Jacques Martin weighs in

The Canadiens coach – until Pierre Gauthier fired him – was on L’Antichambre Thursday night.
Martin joined fellow former (and fired) coaches Guy Carbonneau, Mario Tremblay and Michel Therrien to chew over the departure of the Canadiens’ general manager.
Martin said the current roster is “better than we think”.

While P.J. Stock predictably characterized the Canadiens as “a team in trouble”, Martin listed the Canadiens’ core assets: Carey Price in goal, P.K. Subban and Josh Gorges on defence, the David Desharnais forward line … i.e. the six guys who start every game for Martin’s successor, Randy Cunneyworth.

Martin also mentioned a healthy Andrei Markov, Rapahel Diaz and Alexei Emelin, a line of Tomas Plekanec, Brian Gionta and a new winger and promising youngsters in Lars Eller and Louis Leblanc.

“The team has to add pieces,” Martin concluded. “But the key elements are in place.”

Martin, who was general manager of the Florida Panthers before Bob Gainey lured him north to coach the Canadiens, also suggested he’d like to be interviewed by Serge Savard for the vacant GM’s position. He thinks a new GM should be in place a month before the June 22 draft.

Tremblay favors player agent Pat Brisson for the Canadiens’ GM job. Carbo likes Julien BriseBois.

Dave Stubbs on Geoff Molson’s D-day

• Here’s Pat Hickey’s list of candidates

Michael Farber weighs in

Bruce Arthur’s take

Stu Hackel: What now for the Canadiens?

• The lists of Richard Labbé and Renaud Lavoie

The people’s choice: Patrick Roy

• Eric Duhatschek: Don’t expect magical turnaround

Bob Gainey’s failed rebuild


  1. Mr. Biter says:

    Tony Soprano for G.M. then there would be no problems about certain players retiring early for “Health Concerns”.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  2. habsfan0 says:

    I can’t believe that Jacques Martin is being considered for GM of the Habs, that this would be considered a “step forward” for the team.

    The only way that this would be a “step forward”, is that if hired as GM,JM promises to dump his pencil and notepad in favour of an iPad.

  3. Hobie Hansen says:

    It is great for people on here to put their reasons forward as to why this guy or that guy should be hired as the next GM but I can guarantee not one comment is even close to being accurate.

    Maybe one tiny character trait posted here is accurate or an observation about a certain candidate but that possibly makes up 1% of what Savard or Molson will be even paying attention to.

    We all love to play armchair quarterback on here, that’s what this site is for, but we should seriously stick to commenting on players we’ve seen play 1000 times or what happened in last night’s game.

    Not one person here, especially not me, can even come close to analyzing the talent level of any potential GM the Canadiens are looking over. Molson and Savard would die laughing if they saw this page.

    • thorandresson says:

      Well put, I was thinking the same thing.

    • Cal says:

      Let’s hope there’s no dying going on until AFTER the new GM is named. This team has been snake-bitten enough this season, thank you!

    • Ton says:

      its all in fun…its not just winning games its what the fans want to hear its also about PR and getting good return on investment> promoting the product that counts>beer> so many things……winning however gets you more home dates therefore its really a big picture that is beyond us> your right in your comments.

      • ont fan says:

        We all have our ideas, if we were in charge..some want little changes others want revamp..if there is a 5 year process for the new GM, anyone he drafts or trades for will be for 3 years from now. So this draft day, in my opinion, will be of major importance.

    • TomNickle says:

      You’re very wrong here Hobie. Let’s look at some candidates.

      Julien Brisebois – Cap guy with a law degree who is great with numbers and negotiation. He has limited experience in talent and roster evaluation.

      Vincent Damphousse – Former Canadiens captain with no experience managing a roster at any level. No scouting experience. Worked as an NHLPA executive briefly with Mathieu Schneider so he’s well versed in league administration.

      The list goes on and on. People are for the most part speaking accurately of potential GM’s credentials because their experiences are well documented. For example, when Steve Yzerman touts Brisebois he doesn’t say that he has twenty years of experience. We know what experience he has.

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah, after they read the articles written by the people who know what they are talking about 😉

        • TomNickle says:

          Haha. I know what you’re saying but that much isn’t even required. You don’t need to read articles to get a handle on somebody’s experience in their current and former roles.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Tom those are just generalized comments that we’ve heard spit out by guys like Darren Dreger a couple hundred times.

        I know you’re not writing a newspaper column here but you should site a person as your reference when you make those comments or do you know this first hand from going out for beers with some NHL executives or from sitting with some scouts at the bell center.

        I could put headphones in and listen to Sports radio all afternoon and just spew out what Pierre Lebrun or Bob Mckenzie say.

        • TomNickle says:

          No Hobie. All you have to do is read up on them yourselves. I’m not citing Darren Dreger when I speak of somebody’s credentials. I research that much myself.

          These guys have prominent careers and their experience is well documented in a number of different ways. Not articles by Sean Gordon, Pat Hickey, Darren Dreger or Bob McKenzie.

          I’ll give you an example. The man I want to see as GM of this team is Jarmo Kekalainen. How many times have you heard or seen his name thrown out there as a candidate? I’m guessing none. I’ve done my own research on the man and I feel he’s best qualified to lead this team into the future if the goal is to become a perennial contender.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Cool, have you met him many times? Have you seen him in action? Have you ever worked with him before? Have you spoken to a lot of people who’ve worked with him?
            What do the players say in person about him?

            Tom I know you’re a smart hockey guy and I enjoy reading your comments and chatting with you and it is possible that an NHL executive might say you’re an intelligent fan but as I said in my original comment…you really have zero idea except for a nutshell comment from a hockey analyst or website.

          • thorandresson says:

            Could you give us a summary of what you’ve found out about this Jarmo dude?

          • TomNickle says:

            I appreciate the comments Hobie and let me reiterate. I’m not relying one iota on a report of Jarmo Kekalainen by any hockey analyst. I have one personal connection who has worked with the man, though not for a long period of time.

            I know his experience, his roles and what he’s accomplished in them. That doesn’t make him the right candidate. What I know of him makes him my ideal candidate. And I’m also not saying the Habs should hire him.

            When you know what a person has done you can examine their body of work within that role and draw your own conclusions. That’s what I do.

            And that is the reason you won’t see me yelling for Jim Nill to be this team’s GM. And it’s the same reason that you didn’t see me saying Yzerman should have been named our GM when Gauthier was.

    • boing007 says:

      ‘Molson and Savard would die laughing if they saw this page.’

      Yeah, I bet they would. They are the Know-It-Alls. Sure. Doesn’t speak well to them in my opinion. Maybe they aren’t as passionate as their fan base. I’d also bet that some of their fan base is more knowledgable then they are. As well, there have already been restrictions imposed on the qualifications that the GM must possess. That narrows their choices quite a bit. Not a good start.

      Richard R

    • RGM says:

      Heaven forbid the fans have discussions about their preferences on this, a discussion forum.

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
      “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

      Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  4. krob1000 says:


    lol…Damien Cox using his role to try and alter the draft projections….the article is “could Yakupov fall to 5th” lol

    • Stev.R says:

      Sounds more like he’s trying to sell papers to dumb optimistic Torontonians.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I don’t mind Cox but that article is a waste of time.

      Yakupov is the consensus #1 pick based on everything I’ve read as well as informal polls of scouts (by people like Bob McKenzie). If Columbus passes on Yakupov because he’s Russian, so be it. They will either trade the pick or let him drop to #2. But if they are going to trade their star player this summer, shouldn’t they be thinking about grabbing the next big thing?

      If Columbus takes a Dman or Forsberg/Faska over a Russian then they are even in worse shape than any of us ever thought.

  5. Stev.R says:

    Roy and Mcguire get support because they are the most well known names. People associate fame with success or quality. It’s unfortunate that most people don’t know any GM’s (but honestly, why should they?) or what a GM really does. TomNickel, tell me what a GM does.

    • TomNickle says:

      The duties of the General Manager are almost exclusively limited to determining organizational need. What’s integral, expendable and needed.

      Pro Scout handles who to acquire fitting the GM’s vision.
      Amateur Scout handles the best players to draft.
      Hockey Ops director negotiates contracts.
      Business Ops director handles marketing and sales.

  6. H.Upmann says:

    The team is better than you think when you don’t play Cole on the PP… Or give Gomez big minutes.

  7. Bill says:

    In response to one of the articles above, there is no way that Gauthier is the most-despised Canadiens executive of all time. In recent memory, nothing matches the visceral hatred many felt for Ron Corey, or the derisive contempt for Houle. Certainly not for me.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  8. HabFanSince72 says:

    Two other retirements that happened yesterday at death-spiraling Canadian institutions:

    – RIM shares rise after Jim Balsillie quits

    – Much loved Jazz radio host Katie Malloch retires from the CBC.

    Balsillie was forced to leave. Malloch retired rather than continue being forced to play lame ass jive by the philistines who run CBC Radio.

    No matter. I dare say our Habs will rebound better than RIM or the CBC.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  9. Stev.R says:

    Hickey’s article says that PG’s biggest mistake was letting Martin go

    • Timo says:

      yep, hickey’s just getting better and better with age, doesn’t he?

    • TomNickle says:

      Going into this season with Diaz, Weber, Emelin and Campoli as regulars on defense was his biggest mistake by a mile.

      I don’t know how anyone expected this team to compete for a playoff spot with that much inexperience on defense.

      • Phil C says:

        Agreed, the defense was a disaster this year, and it should have been obvious. Even if Markov had been healthy, they would have been one or two d-men short of competing.

    • Bill says:

      The optics were bad. I was all in favour of firing Martin, but I always said it should be done at season’s end. Mid-year when you’re two points out isn’t ideal. It’s especially bad when you don’t have a clear direction after: hiring an “interim” coach said he was essentially writing the year off anyway.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Stev.R says:

        I just assumed that everyone was already writing the year off at that point.

      • thorandresson says:

        Yes, but chances are that the team’s record would be better under Martin, and I think they might’ve made the playoffs, look at Buffalo, not so long ago they were below the Habs in the standings and under JM they were a couple of points out of the playoffs…

        My point being, had JM stayed, the Habs would probably not be in the lottery.

  10. TomNickle says:

    I find it very amusing that Pierre Mcguire’s support for a GM post by his friends in the media is justified by knowledge of every player in the World.

    First of all, that’s untrue. A tremendous amount of anyone’s perceived knowledge of hockey players is hearsay. Second, since when is knowledge of hockey players an integral qualification to becoming the General Manager for a professional sports organization?

    Tell me he knows how to negotiate contracts, point to his work as a scout and cite specific gems he found, show me anything resembling success as a head coach at any level and I’ll buy in.

    Don’t tell me he knows the players. I know people who know the players who are ridiculously under qualified for so much as a Director of Scouting position with a junior club.

    Edit: Before Nick Cousins was drafted to Sault St. Marie and then subsequently to the Philadelphia Flyers I watched him play a Minor Midget AAA semi final game against Barrie. I called a friend and said he’d make the NHL. He signed his first pro contract this week.

    Maybe I should be GM.(joke).

  11. Captain aHab says:

    In my GM application below someone asked me if I had a parrot. The answer is yes and in an odd/ironic twist of fate, he calls everyone Mister but only eats meat.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  12. Dr.Rex says:

    Does any of teh radio/TV personalities actually believe McGuire would make a successful GM in terms of performance on teh ice and bringing back the winning culture to the Franchise? OF COURSE NOT! They want their buddy to get the job so they can have th einside scoop and make air waves. ITs all about haveing the connections in broadcasting and improving your own position on the totem pole.

  13. boing007 says:

    Yahoo! has Gorges listed at 200 pounds, Hockey DB 190 and Wikipedia 210 pounds.

    Richard R

    • ths says:

      Thats why Yahoo is dieing. Look at what the iCloud has him listed as. That will be the only thing still here when his contract expires

      Ooh Aah Kaberle in the dole queue

  14. ths says:

    Interview question #24 – what do you plan to with Gomez and Kaberle? I think Roy would answer this question by saying “I would break their ankles and head before practice Monday morning” This coupled with his ego and experience in winning anywhere would have me say you can exclude the NHL management experience card when it comes to him. He has already proven himself

    Ooh Aah Gauthier on the dole queue

  15. Dr.Rex says:

    IT was amazing how often Kaberle’s name came up yesterday when discussing Goat’s dismissal. I think there is still shock among many that he made that trade. IT goes against everything that is the salary cap world in todays game. A capologist would have smoke coming out of his ears when being approached about that trade.

    • habs03 says:

      I know, what a complete fail by the media, 4.25M for 2 years, is 6.65% of a 64M cap. If the cap goes up to 70M as reported that contract is even better for a 40-45 point 4-5 D-men. Heck you can even trade him by next year trade deadline for a better return than Spacek, before anyone says some crap like “he has zero value”, look how Marek Zidlicky and see that the Wild got for him, worst than Kaberle, contracts almost the same, and look at the return he got.

  16. John Q Public says:

    Staubitz for GM!!!


  17. Dr.Rex says:

    LEts hire a GM that cant speak french or english. MY suggestion would be Felipe Alou.

  18. Habfan10912 says:

    Scott Gomez made trip with club to New York. Hopefully they will leave him there.

  19. volcano62 says:

    Hakkan Anderson is the next General Manager. Read all about him:


    • HabinBurlington says:

      The part where he is quoted as saying “I made a better fishing guide than a scout” does concern me slightly…. perhaps i am cynical.

      • volcano62 says:

        True but I like this: Andersson, based in Stockholm, Sweden, scouts all over Europe including Sweden, Finland, the Czech Republic, and Russia, and has been responsible for the Red Wings drafting Tomas Holmström, Valtteri Filppula, Henrik Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, Johan Franzen, and many others

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yah, just found it funny. He is clearly a big part of Detroit’s success, equally is the role Jim Nill has played. I would love if we could steal him, but Detroit wouldn’t let him go to Toronto, I suspect they would say the same to us.

  20. ed lopaz says:

    Gorges and Markov shared some nice comments about Gainey.

    The key word for me was “approachable”. They said Gainey was always approachable.

    Funny, not one player came out and said that about Martin.

    Martin was exactly the opposite – everyone knew it – especially the players and the media.

    Isn’t obvious to everyone by now that in 2012 the way to coach millionaire hockey players who are barely old enough to vote and drive,

    is by being “approachable”.

    is by being a coach that has his door “open”,

    able to communicate effectively with his players,

    able to show some flexibility, some understanding, some

    compassion that he is coaching real people,

    not just X’s and O’s on a chalk board.

    I am shocked that people don’t see this.

    Ask the players – Price, Subban, Paccioretty, Eller, etc – the key players on this team, the “core”,

    what they thought of Martin, his old school ways, and his “my way or the highway” attitude

    when it comes to leadership, Martin was a HUGE FAILURE!!

    Mr. Hickey – with all due respect – I would love for Martin to take Stu Cowan’s job for the next 10 months and see how you react.

    I think, Mr. Hickey, you would not appreciate being treated the way Martin treated his players.

    Gauthier’s “biggest mistake” was NOT firing Martin.

    Gainey’s biggest mistake was hiring Martin to “lead” this team 3 years ago.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree with your post 100%, especially the PG not firing JM part. Had he done that after last season’s 2 game to none collapse, I think with the right coach, PG is still our GM. Whether or not that is better is another matter.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ed, as usual I agree 100% with your post. Martin made some idiotic decisions. Darche over Cole and everyone over Emilim as two examples.

    • Phil C says:

      Cunneyworth has been praised by Price and others for being approachable and being a good communicator. I would rather give Cunneyworth another chance with a complimentary assistant coach with some offensive knowledge to see what he can do rather than bring Martin back. And a summer’s worth of french lessons included of course. I mean, what does he have to learn, maybe two hundred words to survive a hockey interview?

      More likely is that the new GM will want his own guy anyway.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I agree completely re: Martin.

      As far as Gainey being approachable – that’s nice. But this is his train wreck make no mistake.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  21. habs03 says:

    I full trust Molson to hire the best guy for the job, taking into consideration the language issue, but I just pray, dearly, that McGuire is not hired, the guy is a clown, 20/20 hindsight in all his analysis, hasn’t worked in the NHL at any role for almost 20 years, and when he did, as coach of the Whalers, other teams player would make fun of him during games.

  22. mr dave says:

    does any body think pierre mcguire would be better as an assistant gm , maybe help out the eventual head gm. with his hockey knowhow, ie/ players he should be considerd
    the habs have 24 cups I have 24 beers

  23. FanCritic says:

    it’s funny people are still saying injuries is the reason we’re not in the playoffs. pittsburg had the best hockey player in the world out of their lineup plus other injuries and they’re in the playoffs

    lets face it with or without injuries we don’t have it. with a healthy team at best we’d be gone in the second round. enough of the excuses. it’s time we put a real team in Montreal and I hope our new GM and coach can do that if for no other reason the fans. Habs fans are the best in the world and they deserve it.
    Right Mr. Molson and by the way try and get more good french players not enough on this team. I want the flying Frenchmen back with pride for the CH on their jersey……

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      What´s really funny is people talking about excuses when it comes to injuries. Even a healthy Habs team would have been no contender but probably good enough to make the playoffs. A healthy Markov from November on would have made a big difference. Just look at the poor PP and the many close games this team lost.

      Pittsburgh also really struggled at one point but overall they have the better team and the much better head coach.

      People like you always whine and complain but let´s be serious. This Habs team isn´t bad, it´s just not very good. When a team like this has a bad and very unlucky start to the season, is hit with the most injuries of all teams and replaces a slighty above average head coach with a bad one it misses the playoffs.

      Maybe you and others prefer black and white thinking and call my points excuses. I think these in fact are simple explanations.

  24. Timo says:

    Where is the world championship this year? (hockey)

  25. Jimmy9Toes says:

    Just a crazy trade idea. Gomez and Kaberle to TBL for Vinnie. I know you guys will think i am crazy and sometimes i am, but TBL would go for it because both Gomez and Kaberle are off of the books in 2 more years and Vinnie has what 6 left on his contract i think.

  26. TomNickle says:

    A quick yes or no question to the masses.

    Who believes that all of the following players will be Habs next season?



    • HabinBurlington says:

      I will take the lame route Tom say don’t know until I see who the new GM is.

      Having said that, I think 1-2 of those players will be traded.

      • TomNickle says:

        I’m just trying to make the point that believing all of those players will be back next season is fool hearted.

        Nobody on the roster is safe.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I think they all will be.
          It’s the ones who aren’t on that list who are most likely to be traded.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah we’ll just trade all of our least desirable players for 5th round picks or fringe prospects and do nothing to move forward.

            See my reply to Habsrule1

        • HabinBurlington says:

          If our new GM is truly focused on winning a Stanley Cup with this team, I think the reality is that our talent is geared towards winning in 2-3 years at the earliest. THerefore, some veterans will be moved in order to make room for what is coming up the pipeline.

        • boing007 says:


          Richard R

    • Habsrule1 says:

      The only one I can see going is Plekanec. I can see us packaging him with Weber and/or Diaz and maybe a prospect or pick for a #1 centre. Easier said than done though.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • TomNickle says:

        You have a harsh dose of reality coming.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          Tom, you are a good poster that I usually enjoy, but making your posts sound like gospel is very unbecoming. The fact that you believe huge changes are coming does not make it so. I actually missed Gionta on that list though. I would not be surprised to see him go either.
          You might be right, but I believe that the changes will be important but less significant than you do.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • TomNickle says:

            It isn’t meant to be gospel. It’s the nature of the business. Show me a GM change that’s occurred in the last 50 years that didn’t result in several core members being moved. One time would suffice.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            I have no idea. What huge moves did PG do when he got in?

            If he trades Gionta & Plekanec, those are pretty big moves, aren’t they? I just don’t think they are part of the core so don’t feel they are the significant moves you are referring to. If they trade any of the ones I listed as the core, I’ll be surprised. That doesn’t mean it won’t happen or that I’d even be upset if it did, provided the team improves as a result.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • ont fan says:

      If you are older than 25, I think there is a chance you will be moved.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Going off your list only, I would package Gionta, Eller – and Price – and maybe Pleks for a male #1 center.

      That still probably would not be enough, and is probably not even possible.

      But the rest of your list I would keep. Cole is important for his work ethic on top of everything else he brings. PG’s best move.

      But as I and many have posted, you can’t trade cannon fodder players for stars, so some of your list will have to go, and it’s wise to do it whilst their value is high.

  27. Captain aHab says:

    Habs are gonna win tonight and lose tomorrow.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  28. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting read from Steve Hindle on a franchise going to Quebec City.

    Isn’t this where Patrick really wants go?

  29. Mattyleg says:

    Eessshhh… here’s a Hogtown collar-tugging moment:

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  30. volcano62 says:

    Hakkan Anderson is the next General Manager.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    Was very generous and kind of JM to offer his candidacy….

  32. Les Canayens says:

    Now to something serious: the voting for who’ll be on the cover of NHL13 is on: http://www.nhl.com/covervote

    Representing the Habs are Plekanec and Subban.

  33. LafleurGuy says:

    Am writing a book, “The Complete Idiot’s Guide on How to Choose a Hockey GM.” Your contributions are welcome!

    (Hope I don’t get banned)

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  34. Phil C says:

    Pierre McGuire practically did on on-air interview today on the Ottawa Team 1200 radio station. He is definitely a smart hockey man, but his lack of leadership experience would be a major concern. I think he would be great as an asst GM, or player development, etc, but not as a GM, IMO. Being in charge of people and managing a team is a very important aspect of the GM job so I would prefer someone with leadership experience in business or hockey. Here is a link to the pod cast. It should be the one on the top dated for 30 Mar.


  35. FanCritic says:

    JM should give his head a shake, the team is not as bad as we think. why are we in 28th place than? answer that one JM.

    • Captain aHab says:

      We should have been 27th?

      Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

    • Mattyleg says:

      With a fully-healthy team, we would have been playing for the top of our division.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Phil C says:

        You are probably right, but having organizational depth is important to success in the NHL. The Habs’ best players are fine, but their worst players are much worse compared to other teams. Pittsburgh has managed to have success despite many injuries. The farm is also pretty bare this year (although help is on the way). The previous management just let too many draft picks/prospects get away and failed to convert pending UFAs to assets. The Habs need to get back to having depth on the farm through keeping and acquiring more draft picks. They also need to pay more attention to its 3rd and 4th line players.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I had a feeling that someone would bring Pittsburgh into this.
          They have how many top draft picks playing for them?
          In addition to the Stanley Cup they won, those players also succeed in bringing other top players to the club. Look at Detroit for another example of how success attracts top players.

          The Boston Bruins are a good example of what I’m talking about. The year we finished 1st in the East, they just squeaked in to the playoffs. We’d dominated them in the season series, and they’d had one of the highest injury totals of the league that year. Just before the playoffs started, their injured players came back, and they took us to 7 games, and were tough as hell.

          Depth is great, but at a certain point, you can’t legislate for as many injuries as we’ve had. Plus, one of the reasons the farm is so bare is that the farmboys are playing in the big league!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HardHabits says:

        I have to laugh at all the Habologists here. Rather than realistically assess what actually happened or is happening people would rather dream about what ifs and what could have been.

        But then again, losing to the Bruins in Game 7 was actually a victory.

        • Mattyleg says:

          What I’m commenting on, your Royal H-ness is Martin’s comment that the team is not as bad as we think, which is an assessment I agree with for the reason I stated above.

          I have, and continue to, realistically assess what actually happened and what is happening.

          Myself, I have to laugh at all the Tankers who feel that our current placement in the standings somehow justifies the incessant moaning they subjected other posters to all season.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Um, no. Markov’s injury was a blessing in disguise, he would have covered up a lot of suckitude.

        The most important thing going forward is a clear definition of the vision of the team, what kind of team do we want to be. Then adjust our personnel accordingly.

        The JM vision of breaking players to his mold was a disaster. You can’t get Clydesdales to race, neither can you get Arabians to plow a field.

        We need a judicious blend that can adjust to the situation depending whom we are playing.

        We need a VISION, and the stones and cajones to build it.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Heh heh.
          If Markov was able to cover up so much suckitude that we made the playoffs, then I would be able to live with that kind of magic trick.

          Chara covered up so much suckitude last year that his team won the Cup!

          I agree that a clear vision is essential, and of your assessment of JM’s technique.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Stev.R says:

      When much of the team is filled with AHLers because the NHLers are injured for most of the season. It tends to skew the image of where the team is.

      Imagine two things:
      We had Gionta, Cammy, Moen, White, Markov all season long without them being injured. Do you think we would have scored more goals? Do you think our team would be better than with the AHLers?

      Imagine we weren’t playing 3 rookies and a sophmore on defence all season. Do you think our D would have been better? Do you think it would have made a difference having experienced NHLers on the back end.

      How many games did we lose by 1 goal? Or in overtime? Or in a shoot out. These two things could have helped just win half of those games, we’de be in a playoff spot.

      Injuries, and inexperience (both linked to an extent) are in my eyes the biggest factors (there are several) in this seasons lack of success

      • HABitual Fan says:

        I agree Stevo!
        We really aren’t as bad as our record. We competed in most games and we are really at the middle of the pack with all the horses in harness.

        “… but it’s still better than cheering for the Leafs!”

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You’re making the mistake of presuming that sliding into the playoffs is the goal. This is not close to an elite team and needs a lot of work.

        We can only afford one smurf, and that’s DD. Gionta can possibly bring some trade value. Of course the next GM will make these moves.

        What’s tragic is that all of this putsch should have happened last year after choking against Boston (yeah bring on the posts “We didn’t choke”).

        We wasted a year being delusional.

        I am thrilled that we get to start fresh with (we pray) a decent draft pick and some interesting young players.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      That’s a very simplistic way of seeing things: looking simply at the overall rankings. How good a hockey team is is more complicated than looking at that the standings during one season.

      Imagine if scouts looked exclusively at point totals during one year to determine how good a junior player might be in the NHL (and it so happens that this player suffered a major injury during the season… but that’s just an excuse, right), they’d be missing out on a huge part of the picture.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “JM should give his head a shake, the team is not as bad as we think. ”

      It’s obviously a dig at Cunnyworth.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  36. Captain aHab says:

    Funny how none of us know anything about being GMs and yet we keep picking who the right guy is for the job.

    My only requests are that he speaks to fans more than once a year, has the superability to call players by their given names, and eats enough protein to not look like a corpse.

    My needs are few.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  37. TomNickle says:

    I’ve posted an opinion on moves that I think a new GM will make. It was seen as what I think should happen.

    This is not the case. When new management teams are put into place in any business they change the culture. This is a fact.

    Fans of this team who have favourite players would be well advised to prepare for the strong possibility that some of our most skilled players are playing their last five games as Montreal Canadiens.

    I’m sorry to break this to the fan base, but not even Carey Price is assured of a spot on next season’s edition of the Montreal Canadiens.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Tom, you make an interesting point, but the reality is the new GM, whoever he may be, will be keeping a certain core because they asre not going to be able to sign and trade for 24 players. If the new GM isn’t smart enough to know who the core players on this team are, he won’t be the new GM.
      Love the scare tactics though.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • TomNickle says:

        Exactly my point. And we have no idea who the new GM and his staff will deem the core to be.

        • Habsrule1 says:

          The core is obvious. If the GM has any intention of trading Price, Subban, Emelin, Gorges, Pacioretty or Cole, he likely won’t be the GM. That’s my opinion but even if I’m wrong, there is still a core that Molson & Serge Savard know they want to keep. The new GM is not going to be given the job if he doesn’t share a certain vision for the team’s future.
          I know you can rebutt by saying maybe that’s not Molson’s core….but you must believe he has identified some players he intends to keep, so not anybody can be traded.
          I understand what you’re saying, but I just disagree on some levels.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • TomNickle says:

            The core of the Boston Bruins not too long ago was Joe Thornton, Glen Murray, Sergei Gonchar, PJ Axelsson and Andrew Raycroft.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Hell, Gretzky was traded, so if all you’re saying is anyone can be traded, that’s always been the case.
            It’s also a fact that some are less likely to be gone than others, is all.

            Go Habs Go!!

            “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

          • LA Loyalist says:

            I’m not going to mention anyone by name to make a point, but to get value in any trade teams have to match up their needs and strengths with other teams.

            A team needing a center but with two strong goalies needs to trade with a team needing a goalie but deep at center. While this seems obvious, the execution is difficult, especially with the cap.

            To say, “well we’re going to keep our good players and trade our bad ones” is moron logic because no one will trade with you. Who wants our crappy players? Seriously? At best you can swap head cases, a la The Tender One and Pouliot and pray. Or Cammi and Bourque. Such trades are legitimate because sometimes they work, but you need a lot of luck. And the alternative is what? You’re stuck with the headcase guy.

            Where it gets murky is knowing who is “good” and who is “bad” AND being able to extrapolate that into the future.

            Not an easy thing. We need to upgrade some critical positions. Assuming Markov is ok, we need a SERIOUS male #1 center. We need probably 2 Craig Ludwig / Rick Green types on D, and we need a real goalie to push Price (Malcolm Subban? Boy would that be fun)

            Then we need to work hard to re-stock Hamilton to ensure the future of the team as Leblanc, Tinordi, etc come on line.

            The improvements need to be with the top players. Shuffling 3rd and 4th line deck chairs, which we on HIO love to do, is a joke if the major needs aren’t met.

      • Stev.R says:

        I was thinking about this last night. Imagine if the new GM came in and completely shook things up. I imagined him trading Pleks, Gionta, Bourque, Eller, Kaberle, Gomez, Diaz, and Weber, and brought in Parise, Parenteau, Suter, Hubredeau or several other people.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Right on! Would really miss Carey, but he could net us a ….. Todd Bertuzzi type player. Which was worse, the Luongo trade or the McDonagh one (naming trades with the best player involved in said trade)?

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Molson mentioned specifically that the Habs had a good core of young players. I would be highly surprised if the new GM would be given permission to trade anybody from said core away. Makes no sense.

      Seriously, it’s kinda funny: when changes happen with the Habs, there’s always a post that goes straight to the jugular – let’s take one of the only positives this year, the good young core, and say that some of them might be traded (example of Price was used)… which would probably set the Habs back even further.

      These players (PK, Pacs and Price) are exactly what successful teams need – players who were drafted and developed by their organization and, not only that, they are good, impact players.

      • TomNickle says:

        I don’t disagree. And for the record, because apparently my saying that it wasn’t a desired course action didn’t sink in, that I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THE FOLLOWING PLAYERS TRADED.

        Carey Price
        PK Subban
        Josh Gorges
        Alexei Emelin
        Lars Eller
        David Desharnais
        Ryan White
        Louis Leblanc
        Erik Cole
        Max Pacioretty

        Everyone else is fair game in my book. K?

        And if you’re of the opinion that some people have points of view that go over the top, had you considered the irony in that you said that you doubt a new GM will be given authority to trade some of the young core players?

        That’s precisely one of the powers that GM’s have. I don’t know that there’s anyone who would accept the job if they didn’t have that authority, but I do know that if somebody took the job without being given that authority, they aren’t the right person for the job.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          The only players I absolutely don’t want to see traded are Price, Subban and MaxPac.

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          Yeah, sorry, I know that you’re saying what you think will happen and not what you think should happen. Still. I’m pretty sure after what was said yesterday that at this critical juncture the young core will not be traded.

          And yes, I know a GM has the authority to trade any player on the team, but I’m also pretty sure that any candidate who interviewed and said their vision for the Habs would involve trading players like Price, PK, Gorges, Pacs right off the bat… well, they wouldn’t be hired at all.

          • TomNickle says:

            Gorges is not a young core member of the team. He is a veteran leader.

            And that’s why it’s more likely than not that he’ll be traded.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        You guys can’t have it both ways.

        When we got almost nothing for Halak (sorry Eller, maybe one day), everyone says “Oh, well goalies are a glut, a commodity, you can’t get a good ROI.”

        But if we talk trading Price, you think we’re going to get Ryan Getzlaf back? (boy is that a cheap shot).

        And which goalie is going to the playoffs? My Chicago fan friends said Halak was unfreaking believable last night and looked playoff ready.

        My point is you can’t have it both ways.

        Enjoy the rodeo, Cary.

  38. bighabber says:

    Enough with the McGuire stuff, leave him in broadcasting where we can all continue to hate him. The more I read about these candidates the more I think Blair Mackasey is the right guy. A little off the radar, a real smart guy with a good hockey background, give him some help with the right people and he’ll be the best candidate. Most of the other candidates have too much baggage to do a good job. He’s even bilingual. Whoever is hired we need more than one or two guys to do what needs to be done to regain our past prestige as the best in hockey. Let’s hear some support for Blair!

  39. BoomBoom says:

    Typical Bert Raymond…always the anglo’s fault. The Bob Gainey era may have ended on a sad note but I would not characterize his 9 years as a failure. Considering where this franchise was when he took over, the Habs came back from a long way. Let’s not forget his personal tragedy…for everything he’s done as a player + GM, please some respect.
    That being said Gauthier had to go..in this modern communication age, you can”t have a gag order on everyone in the organization.
    I for one, don’t want Julien Brisebois..why because he is the assistant GM of crappy Tampa team (give me a break). Because Carbo thinks he would make a goof GM. Even more reason not to hire this guy. Carbo is still bitter (get over it already!) and not a very good coach. (failed as junior and under 18 coach). And please, no Andre Savard (I know Bert Raymond thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread) but the only job he found after leaving the Habs is assistant coach with the Pens.
    My choice, the assistant GM with the Hawks Bergevin. He’s been around the Bowmans, and has a ton of experience as both an amateur and pro scout.
    Let the new era of the Habs begin!

    C’est le but!

  40. Captain aHab says:

    Everyone is overlooking an obvious choice for both the GM and the coaching jobs: Chuck Norris. The mere threat of roundhouse kicks alone would make the league give us the Cup.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  41. 24 Cups says:

    A few random thoughts.

    – the new hire must speak French. That’s a reality.

    – Molson talked about Montreal’s class and core values. These foundations of the Hab brand have been eroding for many years now. It’s one thing to live off the past glories of the franchise but please let’s start looking forward to the 21st century. I’ve had enough nostalgia to last me a lifetime.

    – speaking of the past, I understand the present need for Serge Savard. I just hope that he is strictly here for the GM hiring process. He only remains on as an advisor if the new hire wants him to be HIS advisor. He can’t remain as an overseer to Molson. Savard’s most telling statement was when he mentioned the most admirable trait in a new GM would be his “judgement” ability. That speaks volumes to me.

    – Molson talked about trying to win the Cup. This is typical press conference bs as the ownership group tries to pacify the masses. However, I do feel it’s imperative that the club stops trying to scratch and claw it’s way to just making the playoffs. Nine years of that false hope is enough for any loyal Hab fan. The days of trying to wing it with a hail mary by finishing 7th or 8th have to end.

    – Having said that, let’s not make moves to do a quick turnaround so the team can try and make the playoffs next season. Do what needs to be done even if that means we miss out on another post-season.

    – The team doesn’t have to have a GM in place for the lottery draw. It’s just a glorified NHL bingo. There are lots of guys on the payroll doing nothing, so the team can send Carbo, Martin, Gomez or Laraque.

    – In terms of the GM post, how can anyone suggest names such as Damphousse, Brisson and Roy? They have no experience and would get eaten alive. It could well lead to another five years in the wilderness.

    – I also have to chuckle at the thought of Dale Tallon coming here. Why would he want to leave Florida just as the team is about to turn the corner? Tallon and Huberdeau for Gomez, Weber, Nashville’s 2nd rounder and the UFA rights to Moen and Darche. LOL.

    – Interview question #24 – what do you plan to with Gomez and Kaberle? If Gainey and Mr. Gauthier are the face of failure in the front office, then surely Scott Gomez is the face of failure on the ice. He has to be moved is such a way that the team fully recoups his cap space. Kaberle can stay until we know that Markov is 100%. I can even see him staying as a placeholder for Beaulieu. After that point in time, he’s gone.

    – Right now, the Habs are in position to take one of the top five draft picks. They would also get a pick in the #31-35 range. Molson, Savard or any new GM will have little factual knowledge about this year’s draft candidates. Especially the ones that come after the top ten. That means Timmins must stay on the payroll. His only one blunder has been Fischer, the rest of his picks have been decent.

    • habitual says:

      Yes, yes, yes, and yes.

      And a modified yes. If the coach is bilingual, there is an argument for the GM not having to be fluently french. My thinking is, that the daily interaction with the media, and therefore fans, is via the coach, not the GM.

      That would give an extra degree of flexibility to the choice of GM. I thought Molson was spot on when he pointed to the element of long term continuity in successful franchises. That means that there has to be as little compromise as possible for the GM position.

      And, I wouldn’t mind if the coach was Martin. We sure found out he wasn’t the problem, and I think he is right when he says there is a decent core to build upon.

      • 24 Cups says:

        The history of Quebec, a possible rival franchise in Quebec City and the comments of Savard and Molson on day one dictate that the new GM and coach will both speak French.

        To argue otherwise, strikes me as a waste of time.

        • boing007 says:

          If they are all French in Quebec why would it be necessary for them to be all French in Montreal? Quebec is a unilingual city, Montreal is multilingual. Throw some Greeks, Italians, Spanish, Asian, Poles and Hungarians (add your own preferences) in the mix.

          Richard R

    • TomNickle says:

      Instead of making the playoffs the goal. Winning the division should be the goal.

      If playoff excellence is the mandate, making the playoffs is a far better standard to strive for. Win the division, the rest takes care of itself.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Real good comments in there and I agree with most. If getting Tallon is at all a possibility then he should garner” front-runner” status. Obviously I don’t know the guy, but the prospect of running a marquis team as opposed to Fla must be intriguing. He has only 1 year in Fla so not a whole lot invested. In Mtl he would get to spend and deal to the cap ceiling, can’t have that in Fla. I don’t know the logistics of getting a GM from another team when he is under contract, maybe something like the Sutter thing in NJ a couple years ago?
      I would move Kaberle at the first opportunity. Take any kind of pick just to get him out, then give 3/4 of his salary to Jason Garrison (UFA) of the aforementioned Fla Panthers. This dude has a serious bomb from the point and seems reluctant to sign in Fla.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  42. HankHardball says:

    I agree with Martin’s evaluation that the team core is good. And they’re better than what their record showed this year.

    I suspect both the new GM & Coach could be Francophones with no experience at their positions at the NHL level.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if McGuire isn’t even interviewed.

  43. habs-fan-84 says:

    random thought which just occurred to me:

    since JM’s departure we only have 1 too many men on the ice penalty lol

  44. Captain aHab says:

    Well I’ve worked in communications all my life and am fluently bilingual. Plus I can dress like a pirate for events.

    Avast, me proud beauty! Wanna know why my Roger is so Jolly?

  45. kerrgte says:

    I believe that PG’s firing is a good thing.

    But Bog Gainey cannot be given the same failing grade. Bob Gainey turned the team around very effectively with the departure of Koivu, a great player who would never be good enough to win it all.

    Experts have agreed that nobody wanted to play in Montreal. Bob got Gomez because Lecavalier would not come. Only with Gomez signed could the team land other highly rated players, Gionta, Moen, Cammalerri and a few others.

    Remember that Gomez did well in the his first couple of seasons with us, and the team had excellent seasons and playoff records. Then Gomez’s game fell apart inexplicably.

    I believe with the return next year of Gionta and Moen with a couple of ufa additions, that our team will be highly competitive.

    Additionally, this is a team of which literally the sporting world expects excellence. Current ownership demands it – and will achieve it.

    The organization owes Bob Gainey a lot, he’s one of the greatest of all time, as a player and a manager, and deserves everyone’s utmost respect – let’s never forget that.

    Thanks Bob

    George Kerr, MBA

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Case of “what have you done for me lately?”
      Two spring’s ago, we were in ecstasy with the team’s Halakian efforts in toppling the mighty Capitols (who haven’t been the same since) and the defending champion Penguins. Sidney Crosby was also just two months removed from his Golden Goal and Olympic Victory!

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Lecavalier would not come?

      My understanding is the trade was vetoed by the league.

      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  46. LafleurGuy says:

    To fellow posters who are confusing coaching duties with general management duties, among many other things, overseeing a strong scouting department is vital to success and something that coaches do not have to bother with. That’s why there is such an eclectic mix of candidates which for frivolity sake can be divided into two groups, those who can skate, and those who …….are bilingual (kidding). Choosing to be uncommunicative is an option for the GM, but not so for the head coach. There are other majors differences in attributes for these two different jobs, but I thought it worthwhile to bring up the point.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  47. Les Canayens says:

    We’re lucky our owner is not Charles Wang. Because if he is, we all know who will be our next GM: Peter Budaj, the backup goalie.

  48. TomNickle says:

    Moves I believe will happen when a new GM is appointed regardless of who it is.

    1. Gomez to Hamilton – this one goes without explanation

    2. Kaberle traded – despite what the Toronto media would have fans believe there would be a market for a puck moving defenseman.

    3. Plekanec traded – The Habs have gotten the most they ever will from him, and it hasn’t gotten them anywhere. He isn’t a first line centreman who can get a team over the hump and with Eller and Desharnais continuing to develop it’s time, under a new regime to find out if they’re more capable of elevating their games.

    4. Gorges traded – A culture change is coming, and regardless of whether or not you agree with the move trading a veteran leader is the quickest way to assert one’s authority and quickly demonstrate that the change is happening.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      No way does Gorges get traded. The rest I’ll buy.

      Go Habs Go!!

      “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • TomNickle says:

        If you adore Gorges like most I would recommend bracing for the reality that nobody on this team is immune from being moved. And I mean nobody.

        My point about culture change is one you will be agreeing with me on in a couple of months. Sorry if that sounds arrogant, it’s just the way it is.

        • Mattyleg says:

          …that you’re arrogant?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Habsrule1 says:

          I don’t adore him, but I do think he is a pillar on defense for years to come. He is a warrior like the Habs have not seen in years.

          I agree with you about culture change. The reality is that Gorges is part of the new culture, not the old.

          That being said, if we can improve by trading anyone, I’m for it.

          Go Habs Go!!

          “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

      • boing007 says:

        Gorges blocks shots. Let’s see, what else? Uh, Gorges blocks shots.

        Richard R

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Agree on everything except for Gorges. You don’t trade a guy who provides value to your team simply to “assert authority”.

      Trading Gorges would immediately alienate the dressing room and piss off the fan base, from all accounts this guy is well liked and an extremely hard working leader (whose contract is VERY digestible for what he brings).

      Trading Gorges makes ZERO sense.

      • TomNickle says:

        It makes sense from a culture change standpoint. And I believe it’s more likely to happen than not. There’s one thing you’re forgetting in your analysis of my opinion. You’re assuming there’s going to be a lot of the current locker room personnel left still here in September.

      • Clay says:

        Why not? They traded Halak, which certainly pissed off the fan base and arguably alienated the dressing room.

        ☞ Wow, that’s a nice lookin’ pair of Crocs!” Said no one ever.☜

        • TomNickle says:

          Arguably alienated the room. Have anything at all that would even remotely qualify as confirmation of that?

          • Clay says:

            Nope – but Halak was very popular with the players. He won important games for them. Players are human, just like (I presume) you and I. Given that, I’m sure some of them were none to pleased with the move.
            *edit* And in case you didn’t notice, I was supporting your case, not deriding it.

            ☞ Wow, that’s a nice lookin’ pair of Crocs!” Said no one ever.☜

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I understand most of these moves Tom, but my concern with the Gorges move, is the affect this could/would have on Carey Price.

      I have told this story before, but the biggest single reason Ottawa lost Zdeno Chara was how they treated Hossa. After giving Hossa a new contract they traded him soon after completely unbeknownst to Hossa. He and Chara were best friends on that team, and Chara then told Ottawa mgmt he would not be resigning with Ottawa. Ottawa then went into damage control about how they could only choose one of the two Redden or Chara and that they chose Redden. Reality was they had no choice.

      I understand what you are saying in terms of making a culture change, but there can be ramnifications. Not always positive.

    • Mattyleg says:

      No way do we trade either Plekanec or Gorges.

      By your logic, we should trade Price (a veteran who hasn’t got us anywhere, like Plekanec) and Subban (a leader, and by trading him, you assert your authority, like biting the throat out of the top dog).

      Otherwise, I agree, apart perhaps from trading Kaberle. Not sure if we’d be able to get anything decent back for him, IF another team wants him. And he’s not so bad as #2 string PP guy and 3rd pairing.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • TomNickle says:

        You’ve made a habit of putting words in my mouth lately.

        I didn’t once say that we “should” do any of those things. These are things that I expect to take place under a new GM regardless of who it is.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Usually people expect to see things that they believe should happen to actually happen.

          My mistake. In that case, my criticisms are not of you, but of the theoretical GM who may do the things that you expect him/her to do.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • ont fan says:

        A new GM is going to build a team his way. Ala Tallon. Now is the time to make bold moves.I think the fans will give him leeway now rather than later. It wouldn’t surprise me if Gorges and Pleks were moved.

    • jimmy shaker says:

      disagreee tommy…..the new GM will not trade away the league leader in blocked shots, a quality leader in the mold of hal gill at a way younger age, a great guy in and out of the room, a great quote for the media and the next in line to wear the “C” for this franchise. Gio will be traded long before Josh ever will!


    • Phil C says:

      1 and 2 I agree with for sure. I see your argument for number 3, it would depend on the return.

      Changing the culture is always good, but Gorges is a part of the solution, not the problem. He should be a 4/5 guy, not a 1/2 guy that he has been this year. In his proper role, a guy like Gorges is pure gold.

  49. Mattyleg says:

    G’morning everyone!
    I have a massive load of work today because of yesterday’s distraction-fest.
    What I manage to do today will determine how much of a weekend I can have…

    I have to say, I was VERY SURPRISED that Pierre McGuire was not in RDS’s top 10 GM prospect list. VERY.

    In other news, as I mentioned below, my bro-in-law texted me last night to say that he’d heard from a real-estate friend of his that Patrick Roy had just bought a house in Brossard.



    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Les Canayens says:

      Funny, I also have a friend who told me from HIS real-estate friend the same thing.

      To which I told him, he probably bought it for Grigorenko….

  50. Habsssssssswin says:

    I’ll just leave this here :

    George Burnett
    •In 15th full season as a Head Coach in the OHL with Niagara Falls, Guelph, Oshawa, and Belleville
    •Graduate McGill University Bachelor of Education
    •1983 All-Canadian – McGill Redmen Hockey
    •Former high school teacher
    •Led Guelph Storm to OHL Championship and Memorial Cup Final in 1998
    •Led Belleville Bulls to 2008 Memorial Cup
    •Two time OHL Coach of the Year with Niagara Falls Thunder in 1991 and 1992
    •Led Team Canada to Gold Medal at 2001 Under 18 Six Nations Cup in Czech Republic.
    •Led Team Canada to Gold Medal at 2010 Under 18 Memorial of Ivan Hlinka Tournament.
    •Assistant Coach of Canada’s 2011 and 2012 World Junior Teams.
    •Led Edmonton Oilers AHL affiliate Cape Breton Oilers to Calder Cup Championship in 1993
    •Played three seasons in the OHL with the London Knights (1979-1982)
    •Former Edmonton Oilers Head Coach
    •Became the fifth coach in OHL history to coach his 1000th game on October 13th at Niagara.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I don’t see ‘French-speaker’ on that list…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • TomNickle says:

      And he parks in the handicap space at the Kelseys restaurant on a regular basis. His team who once was a boon economically for the town can’t sell more than 2600 seats for a playoff game largely due to his arrogance and the team’s now lack of touch with the community under his leadership.

    • Chris says:

      I’ve watched a lot of Belleville Bulls hockey over the years. Burnett is a decent coach, but I do not at all like how he manages his players. Burnett has always been a guy who plays his top guys insane minutes, even more than the norm in junior hockey. The other thing is that he rivals Jacques Martin for bench chaos…the Bulls take a LOT of too many men on the ice penalties.

      I simply don’t see him getting anything other than an assistant coach position. Other successful junior coaches (Craig Hartsburg, Brent Sutter, Don Hay, and Dale Hunter, for example) have struggled at the NHL level. It is a completely different style of coaching.

      If we’re going the junior route, I would guess that Benoit Groulx gets a long look.

      • TomNickle says:

        I would like to add to your post that he’s of questionable character and a man who consistently gets his trouble players out of hot water.

  51. John Q Public says:

    Lets hope they think outside the box and get some really good candidates for the job. I also hope they don’t pad the bench w/ an overabundance of coachs. What happened to one guy behind the bench.

    Those that think former players w/ no experience and McGuire have any chance are fools.

    Its funny how a press conference can influence so many people.
    The idea that words make any difference is laughable.
    Actions speak louder than words.

    I am very optimistic about are team so long as they stay Healthy!

    Looking forward to an exciting offseason.

    Now whats really important, they have to get Staubitz signed.


    • Vladdy Mondavi says:

      John Q Public,
      Please see my application letter below.

      Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  52. HabinBurlington says:

    Does anyone think Serge Savard stays on after the hire as an advisor, like Gainey’s old position?

  53. Psycho29 says:

    I was talking with one of my buddies last night who works for Molson’s as an executive……His boss works for Geoff Molson….

    He says he already KNOWS who the new GM is; and a house has been purchased for the GM in Brossard near the training/practice site for the new GM…

    Of course he said he couldn’t divulge who it is and naturally all the guys were on his case to tell us, and at first he said all he could say is that “everyone will be VERY surprised.”

    After a couple of more beers, and a lot of the guys had left, he said the candidates were J. Brisebois, Pat Brisson, Damphousse, McGuire, Roy, Blair Mackasey and Doug Risebrough….

    In my opinion, Brisson, Mackasey and Risebrough would be the biggest surprises….but I think Risebrough and Serge Savard are pretty close.

    So take all this with a grain of salt; but we should know in a couple of weeks!

    • TomNickle says:

      Your buddy is blowin smoke. Doug Risebrough can’t communicate in French.

      So cross him off of your list.

      • Psycho29 says:

        I agree, Risebrough seems the least likely, and I can’t see it, but stranger things have happened…….

        I actually heard François Gagnon on TSN-990 say that the coach should be able to speak French, but the GM could be a uni-lingual Anglo…I was really surprised to hear HIM say that.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Brisson is a very very intriguing candidate. The guy is very smart, bright and again, has access to the best player in the NHL (when healthy).

      • ont fan says:

        I’ve heard his name alot. Would he take a pay cut for the job? I heard J Demers and Savard last night saying the new GM doesn’t have to have experience. I thot that a little odd. Then they talked about agents that became GM’s.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I thought I heard John Bellyfull talking about his moving to the Brossard area and that he had found a house he liked…..hmmmmm…..

    • Mattyleg says:

      My bro-in-law texted me last night to say that word in the real-estate world was that Patrick Roy had just bought a house in Brossard.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  54. HabFanSince72 says:

    Savard has already told us who the GM is going to be.

    “Experience not crucial”

    “Ex-NHL players make good GMs”.

    It’s either Patrick Roy or Vinnie Damphousse.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      I don’t necessarily agree with that. Kent Hughes and Pierre McGuire are both good friends of Geoff Molson’s so they have as much of an inside track as the two you mention. Carbonneau could be included in your list.

      Savard also mentioned judgement. I’m not sure that Roy, Damphousse or Carbonneau have good judgement so maybe there’s somebody we’re all missing.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      or Bergevin

  55. Marc10 says:

    Brisebois… He’s from the organisation, he’s a cap geek, he’s built winning teams in the AHL, Carbo rates him and so does StevieY.

    And just to piss some of the Commentariat off, I’d bring JM as an assistant GM/conseiller and Carbo as coach (as they’re on the payroll and we might as get our money’s worth…) And in Carbo’s case… I want him to get second crack at it. I’m sure he’ll be better than the first go round.

    If we could get anyone from the Wings. Do it.

  56. cashbagg says:

    Re Farber:

    Sure the article is his own opinion, but I will assume he has inside knowledge to back up his claims. That being said, can you guys imagine if a reporter wrote a story about say, Microsoft looking for a new CEO. And the reporter listed candidates, and one of the cons for said candidate was “perceived as too **insert nationality here**”.

    Seems pretty ridiculous huh? Yet for the habs, this is acceptable.

    Pettiness doesn’t win Cups.

    • Cal says:

      Not ridiculous. Like it or not, Montreal is in Quebec, an overwhelmingly french speaking province. The days of the glass ceiling is long gone. Most corporations in Quebec require bilingualism. The Habs are no different.

      • cashbagg says:

        Being bilingual and being an anglo are 2 different things.

        If not possesing a certain skillset (French in this case) disqualifies someone for the position, I will grudgingly accept that.

        But according to the article, Farber thinks cadidates such as Pierre McGuire have it going against them that they are anglos. Regardless that he can speak French, his mother tongue makes him a less appealing candidate.

        That is blatant, outright discrimination….Replace the word “anglo” with any religion, and we have a lawsuit on our hands.

        Again, all of this assumes that the article states fact.

        • Cal says:

          Farber: ” Combined with Savard’s vision and Molson’s stated preference, it is clear that the person who is entrusted to restore the “winning culture” in Montreal will also have to speak more than passable French.”

          This is not an unreasonable prerequisite. I have to use both languages in my job here in Quebec. Requiring a high profile GM and head coach to do the same is not “outright discrimination.”

          • cashbagg says:

            Again, all I am saying is it seems an anglo candidate (even a bilingual one) already has 2 strikes against him.

            And if that is, in fact the case. Then yes, this is “outright discrimination”.

    • New says:

      I hear you. Farber is an excellent writer and Gagnon is an excellent writer but with both of them there is always an undercurrent. Other writers pick up on that and it becomes a battle. Oddly Savard and Molson, at least yesterday when I was paying attention, were quite reasonable and logical. Still a lot of folks make it into what they want to make it into I guess.

  57. LafleurGuy says:

    Giving thought to what brings admiration or scorn to persons who hold key positions leads to one conclusion, WINNING (or losing). I think I figured out the basis of bandwagon behavior. In pre-television American political campaigning, a traveling bandwagon could stir up great excitement and then support for the candidate. Easy to forget the hyer-exhilaration immediately after Obama’s election win (he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize!) and easy to forget how his popularity quickly waned. If the axiom that success breeds success, cooler heads would analyze the past successes of the contending candidates for the GM job. No question that persons like Ken Holland and Lou Lamoreillo would be very welcome, but those are pipe smokers’ dreams. I hope for a proven winner, and presently envision a committee approach not different therefore than the Gainey-Gauthier tandem. Larry Carriere would contribute valuable inputs to that pending general management structure.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  58. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Here’s a dark horse for the HIO Commetariat to chew over for the GM position: Mike Babcock

    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

    • TomNickle says:

      I think Tallon is the man in the shadows here.

      He has apparently expressed significant interest.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I am hopeful of the same Tom, I just don’t know what kind of compensation Florida would have to receive, but I kind of think Tallon would like the challenge of the Habs job.

      • Storm Man says:

        Tom do you play golf with Tallon? How and when did he express interest?

        • TomNickle says:

          Darren Dreger reported yesterday that he would have “substantial interest” if asked.

          Dreger makes a habit of doing favours to the Leafs brass, not the Habs. That comment of his is something I buy.

      • Vladdy Mondavi says:

        I heard that, too. Apparently he also speaks French.

        Question is, why would he leave Florida for Montreal? As for compensation, wasn’t us taking JM off their hands enough?

        Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          HA HA (regarding JM).

          But wrt your other point: Why would a Quebec native leave a team with no money and no fans to run the Montreal Canadiens?

          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • TomNickle says:

            Yeah kinda my thinking too. Tallon’s first act as GM was a “Name Your Price” promotion for season ticket sales.

      • Ton says:

        where has he expressed interest> I thought he was a fixture in Florida. If so Tallon beats the entire field. He’s from north west quebec, problem is age and timeline might work against him

      • Ozmodiar says:

        If Tallon is the man, his last order of business in FLA should be to trade Huberdeau to Montreal.

        A 2nd rounder ought to do it. Heck, we could sweeten the pot with Gomez if necessary.

        • New says:

          A conditional 2nd that becomes a fifth if Gomer doubles his production from 2011-12 and becomes a returning first if he triples his production and Florida misses the 2013 playoffs.

      • ont fan says:

        Do you think Florida would let Savard talk to Tallon when they are in a playoff race? If he wasn’t a GM already, I might believe it. A lateral move, not so sure , unless he had it in his contract.Those guys must have a pretty good idea of who the next GM is, to be firing PG now.

    • LafleurGuy says:

      Good candidate but unless he has hit a career rut, why would anyone give up a very positive situation to go to a very unsettled and potentially career damaging one. I believe Babcock was unceremoniously dumped by the Ducks’ Brian Burke and had to watch that team win the Cup from afar under coach Randy Carlyle.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • TomNickle says:

        Here’s the reason somebody will take this job if they’re an established GM already.

        If you win a Cup in this city, you are a Legend forever. Not for ten years, twenty or fourty. Forever.

        • LafleurGuy says:

          Bang on. Hurray, Al McNeil!

          On the flip side, Gainey’s legendary status has been tarnished with the recent team failures and by extension his failures. “There is no I in team (but there is in failure)!”

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • TomNickle says:

            His legacy has only been tarnished in the eyes of those with unrealistic expectations.

            He could have done better sure, but he could have done a hell of a lot worse. This team is among the league leaders in playoff rounds played since his arrival.

      • Ali says:

        Babcock left because he had proven himself and knew he would get interest from Detroit.

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    This is really the end of the Gainey era, not of the Gauthier era.

    While Gainey did well to restore some of the lustre to the organization in the first half of his mandate, the second half can only be considered an abject failure.

    In increasing order of importance Gainey’s sins were:

    – letting 12 UFA s leave for nothing in 2009.
    – impatience with his coaches
    – a lack (until recently) of scouting in Quebec
    – the Gomez trade
    – dissing Jacques Lemaire and Larry Robinson (if it’s true)
    – allowing the whole atmosphere around the team to deteriorate
    – running so many young players out of town and getting nothing in return

    but worst of all, and somehow rarely mentioned:

    – quitting just a few months after blowing up the team, and forcing the team to appoint the only possible candidate at that time Pierre Gauthier.

    I’m surprised he doesn’t get more flak for that.

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      Forgive me if I seem a bit touchy on this issue but some of your points about Bob Gainey are out of line.

      First, in a year where the playoffs were a reality no GM would even entertain the thought of trading their UFAs. This is a business first and the revenues generated from playoff games are monumental.

      Impatience with coaches is a fair assessment however and the Claude Julien firing is one that will always surprise me. Regarding Carbonneau, there’s something he won’t admit and Gainey has too much class to say publicly.

      A lack of scouting in Quebec isn’t true. Desharnais and St. Denis were plucked from the Quebec league. The issue was the league wide perception that high round picks from that league were often busting. He’s guilty of buying into that crap. But not guilty of a lack of Quebec league scouting.

      The Gomez trade you can pin on him all you like. Or you could look at it from a GM’s point of view at the time. Gomez was still a highly effective player, Plekanec was coming off of a 39 point season. Koivu’s leadership in the room was deteriorating and the Lecavalier trade had fallen through. Add Pierre Gauthier’s recommendation and there are a ton of mitigating circumstances behind that trade.

      It was Pierre Boivin who dissed Larry Robinson.

      Atmosphere? Gainey was always a calming influence on the roster and fellow management.

      Running young players out of town? Hainsey is probably the only real mistake there.

      • Ali says:

        I think saying the Lecavalier trade fell through doesn’t help, he would’ve gutted the team for Vinny.

        • TomNickle says:

          I’m only speaking to the circumstances leading to Gomez’s acquisition. And in hindsight, it may not have been “that” terrible.

          Take Price, Gorges, Plekanec and Eller and remove them. Add Lecavalier and Halak.

          It would be a bad trade but not a disaster.

      • Phil C says:

        I think a lot of us like Gainey, especially his heart and commitment to the Habs. But that doesn’t mean we should sugarcoat his record. The lack of a full-time scout in Quebec until recently is well documented and is a fair criticism. It’s not that they didn’t scout in Quebec, its just they should have done a better job.

        The Gomez trade has turned out worse than anyone could have imagined, but even at the time it was a risky swinging-for-the-fence move. In 2009, Bob Gainey lost his patience for building a team properly from within and hastily tried to build the team through free agency and trading away draft picks and prospects. Unfortunately for Bob, the risks never paid off. I think Burke is making the same mistake in Toronto.

        As far as not trading pending UFAs because you are competing, he did it with Huet and Rivet with outstanding results. If he had continued with this practice through 2008-2011, the team would be much better off now.

        I look at Gainey’s record as pretty good up until 2008. From 2008-2010, his moves were awful and the last place position is a direct result of those decisions.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I can’t blame Gainey for quitting. When a man loses a daughter, after having lost his wife, he might have trouble handling the demands of being Habs GM.

      I give Gainey a “pass” for quitting.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Fair enough. I don’t think we can judge these things and I am sure a parent never gets over the loss of a child. Although in all honesty I don’t think that is why he quit.

        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Ali says:

          I respect Gainey a lot, but if he felt he didn’t have the passion to manage full time anymore, he shouldn’t have been running the team when it had a half empty roster and needed to be remade. But then again, maybe he didn’t realize it till afterwards. Gotta give the guy a break.

  60. neumann103 says:

    I don’t have an abiding conviction that there is one guy who should be hired as the sure fire saviour. I just hope competent staff who actually care about the Habs are hired. With that…

    Unrealistic Dream Choice: Dale Tallon (Have to get permission from Panthers, which they wouldn’t give. One of the 4 or 5 best current GMs, from Noranda, speaks French. Maybe part of the compensation could be Scott Gomez’s floor-reaching contract to Florida. I said it was an unrealistic dream.)

    Sentimental Favourite:“Et le premier etoile, Numero Vingt-cinq, Vincent Damphousse!!!”

    Safe Professional choice: Julien Brisebois

    Unrealistic Choice: Vancouver Canucks are eliminated early, and selected as the fall guy: Your new Coach Alain Vigneault.

    Sentimental Fave: St Patrick Roy (peace be upon him, cause Lord knows Patty ain’t bringin’ the peace)

    Safe Professional Choice: Honestly you’ve got me here. This is the biggest exposure of the language requirement. When you aren’t in a position to land a star, and you don’t want to take a chance on what could be MarioTremblay 2.0

    “Et le but!”

  61. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    I think the best person for the GM position would be the one who surrounds himself/herself with the smartest people around. It’s no longer a one person job – they need to coordinate all aspects, but let the experts do their job and make you look good.
    Opinions are like kittens, I’m giving them away.

  62. AndyF says:

    It’s clear what Francois Gagnon’s principal criterion is for choosing management. Here are his picks this morning on Team990 for GM, or what he calls, “the GM committee”:
    – Brisebois
    – Loiselle
    – Damphousse

    (Damphousse? Is he kidding?!! A guy who has no (zero, none!) experience in front-office work?!!)

    with also rans being:
    – McGuire
    – Sexton

    For coach:
    – Roy

    For the journalists, it’s like they’re not connected to the reality that picking inexperienced guys merely because they’re francophone DOESN’T WORK.


    Fail to Fail for Nail

    • Les Canayens says:

      For François Gagnon, the team winning is not what matters to him. It is having personnel that can allow him to write controversial articles that matter most to him.

  63. HabinBurlington says:

    TSN with an article asking whose GM job is harder, Montreal or Toronto?

  64. HabinBurlington says:

    Dale Tallon current GM of the Florida Panthers is widely considered to be an excellent judge of talent, and some say is the architect of the Chicago team that won the Stanley Cup a few years back.

    Oh yah he is also fluent in French and English, just sayin’

  65. joewindsor habfan says:

    Mc Guire = Matt Millen former manager of the Detroit Lions of early millenium that doomed the organization for a decade. It’s really easy to get it right the day after a game or sitting on the sidelines. Just because you have the best seat in the rink during a game doesn’t qualify you to be a good manager or coach. if you really want him in the organization then give him a scouting job and travel the back roads and find our next Guy LaFleur.

  66. Cal says:

    Raymond and Hatchet are hacks.

  67. BobInNiagara says:

    The more I think about it Vincent Damphousse is a solid candidate; but there are some other guys definitely worthy of being in the equation. I just hope the Habs take their time and do a thorough analysis before they make their decision. From Molson’s comments it seems as though it may involve a couple of guys; one being a capologist of some sort. With the salary cap era, this is very important, especially to someone without a whole lot of experience as a GM. Ultimately, it should be the new GM that picks his new coach and coaching staff.

  68. Ton says:

    My opinion> they need to hire two GM’s for the long term. No one from the past!! One will be an assistant with big responsibility. (scouting and Hamilton). The other of course will be the GM. One needs to be a negotiator and marketing man, the other one needs to have a good knowledge of the NHL and able to have good contacts. Patrick Roy does not fit in any of the two GM positions. However with this said> he would be my candidate for coach. Perfect guy to bring back the passion> he’s a winner> he’s developed as a coach (you can see it in interviews). Its important that the management core GM and scouting are put in place with a 10 year term in mind. Thats why Martin>Carrierre> Savard should not be part of the plan. Furthermore credit to Gainey to have himself removed from the process> I am certain he could have stayed if he liked! He did bring the franchise back from the dead and now its time to get it back to what it was in the 60’s and 70’s.

  69. Vladdy Mondavi says:

    Dear Habs Management,

    It’s time to think outside the box. It’s time for new thinking. It’s a young man’s game and it’s time to hire someone with no prior NHL experience for fresh ideas. It’s time to hire me as the new GM.

    I do have experience in talking from both sides of my mouth in the two official languages. I accept insults with a grain of salt, divert criticism to other parties, and I am a master at creating new mathematical equations to suit my budget to meet current needs.

    As added bonus to hiring me, my brothers will provide their misguided opinions for free… but when we Mondavi’s don’t agree there’s usually an all out brawl. Molson can have the rights to those brawls and broadcast them during intermission to ensure the fans have more bang for their buck. I’m certain we can agree we have a common goal in obtaining the fans’ buck.

    Thank-you for your consideration.

    Cordially Yours,
    Vladdy Mondavi

  70. RGM says:

    We should have a scorecard somewhere with all of the punditocracy’s picks for GM & coach listed. Winner gets their own share of that US mega millions draw or something.

    Me? GM: Julien BriseBois – Coach: Patrick Roy

    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is probably not our year!
    “Scott Gomez is an elite NHL player” – VancouverHab

    Chat with me on Twitter @TheRealRGM81

  71. otisfxu says:

    It is not the time for Roy to be GM – he’s way to hands on – he would end up behind the bench before the year was out if things were not going well. He needs to coach for a few years and get it out of his system.

    So you go get a good GM, let him pick his coach and you go from there. And please, no old habs, no Pierre Maquire, no Serge Savard or Scotty Bowman – forget the magic of yesteryear – it doesn’t just reappear.

  72. Habsrule1 says:

    McGuire & Roy get my votes for GM & HC…..for now.

    Unless someone interviews and impresses me more.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • Kooch7800 says:

      That would be a nightmare in my opinion. McGuire is not qualified to be an NHL GM and Roy has coached in junior and had his ups and downs there….Roy needs to be a coach in the ahl before he is ever considered to be an assistant in the NHL.

      Mcquire also needs to be an assistant GM….he has been out of the league for well over a decade and when he was in he didn’t do very well too be honest

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    • LafleurGuy says:

      Let us know how you do in the interviews! (kidding)

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Serge is that you? Good luck with the interviewing process and enjoy your round of golf Pierre in Hilton Head! I am jealous. 🙂

    • HardHabits says:

      No way Pierre McGuire becomes Habs GM. It aint gonna happen.

      So far from what I’ve read about the potential candidates my money is one of the following:

      Michel Bergevin, Vincent Damphousse, Pat Brisson or Julien Brisebois.

      There is a reason why McGuire is sports analyst and not working for an NHL club. Plus he’s a close friend of Geoff Molson. Anybody in business knows you’re better off hiring an enemy than a friend.

  73. boonie says:

    Jacques is a good soldier. He’s still saying the team is “better than we think”, implying the GM did a better job than results indicate and the coaches (and injuries) failed thisnteam.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Yes, old bowel movement. The guy who thought Darche should get PP time and more ice time then Cole. And lets not forget the benching of Emilin over such superstar d man like Diaz and Weber. Go away JM.

  74. Flanelette says:

    Would like to see Damphouse: a modern day Serge Savard.

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