It wasn’t pretty

A precious point squandered

Pat Hickey’s game story

• Subban: “I tried to do too much”

About last night …

Red Fisher on Taylor Hall

Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis

• Hickey on how Leafs sale would alter TV landscape


  1. VintageFan says:

    I could shuffle!  He’s paid to coach.  That’s what he could do!

  2. Gormdog says:

    We don’t know that it’s sacrificing points.


    We are thin ish on D, Weber showing he can play a regular shift would go a long way in helping US out this season as well as himself.


    Maybe Pk on the sidelines for this game will let him realize he’s not as good as he thinks he is, and wont make bonehead cocky unnecessary moves like he did last night… which cost us *gasp* points!

  3. Gormdog says:

    Heh, not meant in a negative way. Punk as in young exuberent confident attitude…   But he’s our punk :)

  4. Gormdog says:

    It’s one game, give Weber a chance.


    Subban more than played badly: he cost us the game. At the WORST Weber does the same.


    At the best? We see flashes of our future Mark Streit lite.

  5. Malreg says:

    We aren’t a rebuilding or a “developing” team, therefore we do not sacrifice potential points in the standings to make a prospect feel better about himself.

  6. HabFanSince72 says:

    Maybe but I was thinking about tonight.

  7. SeriousFan09 says:

    One spotty interview with a player unexperienced in dealing with the media, conducted by a hack like Marinaro who used a series of leading questions to get the answers he wanted to build controversy (like how he exploited Price-Halak all last season) and suddenly Max-Pac is the new SK74?

    JM is developing the rookies in his own style, he knows he’s a lot less likely to make 10, 15-year veterans suddenly change their style because he tells them to. Different treatment because he knows his veterans will generally play a certain way but the rookies are still being developed and he can aim that development in a certain direction. It seems unfair but really, it’s like Kovalchuk or Heatley could be coached into being Selke Trophy guys.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  8. JF says:

    RDS confirms.  I think this is a good move for Subban.  Not only will it make him angry and determined to improve, but watching the game will perhaps allow him to see how he can simplify things and avoid some of the rookie mistakes he makes.  How it will play out on the ice tonight with Weber in Subban’s spot is another story…

  9. habfan53 says:

    ” The PunK”  ?? where does this come from??

  10. HabFanSince72 says:

    I don’t think there’s a conspiracy. Martin knows he has a problem and he’s shuffling players to see if the problem corrects itself.

    I’m not sure what else he can do.


  11. Gormdog says:

    I sure do. It’s early in the season, we are playing well, and have a few prospects tearing up the AHL. No, and i repeat, no shame in giving the kid a regular D shift in the NHL for the first time in… er… ages.


    Theres more to hockey than winning on gamenight, theres the future to think about as well. Subban will bounce back from a benching, but how does Webber feel about having zero organizational confidence about his play in his own end?


    This could be a huge night for the kid – i’m excited.

  12. Gormdog says:

    PK lost us the game with the perfect mix of over exuberence and sloppyness.


    Nothing wrong with JM sending the punk a message, I just wish he had it in him to show a few veterans the same love.

  13. Malreg says:

    Hold him accountable, fine, then bench him during the game.  He should have been benched during last night’s game, but they kept putting him on, and even threw him out there in OT.   

    Do you really want Weber playing 15-18 minutes tonight on the road, when the other team gets the last change?

  14. Gormdog says:

    No chance. Martin is many things, but he ‘aint blind. We need Subban at the top of his game to have any shot at a division title – JM knows this and is trying to get the best out of PK by making him angry.


    Here’s hoping it works!

  15. Timo says:

    the true genius of JM is coming home to roost. What a freaking moron.

  16. Dintrox says:

    Interesting bit in the Hickey article. Is Max Pac auditioning for another NHL team? or does he still have a future as a Hab? He just won AHL player of the month honours. I think what he said about JM was what many people have thought already. JM is very hard on rookies while giving a free ride to the moneymakers. JM should have a thick skin after all he has coached over 1000 games.

  17. Mark C says:

    Good point Joey, while the goal was a bit fluky, the decision and pass were the correct/good play. The D had solid positioning, but while using his stick to take away the passing lane, he also created an opportunity where a deflected puck off his stick would likely be headed towards the net.  Sometimes it’s not always about the results, but about making the correct play. 

  18. SeriousFan09 says:

    JM is holding his rookie accountable. Subban played his worst game since the TBL game, a similar late-game blown lead that we ending up losing in OT due to errors from PK. Martin wants Subban to sit in the box and have to watch a game he could be playing in and think about why he’s not on the ice.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  19. Malreg says:

    …I’ve been a pretty big defender of JM, and I think he’s done 10x the job that people credit him for, but sitting Subban to play Weber?!  Is he out of his freaking mind?!?!

  20. krob1000 says:

    Subban played 25 minutes last night…Hammer was the next closest at 21:10 …..not sure how that makes him “third pair”…he is right now being used as our number 1 dman.  His pair may not be the “shutdown” pair and that assignment is going to Hammer and Spacek clearly but there is no doubt who our number 1 dman is right now with Markov out….and he is a Rookie with less than half of a season under his belt and people are riding him.

  21. SeriousFan09 says:

    From Cyberpresse’s @MAGodin, Subban will be a healthy scratch in Jersey tonight.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  22. Bugs says:

    If Weber pops in two tonight, does Soobie sit another one?

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  23. habs365 says:

    I have a question for ya..whats with martin and gomez..think about this one….Gionta-Kostitsyn-Cammalleri and some of the other players has been moved to different lines or taken out of the line up..Gomez hasn’t been touched..some fans seem to be concerned about Cammalleri’s lack of effort..wouldn’t you have a lack of effort..if you were taken of the first line and put on a line with 2 players that has scored 5 goals between them..the 1st line should have never been broken up..the problem is on the 2nd line..did you notice I said problem..until the problem is will see a lot of games like last night..the good players and some of the others don’t like what they see that’s why you have’s not just mistakes..last night yes a little of both..thank God we have Carey..this game would have been a whole lot worst……

  24. Kooch7800 says:

    I agree that everyone is being too hard on Cammy and PK but your comment that he is doing Markov’s role is a bit of a stretch.  He is on the third pairing of D.  He is although getting his powerplay time. 

    PK is a rookie and will continue to make mistakes.  Until our offense picks up we will be in trouble.  Defensively I think we are fine

  25. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Thanks for the stats though. I knew they were something like that. Pleks is awesome and makes others better.

  26. Dintrox says:

    Tanenbaum has the right to first refusal if the teachers are selling. I expect the sale is long from done. I also expect Bell and others to make a competitive bid for MLSE. I like HNIC and there have been some small changes including an improved hot stove and moving Hughson to the main game that keep me hopeful.I hate Cherry myself but ratings don’t lie. People watch Cherry. If TSN goes down don’t expect RDS to survive long on its own.

  27. krob1000 says:

    Everyone is being way to hard on Cammi…..this is a guy who has never been anywhere near as responsible defensively as he has been here in Montreal….let’s also lay off PK….he had a rough night buit has been INCREDIBLE for a rookie essentailly trying to fill Andrei friggin Markov’s shoes…and for the most part doing a very damn goo job of it.  PK seems to be taking much of the negative attention to heart and I think that is a msitake personally…he is who he is and needs to play that way…I am OK with his play last night at the blueline….when he made that decision ( a very, very quick one) he knew he had to get the puck or the man…he slid…should have been enough to either get the puck, the man or both…the Oiler got the puck past him, managed to avoid Pk’s slide and the rest is history.  I think if he makes that same lide 10 times it works 8 of them…and on the other 2 the 2 on 1 is stopped once. If he does keep that puck in…it means 2 of the 4 Oilers are at the blueline and it is a 4 on 2 down low for us…..results are results though and that is hockey but we could very easily have been applauding Pk for TWO miraculous saves  ont hat PP in a row…unfortunately that wasn’t the way the ball bounced though…but PK needs to be PK.

  28. J_P says:

    Seriously.  Why would you ever take your foot off the accelerator against a team like edmonton who are young and have nothing to lose?

    Had the habs kept pushing and scored again to make it 4-1, edmonton would have been done.  No team (other than the habs this year for some reason) fold when the opposition is up by only 2. 

  29. habfan53 says:

    Agree about Darche.  I was really dissapointed when they did not offer Metro a contract and decided to go with Darche. But he brings the same work ethic to the rink.

    Also I find it funny how today nobody is blaming Price for giving up 4 goals (1st time this year) where as last year ALMOST everybody would have been all over him   

  30. J_P says:

    It was actually your post that motivated me to check the stat.  Gotta love yahoo sports player game logs. 

  31. joeybarrie says:

    Gomez did score last night, and it was flukey. HOWEVER, Gomez gave a great pass that was SO GOOD it was impossible to miss, so much so that the other team scored for him. Gomez gave a great pass to Cammi last night and he whiffed on it. The more I watch the more I see Gomez doing what he is supposed to and giving great pucks into high opportunity areas. So let’s try to remember that it goes both ways with a guy who is known for assists.

    Lets also try to remember that Edmonton is 2 wins away from being behind Boston in our standings. They arent a great team, but they are not a bad team.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  32. RiverviewCanadien says:

    yup, see my post below.

  33. Rudy says:

    I wonder if the team was told yesterday that Markov would have surgery and be out the year, that’s frustrating news for everyone.

    I am not impressed with Cammy’s attitude, I hope Gionta slaps him upside the head!

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  34. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Eller will be a star, Halpern won’t. Nothing wrong with Jeff, but I think Eller is going to be a very good hockey player in the coming years.

  35. habfan53 says:

    OK  twice in a week BLOWING a 2 goal lead.  After Montreal scored their 3rd goal last night they shut down the same as last week in Philly.  A friend was over watching the game last night and he said well you’ll get your 2 points tonight I told him don’t be so sure  ACTUALLY I’LL BE HAPPY WITH ONE. When he asked why I told him Montreal was playing kitty bar the door .  Edmonton then scored their 2nd then 3rd.

    I give Edmonton FULL credit Renney took a time out and gathered his young players told they could come back they just had to work hard.

    I don’t blame Subban as mentioned below he will learn from this. Better make this mistake now then in April.

    I do blame the coaching staff  Montreal too often grabs a lead in the third then goes into a defensive shell and tries to hold on. I expect the coaching staff to tell the players that they got the lead by playing a certain way  and to carry on with that style. (Bye the way I feel it also cost Carey his shutout the other night)

    The good news is they will probably play a full 60 minutes tonight against the Devils who are still without Brodeur and Langenbruner. 

  36. J_P says:

    Fun little stat that illustrates our lack of secondary scoring:

    Pleks has played 24 of the habs 25 games.

    The habs are 12-1-1 when he scores at least 1 point.

    The habs are 2-7-1 when plekanec is held off the scoresheet.



  37. joeybarrie says:

    We did not play great last night. The whole loss is NOT on Cammalleri. The puck he got from Subban was rolling, and Cammi didn’t do very well with it, and obviously quit. Terrible. But that was the overtime goal. Cammi still had 2 PP assists. PK played a bad game. What can you do he is a kid, and his play this season has been good enough to allow him a bad game.

    The big issue here is simple. We have 2 BIG holes. We are still missing a top 6 forward and Markov. Until we replace Markov, which is unfortunate, and big our 2nd line player we are not going to challenge for the cup. Just getting in the Playoffs is not good enough for this team.

    By the way, defensively we did not play like we usually do, Edmonton had too many high quality scoring chances, and despite Price’s good play, he let in goals he should have stopped. Edmonton played well, and they are not a terrible team. Their PK is awful, and in the East they would be between Florida and Buffalo. Their goalie had a GREAT game.

    In the end we are doing very well with the depth that is on this team, HOWEVER we obviously are at the end of the rope, and need to make a move. Problem is, we need to make the RIGHT move.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  38. joshua94k says:

    Relax folks it’s just one game in a long season.

    The positives:

    • Gomez scored last night (although it was flukey)
    • Cammalleri scored two points without being in the top line
    • Darche impresses every game, this guy bring his lunchpail to the rink everyday
    • Price played amazing

    The important thing is to learn from their mistakes. This is why Montreal fans and media are the most knowledgeable. Unlike Toronto where the team is always in ‘denial’ mode. Alot of times the media says the Leafs were unfortunate to lose and the coach and GM say they don’t know what is wrong.

    In Montreal, P.K. Subban acknowledges the two mistakes he made resulted in two goals for the Oilers, and realizes he has to play better than that. Cammalleri blames himself for the poor backcheck that led to the overtime goal.

    The key is to play 60 minuttes a game. There are no easy games anymore. This month the team will be on the road alot. They will bond well together and it will be a turning point in the season.

    “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

  39. HabFanSince72 says:

    Oh Oh.

    No Marty in NJ but Hedberg has a 0.97 GAAA in his last four.


  40. krob1000 says:–rogers-bid-for-leafs-could-spell-end-of-hockey-night-in-canada?bn=1

    Geez…did it ever occur to the CBC that Hockey night in Canada could actually just be that…not Maple Leafs night in Canada.  This would actually be great for Ottawa and some of the other Canadian markets…and if another team entered the NHL from Canada as is always speculated…Hockey Night in Canada eventually not focussing just on the Leafs could actually be a blessing.  Rogers will charge no doubt for Leaf games and the CBC will not for whatever they show and in the long run I can see many, many Leaf fans jumping ship if that were to happen…and there is plenty of room on board for Sens fans in Ontario  and their team is much better.  Habs fans are all over the country and the Habs would undoubtedly draw as well as the LEafs over time.  It may take a while but I think Rogers is playing with fire here and the fears are unfounded.  Hockey Night in Canada will never die……it may have to change…but I for one would welcome that….especially if it actually became Hockey Night in Canada and not Toronto.  The Raptors  and Jays have already for the most part lost my viewership by moving to other channels and charging…I will happily watch them for free (not that my 70/month cable bill is free) but to pay extra? only for my Habs ….many Leaf fans will do it…the nutty ones like us on HIO…but the casual hockey fan will just not have it IMO… I know I won’t with the Jays and Raptors…I am a fan…but not enough to  pay that extra coin…just not ever going to happen.  Whoever plays the most games on regular cable on Saturday nights will be “Canada’s team”…and maybe it would be better to Have “canada’s teams”anyway.  let’s not kid ourselves…much of the Habs fans were born of the days when Canada had two teams to watch and decide between….the Habs or the crappy guys. 

    Go Rogers Go! I say….

  41. J_P says:

    It could be the coaching staff telling him to take those slapshots seeing as for the last few seasons, our top-tanked powerplay has always heavily relied on a bomb from the point.  I totally agree with you though.  Rather than take those huge wind-ups, subban should use that time to move deeper into the zone and get off a good wrister.  Or he should at least go for a weaker, but more accurate shot.

    Kurtis Fosters blast last night….holy cow was that thing a laser. 

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    How about Halpern as 2nd line centre?

  43. J_P says:

    Yeah, maybe they should get Jennifer Hedger to read his reports for him.  They should have left him at Sportsnet. 

    Anyone who knows hockey knows that moving a team who’s arena is packed every night to a city where they dont even have an NHL-calibre rink yet doesnt even make, especially when theres at least half a dozen teams that are more suitable to move.  Makes more sense that they were meeting to exchange public funding ideas, seeing as Quebec is ready to commit huge tax dollars to bringing back an NHL franchise. 

  44. SeriousFan09 says:

    HNIC should be taken off of life support, it’s made a parody of itself with Healy, Stock, Milbury, Cherry, Maclean and so on.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  45. SmartDog says:

    That’s what kills me about him. LOL  Most of his stuff is like that… he stretches out stories that are non-stories. If he was blond and had awesome boobs I might watch. Might. I can’t see why this guy is even on tv.


    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  46. JohnBellyful says:

    Agree with what you have to say. And Eller and Pouliet line should be getting more ice time than whichever line Gomez centres. Couldn’t fault Price on any of the goals. The tying goal was a wicked shot but I do believe Edmonton could have been called for a tripping penalty in its own end before the play went up ice. The Subban-Picard pairing did have a rough night. As for Halpern, he was sitting in the penalty box for two of Montreal’s penalties which would account for his absence on those occasions.

    Would be great if the team came up with a superb effort tonight against a wounded team that traditionally has its number. That would go a long way to dispelling fear club is turning into a middle-of-the-pack team for the remainder of the season. The real barometer, of course, will be its record in December.

  47. SeriousFan09 says:

    The thing with Subban for me is I know he’s going to make rookie defensive errors, he was always a much more offensive player in his junior years so that’s going to be a big part of his style. He’s going to make mistakes, he’s going to learn, that’s how it goes, Markov took several seasons in the NHL to become the dominant offensive force he was with MTL.

    What annoys me is his predictability on the PP, that giant, everyone-sees-it-coming slapshot that isn’t even that accurate, he’s great at keeping the puck in or managing it for the most part his shot is obvious and always stopped or blocked. Subban needs to getr back to shooting wristers, that’s how he got a lot of goals in HAM last season and he seems to have completely abandoned it at the pro level when it would be a perfectly good option to shoot and get a rebound.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  48. longtimehabsfan says:

    We played as if we were the younger team last night.  The veteran leadership and smarts was lacking.  It was stupid hockey in the third.  Players falling down, not making simple plays with a two goal lead and leaving Price hanging out to dry. 

  49. J_P says:

    Not only was it a complete non-story, but he went on and on about it. 

  50. J_P says:

    I was calling for pleks to shoot or drive the net also yesterday…Guys like Pleks and gomez like looking for the pass, but when the other guy is Travis Moen, take a shot, or drive hard to the net and let moen bang in the garbage.  Nothing against Moen, the guy is awesome defensively, but offense isnt his strong suit nor is it it his role. 

  51. SLONCOLD says:

    is this true that subban is going to be scratched tonight? wow lol

    we still got a point and not like we gave up the extra point to a team in our conference. blowing a 3-1 lead is not the biggest downfall in sports lol calm down yall.

  52. SmartDog says:

    I’m sure Martin is going to bench or demote Gomez soon. He has to.  The guy is not even playing center anymore.  He’s playing shinny-hockey.


    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  53. shiram says:

    Well the Oilers leadership (or something) was in Quebec city recently to talk about building a new arena, as both Quebec and Edmonton are planning a new arena right now. But yea, it is non-news…

  54. Kappy says:

    Let’s stay POSITIVE.  That’s how I try and live my life and when I get down or have a bad day that’s what my wife tells me.

    Les Boys are right back at it tonight and I am sure JM will have a fire light under there asses for tonights game.  It is about time that we start to turn are misfortune around when playing Jersey and I think it starts tongiht, is there a better time with Marty F. on the shelf?  And maybe, just maybe Gomer needs to go back to the place where he had his most success to find his scoring touch again.  Well, at least it’s postive thinking!

  55. petefleet says:

    Sounds like you saw what I saw.  That 2 on 1 with Moen was brutal.  Insert Gionta and that’s a goal.  Cammy looks to be really struggling to find his groove.  I wonder if the suspension has messed with his MoJo or if there is something else adrift that is messing with it.  He’s got to get going.  Your account of Gomez is bang on.  Not at all sure what he’s up to.  From your seat in the Bell Centre you get a better idea of where he is on the ice than we do from the rec room TV.

    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  56. Mattyleg says:

    I was there last night, so some thoughts from a rare game without commentary:

    We looked pretty listless for most of the first period. Shaking cobwebs of not having played since Saturday, I guess.

    Gomez spends an incredible amount of his time on the ice stapled to the left boards. I nearly broke my voice yelling at him to play in the centre of the ice. Lots of turnovers were in the centre-ice area that he had vacated.

    Price played great again, making key saves, some that were amazing.

    Pouliot was great fun to watch. Good work all game.

    Pleks must be going nuts that he always ends up in shorthanded 2-on-1s with Moen, of all people. Guy can’t hit the side of a barn.

    Reffing was pretty garbage.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. habitual says:

    Here is what I saw last night:

    When wingers play with Pleks, they do well.  When they play with Gomez the fall into a slump.  Others have essentially said the same.  Tha means that in order to win, Pleks’ line has to score, and either the PP must score, or our real second line, the PHD line, must.  Not good, because it means that if Pleks’ line doesn’t do the near impossible and be a dominant factor every game, we are sniffing offensive fumes.

    The second thing I saw was the regression of Picard.  I saw him make one play, but otherwise he seemed tentative and it also seemed he got limited ice time.  It meant that we had 3 of 5 D in their mid-thirties chasing fast young forwards.  It is more likely that we can grab a solid 5-6 D to spread the ice time than finding a worthwhile forward, so let’s get cracking on one problem we might be able to solve.

    Yes, Mike Boone, Gomer is a huge drain on this team.  But as I cannot fathom him going anywhere I guess we better get used to it.


  58. SmartDog says:

    Man I just find Darren Dreger the most useless, plastic, waste of tv time on the planet.  His big scoop: the Oilers are NOT moving to Quebec City!   OMG!!!!!!  Hear that thump?  It was me falling off my chair!!  Ouch!! 

    What could be more stupid?  Seriously.


    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  59. shiram says:

    Subban is a worthwhile risk and investment, but it is annoying seeing him do his wacky stuff sometimes, i just look forward to seeing him more stable and experienced.

    Gomez, no comment.

    Cammy, well we wanna see him light it up all the time, and if i’m not mistaken i read that JM asked him to play more of a defencive style? Hell the whole plays defencively… well most of the time.

    Goals against, we had a breakdown last night, but i trust our D and goalies.

    Goals for, well i like the idea of giving Eller more time, but yea we need to score more if we wanna succeed all through the year and in the playoffs. Would help to have more than one scoring line too..

    Pouliot, totally agree, he deserves a shot up there with Gomez.

    Halpern, i see that as well, could he be playing injured?

  60. SmartDog says:

    I agree on all counts.

    If it’s not time to give Gomer a demotion I’m a monkey’s uncle.  And Eller deserves a chance (as does Pouliot… but anyway..).

    Halpern was supposed to reduce Pleks PK time.  What happened to that? 

    And if Gomer is so awesome defensively, why can’t he do that?  (A: because he’s not nearly as good as Pleks).


    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  61. RiverviewCanadien says:

    See my post above SD (in ref to your 2nd line Center conundrum).

    I say why not, they have tried everything and everybody with Gomez, it just isn’t working at this point. It also has a negative impact on the players who have been playing well. I like Gomez, just down on the 3rd line for a bit, I want to see what Eller can do with talented wingers…

  62. RiverviewCanadien says:

    When Pleks is held off the score sheet, the team seems to shite the bed.

    Pleks is the best player we have, but I wish he did not play so much SH all the time (over 5 min last night). It takes energy away from him to be able to score or setup his wingers. Too much pressure is laid on his shoulders, something has to change.

    BTW Pleks gets 3 points tonight.

    I hope Gomez TOI is reduced and Eller is given the 2nd line role (at least for a few games), I really feel that would work wonders for Cammalleri. Eller is smart with the puck and works hard every shift. He can dangle like the best and on most nights, it appears the puck is glued to his blade. He can generate so much time for his wingers to be in position, and when Mike is in the O-Zone, he is quick and pivots very well…and we all know how his shot is from one knee. Sweet Jeebus I miss those goals, when was the last time he got one like that?

    Come on JM, give the kid a chance. Eller is becoming one of my favs on this team.

  63. SmartDog says:

    I’m not a rose-coloured glasses kind of guy, but I think we’re almost as good as our record.  Of course much relies on Price, but when you balance out that half of our top 6 have been in a slump half the time it seems the potential is there for even better play. Now that the PP is starting to work, if the guys can stay healthy I think we’ve got a strong team. To me – and I know the rose-coloured glasses gang will hate this – but what we need is an ACTUAL 2nd-line center. Our 2nd line stinks. That we can be as high in the standings as we are with a sucky 2nd line is quite a good sign. 



    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  64. avatar_58 says:

    No HNIC, no CBC. What a shame, can’t say as I care

  65. SmartDog says:


    1. SUBBAN. Subban is cocky and sometimes arrogant. Fortunately his talent will eventually catch up to his bravado. For now, we have to put up with his sorting out what he can and can’t do. If you take away his late-game mistake, you’d also have to take away some of the best plays he makes night-in, night-out.

    2. GOMEZ. Full credit for the goal. Sure, it was flukey but flukey goals count. Still, he ended up -1 and I don’t see him playing much better or different. 

    3. CAMMALLERI. Why are people dumping on Cammalleri. The guy is missing some of his snipes, but he’s third in team scoring and second in +/-.  A bit of a slump lately but he’s been demoted to the Gomer-line where everyone seems to mysteriously slump.  If he’s not talking to the media it’s probably because he doesn’t want to say “WTF am I not with Pleks – and what do I have to do to get back there?”  It’s obvious that Pleks makes his linemates better.

    4. GOALS AGAINST. Tough one for Price when Gorges pushes him out of the way on one goal and Subban coughs up a break-away to a sniper on another.  The glove side roofer was a beautiful shot.  Still, Price only let in 3 in regulation again… and Habs missed a thousand chances.

    5. GOALS FOR. The Habs need to bury more pucks. They’re getting better at creating chances – in the first period alone they created 5-6 good ones – but they need to be able to bury them.  Part of this might still be personell issues. It seems like some of the guys who are best at making chances out of nothing don’t have the line-mates to finish. I’m thinking of Eller and Laps.

    6. POULIOT. Pouliot to me is one of our most consistant players. He makes things happen. I’d like to see him on the Gomez line again.  I think he has the skill to add stability to that line. Just the way he controls the puck and holds it until the rest of the team gets set up is one of those things that we need more of. 

    7. ETC. Is it just me or has Halpern lost some mojo since being slammed against the boards face-first? 



    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  66. J.J. of Turku says:


    I think I have to find a way to stay awake tonight… 


  67. JohnBellyful says:

    Where can I get me one of them rose-coloured glasses cuz the ones I’ve been wearing since the start of the season still shows the Habs are a .500 hockey team. As in, the team plays half a game half the time, and some players seem to play to half of their abilities.

    I said before the season began that Montreal would be a .500 team scrambling for a playoff spot and sadly that appears is going to be the case, despite a wonderful start. If the team continues at its current pace, winning and losing in equal measure, it will collect 57 points in the 57 games remaining, giving it a total of 89 points. Not likely good enough.

    It was nice to see Gomez get his 8th tangible last night, a goal. Maybe he can turn it into a scoring streak tonight against the Devils. We’ll need all the breaks we can get. But then we’re due for a win, aren’t we, according to the pattern of outcomes lately.

    What will prevail — recent history or painful history?

  68. 24 Cups says:

    Latest updates on possible sale of the Maple Leafs.

    Cable giant’s power play a game changer.  Could spell the end of Hockey Night in Canada.

    Game on as Tanenbaum mulls play for MLSE.

    OTPP selling off MLSE as part of a new investment strategy.

    New ownership won’t guarantee an improved Leaf team.

  69. shiram says:

    I foresee alot of negativity on here today.
    Well blowing a 2 goal lead in the third to one of the worst ranked team in the NHL doesnt feel all too good.

    Didnt get to watch the game though, only a few highlights.

  70. Trenton_Romulox says:

    I was at the game and it was truly angering to watch the 3rd period and OT. The Habs quit. Not all of them, mind you, because there always a few guys (Gionta and Plekanec come to mind) who are always working hard. But generally speaking, the team quit. The team quit with a 2 goal lead at home against one of the worst teams in the NHL. I don’t care if you’re playing the Islanders or the Red Wings, you cannot quit with a 2 goal lead. Heck, you can’t quit with any lead. You can’t quit! I rarely have issues with a team losing because they were beaten, but when a team beats themselves like the Habs did last night, it’s an absolute joke.  

    Alright, got that off my chest. Now hopefully Martin ripped the team apart last night and again this morning so they’ll get fired up to play another mediocre team in New Jersey. Not that I think ripping teams a new one is the only way to get wins out of a team, but it seemed to work at least for one game when Martin did it last week. 

    Go Habs Go!

  71. SeriousFan09 says:

    Still on IR but NJD can frustrate the Habs anyway. When Brodeur was IR in 08-09, we couldn’t get ****-all past Clemmenson.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  72. J.J. of Turku says:

    I read from somewhere that Brodeur isn’t playing tonight. Is it true? (not my reading, but the Brodeur-thing) :)


  73. habaholic68NJ says:

    Anyone going to the Habs-Devils game tonight at the Prudential Center?  I will be in section 9 row 18 and would love to meet-up with HIO posters before or during the game.

  74. HabFanSince72 says:

    PK didn’t try to do too much. PK sucked. He made bad decisions. His confidence  turned into arrogance.

    Still, all part of the learning curve.




  75. Johnny_D says:

    True, but I like the way he fessed up to his sucking.  Whereas Cammalleri ducked the question, which isn’t going to make him any fans.

  76. Julie H says:

    It’s refreshing to know I wasn’t the only one sitting on my couch thinking “man, PK is utterly useless.” He needs to chill out. He isn’t the only player on the ice, he has to work on his own game before he tries to be Superman out there on the ice. Learning curve my foot. He wasn’t this cocky in the AHL, what makes him think he can suddenly have such a chip on his shoulder AND not play well?

    That being said: kudos to Gomez on his third goal of the season.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  77. Johnny_D says:

    Red, Red, Red…

    Nobody is dropping hints that Hall is another Stamkos in the making”

    Umm, if you read your article, isn’t that exactly what you’re doing?


  78. W35T5ID3 says:

    i missed da game but i need to know…..

    HOW is AK46 doing?Appeared to hurt the leg blocking or accidentally getting into the shot lane of Pksubbans point shot.I hope he is ok.Big loss if the tank misses time……hes a key cog in our offense.


    CONGRATS TO GOMEZ.He SCORED!I can die happily now.

  79. 24 Cups says:

    W – AK46 came back to play later in the game.

    As for the Gomez goal, it was really scored by the Oiler Dman who put it in his own net.  However, I’m sure Gomez will take it and hopefully it will help end his horrendous slump.  I’ve been all over him this year but it certainly was a relief to see him get on the scoreboard.  A productive Gomez takes some of the heat off the top line.  It will also help out Cammy who hasn’t been a ball of fire so far this year.

  80. petefleet says:

    PK was the direct cause of one goal.  With the 3-1 he tried a Subi-Doo move and got caught.  Rookie mistake.  Not the only one he made either but that’s part of the package.  The D man who didn’t take the pass away on the one that Price cheated on was the direct cause of one goal.  Not a great game from the 5 minute mark of the third.  But you could see the gas running out after the PK gaff.  One point is better than none.

    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  81. Malreg says:

    The D-man took the pass away just fine on the 2 on 1.  If the puckcarrier holds and shoots then the D played it right.

  82. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Another loss to a “cellar dweller” team. We always throw away two points to these teams. Truly unacceptable. I think we’ll bounce back tonight, though.

  83. Thomas Le Fan says:

    This Oiler team shows that it will definitely be a contender in a couple years. Am the only one, however, who thinks that the Oilers got the benefit of “inconsistent” officiating last night?  

  84. HabFanSince72 says:

    It’s refreshing to know I wasn’t the only one sitting on my couch thinking “man, PK is utterly useless.”

    I wasn’t on your couch. Must have been someone else.


  85. Julie H says:

    I think you caught my drift, dear. Everybody is all “PK! PK!” But he keeps showing this useless side and he won’t be getting cheered on much longer.

    “I know you’re wise beyond your years, but do you ever get the fear that your perfect verse is just a lie you tell yourself to help you get by?”

  86. Kooch7800 says:

    PK is good but like I have said before his confidence is his biggest asset and also his biggest weakness.  He blew the game last night.  But he is a rookie and is playing a heck of a lot.

    Look at it this way, currently Hammerlik and Spacek are our top D pairing.  We are playing pretty well considering.

    PK will lose more games for us but that is part of his development.  He will also help this team win a heck of a lot more than we lose.

    Our offense is the real issue.  Cammy, GIO and Gomer have to get it going.  Gio has been playing better. I want to see AK back with Plec’s

  87. HabFanSince72 says:

    I know we’re still in the early Nov mindset when we were 4th in the league, and beat Vancouver, Boston, Philly in succession.

    But in the last 2 weeks we’ve been inconsistent at best, horrible at worst. That collapse in Philly. The no-show in Atlanta. The embarrassment against Nashvile. And last night.

    The common thread is we stop playing after the first period. If we have the lead we sit back. If we are down, we  barely threaten the opposition.

    So what changed between the first 2 weeks of November and the last 2?

    I’ll give you two hints. He’s Russian and he’s got a wonky knee.

    (And he should have been named captain.)



  88. Bugs says:

    Can’t help but agree except for one thing: no, he shouldna been captain.

    “Hey, guys, Gio, Gomie, Gill, all’o’yehs, do like ME in the playoffs! C’mon!”

    See? Doesn’t work.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  89. avatar_58 says:

    So we’d be out a captain for the year? Yeah no, kinda glad he wasn’t chosen.

  90. J_P says:

    Kind of happy that the satellite went down for me 5 minutes into the third when we still had a 3-1 lead.  Figured the game was in the bag, and boy was I surprised when I checked the score later to see that we lost 4-3 in OT. 

    Hopefully the boys learn from it and move on, because December has generally been the habs worst month in years past. 

  91. Bugs says:

    Don’t exaggerate, Newf. We would never tolerate 8 pts after 25 games for 7.5 per.

    It’s 7.3.

    So take it easy.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  92. HabFanSince72 says:

    What I meant is before the knee injury he should have been chosen because he is clearly the most important player on the team. Obviously if he ends up injured for the rest of the season then it’s a good thing in retrospect that he didn’t get the C.


  93. petefleet says:

    So it was Price’s fault for cheating?  I didn’t see it that way.  If Price was unsure (looked like he was), it’s the D’s fault for not being aggressive enough.

    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  94. Hagar says:

    It’s been bad luck Bugs. He shoulda been the captain.

  95. Bugs says:

    Guy’s been here for years on years, and Gio gets it after one? That doesn’t say anything?

    C’mon, Hagie.

    If he was captain material, he’d be captain; just that simple.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  96. Hagar says:

    So who should’ve got the C Bugs & why?

  97. Bugs says:


    Cuz he brings consistent effort and production, especially when it’s all on the line. He has the Cup to prove it. He can raise his voice and demand accountability, especially when it’s all on the line, from any and all high-profile egos on the club. Markov could not do this, regardless of all his appreciated skills. Not to mention that if he actually WANTED the C, he woulda fought for it and he woulda gotten it.

    The C went where it shoulda gone and where I wanted it to go. Gionta.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  98. Hagar says:

    Markov doesn’t bring consistent effort & production as well as Gio? That’s BS bugs. The New Jersey Devils were responsible for winning the cup. Moen also brings consistent effort and production & has a cup. As for raising voices and demanding accountability from all the high profile egos on the team, well…I’m glad you think so Bugs. You credited Markov with calling out Price when he wasn’t working hard in practice once. I don’t even know where all of this is coming from Bugs. Your answer isn’t even sincere. If you don’t wan’t to reply to my post then say so, don’t reply at all, or put forth a better effort to conceal the fact that you don’t wanna give your honest opinion. Spare me the bother of replying to your crap.

  99. Bugs says:

    (chuckle) In other words: “tell me what I wanna hear or you’re wrong and it’s insincere crap.”

    Ok, Hagie. Sounds a little desperate but ok.

    In the future, don’t ask if you don’t wanna know. Save yourself some grief, right?

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  100. Hagar says:

    I’m not even gonna address that. How old are you Bugs? Your garbage is written with such edgy English. You must have honed that skill over the many years spent on the planet. Thank you in advance for not posting crap to my posts in the future. I don’t use a keyboard to type my posts. It’s certainly appreciated.

  101. habsguy says:

    how you guys can put the blame on PK for the OT gaol is WAYYYYYY beyond me,  it looked like a pretty good pass that should have been picked up by any calibre hockey player….I’m putting it down to bad luck !!!!!

  102. habaddict_andy says:

    Cammalleri was few feet from one of the Oilers player.  When receiving a pass, you have to momentarily put your head down.  That can be very dangerous if a player is too close.  That was a rookie mistake.  Not only was it a bad pass, he was ot able to retreat enough to repair his mistake.  The message he’s getting right now is “if you want to play, you have to listen to me and play the system.

  103. Timo says:

    When is Gomez going to sit a game? I hate JM.

  104. SmartDog says:

    Snap! You say so much

    In just a few little words!

    You should write haikus.



    “This is a good hockey team and no matter what situation you’re put in, you’re out there with smart hockey players.” – Jeff Halpern after his winning goal against the Laffs

  105. Gormdog says:

    When is Gomez going to play a game?

  106. Les-Habitants says:

    According to TSN, PK is a healthy scratch tonight. Weber in.

    My opinion: he’s a rookie, had a bad game and is being scratched on a back-to-back.  I think it’s fine, and Weber needs to play.  That said, I bet this is going to get a lot of attention today

  107. avatar_58 says:

    Funny because I counted several mistakes Gill and Spacek made.

  108. AH says:

    I thought we had problems??? I just heard Calgary used 5 defencemen on the PP last night..hahaha..unreal. All the Sutters have to go and while their at it, trade Iginla to the Habs, what the heck. LOL!

  109. Hagar says:

    If that’s true, that’s incredibly funny & a reason to keep the Sutters, lol.

  110. Ian Cobb says:

    Some day I hope we understand how to play with the hard earned lead.

    We get into a defensive mode once we have the lead, and let them come after us. Leaning on our very good goal tender and our good team defence to carry us the rest of the game.

    It is impossible to turn on the offence once we start to coast on defence.

    The best defence is puck control at all areas of the ice, once we get fortunate to have a lead. We got sloppy, lazy and it cost us again.

    A 2 goal lead seems to trigger a different mental posture.!!

  111. ed lopaz says:

    all of last season, Ian, you were posting this, until finally you came right out and said what everyone was thinking:


    Until the Habs made that great run in the playoffs, you, and many others (myelf included) had seen enough of Martin.

    Now he’s going to force PK to the press box.

    Reading below a post from SF’09, as he explains that Markov needed to learn how to become a great defender – like PK is now learning.

    Question: Was Markov EVER a healthy scratch?

    Give me a freakin break.

    If Price does not stand on his head the first 20 games – this is a .500 team – at best!!

    Now Pacioretty is developing into the power forward that we need – top 6 – and he’ll be shipped out because he doesn’t want to sit in the press box for making a mistake – while we all watch the veterans make mistake after mistake after mistake.

    Martin is “old school”  – and TODAY’s 2010/11 NHL player – is not interested in OLD SCHOOL.

    In today’s NHL, you take a private meeting with the player, the day after the game, and discuss what he has to do to play better and help the team.

    I’m sure all of us would rather have our bosses approach our mistakes with a private meeting, and not end up embarassed in the “press box”.

    I love my country, that does not mean I support the present government. I love the Habs, that does not mean I support the present Habs management.

  112. Gormdog says:

    Avatar related bias much?


    Pk thinks he’s a better player than he really is, and he is a REALLY good player.


    This is a problem, and having him watch a game from the sidelines will bring him back down to earth a bit.


    I hope!

  113. avatar_58 says:

    No bias here mate – I thought pretty much everyone had a garbage night, including Subban. I just don’t get why singling him out is seen as a good move.

    In fact for the record, even being a Price fan, I thought the tying goal AND the OT winner were soft. Call me crazy but 2 on 1’s where the guy doesn’t pass need to be stopped.

  114. Gormdog says:

    Hard to call the Penner goal soft but i know what ya mean… To me any 5 hole goal is soft because thay are all eminently stoppable!

  115. habfan53 says:

    Just when I was starting to raise my opinion of JM.  Well this should quash PK’s exubirance he’ll be afraid of making a mistake. 

    I agree IF Martin was going to do anything he should have sat him LAST NIGHT. This is Jason Spezza all over again Martin just cannot handle young 1st year players. 

  116. Gormdog says:

    PK could use a bit of reigning in of his game.

    “it’s jason spezza all over again” And people wonder why Habs fans are constantly made fun of.

  117. samTHEman says:

    Derek Willis, Bulldog’s play by play guy, was on Team 990 this morning. He said that Boucher had scratched Subban once in Hamilton after a bad game and he responded to it very well. Subban isn’t a fearful player. If anything he’s the complete opposite in that he takes risks on the ice. Not a doubt in my mind that he will bounce back. Sometimes you forget he’s a rookie. He hasn’t played half a season worth of games in the NHL yet. It’s normal for him to make mistakes, and he will learn.


    Just watched the highlights and couldn’t help but notice….it’s 3-2, you cough up the puck in the neutral zone, why don’t you make an effort to back check Cammalleri? Same thing in OT. Loses the puck, turns around and watches Penner score. Atleast make an effort to skate back to your own net…

  118. cynic says:

    I blame this loss on the Habs for shaving off their Movember moustaches. Have they never heard of Samson? Geez, what were they thinking????

  119. Mark C says:

    Subban’s pass was fine, watching the replay it shows it hit Cammalleri’s blade before the puck ends up in his skates.  However, making that pass was a bad decision on Subban’s part; it was a suicide pass all the way.  Cammalleri knew he was receiving the puck while being in the tracks, think that’s why he turned it over.  His lack of a back check was unacceptable.

  120. habsguy says:

    it was a tape to tape pass,  the kind you see every game.  If cammi took the pass the way he should have and it set up a goal, people here would have marveled at the pass…..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  121. samTHEman says:

    What happens if Weber finishes the night with 1PPG 1A? Does Subban sit again against the Sharks? 


  122. Gormdog says:

    Give Spatcho a night off instead although knowing JM he will return to last nights lineup no matter how well Weber plays.


    I’m watchign every move he makes – I want this kid to be good but if he can’t at the least look better than MAB out there in his own end I will be pretty disappointed…

  123. krob1000 says:

    Martin…that Fat Bastard has stolen PK’s Mojo! 

  124. JF says:

    There are a lot of comments trashing Cammalleri for his overtime mistake last night.  I’m not about to trash him; mistakes happen, and Cammy’s a skilled player who scores some beautiful goals.  Nevertheless, I think there’s room for concern about his attitude.  It’s obvious that he’s extremely frustrated, and he’s letting this affect his game.  His frustration is to some extent understandable as he was “demoted” through no fault of his own, but he needs to place the team before his own aspirations and do his best in the role he’s been assigned. I hope JM or some of the other players will talk with him and try to cool him off a bit.  I also hope for his sake that he has a spectacular game and scores a couple of goals.  We need him to be focused on the game, not taking out his frustration in poor decisions and bad penalties.

  125. JD_ says:

    Whatever it is that seems to be grindin’ Cammy’s gears, it’s been goin’ on since the beginnin’ of the season. I’d hate to think he’s dissatisfied with somethin’, be it the captaincy or otherwise, but don’t believe his issues run deep enough to warrant too much concern.

    When he, along with Gomer and Gio, joined the club last season, it was pretty much a carte blanche situation. Roles were undefined, be it on or off the ice, and everyone kinda grooved into whatever came natural to them. Cammy’s a natural leader. He’s also a proud guy and a bit temperamental. Perhaps the absence of any recognition of his leadership aspirations – i.e., no A, let alone no C – has messed with his pride a bit.

    I really don’t know and can only speculate. The fact his production’s been inconsistent, for a guy who works to a pretty high standard, can’t be helpin’ his mood.

    It’s nothin’ a hot streak shouldn’t fix.

  126. krob1000 says:

    PK has not been Pk since people asked him to stop being PK…..let PK be PK and everything will be fine….he needs to talk after whistles, he needs to be confident and he needs to play like he is better than everyone else…because for the most part he is. I was reading an article on Stamkos in the Hockey News and his trainers were asking him when he was struggling in his first season when he had a mere 4 goals…”who is better …Crosby or Ovechkin”…Stamkos started to answer justifying each…than they simply said to him…”NO…Steven Stamkos is better”……confidence…it is sooooo important.  I think PK has always been so positive and positively viewed that he has had a little bit of a hard time dealing with this last couple of weeks and all of the negativity being directed towards him…mostly unfounded by the way. This is the worst possible decision IMO …sitting Subban…it is just making a snowball bigger IMO.  Maybe PK bounces back right away…but my biggest fear is that he stops being PK…neither of those plays was anymore brutal then several otehrs that were made last night…but they scored both times so….

  127. dbens says:

    About cammy…..i dont think that last nights turn over is a reason to throw him under the bus subban should not have given him a pass that was essentially a suicide pass… however his lack of effort in trying to stop an overtime breakway is reason for concern. its not secret that cammy has had attitude issues in the past hence why he left la and then calgary….

    on another note did anyone notice how andrei came out flying last night? when he takes that toe drag bullet wrister hes always dangerous… not to mention that he is skating his ass off too…

    finally as big of deal that people are making about pk being a healthy scratch this just might be the best thing to happen to him this year….JM knows what hes doing give it a chance just wait till saturday

  128. longtimehabsfan says:

    JM is making a big mistake in benching PK.  Okay, he made a couple of mistakes but the guy plays his ass off on every shift.  And who is going to eat up his minutes with Markov out?  Tonight’s game has all the makings of a disaster.

  129. Ian Cobb says:

    You all know I love the kid, and have watched
    his game for 7 years. But he was on the ice for the last 3 goals
    against, and put himself out of position. He gave up the puck a lot
    more than normal.

    He has a lot to learn and needs to have a
    little more patience with his own development. Yes sitting out is part
    of the learning curve.

  130. petefleet says:

    What we don’t know is how many times Kirk and JM have told Subie Doo to not pull that shite that cost us the game.  The kid is talented but may be a little THICK.  Maybe the coach feels that from the press box he’ll get the message.  Hopefully the message is “less is more”.  That 2 games now that PK has been directly responsible for losing.  That 3/4 points lost to bravado.  Just saying.


    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  131. Bar says:

    Ian, benching is SO old school. This is the new NHL, when a player stands up and TAKES responsibility, what is he going to learn from a benching? I’m more pissed at the lack of support PK got from the rest of the team. Cammy should have said, I messed up at the end and not let PK get hung out to dry, I am not impressed with Cammy this year one little bit.

    In closing, JM is a crusty old dinosaur that will ruin PK. I know this sounds like hyperbole, but I personally believe it. His coaching style of punishing rookies unfairly borders on criminal, and the success of earlier this year is what it is, that doesn’t excuse him of this bonehead mistake. 

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  132. Gormdog says:

    I dont think a straight jacket and a sedative could stop PK from being PK. He had a bad game, both he and JM know it, and now PK can take some time from the sidelines to better learn the times to be flashy and the times to be, you know, a defensive defenseman who isn’t directly responsible for the last 2 EDM goals through sloppy play and thinking he’s better than he is.


    People are making WAY to big a deal about this. Pk will survive, and most likely thrive. He’s too good not to.


    The worst possible decision? It could also be the BEST possible descision if it tightens up PK’s game a bit – something he needs.

  133. krob1000 says:

    The idea of sitting PK, a rookie to teach him a lesson is fine and dnady..i can kind of get that…BUT…we are without our best Dman already …and now we will be without our second best as well.  We are playing on consecutive nights against a team we should beat if we play up to snuff…..and we are coming off of a heartbreaking loss against another team we should have beat, we have a very tough schedule ahead….not sure I agree with this decision……actually disagree with it.  Also, I have issues with PK sitting for mistakes when vets were not bringing actual effort arelet off the hook…also Spatch made several mistakes last night…had two BRUTAL back to back shifts.  If Markov is healthy and the offense is clicking etc than sure show some tough love and sit PK …but this timing is a little dangerous I believe.  IF I were a Proline oddsmaker I think Jersey would now be the favourite to win this game with all of the above factors considered.

  134. longtimehabsfan says:

    I understand, Ian. But there are many ways to issue discipline.  He can tell him he’s being scratched then insert him into the lineup.  I’ve coached in the past and I found that worked even better than a scratch.  It’s all mental.  I could see if we had another experienced NHL defenseman to play but we have Weber.  And from what I’ve seen from him I don’t like.  This scratch is to the detriment to the team.  I understand that it’s for the team’s benefit in the long run but I don’t agree that this is the way you do it.

  135. Gormdog says:

    Boucher benched PK last season in Hamilton.


    And i’m pretty sure no one is more new school than Boucher.


    How do you explain the irregularities in your argument? I’m reading words but I’m not quite sure what they are actually supposed to mean?

  136. krob1000 says:

    Well …we now have ourr best two puck movers out of the lineup on the back end.  We saw our team before Pk when Markov was out….that iws what we are icing….sure it is Jersey but I subscribe to two points being two points whenever they fall in the schedule and I think we have drastically weakened ourselves tonight for something that probably does not warrant it.  PK can be scolded at practice tomorrow…he acknowledged everything last night…..he is aware…sitting him out is morepunishing to the team than PK IMO.

  137. Gormdog says:

    Pk has alot to learn, way more than the vets. HIm sitting is NOT such a bad thing.


    When we go on to win this game, won’t you feel so silly for this post?


    We’ve got NJ in the bag tonight mark my words, mock JM all you want but we’ve only lost back to back games once all season for a reason. The boys will be ready it isnt blind faith it’s just observations made from watching this team all season.

  138. krob1000 says:

    Well …we now have ourr best two puck movers out of the lineup on the back end.  We saw our team before Pk when Markov was out….that iws what we are icing….sure it is Jersey but I subscribe to two points being two points whenever they fall in the schedule and I think we have drastically weakened ourselves tonight for something that probably does not warrant it.  PK can be scolded at practice tomorrow…he acknowledged everything last night…..he is aware…sitting him out is more punishing to the team than PK IMO.

  139. Hagar says:

    Guess I was wrong. I guess you can bench a rookie making a run for the Calder, lol.

  140. rocketsglare says:

    It’s not the loss, but how the team lost that is both troublesome and maddening. The team’s inability to play

    with intensity and focus from beginning to end is troubling while losing often to weaker clubs is simply madd-

    ening. The Habs have a second chance against another weak team tonight and hopefully will come out with

    greater intensity and focus from start to finish.

    This team will have to be disciplined, patient, and opportunistic against the Devils and play a solid team game

    from end to end if they are to prevail tonight. Here’s to redemption and a win against Marty and the Devils.


    Go Habs Go!

  141. Gormdog says:

    This is why i wish HIO was a bit more positive. You talk about our top 2 puck movers being out but the guy comming in could end up being our #3 and way closer to the top two than the bottom 4.


    I’m more excited to see Weber get a full shift than i am worried in the slightest about “PK not being PK”.

  142. Bar says:

    Being benched in the minors is different than being benched in the big show.

    PK gives the team the best chance to win, it is foolhardy to not want to win every game.

    What irregularities are you speaking of? If you let me know what they are I can explain them better.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  143. Bar says:

    The only good thing about tonights game is that Marty is not playing.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  144. Gormdog says:

    When he plays badly and thinks that he’s better than he really is?


    I expect nothing less to be honest.


    Theres a reason why PK with all the talent in the world dropped to the second round in the draft. Big questions about his attitude.

  145. petefleet says:

    Based on last nite’s game, Jersy would be favoured to win with Subie-Doo in not out.

    ”’Price is a pleasant suprise”’

  146. Ian Cobb says:

    Believe me , PK is a very smart young hockey player and strong person. He will sit and watch the game up top, making mental notes that will help in his development. I have no problem in his ability to turn this into a positive.

  147. krob1000 says:

    Well the vets gave up…Spacek had two BRUTAL shifts, Cammi gave no effort on two important backchecks, Gomez makes more turnovers happen than Pillsbury.  To start the day we were a favourite or even with Jersey…with PK out we are an underdog….that simple.  Obviously I hope like hell we win…but I will not feel silly about my posts because I adamantly disagree with this.  He renigged on Spacek sitting a couple of weeks ago.  I don;t view this as teaching PK a lesson…I view it as diminishing our chances at 2 points…for that reason I am pissed.  Sure we may win..but our chances jsut decreased dramatically and we did it to ourselves.  So rest assured…win or lose…I will not feel silly for my post. 

  148. rocketsglare says:

    ….. and I thought we had the Oilers game in the bag also.


    Go Habs Go!

  149. Gormdog says:

    pretty sure standing up and taking responsability can happen in the minors as well. Point is benching still does happen, everywhere, sometimes it is effective, sometimes it isnt, but to use it as a label on JM as being “so oldschool” when supermodernpsychologistwhizkid Boucher does the same thing it amiss at best.


    It is foolhardy to not want to win every game? So we should Play Price every single game, because that’s what matters I guess. Gives us the best chance to win night in night out in each individual game. Nothing to be said for long term progress, or looking ahead at the schedule, or resting players, or giving them a game on the sidelines to watch that this team succedes as a TEAM not by hotdog individual efforts at the blue line when we are already leading. Nope, no sir, win tonight and that’s all we should ever care about.


    Subban will be a Hab for the next 10 years. Plenty of time to treat him like the untouchable god he will hopefully turn into.

  150. Rudy says:

    Was Tyler Myers ever benched last year?

    “Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan

  151. rocketsglare says:

    Is this confirmed? I find it hard to believe that Marty will not be starting tonight. He seems to enjoy playing

    against the Habs. Now there’s news if Marty does not play tonight.


    Go Habs Go!

  152. Bar says:

    Where is this attitude issue problem? The issue with PK (if there is one) is his ON ICE play, not his attitude, an attitude which has been lauded by teamates, media alike.

    You’re comparing apples to oranges, goalies and skaters. Skaters CAN play 82 games goalies have not, so your argument there is null.

    I personally see NO benefit to PK sitting, he’s admitted to know what he has to change, why punish him AND the team.

    Also, just because Boucher did it, doesn’t mean it correct. I am in the camp that says archaic coaching methods will not serve coaches well in this newer, younger NHL.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  153. krob1000 says:

    better sit several guys tehn…somehow PK played so bad last night that Martin played him 4 minutes more than any other player omn the entire team…go figure….he must have really sucked.  He played 25 minutes last night….he played poorly for himself…but he is still better than every damn we have that has two functioning knees…..that is just the reality.  So…will sitting him help? I don’t know…I don’t believe it will.  Will PK play great next game and from here on in……probably…he has with very few exceptions been great so of course he will be better next game…he would be tonight too likely ….but weakening our team on back to back nights against a team we should be able to beat is just not smart to me.  PK knows full well what he did..he knew right away after the game…..what is this teaching him? that the older you are the less accountability you have….I am not a fan of this move and nobody is going to convinvce me otherwise so don;t bother.  I ama big believer in confidence and I think we are seeing confidence hurting guys like Gomez, Gio earlier, Pk since all of the negativity, Cammi, Price last year, Pleks the year before,etc.  I don;t think this move does anthing but weaken us for tonight.

  154. habfan53 says:

    He is not cleared to come back until next week.  Also Jamie Langdenbruner is still out

  155. Bar says:

    Yeah, I saw this confirmed on the NJ Blog and on other sites, he’s not even in the lineup as a backup. It’s Hedberg tonight.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  156. Gormdog says:

    So you don’t think Pk has anything to learn? That he could use a game in the presser to realize he shoudlnt make stoopid plays like he made last night?


    When PK comes out in his next game and plays one of the best he’s ever had in a Habs colors… Will you guys apologize for all the senseless JM bashing? Of course not, it will just be moving on to the next negative.


    We havnt even played the game and you are acting like we’ve lost it already without a damn rookie in the lineup. Lighten up kids! 😛

  157. rocketsglare says:

    The trials and tribulations of a young player in the JM system. P.K. will just be fine.


    Go Habs Go!

  158. rocketsglare says:

    Thanks for the updates on Marty.


    Go Habs Go!

  159. habaddict_andy says:

    I don’t think Jacque Martin want to play desperate.  He believes Subban has something to learn, if sitting him will do the job, then that’s fine.

  160. krob1000 says:

    Weber is young and may still surprise but he can’t skate, pass, think, hit, play defense as well as PK…we have all seen enough of each of them to know that.  You are suggesting that Weber is better than Spacek or Hammer but is being hidden in the pressbox yet Subban is no big loss despite often being our leading minute man, best puck mover ? This is why I am glad HIO isn’t all positive to the point of delusion.  I am not that excited to see Weber play a full shift….I may be if both Markov and Sbban were playng…but we ahve seen what our team is like without Markov and Subban in the lineup…..I hope the boys are ready to block shots or that the guys raly around PK and step it up because this is not a recipe for success.  The forward s are really going to have to bust their asses tonight and be smart on the walls, there can be no cheating and from that perspective this game may help them more than it helps Subban.  If Weber can play even hockey I will be ecstatic and if he can play a regular shift I will be thrilled…if he gets  apoint on the PP fantastic….but he will not anywhere near as effective as PK….even last nights PK who still led the team in icetime by 4 minutes.

  161. habaddict_andy says:

    I wonder sitting Subban tonight resulted from Jacques or the coaching staff bieng unable to get through to him.  He has been given some lectures already in the past probably.  Last nights egualiser was from Subban’s mistake by taking a risk an unneccessary risk.  Why take a risk when leading by a goal.  Subban is awesome and nobody can take that away from him.  He still needs to learn few things.  He’s a good guy and he can handle a little tap on the wrist.

  162. krob1000 says:

    He already learned the lesson last night…..he had to be held accoutnable by the media, to his teammates, hios team lost, etc….this does nothing that wasn’t already done last night.  Of course he will be better next game but I think he would be just as great tonight bouncing back from what he has already learned…..maybe in the pressbox he will learn how to make paper airplanes instead? The best place for him in Jersey is playing defense IMO.  I believe in getting back on the horse, I believe in confidence and for someone who claims that we are all being negative it is yuo who wishes to use the negative punishment instead of allowing Pk to positively redeem himself on the ice.  In actuality it is JM and the sitting him line of thinking that is the negativity in this situation.  I am reacting negatively to the negativity displayed my Martin…..of that much…I am positive.

  163. Gormdog says:

    Lol… Crackin me up Krob… I just think everyone is making too big a deal of it…

    You can learn on the ice, but you can also learn by watching. Not everyone Ryders it up and makes airplanes :)

  164. krob1000 says:

    actually no….the equalizer was scored on another Cammi turnover, PK could have bailed him out but Cammi turned the puck over at the blueline…he was helped by a trip that should have been called too.  yeah it was a risk….but it happened in heartbeat in transition….he tried to take the man out to by sliding…unfortunately both the man and the puck got by. What to you really think he is going to learn in the pressbox….seriously…I just don;t get this type of punishment…who has it worked with?

  165. habfan53 says:

    First with or without PK in tonight I expect the HABS to win inspite of JM not because of him.

    Yes PK has a lot to learn but by singleing him out for last night  ? he already admitted he screwed up.

    By sitting Subban and bringing in Weber you are weaking the team because they are not at the same talent level.

    The time to discipline him was last night after the 3rd goal bench him then he is smart enough to get the message.

  166. Gormdog says:

    Attitude issues – Unwillingness to change his game for the better of the team. It’s selfish. He played the way the coaches wanted him to in the playoffs, and it worked out quite well for Soobie and the Habs alike.


    Now he thinks he’s the star of the town and i’m sure JM has told him to REEL it in. Do you see reeling it in? I see spin moves left right and center, bad blue like keep ins, and neutral zone passes at the skates in key situations. An inability to listen to your coach is an attitude problem, check his old scouting reports it IS an issue with PK.


    Benching isnt archaic – it’s timeless. Not going to play the way Coach wants you to? Not gonna play! We’ll see how PK comes out the next game and how Weber fares tonight before we judge Jaques ECF Martin on his archaic methods on this one…

  167. Bugs says:


    Check, please.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  168. Bar says:

    Just because it’s worked in the past, doesn’t mean it’ll work this time. This is what I’m trying to get across to you. The NHL is evolving and I see no reason to believe this is right course of action. IF Markov was in the lineup sure. It’s like sitting Cammy if we had trouble scoring goals, or sitting Plek if having trouble on the PK.

    ~Habs Fans: Killing Prospects is a past time!~

  169. Gormdog says:

    I thought PK was smart enough to keep his eye on the puck when being “last man shifting off” after an in-the-skates suicide pass in OVERTIME.


    It’s BECAUSE PK has so much talent that games like yesterday happen. It’s not always about talent you know, decision making comes into the process. Kovalev is more talented than Gio but i know who i would rather have in my lineup.

  170. Mark C says:

    That was a bad play due to the situation, under 7 minutes to go with a one goal lead, a D should not be leaving his feet to try to keep a puck in at the offensive blue line. Subban was a bit unlucky that the puck took the bounce that it did, but he has to back off and play the 2-on-2 in that situation.

  171. habfan53 says:

    What worked with Stamkos was getting rid of Melrose

  172. krob1000 says:

    where are the coaches that benched Stamkos now?

  173. Gormdog says:

    PK saying he has learned from his mistakes doesn’t mean much. He’s making the same over eager/terrible decisions plays that made him an AHL highlight reel but an NHL liability at time.

    Lets talk about WEBER 😀

  174. Gormdog says:

    I’m curious then – As JM where do you draw the line? What do you do?


    Clearly he has told PK many times to cut down on the uneccesary risks. CLEARLY PK has not been listening. It’s early in the season but i dont see any less propensity for PK to make ill advised risky plays (except for the stretch with markov in the lineup).


    Pk thinks he’s so good that he’ll make risky plays that hurt the team. And you know what? Mostly those risks, when successful, don’t even lead to production. PK’s points have come from solid first passes out of the zone, NOT from spin-o-subbans and diving keepins!

  175. krob1000 says:

    and sitting 200 feet above the rink does what for that? If this is really such a cure all why did it not work with OB or Boyd…geez Boyd should be a damn hockey rocket scientist along with Weber by now with all that time out there.  We should dress Boyd and Weber…then we will be unstoppable because of all that they have learned in the great learning box.  They should offer seminars to the veterans to share their new found knowledge acquired from the University of Pressboxia.  We should trade for OB back immediately so he can author some text books for the D …but hurry up because he is losing all of that knowledge in Colorado…those idiots have him learning on the ice.

  176. Bugs says:

    Hey, man, you asked a question, there’s your answer.

    That’s the last time it worked. Regardless of which coach is where now.

    Check paid. Visa ok? I’m out.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  177. Bugs says:

    Yes, so that Tocchet could sit him out too.

    Tragically misunderstood, please bite

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central:

  178. Gormdog says:

    But PK has been told before by JM (surely) and yet we find ourselves last night once again watching the PK subban show instead of Nos Canadiens. He said he’s learned, just like he said after the weaksauce Tbay game. Has he REALLY learned? Seems…. not. JM is trying something else… And if it leads to Subban cutting down on the bad judgement plays, isn’t that a good thing?

  179. Gormdog says:

    I bust your balls about your style of argumentation but i love it when you are arguing the same side as me…

  180. Gormdog says:

    Boyd was in the pressbox because he wasn’t very good. O’B because he wasnt as good as our other d men.


    Props to pressboxia but it’s clear Subban needs some reigning in and apparantly words don’t work with him. SO JM is trying actions.


    Thats the point. Subban can play 25 strong minutes, be SO good, and them make terribles plays that would get you benched in a peewee game. When you are ahead, you dont take stupid low percentage risks to keep a puck in at the blue line only to have a 2 on 1 come the other way. It’s super, super, super basic strategy. But Subban thinks he’s SO good that he just automatically assumes he can do it without heeding the repercussions. It’s bad. And now he will get 60-65 minutes to think about those repercussions because clearly he doesnt think of them whilst playing.

    We should send Subban to Pessboxia and Gomez to Bovine University. I hope someone gets that 😛

  181. Gormdog says:

    I’ll take “old school”in’ it all the way to the ECF thankyouverymuch.

    So.. what you are saying is… A modern coach would never “embarass” a player like Subban by making him a healthy scratch after a bad night…


    Like… uh… Guy Boucher… who… uh….  BENCHED PK  LAST SEASON AFTER A BAD GAME.


    Give up a 2 goal lead and the crazies come out!

  182. SeriousFan09 says:

    Markov shuttled between the Quebec Citadelles in the AHL and the Habs in his first two NHL seasons actually and do you remember what the roster looked like on D for the 2000-01 and 01-02 seasons? Markov didn’t get the keys to the kingdom and all of his errors ignored.

    You are being far too alarmist over a single comment made by Pacioretty in a poorly conducted interview, he’s a kid as well and said some of the right things the wrong way. They’re handling Pacioretty with the development he never got in the AHL to begin with, it’s not some contrived plot keeping him in Hamilton to develop him. There is no set way of coaching in the NHL and you can’t make such a wide-ranging claim that there is only one way to handle player discipline.

    Sorry JM isn’t handling the team the way you think it should be run, but their record is far stronger than anyone from your negativity section of the Commentariat was willing to credit them with and JM’s coaching has something to do with that.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  183. Ian Cobb says:

    I was critical of Martin last year for this attitude of play. But after I saw what he was able to do in the play offs last year, I had to be less critical. We are very well ahead of last year at this time in the schedule. We have  much better team play all round this year.

    So yes, I am not happy to squander these points, but we must understand, there is very little difference between top and bottom teams with the new era cap in play. If we go into a defensive shell with the lead, we are asking for trouble. It seems to be a mental block somewhere once we have the lead. I am not going to say it is the coaching or not at this time. But we have to get this attitude changed for sure.

  184. Mark C says:

    Here’s the thing Ed, we don’t know what JM or the other coaches have done with PK, maybe they’ve had private meetings, maybe PK was told to play it safe of the PP late in the 3rd last night. Just because JM is considered “old school” by many does mean he isn’t talking to his players in private. I think we all should take a step back and realize we only know about 10% of what’s going on in situations like this.

  185. Hagar says:

    Yup. All of this junk could’ve been avoided had we just the players vote for the C and A’s. Instead our chosen leaders will always run the risk of being viewed as the pets of management. Funny that management should have to pick our leaders instead of the players when we have so many leaders anyway, and whoever gets a title is gonna have an easy job. What’s the point? And when they finally do pick a leader, they flub it by not picking Markov, lol.

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