Is Doan ready to make a move?

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The Canadiens — along with half the NHL — continue to have interest in Shane Doan, so let’s check in a week after our last Doan update to see what’s new — and a few things are new.

First, the Coyotes captain had been reluctant to fully explore his free agent options while former Sharks president Greg Jamison was pushing forward with plans to buy the team from the NHL.

Doan did meet with the Rangers and Flyers when he was on the East Coast earlier this month for CBA talks but, as Flyers GM Paul Holmgren revealed last week, “I don’t believe he is going to do anything until he has some answers in his mind as to what is happening there. I think he is a very loyal guy. He is loyal to (Coyotes GM) Don Maloney, and the Phoenix franchise. I give him kudos for that. We will see how it plays out. I think in the end he would rather be in Phoenix in a perfect world. It’s where his family has been raised. If he is ready to make a move, we have interest.”

Doan wasn’t getting any answers for a while. His agent Terry Bross said Jamison wasn’t being very communicative about his situation despite pledges Doan and Bross would be kept informed of Jamison’s situation. That supposedly changed this weekend when, according to  Mike Sunnucks of The Phoenix Business Journal, Jamison and Doan got together on Friday night after an ultimatum from Doan and Bross.

The substance of those discussions have not become public but a few other related developments have.

The biggest development is that Jamison seems to not have sufficient money at the moment to buy the club. He’s reportedly $20 million short.

Sunnucks wrote late last week one of Jamison’s partners backed out of the deal and Sunnucks wrote on Saturday, “The Coyotes deal is on tenuous ice but could still happen, according to multiple sources familiar with the team’s three-year ownership saga and uncertain future in the Phoenix market. Jamison is courting new investors and partners to help him cobble together the money and financing needed to purchase the team from the National Hockey League.”

What this means for Doan is uncertain but if the sale to Jamison is delayed much longer, eventually, he’ll have to decide how much long he can tie himself to Phoenix.

That brings us to the second point: Where might Doan go? Lots of clubs want him but his visits with the Rangers and Flyers indicate that he was interested in seeing if there is a potential match with those clubs. Then this past week, TVA reported a source close to Doan said he would visit the Canadiens this week. If true, it would be an indication that Doan, who loved playing in Winnipeg, has interest in returning to play for a Canadian franchise.

The TVA report came out before Jamison finally spoke with Doan but there’s been no indication yet that this meeting with the Habs has been pushed back or cancelled. While other clubs have said they’d like Doan to visit them, there have been no other reports of him scheduling visits elsewhere, which doesn’t mean he hasn’t or won’t.

And this brings us to Point Three: What would it take to land Shane Doan? Doan made $4.55 last season with the Coyotes but John Gambadoroa, a radio reporter in Phoenix, tweeted earlier this month that one unnamed Eastern Conference team supposedly offered him a four-year, $30 million deal. That figure has been bandied about freely and seems to be rather high for Montreal or any team to pay Doan.

Yes, Alexander Semin got $7 million from Carolina last week, but that was for just one year and he’s 27. Doan will be 36 in October and while Doan at that age might be a better player to have in your dressing room than Semin at any age, the fact is that even the most productive older players don’t get that kind of money (see Adam Gretz’s CBS Sportsline very good blog post on Doan’s value for those figures).

Additionally, you have to keep in mind the CBA’s Over-35 Rule: If a team signs a multi-year deal with a player who will be 35 or older, starting in the second year of the contract, the full amount of that contract counts against the team’s salary cap regardless of whether the player is on the active roster or not. Putting aside for a second whatever changes may be made in the CBA going forward, this is a large number for an aging player that won’t go away even if Doan retires before the four years ends.

Nevertheless, that four-year, $30 million deal became the subject of lots of discussion last week, especially when TSN’s Aaron Ward tweeted “All indications Detroit #RedWings out of Shane Doan sweepstakes. Asking price too high.” No one from the Wings confirmed that, but most assumed GM Ken Holland would find better things to do with that money.

That was followed up with a story by David Shoalts of The Globe and Mail that reported, “A source familiar with Doan’s talks with other NHL teams said it is thought it will take a four-year contract worth a total of $30-million (all currency U.S.) to get him.”

But Shoalts was quick to add in the next paragraph that, “Terry Bross, Doan’s agent, said they have not made any specific demands although they are in possession of offers from six teams.”

Shoalts concluded that, “There are teams willing to pay Doan between $7-million and $7.5-million because of his leadership and two-way play but only for one or perhaps two years. However, the source said there will probably be at least one team willing to cough up that much for four years.”

Maybe, maybe not. Perhaps Doan will be more interested in playing for a club where he feels comfortable than one that may be less to his liking but will throw a huge contract at him. In this very interesting off-season, we’ve already seen players decide to not take the biggest dollar amount on the table to play where they feel some sort of emotional attachment.

None of this is to suggest that Shane Doan is destined to wear bleu, blanc et rouge when the next NHL season starts. He’s got to decide to leave the Coyotes first, still no sure thing, and then he’d decide where he’d go, why he’d want to go there and for how much. Each team that interests Doan will have things in their favor.

Still, Doan’s interest in the Habs doesn’t seem as remote as some might have thought even a week ago.

1,011 Comments

  1. SmartDog says:

    According to TSN, the Habs offered PK Subban a 5.5 million dollar deal for two years ($2.75/year)
    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=402069

    Sounds like our new GM is playing hardball – and good for him. PK must be the only guy in Montreal wishing Gauthier was still in charge.
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    • HabinBurlington says:

      And PK’s agent has already refuted this report. Sounds more like RDS is playing throw bullsh*t rumours on the airwaves and see what happens.

    • ed lopaz says:

      the RDS report sounds quite certain. Subban wants a long term deal.

      Habs are offering 2 years and 5.5 total.

      http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/345436.html

      • nunacanadien says:

        Subban did not post great results but showed promise in the power play. Kaberle who was hired to buck up the power play looked ruffled and pissed a few times when Subban would not cover off his zone with checks etc. Sure Subban can hit when he wants but most of the time he is another slacker on the club. You can see Subban wanting to skate freely and blitz the net, you would think Subban would be a natural forward. We need not another Subban, unless he grows two more inches and gains like a thousand pounds, then Subban could be a real defenseman protecting our prima donna goalie burnout Price. Price has yet to shine and win games. We need some real leadership on the ice and off the ice. Not some rich Mexican who is in it for his own gain.

  2. fastfreddy says:

    Where does RDS get their info from. Who’s their “inside guy”?

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  3. Habitant in Surrey says:

    ….here is My contribution to little Jimmy’s educational savings plan

  4. HabsFanMTL says:

    RDS has reported that PK wants long term and the Habs have offered up 5.5 MIL for 2 years so they are not even close to a deal. What puzzles me though is how Moen at his age can get a 4 year deal and we can’t offer PK our future superstar long term…????

    • shiram says:

      Because RDS is making it up.
      Also because Moen is already an UFA, while Subban is an RFA and a longer deal would eat some of his UFA years.

      • Ali says:

        you’ve made a case for why the Habs should want a long-term contract and that PK should want a short-term contract, not the other way around.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think the point Shiram is making also is that when offering a RFA a contract the term is very difficult. If you go long term you are essentially buying UFA years, whereas going short term you can get away with lower money because the team is still in more control. Moen had the leverage to sign anywhere, whereas PK currently can only negotiate with Montreal. Going long term with PK will cost much more money.

  5. HabFanSince72 says:

    Looks like we’re having an election!

    According to JdeM Quebec’s version of the Tea Party (the PQ) is in the lead!

    How will this impact Shane Doan’s decision?


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    • shiram says:

      Politics and hockey feels like drinking a glass of orange juice after brushing your teeth.

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        Politics and hockey fit perfectly for me. My political leanings and the hockey team I support give me a moral superiority over EVERYONE.

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      • HabFanSince72 says:

        While to others they’re like sex and pizza.


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    • jon514 says:

      They’ll hate it. They want him to be a Nordique when Phoenix folds and moves North.

      “This Team is Less than the sum of it’s parts while Gomez is one of those parts.”

  6. punkster says:

    Woohoo…1000!

    Little Jimmy gets that inflatable replica of Gomez he always wanted!

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  7. HabFarmer says:

    Almost at 1000 comments so I thought I would do my part.

    There, done. Now I feel a sense of accomplishment.

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  8. commandant says:

    The Sky isn’t falling people.

    Carey Price signed in September 2010.

    and

    The reported offer for P.K. Subban is being denied by Meehan.

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  9. TommyB says:

    Slow news day at RDS? Subban “reported” to have been offered yada yada yada. If this report comes from Marc Bergevin take it to the bank, otherwise pffft.

    Let’s say the report was accurate, though. Subban is entering his third full year. He is a RFA, not a UFA. He has accumulated 38 and 36 pts the last two years. I’ll absolutely agree that he is a very good player, who may get even better, but what kind of money do some of you want to throw at him? His next contract should be the cash-in contract, not this one.

  10. Mr. Biter says:

    Just to stay on money (just not hockey money) I just found out the a gold medal is worth $25,000.00 a sliver $15,000.00 and a bronze $10,000.00 at the Olympics. Who else knew about this?

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    • coutNY says:

      http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post.aspx?post=4ca66d5a-e067-4b78-923a-9f437ed6fa4e

      It might be their actual worth if they were pure Gold… the real worth is around according to article: the gold medal is worth around $650. The silver medal is worth about $330 and the bronze medal is worth just $3.

      now some countries give bonus money for winning the metal:
      Canada and United States Olympic Committee pays its medal winners $25,000 to gold medal winners, $15,000 to those who take home a silver and $10,000 for a bronze. Some of the richer U.S. sport federations give additional prize money to their winners as well.

      heres an old reference:
      http://www.sportsnet.ca/olympics/2008/08/13/canada_money_medals/

    • habstrinifan says:

      Are you talking about face value… the value of the precious metal content?

      If so, I was about to say no way but I better explain. Only two weekends ago I went on a tour of the Mint here in Ottawa where they were displaying the 2010 gold, silver and bronze medals which were made by the Royal Canadian mint for the 2010 Olympics. The Royal Canadian Mint is very highly thought of around the world and is contracted to make coins for many nations.

      I cannot recall the value of the Gold and Silver medals.. let’s just say they reflected the price of gold and silver respectively. But the bronze medal was worth, face value that is, mere dollars… i think like under 10 dollars. I remember the entire tour group being shocked.
      Now to a collectore who prizes it as an ‘olympic’ medal… then that is different.

    • ont fan says:

      A Gold Olympic medal is made mostly from silver…cost $700.00. A gold medal has to contain 6 grams of gold.

  11. Chrisadiens says:

    The delicate balance of a cap friendly deal or over-paying. I’ll take the cap friendly deal every time. Call me crazy…

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  12. HabFab says:

    engelheather #Habs: Raphael Diaz nominated for Swiss Ice Hockey Association’s 2011-12 Hockey Award, for top performance by a Swiss player.

    For the haters :P

  13. accp says:

    Markov gets 5-mil a year probably luck in to play 20 games this year and our best defenceman is offered 2.75mil. what an insult. PK if you’re smart you’ll move on. you can get better than that. maybe PG wasn’t that bad after all. at least he handed out good contracts to players not as good as PK. that doesn’t mean he’s right. wow! can’t believe this offer….

    • shiram says:

      The contract offer has been refuted, but you can’t compare a UFA to a RFA.

    • mark-ID says:

      Markov also gets 5.75mil to be exact

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    • Lizardking89 says:

      So PG overpaid for Markov and you consider that a “good” contract? MB is a smart guy and has smart people working for him 2.75 to 3 mil sounds like a fair deal to me. Why pay big money for him now in his RFA years? He’ll get his big payday when he’s no longer an RFA.

    • Andy and the habs says:

      What is wrong with this post is that people and sometimes GM’s are willing to spend crazy amount of money based on potential rather than experience. comparing PK and Markov is comparing 12 year old scotch over an 18 year scotch. Markov was paid based on his experience as a diffensement not based on his lack of health 2 years prior. When Markov has the puck, the confidence on ice of players is completely different.

      Although PK is a star in the making, he is not there and should not be paid as such. Markov when healthy is 2 million dollar discount player. After 3 years, people are forgetting who he is.

  14. fastfreddy says:

    I think MB should offer PK 3YRS. $10 MIL. Fair deal, he’ll make the big bucks next contract.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • krob1000 says:

      I think that is about right anywhere but Motntreal…he probably gets 3.75 or 4 for playing in Quebec and scores big on his next one. The only way he should get more than 4 million is if the contract eats into his RFA years…which would be a huge contract in both term and money and could very well be possible and explain the time being taken in negotiating. We all know a ton of money comes off the books in the next two years…Subban may be well advised to wait it out and sign for 2 years for around 7-8 million and then strike when the cash is flowing everywhere…

  15. Chrisadiens says:

    P.K.’s agent just refuted RDS’ “report”.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  16. krob1000 says:

    I do not see the big freak out..I think Subban should get around 3-4 million per (only 4 because the Habs pay a premium) …the Habs offer as a starting point is about right. Subban was still a healthy scratch at times and had some downtimes…he is full of promise and was only the minutes leader by default with markov out. He is an RFA…the Habs are in control as Sather was with Dubinsky,etc. People complain about Kaberle making 4.25 and he puts up as many points as Subban….he is not as good defensivley…but then again he doesn’t make blatant rookie blunders and has to be rewarded for his career play as well…..seniority has traditionally mattered in the NHL…that is until the owners started going nuts with 2nd contracts…traditionally players didn’t hit the jackpot untilt heir third contract and that is the way it should be. Too many players fade after a few years of the good life.
    Subban has a ton of earning potential ahead of him….the RFA period is supposed to be the time in which the team benefits the most…this offer is fine and they should settle around 3-4 million(I would say 4 with Quebec taxes,etc if it is 2 years and higher is a long term deal. Now next cotnract? I suspect it will be far different…and by then Beaulieu and Tinordi and others should be in the mix to make less money and eat quality minutes to keep the books and cap managed. This makes sense given the other contracts, etc….

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK maybe the offer to PK isn’t that bad.

    Logan Couture was drafted in the same year as PK and has played the same number of games. He has an impressive 130 pts in 184 games.

    He just signed roughly the same contract the Habs offered PK (2 years at $5.75M).


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  18. JUST ME says:

    RDS strikes again ! Yet another story coming from who knows where and who knows who. Just do not give any credit to it cause this is not MB `s way of negociating so far in leaking info or going public with private dealings.

    Hey ! It will make for another 1000 comments on pure speculation à la Doan that was never confirmed by the Habs !
    I am not that naive.

  19. fastfreddy says:

    I’ll take Eller over Desharnais as a first line centre. IMO, DD played well because he had 2 good wingers . I think Eller is more offensive and defensive than DD.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I 100% disagree with your comment “DD has played well because of he has had 2 good wingers” They ALL had career years not just DD. Give the guy some credit…..
      At every level he succeeded and even did well playing the third line they year before with the habs and was the leading point getter after the all star break….I guess that was because he was playing with Cole and Max…oh wait no he wasn’t

      • fastfreddy says:

        We’ll see who sticks around longer, DD or ELLER? I get a feeling once DD’s contract is up, the habs may let him go. I don’t see them giving him a big contract. Just my opinion.

        CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Andy and the habs says:

      ok, im posting just to let u know we do not have the same view. :)
      Eller and DD are 2 different players IMHO. Eller has more size obviously. He ha shown potential with his puck handling capability. But what DD shwed last year was his vision of the game. A split second quicker than other players he is is an advantage DD has over Eller.

      Of course if Eller has more advantage with his size. he has yet to show play making vision that gives a better edge to DD.

  20. Raining in New York, again and now I hear about Subban being dissed? What is that about? Throwing money around for players like Weber and Nash, yet trying to nickle and dime one of our own? I just lost my lunch and lot’s of respect for MB. Besides, Alfie going back to work for $1 million and he produces, so why not look to fill some holes with Jason Arnott who also won’t be expensive and can score as well as Kristian Huselius who, if healthy can pop 20 in the net? Sure there is some age on the Habs, but if they are going to toss Subban with little in return, I may as well just focus on the Rangers. They are closer, although part of my soul will be ripped out!

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  21. Propwash says:

    I remember when not too long ago, roughly the first third of the season, people were throwing P.K under the bus and wanted him traded for essentially nothing but draft picks.

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  22. HabFanSince72 says:

    $2.75M for PK is an insult.

    They gave Emelin $2M.


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  23. ProHabs says:

    Oh Oh. Subban holding out and Collberg getting seriously injured. This isn’t good. This is not the way it was suppose to play out.

    I don’t blame Subban for not accepting that offer. It is a joke. He should be our best paid Dman, making more than Georges and Markov.

  24. Feraco says:

    Is anyone working this site for the summer? Lol Doan still the lead story???

  25. Kfourn says:

    Subban reported to be offered 2.75 per year for 2 years by the Habs. Buying a few RFA years for him to prove himself I think is fair. Maybe Bergevin holding out for the new CBA before he gives him his long term contract?

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    • coutNY says:

      Fair? Not sure he see’s that way, with top rookie prospects getting the max for higher $$$ amounts ($3.25) and 3 year terms when most won’t have an impact until late into their contract. I could see him pushing for this range and amount. He’s probably pushing for Mike Green money, but I see him settle on 3ys for $9 million is my guess.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      If this is true, I’m surprised MB wouldn’t want to sign Subban to a longer term deal while he’s still relatively “cheap”. PK is only going to get better and with the amount of minutes he logs he’ll be up for a big raise in 2 yrs.

  26. Kfourn says:

    Subban reported to be offered 2.75 per year for 2 years by the Habs. Buying a few RFA years for him to prove himself I think is fair. Maybe Bergevin holding out for the new CBA before he gives him his long term contract?

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  27. accp says:

    All this nonsense about Doan. He has no intention of playing for Montreal. He’s looking for a team that would provide his best chance to win a cup. no offence to Habs fans but the team is not close to being cup contenders. any news with Doans name in it. just skip it and move on. He won’t be in Montreal…. He’s looking for money and a cup contender and Montreal don’t have either.

  28. Lafleurguy says:

    In 2007-2008, the Habs scored 262 goals compared to last season’s 212. Markov had 16 goals, 42 assists equating to 58 points. The top six forwards were Alexei Kovalev, Tomas Plekanec, Andrei Kostitsyn, Saku Koivu, Christopher Higgins, and Michael Ryder. Mark Streit, Guillaume Latendresse, and even Bryan Smolinski, Sergei Kostitsyn, and Maxim Lapierre chipped in with secondary scoring. Only two of these guys are now out of the NHL. I don’t think the current roster has the offensive output of that year’s team which scored the most goals of any Habs team since the “last” lockout, and the most since 1995-1996, the year the team started 0-5, had Ronald Corey fire both Serge Savard, and Jacques Demers, and saw Patrick Roy traded to Colorado.

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  29. naweed235 says:

    So as per RDS, the Habs and Subban are not close to a contract that both sides are comfortable with. Subban is reportedly looking for a long term and the Habs have offered him a 2 yr – $5.5M contract.
    Let the freakouts begin.

  30. HabFanSince72 says:

    The NHL should follow the lead of the IOC.

    If Badminton players can be expelled from the games for deliberately losing, why do the Edmonton Oilers keep getting rewarded with number one picks?

    http://www.businessinsider.com/eight-badminton-players-disqualified-from-olympics-2012-8


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  31. habsnyc says:

    This season, Montreal will have five players age 30 or more with contracts of $5 million or more per year. None of these players is on their way to the Hall of Fame. All these players are on the downside of their career.

    Contrast that with the Kings, where only one player age 30 or more, Gagne, is under contract for over $4 million for this season and that contract expires this season. The bulk of the Kings’ payroll is going to players entering or in their prime all of whom are under long term deals.

    To contend, Montreal must roll over the salary spent on players in the declining years of their careers. While the age of a team matters, the salary weighted age of a team is even more meaningful. A team that spends all its money on older players risks losing younger players to free agency or offer sheet. A team that is committed to retaining youth, loses veterans which are often more readily replaced.

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    • mark-ID says:

      Take a look at the graph that shows average age of team. Some pretty good teams with the oldest average….wouldn’t you say. Then look at the youngest teams……older averaged teams, according to this chart….have the better teams….on average.

      http://www.quanthockey.com/TS/TS_AverageAge.php

      My point being that not all teams who spend big money on older players..won’t have a good shot at the cup. I think Detroit would have to be the best example.

      With that being said….4 years to a player 35+ is too much….considering if anything happens to him(retires etc)…his cap hit would remain. But if we were to overpay to get Doan for 3 years or less….I would be willing to take that risk.

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      • habsnyc says:

        Referencing Montreal’s over 30 players, I wrote: ” None of these players is on their way to the Hall of Fame.” Older teams, with HoF players like the Penguins, Red Wings and Devils are a different story entirely. HoF players do not age at the rate of regular players. Salary rules are different for the very few most skilled players.

        I also wrote that that age of team weighted for salary matters more than the age of the teams. I believe my conclusion that Montreal will not contend until they turn over their older, highly paid players stands.

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        • mark-ID says:

          Guys like Gionta, Cole, Markov….are not at all bad players…so come on now. I’m not even going to count Gomez….because if we needed cap space for anything, all we need to do is send him to Hamilton.

          You say these other “older teams” have HOF’ers…..which players are you talking about. Brodeur and Lidstrom….who else? Sorry but I don’t necessarily think these other teams that you mention are putting their money to better use with their older guys. It isn’t like all our money is going to 3rd and 4th liners.

          If you meant something else, then I apologize…I just don’t think we are in that rough of shape with older contracts. Most expire in a couple of years anyways.

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  32. Dr.Rex says:

    Shane DOan just seen ordering combo #4 at La Belle Province on St Jacques.

  33. accp says:

    Training camp lines: Providing we keep Gomez around.

    Cole — Pleks — Gionta
    Max-pac — DD — Bourque
    Eller — Gomez — Armstrong
    Moen — White — Prust

    Note: can’t put Eller on the 4th line, have to use him on L/W if Gomez stays around.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      WOw! NOt only is GOmez stealing a roster spot but according to this lineup he is now hindering Eller’s development at center. What a mess!

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        this is what I’m worried about

      • savethepuck says:

        It actually wouldn’t surprise me. In Dudley’s Toronto radio interview a few weeks ago, when asked about Eller, he said he has great upside and can play all 3 forward positions. It gave me a hint they are thinking of putting him on the wing. I am definitely not saying I would agree with the decision, but I think there is a good possibility it happens.

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    • accp says:

      Dr.Rex – you figure out what you would do with gomez should management keep him on the team. do you think they’re gonna pay him 7-mil to sit on the bench or in the press box. I think Molson’s would have something to say about that. would you want Eller centering the 4th line. I doubt very much if you’ll see gomez there getting 7-mil. it would be the biggest joke of the centuary. you could switch position with Eller. can’t see that happening either. we’ll wait and see. but you won’t see Gomez on the 4th line. they’ll get rid of him first. other than the 4th liners. Eller is the weakest player on the team. maybe it’s the way he’s being used let’s see what happens this year. there’s not many spots open for him till Mr. Gomez is rid of….

  34. The Dude says:

    Ditch Gomer and go get Evander Kane and give the guy a long term so we can have two strong lines for the love of hockey gods!As it stands right now the Habs Have One Line just like last year and that’s not how you play NHL’s game .

  35. HabFab says:

    Habsfuture: Habs fans dont panic but Sebastian Collberg hurt his shoulder & wont be in Lake Placid U-20 tournament later this month.

  36. HabFab says:

    EOTP is starting their annual Top 25 Under 25 Habs list, first article addresses those no longer to be ranked;
    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2012/8/1/3212767/top-25-under-25-those-that-are-no-longer-with-us#storyjump

    • savethepuck says:

      Looks to me like we didn’t lose too much, with the new kids coming, our cupboard is a lot fuller than this time last year.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  37. Psycho29 says:

    I dozed off before, and had a dream that I logged into HI/O and the the thread was so old, the headline was:

    Howie Morenz traded to Black Hawks

  38. shiram says:

    2 cents worth, I don’t usually do these, but might as well while news is slow to trickle in.

    Bourque-Desharnais-Cole
    Pacioretty-Plekanec-Gio
    Moen-Eller-Armstrong
    Prust-Nokelainen-White

    Keep DD with Cole and Patches for the first PP wave.
    Second wave could be Plekanec with Gio and Bourque/Eller.
    PK first wave could be Eller with Moen, second wave would be Plekanec with Prust/White.

    Pleks gets both special teams second wave to keep him fresh and so Eller can get more duties, also why I think he could be tried at wing on the PP with Plekanec.
    Both top line have a good mix of skills, size, scoring and playmaking.
    You give DD’s line most of the faceoffs in the opponent’s zone, and you give the defensive zone starts to any of the 3 remaining lines.

    Tweak™ away.

    • 123456 says:

      if you are intentionally leaving out gomez then the habs will have his cap space to work with – in that scenario i’d try to replace bourque with ????

      • Phil C says:

        There are no more free agents of value to sign. You could argue that Gomez’s cap space is already of no value for this season. A trade is possible to take on cap space, but that would usually involve cap space and assets going the other way, or prospects going the other way, neither of which is ideal or achieves the goal.

      • shiram says:

        I would not worry about spending to the cap this year, if anything the team is already eating enough management salary as it is, plus it leaves the team open for a deal if it comes to that at the trade deadline.

    • mksness says:

      i think yo’ll want to see armstrong on the PK.

      • shiram says:

        He was not playing much PK for the Leafs, but he could take White’s spot I guess.

        • mksness says:

          depends on his health this year. also for the powerplay, i think habs might play with 4 forwards and one D. the need to generate offence from the point will greatly help the PP. i hope PK is practicing…

          • shiram says:

            Well I’m pretty sure all of Subban, Markov and Kaberle, barring a trade, will get PP time, but the last spot is up for grabs. Maybe that’s where Eller swings in.

  39. punkster says:

    You can tell it’s summer on HI/O when folks:
    a) miss the tongue in cheek aspect of an Ian Cobb post
    b) advocate loading up on another older, overpriced player with a tough to move contract
    c) pine for the loss of a one trick pony over an all around acknowledged talent and leader

    Come on people…think…they will not let PK get away, Doan is only a good move on a short term deal and the only “C” on Cammy’s jersey was on the back.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “the only “C” on Cammy’s jersey was on the back.” Well…, not really, unless you mean…, then…
      I walked into this conversation at the wrong time.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Don’t all of those also go on in Spring, Fall and Winter?


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  40. Kooch7800 says:

    Doan is Met with the Vancouver Canucks last night apparently…

    I think this is where he will end up going. he is familiar with the city, they actually are contenders and they really need a type of player like him

  41. Phil C says:

    Discussing the fairness of sending Gomez to Hamilton made me think how lucky the players are to have guaranteed contracts. What other profession could you keep your pay if you lose your skills? I don’t think Air Canada will keep paying a pilot if he can’t land a plane anymore. Even the NFL allows players to be cut anytime before the season starts. I know guaranteed contracts are a safety issue, but it would be nice if the players had some sort of commitment to maintain their skills and fitness.

    How about this: If a player clears waivers, he automatically must go on re-entry waivers at half the cost. If no team will take him even at 50% of what his former market value was, then this would void the contract and the player would become an unrestricted free agent. Avery and Souray are recent examples of players who were not even taken on re-entry waivers.

    This would mean that contracts are still guaranteed, but a player has to maintain at least 50% of his former market value to keep his pay. If he can’t, then he is not forced to go to the AHL. He can use his UFA status to stay in the league.

    A mechanism to break a bad contract is good for owners and teams obviously. It would arguably be better for players as a whole because that cap money would go back into the player pool to be spent on other more deserving players.

    • commandant says:

      What about a player who loses his skills not because of a loss of skills or fitness, but due to injury. Should they lose their contracts too.

      Also, once you open this door, you open the door to holdouts too.

      What if a player exceeds his expectations and would get more than double his current salary? Can he not hold out and ask for more? The NHL got rid of holdouts for players under contract and renegotiation part way through the term in the last CBA. That was the right move IMO, teams and players should abide by the contracts they sign.

      But if you want to remove the requirement on the owners to abide by those terms, should we also allow the players to do so?

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      • ed lopaz says:

        what about Salary + Bonus for hitting objectives??

        I think the idea of performance bonuses would work for everyone.

      • Phil C says:

        An injured player is a big problem to what I propose. I would keep the policy for an injured player the same- guaranteed contract for the player, insurance claim and LTIR cap relief for the owners.

        But for a player who is injured, but healthy enough to play, that’s where it could get dangerous for the players, especially with concussions. Perhaps they would need an independent medical assessment approved by the NHLPA to determine if a player is healthy enough for waivers.

        Sure, give the players the same out and apply the same metric. If an arbitrator thinks a player’s worth has doubled from what he signed for, the team must either pay him or he becomes a UFA.

        Anyway I doubt the players would ever give up the status quo. They are much better off than the NFL in this regard.

  42. dabouz says:

    Its been 2 weeks, the same “rumour” whens he coming? probably not, media giving you false hope

    db out.

  43. L Elle says:

    A lot of talk about Doan. All good arguments.

    Most of us are diehard Hab fans that won’t likely be supporting another team anytime soon.

    But what about a whole generation of kids who barely know who Larry Robinson is, and what he meant to our Habs?

    Doan may cost too much, or even be “over the hill”, but management also needs to put some kind of interesting/winning team to attract new fans, and keep the fairweather fans close by. There will be a mass exodus when the Nordiques come back.

    Older fans can sit through Tankgate for a few seasons, but building a strong fanbase is as essential as having great prospects in the pipeline.

    Any way you slice it, the team needs to improve over last years’ shitfest. On the way to contention, the games and players need to be winning more than they are losing.

    Signing Doan would be selling hope to the fans. As well, if the team doesn’t improve steadily, no other player will want to sign here next summer. We need both, great drafting and patience, but also adding that UFA for spice.

    Some complained about Cole’s signing last summer, but imho, thank G, or it would have been an even more depressing season with nothing to cheer at all – a zero line team with a porous defense.

    Doan could be just what the team needs. Get rid of the deadwood, and bring on Doan. I would suggest another player, except there are none left.

    All this to say, fans need something to cheer and get excited about.

    • Kfourn says:

      But that’s the thing, younger generation fans look up to the superstars (Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Weber etc.) which Doan is not. I guarantee you that a lot of the younger generation don’t even really know who Doan is. He is a ‘known’ player, but no Superstar.

      What the Habs need to do is create their own Homegrown Superstars, and that begins by not signing over the hill ‘name’ players.

      _______________________________________________________
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      • L Elle says:

        This is true but other than Price, PK and MaxP who are not quite there yet, there is no one, and the wait is long.

        If Doan were drafted by us, he would’ve been more of a superstar than he is today in a semi-dead market.

        Again, slim pickins after Weber, Suter, Parise, etc.

        Doan also adds leadership and is a great role model.

        • Kfourn says:

          I agree with all of what Doan brings, and I would love to have him on the team on a 2 year 5-5.5 mil term. But once you get into the 4 year 7.5mil that you can’t bury (along with the decline in production that he is showing) you are handcuffing yourself in signing your core players Max P, DD, Beaulieu, Leblanc etc.

          _______________________________________________________
          Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

          “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

          • L Elle says:

            I believe it’s all relevent. Last year Wiz’ deal seemed atrociously expensive, but in hindsight, he was a better bargain than paying Markov, Kaberle and Campoli who for various reasons, couldn’t equal Wiz’ success.

            Some people believe Cole was overpaid at the time, and some feel Prust is as well, we’ll have to wait and see.

            Hey, compared to the recent 100+ million dollar deals, Doan is almost a bargain for what he would deliver.

            But it is MB who’ll make that final decision, and I’m good with that.

    • ed lopaz says:

      I agree with your post Elle.

      I would go one step further.

      There is a reason why Bergevin is interested in Doan, and I think you have hit one part of that reason right on the head.

      The 2nd part is Bergevin believes that adding Doan makes this team considerably better, and I agree with that assessment as well.

      Many here have concluded that signing Doan does not make us a contender for the Cup.

      Signing Doan is a big piece in the right direction.

      What if signing Doan leads to:
      Gomez is demoted or traded instead of playing
      we trade for a hard nosed defenceman

      Now, all of sudden we have 3 strong lines, some grit everywhere in our lineup, Markov, Subban, Hard Nosed D-man and Gorges as our 4th. Emelin is our 5th D-man.

      I think many here would start to consider the team much more seriously.

    • JUST ME says:

      Such an excellent point ! It became obvious to me as a not so old but i guess not so young guy either that anyone under 30 have no idea what it means to win a cup . With the miracle run of the Habs with Halak we saw a brand new generation of habs fans and their sheer joy and energy were so cool to see and feel cause let`s face it the older fans became so negative with time.

      That is why i think that the way the team seems to be heading with a few talentend youngsters being the center piece of our future is the only way to go.

      Older players à la Doan is not the way to go. A superstar maybe but it would not serve any purpose right now.

      • L Elle says:

        Yes a good point as well. And this is exactly why Halak became so popular. Because, in reality, it was the most success the team had in almost two decades. Sad, really, because winning 2 rounds is not the goal.

        But I’m with Ed, Doan could be, at a reasonable price, an important piece to a better future.

        OK, lunchtime!

  44. habs-fan-84 says:

    Second optimistic post of the day:

    Projected goal totals this year:

    Cole: 30+
    Pacioretty: 30+
    Gionta: 25+
    Plekanec: 20+
    Bourque: 20+
    Desharnais: 20+
    Eller: 20+

    Essentially all are proven 20+ goal scorers except for Eller and Desharnais. If both can continue on their trajectory from last year, then it’s realistic to think that both can hit at least 20 this year.

    That’s a decent amount of 20 goal scorers. Let’s hope with a healthy Markov, our PP comes back to life this year. With Markov and Subban on the PP, Subban registers at least 14 goals this year, matching his rookie season. Anything more is a bonus.

    • shiram says:

      DD’s shooting % was very high last season, as he had a low number of shots, normal as he was playing with Cole and Patches, and it made alot more sense to pass the puck around.
      I think he’ll need to shoot more to keep his goal total from last year, more so if he is to get to 20, but I think he can do it.
      It’s optimistic to pencil Cole with another 30+ goal season, last season was only his second 30 goal season.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Indeed last year if I’m not mistaken was Cole’s most productive of his career at least in terms of goals. However, that line had lots of mojo and if it’s not broken up then I think that both he and Pacioretty are good for at least 30 again.

        I don’t see the need to split them up. We have now Bourque as a big body who can either player on a second line with Pleks and Gionta or a 3rd line with Eller and presumably Moen. Where Gomer fits in is anyone’s guess.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The problem with Gomez is exactly that…where does he fit in? He isn’t better than any centre other than Noks but Noks is better on the 4th line for pk ability and defensive play including face offs.

        • shiram says:

          Bourque was not working out with Pleks, the defensive side of the game that Plekanec plays does not suit Bourque at all, I’m pretty sure either of Cole or Patches could remain a potent offensive threat while keeping a steady defensive presence.
          I was looking at youtube videos of DD recently, was trying to find hightlights and such, but there are very few, mostly there were his interviews on L’antichambre, when asked what the team needed his answer was better wingers for Pleks, as he had busted his rear all season long and has the talent to put up great numbers but he needs the wingers to complimente not only his skills but the game he is asked to play.
          Getting a top 6 winger from trading would either weaken the team or take away a promising rookie, and as Habs are a long shot for a Cup next season, I’d prefer they try something like what I proposed.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I agree that having to acquire a top 6 would require assets but we must remember that prospects don’t always make it….

            Someone like a Bobby Ryan who is still young and proven could be a good option depending on the price. He has a lot of good years ahead of him and we have a quite a few young D men with the same skill set. From looking at was given for a player like Rick Nash the habs have similar type assests that could have been moving without sacrificing the future.

            They just have to target a young enough player that if you do give up some talent as well that it makes sense long term and makes the team better now and for the future

            Edit : Philly is not going after Ryan as they are going for Defense and another example could be Evander Kane. he has been offered a good deal but I think he wants out of the peg. He is a left wing something the habs are lacking

          • shiram says:

            Sure would love Ryan, but he would not come without costing the Habs some important piece, I doubt the Ducks would want prospects only either.
            You have to figure that one of Beaulieu/Tinordi is a must in that kind of trade, and Habs don’t have the depths the Rangers have to make such a deal.
            I guess it could be done, and I’m actually anxious to see Bergevin trading and dealing assets, I think his first trades will give us all a better indication of the kind of GM he is.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            These types of trades rarely happen especially for young players that have proven themselves at the NHL level. I don’t see a block buster trade I think MB will actually just pick up one D and call it a Day. Maybe deal some of our same playing style D for picks and that would be about it

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    • La Duke 16 says:

      You forgot Gomez with 20+

      Is that optimistic enough?

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That is the all out and best case scenario. I think Cole will score over 20 this year but scoring 35 again would be unbelievable.

      Bourque is a wildcard. If he plays like he did last year after he arrived he’d be lucky to get 15.

      Desharnais scoring 20 is a bit of a stretch but I hope you’re right.

      I think Eller will hit 20.

      I think you have Gionta and Plekanec correct.

      Pacioretty should score 30.

      I think you’re stretching a bit and as we know…there’s always injuries, slumps…

      I hope you’re right though!

    • La Duke 16 says:

      The PP is going to make the difference this year. If Markov can play the entire year, the goal totals will jump due to PP improvement. It will make everyone on the ice that much better.

      Kaberle on the PP for most of the year will also be a help while he is here (before the trade deadline).

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Considering a year olders young D and better and refresh Markov and Kaberle ,yes we should get more goals

    • Chris says:

      You’ve got to be a little careful with projections like this. Plekanec is a 20+ goal scorer when he gets first-wave power play time and is the top-line centre. Now we’ll see how he does with second line wingers and second wave PP time if Desharnais continues to nail down the 1st line centre position.

      Bourque’s two 25+ goal seasons came while he was playing top-6 minutes in Calgary. Is he going to get that chance in Montreal?

      Cole’s goal progression in the past 5 seasons is 22, 18, 11 (in only 40 games), 26 and then 35. One of those seasons is very anomalous. This makes me think Cole is more likely a 25-30 goal guy who had a great season last year.

      Pacioretty: who knows. Last year was a breakout, but now he’s got to sustain it when other teams are planning their defensive schemes around him. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Pacioretty’s goal total come down a little while also seeing his all-around game improve substantially. Pacioretty was a bit weak defensively last season, and I would think the team is really encouraging him to work on that part of his game this summer to get to the next level.

      I think Eller has got 20 goal potential, but there are two red flags on that prediction. Does he get booted from his third line centre position by Scott Gomez or, in a bit of a surprise, Alex Galchenyuk? Eller can get 20 goals as a centre. But as a winger, he looked lost. Eller is slotting in to be a lesser model of what Jordan Staal has been for the Penguins in recent years, a third line centre that gets heavy PK duty but limited first-wave PP time. It is hard to score 20 goals without PP time.

      • songles says:

        Pacioretty is the one player I have total faith in to produce at least as much offense as he did last year going forward. He just seems to be a man on a mission, and watching him play I see nothing but continued upside. Recovering from that injury seems to have enhanced what was already a mature and intense hockey mentality. Unless he’s injured, I guarantee 30+ goals.

  45. habstrinifan says:

    I know we at HIO are justifiably contemptuous of what is writtten on Eklund’s site.

    I think however his observations as represented in the excerpt below are valid. Not so much specifically re Subban’s negotiations but that the players would be seeking to reduce the onerous nature of restricted free agency on their ‘freedom of movement’.

    From Eklund:
    “Getting back to Subban, no one seems to have a lock on the situation. We know that Subban’s camp is pursuing a long-term commitment from the Canadiens, and we can only assume that the delay here has to be centered on the Canadiens willingness (or unwillingness) to commit big dollars over several years to a players that’s yet to reach his potential; one they have locked into restricted free agency for at least four more seasons (new CBA could push unrestricted eligibility back a couple of years).

    Though Marc Bergevin assured me and several other reporters that the impending CBA negotiations would have no effect on his contract dealings–particularly with Subban and Price, Subban’s case is a peculiar one.

    You get the feeling this won’t necessarily be settled so soon, with the possibility of capped years on contracts and an age push-back for unrestricted free agency looming.”

    I see these areas as the type of clauses that Fehr is famous for fighting for repeal or modification..

  46. SmartDog says:

    Below Kfourn and I were “arguing” about Cammalleri’s worth to the Habs. He pointed out that Cami wasn’t that productive (in the regular season) and didn’t seem happy – and I agreed these are true.

    But on the other hand I said this:
    “I think he was pissed like WE were all pissed about the direction of the team and the mistakes being made. That he showed frustration and eventually (after a long time) publicly expressed it to me is an aspect of leadership that we’re missing. Some f-n HONESTY.”

    Points and goals aside (and certainly he showed in the playoffs he can turn it on), do you think that I am right about the team needing more honesty – and Cami in general? Was Cami a justifiably frustrated “winner” whose actions and words expressed how pissed he was at the team and its management? Or were they the actions and words of a guy who isn’t a team player and lacks professionalism?

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    • Kfourn says:

      Good discussion SmartDog. I think it’s all well and good to call the team out, but when you’re not out there leading by example, sulking and not engaging in the play, then you’re calling out is petty and seems like you’re whining more than wanting to win.

      I’m sure he wasn’t the only one who was frustrated, but I look at a player like Cole and he left everything on the ice, but I never once heard him call anyone out, and I would’ve respected if it came from him over anyone else.

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    • shiram says:

      I think it might have a symptom of the PG dictatorship, the locker room was a mess, if we are to believe the likes of Spacek and Gill, combined with an unresponsive GM and a lackluster coach, I can understand how players would be frustrated, and Cammy is a fierce competitor, so I think he was greatly affected by it all.
      The counter point to this is the ravenous MTL media that jumps on any morcel of information a player leaks, and how big a deal is made out of essentially nothing… So yes I like the honesty, but I understand why it might not work in MTL.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Cammy had a great first year with the habs but injuries hurt his numbers…50 points in 65 games and 26 being goals was good in my books. The next year he was hurt again and his numbers declined and he was clutch in both years playoffs.

      Cammy is a good hockey player and looked happy here until the last year when everything kept falling apart with injuries and poor management decisions.

      Cammy is the type of winger that can score when you need it and minus last year he was a good Habs player.

      Did he want out…yes, but I don’t think he was the only one. He is a passionate player who shows his true colours and I respect that.
      Does there need to be honesty in the dressing room yes….in the media NO. The problem is that is not an easy Job especially in Montreal. Cammy I think shoots from the hip

      Unfortunately, the habs have too many small players and his clutch play will be missed if/when the habs get back in the post season. Look at how much Calgary missed him after he left that they traded for him back. I bet he has a good season in Calgary this year.

      All the power to him but I think we still need to replace his abilities on this team.

    • Chris says:

      Given that Cammalleri was a significant part of the problem, I have a hard time giving the guy any credit for last season.

      Cammalleri loved the spotlight, and he was always ready to provide a quote. But the stats are there for everybody to see: a guy being paid VERY handsomely to do very little other than score goals was playing like a dog. 9 goals in 38 games is not what he was being paid $6 million to provide.

      As much as we are down on Gomez, Cammalleri was pretty much as bad. Cammalleri was sulking off the ice, and he was very clearly dogging it on the ice. He earned his trip out of town, and there was no leadership in throwing his team in front of the bus in his little hissy fit. Fans want some honesty, but petulance like that is basically a sign that the team is imploding. It never, ever works in professional sports.

      If you want to be honest as a hockey player, take it to the GM or the coach behind closed doors and leave it there. Spilling your guts in front of the camera just makes you an idiot.

      You generally hear about guys that carry a lot of respect amongst the players. Cammalleri is not one of those guys…his reputed reputation amongst the players is not even close to “leader”. His Los Angeles Kings teammates were allegedly not too sad to see him go, and there really wasn’t much of an outcry out of Calgary despite him posting a 40 goal/80 point season in his last year there. And we know how his tenure in Montreal ended.

      At some point,Cammalleri moody selfishness stops being “misunderstood” and starts resembling a pretty accurate label.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        a BIG +1

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I agree last year he sucked. but the two previous years he was a big part of this team. Injuries hurt him in both the first two years but when it came down to it he was clutch. Last year though I would agree he was part of the problem but he was not alone

      • shiram says:

        “If you want to be honest as a hockey player, take it to the GM or the coach behind closed doors and leave it there.”
        With the Head coach and GM we had, I’m pretty sure that was a futile exercise, if not a frustrating one.

        • Chris says:

          Then you suck it up in silence like Erik Cole, Brian Gionta, Andrei Markov, Hal Gill and a multitude of other guys that DO carry a label of being good leaders and professionals.

          Cammalleri chose not to do that. He carries the bag for that decision.

        • Natrous says:

          In all likelyhood, he did, only to be met with blank stares and the sound of crickets chirping in the corner of the room.

      • twilighthours says:

        Thank you for writing what I didn’t have to on a smart phone.

        Just add: softest player on team in own zone (soff? I think he was trying to be soffest winger in the league). How hard a competitor can he be if he won’t take a hit to get out of his own zone? He wanted out and forced his way there with his media game

        • twilighthours says:

          Out of Montreal, that is

        • Chris says:

          For me, Cammalleri was a slightly less talented version of Dany Heatley.

          Heatley will get you 35-45 goals and 70-80 points most seasons, but he’ll be absolutely invisible while doing it.

          Cammalleri will get you 25-35 goals and 60-70 points most seasons, and he’ll be even more invisible than Heatley while doing it. I’ll give Cammalleri credit for scoring in the playoffs, but the guy never blocked a shot, or took a hit or forechecked like his hair was on fire. He simply got points here and there.

          That is a very valuable player for a team to have provided that you have all the other elements (leadership, grit, defensive play) surrounding that player.

          But any team that expects Cammalleri to be their leader is in for a long, long season unless he does some maturing.

  47. habs-fan-84 says:

    -There is nothing wrong with the Kaberle contract. Is he soft, yes. Do I wish he was stronger, absolutely. Is he tradeable, yes. Stop whining about a contract worth 4.25M.

    -We are not a team in “rebuilding”. Most of the rebuilding has already occurred right in front of your own eyes: Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Eller, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Emelin, Galchenyuk, Desharnais etc. al

    -I don’t get why after 1 season of missing the playoffs, it’s now apparently a long shot to make it this year. IMO last year was an anomaly. Everything that could have went wrong did; starting with Markov in those first days of training camp.

    -On paper, this will be the grittiest, toughest team the Habs have iced in a LONG time. I’ll never understand why it took so long.

    -Doan would immediately make this team better. With the veteran leadership of Gionta, Cole and Doan and the emerging young core of Price, Pacioretty, Subban, Desharnais and Eller (yes, I think Eller is highly underrated and believe this 3rd year will be his breakout season) this team will be a threat, sure, not this year but in two years as the prospects move up definitely. I do not want to see the team overpay, but if Doan can play the way he did in this year’s playoffs over the next 3 – 4 years we’ve got a winner.

    Cheers,

    • mark-ID says:

      I agree 100% HF-84.

      We’ve gone through lots of injuries, not just last year….but the last few years…and up until last year, we found ways to make the playoffs. Once we were in…we weren’t getting swept in 4 games either. Everyone here knows that we could have just as easily beaten the bruins in game 7. I think the whole organization was off last year….once JM got fired, it went downhill from there. There were still bright spots from last year.

      We may not have elite scoring talent(as in 50 goals scorers), but lots of teams don’t have that either. We were one of very few teams to have two 30 goal scorers though.
      If a defensive system is put in place, we can absolutely still win games. Adding team toughness, will only help that.

      You just have to look at a team like the flyers, who finished last one year….and were right back in the mix of things a year later. Montreal will continue to be in the middle to latter half of the team scoring…and we will win our games by 1 or 2 goals for the most part. But this is still a team who can win games. People love being pessimistic though.

      As for people saying that, we aren’t a cup contender….I have to laugh at that….if this was the case…whats the point of even playing the season. Anyone who makes the playoff has a shot. If we were to actually get lucky, and have few injuries, while other teams get desceminated with them….do we then become favourites? LA KIngs, that’s all I have to say. Boston Bruins, that’s all I have to say.
      Give me a break.

      “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • commandant says:

      I agree with all of that.

      And Doan certainly helps the team this year, no question about that.

      But he’ll be 36 before the season starts. Assuming he has 3-4 years left in the tank is foolhardy. Yes its possible, but given his style of play (very physical) and his age (36)… and the fact that his numbers over the last 3 years (~50 points) are already in decline from what he did before that (~60-70 points). It isn’t reasonable to think he has 4 years of this kind of production left. Yes there are lidstroms, jagrs, whitneys, recchis… but these guys are by far the exceptions, not the rules.

      And while you are right that many of the core pieces are in place. Further development of those pieces is necessary before we become a true cup contender. As such let those pieces develop and then grab the pieces we are missing when we are ready to make our run, rather than tie up 4 years of cap space in an aging doan.

      If Doan comes for 1-2 years, then fine, sign him… but if it takes 4 years, I say no.

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      • habs-fan-84 says:

        Fair enough, I suppose if we could get Doan in and around 5.5M I’d be willing to see him here for 3 – 4 years. If only we could have had his services 5 to 6 years ago.

  48. Strummer says:

    “Raisin cookies that look like chocolate chip cookies is the reason why I have trust issues”

    Woody Paige chalkboard on ESPN’s Around the Horn 7/31/2012

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    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  49. JoeC says:

    OMG the world is coming to an end…

    MB is a terrible GM because he hasnt got rid of Gomez or burried him!!
    …… even though no team wants him,and he cant be demoted till training camp cause he was in IR at the end of season

    OMFG Subban isnt signed, trade him!
    …. Even though lots of RFA’s still arnt signed and Price took longer then this last contract

    TRADE KABERLE AND BOURQUE!
    ….. Even though both will be a very hard asset to trade, plus there not the worst players by far in the NHL.

    WHY DIDNT WE GET BETTER FREE AGENTS!
    …. Even though most people think its better to build from within then try and buy a team, anyone wanna see another Gomez contract?

    Sign Doan, trade Gionta!!
    ….. Lets get older and raise our $ spend on cap…

    Some people need to take a vacation, go outside, or something, cause the summer is causing insanity in some fans. Just think about how bad it would be if we where Leaf fans and had Burke as our GM..

    • Psycho29 says:

      But…..The sunlight hurts my eyes! And Mom usually brings lunch to my room in the basement around 11:30…

      ;-)

      Great post BTW!

    • nunacanadien says:

      Not to mention his response to defending the blue line and Price? Signing and using up cap space to support Scott Gomez by hiring Gomez’s friend Prust. Prust is small. Prust cannot shove back Charra. So we add a small tyke defenseman, almost as small as Scott Gomez? And we praise Bergevin for this?

      • nunacanadien says:

        So now we have Prust who can fight, but hey, all he did was piss off the other team and the Rangers got creamed in return. That is what will happen to Montreal. Emelin and Subban to their credit shove back, but honestly, what big fighter do we have to protect the team? So we got another smurf team yet again under the Geoff Molson brand of hockey…..keep it up Corporate Habs Committee keep it up, destroy the habs yet again!

        • Lazarus_taxa says:

          I love how you have to reply to yourself because no one knows what the heck you are talking about! Keepem coming nunacanadian!!!

          • nunacanadien says:

            I guess you have a very short memory, what about the sham job of a rebuild that Gainey did that left us with nothing but a few players who were 6 feet or under and less than 200 pounds…..some rebuild that was and we praised Gainey like we are praising Bergevin.

            Prust is a fighter but the Rangers don’t have size to match this. It’s like getting a small chiuhuaha and depending on the little mexican dog to defend your team.

            The problem is you need a pitbull, instead we got a small fighter. As if the team is going to fight back.

  50. habstrinifan says:

    On a sad note, Gore Vidal has passed away.

  51. accp says:

    You’re all complaining about the Gomez and Karberle contracts and now you want to give Doan 30mil to come and play for a Rebuilding team. I don’t get it.
    and this talk about PK to Edmonton for Eberle. so you get better up front and weaker on Defense does that make sense for a team that could do with a stronger D.
    I wouldn’t waste my time with Doan. keep the money and go forward with our Rebuilding. it will pay off down the road. all you’re doing is making some guy richer and he’s gone in 4-years anyway.
    he’s good for a team on the bubble for a cup….still not worth 30Mil

  52. EasternOntarioHabsFan says:

    The idea of signing Doan is slightly retarded, He is 36, a RW, and will not fit onto the depth chart.

    He will cost far too much money.

    He strikes me as a player who will be a “last piece” for a contending team, he would not be a good fit on Montreal.

    For his sake and ours, I hope he does not sign


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