Koivu still going strong at age 38 with Ducks

Former Canadiens captain Saku Koivu leads the Anaheim Ducks in scoring with three goals and eight assists while averaging 17:43 of ice time to go along with a plus-8 through 10 games. Koivu has more points and a better plus/minus than any player on the Canadiens.

The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs asked Koivu on Friday afternoon – before a 3-1 loss to the Dallas Stars that night, ending a four-game Ducks winning streak – if he would have chosen himself for a hockey pool this season?

“Probably not,” Koivu said. “But I’ll take it. I’m enjoying this. It’s been fun. We’ll try to keep pushing and hopefully we can continue this good streak.”

The Canadiens will be looking to end a bad streak – two consecutive losses – when they face the Toronto Maple Leafs Saturday night at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN 690 Radio).

Below are links to some stories to keep you busy while we wait for the puck to drop on Hockey Day in Canada, which will include a triple-header on CBC starting with Winnipeg at Ottawa at 2 p.m. and wrapping up with Calgary at Vancouver at 10 p.m. CBC’s Hockey Day in Canada coverage begins at noon.

RDS will also air Episode No. 2 of the 24CH series Saturday at 6 p.m.

(Photo byAlex Gallardo/The Associated Press)

Saku Koivu still going strong at age 38 with Ducks, by Dave Stubbs

Game Preview: Canadiens vs. Maple Leafs

Habs’ White still learning “the fine line”, by Brenda Branswell

Habs fans shouldn’t throw Ryan White under the bus just yet, by Stu Cowan

Plekanec on a roll with stable linemates, by The Canadian Press

Canadiens rookies earn more responsibility, by Pat Hickey

Subban makes SI’s list of The NHL’s 10 Most Hated Players, by Stu Cowan

A great Valentine’s Day gift for Habs fans, by Pat Hickey

Maple Leafs and Canadiens miss Original Six days, by The Toronto Star

Leafs’ Phaneuf knows his numbers are offensive, by The Toronto Star

Why Phil Kessel is a keeper, by The Toronto Sun

NHL dream has big price tag, by Pat Hickey

A warning for old-timer hockey players, by Stu Cowan

308 Comments

  1. frontenac1 says:

    The Cube usually likes to beat the crap out of Leafs. Frankie Goes To Hollywood!Saludos!

  2. commandant says:

    Max V goes through the news of the week. Its very goalie focused, but has some PK Subban, Markov, and Galy/chucky tidbits

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/02/09/essential-hockey-tim-thomas-viktor-fasth-and-ryan-miller/

    Looking at our opponent tonight, Jack goes on a Phil Kessel Rant.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/02/08/jackd-off-on-kessel-haters/

    Go Habs Go!
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  3. commandant says:

    PJ stock and the HNIC crew starting the Karlsson love fest again.

    Go Habs Go!
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  4. Ron says:

    Oh joy oh joy, not only do we get Peel as the ref we have the honor to have Cole/Hrudey/Healy do the announcing and commentary on CBC. Gotta watch RDS for sure.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Not Tim Peel again!

      Cole and Hrudey aren’t that bad

      • Ron says:

        Ya got to be kidding jed. Were playing the laffs tonite and it will be a love in from these 3 amigos. All laffs all the time. :D

      • Is Chris Lee the other Ref as well? Heaven forbid if they have to go to Toronto for a review and Mike Murphy is the Head office offical. Coruption at its finest!!! Oh Boy here we go again!!!

      • FlyAngler says:

        Yeh, NHL Hockey Operations flipping us all the “big bird” and communicating loudly and clearly that they don’t give a rat’s ass or a shite about the club, the city or its fans. It is a disgrace and they should not be able to get away with it. All of them be damned!

        “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  5. durocher says:

    San Jose has put a big defenseman and former 1st round pick on waivers. For a small D corps, maybe he’s worth taking a shot at. Surely he may be better, or more useful, than Weber:

    http://forecaster.thehockeynews.com/hockeynews/hockey/player.cgi?6206

  6. B says:

    So White deserves to be benched for getting an extra penalty after mouthing off at the official following a penalty call. What about genius coach Guy Boucher who did the same thing Thursday night, the Devils then scored twice on the power play and won the game. I wonder if Boucher had to bench himself for a game or two for that bone headed gaffe? :)

    –Go Habs Go!–

  7. Lafleur sets Habs all-time scoring record on this day in 1984

    http://www.letiretlebut.com/2013/02/today-in-habs-history-february-9th.html?spref=tw
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  8. Say Ash says:

    We’re 2-3-1 in the division. If we are to go anywhere, this must be turned around, starting tonight. And no more Budaj against division rivals, please.

  9. commandant says:

    Anytime you get to see Dick Irvin on HNIC its a good day.

    That guy is a legend and represents so much about Habs hockey to me.

    Go Habs Go!
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  10. HabFab says:

    People were talking about Kristo earlier, did anyone notice this in one of Hickeys articles above;

    “But Kristo and four other members of the team have a date in Grand Forks District Court next month. They have been formally charged with “unlawful delivery to certain persons.” In plain language, the Class A felony means they supplied alcohol for underage teammates at a party last September.”

  11. Trisomy 21 says:

    To me this game tonight is a good indication of whether the Habs are fakers or if they’re for real.

    I was happy that we kept in contention with Boston but the way they played in the fist period compared to the last was a huge contrast. Toronto is a team we will have to beat if the Habs have a hope to make the playoffs. With so many inter-division games, Toronto has to be the easy pickings since Ottawa and Boston are so strong.

    So I’m going to go with:
    Habs win = playoffs.
    Habs loss = no playoffs.
    This is my scientific approach to hockey.

  12. The Dude says:

    Well …if we lose again to the Laff’s I’m gonna end up binge drinking and a puking….but at least I’m not a Leaf fan :P

  13. frontenac1 says:

    So is Whitey in tonight or in the sh*t house?

  14. kempie says:

    I just realized that PJ Stock is here as well. Thank you CBC for lowering the collective IQ of my hometown by several points.

  15. CCL says:

    Don’t think about the players we let go. Think about the players we are rebuilding with. we have to move on and at least put a contending team in place. we have a make shift team right now maybe good enough to make the playoffs. who knows. anyway. we have to go the way of the future and that’s rebuild win or loose.

    Looking at White. He tries hard but takes stupid penalties in doing so. when he matures and with a little more experience. maybe he’ll become a good 4th liner must also contribute more on the score sheet. it’s not all about how tough a-team you have if you wanna win a Stanley cup. must be able to roll four lines and contribute on the scoreboard as well as good Goal-tending. good recipe for a Stanley cup.

  16. frontenac1 says:

    My buddies and I are taking out our wives to see Blue Rodeo tonight.Not my cup of tea,but the gals love them.Oh what we do to keep domestic peace! I will be depending on Boones Live blog tonight. Go Habs Go!

  17. Mavid says:

    wow Dick Irvin looks amazing..he must be at least 143 years old :p

  18. VancouverHab says:

    Hey Budaj & White haters:

    From Kerry Fraser:
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=415537

    • Mark C says:

      Not sure how this absolves White from taking an insanely stupid penalty. Regardless, if the Habs should have won, he can’t do what he did, especially against a punk like Ott. White has to know in that situation that Ott won’t fight. Ott has a well known and earned reputation for junk like this.

  19. FlyAngler says:

    That Terry Gregson would allow Tim Peel to work the Habs-Leafs game in Montreal on the heals of the travesty he presided over in Buffalo on Thursday night proves that he is a moronic imbecile and a buffoon. I know that the Officials’ schedules are made well in advance, but they are changed when circumstances dictate and this is clearly an occasion when a change should have been made.
    This assignment proves that the NHL’s Hockey Operations people are callously indifferent to the feelings of the fans who pay their salaries and that they are clueless about public relations by any standard. Colin Campbell should have been fired after E-Mail gate and Murphy should have gone with him after he failed to suspend Chara in the aftermath of the Pacioretty incident.
    That Office is noisome with the stench of corruption and incompetence. And we should not put up with it any longer.

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

    • Le Jadester says:

      Well said!

      Habs, OLE !

      • FlyAngler says:

        Thanks Jadester! Without the support of the fans, the League goes out of business and we should not have to put up with such blatant disrespect and insolence from people who are suppose to promote fairness and sportsmanship and not alienate and estrange the people who put bread on their tables. I am G.D. sick and tired of it!

        “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  20. Sportguy says:

    Hey look what isn’t considered spam any more :D Thanks HIO and thanks to all the people who check out my blog you keep me motivated to keep writing my blog!

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  21. otter649 says:

    Saku was my favorite Hab during his time with Montreal & the only player whose jersey I have ever bought with The All Star & Centennial Patches on it…….

  22. Sportguy says:

    Well folks off to work and then off to possibly the Manoir or Blacklion to watch the game with a few buds have a great day and GO Habs GO! Lets stomp the leafs!

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  23. Sportguy says:

    Well folks off to work and then off to possibly the Manoir or Blacklion to watch the game with a few buds have a great day and GO Habs GO! Lets stomp the leafs!
    nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  24. habs001 says:

    We all know that Cole is a slow starter(i dont think his pay deposit is) but my concern is not only he is lacking speed in most games the hockey play decisions he makes are just terrible…he is having trouble picking up passes, his passes are not even close to the level you expect from a NHL player of his status…He looks like a player with limited NHL experience…

  25. DMAN says:

    Robert L used to have a prospect report that was posted on here. Does anyone know if he still does it and where I could find it.
    Thanks!

    • HabFab says:

      It wasn’t Robert L but Robert Rice or “Serious”. He posts it now on All Habs generally on Mondays plus does a weekly Q&A generally on Thursdays… link is up on the right under the Blogroll.

  26. kempie says:

    So the guy just showed up to plow my driveway. He apologized for being late. He said he had PVRd the hockey game and he had to stay up late and watch it when he got home because his son was playing. Of course, we asked the necessary question and his answer was: Corey Perry.

    So yeah, Corey Perry’s dad just plowed my driveway. Did a fine job too. Top shelf.

  27. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Saku Koivu has always been, and will always be, a class act on and off the ice.

  28. gumper says:

    We owe the Buds a lickin’. Time to snap out of the mini-slide before it gains momentum.

    The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane.
    Mark Twain

  29. Un Canadien errant says:

    I think we’re seeing a tangible result of the lockout in the lackluster performance of Erik Cole. While we spoke in generalities at the outset of the season, designating players who competed in the AHL and Europe as being in peak condition, in game shape, for example, and others needing ten or fifteen game to ramp back up to speed, and of teams with established coaching teams and systems having a leg up over teams in transition, we’ve seemingly forgotten about this aspect and are now failing to include it into our equations when we’re analyzing the results so far.

    Going back to last season, even during his ‘laborious’ start, Erik was a rampaging buffalo, being strong and hungry for the puck, and repeatedly carrying it into the offensive zone with speed, curling around the defender and taking it to the net. It was never a surprise move, something the opponents could game plan for, except for maybe backing off the Canadiens’ blue line sooner to retreat back to their zone when he was on the ice. He accomplished this with power and speed, unrelenting. We marveled at how fast he was, how thrilling his rushes were. Even when he didn’t score on the play, the immediate result was often a scrambling, confused, disorganized defensive team, and that’s when David Desharnais shined, he’d exploit the gaps in the zone and gain the puck before savantly feeding Max Pacioretty or Erik.

    This season, we have yet to see Erik Cole accomplish a single one of these rushes. I don’t remember one. He simply seems to be a different, lesser player. The overwhelming speed and power is nowhere to be seen.

    One of the common results of lockouts in recent years has been that a lot of players don’t show up to training camp in shape. Not just game shape, but in shape at all. It is explained, often without the reporters naming names, simply by saying that an athlete with a specific reporting date in mind, will punish himself hard in the offseason, with a lot of the strength and power work happening in the meat of the training period, and then taper off in the last couple of weeks before camp. In a lockout season, with an uncertain reporting date, this work is either misallocated, or at least mistimed. The reporting date comes and goes, the athletes try to maintain the peak, then maybe back off when negotiations drag on. They wonder if they should go back on another heavy and intense training period and try to catch their best guess as to when the actual camp date will be. Some athletes may have not invested the time, as well as the money for the personal trainer, at all, for off-season work, thinking it would be a waste. Again, these workouts are brutal, intense. They hurt. Why subject yourself to those for nothing? When you can use that time to hang out with your family, and really allow that nagging (neck, back, hamstring, knee..) injury to fully heal?

    Now, Erik was a passionate NHLPA supporter this year, showing how committed and emotional he was with the process and how outraged he was with the ownership stance, so he may have been distracted during his summer training, or may have eased off a little compared to last season. When the start of camp was postponed, he may have been pessimistic, and prepared for a lost season instead of a January start.

    While this is pure speculation, there is strong evidence that Erik isn’t as well conditioned as he was last year. There is no jump in his skating. I saw him against the Sabres try to rush around a defender, and not be able to outskate him. He was even with him when tried his patented ‘lean in and wrap around’ the D-man, who simply pushed back. Erik slid to the ground. It was less than impressive.

    So Erik may be a victim of the cynical NHL strategy of killing off the early part of the NHL season while the NFL was in full swing, and may have been better served to heed those observers who predicted a mid-January start all along, and trained accordingly. His plyometric work should have been done in November and December, instead of in July-August, if it was done at. His legs, his power and stride would have had a better chance of being at last season’s level. But then again, seeing how little Gary Bettman and Ed Snyder and Jeremy Jacobs cared about playing hockey this season, can we really blame Erik?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Bottom line you are saying that Erik is not in shape due to being unable to adjust the training regimen he had planned to be ready for 2012-2013. Maybe! Maybe not.

      But could there be other factors?

      A). Playing with different defense pairing?
      This line relied on the straight ahead rampaging bull dash for the net(both Cole and Patches play like that) with DD there to make take advantage of the defense scrambling(as u said), grab hold of the puck, do some down low moves and feed Cole or Patches. The line was infamously known for not being good in the defensive zone and therefore depended on the puck being made available to them by their defense linemates. Would be interesting to see who were their regular defense partners last year. You can never find a Corsi guy when you need one.

      B)Again the style of play you describe lends itself to drop in production even while there is no drop in intensity. Lack of playmaking ingenuity leads to lack of alternatives once opponents key on them and adjust?

      C)Last season every player on that line had a career year basically. It is a line where the ‘whole’ became greater than the sum of its parts. Maybe the success of last year wont be raceptured by this same combination of players. These players produced better than any other line combination (collectively and individually) but these players depended on each other more than any other line combination.

      D)Or maybe just patience is required as Cole is a slow starter and Pacs did go through stretches of futility.

      E)Or maybe they pot 5 goals tonight and this discussion is moot.

      F)Or maybe I shold get off my arse and go shovel the snow and stop pretending I know sh##** about hockey or what makes hockey players tick.

      G) Or maybe Therrien is reading this post.. agrees with every single word and will be calling me shortly for a solution. I better stay put!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Your suppositions are as valid as mine, but I would say that mine deals not so much with Erik’s decreased production, but rather his lack of explosiveness. Even last season early on, when he wasn’t scoring, he was charging all over the ice, making things happen, even if the puck wouldn’t find the net. This year, he looks lethargic, ponderous. He just doesn’t have the pace and strength he had last season.

    • HabFab says:

      In Coles defense, he had a lingering injury over from last season and couldn’t start heavy training until October or November.
      Speaking of the Union commitment thing, Gorges doesn’t seem to be in it 100% either OR maybe I lost my rose coloured glasses here.

  30. Sportguy says:

    testing 1 2 3 haha hope this works

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  31. Gally27 says:

    Habs win 4-2

    Gionta, Chuckie, Bourque and PK

  32. Mark C says:

    Another big night for Danny Kristo. Picks the GWG and a helper in a 2-1 win.

    • Sportguy says:

      He was the player who almost got frost bite right?

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    • Sportfan says:

      Kristo was the one who got the frost bite right?

    • twilighthours says:

      But will he ever play for us?

      • Chris says:

        That’s definitely a big concern moving into this summer. I think he’d be a fool to sign with Montreal, personally, as he has all the leverage in the world to sign wherever he wants.

      • Mark C says:

        Most likely. Why not? Just because one elite NCAA prospect didn’t sign with his draft team, we now have to worry that Kristo won’t sign with Montreal?

        • Chris says:

          There aren’t that many bona fide prospects that play four years of NCAA. The ones that do often become a concern because they basically have the opportunity to choose their own franchise.

          Blake Wheeler and Justin Schultz are the two most recent guys to go this route. I’m surprised more players don’t do it. It is a beautiful end-around on an archaic practice.

          • Mark C says:

            Neither Wheeler nor Schultz lasted four years in school. They just dropped out and become UFAs after the team that drafted them exclusive window ran out. Any drafted player in the NCAA can do this, at any point. Yet only a handful have. Why is there such a worry that Kristo will do something that is so rarely done?

            Hell, Kristo’s former teammate, and better prospect, Brock Nelson just left school after two years and joined the team that drafted him, the New York Islanders.

    • B says:

      Dietz scores a pair for Saskatoon including the winner. Deitz now has 15 goals, only 3 other CHL Dmen have more at 17 goals each. The Memorial Cup host Blades have only 1 regulation loss in their last 10 games. BTW, Dietz shoots right and is already listed at 6’1″ 205 lbs.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  33. Sportguy says:

    Sigh for the time being I have to use this account -_- does anyone know how long you get banned ? Cause I really don’t know why my comments wont go through on the other account,/why I would be banned. Also Will my old account ever let me comment again? Anyone care to share?

    • GGtheHab says:

      Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate, but there is a zero-tolerance policy regarding racism, profanity and behaviour that we deem to be offensive.
      We will, without warning, ban those who do not abide by this simple rule, so as to maximize the enjoyment of readers and participants of both sexes and all ages. The rules are right there to the right of the comments, you must have broken one of them.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I checked with MT.
      He said your behaviour was “unacceptable”. You cant be just a good poster, you need to become a “better person”.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I agree Nick. Your post have not been anything but well thought out and clean. Must be something else. Glad you got an alternative User though.

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      • Sportguy says:

        It turns about my blog has been marked down as Spam :( Which is really depressing because I get a lot of views on my blog from this site and a lot of support thanks to you guys and now I may lose half of that unless it can be fixed.

        I am trying to contact someone about that but don’t know who. You guys have any idea who I can contact?

        and thanks its nice to know that some people know I don’t say bad things here

  34. HabFanSince72 says:

    Canada’s national embarrassment Don Cherry says a team that doesn’t fight doesn’t win.

    The leaders in fighting majors this year are Columbus, Toronto, Philadelphia and Buffalo. All out of the playoff picture (except Toronto in 8th but that won’t last).

    Teams that have fewer than half as many fighting majors as Columbus include Chicago, San Jose, Pittsburgh, St.Louis and New Jersey, all contenders.

    QED


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Sportguy says:

      Apparently what Cherry is saying is that everything opposite to what he says is actually true

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    • wjc says:

      Cherry actually said “teams without team toughness do not win”.

      Mr. Cherry is an interesting, fun entertainer. He expresses an opinion that is straight from the heart.

      You do not like him, good for you, but to call him a Canadian embarrassment is not true. He grabs attention to hockey that is needed and he does know the game.

      Do you watch him, admit it you do, now don’t you feel foolish. If you dislike him ignore him, but you can’t….admit it. c’mon…..

      wjc

      • PatMac says:

        In my opinion, he is neither interesting nor fun. And, I don’t watch him.

        • kempie says:

          He’s here in town, just down the street from us for HNIC hockey day. I’m staying away because he repulses me and I’m not up for the discussion that would follow if I ran into him. He’s an asshat.

        • boing007 says:

          Cherry’s Ego is a thousand times bigger than his brain capacity.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • habitual says:

        He is a national embarrassment (remember the fiasco of his comments about Stu Grimson), hockey doesn’t need that type of attention, and when he comes on at intermission I leave the room.

      • twilighthours says:

        Were I traveling abroad, and someone asked me to describe the qualities, virtues, and accomplishments of my fellow Canadians, I would be embarrassed if I had to explain Don Cherry.

      • Chris says:

        I haven’t watched Don Cherry in years. I usually switch the channel if I’m watching English CBC.

        His stance on visors IS a national embarrassment, as is his stance on people not born in Canada or the United States. I have no patience for bigots who talk in “us” and “them” terms.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        So, you admire Gomez, Bettman and Cherry. No wonder you don’t get along with most people here. Cherry’s a clown. He dresses like a clown, acts and talks like a clown. Like the saying goes, if it walks like a duck…

        Btw, I haven’t watched that clown since forever.

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      • 69HABS says:

        wjc

        He doesn’t know that much, he could never beat Montreal in the playoffs ..LOL …

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      As long as we don’t have a team like Montreal did prior to Bergevin’s arrival, I’m happy. There are occasions in hockey where you do have to stand up and fight to avoid getting a reputation of being an easy team to push around.

      I thought the game against Boston the other night was a great game to watch, minus the outcome, and it had zero fights!

    • gumper says:

      What I don’t like about Cherry is that he’s that guy we all know who goes out of his way to point it out when he’s right, but conveniently neglects to mention the times he’s wrong. In fact, I’m quite sure he would protest that he’s never wrong. This sort of self-aggrandizement becomes very tiresome.

      • Bill says:

        I think he did apologize about the Grimson thing. I was surprised to hear it, because you are otherwise completely right.

        Cherry is the Bill O’Reilly of Hockey broadcasting. Just a cranky old white man pandering to a bunch of other cranky old white men and telling them what they want to hear.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    I also liked Saku a lot, and agree that he never had a team. I also agree that bigots like Rejean Tremblay helped drive him out, which played into the Beliveau issue.

    But…

    In his last year as captain the room was totally dysfunctional. It was the most dysfunctional I have ever seen the Habs. Much worse than last year for example. Remember the bowling? Saku helplessly watched it all fall to pieces. As captain he couldn’t take the Habs further. He went to Anaheim to be part of the supporting cast rather than the star.

    Also what I remember about him that year is getting beaten to the puck repeatedly and taking retaliation or hooking penalties in the o-zone.

    I think that is why he was traded. He needed to not be captain anymore and he couldn’t do that with the Habs.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • rhino514 says:

      if the team was dysfunctional it had nothing to do with Saku. Do you think Gionta is a better captain than Koivu because the team is doing ok? And did he suck last year because the team sucked?
      I actually respect most of moves Gainey made to make the habs a better playoff team (except one move, of course) but I would argue that if he would have just not re-signed Kovalev, Komisarek and Tanguay and made all the other moves he made except bring in Gomez and force Koivu out, the team would have been even better, both in the regular season and in the playoffs.
      The habs got lucky last year by tanking and getting Chucky, but they are suffering this year because they have over 7 million locked up in a player who is playing for another team. Some times the true consequences of a move are not known until years later.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I don’t think Saku was good as captain. I meant dysfunctional in terms of team psychology, not in terms of on-ice performance.

        Saku simply didn’t have the personality for the job.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • wjc says:

      Whats with the ‘bowling’. The team tried to break the tension with some bowling, big deal. You ever do something fun, just to snap yourself out of a funk. It was an original, outside the box idea, done on the road to relax the team.

      Maybe some should give this coaching gig a try, sometimes a kick works and sometimes a pat works and sometimes if things are going wrong bowling might work.

      wjc

    • JF says:

      At the time, I thought Saku had to bear some of the responsibility for the team’s implosion. I would have liked them to keep him on but not as captain, and I didn’t see how they could do this. But the way he was let go was completely classless.

    • Bill says:

      I don’t agree with you but I think that’s exactly what Gainey was thinking.

      Gainey’s biggest blunder was replacing Koivu with Gomez. I mean, as a big Saku fan I hated it from the beginning, but in hindsight, there is no one who can defend that move with the possible exception of Vancouver Hab when he’s up for it.

      Some would say, if they’d keep Koivu and not gotten Gomez, we would never have gotten Cammalleri or Gionta. To which I say, that doesn’t sound so bad to me.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • twilighthours says:

        The idea of replacing Koivu is defensible. The idea of replacing him with Gomez was – at that time – even defensible. No one but Chris could have predicted how mighty his sucking decline would be. The Gomez of 5 years ago would be a better option than Koivu today.

        Gainey gambled and lost. Sh!t happens. Bring the same cast of characters – those players who presided over the most humiliating playoff series of my lifetime – was not an option.

        • Chris says:

          Even a blind squirrel finds one nut over 10 years.

          For example…I also claimed that I would be surprised if Stamkos was much more than a second line centre when he came out of the OHL, based on what I saw of him in Sarnia-Guelph games.

          Some prognosticator I made. ;)

      • 69HABS says:

        His second biggest was letting Ryder go!

    • Chris says:

      I agree to an extent, and the only player whose jersey I have felt compelled to buy in the last 20 years was that of Koivu.

      Koviu is a great captain if he has a team of players who are honest and responsible. Unfortunately, the situation became untenable: the Three Amigos were followed by Kovalev sowing dissension (much like Cammalleri would do later) to try to win the captaincy for himself, the cliques and a gradual eroding of the team’s leadership base.

      Most hockey teams do not gut their leadership over the years the way Montreal did. That anybody would be surprised to see Koivu basically helpless was shocking.

      Based on everything I’ve heard and read, Koivu is an exemplary captain, respected by both his peers within the sport and those outside of hockey. But he was the wrong captain for the Montreal Canadiens in the late 2000’s.

      As I said below, I think Koivu was at least partially responsible for leaving the way he did. The Beliveau tenure record was awkward for Montreal…they could not allow Koivu to pas their most beloved captain given his lack of Stanley Cups. Koivu recognized that this would not go over well, and seemed relieved to be allowed to go elsewhere.

    • neumann103 says:

      Long time Koivu fan. His return game after fighting non-Hogkins lymphoma was one of the most moving sports experiences I can remember.

      I have often heard of these rumours and references about discord and factions in the Habs room in the latter Koivu years. What were the specifics? Other than hearing that Koivu and Ribeiro did not get along I have never heard any actual details.

      Spill the dirt, Habby gossips.

      “Et le but!”

    • ooder says:

      I think a huge issue was the fact that the coach refused to talk to the players. The only communication came from Kirk Muller and that is no where near enough.
      The problem is by the time Saku was 34/35 he couldn’t be a first or second line center. The knee problems, the cancer and all the various injuries took a toll on his body. I think this is why he is thriving in Anaheim. Because there is less pressure on him to be the go to guy.
      Koivu is a way better captain then Gionta was IMO. And I would have loved to see him hae success with the habs. Unfortunately it was just not the case.

  36. Thomas Le Fan says:

    I agree with not throwing White under the bus but he needs a much shorter leash or a brain transplant. You better be up by about four with under four minutes to go before you just start wailing on someone. Sheesh.

    • showey47 says:

      White needs to learn that a 4th line role is to chew minutes,not be a defensive liability, and if they chip in with the odd goal,bonus. Not to go out and pound somebody just because he hits you or one of your team mates. If he feels the need to throw down,he better make sure his opponent drops his mits also so at least he takes a player with him. Or like you said,if he needs to go pugilistic on somebody we better be up by alot more then 2 goals.

  37. rhino514 says:

    Koivu was a good player and great in the playoffs because he always played with tons of heart. And the playoffs is when it really matters.
    Should have stayed on the team longer, but we were lucky enough to have him for thirteen years.
    The guys who you know are going to be there in the playoffs, those are the real leaders.
    On the current team i would feel good about Markov, Pleks, and possibly Gionta. But not as confident as having Koivu (earlier on)
    Ironically enough Koivu in some mysterious way was held accountable for his teams (that´s TEAM, as in 23 players) not going far in the playoffs, yet if you had a team full of Koivus that team would assuredly win the Stanley cup every year.

    • ont fan says:

      Gainey had to let Koivu and the rest go to free agency. The team was a mess.As for getting nothing for them, he let them go for other free agents. Established players. It was a trade. He just reshuffled the deck hoping it was a new era. The Gomez deal was the start. No holding, small, fast, players were going to be rejuvenated. It wasn’t to be. He took a shot. He could have resigned the lot of them. He could have gave up the season for draft picks and got killed on these pages and the press.

      • otter649 says:

        At the time Habs were going for a playoff spot which they got so they could not trade off players for assets although they traded did Rivet for a good return……

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    Ducks and Habs trade!
    White, Armstrong and Weber for Koivu and 5th round DePattie.
    Koivu to play against the leafs tonight, centering the 4th line!

    Where did I see that?? Somewhere!!in my dreams while using the snow blower this morning.!

  39. Hobie Hansen says:

    A group of friends and I were lucky enough to spend an evening with Saku Koivu on Crescent ST, the summer after the 2004/05 season was cancelled.

    I was visiting Montreal, my home town, from Toronto and my girlfriend at the time, my buddy and his girlfriend went out to hit the town. I believe the bar was Hurley’s?

    You could still smoke in bars at the time so my friend and I headed upstairs to enjoy a cigar with our drinks. When we noticed we hadn’t seen the girls in a while I ventured downstairs to investigate.

    To my astonishment, both girls were sitting at a table with Saku Koivu and Craig Rivet. MY jaw literately hit the floor when Koivu’s face lit up with a big smile and he pointed at me and said “there he is,” and waved me over.

    My buddy who’s a fairly accomplished hockey player,came down moments after and the six of us sat there for hours drinking pints of beer and doing shots of Jägermeister. Koivu and Rivet were the nicest hockey players I’ve ever met and they were both fascinated with the dozens of injuries my buddy had sustained playing college hockey in the States. Rivet actually was giving me some fighting tips and we wrested right in the bar. He would have obviously destroyed me with a flick of a finger if he felt like it :-).

    It was a night I’ll never forget and I have a great picture of Koivu, Rivet, my buddy and me, sitting on my mantle, right beside my mini Habs Stanley Cup.

    Oh, and the part I usually leave out because it’s so embarrassing, myself and one of the girls each mistakenly dumped a beer onto the laps of the majority of people at the table, mostly landing on Koivu. :-(

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Did your girlfriend leave with Saku and Craig?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Lol. These guys were such gentlemen that they didn’t have my buddy and I worried for more then a second. They were true professionals and super polite and friendly to everyone they spoke with.

        If it were Shayne Corson and Chris Chelios, my buddy and I would have left alone I’m sure. :-).

  40. JohnBellyful says:

    Question: When the condo towers get built, will that make the Montreal Canadiens a 48-storeyed franchise?

  41. BJ says:

    Certainly a mistake in letting Koivu go. He was my favorite player while with the Habs. I had the pleasure to photograph him in Europe when he played for TPS Turku and also at his first appearance in a World Championship in 1993 in Munich. Great player that was surrounded mostly by dead wood with a few exceptions. His Habs game worn 3rd jersey hangs on the wall in front by my office computer. Courageous player that had to deal with him not speaking french and added to the pressure of not only playing in Montreal but being a captain to boot. I love the french canadian element on the Canadiens (unfortunately not much of it left) but I can understand someone not being able to learn a language easily or feeling inadequate to express himself in the media.

    • FinnHabs says:

      Legend here…even a bigger legend back home in Finland. The beginning: 1995 World Championships – Huey, Dewey & Louie (Koivu, Lehtinen, Peltonen).

  42. Strummer says:

    This is for Ryan “Scarecrow” White

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauLgZISozs

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  43. JohnBellyful says:

    I do not consider myself a fickle fan. I have ALWAYS fulminated and pointed the finger at feckless fools whose flabbergasting follies foil the efforts of fellow players, causing defeat.
    I hope I have made myself alliteratively clear.

  44. Cal says:

    Koivu was never that great, especially after the first of his knee injuries. His years here were marked by centers like Damphousse being traded away and that glorious trade of Desjardins and Leclair for Dr. Recchi.
    The Habs never got past the second round with him and I was astonished when the Habs kept offering him contract after contract. Frankly, I am glad the Habs let him walk to Anaheim. The Habs have finished 1st in the conference and went to the ECF since he’s been gone.
    Anaheim has done nothing in the playoffs since he signed there.
    The Koivu era in Montreal is one that is marked by consistent failure and I am very glad it is over.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Your analysis is a bit tough but generally true. You’re correct that his knee injuries took him from star status to good player status. Prior to his first knee injury he was leading the NHL in scoring and he was never quite as explosive after.

      I consider him a really good second line player, kinda like Plekanec. Unfortunately the Canadiens were never able to surround him with top tier players and he was leaned on way too heavily.

      He’s a great guy with a great heart and I wish Gomez never arrived and Koivu stayed.

      • New says:

        You nailed it. He deserved better than he received in Montreal. In fairness though no one on the Canadiens has done much for the last 20 years so Koivu stands out more than he perhaps should. I was so surprised he didn’t ask out after the flash in the hospital room. One classy guy.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      Put some honey in that tea, Cal, I think you’re much too harsh on Koivu. I liked him as a player and as a person. The failure of the team wasn’t his doing.
      Pat Laftontaine, Phil Housley, Peter Stasny, Gilbert Perrault, Pierre Turgeon, Mike Gartner, Mats Sundin, Dale Hawerchuk and Adam Oates never won the Cup (from Bleacher Report). Their teams might have advanced further in the playoffs but was that because their surrounding rosters were much stronger than Koivu’s?
      I would have checked but researching those 10 names left me exhausted. :)

      • Cal says:

        His tenure here was a modern day Dark Age for the Habs.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          Is that his fault? You could argue he was a beacon. He carried the torch with pride, and set an example for other players. Perhaps his talent didn’t match the expectations of others, but he’s done better than most of the players drafted ahead of him and in the first two rounds.

          • Cal says:

            Management’s insistence that Koivu was a #1 center doomed him and us to years of mediocrity.
            I know his supporting cast was mediocre, as well, but he was the Habs’ face during that long, troubling time. His best stats were in 06/07. 75 points and minus 21.

          • JohnBellyful says:

            Management, then, should bear the fault for those lean years for not having done more to bolster the roster.
            His teams might have been mediocre but his career has been anything but, having played more than 1,000 games in the NHL, won two major trophies, and been a member of Finnish teams that won silver medals at the Olympics and World Cup, and a gold at the IIHF World Championships.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Cal – The reason that Koivu was forced to be a #1 centre is the same reason that Pleks was forced into the role – the team didn’t have anyone better. It’s a chronic problem that is still ongoing (part of the Gainey legacy). Maybe Galchenyuk might solve that problem but we won’t know for another few years.

    • Arrow77 says:

      That just proves he was in bad teams. You can’t blame him for the Patrick Roy trade.

      Edit: wait. I missed the part where you actually blamed him for the Leclair trade. OMG…

  45. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Pat Hickey’s ‘Pitter Patter’ on the cost to a family supporting the dreams of their kids in hockey is eye-opening

    …in My day, of course, the cost was night and day different than in today’s World …yet, still, there is no end of high-end talent among this generation’s kids

  46. Habitant in Surrey says:

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockeynightincanadaradio/video/#id=2333336064

    …speaking of Bob Gainey …here is Sirius FM’s Gord Stellick’s interview of BG for Peterborough hosting of Hockey Day in Canada, including discussion of the Canadiens influence with the Peterborough Petes

    …sorry, though lots to complain and second-guess about BG’s days as Our GM, I will never stop loving and respecting His Legacy as a Player

    …and less We forget, much of the icons We revere of today’s Habs, ie Carey Price, were brought to Us by said Mr. Gainey

    • Clay says:

      I agree – as a player, Gainey has my eternal respect. As a GM – not even close. His tenure was an unmitigated disaster.

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      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …Clay, shall We agree, though, that GM Bob Gainey was the high water mark for Habs’ GMs over the last 20 years until Marc Bergevin assumed the responsibility ?

        …I know that’s not saying much …but… :)

        …in this interview You can still tell in His words and sound of His voice He still maintains affection and respect for Montreal and the Montreal Canadiens

        …but, funny, when Stellick asked Him what are His responsibilities in Dallas He sounded kind of vague, and couldn’t remember the last name of their AHL coach (Willie Desjardins) in Austin (the Stars farm team) :)

        …oh well :)

        …but still one of My 10 all-time Great Habs’ Players

        • Clay says:

          Well, that doesn’t take much, so maybe. He made some serious blunders though, like not getting any value for all of the UFA’s. But to me the low point of all Habs management since the Roy debacle was the ‘Gomez in, Koivu out’ fiasco, which still irks me to no end. This story just brought up those feelings again, like it happened yesterday.
          Koivu deserved better, and Gainey should have known better. Gomez was already washed up and grossly overpaid, and we threw a blue-chip prospect in to sweeten the deal? Wow, what a terrible trade that was. Again – perhaps the worst (save Roy) in the history of the franchise (partly due to the fact that it was done in the era of the salary cap).

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          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …How are things in Shanghai Clay ?

          • Clay says:

            It’s going great Christopher! Although the Lunar (Chinese) New Year here is loud and smokey. Hard to sleep or breathe for the next few days. In fact, as I type this there are fireworks hitting the window of my 5th floor apartment. Great for my daughter though!

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          • wjc says:

            Clay, if I may respond to your post.

            When you are close to making the playoffs and the trade deadline is appoaching. You have two choices.

            1. Give up the season and trade players.

            2. Stick with the team and try to make the playoffs and the money it means to the ownership.

            The fans usually want to go for it when it is close. This happened a few times where they were sitting at 10th, 9th, 8th, 7th and were not sure if they could pull it off or not.

            This handcuffs a manager. He cannot get anything back if they go free agency route.

            How many free agents ended up in Montreal and the team they used to play for got no compensation. This is how the system works.

            When Gomez played his first season with Montreal, he grabbed about 60 points and the Canadiens went deep into the playoffs. So for a while it looked like Canadiens and Gainey had made a smart move changing things up.

            Trades were made, some do not work out. Drafts are made and they do not work out…..hindsight is perfect remember.

            Pactracetty, Georges was a Gainey steal.

            Gill was a good pick up. Price was a good draft, that Gainey had to defend from fans in an uproar.

            Kostitsyns did not work out. Kovalev was a steal from the Rangers.

            You could name good and bad trades, but that is the way hockey is.

            You can always look back and say “wow” that was stupid and forget Markov drafted 200 and something. Halak overlooked by everyone except Montreal in selection 150 or something.

            To get the picks, you first have to fail and fail big, then you get Galenchyuk.

            In Montreal this failure is considered unacceptable and selling off and starting again has no guarantees.

            People talk about “tanking” but have no idea how this would take place….team would have to trade off assets for draft choices that would take years to develop. Meantime coaches and managers would be fired because of the out cry from the fans. So they try to put a competive team on the ice in real time and hope to get lucky when free agents and drafts take place.

            This is a tough business and you need a thick skin to survive.

            wjc

          • Clay says:

            Of course you may reply WJC! I actually addressed the draft question below, so no need to go over it again. And I understand the realities of trying to make the playoffs vs. selling off assets. But that team was clearly going nowhere, and letting that many free agents go for nothing was just bad management.
            I will grant that Gainey made some good moves (Kovalev, Georges, et.all), although his bad ones to me are egregious. But that’s not really the issue here; the handling of Koivu is. Had he been offered a contract, he would likely still be playing for the Habs. The fact that he was not even offered one was stupid, and disrespectful to the player who gave so much to this team and city – and still has a lot to give.

            As an aside: I don’t think that Gainey had to defend the choice of Price ‘from fans in an uproar’. Most, if not all, Habs fans thought that Price was an excellent draft pick (me included). I think Gainey had to defend playing him before he was ready, and defend firing 2 (good) coaches because they wanted to play the goalie that was winning games. He also should have been made accountable for his ‘baking bread’ comment, but that’s another issue entirely.

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        • habstrinifan says:

          There is a certain sadness in how you describe Gainey attention to details re his Dallas duties.

          • Clay says:

            I think that Gainey was never the same after the death of his daughter, and left the managing to others (namely PG when he was assistant GM) . And I can’t blame him one bit. That’s a tough pill to swallow.

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      • Cal says:

        Gainey got the prospect pipeline rolling by picking Price and Subban. Trading Rivet for Gorges and a pick that became Patches. When he took over from Carbo behind the bench, he saw what he had and let that useless group of UFAs walk. I agree he should have traded them all away and received picks in exchange.
        MB has a decent core to start with thanks to Gainey. When Gainey showed up, the Habs had nothing.

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        • Clay says:

          Cal, draft picks are always a crap-shoot. The great Patrick Roy went 51st overall in the third round. I believe the proper way to evaluate a GM is how he manages the things he can control, and to me trades are the biggest part of this.
          Case in point; I think many would agree that Rejean Houle was the worst GM the Habs have ever had (although a strong case could be made for Grundman – see below), yet he was responsible for drafting Markov (in the 6th round, 162nd overall) – who IMO is the best player this team has had in the past 20 years. despite this, I still think he was a terrible GM.
          We all remember Grundman’s folly in drafting Doug Wickenheiser first overall, but let’s not forget that he drafted Guy Carbonneau, Chris Nilan, and Mats Naslund as well. It is likely less known that he drafted both Viacheslav Fetisov and Vladislav Tretiak, although they never played here. My point is that even the worst GM can draft a few winners…

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  47. Clay says:

    Interesting that this story came out now. I was thinking yesterday during the shootout after the White induced collapse that what this team needs is Koivu. Great captain, great player (and always great in shootouts). Never took a shift off. The crap teams he made look at least respectable is stark testament to his value on the team. I think his jersey should be retired here.
    Letting him walk was a huge mistake (especially since it ushered in the Gomez era), and so foolish not to at least get fair value in a trade for an asset like him.
    *Edit*
    I agree with Bozo (below) that a big part of him leaving was to make sure that J-B remained the longest serving captain.

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    • wjc says:

      Clay, they could not trade him they made the playoffs. Were they supposed to trade him at the deadline and give up the playoffs.

      Last time he was with Montreal they lost 4 straight to Boston and barely put up a fight. Gainey did not see a future with this and made changes.

      wjc

      • Clay says:

        No – they were supposed to offer him a contract. Trading should have been the last resort.

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  48. ClutchNGrab says:

    As a Canadiens fan, I find the Toronto Star article comparing the struggle of the Leafs with the struggle of the Habs since the original six days insulting to the Canadiens organization. There is no need to include the last Canadian team to win a Stanley cup to excuse the mediocrity of MLSE.

  49. Say Ash says:

    Anybody know what time Guy Lafleur will be appearing at the Richmond Oval tomorrow? Can’t find a link with a schedule.

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …starts 10:30 AM Ash

      …He will also sign autographs at a mall in Langley on the 10th, I believe 1 to 3 PM (you can Google event’s and mall’s name & location …I can’t remember off hand)

  50. commandant says:

    I’d take Saku back in a heartbeat if we ever got the opportunity.

    I loved that guy

    Go Habs Go!
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  51. HardHabits says:

    People.

    Stop re-writing history or trying to. Koivu was never traded. If only. The Habs needed renewal and as Bozo says the legacy of JB was at risk. It had to be done. The way it was done was not just classless though… it was strategically a disaster as well.

    Gainey flubbed a lot of things and one of the big flubs was letting Koivu walk, along with 10 other UFA’s for nada, zilch, nothing, and then replacing the team with Gomez and company.

    What was really sad, while Koivu was still here, was seeing Gainey come down from the rafters to replace his coach and friend… the best move he ever made as GM… because that coach wanted to play the other guy (the same thing happened to Julien) only to see the Habs get swept in the first round.

    A year later, if Martin had not just been signed and with a nice little penalty for getting fired, BG might have come down for a 3rd time. Had it not been for Halak the whole thing would have blown up sooner than last season.

    Old wounds meet salt.

    • Clay says:

      That about sums it up…

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    • wjc says:

      JB, you mean Jean Beliveau? You saying Koivu was let go go so Beliveau could be longest running captain. What a bunch of baloney.

      Gainey came down and seen for himself what was going on. The Koivu led Canadiens got swept by the Bruins with barely a whimper. He came, he saw, and he swept those losers out the door.

      Next year they went to the third round, quite a difference. Give all the credit if you want but it was a team effort. Goals had to be scored and shots blocked and strategy had to be good for them to get by some very good teams.

      Molsen was happy because he made a ton of money the next year.

      Let Koivu skate into the sunset it did not work. No playoff heroic’s that I ever noticed.

      wjc

  52. Ian Cobb says:

    I think the treatment shown by our Canadiens club towards Koivu when trading him was shameful.
    Poor management and coaching at the time was responsible. Not the quality and classy Mtl/. Canadiens that I grew up with.
    Maybe someday we can make it up to this great man and classy player.

    • H.Upmann says:

      I hope we do, Ian! It was a disgrace that Gomez wore #11!

    • Say Ash says:

      He wasn’t traded. And the players that came in took the team to the conference finals – something he never did in his 13 years with the team.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        Oh well look at us we got to the conference finals. Joyous day we should celebrate. Listen to what you’re saying, not the finals, the conference finals. Do they even hang banners for that achievement?

        • Say Ash says:

          Koivu wouldn’t have been part of the festivities if they did.

          • Clay says:

            Jesus man. It’s a team sport, and the only position player who can realistically steal a series single-handedly is a goalie. Koivu was – and is – much better than you give him credit for.

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        • Habsrule1 says:

          I know where you’re coming from but being the 4th best team left is a pretty good thing. It’s not the Cup, but it’s still something to be happy about when the team hasn’t done it in as long as they hadn’t.

          Go Habs Go!!

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        • wjc says:

          What about playoff misses and losses 4 straight during the ‘Koviu’ era.

          wjc

  53. MikeHabs says:

    I wish Koivu would retire as a Canadien, even do what Modano did with the Stars.

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  54. H.Upmann says:

    Some friday evening post dinner musings: would I trade DD for Koivu?
    Yes sir I would! One year contract and sentimental value..

  55. Old Bald Bird says:

    I would like to take the “thrown under the bus” phrase and throw it under the bus. Whoops …

  56. PrimeTime says:

    Fans are fickle and have no fricken idea. Anyone who takes their opinions seriously are more F’d than what they read here. Uh huh….

  57. HardHabits says:

    Let’s not kid ourselves, the top line so far has been the Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta line, and the 2nd best line has been the kid line of Prust-Galchenyuk-Gallagher.

    The Pacioretty-Desharnais-Cole line up to now appears unable to capture its past magic and looks like it won’t capture it again. To say they are struggling is an understatement. So why continue keeping them together?

    I see Eller with Cole and Pacioretty as a much better and more lethal combo, and with that combo added to the other productive lines the Habs would have 3 very good scoring lines.

    IMHHO, Eller is above Desharnais on the depth chart and I suspect Galchenyuk is too. There’s no doubt about where Plekanec places.

    I think Desharnais has proven that he belongs in the NHL, but I am skeptical that it is as a bona-fide 1st line centre and with the depth of centres coming up in the Habs system I already see him dropping down the chart and pretty soon he could very well fall off of it altogether.

    • wjc says:

      Hardhabits, remember you said ‘so far’. like the 10th game.

      You never know what the next week will bring, the next game.

      Fickle fans, are, well, fickle. Today this is the best. Tomorrow that is the best, but yesterday that was the best. But being fickle is never actually being wrong because after all you are fickle.

      wjc

  58. frontenac1 says:

    Yeah,the Dallas broadcast crew said Stauby engaged in “Delinquent”behaviour.

  59. CCL says:

    white. it’s too bad he takes stupid penalty’s. He’s a team player all the way. Don’t contribute on the scoreboard much but makes up for it in other ways. He’s a hard nose kid. it would be a hard decision to make in getting rid of him. with time to mature. he could be a good asset.

    • 69HABS says:

      Not too long ago the Habs Mob in here were begging for White to be on this team & now the want him gone. Only as good as your last game in Montreal …

      • CCL says:

        He’s only young and when the adrenalin gets going he can’t control himself. But given a chance to mature. I think he’ll be OK. I wouldn’t panic just yet if I was MB and MT. Keep the kid on his toes every time he takes a bad penalty haul him in the office till he smartens up.

        Have him sit a few games.

      • Trisomy 21 says:

        I see statements similar to this all the time… My problem with statements like this is that this is really what you’re read. You’ve seen people who like White, and want him on the team. You see other people who don’t care for him and are coming out of the woodwork now because of the last game. They likely aren’t the same people, and if they are show me names. Because you see opinions going both ways doesn’t mean that the general opinion of this site is flip flopping. Then you use some smart @SS phrase to label the mass of posters here, the same community you post in, throw crap on them and make yourself look sanctimonious.

  60. frontenac1 says:

    Seeing Bryan Allen,Souray,Beauchemin out there….not much nonsense in Anaheim Crease. Hey I think Staubitz was talking to Whitey. He took a stupid penalty in the 1st period which led to a Dallas goal, then he speared a guy in the nuts which got him tossed.

  61. frontenac1 says:

    @jackal. Yeah Amigo, looks like an Alumni game!

  62. JohnBellyful says:

    Bob Cole’s Top 10 Favourite Players

    Bryan Allen
    Matt Ellis
    John Scott
    Blair Jones
    Ian White
    Rick Nash
    Ben Bishop
    Shane Doan
    Paul Martin
    Adam Hall

    Still room for error, though:
    “Allen Bryan passes it to Ryan White, who shovels it over to Great Scott. He’s checked by Billy Bishop and loses the puck to our former prime minister …”

  63. 69HABS says:

    The Habs made a huge mistake letting Ryder go …

  64. Hobie Hansen says:

    I guess the days are gone where a guy thinks about retirement shortly after the age of 30? Each year more and more guys are playing very effectively into their late 30s.

    Makes me feel a little better being a few years away from 40. :-).

  65. frontenac1 says:

    Its 2-0 in the 2nd in Dallas. Pretty chippy and rough game. Koivu,Souray,Beauchemin,Robidas,Ryder…….Oh yeah, I think Gainey in da house too!

  66. HabFab says:

    Mac Bennett returns to action tonight after missing a month with a knee injury.

  67. kempie says:

    So Cherry, McLean & the whole HNIC crew are here in Peterborough for the Hockey Day broadcast tomorrow. Gainey is poking around too. Seems like a good weekend to stay by the fire with some beverages and avoid potential contact of any kind with these guys.

  68. jols101 says:

    I dislike the poll question. I had to vote no because he is 38 years old and I believe we should get younger instead of older. But if the question was – Do you think trading Saku was a huge mistake by the organization? – Hell Ya.

  69. Mr. Biter says:

    Thanks guys for telling me about Real Sports in Toronto. Awesome bar, never been in one like it before. going back tomorrow for the Habs game.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Did you make a reservation? Can be tough to get into especially given the big game tomorrow. You will be amongst the enemy indeed tomorrow. Best of luck!

  70. The Jackal says:

    Saku is awesome, I wish him well, he will always be a Hab to me.

  71. pottymonster says:

    He never won anything with us and that’s the knock that people will use against him, but Koivu was everything the Canadiens represent. I feel that if Bergevin had been at the helm at the time of his contract expiration, that he would have received a new one.

    Definitely one of Gaineys biggest mistakes was valuing Gomez higher than Koivu.

  72. HabFab says:

    What took you so long? I thought someone would never post :)

    Campoli signs to play in the Swiss league… no takers in the NHL?
    Or telling the owners what scums they are…who knows?

  73. Bozo McBozo says:

    Bottom line is that he was dealt so that J-B would be the longest serving Capt on the Habs. No other reason!

    • HabFab says:

      Interesting concept. I’ll have to have another drink to assist it’s digestion.

    • Danno says:

      Things that make you go hmmmmm…..

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Clay says:

      I agree – except that he wasn’t dealt; he just was let go as a free agent. He should have been offered a contract.

      __________________________
      ☞ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself, and you are the easiest person to fool. ~ Richard Feynman ☜

    • Chris says:

      I think that Saku was actually in on that decision too. There seemed to be a LOT of discomfort in Habs land with the idea of Koivu passing Beliveau.

      I don’t think Koivu wanted any part of the BS second-guessing that would come with that event, and a team that has been mired in its own previous greatness certainly wanted nothing to do with it.

  74. HabinBurlington says:

    First to say HabsTrinifan will be happy to see a new Thread!

  75. Mark C says:

    Who did we get in that Koivu trade again?

  76. Cal says:

    Hey jcc10, how’d your boy White do the other night? Speaking of knowing nothing.
    Show me one of my pro-Gomez rants, will you? I don’t recall them.

  77. Habsrule1 says:

    Funny how a GM gets the blame for bad picks but no credit for good ones. I have a sneaky feeling that Gainey had a lot to do with picking Price, and probably many others as well.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  78. Cal says:

    And how’s your boy White doing?

  79. Psycho29 says:

    And you’re showing your “knowledge” if you don’t think that the GM has the final say on any draft choice.

  80. wjc says:

    You have to get bad, before you can good. You have to fall to the depths. Management is a team concept, many people check out Timmin’s list of players.

    Drafting is calculated risk with no guarantees, you consider the players, intelligence, lifestyle, background, abilities, able to handle pressure, maturity, skills,size…..on and on. With all that you can still strike out.

    wjc

  81. habstrinifan says:

    I read somewhere that Timmins was against the Subban pick and Gainey insisted on it. Whether that’s true or not I dont know. Isnt it also Gainey who insisted on selecting a goalie… Price in the first round.

    Regardless, he was the GM and the picks were made under him… so he gets credit.

  82. Say Ash says:

    Right, like that last one on Budaj was a good goal.

  83. As a fellow grammar cop, I’ve had to learn over the years that there’s a time and a place for picking that sort of nit, and I don’t think this is either. If it were though, I’d wager that you could have chosen a less unpleasant way to say it to our friend Stu.

    And on those occasions when I’m still tempted to intercede over a misplaced comma or semicolon, the following quote helps me retain my reason. As Emerson said, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  84. Ah — well, that’s unfortunate. Fortunately the good guys always seem to outnumber the rest in this place. One of the reasons I like it so much. : )

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  85. Mr. Biter says:

    +1000

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  86. Well, to be fair, a punctuation complaint is nothing if not an appeal to consistency of usage. : ) At any rate, no harm done, and we’re all friends here — how about that local sports team?

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  87. Mr. Biter says:

    Same shift Ott also went after Gionta with a cheap shot.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  88. ZepFan2 says:

    You must have missed this part:

    “Last night video review was utilized (as it is in the scoring of all goals) to verify that the puck entered the net legally; meaning that the puck was not kicked, batted with a hand or high stick. The guys conducting this review in the Situation Room must have been pulling out what little hair that might have remaining on their head when they could NOT offer information to the Referee as to how the puck became available for Thomas Vanek to deposit into the net “legally”. As you read the findings from the Situation Room blog their findings could only state, “Good Goal Buffalo.”

    ———————————————————————-
    Ka is a wheel.

    For Your Life

  89. geo_habsgo says:

    For someone who seems quite content to hide behind the veneer of intelligence, you really are coming off as someone rather daft on this site. I am glad that calling other people illiterate makes you feel like you’ve done your part in helping society. Why don’t you take a moral stand against something bigger than the intricacies of grammar? There is no need for pompous attitude’s on here.

  90. Mr. Biter says:

    Boone sounds like Stock (when talking about the Habs) when he rants about White. So when anyone now takes an retaliation penalty will his picture be on the goats head?

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  91. The Dude says:

    Are you surprised by this??? I’ll tell you this….If anyone thinks you can go “all the way”without the best pugilist”who can play the game ” in all weight divisions ,then you are a hockey dunce ! Les Canadiens we’re only successful when they could “take the garbage OUT!”

  92. Uwey says:

    Very, very good point. I drank alot of that Kool-Aid that season!!!

  93. ont fan says:

    Overboard…who goes overboard on here.

  94. HabFanSince72 says:

    In the playoffs fighting essentially disappears and the fighters watch from the press box.

    In 2007-2008 Detroit had one fighter, Aaron Downey. (aka “Aaron Downey-Goes”). He started no games in the playoffs.

    In 2008-2009 the Pens had goon Eric Godard on their roster. He started no games in the playoffs.

    In 20011-2012 the Kings had only one sort-of fighter on their roster, Kyle Clifford. He played all of three games in the playoffs.

    There just isn’t any fighting in the playoffs. Hasn’t been any for over a decade.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  95. D Mex says:

    Consider the source(s) …

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  96. Mr. Biter says:

    But they needed them to get into ther Playoffs.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  97. The Dude says:

    dO WE HAVE ANYTHING LIKE MALKIN OR CROSBY ? What a stupid point! :roll:

  98. commandant says:

    Great point Habfan

    Of all the Cup Winners since the 2005 lockout, the only team who regularly played a goon in the playoffs was the Bruins, and that was Shawn Thornton, a guy who actually has a little bit of talent on the fourth line.

    A guy who can’t take a regular shift and is there simply to throw punches hasn’t been an on ice part of any cup winning team in the last 7 years.

    Go Habs Go!
    Check out Top Shelf Prospects, my Team by Team prospect reports
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  99. Mr. Biter says:

    Out from mommy’s basement I see. Have no idea what you meant about Crosby or Malkin? Oh that right you were more than happy to see us smashed around the rink for the last 2 years till we got Staubitz last year and now Prust. How long do you think the Gally boys would last with out Prust playing with them. If you don’t know nothing about how hockey works keep smoking up and seeing the little animals chasing themselves in the forest. BTW Raffi took it on the chin 1st shift vs. Hawks earlier this week for taking out Hossa last year in playoffs and Hawks also won the game. Bet you it wasn’t Kane giving Raffi an ass whooping but a tough guy.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  100. Chris says:

    These types of call happen literally every night to every team in the league.

    Referees are human, and therefore fallible. The game is long over and there is nothing that is going to come of it.

  101. Danno says:

    They happen a lot more to the Habs. That goal they disallowed agains the Sens was one of the rare exceptions a bad call went in our favour. They almost never do.

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  102. FlyAngler says:

    All that you have to do is a google search and you will find that it is the same officials that seem to have continual controversies with some teams. We know that officials are fallible and do not expect perfection but officials who constantly make headlines for the wrong reasons need to be held accountable. That Peel would be allowed to officiate a game at the Bell Centre after Thursday night constitutes abuse of the Montreal Canadiens and their fans and is totally outrageous.

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  103. Saintpatrick33 says:

    Peel has on numerous occasions screwed the Habs so he’s either incompetent or dirty.

  104. FlyAngler says:

    Or both maybe?

    “Elever le flambeau!…Raise the Torch!”

  105. olematelot says:

    He’s just absolutely along with Chris Lee the most incompetent official in the league.


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