Injury bug hits Habs defence as Drewiske, Bouillon sidelined

The Canadiens are testing that old adage about never having too many defencemen.

The Canadiens were so scrapped for bodies at training camp Thursday in Brossard that they were forced to recall Darren Dietz from the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs.

The list of ailing defencemen grew when Davis Drewiske (photo above) and Francis Bouillon suffered injuries in practice Wednesday. Drewiske will be out for four weeks with a shoulder injury, which means he will miss the start of the regular season. That will almost certainly ensure a roster spot for Jarred Tinordi to start the year.

Bouillon is day-to-day with a lower-body injury and so is Douglas Murray, who missed his second day of practice.

Nathan Beaulieu, who suffered a shoulder injury at the start of training camp, has been practising with the extra players after coach Michel Therrien divided his roster into a main group and a group of extras.

In other news, the Canadiens announced that captain Brian Gionta has won the Jean Béliveau Trophy in recognition of his charitable work and community involvement.

The Canadiens will skate at 11:30 a.m. Friday in Brossard before heading to Quebec City to face the Carolina Hurricanes Friday night in preseason action (7:30 p.m., RDS). The Canadiens and Hurricanes will meet again Saturday night at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., RDS).

(Photo by John Kenney/The Gazette)

Injuries could open up spot for Tinordi, by Pat Hickey

Photo gallery from Thursday practice,

Habs in need of healing powers,

Habs’ lineup for Friday’s game against Hurricanes,

Gionta awarded Jean Béliveau Trophy,

Would the real Marc Bergevin please stand up, Stu on Sports Blog

Bulldogs to play two games at Bell Centre,

Bulldogs training-camp roster,


  1. WVHabsfan says:

    I had high hopes for him at one time. Not super high but high

  2. WVHabsfan says:

    Hey Mick. He is gone. He went back to Russia I believe

  3. Mick says:

    IS Alexander Avtsin still with the club or have the Habs given up on him?

    • I wouldn’t say the Habs gave up on him, Avtsin is the typical 4th round pick who followed the path of almost every fourth round pick on the planet. According to hockey db he’s playing in the KHL making money he wouldn’t get in the AHL.


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      • HabinBurlington says:

        He no longer is property of the Habs, he would have needed to sign a qualifying contract (not sure of proper lingo) by about a month or so ago. That deadline came and went with no signing. He is now a UFA as far as NHL is concerned I believe.

        So, I think the Habs indeed gave up on him. Sorry to say, kid had some real talent and still may become quite a player.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          You are right Burly. He was also a healthy scratch in Hamilton quite a bit so I am not sure they liked his game on the NA ice. He will make money in the KHL and be close to home. good luck to him

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • B says:

      Avtsin is up north of Moscow on the Volga river in Yaroslavl playing in the KHL. He has played in 2 of 6 games for them this season (no points). Of note, the goalie on his new team is former Bulldog team mate Curtis Sanford.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  4. HabinBurlington says:

    Watching TSN highlights this morning, noticed that two Leaf players left their game due to injuries. Seems to me every team is getting nagging minor injuries during training camp, this is not happening only to Montreal. Some posters here need to recognize that all teams get injuries. Of course they would have to observe what else is happening in the league and not focus only on what happens to the Habs.

  5. The Slacker says:

    For your consideration, tonight’s line-up is

    30 – Peter Budaj
    35 – Dustin Tokarski

    24 – Jarred Tinordi
    26 – Josh Gorges
    36 – Magnus Nygren
    64 – Greg Pateryn
    76 – P.K. Subban
    84 – Darren Dietz

    8 – Brandon Prust
    25 – Michael McCarron
    27 – Alex Galchenyuk
    37 – Gabriel Dumont
    38 – Sebastian Collberg
    45 – Michael Blunden
    49 – Michaël Bournival
    51 – David Desharnais
    60 – Chrstian Thomas
    67 – Max Pacioretty
    72 – Nick Tarnasky
    82 – Patrick Holland

  6. SUMO says:

    From RDS;

    >Dietz has been recalled from Hamilton.

    J Gorges – PK Subban
    A Markov – R Diaz
    J Tinordi – G Pateryn
    D Dietz – M Nygren

    F Bouillon (Day-to-Day)
    D Drewiske (1-Month)
    D Murray (Day-to-Day)
    A Emelin (LTIR)

    >Pierre Maguire on TSN690. Around 11:21 he talks abt the Habs; in particular Greg Pateryn and Jarred Tinordi.

  7. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    Howdy Gang. Been here everyday this summer, but thought I should do more than just lurk. This isn’t Facebook after all.

    This site continues to rule, in no small part thanks to Timo, and stretching videos.

    I am pumped just ordered tickets to the Oils v Habs. Gonna take the gang down to Edmonton for Thanksgiving. Can’t wait for the puck to drop.

  8. Marc10 says:


    I think Tinordi is going to be a very physical D. You don’t just come into the League and go all Darius Kasparaitis on veterans… otherwise class acts like Mike Richards will label you disrespectful…

    Give the kid a bit of time to round out his game, his frame and his skating and I think you’ll see a big bad D. It took Chara a while before he got going (not that I think ‘Tiny’ is going to hit those heights…)

  9. Timo says:

    You know, folks, what this tread needs? A good stretching video.

    (you’re welcome)

  10. Bigdawg says:

    Patty vs Tiny

    I haven’t seen a ton of Patty so its had for me to say Tiny deserves the shot more. Tiny played well last season and on that alone. deserves a shot

    However, I heard Patty worked hard on improving his game and took to heart what MTL wanted him to do to improve (get more physical). I can see MTL keeping him up as a reward for his improvement. It would send the right message to the other prospects. I for one am curious to see more of him play. It would be great if we had another NHL worthy D ready to go.

  11. Bill says:

    @johnnylarue: what makes you sure that Pateryn’s “ceiling” is thatch lower than Tinordi’s?

    I like Tinordi a lot, but I wonder if his sheer size isn’t making people overrate him a bit? He’s gonna be a good, stay at home, top four Dman. I would say that is the ceiling of both him and Pateryn. I would love to see them both on the team next year.

    • SlovakHab says:

      I reckon Tinordi’s a bit higher, considering he is almost 2 years younger, yet looked a bit better so far. Or if not higher ceiling, then definitely larger probability of making it as a top-4 defenceman.

      I would love Pateryn to succeed as well, though. First of all, he is a R-shooting defenceman, while we have so many lefties. Secondly, Leafs fans have been screaming how they fleeced us in Grabovski trade. Now that Grabbo has been bought out, it would be nice to have Pateryn play at least 4-5 full time seasons with Habs as an effective top-4 defenceman. (Pateryn was part of Grabovski trade).

      • longbow says:

        I hope Pateryn is on the team next time we play Washington. Would love to see him crush the snot out of Grabovski. And then just to prove it’s not the worst that can happen, Tinordi hits him even harder on his next shift.

        ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

  12. Forum Dog says:

    Like to see Bourque have a nice season. He was decent when he played last year, and was good in the playoffs. Some health, some motivation, some time on the 2nd PP, 20+ is possible. No question the Habs need it from him.

  13. habs11s says:

    Subban’s ‘Boston brother’ got shellacked for 8 goals tonight against Detroit..


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • savethepuck says:

      Have a hard time understanding why Julien would keep him in the entire game. Not a great boost to the kids confidence. He should of pulled him.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Marc10 says:

      Yeah, most goals were off great scoring chances. I guess the Boston D was on holiday.

      Always great to see Boston lose.

    • Mark C says:

      Can you imagine if that happened in Montreal? We’ve got a torches and pitchforks crew upset not because a prospect was cut, but because he was cut too soon.

  14. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    It should not be either/or…Tinordi and Pateryn should be the 5-6 D-men. I’d rather see them learn then see “the same old same old” from the other guys…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  15. Bill says:

    @Trini: If we’re being truthful, Tinordi isn’t very physical. Huge yes, but not physical and definitely not mean. Sort of a more mobile Hal Gill, which I don’t mind. But physical? Not really.

    • johnnylarue says:

      I feel like he’s still growing into that side of his game, especially at the pro level. He definitely has a mean streak (and his share of tilts at the junior level) but he’s probably just focusing on playing sound positionally and not making mistakes for the time being.

      We might be a few years away still from the day “Tiny SMASH!!” (delivered in a Hulk voice) becomes his catchphrase. But I believe that day will come.

    • habstrinifan says:

      He has ‘ridden guys’ of the puck in both games and scrimmages and he has racheted up that physicality significantly from the start of his AHL campaign to where he was at in the end. I agree that there may not be a huge difference now but when you consider the comparative ‘short’ careers of both… Tinordi has the upside physically on Pateyrn… and the willingness to stand up against the rough stuff.

      My post was meant to be a little bit ‘tongue in cheek’ but I hope that the pre-season play ,especially how consistently physical either is, determines who’s staying(if only one) and not ‘maturity’.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Tinordi not physical? A “more mobile” Hal Gill? I don’t think we are watching the same player. He is not a crushing open ice hitter, I’ll grant you that. But he is mean in the corners and I’ve already watched him run roughshod over a couple of opponents in the pre-season. Not to mention he scraps and, as Mckeen’s puts it, patrols the crease “militantly”.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      Again,(and I’m only saying because many posters see two years as an eternity), timing matters. Tinordi is coming into his strength, and for a player his age, the jury’s out for a bit. I agree with you 100%, but the Tinordi we saw last year was only the ‘platform’ for what we’ll see this year, and so on for a couple of seasons.
      There have been many big, gawky defencemen who played a clean, tough game without being the bonecrushing physical defencemen so many posters yearn for. I hope he plays with an edge, hits when he has to, learns a little from Emelin and becomes a reliable stay at home d-man.
      Small men are often a lot meaner than big ones, and size often becomes a reserve strength that doesn’t have to be pushed out there all the time the way it is when there’s a shortage of it. I want Tinordi to develop into a fine hockey player before he becomes a brain crushing Tasmanian Devil Hulk thing.

      The fights in the minors don’t necessarily show a mean streak – they just show an ability to respond to the marketing of the game in order to increase his chances of moving up to the NHL. You don’t fight, you don’t advance. He wants to advance, but that doesn’t mean he has any passion for the dumb stuff.
      We shall see.

  16. habstrinifan says:

    Put me down in the group who says Pateyrn is not gonna be as consistently physical as Tinordi and will not turn out to have the full game that Tinordi is developing quickly..even though he is showing better than Tinordi now. How much better?

    Mine may be a group of 1. But our mantra is Tinordi and (since there are injuries) Pateyrn but not Pateyrn without Tinordi.

    Our signatory pairing of the future which the hockey Gods have made necessary through injuries… P.K AND Tinordi.

    Let’s not get too clever about maturity. Two players have come into camp with absolute improvement in every physical and mental element that HABS wanted… Bournival and Tinordi. Let’s not outcoach ourselves here.

    • johnnylarue says:

      I heard that, Trini.

      Waaaaaaay down below in this thread I suggested Pateryn might have the edge with MT precisely because his ceiling is lower than Tinordi’s (who physically requires a significantly higher ceiling to begin with… but I digress), and so his development becomes somewhat less of a priority as a result. Meaning that they can feel better about having Pateryn watch a few games from the stands, if needed, whereas Tiny needs to see as much ice time as possible to keep developing.

      In spite of the solid camp the kid’s had, I think management’s feeling is that Tinordi would still be better off playing 25+ minutes a game in the AHL than being an alternate/7th D with the big club. For now, anyway.

  17. Mavid says:

    Home safe and sound after a wonderful vacation..spent three weeks in a 5th wheel camper with my hubby and we did not kill each that is good news…watching Ottawa/TO game and I have to say that “C” just does not look right on Pizza head..I agree Phillips may have not been the best choice for the reason’s stated..then it should have been Karlsson..or anyone except for Pizza head or Cement head Neil..

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  18. sheds88 says:

    breakout year for eller?

  19. sheds88 says:

    just received habs / flames tix from work again. so stoked….ive been to the last 6 games here in calgary, including heritage classic ( ya, remember that one…?). please let this be the year !!!

  20. JohnBellyful says:

    It appears the great to-do over Leblanc has died down but I’m worried the effect the whole experience could have on the young player’s development. I’m afraid it could derail his career entirely and we’ll be talking about this for years in threads to come.

    The tale is told,
    When nights grow cold,
    Of a lad whose future seemed bright
    Drafted first round,
    Then Harvard-bound,
    Then wing with the Habs on the right

    But a high ankle sprain,
    His career did constrain
    And back to the farm team he went
    To work on his game
    To considerable shame
    Had the team its first choice misspent?

    His girlfriend cried ‘Sham!”
    And aimed a Grand Slam
    At his employer for being unfair
    ‘He got a raw deal!”
    ‘The whole thing’s unreal!’
    But Louis said nothing, just sat there.

    He worked like a Dog
    But each game was a slog
    The goals that didn’t come caused him angst
    The fans started jeering
    And all he kept hearing:
    ‘Hey, Louis, is your last name Les blanks?”

    At the end of his rope
    And devoid of all hope
    It’s time to move on, was his thought.
    He said so on Twitter
    ‘I’m really not bitter
    But Hammer over Harvard? I think not!

    So ends the tale
    Told over cold ale
    The legend of Louis Leblanc
    Tho’ picked the first round —
    Canadiens soon found –
    He couldn’t cut the Grey Poupon

    — “A little song, a little verse, not so great, but I’ve done worse.” —

  21. habs11s says:

    So which Hab player do we hate today?


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  22. habs11s says:

    double post..


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  23. Eddie says:

    Kadri has become a hell of a hockey player.

  24. Feraco says:

    Aside from leaf fans…does anyone like the leafs?

  25. Feraco says:

    Were definitely one of the more mobile and offensive defense overall. We still need one big shut down D man (+ Tinordi) to shut down games and keep players honest. Mind you Chicago won without that so it’s a crap shoot lol all about goaltending the rest of the team will be fine

  26. Bozo McBozo says:

    This just in: Price to Philadelphia for the Silence Dogood letters and a used copy of the Farmers’ Almanac!

  27. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Anderson, Rask, Howard, Price, Miller, Bernier(maybe?), Thomas (maybe?), Bishop….not an easy division to score in, eh?

  28. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    TSN on ott/to game guys talking about penalties to guys wearing jerseys tucked in to their pants. Seriously?

  29. DMAN says:

    Akim Aliu? Interesting.

    • Mark C says:

      Aliu is a Dudley guy all the way. If I recall correctly in the book Future Greats and Heartbreaks, it is reveled that Dudley was a big fan of Akim in his draft year.

  30. Alvin says:

    Toronto and Ottawa on tv tonight. Thats worth watching imo

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Worth watching for sure. We play sizable chunk of our games against those two rivals. Gives us some advance notice on we’d like Subban, Emelin, Tinordi, Pateryn, Murray, Prust, Parros, White or Moen to either line up with a massive hit or beat the tar out of :-).

      • johnnylarue says:

        To be fair, you could just put all the names from those two rosters in a hat and pick 10 randomly. Outside of maybe Erik Karlsson and Jonathan Bernier, it’s pretty much open season innit?

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I’d put Kadri as the chief punk on that list. When he blindsides Gallagher or Eller into the boards this year, if Prust is injured or if the 4th line isn’t in the process of hopping the ice, someone like Tinordi or Murray will skate up and put him on his arse.

          The longer Bergevin is in charge, the more muscle he brings in, love this guy!

  31. Hobie Hansen says:

    So I was listening to everyone’s favourite tandem of Mitch Melnick and Pierre McGuire today and they believe that it’s Pateryn who’s going to stick around and not Tinordi.

    They played a few quotes from Therrien today and it is sounding like that. For the time being anyhow…

    Maybe with Bouillon out they both stick for a while?

    • johnnylarue says:

      While I can understand not wanting to put the emphasis on exhibition games featuring hodgepodge rosters full of juniors and AHL rookies, I still find it a bit problematic that so many “decisions” are being made with a fair chunk of the pre-season yet to be played. I feel Young Louis’ ire was somewhat justified in that context.

      Regardless, I can understand why Pateryn could be favoured over Tiny, especially if Therrien is envisioning a revolving door scenario for the 5-6 D spots. Pateryn has played really well so far, and the fact that he’s not earmarked as a future pillar of the defense squad means they can sit him out if need be and not be so worried about slowing his development. Tiny, in comparison, needs to play.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I think Pateryn is at a crucial point of his development and career. He’s 23-years-old so it’s just about that time! I think he’s 23? :-).

        • longbow says:

          I like what I’ve seen from Pateryn so far. I see him playing a dependable no frills Rick Green type of game. A very useful asset. He could turn out to be the kind of guy you never notice because he just goes out and does his job game after game. Coaches like guys like that. One less person to worry about.

          ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

          • GrosBill says:

            I will be thrilled if Pateryn comes even close to Rick Green. I was a huge fan of Rick Green, he was always VERY underrated. To me, it seems a stretch at the moment but I hope you are right.

    • Alvin says:

      I’ll tell ya one thing. Pateryn is going to be a tougher / meaner / better and more dependable Josh Gorges

    • Phil C says:

      Pateyrn is two years older, so it’s not surprising. Imagine where Tinordi will be in two years.

    • Bill says:

      Pateryn is big, and as of this year he is more physical than Tinordi. Also older as you say, and he shoots right which would be helpful right now. I’d love to see him stick around.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  32. johnnylarue says:

    I’ve been a bit hard on Drewiske since MB acquired him last season, but I have a newfound respect for him today for how he injured his shoulder just to help Tinordi make it onto the opening night roster.

  33. AliHaba says:

    And Diaz breathes a sigh of relief.

  34. commandant says:

    CHL Previews start today.

    The QMJHL Maritimes Preview (Includes Fucale)

    The QMJHL East Preview (includes Hudon in profile, and Gregoire in a passing mention)

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  35. crabvader says:

    Is there any job MacT would be good at in hockey?!

    Speaking of Macs… What’s going on with Mac Bennett? Haven’t heard about him in a while.

    • HabFab says:

      Entering his last season at Michigan where he will be the Captain this season.

      EDIT: has also bulked up to 195 lbs as per Habs request.

      • Eddie says:

        I have seen Bennett play and I like him a lot. Big fan of his game. Smooth, excellent skater. Very calm, great decisions under pressure. And he went to Hotchkiss! I’m a big Hotchkiss supporter.

  36. Eddie says:

    the Oilers will be giving Nugent Hopkins the Captaincy in short order. that’s why he got the big money and long term.

    I know the “bridge” makes more financial sense.

    The Oilers are not stupid, they know exactly what a “bridge contract” means and why it works.

    This is a “leadership” move.

    This is a “statement” that Nugent Hopkins will become the leader of this team for the next 7 years.

  37. punkster says:

    Common, oft repeated HIO phrases and what they really mean:

    He tells it like it is
    – I agree with everything he says because he says exactly what I think

    That being said
    – I’m throwing the preceding conciliatory bone out there so I don’t look like a total d-bag when I now state how I really feel

    Most people agree
    – it’s my opinion, I’m always right and if you think differently then you’re out of step with the world

    So-and-so is useless/terrible/an embarrassment
    – he’s not a big, ornery, vicious, predator with murder in his heart and mayhem on his mind

    This team is made out of glass
    – I’ve never so much as jogged between two lamp posts let alone attempted an ab crunch so I have no idea just how taxing a physical lifestyle or sports profession can be but…cough, hack, choke, wheeze…what?


  38. Sportfan says:

    The Edmonton Oilers are setting a tone for team stupidity and saying to every rookie out there after your entry deal is up you can make 4,5,6, million a year. Its time the entry deals get extended, or a limit on amount spent on RFA after only their first deal. Its severely stupid its time.

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    • Lafleurguy says:

      Very intriguing that Akim Aliu is in camp. As a rookie 16 yr. old, he stood up to and fought captain Steve Downie of the Windsor Spitfires ’cause Aliu refused to participate in the rookie hazing. No doubt Downie singled him out, but Aliu held his own. Now 6’4″, 230lb., I hope their paths cross again.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  39. Lafleurguy says:

    Those were nice words of encouragement from Daniel Briere directed at Louis Leblanc. Briere stated he spent four seasons shuttling back and forth between the AHL and the Coyotes. Mind you, Briere had two twenty goal seasons in the AHL (high mark 29).

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  40. 24 Cups says:

    I can think of five good reasons why Edmonton should not give Nugent-Hopkins his new 42M contract. I can’t think of one good reason why they should.

    The madness continues.

  41. HabFab says:

    Robert Mayer (G) has been put on waivers for the purpose of sending him down to Hamilton.

  42. HabFab says:

    HabsWorld starts their count down of Habs Prospects 31-38;

    • savethepuck says:

      A little surprising to me to see Lehkonen at #2.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • HabFab says:

        The writer is pro flash over size and he was at the U20 tournament in which Lehkonen did so well.
        Everyone has an opinion except on HIO, then we get only facts 😉

        • savethepuck says:

          My surprise is probably based on Timmins picking 3 players ahead of him in the draft less than 3 months ago.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

          • HabFab says:

            I agree with you, but this guy is considered the guru of blogger Prospect rankings. In fact was just hired by ESPN to do their rankings. I’m afraid I equate his rankings with Craig Button… in other words there are at least 6 better.

  43. Kooch7800 says:

    I think someone in Edmonton needs to learn how to manage the cap. They just gave the Nugent hopkins 6 mill a year for 7 years….do they give everyone 6 mill as soon as their ELD is over?

    They won’t be able to put a full team on the ice soon

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  44. JF says:

    If none of these injuries to our defencemen is serious (except, of course, Emelin’s), the Habs should be OK to start the season. At the same time, the absence of Bouillon, Murray, and Drewiske should open a spot for Jarred Tinordi and perhaps for Greg Pateryn as well. One or both of these guys will get to play a few games, and may even succeed in nailing down a roster spot. That’s the positive spin on the injuries.

    The other positive is that Bergevin had the foresight to stockpile defencemen. Many on here were gnashing their teeth over the signing of Davis Drewiske, a depth defenceman who certainly won’t play every game. A spare part, if you like – but there may come a point in the season when we’ll be glad to rely on Drewiske to take the sixth spot for a few games or weeks. It beats handing over a second or third round pick for some other team’s spare part.

    As long as Markov and Subban stay healthy, we should have enough depth to survive injuries.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Jane – I’m not sure it matters after you get past Subban, Markov, Gorges and Diaz.

      The thought of having to watch Bouillon and Murray play together for 30 games was enough to make me go out and buy a Dion Phaneuf jersey.

  45. Habfan10912 says:

    Am I wrong to assume that Galchenyuk will play center tomorrow based on the roster?

  46. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Just remember fans, as bad as it gets, you could be an Oilers fan.

    What a stupid, insane deal.

  47. egold98 says:

    Tinordi and Beaulieu (if healthy) should start the season with the big club, in the lineup. Why delay the future? These kids are young and talented and bring different skill sets to the table, so let’s see what they can do! I suppose Pateryn can be thrown into the mix but in reality, the organization expects more out of Tinordi and Beaulieu, both former 1st round picks.

    Markov – Tinordi
    Gorges – Subban
    Murray – Beaulieu/Pateryn

    That defense corps is young, but it does have some veteran leadership and the reigning Norris Trophy winner to boot.

    That’s my two cents!!

    • bwoar says:

      Giving either of those 2 heavy minutes against top NHL lines would likely be a disaster.


    • Tyhudg says:

      I would rather have Diaz in my lineup than Beaulieu at this point. Tinordi a first paring D man? Are you crazy? Him and Markov would get exposed big time.

    • Da Hema says:

      From what I saw of Tinordi during the regular season and playoffs last season, he seems ready to play in the NHL. It won’t hurt him to go to Hamilton for more seasoning, I’ll concede, but he played regular shifts in the playoffs last year and held his own. That sort of experience is vastly superior to having him crunch and fight mostly career AHLers in Hamilton.

      Beaulieu is a different story in my view. He did not look totally out of place last season, but let’s face it: Beaulieu needs to make some amends for his (and his father’s) incredible stupidity this past summer. He needs to mature in a way Tinordi obviously does not. I think it would be best for his development as a person that Beaulieu play in Hamilton this year. As far as his on-ice play is concerned, Beaulieu clearly will be relied upon in the future to be on the power play, and he needs to develop that aspect of his game at the AHL level. The NHL is not the place to learn how to man the line on a power play.

      My most humble 5 cents (since we don’t have two cents anymore).

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Once again I find myself agreeing with the Hippo! I trust you had a good summer big fella?

        • Da Hema says:

          I hope you too had a good summer Habfan! Summer was good; caught lots of fish, and smoked them perfectly.

          I see folks here really divided about Diaz. I consider him at best to be a journeyman NHL defenceman (and I am truly being as diplomatic and charitable as I can be). The long-time weakness with the Habs, of course, is the defencemen as a collective group. The team now appears to have quality (and depth of) prospects for the next few years, but at this moment only Tinordi appears NHL ready to me. But he isn’t Larry Robinson, so we must have second-pairings on the power play. Diaz provides that. The problem is the Habs don’t have the luxury of sitting Diaz on the bench as a power-play specialist. This team isn’t the 1980s Habs when the team had practically six all-star defencemen, and so a uni-dimensional defenceman like Gaston Gingras could be used exclusively on the power play. So Diaz, whether we like it or not, must take a regular shift — at least for this season. While Diaz’s defensive play makes me long for the “good old days” of Patrick Traverse, it is what it is this year.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        Ah but you forget about the power of MT’s personal development program.

  48. habinkam says:

    Just curious what everyone thinks. This quote from an article on “Kristo leads list of Rangers prospects”:
    “Danny’s a little older. He’s a little more experienced playing a lot in college,” Rangers director of player personnel Gordie Clark told the team’s website following the trade. “We have a situation where Hagelin and Callahan are going to be out [with injuries], at least in the beginning. We feel he has a good chance to fill in one of those roles.”

    Why did mtl management not feel the same? I was excited to see him get a shot this year. Actually more excited to see him reunited with LL in hamilton, thought that would be a highly skilled line, at the ahl level anyway.
    I fear another McDonagh situation….

    • Tyhudg says:

      Nothing like that situation. This is a prospect swap, there we were trading prospects for an established player (Who was paid a ridiculous amount afterwards) that went downhill fast. No matter how you frame this is a completely different scenario…. so I don’t think you need to worry about another McDonagh situation.

      • habinkam says:

        Mcdonagh was a “throw in” in that deal as management felt he “hadn’t progressed in his development”. My fear being giving away a strong prospect for relatively nothing.
        Thomas has not impressed me (I am not one of the size clowns caring about his stature” I simply dont see the offensive awareness or nose for the net that similar players do. I know he is young but given the chance he got I feel Kristo and even leblanc would have produced.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Maybe Montreal felt that they preferred someone who was further away from the NHL than Kristo because this team seemed full? I dunno. Could be one reason.

    • krob1000 says:

      SOunds familiar…I have seen reports saying that if Gionta cant play Christian Thomas was the forntrunner to replace him….hmmmm. Both guys good enough likely to fill but neither sounds like really earning a healthy roster spot….Thomas is younger….a wash in my opinion.

  49. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @Ian Cobb

    …there is NOTHING enjoyable about kidney stones …except them thar morphine pills

    …I’m impatiently awaiting My next brain-stabbing pain

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Morphine doesn’t work on me…stretching videos on the other hand…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  50. Habitant in Surrey says:


    …I have a spare left gonad to keep Markov a Hab, but I think all this talk is premature until We see what kind of season Andrei has

  51. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …the injuries on D are great opportunities for Tinordi, Beaulieu and Pateryn

    …now there are a few banana peels I would like to throw on the ice in front of Moen to give McCarron a few regular season games 🙂

  52. shiram says:

    Gio is often undervalued by us Habs fans and others around the league, the guy can play against top opposition in a 2-way game with Pleky and still amass a good number of points and above 20 goals per 82 game season.
    He’s got character and we know Bergevin put alot of value in that.

    His recent injuries certainly put a damper, and those with “what have you done for me lately” will always be ready to cast him away.
    Now I’m not such a huge fan of him that i’d balk at not re-signing him, but the kind of skills he brings are certainly valuable and would be difficult to replace.

  53. Timo says:

    This is what Markov does when he doesn’t play hockey or gives interviews.

  54. TheDagger says:


  55. Sportfan says:

    Not like they are the worst losses ever…

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  56. rhino514 says:

    I have to say Bergevin has so far managed to prove me wrong quite a few times. I have long questioned the large amount of money spent on depth defencemen (confident that Tinordi is already as good or better than all of the other candidates, and much cheaper). Two of Bouillon, Drewiske, and Murray would have more than sufficed….One would suffice when Emelin returns.
    Even in the absence of attractive UFAs, I thou ght the significant cap space would be a huge advantage to have tradewise, with other clubs wanting to unload players during the season or at the trade deadline.
    Yet the injury to Drewiske makes me think maybe the man knows what he is doing.
    I have a question, though; do most other teams get injured as much as we do? Especially come playoff time, it is heartbreaking, as I truly believe the last two playoffs we could have progressed alot further if not for some real bad luck with injuries. Is there something about our team that makes us just a bit more brittle?

    • Mattyleg says:

      How gracious of you to give credit to the man being paid to be General Manager of a professional hockey club as having more smarts than you, an online poster.

      And as for your question: Look here and you’ll see that we have quite a few injuries, but compared to Detroit or Chigaco, the quality of our injured players are much lower.

      There’s nothing about our team that makes us more brittle. I don’t believe that Eller exhibited signs of brittleness when he got hit, nor did Emelin when he went down, or Pacioretty at the hands of Chara, for that matter.

      It is as you said; bad luck. Ottawa was injured all season, and their pieces came back for the playoffs, but only had it in them for one series. We, on the other hand, managed to get ours at the end of the season and at the beginning of the playoffs.

      That’s how the cookie crumbles, Rhino.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  57. Mattyleg says:

    Those who want to trade Markov had better have a long look at their understanding of hockey and of team sports in general.

    If you trade something, you need to be able to replace what you have lost.

    Let’s look at what Markov has:
    — The ability to play top 2 minutes
    — Great vision
    — Excellent in both attacking and defensive roles
    — An intmate understanding of the Montreal Canadiens organization from management to towel-boy
    — An understanding of Montreal press and its demands
    — An understanding of Montreal fans, and being able to perform despite their fickle nature

    Let’s look at what some fans see as problems:
    — He has lost speed with age
    — He has lost some manoeverability from his injury
    — He might be expensive

    Defencemen get better as they get older as long as their responsibilities are intellgently managed. Any loss in speed and manoeverability are more than compensated for by their deeper understanding of how to read plays, (in Markov’s case, both attacking and defending) and how to manage the defensive zone.

    We need experience for our youngsters coming up, and as much as I love Frankie and respect Gorges, would you as a young D-man rather aspire to play alongside them or Markov?

    As for ‘market return’, that is fun silly speculation for fans, but that is not how hockey teams are run. Think of how much Detroit could have got for Lidstrom. They wisely never did it, which is why Detroit is a classy organization.

    Trading a vet never provides the return fans think it will.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Mustang says:

      Matty, I agree with your analysis but I would like to add 2 points. Firstly, Markov must remain healthy and secondly, how much will it cost to resign him? I have always had the greatest respect for Markov so I hope that he will be able to play out the rest of his NHL career with Montreal.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Those two elements are certainly important; it would be foolish for us to sign a badly injured player. And it would also be foolish for us to sign a 36-year-old player to an enormous contract.

        But that’s just common sense, and doesn’t really come into a discussion about Markov in particular, but is rather about any player.

        I’d love to see Marky retire with the Habs.
        It’s been too long since we’ve had a player come through the ranks and retire with us. That’s very important for an organization.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Sportfan says:

      He’s also a UFA so if he’s really declined we only have one more year with him I don’t agree with moving him unless the deal was amazing, because you are right we can’t replace him just yet.

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      • Mattyleg says:

        Markov doesn’t strike me as someone who wants to ‘test the market’.
        As I said before he signed his last contract: he wants to stay here.
        He’s a one-dog-one-bone kinda guy, as far as I have been able to glean, and would be very happy to retire here.

        You can all tell me that I’m fulla whatever, but that’s the way I read it.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Bob_Sacamano says:

          Totally agree with everything you wrote about Markov. I think it´s really sad how many “fans” would like to get rid of him.

          Hopefully MT realizes that Markov shouldn´t be playing more than 20-21 minutes. 24 last season were clearly too much. I´d welcome a very reduced role for him on the PK as well. That way he can be a very valuable player for us for 2 or 3 more years.

        • savethepuck says:

          That is exactly how I see it too. Montreal is not just his place of employment, it’s his home.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

    • Timo says:

      And which of the Habs coaches do you suppose will be intelligently managing his responsibilities. Michael Therrien?

      • Mattyleg says:

        It will be a management team job.
        And MT led us to 2nd place in the East last season, which gives him credit in my books, and should do to anyone save those who refuse to see any success as an indication of his abilities, but will load any failure onto a wagon built of imagined ills and fuelled by personal spite.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Timo says:

          I get a feeling you’re hinting at me. Sneaky guy.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Heh heh.
            I enjoyed the opportunity to flourish my pen.
            Or my keyboard.
            Can you flourish your keyboard?
            It’s kind of awkward and inelegant-looking if you have to wave your whole laptop around.

            …I must’ve looked like an idiot…
            No wonder everyone in the café is staring at me.

            Maybe it’s just the fencing tights.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Sorry but I don’t think he can play top 2 minutes anymore. However, he is invaluable and irreplaceable on the power play. Without a good power play, this team is toast.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • savethepuck says:

      Well said. He is highly under appreciated by a lot of the fanbase.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • DAVE. N says:

      Market return is for speculators; agreed on that,and I’m not discussing a trade of Markov at this time, but your positives just don’t play it out IMO
      Great vision? Agreed..Excellent in the attacking zone? No doubts.
      D-zone excellence? Nope…not anymore..can’t block shots,is tentative in the corners.
      Ability to play top 2 minutes? nope…his knees just can’t handle that over 83 games + playoffs…not anymore IMO
      – An intimate understanding of the Montreal Canadiens organization from management to towel-boy
      – An understanding of Montreal press and its demands
      – An understanding of Montreal fans, and being able to perform despite their fickle nature?
      I don’t take away that all these prove he is professional, and respected…but he is NOT a press rep; his knowledge of the organization doesn’t keep a forward from the crease area; and our (fans) fickle nature has nothing to do with making certain Price has a clear view in a shooting lane.
      IMO, he can mentor, he can teach, he can play the PP all day long.,and great if we can keep him for those valuable talents; let’s just not suggest he is a premier D-man…he isn’t…not anymore.

      • Mattyleg says:

        The reason that I illustrated those three points that you repeated was to indicate that he is comfortable in Montreal, and a new player might have trouble in any of those areas.

        It’s a shame that you don’t think that he’s a premier defenceman, because most of the people who understand hockey best (i.e. the Habs management) think differently, as do the fans of other hockey teams who’d give their right gonad to have Markov in their lineup.

        You’re welcome to judge players with unrealistic meter-sticks, but you might find that you have less support than you think in doing that.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • DAVE. N says:

          I understood your point illustration…the literacy was not lost on me…I also stated “IMO” to preface my please remember that opinions are varied. I merely pointed out your points have absolutely nothing to do with on-ice performance.
          As to it being a shame that I don’t feel he is a premier D-man any longer…I do not believe my meter stick is unrealistic at all. Let’s say we agree to disagree. I am far more interested in what he can do from the Blue line in, and not as concerned with which rafter his jersey is hung from.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would rather trade Gorges at the deadline or in the off season than trade Markov. As long as Markov’s knee holds up, I would be happy to seeing him resign for two seasons at a resonable cap hit. I know
      Dallas gave Gonchar $5 million/year, which I believe is too much.
      If Markov has a good year and shows he has not declined, I would say $4.5/year for 2 years would be good. That would give the Habs room to resign Subban and the other core players as they come due.


  58. HabinBurlington says:

    Could this be the real reason behind the new “no tuck” jersey rule?

    Sponsorship dollars from advertising on the bottom of the jersey?

    • Mustang says:

      I think that the European hockey jerseys look rediculous. As a marketing person, I wonder about the return companies get for placing ads on the boards in NHL arenas and don’t get me started on the naming rights to those same arenas. A good example is Toronto where as most people know, Air Canada paid big bucks to get the naming rights to the Air Canada Center. The problem is that just about everyone calls the joint the ACC. How does Air Canada benefit from their investment when virtually no one uses the proper name?

  59. savethepuck says:

    When are the Markov fans going to start voting in the recent poll? Not liking the current tally.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Eddie says:

      It is way too early for that question.

      How about if we get to see Markov skate for about 30 games and then we can chime in on re-signing him or not.

      If he is skating well, pivoting well both ways, accelerating with NHL bursts of speed, then of course I would love to have him as a Hab going forward.

    • bwoar says:

      I voted yes. There’s too much talent there. If Sergei Gonchar can still have a contract, Markov can and should as well.


  60. Eddie says:

    re: McCarron becoming a 20+ goal scorer at the NHL level discussed on the previous thread

    We should wait to see him play this weekend and maybe into next week (if he’s still here) so he can play against some NHL competition.

    That 20 goal number for a 6’5 230 lbs monster like McCarron would put him in Lucic territory, and he would have become one of the greatest picks of the 2013 draft.

    First he has to score 20 in London. Then he has to score 20 in Hamilton. Then he has to make the NHL. Then he has to make the team as a top 6 skater who can play power play (because without power play he will never score 20).

    Then, and only then, will he be in a position to try and score 20 at the NHL level.

    How many 6’5, 230 lbs wingers in today’s NHL scored 20 goals in the last few seasons or even in the last 10-15 years? Not too many I would guess.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree Ed, good post. No reason for us not to be optimistic, but there is a long way to go as you say.

      Personally, if he can become an NHL regular for us, chip in 10 goals a year and play a regular effective shift, that is a win for us.

    • Walmyr says:

      post of the day buddy…

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I agree Eddie that we have some time to tell. I think what I liked when in the very little I saw of him in the pre-season game is he has good hockey sense, passing ability and he uses his size to his advantage by driving to the net.

      The hockey sense isn’t something you can teach so here is hoping he pans out as he looks to have the tools

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • zephyr says:

      bickell isn’t a top 6 forward yet he was very effective in the playoffs creating space for his talented linemates. plus McCarron showed some nice hands against buffalo. he needs some time but it sure is promising. u gotta have guys like him to keep the thugs off your better guys & to bang. marc methot isn’t going to like chasing down a puck with McCarron behind him. cheap shots can’t be made with impunity any more either. we’ve all witnessed plenty of that.
      i like the pick. I like the de la rose pick & crisp too. that’s how we got richer, corson, lemieux & nilan (& others). u don’t get size if u don’t draft it.

  61. JUST ME says:

    Just heard a real good conversation between P.K. and Nilan on TSN radio. I like the guy. No b.s. Tells it like it is no excuses. He said that last season downfall was due to the lack of experience of many players ,that they were not tired but nervous. Also said that he and Price were happy not to be allowed to do the low five anymore cause they did not see how to get out of the trend and that sometimes you just do not feel like celebrating when globally your team is not really doing well.

    As for the poll i answered that Bergevin should offer a new deal to Markov. Short and as cheap as possible. I still believe that Markov is within the best of his trade and that his coming back last year made all the difference. Of course i would give him reasonnable ice time but still he can be more than helpfull. As many others will say i cross my fingers that he remains healthy.

    Instead of going for a young d-man as good as Markov is , let`s keep the original.

  62. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re the Poll question to resign Markov or not – (Gionta included)

    For some that believe that imminent UFAs Markov and Gionta will be cheap or easy signings, the predicted large Salary Cap increase market next year may dictate otherwise.

    1) Markov will turn 35 on December 20th, and while that may appear to be moving into the sunset/twilight years of a Dman’s NHL career- and while he has had Major knee issues, if he proves he can play a full schedule with smart managed minutes, he could become a valuable, sought after commodity on the UFA market.

    Think Edmonton and all their D youngsters ( a reason why they signed veteran Boston Cup Ring winner UFA Andrew Ference)

    This is a young team that has shown it is somewhat clueless about being ‘Professional’ both on and off the ice.
    It is a team that has great firepower, yet is also terribly wanting on the back end…and more importantly, mature leadership.

    An overpay for a Mentor/True Pro such as Markov ( 2-3 years/$10-$15M) may be what a Kevin Lowe may invest/offer to get his team to another level – perhaps even more.

    You may say that’s crazy stuff, yet 39 year old Sergei Gonchar recently signed a 2 year/$10M contract with Dallas….Gonchar had 3 goals/27 points for Ottawa last year, while Markov had 10 goals and 30 points…and Markov is certainly a cut above Gonchar.

    Still think $5M/year for Markov is impossible next summer on the UFA market?

    Another item to consider is that while Markov turns 35 next December, his body has not had to endure the pounding during the past several years.
    Since the 2008/09 season, (4 seasons) he has only played 113 regular season games + 13 playoff games.
    He may still have much left in the tank.

    2) Gionta – He only turns 35 next January and IF he stays healthy, will be another sought after Habs UFA.

    If soon to be 41 year old Alfredsson (no Cup ring) signed a Cap Hit contract of $5.5M with Detroit, and 36 year old Iginla (no Cup ring) signed a $6M Cap Hit with Boston, what is Gionta’s worth in a UFA market for a team looking for some great Pro Leadership and on/off ice Professionalism and performance (when healthy) along with proven mentorship?

    For those that say “Get rid of both of them-let the youngsters play” there is disagreement from here.

    The Habs will still need good, solid vets to help out the young guys, and calm them down when panic surfaces.
    All great teams have that mix/balance.

    The Habs need Gionta and Markov for 1-2 more (bridge) years…as long as both can understand they just may be asked to play a few lessor minutes, or assume diminishing roles moving forward…

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      If Markov has a good year then re-up him for a year but Gionta should definitely be let go unless they can resign him for alot less than what he’s making now.

    • pmaraw says:

      I think it would be a mistake not to resign markov. He’s our Lidstrom.

    • DAVE. N says:

      Not certain about your Markov re-sign…you have a 35 year old D-man with 2 knee surgeries ,who certainly had no gas in the tank after a limited schedule last year; who is, IMO protecting his knee regularly in the corners, and is a PP specialist at best now. I do NOT take away his definite talents,but the reason he hasn’t played is because he has been badly injured. Comparing to Gonchar doesn’t make sense; Ottawa does not have the depth in D-men that the Habs organization has, and if they wish to pay $5 million a year, doesn’t necessarily mean it is the right thing to do by another club.
      Intangibles like leadership and experience are great, but they don’t get the front of the net cleared.

    • Bigdawg says:

      Good Post Maritime.

      I agree. Don’t know if we will be able to keep both. I feel as though Gio may be easier to let go/trade than Marky.

      Marky has given his heart and soul to this team and we have given much in return as well. MTL is a classy organization and I would like us to try and enable Markov to retire a hab.

      i don’t think it is a stretch to conclude he may be willing to take a hometown discount. Maybe 1-2M below market value on a 2-3 year deal.

    • Cal says:

      Losing Gionta and replacing him with a 20 goal scoring non-smurf would be a very good thing. Habs have too many up front that are too small. He is the last of those UFA signing BG pulled off in July of 2009. It would be nice to put that chapter behind us.

    • rhino514 says:

      I think Markov is one of those guys who can play till at least 37. People on here are wanting to get rid of guys when they hit 32 or 33, I don´t get it. People are already looking forward to the day Pleks will be gone and he just turned 30!
      Plus judging from the videos, Marky seems to be skating fine.
      Gionta…when the chips are down, when it´s clutch time, playoff time, he is the first forward who comes to my mind I´d want to have on the ice. Kind of like Koivu in the latter years; not the number one forward on the team, but a guy you had confidence in in a key situation.
      Plus people act like being able to count on 23-25 goals a year if healthy is no big deal. He can still do that this year.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I agree about Markov, but I wouldn’t miss Gionta, bless his tiny beating heart. 😉 In my mind Gally is the new Gionta, and one of those should be enough. The problem is that we might need him for one more year, but I don’t think we’ll need him for two, and he won’t sign for one IMO.

  63. Fransaskois says:

    HIO! It’s been a while!

    Back in Canada and getting ready for the regular season.

    What did I miss?

  64. habs-fan-84 says:

    It’s pretty obvious Tinordi will be starting the season with the Habs. It’s also looking more likely that Beaulieu will be too.

  65. johnnylarue says:

    @Burly: Agreed about the Wilburys! I recently ‘rediscovered’ (for the first time) the George Harrison album Cloud Nine, also produced by Jeff Lynne and from roughly the same era. Surprisingly consistent songwriting–only a few duds, really–and top notch production, albeit with a distinctly 80s flavour. A great companion piece to the Wilburys record.

  66. SmartDog says:

    Drewiske out. Tinordi in.

    Sometimes the ball just bounces your way.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  67. JO says:

    I’ve never seen a team get injured so easy!!

  68. HabinBurlington says:

    Good news on the Beaulieu injury front.

    JohnLuTSNMtl: #Habs Beaulieu (shoulder) will not play this weekend but is practising with the team’s second group. Plan is still to play him in pre-season

    Lu also reports that Murray and Bouillon injuries are training camp injuries and not serious, but will not be rushed back into action.

  69. BrianSkrudland says:

    First (but don’t tell my boss)

    Daily recommendations for July 26
    Song of the Day: Handle With Care (Traveling Wilburys)
    Movie of the Day: Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels

  70. Maritime Ronn says:

    Poster BrianSkundland was really 1st
    I was just an accident de travail

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