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Pat Hickey writes: “Canadiens fans shouldn’t lose any sleep over defenceman Josh Gorges’s decision to take the team to arbitration over his salary for the coming season.”
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Some of you might be singing a different song about Gomez, when you see him on St. Cathrine St. holding the cup in the parade next spring! I agree that he had a poor year for what ever reason, but this guy is no floater like Kovalev. He works and is respected in the room big time.
He is also no spring chicken either, but he can skate and he knows how to play this game with the best of them.
Be it chemistry or just the difference of Martins coaching. Yes something was out of sink.
This year will be different for him and all of us. We will have our parade soon, and he will be a big part of it. Put last year behind and have some fun as we climb to the top.!!
I dont really see how we can guarantee he will have a different year next year. Usually the rule of thumb in hockey is that things stay status quo or only get worse with age, so i wouldnt make big assumptions like that…
And that something that was out of synch is all still there, almost the same players and still the same coaching (minus Kirk). So lets paint this picture with a realistic brush, i just hope Gomez isnt a minus player and gets at least 50 points and we make the playoffs.
He rarely shot, Ian, making his wingers easier to defend.
He rarely went to the net, again making his line easier to defend.
Back-checking was pro forma most nights.
He made some offensive flurries, but they generally petered out around the circles. Certainly he is a skilled skater and passer, but frankly, he just doesn’t seem to care.
Can he fix himself? I hope he wants to. He’s not that old and he’s not injured. Look at Recchi and Selanne. It’s possible. J’espair.
can he “fix” himself??
there should be a NO BREEDING clause in his contract
I just had a terrible thought that 30 years from now, I will be explaining to my grandchildren why the Habs should NOT draft young Seth Gomez.
“ya, (they will protest), but his father was such a skilled skater that won 2 Stanley Cups for the Devils!!”
I hope to G-d that Scott can “fix himself”, for the sake of future generations of Habs fans.
Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.
Ed I was trying to be gracious out of respect for Ian. Not easy. Not for me
I am optimistic about Yemelin and Cole, though. And I’m pretending in my spare mind that we never had Markov and just got him. Isn’t that exciting? Gotta go, almost time for my meds.
Hope you’re right, Ian, that we’ll be singing a different song about Gomez. And wouldn’t you know it, it’s another Johnny Horton tune (the guy sure knew his hockey):
I came in a trade just two years ago
The Habs hadn’t won the Cup in 10 years and mo’
I pulled on the sweater, the fans fell in a swoon
They knew they’d be paradin’ in the month of June
The first year was iffy and soon it was clear
We didn’t have the muscle the other teams would fear
But we won twice in the playoffs before our luck ran cold
– And knew that we’d get better like the glory teams of old
Well, the season just past didn’t turn out so sweet
Lappy got traded and Poulie couldn’t stay on his feet
Me, I played lousy and vowed to change that tune
Well, here we are, in April, back against the Bruins
With Patches in the lineup along with Markov’s mug
We did our dance on the Kodiak rug
We took the Bruins, and then the Leafs, followed by the Canes
And won the Cup in Montreal, the place just went insane
I was as helpful as I could be
Set a playoff record, tallied 23
So all you fans who doubted me here’s one thing to know
When it’s springtime in Alaska, I’ll be counting my dough
When it’s springtime in Alaska, he’ll be counting his dough
I have to admit, I do like Gomez and I think he is going to have a nice season. I am predicting 15/55 for a 70 point seaon with a healthy MaxPac and Gionta beside him. I will not defend his salary; I believe he should be in the Cammy / Gionta bracket.
To have this kind of season he can not always be the perimeter guy; 10 awesome rushes (well, they start that way) a night that end up along the wall as he attempts to cross the other team’s blueline. Teams line up across the blueline when he picks the puck up in our end and that forces him to the outside – he needs to be less predictable by trying to go to the net which should play right into MacPac’s game. That should also allow Gionta to get open more if Gomez starts trying different options in the other teams zone. He has great wheels, puck carrying skills, and passing ability but teams watch video and if you try the same thing every time it is easy to defend against.
Are you kidding me? That’s beyond delusional! The guy was disappointed with himself and this means he’s gonna have a 70 pt bounce back season? Talk is cheap, but this guys glory days are in the past
“but this guy is no floater like Kovalev”
League Rank: 845th
The Habs need more speed and skill!
Did you account get hacked or something?
Post of the day. And that’s saying something.
HI/O needs more professional trollers 😉
Now this kid has the right idea. Casting for pike with a daredevil lure. No better way to spend a hot summer day.
I hope he has fun sifting through all those bones for a few flakes of meat.
pyatt joins the Lightning, carbo might join the devils…
Carbo is staying on as president of his junior team in the Q
Missing link to our Cup woes.
interesting tid bit incase you forgot, we traded craig rivet for pachiortti and josh georges.
well first round pick who eneded up being max with josh georges a undrafted throw in
and people thought Bob Gainey made a bad move by trading Rivet. In the end, Bob was such a great GM for us.
At the time, Rivet was being groomed at the next captain. Ironically he was made captain of the Sabres in his first season in Buffalo. And he was a solid defenseman until injuries piled up.
But yeah, in hindsight it was a good deal. Too bad these types of deals few and far between.
Too few and very very far between.
rivet was named captain and was benched – it was not injuries but rather talent. he was good but the game passed him by quickly.
Dude. Get a spell checker. Then after that get a clue.
HH. Angels can’t spell. They only want to wear my red shoes.
As for Cammy signing here because of Gomez, I’m pretty sure I read somewhere that Cammy wanted to play in Toronto, and even had a meeting with his agent and Burke in Toronto to tell Burke he wanted to play there. Burke reportedly didn’t sign Cammy because he was too small.
Look guys, nobody believes that Mr. Cammalleri signed here just because of Gomez, and it wasn’t presented as such.
What Mr. Gainey stated, and what Mr. Gionta and Cammalleri assented was correct, is that his making the trade prior to July 1st sent a strong message about what the Canadiens were trying to do and where they were headed. Nothing more, nothing less.
Of course Mr. Cammalleri also weighed the monetary value of the contract Mr. Gainey offered, and the prestige of the Canadiens organization, against other offers he may have received. No one expects that he came here blindly without listening to any offers, and further that he did so solely to play with Mr. Gomez.
If the Beirut Maple Coyotes had traded for Mr. Gomez, no other free agents would have followed him there. But in Montreal, there were enough positives that it helped us attract Mr. Gionta and Cammalleri. And this attitude has carried over so that now Mr. Cole, partially based on his conversation with Mr. Gionta, has agreed to come here as well.
Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill
Can we keep this post and just cut and paste it in whenever we get another debate about this topic?
good post un canadien
The Beirut Maple Coyotes will finish ahead of the Leafs. You read it here first.
Not truculent enough.
Wow … That’s not the story Cammy told to Doug McLean on Hockey Central?
Cammy has stated that he didn’t want to live in Toronto year round, which is why the negotiations didn’t go far.
So i was over at capgeek looking for Cole’s contract info.
6million the first year, and 4 afterwards. No big deal.
Signing bonus of 3 million this year, and 2 million next year, how’s that work with the cap??
its the avergage salery over the length of the contract tht makes his cap hit, so he has a 4 miilion dollar cap hit. He will always have that cap hit ( the average per year of the contract).
Cole’s cap hit is $4.5M per
Hmm someone mentioned how Detroit has Bertuzzi, he isnt gonna fight you, he will cheap shot you and break your neck, literally…
NP, our two big power forwards have both come back from broken necks.
i dont think we can let them break their necks anymore. habs arent cats ya know
If it’s true that trading for Gomez was responsible for getting Gionta and Cammalleri to sign with Montreal, then why isn’t that an important element in all trades and acquisitions the Habs make? Who’s gonna sign with the team now that’s Cole here? Budaj’s buddies — will they start showing up anytime soon on our doorstep?
There was talk on one of the threads about Crosby becoming a Hab when he’s a free agent. Okay, but I think Gauthier should think twice. I mean, we have to ask ourselves, who else will Crosby bring to the table? Will they be good as Gionta and Cammalleri? Or will we be stuck with a Gomez who scores, sets up goals, delivers hits, backchecks and leads by example — and nobody else?
Just one more thing to consider.
Edit: Amazing, I just post this item and look what I see below …
Head’s still spinning from the nuna comment a few hours ago now you want me to consider this? Stop it JB. The pain, the pain!
sign him…and they will come
I think we all agreed to use the “Cammy came here cuz of Gomie” argument cuz A) Cammy SAID it, first of all, B) it helped to justify the already maligned 8mil/yr contract acquisition, and C) it serves as an excellent example that players do INDEED “want to come here” and all they need is incentive.
But…it would be ostrich-head-in-the-sand foolish of us to think the 6mil and 5mil a year contracts had nothing to do with it.
Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.
I just hope that when that time comes that he is not damaged goods the same way Vinny L is…
I think the 6 million dollars a year had the most to do with it.
When Crosby signs with The Habs in 2013, I wonder what the ramifications to US hockey would be…….
Will never happen. Crosby is a classy loyal guy who will retire a pen. Mario lets him live with him and is his mentor. you think that Sid is going to turn around and say well I liked the habs as a kid so I want to play there? I think not. Look at Gretzky, always talk of him going to Toronto. Never happened.
He is the Pens and they won’t let him leave. They will match any offer and lets face it their franchise depends on it.
People said that about LeBron a few years ago too. IMO I think Crosby would get bored in Pitts and would need a new challenge. You only live once.
First of all nobody said that about Lebron and with Lebron there was no analagous Mario-Sid relationship.
It was said that LeBron was a ‘classy, loyal guy’ as well. Before last year.
Lebron is a Jerk. Self proclaimed star
Just saw Troy Brouwer signed leaving Washington right at the limit of the cap. They still have RFA Alzner and UFA Hannan unsigned.
I always liked Scott Hannan (a lot more than O’brien who everyone is suggesting) and maybe we could get him cheap. He is still young for a defenseman (32) and manages to play an hard nosed game every season without missing too many games. Problems are he is a little slow and doesn’t really fight.
Alzner has a ton of potential but I can’t see Washington trading him. So if they wanna sign him they will have to move some bodies out, like Erskine or Wideman.
I would much rather see any of these guys in the lineup over Spacek, unfortunately I don’t see how its possible to move him.
Remember they preferred an overpriced Hamrlik to Hannan.
True. But Hamrlik was basically a top 2 defenseman for the Habs whereas Hannan will be a number 6-7.
Maybe we can take Halpern off their hands so they can clear up some cap space.
Check out this freakin IDIOT!! He’s on a tear down here in Halifax… I hope I don’t see him out acting like this. My buddies saw him at the bar on Friday, the dumbass couldn’t figure out his debit card..lol
Go through the archive pictures… Douche bag. Can’t wait til Subes smokes him again next year!
he gets shit kicked everytime he goes home, its pretty funny.
“I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.
Is it just me, or is anyone else on the lookout for a Brad Marchand flameout anytime soon, Derek Sanderson-Theo Fleury style?
Every time I see that runt of the litter, he’s got the badass backwards hat and gold chains and his shirt off. Add to it the poor impulse control, and we have a recipe for an aborted career coming soon.
Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill
I agree. I’ll also go so far to say that he’s gonna be a marked man in the NHL the rest of his career. Teams are gonna be taking runs at him for years to come. Did you see in the playoffs against Van I think, he got into a scrum with a player and whipped off his gloves when the other player was tied up and started throwing punches, the refs were right there and broke them up, then he skated by the other teams bench doing the wiping the hands gesture. It’s stuff like that and punching the others teams stars in the face that are gonna get him in big trouble.
So who’s giving odds on when we’ll see our first “Alex Henry should be our 6th defenceman! ‘Cause he’s tough!!” post?
I’m saying before July 15th.
He is too slow unfortunately. Looks good in the AHL though.
Oh for sure he’s too slow – won’t stop our NAG-heads from extolling his supposed virtues from on high though 😀
I’d much rather have a bruiser who can play hockey who we can insert into the lineup against the bigger teams than a Tommy Pyatt.
Did you not like having Mara in the lineup?
M’eh. He’s alright…except when he’s atrocious (like he was the first time he played in Montreal).
Jarred Tinordi will be ready in a couple of years…
Not exactly an all star in the AHL.
Hes Captain of the Dogs and I would like to seem him called up, for all the mentoring he has done over the last few season, good job ALex Henry.
That would be when H-P makes his triumphant return.
You know. Veteran youth. N.A.G. The referee syndicate.
The man’s an effin’ visionary.
Damn if he doesn’t have the greatest avatar though!
(Actually, I should amend my prediction – the calls for Henry to make the big team will happen somewhere around the 3rd preseason game when he doesn’t look completely out of place playing at 3/4 speed against other AHLers. Don’t get me wrong, it seems like Henry is a great Captain for the Bulldogs – but an NHL regular he ain’t)
Too bad he can’t skate like the wind or make beautiful outlet passes like MAB or the Breezer or rather too bad MAB and the Breeze weren’t both 6’6″ and 230 pounds.
The calls will happen after any game where a Habs player gets injured, if in that game there had been a few fights prior to the injury where the Habs come up on the losing end of those scrums.
In the game there will be a major and a game misconduct handed out to the opposing player who injured the Habs player. However no game suspensions will ensue as it will be considered a hockey play.
Then there will be a few posts from H-P about bringing up Conboy and Henry and honour or dignity or pride or some other word, maybe country, god and apple pie will be included in the next rant.
There you have it. I am going to go play 6/49 now as I am obviously on a roll.
I know G. Molson was waiting on official league sanctioned approval, but do we know if the glass will be changed this off season at the phone booth? Will be very happy to see us have that flexibility back in the boards again.
Heard Darren Dreger and others mention that it has been changed in all 6 of the arenas that didnt have it.
This issue has been resolved yet it keeps cropping up.
In March, as part of a five point plan to reduce concussions and injuries in general, the NHL mandated that seamless glass has to be removed from the six arenas that still use it, including the new Forum.
Google is a great tool. Let’s use it people.
Yep …. Google never lies.
Use Google, and don’t turn off your brain issie, and you’ll be fine.
Google doesn’t lie, it’s the sources it refers to that may be biased or erroneous. More Googling helps establish this.
I wasn’t being facetious, I love Google … use it all the time for reference.
Gotcha, thought you were being cynical. My apologies.
18 out of 82 games against tough, physical teams that like the after the whistle stuff. Teams that have injured/bloodied several of our players.
4 games against Philly. A team that has pushed us around for years now.
I’m not even including playoffs.
If PG doesn’t see a need to buff up this team, then we will continue to be rag-dolled for the duration of his tenure here.
Didn’t some players ask for more muscle last year?
Whey? When we have Moen. And Gill. And now Cole. And ooooodddllees of skill to run circles around every other freakin’ team.
I don’t get it. We’re perfect. Why say we’re not?
Moen doesn’t fight anymore. He fought like what? once or twice last season. Moen is above fighting now, he’s JM’s little do-goody-boy.
Gill can’t fight and he got his head kicked in more than win a fight.
Maybe we’re not watching the same game but I know I’m watching RDS.
I think he was being sarcastic…
Favorite Son has it right. I was being sarcastic.
Our team is not wimpy. But we need someone besides a top-6 player who can dive in against any player when needed.
Cole and Yemelin are a start. No?
Yemelin and Wiz are a wash. So he added Cole. That simply is not good enough.
Yemelin and Wiz are a wash, physically?
What about the 3″ and 10-15lbs? And the fact that he’s apparently “nasty”?
I’m just happy that our ‘enforcer’ doesn’t have to also be our PP specialist. Cause you ain’t so special serving 5 for fighting.
Have you seen Wiz play? He plays a lot bigger than he is and can drop the gloves. Yemelin is physical, but not the same type of player as Wiz…hence…they’re a wash.
And if your answer to our size/grit issue is a 25 year old rookie….then you have a problem.
Obviously you haven’t seen Yemelin play.
You would know from problems.
@davelecave. Have you seen Yemelin play in the NHL? Have you seen him fight?
From what I have read about Yemelin … is one of the psycho guys Bugs is calling for.
Yemelin and Wiz are a wash? Both have grit, sure, but Yemelin has size; he has three inches and twenty pounds on Wisniewski, while playing a completely different game. Both men play with an edge, but Yemelin projects to be a much more physical defenseman.
In terms of the truculence they add to the team, Yemelin brings much more to the Canadiens than Wisniewski, and AY74 may strike a little fear into our opponents, reminding them to keep their heads up. Doing that was never a part of Wisniewski’s game.
Yemelin looks to be a much more difficult player to line up against, both in the neutral zone and in our end; he’ll likely be much harder to play against than Wisniewski.
edit- I’ve got to start posting these things faster, before someone else makes all my arguments for me.
Yemelin is an unknown. On the smaller rink forecheckers will get on him faster. That said, from the clips I’ve seen he looks impressive, and with mentoring from Markov he may turn out great. Also he’s not 18, he’s been playing pro, so his learning curve may be reasonable.
Thus the jury is out on whether we made a mistake or not letting Wiz walk. Me personally I would have kept him at least until March, but we may be ok. There’s no way you can argue definitively either way until at least Christmas.
Cole will add the size and grit to ‘forecheck’ aggressively and courageously but we need someone to add the nastiness to make people like Chara think twice about bringing their brawn and people like Marchand to basically just shut to hell up…. while not losing a Cole type to penalties.
yemelin .. hopefully will be NASTY LITE while our NASTY GRAVE takes care of business.
Seriously though you want a NILAN TYPE.. knows to play a bit and makes them pay a lot
2 out of those 3 teams are bottom feeders who have had no success in recent memory
The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given
Seem to play pretty well against us.
Remind me who won the season series of each team
Have you not watched Hab/Leaf games over the last few years?
The Leafs do. But Habs dominated the Sens last season.
I think it was Moen…because he was tired of being criticized for not fighting.
Here is what I don’t get. MTL is posed to be the most knowledgeable hockey market there is right? so – FACT – toughness, physicality and fighting are part of the NHL game. FACT – up until last year – Habs have always had at least 1 player who could be defined as an enforcer. FACT – 95% of NHL teams still have a player like that. So – what I don’t get – is how on earth do PG and JM not see the glaring hole in our team….how do they not see the toll it took on our players last year? I just don’t freakin get it and I’m gonna be so pissed if we go into this season without addressing it.
and don’t tell me about Detroit – they have Franzen and Holmstrom and Bertuzzi etc – hardly the same as our skilled guys who are all undersized – that argument – which was apparently made by JM has no merit.
The fans have drank the JM&PG koolaid.
I do love watching Hab fans clown other teams for signing bruisers on the 4th line. Although those teams may not be skilled, I can tell you they won’t allow a lot of the bullsh*t that happens to the Habs.
If I was a Vancouver fan I’d be disgusted. They’re a more skilled version of the Habs IMO…but they too are soft and their softness is what cost them the cup.
You need to have a well rounded team to compete in this league. You can’t have a bunch of undersized or soft skilled forwards and expect to make it through 4 series to the cup. You NEED the bangers out there.
We’re known league wide as being soft. Wake UP!
“If I was a Vancouver fan I’d be disgusted. They’re a more skilled version of the Habs IMO…but they too are soft and their softness is what cost them the cup.”
Running into a goalie who had the single greatest statistical season in the modern era probably had a little something to do with it…
Did you not watch the games? The Bruins intimidated the hell out of the Canucks. They were in their head ever since the 1st game in Boston and it was over… The Bruins had no respect for the top players and the Canucks had no answer for that. Watching Sedin get owned several times by a frigging rookie with 0 retaliation from anyone on that team told me all I needed to know about them.
Clearly we watched a different series. Boston *tried* to intimidate them, but Vancouver matched them hit for hit. Do I need to remind you of the role that Torres played?
Luongo turned into a sieve (in Boston) and Thomas was amazing. That was the difference.
But if you want to continue to paint a different story to fit your narrative, go right on ahead.
You watched a different series.
Exactly re Vancouver. You think HABS FANS would have gotten the message much less PG.
People just imagine if Lapierre or Bieska were real big and real mean and didnt mind spitting blood while spilling some. I wa sso impressed by Bieska but felt so dejected for him. I am a huge fan of Lapierre’s skills and pestiness but hate his cowardice at getting his purty face scarred.
Ugly picture but you gotta kick a junkyard dog just once and they learn.
I think the lack of physicality issue with the Habs has been there awhile now. We win some of those games and we lose some.
They did go 7 games (with 3 OT) against the Big Bad Bruins.
Habs do not have a “nasty ” factor. I hope Yemy will add some of that and Mara is worth keeping for his edge. Maxpac,Cole, AK are fairly big boys but they don’t drop em that much.White can throw ’em pretty good but he’s a middle weight. Moen does ok.
We need a talented nasty boy to center the 4th line.
Bottom line I think we don;t have to worry much about those 18 games.We’ll be 50/50 if not better.
It’ll be fun to keep an eye on them.
“I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein
Ottawa has done nothing to make themselves a significantly better team than last year. The addition of Konopka will not change that; without a willing dance partner, he’s useless, as he doesn’t even throw that many hits. Other teams will be able to dispatch them as easily as last year.
We have consistently beaten Boston over the years, last playoffs not withstanding. The arguments as to their being able to physically dominate us stem in large part from the “beat-down in Beantown” episode, and ignore the fact that physicality and size have not been major determining factors in the majority of the other contests between our teams. Our injuries, the Bruins’ defensive system and their Goaltending were the deciding factors in our playoff losses.
Philadelphia has beaten us soundly over the past few years due to the simple fact that they have a better team than we do. They are bigger, yes, but also more skilled. The team has better offensive depth. This is not likely to change, nor would it if we added the best large, “skilled” fourth-line players availible.
Adding an enforcer (which is what you seem to want us to do, rather than, over the long term, changing the overall makeup of the team that we field) would not protect any of our small, star players. That enforcer would be glued to the bench when the Plekanec, Cammalleri, Kostitsyn line is on the ice, and would be useless. Each line needs to be able to protect itself in scrums. This is one reason why Pacioretty on the Gomez line helps, just as having Cole on the Plekanec line does. Those two power forwards have the size to, in part, make up for the deficiencies of their line-mates.
Our issues of “size and grit” are legitimate, and should not be ignored, but they will not place us at a disadvantage against a terrible team (Ottawa), only against better teams, who have players with size grit and skill. We cannot solve our problems by adding one fairly terrible, unskilled player (like Konopka). Our best players would still be vulnerable, not due to a lack of protection by a goon like Konopka on the bench, but due to their own physical limitations and the limitations of their actual linemates. Rather, we must change the mentality of our team. The additions this season (Cole and Yemelin) show that we may be doing just that. Cole is not the best player who fits the “size, grit and skill” mold, but he was the best player available at the moment.
It is a long, unpleasant road, but we seem to have started down the right path. With further drafts and signings, we may field a team that has size liberally spread throughout the lineup, with both skilled and role players alike being able to take and deal physical punishment, while defending the smaller player on their respective lines. That is the kind of team that we have the greatest chance of winning with, but there are no shortcuts to getting there.
Very good post. I agree with you that the attitude of the organization towards size seems to be changing. Most of the players we’ve drafted in the past couple of years are big, and the changes made this summer should mean our lineup is a bit bigger next year. But it’s a long process without many shortcuts. As you say, adding a player who can throw his weight around but has little skill is not going to change anything. All the same, if PG can find a way to add another forward with both skill and grit, he should do it.
going over our lines and I am trying to identify what was the last REALLY GOOD TRADE the Habs have made??
Getting Gorges and the pick which became Max Pac for Craig Rivet and a 5th rounder in 2008?
Is that the best trade the Habs have made in the last 3 years?
I think it might be.
That would have to be it.
After that all I can think of are bad ones – except for the Halak trade and Wiz. But most of the time we seem to either throw away a high draft pick for a short-term guy, or we give away players that seem to work out well for the team that took them.
A good Habs trade is one where they don’t get fleeced. Getting rid of Theodore’s contract wasn’t bad and the Huet trade with LA wasn’t bad either.
was on cap geek and the rangers still have 15 mill open. How is that possible.
They do have a couple guys headed to Arbitration but still that is a ton of cap space
But the have 16 players signed.
The Richards contract is front loaded,in the next year he will receive $20 million
Brian Burke was raving about it this afternoon…he said “We (The Leafs) lost out on Brad Richards because I will never structure a contract like that,I don’t believe in it … it is just a way to circumvent the salary cap”
No kidding Burke. LOL
I’m too lasy to check back on the “older comments”, but I hate that there are new posts I’m not seeing.
I must be missing on some key information in there.
Not that I’m a huge Pyatt fan, but the Gomez trade keeps getting better and better.
The Gomez trade is essentially McDonagh for Gomez. Not a good trade because of Gomez’s cap hit, but at the time, we were in dire need of centre who was capable of playing on the 1st line. Obviously, Gomez will have to produce a lot more to make the trade somewhat respectable, but I don’t feel that McDonagh is going to be much better than a Josh Gorges with a little better size. He doesn’t seem to have much offensive upside and he isn’t overly physical.
Actually, one could argue it was McDonaugh and Gaborik for Gomez.
If you’re going to argue that, then you may as well call it Gomez, Cammilleri and Gionta for McDonagh and Gaborik. If Gomez doesn’t get traded here the other two wouldn’t have been here either.
You can’t honestly believe that?
That’s garbage. There was about 2 teams with enough money to spend that year that were attractive destinations for free agents – and Cammy didn’t want to play in Toronto. Scott Gomez has never been an ‘elite’ center in this league, and if anything his contract prevents us from signing one. This whole argument that Scott Gomez helped Gainey “lure” players to Montreal is a complete fantasy. Money and a chance to win brought them.
“Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
– Robert Anton Wilson
I must have missed the period when Gaborik was Habs property.
I understand that clearing Gomez’s cap space allowed the Rangers to sign Gaborik, but what does that have to do with the Habs? If the Habs wanted an overrated, soft, injury-prone goal-scoring winger, they wouldn’t have traded for Gomez. They wanted a centre, because they didn’t have one.
It could be argued that the Rangers have only filled the hole left by Gomez this past July 2 by signing Richards. We would all rather have Richards over Gomez, but at the time the trade was made, not much was available, so Gainey pulled the trigger.
Again, it’s not a good trade right now, but if we don’t make that trade, we have no idea what would have been.
As bad as his production has been for his rediculously high salary, trading for gomez was supposedly the only reason we were able to attract Cammelleri and Gionta in the first place.
That was the theory originally. However, both were offered so much money there was no way either one would refuse.
I always imagine “what if” we kept Koivu and McDonagh at half the salary of Gomez.
BG helped to stabilize the franchise, but some moves have to be questioned. I think Gomez was a panic move. Rightly or wrongly, he had decided that we needed to move on from the Koivu era, and he couldn’t land Lecavalier.
Which by those 2 player’s own admission, has been proven wrong a hundred times.
The narrative doesn’t even make sense, why would Cammalleri want to play with Scott Gomez, the guy is a joke, in his last year as a Ranger he had 8 more assists than Koivu in 13 more games, and he wasn’t being shuffled on lines with Chris Higgins, SK74, a broken Tanguay, or a clearly not ready Pacioretty.
Cammy doesn’t even play with him now, nor would he want to. Gomez is not, nor has EVER been our #1 centre. If Gainey was dumping that many UFA’s, he had infinite options and a dump truck full of money to doll out. Yet he goes out and gets one of the top 5 worst contracts in the NHL.
I think most posters get the message. Don’t overpay for Gorges he’s a 3rd line D-man because some other team overpays for a 3rd line D-man we don’t have to follow. you’re forgetting about a contract on the Habs right now that’s holding the team back do we want some more…..
ohhhhhhh, now I get it.
Thanks for that.
I thought the Weber contract was okay, I will review the numbers again.
He might be a 3rd pairing D-man, but he is one of the best 3rd pairing D-man in the league. Don’t forget Price and Gorges are best friends, say Gorges gets traded, Price’s contract would be up next year and he would be 1-2 years away from being a UFA, with the way some “fans” treated him, and since best friend longer on the team he might want to see what the market offers.
What is this? Do they play for the NHL or 1st grade gym class? “I wanna be on Joshy’s team!!”
Come on, man.
People don’t seem to understand Gorges’ worth. He’s probably going to get around 3.5M per year and be worth every penny.
Before he went down to injury this year he led MTL in hits, blocked shots, PK time and QoC. He was 9th in the league of defenceman for QoC in fact. Of the elite shutdown dmen around the league I’m pretty sure he’s the youngest, making what he does that much more impressive.
I would never package Gorges in a trade, nor complain about any salary he gets. I just hope it’s at least 5 years in lenght.
Edit: Gorges is top 4, not top 6. Most likely he’ll play first pairing with Markov this year.
If I recall properly the last time he was paired with markov it didn’t go so well.
Finally someone not looking at goals and assists. I feel the same way.
“That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952
I would like to see one more bigger grittier type player added to the roster eventually UFA, Trade, Surprise from Hamilton.
That said, to all those concerned PG has not addressed this needs to realize what we have added this off-season.
Eric Cole – 6’2″ Power Forward, plays fast loves to throw hits will go in corners.
Max Pacioretty – (he only played 37 games last year) – 6’1″ Power Forward who has added 15-20 lbs already and feels faster.
Alexei Emelin – 6’2″ Dman who loves to hit, enjoys a physical game.
Markov – His skill alone will help us against the other teams physical forecheck.
Gorges – Guy has been playing on a bad ACL for years now. He will be much improved this year.
That will be a significant upgrade to our physicality over last year.
To add, if you look at the bottom 6, everyone is over 6′ and almost or above 200 lbs expect for DD. And We got a PWF on both top 2 line.
Yes, it really will be a much different looking team.
I love how Max says he has added 10 pounds of muscle, but now we’re going to give him credit for 15-20.
Come on we are in the world of embellishment here. Actually I honestly couldn’t remember how much he said he gained, but i remembered being impressed. Was it really only 10, well heck he has had a couple more pints since he said it, so lets work it up a little bit more. He may be drinking that Hoegaarden beer also, that wheat beer is a little more filling you know.
Hey, I’m a big fan and I look for positives too. I’m on the bandwagon and helping others on.
I just remember that sports medicine experts used to say that the most muscle a superbly conditioned athlete could add in one year was about 5 pounds, excluding of course adolescents and steroid users. So when I hear football players say they gained 20 pounds by hitting the gym, I’m a little skeptical of the accuracy of the figure, of whether it’s pure muscle, or whether the gain occurred due to diligent work in the gym.
Max is hitting the gym hard and seeing results, I love it, and he might still not be quite done filling out, but let’s keep the expectations realistic. He won’t be Donald Brashear’s size at camp (now there was a large individual).
Personally, I love the make-up of our team right now. As always with the habs, there’s a lot of “ifs” (ie. if markov stays healthy, if gomez picks up his play, if Carey continues to be Carey, if some of the young players continue improving, etc…). However, every team in the league has “if’s”. On paper, right now, the habs challenge boston for northeast division, and maybe finish top-5 in the conference. Maybe I have my goggles on, but this is the best I’ve felt about this team at this point in the summer in years.
I feel the same way! My only concern is if Pacioretty backslides this season. We kinda need him to be a big part of our top 2 lines.
I’m very very excited to see what Yemelin can bring, and if Eller has improved, and what White can do with a regular shift, and will Desharnais continue to amaze with his tenacity, and what having a full year with Subban and Markov and Gorges and Weber (who I’m picking as my sleeper star of the year) will do for our D.
This year is gonna be great!
(now back to your regularly scheduled Doom & Gloom Hour)
In signing Eric Cole, Gauthier addressed our most glaring weakness from last year – inability to score at even strength other than off the rush. His addition, as well as that of Emelin, also adds a bit more muscle; and the return of Markov and Gorges should improve our defence, although I think Hamrlik will be missed more than people like to imagine. But Gauthier still needs to do something about faceoffs. Our inferiority to the Bruins in the faceoff circle was one of the reasons we lost the series.
However, even if someone is added who excels on the draw, these changes may not be enough to improve the team significantly in relation to the other teams around us, most of which have also improved. Washington, the Rangers, Buffalo, and Toronto will all be better. I worry that the Habs will still be scrapping for one of the last couple of playoff spots, and that other teams will still be able to push us around. So, yes, more muscle, and some extra insurance on defence so we don’t end up having to sacrifice yet another draft pick halfway through the season. I think Paul Mara would be good in this role.
Better team all around, although so are all the other teams in the NE.
Your afternoon smile (2):
“We made a very substantial offer to Brad Richards,” Burke said Wednesday at the Leafs prospect camp. “What we offered I don’t think is material. We lost out on the Brad Richards sweepstakes for two reasons — one, we didn’t offer as much money as other teams and more importantly we didn’t structure the contract like other teams did.
“These deals that are front-end loaded and have small amounts on the back end in my opinion are designed to circumvent the salary cap. I won’t do them, I never have, I’m not going to.”
Yeah right. You lost out because you wouldn’t front-load the contract, not because you offered him a lot less money to play for a team that’s going nowhere.
You mean the thought of having the privilege to play for Burke alone wasn’t enough of an incentive to sign with the leafs?
I love your new icon picture GenY
Thanks, decided to stop being lazy and activate my gravatar account finally.
now I’m just waiting for Tom Nickle to get one.
something about the right profile picture, it gives you more of an identity on the board.
Makes it easier to associate a poster to his posts as well, it helps my memory.
I was obsessed with Ken Dryden as a kid. My parents liked him as well because they could point to him and say to me, “See you can work hard at school and work hard at hockey at the same time”. Had a hard time arguing with that.
“No, I see. The monkey’s out of the bottle now!”
I am still looking for the right one. I had this picture on one of my school notebooks of Guy Lafleur leaning against a big oak tree wearing a cheesy 70’s leisure suit. If i could ever find that picture on internet that will be my gravatar immediately.
Can someone tell me how to add a picture to my account? Please?
The three important elements of hockey are: forecheck, backcheck and paycheck.
Frozengolf you have to register an account with gravatar and use the same information you used to sign up for this site.
Amusingly, this man seems to be able to resemble the story the ” emperors new clothes” only difference is that every body in Leafs nation and the press follow blindly along pretending to not see, he’s just a blow hard. Don’t get it he’s naked to me!
Just goes to prove that can fool all the people all of the time…
He has the media here in GTA completely scared of him. The only writer who will take him on at all is Simmons from the Toronto Sun. Damien Cox has completely stopped criticizing any GM moves by the Leafs, instead he focuses on Ron Wilson only. Seems to me alot of them are scared Burke will embarrass them with one of his infamous rants at a media scrum.
Toronto offered more money than New York, but refused to front load or guarantee it during a lockout. And the simple fact that before the season ended it was known Richards didn’t want to play there.
The Habs are a #1 centre and a bone crushing stay at home career plus defence man away from being a contender.
Since they are not available at the moment we’re stuck with Gomez and Gorges.
I feel much more stuckier with Spacek than Gorges.
Gotta agree with OBB here.
True. I should have said stuck with Gomez and Spacek.
True about lots of teams, no?
Gomez is not, nor has he ever been our #1 centre, on any level, even remotely.
What’s the section 300 seats like @ the Bell Center?? I have never been to a game there, and I’m looking into tickets.
Great view, not too many yahoos.
I have always had the most fun at Habs games in the 400’s. But that’s just me.
sound slike it’s coming from someone who can’t afford 300’s… i’m just kidding!!!!! i have only been to one (1) game at the bell centre – i was in the molson family zone with 2 kids – i had a blast!!!!! i would not hesitate to get any seat in the house!!! 400’s are very far away but it’s still a great time!!!
Last game I whent to see at the Bell Center was vs the Bruins when Chara decided to go all hitman on Pacioretty. It was a Blast the people were wild in the 400s.. well, untill the end of the second period of course. Then it was near dead silent.
300s or the white’s/grey’s are good seats. You’re up pretty high, but you get a good view of the ice. especially if you can get seats closer to centre ice. Blues (400s) are fine too, but you’re definitely way up there and i, personaly, don’t like feeling like i’m at the back of a party with nobody further away than me. The BEST seats in the house, IMO, are the reds at around row L-N. Those are pricey, but if you are going to go to just ONE game, it might be a worthwhile investment to splurge and watch the Habs from the best seats in the house. Perfect balance of being close enough to see every little detail, but not so close that you can’t see the play. Again, centre ice is obviously where it’s at. The WORST deal in the house is anywhere between 2-5 rows from the glass along the sideboards. Spent my money on those seats once and promised “never again” obstructed views when the puck is along the boards….just frustrating.
One other tip…if you can get in the greys row A, it’s a steal, becasue it’s basically the same as being in the White’s only for much cheaper. hope that helps.
The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!
Oh so I was wrong then, my seats were in the whites so must have been 300s not 400s.
Here’s a question:
If Muller leaves the Habs to take a coaching job in the AHL….do you think MTL ever offered him the job as the coach of the Bulldogs?
That’s been debated ad nauseam. The concensus and only answer necessary is there wasn’t a job opening in Hamilton, Mr. Cunneyworth is doing a fine job there, based on his results this year.
Good luck to Mr. Muller.
You don’t want us go through that again? Only took about 18 threads over a period of a week I thought to settle that whole matter.
They apparently offered it to him last year when they were looking for a coach in Hamilton, and he declined.
I guess he figured another year with the Habs would give him better chances of getting a head coaching job this summer.
Anyone else find it annoying about the amount of Habs players going to TB?
Makes sense as Boucher knows the players having been with the team but common TB, throw us a bone back!
If anyone’s interested, Pyatt’s deal with Tampa is a 2-way contract.
– Honestly yours
Based on their cap situation and if they have to go max on Stamkos, Pyatt will be in the bigs all year in Tbay.
He might be in the bigs all year regardless. I don’t recall TB being that great on the PK or defense in general.
Tampa Bay signs Tom Pyatt.
Seriously Pierre, sign Stamkos to an offer sheet.
That would be a big middle finger to Yzerman
And a funny one.
I’m glad that someone has taken the time to let some of the crazier fans know that the Gorges arbitration is expected and not worrisome. Considering that some people thought he would sign somewhere north of 2.75M, it’s a no brainer that he’s take his qualifying offer to the arbitrator.
I can bet dollars to doughnuts (or donuts) that it will never get as far as arbitration.
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The Devil’s blogger is saying Carbo could be next Devils Coach.
Lots of bowling alleys in New Jersey.
Lou sure loves his former habs coaches eh? It makes complete sense that he would hire Carbo.
Bet he wishes there was a franchise in Milwaukee.
“Wanting is often more pleasurable than having.It is not logical but it is often true.” – Spock
So Carbo would be chosen over Muller?
More head coaching experience, I would think would be the reason.
Edit: Plus they just did the former player head coach thing with John Maclean, that didn’t work out very well.
I’m not going to tease right now Burly and remind you that Carbo played a few years in the league.
LOL, I know what you meant though
Thanks for taking it easy on me, i was thinking as i typed that it would come across that I didn’t recall him being a player. Oh well.
1. We are SCREWED in the Face-off circle right now and we don’t have a lot of punch in our bottom six either.
2. PG seems to be playing a waiting game while all the decent bottom-six and aging veterans are taken.
WTF? Having four strong lines and all your roles filled is key to winning games. This was not a strength last year and if anything with the departure of Pouliot and Halpern we are WEAKER this year.
Seroiusly, WTF PG? What the F are you waiting for?
You are speculating, for all we know PG is working 24 hours 7 days a week trying to make deals work…
I think you’re forgetting something that is very important with regard to faceoff success. Players capable of winning puck battles.
Plekanec often has Cammalleri and Kostitsyn. Kostitsyn may be strong but he doesn’t have the quickest feet. Cammalleri is the opposite, very quick but not the strongest fellow.
Gomez has often had Gionta and Darche or Moen. Same argument. These guys aren’t the quickest or strongest. Depending on the player.
So much of winning faceoffs depends on the wingers you have with you. Pacioretty and Cole add the combination of strength and quickness that will improve the faceoff percentages of Plekanec and Gomez. I’m not saying it will be a substantial improvement. But it will help.
SmartDog, maybe you should change your handle to ChickenLittle. The sky is not falling.
The Canadiens won’t become Cup contenders by fiddling with their bottom six or by adding a right-handed faceoff specialist. There is lots of spare parts available as UFA’s and they can be added anytime before training camp. If I have a vote, I urge Mr. Gauthier to reserve these spots on our roster for our young players instead of other teams’ castoffs.
Max Pac, DD, White, Darche, Eller, and Moen…
If you were able to look at it with no bias, you would see
One player with 129 hits…
One with 85 hits and can get 25+ points this season and had 85 hits..
One who couldve had 50 points this season and 150 hits….
One who had 70 hits in 27 games….
One who had 22 points in 43 games and
One who had 73 hits and 26 points in 59 games…
Maybe your thinking MaxPac is a top 2 line player… Then who goes down? AK???
One with 45 points and 140 hits…
To be honest, we have alot of punch on our bottom 2… Our problem is getting the points from our top 2 lines…
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
Your afternoon smile.
Eklund (I know, I know) says the Leafs are working on a trade for Stamkos. They will be offering “Schenn, Kadri, plus …”
I wonder if the “plus” is compromising photographs of Steve Yzerman consorting with farm animals.
He’s been saying this since the draft. He can’t come up with anything original. It’s pretty pathetic.
The only thing that bothers me about the guy, other than non-stop speculation and treating it as fact, is that he trolls Bob McKenzie and Darren Dreger’s twitter accounts. They will post a news item on Twitter, he will post it as his own a couple of minutes later, and then shortly after that will edit his post and say that Bob McKenzie or Darren Dreger are confirming HIS reports.
LOL, Maybe Dudley’s got the photos that is why they added him to the Front office.
Toronto would have to include Reimer, Schenn, Khadri (whom i think is way overrated), 2 1sts at a minimum.
LMAO @ “I wonder if the “plus” is compromising photographs of Steve Yzerman consorting with farm animals.”
That’s what it would take, because I don’t see any combination of players, prospects or picks, in the Leafs system, that would make it an acceptable trade from TB’s point of view.
Does anybody know what happened to Angelo Esposito? Winnipeg has his rights but it looks like his production fell off a cliff once he hit the AHL. There was an injury right?
Is he done completely or what? Anybody who follows minor hockey know?
He’s been in the AHL for the last two seasons. And has been horrible since his injury.
I wonder if his knees are shot?
2 serious knee injuries (on the same knee).
Poor kid. Used to be one of the best in the game. Volcano of talent.
How about signing Kyle Wellwood for our 4th line?
hes always been a solid player
im really hoping the habs sign o’brien. he would be a perfect fit in montreal
Okay, you are joking right? The only thing that has always been solid on Wellwood is his desire to eat and avoid watching TV.
No thanks. I like the idea of O’brien, but no way in heck for Wellwood.
There are some other recreational habits that he’s into. Or was as little as three years ago.
Yes. He apparently collects salt and pepper shakers in the shape of cows.
Yep. That’s the habit I’m referring to.
Nice work sticking with the Farm Animal theme, +1.!
I once dated a woman whose sister collected cow-shaped salt and pepper shakers. It made buying gifts very easy.
I always suspected that she got a cow shaped set once, and said she liked it, and then just kept receiving them and was too polite to say anything.
My father in law once mentioned he liked fruitcake. Now he gets that every Christmas. Poor guy.
So when do we see the A&E Hoarders special on her with Salt & Pepper shakers everywhere!
From Canucksarmy.com’s report on a meeting with fans in July 2009:
“The biggest highlight of the event came when discussing the process of arbitration. Barry McDonald, the evening’s moderator, asked Gillis if a relationship with a player can become fractured if he loses an arbitration hearing. Gillis replied (and I’m paraphrasing) “The only thing fractured in a meeting with Kyle would be if we brought a scale.”, which resulted in an equal amount of gasps and laughter from the crowd. Gillis was quick to reply to that by saying that Wellwood has a great sense of humour and that he likes him a lot. Kudos to Mike for being ballsy enough to say that in front of your most faithful patrons, but I’m sure he wouldn’t have said that if he thought Wellwood would be offended by that.
Photo evidence of Wellwood during his Leafs tenure. Apparently he’s more dedicated to his conditioning now, but is nowhere near where he should be.
If the habs sign O’Brien, EVERYONE.. yes even you TIMO is invited to my mansion for the first regular season game against Boston. The theme’s gonna be “Save a Horse Beat a Bruin”.
Bring your own Mead!
According to twitter montreal and tampa bay are discussing a trade both teams want to exchange salaries. who might it be?
from tampa i want
Vinny (never gonna happen)
Stamkos(agian never gonna happen)
The habs i want to get rid of are
Gomez(but ill give him 20 games next yr)
My proposal to Tampa would be
AK and Spacek and pick for Malone and Rights to Purcell
what you think?
Is twitter the other morning cohost on Team 990 with Shaun Starr?
The funny thing about this is AK puts up the same number of points as all the 5-6 million dollar players, only makes a little more than half that amount…
If there is a real discussion, is it logical that they are contemplating dumping Vinny’s salary in order to make room for Stamkos’ salary. And if so would you take Vinny?
With Cole on board and Max Pac and P.K AND Price and Eller and Cammy and Gionta and Gill, I am thinking Vinny will add to this team’s chance sfor number 24 a huge lot.
if they want to cut salary, they wouldnt accomplish it by trading 4.5M for malone + lets say 2.5M$ for Purcell = 7M$. AK + Spacek = 7M$ …
So, if it is a salary move, this wont do it.
i would do that deal in a second
i dont think TB would do it though
” According to TWITTER ” !!…. how lame is that.
I’m more interested to hear what “the Internet” has to say on this matter.
If TB does indeed open the bank for Stamkos, it could force them to not accept the arbitration on Teddy Purcell, might be worth preparing an offer to give him right after his hearing.
I’ve been hoping for exactly this. He’d be a real nice fit.
So they got 15Mill in capspace right now with 9 forwards signed. They appear to have their Defence done for this year, but next year Hedman has to get reupped.
They have no longterm solution in net, this team really is handicapped going forward long term if Stamkos gets offered by somebody at max money (12.5 i think?).
They really better hope nobody does that.
don’t you get it–montreal doesn’tgamble so they will never make trades like that–as lkong as gainey is involved forget this kind of trades—we only make mickey mouse trades –who do you think we are boston/flyers
Right, because Gainey didn’t agree to a deal with Tampa Bay that included Plekanec, Subban and Gorges.
With the cap space available and the dearth of anyone of value to spend it on (except for Shane O’Brien), the urgency to relegate Mr. Gomez to Hamilton has passed I think. He’ll probably get a good chance to repair the damage done last season.
Having said that, if he’s not having any more success after 20-30 games or so, despite the training program reported on by CKAC, I think his minutes need to be cut back drastically, and that these be given to Mr. Eller and Mr. Desharnais. If he’s not able to fulfill the role of our #2 centre, let’s use these minutes and invest them in the development or our young players.
Some will argue that it will kill his trade value if we bump him down to third line or worse, but another season like last year and his value will be shot whether we force feed him minutes or not.
Sorry for the non-hockey rant – just skip ahead if you want.
Just to be clear.
Mr Hardhabits – not only am I not a Quebecois nationalist, I was born and raised in London, England, did much of my training there, and am every bit the cultural anglophile (although with a preference for Italy for clothes, and just about anywhere else for food). English is my mother tongue, and I am completely opposed to Quebec independence.
Perhaps you have to have lived in England to know the full horror of the Windsors. They are to a man and woman philistines.
To suggest, as Ted Bird does, that Charles Windsor is a better role model than any hockey player is offensive. During their sham marriage Charles and Diana repeatedly cheated on one another and tried to defame each other anonymously via the tabloids. Charles uses his position to push his crackpot reactionary ideas on elected officials, which by the way he is explicitly forbidden to do. This includes promoting ideas about medicine that could cause real harm to people.
There is not a hockey player, even one who wears the spoked Boston B, who does not safely rise above that code of conduct. And even Scott Gomez does more to earn his millions than any of these scoundrels.
Charles is both dim and a reactionary. His father is a bigot. His great uncle was an unrepentant Nazi, and his grandparents, although more circumspect, weren’t completely sound on the issue . There isn’t anything admirable here. These are people who have servants open their curtains. It’s bad enough to see Brits fawn over these fools, but for Canadians to do it is downright embarrassing.
Which is why two days ago we down here celebrated throwing the bums out.
The tragedy of Quebec “nationalism” is that it was so unnecessary.
It was the corruption of the Duplessis government that opened the door for it, Levesque had sound moral and legal grounds to attack the government, it was his solution that was wrong and it has just devolved into systemic blackmail of the Anglos and keeping the people of Quebec from evolving economically and politically.
I just came back from Alberta. There are French signs everywhere. The rest of Canada is happy to accommodate their partner and cherish it – to a point. But the people of Quebec shouldn’t trust their politicians, and neither should we.
Unfortunately the human is hard-wired for ethnocentrism.
Come to think of it, that’s probably where sports fanaticism comes from.
And sports fans are as capable as anyone of committing grievous injustice: remember we once voted Mike Komisarek to the first all star team. WHAT WERE WE THINKING?
Sadly, nationalism all too often promotes prejudice.
I don’t think that has anything to do with being a Habs fan though.
Really. So you’re saying Habs fans are not prejudiced against the Bruins?
Really dislike them Royal people too, they remind me of people like Snooki and Paris Hilton, people who are famous because they are famous, or born to a famous familly.
Hate that they have monopolized the news for a time now.
Hate the idea of monarchy…
Its not Kim Kardashian’s fault everyone pays a ton to see her every move now is it???? She is just smart enough to make money off it…
The problem isn’t with the Royals… Its with the millions of people who idolize them. The millions who follow them and turn up for a glimpse of them…
Why do they report every hour about Arnold’s affair, CAUSE MOST PEOPLE ARE WATCHING…. Who cares??? Unfortunately their whole target audience…
So if the Royals and Kardashians are the same, when do we get the released sex tape of Kate, or her sister for that matter? Lets just hope it doesn’t include Charles or William. LOL Something about seeing guys that resemble the Grey Cup in a video like that just isn’t working.
True enough I guess, but I still hates them all, all them Kardashian, and their likes.
But you should not just blame the people following them, but also the media that spouts “news” about those people constently.
Gerald Jones did something relatively interesting this morning in West Nowhere Arkansas…. Media didn’t report on that… They only report on what these people want to hear… I say thats good business… But its not the Media’s fault these people go crazy for that type of news… They just feed the need…
but but but….TEH WEDDING
Long live the Queen then huh?!!?
Subban stopped playing when Marchand did the same thing as when Richerds does the same. This is why Betman doesn’t know ehen it started. The same thing happend with Ratelle and Exposito and shoiws you that the owners are only interested in that. You just watch when Gomez-Cole aren’t the reason Jorges signs under arbirtration at the same time. Scotty Bowman would have had the same thing when Lambert tried to be the oen whoe was with that line, that’s why Betmann isn’t listening to the owners and fans.
Great Nuna impression, JD.
JD_ does the best nuna impression.
Okay Big Edit, little slow catching on here today. Brilliant JD! F’n brilliant!
LMAO, rich JD rich
C’mon HFS72. Vivre le Quebec Libre and all that rot.
Dont apologize, it was an excellent rant. Even if someone doesnt agree it was still a good read.
So who are the Caps gonna trade???? About 1.8 million over the cap. They will probably leave King and Beagle in the AHL. So they need a 13th forward. So they need to shed some Cap space. So maybe Eric Ferh???? Big guy, young and can pot 15-20 goals on a good season… Maybe Schultz… BIG guy who can pitch in offensively a bit.
Interesting options over there.
I’m betting on Wideman being the odd man out. They already have 8 NHL Dmen, including Alzner who they still have to re-sign, so I’m sure it will be a Dman.
Wideman’s 4.5mil salary cap hit would give them a fair amount of relief if moved, but is a reasonable salary for what he brings to be attractive to other teams while giving them a decent return in the trade.
Makes sense. I forgot about Alzner. They will have to shed 4 million easy to get under the Cap and still have enough to move if they need to at the trade deadline…
Still even though he was injured, they gave up pretty much nothing for him. They could probably get a 2nd rounder for him…At least.
They’ll get a decent return for sure. His skillset is also the most easily replaced by the remaining D core they have.
Depending on what they sign Alzner for and how much cap room they want to leave for the trade deadline they may make another trade, or drop someone to the AHL, but I don’t foresee any major moves for them after Wideman.
This team could really use a defensive specialist, as noted below, to take Pleks off the first PK unit. This is why Talbot would have been a perfect 4th line center.
In lieu of this, Hal Gill should center the first PK unit with Gorges and Subban on the back end. This MUST be what they’re planning, I know it.
They tried that last year with Halpern. Pleks said he likes playing the PK.. doesn’t matter who they sign, he will still play on the pk.
I liked Talbot too – but 5 years is a mighty long contract for a player of his calibre.
Why can’t Gauthier trade Gomez for Boumeester?
For starters, because it would be horrific.
because this is the real world
seriously .. like who would make a trade for a Cody Franson and Mike Lombardi for a 7th and 8th DMan in the “real world”
a GM in a non-hockey market, who is trying to make room in his budget, to sign a top 10 player in the leage this past year(Weber), to a mammoth contract.
That’s not reality for Calgary.
And Lebda won’t be a 7th or 8th d-man in Nashville, but that’s beside the point.
a non hockey market .. kinda like trading a top prospect for an overpaid center (gomez for mcdonaugh ) or a top center for a back up and 2 marginal players ( B Richards for Smith, jokinen and halpern ) or even trading a team leader for 2 young players ( MRichards for Schenn and Simmonds ) nah .. these things dont happen in the “real world” . Good thing you know everything.
Because bouwmeester is soft like room temperature butter, and forget how to score since he left florida?
Wow, amazing that I would rather keep gomez than trade him for Bouwmeester. Never thought i would say that lol
i wouldn’t lose any sleep on the habs right now anyways, its a circus in montreal–same story–whats the use going for them anyways–conservative management–lets put 1 chip in the pot and hope to win a hundred with these mickey mouse signings—this team is managed no different than how gainey ran it which tells me he is still in charge—
lets ignore the element of toughness meanwhile the other teams in our conference get more gritty–its a joke in montreal right now–molson needs to fire everyone and anybody and get new people with a totally different direction– what a joke,whoever doesn’t see this is blind as a bat or is in major denial
“whats the use going for them anyways”
you know what Pat? you’re right, there is no use. You might as well pick a new team until the Molsons fire everyone.
here is montreal’s theme song with this nice guy hockey system they have over here
You make excellent points as usual. I’m convinced!
My vision is greatly enhanced in the dark, this has its advantages. As for my period of denial, well it is really a great way to avoid those whom i don’t care to engage with. Being a bat in denial does have its advantages.
Hey pat s ,thank -you for being REAL! Your view point is much valued and UN-corrupted ,unlike the stupid and 19 year unsuccessful cult blindness demonstrated by a core group of misguided and desperate to be heard, armchair, no minded and rude patrons on this site. Carry on my Friend because at the end of the season the truth always come out and the one’s who truly know Habs hockey will be correct while the others fade to black. Like I said 19 years and running!
There is a perfectly good defensive specialist in Hamilton. His name is Andreas Endqvist. He’s big with a right handed shot.
The fact that PG let Halpern go and has shown no inclination to sign a fourth line player as everybody suggests indicates he is pencilling him in for next season.
Developing these types of players is always preferable to picking them up off the FA market where you usually get a player with limited upside or other issues.
Poor Burkie, next he’ll be saying southern Ontario should be the 51st state.
With Arnott and Langenbrunner signing in St. Louis, it’s a classic Missed Opportunity by Goatier according to the usual crowd.
However if he had signed them it would be a classic case of PG putting old men on the squad past their prime and cutting off the development of young players.
Habs land is fun.
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Has there ever been a trade or free agent singing by another team that didn’t elicit at least one “Come one Goat, wake up!”?
Me, I’d rather read the bunny’s harsenpfeffer adventures.
Coook!! Cooooook?!!! Vhere’z my HA-SSen- Feffer??!!!!
Arnott and Langen signed in STL
Pretty disappointed we didnt land langenbrunner
I think you may go with a couple of those vets the year you are making a run and have a lot of excitable youngsters who may need some steadying. We are not there. Let’s see where the kids and new guys are and re-visit in March.
I would have been good with Langenbrunner. Stillman’s still out there. That would work too.
Why oh why do we still hear about sending Gomer to the minors. It just irks me….lets say push came to shove and PG listened to you guys and did that. You wouldn’t be able to sign a ufa or sign ur own players if you do that. He is one of the most respected players in the league. If you do that to him it is like putting a do not enter sign on the the front door of the bell centre. We are stuck with him and his contract and lets hope he pulls up his trousers and plays to his potential. But lets stop the send to minors talk cause it aint gonna happen.
Perhaps, but Sather did it to Redden and had no trouble signing Brad Richards and Marian Gaborik.
Ironically, that team still won’t make any noise in the playoffs.
That’s because Sather drives a money truck around the NHL offering blank checks to anyone willing to go there and there will always be guys willing to go to a team for that.
Didn’t Brad Richards just leave money on the table to go to New York?
From whom, Toronto? That doesn’t count no one wants to sign there
Calgary? Los Angeles?
And I think it becomes a relevant point when people argue that the Rangers just throw a truck load of money at players. They certainly do. But New York is a highly desirable place to live.
Although usually the case, there have been circulated reports that richards chose the rangers over more lucrative offers from toronto and LA. Why LA would want to commit that kind of money to richards when they already have two top-flight centers, is beyond me to understand.
Redden does not have Cup Rings or the level of respect from players as Gomez. Sending him down after an off year does not exactly send positive vibes through the league about the club. Haven’t we enough challenges attracting players as some would say??
he will be given a chance at training camp to show that he has properly conditioned himself and is ready to play this year and if he performs in preseason he will stick with the club if not then he should have a chance to work on his game in hamilton.
Insane. He’s a vet. He will not be ” given a chance at training camp to show that he has properly conditioned himself and is ready”.
He will start the season as the #1 or 1A center. Get used to it unless he is traded.
The Ranger sent Wade Redden to the minors and they had no problem signing UFAs….Brad Richards for one…
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
“Most respected players in the league?” You can like the guy but geeze I wouldn’t extrapolate to that with no basis.
I don’t think he’ll go to the minors either, but he should if PG had any balls. It wouldn’t hurt our ability to sign FA’s. Hell, it would send the message that we actually care about winning, and not just selling beer. And that’s a message that needs to be sent.
Thing is – for all his flaws – Gomie is probably a better centre right now than Eller or Desharnais, not to mention JT Wyman or whoever is our 5th centre these days.
And that’s the real reason he won’t be sent to the minors.
Not the point of your post, but I think JT Wyman signed with another club.
So I’m hanging out at this Goalie Comedy Bar, the “5-Hole”, as it’s known, and the first act comes out. And damn if it isn’t a Puck.
He looks over the audience and says “Stop me if you’ve heard this one.”
Gomez is working hard to prepare for next season!
Basically, he flew the Habs physical trainer to Alaska to help him work out.
Glad he is taking steps to improve his play, but he should have gotten a shooting/faceoff coach too!
Stomach trouble. No guts.
Actually the way the whole team failed to respond after Chara assaulted Pacioretty was disgusting.
Beliveau, The Rocket, Pocket Rocket, Bouchard, Cournoyer, Savard, Hainsworth, Blake, Carbonneau, Gainey, Harvey, now those were captains to remember. Champions.
WTF does that have to do with Shiram’s post?
If you’re gonna troll at least be coherent, or sober.
Wondered that myself?
There seems to be a few people like that floating around today.
….or Nuna and Tony are the same person.
prepare for death threats – I’d add Kirk Muller to your list, and Saku, too. We should get Muller into coaching – oh crap!
Good for him..I wish he would just practice shooting all summer.
That’s actually awesome. I really hope he can turn it around this year.
As for the shooting/faceoff coach, babysteps Shiram, babysteps 😉
Yea I guess you are right, take the good, and don’t focus on the bad, right?
Honestly as much as he gets ragged on he really DOES try and care. Sometimes shite happens, you can’t get it done.
Being in shape will take care of a lot of the shooting and faceoff problems Mr. Gomez was having.
To have a good shot you need to be able to bend your stick, you need upper body strength.
In the faceoff circle, hand-eye coordination and reflexes aren’t all you need. You need to have upper-body strength so your stick isn’t casually pushed aside or batted away. You need total body strength, and especially in the legs and core, if your sticks are locked up and now you need to push your opponent and kick the puck back with your skate.
You need cardio and muscular endurance so you’re not fading at the end of your shift, of the period, and of the game, as well as the second game in back-to-backs.
If Mr. Gomez trains hard (I hope he’s not in Alaska all summer, that he takes a few weeks to go train with Mr. Cammalleri or Subban or Gionta, since it’s hard to stay motivated and really push yourself when you’re alone in the gym), I believe he will have more zip on his shot, he will trust it more and will surprise goalies instead of lofting wobbly creampuffs at them. This will make him a much more complete, less predictable player who is harder to defend. He might feel more confident along the boards and he won’t be manhandled in the faceoff circle either.
Brian Burke compares his stacking the blue line in TOR to the compsition they had in ANA. He also seems to forget included in that were these two guys called Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger.
Oh and arguably the best Finnish hockey player of all time that and some lucky one-time players such as Getzlaf and Perry, what have those two done lately anyway?
Hey, Toronto has two all-stars in Phaneuf and Komisarek, no? 😉
I’m struggling to see where the Niedermeyer, Pronger and Beauchemin are on his team. Ironic thing for him to have said since he traded Beauchemin away.
Franson is immediately their best defenseman. But he’s no Pronger or Niedermeyer, and neither is Phaneuf for that matter. Liles? Aulie?
He’s on some good stuff if he thinks Reimer can duplicate what Giguere did too. It’s pretty unbelievable that they’re repeating the Gustavsson story with Reimer. That guy stays so deep in his net that he’s nearly touching the goal judge. And he’s about to be exposed just like The Monster was. But due to the opposite flaw. Gustavsson was the reincarnation of Roman Chechmanek.
He’s just feeding starving Leaf fans biscuits. Did the same thing last year and look how that turned out. Leafs are are probably improved from last year but any GM worth his salt could have done that. I remember some poster poster here stating and restating insensibly how Burke will make that team a powerhouse this year with all the cap space and guaranteeing Richards would sign there. LOL Leaf fans are the one’s on good stuff and Burke is just their dealer.
And now he’s covering his ass about why he failed to land Richards, saying that he’s morally against front-loaded contracts.
That’s fine, but as a GM if you’re unwilling to exploit a loophole in the CBA they way that your fellow 29 GM’s are, then you can’t talk out of the other side of your mouth and say that you’re doing everything possible to improve the team.
FWIW, I think PG (and the Habs organization in general) are also against front-loading contracts to exploit that loophole in the CBA. If you look at our roster, the only front loaded contract we have is Gomez’s and we acquired him through trade. The contracts that were actually signed by our team are all evenly distributed, or slightly back-loaded.
As much as I think Burke is a loudmouth jackass, I do like his stance on that. Same goes for our mgmt. That stuff, while helping to get/retain players and keep under the cap, defeats the purpose of having a cap in the first place and makes an absolute mockery of the league.
The fact that something like that was so easily missed in the CBA, and subsequently so easily exploited quickly thereafter makes the league look like a complete joke. The fact there wasn’t something done to rectify it properly (the Kovalchuk fiasco last year is not proper rectification) makes the league look even worse.
Actually most leaf fans I know are like you and I – they know their team isn’t as good as they’d like. I don’t know many deluded fans that buy into what Burke says
Multiple Norris trophy winners are overrated.
I would love to see the reactions of Habs fans who heard Gauthier say that he’s got the next version of Robinson, Savard and Lapointe.
But then again, maybe with Beaulieu, Subban and Tinordi he might(joke)
“I would love to see the reactions of Habs fans who heard Gauthier say that he’s got the next version of Robinson, Savard and Lapointe.”
Bricks would be shat, my friend. Chaos, riots, and lynchings would surely ensue.
Ah, so someone else remembers Pierre Pilote!
Burke is just Sather on steroids LOL
I’m beginning to think that Toronto is getting close to being in the mix for the last couple playoff spots. Of course everything has to work out for them and a number of players need to build on good seasons and not backslide (Reimer, MacArthur, Grabovski, Aulie Schenn, Gunnarsson) and they have to hope that Kessel-Lupul-Connolly can mesh and not lead the league in mopey post-game interviews.
If all of that works out…then they could be right there with 5-6 other teams challenging for 8th.
What is wrong with you? I have read 3 or 4 posts by you today that haven’t made a lick of sense. Should we be concerned? First and foremost, I’m worried for your well-being. I suspect you are either ill or some type of bot that takes names and themes that have been posted about and splices them together somewhat haphazardly into posts.
PS – I know I posted this earlier but it was buried in another thread and felt it deserved its own as it related to the safety and well-being of a fellow poster. Sorry. Poor form.
LOL. The Tonys are back.
Had to turn off the Team 990. Campbell and Tieman are on. Torture!
Tieman is a nice guy. Maybe too nice.He isn’t controversial which doesn’t make for great radio. But he is a nice guy.Wouldn’t want to go through what he has had to deal with medically.
Yes but have you tried his wife’s chili?
No, I have taste.
I am hearing Bogosian is on the trade market and the habs started talks w/ the jets. Could be to put pressure on Gorges to sign. I for one would take Bogosian over Gorges…as our D is on the really small side right now. I know Gorges has a lot of heart & can take a hit like no one else in the NHL…but we need D that can actually lay a huge hit and stop forwards from running Price.
They did it again, folks, resurrected a Golden Oldie and given it new lyrics.
Here’s the original, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSt0NEESrUA
North to Alaska
Way up north (North To Alaska)
Way up north (North To Alaska)
North to Alaska
Go home – the push is on
North to Alaska
Go home – the push is on
Scott G left the Rangers in June of 2-oh-9
(With Pyatt his teammate – but never on his line)
He was traded to the Habitants and kept his bonanza gold
What a lucky man from Anchorage, just a little south-east of Nome
Scott’s favourite play is to cross the line the quickest way he can
Then veer off to the far left side and wait for the trailing man
With the rabid fans a-running wild for the team known for its class
Scott G became their whipping boy for screwing up the pass
When Gomez goes winding
The fans they start whining
North to Alaska
Go home, they scream his name
Scott turned to Gauthier with his millions in hand
Said: “PG, you’re lookin’ at a disappointed man.
“I’ve not earned my money so trade me if you can
“Here’s the places I won’t go so good luck with that plan.
“A player needs a fan base to love him all the time,
“But, Mister G, the fans here are screwing up my mind
“I will try my hardest their love to win back.”
The only way, the GM says, is to buy out your contract.
When Gomez goes winding
The fans they start whining
North to Alaska
Go home, the push is on
North to Alaska
Go home, the push is on
Way up north (North To Alaska)
Way up north (North To Alaska)
that was brilliant. you just need a coda about the (alleged) pot smoking.
In the meantime team’s physical trainer Pierre Groulx was brought in early in the off season by Gomez to supevise his summer training regiment in preparation for the next season…… that’s a boy, Gomez insisted on footing the bill too.
Isn’t Pierre Groulx the goalie coach?
WSH is over the cap, and close to the off season limit…who will they trade?
I wonder if PG has talked to them about Semin…
Semin makes over 6 mil, makes a point of dissappearing every year when the playoffs role around, and I’m sure we would have to trade some serious assets to get him.
Disappearing in the playoffs? I wouldn’t say he disappears, he is almost a ppg player in the playoffs…he is a big guy, has tons of skill, can score, can fight (ok I laughed when I typed that…)
I am not sure WSH would demand some “serious assets” to get him seeing how they are already over the cap.
Anyways, just a thought.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Semin in a second (and I find that his ‘disappearing’ in the playoffs is overstated), but who would we have to give up? I’m not sure we have the resources to acquire him, and he isn’t the type of player who can do everything by himself.
Just isn’t a fit for us right now.
Alexander Semin would make Alexei Kovalev look like Jaromir Jagr.
All kidding aside, Semin is supremely talented, but he kinda reminds me of Kovalev 2.0 – not enough internal fire to make him as good as he’s easily capable of being, tries harder than Kovy, but not much harder.
Caps fans not too happy with him, but damn he is talented.
I’d like Eric Fehr.
No way, he has two bad shoulders
Didn’t know that, thanks for the update.
I have a feeling Wideman will be the odd man out there. His salary is reasonable enough for what he brings that they can get a decent return, but large enough to greatly help them with being over the cap. Plus, they already have Green and Carlson as offensive Dmen.
Have to agree with you. Wideman isn’t all that good defensively too so he doesn’t really fit with the new philosophy in Washington. Going over budget seems to be the theme in that town.
Poti and Fehr may go on Long Term IR, which may give them some relief. But the Caps’ owner has hinted that there would be moves in store. It wouldn’t surprise me if Semin or Green were dealt.
And who will the Sabres trade ? $350 k left in the bank and they are short a Dman and more importantly a back-up goalie.
As a start, they will probably do like Calgary and waive Ales Kotalik to play him in the AHL. That’s 3mil right there, but they’ll need to do more than that to fit another Dman and back-up goalie into the roster if they plan on having some wiggle room on the cap.
I’d trade them Enqvist for Gaustad which would solve our 4th line C opening.
I’d also trade them Spacek back to acquire Pominville and free up another 2mil for them, but we’d have to give them more than that and I might not like what else they would ask for, lol.
Imagine having your top 9 be Cammy – Pleks – Pom; MaxPac – Gomez – Gio; AK – DD/Eller – Cole!!! And still having PK, Marky, and Carey to boot!!! Then we could plan the parade. Ahhh, fantasy is fun.
Pominville is one of their better players, so I dont see them giving him away. He’s had 0.82 pts/game over the last 5 seasons, and only last season did he not play a complete season.
I think acquiring him would be more pricey than we may think. Great player though.
Yeah, getting Pominville was the “fantasy” part of my post that I eluded to. You’re right about him being a great player though. He certainly is.
Has anyone considered that all the goaltenders being signed by PG might be because, the organization is not feeling overly confident they can keep Price long term?
Listening to the team 990 and other sports casts, everyone has been perplexed by letting Auld go and signing Budaj. Budaj is very athletic and as Arpon noted on the team 990 yesterday, Colorado does not have a full time goaltender coach and there are a lot of people out there who think Budaj is starting goalie material with some good coaching…
Just a thought…
Price isn’t going anywhere. I think the Halak decision is a more important indication of that and the Budaj signing more about upgrading at the backup position.
Carey’s not going anywhere. He will get a contract based on a combination of how he performed last season and how he performs this season. If he’s a standout this season, he’ll demand a ton of money, but that’s what long front loaded contracts are for.
Radio talk show “experts” looking for something to talk about.
That is sheer lunacy. The organization didn’t draft him 5th overall, then trade away the only other viable goalie option in the system to watch him walk away. I expect the Habs will try at some point this season to lock him up long term, making him very, very wealthy. They would be crazy to do anything but.
maybe they signed those goalies because they were needed in hamilton?
just a thought…
You need good depth at that position because of injury, you need a very good back-up and then another good back-up to back this one up….. its better to pilled them up, trade them for something in return when not required.
I think in Budaj’s case, the team saw someone who is still kinda young and has potential. If our goalie coach can make him a quality enough back-up that he can be considered by other teams to be “starter” material, he will be traded at some point for a better return. This wasn’t an option with Auld who’ll be 31 this year. Think along the lines of Cory Schneider, Jonathon Bernier, etc. Just my opinion, but it makes sense.
Delmas was already part of the organization I believe. With Lawson, he actually showed some decent play under the circumstances and the fact he played for the Isles. Plus we lost Sanford so we needed at least one replacement for him, and another goalie in the system as we were rather thin in terms of depth there.
Carey’s not going anywhere.
Colorado not employing a FT goalie coach = Bush League
Since Lacroix left that organization is in shambles. Either we see Joe Sakic promoted to GM real soon, or we see him getting out of Dodge.
Just a thought? Seriously? I think the replies here cover the bases as far as the more likely reasons that an organization with a minimum of 4 goalie roster spots and only 2 available goalies might sign 2 more.
As for the UPGRADE from Auld to Budaj…well, I think that is exactly what that was. Barring injury (god forbid) I don’t expect to see Budaj APPEAR in more than 15-20 games next year.
Didn’t you answer your own question? Budaj is an upgrade on Auld and with some work could be a starter if needed. But IMO I don’t believe it has anything to do with PG not feeling confident in keeping Price long term but a plan B is just smart business.
No. He is just rebuilding depth. You have to remember that say Price is out, we play Budaj – well, we still need a backup, so we bring up a guy from Hamilton, then Hamilton needs a starter, so their backup moves up, then they need a backup…
It’s not like swapping out 4th liners, of whom there are many.
Not at all. We need goalies for both leagues, and frankly, we were real dumb last year because we had absolutely no back-up plan if Carey got injured. Sure, Auld was great in his 10(?) starts, but can he continue to be so good if he was thrust into the starting role? I doubt it. WIth a real goaltending coach, and a team committed to defense, I am certain that Budaj could at least hold the fort if Carey went down.
I trust that PG knows Gorges pretty well. As TomNickle posted, you commit long term to players with strong character that are good for your team. If Gorges fits that mold then he will also understand that he is only one piece of the puzzle and that it takes many pieces to complete the design…..some pieces that are more key than himself. If he is a little more selfish and wants more than PG reasonable can sign him then perhaps he is better off playing elsewhere. PG isn’t going to go long on any contracts that may handcuff him when it’s time to negotiate to re-sign his franchise players…Price and PK
If Gorges understands that and wants to be part of picture then he will accept a smaller team cap hit for a longer term like 4 years 10M. At this stage of his career and that of the teams, this would make sense….if he has the character and commitment most fans believe he possesses then it will be done.
Gorges will be offered a contract that is of AT LEAST fair value for his services. There is no way that PG tries to lowball him – especially on a long term deal. Its not the way contracts work in reality. People who think Gorges is somehow going to sign for 2M per season are dreaming.
I guess my point was he is not a “core” player but I suspect a type of player that PG wants to keep. IMO the bigger the cap hit the shorter the term. If they do not agree then he goes to arbitration and Gorges looks for his “big” contract elsewhere.
Not really. IMO, If anything I think the cap hit is generally lower on a shorter term deal because the player wants to prove himself (in cases like a player coming into his prime like gorges). So he takes less money for a shorter term in the hopes of cashing in afterward. The lower cap hit for longer term is generally employed when signing to flight players, and they give a bonkers term to lower the cap hit, but the player is still getting the desired money. Guys like Pronger and Kovalchuk have no interest in playing out the final years of their contract, they were just tacked on so the team could save cap space. That’s the way I see it. I think we’ll have to give gorges more money per year on a 4 year deal than we would on a two year deal.
Dear PG & JM:
Um, some people say you’re done but there are some questions hanging out there… like…
What’s your plan for winning face-offs this year?
What’s your plan for defensive specialists (and not wearing out Pleks)?
What’s your plan for adding some toughness to your depth?
And if you’re going to add, why have you waited until most of the decent UFAs are gone?
– Ryan White.
– Travis Moen!
– Toughness? We added Cole. What more do you want?
– Because we’re on vacation and don’t have our phones with us. We got Budaj man. Relax!
PG & GM
I thought that White might be a good option for 4th line centre but I realized he sucks on faceoffs…So I think we need a centre to replace Halpern. We’ll see how Engvist does at training camp but I wasn’t impressed with him when he played, he doesn’t use his size effectively and doesn’t seem that fast either.
Nobody’s afraid of them though Whitey is a gamer. Need minimum one player 6’4″ or 6’5″ 230-240. Heavyweight. Bloody Chara’s nose. Protect. Moen’s got nothing. Makes Turner Stevenson look like the Rocket.
Much more curious issue to me, why was the invitation list for tryouts so thin for this 2nd camp after the draft? Seemed like a great opportunity to bring in 8-12 guys who didn’t get their name called and see what they have. Team is overlooking potential talent for the pipeline.
I disagree Robert. It seems you’re forgetting that the Habs have scouts who attend countless games during the season and see these kids first hand. In addition, they watch plenty of video where available for the same players. Development camp isn’t going to give them any new information that they don’t already have on each player you’re upset wasn’t invited.
Last year MTL had a wider range of tryouts at their 2nd camp Tom, this is not without precedent and it’s not like the team does not have the resources. They may have only seen some of these players a couple times and that was months ago. Doesn’t hurt anything to have a closer look.
Except that limiting the amount of camp bodies provides them the opportunity to do more teaching.
Tom, if they can find time to teach the huge group they had at the first camp, a group of 20 at this one would not set them back.
The first camp is for evaluation purposes Robert. The second camp is for teaching. That’s why they split the two camps into the groups that they do. Notice how the first camp is flooded with prior draft picks and the second usually only has guys from overseas?
I’m with Robert on this.
So all these scouts out there looking around all the time and they saw… nothing? Doesn’t add up. Each part of the pipeline is important and the widest part of the funnel is no exception. Like the title said: “not enough guys for a game of shinny”. Lotsa space to put a couple more guys on the radar.
Allow me to fantasize:
– We trade Gorges’ rights and high picks to NSH for Shea Weber (Don’t get me wrong, I’ll miss him!)
– Sign Shea Weber long term
– We submit an offer to Steven Stamkos and sign him (giving up the four 1st rounders)
– We find a way to move Spacek and Gomez (if not, send Gomez to the AHL)
– We sign Jason Arnott (or Langenbrunner)
– We have the cap space to do the above
– We wouldn’t have any 1st round picks for the next ten years, but what the hell, we’ll have a great team!
Cammy – Stamkos – Cole
Max – Plecks – Gionta
DD – Arnott – AK
(or: AK – DD – Langenbrunner)
Moen – Engqvist – Darche
Markov – SHEA Weber
Gill – Subban
Yemelin – YANNICK Weber
Alright, I’m done. Back to reality…
LOL Mike, such fantasies should be illegal!!!
That’s what happens when the Molsons promote their ticket guy PG to manage a pro sports franchise! Maybe its time the Molsons consider setting up a pro sport division, right now it’s all just about selling seats in some building and not about sports.
huh? wtf are you talking about? clearly nothing to do with what Mike3131 posted, or my response to him.
Somebody is hammered today Hal, that is like the 3rd or 4th delusional post. LOL, ohh i think i am getting giddy rereading them, trying to somehow someway decode them.
lmao, I need to get my decoder ring out.
what is a nuna?
Shea Weber and PK Subban are going to be the premiere dmen in this league the next 10 years. Glad we at least have 1 of them.
I do think Nashville is going to have hard time signing this guy, they have lost some good pieces of last years success already. Weber strikes me as a real competitor who wants to win. If he does sign I think will be as short a term as possible.
TSN mentioned yesterday that Shea Weber is seeking a short term deal. To me, that means “I’m outta here as soon as I’m UFA”.
Isnt Shea Weber going to arbitration too? Id give that guy Hamrlik’s 5.5 in a second.
Swap Webers and throw in our 1st. Sign him long term.
-When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-
$5.5M?! ill give the guy $6.5M easy! The guy is the complete package. He’s even more complete than a healthy Andrei Markov because of the physicality he brings to the table.
Also, Swapping webers and a first rounder isn’t enough to get the deal done IMO. I think we’re looking more at like Y Weber, a top prospect, 2 first rounders and a 2nd rounder. If I was Nashville’s GM I certainly wouldn’t accept less, and to be honest, I would gladly pay that to acquire Weber.
5.5 cap hit. Frontloaded contracts seem to be all the rage.
-When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro-
lol. Good point. I think with weber though you’re talking BIG money. Like $60 million over 10 years and front-loaded. That’s still $6 million a year.
Anyways, this is all for nothing because I am certain that PG has not even called Nashville to inquire about Shea Weber, nevermind made any sort of offer. Not to mention that PG doesnt seem creative enough to exploit the cap by using a long-term, front-loaded deal.
Really? The equivilant of 6 players. I’m sure the GM in Nashville appreciates you inflating the value of his player, one he potentially loses for nothing next year. So, lets try applying this formula to acquiring Chara; Boston would want all the players on the Habs except Gomez and Spacek, 10 prospects, 23 first round choices, 11 second round picks, 5% of the concessions revenue, naming rights on the building and RDS. They probably wouldn’t be hard over on the RDS part.
Nashville won’t trade Weber, but if they felt they had to, they wouldn’t get the package you describe either.
lol well done!
In a dream world if there wasn’t a cap and the Habs were the Yankee’s this would happen. The big issue would be trying to resign Price and PK the following year. Both are going to get nice big paychecks (i hope) so they stay in Montreal. Also Eller and Yemelin are both up for new contracts next year. If either of them have good years in 11-12, we can kiss them good-bye as well.
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SpaceCheck’s contract is up next year which will open up 3.8 mil. I’m hoping both Price and PK sign long term deals. IMO; Price in the 5.5-6.5 range and PK 4.5-5.5. Load the contracts wherever and however you like.
I think in that scenario trading stamkos + Weber for eller and Yemelin is a bit of a no brainer though.
taken from Twitter:
Hearing #Habs Josh Gorges is seeking 4mill a yr. A middle ground of 2.5/yr seems about right. Single pts dman shouldnt earn more than 3mill”
I totally agree with this. 4mill for Gorges is a lot of money for a single digit Dman.
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Agreed. I think even $3.5M is too much. He shouldn’t be making over $3M. A 5th dman should make no more than $2.5M and it really doesn’t matter if he’s a PK specialist…and I think his PK success has more to do with his pairing with Gill than him individually.
You set a really bad precedent if you sign him in the $3-3.5M range.
Gorges would not crack the top 4 on any team in the league, so how is he a 2nd pairing dman?
Whatever way his contract is loaded, assuming its long term, his annual cap hit should not exceed 3.25 IMO.
I think you’re undervaluing JG’s ability and importance to the team. Not talking about dollars here, but his actual play and role on our squad. There are A LOT of Dmen in the NHL who are worse than Josh, and I think he would make quite a few teams top 4.
Don’t forget, D pairings are often about combining abilities together so if you’re talking about a pairing designed to score, then no, JG likely wouldn’t be there. But, if you’re talking about defending, PK, shot blocking, needing a good breakout pass, some speed, or combining the defensive with the offensive, then JG is a great choice.
OK, pay him $4M then.
PK and Yemelin’s agents will be seeing $$$ signs when negotiating their contracts.
“Gorges got $4M and my client scored 30 more points, played on the PP AND PK. We want $7M.”
Like I said. Paying him anything over $3M sets a bad precedent. As far as shot blocks, Habs are a shot blocking team…look where Hamr and Gill rank.
His value is overstated.
I never said to pay him 4mil, and I purposely mentioned in my previous post that I wasn’t talking about dollars when I said you were undervaluing him.
If you want to just talk about money, then I would give Gorges around 3mil. I’d prefer a bit under, but might be willing to go to 3.25mil. It depends on how his knee is doing and how many of his UFA years we are buying.
And yes, we are a shot blocking team….because we have players like Josh, Gill, previously Hamr, who block those shots. You lose those players, and guess what, we ain’t a shot blocking team no more.
We’re a shot blocking team because of the system we play. C’mon dude.
Is Shaun Starr a credible source? I ask because I’ve never heard of him before and I have a hard time believing JG and his agent would seek 4mil unless they’re just highballin their actual target and trying to increase PG’s lowest number.
I’m thinkg JG will be signed for somewhere in the vicinity of 3mil/season. Say from 2.75 – 3.25
He’s coHost of the Morning Show on Team990.
That means no
I like Gorges but 4 mil for a guy who might not be in the top 4? Umm….
If it’s going to be a long term deal, Habs will probably give him 3.5m-4m.
“Responding to the media , or playing to the media, or listening to the fans is the quickest way to start losing” – Sam Pollock
Arpon Basu must be living in la-la-land since he got lucky with his Cole suggestion. That the Habs didn’t sign Konopka also seems to have gotten his mojo fizzling.
He seems to think Gorges should get 3.5M per year. If another team offered JG that sum I would hope the Habs would take the picks.
Then they could make that 4.5M offer sheet for Dubinsky and only lose a 2nd.
Nowhere in that article does Basu say that Gorges should get 3.5mil per year – he doesn’t actually state a figure/projection for Gorges at all.
He mentions Willie Mitchell as one comparable who got 3.5mil per on a two year deal, but also says that Mitchell’s age is considerably more than Gorges. He also uses Polak and his 2.75mil cap hit, but says that Polak is a bit younger and a lot bigger than JG. Then he goes on to Methot who’s geting 3mil per for the next four years as another comparable.
C’mon HH, you’re better than that.
Are you Dubinsky’s uncle?
I checked ancestry.ca didn’t find a hit Serious, could be neighbours uncle, but i will need names of HH neighbours to do the research.
I live between GG an II.
Touche! Cheers Bud.
We’re getting thin on the blue line. Without Gorges, we’re down to 6. That includes SpaceCheck and Yemelin. Gorges’ agent is fully aware of our need and just as aware of our cap space (8.3). He’ll get at least 3 but wont touch 4 IMO.
I have a bit of a beef with the people who want more patience from the Habs organization when it comes to young players. Latendresse, Pouliot, Ryder, Ribeiro, O’Byrne and Kostitsyn.
These guys were all let go, not because of their production, but because of the way they handled themselves as professionals. Some cases are more obvious than others. But in the cases of Ryder, Latendresse and Pouliot, it was a simple refusal by the players to accept their role on the team. And for me, this is the most simple concept in all of hockey. The coach wants you to bang? You bang. The coach wants you to fall in line with the way the team plays? You do it. The coach wants you to put in some extra work in certain areas? You do it. All three of those guys refused.
Ribeiro and Kostitsyn were different cases. Both incredibly immature players who were all about themselves. Never showed any commitment to a team goal on or off the ice.
The point that I’m driving at here is that the organization shows an incredible amount of patience with players who handle themselves appropriately on and off the ice. Price, Plekanec, Pacioretty, Lapierre, Gorges, Andrei Kostitsyn, Yannick Weber. These guys have all had ups and downs in their young careers. And as a result, all but one of them are still Habs.
I would like to add that I’m not fond of the return that the team gets when they decided to cut ties with the character problem guys. But at the same time, most players, coaches and executives around the league know when a player has become a problem. So teams aren’t usually dealing from a position of strength when trying to get these guys new homes.
Which is part of the argument for letting JM go. We saw the lack of support to Subban, when the league and the world was all but ready to lynch the poor man, you would have thought this was right out of Missippi Burning but no, JM let Subban basically be lynched in the media. Where was the support to MaxPac when Charra did the hit? Where the hell was JM then? Where is the passion? No, we got stuck watching a pathetic five minutes of JM’s famous five on five work, in all the years JM has been here, his five on five answer worked for five minutes in one game in a playoff and this helped with a win. But the rest of the time? It’s basically a free for all out there. There is no discipline, no structure, no team spirit in a way, but most of all, we have no answer to the Goon Hockey of Gary Bettman!
What the heck does this have to do with the fact that I enjoyed reading Tom’s post?
He thinks your JM in diguise?
Did JM not have a press conference where he said he wanted a suspension and that the team’s number one priority was getting Max Pacioretty healthy?
Martin hates Subban so much that he was seeing 28 minutes/game at the end of the regular season and in the playoffs.
You saw Subban’s play crumble after the criticism by Shanahan and the bigotry of Cherry, and the media uproar that resulted. Scotty Bowman would not have put up with that. Sure Subban got more minutes. But fighting is part of the game. Subban’s style is his style, that is what makes him score. When JM only held a press conference, he was just reading a statement. If I was Subban and saw that I would be pissed! Where the hell is the support for one of our greatest D-men during this time of the habs development? What kind of future is that for Subban? If I was Subban’s agent I would be royally pissed and demand more at negotiation time. This lack of passion and support for our players all but helps the team overpay and continue to overpay for skill. Since when does an overpaid Gomez feel the need to score when he is assured his million dollars regardless if he scored a goal or not, because that is what it worked out to…a million dollars a score. Heck for 5 million you could find any fan who would sacrifice their body and themselves to earn the million. Did we see that in Gomez? No. Will Cole figure this out when he comes? Yes. We’ll see Cole get into one of his famous slumps, as he is not a solid scorer, like Gomez Cole has his ups and downs. Only this time Gomez is overpaid to be in a slump not that Gomez was ever an offensive threat to begin with at anytime in his career. 52 points in a year for Cole costs us almost what, if Cole’s avg of 15 goals a year, that almost makes it equal to Gomez’s a million dollar a goal year…..
nunacanadien…..you have some issues with reality.
Are you and Tony related?
In the case of O’Byrne, however, I think it was a good guy who didn’t fit the organization’s plans and was given the chance to develop elsewhere.
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Well said dude!!
%100 truth… it’s funny how many people truly believe they know more about the realities of being GM, and how the job works, and that they would actually be better at it then an actual NHL GM who has actually worked in the business.
perfect example is Pouliot, it’s staggering how many people on this board think they could have gotten something for him. But in reality, the other GM’s knew we were shopping him, and taking him from us in a trade would have required paying him 1.3 mil at least… so why not wait until we dump him and then sign him for less, and not give up any draft pics in he process.
Organizations have to deal with employees who have personality issues and personality disorders. Some people exhibit resistance to change and some resistance to authority. Many of the cases you site are younger guys so maturity can also be an issue. Hockey is a business like any other. An individual with talent usually gets a little leeway, a grace period, but at some point the down side outweighs the talent and it’s time for both parties to move on. I wish most of our departing players well elsewhere with the knowledge that someone else is waiting out there to step into their role with the Habs.
The way I look at it is that some kernels pop, some don’t.
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..partly true but Price was known to party pretty hard..still , here Pacioretty pretty well deecided his future and said things that would have got othe4r guys in trouble about not wanting to play in montreal unless a top six role was available (that is ssentially what killed Sergei, Dagostini, etc). Ryder did what they asked, started taking the body, started trying to chip pucks in and play a more defensive game…I actually think he did ag reat job, he didn;t score because he was put in roles where scroing opportunities were limited..so he did what bottom lines do…got him nowhere…but a Cup win of course. Lats…same story …needed top line minutes and pp time to be successful and room for error…he was very rushed. Andrei K and Hammer were part of the Mobstergate scandal…they are still here. Higgins was a partier or so go teh roomers but he was almost the opposite case…it seems we wanted him to more than he is and kept putting him in top sizx roles when he makes an ideal two way third liner who can occasionally fill in on a top line for short spurts.
Lapierre….not sure where his head was for long periods because it was very evident that when he felt like skating he could fly and cause chaos all over the ice without using his mouth….not sure what his issue was. Seems Pacioretty saw the recurring theme of top six guys not geting a chance and having their careers sputter…seeing this I believe he rightly made his statements….but one has to ask why it was ok for him but not others?
A guy like Kovaleve who is pretty well a world class locker room case….was offered a contract extension…..Koivu who is pretty well known throughout the league as a world class class act….was not (or not that we know about anyway).
Pouliot is another one who seemed to do well in a top six role, he had soe grwoing pains and we played him in a variety of roles….I think he did a great job by recognizing the team needed some physical presence and when he wasn’t getting top line minutes or pp time he altered his game to play a role and won a couple of fights, had some huge hits and played feisty….he looked to get confused at times and had the look of someone who was under too much pressure and was afraid to make a mistake.
O’Byrne…see Pouliot…another guy who I thought seemwed to get punished after his best stretch of hockey and started playing so nervously his failure was almost predetermined….
Ribeiro….no problem there….he was a great talent but waaay too many rumblings of his attitude and on and off ice behaviour.
The return for these guys absolutely stunk….
i get the idea of creating a cohesive bunch and a professional atmosphere but the hypocrisy has to be frustrating and there is erally only room for one offensive player to have any real success over th next three years and that is APcioretty’s to lose. Guys like Eller, Desharnais, Andrei K (sorrt of), Palushaj, Trotter etc are all in similar situations. Fortunately for Eller he is responsible defensively, plays center and has size which we lack up the middle. There is a high probablity Palushaj, Desharnais, even Weber, Trotte,etc are all headed down the same path…and when it does we’ll find some way to justify it. At least now we have 5 very good vets in the top six…..but Gomez last year should been enough for a realistic shot to someone else. These guys n two years will be older and that will be when we see if the team will reduce their roles and give some kdis a shot..until then…expect teh same old, same old….the team will still make the playoffs and have as good of a shot as most teams aside from a handful of the elite…but it sucks losing these kdis and I don’t buy the attitude thing in many of the cases.
TN, I agree completely. Sometimes the return on getting rid of these guys is simply getting rid of these guys.
So yesterday, I had a chili story. And, pursuant to the “spicy” factor that that story evoked, today, I have a curry story.
So anyway, a few weeks back, I pick up a rabbit. I don’t mean at the bar; I mean at the supermarket. Bugs loves rabbit. Miam-miam-miam!
Now, there’s lotsa stuff you can do with rabbit. Broil it, roast it, bake it, poach it, veeeeery, very versatile protein. Me, I had in mind to do a rabbit curry. Just thinking about it was driving me mad in anticipation. But…I ain’t stupid. I wasn’t going to risk an entire rabbit on ONE recipe, which may or may not succeed considering I’d never made a curry from scratch before. (Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that, from scratch, no curry powder.)
So, after practicing another rabbit de-boning (which was an utter fail), I took out all the meat. (By the way…there’s no such thing as rabbit stock…just a godawful goop’o’fat.)
Made 3 dishes. Rabbit stew. Classic. To serve as consolation prize if anything else muffed up.
Rabbit paella. My specialty…which I completely ruined by overcooking the rice. Ruined. I have never produced such a paella fail since the dawn of humanity. Enough to get my poor great-grandmother to get up out of her grave and snatch up my bald head.
Now, the curry. (My, this is gettin long.) Made mine over gingered onions and garlic outta mustard, red pepper paste and milk. Coriander. Cumin. Touches of paprika and cinnamon. That’s it.
And the taste was extraordinary. It was a perfectly executed rabbit curry.
The problem was that I underestimated the power of the red pepper paste. Blew the back of my throat out the roof of my mouth and vice-versa. I don’t like “too spicy”. Others love it.
Other cultures are BUILT around it. But me? Blechh…
I think my rabbit curry could’ve won friggin PRIZES in Prakmatavarash (or whatever) but me, I could barely eat it! I had to chug down two beers with every plate.
Good thing I had made the stew; salvaged SOMETHIN outta that poor rabbit.
OK, gotta ask. You made 3 dishes. How big was this bunny? We talkin’ Super Rabbit here?
But I like this curry recipe…minus the red pepper paste, mind you, because I detest the second degree burns factor of hot peppers.
A 22-dollar rabbit. Maybe a foot’n’half long.
Come on ou to Canmore AB and you can have as many bunnies as you can shoot. Tree-huggers will be all over you but I will supply your beer and ammo!
I’ll be there when I’m dead apparently cuz that sounds like Paradise, baby!
That sounds like HIO Summit in the making AB. Were gonna need a bunch of 4 wheelers, ammo and beer out the ying yang.
Ok really lame joke I know, so I’m sorry in advance.. I just find it funny how a guy named Bugs is giving advice on how to cook Bunny .. ok that was pretty painfull to even write but I just HAD to.
Again sorry (really sorry)
Kind of reminds me of the episode when Bugs was the cook for Yosemite Sam and all he wanted was a german sounding dish that was made with rabbit (can’t recall the dish).
I do not understand the problem with a dish that makes you drink two beers with every plate? Curry ingredients are similar to what I use except I use coconut milk in place of real milk (wife has dairy allergy).
My wife uses the Coconut milk as well, makes for a nice flavour. Also, good call on any plate making you drink 2 beers. Of course I love hot peppers so I am going to take Bugs recipe home to mama.
Punkster, good question, this could be one of those super Rabbits I have seen on TV also, some German guy had a monster one last year that was going across the internet/email, GIANT.
Coconut milk IS the required ingredient. Serves to give the curry that final creamy consistency.
But the only reason it’s coconut milk is because they venerate cows, remember.
But nothing wrong with using cream instead. Or regular milk if you’re not into the richness of cream like yours truly.
Coconut milk curries are especially prevalent in southeast Asia, where there are few Hindus, and hence no cow veneration.
In that case, what do I know?
Except that milk works just fine for me.
Great bunny story,
If your eating really spicy food I find it best to keep your mouth full until all the food is finished, that way it only burns once.
Or try and add some yohurt to the curry at the end to smooth out some of the heat….or maybe try and thin it out a bit with some coconut milk. Anyway it sounded delicious.
Go to Chinatown, or an Asian grocery store somewhere, and look for the condiments section for curries and sauces. I used to buy tablets of compressed curry sauce (it looks pretty much like a Hersheys chocolate bar). There are about 8 to 12 squares of compressed curry. Heat some oil and start stirring. Makes a great curry paste. Add veggies, meat, fowl, shrimp, whatever your fancy, etc. A bit like a roux in Louisiana cooking.
If the food is too spicy, drink some milk. Unless you’re lactose intolerant, of course.
The idea was to make it from scratch, not stir in a processed cube of the stuff.
And, a roux is not “Louisiana cooking”. It’s French cooking, baby.
But thanks anyway.
Try using a fresh green chile (deseeded) when adding the ginger and garlic. A little heat and nice flavour. Your other option is to invest in Kashmiri chile powder. A mild red powder from India.
Your spice mixture is pretty classic. Consider adding a little fenugreek powder and see what happens.
Like I said: my curry was phenomenal. Didn’t need to have its taste altered, only the level of its spiciness.
The mustard itself was my fenugreek ingredient. Didn’t have lemongrass either. So I squirted in some lemon juice.
Keepin it simple.
But still makin it complicated.
Trick is to never redundify your ingredients. 8-to-10 is the maximum one should put in any recipe. Anymore, you risk overkill, they all cancel each other out, and it’s ruined.
It sounded good to me. I liked the cinnamon stick. I find that is an accent oft times missed but it adds so much.
The fennugreek has a binding effect on curries. That’s all. But by all means stick with what works for you and the rabbit.
We forget Gorges skill that has improved from when he first came. He has grown on a line with Gil. The one we should be worried about losing is SK47, that would be yet one more angry hab ala Ryder style who will destroy us when it means the most like a spurned lover……if we lose Gorges, we will suffer on our power play. If we lose SK47 we will lose key games in the future and all the wheeling and dealing for the likes of Gomez HD (Cole) is not going amount to anything. Why sign a bigger version of Gomez?
Who is this mystical “SK47″ of which you babble? There’s nobody on the team with those initials or that number.
And how does potentially losing a guy that doesn’t play on the power play, um, hurt the power play? BTW, Josh isn’t going anywhere.
During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.
I forgot we lost SK47! Shoot I thought the article was speaking about the good kostysin that we have left! My bad!
Dude, how drunk are you and what time is it there?
I still don’t know what you mean by SK47. If you mean SK74, in which case we’d be talking about the former #74 Sergei Kostitsyn, do you have any idea how absurd that original statement sounds? You’re talking about a guy that the Habs would play once, maybe twice, in a regular season schedule…and that’s it. The Predators aren’t making the Cup Finals any time soon.
Thanks RGM, didn’t know how to politely ask what you did. LOL
Who is SK47???
And Gorges doesn’t really play the PP. Our PK would suffer without him so I assume that’s what you meant.
Wow nuna, you’ve outdone yourself here. This post is full of crazy/fail/gibberish. I love it!
SK47? Gorges leaving would hurt our PP? Erik Cole being a bigger version of Gomez?
Cole is Gomez HD?
worst post of the day, hands down.
Day’s still young
It’s sad when Cole is the best we can do. It’s equally pathetic that Cole’s stats are not that much better than Gomez’s. The only thing Cole has going for him is some size and grittiness. Goals are what we need. So we now have two great overpaid players in Gomez and Cole who can pass the puck. When are we gonna sign a real player who can score? Oh wait, I forgot, Konopka was supposed to be our saviour! Alas again, we had no money left over cause we had to pay two great forwards who can pass the puck to a scorer that we can’t afford. As if Konopka is a scorer….so PG that was your big move and response to losing to Boston? Signing Cole? Another forward who can pass the puck well? No wonder we dont’ get many shots on net, we’re too busy practicing our passing….
Nuna, I think you need to reassess all your conceptions of these different players you are referring to.
There is nothing remotely close to similar between Cole and Gomez. Cole is very fast, strong, gritty and will pot 25+ goals for Montreal this year.
People who wanted Konopka did so for abrasiveness, face offs and 4th line banging shifts. Nobody thought he would score.
Anyways just trying to help.
you really are clueless
Best post of the month so far.
Month’s still young
Best. Post. Ever.
You have very successfully captured the Habs’, nay, the entire NHL’s zeitgeist with one deft stroke of the keyboard. I find myself completely physically spent havin’ surfed the ululatin’ waves of your funky hockey ocean.
Epic stuff. I stand in awe.
Bravo, sir, bravo!
*cue Wagner’s Ride of the Valkyries*
I heard Don Meehan on the radio this morning talking about MacArthur and Stamkos deals.
The Stamkos situation is interesting to listen too. Don says they have agreed on some items in prinicple, that Stamkos is a unique player, a franchise player and very popular in the community.
Kind of sounded to me like Meehan has made them agree that he is settling for nothing less than BIG BUCKS. The interviewer asked about any Offer Sheets coming in on Steve. Don stated that “at present” they are negotiating with Tampa only in order to keep Stamkos in Tampa. But about 2-3 times he said in a kind of a funny way, that this is “at present”. Certainly almost sounded like he was hopeful or inviting the idea of someone sending out an offer sheet to kind of force the hand of Stevie Y. to get a deal done.
I really hope they can sign him, I have this weird sick feeling that Burke is gonna come up with some deal where he gets Stamkos. As I have said earlier, I heard rumblings through none media folk that Stamkos wants to play in Toronto. Aarghh…..
Sidney Crosby wants to play for Montreal.. he resigned in Pitts as he was in a similar situation as Stamkos… Once they become UFAs you may see Crosby with the CH and Stamkos with the Leafs..
And Cats living with Dogs, Hot Dogs and Hot Dog Buns coming in packs of the same quantity, actual music videos to be played on MTV once more topped off with Gary Bettman apologizing for making a mockey of our game at the same time.
” Cats living with Dogs”
I liked the hot dog packaging reference. So true.
As much as I would love it, I very much doubt Sid will ever leave Pitts. Not saying it definitely won’t happen, but it’s extremely unlikely. He was really taken in by the team and Mario (literally too) and has so far enjoyed personal and team success. The only way it might happen is if The Pens franchise were to start going downhill either in competitiveness or ownership/profitability and generally became an undesired place to play. Then and only then do I think Sid might defect, and hopefully choose the team he cheered for as a boy to play for.
Hopefully it happens, but not likely.
I agree that Pittsburgh has to become pretty uncompetitive for it to happen.
However, I feel the wild card in this could be the way the Penguins treated his injury. I am still shocked that they let him play against Tampa after the Winter Classic. He said to the MEDIA that he couldn’t remember what happened after he was hit by Steckel. There is NO way he should have been playing against Tampa.
If Crosby feels the organization made a bush move and has jeopardized his career, he might think twice about leaving, especially if the team isn’t doing so well.
That is a big if though.
You bring up a good point. If people recall, in the Winter Classic, Pittsburgh was down late and pulled their goalie, except no one came over the boards. Cuz it was supposed to be Crosby jumping on the ice. Guy was in such a fog he didn’t realize it was on him to get out there. No way in the world a non-concussed Crosby misses that assignment.
So now you have watched the guy hunched over barely get back to bench, miss the extra man assignment, and you have the gaul to stick him out the next night! I don’t care how many times Crosby says he is fine, he obviously ain’t fine. And for Mario of all owners to watch all that and not step in? Bad on him, bad on doctors, bad on bylsma, heck bad on anything in Pittsburgh (excpet my beloved Steelers!)
Very very poorly handled.
You know what? I would love BOTH deals. It would restore the rivalry and make both teams amazing to watch
wouldn’t lose any sleep over Gorges 3rd line D
So is Gill but they are both needed in the lineup for the Habs to be successful long term.
Gill is necessary over the short-term (this season). I will be surprised if he is even around next season, so I guess it depends on what you mean by long-term.
A full season. Should have specified. I’m of the opinion that Markov and Gorges going down set this team back in paramount fashion last season. Despite what some people are saying our penalty killing did suffer when Gorges went out.
We have always had average to good even strength scoring when Markov plays and our penalty killing has been almost elite since Gorges and Gill have arrived.
You can’t replace their roles easily in my opinion.
That explanation I can agree with quite easily.
Yeah, if a guy can’t score goals, who needs him. Who cares if we don’t have one of the best penalty killing teams in the league without him.
For that matter, Carey didn’t score any goals last year either. We should let that bum go too.
One player does not make a PK successful. The PK was still quite solid without Gorges around.
No one is talking about getting rid of Gorges. We’re talking about his value…and if he thinks his value is $3.5M+, he’s crazy.
Unless his name is Carey Price. I think the thing with Gorges is his likability. Given the number of players that have not wanted to come to Montreal, or the troublemakers we have had to get rid of, it is so refreshing to see a guy like Gorges and alot of us really like the guy. Sometimes we get a little to emotionally attached to a guy like that and start overinflating his value to the team, especially in economic terms.
I do agree with you we shouldn’t be exceding 3.5M per for the guy. I just don’t want this to become a pissing contest between his agent and PG over a couple hundred grand. And as a result of that, don’t like to see cases get to Arbitration where Mgmt basically sits there and points out all his weaknesses including that bad hangnail he has along with that wart on his left shoulder.
Anyhow, hope they get him signed to me he is part of our core defense group, replaceable yes, not easily and definitely not the preferred route to go.
Our PK was in the top 3 before he started playing hurt and then left for the season. We dropped to below top 10 while he was out and then we had to pick up Sopel and Mara do do his job. Our Pk was good again but not as good as when he was in the lineup. He said nothing about too much money for him, he referred to him as only a 3rd pairing DMan, which I don’t agree with. He’s better than that.
Our 2011 HIO Fan Summit News Flash!
Bell Center tells me that it will be a couple of weeks yet before confirming our HIO Summit game tickets for the Boston game Oct. 29th. I have asked for 100 seats for us.
If we get that date, our HIO Fan Summit weekend will start on Friday evening, the 28th.
Now just to throw this out to all of you. Would you like to attend a Montreal vs Calgary CFL game, 1pm Sunday Oct. 30th.? Or is our weekend full enough.? Of course, only if we are given tickets for the 29th Boston game Sat. night by the Bell Center.
Hey Ian, with the addition of the little one to our family, I don’t know if the football game would be possible (I’d have to be able to sneak away for the afternoon), but we’d definitely be in for the 28th and 29th.
I looked into it last week and there was not much available other than singles here and there. End zones have more. For your info tickets are 83.40 and 104.40.
Chuck and Denis thanks
Hey Ian – can I get info on the HIO Summit. Been on the board here for a few years but haven’t been yet.
rdiddy, When I have more I will post more as we go along.! Questions in general, ask anyone on here.
Im newer to the site and keep hearing about the summit, wouldn’t mind info on it aswell if that’s ok.
(Edited) You Answered my question before I asked it.
If I can make it Ian, I wouldn’t be able to stay for the Allouettes game, now if they were playing my Blue Bombers I would maybe reconsider. Looking forward to finalizing the trip and meeting you and all the rest of the gang Ian.
Cheers, thanks again for all your work on this matter.
Still have to inquire about my vacation time this year (may not have any) but I should know soon enough, hope to be there Ian.
We’ll be going to see the Als play the Bombers in Sept for my birthday so we’d give the game a pass and head back on the 30th. Definitely in for the rest of the festivities, though! Fingers crossed for that block of tickets, Ian.
I like the sound of an Als game. I’d be down.
MaxPac will raise 2 Stanley Cups in his career to show Chara that his is worth nothing.
3rd year in a row not in town at summit time.Bummer ! Out west at that time. Maybe next year.Mtl – Bos woulda been fun !
Did Ryan White sign yet?
No but he’s been qualified, so it’s only a matter of time.
Nothing we need to worry about.
Bugs likes Ryan White,says he is Psycho.
I don’t know, three years and $10.5M ($3.5M cap hit) or 4 years and $15M($3.75M cap hit) seem like extremely reasonable contracts to me (maybe a bit generous, but definitely acceptable). If Gorges wants more than that he’s ridiculous and if PG is offering up less than that, or won’t agree to settle on that kind of amount, than he’s just lowballing.
I dont get how Gauthier could offer give Erik Cole $4.5M/year but can’t come to terms with Gorges (Don’t get me wrong, I was lobbying that Erik cole should be the player the habs should target, but even I was shocked with the term/$ amount that PG gave him).
Gauthier has much more leverage with Gorges than he does with free agents who aren’t under an exclusive negotiating rights umbrella.
You really think Gorges should be making close to $4M? Wow…simply….wow.
Im not saying he SHOULD, I’m more saying that I could live with it. He’s a leader on this team, a top penalty killer, and taxes in Quebec are a pig (why we generally have to overpay players). I’d rather have a happy Josh Gorges, than force him into signing, let’s say, a 2 year $6M deal, and than losing him as a UFA in two years. He wants to play here, and is used to the pressure, so I can live with those amounts. If he wants more, he’s off his rocker.
Meh, I don’t think he deserves anything over 3….and if he’s unhappy, he can let another team pay him close to $4M. He can easily be replaced.
With what? If you think he’s so expendable please provide some examples of players who are available that replace his leadership, versatility and defensive ability.
I’m not going to get into it with a biased koolaid sipper.
If you think a guy who brings nothing offensively, gets creamed along the boards and can’t clear the net…is worth close to $M then so be it. I don’t.
There’s enough leadership on the team to compensate for Gorges’ departure. His defensive ability is above average. His offense ability is bad, His versatility? How exactly is he versatile? He can’t play on the PP. He’s a smaller, defensive D-man who plays well positionally and is a hard worker. He still struggles to move guys from in front of the net and gets creamed along the boards.
A guy like that’s worth $4M? Just wait till Yemelin and Subban require new contracts.
A biased kool-aid sipper?
Think whatever you want. If you want to unfairly label people and make presumptions based on your short sighted conclusions, you’ll quickly run out of people to have conversation with.
If you think Gorges can be replaced easily, I’m not sure what team you’ve been watching. He is as close to a sure thing at preventing goals as anyone not named Markov on the team. Read Basu’s article – Gorges was on the ice during 96.1% of their penalty kills in the 2010 playoffs. I suppose we could have used Spacek to take his place, or Picard, Mara, Sopel, Hamrlik, the Wiz (who is a giveaway machine) or one of the other all-world penalty killers on the roster.
2 more things need to be factored in as well: first is that Gorges has said that compensating for his knee threw his hip way out of whack affecting his stride. He says he’s already much quicker than he’s ever been. The other thing that I never see mentioned is that at the beginning of last season (before his knee started acting up so much) he started trying far more in the offensive zone than he ever did before. He was becoming much more involved in the offense. My fearless prediction is that his points production is going to increase sharply this year.
When you add his obvious leadership qualities and that he positively bleeds bleu, blanc & rouge, it makes for a fairly unbeatable package. I think you’re going to see a 5 or 6 year deal for right around the $3M or $3.25 mark. Given that he wants to stay and Gauthier stated very publicly and emphatically before the surgery that Gorges is part of the team’s long term plans, it’s just a matter of working out the details. This is never going to get to arbitration.
@Myron – Gorges was also adamant that his shot had improved from a lot of work he’d done with Bergeron in the prior season. And while his point totals didn’t reflect that, he was being used on the powerplay when Markov went out with injury.
@Tom – my thinking is that you’re going to see Markov & Weber as the first power play unit, Subban & Gorges as the second unit. Weber has a rocket and should be deadly with Markov teeing them up for him. Likewise, Gorges steadiness would allow Subban to gamble even more on the PP.
Gorges is an undrafted player who was acquired by trade and developed under numerous coaching staffs here. The organization has nurtured his development and he’s handled it appropriately. There’s a great relationship there. I don’t think he’ll feel low-balled by any reasonable offer and he certainly isn’t the type of man to start pouting over a few dollars and cents. He is important to the team as you say but I don’t think a contract negotiation is going to alienate him.
Taxes aren’t a pig. For people in the upper brackets like these guys it’s a pretty small difference between Ontario and Quebec and now Manitoba.
Playing and living in Alberta, BC and the US may be better at tax time for guys with decent financial advisors and accountants certainly.
Gorges will be signed with in a week. Long term. Whats the skinny on Yemelin? Been hearing hab fans are going to be surprised by this guy.
Yemelin is a stay at home defenseman. Good skater and hard nosed. Last year in KHL he found his offensive game scoring 11 goals and 15 assists for 26 points. He also had 117 penalty mins in 52 games. Tough player and a little dirty. 6 ft 2 225 lbs.
Oh yeah he recently played for the Russian National team a few times in the World Championships(2007/2010/2011).
Team Defence wins Championships…
Both Ryan Callahan and Brandon Dubinsky went for arbitration. It could be that the Rangers have a hard time affording both of them now that they’ve signed Brad Richards.
I’d love to see the Habs nab Dubinsky. C’mon PG. Eat some meat.
They can’t acquire them prior to the arbitration hearing Dave.
Several teams are going to be challenged with signing their RFA’s and will be either having to move them or other reguliars to get cap and/or roster space. Maybe PG can find a good deal there.
I was thinking that for the right price, and if the Habs wanted him. Mike Green would probably be available from Washington.
It wouldn’t relieve the Caps of much salary, but if they could sneak Fehr out of there I would like him for our 3rd/4th line. Big Body and some decent hands.
I read that Boyle is also available (RFA). He would fit in perfectly. Sather owes us one anyway.
I just read the Bird Article.What is wrong with it.He chastised the public for their ignorance and rudeness and pointed out the role of the modern day monarchy.
This was on point as this is just another black eye of embarrassment on Montreal.Similar to those Morons who Boo the American National Anthem,that idiocy goes back to the ’70’s.
Now before you get all up in arms,I am not a Monarchist or an Anglophile,just a mature adult with manners and common decency.
No surprise with HFS72. He is Quebecois and a soft nationalist but apparently very anti the English Monarchy. Now I am sure if that was the Queen of France he’d be gushing. Except that the French did away with their Monarchy some time ago.
picard has signed with the penguins on a 1 year two way contract.
Anybody remember last year when y’all were pooping bricks at this time because Carey still hadn’t signed a contract? Good times!
Glad to hear that both Gorges & the Habs are just taking this all in stride, and that both want a deal done. By the sounds of things, both want a long-term deal done. I’m pleased by that news.
I wouldn’t be surprised if PG has Gorges signed by the end of week, now that the free agent frenzy in claming down. Unless of course hes planning something big, in which case we might have to wait a bit.
I’m with you on that one. Almost certainly they’ll get it done by the 15th.
We need stability with Carey and having Gorges on the penalty kill is key. Especially if PG is gonna try and find an enforcer, as if an enforcer would be willing to basically be the only tough guy on ice ala Laraques. Wasn’t that one of Georges complaints was he was fighting for a team that had no passion? It’s like beating up the pathetic wimp in school, its no fun. Goon hockey needs goons and we have a very few goons. In fact our defense avg height is now 6 feet tall. No wonder it was easy for Boston to own Carey Price. One tough guy unless he a defenseman is not gonna push the Charra’s of the world away from Carey. No wonder Marchaund had free reign to pass to Krejci! See, you build a wimpy forward line that gets pushed aside, and add to that a small defense complement (never mind Gil for now) I’m talking about 60 minutes of hockey here. At any rate, even we all have to agree, Don Cherry was right when he said the Habs need to bufff up, both in size and grittiness, but they also needed one good scorer is what he said, remember that? And he said no disrespect to Cammy’s skills, but Montreal needs a solid scorer.
This team still has plenty of cap space I say sign Stamkos (7.5 mill/yr) or Doughty (6.5/yr) and give up the draft picks, they aren’t worth anything compared to either of two 21 year old stars.
There’s too much of a taboo in the league with handing out offer sheets, Pg will never do it. Besides it will kinda put a target on our own two franchise players going on RFA status next year.
I would break the taboo for franchise stars not even in their primes yet. There have been a few offersheets, Kevin Lowe for Thomas Vanek & Dustin Penner, Burke overpaid for Kessel. Kessler got offer sheeted by the Flyers, Fedorov by the Hurricanes, Backes by Vancouver, Hjalmarsson by the Sharks. I would pay even 8.5 for Stamkos and bury Gomez in the minors if he can’t be moved.
Four 1st rd picks isn’t too much for a franchise player IMO.
As for Subban and Price, PG should get them locked up by training camp or during the season, there’s no reason they should be RFA’s come next July.
Chance that Tampa Bay doesn’t match a $7.5 M offer sheet for Stamkos = Zero. Ditto for Los Angeles and Doughty.
Both Tampa Bay and Los Angeles have more cap space than the Habs do. And I sincerely doubt either guy sticks it to his team by signing an offer sheet for such a low amount.
With the salary cap now at $64.3 millon, the maximum annual salary a player can be offered for this coming season is $12.6 million. Stamkos and Doughty are the faces of their respective franchises…I suspect they are angling for salaries at or near the biggest in the league unless they are offered ridiculously long-term deals.
Given the taxation situation in Quebec, Stamkos and Doughty are pipe dreams for Habs fans, unless they come over via trade. The premium the Habs would have to offer either guy to make the salary comparable to what they can get in Florida (no income tax) or California would put them right up near that maximum salary limit, which is far, far too rich for the Habs.
if stamkos was given an offer sheet it would have to be at the league max around 12.8 million to have any chance…
Chris you and Habs001 are right forgot about the tax situation.
I guess the only way to get either is to offer up whatever it takes to their respective teams. MTL has some decent prospects Tinordi, Leblanc, Kristo, Max Pac, etc package them with draft picks for the rights to Stamkos or Doughty. Then I figure they’ll sign for under 8/season.
As for other teams cap space, Tampa Bay isn’t making $ hand over fist like MTL is, not sure if they want to spend to the cap. Really cap space can be made, Gomez & Spacek can be moved if the situation was necessary.
I know it’s unlikely we get either but imagine a core of Stamkos, Subban & Price or Doughty/Subban on the PP.
Somewhat off-topic, but after reading this column by one Ted Bird (never heard of him – I gather he’s a minor celeb), I will never again accuse Jack Todd of unprofessionalism or petulance. Mr Todd is Woodward, Bernstein and Joseph Pulitzer rolled into one compared to this guy.
Think Ted Bird is a kinda wryly (or is it “ryely”) off-the-wall broadcaster from CHOM. Gotta say I read the article and didnt think was too bad… mind if i ask what upset you about it? I am assuming the link is correct and the article is about the royal visit protest?
Only question I had was if PG had that lost tribe properly scouted… you know diamond in the rough stuff!
Whats the problem? Don’t like the royals?
Who does? One isn’t born into greatness, they need to earn it. Not everyone has a rich family that is automatically launched into celebrity.
I would disagree somewhat with this assessment. It is not at all rare for people to be born into privilege.
The various royals around the globe are often the focal point, but at least they carry some responsibilities and do something with their fame. Contrast that with somebody like Paris Hilton, Nicole Richie or any of the other countless socialites that are the sons and daughters of the rich and famous bankers, CEO’s, manufacturing moguls, media stars, etc.
My own personal experience is that the people that are often the loudest at protesting about how one has to work hard to get ahead are the ones that were themselves born into privilege and are so entitled that they can’t see the hypocrisy of their own beliefs.
Can anyone else feel it? We’re going to be getting some big news today!
Would be fun!
Ladd seems verry verry happy to be re-signed in WPG. He and his wife both have ties there. Expect a jump in performance 2011-2012.
Good Morning people. Good Morning to health care professionals everywhere!
Spent yesterday at Ottawa Civic, family member undergoing major surgery. The doctor was outstanding. The nurses etc were amazing. The volunteers incredible. Shout out to Ottawa Civic.
All is going well!
May not seem right but, between the long unavoidable wait periods and finger-crossing nervousness, I eased the nerves by walk or two around the corridors and a visit/post or two to HIO. Kinda took the stress away reading and laughing at the threads. I remember my wife at the ‘any day now stage’ and boston-playing montreal in 1979 playoffs game 7 and thinking myself such an idiot for focussing on the damn game .. worked out well though LOL.
Hope gorgeous Gorge gets signed and PG lands another free agent.. especially my Irish warrior O’Brien.
A. Basu detailed the arguments for Gorges.. wow he may have the Canadiens over a barrel here.
Oh Yea SK74 going to arbitration. I am surprised!
Thanks for the shout out! Was my wife under surgery (not me) … and she’s doing great.
I NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH PYATT
The only way he will score 15 goals in one season is if 3/4 of them are empty-net goals.
How are you going to get 12-15 goals shooting the puck on the goalie’s crest every time.
He worked his butt off skating up and down the ice but genreally he sucked.
If Pyatt wants to last in this league, he needs to get stronger. He’s far too soft for a 4th line player. Great speed and very good defensively….that just isn’t enough to last in this league, though.
you got it bang on solomio.
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