In other news …

Photo of Professor Muller by John Mahoney of The Gazette

The Canadiens development camp got into full swing in Brossard yesterday.
Oh, Boston stomped the Canucks.

Nathan Horton is out of the hospital, but he has a concussion and is done for the series, as is Aaron Rome, who gets a four-game suspension.

Max Pacioretty Tweets: Mixed feelings on everything… just glad horton is ok and hope to see this type of consistency down the road

Pat Hickey on Randy Cunneyworth

Leblanc disappointed

Marc Antoine Godin on Danny Kristo

Fall of Rome led to Canucks collapse

Rome deserves suspension

Did the hit hand the Cup to Boston?

Three Vancouver no-shows so far in the playoffs

• Scott Burnside: Supporting cast showed up for Boston

François Gagnon Tweets a good question: Hey #Bruinsfans how can you ask for a suspension in this matter and gave Zdeno Chara an ovation for his hit on Max Pacioretty in March?

And Damien Cox: Rome could get zero games. He could get 20. They could suspend Horton for delay-of-game. I have no idea.

Video: Rome has felt the pain, courtesy of the other Pyatt:


  1. Hobie Hansen says:

    It is pretty amazing that Rome is gone for the finals and Chara walked away with nothing after delivering that hit against Pacioretty.

    What is worse, smashing a guy’s face off a metal pole and breaking his neck or putting your shoulder down at the blue line and nailing a forward?

    Aren’t defensemen supposed to hit players at the blue line?
    Both hits were a tad late but it wasn’t long ago that we’d be calling the hit by Rome legendary playoff material. Maybe if his name was Scott Stevens the hit on Horton would have been ok.

    So if it now illegal to hit a player 1 second after he dishes the puck off at the blue line should it not be illegal to ram someone’s head into a metal pole a couple seconds after he touches or never touches the puck?

    Before the NHL season stats next season there has to be a black and white rule that is shown to all the players, coaches and us the fans.

    As we all know, the players are all superfast, agile and bigger than ever before. If the NHL and their fans don’t want a player or two leaving the ice with injures each game than there has to be massive rule changes.

    In the NFL there’s players constantly injured and being carted off the field. They also have huge rosters.

    Either the NHL has to ban hitting or allow each team to carry a larger roster and have guys available to come out of the dressing room. They are never going to solve this injury problem by suspensions.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      Agreed on all counts. There is a major problem with the way things are run in the NHL and the head office only makes it more difficult and confusing for players when they constantly flip-flop on situations like this and fail to ever give a clear and concise ruling on what is and is not acceptable during a game.

  2. shootdapuck says:

    Did anyone really expect anything different?

    The same fingerprints are all over this decision as was the non-call on Chara.

    Jacobs, Colon Campbell and Murphy!

    Just goes to show who is really running the NHL and that professional competence, transparency, consistency and the intestinal fortitude to enforce the rules on a so-called “star players” have no place in that management group!

    This is an insult to hockey fans!

    … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

    Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

  3. Lafrich says:

    Wow. Someone please explain this decision to me. I am not someone who believes in favoritism normally. In fact, I usually laugh at the prospect brought up by others. But this absolutely REEKS of favoritism.

    Forget about MaxPac/Chara, which makes this decision an extreme joke, how was this hit ANY different from the 15 times per game players get drilled 1-2 seconds after releasing the puck?

    I thought it was the action that gets punished. Wow. Just wow.

  4. punkster says:

    Absurd! But certainly not surprising. The NHL officiating and hockey operations office are simply incompetent and have proven it time and again over the past few years. That incompetence breeds inconsistency and that in turn leads to confusion with the players. What’s a penalty? How far can I go before getting called? Before getting fined? Before getting suspended? These things should be clear in their minds but can only be that way if the league makes it so.

    Please Brendan, fix this.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  5. HardHabits says:

    Recommended reading. The comments here are very sensible and offer a much different discourse than what the HIO crew are suggesting.

    • punkster says:

      You may want to review them again HH. Much the same, in fact many of the same people commenting.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • geo_habsgo says:

      HH you seem to be getting more and more negative in your comments and in your approach to others commenting on this site. How are the comments on the TSN article any different? In fact, they are more ridiculous with some Bruins fans re-writing history by saying that the Chara-Max Pac incident was the result of a fight along the boards when in reality it was Chara rubbing Pax out the second he reached the boards.

      If revisionist history and comments showing zero understanding of the game are your opinion of sensible there is a problem.

      I don’t doubt that the hit was worth a suspension but the eye for an eye approach that the NHL took sets a precedent that they will not enforce and above all makes prior hits of this caliber that received no discipline completely unfair. The NHL is hypocritical to its core and if it were not for the high talent level of the players playing the game, many would have switched the channel by now.

  6. Old Bald Bird says:

    Deserved? Maybe. It just seems a trifle inappropriate at this time of year when so much has been winked at over the course of the year. It’s the inconsistency that’s a bit galling. However, if this points to a new era of sensible penalties, I guess it’s a good thing.

    The problem is that it almost always seems to work in Boston’s favour. They don’t get penalized when they should, but the other team sure does.

    — notbigbird —

  7. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Basically the NHL is to blame for this. Look at how Boston played all season and the playoffs. Look at all the dirty hits and smack talking they did and got away scott free with it. Do you think players around the NHL didn’t notice? Of course they did, just look at some of the candid comments by Thornton and others after Max Pac was brutally assaulted by Lurch. The players in the league aren’t stupid, and they saw Boston getting away with murder. Look at all the crap Horton has done. Cross checking guys in the face at the end of the game, taking runs at PK all series, running his mouth all the time and throwing stufff at fans. Eventually the players in the NHL are gonna say enough is enough of this crap start taking runs at some of these Bruins players. The league decided not to suspend any Bruin for squat all season long so now the players in the NHL will take matters into their own hands.

  8. HNS says:

    Rome should be rewarded for taking out the garbage. Now someone needs to remove Lucy’s hump.

  9. Bullsmith says:

    Actually I’ve come to think the league is very consistent regarding discipline and the Bruins. Whatever is best for the Bruins, they do.

  10. nick says:

    Ok so when Pacioretty got hit… The NHL was looking at the action and not the injury. Chara had a clean slate (apparently…) and get off with nothing.

    Today it was said that the “Seriousness of the injury played into Rome suspension”.

    Is this really the NHL’s idea of consistency? What a slap in the face to Pacioretty.

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Well the main difference is that Patches was attempting a flying headbutt into the stanchion in an attempt to get chara suspended. Sadly, Chara couldn’t intervene quickly enough, despite the model citizen (who has never ever been in trouble before) doing everything he possibly could to stop Max from such a self destructive act.

  11. sane hockey fan says:

    Gotta love hab fans. They might not be the best fans in the world but they are the best at one thing…dwelling in the past!

  12. christophor says:

    To change the topic (or redirect the rage):

    How about the Habs trade Desharnais (RFA) or Pouliot (RFA) and maybe a conditional later round pick to the Pens for the rights to Dupuis and Talbot (both UFAs)?

    If the pick is needed (and I assume it willnot be if Pouliot is sent over), it would be on these conditions: if one of the two signs with the Habs, it’s a 5th rounder, if both sign, a 4th rounder.

    I prefer DD goes the other way, though I like the guy, since Pouliot might just kick it into gear one of these days. We know he can.

    Talbot could probably be gotten for 1-1.5 mill. for a couple of years and Dupuis for 2.5-3 mill. for 3ish years.

    Assuming both sign, the bottom 6 can be like this:
    Pouliot – Eller – Dupuis
    Darche – Talbot – White/Moen

    Enqvuist centers the 4th line and Talbot moves up to the 3rd if Eller misses the first couple of weeks. Also, Talbot takes some of Plek’s PK time and is occasionally matched against better opposition.

    Edit: And Dupuis, who’s been scoring just under 20 goals a season, is a bottom 6 guy who might actually be able to step into a top 6 role for a short while come injuries (something Darche and Moen can’t do)

    Double Edit: And both have Stanley Cup rings.

    • shiram says:

      Heard rumours Talbot is interested in MTL, but then again, most Québecois are when there contracts are up, as a way to negotiate for more.

    • scrowe21 says:

      Id like Palushaj to get a chance / start the season in Montreal. I have a feeling PG is going to overpay Talbot..

      • christophor says:

        Darche is slotted in there and Palushaj will get one of the first (if not the first) callups, especially if there’s an injury on the wing, which is almost bound to happen.

        Edit: Way to edit after I reply.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      In respect to our lower than average height, White and Moen’s grit are must have. So they both stay in the line up IMO.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      Definitly not. I want to keep DD unless something really works out for us in terms of trade offers. While I’m in favor of trading pouliot’s rights in some package to get a potential 1st line winger (or rights to a potential 1st line winger) so that AK can play on the 3rd with Eller, neither Dupuis nor talbot are that player.

      As another poster said, I’d rather give Palushaj a shot on the 3rd than give the spot to Dupuis. Also, I think he’ll be one of the few FA’s that Pitt will resign.

      • scrowe21 says:

        I like DD, but with Gomez, Pleks, Eller locking the top 3 center spot, and prospects Engvist and Leblanc looking to make the team this year or next..I just don’t see him staying around. Its gunna be interesting to see what they do with Eller/Leblanc when Louis is ready for the NHL. Leblanc as a third line winger maybe? Or do they keep him at center as well?

        • jmsheehy19 says:

          I think Gomez will be gone after this year, and Leblanc will likely get a shot then or the following year. So with Pleky and Eller at center, I think one of Leblanc or DD will be moved to the wing.

          I actually think DD will be moved to Eller’s wing this year, with one of Darche/White/Palushaj/AK/etc. filling out the line. DD needs to be on a line that can help produce to be valuable, and that won’t happen on the 4th line with Moen. Also with likely one of White/Engqvist/Halpern in the 4th line center role, he’s not needed.

          As you said, maybe there’s not room for him, but I certainly don’t want to move him for older players with less offensive upside.

          PS thanks for the article on Tinordi further up the page.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I like Talbot, but not so sure about Dupuis who is 32, and is really more of a 15 goals – 35 points kind of guy.

      Wouldn’t trade for the rights as I don’t think there is a huge demand for either player.

  13. Say Ash says:

    Is Dr. Recchi cool with Horton going to a movie?

  14. HardHabits says:

    Nice double standard. NHL disciplinarians. Nope. HIO commentators.

    One Law for the Bear & Canucks is Oppression. – William Skate

  15. secretdragonfly says:

    I’m back to not being able to reply to posts again – advice?

  16. Chuck says:

    Rome was penalized with a 5-minute interference call, tossed out of the game, and suspended four games for what the league described as a late hit on Horton that caused an injury. Now substitute the names ‘Rome’ and “Horton” with ‘Chara’ and ‘Pacioretty’ and you see just how hypocritical the league can be when handing out their discipline.

  17. Chuck says:

    Gotta love the drama queens on NESN. They always make for some interesting reading:

    “In all my years of watching hockey I think the only thing I have seen as shocking as that hit was when Malarchuck took a skate to the throat and clipped his jugular…It was seriously disturbing the way he was laying there with his arm in the air and his eyes open..get well Horton…I hope he can play again…”

    • pmaraw says:

      lol really eh? it was disturbing that he could open his eyes and move his arms? those are good signs, not bad. that person probably has a poster of the chara face ram on max pac hanging over their bed.

  18. Greg says:

    Nothing on Markov yet?

  19. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    The NHL has two sets of rules. One set for Boston players and another set for the rest of NHL.

  20. Psycho29 says:

    Some thoughts:
    The big discussion is the Rome hit (which at first glance I LOVED, and then when Horton was carried off I wished it would have been Marchand), but what about Lucic’s gloved punch to the Burrow’s head? I guess in the new NHL that is not considered “targetting an opponent’s head????

    I hate the Bruins more than I hate the Flyers or the Leafs, but from what I saw last night, the Bruins are coming back to win the Cup. I saw a Canucks team that was intimidated, and somewhat scared last night. And I think Boston knows what they have to keep doing.
    I really, really hope I’m wrong.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      I really, really hope you’re wrong, too. Four games is an absolute joke. I was holding my nose and rooting for Vancouver just because of Boston but now I’ll be cheering for them wholeheartedly.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      I really, really hope you’re wrong, too. Four games is an absolute joke – I’ve been holding my nose and rooting for Vancouver because they’re playing Boston but going forward I’ll be cheering for the ‘nucks wholeheartedly.

    • G-Man says:

      You will not intimidate the Nucks with that bs. They gave back as goood as they received but were on the wrong end of the score because Thomas had a miracle floppy night while Luongo just plain sucked.

  21. TomNickle says:

    Funny thing this NHL.

  22. TomNickle says:

    Try not to be upset people. Instead, laugh at how pathetic it is that the Bruins have needed this much help from Father Campbell and his cronies to get this far.

    That alternatives are bitching and chewing about the obvious favourtism or giving up the NHL.

  23. RGM says:

    NHL’s statement

    Vancouver Canucks defenseman Aaron Rome has been suspended for four games for delivering a late hit to Boston Bruins forward Nathan Horton in Game Three of the Stanley Cup Final, the National Hockey League announced today.

    “Two factors were considered in reaching this decision,” said NHL Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy. “The hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury.”

    Rome was assessed a five-minute major penalty for interference and game misconduct at 5:07 of the first period.

    Rome will miss the remainder of the Stanley Cup Final series. In the event that the Final ends before Game 7, the suspension will carry over to the start of the 2011-12 regular season.
    Hmmm where was this particular set of standards on March 9th?
    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • kirkiswork says:

      It’s seems Boston is still favored when it comes to disciplinary issues.
      Campbell lingers on.
      Hopefully discipline gets a fresh start next year and is more consistent.

    • NCRhabsfan says:

      The NHL has absolutely no credibility left on this issue. How was this worse than the Chara hit? How was that more of a “hockey play” than this? In Chara’s case, the hit came later than Rome’s hit, it came in a completely benign situation, was completely unnecessary and Chara didn’t just hit someone away from the play, he hit him into a stanchion.

      Mike Murphy is the same Colin Campbell stooge that ruled in that case, isn’t he? Another firmly in the Bruins pocket guy! How does the guy live with himself? I don’t care that Rome got suspended, he probably deserves it, but how can Murphy look himself in the mirror after delivering such a gross and obvious double standard. The guy who should be suspended, forever, is Mike Murphy for making a travesty of the sport.

    • Viruk42 says:

      So they’re suspending based on the injury, not the hit. This can be seen from that statement, but also the fact that if Horton had kept his head up, he likely wouldn’t have been hurt.

      So why didn’t they do that with McGinn’s hit on Rome, or Chara’s hit on Pacioretty, or any number of other hits? The NHL has no consistency with their disciplinary decisions, and it’s really sad. Having just finished reading The Fix, by Declan Hill, I say match fixing a possibility.

  24. G-Man says:

    The fix is in. 4 bleeping games? Utter and complete bs! Exactly enough games to keep Rome from playing again. What a garbage league.

  25. TomNickle says:

    Well NHL, 4 games eh. Hope this standard applies to everyone going forward. It was open ice where no part of the rink was used as a weapon, on a player admiring his pass.

    Now, when Ovechkin does the same thing to Stamkos, it better be held to this standard.

    And this couldn’t have been based on intent to injure, late, open ice check where the player lead with the shoulder and connected with the head.

    The NHL gets a pass if there is a new mandate on hits to the head, dangerous checks, etc. But if Lucic cross-checks somebody in the face who can’t see it coming and gets nothing….AGAIN, I’m really hoping that somebody important pulls all of their money out of the NHL pool.

  26. Malreg says:

    And the NHL contradicts it’s self again:

    “Two factors were considered in reaching this decision,” said NHL
    Senior Vice President of Hockey Operations Mike Murphy. “The hit by Rome
    was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered
    after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury.”

    Change Rome for Chara and Horton for Pacioretty and you have the exact same description, word for word, that could have been used to suspend Chara. Of course, what does that matter?

    • TomNickle says:

      And yet he ruled on the Chara/Pacioretty hit. Congrats to the NHL for giving the finger to every person who’s emotionally invested in 29 teams in the NHL that aren’t named the Bruins.

    • Mullie01 says:

      I was just going to post the same quote. All it takes is a late hit and a significant injury? Wow, and you can’t blame that on Colin as Murphy made the call on Chara too (apparently). What a joke of a league.

      I think the hit was suspendable, and I would be fine with 4 games if the same standard was applied to Chara (given the playoff math, that would be,what, 10 games?).

      Let’s hope they seriously change things with Shanahan next year.

      • Malreg says:

        Well, a stanley cup final game is equal to about 4-5 regular season games according to some people.

        So when this happens next season, and it will happen again, the player will be suspended 20 games?

  27. bwoar says:

    I don’t wanna get into 17 threads. Just wanna say:

    HH is right. Small team, small results. Wonderful that we can all agree that goonery isn’t what we mean by toughness, but those of you hoping for a contender can hit snooze for a few more years. The players we have are good, the Pleks-Cammy-Gio etc. skill players are just fine, but without 3 more Paciorettys they’re dogmeat in April.

    Bluster on all you wish about taking Boston to game 7. A lot like last year with Halak. Whine on about injuries, but they’re a factor in the game of hockey and *winners* regularly overcome ‘insurmountable’ obstacles or unfair circumstances.

    The team was left to swing too far towards the ‘speed kills’ philosophy and we’re paying for it by failing to reach a new level. It’s exactly true; we need Claude Lemieux, Mike Keane, Shane Corson types to balance Gionta, Desharnais & Cammalleri.

    I like some of the role players we have. Moen isn’t so bad as a 4th liner, and White is a keeper. Darche is close to the right kind of player but not quite. Still worthwhile in my books. Pouliot is the textbook player to avoid: size but no brain nor willingness to sacrifice.

    Recalling AK-Eller-White as a 3rd line pretty much explains what I’d like to see up and down the lineup. Scoring winger, playmaking center, tough-as-nails winger who can hustle.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Boston would have overcome Chara being injured for 75 games this season and no playoff appearances? There’s a laugher. Your elite players go out, your chances of real contention are toast, hence why the Pens despite a valiant grinding effort, had a 1st-round exit.

      We need more grit of course, but Boston is not exactly the 90s Red Wings. Chara being out would have sunk their season. MTL losing Markov cost them a lot, let along Gorges, two 20+ minutes Ds who can take on the load and bear it.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        Boston wouldn’t have made the playoffs without the Giraffe going 30 minutes/night.

      • bwoar says:

        I can’t argue Chara that is their keystone. Had Kaberle not plopped a turkey he might’ve given the Bruins a fighting chance. Both are moot points.

        Picking up Wisniewski and Sopel offset the D injuries. It’s a little too happy to turn the Habs into a ‘real contender’ based on that difference. Heck, maybe if Chara goes down Boston gets to Garth Snow first.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’m sorry but from top to bottom…we’re missing the element of size-toughness-nastiness.
      That’s all I can say. Players like Darche and Halpern are useful in certain situations but players like them on other teams are also a couple inches taller, 10-20 lbs heavier and if they see a situation where a fight is warranted they bite the bullet and do something.
      The fighting comes last but i think it does play a role in the overall team mentality. I want the Habs to win in the scoring hitting and fighting department. I don’t like heading into Boston, Philadelphia, Dallas and many other teams, knowing that there’s a good chance we’ll lose on the scoreboard, get the crap kicked out of us and probably lose a player or two to injury.
      It isn’t just a coincidence that every hockey analyst on television and in the paper has said the reason Montreal has lost is because they were the smaller of the two teams.
      We all like to play analyst and we do know our hockey but I think we sometimes forget that the majority the reports on television come from ex-NHLers or current NHLers that all say Montreal is not big and tough enough…how can any of us argue with them?
      If it were one or two people saying it maybe but every single reporter/analyst in the world says the same thing.

  28. habsfan0 says:

    Rome suspended 4 games.

    • shiram says:

      “Two factors were considered in reaching this decision,” said NHL senior vice president of hockey operations Mike Murphy. “The hit by Rome was clearly beyond what is acceptable in terms of how late it was delivered after Horton had released the puck and it caused a significant injury.”

      And they cite his precendent indiscipline as well.

      • habsfan0 says:

        NHL disciplinarian Mike Murphy still getting his orders from Collie Campbell. If it was a Bruin who was the suspension..deemed a “hockey play”. Pacioretty was nowhere near puck when Chara slammed him into stanchion.

      • Chuck says:

        So they’re citing lateness of the hit and an injury (intentional or not) as the basis for a suspension?

        I don’t need to replay the Pacioretty hit for everyone to realize just how hypocritical their statement is, do I?

  29. Fansincebirth says:

    Rome was given 4 games….joke of a league strikes again

    • Chuck says:

      It’s not a rumour. And we could probably dig up dozens of hits from this season that were worse than what Horton received. The NHL really needs to get more consistent in how they hand out suspensions.

      If anything, this continues to give the Bruins even less reason to complain about how the rules are enforced in the league…

      • RGM says:

        They lost any sense of credibility (Bruins fans and credibility…there’s two things that don’t go together eh?) after the Chara hit.

        During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  30. Hobie Hansen says:

    Most of Montreal’s role players are small and/or timid as well. White and Moen are good 3rd or 4th liners and that’s it.

    Darche, Pyatt, Halpern, Desharnais and even Pouliot have something to offer but unfortunately they’re not willing or in some cases able pay the price and go to war along the boards and in the corners all night long.

    Take a look back at successful Canadiens teams of the past with guys like Keane, McPhee and Skrudland on their checking lines. That’s what we need.

    We need a couple of gritty offensive players like Corson, Muller or even Claude Lemieux on the top two lines as well. Kostitsyn is not that type of player.

    Anybody who thinks the Habs are going to win by trying to ice four scoring lines are nuts. It has never been done in the history of hockey and we aren’t going to be the first team to do it.

    a good mixture of skill and toughness wins cups and that’s it.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Darche is a perfectly acceptable forward to use, remember the Halpern/Darche/Pouliot line earlier this season? The issue is he’s just not up to playing the top minutes when he’s used as a fill-in for injury replacement (which reminds us Habs need more scoring as well) and can only really be effective when he’s playing against weaker competition.

      Issue is our roleplayers got played outside of their effective roles. If Palushaj adds strength, he gives a scoring element to our Bottom-6 as well for next year. Schultz, Conboy are building up in HAM as potential checking forwards who can drop them as necessary.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • issie74 says:

      4 games to Rome. LOL


    • Dwayne33 says:

      wow Aaron Rome got a 4 game suspension

    • Ton says:

      I agree in light of the new formula bruins have made fashionable again> winning through intimidation. same thing happen in the 70’s when montreal has to revamped their team with more toughness. ie. chawtraw, etc. were not far, its basically rebuilding the 3rd and 4th lines and getting a new attitude. a new culture. i don’t know if that will come with martin. it would with muller. for example. white gets back at Boychuk for kneeing Suban. gets the better of the fight and than pats him on the back, meaning good fight> bruins would never do this, they would spit at you instead, we do need to get meaner and more intimadating.

  31. habs-hampton says:

    This is quite funny from the Boston rag:

    “Seidenberg was down and Kesler continued to fire punches, breaking from tradition.”

    I thought this IS the Boston tradition, fighters fighting non -fighters and keep clubbing them after they’re down.

  32. Hobie Hansen says:

    As usual, the size and grit topic is dominating the site…
    My one comment on it today, hopefully one, is this:
    Montreal has to get bigger and tougher no matter what. And tougher does not mean punching the living daylights out of someone.
    Tougher means going into the corner and fighting for the puck when you know you may take a pounding for it. Tougher means knocking Lucic, Hartnell or Perry on his ass in front of your net.
    Cammalleri-Gomez-Gionta-Plekanec are well below the average size and do not like physical play.
    Their defense is also a tad undersized and not overly physical. Take away Hal Gill, the softest defenseman in the league and they’re well below average.
    How does the softest team in the NFL do each year I wonder?
    The Stanley Cup playoffs are a grueling 2 months of extreme physical play.
    Yes Montreal was 1 shot away from advancing against Boston but as years past have proved, the physical play would have continued for another 3 rounds. If anybody thinks the Habs and their tiny team could have knocked out three more teams that are much larger and stronger than they are, they need to get their head examined.
    Montreal has the skill, Montreal has the goaltending but Montreal does not have the size, toughness and durability to go four rounds. End of story for Pete sakes!

    • HardHabits says:

      HH agrees with HH, go figure. You are right my friend, very, very right. The bulk of posters here wouldn’t know a hockey team unless it skated a figure 8 backwards.

      The Habs have players who are gritty. DD and Gio are gritty. But they are very small by NHL standards. So if they get confronted by an opposition player who is also gritty with 30-40 extra pounds and a few inches they are for the most part at a disadvantage. They do have an advantage in having a lower centre of gravity and in many cases being faster, for example, but that doesn’t negate the force of two objects colliding, especially if the bigger object pushes the smaller object into the boards.

      It’s less about not getting thugged by the Bruins, Flyers and soon to be Leafs. It’s about putting together a team that can sustain 4 rounds of play-off hockey and win the last game.

      When a team has 2 forwards who are 5’7″, 1 who is 5’9″ and 4 who are 5’11” they give up a lot of reach, a lot of height and a lot of weight per shift. It adds up over the course of the season becoming even more accentuated in the play-offs.

      IMO The Habs need to replace players like DD, Pyatt and Halpern with bigger players.

      If given a choice between Wisniewski and Markov, part of me leans to the Wiz because although 5’11″, he’s still close to 210 lbs and brings a physical dimension to the game that was never a part of Markov’s. The ideal would be to sign both of them. If so they’d still need one more behemoth that isn’t the Friendly Giant.

      It’s about balance. Any team in this league can use players like Gio, Cammy and Plex. Those type of players however need to be insulated by bigger bodies and nastier players who will do the heavy lifting, deliver the hits, wear down the opponent’s defense corps, do some crashing and banging, and keep the opposition forwards to the outside. That way these smaller and speedier skilled players can do some damage on the scoreboard.

      I don’t want to see the Habs do more fighting. I want to see them do more scoring.

      • TomNickle says:

        Ha, you’re an authority on how to build an NHL team are ya?

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          of course he is… can’t you tell from his posts he is a hockey genius?

          Personally, I don’t know why you and Serious Fan even respond to him, considering you guys write well thought out posts that do not insult anybody, and so many of his posts are condescending and insulting.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I understand that HardHabits talks about size and grit on 24/7 basis and it frustrates people.
            However, when i see people respond to him that are wrong I do have to say something, even if he goes overboard with the size and grit topic…

          • TomNickle says:

            Now you’re just talking crazy. While I appreciate the compliment. I do have a nasty habit of insulting people on a fairly regular basis. I can at least say that logic comes into the equation however.

          • TomNickle says:

            @Hobie. I don’t think you will find many who disagree with you on the team need of more size in the lineup. There are differing views on what kind of size is needed however. Whether it be to fight, be a skilled player who’s difficult to move or a player who can run a player like Marchand through the boards. If I’ve got a choice between Trevor Gillies and Eric Tangradi, it’ll be Tangradi every time. Gillies doesn’t make my team better, Tangradi does.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I would have to completely agree with him

      • HabsFan2 says:

        So in essence, you’re now saying, truculence trumps tanking.

        That scenario worked out well for Burke and the laffs, right?!
        R.I.P. – K.C. – Jan.28, 1993 – May 19, 2011

      • shiram says:

        I’ll grant you that adding size could help the Habs, conceding that such a player with size needs to bring some skills as well.
        Jeff Halpern (6′ 203 pound btw)

        My issue is that having that big player playing on the fourth line won’t have much impact unless he plays alot, and we already have Moen in that kind of role.

        If we want to have that player create an impact he needs at least a 3rd line role, and it would be better in the top 6, but at that point it is quite hard to fit in someone new.
        Gio, Cammy, Pleky, Gomez are pretty much set, and I fully expect MaxPac to be back in the top 6 as well.
        Akost actually brings a physical element, and can play on the top 6 or third line.

        So it’s not so easy to fit in a new big guy.

      • issie74 says:

        Stan Jonathan 5’8 175.


      • punkster says:

        Oh FFS…most people, likely all here, agree that more size is required or grit or whatever the heck you want to call it. However, to suggest…”The bulk of posters here wouldn’t know a hockey team unless it skated a figure 8 backwards…”? And last season the bulk of posters didn’t understand that tanking was required. You change horses in mid stream more than Tower of Power. At least they don’t insult “the bulk of posters here…”.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • HardHabits says:

          At least I can skate a figure 8 backwards, or should I say a figure H. It’s called being able to turn on a dime. I tend to tire out my horses. You know. Beat them until they’re dead and continue beating them until they’re glue. The problem with you punkster is you can’t handle the truth. And you have as much sense of humour as a curmudgeon these days.

          Tanking is not off the books as an option either. Tanking is not about throwing the season. It’s about realizing that teams are built via the draft and not free agency. Tanking is also a symbol I used because it’s more enduring and less endearing than the idea that a team can finish middle of the pack for eternity and call itself the greatest hockey club ever let alone suggest to it’s fan year in and year out that this year it’s going to contend for the Stanley Cup.

          The Habs have had one top 10 finish since the Conference format was introduced and that team was blown up. No team that wasn’t top 10 has won a Cup since the Conference format was introduced. You do the math.

          • punkster says:

            The problem with you HH…the problem with you…is that you say the problem with you so often that you actually believe you have no problems of your own. 😉

            Hey, chill and listen to the Tower dude. It’s about the music, not the message. And don’t be so offended when people simply disagree. You don’t own the rights to all the right answers.

            Now show me something beautiful:

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • RetroMikey says:

      So true, so true!
      Bigger is better I say!

      “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      good post Hobie, I agree that we need bigger and more durbale horses to get through all 4 rounds.

      Usual garbage condescending post by Hard Habits.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You will not find one reasonable voice around here that disagrees MTL could use some bigger bodies to move forward as a team. As I have so often mentioned around here, the team’s drafting strategy has them building up in that area very well, in addition to their free-agent signings of undrafted players.

      Time to stop calling us all blind followers and believers that 12 Giontas can carry us to the Cup Hobie, and HardHabits. We’re aware we need more of the Paciorettys and such, but we don’t find it necessary to complain day after day about the issue when we don’t even know what the 11-12 Habs will look like and knowing the farm is basically being built on the idea of sized players at all positions.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  33. SeriousFan09 says:

    TSR profiles a favourite of mine, RW Nicklas Jensen of the Oshawa Generals.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • TheMock780 says:

      I’ve red that Jensen might be the biggest boom or bust prospect in the draft. Huge upside but might be an absolute dog because a lack of strength on the puck and at times a lack of grit.

      I’m not sure I wouldn’t rather go with Brandon Saad even with the warts in his game (ie. His skating and drive to the net). I just have more faith that Saad can improve on his negatives then Jensen cause Saad by all accounts showed more grit, especially in the corners and along the boards

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Jensen’s still just 18, that’s plenty of time to add muscle to his frame and Future Considerations notes that while he’s not been a real PF-type this season, this was his first year on NA ice and made good strides as the year went on.

        Not a fan of Saad, he’s gotten called consistently inconsistent if not moreso than Jensen and he’s played his whole career in the NA system, not just half a year.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • DearyLeary says:

          Well, I would retort with a guy like A Kostitsyn. Built like a fridge and is still incredibly soft on the puck.

          I want Philips. Every time he touched the puck in the Mem Cup I was riveted. Creative, and gritty.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Kostitsyn’s got issues for reasons different than Jensen (And Andrei K had more hits this season than some good Canadian PFs) and their weaknesses have nothing to do with each other.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • G-Man says:

            140 regular season hits and AK is soft? Ok.

          • TomNickle says:

            He turned the puck over several times in the third period to avoid being taken out physically. I like Phillips, but I strongly disagree with your analysis. Several cases in the Final alone where he coughed up the puck to avoid physical contact.

        • TheMock780 says:

          I think people underestimate the jump from the USHL to the CHL leagues for some of these kids. The USHL is second rate compared to the CHL. We’ll see how Saad does this year, same with Tinordi

  34. habs-hampton says:

    This is from the Boston Globe (quite funny):

    “Seidenberg was down and Kesler continued to fire punches, breaking from tradition.”

    Exactly which tradition are they talking about? From what I saw in Boston this season, that IS the tradition.

  35. Malreg says:

    I will say this as unbiasedly(is that even a word?) as possible, but Rome should not be suspended due to precedent.

    The only rule broken in that play was Interference. Rome received a 5 minute Interference penalty, along with a game misconduct.

    When the NHL did not suspend Chara, who also had a 5 minute game misconduct for interference, they set the precedent.

    It was a perfectly clean hit that was half a second late. He didn’t leave his feet, he didn’t throw an elbow, he didn’t target the head(which isn’t even a rule anyways), and it wasn’t from the blindside, so Rule 48 does not apply.

    The game misconduct was warranted, since it was an infraction that led to an injury, but that should be it. If they would have suspended Chara, then they could have suspended Rome.

    • RGM says:

      I once thought as you do. But the NHL doesn’t use precedents. Every decision is made in a vacuum with no reference to previous suspensions / non-suspensions for similar plays. Read this:

      “”And so I think he has to be responsible in how he takes a [Brian] Campbell in, and what kind of position the other player’s in. And he had moved the puck already, Campbell. Look, if there’s no injury on the play, we probably, we don’t do anything, but that’s part of the supplemental discipline process. If you cause a player to be injured, then you have to be responsible for the play that you’re involved in, if there’s any carelessness or recklessness in it.”

      That was the League’s statement when they suspended Alex Ovechkin in March 2010 for a dangerous hit from behind on Brian Campbell. That statement had absolutely no bearing on what happened when Chara put Pacioretty into the stanchion.

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  36. Chuck says:

    Time to start measuring the nets behind Thomas in Boston. After the Montreal series, he’s been pretty much lights-out at home, and merely good on the road.

  37. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’ll just go ahead and say this now to get it out of the way.

    It’s a good thing Nathan Horton plays for such a tough team like the Boston Bruins, otherwise after that hit Rome gave out, he may have been tempted to grab him and start punching him while he was down on the ice but fortunately the Big Bad Bruins intimidated him out of it.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HardHabits says:

      They responded the way they should have. Not by delivering a pounding on Rome or another player. That’s the stupid anti-size and anti-grit argument. “We don’t need goons. Nobody stopped Savard from getting hit.”

      No. The Bruins responded by creaming the ‘Nucks 8-1.

      The Habs would have turtled and handed the Bruins the game on a silver platter.

      That’s what I mean by size and grit and physical play. Injuries will happen. Horton had his head down. His fault even though Rome hit him late and deserved the penalty.

      The Canucks woke up the bear. The hit was a mistake and could very well swing this thing in Boston’s favour. By contrast the hit on Pacioretty just brought out into the open just how not physical the Habs are.

      The Habs are not a play-off team. They are a middle of the pack regular season team. Very far. Very, very far from being elite in the NHL.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Can that proven by a scientific experiment that can be repeated and proved? No. Bruins hammered the Habs on the scoreboard once this season (8-6 is not hammering) but when it came to the playoffs, it was tooth and nail with Boston having the advantage of a healthy lineup. Canadiens came at them and didn’t relent, even down 2-0 and 3-2 at various points in Game 7.

        The game also turned into an 8-1 shellacking because Ryan Kesler played a game very similar to the one Scott Gomez played in February that led to the 8-6 score as his line opened up the first four goals of the game for Boston.

        Habs were one bounce from knocking off these Bruins out of the playoffs. They’ve got playoff credentials and mettle but their depth was too badly taxed and that was the series. It’s hard to say MTL is not a playoff team when we’ve never seen the whole crew in action.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HardHabits says:

          Only at HIO do people think that a team that finishes year in and year out between 11th and 20th over-all and squeaks into the play-offs is going to go all the way.

          BTW. Both Bruins and Canucks had as many if not more injured players as the Habs. No excuses. The Habs are middle of the pack and not a Cup contender.

          • Chuck says:

            I don’t see anywhere in SF09’s post that he said that the Habs were going to go all the way.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            HH, I never said MTL was going to go all the way but they are more than capable of making a bloody hard fight of it with anyone they meet in the playoffs. I have not once inferred the Habs were en route to the SCFs this season, I have constantly projected the real window for the team doesn’t open up realistically until 13-14.

            Boston was missing their elite defencemen Zdeno Chara and their best defensive defencemen as well for all and most of the season? That’s news to me, was their top power forward out of action as well? I must have missed the news report on that. Canucks are a deeper team and we know that but come on, Boston was not suffering anything like the losses in terms of key players that MTL did.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        The Habs would have turtled? You’re mad. The season series including playoffs was dead even.

        And never mind the fact that the Habs creamed the Bruins in the game where Pacioretty was given a potential career ending injury.

        • HardHabits says:

          Dude. Wake up a bit. Love the Habs all you want but you’re blinded by your love it seems.

          The Bruins advanced, not Montreal. There is no even. Boston won. Montreal lost. Boston 1 – Montreal 0.

          Even if Montreal won do you honestly think they’d have the horses to go 4 rounds? If you say yes you’re either dishonest or deluded.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            They wouldn’t have made the Cup Finals IMO, but let’s not pretend Boston completely dominated us. It was a razor-thin victory that almost went against them several times and they had the advantage of a healthier roster for the entire year. Their elite status lives and dies on the playing ability of Chara.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Chuck says:

            Every year, only TWO teams go four rounds. By your logic, the playoffs should only include the two teams that would ‘probably’ advance to the final.

          • TomNickle says:

            If I’ve offended you by calling you mad I apologize, but one goal separating two teams and saying that the losing team would turtle in the event of a hit like Horton received last night being received on the Hab’s end is mad. The Habs won 5-1 in the game Pacioretty was injured in. That’s not turtling HH. I’m sorry if you have this dim, depressing opinion that the Habs are smurf losers who can’t get on rides at theme parks but if you do you’re dishonest and deluded. One goal separated these two teams, that’s a fact. And you’re in no better of a position to speculate about Montreal’s potential playoff failure beyond the Bruins series than people speculating about their potential success beyond that same series. When the Habs/Bruins series was going on, my best friend, who is a Bruins fan and I were discussing the potential for each team and we agreed that the winner of the series would go to the finals. I’m not going to go through all of the reasons that we arrived at that conclusion other than to say that the East is weak.

            If you really think the Habs are out-muscled, outclassed, out-skilled, out-coached, out-gritted and on and on by the Bruins. You aren’t watching the games. One goal HH. One goal.

      • Willy says:

        Do you even watch the games or just imagine what you’d like to see happen? After the Patch hit the Habs “creamed” your big bad Bruins 5-1 didn’t they? Maybe i imagined that(depsite being there). Come on man, we all understand your size and grit schtick, so please just stop.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The toughness people are looking for on our team is not the toughness where someone beats the tar out of another player. That’s not to say if I had a choice between two players with the exact same skill level, I wouldn’t choose the one with the better fighting skills.
      There’s no disputing the Bruins and Canucks are where they are today because they both have a great mixture of size, skill and toughness. Montreal had one of the three and that’s why they’re golfing…

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Actually, I’ve heard that moronic rant posted on here, repeated on Twitter and used on radio to say how if we had more toughness, nothing bad would have happened to our guys all season.

        And define toughness, is it tough when you assault Tom Pyatt or Jaro Spacek? Or are you tough when you shake off a Dislocated shoulder and play two more playoff games like Lars Eller? When did Patches flinch this season in pursuit of a scoring opportunity? MTL has team toughness, they just need some bigger bodies to counterbalance their smaller skill players.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HardHabits says:

          Eller and Patches are tough. Spacek isn’t. Pyatt is smallish.

          Keep players like Eller and Patches and replace players like Spacek and Pyatt.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            There are guys on all teams that shouldn’t get stuck fighting HH. Even Cup squads, anyone really look foward to Brent Sopel scrapping in the 2010 season on CHI, or Pascal Dupuis on PIT?

            Those fights occured because Boston has the mentality of a street gang.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

        • HardHabits says:

          If Montreal had toughness they would have been a better team. Nobody says that players wouldn’t get injured. You are the one who connects those dots. Nobody but you.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I don’t make this junk up b/c I’m bored HH, I read those opinions right here. I have enough Hockey arguments going on without having to manufacture them.

            You yourself have said multiple times that the Habs lack of ability to win enough fights in the 8-6 game meant Chara was going to kill Pacioretty as part of the continued ‘message-sending’ system the Bruins were using against MTL and if they’d won more fights, it couldn’t have possibly become a war of escalation with each time trying to do the other more harm.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        Yo HH, HH here. It must be the letters because only you and I and a handful of others here see the light. The rest have their heads buried in the sand.

  38. HardHabits says:

    The Bruins realized that they didn’t have the speed and skill to match that of the Canucks so they turned up the size and grit.

    The rest of the play-offs will be the most physical we’ve seen in a while IMO.

    Vancouver are tough enough to withstand the onslaught but they will need to turn up the speed and skill factor if they want to win this. They wont win by playing Bostons’ game. They have the size and grit to withstand the pressure Boston will exert, but they have to bend and not break.

    “I will bend like a reed in the wind” – Paul Atreides

    • TomNickle says:

      I’m sorry HH but we have differing views on grit. Players jumping with every bodycheck and taking cheap shots doesn’t constitute a gritty label in my opinion. I have a few other words to describe that style of play. But hey, more power to them. If they’ve realized that they’re bigger than the NHL they should be doing this. Why not? They get away with it.

    • kirkiswork says:

      Man Boston can dish it but can’t take it. I saw many questionable hits by the B’s last night, guys jumping before the hits, Thomas nailing a guy as he skates past the crease. Multiple hits after the whistles. This is the only way Boston can win. It’s not playing big and gritty it’s playing dirty. If that’s what the NHL wants that’s what they get.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Except that that isn’t why Boston won the game. Both teams were hitting hard.

      They won because TimTom shut the door, and then the Canucks gave up after the first 2-3 goals, and completely lost their heads after the 4th.

      The Nucks’ poor play wasn’t the result of Boston’s so-called grit.

      Unfortunately had the Nucks kept trying and lost the game say 4-2 they would be a lot better off today. That beating was epic and it will hurt them.

      If they start out well next game but Thomas stops them again, and then Boston get a couple, it will be over.

      Another point: I don’t think the Nucks are more skilled than the Bruins. Thomas is better than Loo, and the Boston forwards are as a group better than the Canucks’ forwards.

  39. CHsam says:

    Just watched that hit on Horton. Totally not acceptable. There really shouldn’t be a place for this kind of thing in the game, regardless of what jersey one wears.

  40. olegpetrov says:

    I’d like to hear Mr. Boone’s take on the hit.

    Habs fan…Nuff said

  41. Timo says:

    I am probably late to the party but I absolutely LOVED hit on Horton and that Horton did not leave the ice on his own. Screw all that politically correct BS. Was it a blind hit – absolutely? So what? I have been waiting for the retribution for Max Pac and even though it did not come from the Habs (i mean, you’d have to hit anything first) it is still sweet.

    Hope Marchand and Chara are next.

    • Fansincebirth says:

      My feeling exactly Timo…

      I watched it last night and I instantly said “Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?”

      Horton is a Neanderthal player who wouldn’t think twice about crushing a much smaller (any of our forwards) player with a hit like that or worse. Live by the sword, die by the sword….

      Step up to the plate Marchand you little turd, you’re next

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      Nice Timo… today is one of those days where you and I, are in full agreeement.

    • bwoar says:

      If the D was named Ferrence that hit was legal. Look at it: middle of the ice, Rome stands a guy up on his blueline. That’s defense.

      Unfortunately he left his feet a bit and caught Horton in the head, so now it’s a “hockey play”. Which means a minor penalty or two, but hardly merits suspension in the New NHL.

      The people complaining about it being late?? Completely off-base. Hockey’s a fast game, right? Right? /sarcasm

      • HardHabits says:

        Don’t forget. There’s a new disciplinarian. Newly instated at just the right moment so as to not *nudge*nudge*wink*wink* create a conflict of interest.

        Rome will probably get 1 game.

  42. TomNickle says:

    If Columbus is offering their first round pick I would pick up the phone and offer Wisniewski’s negotiating rights to them for their second round pick this year and a conditional mid-round selection if he signs(in a future draft).

    I’ve also compiled a short list of players who could be available by trade and are a reasonable value……

    Devon Setoguchi
    Sam Gagner
    RJ Umberger
    Jakub Voracek
    TJ Oshie
    Bryan Little

    Any interest? And for what?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      If CLB is getting ready to give away a 1st-round pick that could let them select Ryan Murphy and for once, have a real future for their PMD issue their GM should be taken out behind a toolshed with a double barrel.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        That’s kind of where I was coming from. If he’s dumb enough to trade the 8th overall pick. Let’s grease him for a 2nd and maybe a 3rd for a guy he may or may not sign.

        We need a 2nd. They need immediate help on defense.

        • shiram says:

          I don’t see much value in holding the Wiz’s right for 3 or so weeks, so I don’t see that as a much of a bargaining chip.

          Also I think PG was aware of the missing draft choice, and so went ahead and signed to players, in Nattinen and Diaz.

          • TomNickle says:

            Kaberle has messed the bed in the playoffs and Joni Pitkanen is the only ufa defenseman who is comparable to Wisniewski. I’d say his rights are a very valuable bargaining chip. San Jose, Dallas, Minnesota, Edmonton, St. Louis, Detroit, Columbus and New Jersey are all teams who need a player of his abilities, and if you include Ian White in that group of players with offensive ability from the back, that leaves three to be distributed among eight teams with the possibility that other teams will be looking for similar players.

            Wisniewski has more value as a pending ufa than you think.

          • shiram says:

            But he is a UFA, and so if we traded his rights to anyone, he could just sulk and wait out untill the 1st of July, no?? Maybe there is something I am missing…

          • TomNickle says:

            You aren’t missing anything I don’t think. Just not putting much weight in exclusive negotiating rights until July 1st. Wisniewski is going to be offered $5 million annually over a fairly long term by a handful of teams. If one of those teams wants Wisniewski and doesn’t want to get into a bidding war, they may feel that a 2nd round pick is worth acquiring his rights. It’s happened on numerous occasions.

          • shiram says:

            Well if we could get our second back, that would be nice.
            I don’t feel the Habs can offer a 5 million per long term deal to the Wiz, unless they plan to offload him before the start of the 2012 season.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          Jakub Vorachek for sure

          I know Im biased because I watched him play so many games in Halifax. He is very young, and he has that natural play makers feel for the puck that very few players have. His hands remind me of Alex Tanguay’s…. not his whole game, but his natural soft hands.

          If Columbus wants to part with that young man, and is interested in the negotiating rights for someone we are porbably going to let walk, I’d be on the phone with them today trying to work something out. He was a first rounder, so we’d may have to pony up a player like Weber or something. But if people want help for our forwards up front, Voracek can produce.

          • bwoar says:

            Not a lot of people here know Voracek but you’re bang on, I’d take him in a heartbeat from that list. Oshie too, really.

            But hard to imagine these RFAs are available. It’s kinda like if another team was thinking about trading for AK46 or Gorges. Their availability is contingent on a decent return. The only chip the Habs have are defenders, and without the UFAs on our backend signed to contracts, we have nothing to trade.

            I don’t expect any help at forward whatsoever this year, unless a team screws up royally and trades us something for nothing.

  43. SeriousFan09 says:

    With the draft less than 3 weeks away folks, what is your ideal draft day target? Player or just player type if you’re not following it closely, what do the Habs need to select in the 1st round?

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • pmaraw says:

      im just gonna say, big skilled forward

      • HardHabits says:

        I’ll post this here so it doesn’t get buried.

        A 6 foot or taller 200 pounds or more right handed centre from western Canada.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          It’s really awkward when Don Cherry hacks HH’s account.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            I can’t understand why you want another figure skater as opposed to a hockey player.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Didn’t say that did I? But this “Western Canadian Boy” who has to meet an arbitrary weight on draft day is a bit overstepping things.

            I’ve promoted Mark McNeill for a good part of the year. I also like Mark Scheifele who despite being 185 pounds, was dominant at the U18s and according to Future Considerations “Hard to knock off the puck and can carry a defender or two on his back enroute to the net despite being on the thin side.”

            Nicklas Jensen out of the OSH Generals protects the puck well and powers to the dirty areas to finish on chances. Not overly physical, but takes it and does what he has to do for his team. And besides let’s not forget, we often say we need that elite talent up front to push us onwards and upwards, Jensen or Jurco could be those players.

            – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • saskhabfan says:

            Didn’t we try that “big kid from the west” experiment during the late 80’s and most of the 90’s. Don’t recall it working out so well.

    • TomNickle says:

      A skilled left winger(or centre convert) who is difficult to move off of the puck, or will be in 5 years. There’s a pretty good group of players who fall into this category so I’m confident the Habs will grab one of them.

    • MathMan says:

      No goalies (drafting goalies is iffy business and a poor use of first-round picks; Montreal is one of very, very few teams that draft goalies well enough to sort of kind of get away with it but it’s still not wise especially when they have Price).

      Go for best player available. Preferably a skilled forward; they are more likely to be helpful in more of their RFA years than D-men. If you can draft another PK Subban, sure, go ahead, but not everyone can be PK Subban.

      The first round should be dedicated to acquiring players with skill; a lower success rate is acceptable if the potential payoff is higher, and the Habs are a great drafting team who do very well in the low runs. Don’t spend the first-round pick on a guy who projects as a grinder, even if he is a surefire NHLer. You can get grinders ultracheap on the UFA market. Skill costs.

      Do not obsess over size. Draft a good hockey player. If he’s big, so much the better, but it is not a requirement.

      And please don’t spend multiple picks on size, especially on a guy that has a ceiling as a complementary #4 (ie. Tinordi). Nothing wrong with picking a guy like that, but don’t blow an additional second to do it.

      • TomNickle says:

        If you think Tinordi’s ceiling is a #4 defenseman you’re dreaming. The skating ability he brings with his size and demonstrated ability to improve gives him a Pronger or Chara level ceiling, more likely a #4 defenseman floor.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I wouldn’t say Tinordi is a future Chara or Pronger, he doesn’t have the offensive upside. I’d compare him more to say, Robyn Regehr but with size to spare.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Chara’s first decade in North America saw him score no more than 25 points in a season. Pronger was always an excellent puck mover but contributed a lot of points mainly because the puck was almost never in his end while he was on the ice.

            I’d say that Tinordi has plenty of room for growth offensively and certainly doesn’t blow anyone away with skill in that area. He is taking steps to improve significantly in that area however and I wouldn’t be quick to write off the possibility that he can become a well rounded defenseman in addition to his size and physical presence.

        • MathMan says:

          To the best of my knowledge, Tinordi has weak puck and passing skills. This is the #2 most critical ability a defenseman can have, with #1 being positional ability. I don’t care what else he brings to the table; that factor alone limits his ceiling to being a complementary player and a #4 and that is the key difference that will prevent him from becoming Chris Pronger. He might become good enough to play the tough minutes, so long as he has a better D-man babysitting him and providing the pairing with the skills he lacks. Rather like Markov carrying Komisarek or Subban carrying Gill.

          I’m sorry, but Tinordi is missing crucial skills to go above that, and that’s if his position game is good. Size and “toughness” are too often mistaken for defense. He is just not the kind of player I want to spend a first and a second on.

          If he develops puck skills, all bets are off, but to my knowledge that does not appear to be in the cards.

          • TomNickle says:

            Tinordi has excellent passing ability. Don’t know where you’re reading that he doesn’t, but it’s false.

          • MathMan says:

            Please point me to an actual scouting report that indicates he has “excellent” passing ability. What I’ve seen ranges from “lacks the skills to be a two-way defender” to one instance “capable of making the first pass” (which should really be a minimum and is a far cry from ‘excellence’).

          • TomNickle says:

            Dale Hunter was quoted as saying that they pursued Tinordi aggressively because they wanted a defenseman who could move the puck and join the rush in addition to bringing a strong physical presence. I’m still looking for the article.

            Excellent may have been an exaggeration, but you’re under selling his offensive upside big time. In addition to at the very least making a good first pass he has a cannon for a shot……much like Chara and skates very well.

          • MathMan says:

            Please do, but I’m not sure I’m going to trust a coach pimping his own player. Besides, given Tinordi’s results with the Knights, I’m concerned that Hunter may have evaluated his skills correctly.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        I think a skilled forward is the best set of choices in the range MTL will be selecting, none of the Ds in that area are knocking me off my chair with potential.

        Going for purely High-skill, choices are Nicklas Jensen or Tomas Jurco IMO with the edge to Jensen as he’s got a more complete game.

        – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

    • DearyLeary says:

      Zach Philips.

    • G-Man says:

      Jean Beliveau II. That’s about it.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      A future superstar please.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      A D-guy from Minnesota would be just about perfect.

      — formerly notbigbird —

    • Sharks9 says:

      Mark Scheifele for sure. Doubt he’ll still be available but I hope he is!

      25 before 14

    • TheMock780 says:

      If Mark McNeill isn’t magically available at #17 or Mark Scheifele, trade back in the first round to accumulate a second rounder or two and take a slider like a David Musil, Brandon Saad, Stefan Noesen, Boone Jenner, or Ty Rattie.

      Just, for the love of god, no more USHL players. I’m sorry, but the USHL is a second rate league compared to the CHL leagues and it produces complementary players, not stars (for the most part)

  44. Grabbed The Cup says:

    Well I got my sarcastic laugh of the day in… reading the story “Did the hit hand the Cup to Boston?” while relating bruin player reaction to the Rome hit the laughably biased writer wrote “Obviously, it’s something we are trying to get rid of,’’ “said the ever-even-tempered Zdeno Chara.“ Even tempered!? is there another Big z I don’t know about, perhaps an anti evil twin?

    You leave me little notes on my pillow. Told you 158 times I can’t stand little notes on my pillow. “We’re all out of cornflakes. F.U.” Took me three hours to figure out F.U. was Felix Unger!

  45. RetroMikey says:

    Bruins should be leading the series than those knuckleheads of Vancouver.
    Seeing the legend Bobby Orr signing autographs for the fans brought a big smile to my face.
    Yup, an original 6 team I’ll root in the players anytime than a team that has no NHL history except for the Betruzzi hit on Moore years ago or with their first round pick in Dale Tallon when Vancouver entered the league.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Not one of those men is fit to tie Orr’s skates for him, or tape his stick.

      Their captain got away with attempted murder this year, Milan Lucic spent the season behaving like a complete thug, Brad Marchand was the biggest punk in the league this year save Matt Cooke yet behaved like he was someone people had to respect. That’s just the tip of the iceberg for that team of bullies and cowards.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • TomNickle says:

        You’re absolutely right. And I’d like to add that includes the man child who sits in the Bruins executive suite for every home game.

    • G-Man says:

      Nope. Bruins even winning 1 game is anathema. I am hoping they’re done in 5.

    • TomNickle says:

      Let me ask you this Mikey. Do you think that members of the original six era think the Bruins play in a way that treats the game and its players with respect? In other words, do you think those surviving members of teams from that era would be proud to be a teammate of guys who target skilled players with cheap shots, complain to the media at the drop of a hat and prove themselves to be hypocrites on a nightly basis?

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        LOL Tom, way to much of thinkings man’s question for Mikey. He just likes to post every few days that he wants Boston to win because they are an original 6 team.

      • HardHabits says:

        Yes. Yes.

      • RetroMikey says:

        Cheap shots have been in the game since Eddie Shore played and will continue.
        We had a couple in Mario Tremblay and Doug Risebrough in the 70’s or Bryan Watson in the 60’s who used the wood to do the odd cheap shot and their mouths did the talking as well.
        All said and done, get over it. this is the new NHL, trash talking at it’s best and will get worse before it gets better in this league.
        So enjoy the finals and have some popcorn and see what it takes for our team to change to try to make it in the finals and not have good games, bad games, hilite games and early eliminations from the playoffs as in the past.
        Other teams have changed and so should we.

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      Wow, a Boston ( or Toronto? ) fan wants Boston to win, that comes as a surprise…

    • saskhabfan says:

      Where ya been hiding for the past week? Oh yeah,the bruins finally won a game. It’s pretty sad that you are so predictable.

  46. DearyLeary says:

    I’m just curious why the media is so outraged about the Horton hit, but the Pacioretty hit was dismissed as a hockey play? Both late hits, both to the head, both result in injury (I assume, we haven’t heard anything about Horton’s status maybe he’s embellishing, right Dr. Recchi?).

    Anyway, back to real hockey, because that game wasn’t real hockey. It was thuggery at its finest, Bruins style. Vancouver will bounce back, just as they have all playoff season. I counted Vancouver out in all their series and they persevered through all of it (and this isn’t the first lopsided loss they’ve suffered).

    Keep on mother canuckin’, Van City.

  47. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Much as it surprises, and pains me, you have to hand it to Julien for coming out and condemning his players for their antics with Lapierre and Burrows. Guess he didn’t really have a choice as it would have been blatantly hypocritical not to, but hypocrisy seems to be the norm in the NHL these days…

    As for the Rome hit. If Chara deserved a suspension, then so too does Rome. Whether he gets one…

  48. Ton says:

    Horton out for the series with severe concussion. Just read it.

    • DearyLeary says:

      Embellishing, he should have consulted Dr. Recchi instead of the hack that gave this opinion.

    • MathMan says:

      Hopefully he will be tweeting from movie theaters soon. More seriously, let’s all hope for a swift recovery. Concussions are not fun. Horton shouldn’t rush back.

      Although the story seems to be the 8-1 final, I think that’s a red herring (the Bruins got 4 ES goals on 6 chances past the first period, 2 SH goals on 3 chances; they didn’t actually dominate and were once more outchanced 5-on-5). What might really be the deciding outcome of Game 3 is Boston losing their leading playoff scorer and the foremost piece of their already-questionable winger depth.

  49. Hobie Hansen says:

    The hit happened so fast that I don’t think Rome had more than half a second to make a decision on whether to hit Horton or not. If the puck would have remained on Horton’s stick for a half second longer it would have been the hit of the playoffs.

    I don’t think Rome should be suspended. A few years ago, if Scott Stevens threw that hit it would be chalked up as legendary. There’s no way to stop those kind of hits from happening unless you take hitting out of the game completely.

    Oh and Horton was not embellishing and the trainers were not telling up to stay down in order to get a possible suspension. He was knocked cold and when he tried to get up he was just coming to his senses.

    I would never want a player to be hurt but I wouldn’t mind Boston fans feeling what its like to lose a playoff series because one of their better players was missing due to a nasty hit. In saying that, I wish Horton the best because he’s a good hockey player who plays tough.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Exactly. You don’t want to see that happen, but considering the disdain over the Pax incident, I can’t help but but wondering, “How does that make you feel? Do you begin to get it now?”

      Of course, the answer to the second question would be, “No.”

      — formerly notbigbird —

      • Fansincebirth says:

        The Bruin’s fans are extremely narrow minded and short of memory. The condoned and applauded the Chara hit yet scream for blood over last night’s hit. They don’t want to be reminded about the pain and suffering Max, his team mates, his parents and the fans experienced when he lay unconscious on the ice. They don’t want to be reminded that Chara’s hit was just a hockey play because if they do, then Rome’s hit was a just a hockey play with a bad outcome.

        In a game of speed and timing, Rome was on a collision course which couldn’t be changed and Horton should have had his head up going through the zone instead of admiring his pass or looking for a return pass.

        The Bruins will be head hunting in the next game and will be looking to even the score, not in games but the body count.

  50. novahab says:

    Message to the Bruins and I will Quote the great one Gary Bettman.
    ” It was a hockey play. Hockey is a tough game and sometimes people get hurt. Get over it and lets move on” Then again I guess the Habs and Canauks don’t have a Daddy working in the NHL offices.

  51. pmaraw says:

    shouldnt dr recchi get a suspension for trying to penetrate max lapierre’s mouth with his finger? i mean…. this is suppose to be a family oriented event.

  52. eric says:

    What’s the big deal, it was a hockey play and if he wasn’t admiring his pass he would have seen Rome

  53. Stuck_in_To. says:

    You cannot revile everything that Boston has got away with in the regular season and playoffs and condone Rome’s hit. It is all wrong or it is all “who cares if they kill each other”. It is clearly all wrong and props to Paciorety and his quick tweet in sympathy of Horton. Whether he is genuine or just being political, Rome was late and the result bad. Even if the NHL has messed up everything before this, a suspension is the right message to send.

    Canucks in 5!

    • G-Man says:

      Hockey play. No suspension. Should have been a minor. Interference was called.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I agree.

      The Horton injury is not something to be happy about.

      I mean, Horton would have been 5th or 6th on the list of Bruins deserving to leave on a stretcher. Chara first obviously, then Lucic, Marchand, Ferrence. After that Rechhi or Horton.

      Oh, I forgot Thomas.

      And Claude Julien – yes definitely Julien ahead of Horton.

      Oh wait, there’s also Globe “journalist” Kevin Paul Dupont. For sure I’d rather see him leave the garden on a stretcher than Nathan Horton.

      So yes, it is nothing to cheer.*

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    Prediction time, I think Murphy is going to suspend Rome for 1 game, which somehow in NHL headoffice math is the equivalent of what 3 games? I think Murphy will covertly call the Colon, who will remind him how he let Vancouver away with the most vile bite in NHL history and it is time to right the world for Greggy and suspend Rome for 3 Playoff games. Murphy will show that he has big cahunas and stand up to Colon and say no I will suspend him for 1 game…. oh you still work at the head office Colon?, okay maybe 2 games. Brendan can you help me with this?

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  55. Bugs says:

    If anyone knows anything about hockey, you can see that Horton jumped head-first into Rome’s shoulder a little.
    Also, how bad can his “injury” really be? He was trying to get up. Obviously just adding some mustard to get sympathy outta the League and get them to suspend Rome who, it should be said, didn’t even KNOW it was Horton he was hitting even though some argue it was deliberately retaliatory. It’s a fast game and sometimes, “accidents” happen; that’s all.

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  56. 123456 says:

    nice hard hockey hit, you have to finish your check there. yea it was late but that’s all. shoulder to shoulder. hope hoton gets back to the ice next year.

  57. G-Man says:

    The hit on Horton was a hockey play. He didn’t look after he passed and didn’t see Rome coming. End of story. Those whining in how late that hit was are full of it. He barely got the pass off when the Roman Express barrelled into him, kind of like how Lucic and company always hit a little late when your back is turned.

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Maxime Talbot to the Habs: “Come and get me”.

    HabFanSince72 to the Habs: “Go and get him. Do it.”

    • Brinkley says:

      Although not a bad hockey player Talbot is a 3rd line talent – a position the Habs are knee deep in. Montral needs to find some top 6 forwads with size…..just can’t see where Talbot would be a difference maker.

      • issie74 says:

        Yes! preferably Rick Nash. What!!! I can dream can’t I? Everyone else does on this page.Close your eyes and dream..Max on one wing and Nash on the other. Ahh nice


    • habs03 says:


      • G-Man says:

        Better speed, but he is definitely a 3rd liner.

      • issie74 says:

        Get out.


      • HabFanSince72 says:

        It isn’t either/or.

        Darche is 34 and will play one or two more seasons. Talbot is 27 and could be signed long term. Talbot is a centre and Darche a winger. In any case Talbot would be more of a replacement for Pyatt or Halpern.

        Talbot has several good things going for him.

        1. He is a PK specialist. He would be the centre on the #1 PK unit, giving Pleks a break.

        2. He is a big game performer who turns up the intensity in the playoffs.

        3. A third/fourth line of Talbot with White and Moen would be a very good third line. Could play against the other team’s top lines.

        4. We need another guy called Max on our team. In fact bring back Lappy and we’d have Max to the 3rd power.

  59. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Does anybody have Dr. Marcus Recchi M.D’s diagnosis of Horton’s health this morning? I never wish any ill-will on anybody, but it was difficult for me to feel any sympathy towards Horton last night as he lay there on the ice. My hatred towards the Bruins’ classless, goonish and whiny ways have jaded me.

  60. slychard says:

    I love the Boston globe’s take on “the hit” and how he labels the Canucks players’ quotes on protecting their teammate Rome as lame yet if you read those quotes ” he’s not that type of player” ” nice guy” ” I’m sure it was not intentional” you can replace Rome with Chara and those are exactly the same quotes used by the bruins in defense of Chara on Paccioretty assault. What a bunch of whiny hypocrites.

  61. RGM says:

    I called it last night. All we’re going to hear about the next two days is how dominant the Bruins were and now they’re in the driver’s seat for this series. No different than the media tongues wagging after the 8-6 “Beatdown in Beantown” that so many people like to reference.

    All the Canucks have to do tomorrow is win the game and all of a sudden they’re up 3-1 with a chance to close it out at home on Friday.

    During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

  62. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Wow, so now all we have to read is how ugly that hit was…how late it was…how Rome jumped into it…F’n Pathetic!

    I really do feel bad for Horton, but as the saying goes “Keep your head up”. He was watching his pass (dumb thing to do).

    The Pacioretty hit was deemed a hockey play by a lot of writers, yet it was a VERY late hit in a VERY dangerous place on the ice. Yet this hit on Horton is more brutal? If Rome is suspended, this shows the NHL will not stop at anything to help the F’n Bruins win a cup.

  63. olegpetrov says:

    2 seconds does not equal a late hit. i’d like to see someone put the timer up and get a definitive length of time between pass and hit. i timed it at 2 seconds.

    Habs fan…Nuff said

    • RGM says:

      Two seconds is a late hit. As per Bob McKenzie, anything after half a second is considered a late hit. “The National Hockey League has a standard, and that standard is any hit beyond half a second after the player has released the puck leads to an interference penalty. This was almost a full second.”

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

      • olegpetrov says:

        two seconds is not a late hit. they are basing that off of the result rather than the actual play. How many times do we see players hitting players well after the play has ended, but those aren’t late hits. The Chara hit on Patches, that was a late hit with a horrible result. that hit was a good 4 seconds after the puck left his stick.

        Habs fan…Nuff said

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        If the rule is really a half second, then there should be many more penalties. Late hits are a pet peeve of mine. At least Horton was still more or less in play as opposed to the usual case where some poor slob makes a pass from the boards and is clearly out of the play but gets plastered more than a second later regardless.

        — formerly notbigbird —

      • issie74 says:


        I can.t take TSN seriously,when Max was hit by Chara the puck was in the corner and the Boston defense had possession.
        Where was Bob McKenszie then, when he deemed it a hockey play.

        • Mullie01 says:

          Bob did tweet after the Chara hit that he should get 2 games. I expect 1 for the Rome hit, but i guess we’ll see how far removed “Daddy” is once the judgment is made here…

          • issie74 says:

            I admit I do not tweet … but I listen … to Sportscenter and he said a hockey play,which caused me … to turn the channel and never go back.


      • Jim Edson says:

        Two seconds is the same amount of times it takes either Luchicken or Horton to sucker punch an opponent!

        Think about it!

        …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

        Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

  64. Brinkley says:

    So let me get this straight……according to ERIC DUHATSCHEK, Rome should be suspended for last night’s hit on Horton – one where Horton skated into Rome who merely braced himself and used his shoulder?

    Now I’m really confused…as to how Rome’s hit was a ‘suspendable’ hit while Chara’s hit on MAX Pacioretty was not suspendable.

    Give me a bloody break!

    • olegpetrov says:

      while i agree that there shouldn’t be a suspension, Horton didn’t “skate into a braced Rome”. Rome stepped up on the play and gave the hit. A clean hit, with a bad result. Unfortunately, there will be a suspension, even though the NHL set a precedent by not suspending Chara.

      Habs fan…Nuff said

  65. Chris says:

    still trying to see my comments

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  66. Fansincebirth says:

    The hit on Horton wasn’t as late as the hit on Max, Rome’s elbow was down, he leaned into the hit, Horton was admiring his pass. Good hit, bad outcome. With all that, he’ll probably receive a suspension because that’s the way things go in this NHL now.

    New book out by Dr. Seuss……”Horton hears a BAM!”

  67. olegpetrov says:

    how does the globe and mail article not mention ANYTHING about the hit on Patches?

    Habs fan…Nuff said

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    In other “other news”: 3 important Parti Quebecois MNAs have quit the party because of the leader’s support for Bill 204 on the financing of the Quebec amphitheatre. More resignations are expected.

    The bill would essentially legalize the deal between the Quebec Municipal Govt and Quebecor, whereby taxpayers pay for an arena for Mr Peladeau, in the hope that he can get a NHL franchise to play in it.

    Read about it here:

    Now I’m not a separatist and have never voted for the PQ, but I have to admit they have integrity. Not a single member of those whoring Liberals have objected to this scandalous, demagogic, and apparently illegal project.

    The PQ resignations can only hurt the party and therefore hurt the chances of independence. Yet many party members would rather have that than compromise their principles. Well done.

  69. SmartDog says:

    Julien has become such an a-hole.
    Before the game he was quoted as saying he wouldn’t tolerate Lappy’s finger waving on his team. So then Dr. Recchi is out there waving his hand in front of Laps’ face. The Bruins are the most whining, candy-ass “tough” team there ever was.

    • Corio says:

      Team of hypocrites and knuckledraggers, I really hope they don’t win the cup..

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I know eh, when I saw Recchi pull that, all I could think about was how right before the game, Julien specifically said that exact act would not stand on our team. I bet 1 million dollars he didn’t say anything to Rechhi about that garbage.

      Too bad no reporters have the b@lls to call him on that and ask him how he informed Recchi that was not acceptable.

      Is it just me, or do the Bruins’ players and coach, whine to the media about other teams’ players, more than any other team in the league?

      Say what you want about the Habs, their players never whine to the media about players on other teams, but Boston makes a habit of it.

  70. BsFanforLife says:

    Morning all! Sorry I havent been able to log on in a couple days. I know youre all heartbroken. Its ok.

    As one of the few Bruins fans either ballsy enough or just too “neanderthal” to care to post here figured I’d weigh in on last nights events:

    I dont think last nights hit was suspendable. At first I saw it and thought “Clearly a 48” but after actually taking the time to actually watch the video thru a couple times Im not even sure its that. Should Rome had let up some? sure. But Horty committed the first cardinal sin: He admired his pass instead of paying attention to his surroundings. That is far from saying he deserved it but he cant be fully cleared of any responsibility. Horty is definitely someone I want to see come back 100% and he is leaving a huge void but I wish him all the best in healing up with no lasting effects from it.

    As much as many of you dont want to hear this it has to be said: the difference between the Bruins and the Canadiens is when Max went down the Habs looked shellshocked. The Bruins saw what happened to Horty and decided to lay the hammer down both physically and on the scoreboard.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You’re back? Did the Bs win last night?

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      There’s quite a difference. It seemed as though Pax could have been dead at the time as he lay completely still. No concern of that with Horton as far as I could see. There was also a stanchion as opposed to a shoulder.

      But there are a lot of differences between the two organizations. They both have class except that in Boston’s case the first two letters are missing.

      — formerly notbigbird —

    • patience is a virtue says:

      Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

      It’s difficult to compare the two situations as you did. Chara’s late, injurious hit came at the end of the 2nd period in a non-playoff game when the Habs were already smoking the Bruins. Also, the scene was made slightly more dramatic by the loud echos of the stanchion after Chara rammed Patches’ head into it.

      Rome’s late, injurious hit came at the beginning of a Stanley Cup Finals hockey game with the Bruins down 2 games, back at home.

      Both hits were unnecessary, dangerous, and do not need to be part of the game of hockey – there is simply NO justification for either, nor any good reason why players shouldn’t be severely punished for these kinds of non-hockey plays. Real consequences would change the culture of the NHL quickly – for better, and perhaps a bit for worse in terms of player’s hesitance to make clean hits. But that is a price easily worth paying to avoid serious injuries to people and to avoid me having to read pathetic analyses and comparisons such as that which you have offered.

    • SmartDog says:

      The hit was totally bogus, and the kind the NHL needs to crack down on. He’ll probably get suspended.
      Besides that, there’s no comparison. We see hits like Horton’s all the time – and he could be back for the next game. The hit on Patches LOOKED much worse, and probably was. He was out cold much longer, we got to watch his saliva turn into ice as he lay motionless for minutes. The brilliant Dr. Recchi aside, he had a serious concussion AND cracked vertebrae. And it was a non-playoff game that was already lost. There was no reason in the world to risk making that hit.

      I thank you for keeping it civil. You were articulate and fair about trying to make a point. And I would even say there’s a grain of truth in the B’s having a resilient team. (Though there are a lot of a-holes on the B’s and what really bothers me is they are as brutal as any team but then then WHINE about everything. I mean, be tough or be whiny. But don’t play both games like little kids.) But they have some character in that room too. Guys like Thomas especially, who have class and maturity. And the Bruins also (as you point out) have a hammer to hammer with. For all the accusations of “thuggery” on behalf of the Canadiens, the Habs don’t have the guys to do that. They just don’t. It’s just more whining. I really wish they would stop. I can respect a tough team but not a whiny team. The Habs, thought they lack the B’s toughness (and I wish they had a bit more), are not whiny. They don’t cry over someone beating them along the boards, or making faces at them. Ference’s f-you to fans was there and gone. Everyone knows he should’ve been suspended, he wasn’t but so what. You just keep playing. It’s what the Habs DO. The B’s just keep crying.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I dunno. I don’t recall either the Hab players or the team whining, but perhaps I just missed it. I do seem to hear whiny quotes from the Bs though. As for fans, we’re all more or less the same everywhere.

        — formerly notbigbird —

      • BsFanforLife says:

        I dont disagree that the hit was dangerous and that Horton failing to watch where he was going absolves Rome from responsibility. In the end Rome should have been much more selective with his hit and there is no getting around that. I do have a hard time with this notion though that Bruins (or really ANY team for that matter, the Canadiens included) whine. I mean when do you hear players making mention of a hit or action of a player? when they are directly asked by a reporter about it. They are simply answering a question asked of them. And for the most part Ive thought they have attempted to answer it minimally and turn attention to something else. Its like when people started calling out Timmy Thomas for his “Garauntee” (sp). He never actually used that word and what did people really expect him to say when asked if they were going to win? “Hell no, no chance”?

        I just think its kinda interesting to call people out as whiny for commenting on things they are asked. Thats all.

    • G-Man says:

      The Horton hit was sweet kharma biting him on the, er, …head.

  71. HabinBurlington says:

    Vancouver has to win the next game, this team needs to get momentum back in the series. The Sedins need to show up and dominate a game. Not just with good chances, they have to start burying their opportunities. If these 2 brothers are to be considered elite NHL players, now is the time to prove it.

    Tim Thomas is proving himself to be a clutch goalie, Luongo now must do the same.

    As much as the Rome/Horton hit was late, I don’t see how Boston can scream blue murder. Was not their justification that Chara’s hit was if anything a late hit for which he received interference. How can Rome’s hit be considered anything but a late hit/intereference based on their standards. His head hit he ice after the hit, the hit I thought got him in the shoulder.

    I don’t like those late hits in hockey, I am not a supporter of it, but based on the Bruins and other Hockey People’s defence of Chara, is this not the same thing minus a Stanchion?

    Great Effort Boys, PG get to work this Summer!

  72. badbalance says:

    Horton definitely embellished it..
    Karma is a bitch too
    |Long live the system |

  73. HabFanSince72 says:

    The hit didn’t change anything.

    Thomas is the guy who won that game.

    Every time the Bruins have had their backs to the wall in the playoffs Thomas has come up with the great game.

    Sad to say but I think he will keep stoning the Nucks. They will need to keep the score low and win the one goal games.

    • JF says:

      Agree about Thomas. That beatdown was so thorough I found myself thinking after the game that the Bruins might actually pull it off. Much as I hate them, I have to admit they were very impressive last night – all of them. The Canucks have not looked that good in a while. I think that what happened in Game 2 and the questions he faced about his goaltending style put Thomas on his mettle, and I also think he’s a better clutch goaltender than Roberto Luongo. You’re right that the Canucks will need to play tight, defensive games and keep the score low if they’re to win.

    • Sharks9 says:

      I agree, if Thomas hadn’t been so solid I think Vancouver might’ve come back and tied the game, they had a lot of chances but then Boston just kept scoring and they were deflated.

      But take heart everyone, Boston beat Montreal by 7 and then montreal won their next 2 games against them! Lets hope that happens again!

      25 before 14

      • BsFanforLife says:

        The difference between the Canadiens getting rolled over by 7 and Vancouver is the Canadiens didnt have to come back to the Garden 2 days later.

        • JF says:

          You’re right, that will be tough. And the Canucks have shown they can be mentally fragile – witness the successive beatdowns by Chicago in the first series. If the Bruins score early and get into the Canucks’ heads, we could see another.

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