Injured Pacioretty will join Habs on road trip

The Canadiens headed out for a four-game road trip in Western Canada after practice Monday.

Max Pacioretty, who missed Saturday’s game against the Philadelphia Flyers with an upper-body injury, will make the trip with the team. Pacioretty wore a no-contact jersey during the Monday morning practice at the team’s training facility in Brossard.

“We’ll see how he feels tomorrow. If he feels good to compete then, we’ll definitely put him in the lineup,” said coach Michel Therrien, adding that a player always has to be in a position to be able to compete.

Therrien said he expected the road trip – with stops in Calgary Wednesday, Edmonton Thursday, Vancouver Saturday and Winnipeg next Tuesday – will be good for the team.

“It’s always good for team chemistry, leaving early in the season and spending some time together off the ice,” the coach said.

Therrien confirmed that backup goaltender Peter Budaj will play during the western swing, although he didn’t say when.

Brandon Prust filled in at practice for Pacioretty on the line centred by David Desharnais with Daniel Brière.

Therrien acknowledged he expects more from that line.

“We want the competition level to rise,” the coach said.

Lars Eller was named the NHL’s Second Star of the Week after registering three goals and two assists in the first two games of the season. Washington’s Alex Ovechkin was named the first star, while Pittsburgh goalie Marc-Andre Fleury was named the third star.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at Monday’s practice:

Bourque – Plekanec – Gionta
Prust – Desharnais – Briere
Galchenyuk – Eller – Gallagher
Moen – Bournival – White
Pacioretty

Markov – Diaz
Gorges – Subban
Tinordi – Bouillon

(Photo by Dave Sidaway/The Gazette)

Western Canada has been a wasteland for Habs, by Dave Stubbs

Road trip a homecoming for Habs’ Gallagher by Brenda Branswell

If you’re a Habs fan, you’ll love 24CH, montrealgazette.com

Coming together on the road, Canadiens.com

Flyers fire coach Laviolette, NHL.com

 Ovechkin, Eller and Fleury named NHL’s three stars of week, NHL.com

776 Comments

  1. HabFab says:

    Dave Stubbs –

    #Habs Pacioretty isn’t short-cutting anything in practice. Looks ready. We’ll learn more soon

  2. HabFab says:

    The Kid line, getting press from all over North America and hating the EGG line moniker “What does that even mean?…Gallagher”
    http://sports.nationalpost.com/2013/10/08/montreal-canadiens-youthful-egg-line-carrying-club-early-on/

  3. HabFab says:

    Thrower would sooner be in the pros but playing near home ain’t bad either;
    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=685868

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Are you surprised at all that they made him captain Frank? I don’t ask in such a way that he can’t be a worthy captain, but you would think there is at least one or two other overages on that roster from previous seasons that may get consideration as opposed to a new player to the team.

  4. HabinBurlington says:

    I think HI/O should dedicate one thread every day for dd, clearly he is the poster child for this websites success and is deserving a thread for just himself.

    If Diaz can prove over the season that he also is worthy of a dedicated thread then perhaps him as well.

    I also recognize that I have contributed to the need for a dd thread and don’t pretend that i haven’t spent my share of keystrokes on the diminuitive lad.

  5. HabFab says:

    Canadiens Montréal -

    Brian Gionta will join the team in Calgary on Tuesday night.

  6. SteverenO says:

    Desharnais seems to be everybody’s favorite whipping boy this season. Is it deserved?

    I think not. His contribution to the offense, and his defensive effectiveness has been fairly consistent for the past three seasons

    all numbers reflect even strength ice time only

    Offensive:
    2011- Habs goal scored while DD on ice every 24 minutes
    2012- Habs goal scored while DD on ice every 18 minutes
    2013- Habs goal scored while DD on ice every 20 minutes

    Defensively:
    2011- Habs allow a goal while DD on ice every 21 minutes
    2012- Habs goal scored while DD on ice every 22 minutes
    2013- Habs goal scored while DD on ice every 19 minutes

    on the PP he was awesome in 2011 The Habs scored a PP goal every 6.8 minutes when DD was on with the PP unit.

    He 2012 it was one PPG every 9.2 minutes, and in 2013 every 8.7 minutes.

    Not sure what all the fuss is about.

    I agree that there is a problem with the makeup of the team. We have too many centremen. Plek, Eller, DD, Galchenyuk, Briere, are all centremen and none of them are “4th” liners.

    Perhaps we can break tradition and have two first lines and two second lines , and do away with the third and 4th lines? Where is it written in stonevthat a team has to have a 4th line that consists mainly of muckers and guys who carry a lunch pail on the ice instead of a hockey stick?

    Rolling 4 lines, 4 balanced lines, that can both score and play responsible defense would seem to be a winning formula, don”t you think?

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      And the stats that really matter in 2013 are these and not ancient history:

      In the past 33 games including last year’s playoffs and 2 games this year, Desharnais has scored 3 goals and 11 assists.

      That would equate to a 7 goal-34 point 82 game season.
      Put in perspective, 7 goals by a Center in the last 82 game schedule would be ranked 117th for all NHL Centers.

      If this was because of 3rd line minutes and almost no PP time, it would be understandable, yet that was very far from the case.

      Last season Desharnais had the 4th highest minutes for all Habs forwards and the 3rd highest PP minutes.

      His PP time was 12th highest for ALL NHL Centers.

      In the playoffs, it was 2nd highest minutes for all Habs forwards and 3rd highest on the PP where he had a grand total of 1 assist in 5 games.

      • B says:

        FWIW, Desharnais was actually 21st (not 12th) among NHL centers in PP TOI last season:

        http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20132ALLCACALL&sort=powerPlayTimeOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce

        Ignoring your extrapolation on a cherry picked stretch of games, Desharnais actually finished tied for 42nd in goals among NHL centers last season with 10, tied with Kopitar, Krejci, Bergeron, Lecavalier, J.Staal… Not great, but not the end of the world either.

        He was indeed 3rd among Habs forwards in PP TOI though, and tied for 4th in PP points. Could have been better, but could have been worse too. He was tied with Gionta in PP points but Gionta had more PP TOI. I don’t recall folks here going on and on here about Gionta’s PP stats from last season? Of course Gionta is not the whipping boy de jour.

        Eller also had an extended stretch in 2013 with less than stellar production. He got better eventually and was great in the final 12 games (and is off to a great start in the first 2 games this season). It will be interesting to see how Desharnais does this season, but I am not going to extrapolate or react heavily based on the first two games so far. There is a lot of hockey still to be played and we shall see how things unfold. Ideally, Eller keeps it up while others get going to complement it.

        –Go Habs Go!–

      • SteverenO says:

        @ Maritime Ron
        In last years playoffs (even strength only) DD played 70 minutes the same as Plekanec.

        While DD was on the ice the Habs scored two goals and allowed only one. When Plekanec was on the ice the Habs scored only goal and allowed 6.

        the other centers numbers

        Plek 70 mins TOI 1 GF- 6 GA
        DD 70 mins TOI 2 GF – 1 GA
        Gal-27 55 mins TOI 2 GF – 6 GA
        Halpern 34 mins TOI 2 GF – 1 GA
        White 21 mins TOI 1 GF – 2 GA
        Dumont 19 mins TOI 0 GF – 0 GA
        Eller 6 mins TOI 0 GF – 0 GA

        lets throw Gallagher into the mix:
        Gallagher- 60 mins TOI 2 GF – 8 GA

        It seems that DD was NOT the problem in the playoffs.
        Could he have been playing hurt down the stretch and in the playoffs? While I would obviously like to see more goals scored when DD is on the ice, at least the opponents aren’t filling the Habs net while his line is out there.

        Many fans look only at goals and assists, to me those numbers are almost meaningless. All 5 players on the ice should get credit when their team scores and take blame when they are scored upon. Hockey is a team game.

        regards,

        Steve O.

        • B says:

          Good point, Desharnais led the team in +/- last playoffs while leading all Hab’s forwards in ES TOI. He and Halpern were the only pluses on the team. Of course some points would have really helped, but it was not a disaster all around like some here would have you believe.

          –Go Habs Go!–

  7. habsfan0 says:

    Certain members of the EGG line don’t like that handle(and who can blame them?)

    How about the GEG line..Goal Every Game line?
    With apologies to the GAG (Goal A Game) line of the 1970′s(Vic Hadfield,Rod Gilbert, and Jean Ratelle).

  8. nunacanadien says:

    Any update on the issue of Gionta not going? They say it is a family issue, but didn’t they say that about Gionta before he was traded to Montreal also? I wonder…..or is it just a family issue?

  9. John Q Public says:

    I’ll givem 10-15 games then start bashing!
    On a lighter note

  10. TheDagger says:

    Must admit, finding it kind of tough to get into this season with 3 games in 8 days!

    • pmaraw says:

      condensed schedule my butt

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yeah, us not playing tonight = dumb.

      Then on top of that, we’ll have 3 games in 4 nights!
      How are we supposed to over-analyse and rehash the same things ad nauseam in such a short period??
      We’re going to have to pull a couple of all-nighters here at HI/O in order to meet our quotas.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Cal says:

        DD’s line needs the extra day’s practice, eh?

        • mount royal says:

          According to la Presse, Therrien is being pretty tough with DD and was the same last year. He is already under the microscope. So much for those boneheads who think, lack of evidence notwithstanding, that francophones get privileged treatment. Sure any team likes to have locals play for them (look at the love affair between Calgary and their home-boy captain). It increases fan interest and strengthens community involvement. But if the quality is not there, it becomes a negative investment. You lose games and you lose a good marketing opportunity.

      • krob1000 says:

        This is where us veterans must lead the way….I know I can step up and beat a dead horse or twelve. I can also be sure to throw in a ton of ………..’s and run on sentences for everyone to keep everything flowing. Will you do your part?

    • Danno says:

      Last year we had a condensed schedule.

      This year we have a condescending schedule.

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    • reddog24 says:

      See that the Habs are the late game on CBC/HNIC this week in Vancouver. Funny how Hog Town Toronto always get an early 4pm start in Van City. so as to be broadcast in prime time 7pm back in the East. As far as I’m concerned the Habs have as many viewers as The Laffs have across Canada. Talk about Bias toward Toronto with the Taxpayers of Canada’s CBC money. Poor Vancouver has to change their whole game day preparations to host Toronto, think The Laffs get a bit of an edge there. Poor fans who work Sat. and cannot attend but have tickets, guess there out of luck because of Hog Town being CBC/HNIC’s TEAM.

      Only in Canada!!!EH

  11. John Q Public says:

    If some people keep bashing DD he might start shrinking.
    We should hope he has a very good start of the season so as he can be traded. Otherwise who would want him.
    He was signed for marketing reasons but now that Briere is here he’s expendable.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I was hoping that Bergevin was smarter than that when he was brought in. Overall I like him, he gets a passing grade thus far. Bergevin has got the right mentality in some key areas. He’s a real team guy.

      However, he clearly gambled on Desharnais and threw a contract at him just to satisfy the fanbase. Then he turns around and pulls the same move with Briere.

      Ideally, Desharnais should not be on the team, Briere either. And the lines look like this:

      Pacioretty-Eller-Gallagher
      Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
      Prust-Galchenyuk-Bournival
      Moen-White-Parros

      The team would be bigger, probably better at both ends of the ice and their offesive numbers probably wouldn’t change either!

      • Mattyleg says:

        Desharnais had a great year when no-one else was producing.
        I don’t think that believing that someone like that will continue to produce makes you an idiot.

        I wasn’t the only person who was pleased that DD signed that contract. His performance since then hasn’t been great, but if we cast our minds back, Plekanec had a bad year too, and everyone was out with the pitchforks and the tar and the feathers and the m’hey!
        Now lookit him.

        And this idea that MB did something to ‘please the fanbase’ is clearly yet another ‘Rest Of Canada’ anti-Francophone viewpoint that I’m tired of having to read on this site.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • John Q Public says:

          Why would he resign Bouillion who is obviously past his prime?
          Yes I know he was born in NYC.
          Marketing is part of the job and rightly so.
          Not to mention he’s changing the mentality of the team and organization.
          He wants winners, so do we.
          Playing to the fanbase just makes sense.

          • Luke says:

            Bull (and Murray and Drewiske) was resigned to provide cheap depth on Defense in case of injuries and in case Tinordi wasn’t quite ready. We only found out that Tinordi was ready 2 weeks ago.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Matty,

          I NEVER dumped on Plekanec and have always believed he’s a good player and I glad he’s on the Habs. He’s FAR better than Desharnais will ever be btw.

          And I have to disagree about the French player thing. I like and personally hope the Habs have French players on the team and I even believe they should try a little harder to get them. But not at the cost of possibly damaging your own team. I believe Bergevin was pushed over the edge to sign those players because they were French, you don’t have to agree.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Again Hobie, we’re not talking French players, but French-Canadian players, or players who speak French. Ryan White is not an English player, he speaks English.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          matty

          When did Plex have a bad year?
          http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/p/plekato01.html

          Are you referring to 2011/12 when he still managed 17 goals and 52 points?
          Do you remember some of his linemates that Martin/Cunneyworth stuck him with?
          Geoffrion-Darche-Leblanc-Palushaj-Engqvist….

          Apart from that joke, he has never scored less than 20 goals, has always played against the other team’s best line, and has been a huge contributor on the PK.

        • jedimyrmidon says:

          You must one of the only people to be glad. As a hockey player, DD brings one or two good elements to the table, but also has a TON of crippling weaknesses.

          It would be more bearable if he could be shifted elsewhere in the lineup, but the guy’s weaknesses preclude even that! He’s a blackhole without talent next to him – many players would kill for such favourable treatment. Most of the time, such a player would be out of a job.

      • veryhabby says:

        Hobie…for the 15th million time…. DD was arbitration eligible this off summer. DD had a great season and was starting off just as well. He clearly said he did the offer mid-season cause he did not want to go to arbitration where DD’s camp could easily ask for a lot more then $3.5M for a top 2 center. Again go thru the NHL and find a 1a/b offensive center and tell me how many are making more then $3.5M

        Yup he could have waiting till the summer and tried to sign him prior to arbitration. Obviously a gamble he didn’t want to do. Even tho he ended up with a bad 2nd half, his camp could still have gone to arbitration and say 30 games doesn’t cover a players worth, look at what he has done the last few seasons and what he means for this team.

        MB’s mistake was Briere. When he signed DD he didn’t know Briere was available. But once DD was signed why did they go after Briere. Cause his scoring goes up in the playoffs. They clearly told us this in press conference. But he is a horrible line mate for that line. And he fits nowhere else…MAYBE with Pleks if he has enough respect for Pleks to let him actually be the center as he should be. Pls don’t put him with Eller.

        Anyways. At end of day…maybe $0.5M more then if he had waited till season’s end to sign? It would not have been more then that. DD would still be on this team whether signed mid season, end of season, or at arbitration.

      • H.Upmann says:

        I bet he’s regretting pulling the trigger on DD so early, with the way things played out re Briere.

    • pmaraw says:

      small? french? be a Montreal Canadien at Jobs.ca

    • Danno says:

      This looks like a job for Reducto

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    • olematelot says:

      I seriously doubt DD reads what’s said on social media so he would have no idea he’s being bashed on here.

  12. DipsyDoodler says:

    “”I am filled with a great shame for our home and native land,” wrote Yahoo hockey blogger Harrison Mooney. “The red logo looks like it was sponsored by Petro-Canada.”

    Wow! Harrison you need to find some bigger problems to worry about.

    Shame?

    Because you don’t like the jersey?

    And it isn’t really a copy of the PetroCanada logo, it’s a copy of the Canadian Flag. Red Maple Leaf on a white background. Look it up.

    And they got the maple leaf right unlike the Canadian Mint.

  13. B says:

    The NHL is geared more for big players with little skill than it is for little players with big skill.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      How so?

      Who are the “little players with big skill” that are getting a raw deal?
      5’9″ 180 pound Brad Marchand?
      5’11″ 180 pound Dman Erik Karlsson?

      Whatever the team, there has always been physicality in the game.

      If one is a smaller guy, he best have some great skill and hands and be able to find open ice such as a Patrick Kane (5’10″-177) -especially in the playoffs.

  14. Sportfan says:

    Can someone explain to me the stupid jersey rules for the olympics and why they can’t use 2010 Jerseys?

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      I just put a call into Team Canada for you, waiting to hear back.

      However, as for opinion of why, it’s called KaChing, use the same jersey and your sales of new ones is bound to decrease. Okay I understand the monetary desire to change the uniforms up, but at least produce something nice, or just clone a retro from 72 or 76 and use that. An entire generation will now buy them, and those that still have the old ones probably can’t fit into them anymore.

      Oh yah, as soon as i get that return call from Hockey Canada and Nike, I will be sure to post.

    • pmaraw says:

      there’s a new olympic rule, no logo’s.

  15. Regarding DD, DB, Gio, and players of similar size: If one or all of these guys played like Gallagher, would there be as much of a call to arms? I doubt it.

    Now, I’m not saying they don’t play to the best of their abilities and aren’t effective in their own ways. But their skill set just isn’t Gallagh-riffic.

    Would anyone be moaning and whining if we had another player of Gallagher’s stature–by which I mean both size and exact skill set?

    So, then perhaps we should give the “size matters most” debate a time out, people.

    Here’s a little bit of what I mean. My dad is all of 5’7″ or so. Desharnais and Gio height, but almost as wide across the shoulders as he is tall. When I was young, he was pleased as punch that I took an interest in archery (probably relieved, too, that I stopped playing with action figures and running around in the pasture chasing dragons, but that’s another story). Anyway, not long after, he bought me a compound bow. Wanting to try it out, he drew back the string and let fly. Except that the arrow wasn’t properly nocked. The cables let slip and the string exploded off of the pulleys, slicing across the back of his hand. My friend and I, wide-eyed, looked at him as he looked at us. Seared across his hand was an angry red line–beneath was a deep purple welt that began to bleed as we watched in horror. Dad didn’t so much as say ouch. As we looked at one another, all he said was, “What did I do wrong?”

    To me, that single episode embodies my dad’s strength and spirit, both internally and physically. He’s not the biggest of guys, but he’s tough as nails and never, ever backs down. Apparently, btw, he was also a heck of a hockey player, but had to give it up to support his young family and became a mechanic. A very demanding job.

    What’s the moral? As my dad likes to say, “It’s not the size of the dog in the fight…” And you know the rest.

    We need balance, not ballast. Give MB more time and I believe we’ll have just that.

    DDonais

  16. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Somebody at Nike needs to be fired…

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/blogs/pulseofcanada/think-team-canada-jerseys-151635882.html

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  17. TheDagger says:

    Ron Hextall had 584 PIMs haha. That’s amazing.

  18. Lafrich says:

    Regarding Desharnais: He has been considerably less of a player over the last 25 games or so, but I truly believe that he will start producing again. Yes, he has not been very good, but it is not for lack of trying. He is definitely NOT lazy, as some posters have suggested (ahem, Timo). He is a talented player that always seems to overcome his detractors, and I think he will do it again.

    That being said, I am not sure where his place is on this team over the next few years regardless of any increase in performance. With Eller playing better, Pleks still a high quality C, and Galchenyuk soon to move to C, where does he fit?

    • petefleet says:

      Whatever he found within himself to get 60 pts two seasons ago, he hasn’t found it again yet. He looks lost at times, timid, and easily pushed off the puck. They always say if you aren’t productive with the puck, you had better be good without it. Nope, he’s not that either this year. And I am not a DD hater, just saying what I see.

      “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
      Abraham Lincoln

      ***Go Habs Go***

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The word “Fit” is exactly the dilemma the Habs now face with Davy Desharnais

      If we rewind the tape to the Desharnais breakout season of 2011/12, the players playing Center for the Habs were Plex-Gomez-Desharnais-a confused Eller and the likes of White, Nokelainen, Leblanc….

      Starting 2012/13 it was a no brainer.
      Gomez was gone and the ‘knowns’ were Plex and Desharnais (Eller benched for 2 games after Game 1) along with White, Halpern, and a kid named Galchenyuk that was not to see any center ice action.
      Davy stormed out of the gate with 7 goals and 8 assists in his first 22 games – the went backwards while Eller began to emerge.

      It has become rather obvious that the now 6’2″-215 lbs Eller has, and will continue to emerge.
      He knows how and when to hold the puck or pass, and is as tough as nails, protects the puck well, can win puck battles, and has great skill.
      Eller-Plex = #1-2 C and the likes of Galchenyuk yet to take his natural C position either this year or next and fight for that # 1-2.

      Davy D. has given the Habs some good stuff, but his time is up in Montreal.

      There is no more “Fit”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Winnipeg, lack of creative playmaking centers there.

  19. DipsyDoodler says:

    You can never predict the future…

    but if tonight’s Toronto-Colorado game doesn’t include a Roy meltdown after one of Carlyle’s thugs takes a run at an Av player, I will eat a hockey puck. Right here on H I/O.

    • Good one! Of course, saying that the sun’s going to set tonight doesn’t qualify as a prediction either, but I think your divination is just as likely. ;)

      DDonais

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Dipsy

      The Avs have a young Quebec born tough guy by the name of Patrick Bordeleau (6’6″-225) that won’t back down from anyone and is emerging as the next Parros.
      http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1384

      I was hoping the Habs would sign him as he was to become a UFA, then Colorado gave him a contract for 3 years/$3M.
      After that, we traded for Parros…
      They also have Cody McLeod and Steve Downie.

      Avs won’t be pushed around and looking forward to seeing the local MacKinnon play…along with the other Avs quality guys like Lageskog, Duchene, O’Reilly, Statnsy..
      Varlamov vs. Bernier should also be good.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Steve Downie is just plain psycho, to me he is a clone of Matt Cooke. When any team plays the Avalanche you have to be cognisant of when he is on the ice, as he seems to prefer to injure people than play hockey.

        • savethepuck says:

          I feel the same way about Downie. He’s one of those guys I think has no respect for opposing players and is out there to hurt or maim someone.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          burli

          The Leafs have Orr
          The Avs have Downie
          Let’s not forget when Orr tried to end the career of Plax last year and gave Bourque his concussion
          2 psychos that almost cancel each other out and I would have no issue if Downie took a run at Orr….

  20. HabinBurlington says:

    Maritime Ronn mentioned that DD (of the Desharnais variety) may indeed be on the wrong team. I wonder if a comparable would be Martin Erat he formerly of the Nashville Predators. For years he was one of their offensive leaders, but was also one of their only undersized players. This allowed him to be on one of their premiere offensive lines but surrounded with bigger forwards. (I realize he is listed at 6′, but he doesn’t look that big on the ice to me)

    Then last season George McPhee made a terrible trade (I felt) as he gave up a promising young big forward in Filip Forsberg for the slightly diminuitive Erat. He didn’t really produce for Washington in playoffs and now finds himself on their 4th line. Again, wrong place wrong time for Erat in Washington.

    Perhaps DD would be best suited in a market like a Nashville, Florida etc… where the fans don’t scream MOAR and perhaps as one of their only smaller players he could flourish.

    The Habs just seem to have 1-2 too many of similar sized skilled players.
    Last year George McPhee

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Interesting view Gerald. I’m not sure if its just as simple as not having the strength to play at this level. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on him yet but it sure looks like his contract was a big mistake.
      Off to get a Tux. Powder blue or Orange?

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Powder Orange. With Orange Suede Shoes.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I like DD…(I know, I know), but I agree his days here should be numbered. The problem is the contract. Even if I like him as a player, I don’t think he should have gotten that contract. 2 years max and he MAY have been tradeable. Now I just don’t see it happeneing.

        What’s the tux for?

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  21. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Greetings,
    Just in from school, flying out again for the evening, but wanted to encourage you to listen to this week’s CBC Sunday Edition which I heard today as a podcast in my car. There’s a really good interview with Dave Bidini about his new book on Dave Keon, and it touches on many of the current issues which we post about here.

    http://www.cbc.ca/thesundayedition/

    I think if you click this link you can either download the entire podcast or else just listen online to the Bidini interview.

    (Oh and Habsfan4life! Did you study anatomy at the Recchi School of Medical Science?!! Only saying!).

    Cheers all.

  22. Sportfan says:

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  23. JO says:

    Prediction: Leafs lose their 1st game tonight against the Avalanche.

  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    Not to harp on this, because that’s not my style, but the recent events in Philly makes Vincent Lecavalier’s quibbling about why he chose to go there even more ridiculous.

    “I like the organization…”

    Indeed. Booooooo!

  25. habs-hampton says:

    First of all, I love DD and his story (undrafted, starting in the ECHL, etc.), but he is not an NHL player.

    Some posters here are saying DD needs some time in the press box or 4th line. I don’t think benching him, or moving him to 4th line will do anything for DD, because his poor prodution has nothing to do with his determination, attitude or desire. He simply does not have the tools to play in the NHL. At his size you need something extra (e.g. Gallagher or St. Louis) However, reducing his minutes WILL help the rest of the team, because other guys get more icetime.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      hi hampton

      Here’s respectfully disagreeing just a little about Desharnais tools to be an NHLer.

      He has played 180 regular season NHL games and has 34 goals and 111 total points.

      The lad has very good vision and playmaking ability (during the season) has average skating, and is not a complete defensive liability

      While I don’t see a fella like Desharnais ever being a Top 6 on a serious Cup contending team, he may just be on the wrong team at the wrong time taking up space and minutes that should go to others.
      Coach MT is forcing him into a Top 6 position and Desharnais is not made for that.

      Perhaps a good fit for Desharnais is on a team that has 2 established Top lines and where he fills in well on a 3rd line with 2 good sized wingers and sees little to no PP time

      • habsguru says:

        perhaps DD should be on the fourth line with Moen and White! What could possibly go wrong????

      • habs-hampton says:

        I just don’t see him fitting on any of our 4 lines when we are healthy. He’s too slow (for a small guy), too easily knocked off the puck. Good passer, and great hands in close, but he never gets in close.

        Maybe you’re right. It’s just the wrong situation or team for him. Time will tell.

    • christophor says:

      He’s definitely an NHL player. He’s just looking like the odd man out on one team.

  26. Mattyleg says:

    Anybody else here think that Calgary will surprise a lot of people this year?

    They’re off to a pretty good start: 1-0-2, which ties them for first in their division. (I know, I know, it’s early…)

    They have a team full of nobodies with everything to prove and nothing to lose, they have been written off by the pundits (an extremely good thing in my book, and another reason I’d love to see them do amazing), and they’ve put 12 goals on the board in 3 games.

    Couple of hard-men, couple of youngsters… just need to get their goaltending sorted.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Danno says:

      And they have Camel Larry – currently sidelined

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      Most dangerous teams are the teams that have nothing to lose

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • habsguru says:

      Calgary is in a world of hurt with no sign of relief in the near future. how is there highschool draft pick developing?

    • Cal says:

      Flames will improve on last season, but not by much. They will suffer the pain of not unloading their veterans early enough to get better draft picks in return. This is all because Feaster kept believing his team could win it all the past few years. Now that his tune has changed (trading Iginla and Kiprusoff retiring), watch them go on a tear.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Yep, I think teams with nothing to lose and pride can be dangerous. Monahan is looking really good too. “Everyone thinks we’re coming in last.” is an easy motivator.

      Speaking of last, the race for last place next season is going to be almost as exciting as the race for first!

  27. Dust says:

    @Maritime Ronn
    I would think moving DD down to the fourth would be the best option. Let Briere centre Patches and Prust.

    What I would really like to see is the lines to be
    Patches – Pleks – Gionta
    Galchenyuk – Eller – Gally
    Prust – Briere – Bourque
    Moen – DD – White (or bournival depending on who we play)
    Now if we can get rid of DD even better. Let white centre Moen and Parros(when he comes back)

  28. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    This has to be the only double D Timo does not like…lol

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  29. Stevie.Ray says:

    I don’t like this lengthened season. I preferred having a game almost every day, rather than two a week. NHL should just go to an MLB similar schedule

  30. habsguru says:

    DD could try going hard to the net… works for Gally. if nothing else he may draw 2 minutes for abuse of a smurf

  31. Sportfan says:

    You know i don’t mind the Oilers at all I’ve considered them a second team, but looking at their young players and ours. I prefer our young guys over theirs. (although I’d like Eberle)

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  32. Danno says:

    Even the good ones can have a bad day at the office

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  33. Timo says:

    According to RDS Gionta’s son is doing a lot better and Gionta will be arriving to Calgary today.

  34. Psycho29 says:

    Thanks for the kind wishes everyone!
    Nice of Front to change his routine and have a drink for me! ;-)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      The guy does nothing but give eh? Happy Birthday Psycho, you and Johnny Ramone share the same birthday.

      • longbow says:

        My birthday too. And Matt Damon, Chevy Chase, Sigourney Weaver, Stephanie Zimbalist, Eddie Rickenbacker, Juan Peron, Danny Murtaugh, Rona Barrett, Walter Gretzky, Paul Hogan, Jesse Jackson, Dennis Kucinich, Hamish Stuart and Michael Rose of Average White Band, Racer Bill Elliot, Tony Eason, Cece Wynans, Matt Biondi, C-Jay Ramone, Soon-Yi Previn, Frederik Modin, Raffi Tores, and Angus T, Jones of Two and a Half Men.

        ” Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm ” – Winston Churchill

  35. C-Sword says:

    Haha, Kings scored all 4 goals in 3-1 loss against Rangers

  36. Sportfan says:

    @HabinBurlington wasn’t one of the reasons why Carter and Richards were in trouble because of the fact they didn’t sign the no drinking rule that Lavy start, or was it just the Pronger stuff?

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  37. Maritime Ronn says:

    Some major Red Flags and sirens going off concerning Davy Desharnais.

    After doing some research concerning trends, a few items are starting to show themselves – none of which are good at this moment.

    Yes, Desharnais had a nice coming out season back in 2011/12 with Max and Eric Cole as his wingers (will get back to that) yet the Habs also finished 28th.
    Also, there was no real book on Desharnais as he had only played 3rd/4th line minutes in a total of 49 games during the 2 seasons before that.

    In NHL hockey where ‘what have you done for me lately’ is the motto, there is a huge problem at this moment and one that interestingly dates back to the Eric Cole/Ryder trade and the 4 year contract extension.

    In checking Desharnais stats last year, he started out the year extremely well with 7G and 8A in his first 22 games.
    That equates to a 56 point season. Not bad at all.
    Of those 22 games, 19 were played with Eric Cole as his winger before the Dallas trade.

    Another item is that Desharnais signed his 4 year extension after Game 25 of last year.

    After those 22 games, and in the past 33 games including last year’s playoffs and 2 games this year, Desharnais has scored 3 goals and 11 assists.
    That would equate to a 7 goal-34 point 82 game season.
    Put in perspective, 7 goals by a Center in the last 82 game schedule would be ranked 117th for all NHL Centers.

    If this was because of 3rd line minutes and almost no PP time, it would be understandable, yet that was very far from the case.

    Last season Desharnais had the 4th highest minutes for all Habs forwards and the 3rd highest PP minutes.
    His PP time was 12th highest for ALL NHL Centers.

    In the playoffs, it was 2nd highest minutes for all Habs forwards and 3rd highest on the PP where he had a grand total of 1 assist in 5 games.

    So what to do?
    Can Desharnais only perform with 2 big hulking wingers?
    Unfortunately on the right side, the Habs are not big with Gionta and Gallagher, so a swap of either Gionta/Gallagher for Briere is 4 quarters for a buck…and now is not the time to split up those other lines.

    If Desharnais had PK skills or the ability to center a 4th line, something could be worked out, but that is not the case.
    3rd line?
    How do you ask Max-Briere to pay 3rd line minutes?
    Shuffle the other lines?
    That makes no sense at this moment either.

    Would a 2 game stint in the press box help as what Coach Therrien did with Eller after just 1 game last year?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I have alarms going off for Briere and DD….Max is the only player on that line

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Timo says:

      MR, it’s a good analysis, but I think it is safe to conclude that Desharnais is a total bust, a lazy uncommitted player and that Bergivin is an idiot for giving him this contract.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I think all HI/O posters can agree unequivocably and without fear of contradiction on all three of those points.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Timo says:

          I am sorry, I am sorry… do you mean to say that all HIO posters agree with Timo? You realize how crazy that sounds, right?

          • Habsrule1 says:

            Hey Timo,

            You’re not coming to the Summit are you? I don’t know why, but I think I’d enjoy a pint with you.
            And I say that in the most straight way possible (not that there’s anything wrong with that).

            It’s like a hate/love online relationship, ya know?

            Go Habs Go!!

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          • Timo says:

            Nope. I was considering but then Ian said he and Boone would be dancing on tables with their thongs on and I reconsidered.

            Cheers, Paul. I am always up for a pint with anyone from HIO.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Timo
        Regarding Bergevin, is that Marc or Mark?
        :-)

      • veryhabby says:

        I don’t think MB is an idiot for giving him “a” contract. I think he may have learnt his lesson to wait till season’s end, but either way MB was going to give him “a” contract. The only difference is it may have been one less year, a bit less money (i.e $3M/3yrs).

        But MB made it clear why he signed him when he did. He didn’t want to go to arbitration. Felt that DD had a case to ask for more money as a top 2 center then the $3.5M he ended up with. And do a check of the NHL. What is the average cap for a 2 line center? Now with Pac as your winger, you expect him to be one of your top centers again.

        If MB had waited till end of season, “a” contract would still have been given, just maybe a tad less then what he signed for midseason.

        Now it’s only 2 games in. I think that Briere/DD are not a good combo. I have no idea where Briere is a good fit, and if anything Briere is as big a problem on this team as DD. He is washed up, no more then a 3rd liner at this point…and he is making $4M! Way too much for a 3rd liner.

        It’s MB’s mess to fix. MT will try what he can with the lines, but MB will fix it if it doesn’t end up working. MB has made it clear he will fix mistakes. And I don’t doubt him. Briere was not a good replacement for Cole/Ryder to play with DD

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          hi habby

          That may have been a little bit of a rookie GM hometown emotion that took over.
          As mentioned, he had a great first 22 games and the contract extension was after game 25.

          That contract also bought 2 years of UFA time.
          We should also remember that Eller was in Limbo at that time and Galchenyuk was a very raw rookie.
          Plex was the only sure thing….and that’s how bad it was.

    • Cal says:

      Sit DD? Blasphemy!
      Kidding. Sitting him may light a fire under his butt. Mind you, it’s tough when 2/3 of the line both want to do exactly the same thing. DD’s and Brière’s games are too much alike right now to be effective. More time just might be the answer.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Cal

        I was watching David Feherty interview Sergio Garcia and the ups and downs of the golf game and the outside things that go on.
        One time when Sergio was slumping, he blamed his lack of concentration on the break-up with girlfriend Greg Norman’s daughter.
        Maybe RDS should look into Davy’s love life….

    • Fransaskois says:

      If you sit Desharnais and he is unable to produce, his trade value plummets and we are left with his contract. Our only choice is to play him, hope he resembles something of an NHL centre and trade him to a team like Nashville (very little offence) for peanuts.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        hi frans

        Hard to know what Desharnais trade value ever was.
        Not many teams want that style of player in their Top 6, although he could be a 3rd line center and a solid insurance policy if a Top 6 guy went down

  38. Ian Cobb says:

    This 4 game road trip will set the tone for the whole season. If we come home with at least 6 points in the bank, the coaches and players will have the confidence needed to have a very successful season. I think we fight for 4th place in our conference this year!

  39. Lafrich says:

    With regards to Quick: There are a lot of people here so excited that a goalie that is considered elite let in a bad goal so that they can justify Price’s bad goals from years past. Let me tell you all something: That goal on Quick was a FLUKE goal – not a bad goal. Don’t try to compare. That type of goal is not the type that any of us would really blame Price for. It was a complete fluke. It is the stoppable shots that he has let in consistently throughout his career (excluding one good season) that bothers us.

    Let’s be frank here. Price has NOT lived up to his “potential”. He has lost his starting job twice after he was handed it on a silver platter, and has really only had one good season out of 6-7. The Habs don’t need him to ‘steal’ games – All we want is for him to not lose the games as he did in the last third of last season, and definitely in last year’s playoffs.

    Here’s hoping that Price raises his game to the next level, and keeps it there for the next several years.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Very narrow view of a team game…..how was the defense in the playoffs?? Others will say we lost due to the lack of size. And the “handed it on a silver platter” comment speaks volumes. Carey does need to improve his game and I’m sure he works harder at it than most of his critics do at their profession.

    • The Jackal says:

      No one is using his freak goal to justify Price’s bad goals. But people ARE creating a double standard in judging Price vs. judging another goalie. Quick, Price, and Rinne had identical stats last season, they all under-performed, but EVERY hockey person will tell you they are ALL elite goalies. The difference between Price and the other two is that those two play behind a very solid defence, while Price is stuck behind our D that unfortunately makes a lot of mistakes. Those “soft” goals you see are mostly the result of poor coverage and blown assignments. All you have to do is watch one game, any game, and you will see Price save someone’s ass. He can’t do it all the time but he does it enough.

      And no, Price did not lose the job “twice.” He lost it once and had they kept Halak, it would not have been forever anyway, as he is a better goalie and has proven it. And before you say anything about the stats, Halak is another goalie that plays behind a stellar D and sees about 19-23 shots a game, usually from bad spots. So it seems that it is you who is using a bad comparison to make a point about Price.

      That goal shows that any goalie lets in bad goals, yeah it was a fluke, but it was a lapse in concentration, which happens to every goalie at some point, and no, it does not happen to Price more often than not. That criticism is just levied because people don’t take into account defensive coverage when saying Price let in a softy or whatever.

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      • alfieturcotte says:

        Lafrich -I couldn’t agree more with your assessment of Price’s play.

        And Jackal – for the record, Price lost his job TWICE (Lafrich was right). By the way, do you scout each of halak’s games to know where those “20″ shots come from???

        Time for Price to actually live up to that “potential” (and salary). His penchant for letting soft goals should not be subject to discussion. Rare are the games where I don’t see one or more that he should have stopped.

        Hard to beleive the support he receives on this board given his career stats. I applaud Lafrich for calling it as it should be seen.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      It’s sad that it’s come to this.

    • TheDagger says:

      You really think if Price let in that goal that no one would blame him? No one?

  40. nek25plus says:

    With regards to flyers…these issues existed last year-the difference? It was Bryzgalov’s fault!!! Now they have to really assess the true issue .

    • Sportfan says:

      It was Holmgrem and Laviolettes fault they go him, they “needed” really good goal-tending, despite the fact a really underrated goalie got them to the finals. They traded away Carter and Richards the two best things for that team (despite how douchy they could be) so they could make room for Bryz and again Laviolette didn’t like them, because they didn’t sign his stupid no drinking thing.

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  41. nek25plus says:

    Working for Flyers is a thank-less job. Snyder runs the team through his puppets. With Giroux hurting and probably shouldn’t even be in the lineup yet – the team playing like individuals, no team defense-leaving goalies to hold the bag and banking on Vinny to be your savior…you’re in trouble.

    Should have made a coaching change in the spring.

  42. frontenac1 says:

    Hockey is in Molsons DNA. He was raised with the Habs,played hockey as a lad and still plays I believe. The guy sits in the crowd with the fans. Big difference between him and some of those Hedge Fund guys who have never played the game and their hockey team is just another little toy in their portfolio.

    • The Jackal says:

      For sure, it is great to have an owner who loves his Habs, knows hockey (as in they play and watch the game), and is involved yet at arm’s reach, AND cares about the community.

      Although…. I wouldn’t mind being a hedge guy with a toy hockey team…

      Man… it would be great to work in a hockey team.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      That’s very true, and I’m glad to see Montreal hockey back in Montreal hands.

      Having said that, Uncle George was pretty good to our boys…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Sportfan says:

      I’m very happy it was Molson who bought the team and not the nut job who owns Videotron.

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  43. Psycho29 says:

    Well started off my 55th birthday with a nice hockey gift, the Pat Burns book “Coach”…

    Hmmm….wonder if I can finish reading it by October 26th and re-gift it as a Summit Prize???? ;-)

  44. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning tout le monde!

    Had a good laugh at Quick.
    Anyone lining up here to say that he’s “not a number 1 goalie” and that he had “one flash in the pan season”?

    Didn’t think so!

    Once again, schedulers are all on blue crystal meth: Two games in seven days… followed by three games in four nights.

    The stupid idea that this all ‘balances out’ is stupid. Ask anyone who had a baby; you can’t ‘bank’ rest. Once the baby comes, it’s sleeplessness and exhaustion regardless of how much you’ve kicked back beforehand.

    Hope our boys do as well out West as they did last year!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • The Jackal says:

      Poor Quick, he has so horrified when it went in. There are a couple of comments re. that incident down below, the original is much in the same sentiment as yours, and in typical Hab fan fashion, some were quick to extenuate Quick and say how Price would be at fault :D

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  45. Ian Cobb says:

    Boston vs Montreal–Great way to start the day! from Ian via Brian Joans.
    Some things just never get old: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGjpo8CxqXY

    • Chuck says:

      Ian, imagine if there was a HI/O back then! The masses would have been calling for Dryden to be shipped out of town! He goes down too quickly! He can’t make the big save! Should’ve traded him before he was ruined!

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      • Ian Cobb says:

        Yes Chuck, and did you notice how many elbows and boarding shots to the head there was out there with no helmets.

      • Cal says:

        In 1971 Dryden had only played 6 regular season games before McNeil tagged him as the Habs playoff goalie that year.
        Dryden’s success versus Price’s lack of same can’t be compared. Totally different eras. Price has had excellent coaching from just about the time he started playing goal. Dryden never did have much formal training.
        In this day and age with all the training and coaching, Dryden may be a great goalie. As it is, Dryden was the best goalie of his time, even though it was a short 8 year career. 6 Cups.

    • Habsrule1 says:

      Hey Ian,
      If it’s not too late, my gues and I would do the Bell Centre Tour for $6.
      If it is, I guess we’ll hang out at Hurley’s and drink instead.

      Go Habs Go!!

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  46. Lafleurguy says:

    Watching the Flyers the other night, and looking at their plight overall, I’m glad there are good defensemen prospects in the Habs’ system. Flyers’ top 4 have two old guys (Timmonen, Streit), and they gave up a draftpick AND signed an overpriced contract to get UFA Streit.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  47. The Cat says:

    Laviolette should get work soon, the GM traded away some big names, made bad trades, etc, and then blames the coach.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  48. Price07 says:

    Imagine if Price let in the goal that Quick let in last night? Oh boy would the poor guy never hear the end of it…Even great goalies mess up.

    • The Cat says:

      Its not the messing up that counts, its the amount of times you mess up.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Thought the same thing but was afraid to say so.

      • Strummer says:

        You hit the nail on the head, Cat

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      • The Jackal says:

        Comments like these are hysterical – amount of times you mess up? Typical distorted fan criticism, they assume other goalies rarely mess up and their goalie messes up all the time, as if there are no other factors that are contributing to what THEY perceive is the goalie messing up.
        And to boot this screw-up is said to be when it doesn’t count, very funny statement considering that if it was indeed Price, people would not be taking that at all. And in the 82 game season, losing 2 points can be a big deal in the end, specially if a team was buried by a mistake like that.

        And not to sound rude, you are all of course entitled to voice your opinion, but just know these comments re. Quick’s gaffe reveal a double standard when judging goalies. That reminds me, Quick and Price had a similar save % last year, but I guess we can discount that as well as their different performances in the post-season because Quick is better, and that is the only factor too, right? It’s reasoning like this that makes me very sceptical about the validity of many criticisms people raise about Price.

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    • Maritime Ronn says:

      The difference is Quick has a Stanley Cup ring and a Conn Smythe Trophy.
      I guess he’s allowed a mulligan here and there when it doesn’t really count.

    • Cal says:

      Like what happened to Ryan O’Byrne?
      Hab fans can be and are like elephants when it comes to their favourite players to bash.

    • Price07 says:

      Hahaha ya as if you clowns wouldn’t complain about a habs goalie even after they had a cup under their belt. Carey Price messes up all the time huh? You goalie gurus know a lot about goaltending right? Price’s save percentage last year was better than Quick’s. Quick had a better team. Quick is a great goalie, but if he had those numbers in montreal you guys would be all over him! Btw, Rinne was pulled more times than Price last season. Keep being delusional…Montreal fans treat their players horribly. They also rarely watch any other games. Watch at least one game everyday and maybe you’ll see that all players go through ups and downs.

      People have such short memories here, considering the caliber of team the habs have, the age of Price since he’s been in the NHL, he is a number one goalie. Is he a superstar? No, but at 26 there is no reason to think he can’t get better. Before the terrible second half of last season, Mackenzie had Price for the vezina. The year the habs finished last in the east…Price had a .916 save percentage. Oh and those dummies (sarcasm) at team canada headquarters must just be big habs fans and that’s why they chose (and will choose) Price.

  49. commandant says:

    With Laviolette Gone, who is next on the hotseat.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/10/08/following-laviolette-which-coach-is-the-next-in-the-line-of-fire/

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    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Tks for the link

      Friedman is a real smart connected guy and it’s too bad he has to share the stage with the likes of PJ Stock.
      That’s almost like forcing Einstein to share a stage with Alfred E. Neuman

  50. Habfan10912 says:

    Good Tuesday morning to all! In case anyone thought otherwise, it looks like Snider was the driving force behind the coaching change in Philly land. A bit testy at the presser as well.

    http://www.crossingbroad.com/2013/10/ed-snider-gets-angry-at-flyers-press-conference-yells-at-reporters-thats-our-culture-we-dont-need-a-fresh-perspective.html

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Morning Jim, thanks for link. This is why I wish Torts had gone to Philly, would have been priceless!

      • Loonie says:

        Torts coaching that team would have been a nightmare for the East in my opinion buddy.

        That team playing with discipline would make them awfully tough to beat.

        Hopefully Craig Berube doesn’t realize this.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I have to admit you make a good point, I have probably under valued the qualities Torts does bring to a team. Morning Tom, trust you doing well.

          • Loonie says:

            I am doing well thanks, hope you are too.

            As for the good point, I should probably take a cue from George Costanza and leave on a high note.

            ;)

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Just dawned on me loons and ducks are related, any ancestors from Guangdong province?

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Loonie says:

            Ha.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Lafleurguy, we feed your in-laws at the lake all summer long. If the don’t get their usual feeding one actually waddles half way from the river to the cabin quacking angrily for his bread.

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Howdy fellow Winnipeger! David Waltner-Toews, a veterinarian and author pointed out that ducks are the gentlest birds around and required little effort from humans to domesticate.* Really funny your duck neighbor is human-like in his impatience!

            “May you live in interesting times.”
            *Book: “The Chickens Fight Back”

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Quack Quack !

            Mr. Biter
            No Guts No Glory

      • H.Upmann says:

        you can just imagine how Torts would rip the reporter a new one

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Morning Jim

      When we see things like soon to be 81 year old Ed Snyder and his back stage meddling, Habs fans should be happy to have a great owner such as Geoff Molson.

      The word out there is that Mr. Molson trusts his hockey people, and while always wanting to be aware, would never meddle in a hockey decision.

      The Habs spend to Cap Ceiling, yet also important is that the new regime has almost Carte Blanche to spend money on off Cap issues such as building a proper hockey org from all aspects of scouting to player development.

    • Cal says:

      Thanks Jim. Absolutely hilarious! It’s about time somebody over there asked a pointed question or three.

    • Loonie says:

      Pushes to sign Bryz, results in trading Bobrovsky.

      Pushes for Laviolette firing and makes the cardinal sin, turning the guy who gives hugs(Berube) into the guy who cracks the whip. It won’t go well.

      In fact, I can’t think of a time where going from the head coach to his assistant or associate has worked out well in the last couple of decades or so.

      • mksness says:

        i still think there is some good talent on the flyers. i was surprised on how poorly they played against the habs. although i do have to say i’m not a laviolette fan.

        • Loonie says:

          I agree, they have talent for days. I think their biggest problem is very similar to ours. Their defensemen save for Kimmo Timonen are terribly one dimensional. They need to lean on him like we need to lean on Subban. Problem is that Timonen is 38 years old.

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            And apparently they have the most expensive blue line (*) in the league.

            (*) made of crushed lapis lazuli.

  51. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning

    While the Habs do not designate a #1-2-3 line, what will be interesting and more important moving forward, is how the opposition considers the Habs #1-2-3 lines.

    That designation is very important as it will determine line match ups against the Habs, and also what D pairing(s) play against what Habs lines.

    As an example, it’s one thing to play against Bruins D such Krug-Hamilton-McQaid vs. having Chara-Boychuk-Seidenberg in your face all night…or having to beat Patrice Bergeron all over the ice and the faceoff circle, vs. Chris Kelly.

    The Plex line will always get attention because of their talent and experience.
    With some exceptions and when 100% healthy, there are few better all around “2nd lines” in the NHL that can both score and be defensively responsible.

    The question becomes which line the opposition will treat as the 3rd line on 5X5 hockey even once Max gets back.
    If the Eller line is deemed Top 6 by the opposition, they will face several new and tougher challenges.

    If so, that could be a blessing for the Briere line that could face an opponent’s 3rd pair D and less talented forwards.
    Then again, 3rd lines and 3rd pair D sometimes have more physicality….

    • Habfan10912 says:

      There is potential to cause matchup problems with such balance. I’m thinking that every coach in the league will pay attention to Galchenyuk, Eller and Gallagher and treat them as the number 1 line.
      Was going to take a shot at MT about their limited ice time but it seemed in game 2 they were rewarded with more ice. Perhaps even he is seeing what the rest of the league is seeing. Oh crap, I guess I took a shot at him anyway.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        The Eller line certainly had more ice time, yet I could not believe what happened in the 3rd period in terms of PP choice.
        The Flyers took a 2nd penalty at the 4:12 mark and would be playing 2 man short 3X5 hockey for the next minute.

        Take a guess which center gets the offensive zone start?
        Nothing happened until EGG got on the ice and Gallagher scored to make it an important 3-0.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Playing Devils advocate, MT may also have seen that as opportunity to get DD and his line jump started. Until he is not on the team it is important that MT find a way to get that line going.

  52. jols101 says:

    Quick WTF ? LOL

  53. savethepuck says:

    Wow, Edmonton with 4 goals in the 3rd to erase a 3-0 deficit to take a 4-3 lead.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  54. sheds88 says:

    anyone else notice that even though it was a shortened season last year, the best two teams did make it to the finals. do we really need all 82 games to decide that ?

  55. punkster says:

    I’ll stick to the groomers myself but at this time of year it’s fun to imagine what’s to come:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdR6T_N12QQ

    Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
    but…
    ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I use to ski these mountains up unto My early-fifties …My Kids made Me more aware of My keeping Myself in one piece

      …went back to visit the mountains with the Kids for first time in ten years this summer

      …my, how the glaciers have shrunk, yet for anyOne here yet to visit God’s Country, please see it and do it while You are still young :)

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Careful with that receding glacier talk HiS, that’s just your imagination, let it go unspoken. Don’t want to be flamed online by a group of young oily Conservatives assailing you with a ‘broken hockey stick’.

  56. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …this should be heartening news for Frontenac, His Kingston Frontenacs are playing well and 2 of their players highly-rated for the 2014 draft; Sam Bennett and Roland McKeown

    …according to Button the theme of the coming draft appears to be a good crop of power wing-men with size and skill

  57. jols101 says:

    RNH hasn’t played a game since April, he has 16:58 of ice time after 2 periods. Stupid.

    I mean, I always wish Therrien would give Galchenyuk more ice time but that is a little overboard.

  58. Sportfan says:

    Laviolette fired and Oilers can’t win with duby lol
    Time for the Oilers to wake the heck up and get a better goalie!
    As for Laviolette he is the reason why Carter and Richards are gone he pulled a lot of dumb bs with Holmgren as GM hopefully he’s out soon, although I’m torn, cause Philly losing is a tad funny.

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    • savethepuck says:

      Labarbara is playing tonight, can’t blame Dubnyk for this one.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      Last year Dubnyk had a .920 save%. Better than Price, Ward, Luongo and Fleurry. Lundqvist was 0.926
      Tonight, he isn’t even in net. I think I noticed you harp on him in a previous thread too, but I think you’re giving him flak which is unwarranted.

  59. Boooos in Edmonton, hope we don’t lose to these Tankers. That would be embarrassing.

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  60. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @HabInBurlington

    …Gerald putting this shift-chart in the hands of Berkshire is like putting an AR-15 sub-machine gun in the hands of Osama bin-Laden on the corner of 42nd Street and Broadway in Manhattan

    …Ye know not what Ye wrought Gerald :(

    http://www.shiftchart.com/

  61. Timo says:

    Rags-Kings game on. Not a bad game. I think Kings have MOAR.

  62. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …what are the odds and evens We go bowling in Edmonton ?

  63. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …any red-blooded true-blue Habs’ Fan would believe He/She had died and arrived in Paradise, if Our top-3 lines were centred by Giroux, Lecavalier and Couturier

    …not because of the guaranteed 72 wide-eyed untouched virgins (nor for the ladies, 72 well-endowed, chiseled towel boys) that Allah is promising as an incentive to join His Team,

    …but because these 3 home-boys are what We dream of of what could be

    …well, for one night, at least, …Our present DD, Eller, Pleckanec and White combination certainly looked more like the doe-eyed virgins and towel-boys that appear to be the better choice to help Us reach Nirvana than Vinny et amis

  64. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …the countdown begins …tick, tock, tick…

    …to Saturday’s game against da Canuckle-heads

    …Patches better be ready or there will be one VERY disappointed 17 old in da House :)

  65. STZA says:

    What is Edmonton’s problem? I want them to do well, mostly because of fantasy hockey reasons, but they seem like they’ll never get it together…

  66. savethepuck says:

    @ Bill, if you are still around. You were asking about 24CH in English. I am in NB and I think you are too, it is on TSN 2 at 8 PM Wed and on TSN at 3 PM Thurs, I assume they are both the same episodes but is unclear in the guide.
    I am PVRing both anyway.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Bill says:

      Thanks buddy. I think they are the same episode: I’ll be PVRing on Thursday so I can get it in HD (don’t get TSN2HD for some reason).

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  67. jols101 says:

    Dark visors, like the one Perron is wearing, do they serve a practical purpose or is it just a fashion statement?

    • Mike D says:

      I really have no idea, but maybe they reduce the glare, or maybe they help hide the players eyes so opponents can’t see where they are looking (to interpret their next move/pass).

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny
      The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • Welks says:

      People who have had concussions sometimes retain a sensitivity to bright light even after they recovery. The dark visors reduce the amount of light for those people.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      LaDainian Tomlinson of the Chargers used a fully tinted one, claimed he had light sensitivity, but opposing tacklers swore that he used it to his advantage, they couldn’t see his eyes and guess which way he was going. Since then, the NFL ‘grandfathered’ the few players who used them, but no other players are allowed them.

    • belle_moustache says:

      look at Mark Stall, he’s also wearing a dark visor since his terrible eye injury last year.

      I think I heard it had something to do with reducing bright light or something. It would make sense in his case.

    • HabsLifer says:

      I lost a lot of sight in an eye to a puck in 1989. Since then, I wore a 1/2 visor and believe or not, I wore tinted dark sport glasses under my visor due to a cornea issue that allowed too much light in the eye. It made a big different. No different than wearing sun glasses on a bright day. Remember, there is a lot of light on the ice, especially with the high density lighting. It is certainly not a “fashion” statement. It really does make a difference.

  68. Timo says:

    Where is everybody?

    • Mike D says:

      I was just wondering that too, Timo.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny
      The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I’m here for ya bud!

    • JohnBellyful says:

      The NSA might be able to help you with that.

    • ProHabs says:

      Where is Colby Armstrong

    • Bill says:

      Just two games in seven days, and they don’t play until Wednesday. There’s nothing to talk about. So no one is around.

      It seemed like there were a bunch of noobs in here right after the Parros debacle, but they’re gone. I think they just swooped in to tell us that fighting is still great and not to pay any attention to the fact that the Habs lost that game and suffered two injuries. Then they left. I wish they’d come back so I could have some fun marvelling at their total refusal to accept reality.

      It’s like no one has the energy to post. Even the DD haters seem to be tired of trade proposals, which sucks, because I have 10% of my day set aside just for laughing at DD trade proposals.

      Could somebody post some lame line combinations? And could you also act like you’re really on to something? I need some entertainment.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Timo says:

        I agree. The 2 four day breaks are not helping. One thing I enjoyed about the shortened season is that there was a game every other night.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Short memory Brylcream boy. Still don’t like being called names. Also don’t forget that Moen and White had to fight in our win vs. Flyers after they started going after B Gally or were your blinders on when that happened or perhaps the Habs should have “turned the other cheek“and let the Flyers have fun with him. twit.
        And by the way before your rant about the Angry pro fighters on this site, I was enjoying a Sapporo watch the Dodgers vs Braves feeling fine.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The weirdest was the guy who signed up yesterday with a juvenile handle, spewed all-caps venom to start, then turned into an eloquent but obvious troll. I’m sure it wasn’t the same guy, it’s like we had a tag-team of trolls using the same logon id.

  69. on2ndthought says:

    From what I remember from the summer, we picked up Briere as “a proven playoff performer”. Be happy with ‘getting to know his teammates’ , then 15 -20 goals, then tear it up in the post-season (at least I will be).

    Some interesting comments on the Flyers and how watching a player every game makes you very aware of his shortfalls. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence, doesn’t make it better land.

    “a cannonading drive”

  70. Timo says:

    @JohnBellyFull – every time i hear that Churchill speech i think of this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVps8GWKUP4

    (Aces High)

  71. Phil C says:

    So how many coaches who were on HBO’s 24/7 have not been fired? Seems to be the kiss of death for coaches.

  72. HabinBurlington says:

    Okay for all the stats fanatics out there, here is a new site tracking players shifts.

    http://www.shiftchart.com/

    Saw the link to it at deadspin.
    http://regressing.deadspin.com/cool-interactives-help-us-figure-out-who-the-hell-was-o-1442160813/@kylenw


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