Kings up 2-0 after blanking not-so-wily Coyotes

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Kings’ Anze Kopitar celebrates goal scored on Coyotes goalie Mike Smith Tuesday night in Glendale.
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Being in the driver’s seat isn’t always the best place to be in traffic-choked Los Angeles. But the Kings will take it.

L.A. is up 2-0 on the Phoenix Coyotes, the Stanley Cup dream of the latter in a bad place after the Kings and goalie Jonathan Quick blanked the Yotes 4-0 on Tuesday. The Western Conference final returns to Los Angeles for Games 3 and 4.

Wednesday night: The New York Rangers aim to put the New Jersey Devils in a similar 2-0 hole in Game 2 at MSG.

Rowdies at MSG give Rangers a lift: Stubbs
NHL labour strife looms this summer: Hickey
• En français: Emelin hopes to sign long-term with Habs: Chaumont, Journal de Montréal

314 Comments

  1. boing007 says:

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    How much influence did the fans have on Gainey’s decision to bring in Gomez and give away McDonagh? Zero, I imagine.

    Ensuite. Were Auld and Budaj better backup goalies for Price than Halak? No.

    Richard R
    Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

    • Cardiac says:

      How much influence did the fans have on Gainey’s decision to bring in Gomez and give away McDonagh? Zero, I imagine.
      Your point? Any fan with half a brain was against the trade at the time.

      Were Auld and Budaj better backup goalies for Price than Halak? No.
      Once again your point? You consider Halak a backup? I’m sure his agent and the Blues organization would disagree with you. Would you have rather paid Halak 3.5-4 million a year to sit on the bench for half the season?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

  2. H.Upmann says:

    Two picks in the 2nd round? Will be an interesting draft day… Hmmmm

    • TomNickle says:

      I’m really hoping that Bergevin uses the #51 pick from Nashville and a mid-late round pick to get back into the first round.

      There should be a nice collection of talent there and giving Timmins an additional first rounder worked pretty well for Gainey in 2007 when he took McDonagh and Pacioretty.

      Hopefully Bergevin can nab somebody like Slater Koekkek or Michael Matheson late in the first round.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Are you saying they could move up over 20 spots (51 to 1st rd) with a mid/late round pick??

        /skeptical

        • TomNickle says:

          #51 and #93 could maybe get you #26-#30.

          He could use a prospect. I’d like to see him package something reasonable with that #51 pick to get back into the latter part of the first round.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            > #51 and #93 could maybe get you #26-#30.

            unfortunately, no.

            there are several examples, but let’s use this one.
            In 2010:
            Chicago’s #31 for NYI’s #35 + #58

          • TomNickle says:

            Looking over some drafts it definitely isn’t going to happen. For some reason I thought the Ottawa/Detroit deal last year was similar but I was wrong.

            I’d almost rather he stand pat in that case.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Yeah, giving up a 2nd to move up just a few spaces is basically a 2 for 1 proposition. Perhaps if they are really targeting someone…like the deal to land Tinordi (mind you, they got back a 4th).

      • Storm Man says:

        I just hope we don’t get a bust picking number 3…

  3. Timo says:

    Sooo…. How is Halak doing? I bet his golfing is better than Prices rodeo’ing.

  4. Rainrocket16 says:

    OK I am Back!!!!

    Who we taking in the draft? I say we get Grigorenko, despite the Mono this kid is big and can finish plays. Any other takers? Hopefully Edmonton and Columbus pass on The Nail but doubt it.

  5. shiram says:

    Will the Flames and/or Caps get a better Head coach than the Habs?

    • Lafleurguy says:

      When and who was our last Jack Adams (coach of the year) winner?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • shiram says:

        Pat Burns in 89, what’s that got to do with my question?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I’m guessing the innuendo is that we haven’t hired a Coach of the Year in a long time.

          • shiram says:

            Martin won a Jack Adams, and he was nominated twice more, and he could not cut it here.

          • commandant says:

            Its unfortunate the Flames and Caps have more options than we do, but thats the reality of the market, and has been beaten more than the dead horse of the McD deal.

            Go Habs Go!
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          • shiram says:

            I think it’s not just the language thing, but I’m hoping the Habs have other aspects that might be interesting for any potential head coach that would offered any of those 3 spots.
            Franchise history, players and management.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Shiram: I like your point.

          Martin won a Jack Adams, and he was nominated twice more, and he could not cut it here.

          Won’t get into that one though ;-)

        • Mr. Biter says:

          When I comment about the coaching options the need for a ‘French Speaking Coach” limits our options on who can be hired. BTW great retort to yesterday post about limiting our ability to hire regarding Ron Wilson. Brillant.

          Mr. Biter
          No Guts No Glory

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Thanks Mr. Biter! How are things in the Peg these days? I heard the Bombers new stadium is a little behind schedule.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Don’t know, but I do hope Calgary hires Dallas Eakins, will drive the Weed fans here crazy just as many here were pissed when we lost Boucher to Tampa.

    • Cardiac says:

      The thing with the Caps is they live and die with Ovechkin. Whoever comes in will have to keep him happy and give him his 20 minutes a game. Also, they will be losing key guys like Semin and Wideman to free agency, not to mention playing musical chairs again with their goalie. It will be a challenging task for sure.

      As for the Flames, what can you say? Iginla’s one year older and closer to retirement. Same with Kiprusoff. Bouwmeester continues to disappoint. They can’t figure out whether Cammy is a center or a winger. I don’t know anything about their prospects so I cannot comment on that. Would you take a job with this organization?

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      – Jerry Maguire

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Honestly, the list of available non French-speaking coaches is not much more impressive than the available French-speaking coaches.
      I would be happy with Crawford, Hartley, or Roy….assuming Vigneault does not become available.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay, so for all those interested in details pertaining the Gomez/MacDonagh trade, you may be interested in this music video from a young band called Dr. Norton. :)

    http://vimeo.com/6330347

  7. The Jackal says:

    McDo is such a beast, I really wish we got get a mulligan for that trade. But that is the past, we can’t take it back, as much as we’d like to push Gomez down their throats and reclaim our former stud D.

    But have heart Habs fans, we have a good core of youngsters – PK and Price are going to be stars in this league for years, Pac is the powerforward we have wanted for years, and Cole will help us until he laces them up one last time. We also have DD, Emelin, and Eller, who will be good players for us as well. Then we also have Beaulieu, Ellis, and Tinordi, who are looking more and more like future anchors of our D. Let’s not forget LL, hey may not be the centre we have always wanted, but at worst he’ll be a second line guy. We have a decent group of veterans that will help the young guys develop well as they are good role models. Hopefully in this draft we load up on players that will help us be competitive for years.

    I wonder who we should take. The new ISS rankings are out and Galchenyuk, the favourite of the commentariat, is not in the top 10, and Grigorenko has slid down a spot while Murray has risen to #3. For me a good draft would be us getting promising players that we can develop to be stars and depth players, so that we may have lots of scoring depth and a strong D. That being said, I don’t know who we should take, but I don’t think we should trade our pick as we probably won’t be contenders next season and it’s best to build our team to be constantly competitive.

    The best thing, IMO, would be to draft wisely, and may trade a couple of veterans for picks. Perhaps we could trade down if we are set on Galchenyuk, and get a prospect as well. If we draft well this year and next, I think that will set us up for being a deep team.

    What do all you noble fans think?

    • Malreg says:

      Galchenyuk has been out of the top-10 in the ISS rankings for a while now, I believe.

      • commandant says:

        Galchenyuk was 20th in the ISS rankings before. They’ve openly admitted he is lower because of the injury they didn’t see him play enough.

        14 is by far the lowest ranking of any of these publications.

        Red line has him at 7
        Hockeyprospect at 1
        Hockeyprospectus at 3
        Future Considerations at 2
        Bob McKenzie at 6
        Craig Button at 4
        Hockey writers at 6
        My site has him at 4 (though my personal rank is 2).

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  8. Habsrule1 says:

    Would Patrick Roy be willing to come to Montreal as assistant coach? Could Crawford or Hartley convince him? Or anyone else?
    I doubt it, but what do you guys think?

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • commandant says:

      I don’t think he would, but there’s of course no harm in asking.

      I think I’d hire him as head coach as long as we can get experienced assistants.

      I don’t like the idea of a rookie coach and rookie GM, but the experienced coaches on the market for the headcoaching job are just, not very good.

      So get Roy an experienced assistant (kinda like Dudley with Bergevin) and go from there. Larry Robinson would have been ideal, but he doesn’t want the job.

      I’m not a fan of Carbo, Therrien, or Hartley; and Crawford’s legal troubles will keep me away from him.

      Go Habs Go!
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    • Max_a_million says:

      He doesn’t strike me as much of a second fiddle guy.

  9. Habsrule1 says:

    Oops…double post. First time!
    Damn.
    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  10. 24more says:

    Apologies if this has already been linked somewhere, but I thought the Commentariat might appreciate this article about the rise of Ryan McDonagh from yesterday’s Wall Street Journal. It includes a couple interesting perspectives on the infamous trade that sent his rights from Montreal to New York.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304371504577406573692964562.html?mod=rss_newyork_main

  11. TomNickle says:

    MY OPINION, on how to beat the Los Angeles Kings.

    As Marc Crawford and Ray Ferraro have pointed out the Kings are big, strong and skilled. They’ve been executing the simple and correct plays regularly and it’s paid off for them in a big way.

    I think to beat them or at the very least make things tougher on them the Coyotes or the winner of the Eastern Final will have to be more aggressive. The Coyotes have gotten away with surrendering scoring chances by being passive and Smith has bailed them out. With big bodies executing by controlling the puck their opponents would be well served by committing two bodies to the puck carrier and leaving the far side defenseman alone in the defensive zone. Make them get a long pass through two bodies instead of one and apply suffocating pressure on the puck carrier.

    And on top of that, shoot high on Quick, elevate the puck as much as possible and hope he doesn’t come up with the save.

    • LNev says:

      Has anyone noticed that all the talking heads keep pointing out that (insert goalie) is weak on the high shots? They’ll show teams taking shots at the corners and say something like “they’ve scouted and found xyz’s weakness”… Like Price a few years back. Then the whole conversation devolves into “goalie xyz has a terrible glove”.

      Hey TV pundits who get paid more then I do: The Goalies rarely get beaten by anything low. They are more then capable of blocking the loweast portions of the net with the largest pieces of their equipment. Additionally, EVERYone is sliding infront of shots these days.
      THEREFORE: The top corners are less likely to be blocked or obstructed.
      THEREFORE: They are shooting where they have the best chance of hitting the net.
      THEREFORE: more goals up high because there are more shots up high.

      John Shannon & HNIC you are welome.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Bravo LNev, you nailed it. Thanks for that post, yet the talking heads speak like they just reinvented the wheel. Didn’t Maclean actually setup PJ Depends the other day saying, PJ, you spotted something regarding Lundqvist! And PJ went on with the dribble about shooting high glove/corner.

        Great Post!

  12. 24 Cups says:

    In lieu of any more sword fights, here’s the latest prospect rankings for the entry 2012 draft. Hab fans might want to zero in on the 30-35 range. Not to mention the 14th overall “best” pick.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=396087

  13. Dr.Rex says:

    Random Wednesday thoughts:
    – Why does Criag Button think the habs will select Grigs 3rd overall yet he ranks him at #20 on his latest rankings.
    – There is absoulutely no need to rush a coaching decision at this point with the limited options…..WE dont need one to prepare for the draft.
    – I wonder if the rumors are true that Brian Burke is now a depends user.
    – ITs clear that Glachenyuk is our guy and if he is availbale at 3 then we will select him.
    – ANyone else a little worried that the oilers throw a offer sheet at Subban? I guarantee they have discussed this option at length.

    • shiram says:

      In the unlikely event that the Oilers send an offer sheet to Subban, Habs would either match, or Subban would just prefer to sign in MTL.
      I’m pretty sure he enjoys it here, and would not want to move to Edmonton.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Button’s rankings have been out of whack from the very beginning. I love how he keeps posting his updates and then does a mock draft that is based on everyone else’s lists.

      For me, Bob McKenzie’s final list (based on multiple scouting polls) has been the most accurate for the past eight years or so.

      I agree there’s no rush to select a coach. Let’s make sure of all of the available condidates before we make our choice.

      The heat is on Burke for the first time since he has arrived in Toronto. The honeymoon is over, for sure. He’s not on the clock, but it’s starting to tick.

      Picking 3rd will pretty well be a no brainer. Selecting 32nd or 33rd will be the real challenge.

      I can see Edmonton doing that but we would have no other option but to match their offer.

      • TomNickle says:

        Ryan Murray at #12 and Mikhail Grigorenko at #20 is absurd. I realize it’s only his opinion and that he’s got far more experience than most but I think that’s just him trying to be too cute with his rankings.

        There’s no way he can justify those specific rankings to anyone involved with hockey.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I agree Tom, it’s as if he’s going out of his way to be different, almost confrontational. I guess there are so many rankings out there, he’s trying to stake out a clear claim. Or, he has individually scouted each of these players, and is not sharing notes with anyone and peeking at other lists, and he caught Mr. Murray and Mr. Grigorenko on off-nights, while he saw others when they were having a great game.

          Either way, I concur with 24 Cups that Bob McKenzie’s is more accurate, it does even out the errors when you ask multiple scouts their take. I like when he says things like “John Smith is a concensus Top 5 pick, no one had him ranked lower than 5th, and two scouts had him at #1…” and “Joe Brown caused some disagreement. Some scouts had him ranked as high as #8, while a couple had him out of the first round entirely.” These writeups help to frame how a prospect is viewed.

          I have a hard time seeing either Ryan Murray and Mikhail Grigorenko falling so far down. Mr. Grigorenko especially, in his first year in North America, adapting to a new culture and language, and fighting off mono in the latter part of the season, needs to have his performance viewed in context.

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    • Malreg says:

      -He had the Canadiens taking Grigorenko 3rd because that was a mock draft, and not a ranking of players.
      -We don’t need a coach for the draft, but we do need one for free agency.

      Zero worries about an offer sheet for any player… Last summer proved that offer sheets are almost non-existant.

    • LNev says:

      I’m curious what you mean by: ITs clear that Glachenyuk is our guy

      Could you explain why/what makes you think it is clear? Aside from posts on here, I’ve seen/heard nothing about the Habs draft intentions. Certainly nothing to lock him in as ‘our’ selection.

      (not being a jerk, just wondering if i missed something)

  14. Propwash says:

    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=80229

    For those of us that are feeling a bit nostalgic.

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    Hold down Shift while clicking refresh.

  15. 24 Cups says:

    I’m starting to get a bad feeling in my gut about this whole coaching dilemma.

    Slim Pickens, in deed.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcW_Ygs6hm0

    • shiram says:

      Here’s hoping they sign a HC for 2 years max or so.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I guess that might makes sense in some ways, but I’m also thinking that we actually need to give the coach a chance. We have hired inexperienced coaches, then fire them at the first sign of trouble. If you know he’s inexperienced when you hire him, why not be a little more patient with him?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • shiram says:

          My thinking was more along the line of, get someone to fill the void now, on a 2 year deal. If they work out great, extend them! If not, in 2 years some good coaches should be at the end of their deals.
          Maybe Boucher? I think Muller got a 4 year deal in Carolina.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Signing a coach to a 2 year contract is problematic, it sends the message that the coach isn’t fully supported by management, that he is on a trial basis, a lame duck. Let’s remember how Randy Cunneyworth fared with the interim designation attached to his title.

        The industry standard is a three year contract, with the coach being extended as he approaches the last season. When a coach is working on his last contract year, it becomes an issue and a distraction.

        ———————————
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    • Dr.Rex says:

      Cory Clouston is now available.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Another example where our language requirements help us, by ensuring we cannot hire Cory! See there is good in everything Doc!

  16. adamkennelly says:

    No Crawford and No Hartley….there is a reason they have been out of NHL coaching. I would prefer a “professional coach” as opposed to an x-player – unless the x-player is Patrick Roy surrounded by highly competent assistants (Carbo, Savard)…this is gonna be interesting.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      I’m iffy on them both. They both won Cups with stacked teams. They also were both given some very difficult coaching assignments afterwards than did not quite pan out, although Dallas did improve slightly under Crawford, just not enough.
      If either were chosen, I’d assume it was because Bergevin liked what they had to say and their vision for the Habs.
      I could see Roy with Carbo & Robinson as assistants (or reasonable facsimiles).

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t believe Tom has ever called anyone names. He argues his point, but usually in a polite manner.

    He’s sometimes right and occasionally insightful.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      Haha. Gee thanks.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      HF72, you do have a way with words. Your description of Tom reminds me of a phrase my father would often say to me. “Son, you’re not often wrong, But you’re right again” It was a compliment, but it always had a different vibe to it. He would smile after, anyways, your post reminded me of that. hehe,

      So thanks for doing that. Cheers.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Truth be told, it’s probably just seems like he’s argumentative. He’d probably be a good person to debate with face to face. Things can come off differently on a forum.
      It’s a free forum and I’ve never found Tom to be insulting or disrespectful.
      What I don’t like is my problem.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • geo_habsgo says:

      I don’t get why everyone slags on Tom. He’s passionate and argues his points coherently. I don’t always agree with him but he backs up what he says. Sometimes he comes on strong but never impolite.

      I don’t see how his posting here is any different then, say, HardHabits who argued just as passionately for around 6 months but about the SAME issue everyday. Damn him that he turned out to be right in the end about the Tankwagon™ lol

      We need these colourful posters here to keep things lively! Sincerely.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Now why did you have to come on here and make sense of everything geo? ;-)

      • GenerationYHabs says:

        It just seems that many posters here have a tendancy to ostrasize anyone who argues any point opposite the norm with any bit of conviction.

        People always seem to be jumping on posters like Tom, HardHabits or even Andrew Berkshire, and even though more often then not I don’t agree with much of what they say, I do enjoy reading well thought out colorful posts.

        This place would get really boring really fast if every post jsut turned into “Fire the coach, fire the gm, everythign else is amazing except Gomez! Go habs go!”

        • geo_habsgo says:

          I agree! I like that they contribute we used to have so many strong voices here and so many decided to leave. I’d rather come here and read strong opinions with facts rather than just spewing back whatever we heard Marinaro say on TSN 990. Especially these days that there isn’t too much habscentric news we need the louder posters around to keep things fresh.

          Then you have the guys like HabinBurlington to referee the arguments and offer some levity. HIO is all about balance!

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Tell you folks what, I sure hope our Habs team plays as feisty on the ice next year as we fans are here on HIO! :)

  19. TomNickle says:

    THE RULES
    Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate, but there is a zero-tolerance policy regarding racism, profanity and behaviour that we deem to be offensive.
    We will, without warning, ban those who do not abide by this simple rule, so as to maximize the enjoyment of readers and participants of both sexes and all ages

    I’m a passionate fan. I’m going to express my views on things hockey and Habs because that’s what this place is for. I believe in my opinions and facts I use to support them to the best of my knowledge and research. If they’re shown to be incorrect I’ll gladly admit that they are and use the new information in forming a new opinion.

    If you’re going to twist my words in an effort to argue, I’m going to correct you. If you’re going to accuse me of being a know it all, I’m merely going to point out that I’m stating my opinion unless what I’m referring to is a fact, at which point I will use points of reference to verify that it is fact.

    If I’m having a conversation with you and your opinion is based on something that isn’t true, I’m going to point it out because I would appreciate it if I was corrected when there’s verification that I’m incorrect.

    I’m sorry if you perceive that to be arrogant, I can’t show you that it isn’t because this is the internet and I can’t communicate to you face to face or audibly.

    In short, don’t dish it out if you can’t take it. If you want to point a finger at me and say I’m a know it all when you’re arguing something with me I hope you realize that you’re no less of a know it all or argumentative for doing the same thing. If you’re going to correct me with something to back up what you’re saying, thank you. If you don’t have a leg to stand on or your agenda is simply to argue because you don’t like me or what I have to say, I’m not going politely sit here and ask for more. I’m going to debate the point with you using opinion that is supported by facts where correct.

    If you don’t like what I have to say and you aren’t in a position where you enjoy seeing all points of view, don’t hit the reply button.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Everyone’s wrong but you, Tom.
      I apologize on everyon’e behalf.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • TomNickle says:

        This is exactly what I’m talking about. In what way did I just say that I’m always right and that everyone I speak with is wrong?

        Apparently you wouldn’t know an olive branch if smacked you in the face.

        Edit: You’ve got a pretty short memory by the way. We disagreed amicably earlier today, the posts are still on this page.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          You just don’t seem to ever admit when someone else could be right.
          For example, when you wrote about Sylvain Lefebrve and I said he signed a contract, all you did was say that doesn’t matter. I said that’s true, but I don’t think it will happen.
          It may just be perception because I never really read about you agreeing with things that other posters write. You just continuously argue your point.
          It’s quite possible that someone else may be right.
          Bergevin may just choose someone he knows as coach. We should all hope against hope that he chooses the best coach instead…..and it might just happen.
          Basically, your style of writing rubs many of us the wrong way. In the end, we should learn to ignore them, but I thought I’d discuss it a little first.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • TomNickle says:

            This is my reply to the post you’re referring to.

            “The contract extension says he’s happy but there’s nothing stopping assistant coaches from changing locations. Happens every season on a pretty large scale.”

            I’m having trouble finding the words “you’re wrong” there. I’m also having a hard time finding anything argumentative about that. I acknowledge that he appears to be satisfied in Colorado and only point out that assistant coaches often change locations.

            I could easily be wrong but this looks very much like you and Max are seeing what you want to see.

          • shiram says:

            I get what you are saying Habsrule1, I had a similar thought when Tom and I discussed what to do with Pleks. I don’t think Tom has any mean spirited intentions though, he believes strongly in what he posts, and will defend his arguments toroughly to say the least.
            He brings some good information, and gets me thinking on alot of issues he posts about, and that’s a benefit for this place.
            If you don’t feel like arguing, you can just not reply to his posts, it’s simpler than calling someone out…

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Well, instead of starting with “that could be, but….” you go right into arguing your point.
            Hey, it’s not a big deal. As I stated above, you’re probably more fun to debate with face to face than here.
            You do present some very good arguments and research quite a bit. You seem very knowledgeable but it just feels like you write off any differing opinions.
            But looks can be deceiving when on a forum such as this.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • TomNickle says:

            I didn’t say “that could be”.

            I was agreeing with you. How do you not see that?

            I’ve now told you three times that I agreed that he’s happy in Colorado because he signed a contract extension.

            What would you have me do? Want me to post a four paragraph opinion about how brilliant it is to deduce that a man is happy with his current role because he signed a contract extension to continue his employment with that organization?

            Seriously. You want me to avoid be argumentative. You believe that I don’t see things from your perspective. I agree with something you say and your response is to completely ignore it and argue that I haven’t agreed with you when everything I’ve said about the subject says that I do.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I’m saying if you waould have started with “that could be” or “that’s possible”, it would seem like your points are not the only possible options.
            In any case, as I said, it doesn’t matter. I still think a lot of what you write is really good and I learn a lot from it.
            I just find sometimes your posts come off a bit pompous, that’s all.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Max_a_million says:

      That’s right you just take your ball and go home Tom. So much easier than acting like a decent person. Stop calling people names, or I will submit your name banishment. People don’t deserve that.

      Sometimes in life we go beyond rules into common courtesy. Try it. It doesn’t hurt, I promise.

      • TomNickle says:

        Show me a post where I called somebody anything other than a hypocrite? Please Max. I’m waiting.

        You’re all talk. Don’t go pointing your finger without a leg to stand on.

        And I’m wondering who in the hell you think you are that you’re going to have me banished?

        • Max_a_million says:

          Just stop calling people names. I am sorry that you are having trouble dealing with this, relax take a some deep breaths, and stop calling people names.

          • TomNickle says:

            I think you’re confused Max. I haven’t called anyone names. Maybe you should seek help. You’re seeing things that aren’t there.

    • Max says:

      You do come across as a know it all with an abrasive personality,whether that’s your intention or not,I can’t say.

      A few weeks ago I posted about being/living in Russia in the context of a discussion about Russian players and you claimed that it was B.S that I’d never been to Russia yadda yadda yadda.

      I’ve been there and lived there and have a good insight into the culture but you weren’t having any of that.

      Then I discussed seeing Filip Forsberg play live many times in Sweden (a few dozen times at least) which I did,but you shot me down and belittled my first hand experience in seeing him play “live” countless times.

      I found you to be a bit of a douche in many conversations on here. I assume you are the type to tell it like you see it which is fine,but you should realize other people often have more insight and knowledge than yourself at times,as hard as that may be to imagine.

      • TomNickle says:

        The conversation you’re alluding to as I recall surrounded the perceived notion that Russian hockey players are lazy and that Swedish hockey players are hard working.

        That kind of generalized crap floods this place every day and it’s sickening to think that somebody who has allegedly lived in Russia and taken in many minor professional Swedish hockey games could form such an opinion.

        My suspicion is that you weren’t being truthful about living in Russia and that you’ve never seen a minor professional Swedish hockey game. It’s fairly convenient that you mentioned you had seen Filip Forsberg play and then after blasting Russian hockey players decided to share that you had lived in Russia when confronted on the generalization.

        You didn’t mention where you saw Forsberg play, the team he faced or at what period in the season you saw him. You also didn’t share what prompted you to take up residence in Russia. Russia and Sweden aren’t too far away from each other but a trip from the closest part of Russia to Sweden would probably be a minimum ten hour drive or three hour flight. Sorry for not believing that you would travel from Russia to Sweden to watch an Allsvenskan hockey game when you have the SEL, SM-Liga and the KHL at either closer distances or better brand of hockey.

        Regardless of whether or not you’ve seen Filip Forsberg play his offensive production has been a step below mediocre and as such it’s highly unlikely that he has any kind of elite offensive skills.

        As for your living in Russia and moonlighting as a fan of the Allsvenskan hockey league, I’m saying BS. That would be akin to somebody from Southern Ontario driving or flying to Reading to watch the ECHL team compete.

        • Max says:

          Wow,you are very belligerent and stubborn.I know the truth so that is all that matters. Have a nice day.

          • TomNickle says:

            Stubborn? Absolutely. But belligerent? Because I found your counter to my accusation that you’ve stereotyped Russian players that you live or have lived in Russia to be a lie after having also said that you travelled to Sweden to watch minor professional hockey games in an effort to solidify your statement that you’d seen Filip Forsberg play live “dozens of times”?

            And still you don’t even offer up as much as a reason for travelling to Sweden from Russia to watch the Leksands IF team play when the KHL and SM-Liga are both closer and better hockey products.

            If by some small miracle I happen to be wrong about your not living in Russia and not having seen Filip Forsberg play live dozens of times at this point it’s something I’m comfortable with. Your story thus far has been nothing short of a fairy tale and funny enough all of this information came out when you were confronted about stereotypical views of both Russian and Swedish hockey players. It’s infinitely more likely that you made up a story about living in Russia in an effort to credit yourself as somebody with first hand knowledge of Russian people and more specifically their hockey players and in an effort to make Filip Forsberg seem like a better prospect than he already is you used the “I’ve seen him live” fall back as if it were some sort of clincher.

            You shared a borderline racist opinion. Tried to mask it by saying you’d lived among the people that you were stereotyping and compounded that lie by saying that you’d travelled from Russia to Sweden to watch the North American equivalent of an AHL game. More than a dozen times.

            Please. I was born at night but it wasn’t last night.

  20. Sal from the Hammer says:

    On the coaching front “All Habs” makes a very complelling case for a Carbo/Robinson tandem. If I knew how to create a link I would, but, in a nutshell, he feels that Carbo learned a lesson re- communicating with players, and, his RDS time has worked wonders for his overall communication skills. Larry Robinson as a Defensive coach…can you imagine what kind of respect and knowledge that guy can bring to any defensive scheme? If you’re a defenseman, I don’t care who you think you are, playing in the NHL, and “Larry Robinson” wants to impart some of the vast knowledge he has, you have to be an idiot not to give him your complete attention. Nuff said….

    • Max_a_million says:

      Do you worry that Carbo hasn’t been aggressive about working in coaching in the interim?

    • Habsrule1 says:

      My problem with Carbo is he hasn’t really tried to get back into coaching. He coached his own team in the Q for a very short period of time and left. Besides that, he was very unsuccessful with the U-18 team. I could only see him as an assistant now….perhaps along with Robinson. My choice for head coach would be Roy, Crawford, or Hartley.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • shiram says:

        Yup, I agree, I don’t feel like Roy would be the best choice for the Habs, but at least he is committed to coaching.
        Carbo is not committed to coaching.

  21. shiram says:

    Brodeur : “We might be able to hurt a few guys [by] hitting one-timers in the foot and their head or something.”

    Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/marty_foolish_to_suggest_such_thing_0Ll3qlQBMEC0YQpm8JKpuK#ixzz1v39zzta4

    That’s a ballsy thing to say.
    http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/marty_foolish_to_suggest_such_thing_0Ll3qlQBMEC0YQpm8JKpuK#ixzz1v2ZQUl63

  22. shiram says:

    I don’t know if this was posted, but apparently Habs could be pursuing Damien Brunner, from Switzerland.
    Could be next season’s Diax, but he is a forward, he is described as : “A slick offensive forward who can shoot as well as pass the puck. Has great wheels and hands. Plays a gritty game.”

  23. RobertAlanFord says:

    Soooooo….. We’re all eagerly anticipating who the next coach of our beloved Habs will be and a lot of names have been thrown around, by both fans and media. We all have our reasons for naming this one or that. I have my list, you have yours, they have theirs and we can all argue them back and forth until the ‘reply’ option disappears from the original post. The truth is, all we’ve heard from Mr. Bergevin himself is that it will happen sooner rather than later and that they will be a good communicator. By that he is not only referring to the communication with the players or the media, but between coach and GM too. A sort of “help me help you” line of communication let’s say. Last month when Geoff Molson introduced Mr. Bergevin as the new GM, he mentioned that one of the selling points was Bergevin’s philosophy of building a team is like building a house; you need a strong foundation (core players) and build your way up from there. This will only be successful if the coach is giving constant feedback as to what pieces are working within his system and which ones aren’t. The decisions regarding wich of these core players stay or go will be based on who’s strategy is in place behind the bench and be assureded that Bergevin will give whoever the next coach is the best tools possible in order for them to do their job to the best of their ability.
    Honestly, with everything that is going on with the Canadiens this off season; new GM, new coach, that huge third overall pick, the rookies headed for Hamilton next year, etc……… I feel like a little kid on Christmas again except this one lasts all summer long. Giggidy!

  24. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if this has been posted before but Stu Hackel put together a great video montage of Torterella clips, worth watching.

    http://nhl-red-light.si.com/2012/05/15/john-tortorellas-greatest-hits/?sct=nhl_t12_a0

  25. Max_a_million says:

    Why do the Montreal Canadiens deserve the best coach, because we can! ‘Deserves ain’t got nothing to do with it!’

    We have deeper pockets, more prestige. The Yankees are not out looking for guys who couldn’t make it in Kansas City. (But they didn’t have a very good pitching staff in Kansas City …) Coaches are responsible for the entire team, including the goaltending last time I checked.

    Our coach had better be one of the best the game has to offer, if not fire the coach and or fire Bergevin and start over again! Time to start acting the part here. No more meek, we can’t have any coaches because they don’t want to be here crap.

    • TomNickle says:

      It’s very unlikely that the best coach is available to the Montreal Canadiens. First of all, he happens to be holding a Head Coaching job in Detroit right now.

      Second, due to language restrictions that do exist the Habs can’t hire the best coach unless he happens to be able to communicate in French.

      What they can do is hire a bilingual coach and develop him properly like a prized prospect and hope that he becomes one of the best.

      That’s the reason that I feel this team should hire somebody like a Jacques Lemaire to serve as mentor to whatever coach this team hires.

      • RobertAlanFord says:

        I agree 100%

      • Cal says:

        Head coaches now need mentors? Wow. Talk about chopping off authority at the knees.
        MB: “Ok,ok, ____. You are the head coach of les Canadiens now. Remember, I am your boss. Mr. Molson is your boss. Oh, and by the way, Coco is your babysitter. Ok, ok _____, go get me the Cup!”

        • TomNickle says:

          If this team hires a Pascal Vincent or Denis Savard it would be wise to have somebody giving them advice.

          Not on in-game strategy but on issues that young coaches are challenged with. How did John MacLean do with Ilya Kovalchuk? Bruce Boudreau with Alex Ovechkin? Carbonneau with Kovalev?

          Coaches face challenges that can kill their careers before they get started. Having somebody in place who’s seen everything you can see as a coach and offer advice to a young coach that you’re trying to develop isn’t babysitting. It’s insulating and helping.

          • Max_a_million says:

            Apparently everyone on here except you is an idiot, an ass, a fool …

            They should give you the job, apparently you know everything already, which thinking that actually makes you sound like the …

            Cal is a smart guy with a decent opinion, stop resorting to name calling!

          • TomNickle says:

            Me saying that this team should hire a mentor if they hire a young coach is me giving the impression that I know everything?

          • Max_a_million says:

            No Tom, you always calling people names and acting like anyone who doesn’t agree with you is an idiot makes you sound like an …

            It’s alright for people to disagree with you. Cal didn’t call you name, and neither did I. I am trying to help you to communicate with people here. Take it as mentoring. You can’t just storm over everyone, and act as if you know everything. Lots of smart people have different opinions.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            You do come off as pretty pompous Tom.

            I also think if the Habs need to hire someone to advise the new coach, they’re picking the wrong coach. Hopefully the interview process will stop that from happening.
            Whoever they choose, experienced or not, they need to have full confidence in.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • TomNickle says:

            Hey Max. Show me a post I’ve had where I call somebody here a name.

            If you’re going to go out of your way to discredit me or make me seem like a troll you had better back it up.

            I’m sick of your shit. You argue with every single thing I say and while I don’t have a problem with that, it’s the hypocritical finger pointing you do that’s pushing my buttons.

            I don’t state my opinion to be fact unless I have evidence to support it as fact.

            So if your only agenda is to argue with me without any substance, poke and prod, focus your energy somewhere else please.

        • Max_a_million says:

          Coco wants a kitty … remember how Coco the gorilla used to have a kitten. That was funny. You nailed it Cal. You don’t hire someone to coach the Canadiens and hope he grows into the job. You don’t hire a guy, and give him a babysitter. That’s ridiculous!

          See: Therien, Julien, Vigneault, Carbo …

          • TomNickle says:

            Apparently you and Cal know everything, so everyone else is an ass or stupid.

            Maybe Cal should be hired as GM and you as coach because you know everything.

          • Cal says:

            This is a Public Service Announcement:
            Do not, I repeat, do not disagree with TomNickle.
            At least, on this site, anyway. ;)

    • Malreg says:

      The best coaches this game has to offer are obviously already all hired, so obviously you are not going to get one of them.

      • Max_a_million says:

        Maybe the Ft. Nowhere bloodhounds will let us talk to one of their assistants?

        Powerful people make things happen. They do, they really do.

  26. Strummer says:

    Never thought I would tip my hat to Darryl Sutter but he’s doing a fine job in La La Land.

    This is the kind of coach we need.

    Can we enroll him in French Immersion?

    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I was at the pub in Calgary (2009) accross from my apartment and Darryl Sutter walks in and takes the bar stool beside mine.

      We ended up watching the entire SJ Vs Detroit games together and just casually chatted back and forth. The guy was the nicest and most down to earth hockey personality I’ve ever met.

      Main point of our conversation was that even though Detroit isn’t mean and nasty, a lot of their European players are big and strong and they really ware down other teams.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Neat story Hobie, I don’t think I have ever heard a story that makes a Sutter brother sound like anything but classy guys.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          He also told me when he was the GM in SJ that Jonathan Cheechoo and his entire family/tribe rode into SJ on a convoy of Harley Davidsons from northern Ontario to sign his first contract with the team.

      • He’s a farmer at heart. Hard working and a pure to god good man.

        Just like almost everyone you meet in hockey.

        But fans (some) eat their own no matter what they (men) ever did for them . They aren’t fans, they’re lonely men who need someone else championship to make them feel like a winner :lol: The examples on here is beyond proof enough.

        They Call Me Shane
        “They never asked to be Canadiens, they were Chosen.”
        Shane Oliver
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      • Strummer says:

        The guy seems to have the ability to get the most out of an under-achieving team – a fundamental quality in a good coach.
        He wasn’t as successful as a GM in Calgary so maybe this is more his forte.

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Martin Amis took it as proof of John Updike’s great mind that he could keep the characters straight in an Iris Murdoch novel.

      Similarly anyone who can tell the Sutter Bros apart knows his hockey.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Well done, a Martin Amis quote. Props.

        Completely agree about the Sutter brothers. Without cheating, here is what I know.

        I think Duane or Darryl is the eldest.

        Rich and Ron are the twins. They were born before Brent.

        Brent is the youngest.

        They have kids in the league and the pipeline.

        I think Brent is a partner on the Calgary Hitmen.

        How did I do?

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  27. TomNickle says:

    Ray Shero has the best and worst problem a General Manager in the NHL could ask for.

    He has Jordan Staal, Evgeni Malkin and Sidney Crosby and may be forced to trade one of them.

    If I’m Ray Shero here’s what I do.

    I’m talking to the three of them individually and seeing where their heads are at. Are they all willing to stay together? Willing to take small pay cuts on their contract extensions(not Staal)? Willing to move to the wing if need be?

    If all three are willing to do this I would move heaven and earth to get Marc Andre Fleury in a different jersey. He has a $5 million cap hit over the next three season and has rarely been better than average by starting NHL goalie standards in his career. He’s a mentally fragile guesser in nets so when he’s on his game he looks like an All-star and when he’s off his game he looks like a bad backup.

    If Crosby, Malkin and Staal can’t co-exist on the same team I move Crosby with one caveat. The return must include a first overall pick. The Pittsburgh hockey market was as fragile as Phoenix is today prior to Crosby’s addition. The only way that franchise survives trading him is by getting a potential franchise player that it can sell in return. I would trade Crosby due to his health issues and his lack of composure on the ice.

    I would be seeking a first overall pick and another first round pick in the following draft, a prospect and a cheap roster player.

    For argument’s sake looking at Edmonton I would be asking for their #1 overall, first rounder next year, Oscar Klefbom and Magnus Paarjvi

    • shiram says:

      They could definately upgrade the goalie position, and they have some depth to make the moves to make it so. None of their AHL goalie looks like a starter, from their stats.

    • If anyone’s going it’s Malkin.

      Crosby fills the seats, and the fans/kids all around the world love him.

      I’m guessing ownership is going to ride that horse till he’s buried.

      Crosby saved that franchise.

      Pittsburgh is not Montreal. The fans will stay away.

      WHat a great summer thus far. Hope everyone is enjoying it.

      Laters

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    • Malreg says:

      You’re absolutely crazy if you would trade Crosby for Yakupov/Murray, 2013 1st rounder, Klefbom and Paajarvi.

      Edmonton having Crosby would automatically make their 2013 1st rounder a non-lottery pick, so you can’t say you’re getting two 1st overalls. If it was a guaranteed 1st overall in 2013 and you could pick up either Jones or Mackinnon, it makes it easier to swallow, but still not enough for Pittsburgh to justify that trade…

      • TomNickle says:

        And if Crosby only plays another 20 games?

        • Malreg says:

          What if he’s healthy for the rest of his career, and puts up between 130-150 points for the next 8 years?

          • TomNickle says:

            That’s the risk. I would avoid moving Crosby but under the current circumstances if I had to choose between the three of them I would trade him.

            It’s the kind of decision that either looks brilliant in the long run or gets people fired very quickly.

  28. Habsrule1 says:

    I think the decision on the head coach will come down to who has the best vision for the team and who can make this team better.
    I believe past relationships will play a very small part in it.
    Bergevin will choose who he believes is the best man for the job after speaking with each candidate.
    Pretty simple plan, if you ask me.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • TomNickle says:

      Toronto – Brian Burke hires Randy Carlyle who he won a Cup with in Anaheim.

      Ottawa – Bryan Murray hires Dave Cameron as assistant coach. Cameron coached Eugene Melnyk’s OHL team.

      Buffalo – Darcy Regier hires Lindy Ruff who coincidentally played with Don Maloney in New York. Don Maloney hired Darcy Regier as Assistant GM with the Islanders two years earlier.

      That’s just the NorthEast division. You really think the hockey operations hirings in the NHL aren’t based on close previous relationships and trust?

      • Habsrule1 says:

        Why do you always post as if you’re always right?
        There are many more examples of coaches having little connection to the GM that hired him, but thanks for the 4 examples. Not to mention how well all those have worked out.
        Of course they likely know them, and you can probably play 6 Degrees to Marc Bergevin with many competent coaches.
        The bottom line is, if he does his job properly, he will pick the best coach…not just the guy he happens to go way back with.
        Hell, it may be one in the same.
        Or not.

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • TomNickle says:

          I’m posting that hockey operations hires happen due to personal relationships because the majority of them happen exactly for that reason.

          Claude Julien doesn’t have a connection to Cam Neely or Peter Chiarelli. There’s one.

          Dan Byslma doesn’t have one to Ray Shero.

          Garth Snow was a player on Long Island.

          Peter De Boer doesn’t have one with Lou Lamioriello.

          Paul Holmgren coached the Whalers and had intimate knowledge of Peter Laviolette when he hired him. Holmgren was also a former Flyer.

          Glen Sather played for the Rangers and had worked extensively with Jim Schoenfeld who is John Tortorella’s best friend. Hired.

          Kevin Dineen played for Jacques Martin in Ottawa when Rick Dudley was there. Dudley has followed Dale Tallon around like a tail over the last decade.

          No Yzerman/Boucher connection.

          Dale Hunter had a bit of a relationship with the Capitals organization prior to taking their team on.

          Bob Murray and Bruce Boudreau played together in Chicago.

          No Lombardi/Sutter connection.

          Going over the teams. There’s maybe seven or eight where there isn’t a strong connection between coach and general manager.

          This isn’t a six degrees of separation. These are personal relationships.

  29. HabinBurlington says:

    Shero says he plans to sign all three Centres, Crosby Staal this summer and then Malkin.

    http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/penguins/to-do-list-for-penguins-shero-long-all-decisions-pending-636091/

    • TomNickle says:

      Sounds like a guy ready to make a trade to me. The “that’s the plan” and “I hope to retain all three” is Shero putting on the best face possible.

      Ignoring for a moment the speculation that Malkin and Crosby can’t co-exist on that roster. What about Staal? I don’t feel he’ll become a first line centreman in the NHL but he sure won’t have the chance as long as he’s lacin’em up for the Penguins. If he wants that chance, he won’t be signing a contract extension.

    • shiram says:

      I’m thinking this is the last year of the Big 3 Centers for the Penguins, with UFA status looming for all 3, at least one is gonna move.

    • Bripro says:

      That’s all posturing to keep the troops happy, but I don’t see him being able to sign all three, and unless he uses the new cap, and then rolls them all back….good luck with that!

      What? You couldn’t get an early tee time?
      My turn. Off to play my first game of the year. Wish me luck!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        All 3 of you thought the same thing as me when I read that article. Have to wonder also if a guy like Staal has seen Crosby concussed, Letang concussed and Fleury play net like he is concucssed and said to his agent, I don’t mind getting out of here and going somewhere else to try and win another CUp.

        Would he by chance want to go to Carolina and play with brother Eric?

  30. TomNickle says:

    Bergevin’s acquisitions for the hockey operations department will likely be tied to close relationships and working trust.

    For that reason some hirings are highly unlikely and some are more favourable.

    Michel Therrien – Unlikely. Bergevin appears to be tight with Mario Lemieux. Ya know, the guy who fired Therrien mid-season because the players didn’t respect him.

    Bob Hartley – Unlikely. Don Waddell hired Rick Dudley(Bergevin’s buddy and soon to be AGM) in Atlanta. Don Waddell fired Bob Hartley six games into a season.

    Denis Savard – Likely. Dale Tallon(Bergevin’s mentor) had to fire Denis Savard from the head coaching job in Chicago but he was kept on as an ambassador/scout/advisor for the team.

    Stephane Waite – Likely. Goaltending coach for Joel Quenneville in Chicago from Sherbrooke.

  31. Kage says:

    I know there has been a small push from some in the H I/O community for the habs to use at least one of their second round picks on Mike Matheson (home boy from Pointe-Claire), even it means having to move up into a late first round spot. Count me in !!!

    Here’s a decent article on young Mike from the USHL website:
    Mike Matheson

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    “I need players who hate to lose!”

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Stormin’ has been touting the young man for about three months.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He’s ranked 30th among North American skaters. Counting in European skaters and goalies, it can mean that he’s ranked somewhere around #40 overall or thereabouts, so there’s a good chance he’d be available when it’s time to pick our first second-rounder.

      http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/l_fr/draftprospectbrowse.htm?cat=1

      Personally, nothing wrong with drafting a local kid who plays defence, has size, can skate like heck and has a good head on his shoulders and comes from a solid family of athletes and high achievers. Stomin’ sold me.

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  32. Gumper Knows Best says:

    Is there anybody on the HabsPlanet that doesn’t know we were fleeced in the Gomez McDonagh deal? Anyone? Is this new for anyone?

    OK. So can we put it in the wooden box with ton weights and give it a sea burial? It’s done. Boring Dead. Forgetaboutit. Look forward.

  33. HabinBurlington says:

    I wonder if Burke will make a big splash this summer giving Semin a long term contract?

  34. JoeC says:

    Took over 2 years but i think the Price>Halak arguments might stop now that we have then McDonagh > Gomez one!

    The day of a Habs fan is not complete unless another useless argument about the past is brought up.

  35. Say Ash says:

    David Fischer, huge goal for the ‘Blades last night. 12 pts in 12 playoff games. He’s coming around.
    KELLY CUP FINALS: Blades draw even with 7-2 victory in Game 2
    Suck it, Giroux!

  36. ths says:

    That’s OK. I heard Gomez is already training really hard for a bounce back season.

    Ooh Aah Habs on the golf course

  37. TomNickle says:

    I take pride in being a fan of the Montreal Canadiens organization and I believe that this team needs an excellent coach. Right now the focus for hiring a new coach should be on how well they develop young talent and not necessarily their in-game management abilities.

    Secondary to that point, I’ve always had a beef with my fellow Habs fans who believe that this team is more entitled to a great coach than any other organization is. We as Habs fans no more deserve a great coach than Phoenix, Toronto, Florida or Edmonton.

    I think it would be wise to hire Denis Savard and surround him with Sylvain Lefebvre from Colorado and Larry Robinson from New Jersey. And in addition, why not hire Jacques Lemaire as an advisor to the Coach? Not to provide guidance on x’s and o’s but to serve as a mentor for situations that are beyond the scope of what a young coach has had to deal with in their short careers.

    So,

    Jacques Lemaire – Coach’s advisor
    Denis Savard – Head Coach
    Larry Robinson – Associate Coach
    Sylvain Lefebvre – Associate Coach.

    • shiram says:

      Both Robinson and Lemaire have said they are not interested in a job with the Habs. IIRC.

      • TomNickle says:

        In a job at all or the head coaching job itself?

        I’ve read and heard that Robinson denied expressing interest in re-joining the Canadiens immediately and haven’t heard anything about or from Lemaire this off-season.

        If neither of them have any interest in coming to Montreal in any capacity I would look to similar people. More of a concept than a head hunting.

        • shiram says:

          It was not easy to find, I thought I might have imagined it, but it’s here. http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/339992.html

          It’s funny because it also has the false rumours about Robinson.

          Par ailleurs, en entrevue à Sports30, Jacques Lemaire a lui aussi été questionné sur un possible retour dans l’organisation du Canadien. Maintenant conseiller chez les Devils, il s’est dit très heureux dans son emploi actuel.

          «C’est difficile de regarder ailleurs. Je suis bien où je suis présentement. Lou Lamoriello a été très bon pour moi et ma famille. Les choses sont bonnes pour moi et je crois que je vais rester ici», a-t-il indiqué.

          • TomNickle says:

            I was referring to Lemaire Shiram. Sorry.

          • shiram says:

            Yeah, I know, the piece I linked has a small blurb about Lemaire saying he likes it where he is and wants to stay there, I even copied the text, although it’s in french.

          • TomNickle says:

            I can’t remember the last time a coach or executive said they were unhappy where they were for what it’s worth.

          • shiram says:

            Sure but that’s hockey talk for you, where everything can be nuanced, and nothing is absolute! Seeing as this is all we have to go with, I’m fairly confident he does not want to come back here.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            If you read between the lines, Lemaire is clearly not shutting the door on a return to Montreal.

            Robinson is still in the playoffs, which explains his denials. He’s wanted to come back for a long time.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • ed lopaz says:

        I heard a radio interview with Robinson’s agent a few months ago in which he stated that Robinson would be interested in the assistant coaching position as long as he liked the head coach.

        • Bripro says:

          His agent was talking to Marinaro last week saying that they haven’t heard a thing from the organization yet. Who knows if GM wants to go in Big Bird’s direction.

          • otter649 says:

            The reason Robinson’s agent has not heard anything is that Robinson’s team is in the playoffs & under contract until June 30 and will need permission to talk – Anything else is tampering until after July 01…….

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yah, and yesterday Robinson ripped the guy a new one for saying that, said it was from a conversation 5 years ago and that he consider this person a friend and wondered why he took it to the media.

          I am speculating as Tom says, he is denying now because he is employed and his team is in the playoffs. Come the offseason could be whole new kettle of fish.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I kind of wonder if Robinson put out the denial just to get focus off him leaving while his team is in playoffs.

    • nickster13 says:

      The problem with guys like Denis Savard and co. though is that they are simply former players, they are not formally trained coaches. Id rather a guy who has done his time as a head coach for a few years in reputable places, rather than some former players or temporary coaches of bad teams.
      Sure Larry Robinson is good, and Lemaire can work. But the other 2 I will disagree with.
      Id rather see Crawford as head coach for his experience and pedigree, with Robinson as his assistant for the cool head/wisdom and defence, and then find a new assistant coach who speaks french and can run the power play. This will cover all our bases and will satisfy the media and fan base alike.

      “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Almost 10 years as an NHL Asst. Coach, almost 3 seasons as NHL Head coach, that is a fair amount of coaching.

      • 123456 says:

        if i can run with what you stated – a great coach a great player does not make. how many NHL coaches are there? how many are great? now how many former NHL players are among the great coaches… so the math – it’s very likely a former player will not be a great coach (or even an adequate coach). see gretzky/phoenix.

        habs mgmt needs first to decide the type of coach they desire and then go get the guy they want.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Jacques Lemaire?

          Edit: Goes the other way too. I know a guy that was a real crappy player who became a crappier coach and was crappiest as GM. Mike Milbury is his name. ;-)

        • TomNickle says:

          Joel Quenneville, Dan Byslma, Mike Babcock, Claude Julien.

          There’s your last four Stanley Cup winning coaches. All played at least provincial junior a hockey.

      • TomNickle says:

        Denis Savard coached the Chicago Blackhawks for two full seasons and ten full seasons as an assistant coach.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Lefebvre just signed for 2 years with Colorado. I doubt he’ll be coming here.
      Savard has done very little to impress me. I’d rather see:
      HC – Patrick Roy
      AC – Guy Carbonneau
      AC – Larry Robinson

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • TomNickle says:

        The contract extension says he’s happy but there’s nothing stopping assistant coaches from changing locations. Happens every season on a pretty large scale.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          True. I’m just saying I personally don’t think it’ll happen.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • mrhabby says:

      thought you were tipping your hat towards crawford yesterday.

    • mdp2011 says:

      No for Denis Savard as Head Coach. I already saw the Denis Savard to Montreal movie once and didn’t like it, I don’t want to see the sequal.

  38. mark_ID says:

    Haha, this McDonagh talk is hilarious. Hindsight is always 20/20 of course.

    So for all those constantly complaining about the trade….would you give up Max Pac and Gorges, to have McDonagh back??

    Just a hypathetical. Cause we fleeced San Jose on that one. Sh*t happens, let’s move on. Cause I mean, if Gainey was “smart” enough to not make the trade in hindsight…..maybe the San Jose GM at the time would have been also……..just saying

    I will take Max and Gorges……ten times out of ten

    “I think I may have found a way to get us Bonds and Griffey, and we really wouldn’t give up that much” – Costanza

    • habfan01 says:

      If you’re smart enough to fleece a GM on a trade, you should be smart enough not to be fleeced on a trade. I don’t begrudge Gainey for wanting to bring Gomez over, but I do begrudge him for what he gave up to get him.

  39. nickster13 says:

    So Semin is gonna be a UFA. If he could be had for 5 million, would you do it? Id pick him up, the Habs could use a guy with a set of hands like his to balance out the power guys. Maybe he could be a frustration, but his hands are magical..

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • shiram says:

      I was thinking he could be some sort of sleeper in this free agent period, but I’m starting to think he might not be such a great pickup.
      Coming off 2 54 points season, I’d think a 5 million cap hit might be ok, but he would likely look for term, and that’s where he would not fit in.
      Also he does not seem to have the caracter the Habs need.
      And the jokes about his name are already old…

      • 123456 says:

        agree with you and Tom5 – IMO semin is a guy you add (for a year or at the trade deadline) when you are ready to go all in for the cup.

      • Bripro says:

        I believe, given his cap hit, that teams needing to increase theirs, such as the Islanders, will offer more than logic dictates. I don’t see the Hab’s picking him up. If he was lights out like Parise, then I would hope Bergevin would push hard. But watching him under perform for such long stretches, I see another sluffer deal.

    • TomNickle says:

      Depends on the circumstances. He wants a long term deal according to his agent and I wouldn’t go in that direction. It’s assumed you’re getting him to play him with Plekanec and if you’re building toward the future signing a mercurial winger with dedication problems to a lucrative long term contract is asking for trouble.

    • RGM says:

      Nope. Not even for $3M.

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  40. Max_a_million says:

    What about Dave Tippett? To me he seems like an incredible coach. He must not be making a lot in Phoenix. Does he know any French,? or can we teach him some?

    This would be the kind of guy to go after I think.

    Any opinions? Am I wrong in this?

    • ed lopaz says:

      there is no indication that he knows French – and every reason why Tippet would want to stay in Phoenix now that the team is finally being sold.

      • Max_a_million says:

        I know we could pay him a lot more, and I bet we could buy him an Iphone app that would translate for him no???

        • ed lopaz says:

          I may be wrong but I think the Habs will choose to give Roy the job, and an input into how the team is run.

          I think that’s why getting Dudley is so important.

          Because Dudley will give Bergevin some breathing room in the meetings with Roy.

          Considering Dudley’s overall experience, Roy will respect him and is less likely to stir the pot every time he doesn’t get his way.

          I also think that the Habs will choose Roy after the draft on June 24th.

          Because Roy believes in Grigorenko and the Habs will be choosing someone else.

          All this is total speculation on my part.

          And I am not supportive of Roy as a choice, either, although I will get behind him 100% if he is hired.

          I am concerned about the chemistry between Roy and Price.

          But Roy is the Francophone fans and media darling by such a wide margin that he will be in this right down to the final buzzer.

          • TomNickle says:

            Your concern about Roy/Price now that Bergevin has been hired is the only one I have as well Ed.

            Roy’s temper could lead to a standoff between the two as a result of one poor game from Price. And personally, I’d rather not have our franchise player fighting.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            How about looking at the positives a goalie can get out of being coached by the greatest (or one of) goalie of all time?

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • TomNickle says:

      Well Phoenix won’t be letting him go anytime soon. And I don’t believe he speaks any French, he’s from out West I believe.

      Your standards for our next coach are through the roof. We aren’t going to be able to talk to Detroit, Phoenix, Chicago and Vancouver about Babcock, Tippet, Quenneville or Vigneault.

      We’ll have to find a short term veteran coach like Jodoin, get one of the qualified candidates who’ve been fired a couple of times like Crawford, Hartley or Therrien or go with somebody with little NHL experience like Savard, Vincent, Gallant or Lefebvre. The coach won’t be one of those names necessarily but he will come from one of the three groups I mentioned.

  41. shiram says:

    I’m glad to read that even with all the controversy and annoyances the Habs experienced last season, players are still interested in staying in MTL.
    Emelin brings a much needed element to our D, hopefully they can find him a partner in crime so he is not the only one that can be physical.

  42. JF says:

    Bergevin shouldn’t be in any rush to hire a coach, since the new coach really has no role to play in the draft. Right now we’re hearing names like Crawford, Therrien, Carbonneau, and Hartley. These are the obvious candidates, since they are bilingual coaches who are available. But I hope and expect that the selection process for coach will be just as exhaustive as it was for GM, with upwards of twenty candidates being interviewed in the initial stage before the list was shortened. Perhaps other names will surface in the next few weeks – current AHL coaches (Clément Jodoin and any others who speak French), a few from the Q, including Gérard Gallant if he speaks French. I certainly don’t think Bergevin will simply interview the obvious candidates and stop there.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Unfortunately, Gerard Gallant does not speak French. He’s from PEI, his family roots are French but he’s unlingual.

      ———————————
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      • Lafleurguy says:

        Always good to spot your logo from the left coast even at 6:43 am. Good morning!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I’m turning into my father. I used to be able to sleep in ’till noon any day. Now I can’t make it to 07:00 hr, especially nowadays, with the sun coming up earlier.

          ———————————
          In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. There must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

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    • nunacanadien says:

      I disagree, this rule by committee has got us nothing but a GM and a Coach who are at a loss to explain why we would sign a Gomez for instance or draft what we have so far. No, the GM, the coach need to be on the same page from day one. Unfortunately the rule by committee under Geoff Molson forgets to share the notes to their hired puppets. It’s like buying a Formula One race car using parts from others, you can’t do it Geoff Molson, other teams have tried, look at the Rangers and their dire rule by committee mess, you get some coach who only prefers the first gear all the time ala Jacques Martin, while all he has is the top gear. It is time in Montreal that the GM and the Coach talk the the same talk cause they made the decision, not some committee of rich people who don’t know squat about hockey but are more concerned about profit.

  43. Bripro says:

    Completely unrelated…
    We montrealers (and whoever else listens to TSN990) will have the privilege of listening to Ted Bird come Friday morning as he joins their cast and leaves Kahnawake radio.
    Good for him. He’s funny, astute and knows his sports. Morning radio just got a whole lot better again.

  44. SmartDog says:

    From TSN: “Ryan McDonagh and Dan Girardi have formed one of the NHL’s best defensive pairs.”

    McDonagh is a bigger, tougher Josh Gorges. Painful to watch how much we lost in this kid for less than nothing.

    And in other news, Gainey has gone on to a job where he’s supposed to be evaluating talent. Bwahahahahahaha!!!
    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Had no idea Mcdonagh was once a Hab, when did we make this trade, and why am I hearing about this now?

    • ed lopaz says:

      Mcdonagh is much more than a bigger, tougher Josh Gorges.

      Mcdonagh at the end of a shift, immediately after leading the rush into the Devils zone, turned and out-skated everyone on the ice, and caught Parise from behind on a clear break away.

      Not only did he catch Parise, who is known to be a great skater in his own right, he caught him so completely that he was able to bodycheck him off the puck without even coming close to taking a penalty.

      it was a remarkable display of speed and power.

      Not too many players in the league could have made a play like that.

      maybe Shea Weber.

      • The Cat says:

        It was exactly that catchup of Parise that made me post about McDonagh for the first time 2 days ago.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • SmartDog says:

          They say that New York LOVED Mcgonagh in the combine. It was his physical abilities combined with strong hockey smarts that made them want to draft him – but Timmins took him first. And the rest… from a New York perspective is glorious history.

          ————————————-
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    • Habsrule1 says:

      FFS give it a rest!
      Are we going to talk about McDonagh for the next 20 years?!?
      He’s a good defenseman on another team. It was a bad trade. We get it!
      Gainey made mistakes. OMFG he’s human. Whoda thunk it?
      Next topic please.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • Max says:

        Exactly…..I’m tired of hearing about McDonut. Move on folks.

      • The Dude says:

        Yanni Niinaamaa ans Scott Gomez are not your average mistakes,sheesh!

        • commandant says:

          Lets talk about how he got Kovalev for Balej and Bruce Graham
          or
          how he got Gorges and Max Pac for Rivet.

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          • nunacanadien says:

            How do we know Gainey got those and not some hired hitman for the Committee that Rules Hockey in Montreal? Get the story straight, a bunch of rich people who own the habs are not about to let the GM make a decision. As long as this bunch of greedy businessmen continue to distrust hired hockey help like Gainey, and now Bergevin, we will always have the Scott Gomez type signings. It is time in Montreal that the GM actually made a decision instead of being an actor. We don’t have pro hockey management in Montreal. Might as well hire some famous actor to play GM, and another actor to play Coach…..that is what hockey has become in Montreal. An investment that comes second after rock concerts.

      • SmartDog says:

        “Those who fail to remember history are doomed to repeat it.”

        And a stitch in time, saves nine.

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • The Cat says:

        People still talk that there once was an executive in the recording business that said “No” to a music contract for the Beatles…Theres mistakes, then theres huge blunders, and for those blunders you cant shove them aside, cause at the end of the day, its your job to evaluate talent.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • SmartDog says:

          Yah but when 99% of the hockey world says WTF to a trade you make… just go and retire. Don’t stick around to mess things up worse.

          And anyone that turned the Beatles down was either green or stupid.

          ————————————-
          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Unreal. Your comments are getting more & more ridiculous. As much as you hate to admit it, as bad as that trade was, Gainey improved this team quite a bit. I’m shocked I have to tell you this, but go look at point totals and playoffs made and missed in the years before Gainey got here.
            Gainey saw that no UFA’s were signing here. He believed getting one of the premier passers in the league over the previous decade might help….and it did.
            He gave up too much, but if Gomez had gotten the 50 assists he had been capable of, especially with Gionta, we would not be talking about McDonagh now.
            Not to mention, McDonagh may or may not be a star in the league. All signs point to yes, but let’s see him in 5 years before we call this the worst trade in history.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    Salary Cap and Floor expected to rise again. Can this possibly make Gomez contract attractive to a small market team looking to make cap floor?
    http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/spector/comments/big_market_nhl_teams_to_max_out_this_summer/

    • Bripro says:

      I see trouble brewing Gerry. Buttman wants everything to transact under the current CBA. Come September, he’s going to tell Donald Fehr, the man responsible for the only strike year in baseball (and ultimately the end of the Expos world series chance…and by extension, the team) that they’re going to roll back salaries.
      I can already see the devil laughing at the ice trucks melting as they arrive.

    • commandant says:

      It will rise in July but could be rolled back in September when the new CBA is signed.

      I think this summer will have less activity than most until teams see the new CBA.

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  46. HabinBurlington says:

    Nice to read Emelin wants to stay in Montreal. Another item on the Bergevin to do list.

    • The Cat says:

      Im less sold than I used to be on Emelin. His play after the Malone spazz fit reminds me of Komisarek after his run in with Lucic. So Id give him a short contract if I was Bergevin.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • HardHabits says:

        Emelin’s play tapered off after he got hit in the back with a puck. Adding some more size and grit to the line-up will keep Emelin insulated from psycho’s like Malone.

      • neumann103 says:

        I don’t know about that. He was also being pushed back to the right side around that time. Some D men can play the wrong side with aplomb but every time I noticed Emelin taking a step backwards it was when he was playing on the Right side.

        He obviously does not feel comfortable, and he gets tentative as though he knows that going for that big hit he may not be able to recover position.

        People like to crap on Weber, Diaz and even Subban but having the luxury of not having to play guys on their off side is a good thing.

        “Et le but!”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Very good point regarding his being forced to play the right side. As I recall he was also responsible to babysit Kaberle. Would be nice to add a Stud Dman (Allen, Jackman, do they play that side?) who is natural to play Right Side and babysit Kaberle untill we trade him.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            But Jackman took out our hero Jaro!

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • commandant says:

            It was frustrating to me that he WASN’T put with Kaberle. I think he’d be the perfect partner for Kaberle.

            Instead we kept Kaberle and Campoli together which serves no purpose. Two soft, puck moving, offense first, defensive liabilities together, and Campoli playing on his wrong side too. That was really stupid coaching.

            Emelin played mostly with Diaz (where he was on the left). Diaz got hurt about the same time Markov came back and at that point it became Markov – Emelin with Emelin shifting from left to right.

            I think Emelin can play on the right, he just needs more experience there. If you remember he wasn’t very good in October (on the left) when he was adjusting to North American ice but once he got his angles correct he started to be a big hitter. We’ll see the same effect on the right with more games IMO.

            I’d sign a 20 minute per game, big tough D and have him play in the top 4. It doesn’t matter what side he plays, because Gorges can play both, so you either put the UFA beside Subban, and Gorges beside Markov, or vice versa.

            Have Emelin as a third pairing guy with Kaberle and let him learn. Don’t rush him into a top 4 spot, because with tons of D we see sophomore slumps happen. If he avoids it, great, just means more depth on D which is important if someone gets hurt.

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          • boing007 says:

            Big Jackman took out little Halak, little David Desharnais took out Big Carey Price. Interesting.

            Richard R
            Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

        • The Cat says:

          First off I appreciate your use of the word ‘aplomb’. Secondly, Emelin had the fear of God in his eyes when Malone was spazzing out, so itll make him tentative for sure in the future.

          [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I agree. Emelin is the kind of defenceman that every team needs.

      It was an excellent move to convince him to come over and he has earned his spot in the top 4 with Markov, Subban, and Gorges.

      I also saw some offence in his game, he likes to join the rush and he likes to play the power play.

      he was expected to contribute in the KHL offensively on a regular basis.

      This aspect of his game was underutilized last season.

      It is very important for the new coach to talk to Emelin – maybe through an interpreter – and learn first hand about Emelin and how he sees himself playing hockey – how Emelin defines himself as a hockey player.

      the coach will hear about Emelin’s offensive side, the sense of confidence and accomplishment that Emelin gets from contributing offensively.

      like Eller, Emelin’s role needs to be better defined.

      Once it is, Emelin (like Eller) will develop better and faster at the Pro level.

      Pro development means understanding your players, their skills, the way THEY see themselves contributing.

      (Pacioretty is such a smart young man that he actually volunteered that information to the media because Habs management was not capable of seeing it or acting on it)

      By using this information the team can “fit” the player’s skills more appropriately to the team’s “needs”.

    • Marc10 says:

      One of the few bright lights this year. Yemmy the Fatty turned into a nice addition on the blue line. He destroyed the odd guy, didn’t get suspended…. what’s not to like?

      I was expecting Dennis Gauthier light. In the end, he’s not half as dirty, but just as effective. He’s a keeper as a depth D man. And with Kabs, Markov, Diaz, Weber and Gorges back there… do we ever need someone like Yemmy the Tank to restore balance and order to the galaxy.

  47. HabFanSince72 says:

    Don’t care who wins he cup at this point but a benefit of LA winning it would be that it would really piss off the Flyers.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • Cal says:

      Every win for LA makes Holmgren look like a genius, yes?

    • neumann103 says:

      Yes, the Devils/Kings finals is the best possible piss off the Flyers outcome.

      Maybe it is just a feature of my age bracket and the fact that the Broad Street Bullies were the nemesis of my formative years but the kind of hate many of you feel for the Bruins, I reserve for the Flyers.

      So, given the Habs absence from the Playoffs, my checklist would be:

      1. Flyers must lose Check!
      2. Bruins must lose Check!
      3. Bettmanian welfare case in the desert when there was a cash offer on the table to move them to a real hockey market 3 years ago must lose Looking good!

      “Et le but!”

  48. 24 Cups says:

    The Pens must still be smarting over how things have gone in this year’s playoffs.

    Peaked too early, underestimated the Flyers and witnessed the dark side of Marc-Andre Fleury.

    A possible rollback to 50% revenue sharing is going to make for some tough decisions in Penguin land.

  49. 24 Cups says:

    I hope Marc Bergevin is taking note of Dwight King (07/109) and Jordan Nolan (09/186). Both have solid size and can play a regular shift. Late round picks that were nurtured and developed to the point where they are adding a real physical presence to the this year’s playoffs. The bonus is they didn’t cost the team any assets or cap space (combined income of just 1.2M!)

    LA also has three good kids in the pipeline – forward Tyler Toffoli and Dmen Derek Forbort and Jake Muzzin. Not to mention the valuable trade option of Jonathan Bernier.

    This is basically a North American based team who only has one player over the age of 35. Not to mention a fresh coach who has the players buying into his mindset. Penner and Stoll are UFAs this summer but that’s about it. Cutting Penner loose should solve any cap problems.

  50. PrimeTime says:

    Would the Canadian media be talking Sequin from Toronto if BOS was playing instead of NYR? It’s all news cycles. Hab fans just get pissy when negative stories reflect their fragile psychies. People credit Holgrem for making risky player decisions. Look how that work out….Richards and Carter key components right now in LA…..and don’t come back with Cloutorier because they have a worse contract in Bryz that Habs have with Gomez.

  51. HabinBurlington says:

    So, no Semin in Washington next season?

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=396041

  52. PrimeTime says:

    @Lafleurguy – Dude had to leave to change a flat on his house.

  53. Lafleurguy says:

    Amazing run by the Kings so far. Holmgren and the rest of Philly must be gnashing their teeth watching their ex’s perform in L.A. All three of L.A., N.J., and Phoenix are role models for how to be competitive after a previous dismal season. Unfortunate for Mike Smith’s attempt to imitate 2010 Halak is the fact the Desert Dogs can’t score rendering good goaltending moot. The Kings have an all-star in Anze Kopitar and his 76 points, but otherwise, the Habs have more scoring. Easily forgotten is the weak start L.A. had leading to the replacement of Terry Murray (Brian Murray’s brother) by a grizzled looking Darryl Sutter. Dustin Penner had Scott Gomez type productivity and was ridiculed for neck spasms arising during a pancake breakfast (as if the spasms wouildn’t have happened if he had bacon and eggs instead). A defencemen more highly-regarded than P.K. Subban, Jack Johnson was traded away to try to add scoring in the play of Jeff Carter. The Kings presently are a team better than the sum of its parts. Having Jonathan Quick in net and Drew Doughty on D doesn’t hurt either. Still can’t believe they swept the Blues. Long forgotten is how they dominated the President’s Trophy winning Canucks.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      They outdrafted clever Trevor in 05 didn’t they?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      In fairness the L.A. mgmt and others have talked for a number of years about Jack Johnson’s defensive lapses. His offensive skillset has always been marvelled, but his own zone play is less than spectacular.

      Many in L.A. were happy when he was traded.

      • neumann103 says:

        Gerald,

        Agreed. I think that Johnson and Doughty combined amounted to a high end young D corps that maybe glossed over things.

        Doughty is one of the few young D men that I would actually say is better than PK Subban. I would go through the mental exercise of “Would you trade him even up for PK Subban?”

        Doughty = Yes

        Just about every other young D man including Johnson who isn’t really that young anymore = No way

        “Et le but!”

  54. Max says:

    McDonagh wasn’t given away,but traded as part of a multi player deal. Of course, it was an atrocious trade and probably the worst of Gainey’s GM tenure anywhere, but what’s done is done.

    No sense beating a dead horse and it’s time to move on from it. McDonagh was never a hab and it’s not even worth mentioning that trade anymore.

    Nothing’s going to change the past.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      While I agree with your sentiment, I think this horse will get flogged for a long time. It may be Price/Halak 2.0. The people responsible for the trade are no longer involved with the team, but people here will continue to harp on this.

      • RGM says:

        I think that the page will only be turned on the deal when Gomez is no longer a Montreal Canadien. It’s our ongoing nightmare and the one lingering boil from the previous regime that needs to be lanced.

        ———————–
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        • 24 Cups says:

          I’m still pissed over the Samsonov signing!!!

          Old grudges die hard on HI/O.

          • HardHabits says:

            I was pissed when Bowman wasn’t made GM and never really accepted that Gainey was voted captain over Robinson. I was also very disappointed to see Langway traded.

          • 24 Cups says:

            After not making the playoffs in their first eight seasons in the league, the Capitals competed in the postseason in every one of the 11 years that Langway was with the team. I think he might have won a few Norris trophies, as well.

            Rick Green was serviceable but nothing special. Ryan Walter was a solid forward but we also gave up Doug Jarvis and Brian Engblom in the deal. In the end, the Habs got beat on the deal.

        • boing007 says:

          People will keep flogging it even after Gomez departs. At least for a few months. Guaranteed.

          Richard R
          Price is an oyster. Unfortunately not all oysters produce pearls.

      • Max says:

        Yeah,you’re probably right! :(

    • neumann103 says:

      Yes, but…

      To me this is different. I can look at other trades and say “Could they have got more for Halak, Cammy etc?” and it is really arguing around the margins. I mean for Halak they got essentially what they would have got from signing him and then losing him to an Offer Sheet, except they got specific players a couple of years developed. Nit pick away.

      My argument with the Gomez trade was that he had an unmovable contract. The Habs should have given up nothing to take on that contract. Okay maybe you have to throw in a player or two just to balance rosters and tossing in the rights to Higgins and a depth guy like Janik (who actually was good enough to play around 10 games a season for the Red Wings over the last couple of years) makes sense but throwing in any prospect of any kind let alone a 20 year old 1st round pick is insane.

      Anyone accepting Gomez’s contract ought to have been in the position of at least sending back a less bad but still undesirable contract (say maybe Georges Laraque, to place things in historical context) not giving up additional high end assets.

      It is the worst deal the Habs have made since trading Roy, and equally stupid not in a “that did not work out” sense but in a “How could this even be contemplated as an exchange? sense.

      At the time I was in the “I would take Saku Koivu even up over Scott Gomez, let alone the fact that he made half as much money” camp, so I was not going to be happy with any Gomez deal, but a deal in which the Habs took on that albatross, did not shed any unwanted baggage and gave up McDOnagh…

      Epically nuts!

      “Et le but!”

  55. PrimeTime says:

    Confidence is the 7th player on the ice and LA has it right now!

  56. HabsFansince49 says:

    I have not seen a full hockey game in the quarter and semi-finals. I wonder what the ratings are among Canadians. In recent years, even when the Habs were out of it, I was mildly interested in some teams (e.g. Pittsburgh), but not this year. And to make matters worse, all I hear about in the eastern playoffs is the exciting play of Ryan McDonagh, the great D-man we gave away.


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