Kings edge Coyotes 2-1, inch closer to final

King
For the first time since 1993 – and we all remember what happened that year – the Los Angeles Kings are going to the Stanley Cup final.
What’s that you say?
They aren’t there yet?
True enough.
But the elimination of the plucky Phoenix Coyotes seems as a mere formality after L.A. took a 3-0 death-grip on their Western Conference final series.

Dwight King – a fourth-round draft choice, 109th overall, in 2007 – scored his fifth goal of the playoffs and his fourth against Phoenix to give the Kings a 2-1 win in Game 3 Thursday night at the Staples Center.

• Getzlaf the goat as Canada bows out of Worlds

• Pat Hickey on the rise of Morgan Ellis

Canadiens prospects at the Memorial Cup

Bruce Arthur on John Tortorella

398 Comments

  1. HabinBurlington says:

    How did the ref miss the highstick? He was five feet away!

  2. jols101 says:

    Ellis getting high praise from the Spots Net crew….

  3. HabinBurlington says:

    J.R. Broadhead pronounced Bournivals name like he is Swedish Mikael, is that correct?

    Edit: I do know he isn’t Swedish, just the way he pronounced it seemed wrong to me.

    • L Elle says:

      Boor (roll r) – Knee – val (pronounce a like o in other)

      Google translate at your service. :)

    • Malreg says:

      The french version of Michael is pronounced as Mikael… I’ve heard people call Bournival that before.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Proper pronunciation is

      Mee-Ka-Elle.

      The umlaut on the e (ë) means that you have to pronounce it as a distinct vowel.

      I think in English it would be appropriate to pronounce it as Michael, but if you want to put in the effort say it as above.

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      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Clay says:

        Umalut is not a word you get to use a lot in conversation – well done! :)

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  4. Mavid says:

    just a special young man who knows is mother is obsessed,,

  5. Mavid says:

    I have this part of me that loves violence..I realize this is not normal..especially for a woman of my age group..but thats the way it is..

    • HabinBurlington says:

      @Mavid, I have no issue with the fight, but when both kids are wearing visors, all they do is rip their knuckles apart. I suppose better than concussions. Just still ingrained with 70s fights where there were no helmets in sight.

  6. jols101 says:

    Ellis just look great on that 1 on 1 and then Bournival showed some high end jets breaking the other way…

  7. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Why don’t the fans have any life?

  8. Mavid says:

    our new GM…

    I came home from work and one of my son’s had been by the house to drop something off, and on the table was a Hab’s mug that says “#1 fan” and a tin with cards, and coasters and stuff…such a great young man..:-)

  9. frontenac1 says:

    They dropped their mitts! Love it !

  10. Mavid says:

    FIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

  11. Mavid says:

    yes I see the Memorial Cup is on sportsnet…good I will be ok then..

  12. Mark C says:

    Worth keeping an eye on #10 for the Wheat Kings, Henrik Samuelsson, may be a player Montreal looks at with a 2nd/3rd round pick.

  13. jols101 says:

    Only been one period but i think the 2 best teams will be London and Saint John. Tinordi vs Beaulieu in the final game would be fun too watch…

    • habsfanforever7631 says:

      It cant cause there playing against each other, so only one of them will advance.
      But yeah it would be cool to see them 2 in the final.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Any of the four can meet in final. They all play each other round robin.

        • jols101 says:

          You got that right HB…i hope that is what happens. it will make for great dressing room talk in Hamilton next year….or will it be in Montreal…

          • habsfanforever7631 says:

            My apologies, didn’t really know how it worked.
            Then hell yeah I’d love that!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            No worries 7631. Great game so far, kids are just busting their tails off out there.

          • jols101 says:

            No worries habsfan, i am 40 years old and have been watching the Memorial Cup and the WJC since I was 17 years old when I played junior. I was never good enough to play WJC and never got close to a Memorial Cup. They say that the Memorial Cup is the hardest trophy to win in hockey including Lord Stanely

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Tell that to Leafs fans.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

  14. habsfanforever7631 says:

    These fans in Shawinigan remind me of Sens fans, no life!
    The memorial cup is suppose to be a big event.

  15. L Elle says:

    @burly. The link on the previous page to RDS googled is hilarious.

    “I look closely many names” Reminds me of AK
    Remember him?

  16. habsfanforever7631 says:

    1-1 Shawinigan, Ellis gets the assist.

  17. jols101 says:

    Haven’t noticed Morgan Ellis yet, is he not playing for the Cats. What number is he?

  18. habsfanforever7631 says:

    @HabinBurlington
    Got it, thanks!

  19. Mavid says:

    with no hockey on tonight..what the hell are we suppose to do with ourselves…

  20. jols101 says:

    Hope Bournival impresses a little bit more tonight; he wasn’t very good at the WJC…

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    Guy GUy GUY!!!

    (Lafleur just introduced at center ice for Memorial Cup)

  22. habsfanforever7631 says:

    Hey guys, is there any where on the internet I could watch the Memorial cup?
    I want to watch the game tonight, and all the games.

    Thanks

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Uh oh, Eklund is reporting Habs were closer than many thought in trying to get Rick Nash, and now he is saying Rick Nash is very respectful of Marc Bergevin…. At least now we know where Plex is being traded ;-)

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Why are you believing this freaking crap? Eklund is nothing but full of BS. 97 percent of his rumors have been proved false.

    • Mark C says:

      Best news of the day! Now I never have to worry about the Habs making a dumb trade for that overrated, overpaid, has-been.

      • punkster says:

        Ya like they’ve never done that before (rolls eyes)…

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • HabinBurlington says:

        This is going to up the ante and now Toronto will have to be willing throw in Komisarek to have any chance, this will cripple the Leafs Mark!

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Wait wait wait a minute here. I have Mike Komisarek earmarked for the Canadiens, we’re taking him as compensation for the Leafs taking Tomas Kaberle off our hands.

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          In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Aren’t the Habs going to need to replace Gomez with another overpaid oberated has been?

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    • jols101 says:

      Wow, there goes the Habs future! At the trade deadline the Columbus GM was asking a crazy amount. So, I could see it being Pleks, Tinordi or Beaulieu and our 3rd overall pick or Pleks and Subban…Both scenerios are carzy and i will go from loving Bergevin to hating him in a split second…

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        We are not a Rick Nash away from winning the Stanley Cup, we need depth as opposed to one missing piece. I think Rick Nash will go to the Canucks or Sharks or Hawks or Rangers, a team with legitimate aspirations who think he will put them over the top. We can safely ignore these rumours I think.

        ———————————
        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Rene Bourque saying all the right things about a better next season and beyond.

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=632031

  25. The Cat says:

    Its much tougher to rig an NFL game than an NHL game, mainly because of the big amount of attention and money bet on the NFL games. NHL is so nothing compared to the NFL when it comes to gambling.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  26. LEAF KILLERS says:

    does Montreal still own the rights to Boyd and Dawes?

  27. naweed235 says:

    So hear me out before you jump to conclusions…
    We all agree that in order for this team to become competitive again, some major changes must come about and the firing of Gauthier and hiring of Bergevin was the first step. Bergevin stated on numerous occasions that he wants to build a team that has a tight bond and “Team First” mentality is a must. I believe that we have a good group of guys. Now whether we like to hear the truth or not, by all indications, Subban seems to be “the black sheep” (No Pawn intended) in the room. I know people are going to say “how would you know that? are you in the dressing room often? NO? then STFU… etc.” and that’s fine. But when you look at it with a logical perspective, Subban seems to be the only one who kept on getting into fights with his team mates at practices. Also, Based on the interviews that I’ve seen from people who are part of the team (i.e.Pleks, DD on Antichambre, Markove and even Jacques Martin) nobody seems to want to defend him regarding his attitude. JM even said ” I am not sure if Subban plays for PK or for the team…”
    Trust me when I say I truly believe that he is the best all around player on the Habs current roster… at least as far as the play in between the whistles go… but he seems to be huge distraction to the team nonetheless.
    Furthermore, I think we have enough young D prospects that can step up in a year or two.
    All that said, Montreal should trade Subban and one of the later 2nd round picks to Edmonton for the first overall pick. With that pick they get Yakupov. With the other 1st round pick they take Matt Dumba. This kid IS THE REAL DEAL and there is no doubt that he will be a superstar in the NHL soon. If you haven’t seen him play already you can watch this video to get an idea of how good he is:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXlnwBqUoS4
    He hits like I’ve never seen anybody hit… He is Scott Stevenson but with huge offensive upside. He has the same type of flare as Subban and can drop them with the best of them. There is not question he will be drafted in the top 5.

    • New says:

      You make an excellent point about acquiring another high first round pick and Dumba would be as good as any. He would look really good playing alongside Subban in a couple years. A 3 and 5 pick would be nice. Perhaps TO would trade their pick for Kaberle.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Do you really want another Mcdonagh scenario? If they trade Subban it will come back to haunt them for years to come. He’s the best young player we’ve in a long long time. Really who cares what Markov thinks of him anyway. Subban will be a force in the league long after Markov is gone.

      • naweed235 says:

        I completely agree with you on how good Subban is. The problem is a team that is constantly dealing with distractions and BS b/c of mostly one player, is better off without that player. I really wish Subban had Gorges’ attitude but unfortunately for us he seems to stir more crap up in the room than SK74 and Co. did.
        Again all that is said assuming Bergevin really puts as much emphasis on the team spirit as he actually gave impression of in the last few weeks.

        • Fab K says:

          I would totally do it… Subban + our second from next year for 1st overall, giving us 2 picks in the top 5… you make great points.

          Would Edmonton however? i think they would ask for more…

  28. jedimyrmidon says:

    Is it uncommon to have 4 prospects of a given NHL team in the Memorial Cup? Are there other fanbases that are eagerly waiting to see how a number of potential future NHLers will perform on their respective junior teams?

    In any case, what’s nice to see is that the 3 D men are top pairing D men and appear to play an important role on each of their teams and contribute to their success while Bournival is also a captain (and Ellis was a captain, Tinordi is a captain and Beaulieu has an A, I think).

    • GrimJim says:

      It’s a little tough to determine because it seems that no one is reporting who the prospects belong to. The closest I could find is the team rosters on SportsNet.ca but they have the players’ draft team not the current rights holder (ie Bourneval is listed as a Col pick, not a Mtl prospect). So these numbers might be a little off. Mtl has four prospects. Edm and Stlouis have three picks. Nash and Florida have two picks. Calg, Bos, Buff, NYR, Pitt, Tor, TB, CBJ, SJ, Wash, Det, Min Col, Phx, Phil and NYI all have one pick.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Thanks for doing that Jim, I have to think when it comes to players in the Memorial Cup we probably lead the way. It doesn’t guarantee anything, but it can’t hurt.

      • jedimyrmidon says:

        Nice, thanks for looking that up!

        Have high hopes for Tinordi and Beaulieu especially. And I hope Ellis becomes a steal of the 2010 draft.

  29. Bripro says:

    That’s it for me.
    Backwash the pool time, then fresh trout on the BBQ,
    followed by a fine night of Guinness and poker!
    Behave yourselves.
    À la prochaine chicane!

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    What do you all think of Filip Forsberg?

    He’s now up to number 2 on some draft rankings.

    He’s described as a tough physical gifted centre. This year he played in the gold medal winning U20 team, despite being only 17. He captained the U18 team to the finals.

    Yet he only scored 18 points in 50 games in the Swedish second division.

    What’s the story?


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • jon514 says:

      I dunno, you look at the points he put up in International competitions and the points Grigorenko put up. You look at the points he put up in his league play vs. the points Grigorenko put up and you gotta wonder…

    • shiram says:

      Forsberg is a great hockey name, Filip not so much.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • Malreg says:

      He is definitely NOT a center. He was mistakenly listed as a center on one of the Central Scouting rankings, but many people have confirmed that he has played exlusively as a winger (mostly right-wing) in his last two seasons in Sweden.

  31. BobDobbs says:

    I hope the selection of the Canadiens’ next coach sets the table for a 25th cup, however I hope Bergevin’s press conference regarding the selection later today attracts a maximum of 24 people to gather.

    • jols101 says:

      What time is the press conference? Haven’t heard anything about it…

      • BobDobbs says:

        Last night on RDS it was reported for some time today, but I have no more information than that.

        • GrimJim says:

          If it hasn’t happened by now, 99% sure it ain’t happening. Newspaper reporters are satrting to write their stories for Sat paper about now. Stories for 6pm newscasts are being edited right now. The only PR personnel who would schedule a news conference for 5pm on a Friday afternoon are those that want to bury the story so deep it will never appear (or its some disaster that just happened)…

        • Cardiac says:

          Nice try…

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          - Jerry Maguire

          • BobDobbs says:

            What do you mean, ‘nice try’? Why would I make something like that up, it wouldn’t be clever, I have nothing to gain. Anyways I heard the last hour on RDS that they’ll be speaking with Bergevin soon this evening, so it’s definitely happening.

  32. jols101 says:

    There has been a lot of great discussion today on the re tool or re build facing Bergevin and I just wanted to add my two cents.
    Instead of competing with the other 29 GMs to sign 30 year old UFA’s like Parise or Parenteau I would like to see Bergevin try to build the core of the team. If we can agree that the core is between 22-26 years of age and includes, Price, Subban, Patches, Eller, DD, Emelin, and LL. Plus the Habs have some great 20 year old prospects that will be ready to join the core in a year or two like, Tinordi, Beaulieu, Ellis and Gallagher. So, instead of trying to add older UFA’s I hope Bergevin trys to pry a JVR from Philly or a Chris Stewart from St. Louis.

    Philly has major Cap issues and with the emergence of some other young guns JVR might be ripe for the picking. Philly woundn’t want to take back any salary so we would have to offer Tinordi or Beaulieu and one of our 2nd round picks next year. I would do that…

    Chris Stewart had an off season this year and was a healthy scratch many times, but he still has a high ceiling with loads of potential. For Stewart I was thinking Gionta and one of our second round picks. I would do that…

    Either of these guys would grow with our core and when the young prospects are ready to step up, the Habs would finally be a contending force for many years…

    Mr. Bergevin if you are reading(lol) do not under any circumstances include the Habs 3rd overall pick to make this happen. That would be one step forward two steps back

    • ont fan says:

      No draft choices unless it is for prospects or other draft choices.

    • Fab K says:

      Those would be great additions, however the problem i have is i wouldn’t want to risk a repeat of the McDonagh trade. Tinordi and Beaulieu are our top D prospects, so unless the offer from the other team far exceeds the return, they should remain untouchable… I (and i’m sure everyone else agrees) hate trading a prospect that turns into a star, such as McDonagh.

      Also, trading draft picks would be going the wrong route… We need these to build our future. The next 2 years is where we need to load up on offensive (especially) and goaltending prospects… Then after that we could consider trading picks again… We need to load the farm.

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    Question for Bripro, how many Superbowls have the Patriots won since Spygate?

    • Bripro says:

      Who…me? Whadeyedo? Spygate???? Really?
      OK so throw your cheap shots, Gerry! ;)
      Goodell had it in for Belichick so he yanked their draft pick.
      Brandon Jacobs told me so!

    • TomNickle says:

      That league more than any has pre-determined outcome quite often Gerald.

      Don’t get me wrong, I love that sport and probably more so than hockey, but the on-field product is so corrupt that it’s sickening.

      I stopped having a rooting interest in it a while ago due to the way games are officiated and the number of players and officials who are bought.

      Two perfect examples. In the last five playoff games that the New Orleans Saints have played they weren’t called for a single holding penalty offensively. Their opponents have been….

      San Francisco
      Detroit
      Seattle
      Indianapolis
      Minnesota

      San Francisco, Detroit, Minnesota and Indianapolis all had one thing in common at the time that they played against New Orleans in the playoffs. Ferocious pass rushes. The Saints have had an excellent offensive line for years but nothing close to the best in the history of the sport.

      On the player purchasing front. The Green Bay Packers receivers had seven drops during the entire 2011-2012 season. They had 8 in their divisional round game against the New York Giants.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        That’s why you gotta cheer for the all time Champs Tom, Steelers man ;-)

        • Bripro says:

          Attaboy Gerry!
          Let’s give Lawlessburger some slack!
          To be honest, they need to put a gag order on most of your guys.

        • TomNickle says:

          The Packers and Browns are the teams I loved as a kid and still do to a certain extent.

          That game is rarely decided by the better play of the opposing team in the playoffs though and it’s often the result of officials or more than suspect play from a couple of people.

          Mike Vanderjagt missing a field goal by more than the length of a larger than modest sized house rings a bell.

          The Seattle Seahawks having a Superbowl ripped out of their hands by officials against the Steelers(sorry).

          Just a couple of dozens of examples of more than suspect officiating or play that decided playoff games in the NFL.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Pretty bold allegations there Tom.

        ———————————
        In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

        • TomNickle says:

          I’ve seen enough NFL playoff football to know that it isn’t coincidence when all’s said and done. I’m not saying every game is decided this way, but it seems to happen quite often when there’s a substantial amount of money to be made.

          • Habsolutely says:

            So when it happens in hockey and we complain about it you come here and say it’s all just a coincidence and incompetence, yet when it happens in the NFL it’s rigged? Sorry, disagree. The NFL is way more transparent than the NHL.

  34. Dr.Rex says:

    Days before the 2005 NFL draft the 49ers contacted Aaron Rodgers to inform him that they will probably be choosing him 1st overall. After that conversation a scout who specializes in throwing mechanics who was not even a member of the organization told the 49ers that Arod had a severe issue with his forward throwing motion in certain scrambling situations. THe niners got scared and decided to go the save route with Alex SMith. OTher teams then passed on ROdgers since his home state team didnt want him and he fell to 24th and now plays for the best team in football and is reigning MVP. Oh and he is the best passer in the league when on the run.

    WHo will be this years NHL version of Aaron Rodgers in the June Draft? My guess would be Grigorenko.

  35. blu_blanc_rouge says:

    Price has been an average goalie at best…

  36. Un Canadien errant says:

    La Presse reports on the Canadiens’ prospects at the Memorial Cup.

    http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/le-canadien/201205/17/01-4526361-coupe-memorial-les-premiers-choix-du-ch-a-loeuvre.php

    ———————————
    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Bripro says:

      After they had selected Tinordi, given his size, I was optimistic that the D was headed in the right direction. Then I saw him skate last year. I wouldn’t put him in the Gill-speed category, but his speed and shifting needed some serious work. He’s saying he’s improved that aspect of his game. I hope he’s right. Too bad, because he’s a big kid.
      I’d love to see him suit up.

      Beaulieu however was a different story. Even under 200 lbs, I felt that he stood out during his brief appearances with the Habs. I’m wondering if he wouldn’t be ready this year to join the big leagues.

      • Malreg says:

        Almost every scouting report I’ve read on Tinordi says that he actually skates very well for his size?

        http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jarred_tinordi
        “Tinordi skates well for his size, brings grit and toughness in the mold of a defensive defenseman, as well as leadership capability.”

        http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2011/8/23/2376205/habs-top-25-under-25-9-jarred-tinordi
        “He also skates very well for a 6’07″ player, although not nearly as well as say Buffalo’s mammoth blueliner Tyler Myers.”

        http://www.diebytheblade.com/2010/6/20/1526887/jared-tinordi-2010-nhl-draft
        “He skates well for a big man and has been blessed with some very good mobility that allows him to make some athletic plays.”

        • Bripro says:

          Then I don’t know what I was looking at last year, because he didn’t seem sure-footed to me. Either that, or he’s improved dramatically. But your links date of as far back as 2 years ago. Hmmmm. …. I’m confused.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Bri, watch the Memorial Cup, Tinordi does a very nice job of playing within himself. You have to remember he is a big body type, similar to what his father was. It is different comparing Tyler Myers skating to Tinordi, because when Tinordi is done filling out he will probably be 15-20lbs heavier.

            There is no reason for either Beaulieu or Tinordi to be rushed next year, there is too much promise with either of these guys to start counting on them next year. If they show they are ready in Camp, fine, but the long term future with either is too good to risk rushing.

          • Bripro says:

            I’m with you Gerry, and said as much to Norm below.
            As for the big guy, I seriously remember him having trouble shaking forwards and hoped his mobility would improve. I guess I wasn’t really paying attention. But you can be sure I’ll be watching.

          • commandant says:

            Agreed. Tinordi is much improved. He really turned the corner about mid-season last year, and has been improving ever since. The last 1.5 years have been great for him, after a slow start.

            This is why I say to be patient with him. Big defensive D like Tinordi take time to adjust to the faster speed and stronger players at each level. I think Tinordi will again have a slow start in Hamilton, but then will come on after a few months.

            I expect the pattern to then repeat in Montreal when he eventually makes it here.

            This kid will take time. But he’ll be well worth the wait, IMO. We need to stay patient though.

            Go Habs Go!
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          • Garbo says:

            Or…. you don’t know as much multiple professional scouts.

          • Bripro says:

            That’s a point I can’t argue. I would think it’s the same for most here, but that shouldn’t discourage us from having our own opinions of those we’ve seen.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      From what I’ve read on Jared Tinordi, and the little that I’ve seen him play, he’s living up to the hype as to what he was thought to bring (size, toughness, responsible defence, leadership) and working hard at improving the areas he was thought to be weak at (skating, mobility and agility, speed, passing, carrying the puck, shooting) with success. From the start of last season to the end of it, to this season and now the playoffs, he’s been improving consistently, measurably. So whatever his ceiling was thought to be when drafted, he’s looking like he might nudge right up to it or even maybe break through.

      I think he and Nathan could join the Canadiens and probably contribute a thing or two, but we must resist the temptation and let them develop at a their own pace in the AHL. Sink or swim as a teaching strategy is rarely the right option, it’s important to set up a progression, to allow pupils to achieve at realistic goals before moving on to the next challenge. Plus, we don’t really have the veteran mentorship on D that would allow us to ease one of those kids in gently, there’s no Larry Robinson or even a Hal Gill who can shepherd these kids and protect them, on and off the ice. Let’s be patient.

      ———————————
      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • Bripro says:

        I’m only wondering if Beaulieu is ready based on what I’ve seen of him. He played very well positionally and never seemed to make too many mistakes. And that was early in the season. Which is why I’m wondering how much he’s progressed, and if he’d be ready.
        If not, you’re absolutely right. Don’t rush them. They’ll make it in their own time, but I’m pretty optimistic.
        As for mentoring, I would think that Markov or Gorges are mature and experienced enough to help out the new kids.

        • commandant says:

          Beaulieu is much like Subban at the same age (not quite as good as Subban was, but similar).

          The kid is great offensively. But he still has defensive lapses.

          He has a tendency to make some really risky passes and bad giveaways in his own end (maybe 1 every couple games or so, that has you really scratching your head). Other than that, I think his defensive game is pretty good for the level he’s at.

          He needs about a year in the AHL though, much like Subban, to hone his craft and improve his defence before he’s NHL ready IMO.

          Go Habs Go!
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          • ont fan says:

            These kids need to grow together, learn to win together. They are going to be coming from great junior teams and are going to get a bit of a rude awakening when they get to Hamilton. With playing with men that are bigger and smarter it will be a learning curve.

  37. 24 Cups says:

    I just typed out a detailed post on why there’s only one high end UFA we should even consider pursuing. Then the site wouldn’t process it. Damn.

    Anyway the shortened version is Barret Jackman, not that there’s much chance St Louis will let him go.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/47313-Top-2012-UFAs.html

    • Cal says:

      Straight and to the point with no long explanations. Excellent!

    • habs03 says:

      I agree, Jackman or Garrison would be perfect fits, Garrison is better IMO, but will cost a lot more.

      Markov-Gorges
      Jackman-Subban
      Kaberle-Emelin
      Daiz/Weber

      Looks perfect to me with a healthy Markov

      • commandant says:

        Garrison has always been a good defender, and I’d love to have him.

        However I think he will be overpaid based on his dramatic goal increase this year, and I don’t know if he’ll be able to maintain such offensive numbers.

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        • 24 Cups says:

          Florida should have the cap space to re-sign Garrison.

          I agree about possibly overpaying a guy who could use a bit more punch on his resume.

        • habs03 says:

          Exactly, I would be ok with 4.5 for 3-4 years max. But like you said, those offensive numbers are gonna make teams overpay.

        • Bripro says:

          I would expect a team like the Islanders, who will have to raise their cap floor, to go after such a D. I would think him or Wideman.

          • Habsolutely says:

            There’s going to be a lot of teams going after Garrison, and it has nothing to do with the cap floor. The guy is a stud. Big, mean, very good defensively and an absolute rocket from the point. He’s exactly what the Habs need.

          • Bripro says:

            You won’t get an argument from me on that one. All I’m saying is the teams who have to raise their floor will have to spend some big money.
            And not just the Islanders, but others who have a legitimate need for a beast of a D (as you put it – I agree). I would see Ottawa or St Louis pushing a little harder to reinforce and try to go farther.
            For that reason, these teams might try harder by offering more than the Habs will be willing to. But picking him up would be terrific.
            It would create an entirely different structure to our D.

      • Habsolutely says:

        I would love to see Garrison on my team. Unfortunately the 30 GM’s probably feel the same way as I.

      • 24 Cups says:

        It’s great that Jackman plays the left side. I figure he should get in the 4.5 range. He’s 31 so a five year deal would take him to 36.

        Kaberle is a place holder for another year while Diaz and Weber get another kick at the can with low end cap hits.

        Weber as the on again, off again, 4th line RW has to end. He either makes the team as a Dman or gets moved. Next year’s 4th line is going to kick butt. White is already penciled in on the RW.

        • Cal says:

          Really hope Diaz and Weber, the Tiny Tot Twins, are gone. Need defenders that can clear Price’s net.

          • 24 Cups says:

            I figure at least one of them stays due to the fact that they will play for under a mil a year. Teams need to fill out the roster with cheaper players.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            No need to give away two young skilled defencemen who can still develop quite a bit. I say send Raphaël Diaz to Hamilton next season and keep Yannick Weber, since he has to go through waivers. Keep working with him and coaching him, with the right partner his skillset is nothing to sneeze at.

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          • commandant says:

            Diaz will have to go through waivers next season. He didn’t this year, but does now.

            I say figure out which one of the two guys is better (I think its Diaz) and trade the other one.

            One is useful, two is redundant

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          • Bripro says:

            I agree. Diaz shows more promise, and seems to try harder. He made some pretty nasty mistakes last year, but progressed quite well ’till mid-season. I think the long season, which he’s not accustomed to, got to him.
            Weber is too sporadic for me. Some teams will find value in a young right-handed power-shooting defenceman. I would look to trade him.

          • Cal says:

            @24 and UCE.

            Despite their offense, these 2 are too small to play defense. Their price tag is irrelevant. The Habs need 2 more Emelins to balance things out, otherwise it’s a matter of time before Price gets hurt because his teenyweenie Dboys can’t box out.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Good, I thought Mr. Diaz was not eligible for waivers yet, I must have misread/misremembered what I saw on CapGeek.

            That does change things, and bring us to a crossroads as to who we keep, I agree that both of them offer marginally the same skillset, and we already have Andrei Markov and Tomas Kaberle so one of them should be traded. I say trade away the one who brings the better draft pick or prospect back.

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    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Although I doubt the Blues want Jackman to leave- he’s been a leader and a fixture on that blueline for a decade- I wouldn’t be shocked if he left. St. Louis has a lot of young talent to give raises to this summer (Oshie, Perron) and next (Pietrangelo, Shattenkirk). Pietrangelo in particular will command some serious coin.

      Armstrong likely has a ceiling of what they can absolutely afford to pay Jackman, and it comes down to his loyalty in my opinion. I’m pretty sure some GM out there will throw out an offer that goes beyond what the Blues can pay.

  38. HFX-HabFan says:

    About Hartley, wasn’t it pointed out a couple weeks ago that the Swiss club he’s currently coaching has no intention of letting him out of his contract a year early?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I heard today that he is able to get out for 3 or 4 NHL teams, including Montreal. I’m not sure of the details though.

      Go Habs Go!!

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  39. shiram says:

    adater ‏@adater
    Hejduk signs new deal with Avs

    apparently 1 year 2 millions
    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • HFX-HabFan says:

      Not that we were in the running for him, but nice to see he’s staying put in the only organization he’s ever known. A good vet to have as captain for a younger team.

  40. ont fan says:

    Interesting, listening to Doug Mclean on drafting Brule. Columbus was going to draft Kopitar except Montreal took Price. They thinking a Canadian kid would be safer at 6th. Brule being a star in junior changed their mind.If the Habs take Brule it saves his job. Oh draft day, just a crap shoot.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Good anecdote. I guess the Jackets had a board on which they were sure Gilbert Brulé would be gone by #6, and had their sights set on Mr. Kopitar as the best available player left. It’s good that they had the flexibility to adapt when the Canadiens picked Carey, but too bad it didn’t turn out for them and Mr. Brulé.

      We’ve seen this in many other drafts, where teams make up a board which specifies who they think will be gone by the time their turn comes up, and then concentrate their efforts on scouting the players who would be left. They then fall in love with one of these guys, to the point where if one of the top guys slips down to them (Dan Marino, Aaron Rodgers, Nathan Beaulieu), they overlook him and go for the guy they’ve developed their man-crush on.

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      • ont fan says:

        McLean also said from what he hears, Edmonton would like to move down and take Griffen Rheinhart. They want an established D and a later pick. Thus clouding the draft again. He was saying at most drafts you know who’s going to be taken the first 3 or 4, after that it’s up to the scouting staff when the crap hits the fan.

    • RGM says:

      Brule never really did recover from that shoulder injury he sustained just months after being drafted. It took him years to find a spot on an NHL team. Like you say, total crap shoot.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I saw Gilbert Brulé play for the Vancouver Giants, and he seemed destined for a great career in the NHL. It’s unfortunate that injuries and questionable development practices on the Jackets and the Oilers seem to have derailed that promise.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      Timmins stated that Montreal would have taken Pouliot if he were available at the #5 spot. Crap shoot, indeed!

    • Habsrule1 says:

      That might give me a reason to watch the jays.

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  41. HabFanSince72 says:

    The only thing Nietzsche ever said that pertains to hockey is:

    “My formula for happiness: a yes, a no, a straight line to goal.”


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • GrimJim says:

      So Nietzsche was against cycling the puck?

    • HardHabits says:

      Says the guy who uses Nietzsche as his avatar. Like is said earlier, either you are a very good at irony or your left brain doesn’t have a clue what your right brain is thinking.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        It was a joke.

        Nietzsche wrote “a yes, a no, a straight line, a goal”.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • HardHabits says:

          I still fail to see how I am a fraud for copying and pasting an excellent synopsis of Nietzsche’s ideas. I am quite clear on the concept as I have read the following: The Ant-Christ; The Genealogy of Morals, Beyond Good and Evil, Ecce Homo, Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Twilight of the Idols.

          I googled Slave Morality and came upon that page and it pretty much summed up the point I wanted to make. I am neither a fraud nor a charlatan and I have a clear grasp on the philosophy of Nietzsche.

          I just think you’re jealous.

  42. Wencz says:

    Elliotte Friedman’s 30 Thoughts (my favourite weekly hockey column) was pulled a few hours after being posted on Tuesday night (I think) … haven’t been able to find it since. The main story focused on Patrick Kane’s recent shenanigans. Wondered if Friedman — who appears to have a lot of integrity — might have been pressured to pull/change his article. Maybe it’s nothing. Thoughts?

  43. HabsFan68 says:

    Noticed Alexander Perezhogin was a +12 with 7pts at WHC – do the Habs still own his NHL rights?

    • commandant says:

      No, he’s reached UFA age.

      We held them as an RFA for a few seasons, but once he hits UFA age he’s free to sign wherever.

      Note this is because he came to North America and signed with us and then left as an RFA.

      A guy like Konstanin Korneev who has never come to North America, and is drafted out of Russia, we hold his rights indefinetely due to no transfer agreement between the countries.

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  44. HabFanSince72 says:

    HardHabits -

    Everything you wrote about Nietzsche was copied and pasted from:

    http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/beyondgood/characters.html

    You’re a fraud sir.

    An utter fraud.

    Stick to rabbiting on about tanking and grit.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  45. RobertAlanFord says:

    In case anyone is interested, the Memorial Cup starts tonight with our boys Morgan Ellis and Michael Bournival playing for the Shawinigan Cataractes versus the Edmonton Oil Kings.

    Ellis has become a completely different player since being moved to Shawinigan from Cape Breton half way through the season. Check this out, during the regular season for Cape Breton he played 34 games, had 7 goals and 18 points for 25 points and was -3. Then its over to Shawinigan where he plays 26 games, gets 8 goals and 19 assists for 27 points and ……wait for it……… plus 21!!!!! His post season numbers in the QMJHL were impressive as well; 11gp, 4g, 7a, 11pts, +14.

    Bournival’s numbers were quite decent during the regular season but dropped off a bit in the post.

    Game time is 19h00. TVA Sports I believe, unless you can find a stream like I do. (edit: think this might be it. http://coupememorialmastercard.ca/page/coverage)

    Also (this is the one I’m waiting for, never mind NHL playoffs , Nathan Beaulieu’s St. John Sea Dogs vs. Jarred Tinordi’s London Knights tomorrow night.

  46. jon514 says:

    Fearless prediction: The Hamilton Bulldogs will win the Calder Cup in one of the next 2 years.

    • commandant says:

      Will be tough. Tradtionally teams as young as the bulldogs will be don’t do well in the AHL.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if next year is a really tough year for the dogs with all the rookies brought in.

      But the tough learning will be for the best for the Habs organization long term, so I’m okay with that.

      At least I’ll have a reason to go to Copps Coliseum, a couple teams i went this year and just felt like I was watching a team with 0 players with an NHL future (especially one game when Leblanc, Palushaj, St. Denis, and Geoffrion were all with Montreal post-trade deadline, and Schultz was hurt).

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    • RobertAlanFord says:

      Hamilton (Laval?) has a lot of talent heading its way next season. Tinordi, Beaulieu, Bournival, Ellis and if we pick up a Eurostar in the first round they can jump straight to the AHL as well. I foresee good things for Hamilton next year. They need a goalie though.

  47. j0nHABS says:

    I read that there is a planned media update oh the habs coach this afternoon with Bergevin, and that Bob Hartley will be named. Is this true? Does anyone know?

  48. TomNickle says:

    Think we’re looking at rejects for our head coaching job? How about the Oilers looking at Brent Sutter?

    I’ve been ruffling quite a few feathers lately with opinion regarding the Habs changing direction with their player personnel. Ya know, trading veteran players if the price is right. Guys like Plekanec, Markov, Gionta and further down the line, Gorges. Once and for all I would like to clarify that I have no ill will toward these players. Brian Gionta could captain my team any day and be a first line winger. Andrei Markov was at one time the kind of defenseman that you build a team around. Tomas Plekanec is the kind of player that can put a team over the hump and help them win a Stanley Cup and Josh Gorges is tremendous defensively, a great shot blocker and leader. Something each of these guys have in common is that they’re tremendously valuable for teams pushing for the Cup. Their only value to the Montreal Canadiens at this point is their leadership. That’s it. The excellent two way play from Plekanec, the elite skills Markov brings, the qualities I mentioned of Josh Gorges and Brian Gionta. Rebuilding teams don’t need them. To quote a much maligned former NFL runningback. “For who? For What?”

    This isn’t a ship’em out for the sake of getting rid of them opinion. This is use those excellent players to make this team great again.

    Markov could get you a first round pick and a prospect. Say a first round pick and Tomas Jurco from Detroit.

    Plekanec could maybe get you a 1st round pick and Dylan Olsen from Chicago.

    Gionta could get you a first round pick and Jaden Schwartz from St. Louis.

    Gorges could get you a first and Nicklas Jensen from Vancouver.

    And before you judge, take a look at trades for comparable players over the past few years.

    To sum up. If you could turn Markov, Plekanec, Gorges and Gionta at this point in their careers into 4 first round picks over the next three years to pair along with the three you have already and in addition add prospects like Jensen, Schwartz, Olsen and Jurco, would you do it?

    I’m sure many of you will say no, and that’s okay. We just have different opinions about where this organization is and what it needs to get back to the top.

    • shiram says:

      Are some people still unclear on your position, I think it got more expostion in this last few weeks than HH’s size an grist schtick!

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

      • TomNickle says:

        I think so but I’m not sure. Either way, I thought that outside of the battle royale discussions that have happened recently that it would be a good time to put it to bed.

    • commandant says:

      I think the difference is many don’t see us as a team in need of a total rebuild. More a retool, and to build around a core of guys like Price, Patches, Subban, Eller, Emelin, and the 3rd overall pick we’ll be getting.

      As bad as the season was, this team was only a -4 in goal differential (removing the shootout). Thats a better number than some teams who made the playoffs, including the Panthers.

      I think with the addition of a top 4 D with size, who can play 20 minutes, and a 2nd line winger, we are easily back into the playoffs next year.

      And then you continue to let the core grow into making you a contender. You slowly add the Beaulieu, Tinordi, Gallagher, Leblanc, Kristo, etc…. to that existing core.

      The key is hitting on this draft pick though. Really needs to become first line talent for us.

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      • TomNickle says:

        I don’t disagree about retooling around that core if the circumstances allow it.

        If you’re Bergevin you have to go into free agency praying that a UFA defenseman like Stuart, Jackman, Allen or maybe a Corvo will sign with you. And in my opinion, you need two of them and not one. I think we could easily agree that the team NEEDS one and that two would be ideal.

        Then you have to hope that you can get a first line winger via free agency. This team needs an elite talent. If you can’t get one via free agency, are you willing to trade young promise for it?

        In my mind, the key to retooling is signing two UFA defensemen cut from the same cloth as a Brad Stuart or Barrett Jackman AND signing a Parise or Semin.

        And hope that your new head coach can make it work within two years considering Markov and Gionta have only that amount of time left on their contracts.

        Not likely to happen. So tear the sucker down and add cheap UFA replacements who could overachieve(Wolski, Kelly) and are also willing to take short term deals.

        • commandant says:

          I think you only need 1 Dman…..

          Allen or Jackman or similar guy – Subban
          Markov – Gorges
          Kaberle – Emelin

          Press box: Diaz and St. Denis
          plus the young kids in the minors…

          Seems a deep and balanced defence to me.

          On the winger front… I don’t think you are getting a Semin or a Parise (though that would be ideal). I think your looking into the second tier with guys like Parenteau, Doan (only if Phx moves), Hudler, David Jones, or a stop gap like a Jagr, or Whitney.

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          • TomNickle says:

            I believe that Subban as a physical presence in front of the net is overrated thus far though that could change very quickly.

            If the goal is to go deep into the playoffs immediately Jagr can’t be the addition. He was far too exhausted to contribute effectively for the Flyers in the playoffs. Parenteau is a an Allan Walsh client and because of that I would pass. You can call that short sighted or worse but until Allan Walsh cools it with the coach and gm bashing I wouldn’t touch any of his clients with a fifty foot pole.

            Doan I would take in a heartbeat but it’s the biggest long shot of the group and I would love David Jones but he isn’t a top six player in my opinion. If you’re willing to take your chances with Bourque on the first line it could work in an ideal situation.

            The biggest issue that I have with the retooling is rolling the dice on free agency. If you don’t get what you need, your left in limbo.

    • RGM says:

      Gorges has a full NMC in the first year of his new contract. I really wish people would stop with this nonsense.

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      • TomNickle says:

        RGM, I respect you. I enjoy your opinion and have even taken the time to read your blog. If you had bothered to take the time to take in all that I had to say you would’ve seen….

        1. That I’m not in favour of moving them unless the deal is right
        2. Gorges would be a focus further down the line or if you prefer, when his nmc is no longer in effect.

        • RGM says:

          Here’s the thing – in 2-3 years Gorges will almost certainly be the captain of this team. Once Gionta is gone, I think it’s inevitable given that by that time he will be the longest-tenured Habs player on the roster. Do we want to go back to the good old days of the late ’90s when swapping captains was the fun thing to do for Habs management? I don’t think so. The full NMC is off after the first year but he retains a limited NTC for the remainder of the contract. Would he want to go to Vancouver somewhere down the line? It’s possible, but no more likely than Carey Price going there simply because it’s their home province. I think that the mentality behind the 6-year deal was that he was being set up as the captain of the future and that the organization has little to no intention of trading him. Obviously, if the right deal comes along, they may look into it, but some players are a perfect fit in their existing system and may not want to give that up.

          On a couple of the other guys, I think that Habs management is going to take a long, hard look at the status of Plekanec and Markov this coming summer. If we assume that Desharnais is now the #1 C on the team being on the line with Cole and Pacioretty, and that the Habs will aim for a big centre at the draft who may be NHL ready soon, that pushes Plekanec down to the 3 hole. I expect Gomez to be gone, and I think that they’ll push Eller to one of the wings. That potentially makes Pleks available.
          I remain a little embittered that Markov got a 3-year deal last year instead of having to earn it on a one-year “show me” contract. If he is back 100% thanks to all the prospects in the system I perhaps look at trading him either this year or next. Detroit may be looking for a Lidstrom replacement very soon. I like the suggestion of Jurco and a 1st.
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      • shiram says:

        Does a NMC differ from a NTC?

        To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I agree Tom. Sometimes when we punt around the idea of trading a certain player solely for the reason of using an asset to get other assets in return, ones that fit better with the team and the plan, some posters take it as a personal attack on one of their favourite player.

      For example, if this season some team approached us and offered multiple picks and prospects for Erik Cole (never mind his no-trade-clause) and we’re again languishing un-truculently at the bottom of the standings, we’d have to consider it seriously, and even though I love the guy and on many nights he was the only reason to watch, I’d understand. It’d be the right thing to do, if some team overpaid us for the one piece they thought would put them over the top in their Stanley Cup run.

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  49. 24 Cups says:

    Memorial Cup stat tracker for Hab prospects.

    http://habsworld.net/article.php?id=2805

  50. shiram says:

    Dellusional expectations : complaining/posting on a website not affiliated with the Habs will have an effect on the Habs.

    To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  51. 24 Cups says:

    Computer question. How do you get to use emoticons when posting on HI/O? Same goes for bold or italics. I use Internet Explorer.

    • shiram says:

      It’s posted at the bottom of eachpage, well for the bold stuff anyways.

      I think emoticons are automatic like if you put ; + ) together you get ;)

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

  52. frontenac1 says:

    Canada lost tournament? What tournament?

  53. frontenac1 says:

    Interesting read on Morgan Ellis. I haven’t seen him play yet,but will be watching game tonight for sure

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Saw him play one game during the playoffs on TV, he looked large and in charge, a man among boys. He did everything well: skate, carry the puck, pass, defend in his zone, play the powerplay, scored on slapper from the blue line, he was tough.

      I know that it’s to be expected for a 19 year old to be more dominant when playing younger guys, but it stood out to a surprising degree for him. More so than David Musil, as I explained in an earlier post.

      So I’m really optimistic about Morgan Ellis, all the coaches talk about his maturity and leadership, it’s great that a fourth-rounder is developing so well, and seems to be exceeding the expectations we had of him.

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  54. HardHabits says:

    Habs fans used to think and act like Masters. Now many of them (present company excluded) moralize like slaves. If you don’t know what I am talking about it’s time to read On the Genealogy of Morality.

    It is also my opinion that Quebec students should study more Nietzsche and less Marx. Here are a few reasons why:

    Slave morality – The morality of the slave caste, who are poor, sick, and unhappy, and are oppressed and made to suffer by their masters. They see life as something bad and wrong, and identify the masters as “evil” for enjoying life in all their health and riches. Consequently, they come to see themselves and all their sickly characteristics as “good.”

    Master morality – The morality of the aristocratic, or noble, caste, who are rich, healthy, and cheerful. They celebrate themselves as “good,” seeing in themselves everything that is noble. By contrast, they establish a distance between themselves and the poor, sick, unhappy slaves, seeing the slaves’ lot as contemptible and “bad.”

    Herd – The name Nietzsche often gives to the common, mediocre masses. He sees them as herd animals, lacking any individual will and living by group instincts. Nietzsche often speaks of “herd morality” as the democratic will to render everyone equal in mediocrity.

    Free spirit – Someone who has the flexibility of mind not to be caught up in any one point of view or dogma. A free spirit looks at the world from many different perspectives, uncovering the prejudices and assumptions that underlie any particular point of view.

    source – http://www.sparknotes.com/philosophy/beyondgood/summary.html

    • TomNickle says:

      Ha.

      I would elaborate but I haven’t had enough green tea to justify furthering my involvement in this soon to be long discussion.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Okay that was edifying…..

    • shiram says:

      Meh, I’m HIO Bourgeoisie, someone fetch me my poutine.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • Cal says:

      “Habs fans used to think and act like Masters.”
      Source?
      Or are you extrapolating that because the Habs won Cups so often, it rubbed off on the general fanbase?

      • TomNickle says:

        He’s referring to popular opinion Cal. The mere mention of change in the face of change has had the majority of posters here up in arms lately.

        It’s also quite telling that after yesterday’s lockout discussions it seemed like popular opinion was to throw the owners under the bus and play the poor pitiful fan role. Whoa is me.

        • Cal says:

          How so, this popular opinion explanation? He stated fans of the Habs behaved like Masters. Masters of what? Watching a game? ;)

          • TomNickle says:

            He said Habs fans used to be of the Master mentality and that times have changed to a certain degree.

            Take another read. Pretty damn insightful view in my opinion.

    • Bripro says:

      I have a ten minute window before heading out to meet the sun and frolic in the day’s glow. So I logged on for a little light-hearted banter, where discussions of my nobility aren’t questioned.
      I refuse to discuss my privileged nobility, but it’s obvious that I’ve been found out. ;)
      I’m so embarrassed.
      Forgive my aristocratic hypocrisy.
      It was intended solely to protect the innocent.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      OK – I guess I HAVE to reply to this.

      Nietzsche realized that his philosophy was prone to misinterpretation, and that it could be dangerous in the hands of the unintelligent. This notion was the basis of the great Hitchcock movie ‘Rope’.

      This will sound harsh, but you are exactly the kind of person Nietzsche was worried about.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • habs_moleman says:

      this is about 3 weeks too late…I had an exam on all this sort of stuff and this would have been a helpful guide to study from!! Dammit!

    • boing007 says:

      Are you trying to tell us that Jean Charest is an aristocrat? Pauline Marois? Hope not. The overman (or woman) has nothing to do with types like them.

      Richard R
      Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  55. TomNickle says:

    On the Russian players.

    Ovechkin was soft because in the WJHC gold medal game Richards and the Canadian defensemen physically abused him and knocked him out of the game.

    Malkin was never coming to the NHL, until he did.

    Same with Emelin.

    Grigorenko is no more of a risk than Alex Galchenyuk, Matt Dumba or Filip Forsberg.

    • commandant says:

      I agree in theory.

      Grigorenko to me is not a risk because of his heritage.

      However the thing I don’t like about Grigorenko is the fact that he plays the game on the perimeter. He isn’t really physical or gritty and he doesn’t get to the front of the net. That translates fine in the regular season, but in the playoffs I question how successful it can be.

      I like Yakupov though, because he is willing to get to the net to score goals, to drive hard on defensemen and to play a grittier style of game.

      However I’m not saying Grigorenko is bad, just that he’d be my third choice behind Yakupov and Galchenyuk.

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      • TomNickle says:

        Kinda like Evgeni Malkin?

        Too early I know and really not fair. I just find it funny that a kid with mono and a fairly significant injury became lazier in the playoffs than he was in the regular season.

        • Bripro says:

          Yeah, that’s a head-scratcher.

        • commandant says:

          I compare it more to Sean Couturier who fell way lower than he should have last year, and also had mono.

          I can see why RNH, Landeskog, Huberdeau, and Larsson went above him. But there is no way he should have been passed over for Strome, Zibanejad and Schiefele IMO.

          In many ways Couturier’s season last year and Grigorenko’s this year mirror each other.

          - highly hyped to start
          - got over exposed and people nitpicked their games
          - poor playoffs due to mono.
          - fell in the rankings.

          Thats why I’ve still got Grigo in my top 3 even if I like the Sarnia guys better.

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          • TomNickle says:

            Great point Ben. I completely agree and outside of their homelands and the potential consequences that come with that, it’s a terrific comparison.

          • Bripro says:

            You can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Couturier fell out of top contention at the draft because of un-reasonable expectations. After playing lights out in the QMJHL, he seemed to slow up his progress, and wasn’t as encouraging as Huberdeau and company.
            But to be able to jump to the NHL this fast was pretty impressive.

          • commandant says:

            Unreasonable expectations was part of it.

            I used a bit of a different word to describe the same effect.
            “got over exposed and people nitpicked their games”

            Which I also think happened to Grigorenko.

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      • boing007 says:

        Yak & Yuk.

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  56. Morenz7 says:

    As the draft gets closer, I’m compelled to wonder why the Oilers wouldn’t trade their first overall pick. After Rennie’s firing yesterday, practically everyone with a TV soap box made note of their desperate need for defencemen. If they bumped down a few spots, they might get a high-grade blueliner out of the trade, and in all likelihood would get a shot at Murray or Dumba. If not, then one of Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Forsberg would still be around.

    I don’t think Bergevin should get involved with them, because the price would be either Subban or Beaulieu, and Montreal’s blueline is not exactly a brick wall. But what about Burkie? Luke Schenn, plus something else might be worth getting the star centre the Leafs desperately need. The guy’s game has looked broken at times, but he was top-two a year ago, and a change of scenery is probably all he needs.

    • TomNickle says:

      They should be trying to trade the pick if they’re looking for the best available defenseman.

      But if they hold onto that pick and just use it on Ryan Murray(I suspect this will happen) I don’t believe they’ll be complaining.

    • Cal says:

      Why should we help Burkie? Watching him languish truculently has been a pleasure. I wish him the same luck going forward with his laffs.

      • TomNickle says:

        The biggest obstacle standing in the way of Brian Burke being successful with the Leafs is Brian Burke being with the Leafs.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Languish truculently. Nice.

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    • commandant says:

      The Oilers have a pool of defencemen coming. They have guys like Klefbom, Musil, Teubert, etc… who would be comparable to what Montreal has in the minors in Beaulieu, Ellis, and Tinordi. They also have Petry who broke out in the 2nd half of the season.

      So there are defencemen on the way in Edmonton.

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      • TomNickle says:

        There are defensemen but not certainties by any stretch. Teubert with his skill set was always going to be a long term project for the Kings so he could very well become an impact defenseman at the next level.

        David Musil however has been terribly disappointing considering where he was in the fall of his draft year.

        Klefbom appears to be a really good one if international competition means anything.

        I wouldn’t compare them to Tinordi and Beaulieu though. Teubert is a very poor man’s version of Tinordi with a less balanced skill set. Beaulieu in my opinion presents more upside than Klefbom from what I’ve seen, heard and read but by no means certain.

        They’re burning important years of restricted free agency for these young forwards(Gagner and Paarjvi are great examples). The clock is always ticking and they’re relying very heavily on these young projects on defense to work out.

        • commandant says:

          I don’t think their pool is as good as Montreal’s, just saying its similar is all. And you never know with defencemen this young (Klefbom and Musil). At 19 no one thought Keith and Weber would be Norris contenders. D develop later.

          Sure there is no sure thing, but they are stacking the pool with plenty of guys which is what you need to do on defence.

          The late season addition of Schultz, a healthy Whitney, and the emerging Petry, gives them three NHL ready pieces they did not have for most of last season. Combined with Smid… their D should be a lot better next year than it was this year.

          As for Gagner, I think the Oilers would trade him if the price is right, I don’t see them liking having RNH – Gagner as their top 2 centres… and Paarjvi is looking more and more like a disappointment.

          I think they should take the best player available, and then try to move those two guys… plus use the 31st pick overall in a deep defenceman draft, to address the D issues.

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          • TomNickle says:

            On Paarjvi, defensively challenged players have always had problems with Tom Renney. I would welcome Paarjvi with open arms.

            I agree with everything else. I wouldn’t say they’re stockpiling with all three of the players you mentioned having been added last season and off-season but they finally identified the weakness and are addressing it at the very least. This draft will tell the tale.

          • commandant says:

            You’ll see Martin Gernat in the Memorial Cup for the Oil Kings, he’s looking like a possible late round steal for the Oilers. Really talented PP guy.

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          • TomNickle says:

            I’ve heard a lot about him but never seen him play. I’ll be watching to see if his production has been a result of weaker penalty killers or the very good teammates he has on defense.

            But I agree an interesting prospect.

            I do have to admit that my opinion about the Oilers is heavily influenced by the thought that Steve Tambellini and Kevin Lowe before him haven’t had anything close to a clue.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’ve only seen David Musil play once, when I went to watch Brendan Gallagher and the Giants play Patrick Holland’s Tri-City Americans.

          http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2012/03/vancouver-giants-1-tri-city-americans-2.html

          I wasn’t impressed. Stay at home, not too handy with the puck, and a propensity to goon it up after the whistle, every whistle. Big guy though, so right at home in Gary Bettman’s NHL.

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  57. NoTinFoilCups says:

    So the Kings squeak into 8th and now are on the verge of the cup final. They went out and addressed the weakness in the team. It just riles me that the Habs always seem to stand pat at the trade deadline. Hopefully that will change under new management.

    • shiram says:

      Stand pat? this year they were not making the show, they off-loaded the vets for picks.
      Last year they went and got the Wiz before the trade deadline, that way they got him for a great value.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

      • NoTinFoilCups says:

        I’m talking about making a push to tangibly improve the chances in the playoffs. The Wiz acquisition was to fill a hole. Draft choices, well that may pay off in a few years or not. Can’t argue against a well stocked farm, however.

        • shiram says:

          there was no time in recent history where the Habs looked like solid contenders, why waste picks/players when the outlook does not look promising.
          Or see Burly’s post below.

          To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

          • NoTinFoilCups says:

            No one would have said the Kings looked like solid contenders a few weeks ago.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Funny can’t help but think of Pat Gillick when the phrase Stand Pat is used. As the Jays got closer and closer each year, he was being ridiculed in the Toronto papers for being “Stand Pat” and not helping the team. However, he proved and explained later on that the team was not close enough to start giving away assets in order to get temporary help. Then in 91 and 92 he made all the right moves as needed, Dave Stewart, Dave Winfield, Rickey Henderson, Paul Molitor, David Cone, Jack Morris and came away with Back to Back World Championships.

      Despite my lack of admiration for PG, at least this year the moves he made were for the long term betterment of the team as opposed to short term gap fills as the team had done in previous years. Wiz, Moore.

      • habsfan0 says:

        What team had the largest payroll in MLB in 92 & 93?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          jays

        • commandant says:

          This is true, however they were only slightly above the competition… they weren’t blowing people away like the Yankees have done since then.

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        • TomNickle says:

          Very likely the BlueJays. That’s not the point. And the comparison is way off. First of all, in MLB there wasn’t a salary cap, so teams were free to spend as much as they wished. The players the BlueJays acquired during that period brought something unique to the team. It wouldn’t be the equivalent of Bergevin going out and acquiring five Marian Hossa’s. It would be like acquiring Gill, Kaberle, Moore, Bourque and Moen and all of them fitting into the team and bringing significant contributions.

          The salary comparisons are also out of whack because MLB players have always had substantially higher pay.

      • boing007 says:

        You forgot Joe Carter.

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  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Philly did not lose because of Bryzgalov.

    Yes he gave up a few bad goals, but he also made some great saves. The Flyers were comprehensively outplayed by NJ in all facets of the game.


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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Bryzgalov was not above average and they missed Chris Pronger. New Jersey is also an excellent team, and I am hopeful they give the Kings everything they can in the final.

    • shiram says:

      I think it’s fair to say he did not deliver the expected results based on his contract. But I would not pin their collapse solely on his shoulders.

      To Pleks or not to Pleks, that is the question.

    • Cal says:

      Shhh! Don’t tell me that brilliant Holmgren upset the balance of his team so they could get angry, but not play with any discipline. Say it ain’t so, HF.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      True, but we can’t discount the deflating effect a bad goalie has on a team. Speaking from personal experience, when you have a good to great goalie behind you, you start to believe you can win, you start to give a damn, you can play a little bit different and take a couple risks here and there being confident that any mistake will not end up in your net.

      If Mr. Bryzgalov had been solid or even stolen a game, the Flyers might have had time to adjust and try something different, instead of walking into the machine gun nest resolutely.

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  59. commandant says:

    Happy Friday all

    Today we look at Cristoval “Boo” Nieves

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/05/18/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-42-cristoval-boo-nieves/

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  60. jon514 says:

    I don’t understand what scouts are talking about when they say Grigorenko is a lazy player. I see his stats on the year in the Q, in international competitions, etc… they are terrific. Always has a good +/-. If you look at Yakupov’s game by game stats after his injury, he had streaks of games without recording a point and where he was a solid minus.

    People also often talk about how it takes big body guys a few more years to develop. If he’s this good now, where will he be at age 23?

    http://ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/gameByGame/id/6539/ls_season/44

    http://lhjmq.leaguestat.com/en/stats/gamebygame.php?id=11352

    Can someone explain this to me?

    • commandant says:

      You can’t judge a player by stats, you have to watch the games.

      If you could judge by Stats, Corey Locke would have been an NHL superstar, and a 1st overall pick.

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    • Mike Boone says:

      At 23 he will be in the KHL

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    • RGM says:

      If you’ve seen him play, you’ll know why people call him lazy. He was quite dreadful during the Remparts’ collapse in the 2nd round of the Q playoffs. He disappeared for the final four games of the series and that’s part and parcel of how the team blew a 3-0 series lead against Halifax.

      Stats don’t always tell the whole story. If they did, you could make an argument that P.K. Subban is only slightly better than Tomas Kaberle.

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      • ed lopaz says:

        I think it was reported that Grigorenko played with mono in the Halifax series

        edit: here is the article to which I was referring: dated May 1,

        http://www.rds.ca/lhjmq/chroniques/339497.html

        Souffrant d’une mononucléose, l’attaquant des Remparts de Québec Mikhail Grigorenko est contraint au repos forcé pour les quatre à six prochaines semaines.

        Dès la fin de la saison, Grigorenko a fait part à l’équipe médicale qu’il se sentait fatigué. Il a donc immédiatement été soumis à plusieurs tests médicaux qui ont conclu à ce résultat.

        Au cours des prochaines semaines, Grigorenko sera suivi de très près par le personnel médical de l’équipe, afin de s’assurer que le processus de rétablissement se déroule normalement.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          No wonder.

          Mono is a slacker who will be lucky to be in the KHL at 23.


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  61. JoeC says:

    NHL owned team cannot win the cup or people would be screaming foul. The refing was suspect, but people are thinking the wrong reason why. LA is a good team and will destroy NJ or NY, neither of there aging goalies can out duel Quick, who has surpassed Miller as the USA starting goalie for the Olympics IMHO

  62. Lafleurguy says:

    Fantastic article above by Pat Hickey. Great references to Morgan E.’s stats, Eric Vielleux, BOB HARTLEY (guess he`s not totally toxic to the psyche of young players), and even Jason Pominville. Loved Morgan`s respectful words on his limited bilingualism.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  63. 24 Cups says:

    Everybody is falling in love with the Kings but you have to wonder if all the stars have become perfectly aligned at the most precise time of the year.

    Vancouver and Chicago never really got going this year. Detroit, St Louis, Boston and Pittsburgh may have all peaked too early in terms of the yearly grind to the post season. Philly and Nashville both imploded at the worst possible time. Heck, LA hasn’t even been pushed to the limit in any of the three series they have played. Points go to Sutter and Quick but you have to wonder if LA is getting a soft ride to the Cup. The perfect storm, indeed.

    Lombadi’s fake trade rumour has done wonders for Dustin Brown. Are there any Habs who might benefit from the same indirect motivational tactic (aside from Tom Nickle and Pleks)?

    Lots of people are starting to criticize the Holmgren trades. If LA wins the Cup then Lombardi’s bold moves will have been worth it. Kudos to a guy who’s job was on the line just three short months ago.

    Having said that, is there still some long term merit for Philly in terms of Richards and Carter for Schenn, Simmonds, Voracek, Couturier and a 2nd rounder this summer? If Schenn blossoms, I still think these are good trades by Holmgren.

    Couturier/Giroux/Schenn will soon be second to none (down the middle) next to the boys in Pittsburgh. Compare that to what the Habs have down the middle.

    What about the World Championships and the Olympics? The Americans are closing in fast on Canada. We still have three of the best five forwards in the world but Canada better hope that Carey Price is the real deal. Canada’s chances for 2014 are looking bleaker than a Russian winter.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Philly would still be in it if they had any one of the four remaining starting goalies. Still dislike the Flyers, but like smallish Claude Giroux.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • JF says:

      Steve – I still think Holmgren’s moves were brilliant except for the Bryzgalov contract, which looks even worse now than it did at the time. The loss of Pronger hurt the Flyers, but up front, the trades make them stronger than they were with Richards and Carter. Holmgren will address their defence this summer, probably try to get Ryan Suter, but they’ll still need goaltending.

      As for the World Championships, that Canadian team was stacked on offence, but better choices could have been made on defence.

    • HardHabits says:

      The Holmgren trades were brilliant and still are. The Flyers lost because Bryzgalov sucked. And therein lies the crux of the matter. That signing was a head scratcher to anybody and everybody who has any hockey sense or doesn’t bury their noses in deep stats.

      • punkster says:

        I’m puzzled by your comment referencing deep stats. Did someone actually invent stats that made Brygy look good? I hardly think so as even his nhl.com published stats don’t suggest he’s all that great at 2.48 GAA and .909 S%.

        So why even mention deep stats?

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          I am guessing he read someone write something on another website that may read this website whom he was perhaps needling, not that I would expect such… ;-)

        • punkster says:

          Which is why I ask, because I have yet to read anyone on any other web site use advanced stats to excuse the disastrous signing of this stiff of a goalie. I have seen an article which uses new advanced stats to evaluate starting goal tenders and Brygy comes out pretty far down the list. I expect we’ll see more such articles in the future as the advanced stats validity is debated and modified accordingly.

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          • boing007 says:

            Brygy Stardust.

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      • Cal says:

        Holmgren is so brilliant that LA has a great shot at the Cup. I’m loving it.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning Steve, I still think Holmgren made good trades for the long term of Philly and for the present locker room. Unfortunately he made a terrible choice in Bryzgalov, and a worse move in the contract handed to him. He also lost his best playoff player in Pronger, whom is the leader of that team. Having said all that, I shed no tears for that orange uniformed team.

      L.A. certainly have gotten hot at the right time, and hasn’t this team underperformed the past 2-3 seasons? I think Lombardi made a wise choice in grabbing Sutter. Chicago’s depth is nothing like it was when they won, Vancouver is a condundrum, and Detroit are no longer world beaters but still a very good team.

      While I still think our Habs need significant upgrades, I think this playoffs shows once again, a unified team working together with excellent goaltending and 2 scoring lines can do serious damage in the playoffs.

      The Kings have not faced adversity yet this playoffs, whomever they may play in final just needs to win Game 1 and all of a sudden we may see a different King team. BUt full marks to L.A. so far, they have looked great. (The reffing last night didn’t hurt the Kings one iota either)

      • HardHabits says:

        The Kings have it all. Size. Grit. Skill. Speed. Goaltending. Did I mention size and grit.

        I really don’t know WTF Gainey was thinking by making the Habs smaller up front with Gauthier exacerbating things further by making the Habs softer on the back end.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Don’t forget HH there was also a coach named JM who seemed to despise his players making physical contact and preferred the Tom Pyatt’s of the world over Michael Blundens.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          “Did I mention size and grit.”

          About a million times since October.

          That and tanking.

          You must think you’re on to something.


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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            HH and I agreed yesterday that we won’t use the word tanking anymore. We now say ‘long-term view planning and asset management maximization and leveraging our dismal position in the standing for the greater good in the not-too-distant future’.

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    • Cal says:

      I am really glad this has blown up in Holmgren’s face after all the comments here about what a genius he is.
      From the time Chicago won the Cup, many here spoke of how Niemi wasn’t all that necessary to the Cup win.
      Really happy to see Bryzgalov play like a dog when it mattered most.
      Frankly, the Olympics shouldn’t be attended by NHLers. It disrupts the schedule to hell, compressing it into 2 halves with a 2 1/2 week break. It being held in Socchi gives the NHL a good excuse to not go.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        The 2010 Olympics’ hockey tournament had the highest ratings in Canadian TV history. Higher than any Stanley Cup series ever.

        It’s the best hockey being played. No grinders. No goons.

        Nonetheless it would be funny to see Bettman get on Putin’s bad side. That usually ends very badly.


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  64. Lafleurguy says:

    Nick Kypreos called Nathan Beaulieu the best defenceman in the Memorial Cup tournament.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Great to hear. Do you think the Habs take Murray with their pick if he’s available?

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      • Lafleurguy says:

        Ryan Murray got bumped up to #2 on some lists but I don’t know much about the youngster. From a strategic planning point of view, loading up on quality forwards would appear to be a higher priority for the Habs, in contrast with the Oilers who have more urgent needs on defence. Zen approach: it takes ONE good move to solve a goaltending problem, a FEW to square up the defence, but MORE good moves are needed to create a winning group of twelve forwards (plus depth on the farm).

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Gotcha. BTW thanks for ignoring my typo. I’ve edited it so others won’t see how dumb I am. Please don’t tell anyone. :)

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      • jon514 says:

        With 3 great defense prospects coming through the pipeline, and 2 smallish wingers (Gallagher and Holland) I think we need to draft a BIG body forward. If we pick Murray, it probably means lining up a deal to trade either Ellis or Tinordi for another team’s prospect forward. I really hope we don’t, cause we know what we have in these two and they are a lot closer to playing in the NHL.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Not that it matters, but I wonder if Beaulieu has become our top prospect instead of Leblanc. That fact alone means we should lean towards taking a forward over Murray.

      • RGM says:

        If that’s the case, is it a reflection of how Bealieu has elevated his game, or how the coaching staff in Montreal last year limited Leblanc’s?

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        • 24 Cups says:

          Good point. I was looking at the improvement in Beaulieu (as well as his status as a prospect) rather than any (perceived) decline in Leblanc’s play.

          Leblanc’s development path bothers me. A year at Harvard in a weak college conference. Then just one single year in junior. The topper being his first year as a pro where he was utilized as a call-up due to a total lack of depth in the forward ranks.

          MaxPac suffered the same fate and still came through it all. I hope the same happens with Leblanc.

          I just pray that Gallagher, Beaulieu and Tinordi spend the entire year in Hamilton next season.

    • Kage says:

      Whose the second best… Jarred Tinordi maybe?

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That’d be great, except we have to consider the source.

      The sum total of Nick Kypreos’ achievements in the NHL was to deliberately take Grant Fuhr out of a playoffs by falling on him and blowing his ACL. This effectively ended Mr. Fuhr’s career. So whatever that goon on that third-rate network has to say, I don’t care. I’ll get my info and opinion from those who aren’t ignorant thugs.

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      In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • boing007 says:

        How talented a player was our new GM? Kypreos was right on, Beaulieu looks very good.

        Richard R
        Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

  65. HabinBurlington says:

    Well it looks like our owner Geoff Molson may have his legal eagles busy in the coming weeks.

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/bruce-dowbiggin/tv-beer-battles-come-to-a-head/article2436455/

    Appears Labatts has gotten creative in trying to get in on the Playoff advertising action without paying for the license fees.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      There’s no end to how creative minds keep coming up with new schemes! Since Bell and Rogers are owners and operators of MLSE, and the Maple Leafs, is it awkward the Habs reside in the Bell Centre?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    So the next game in the playoffs is Rangers/Devils at 1pm on Long Weekend Saturday afternoon. Not sure I will be heading anywhere inside to watch hockey at that time. Really to bad how the tradition of Saturday night hockey seems to have gone the way of the Dodo bird come playoff time.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Mornin’! Yes, but we have a fantastic weather forecast for this Victoria Day Weekend. Jim probably knows this: it was Queen V. who acceded to the Confederation of Canada gaining its sovereignty. Gonna be some fireworks!

      Addendum: I think the Kings and the Devils are the two more entertaining teams to watch of the four remaining. Canadiens need to discover their Dwight King or Chris Kreider.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Good morning Guy. Hope you guys have a great weekend. I’m heading north myself for a bit of fishing not to far from the border. Will dedicate a fish or two to the wonderful people from our neighbors to the North.

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        • Lafleurguy says:

          Hi! I’m just starting to learn the finer points of fishing from my son-in-law and I think it will be a lifelong habit, like cheering for the Habs! Hope the flies you encounter are strictly the fishbait variety!

          “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Most leagues are being ruled by US network TV. I have tickets to a Met game which was suppose to be a Sunday afternoon game. ESPN changed the starting time to 800 at night. So what was going to be a fun family afternoon at the ball park becomes a late night surrounded by beer drinking fans. My point is we fans really dont matter much anymore. The NHL feels its more important to chase the dollars of NBC than maintain the tradition of Satrday night hockey. I don’t watch much if non sports TV so I’m not exactly sure, but I’m thinking NBC Saturday night prime time lineup isnt exactly stellar.
      Good morning by the way. :)

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      • HabinBurlington says:

        Morning Jim, hey your Mets are up in TOronto this weekend, Joey Bats (Jose Bautista) appears to finally be breaking out of his slump, should be some good games. Too bad to hear about your game getting switched around like that. Speaking of fun family at a ball game, not sure if you caught the highlights of yesterdays ball games, but in Colorado the stadium got invaded by bees during the fifth inning.

  67. Gumper Knows Best says:

    What’s going on with the Habs. Have we gone from Ghost to Omerta?What are the boys doing? Who are the boys? In this day and age of camera phones are recorders we don’t even know who is being interviewed for what? No coaching candidate sighting? Nothing new in the organization? One day of Dudley and that’s it? Even the RDS spies can’t find a thing.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yes Gumper I am in absolute shock that we have not seen one article about how hard Gomez is working out and how he wants to make up for his poor season and blah blah blah blah. I am sure it will come soon. :)

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    • EsseV says:

      Geoff Molson was in shawinigan for the memorial cup yesterday, said Marc Bergevin will give an update on coaching search today from there

    • RGM says:

      There was a fun story about Carey Price and his early summer vacation in B.C. There’s just not a lot going on right now. Unless a team is firing a coach or still active in the playoffs, there’s just not going to be much in terms of news items.

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      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  68. SlovakHab says:

    Wow, we beat Canada!! I’m freakin stoked to be honest.. Canada built a really strong team – we lost our captain Demitra last year and a couple of more players during the tourney. And then we come and beat the best team in the tourney.

    And as much as we all hate Chara the Bruin, we all should acknowledge that he is simply a hockey winner. He captains probably the 7-8th best team at WC and guess who will play for the medals.

    Nice. We need more winners like that in Habs jerseys. Hockey games are won and lost based on how you play as a team.

    Slovakia beating the mighty USA and Canada just proves that again.

    “They had no business being in the game,” Lowe said of the Slovaks.

    Hockey, just like in life is about wanting it more. Either play or don’t play. Don’t pretend. If you don’t want to represent Canada after a long season in the NHL, stay at home instead. I lost lots of respect for Getzlaf and other team Canada players because they treated the tournament as a boozefest with some beer-league games to play. Shame on them.

    Either be in and give it 100%, or don’t play. I don’t think team Canada gave their 100% into the tournament – not even close.

    I have hated Chara for good 3-4 years and have looked up to Getzaf for a long time. Always wanted to see him in Habs jersey. At the moment it is safe to say that I respect Chara heaps more and I wish we had hockey winners and people who care about every single game, in every single position on the 2012-13 Canadiens.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Congrats on your country’s victory. As far as admiring Chara you can forget it. We all watched this dispicable thug chase Patches for a season and when he was finally able to get him he attempted to kill him. Then we witnessed the league and their mouth pieces surround Chara and the rest of the goons and the rest is history. No sir, your Chara will never be admired by me. Never!

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  69. JayK-47 says:

    “droughted” ?

  70. Rainrocket16 says:

    Kings are getting away with BS.. Better not be 2 rigged cups in a row to teams who are clearly droughted!


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