabour the Recchi thread but who would the Habs send down to Hamilton (that doesn’t have to clear waivers) in order to make room for him on the roster? Would it really make that much difference? And from Recchi’s perspective, why leave Pennsylvania after all these years to play out the string with a team that might or might not make the playoffs? He’s already played that card and won a Cup in Carolina for his efforts. Face father time, take the buyout, and retire with the dignity that you deserve.

  124. krob1000 says:

    Good Post…..sometimes you go on abour Price like I go on about Ryder but I think the point you are making about the system is right. The thingis though that Carbo let them run loose for a while and they fared very well. It was after a few glaring mistakes (Brisebois giveaway, Gorges, Komisarek early on that things tightened up. Balance a la Ottawa (not the last seven games) or Detroit is exactly what I think we are striving toward. Carbo is under the watch of Gainey as illustrated byt he Price decision. I think (pretty damn sure) there is a longer term plan in place and I am afraid it is affecting our game to game results and we don’t have any responsibility so we gauge things on a game to game basis.

    There is a blockbuster trade or signing in the works (maybe not in the next couple of weeks or maybe not even until the offseason)and that is certain given the subtle moves occurring. The cap is ultra important in this day and age and we are going to be in good shape for a while and I think our only real mistakes froma cap perspective are Bouillon, Begin and Dandenault. One of Bouillon or Dandenault will not be here in my estimation (although I like both). One of Kostopolous or Begin will also not be here in my estimation. Smolinski will not be resigned.

    Ryder and Huet control their own destinies. Brisebois will remain with the organization in a non-player capacity.

    Look at Montreal’s salaries on this site and you will see that we have most of our core signed through next season.
    If Gainey is right and the youth is ready to make the jump then we have a lot of cap space available and the ability to free up more. I think based onthis salary matrix our best bet is to try and mount a realistic contender for next season and for the next two after but next season seems to be realistic on paper (assuming we can get players to want to come here). We have enough young guys it seems and affordable semi-stars to provide the depth and now we just need one top ten or fifteen guy or two top 30 scorers and we are serious. This is all assuming (very positively)that the youth continues to develop at the rate they are (Lats, Chips, both Kosti’s , Grabs, O.B, Laps,Price,Gorges, Bulldogs).

    I still think we have a playoff team this year and that would go along way in the development of the younger players. We are still in the thick of things (I know we are only 27 games in) but if this is rock bottom than we don’t have it that bad.

    The ability of our youth to match the abilities of our depth lines (who make far more money)alone will give us huge cap space. All of the naysayers about a deal coming are not looking at things objectively. Deals and signings are very complicated in this day and age but they still happen and our team looks like it is shifting its assets to enter the market (trade or siging and waiving …I don’t know). I also expect that at some point this year basedon their play you will see Gainey try and lock up the youth longer term at affordable rates to keep them safe from Kevin Lowe.

  125. TommyB says:

    When I first saw Lapierre in a Habs uniform last year, I immediately like the guy. He worked his butt off…high energy. As far as I’m concerned, he stayed that way right through to the end of the season. I have no idea how he fell from grace and landed in Hamilton, but I will bet that he will make it very hard for the staff to demote him again. Of course, that is if he is given regular playing time and not brought up as a scare tactic.

    O’Byrne is a player who’s time has come. He is not being brought up to sub for an injured D-man, so I have to think he is going to be here to stay. Again, as long as it is not intended as a scare tactic as stated above with Lapierre.

    The defenceman playing as a forward scheme should come to an end. Dandenault maybe works out as a forward, but Streit clearly does not. Why is that? Streit looked comfortable last year as a forward. Whatever, time to put an end to this experiment.

    Too many bodies? Well if Mark Recchi can be put on waivers, then anyone on this team should be bright enough to see that the same can apply to them. There is no one on this team who can say their career tops Recchi’s!

    We may be seeing only the tip of the iceburg concerning roster moves on this team, and quite frankly, it is long overdue.

  126. saku11 says:

    Koivu and Higgins must really be getting tired of having a different right winger each game.

  127. TommyB says:

    I would also like to add….with Ottawa’s current slide, first place in the division was our’s for the taking, and we let that slip away. That is the part that really bugs me.

  128. Blitzen says:

    OMFG what is it with Smolinski? Is everyone in that organization totally blind? The guy is an over-the-hill underperforming expensive liability this year and plays on the first line? Guys in Hamilton must be calculating how many years they have left before leaving for a different organization…

  129. Grabbed The Cup says:

    They don’t neccessarily have to make room that way, there are other options.

    I believe Recchi could make a difference, especially on a team being forced to play two defensemen as forwards.

    I don’t see why Recchi wouldn’t have Montreal on his short list, he’s famailiar with the city and has a great friend on the no. 1 line, where he could concievably end up.

    Recchi doesn’t strike me as the type that would retire mid-season.

  130. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Yes it’s a lost opportunity, but over the long haul the Habs really don’t stand a chance of beating out Ottawa. On the bright side, a modest winning streak can put them right back in fourth place since no team has distanced itself from the pack, east or west.

  131. TommyB says:

    GTC, good to hear from you. I know you are right, but it would have been nice to say, even if just for one week or a couple of days, WE ARE FIRST IN THE DIVISION!

  132. Habs64 says:

    Lapierre is an energy pest like player and will add a lot to the lineup IMO!!

    O’Byrne will be a monster and destroy opponents like they are made of paper!!

  133. Bouleau noir says:

    What is our hochey philosophy in Montreal ?

    Our organization doesn’t have one neither does our coaching staffs.

    Once again our team has lost his identity, plays without a head on his shoulder and is showing the puck control level we found at the peewee

    The CH could mustered an innoffensive 4 shots on goal in the third last night,…. the fans were laughing at them silly shots…. Montreal IS Hochey….. com’on hochey is sick in Montreal.

    Detroit’s organization HAS a hochey philosophy, a strong sens of direction that influence the building aspects of all its activitys and the team’s incredible stability year after year is a testament to that.

    The Wing has that,.. but they have more…. they also have the WRIGHT hochey philosophy….. they dont just win year after year, they do it with panache,.. where offense is a priority and where individual and collective puck control lead to a puck possession type of game that is as spectacular as it is effecient.

    I think the fans at the Bell yesterday wanted to cry because they saw the best and the worst of what hochey is all about,…. this should be a wake up call for our oganization and our coaching staffs.

    What is wrong with us ?

    The more we went on last season the less we were able at handling and controlling the puck…. the opposite should happen of course,… but not here, not under this management and not the way they are coached.

    So here we are again and the same thing is taking place,… as Carbo said, going down to basics….. NOOO not to basic AGAIN !

    Why cant we fly a bit longuer with the G—mned puck,… why cant we integrated our talented prospects better,.. what will happen to Grabovski and where are Perezhogin and Emelin…. they are probably having fun playing some fun hochey elsewhere.

  134. ccs says:

    I really think that Lapierre will help the team in a big way. What we have lacked all year long is a player who can get under the skin of the opposition. Last year he really seemed to do that very well. And now we finally have a big body on defence to make life more difficult for the other teams.

  135. Erik says:

    I gotta say im pumped about the call up for laps. He can really get on the opposition and be a thorn in there side so to speak. good move

  136. kevin m says:

    Very good points Bouleau Noir. I also agree that the direction of this team is rudderless.

    You have a saying in French that sums up our team’s dilema pretty well: “Le poisson commence a pourrir par la tete”

  137. Haber for life says:

    I’ve been reading lots of posts about what the problems may be in Habs town, and why our beloved team went from a fast skating – puck moving team to one that looks like they don’t know what they are doing out on the ice. I will tell you the answer: its poor coaching!

    I’ve played competitive team sports all my life, and the signs that I see with the Habs right now all point to the players not believing in the coach or his system anymore. At the start of the year, Carbo picked some lines, the players think “great, this is where I am and these are my line mates…and this is our style…we out-skate teams, move pucks fast and play nice offense, while also trying to work hard on our defense”. They dominate for a while and everything is great. But then they lose a couple of games, and Carbo starts switching lines….a big mistake in not showing some patience…. putting Ryder on the 3rd and 4th lines…right away, that kills some of the confidence not just in Ryder, but other playes too…I remember Carbo started switching lines even when the Habs were winning games, trying to “perfect” all 4 lines! Hey Carbo, no such thing as perfect ok.

    Now back to my point: What happens when a coach starts jumbling lines is that players start to think “This guy is not sure what the F%%% he is doing….why does he change things every practice? Why is he changing the style we are supposed to play? Why is he changing his philosophy a 3rd of the way into the season?” I can totally see this in their body language (like I said, I’ve been in many locker rooms and seen this before, even at the amateur level) where players just don’t beleive in the coach anymore. Carbo has effectively killed Ryders confidence, and now Koivu is not playing hard for him anymore, and niether will Kovy in the next little while. This is what happens when a coach loses his players’ confidence in his abilities…

    And you can see it reflected on the ice…no real apparent system, not much effort, no cohesion, no morale…all signs that Carbo has lost the room. Too bad cause I really like him as a player and person, but he is not a very good tactical coach. Unfortunately, there’s not much Bob can do about it right now.

    I would love to hear what others think of this (Dave?).

    Sorry for the rant!

  138. gmd says:

    Can we bring up Lever and send Carbo down?

  139. kevin m says:

    Did you notice that the Red Wings who “entertained” us here last night played like those Canadien dynasty teams of 1976-1979 under the tuteledge of one Scotty Bowman?

    His “team” philosophy can also still be seen in the Buffalo Sabres organization. How come the Sabres, who lost their two franchise players to free agency this year are still able to compete?

  140. Habs_008 says:

    I like Carbo as coach, I dont think its 100% his fault, the players have to play. For some reason they are not right now. We get 20-25 shots a game. I think a goal is scored once every 10 shots or so in the NHL. So 2.5 goals isnt gonna cut it. Carbo is just trying to find a line that can put the puck in the net on a regular basis. We havent had a line like that in…well …in a long long time. We never had one last year. Maybe the players Carbo has arent good enough.

  141. T-roy West says:

    I love the fact you are so positive under current situations, how do you do it. I agree that the future looks bright but only if the right players will come here to fill the holes otherwise were in for a rough time. I think that Lafleur was kinda right but it’s not that we have 4 fourth lines but that our team is made up of some second line but mostly third and fourth line player’s. On the same note they might shine on other teams but unfortunately not ours because of our style( if we have one ). I would love to talk about the positives but right now there’s not many to see. I would love to have Vinny or Iginla on our team and our style was more complete ( a little less defence more offence ).

    P.S. I’ve watched lots of film on Sergi Kostitsyn and he really plays a physical game and doesn’t shy away from contact. People are saying that he has a me first attitude and that’s not what we need but I think he is just acting up because he really wants to play for us and with his brother. If Edmonton and Chicago are playing Kane and Gagne than I think we should play Kostitsyn junior. Not sure if he is a better playmaker than scorer though. What is your thoughts on that?

  142. Chuck says:

    I’d kill if we could score 2.5 goals per game right now! :)

    “Vote Saku for All-Star… or little Timmy gets it!!!”

  143. krob1000 says:

    I think Carbo was doing a fantastic job coaching this team up until the Ryder situation. I think you are proably right in the constant juggling aspect but I think the confidence issue is of the utmost importance. Confidence is necessary….more necessary than any other factor. I do think guys are probably starting to lose faith in him but in the back of my mind I find it hard to believe that the Montreal Canadiens do not have better brainpower than us here at this site. I beleive they are slowly carrying out a far more grand plan (as indicated my the subtle and not so subtle moves of late). We did have some success at the beginning and for all we know guys may have got cocky or started dictating their own style(just a made up speculation…but isn’t everything we say). We know what happened to Lapierre when he got complacent.

    There are many leadership groups who believe the best way to maximize your groups output is to break them down and then build them back up (obviously far more difficult as a group). This is what made Mike Keenan good in his prime but now players have things far more cushy and fear mongering won’t work as well…it still does have an effect though. Perhaps this is the “philosophy” in attempting to rid the organization of its losing attitude and habits acquired over the alst several years. If you notice the youth all(most anyway) seem to be very confident.

    I am hoping that this stretch of games is an experiment and observation period to see who gives up, who gives more and who we need to give away. As I have pointed out in my other post I do beleive there is some serious shuffling go on here (not the lines ….with regards to personnel) and the line juggling may be part of testing the waters for different scenarios (this is my hope anyway). I can’t believe that Doug Jarvis, Guy Carbonneau, Kirk Muller and Bob Gainey are just messing things up for fun or simply abusing their power.

    Those are my rose coloured glasses in combination with my post asserting that many players are going to be waived, moved or bought out(before next season). If you assume my very optimistic approach has even an ounce of validity it is nice to note that several key players have not given up regardless of the circumstance they have been placed in. A few have let up and for that reason they may not be long for the organization. It is easy to be on top but when the Chips are down is when you really find out about character.

    This is what I am going to choose to believe so from here on in that’s my story and I’m sticking to it.

  144. Hobie Hansen says:

    The second I saw Mark Streit penciled in on a forward line with Saku Koivu I knew the Habs had hit the wall.
    It looks like they had a good training camp and got off to a fast start but unfortunately the majority of teams have found their legs and are playing better as a unit.
    The only hope for the Habs to make the playoffs is to really buckle down on defense and continue to work on their power play.
    Bob Gainey did what he could to obtain more firepower but failed so the Habs can’t go end to end with most teams. Slow the game down and let Carey Price see the puck is their only hope.

  145. saku11 says:

    I would agree with that

  146. Girth says:

    I’ll preface this by stating that I wouldn’t have hired Carbo, or any other rookie for that matter. (Tremblay, Julien, Therien, Carbo)

    However, now that the man is in place, and learning/fine tuning his new craft, I believe that we need to take the current situation into perspective. The team is facing a number of challenges and he is learning how to balance all of the variables, including how to effectively use the media to his advantage.

    I don’t believe there is a quick fix. We can only hope that if/when the team eventually works it’s way into serious contention, that he has experienced enough to effectively manage the situation.

    In short… the coach may not be ready… but neither are most of the players. This adversity, if addressed appropriately, could be character building.

  147. cautiousoptimist says:

    Well, Lats played great on this line last year, when Higgins was out, and more than earned his ice time. He’s picking up his game now too, with 7 goals in not a lot of ice time. He ranks 2nd among Habs in shooting percentage, and has scored more often than Ryder and Kostitsyn put together – if he plays with more talented forwards, he’ll score even more and reach his potential more quickly. He also hits hard and often, will stick up for Koivu, and can hold his own in the slot. Ryder’s shot, Koivu’s playmaking and Latendresse’s size – it makes sense.

    Grabs can come back at any time, and I’m sure he will. Smolinski’s days are numbered unless his play improves, and his spot will be Grabovski’s for the taking, with Chipchura centering the shutdown line instead. We won’t have two defencemen playing forward forever either, so there will be openings at forward.

    And I smell a trade!

  148. cautiousoptimist says:

    I don’t understand this one either… Ryder pots 85 goals in his first three years, and he’s on the third or fourth line. Smolinski hasn’t scored more than 19 goals since 00-01, and he’s the top-line RW?

    I’d take Ryder over Smolinski any day of the week.

  149. fun police says:

    character building? we went through this last year and are no better for it this year. a good coach learns from his mistakes, does his best not to repeat them. yet here we are again. mixing and matching like he is shopping at a used mattress store. defensemen on the first line. two defensemen as forwards! thirty goal scorer on the fourth line surrounded with so called energy players. we have so many “energy” players we should be able to light up the bell centre. carbo has shown that he has no patience with skilled players, yet the patience of job with grinders like himself. carbo, still to this date, rolls four lines. is he worried about getting a call from begins parents about not getting fair icetime. do you think babcock cares about his fourth line, even his third line. our fourth line plays more than most teams third lines. are we that deep? carbo is on a mission to show that muckers and grinders can win, and be successful on any line.

  150. AdamG says:

    well, i’d say a few reasons:

    -good coaching
    -players’ belief in their coach, his system and themselves
    -60 minutes of hard work per night
    -a willingness to battle for pucks
    -willingness to back each other up

    i mean, do the Habs fall in to any of those categories? i don’t think so. not even close.

  151. Wops says:

    No way, Lever is coaching exactly like Carbo,

    if we change our coach, let’s not have a rookie coach this time. Getting sick and tired of fire coachs every 2-3 years…

    even if Lever was an assistant coach in the NHL for more than 10 years, it is not the same as being a head coach..

    CH if for Chris Higgins

  152. AdamG says:

    only problem is, like we saw last year, lapierre is on his own. aint nobody on this team who’s going to back him up. how will that affect him in the long run? once o’byrne and lapierre realize that this team is petrified of other teams, what will motivate them to do some police work?

  153. saku11 says:

    I think this is a very likely scenario. A coaching change would in all likelihood get this team playing again. Look at what happened to the Thrashers when Bob Hartley was fired. They changed from a dump-and-chase team to puck possession and Kovalchuk suddenly started lighting it up. Hossa as well. Same scenario in Columbus, Gerard Galant gets fired, Hitchcock comes in, changes the system, suddenly Columbus is competitive and Rick Nash plays to his potential. I’m not saying it’s right for the players to give up on their coach, but the fact of the matter is that if they don’t believe in what he’s preaching, we’re not gonna win hockey games.

    There’s still a little time for Carbo to turn it around but if it doesn’t happen soon, Gainey’s gonna have to step in. The Habs might not be as good as they looked at the beginning of the season, but they’re definitely not as bad as they’re playing right now and are more than capable of making the playoffs.

  154. ebk says:

    you are probably right, the players are not good enough. A lot of people were blowing smoke up Bob Gainey’s butt earlier, discrediting people who thought the Habs had problems as ‘Not true Hab fans’ and B.S. like that. Gainey had a horrible summer and he needs to be held to account as well, not just carbo and not just the players.

  155. AdamG says:

    i think, based on these lines, it’s obvious carbo doesn’t know what he’s doing with them. i mean, smolinski on the first line? why? why not put latendresse back up there? 6 even strength goals, and we put him on the checking line. good call.

  156. ColoradoHab says:

    Sadly, I would have to agree. The players don’t seem to be playing like they believe in their coach. I liked Carbs as a player and was hopeful that he would be a great coach.

    I think we are as good a team as we were in the first 15 games. The confusing line juggling is giving the players the feeling that their coach is lost and doesn’t know what to do, and now they’re lost.

  157. T-roy West says:

    I think I’ve seen enough of Ryder and I’m no fan of Smolinski either. I hope there is a trade if only for the sake of something different…anything!!!

    T-roy West


    only dead fish go with the flow

  158. Bill says:

    It’s a theory. For me, I don’t buy it. For one thing, the players don’t have to ‘believe’ in a coach, or even like him. They just have to play. Painting this as a tale of lost faith is a bit of a stretch.

    Another thing, while I understand that you “have played competitive sports all your life”, it is worth noting that Carbonneau has too … many of those years being spent in the NHL playing (very good) professional hockey. I’m trying to phrase this nicely … don’t you think that Carbo knows what you know? Because it sounds like you think he doesn’t.

    Basically, you suggest that a promising team is now losing because their frail collective psyche and spirit have been damaged by their panicky and ignorant coach’s decisions, which are so inept that even we, the public, would know better. On the other hand, say he hadn’t done ANY of the things you cite: say he’d left the lines intact and the Habs went on a losing streak and he wasn’t switching them up. We’d all now be shouting how stupid he is for sticking with the status quo, and how it was making the players complacent. I mean, I don’t know much, but I KNOW that’s what would happen! So I guess I think you’re reading a lot into the situation.

    Maybe you’re right. I just think it’s more likely that the Habs’ players are not as good as the players on the other teams.

  159. coutNY says:

    Experiencing the same slump also..LOL

  160. Bouleau noir says:

    Both were shosen by Gainey,… his team is probably getting out-shot on a regulard basis as well… its in the genes.

  161. Bouleau noir says:

    It wont work,.. buckling down on defence and we will be dead meat just like last season….. remember hight PP efficiency is useless if the team has a low number of PP opportunitys per game which is precisely what happen when you dont pressurise the other team in their offensive zone…. playing anti-hochey is a recipe for disaster in the newNHL.

  162. Habs Suck says:

    Call on Jacques Demers, a bonafide coach with a proven track record at the NHL level. Whether he’d want to come out of retirement is another question. I think he’s still got what it takes to lead an average team into the playoffs, like in ’93 (that was a cinderella story, but he did lead the team nevertheless). He won Jack Adams two years consecutive in 87 & 88 with Detroit. This guy has what it takes and still has many years in him to build a contender.

  163. Jonnyboy says:

    the coach

  164. cautiousoptimist says:

    Good points coutNY.

    In my book, if it’s good for a suspension, it’s good for 20 games and a $200,000 team fine that counts against the cap, as well as a hefty personal fine that’s calculated as a percentage of the offending player’s salary. Just watch those from-behind head-shot crosschecks disappear.

    Can someone tell me what the point of a 2-game suspension is? Is it so the guy can have a long weekend in to work on his tan somewhere? We’re talking potentially career-ending stuff here, or worse. Enough pussyfooting around.

  165. arcosenate says:

    We need a shakeup badly, I hope this is it. I know what LaPierre can and cannot do, I do hope he provides a sparkplug and decides to go to the net. Something which had been missing as of late. As for Byrne, let’s see if he can knock some people down who go to our net! I feel bad for Ryder, he’s not even getting chances now, it’s looking pretty desperate. I like the guy and I hope he breaks out of this horrible slump!!

  166. Naila Jinnah says:

    This is so very exciting!!!! We will hopefully see a different team on the ice on Thursday, because lets face it, if you call someone up, you’d expect them to play

  167. Cable Guy says:

    I guarantee you they will be playing tomorrow night.

  168. downeast hab says:

    I think seeing the way things are going, why dont they put the original lines in place that they started out with, and train those players to work together. How can a team keep switching lines, and expect the players to adjust to other players. Carbo is in panic mode, and needs a shot of that stuff they give to players when they are stunned, and forget how to count to five. to bring him around.Or maybe some horseradish

  169. Geoff F says:

    Some of you guys kill me. Before the season even started everyone was saying that Carbo was a bum. Then the season started and he was a genius. Now suddenly he’s a bum again. (reminds me of last season) Remember that a season is not made up of one or even a few games. If they were able to win before then there’s no reason they shouldn’t be able to win now. A season is like a bunch of waves, you just try to ride over them as they come. (Look at the Leafs and Sens). The Habs are NOT the Red Wings so they have to fight tooth and nail to get any results, there are NO easy games for the Habs. Apparently our little win streak early on made everyone think we were much better than we are. We are not as bad as we are now and not as consistently good as we were early on. We are very good when EVERYONE is contributing from the Goalie out! When one or more of the players are not hitting all cylinders the results are evident and the effects seem to spread to the rest of the guys. We’ll figure it out and we shouldn’t get over the top about it. I don’t understand the value of kicking the guys while they are down. Carbo is not responsible for Ryder not scoring, or for Crappy goals or for the fact that we don’t have a couple of consistent and gifted scorers on this team.

    Carbo juggles the lines to see what chemistry/offence he can muster given that nobody is giving him any real consistent scoring options. I think we seem to have forgotten that we aren’t scoring goals 5 on 5. That’s not insignificant, if you aren’t balanced it will eventually bite you in the butt because teams will adjust. I too believe that Carbo should not juggle as furiously as he does, sometimes you need to ride it out a little and let people figure it out on their own. Stick to the plan and let the lines figure it out. I do believe that it does smack of panic and that it can affect the teams morale but you can’t just point the finger and blame Carbo for everything. He is trying to shake the team out of complacency, it’s not working so he’ll try something else. You can criticise all you want but you all know that when the winning resumes you’ll all be on the Carbo bandwagon. Let the team ride this one out they’ll turn things around. THese guys aren’t idiots…they will do what is necessary to get the team on the right track, lets give these guys a break.

    Nobody stands over your shoulder and criticizes every movement you make, or comments on every little thing you do good or bad. He’s learning…they’re all learning.

    The boys need some confidence and it starts by winning a game and then another and then soon the team will sort itself out.

    It’s amazing how quickly we end up running around screaming that the sky is falling. Admittedly it’s no fun to see the boys lose or perform poorly however they’ll figure it out and they’ll make the necessary changes. They won before there’s no reason they couldn’t win again, work hard and the results will come. Carbo is passionate and a winner let’s have some faith and cut the guy some slack. It’s not easy being a coach with this many armachair coaches critiquing your every move. In a way i don’t envy the guy.

    I just hope the boys can get a few wins and sort this thing out soon for their own sake. We aren’t the only Habs fans…there are a bunch of them in that locker room who would love nothing more than to win a game and eventually the cup, let’s all try to remember that.

    Sorry for the long sermon…i just believe that the glass half full is a better thought than the glass being half empty.


    People, just BELIEVE!!!!

  170. krob1000 says:

    Well said!!

  171. Habs Suck says:

    I for one have never been convinced that Carbo is coaching material, but I was always willing as a fan to give the guy a chance and even defend him (I loved him as a player). However, it’s the same story again this year. I am now convinced he is not NHL coaching material – maybe an assistant, but not the chief!

    I understand that everyone is learning, but at this level the learning curve has to be steep. In Carbo’s case (and many players) it’s not! This isn’t preschool, people! An organization with great history and pride should be embarrassed with the lack of coaching ability that has been displayed. Problem is that Carbo’s pride has blurred his sight of reality: he’s not coaching very well, lacks creativity & motivational skills, and is losing his players respect and willingness to play under him.

    I could see a jr. A coach criticizing his players publicly – or maybe not – but to shoot down a couple of your best NHL players after a sad loss? Unacceptable!!!

    Constantly juggling lines to find a nice combo? We’re not picking locks here – Everyone loses!!!

    Benching players that work hard every night and produce in their respective jobs while playing guys that are not working or showing that they just don’t have what it takes to help the team win? Poor judgment.

    This is the NHL. This is the Montreal Canadiens hockey club. Our coaches and players need to live up to the standards set before them. If not… buh-bye!

    Somebody should call Jacques Demers back behind the bench!!!!! He could transform this sad team into a contender… this season!!! He is creative, motivating, and in touch with his players.

    Finally, it’s been mentioned by more than one hockey analyst/commentator that Koivu’s time is up here (12 years), and he needs to have a chance to play for a true contender this season. Food for thought…

  172. Habs_008 says:

    They will play tomorrow night, well they make a difference? I think they will for the short term. The question is well they for the long term?

  173. Will Longlade says:

    That move makes for a very crowded press box. I don’t think B.G. is finished. A trade is in the works, possibly with the Flames or Oilers.

  174. Derek says:

    I pray your right. I hope it’s Calgary rather than Edmonton… Calgary has better players, just bad doings on defence without Hamrlik (hehehehe)

  175. Renegade says:

    This is good to see. Although I like Grabovski, and think he has a bright future in the NHL, as I’m sure Gainey sees as well, hes not ready to shine yet.

    Calling up Lapierre and O’Byrne will make a difference, both on offense and defense.

  176. krob1000 says:

    Lapierre is not offensive. He is a super pest and it would be nice to see him start scoring as well but he is a checker and hard worker who will drop his gloves if warranted. Any offense out of him will be a bonus.

  177. Habs_008 says:

    Laps is our “Avery”, hopefully he can focus the attention on him while someone, ANYONE puts in a goal or two.

  178. Angry Almond says:

    Any truth to the rumor that Saku’s been traded to Boston? My daughter heard it on the radio…she says….

  179. Habs-Kat says:

    I was at the game last night and I noticed something – the Habs couldn’t penetrate the Red Wings defense. They were always on the perimeter and even when they had an odd-man break they would all diverge to the sideboards and it would turn into a forecheck. Its ridiculous. Put Lapierre on one of the big lines so that someone finally gets to the net.

    I also noticed that it seemed like the Red Wings would freely move around behind the net on both sides of the rink all night. Whenever the Habs went behind the net on either side (excluding Komisarek), there was always a white shirt nagging and pressuring. I think O’Byrne will help in that respect when on defense. As for up front, Latendresse should be doing that but he’s being a bum (that coming from a Lats fan).

  180. LTHF says:

    Some great comments and some not so great, I know something had to be done but not so sure that this move is going to do anything offensively. In the last 8 games the habs have scored 16 goals, and they scored 8 of those in 2 games. Dont think Lapierre is suddenely going to increase the goal production, however, hopefully he will play like last year, and at least have something positive to look at.

  181. TommyB says:

    Would you trade your captain to a team you play tomorrow night? That should answer the question.

    (although, stranger things have happened)

  182. Angry Almond says:

    Thanks Tommy. She came running down here (she’s 6) and insisted she heard it on the radio…she’s not one to make things up, however, and I thought there may have been breaking news…even though I couldn’t find it here or on the Toronto Sports Network…

  183. Uwey says:

    An observation I have made is that our goaltending starts out really well every season in the past several, but as the season goes on, it goes downhill.

    Even Abby had a very good November last season, then the more he played, the worse he got, as did Huet!!!

    It seems to me the only constant here is goalie coach Rollie Melanson.

    As the seasons have progressed over the past two or three, the more our goaltenders play, the more it seem they are dropping to their knees way to early on shots & plays.

  184. TommyB says:

    You can bet that TSN would have that info if it was there, especially since it would cast the Habs in a dark cloud. You know, “desparate habs grasping at straws – trade their courageous captain”..,more on this later in the show, but now…your (and our) beloved Maple Leafs have won 3 games in a row……blah blah blah

  185. Mike says:

    I’m not gonna comment on the game at all because people have done it countless times.

    All im gonna post are my propsed lines.

    begin- chips- lats-
    grabs- laps- dandy

    brisbois/georges -bouillion

  186. Les-Habitants says:

    I agree with you there completely, but whats more troublesome then our lack of scoring is that we’ve let 40+ shots in the past 3 games, with 4 goals against in each game.

    Neither Lapierre or O’Byrne are going to add anything offensively, but hopefully they will bring a level of reliabilty to the team when playing 5 on 5. If we become more defensively sound, then we’ll win more hockey games.

  187. 24 Cups says:

    She’s six? I wouldn’t allow her to follow the fortunes of the Montreal Canadiens. Not if you want her to grow up and be a well adjusted adult! Need proof? Just look at some the people that post on this site – including yours truly:-) We’ve all got a screw loose!!!

  188. Les-Habitants says:

    Today’s practise lineups, according to TSN, were:

    Higgins – Koivu – Smolinski
    Kostitsyn – Plekanec – Kovalev
    Latendresse – Chipchura – Dandenault
    Begin – Lapierre – Kostopolous, (with Ryder also skating with the 4th line)

    Markov – Komisarek
    Hamrlik – O�’Byrne
    Bouillon – Brisebois
    Gorges – Streit

    Smolinski hasn’t been playing well at centre, and can put the puck in the net, so that move makes sense at least. For the d-pairings, I say they go with the top 4 and use Gorges and Streit as the 3rd pairing.

  189. fun police says:

    smolinski on the first line. carbo is the only coach who rewards bad play with time on the first line.

  190. Ed says:

    How can we disagree with you? There are 185 comments so far on 2 players coming up from the AHL, & 1 going down. An awful lot of us on this site live & die by the HABS’ fortunes. Some see sport as a way to escape from everyday pressures, but it’s no fun if your team is mostly losing. The young posters on here, as they grow older, will realize that they should try not to be adversely affected by their team’s misfortunes. After all, sport is not life and death for us. It is supposed to be entertainment, and not a means to develop ulcers, high blood pressure, etc.

  191. Ed says:

    Would it help if we were allowed, against Boston, to use all 4 players on the 4th line? How exactly do you practice with 4 players on one line? One of the players must receive less ice time, just like in the games.

  192. Chorske says:

    Oh MAN, do I ever disagree with you on this one. The only constant is more than 30 shots per game, every game, for months on end, which wears a brother out. Plus, playing goal in front of a porous defense that doesn’t attentively clear rebounds, requiring goalies to cover the lower 1/3 of the net with the butterfly.

    Do NOT diss Rollie. That man has helped so-so goalies with potential make this team look better than it is.

  193. Will Longlade says:

    Either Smokes is being showcased before the Habs move him or they are looking to light a fire under his butt. The former may be overzealous speculation, but it would be really nice if it were true.

  194. showey47 says:

    has carbo asked her to play right wing with koivu yet

  195. showey47 says:

    how about carbo try something different tomorrow night and give his top 2 lines 20 plus min’s a game instead of the 16-17 they get now. Rumour has it if you play your offensivly gifted players more often they may score more goals maybe even 5 on 5 goals. Your fourth line should not be getting almost 15 mins a game of ice time. The most they get on any team is 7 or 8 mins. I agree that you have to get all 4 lines involved early on in the game to get there legs going but after that carbo has to be alot more strategic with his lines.

    I’m going back to my statement last night that these boys are quiting on their coach and i for one would love to see gainey back behind the bench as an interm then look for a replacement in the off season

  196. Les-Habitants says:

    It’s like when you have an extra player in practise, you rotate into the drills. The majority of practises don’t use full line combinations, there are a lot of 2 on 2s ect…but in short, the ‘extra players’ do sometimes get lost in the shuffle

  197. Les-Habitants says:

    I dunno, I would really see it has he’s making sure all 4 lines are good. Smokes does have offensive flair, and with Lapierre moving in it allows Carbo to solidify his energy (Begin – Lapierre – Kostopolous) and checking lines (Lats – Chip – Dandy). Smokes is a veteran, and to be honest, who else would fit there without dismantling the 2nd line…besides Lats?

  198. G-Man says:

    Smolinski has a no trade clause. Won’t happen.

  199. G-Man says:

    Right on, Chorske.

  200. Oprah says:

    Add to that “no trade value.”

  201. G-Man says:

    Time for size, intensity and hitting. One or two small players on the club if they are skilled, but the Habs simply have too many. In the new NHL, speed and size matter. The time for average sized D-men is almost over, what with Fisher and McDonagh in the pipeline. Imagine, the smallest D-man in 2 seasons will be Markov!

    It’s time to sit the vets who don’t produce, period. These are grown men being paid millions so there are no excuses. Only con artists with agents would be paid so much for doing so little. Bench ’em, Carbo, it’s time for actions, not words! Oops!


  202. Uwey says:

    What so-so goalies has he made better???

  203. showey47 says:

    I’m a little concerned about fischer, he should of been a shoe in for the usa team. I really hope he isn’t a bust. I hope subban and white can crack team canada.

  204. The Cat says:

    Good move. Finally some beef.

  205. Will Longlade says:

    Darn, no trade clauses really suck. It doesn’t make any sense to give one to a borderline player nearing the end of his career. But I guess this is precisely why players insist on it.

  206. skoehn says:

    ok heres whats about to happen the habs will cream boston as they have the last few games… i believe they chased the goalie… anyway point being habs do well aganist boston so they will win everyone will praise price,the called up boys carbo and then the next game everything will fall apart i can totally see this

  207. skoehn says:

    good point ALL THE WAY WIT HUET!!!!!

  208. Jonnyboy says:

    I disagree that Rollie Melanson is to blame.

    However there was at least one painful early drop to the knees last night.

  209. Yeats says:

    I’ve seen him play a few games for the Golden Golphers. He’s a steady defenseman, but I would have expected far more from a first rounder.

  210. gumper says:

    Carbo’s answer to everything…keep on shuffling. Digging a little deeper into the Bulldogs deck is unlikely to provide a winning hand. The cards are cold right now. We all know how long it can take for them to warm up again. Feels like it could be a long one. Victories against Boston and Toronto are imperative. Otherwise, we are officially in freefall.

  211. Jonnyboy says:

    haha, its so ture. they have some painfully written articles.

  212. Habs-Kat says:

    So can I, but thats Montreal.

  213. Habs-Kat says:

    Actually, it does make a difference even if Lapierre and O’Byrne don’t produce. It means that there are more people looking for a regular job in the lineup – which means the pressure is on the starters. More people to be benched.

  214. showey47 says:

    Well a 6’4″ steady dman wouldn’t be a bad thing i guess, but offensive upside would be nice. But i guess its just like any player drafted after the top 5 in the draft, pretty much a crap shoot as long as he has the raw tools he will have potential. On a side note i just saw garth murray get pounded by chris neil.

  215. showey47 says:

    Exactly, i think alot of players are getting a little too comfortable with the success they had early on in the season. They seemed to forget that victories came with working hard each and every shift. I can really see obyrne stealing the number 4 and playing with hamrlik. Gorges should keep the number 5 job and play with streit as the bottom pairing. This leaves brisebois as the number 7 and bouillon as tradebait or placed on waivers and hope someone else takes him cause at 1.8 million, that is expensive for a bottom pairing defenceman

  216. showey47 says:

    not line juggling, just better ice time management.

  217. HigginsIsABeast says:

    Woah… way to shake it up.
    I bet a lot of people on this site are happy with these roster moves remembering the pre-season discussion.
    Let’s hope this can generate a turnaround. Lapierre is definitely someone who can boost the energy of this team. He works hard and I got this mental picture of him closing down Crosby last year. It should also be interesting to see O’byrne in action. Hope he isn’t a pylon.

  218. Bouleau noir says:

    Why not playing Kovy on two lines on occasion, I mean smaller players a la Datsuk and Zetterberg played 23-4 minutes a game,.. I will always remember when on the last period of our last game against TO last season Carbo kept giving the grinders prime time like if it was the first period of the first game of the season… ho la la.

  219. Maffu says:

    The Bruins are on fire…
    right now they are up 3-0 against the Devils and Martin Brodeur…

  220. Habs Suck says:

    The thing is that a lot of the players have been working hard without results. Bigger problem is a shallow talent pool.

    Here’s my basic breakdown grades (with understanding that some with less pure talent are role players):

    Kovy, Koivu, and maybe Pleks = A-

    Higgins, Kostitsyn, Chipchura, Lats = B

    Kostop, Smolinksi, Ryder, Begin = C


    Markov, Komi, Hamrlik = B+

    everyone else = C or worse

    Huet = B+
    Price = B-
    Halak = C (based on last year in NHL)

    Head Coach = C-

    We need at least one A level forward, one more B+ forward, and another B+ D-man. But, most importantly, the Habs need a bonafide proven NHL head coach in order to contend even with the present team. The intangible of coaching makes a huge difference in the W – L columns. It affects morale, team spirit, chemistry and more.

  221. gumper says:

    Some hungry players (and Lapierre ought to be that) might inject some enthusiasm. But, I’m not sure it’s comfort the players are feeling right now. More like lack of motivation to play for a coach with a confused sense of direction. And, showey47, don’t forget that during preseason O’Byrne looked like a rather large pylon more than once. I think he’ll eventually be a regular, but you might be accelerating the process a little with your defence projections. I guess, like my grouchy namesake, I’m cynically saying, don’t get your hopes too high for this move.

  222. TradeRyder says:

    The one positive thing I saw on tv following the Habs humiliation by the Red Wings is that Carbo seemed humbled. I think that’s what he needs more of. He’s a proud guy which is great… but pride can get in the way of making good decisions. Bring in the reinforcements, remember that it’s your job to create a winning environment, not to shell your own team with criticism. If they’re losing, you’re losing. Figure out why and fix it. That’s your job!

    Thanks for the line changes I asked for Carbs! Now, do the defense!

  223. slamtherimtim says:

    The Montreal Canadiens today announced that they have recalled forward Maxim Lapierre and defenceman Ryan O’Byrne from the Hamilton Bulldogs of the American Hockey League.

    i’m not sure but i think they finally listened to me , now make a trade and we have as good of a chance as anyone to win the cup

  224. Habs Suck says:

    Habs will have a hard time beating Boston. Factors to consider: Mtl is on a big slide and Boston is on an upswing = confidence will be on the Bruins’ side. This is no walk in the park, people.

  225. Habs Suck says:

    Pointing the finger at a couple of scapegoat players is not my picture of humility; it wreaks of pride. Perhaps the more appropriate description of Carbo is humiliation!

  226. coutNY says:

    Niedermayer … Back for the Ducks

  227. Habs Suck says:

    Hamilton sucks as bad as the Habs do right now – not pretty. They’re in worse shape than Mtl. Calder cup is not even in the remote future for Hamilton. Take a look at the AHL standings.

  228. habsernyk says:

    I agree with gumper- this move reeks of desperation on Carbo’s part. While I don’t agree with doing nothing when things are bad, I do think that Carbo never really gave things a chance to settle when we were winning. Now that we’re losing, his shuffling has gone into overdrive.

    IMO- whatever has happened to the Habs to cause this slump happened in the loss to Ottawa on Nov.10. I thought they played fantastic that game but blew it late (go figure!) Since then, the Habs look like a team expecting to lose. Early in the season they were a team playing like they had a chance to win. The 3rd period against Det was painful to watch. They barely skated, let alone try to score to win. They had 2 powerplays while down by only 2. A goal on either and anything can happen- right down to the final seconds. As the announcers on VS. said it looked like Det was up by 5 or 6 goals.

    All the talk has been about Markov being off his game, but what about Koivu? and Higgins? Koivu looks like he’s calling it in. There seems to be no passion in his play- cute passes to no one and plenty of turnovers. I remember a time not so long ago- Oct actually- where that line had extended pressure in the offensive zone and controlled the play. Ryder was blamed for lack of goals and was moved- no change. Now they have Streit (a horrible idea)- no change. Anyone notice a pattern?

    Go Habs!

  229. WindsorHab-10 says:

    What goes up must come down and vise versa.

  230. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Give me a break. Huet is important to this team but don’t think for one second that he would’ve made a difference last night. The whole team stunk and not even Patrick Roy would’ve saved them.

  231. El Guapo says:

    O’Byrne es muy macho, puede romper cabesas como un hombre grande!

  232. SUMO says:

    In Bob we trust.

    I like the call ups. The play of KYLE CHIPCHURA has forced the Habs to make him their #3 Centre. He started the year in the press box but now they can pencil him in for the next 10years as their shut down centre. Not sure where they will play MAX LAPIERRE but he brings speed and hustle. It would be fun to see a line of Latendresse – Chipchura – Lapierre.

    RYAN O’BYRNE means another big body on D. He is fairly mobile and will take some of the responsibility of fighting away from Komi (although O’Bryne isn’t realy a good fighter. Check him out on Pairing him w/HAMRLIK will only help his development. I’m sure Pat Hickey will approve of this move since he has been regularly citing O’Byrne as one of the best players in Hamilton this year.

    Also for all those people bashing Guillaume Latendresse early in the year. If you want to criticise him for his lackluster play then you should also own up and recognize that he is starting to play better.

    Peace to all,


  233. Haber for life says:

    All the points you brought up are the exactly what I’m trying to say (see my previous post). The guys have stopped playing for Carbo… a coach who acts like he’s not confident, then keeps calling out guys, will get shut-out by his players. Carbo does not have a philosophy that he sticks with, he keeps changing his mind…and that rubs off on players…they figure he doesn’t know what the right style of play is, and so THEY lose confidence too.

    What this team needs is not a top forward (even if we could somehow get one). It needs an experienced coach who has a nice system of play, is not afraid to stick to it to make it work, instead of constantly shuffling his lines….

    Man, I’m so angry and sad to see a team fumble around like they have been lately….they are better than that, and if they had a coach who could get everyone on the same page then they could make a good push for a playoff spot.

  234. Yeats says:

    O’Byrne es un verdadero hombre. Voy a disfrutar de muchas cervezas mañana en la noche como él thrashes los Bruins.

  235. showey47 says:

    very fair assesment but do you think obyrne would be any worse than breezer or bouillon? i seriously doubt it. He can bring size to a soft d’core (other than komi and hamr) Obyrne would also need a mentor and who better than hamrlik, to me its better than wasting it on brisebois

  236. showey47 says:

    nacho libre, i got nothing

  237. El Guapo says:

    Los Canadienos neccecitas mas homres como O’Byrne, hombres que puede comer la cabesa de Chris Neil, y en la manana hacer una mierda que resemblas Kyle Wellwood.

  238. Will Longlade says:

    This could help the Habs land Selanne. Anyone know what he’s up to?

  239. El Guapo says:

    Los nachos son libre, pero el papel de bano te va costar!

  240. showey47 says:

    As good as it sounds i doubt he would come here, besides carbo would probably play him on defence

  241. showey47 says:

    Anyone else think that our coach may be a reason why we couldn’t land the big fish ufa this season? As much as i would love to put the jersey on just once i don’t think i would want to play for this tool.

  242. doogie says:

    Any chance we can delete Smolinski, Ryder and Kostopolous? All three should be playing in the ECHL.

    Talent, heart, desire is what’s required to play in this league, not these retreads. You just see Higgins shaking his

    head as he comments on the team’s latest misfortunes. That kid hates losing, doesn’t he!

    Tired of this crap team.

  243. showey47 says:

    those are the kind of players we need on this team, players who hate to lose

  244. Rocket Richard says:

    amen to that. bullseye.

    look at what the rocket accomplished because he hated to lose.

    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens

    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  245. skoehn says:

    OK now you give me a break price let in some softies and was not on his game probably from the cold but still…

  246. Habsfan39 says:

    i’m dying of carbo-monoxide poisoning

  247. nightmare_49 says:

    Not against Detroit.

  248. Habsfan39 says:

    taco bell, burrito, nacho, ci

  249. Habs-Kat says:

    What’s wrong with Kostopoulos? The guy never gives up. He’s a horse and he’s not as futile offensively as I thought going into the season.

  250. Will Longlade says:

    That’s true genius!

  251. Bouleau noir says:

    Hight profile UFAs like to have a clear picture about the environment in which they are considering commiting themselves to,.. more so the ones having a direct consequence on their lives as hockey players.

    Bob was aware when he proposed his package to Shanahan two summer ago that his proposition lacked the substance that UFAs wants to hear about,… the coach proposed had no history of coaching at all, Shanahan had nothing on which to base his decision…. thanks for the invitation but Il pass.

    Briere refusal was different, he knew that the CH had missed qualifying for the playoffs under Carbo, he knew that the CH had have a dysfonctional personality under him and that the futur of the Club under Carbo meant a defensive system…….. why he even considered the CH under such predicament is beyong me…. his talents will be expressed to its fullest in PHY and his choice was rational.

    Bob knew upon hiring someone with 0 experience as a coach that it would make it difficult to aquire a hight profile UFA in that summer,…. he also new that hiring a green coach might also lead the CH to go on and miss the playoffs which would also make it difficult to attrac a top UFA scorer on the next summer,…. Bob’s choice didn’t serve us well pretty much any way you want to look at it.

  252. Habs Suck says:

    Tell that to the Red Wings… this is hockey, not physics!!!

  253. kevin m says:

    Maybe, but I also think it’s the fact that this team rolls 4 lines which cuts into the “star player’s” precious ice time.

  254. cautiousoptimist says:

    You want guys that can eat Chris Neil’s head?!

  255. Raking Leafs says:

    I love the line about poop that looks like Kyle Wellwood.

    And to the posters who seem to have attended the reasonable accommodation hearings, here’s a tool you should use before ridiculing somebody who speaks a language other than ONGLAY:

    “All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity.” Gordie Howe

  256. Renegade says:

    I meant as an indirect result of the points that you mentioned, plus his work ethic may light a fire under the entire team.

  257. Will Longlade says:

    If I were B.G., I would covet Matthew Lombardi. Not the pure goal scorer or big centre Montreal needs, but a piece of the puzzle and an upgrade. Calgary wouldn’t part w/him easily.

  258. Alex Leduc says:


  259. Rocket Richard says:

    positive sign to moving forward.

    lets see what happens

    December 1,2007 – rise and fall of the 2007-08 Montreal Canadiens

    Rocket Richards Moltivation for winning games, “You Must Hate To Lose”

  260. showey47 says:

    i can see grabovski bolting to russia before he becomes a regular for the habs. He just looks like a player who would thrive on international sized ice and at the same time make alot more money. Kind of like perezogin

  261. T-roy West says:

    Patrick Roy as our coach. We could only wish. I would love to see his energy behind the bench instead of Carbo’s dumb,arrogant,smug smile!

  262. P St. Pierre says:

    Hopefully Lapierre and O’Byrne can shake things up a little bit with this team. TSN is reporting that Smolinski will be on the “first” line tomorrow night so lines are supposedly like this:




    Spares: Streit, Gorges, and one of Begin, Ryder, or Kostopoulos.

  263. Habsfan39 says:

    Hey trade rumor!

    montreal to trade away its remaining forwards for defencemen!

    This to compliment the 9 they have so far. Markov, Hamrlik, Brisebois, Bouillon, Komisarek, Dandenault, Streit, Gorges and O’Byrne.

    You heard it here first!

  264. sidhu says:

    The sad thing is that of the 9, I’d only say 5 are reliable (Markov, Hamrlik, Streit, Komisarek, Cube). We’re in bad need of size on defense to clear the front of the net, which is why I’m stoked that O’Byrne is with the big club.

    Gorges can sit in the pressbox, Dandy can play on the 4th line, and Brisebois should hang up his skates.

  265. Raking Leafs says:

    A shrewd move designed to strip Guy Lafleur of future ammunition. Replace 13 fourth-liners with d-men. That’s brilliant.

    “All hockey players are bilingual. They know English and profanity.” Gordie Howe

  266. HabsChick says:

    Any trade that Gainey has made to date has come as a surprise (no leak). He keeps his cards very close to his chest so my guess is, it’s just a rumour.

    With Nieds coming back…I think it’s time for Koivu to give his buddy Selanne a call. With only ~1/2 a years salary to pay, maybe we could squeeze him in? :)

  267. sidhu says:

    I’d love to see Lombardi come here. Maybe Iron Mike would be willing to part with him, since he may be too “soft” for Keenan’s taste.

  268. RH says:

    Wow! This is great news. Another rookie to go along with Chipchura, Price and, I think Kostitsyn. Does he count as a rookie this year? Bringing back Lapierre should give this team some much needed jump. Last season, he seemed to figure out his role early and never looked back. I think he’s got better hands than people give him credit for as well. I wonder how he would play with Latendresse and Chipchura on the third line? Uh, I guess the way Carbo adjusts his line, we’ll eventually find out. As far as O’byrne goes, he’s going to make mistakes. Hopefully, he’s a quick learner and doesn’t get discouraged over it. And I hope he has incredibly thick skin, playing in Montreal and all.

    As far as Perezhogin, I never quite understood why Carbonneau had a problem with him. As far as I remember, he played well with Bonk and Johnson and wasn’t a defensive liability. Maybe he didn’t score as much as Carbo would have liked but, you can’t score from the pressbox.

  269. HigginsIsABeast says:

    That’s a good point about Perezhogin. I remember him playing some pretty solid hockey and there was always that incident in the AHL, which was terrible. He’s in Russia now like Emelin.

  270. sidhu says:

    Perez was a solid player – he had skill and was defensively responsible. On a team that was pretty bad 5-on-5, it wasn’t unusual for Perez to have the best +/- on the team. I hope he comes back and we can find room for him on the roster.

  271. Habsfan39 says:

    i hate guy carbonneau!

  272. Habs Suck says:

    Hate is a pretty strong word, but if I had to answer the question “is Carbo a good coach?”, I’d have to say NO.

  273. Wops says:

    I like Guy Carbonneau
    CH is for Chris Higgins

  274. Roy-Rules says:

    Every year its the same story. The fans and media have very low expectations from the team and then they play exceptionally in the beginning of the season, giving everyone hope. Then comes the slump. The players lose confidence in one another and the fans bash them, breaking their confidence even more. The coaches are obviously inexperienced and don’t have the right solution. By the team realizes its time to play hard and fight its too late, either they barely make the playoffs or don’t. If they do we have an early exit.

    The problem is the system. We have a captain who has played his whole career in Montreal, and has seen the same crap happen every year his whole career and has no advice for the team since he has no experience. We tend to have a coaching camp where we bring in new coaches who have no experience whatsoever and have no solution to the problems, they however learn by screwing up in Montreal and then succeed elsewhere (Julien, Therrien, Vigneault…). What we need is an experienced coach, who has been around and seen it all, because the last time we had one we had a parade in June of ’93, I was twelve then and too young to appreciate the dynasty, I’ve been dying my whole adolescent years to be in that parade again.

  275. Frank14 says:

    Well, well, well !

    Geez I wish we could go back 2-3- weeks. Exactly what I
    said they should do; E-X-A-C-T-L-Y. I’m a fan of Grabs, but he’s too small. Fast but ……. As for the rumor on
    another blog. Well someone’s got a PIPE. Try this :
    Phaneuf – Ryder+goalie – Savard. I might not be RIGHT on,
    but I’m freakin’ close. You can also replace Savard by
    Chara+tough guy. Do it NOW, before the Christmas blues.

    As I am writing this, what’s his face from J de M is
    talking Koivu on RDS. Something’s in the air! Love it..

    Ottawa just won by the skin of their cohones vs Panthers.
    Not convincing at all !

    If somebody is ahead of me on this rumor, please let
    everybody know.

    Send Ray Emery to the minors … Seriously !!!!!


    PS. To abhishek: A lot of Bruins are gonna hit the ice
    tomorrow ! Good man.

    PPS. I think Shara is coming here, Phaneuf to Boston &
    Ryder and/ or Koivu+goalie to Calgary. Hey you can
    only guess. You don’t send a fart down, and bring
    up 2 big shits. Yo

  276. Wops says:

    QUOTE: “Phaneuf – Ryder+goalie – Savard. I might not be RIGHT on,
    but I’m freakin’ close. You can also replace Savard by
    Chara+tough guy”

    Can you be a little bit clearer ??? What are you trying to say,

    Dion Phaneuf, Dan Ryder + Goalie for Marc Savard??


    Otherwise, you three way idea is even worse…
    CH is for Chris Higgins

  277. Frank14 says:

    To Wops: First of all, who the hell is Dan Ryder ? You must certainly mean Michael Rider… You know, the guy that
    plays for the Habs. Blog when your sober OK !


  278. T-roy West says:

    I think he means the younger Ryder in Calgary’s farm system but the trade rumors are exactly that…just rumors!

  279. linp says:

    I remember Carbo said after a loss: “I don’t know what’s wrong”. That’s our major problem. Carbo doesn’t have experience of a winning system. When his team loses, he criticizes his players. He mixes the line. It causes confusions among the players. The passes were so horrible recently. There were no big hit on the board to gain control of the puck. Look at Baffalo. Their team lost their two best forwards. Lindy Ruff has a winning system. Their players know what to do. Bob should provide advises to Carbo in the background. If they can’t turn it around, then it is time to find an experienced coach who knows what’s wrong and how to fix it.

  280. Pat8987 says:

    Well, looks like a trade is in the process, you never bring up 2 players to put down one, especially when you already have two healthy scratches. Whatever the trade, Mtl is giving up 2 for 1 or 3 for 2. Gainy is smart, don’t worry it will make sense in the end. I don’t see Chara coming here, why would we bring up O’Byrne who is another big D. I can honestly say it might involve Ryder + Goalie (Huet), yet don’t forget the Kovalev rumors to Calgary (I would hate that; he is carrying the team now). Whatever is going on it is simply going to happen for one reason TO WAKE UP THE TEAM.

  281. Wops says:

    Dude, take a chill pill

    Dan Ryder is the younger brother of MICHAEL Ryder and was drafted in the third round (74 overall) by the Flames in 05.

    Maybe you need a drink or something…

    CH is for Chris Higgins

  282. T-roy West says:

    If there is to be a trade then you can be rest assured that Colorado will be involved at some point. They need goaltending in a bad way!

  283. Habs Suck says:

    Call him up and tell him you play Defense, then maybe you can play on the #1 scoring line!!!

  284. habsguy says:

    Wops…you tell em…LOL..I love when smart guys get put in their place !!!!!

  285. zooziff says:

    I’m hearing whispers that Olli Jokinen may become a Hab.

  286. TradeRyder says:

    ARRGGGHHH!!!! Just saw Carbo on TV saying that his players need to take these call-ups seriously. The guy is always so heavy handed. He seems to know nothing about motivation. You can’t walk around with a chip on your shoulder and expect to motivate people. You need to carry the stick NOT BE the stick. I would like to think he’ll work out… but my prediction is he’ll be gone by January’s end.

    Thanks for the line changes I asked for Carbs! Now, do the defense!

  287. Cable Guy says:

    do you really think colorado will take another goalie from us? I doubt it after the Theo fiasco.

  288. TradeRyder says:

    I can’t see why that would bias them. They traded a goalie they didn’t want for one we didn’t want. Neither worked out. We have what they need. What do they have that we want? How about Sakic!

    Thanks for the line changes I asked for Carbs! Now, do the defense!

  289. Blitzen says:

    You should see a doctor about that.

    Every year, we expect Bob to make a big splash. I’m keeping my expectations on the low side of nonexistant this year.

  290. TradeRyder says:

    I was going to say the same thing. My guess is the whispers are coming from inside his head.

    But I have this feeling that a REAL trade is in the works. For a couple of reasons –
    1. We have some REAL players to trade. Good depth in goal, some veteran players that may want to move, and a lot of promising younger talent.
    2. Koivu may want to go to a contender, and if he does, no-one could say no.
    3. Carbo is heavy-handed, and probably has someone surprising he wants to move. Markov even.
    4. Everyone knows that we have been missing a top goal-scorer for EVER. And that no-one wins a championship without one. Bob tried this summer, he’s still trying.

    Thanks for the line changes I asked for Carbs! Now, do the defense!

  291. Blitzen says:

    Tell yourself that we’ll be trading Dandy for Randy Robitaille or something like that. That way you’ll be less disappointed when the real trade is even worse than that one.

  292. Habs Suck says:

    Even if we were to pick up a top forward like Jokinen or Sakic, they would not thrive under the coaching of Carbo. The buck stops right there!!! NO system, no motivation, no creativity, no rapport = NO GOOD

  293. ebk says:

    The Cube and Streit are far from reliable. And they are smurfs to boat.
    The rest you are correct in my opinion.

  294. 24 Cups says:

    Not to be picky here but Perezhogin never did that much in Montreal – he was still a guy who had ‘the potential’ to be a really good player but had yet to deliver. Then Russia offered him a ton of money that did not relate to his value in the NHL (especially in light of the cap) and he was gone. We would face the same problem if he ever decided to come back. Emelin has never played in North America and it will be tough to get him over here with all the coin he’s making in Russia.

  295. Blitzen says:

    Emelin has pretty much said that signing that contract in Russia was a mistake. He wants to come here.

  296. Habsfan39 says:


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