Jacques Martin talks

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And Dave Stubbs listens.
In an exclusive 90-minute interview, the Canadiens’ coach talks about his journey from a dairy farm in eastern Ontario to the most pressure-packed job in hockey.

Martin takes on a popular myth:

“I think I have a good sense of humour and I’m fun. Even if people think that I’m boring,” Martin said, laughing, adding that comedian Robin Williams is his favourite movie star.

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174 Comments

  1. DorvalTony says:

    What I expected. Stubbsy isn’t going to spit into the wind and get denied access (such as it is). The article reflects Mohandas Martin’s personality. Like cold toast. Nothing critical, nothing probing. (Cole’s third line start, harsh treatment of young players, treatment of young female journalists, fighting and the physical game, Darche and Gomez on the PP.)
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  2. RJB says:

    Great article Dave! My respect for JM grew when I found out his favourite movie star is Robin Williams: hell of an actor!

    “I don’t know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.”
    – Bilbo Baggins

  3. OneTimer says:

    Nice piece, Stubbs!

  4. Hicktownboy says:

    I’m predicting another Moen goal and fight tonight.

    Travis MOvember Baby!!

  5. Hobie Hansen says:

    To add to the gossip down below, the Habs are small and not talented enough down the middle. Carter isn’t exactly a big and tough centerman but he’s 6’3″ and would be a huge upgrade at the center position for the Habs.

    He’s got a bum wrap over the summer and has been injured this year but I think he could very easily turn it around.

    Imagine a first line of Cole-Carter-Pacioretty!

    I would dangle players like Gionta, Eller, Weber or maybe a player and high draft pick. I’m sure there would be zero interest in Gomez.

    Carter-Plekanec-Desharnais would be pretty deadly down the middle if it ever came true.

    • sampson12 says:

      Shoulda just drafted the guy in the first place then we wouldn’t even have to think about what young players we could give up for a player like Carter…

      Gotta love hindsight..

  6. Gabs about Habs says:

    Wonder what they did to get him to smile? They must have told him Darche was on his way over.

  7. Bozo McBozo says:

    Without reading the article, let me guess. Dogs and young children like Jacques Martin.

  8. jimmy shaker says:

    Sorry gents, I’m taking the gers tonight on the proline hockey pool. Hopefully carey and co can get the single point tonight at least!

    Shaker

  9. punkster says:

    Good read Mr. Stubbs and gives me a bit deeper appreciation of the coach. He has managed to help keep this injury ridden, modestly talented team in the hunt.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  10. habs001 says:

    since martin has been here the habs have played over 200 games and while there have been personal changes the team has basically looked the same on the ice…we continue to have the injuries…..we look very good for a few games…we look very bad for a few games and the other games come down to if we can score the tying or winning goal in the 3rd or win in o/t…the team has remained a 15-18 ranked team in the nhl..it has not progressed at all…

    • punkster says:

      Makes me wonder what if, as in what if Markov (to mention just one key player) had not been injured, the off season or deadline trades had included a super star or two and they somehow had cranked out a few top 5 picks (beyond that one guy, whatshisname). Takes a ton of planning, timing, money, Cap space and good fortune to have all those fall into place…outside of a recent EA release.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  11. Propwash says:

    Every winning streak comes to an end sometime.

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    Dooooooooooooooomed!™

  12. C_exacte says:

    Sather’s probably still chewing on the victory cigar from the Gomez trade, 2 years strong now that’s a good stogie!!!

  13. DLN-CH4Life says:

    We Need Like Buttons And Notifications On This Site.
    Step it up Gazette.

    -DLN

  14. The_Franchise31 says:

    I say cammy AK and a second rounder is WAY to much to give up for carter. Maybe cammy and pick or prospect but not throwing in AK

    • ABHabsfan says:

      Why, exactly would we give up our best scorer and a real character, giant-heart player for a guy who was traded from the Flyers, rumoured to be partying too much and not part of the future of a good hockey team. Not to mention he is sucking hind-tit on the worst team in the NHL. And we should trade Cammy plus other assets for this guy?
      Columbus is clearly not making the play-offs so trade no more than 1 roster player (AK perhaps, I’d trade Darche too, played in Columbus before) and pick(s) and/or mid-level prospects. I like AK most of the time but some cap$ would have to go the other way.

      • The Dude says:

        Rumors do well in a court of law,lol

      • vivsterjuve88 says:

        He’s a big skilled center, which is rare, and which we’ve been starving for for so many years… also, his scoring resume trumps cammalleri so if he’s our best scorer we’ll upgrade that title. Carter’s also younger and locked up for a lower cap hit for the next 10yrs… I don’t like throwing too many top-6 fwds out tho, I’d miss AK if we let him go as a bonus. I agree if there’s extras it should b picks or prospects

  15. kempie says:

    So I see Komi broke his arm blocking a shot last night and needs surgery. I guess that means some cap relief for Burkie.

    And the Rags are looking for their 8th straight W tonight? It would be nice to prevent that from happening in our house.

  16. Timo says:

    Not even that nice.

    • Danno says:

      The proof is the way Martin disrespectfully answered TSN’s Jessica Rusnak’s question about playing Cole more often.

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      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. FANHABULOUS says:

    Eklund says we’re getting Carter… so that measn zero chance of it happening right?!

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklund/Rumor–Montreal-serious-Interest-in-Jeff-Carter-LA-Kings-Also-Boston/1/39848

  18. kempie says:

    Whether or not JM is the biggest problem is debatable. However, it’s painfully (and I mean painfully) obvious that he is not the solution. I could probably live with all of his dumb line mashing and mindless bench minors if he was racking up Ws, but he’s not. 6-3-1 in the last 10 yes, but it feels like he’s barely treading water to stay near .500. Wait until he strings 5 or 6 Ls together and watch the pitchforks come out. I’m gonna light mine on fire (looks more menacing that way).

  19. Timo says:

    Nothing like a real feel good JM article to turn the opinion tide around isn’t it? Sigh. I bet there was no question as to why Gomez still gets all the ice time in the world. God forbid.

    No matter how good of a person JM is it doesn’t change the fact that he stinks as a coach. And last time I checked NHL is about winning the Stanley Cup not a nice guy popularity contest.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      Yep that article made me hate Stubbs a bit. Like I want to read about this lousy piece of junk coach. I’d love to get seats behind the Montreal bench and just continue to repeat. “JM SUX, JM SUX, JM SUX”.

  20. HardHabits says:

    If the Molson’s were in the business of winning championships they’d be int he business of brewing beer.

    Molson’s is not beer. It is an alcoholized hops beverage.

    Beer is made with water, malt, hops, and yeast. Real beer at any rate. The larger Canadian breweries refuse to list their ingredients and it is for that reason I wont drink them.

    I only drink micro-brasserie or imported beer and when the ingredients are clearly labelled.

    “Beer is not meant to be a widget or an industrial product, which it’s increasingly resembling in its mass market guise, McKinnon says. “Beer is a food. It’s a gentle food.”

    http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/pre-2007/files/food/beer_challenge/additives.html

  21. New says:

    We all like to talk about the Canadiens. We say what is right and wrong. All fans of all teams do this. They bemoan injuries, they wonder if suspensions will be imposed, or they believe that this or that is at fault, if one subtle change will make the difference.

    Sometimes we just lose sight of reality. The Canadiens have played 19 games, losing 11 of those. Their 19 points places them in 23rd place over all, way better than Columbus. They have scored 49 goals and allowed 49 goals. This puts them at 16 or 17th in the league.

    Now if you believe the team has talent and therefore well managed you are put in the position of admitting they are underperforming. If you believe the team has little or only emerging talent you are put in the position of believing the coach is a genius and the GM has way overpaid.

    M. Martin’s record is one of underachievement with a stacked team and losing badly with another team that was supposed to be ascending. Against the Islanders they flew for 14 minutes, ran out of gas, goofed around, and lost two points to the 29th place team. Unfortunately since they scored three goals it is hard to fall back on the usual excuse of facing a red hot goalie who started on the bench. So the only excuse left is to choose between “we gave up” or ” the 29th place team in the NHL was able to elevate their game to a level we could not attain”. Both of those excuses are already taken by Columbus.

    • hirky says:

      i see a problem with this…the Habs are resilient, they almost battled back. The Isles scored a couple of lucky ones. The Habs could have played terrible for 40mins of this game and still came away with the win. I know that this is a ‘looking at the world through Hab glasses’ mentality but it is true.

      I know they say good teams ‘find a way to win’ but a couple bounces our way…like in the dying seconds of the 3rd and we possibly win this one. Dont look negatively at this loss to the Isles as the ‘sky is falling’

      Well that is enough cliches and sayings for one post.

      Im out….

      • Timo says:

        Almost doesn’t count. You are resilient only if you manage a win despite a poor start. Almost doesn’t get you points. Almost doesn’t win the cup. Almost beating Boston last year is still being bounced in the first round. Habs are not resilient. They are a mediocre team that will bounce between 8th and 12th spot all season long and will be lucky to squeak into playoffs just to get bounced (or almost win if you prefer) in the first round.

  22. Rad says:

    In a city as passionate as Montreal, why do we have the least passionate coach? This team needs some fire.

  23. hirky says:

    In the beginning of the season I too wanted JM to be gone even though i stated several times the Habs were playing great hockey and the ‘W’s just werent coming. I have come to realize that was a flawed belief and that if the players continued to play for JM he should in fact stay the course. Here we are a few weeks later and the Habs are still playing good hockey and are starting to see results.(yes that means you TMoen).

    If the Habs can get into the playoffs I believe their work ethic and knack for scoring ‘giant-killer’ goals may take them on another Cinderella run.

    I think someone not on the coaching staff should re-design this anemic powerplay. I said it once and I’ll say it again….POINT SHOTS, POINT SHOTS, POINT SHOTS. If defenses fear the point shot it will open up our snipers on the sidewall. (ala Stamkos, Cammalleri(as a Flame), and various other PP experts.) If you have Pleks out there no one respects his shot. We showed the winning formula with guys like Bergeron and Wizzer out there blasting away. It will lead to PP success and in turn wins in these tight games. All it takes is a PP goal or two to start stringing wins together.

    GO HABS GO!!!

    • habstrinifan says:

      May I humbly, and I mean with all due respect, invite you to accept a challenge. When you watch the game tonight determine if the HABS are indeed bereft of POINT SHOTS from the blueline during the power play.

      I have found that they rely too much on the defensemen standing at the point near the boards and blasting away at the net hoping the goalies are obstructed (both by their own defenders and habs forwards) and hoping for the ‘dirty rebound etc.

      I think this strategy was commented on by the TSN analyst who remarked that it was so methodical and routine that the defenders did not realy have to challenge on the habs PP and stray from their box.

      I feel if the defenders become more involved in moving the puck and moving in more (both towards the face-off circles and towards the middle of the ice) the PP would be more difficult to defend against and less predictable.

      I do agree with you though that PLEKS at the point does diminish the POINT SHOT as a weapon which of course it needs to be on the PP… but not exclusively.

      How about we keep a close eye tonight, I hope my schedule allows me to watch the game, and post back here.

      You stress POINT shots… I say they use it too exclusively and thus have a STATIC PP.

      • hirky says:

        Challenge accepted…but to my defense(no pun intended) I think if teams respect the point shots it opens up the same opportunity for puck movement which is how players(hopefully wingers) get the same opportunity as Weber did to bury a nice cross ice feed. I am not saying that the point shots are going to go in but it opens up the ice for better chances overall. See you here tomorrow for further analysis. (watch the Habs get zero PP’s. LOL)

      • neumann103 says:

        When the Habs PP has worked well in the last couple of years it has been the 2 to 3 passes in quick succession eventually to an open player standing inside the faceoff circle on the weak side.

        The big point shot is useful in keeping coverage spread out. If they know that the point shot is not coming then it makes it easier.

        “Et le but!”

  24. habs-hampton says:

    I stand by my assertion that JM is a very good technician of the game. He can develop a system that matches the personal he has to work with. But I don’t think he is a good bench coach. His in-game decisions are questionable, and he is quick to bench young players and over-play veterans. He doesn’t adjust his game plan when things go awry. And he rarely talks to any players during a game, even on timeouts.

    How long would any other coach stick with Pleks on the PP point?

    Time’s up, JM must go!

  25. ooder says:

    honestly.. i think if the team got rid off Gomez it would solve a lot of issues. I am not using him as a scapegoat.. but you cannot have 7.5 million dollars of cap hit tied up in absolutely 0 production.
    statisticians.. please don’t run at me yelling he has 2 assists on the seasons ok.
    i am sure he is a great guy for an interview or whatever, i don’t know what he is like as a teammate and neither do any of you.
    but in a salary cap world, 7.5 million is a lot.. imagine what we could have with that…

    ——————
    The 2010-11 Stanley Cup was not won, but given

  26. HabinBurlington says:

    So just walked in front of Bell Centre and by the statues they appear to be drilling and have found oil. I guess They needed to make payroll.

  27. Shane1313 says:

    Martin has been good with what he has. If you think about it, we’re better offensively this year. But having a little trouble defensively – likely because when you lose solid guys that we did( ( and we had to, I wouldnt take Hammer back!) and try younger guys it may be rough at first. But that was the right decision to get the young guys in. The habs had a rough start because they are trying to find their identity. Last year they were more of a rely on the D and Carey – team. And now with the addition of Cole and with Max back and scoring big time, we got a bit bigger. We’re not a small team, we’re average. We look better in all areas. We’ll be fine. Some positivity would help boys

    • Nobody says:

      What drivel. A vanity piece on Martin. Ugh!

    • Danno says:

      If you’re good at using what you have you would NOT be using a player who has not scored in almost 50 games on your power play.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

      • Shane1313 says:

        You’re right, really, I agree. But honestly that’shis way of trying to make it a bit easier on someone who is really struggling and has been for awhile. I don’t know, I think he’s trying what he can, the Gomez situation is not an easy one.

        • Danno says:

          I appreciate what you’re saying but the coach cannot and should not make things easier on any single player to the detriment of the team.

          The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I hope by now everyone including Jacques Martin himself realizes playing Gomez on the PP – and several other decisions – were failed experiments. Reality is sometimes hard to accept but ignoring it is not an option.

          ________________________________________

          “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

          • Shane1313 says:

            True.
            We’ll hope that the next experiment will work.
            I just want Pac to play 60 minutes tonight!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      This team has what it takes to make the playoffs with the personnel on board right now. When I pick at the Habs it’s because I guess I want perfection, plus it passes the time ;-).

      I’m content with what we have now but think Gauthier should have handled things a little bit better over the summer to make us more than just barely a playoff team.

  28. Neutral says:

    JM- is doing a fine job with a injury riddled team – maybe a little tweaking of lines.

    2nd – try Hiller with Max-pac and Cole
    3rd – Darche with Gomez and Moen
    4th – Desharnais with Nokelainen and Palushaj/Blunden
    till AK returns.

    by the way if the NYR’s think they have a easy 2-points tonight- they’d better think again.

  29. Habfan4lfe says:

    I love how you guys attack our players when in the end it’s a useless coach with a stupid non-working system that hampers all of them. I swear the lot of you people are F’ing blind.

  30. habitual says:

    Sad to read at the bottom of Red’s column that Craig Rivet is playing in the ECHL. Hard to believe his game has fallen off so much.

  31. Hobie Hansen says:

    I always have and always will back Jack Martin. His positives far outweigh his negatives.

    Injuries and some poor management decisions from Pierre Gauthier are what have held Martin and the Habs back.

    Martin seems to want to play a modern day New Jersey Devils or Dallas Stars (Lemaire & Hictcock) style. I’d personally have no problem playing that type of game if it involved winning the Stanley Cup.

    Unfortunately, Gauthier prefers a small and speedy team and seems to want goals, goals, goals. It seems he wants to look the Red Wings or Capitals from a couple years back. Only problem is that we don’t have enough offensive stars for that to work.

    The Canadiens don’t have any superstars aside from hopefully Carey Price. They don’ have guys capable of putiing up 90-100 points. Most people would be happy with a 75 point player on this team.

    So when Gauthier puts together a smaller group of defensemen and refuses to give Marin some good grinders to work on the team’s bottom lines, Martins philosophy of playing solid defensive hockey first, doesn’t work all the time.

    Martin gets the most out of this team possible. He is the best man for the job, period. He can only play with the hand he is dealt by Gauthier.

    • JF says:

      Good post. I certainly agree that he is the best available.

    • habsfan0 says:

      If what you say is true,then it appears that Gauthier’s and Martin’s ideas on how to achieve a common goal,winning,are diametrically opposed. It is therefore,incumbent upon the owner,Geoff Molson, to rectify the situation.

      • kholdstare says:

        I am really confused as to why there is so much doom and gloom. If JM isnt fired then PG should be fired. It`s crazy. Look at what they have done with so little, the injuries this year would have brought other teams out of competiviness. We are a .500 team. Our best defenceman is out and arguement could be made that our entire top half of defenceman are injured and we are still at .500 . Yet there seems to be some half baked ideas on making this team the delight of the nhl. All of which seem to involve either firing JM or PG, trading scott gomez or what ever implausible combination scenario of these three things is rehashed ad nausem here. Suggestion lets fire the owner, oh wait thats impossible, well lets try and get him off the board of directors because PK isnt scoring hat tricks at will.

  32. kholdstare says:

    JM is the perfect coach for the Habs. I have seen some mediocre habs teams with mediocre coaching. The start of this season brought mediocrity into the realm of terrible. The amount of pressure he admits to or not must have been incredible. So much so it would of caused a blood vessel in some of these armchair coaches brains. He weathered that storm almost nonchalantly all the while saying it would pass, and it did, which in itself was incredible with the amount of injuries that plagued the team.

    I don’t care who you are or what you do, the type of composure that must exist in that man is in less than two percent of the population, because it would have brought lesser men to their knees.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Agreed. Working for the public, which he essentially does, is a next to impossible task.

      I work in an industry whose customers demand the highest standards of perfection, while at the same time expecting essentially inexpensive unmitigated access (re: golf course management). I was well on my way to an ulcer about 3 months into my first GM job when I finally came up with an answer that worked, “I’m sorry you feel that way, but, …….” and I’d go on to explain why I’d made a decision, in as much detail as I could share. The second guessing of the membership stopped almost immediately, and my relationships with the members improved drastically, and all it would usually take was 30-60 seconds one on one with a member.

      JM can’t speak with each of us individually, and he can’t get into too many specifics (injuries, tactics, etc…) but finding some way to explain to fans/media why things are the way they are would go a long way in helping calm a lot of us down. Even if the answer is obvious, window dressing or privileged, at least an answer would shut us up.

      Wait a minute, did I just say communication might be an issue with this guy??
      ____________________________________________________
      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

      • kholdstare says:

        I agree with you he doesnt give very much information, but I think it is all designed, he cant win for losing. So I disagree with you that it would calm anyone down, and in fact do the opposite. He isnt a polarizing figure, either way good or bad. That is exactly what is needed in a media driven industry. Polarizing figures throughout history go both ways. They may polarize for good at first but more often than not people become tired or dissadent and the polarity heads south fast. Stability is what is needed as flashy and exciting it isn`t.

  33. montreal ace says:

    JM is doing a good job with the team despite all the hard luck it has had to deal with. I dont know what the rest of the season holds, but I expect with players coming back we will be better, and if we can stay close or in a playoff berth, teams will be afraid to face us. The people that are calling for a coaching change are seeing one with JM working with the 2 Randys, and the team has changed its style and has a pretty good record since they came aboard. I also like the fact that he is not a blow heart behind the bench as when he says something he usually has a point. and I notice we seem to be getting a fairer shake from the refs since our last game in NY. I expect a win tonight with a strong effort from Gomez.

  34. punkster says:

    Ian Cobb directed me to this Malcolm Subban article in the Toronto Star. Good read.
    http://tinyurl.com/79lzrzs

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  35. BKAK72 says:

    This “feel good” JM article leaves little to impress any HABS fan frustrated with 20 years short of a Stanley Cup.

    More precisely the unanswered questions should be:

    1. Why were you unable to beat a weaker LEAFS team when coaching the SENS?
    2. Why were you unable to make the playoffs as both GM and coach of the Panthers?
    3. Why is your current team unable to manage their goals-against to be a top three team?

    Answer: because JM is a VERY over-rated coach

    — HABS INSIDE/OUT R.I.P. –

    • G-Man says:

      Keep wearing the bag over your head. It fits.

    • Clay says:

      The answer to your #3 could just as easily be that we have a very over-rated team. Top 3? Really? With this roster? And all of the injuries to boot?

      Just sayin’.

      __________________________
      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • Habfan4lfe says:

        And what about the beginning of the season when everyone was around huh? Cheap excuses by lots of you and I bet it’s the couch potato fan vs those that really have a clue.

        JM is a useless coach with a subpar record and as I said a long time ago, he didn’t go into management for nothing, he knew his days were numbered. Well at least unless Montreal stupidly hired him.

        • Clay says:

          I am not really that interested in the JM debate, personally – and I don’t really want to get into it. So I’ll just leave it at this; Would I like a better coach? Yes. But I think JM is a decent coach, and at least worthy of respect.
          I’m just saying that we don’t have a ‘top 3′ team in terms of talent. Especially with the injuries we have. Are you saying we do?

          lol at the ‘huh’, BTW!

          __________________________
          “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

        • Sharks9 says:

          We never had everyone. Cammy and Campoli were injured during the first game, not to mention Markov, White and Eller didn’t play in that first game either.

          JM has been above .500 every year with this team so I don’t see where you’re getting the subpar record bit.

          25 before 14

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      You should leave the question asking up to Smart Dog. These are redundant questions.

  36. 24 Cups says:

    Hockey Futures’ rankings always seem to be behind the times, even when they are updated. I prefer the summer rankings from the boys over at EotP.

    Bobby Hull certainly has a checkered past, but I still consider him to be one of the top ten players of all time.

    Only sentiment would ever have the NHL turn to a Canadian division. Any realignment plan has to be based on the notion that Phoenix could move in the next year or so.

    The Teachers’ group should get a great return on their investment. Any sale will be all about creating and/or expanding another media juggernaut for the southern Ontario sports market. What happens if the sale is to an American entity? Hey, that’s part of our Canadian history. Harper, the hockey PM, is not about to step in.

    Habs have a clear choice when it comes to dealing with the young kids on defense. They can stay the course (trial by fire) or trade them away for 3rd round picks and/or +35 over-the-hill veterans. Hopefully, the team has learned from it’s past mistakes.

    Ernie Els is the International team’s version of Scott Gomez. Jason Day is a younger take on AK46.

  37. geo_habsgo says:

    So let’s say the Habs called up Paul Mara and offered him a job. Would he take it? I’d be pretty annoyed at a team that keeps asking me to join them only to get tossed away at the seasons end. But then again, not many other teams are banging down the door to get him either.

  38. habsfan reduxit says:

    “When I came to Montreal, I knew the fans would be passionate. But not to the extent that they are.” – Jacques Martin

    … it’s an easy ‘imagining’ to understand the concept of rabid Habs fans when you look at the team’s history as the ‘only game in town’, i.e. the best pro hockey team of francophone home-boys in a francophone winter wonderland where hockey as a pastime enjoyed top billing. But what’s more interesting is the undeniable fact that eventually the team surmounted those glorious, but precise, heights and turned countless non-francophone, non-Quebec hockey fans into rabid Habs fans, not through language and culture but due solely to the fact the team was the very best there was in the country, and in the league. And that watching and following the Habs provided fans with the best hockey entertainment available; why look anywhere else?

    … with that background, and the far-reaching nature of the team’s appeal, it is a sad thing inded to see the league ‘eat its own’ by bringing about and proclaiming the counterfeit benefits of parity.

    “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

    • twocents says:

      So, now we’re criticizing his ability to “imagining” the rabidness of Habs fans.

      Holy geez, it’s astonishing.

      Not a single player, or coach has come to this city in the last 20 years and hasn’t been surprised at the degree of attention the team receives. It’s hard to “imagining” cause it doesn’t exist anywhere else. Tarranna might be the closest thing, but expectations there are quite a bit lower.

      The one thing I would think it would be easy to give Martin credit for, is dealing with that pressure better than anyone in ages.

      • habsfan reduxit says:

        … not a criticism of his sense of the fans at all. I was simply responding to something he acknowledged.

        “Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake

  39. Habfan4lfe says:

    Don’t know about you but he should have stayed on that dairy farm.

  40. DearyLeary says:

    Is that going to be JM’s GQ cover?

  41. CanadienBoy says:

    Tallon already turning the Panthers into contenders ,something wrong here oh yes we had Gainey s

    • Clay says:

      Gomez is untradeable. And AK is a good hockey player who earns his money. Watch him play sometime and see for yourself.

      __________________________
      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • Clay says:

        I think you have me mistaken for someone else…I have no ‘Nash fantasies’ of any sort, not have I ever mentioned Nash on this site.

        But speaking of fantasies, you seem to have one about trading Gomez for anything at all. As I said – can’t be done. He is useless and grossly overpaid, and no one will take him.

        And I reiterate – AK is a good player, and worth the money he is paid. Not more, but that much.

        __________________________
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • Clay says:

        Yeah, I saw what you wrote. And I reiterate – it can’t be done, even with pics or prospects. No GM is that dumb. The only possibility is if someone needs to reach the salary floor. And even then, I doubt they would choose that route.

        I figured you’d at least try to say something about your ‘Nash’ talk though – you know, like acknowledging that you were wrong or something of that sort…whatever.

        __________________________
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • habsguy says:

        AK is an awesome player, when he puts out, this year so far so good, years gone by, not so good!!!!!!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Put yourself in one player’s shoes. Lars Eller. Tell me what it would do to your psyche to retain JM for longer than necessary.

      I used to be critical but open-minded. But I now am firmly convinced and profoundly hopeful that JM is terminated soon.

      It may be a huge disruption in the short term and will add to the difficulty of the season so far, but I believe that it would be the best for the team in the long run.

      • although i agree the language thing shouldnt be a factor, I could do without an american describing it as archaic thanks

      • neumann103 says:

        Eller > Martin

        Obviously there are lots of times when the coach is “more important” than specific players, even if they are stars or make 5 times what he does. For reasons of discipline or co-ordination or the ability to execute a team game.

        But it ought to be some kind of wakeup that the damage that Martin’s misuse and scapegoating of Eller could do to a player who is essentially a second year prospect in the middle of the depth chart outweighs Martin’s positive contribution.

        Honestly maybe Martin is a better coach than Bob Hartley, but Bob Hartley + not misusing players + not wrecking players > J Martin

        I actually have always thought JM was a decent coach, but he is the wrong coach for this team at this point. I don’t advocate firing him now but if I were Molson I would have a very general discreet conversation with PG and JM about “looking to the future and nurturing the young prospects” and then immediately begin the search for a new GM before July 1 who will hire a new coach as soon as practicable.

        “Et le but!”

    • mdp2011 says:

      the Panthers a contender? Wow, now I have heard it all.

  42. geo_habsgo says:

    I have a feeling that the “off the record” portion of the interview was way more interesting and telling than what was published. It was a good read but I think we are going to have to wait for Stubb’s inevitable tell-all book that will come out sometime in the next 20 years.

    • Dave Stubbs says:

      There will be no inevitable tell-all book, I’m afraid. What is told to me in confidence, by Jacques Martin or by anyone else, remains in confidence. In my mind, there’s no other way to work in this business. For no reason ever should you violate a trust.

      My hope with this story was to at least show a little about what makes Martin tick. Those who dislike the man for whatever their reasons probably won’t change their minds having read it. But I think that anyone who reads the feature will know a little more about him.

      Dave Stubbs

      Hockey Inside/Out
      Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
      • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1
      • Email: dstubbs@montrealgazette.com

      • G-Man says:

        The ones who think they are better coaches are the ones that make me laugh the hardest and infuriate me the most. Their 20/20 Hindsight Coaching on here is uproarious.
        Thanks for the article. It was long overdue.

      • HabFab says:

        Good on you sir!
        At the end of the day, we are only as good as our word!

      • geo_habsgo says:

        I respect that sentiment a lot actually. It’s good to show a little integrity in todays age. My comment was mostly tongue in cheek. I guess for the honest journalist the best and juiciest articles are the ones that they never write. Keep the features coming they are great!

  43. DadidolizedDougHarvey says:

    Why does Shahnhan have to talk to the players before he makes a call? Every teacher and principal that I ever respected could make the call on his own, couldn’t be swayed, and stuck to his/her guns. And try to tell me that Lucic is not exactly the same as that big jerk walking down the hallway stuffing people into their lockers. Do your friggin job, Shanahan, do your friggin job….

  44. HabFab says:

    Here is something that even the biggest JM hater must feel sorry for the guy for;
    http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Florida/2006/08/15/1756796-sun.html

  45. HabFab says:

    Re post from late last night.

    Hockey Futures updates their Organization Rankings, we drop from 20th to 24th;
    http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/13418/hockeys_future_organization_rankings_fall20112130/

    • Mark C says:

      I know Montreal’s system isn’t in the top-10 right now, but this list stinks. They have Gallagher at 11, behind Nash, Engqvist (!), and White. Michael Bournival at 15! If a team has a Gallagher, Bournival and Bennett outside their top-10, I have a hard time believing they have one of the worst systems in the league.

      • HabFab says:

        I agree with Gallagher and Bournival being rated higher however, someone correct me if I’m wrong but, I believe part of their scoring system is being NHL ready.

  46. G-Man says:

    “Martin divides the media in two: those who cover the team, and the TV and radio “show business” element who are “after viewers or listeners, so they have to make things up.”

    Take that Marinaro and AC.

    Good interview, Mr. Stubbs.
    Read it, bashers.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Or maybe Martin’s availability has something to do with the trending decline of passionate interest by the fans.
      Hints of empty seats at the Bell, fans ‘re-selling’ tickets more and more.
      Maybe the powers that be now are getting it. Next you may see a PG interview rather than a state of the union address..

      • Clay says:

        I would speculate that the decline of ‘passionate interest’ would have little to do with the coach, and more to do with the serious cup drought. Fans in Montreal were spoiled for ages with cup after cup, to the point where we just expected to win. And I think those of us who remember some of those days are still passionate…but the younger generation? We need to show them what it means to win, and maybe they will develop the passion. Not that some haven’t already though.

        __________________________
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Most fans are realistic enough to understand that the TEAM CANNOT WIN A CUP as often as they used to. In fact they may not win a cup for another 15 years.

          But what drains the enthusiasm and passion is the mediocrity. The incompetence, the lielessness.

          One poster recently made a list which tells a lot.

          Top scorer for how long getting about 50 to 60 points.
          No rookie honours.. in fact no real honours candidate.
          Hang on for dear life wins.
          No pizzaz… reminiscent of our hockey tradition.
          You could go on and on.

          • Clay says:

            Can’t argue with that…if I did I’d be denying the truth.

            __________________________
            “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

    • G-Man says:

      You do realize his teams have never finished worse than 6th, right?

  47. twilighthours says:

    Disappointed in Stubbs. Not one word about what’s on the notepad. That’ what we’re ally dying to know.

    • Dave Stubbs says:

      It’s not a notepad. It’s a two-sided, fold-in-three pre-printed cardboard card on which he charts plays, lineups, etc. Martin gave me a blank one yesterday, and if he gives me the OK today, I’ll publish it here. Then HIO readers can print it out and be the coach. Stay tuned…

      Dave Stubbs

      Hockey Inside/Out
      Sports Columnist/Feature Writer, Montreal Gazette
      • On Twitter: twitter.com/habsinsideout1
      • Email: dstubbs@montrealgazette.com

      • habstrinifan says:

        When you do Mr Stubb, please explain to this simple fan why then does he ONLY reach for that NOTEPAD when something WRONG happens.

        Aren’t great individual inventiveness noteworthy if not only for their encouragement factor but also to teach team responsibilty for recovery when daring plays are attempted.

        As I have said here many times, I came late to hockey. But I played and coached under two quality Brazilian soccer geniuses who would highlight great impromptu plays by players and demonstrate the reason why they worked and the ‘team’s responsibility’ to react to the risks inherent in them and the fleeting opportunities for ‘pulling the trigger’ as he called it created by them.

        Players learned a lot from that approach, especially the need to be RESPONSIBLE, TO WORK YOUR BUTT OFF TO RECOVER. It made skilled players better thinkers on the ice and made for a more confiident and gung-ho team approach to the game.

        I would have LOVED to see the NOTEPAD come out on occasions like the following.

        In the game when Subban scored 3 goals last season… the combination between WHITE/SUBBAN on one of them. That to me was a play worthy of the 70’s team.

        There are many more but my hockey enthusiasm is too low now to put any effort in recalling/rehashing.

        • Malreg says:

          And how do you know he doesn’t reach for his notepad when good things happen? Just because they don’t show it on TV?

          When good things happen, TV is busy showing the celebration, showing multiple replays from different angles, whereas when something bad happens, the first thing RDS does is zoom in on Martin.

        • habstrinifan says:

          I am gonna post a reply to my reply before I lose it.
          On the topic of JM’S NOTEPAD.

          It was to do with an Eller play which want awry.

          I have never been so pissed off at being right than when JM couldnt wait to grab his notepad out of his pocket and with a countenance remindful of the medieval masochists assigned to whip wrongdoers, madly punched his vehemence onto the page for later recall.

          I posted right away that I hoped he wouldnt tar and feather Eller.
          And like clockwork he did. Chastise the kid openly and threatened his ice time. He followed up too. Eller has not been the same since and has played less.
          And oh yes we WON that game and Eller was instrumental. But did JM say one thing positive in his remarks… you judge.

          I was so fffffing mad at being RIGHT. JM is a ……………….,

          • punkster says:

            ?

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • kholdstare says:

            LOL this is a bit ridiculous. Do you write out a grocery list based on things you already have?

            What do you expect him to write on Subbans three goal night.

            1. Make PK do that more
            2. Win games
            3. Less goals against

            He obviously is using his note pad for areas of concern, I’m sure he told pk that it was an awesome game. This whole notepad arguement is ridiculous.

      • twilighthours says:

        Awesome! I want to flip open the cardboard card at various times throughout the day while at work and mutter under my breath.

  48. Bugs says:

    Odd, I’d’ve imagined udder beginning for Jack…

    Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  49. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Send him back to the dairy farm. He should be milking goats & cows not coaching the Habs.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  50. V says:

    Is there anything lower than chiding someone for the way they look? Yes, but not much.

    • Clay says:

      Penn State…much lower.
      But point well taken.

      __________________________
      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

  51. The Cat says:

    The one thing JM has going for him is that when you look like that, it kinda has a way of diminishing the expectations of those around you lol

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  52. Timo says:

    I said that below for the 1000th time – we must get rid of the coach first, at the very least.

  53. kempie says:

    So after 20 games he’s decided that he doesn’t like playing for Arniel? Man, he’ll love JM. I bet MTL is at the top of his list.

  54. 1010 says:

    Totally disagree with your statement about Carters’ skill level. He may be bigger than Pleks but he does not have more skill.
    Cammy. AK and a second rounder? I don’t think Carter is worth that.

    GO HABS…

  55. Ton says:

    do you ever post anything that is positive. everyone knows your beefs about Martin and Gainey. there starting to sound like old Connie Francis records! we don’t have control of management, the opinion of fans is not going to get the coach fired!

  56. Ton says:

    you can it for the 1001 times!!! your opinion or the opinion of fans will not get the coach fired. start focusing on positive issues!

  57. canadiens26 says:

    Timo is right. If the habs were to acquire Carter his talent would be wasted in JMs system. You know, the system where the team defends a one goal lead with 15 minutes to play.

  58. Bob_Sacamano says:

    You´re right. That aside I´d like to have a center like Carter but some fans get blinded by size and goals very easily. When it comes to this, Carter has the edge over Tomas but when it comes to overall skill, passing etc. Carter is not better than Pleks. Carter btw had one 80+ point season but his second best point total was 66. Pleks had a 69, a 70 point season and is on pace for 70+ again. Carter never had 40 assists or more, Plekanec twice.

  59. kempie says:

    Yeah, Plex, Carter, Eller & #15 would look a lot better than what we’ve had. Now that our top-6 wingers have become bonafide power forwards that would be pretty frightening. All we have to do is find a way to convert Gomez into Carter.

  60. neumann103 says:

    Plekanec could have a 50 point season and still be the Team MVP because of all the things he does. If Carter doesn’t score 35 goals (which could be a concern in the JM system) he is not so useful.

    And to habsrpast who wrote
    “Pleks is not a 1st line center and doesn’t have the skill of a Carter”
    are you insane? Carter is a better natural scorer. Other than that Plekanec is more skilled.

    PS. Not that I wouldn’t want Carter, although I would prefer a little time to elapse to let the taint of the Flyers wash off.

    PPS. Yes I know what you must all be thinking: “the taint of the Flyers? I thought they traded Carcillo. I guess he must mean Shelley”

    “Et le but!”

  61. jmsheehy19 says:

    I’m with you. Never been a huge Carter fan, especially not with a 10 year contract. I think Carter is best suited in a place where he doesn’t have to be THE guy.

  62. kempie says:

    That’s a pretty long contract too and a guy who will have been traded twice within a couple of dozen games.


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