‘I’m taking nothing for granted,’ Gallagher says heading into second season

The Canadiens’ Brendan Gallagher was in Toronto on Tuesday to take part in the NHLPA’s rookie showcase, even though he isn’t a rookie anymore.

Gallagher was a finalist for the Calder Trophy last season as the NHL’s top rookie, losing out to Jonathan Huberdeau of the Florida Panthers. Gallagher finished the season with 15-13-28 totals in 44 games. The only rookies to post more points were Edmonton’s Nail Yakupov (17-14-31), Huberdeau (14-17-31) and Ottawa’s Cory Conacher (11-18-29).

“This summer I prepared the same way, did the exact same things,” Gallagher told The Canadian Press about his offseason training. “I’m taking nothing for granted.”

He added: “I don’t want to be complacent about a first year. I know a lot of guys have had good first years and struggle in their second so I’m aware of that. The most important thing is winning. I just want to be part of a winning hockey team and for me to contribute in that I need to continue to build on my season last year.”

Gallagher also commented on the Canadiens’ offseason signings: 

“Daniel Briere (is) a very skilled, a smaller guy I can learn from and who I’m excited to be around. Douglas Murray is a presence to play against to say the least, a big body who is going to be effective on the penalty kill and will fit nicely into our core of six defencemen.

“Having (George Parros) around, I think, just makes everyone feel more comfortable. We had guys (last year) who were willing to stand up . . . you look at a guy like Brandon Prust who would go fight (Toronto forward) Frazier McLaren, who is a much bigger guy, and he did very well. But for us to have Prust on the ice is big as well.”

Gallagher happy to be at rookie showcase, Canada.com

Goaltending remains biggest question for Team Canada at Olympics, by Cam Cole of Postmedia News

Olympic team plays ball hockey (with video), montrealgazette.com

TSN panel projects Team Canada roster, TSN.ca

Ice-making 101, Canadiens.com

  1. sholi2000.com, 27 August, 2013

    TSN says no PK. Unreal.

    Kunitz? Give me a break!

    A bunch of us here may as well go on Public TV and start our own show at least it would be interesting and laugh out loud funny.

    Shane Oliver
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  2. Timo, 27 August, 2013

    I believe the proper way to say it is “I ain’t no takin’ nothin’ for granted”

  3. Mavid, 27 August, 2013


    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  4. Habfan10912, 27 August, 2013

    For the love of God you were first man! Cheers bud.

  5. Timo, 27 August, 2013

    Hockey Canada and hockey in general is all about who you know, who’s your buddy, who scratched your back and whose back you have to scratch.

    They are all a bunch of homers who will look after their buddies first.

  6. Timo, 27 August, 2013

    A country boy doing devil horns?

  7. habsfan0, 27 August, 2013

    Hopefully the sophomore jinx is a malady that Gallagher will avoid.

  8. Habfan10912, 27 August, 2013

    Post of the day comes from Front. Unfortunately I don’t think the nods will allow me to repeat it. A classic.

  9. habsfan0, 27 August, 2013

    That depends on what part of North America you attended grade school in.

  10. JUST ME, 27 August, 2013

    Look closely at the list and P.K is there in the roster picks from TSN. So is Carey.

    P.k. is a must for Canada`s team if they do not want to get burned on an olympic size rink. P.K. will thrive if you give him ice !

  11. AliHaba, 27 August, 2013

    Getting very excited about the upcoming season. Just for shits and giggles I checked out George Parros’ fights against the two Leaf tough guys. I was surprised to find that he had fought Frazer McLaren 5 times and in my unbiased opinion George had 4 wins and a draw. And he beat Colton Orr the only time they fought.

  12. jo_maka, 27 August, 2013

    PK has to be there. He had his home games on international sized ice in junior. He’s the best skater on D and even better than some of the forwards. If they give him less minutes he’ll be even more effective…….

    But we all know Hockey Canada has this weird sense of respect and hierarchy when chosing their boys. Subban was there twice in WJC and just earned a Norris, but still don’t matter for them. A trophy that Keith an Green won but eluded Doughty, Staal and the oh so wonderful Weber.

  13. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Repost from the last thread because I’m still pissed off.

    I’ve been on EOTP maybe 3 times. Seemed too new school for me though. I always thought they did a great job. But attacking a fan base of another Habs blog? Really? From Andrew I kind of expect it but from Robert? Who I’ve defended here on some occasions? Ouch.

    I’ve met some amazing people here. People I email everyday. People who I’ve invited to my wedding. People I meet for meals as they pass through my town. We are NOT a “crap community” We are NOT a “garbage heap”.

    We have some bad eggs, sure, but the majority of us are great people with varying degrees of hockey knowledge that share our views and opinions without fear of ridicule.

    Stay classy EOTP. You have just likened yourselves to Bruins fans.

    PS I’m just curious. When is the EOTP summit? When is the fundraiser for the Children’s hospital sponsored by EOTP?

    Crap community? Give your head a shake.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  14. HabFanSince72, 27 August, 2013

    As the house agnostic it falls on me to weigh in on the schism in the Church of the Hab.

    H I/O is the catholic branch – more established and ancient, more driven (as Surrey points out) by emotion and pagentry, and not a little suspicious of the austere logic of the schismatics.

    Andrew Berkshire is the ascetic priest of EOTP, its Martin Luther, who nailed his statistical theses to or church door and left just one step ahead of the Inquisitors (timelines are a bit off but bear with me).

    And if Robert Rice has had harsh words for us, his is only the zeal of the recent convert.

    JD_ would be the clownish Henry VIII – who left more for his own amusement then for a strong belief in the other side’s doctrines.

    And then there are the ecumenicals, punkster and 24Cups, who still believe in the One True Church of the Hab.

    And finally there is Giordano Bruno, excommunicated by both sides and finally burned at the stake in Rome. I just hope I don’t end up like him.

  15. Habilis, 27 August, 2013

    My impression of McLaren and Orr when they heard about Parros being traded to the Habs:


    Can’t wait to watch the mustachioed marvel lay into those goons on opening night.

  16. Habitant in Surrey, 27 August, 2013

    …well, just arrived home last night from the deep, deep woods of British Columbia …white-water rafting, horse back riding, trout and salmon fishing, and exposing My Kids to the beauty (and mosquitos) of God’s Country

    …actually, twern’t that many mosquitos, thankfully :)

    …and, WHAT ??? do I return to ? …a downer discussion on the most obnoxious former member (mosquito) of Our exalted Commentariat that I can remember, in the poison (err, the person) of Mssr. Cheshire Cat (Berkshire)

    …to put Cheshire at the top of the HIO Obnoxious List is saying a lot …because there have been some serious contenders for his crown

    …it was not the opinions he had, because his opinions on hockey or the Montreal Canadiens held no more or less weight than any other of Our members’ opinions

    …he was an overweight kid with an attitude that belatedly joined HIO a couple years ago and provided fair comment often based on his nerdishness for statistics and numbers

    …his comments came from evidential logic and theory rather than ‘the gut’ and passion of the game, which was understandable as he never played the game of hockey, nor likely skated in more than a family night at his local recreation centre

    …it was not the subject of his treatises …it was his personal obnoxiousness and condescension towards other commentators in HIO that was ‘the poison’ in the community …and like someOne mentioned below, it was a huge relief when he no longer ‘pleasured’ Us with His presense in HIO

    …HIO became an extremely better and respectful fraternity of fellow Montreal Canadiens’ Fans following his slithering away following some memorable conflagrations

    …it was I that convinced Mike Boone to provide Robert Rice space in HIO to write a specific page, based on My personal opinion that HIO needed more content on all Our prospects and the Hamilton Bulldogs

    …I felt Robert, in fact, deserved a daily separate page within HIO specific for the subject of Our Future

    …well, Mike didn’t give Me everything I wished for, but He did give Robert his break as far as a platform to be recognized …it gave Me too what I wanted, which thankfully Ben (Commandant) partially has replaced with His interesting contribution

    …Eyes On The Prize, was previously a shrine to the Montreal Canadiens’ history created lovingly by Robert Lefevre …it was,for Me, sad to see EOTP becoming a platform commandeered by the same Cheshire Cat of HIO

    …I don’t know the story how Robert handed EOTP over to the group presently in-controll …it’s none of My business …but, it was a sad moment for Me

    …as far as Hockey Inside Out is concerned, I’m not the oldest member, but I was here far longer than Cheshire or Rice, and even Our beloved Ian …I can categorically say HIO has never been a more wonderful place for a Montreal Canadiens’ Fan to visit and stay current with Habs’ Fans around this cotton-pickin’ diverse World in which We all live

    …We have writers here I can read all day like Chris, Normand and others …and just an all-round wonderful assortment of individual personalities and characters that make visiting HIO a must for Myself

    …excepting only when I’m ‘in the deep, deep woods’ :)

    …Long live HIO

  17. Habitant in Surrey, 27 August, 2013

    PostScript: …since everyOne else is re-posting …I thought ‘WHY ??? not I ?’ :)

  18. Dunboyne Mike, 27 August, 2013

    Ha ha 72!
    Read it both times — nice one.

  19. sholi2000.com, 27 August, 2013

    They have him in the nosebleeds, the guy (PK) is the complete package. He hits, he scores, and he can play defensive.

    I did a little opinion poll around Brandon arenas last winter. Everyone hates PK because they say he hits dirty, he sucker punches and turtles.

    I feel bad for PK, because he wears the jersey he will never be appreciated outside of Montreal and their fan base.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member 00029.31

  20. habsfan0, 27 August, 2013

    Double your pleasure
    Double your fun
    Go out with 2 girls
    Instead of one

  21. sholi2000.com, 27 August, 2013

    Still in one of those moods. :) I’ll be better when school starts haha.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member 00029.31

  22. Dunboyne Mike, 27 August, 2013

    My piece of cake arrived! You really went out on a limb for me, bud — the slice with the little plastic bride and Coleco tabletop hockey goalie!
    You’re the best. Yippee ky-ay!

  23. CharlieHodgeFan, 27 August, 2013

    How about that Eklund, eh?

    Holy freakolie, I’m trollin’ like a 16 year old!

  24. Dunboyne Mike, 27 August, 2013

    There is a very precise age-threshold for appreciating that one!
    (But perhaps I shouldn’t be encouraging you when you’re only adding to the garbage heap)
    (Perhaps I shouldn’t be encouraging myself)

  25. twilighthours, 27 August, 2013

    This is in no way slagging eotp, which does its own thing, but

    Man there is a mixed bag of characters on this site, and that’s what makes it great

  26. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    Gally is a great player who will get better. I hate to say it but he has great character, but also has skill and even though he’s not the tallest player, he plays like he’s Charas size!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  27. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    Sigh Blue Jays GM makes a bad decision here’s my rant on the bad move the Jays just made.


  28. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Ali go back and check the Parros/Orr fight card on Hockeyfights. There at least 6 or 7 fights there. Not all one sided.

  29. CharlieHodgeFan, 27 August, 2013

    I was unaware of his personal life. Huh.

    edit: aww, you ruined my juvenile comment with your edit!

  30. habsfan0, 27 August, 2013

    I’m sure Chris is of sufficient age that he recognizes the ad for Wrigley Spearmint gum!

  31. CharlieHodgeFan, 27 August, 2013

    I’m not a great Jays supporter (my fandom followed Pedro Martinez and Orlando Cabrera to the Red Sox) but I don’t mind the team. Usually. But the Jays are so slack and listless as a team – I went to some Spring training games and the team looked like it needed to be dewormed. I don’t think that manager of theirs has a future as a motivational speaker, a strategist or someone who generally stays awake. Other than that, they’re fine.

  32. on2ndthought, 27 August, 2013

    at least the boy band’s management got them into the right gear (tho I don’t want to see pictures of their Boston or TO shows)

    “a cannonading drive”

  33. Cal, 27 August, 2013

    HIO. The one that matters.
    The Habs. The team that matters.
    Fanatic Love at one site.
    Boone. Stubbs. Hickey. Branwell. Cowan.
    When it’s the real thing, the others can’t compare.
    They crane their necks, looking up at HIO.

    It’s the place Ian Cobb and Shollie call home. That’s good enough for me.

  34. on2ndthought, 27 August, 2013

    OK, deep breath and repeat after me: PK is in, no worries. Canada has lots of really good D, but only one real game changer, they will pick him (I’m saying this as much for my own benefit as anyone else’s).

    “a cannonading drive”

  35. on2ndthought, 27 August, 2013


    “a cannonading drive”

  36. Captain aHab, 27 August, 2013

    Quite frankly if he got dissed, he’d likely play with a chip on his shoulders and he may be even better.

    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

  37. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    I just feel that they are making the exact mistakes from the past. When AA came in they praised him cause he refilled the farm system. Now just like the last guy he got rid of them for “stars” brought in Gibbons and nothing is working. Its really annoying lol.

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  38. CharlieHodgeFan, 27 August, 2013

    This is a good thing. I want PK to play like a guy on the cusp. This could save him from any sort of post-Norris indiscipline, as he’s still a young player.
    We should all be hoping he’s a late addition – because PK as he is now trying to make a team is a force to be imagined.

  39. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    HIO is a great site I have no idea what happened, but who ever decided to attack this site has lost his mind.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  40. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Charlie..Charlie, what we going to do with you. I had to read the whole sequence twice before it hit. 😀 😀

    EDIT: nice fix Nick

  41. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    Luongo, Price and Crawford will most likely be the goalies, you can pick the order, but this is who I think we’ll see!

    I do have to add if PK or Price don’t make it, sure I’ll be annoyed, but at the same time that means they get to rest and that’s not so bad.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  42. HabFanSince72, 27 August, 2013

    On the topic of ethnic strife …

    Apparently Glasgow and Edinburgh put different condiments on their french fries. This Glaswegian man is really angry that they charged him for ketchup in Edinburgh:

    “It reeks of racism. Just because we come from the west and tend to like ketchup instead of brown sauce. It’s clear they’re discriminating and I don’t think it’s right.”


  43. HabFanSince72, 27 August, 2013

    I’ll cheer for another team if they leave out PK. Czechs (Plek) or Finns (Saku) I guess.

  44. Habitant in Surrey, 27 August, 2013

    …the ‘nasty’ WILL return in October Rick …count on it

  45. on2ndthought, 27 August, 2013

    Brilliant personnel decisions until he hires the manager, now he’s giving him a vote of confidence?

    “a cannonading drive”

  46. on2ndthought, 27 August, 2013

    Gallagher has talent, he has drive and boy oh boy he has FUN!

    “a cannonading drive”

  47. Dunboyne Mike, 27 August, 2013

    Not Galchenyuk…

  48. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    “Little people” count on this site. Oh there is mockery but there is also support. The format that allows the page to show only a current back-and-forth exchange, friendly or otherwise is fanfrontdoortastic. Just a subjective feeling, but the odds of other websites allowing months or years of global “internet-friendship” are long odds most probably (a probability quip). Excuse me while I go look up the word snobbery in the dictionary. Oh, and the name is “Poindexter” for anyone to pointedly point out to Berkshire next time you chat with him.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  49. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    @habfan72. I’m going to Edinburgh and Glasgow next month. Don’t worry amigo,Frontenac will set them straight.Saludos!

  50. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Post the price of Lagavulin once you’re there, will you? Thanks.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  51. Andrew Berkshire, 27 August, 2013

    EOTP helped raise over $6100 for the Leukemia and Lymphona society of Canada this year, and is an official partner of Five Hole for Food. Perhaps you should read more than 3 things on a site before making such grandiose statements.


  52. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Nah, just jealous.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  53. JohninTruro, 27 August, 2013

    I disagree they in any way shape or form did this for “marketing” reasons. In fact in my opinion it is very anti-business like. Simple things you don’t do in business which is slagging your “competition” and expect to be successful or gain considerable benefits from this. As has been said already, they have done that type of thing because of who they are, and they can’t take any form of disagreement against their perceived facts, they don’t let others have an opinion. This type of thing does not build a solid fan base, or at least a committed long lasting one.

  54. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Not a contest to see who raises the most. Just defending our “crap community” as you put it. You should be ashamed of your comments.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  55. Mark C, 27 August, 2013

    Which one is the city slicker?


  56. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Weirdest use of the race card, today and perhaps longer. He seems to have the looks of the race one associates with Edinburgh.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  57. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    @lafleurguy. I’m going to Langevulin on a whiskey trail tour. Might not survive but will try my best amigo.

  58. Say Ash, 27 August, 2013

    Does Galchenyuk have a legit chance at making Team USA?

  59. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    You are one slimy individual and I would love to know what made you such a detestable human being. Insult my friends and think you can just get away with it without comment? Nope. You may love your internet bully persona, but I will have none of it.

    Get off OUR site.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  60. AliHaba, 27 August, 2013

    Thanks Ron. Four NHL fights which I judge as 2 wins for Parros and 2 draws.

  61. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    I heard they eat kippers or some sh#t over there. Who cares? It’s all about the Single Malts.

  62. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    I’m enjoying sips of Chivas as we post, FrontOne.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  63. JohninTruro, 27 August, 2013

    You’re right, two completely established businesses which have saturated the market, are very similar to EOTP versus it’s competitors and trying to grow its business.
    I would agree with you that no doubt it did pique some interest, but this is not what I am saying. I am saying there is no way they did this on purpose for marketing reasons, this is who they are, and you know what to each your own, but that attitude will not grow their business for the long term.

  64. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Count to 10 Chris..

  65. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Sorry Ron. I just don’t see why someone would say those things. Let him walk into Hurleys and call us all garbage to our faces.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  66. Habfan10912, 27 August, 2013

    That would be great for us Habs fans south if your border. It also would help his development to be exposed to that type if high quality hockey. Hus game seems suited for it, huh?

  67. Habitant in Surrey, 27 August, 2013

    …Subban not on the team (Canada) would be a mistake

    …I do not think Subban is ‘the best’ defenseman in the NHL, though ‘someday’ (soon) I believe He will be among ‘the best’ …I base that on mainly His lack of ‘effective’ physicality in front of His net relative to His peers

    …I thought, this past season, there were 2 or 3 others ahead of PK for the Norris

    …that being said, the Norris has provided PK with inner-confidence His game is going in the right direction …as well, on the bigger international ice, PK’s previous Belleville and international experience (on the ‘big ice’), His exceptional skating and speed, and all-round talents would be a serious oversight to not include Him for Sochi (if international politics do not boycott Our participation)

    …and, as of this moment, I feel much more confident with Corey Crawford as number one goalie …Carey, bless His soul, I do not have that confidence, yet

    …Carey has much to prove before the Olympic break

  68. Habfan10912, 27 August, 2013

    You know who takes after his Mother. Good evening all and we’ll chat tomorrow. CHerrs.

  69. Habfan10912, 27 August, 2013

    I need two hands for my belly. CHeers Florida.

  70. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    I’m going to guess no, because the US team will have depth. May be time for some of our encyclopedic posters to come up with a depth chart for the US Olympic Hockey team, or am I going to have to go to Andrew to get this info?

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  71. ABHabsfan, 27 August, 2013

    If you have to have blended, Chivas will do. Single Malt is proper scotch. Lagavulin is some peaty stuff, very distinctive taste. My wife thinks it smells like dirt, which is not far off really. Tastes friggin’ awesome though. I guess I like dirt

    “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  72. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Showed passion tonight, and loyalty.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  73. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Lol. Gentleman Chris I am not.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  74. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Yea, you may be right. He got me.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  75. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    I am a softie, and love Dalwhinnie (haven’t shelled out for their 18 yr. old yet), but I also love going to the other end of the spectrum periodically, and will sip (and chew) Lagavulin.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  76. JohninTruro, 27 August, 2013

    Mark Masters just tweeting about Babcock talking to PK for a bit after the practice and PK was saying he was letting PK know what he wanted to see over the first months of the year. How about I need you to continue to be one of the top 5 d-men in the league again next year.

  77. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    IMO you’ll never see him attend a function of HIO at a Summit or any other. He’ll slip in here like he did today. Says his piece and depart from time to time. Now he’ll go back on his rag and tell his followers how EOTP was slagged here for not having fund raisers. He’ll stand on his pedestal and declare he set the record straight. Best to leave it lie.

  78. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Thanks Andrew. I may have took the bait on his comments but I just couldn’t leave it be. Its just so wrong.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  79. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    We know which Andrew you mean. Cheers Gentleman Junior.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  80. ABHabsfan, 27 August, 2013

    You should visit Springbank distillery in Campelford. Only distillery in Scotland that is completely in-house production, so I’m told. They still turn the barley by hand. Springbank 18 yr is the best I’ve had and I’m told visiting their operation is a great experience

    “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  81. ABHabsfan, 27 August, 2013

    Dalwhinnie is really good scotch. Probably the best that is readily available. The 15 yr that is in most LCBOs is quite tasty

    “man, I love winnin'; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  82. CharlieHodgeFan, 27 August, 2013

    Whatever this silly tempest is, it is probably generating hits back and forth as HIOers check Berkshire’s site, and Berkshire checks this one. I always found the fellow lacked argumentative skills, as listening and adapting are also part of discussion. But I didn’t mind his posts and wouldn’t mind seeing him back. Ditto for the others.
    I’m unimpressed with the simple statistical approach, as it seems better for video game design than hockey discussion. But it remains interesting and I’d rather read it than the ham-fisted trolling of mid-season. Jeez, they’re both hockey discussion sites. It means nothing and is really not worth fighting about. It’s just really informative and entertaining.
    You can write like the NHL is life and death, and really matters and think that you hold the key, but we’re all just watching TV. When we post during games, we’re watching TV together, and now, we are awaiting the next season of our favourite program.
    Will they marry? Will they even kiss? Statistically, odds are better than 50/50.

  83. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013


    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  84. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Yup, the NHL rank that way in my view also but the AHL fights tend to slide in Orr’s favor I think.

  85. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Pardon me boys, is that the cat who chewed my new shoes?
    Apropros of nothing, but it was one of Red Buttons’ funniest lines.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  86. JohninTruro, 27 August, 2013

    Yes, I think that is, or will be a big part of it, unfortunately a lot of that “edge” PK has it what gives him the edge as well. I don’t remember what his PIMs were last year, and of his PIMs how many were of the “roll your eyes” PK what were you thinking kind, but he seems to reel this stuff in more and more. Need to find that edge, go to it, but try not to go over it, at least too often.

  87. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    We all know Gentlemen Jim taught you well..
    Jim am I still in ? 😀

  88. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    So you’re saying they have an odds way of looking at hockey?

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  89. Andrew Berkshire, 27 August, 2013

    Ron, I’ve been to every HIO summit since 2009. You people like assuming a lot of things.


  90. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    So we can assume you will be there in October? I’ll wear a garbage bag so you can easily insult me.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  91. Dickie9, 27 August, 2013

    I am really trying to put my finger on what kind of team the Habs will be this year with some of the minor tweaks…I still think we are very weak on “D” but I do think we will score goals..I guess it will be Price that will be the telling tale of the season

  92. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    Upon video review, I got the 100th post down below at 9:03 pm. I’m expecting contact from Stu any minute now.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  93. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    Andrew who??? Is he supposed to be somebody important? We have better things to talk about like what was Timo doing onstage with Miley Cyrus Sunday night…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  94. Lafleurguy, 27 August, 2013

    It looked like the Fandango.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  95. Ian Cobb, 27 August, 2013

    Canadian team for Sochi!!

    Goalies & Defense: http://bit.ly/19XtYMW

    Forwards: http://bit.ly/18YWrgC

    What do you think boys and girls!

  96. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    I had a shot of Langevulin a couple of weeks ago. Cost me 16 bucks! Closest I got to heaven in a long time amigos. Got a feeling I’m going to get busted in Scotland, but could be worth it.

  97. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    @Andrew, I know you have been to all the Summits since coming onto the site. I think I am more than assuming you will never set foot at another one. To be honest I don’t think you have the intestinal fortitude to do so. One can only degrade people to a level that they won’t stand for it any longer. IMO you crossed that line with your slagging of the site and its people. Roll away Andrew roll away.

  98. Mavid, 27 August, 2013

    bored out of my skull..watching America’s got talent..will be on vacation in a few days..19 days seems like forever…sigh

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  99. Andrew Berkshire, 27 August, 2013

    Ron, I’ll see you there this year. What exactly do you think I’m afraid of? The veiled threats in this thread sure back up exactly what I said in the first place, even if I was a bit harsh.


  100. Chrisadiens, 27 August, 2013

    Ron and I are not threatening you. I would just like you to tell me to my face, that I’m garbage. That my father is garbage. That all the good people here are garbage. I need to see how cold-hearted you really are.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  101. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    Irish Hurling on RDS 2. These guys are a bit nuts.

  102. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    Chris Kunitz making the team…is this a joke? Typical media “bandwaging” BS. Kunitz did nothing against the Bruins. St. Louis should be with Crosby and Stamkos. Even…ugh…Marchand is better than Kunitz.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  103. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    The only Irish Hurling I know involves drinking a case of Guinness…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  104. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Andrew there not veiled threats of any sort. That’s your mind confusing the issue at hand. It is just a straight forward statement that I do not think you have what it takes to face all the people you slag. Where you get veiled threats from that is confusing.

  105. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    ANy Irish car bombs for good measure?

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  106. Ron, 27 August, 2013

    Andrew, your admission of being harsh in your blog should be enough to show you that maybe you were way over line. If you actually feel that way then apologise here tonight to the HIO family. Don’t act like nothing happened. Your description of a little harsh is comical.

  107. Ian Cobb, 27 August, 2013

    Oct. 26th 3pm. The Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation Charity Raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.

    I am constantly ask ” What to bring for the raffle donation”

    My answer is, everyone is coming from different financial backgrounds, just do what you are comfortable with.

    In past years, we have had team sweaters, hockey card collections, books, NHL hockey tickets, jackets, computer monitors, shirts and everything in between.

    Remember, everyone is going home with at least one gift, as a momento of this great HIO fan weekend.

    Each person is asked to bring one gift item, to donate. Dave Stubbs is bringing a classic HIO hockey sweater. Reg Houle is bringing a team autographed stick. Ian is bringing his best outfit, for the much in demand annual table dance.
    Raffle tickets, 1 ticket for $20 or 3 tickets for $40

    Dave Stubbs The Summit is always a remarkable event, HIO members gathering from next door and from across the continent – and beyond.
    I’m looking forward to attending the pregame dinner and donating my one and only HIO jersey to the raffle.
    (Wonder how much I’ll have to pay to get someone to take it off my hands?)
    Whoever “wins” the jersey will have their photo taken with me and, quite likely, a column written about them on Hockey Inside/Out and/or The Gazette. Now if THAT’S not incentive to buy your raffle tickets, I don’t know what is!
    Dave Stubbs’s
    jersey is viewed on the HIO Fan site below.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

  108. Mavid, 27 August, 2013

    yea i saw it..I follow Andrew on Twitter..silly..

    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  109. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    Yeah but Marchand in general shouldn’t be on the team, we don’t need little pieces of crap like him on team Canada

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  110. Phil C, 27 August, 2013

    James Duthie from TSN was interviewed on the radio in Ottawa today. He said there was a lot of disagreement on the panel about their final predictions for the Canada Olympic Team roster. But what caught my attention is that he put Subban in the same category as Letang as offensive specialists and that the team probably only has room for one of them. Dreger said the same thing in the video Ian posted below, that having both Letang and Subban is “too much defensive weakness”. I think this is an unfair label for Subban.

    PK may have led the league in scoring by a defenseman last year, but that was on the strength of his PP points. He only had 12 even strength points (the same as a guy like Emelin), which put him tied for 35th in the league. He is much more defensively responsible than is being perceived.

    Corsi and Fenwick are beyond my minimal statistical skills, so I decided to compare even strength goals against for the 6 defensemen that are competing for a RD slot. These are the unverified numbers I quickly crunched from NHL.com:

    Player ………. ESGA ………. ES TOI ………. ES TOI/GA
    Subban …….. 25 …………. 717.50 …………. 28.70
    Seabrook ……31 …………. 824.00 …………. 26.58
    Doughty ……. 39………… 1017.00 …………. 26.08
    Weber ……… 40………….. 975.00 …………. 24.38
    Letang ………28 …………. 658.00 …………. 23.50
    Pietrangelo .. 44 …………. 904.00………….. 20.55

    Of course GA are a function of team play, so I’m not saying that PK is better defensively than the others based on these stats alone, but I think it’s fair to say that his defensive skills are being under-appreciated due to the “offensive defenseman” label that comes with leading the league in scoring.

    I would say he is more of a PP specialist, while being defensively sound at ES. He should be ahead of Pietrangelo on the depth chart IMO, as he brings the added dimension of bringing his big one-timer to the PP, not to mention his wheels on the big ice.

  111. Andrew Berkshire, 27 August, 2013


    Wow. Asking for an apology? With the way people have reacted on this thread I hardly think an apology is deserved.

    “Let him walk into Hurleys and call us all garbage to our faces.”

    That is a veiled threat.

    “I think I am more than assuming you will never set foot at another one. To be honest I don’t think you have the intestinal fortitude to do so. One can only degrade people to a level that they won’t stand for it any longer.”

    That is a threat that’s less veiled. And I’m the one who should apologize for saying the community here has gone downhill? It quite obviously has.

    It’s funny to see the reaction here to one comment slagging the comments section at HIO considering there are comments at least once a week on HIO slagging EOTP and what happens? Nothing. No one cares. It’s called being mature.

    Anyhow, I’m out. I’ve had enough of this site for another year at least.


  112. Phil C, 27 August, 2013

    If Taylor Hall has a good start to the season, he could potentially look good with Crosby as well due to his speed. Crosby needs wingers who play at his pace, and there are not many of those.

  113. SmartDog, 27 August, 2013

    Hey Ian,

    I’ve been thinking about this and I have an idea about putting up something that isn’t Habs-related… and probably isn’t suitable for the raffle but would be great for an auction.

    I’m a consultant. What I do would be very interesting to certain people – but I don’t know who these people are. And aside from my extremely witty repartee (crickets?), no-one knows what I’m capable of.

    I’d gladly put up a few hundred greenbacks worth of time and analysis that the right person in the crowd would jump at (at least for cheap they would).

    And I get two things out of it: 1. the feeling of swapping some time to help a cause, and 2. through the auction people would know what I do, and who knows – business could come out of it.

    So it’s a win-win. But how to do it?

    Rob (the dog is out walking itself)
    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  114. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    The issue for Subban is who he was played against. Whenever Therrien had a match-up opportunity, he tried to get Emelin and Markov out against the other teams’ top guns, sheltering Subban a bit from the tough minutes expected of a top defender.

    The problem with that analysis is that we know that Subban can play those minutes no problem, based on his performance in the 2010 playoffs and the 2010-11 season.

    So like florida habs says, this one lies squarely in Therrien’s lap. He needs to play his best defender in the toughest minutes. Last season’s usage of Subban was puzzling, to be kind.

    If Pietrangelo gets onto Team Canada ahead of P.K. Subban, I will be completely flabbergasted. There are guys I can see them taking ahead of Subban for a variety of reasons. Pietrangelo, who was such a disaster defensively that the Blues (a team desperate for goal scoring) went out and got Bouwmeester at the deadline last season to cover for him.

  115. frontenac1, 27 August, 2013

    If PK doesn’t make the Team, then “Up against the Wall”! Vive La Revolucion!

  116. SmartDog, 27 August, 2013

    I don’t know if I should say this… but since she’s on my page above here… Miley Cyrus is just REALLY, really un-sexy. Really. Like a horse with nice legs and a geckos tongue.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  117. Phil C, 27 August, 2013

    The lack of PK time was perplexing. It’s not like the Habs had a bunch of big shutdown defensemen he was playing behind, with guys like Diaz and Markov getting used first. Markov in particular could have used the rest more than Subban.

  118. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    If people are going to throw out names like Kunitz and Marchand for Team Canada, how about Brendan Gallagher? He played well in the World Juniors. He also plays a style that wins tournaments like this. Why the hell not Gallagher?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  119. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    If I had a choice between Miley Cyrus and a rusty frying pan with a hole in it, i’m takin’ the pan 10/10.

    She’s crass, annoying, grotesque and unattractive to boot.


  120. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    Over-rated is an understatement when it comes to her. She is built like a surf-board…what is Thor thinking dating her???

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  121. Phil C, 27 August, 2013

    Especially in the playoffs when the season is on the line. Even Bouillon and Tinordi got more PK time than Subban.

    Your matchup point is valid, although he was paired with Markov on the top pairing at the end of the season and in the playoffs. Let’s hope he has a good start to the season.

  122. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    It’s Thor’s bro

  123. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    Whoops…thanks…but it goes for him too…what is he thinking?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  124. DDO_Habs_Fan, 27 August, 2013

    The frying pan is less greasy…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  125. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    She’s a D list maybe C list celebrity who had her 15 minutes of fame and now she is trying to get it back. I also want to add Robin Thick is just as annoying (sorry Allan) I despise that song is overplayed and bad and the message is beyond awful.

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  126. Sportfan, 27 August, 2013

    If Mike Smith or Braden Holtby make it I’ll be in shock.

    Also if they are concerned with PKs “dangerous” and “risk taking” qualities then they listen to the media wayyyyy to much.

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  127. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    Could someone please tell me what was posted about us on EOTP??

  128. CanadienBoy, 27 August, 2013

    PK will take it to next level ,just to show everyone is the new top D

  129. CanadienBoy, 27 August, 2013

    Never mind Mileys ,lady Gaga got the good

  130. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    PK Subban is the best defenceman in the NHL right now and that’s the simple truth. If he does not make Team Canada it will be because of racism, jealousy, hatred of Les Gloreaux, and a fellative attitudes towards the Bruns and Leafs, the two most cowardly teams in hockey.

    Brad Marchand has no place on team Canada, he is not respected by anyone in the league, most of his teammates would want to take a shot at him, he would be terrible in the room, and his skillset is average at best. If anything he’s a poor man’s Matt Cooke. Hockey Canada would lose a hige amount of respect if they put that cowardly wimpy dirtbag in skates and told it to play hockey with the nations best.

  131. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    Nothing much…Robert and Andrew felt like it is a “crap community” here and that the site has gone way downhill. Somebody (can’t remember if it was one of them) also mentioned that this site lacks the quantity and quality of their page.

    I can’t get too upset about them calling this a crap community, given some of the crap that gets spewed about them here. All’s fair in that particular war.

    I just thought it was a bit unfair to criticise HI/O for its quantity/quality. I’ll take Stubbs’ contributions any day over most bloggers. I know those guys have some justifiable beefs with Hickey over the Theoren Fleury mess, but Hickey also delivers beat reports. Neither guy is really a blogger, and Boone is retired.

    I would say that HI/O’s content is now largely driven from its commenters. There are enough people here that have a lot of insight that it still hasn’t become boring.

    I also completely disagree that the community is any different now than it used to be. That is just nostalgia speaking…the site goes through ebbs and flows, as it always has. Depending on who you ask, HI/O is over the top with trolls or over the top with people acting like family. I find those two to be somewhat contradictory, but hey…everybody’s got an opinion.

    The best thing to come out of it all was that I see that crosseyed_mofo is posting over there. Always liked his sense of humour, so I’m glad to see he’s still out there somewhere. :)

  132. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    PK Subban is not better than Shea Weber, in my opinion. In fact, I would argue that he’s got a ways to go.

    Interesting that your description of Marchand could be pretty much used word-for-word by fans of other teams in the league to describe Subban until you get to the “skillset is average”. :) But yes…Marchand has no chance of making the team simply because he isn’t talented enough.

  133. Timo, 27 August, 2013

    I got your back, partner.

  134. mksness, 27 August, 2013

    think of the penalties marchand could draw. if you can control him and use his skill set accordingly he’s one hell of a hockey player.

  135. mksness, 27 August, 2013

    Both sites bring good stuff to the table. The advanced stats stuff is a cool take on hockey which they link to in many of their articles. It might not be for everyone but still a god read.

    As for crap community, well all fan boards have their characters. If you really don’t like it don’t follow them on twitter or read their articles or come to HIO; best way to show your displeasure.

    Anyways hockey is just around the corner:-)

  136. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    Marchand is absolutely an above-average player, even if he is a detestable little punk.

    But he’s not top-16 among Canadian forwards, nor is he uniquely good at anything (as was the case when a similarly talent-deficient Patrice Bergeron made the 2010 team solely because of his defensive prowess).

    His antics are just as likely to get him penalized as anyone else on international ice. And his propensity for ducking hits is a MASSIVE no-no in international hockey…they will call him for that every time.

  137. mksness, 27 August, 2013

    Do we know he is bad in the room? The guy was on pace for 30 goals last year. i wouldn’t say that’s an average skill set.

    It’s all about winning and i don’t see him as a bad choice for Canada’s 4th line.

    I wouldn’t call out racism either. kinda unfair to everyone. Besides it’s an orientation camp, the team will completely depend on who’s hot and healthy when it comes time to submitting the roster.

  138. mksness, 27 August, 2013

    Very true, i forgot that they actually call penalties in international hockey… so used to everything being a tough hockey play, battle for positioning and just letting them play.

  139. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    Kunitz is a much better hockey player than Brendan Gallagher. He’s posted 50 points or more in 5 of the last 7 seasons, only missing in 2009-10 (32 points in 50 games) and 2010-11 (48 points in 66 games). He posted 20 goals or more in 6 of the last 7 seasons. He’s a pretty consistent performer who has demonstrated that he can play well with Crosby.

    More importantly, Kunitz is not a disaster defensively like Gallagher. Gallagher had to be protected mightily from playing against the other teams’ top players last season.

    But the biggest difference is that people make these speculations based on the idea of promoting pairs of players who are familiar with one another, to try to mitigate the lack of familiarity that some of these guys might have.

    Any bubble players get more serious consideration than they might otherwise receive simply because they can step in and perform right away: Crosby-Kunitz-Letang, Toews-Seabrook-Keith, Richards-Carter-Doughty, Pietrangelo-Bouwmeester, etc.

  140. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    The defending Norris winner should be a shoe in, always, every time, no exceptions.

    The fact that they even are discussing this is incredibly stupid.

  141. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    Ducking a hit is considered tripping in international hockey because of the potential for the checking player to be unbalanced and fly into the boards out of control, risking serious injury. It is a big, big no-no everywhere outside of North America.

  142. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    I find EOTP to be dry, virtually unreadable, and soulless. Their posters have no character, heart or anything really. The site is a black hole full of garbage, nothing there but dirty weirdos who spew statistical gobblygook to make themselves feel important.

    I’m seriously considering busting out my SBNATION account that I use to troll StanleyCupOfChowder and wreaking havoc on EOTP.

  143. Chris, 27 August, 2013

    Steve Yzerman was routinely left off Canada Cup teams until the mid-1990’s, and he was one of the top-5 players in hockey.

    Mike Babcock is an exceptional coach that will pick the players that can execute his gameplan the best. I think Subban will absolutely be there, but I’m not going to sweat it if they take Doughty-Weber-Seabrook instead. That is a pretty formidable group and all three have been there before. Doughty would have to falter mightily to not be named given his excellent playoff performances the past couple of seasons, and there is simply no way Weber is left off the team. Seabrook is vulnerable, but his partnership with Keith (who is pretty close to a lock) gives him an unfair advantage.

  144. Epic, 27 August, 2013

    he has made an enemy of every NHLer except for those on Boston. His teammates will hate his guts. If I had this guy as a teammate, I’d “accidentally” shoot the puck into his head first chance I got.

  145. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    Doughty has really lost a step IMO since his 59 point season in 2009-10. He hasn’t cracked 40 in the three seasons since. He was decent in the Kings cup run, great in the finals, but I found him invisible in this years playoffs.

    Subban should be higer than Doughty on the depth chart IMO. Pair him with Weber on the powerplay can you say SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS! SHOTS!, EVERYBOOOODDAAY!

  146. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    True, except Marchand has not (nor will he likely ever) won and NHL award or shown elite talent at all.

  147. HardHabits, 28 August, 2013

    HIO can piss much farther and higher than EOTP.

  148. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Doughty was focussing more on his defensive game the past couple of seasons, and you are right that he wasn’t as good this season as the Stanley Cup run. I also agree that he lost a step though…Doughty has actually had trouble keeping slim. When he bulks up (and it usually hasn’t been in a good way), he slows noticeably.

    That being said, I expect he will be full speed next season with a shot at the Olympics on the line.

  149. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    We are like the NHL, they think themselves to be like the WHA when they are actually the Central League of sports websites.

  150. mksness, 28 August, 2013

    Doughty also ran into a few injury problems which didn’t help.

  151. commandant, 28 August, 2013


    You said in the last thread, “First, I really don’t think my “expertise” is relevant enough to warrant getting my own column or the role of contributor to one of these sites.”

    Don’t sell yourself short, if you ever changed your mind there would be room for you at LWOS. On top of that, I’d never ask you to stop participating or being a part of the H I/O Community either.

    This is a great place to talk hockey, and you are one of my favorite people to read on here.

    I’m not trying to change your mind or your opinion on writing for a blog. Just stating that you really do have more than the required “expertise” and shouldn’t sell yourself short in that way.

    We may not always agree, but know that I do respect your opinions.

    Go Habs Go!
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  152. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Certainly more yellower. Think dehydration yellow

  153. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    I think billy boy was trying to prove a point

  154. mksness, 28 August, 2013

    you’re being way too nice on this site…way too nice.

  155. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    Ben is very nice, but many of us on this site are. We have our disagreements and we have our characters, but it represents people as a whole and how most people are in the real world. There are nice people, there are jerks, there are trolls and people in between. One thing is for sure that it is a nice community in general and the regulars here usually treat everyone with respect, even if they disagree with some opinions.

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  156. Mc, 28 August, 2013

    I assume you are already planning a trip through the Whiskey Museum in Edinborough……I don’t know if they still do, but when I was there, they had free samples……

    Glen Farclas is a good distillery to visit as well……


  157. chanchilla, 28 August, 2013

    my dad could totally beat their dad up.

  158. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Berkshire returns! Great times.

    The rest of my comment wasn’t necessary, so I deleted it.

  159. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    It’s a big no no in North America too. It doesn’t happen that often, and it rarely gets penalised, but everyone who’s played knows it’s dirty

  160. chanchilla, 28 August, 2013

    why wouldn’t he go, if anything were to actually happen it would kind of prove his point about this site, we’re all grown ups here, he had a difference of opinion and left the site. He now has an opinion about this site in which hes perfectly entitled to. The summit has nothing to do with any of this.

  161. chanchilla, 28 August, 2013

    You’re the reason they say we have a crap community.

  162. Habitant in Surrey, 28 August, 2013

    …hmmm, I have just read We have signed that big slow galoot Douglas Murray

    …I felt Bergevin was going to add another big body, yet surprised it is the Scottish Swede Pachyderm

    …it will be interesting to see how Our Fans take to His galumphing around the ice

    …too bad that it’s unavoidable in today’s NHL We must match another team’s ponderous pachyderm troglodyte with Our own equally ponderous pachyderm troglodyte

  163. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    How about DD?

  164. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    Consultant?! I thought you were a dog. (i am now confused)

  165. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    Does anyone know if Front’s alive after his whiskey tour?

  166. Habitant in Surrey, 28 August, 2013

    …as per TSN’s talkin’ heads; Luongo, Carey Price (back-up) and Smith are prohibitive choices as Canada’s selected goaltenders for Sochi

    …how in the World are they overlooking Crawford ???

    …there is a way to go before the Olympic break, Luongo and Carey may show Us they are the best choices by that time, but as of now those 2’s yips when under pressure recently do not leave Me feeling assured of Canada’s goaltending edge

  167. Habitant in Surrey, 28 August, 2013

    …I believe He said He doesn’t leave until next month

    …currently He’s still in ‘pre-season conditioning mode’

  168. Marc10, 28 August, 2013

    With Olympics on the line for many guys, I expect the Habs to come flying out of the gate. Can’t wait to see if Chucky can crack a seat at the big table.

  169. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    @Andrew. My comment in regard to you not having what it takes to appear at this years Summit is far from a veiled or out in the open threat as you have endeavoured to make it appear. All are welcome to attend all functions of the Summit, whether it be the game or some of the side attractions as the organizers have eluded to in many posts here. I personally will not be making the trip so how would that be a threat to you. Hard to confront from 930 km away and I am not that type of person anyway. Your little charade to mask your mild contempt for some people on here has never gone unnoticed.
    No Andrew I don’t think you have the parts it takes to look eye to eye with the many good people on this site that attend the Summit or for that matter the representatives of the Gazette who frequent the different side functions each year. As far as the mature aspect of your last comment maybe you should revisit that thought.

  170. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Eeee-OUCH Sportfan! Only a tiny number of wackos still into the semtex. Aren’t there a few nut-cases everywhere? There is still tension in Northern Ireland, but 99% of the population now express it and work it out via means other than violence.

    Meanwhile, yes. Hurling is very big here! The annual summer-long inter-county championship concludes in September with the All-Ireland Hurling Championship Finals.

    That always gets a great laugh back home.

  171. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Don’t forget the Laphroaigh, Front. Maybe first try to visit a house where there’s a turf fire. Drinking Laphroaigh is like drinking a turf fire.

  172. commandant, 28 August, 2013

    The funny thing is how he doesn’t like this site, but the moment anyone says anything about him, he’s very quick to respond.

    Me thinks that despite bashing the people here, he reads nearly every word that is written.

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  173. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    I think the changes are improvements, I think Diaz will be better, and there’s the chance that Markov’s knee will be stronger with more time elapsed since the surgery and rehab.
    But I keep trying to hold back my unrealistic sense that this is now a solid D. Maybe it will be, but probably not quite yet. I think we’re in fact waiting for the blossoming of the boys waiting in the wings.

  174. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Because booze makes people act silly. Who knows what might go down? Gozer the gozerian might return.

  175. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Good Morning morning crew

    Interesting comments yesterday from Coach Therrien regarding Alex Galchenyuk.

    Coach T says AG will start on the wing again this year, and it will be his progression that will dictate exactly when he takes a Top 6 C spot. No time frame was mentioned.

    There really is no rush when you consider the Habs have Plekanec and hopefully Eller as their 1-2 C guys – at least it better be those 2, if Eller gets back to how he finished last year.

    Said Therrien (translated):

    ” Offensively, AG has to continue to create good situations along with – how he will read the play without the puck – his quickness on loose pucks – gaining a better maturity level concerning defence, then faceoff performance.”


    Therrien went on to say the AG took part in all the PP and PK meetings last year and eventually he will play both.

    Great news as our PP was 24th last season and we were only 1 of 2 teams that did not score a short handed goal.
    Moen had the most minutes on PK for all Habs forwards.
    And yes, the most important PK player is your goalie…

    Back in the last complete season of 2011/12, the NJ Devils were absolutely incredible on the PK as they lead the NHL with an 89.6%.
    They only gave up 37 PP goals against, yet scored an amazing 15 short handed goals.
    Back then, they used 4 of their best offensive forwards for top PK time that being Parise-Zubrus-Elias-Henrique.

    Interestingly enough, that same year the Habs ranked 2nd while they used Plekanec and Eller for 1st Unit.
    Habs also scored 10 Short handed goals which ranked 4th best in the NHL.
    It’s time to move Moen off the PK

  176. CharlieHodgeFan, 28 August, 2013

    The moment you start trolling anyone, you stop discussing as a thinking adult. Why waste your time and talent?

  177. Marc10, 28 August, 2013

    Wow. Just watched the TSN panel selection… Wha?! Bergeron as the 5th center behind Getzlaf? Seriously…? And Kunitz on the team… Nah.

    Perry, St Louis, Sharp, Marchand… Heck even Bergeron… Any of those guys would be better than Kunitz.

  178. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    He needs to play more than the 12:19 ave. per game he played last year during the season, and the 13 minutes per game he played in the playoffs.

  179. tophab, 28 August, 2013

    pk is best player in nhl bar none.

  180. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    That isn’t quite true. Certain individuals here have been attacking Berkshire and his site pretty relentlessly since he left. He only responded yesterday.

  181. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Morning all.
    Thanks for advice on varifocals/progressives.
    @2ndthought: Yes, County Meath. Why don’t Canadians buy meat at their local butchers?
    Good luck to any teachers/profs starting soon. Also to kids/grandkids.

    Ok, enough “garbage”. On the topic de jour, I remain purposely ignorant of Corsi and Fenwick, not because I am averse to them but because I was scarred by a statistics module I did in college. I remain frightened. It means that my hockey observations/opinions here can usually be dismantled with the aid of the statistics I myself didn’t employ before making them. But I don’t mind. A good case in point is what looks to me like Montreal needing a better presence around the blue paint at both ends — a viewpoint which apparently can be countered with stats.

    I recall our “garbage” “family” not always being all that welcoming to some honest but lesser lights of the stats persuasion, eg Steve O who only ever offers an opinion and never (in my experience) attempted to ram it down anyone’s throat. Maybe we should watch that.

    In the end, it’s good there’s endless variety on the web. Those who find the community aspect of HIO too much like “family” can always choose to reduce or eliminate their presence here and visit sites that suit them better.

    As for PK’s Olympic prospects — we’re getting riled WAY too early! Nothing matters, not the Norris, not previous Norrises, nor salaries nor reputations — except how the first three months of the season go. Babcock will be hell-bent on winning, and has the luxury of an elite pool of D-men from which to choose. If PK stays elite, and maybe even grows, between now and the Games, he’s in. If others play better than he does, Babcock will do what he has to do in order to win.

    But really, do any of us actually feel there’s a chance PK will slump?

    Cheers to all

  182. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Don’t be too concerned about TSN. They have to talk about something…

    In another interview yesterday, Yzerman stated there were only 10 locks and 15 spots open. That’s huge and really means the first 3 months play (and injuries) will dictate the rest of the team.

  183. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    (and DD)

    Morning RonN.

  184. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013


  185. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    10 locks? I find that too many.

  186. CharlieHodgeFan, 28 August, 2013

    I loved watching Gallagher last season and I hope I love watching him this one.
    I loved the story of the overlooked, disrespected small guy making it on the basis of heart, and showing that he was a good NHLer in spite of his height. The problem is, I’m talking about Desharnais.
    While history does not repeat itself and all small players don’t follow the same trajectory, they do face similar challenges. I hope they can both put it together this season, and both play with the heart that got them to this level.
    The second season is a tough one. If Gallagher starts slowly or has a little trouble adjusting to how the league will have adjusted to him, I hope the fans stay off his case.

  187. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Thought McKenzie and the ‘other guy’ said that while Luongo and Price are considered 2 of top 3 both must have bounce back years.

    Sane ‘panel’ which placed P.K as 6th D. with Petriangelo etc ahead of him.

  188. Marc10, 28 August, 2013

    Good Morning MR,

    It’s a safe bet he will. By all accounts this kid is a champ through and through. High end skills, trains like a pro, solid blood lines… The Habs were right to bring him up last year and they kept the reigns tight. The kid showed poise and great maturity. What a champion! I would expect he’ll make steady progress throughout the season and really bring it on in the second half of the season. We’ll certainly need a high flying Chucky if this team hopes to make the show.

  189. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    I see 8 not counting goalies

  190. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    YES! I am the Key Master!

  191. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Hi Marc
    Couldn’t agree more.

  192. Marc10, 28 August, 2013

    Ten locks eh…

    1) Crosby
    2) Toews
    3) Stamkos
    4) Weber
    5) Doughty
    7) Tavares
    8) Duncan Keith
    9) Nash
    10) Stall

    I would assume those are the 10. And I’d probably put the last 2 or 3 on some kind of bubble too depending on their health.

    My list would have Bergeron in there. He’s a big game performer and has superb hockey IQ.

  193. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    OK ready for another one of my pet peeves?

    Corsi isn’t “advanced” or complicated. It’s just shots for versus shots against while you’re on the ice. Hard to imagine anything simpler.

    The problem with the whole advanced stats approach is that the data aren’t advanced and the stats non-existent.

    1. The data. Most stats-heads are bloggers who don’t have the time or resources to obtain decent data. All they have is official NHL stats on shots and time on ice. You can get that in 3 mouse clicks. What would be good data? Video evidence of a defender’s ability to move the puck out of his zone for example. This would require watching hours and hours of video.

    2. The stats. There aren’t any. I’ve never seen a single p-value in any hockey stats analysis. It means nothing to say player A had a better number than player B unless you have some measure of the variance.

  194. CharlieHodgeFan, 28 August, 2013

    If those kids in the other gang over on that other street want to call us names, well then maybe the Stats and The Family may have to rumble at the baseball diamond behond the arena, eh?
    Or we could grow up, meet them in a bar, talk like people and discover we have more in common than what divides us – it happened to me with the French/English gangs of my childhood. The French guys were actually kind of cool, once all our pimples had dried up and our lives had become intriguing.
    I get absolutely furious watching the Bruins beat the Habs, and I hope the reasonable and kind of fun to talk to Bruins fans I know get just as mad when the Habs beat their team. I like many Bruins fans, leafs fans, and even the Coyotes fan. Corsi, or Fenwick, or my expertise, Dimwit – we all just get excited hearing skates slice the ice, and watching a fast and beautiful game with inconsistent refereeing.
    But I even like the NHL refs I’ve met, if you really talk to them.

  195. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    I knew I shouldn’t have shared my vulnerability.

    It’s a good start, HF72, and thanks. But I might need hypnotherapy to take the next step. Ever done it?

  196. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Great post.
    (But that last line — a new figure for Jesus dining with tax-collectors!)

  197. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Missed it (but we both know I do that a lot).

    That being said, I think people have a tendency to underestimate how good Chris Kunitz actually is, mostly because of who he gets to play with. Kunitz is definitely not a modern Rob Brown.

  198. mksness, 28 August, 2013

    Gally is fun to watch. always plays at 110%. i really hope the coaching staff and team mix things up a bit to keep him going as teams will be preparing for him this year.

    For DD, uhhhhhhhh not say he doesn’t try but i would like to see more effort and don’t fall off your skates every time someone bumps you. Last year was a short season which might have just messed up a few guys timing or what not.

  199. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Good Morning!

    Which is about as daring a statement as I dare make.

  200. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Gallagher strikes me as a player who is 100% honest when he says he is taking nothing for granted. You often hear different plays say things like this, along with other cliche’s but I really do get the sense Gallagher means what he says. Very hard to not really like this kid, I just hope he can stay healthy, he sure takes his share of hard knocks.

  201. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Whisper-out (too early in the morning to shout) to the stats gatherers who enabled the calculation of Corsi for Boyd Gordon of the Phoenix Coyotes. Do you really have to watch a player game after game to get these stats? What if you had to go to the bathroom?

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  202. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    It would be hard not to include 28 year old Seabrook on the lock list. He was there in 2010 and played Top 2-3 D in ToI in all situations – even strength-PK-PP for the Cup winning Hawks.

  203. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Gallagher should be fine, and the additions of Parros, Murray, and a healthy Prust will stop morons like Phaneuf trying to decapitate him as he tried last year. If that happens, Parros will tap Lady Di/on on the shoulder and tell him to play nice or else.

    As for the other guy, it will all depend where MT slots Eller…who should be given every opportunity for Top 6 minutes and PP time.
    We’ll see…

  204. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Hey MRonn.
    His detractors may call him out for his TIO choices for certain players, but MT is very good at getting the kids ready, especially if they have skills. I’m hoping Chucky and Gally can adjust quickly to being more closely checked and learn to fight through all the bs opponents will throw at them.

  205. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Read through most of the thread/s regarding comments made on EOTP. I have to say I really no interest in bashing another site. And while I rarely remember to go to their website, I often read the articles there when someone links it here, and whether I agree or not, I just love to read articles regarding our Habs.

    I do have to say that reading through the thread, Chris brought up a name from the past whom I always enjoyed here at HI/O, and that was crosseye mofo. That guy has a great and witty sense of humour, and I was fortunate to share a few pints with him at a Summit along with JD. I do miss those guys a great deal on this site as I love when folks can include humour with some bright hockey knowledge.

    As for someone calling this site garbage, or whatever it was that was written, let’s not get too worked up. Maybe what all of us (including folks at EOTP) really need is a full NHL season of hockey followed up with some playoff hockey.

    Morning everyone.

  206. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013


  207. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Hi Cal
    I believe MT did a great job with the young guys along with the way he handled the 3 Dman call ups. That’s a lot of rookies going on in a short season.
    He protected them well with starts and they will most probably be put in tougher situations this year.
    A little concern about Gallagher’s D.

  208. Marc10, 28 August, 2013

    Yep… One of the best Hawks. Big goals during that cup run.

  209. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Hi Ireland.
    Nope, not going there

  210. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Gallagher could be one of the players who benefits the most with the addition of Briere and Parros.

    The addition of Gallagher onto a line with Pacioretty and Desharnais was misguided. First in an ‘unspoken’ fashion and then as a deliberate coaching strategy, this move placed the ‘grit’ or ‘character’ burden for the line on Gallagher’s shoulders.
    Not surprisingly, Gallagher exuberantly ‘accepted’ this responsibility. It both detracted from his game and resulted in physical decline. Hopefully this will not be necessary in 2013-2014.

    As a huge fan of Gallagher, I hope he uses the mixture of physicality and play-making which vaulted him onto the top line in his short stint in Hamilton and won him a spot on the big team.

    His comments show his main attribute. He works at his game. As Chris pointed out, concentration of defensive improvement will benefit him more than trying to bring too much ‘net presence character’ which while noticed and lauded by both MT and MB could derail a very good NHL 2nd line prospect.

  211. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Agree bud, morning my friend.

  212. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Hey Burly,

    Agree with you. My only but is that the ones pissing on this site were given opportunities here. Besides the fact that hockey is played on the ice and not an Excel spread sheet. 😉

  213. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Much too daring, I’d say, trini.

  214. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    You’re right. There is always the “bathroom variable” that is embedded with the other numbers.

  215. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Couldnt reply under it but I agree that if one is gonna have players ‘locked in as selections’ now, then Seabrook has to be a lock.

    Of course, I admit that I like Seabrook’s game better than even Weber’s.. but that is just me.

  216. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    I hear you Cal, and I understand why people got worked up. Perhaps at this years Summit some folks will meet each other in person, it always helps to meet someone in the person.

  217. sholi2000.com, 28 August, 2013

    I haven’t been a regular all summer. It’s the off season, and well it’s summer. But when I have been on here, almost daily I see someone slamming a writer over there. I can imagine it get’s to you. I’m in the people pleasing business. If someone were to trash my work on a daily basis I imagine I would lose it too.

    But here’s the thing. If this kind of garbage posting continues, I’ll be gone faster than you can say Bruins Suck. This site is better than that, it was better than that. The members here aren’t 12 year old kids who cry every time someone makes fun of Halak, or Price, or Gomez, or Boone.

    Members here need to stop trashing them. They aren’t TSN, or CBC, they’re not professionals. They’re a bunch of fans with opinions.

    I don’t read their opinions, if I want a fans opinion I’ll read it here. But to those trashing them on a daily basis guess what, they’re people, and you brought it on yourself.

    Enough, like I said earlier, this site was better than that crap yesterday.

    You want to destroy a good site, continue with the schoolyard antics. Not a fun way to start the day, I better pick up a brush, and do what I do best, get happy, and care less.

    Have a great day peoples, it’s still summer, and there isn’t anything going on in the hockey world that needs to be wrote, read, or discussed.

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    Custom Sports Figures
    Summit Member 00029.31

  218. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Morning Burly! We all have complete control over what we read or sites we visit. It’s kind of like an internal ignore button.

    While I admire Chrisadiens and others passion in defending this site I choose the ignore option. I stopped reading one author on that site last year. I’ll discontinue reading the other now. My choice and would make NO recommendation one way or the other.

    There are differences of opinion on here often. Most times those differences and arguments are made in an educated non threatening manner. I have many friends -yes, I do have friends – who have completely different views on life as me. Socialist. Ultra-conservative. Agnostic. Atheist. I’m surrounded by them all and welcome them heartily into my life. It’s how I learn and I hope it’s of some benefit to them as well.

    This site and the internet in general is a lot like that. I’ll read it all until I’m sickened by a remark that is insulting, racist or hateful in some way. Then I’m gone.

    We all have the power of choice. I often post about a HIO future which contains an ignore button. I’ve built my own.

    Let’s talk some hockey. CHeers.

  219. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Good morning!
    I had not read the article yet as I try and catch up on the overnite-am posts before I read the linked articles.
    Your “Gallagher.. 100% honest” caught my attention especially when you added the “stay healthy” hope. That triggered my reaction cause it was one of my fears for him as last season played itself out.
    Now that I have read the article, I am convinced that he himself has thought about the same issues and feels the burden ‘lifted’. Note his mention of the names Murray, Prust, and Parros.

    We both are huge fans of Gallagher and can relax now I think.
    …. providing MB and MT use caution in their demands on the ‘character aspect’ of his play.

  220. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    To get your goat (but leaving your worms alone), Canada’s U-18 Women’s Ice Hockey team beat the US 3-2 in a Lake Placid exhibition game last weekend.*

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  221. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013


  222. Bill, 28 August, 2013

    Trini, are you seriously suggesting that the addition of Prust reduces the risk of Gallagher getting injured?

  223. Bill, 28 August, 2013

    About post below, read Parros for Prust

  224. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Good morning all. Someone asked yesterday what Galchenyuk’s chances for making the USA Olympic team were. I found a piece in Sports Illustrated that says his chances are good.

    Take a look at the choices Team USA have in net. Holy crap.


  225. commandant, 28 August, 2013

    I could see him making it as the 13th or 14th forward if he has a good start to the season. The US isn’t deep at centre, and their organization seems to always want to think about developping leaders for the future by getting them experience at big international tourneys. Just look at the roster from the World Championships the past few years.

    With a 25 man roster and only 22 dressing every night, I could see them taking some kids for the experience.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  226. boing007, 28 August, 2013

    Other news from Scotland: http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/man-threw-bacon-in-mosque-attack-1-3063475

    It could have been worse, he could have sent in a live pig covered in grease.
    Richard R

  227. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Goat gotten. (insert smiley face). It use to be a two team tournament and it probably will still be a North American Gold Medal match-up but it’s interesting to see the rest of the world kind of catching up, huh?

  228. commandant, 28 August, 2013

    There quite simply is no actual evidence to suggest that tougher teams see their players get injured less. People have done studies and the fact is that there is no statistical correlation to man games lost to injury by a team and number of penalty minutes or fighting majors. It just is one of the myths about fighting that remains in the debate but simply is not true.

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  229. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    Would be neat if Galchenyuk was put on the same line as Pacioretty.
    I highly recommend the ice-making 101 article. Ball hockey! Someone should have told me to go to the Saddledome.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  230. Mattyleg, 28 August, 2013

    (an Irish car-bomb is a tastelessly-named drink in North America. Usually a shot of Jamieson dropped into a glass of beer, and you drink the whole thing. Teenage stuff.)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  231. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Hey Jim. It looks like the USA chances for gold at Sochi are good to excellent. Depth throughout the lineup and goalies up the wazoo.
    It’s going to be a very interesting tournament.

  232. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Morning Ben. Do you think he’ll be looked at as a center-man even though MT stated yesterday he’ll continue to play Galchenyuk on the wing?

  233. Mavid, 28 August, 2013


    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  234. Hobie Hansen, 28 August, 2013

    Injury or not, do you like watching Gallagher smacked around after every whistle without so much as a boo from another Habs player?

    Last year on many occasions when Prust was either injured, on a different line or engaged in other activities, Gallagher took a serious beating with no retaliation.

    This year, Prust will be freed up a bit more, thanks to Parros, to at least intervene when somebody is cross checking Gallagher into the ice.

    You have to be pretty messed up in the head to enjoy watching Gallagher fight for his life out there without so much as one teammate saying that’s not OK?

  235. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    It’s not a question of injuries.
    It’s a question of how a smaller guy plays if he knows someone has his back.

    Do you think Marchand plays the way he does if he didn’t have the Bruins swarm ?
    And then what about Kadri who openly admitted having Orr and McLaren allowed him to do things he wouldn’t normally do if they weren’t there

  236. Chrisadiens, 28 August, 2013

    Well, last night was fun…not.

    Waking up this morning I have a feeling that I’ve been duped. I took the bait. I normally use the ignore option but for whatever reason, that wasn’t going to happen last night. Insulting me is fine but insulting my friends is another story. They got me. They got me good.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  237. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    They’ll be good but will they be as good as Team Canada and Russia? And Sweden is gonna be formidable as well. It’s going to be just wonderful hockey to watch.

  238. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    Brings back memories of Christopher Morehouse throwing a banana at Wayne Simmonds at the London Ice House. Hate crimes based on religious and racial bigotry.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  239. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    Serge Savard.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  240. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    As someone said yesterday, your passion was a thing of beauty. In case anyone missed it, HE TAKES AFTER HIS MOTHER! (insert huge smiley face).
    Back in the will!

  241. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    .Ken Mosdell (1951-1956)
    Marcel Bonin (1958-1962)
    Red Berenson (1963)
    Bryan Watson (1964-1965)
    John Hanna (1964)
    Danny Grant (1966)
    Garry Peters (1967)
    Andre Boudrias (1967)
    Serge Savard (1968-1981)
    Jeff Brubaker (1982)
    Bill Root (1983-1984)
    Tom Kurvers (1985-1987)
    Mathieu Schneider (1988-1990)
    Denis Savard (1991-1993)
    Valeri Bure (1995-1998)

  242. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Or not LOL!

    Case in point our Prime Ministers vis-a-vis the serving President of their time.

    Some revealing reading.




    The second exchange is quite interesting since it seems to hint at Nixon having called Trudeau to commiserate on some earlier event/scandal. Note also the mis-use of the word ‘incidence’ by Nixon but which suits the the cloak and dagger atmosphere.

  243. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    What a player and a decent GM as well. Funny how if Serge played for just about any other team but the Canadiens, his number would most likely be retired. The retire number bar is set so high on Montreal.

  244. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Morning Ron aka Ronn. Some nice players on your list as well.

  245. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Check out the definition of scoring chances for another example. Nothing particularly advanced there.

  246. doc359, 28 August, 2013

    I think he will. He played effectively at center when he was given a shot, and I wouldn’t doubt he gets a few tries at center throughout the year when injuries occur.

    Not to mention, with that 13th forward spot, you want to have a player who can fill in on any line, in any position. Gally seems to fit that mold as a guy who can play both wing and center, has a great offensive game, and can really contribute defensively.

    unrelated: thanks for all you guys being up and going already, gives me a good start to my day

  247. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Seabrook had a relatively weak year last year in the regular season, which is reflected by the almost 3 minute per game cut to his ice time and his frequent demotions from the top pairing.

  248. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    Sergei Bobrovsky in goal for the Russian Bear is not too intimidating. Wonder if Markov was invited to try out? Wonder if Kovalchuk will un-retire for Sochi?

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  249. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013


    This looks like the US pecking order at center
    Kesler, Stepan, Pavelski, Backes, Galchenyuk

    On the left side, it looks like this
    Parise, Pacioretty, Ryan, Van Riemsdyk

  250. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Not in the ‘direct’ manner you are suggesting. May I refer you to Gallagher’s own words in the article (which I read after my post) and ask if you dont see some similarity of thought in the ‘physicality burden’ which I am saying was progressively placed on Gallagher’s shoulders.

    It may make me appear conceited, but I think my words captured his views on what the acquisitions mean to him as a player. I got excited after I read the article because it allayed my fears that he would enter the season trying too much to be the ‘net presence character’ type guy MB lauded in his post season conference.

    Just my ‘read’ and my opinion anyways, which I simply spoke aloud.

  251. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    He was clearly nearly and wearily out of gas when he arrived in Winnipeg via a trade but when the Jets immediately appointed him captain, it demonstrated the tremendous respect hockey fans in Winnipeg had for this honoured torch-bearer. No one matches Jean Beliveau for being the classiest of the classiest, but Serge was cut from that cloth. One of his finer moments was standing up to Dave Schultz when Big Bird wasn’t on the ice. Serge got bloodied but the maniac Hammer backed off a bit after a few blows landed.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  252. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Excellent point about position flexibility. Hadn’t considered that. CHeers.

  253. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    I now know you condone fighting in NHL hockey.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  254. Mattyleg, 28 August, 2013

    So England won the Ashes, but the final rush of excitement was killed by the umpires, who prematurely ended the match because of bad light. A sadly fitting ending for a series marred by bad umpiring.

    For anyone who complains about NHL refereeing, take a look at international cricket. There are only 4 non-English or Australian umpires in the world who can referee test matches, and because of the rule of not using ‘home’ umpires, these 4 have to umpire in all five 5-day matches of the England-Australia series, regardless of how crap they have proven themselves to be.

    And just to chime in on AB; I remember meeting him at the summit a few years ago, and said “Oh, hi! You came!” to which he replied, “Of course. I’m not afraid.”

    I remember thinking, “afraid…? What the hell’s he talking about? Why on Earth would he be afraid?”

    I’ve got nothing against the fellow, but I think that people sometimes reap what they sow. It ain’t what you say but the way that you say it, as the old song doesn’t go.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  255. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    I agree. Kunitz is a tough guy who can put the puck in the net. He doesn’t get enough credit. Same with Dupuis, who definitely brings something to the table.

  256. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Hope I not disqualified from further contribution in HIO when I admit that I never realized his number was not retired. WOW!

    One of the easiest images on ice to recapture. Smoother than acclaimed.

  257. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    They paid you a compliment in their comments section last night at 9:22 pm but then there was a vulgar slam of another HIO poster. Their mods operate differently.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  258. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    You miss Valeri Bure too, huh?

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  259. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Seabrook was far from weak
    It was more like Hjalmarsson and Oduya stepping up in other situations – more balance

  260. doc359, 28 August, 2013

    Kovalchuk is already playing in the KHL so he will for sure be on the team. I see Radulov and the other big names that went to the KHL making it as well, as Russia really wants to promote it.

    Markov seems like a likely Olympian though I wouldn’t mind him sitting out and resting for a few weeks. Save the tournament for those that aren’t going to be worn out by it

  261. 24 Cups, 28 August, 2013

    Just a point of information but Serge Savard’s #18 was retired by the Habs in 2006.

    Montreal Canadiens retired numbers:

    1 Jacques Plante G 1953-63 October 7, 1995
    2 Doug Harvey D 1947-61 October 26, 1985
    3 Emile Bouchard D 1941-56 December 4, 2009
    4 Jean Beliveau C 1952-71 October 9, 1971
    5 Bernie Geoffrion RW 1950-64 March 11, 2006
    7 Howie Morenz C 1923-34 November 2, 1937
    9 Maurice Richard RW 1943-60 October 6, 1960
    10 Guy Lafleur RW 1971-85 February 16, 1985
    12 Dickie Moore LW 1953-63 November 12, 2005
    Yvan Cournoyer RW 1964-79 November 12, 2005
    16 Henri Richard C 1955-75 December 10, 1975
    Elmer Lach C 1940-54 December 4, 2009
    18 Serge Savard D 1967-81 November 18, 2006
    19 Larry Robinson D 1972-89 November 19, 2007
    23 Bob Gainey LW 1974-89 February 23, 2008
    29 Ken Dryden G 1970-79 January 29, 2007
    33 Patrick Roy G 1985-95 November 22, 2008
    99 1 Wayne Gretzky C – February 6, 2000[35]

  262. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Not as much as Bill Root

  263. secretdragonfly, 28 August, 2013

    Anyone heard from Front yet this morning?


  264. Chrisadiens, 28 August, 2013

    I have no words…lol.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  265. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    Bill Root didn’t last long but had the potential to be as good as Bill Nyrop and Bob Murdoch.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  266. junyab, 28 August, 2013

    Here’s hoping Gallagher’s production doesn’t shrink this year…the Desharnais haters will have a new target for their hate club.

  267. Eddie, 28 August, 2013


    re Hudon, his skating ability and speed. Here’s my take, for whatever it’s worth.

    There are guys who are the fastest skaters on the ice regularly, and some of them actually contribute very little to the offensive side of the game.

    There are players who will never be the fastest on the ice, but they are certainly fast enough, and they contribute so much to the offence that their coaches can’t stop throwing them out there.

    Hudon fits nicely into the 2nd group.

    He will need to fill out and add about 20 pounds of muscle and speed so he can play in the NHL at 5’10, 195, which is very acceptable.

    If his back does not kill his career, Hudon will make the Habs in a few seasons as a top 9 forward and likely force his way towards a 2nd line role over time.

    He is a very clever and very talented player who is gifted with the ability to create offence and to bury the chances he gets. But he will never be confused with the fastest skater on the ice, nor does he have to be.

  268. Sam Boni, 28 August, 2013

    You were also paid a compliment at EOTP last night.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  269. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Appears as though Emelin is on track for the end of November

    Therrien said Emelin is recovering well. End of November still the target. Therrien saw him in Brossard yesterday during therapy.

    Therrien a aussi dit qu’Emelin guérit bien. On vise tjrs la fin novembre. Therrien l’a vu hier puisqu’il a sa rééducation à Brossard

  270. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    I am an idiot. Thanks 24.

  271. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Me not you Trini. I get a game misconduct.

  272. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Habs will already have played 27 games by the end of Novemeber.

  273. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    That Phaneuf head hunting run at Gallagher, and ensuing reluctance to answer to Prust for it, was one of the more dispicable sequences I can recall from last season.

    Sure, it was against our guy so it makes my blood boil a bit more then usual.

    But, Prust also played nice and didn’t just start throwing shots. Chara didn’t like what Emelin did to Seguin and didn’t give AE the option.

    Hopefully Parros gets a hold of Phaneuf.

    I’m not a big fan of the goons. But if we’ve got one… Let’s let Dion be the first Leaf introduced to him.

  274. Cal, 28 August, 2013


  275. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    @hobie. Amen amigo! Our “Angels of Retribution” will watch over Gally.Saludos!

  276. Mattyleg, 28 August, 2013

    In which article did all this posting happen, btw?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  277. RiverviewCanadien, 28 August, 2013

    Summertime…I don’t post very often here in the off season, although I do check for new threads and skim over some posts.

    I have no idea what started yesterday with Andrew (and EOTP), nor do I care what about the antics people were up.

    I did read Shane’s (Sholi2000) post this morning and I have to agree 100%.

  278. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Stop! This is the internet. Only other posters can hurl insults at you, even if they’re not Irish. I’m covering your back, J., so you don’t get banana’d from the internet.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  279. 24 Cups, 28 August, 2013

    The bridge contract debate continues.


    I wonder what will happen when Galchenyuk’s turn comes in two years.

  280. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    Heard that word “potential” somewhere else…

  281. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    Whoa! I draw the line at worms in the Mezcal!

  282. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    The “Welcome Mike Obrand” one. Chocolate On Vanilla, and Sonny M posted some nice things about HIO commentary, and it unleashed a bevy of non-nice things being posted.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  283. secretdragonfly, 28 August, 2013

    November is MUCH better than January.

  284. secretdragonfly, 28 August, 2013

    Very glad to hear it!

  285. Hobie Hansen, 28 August, 2013

    Again, injuries or not, you cross check Gallagher in the back of the head, you better be ready to have Prust, White, Moen or Parros drop the gloves and come after you or for Murray, Emelin or Subban destroy you with a huge open ice hit.

    Looks like we finally have a team with some balls here!

    love it!

  286. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    I still don’t understand how that works.

    When White “went after” another player last year he got a 5 min instigator which cost us the game and got him benched for several games thereafter.

    When Emelin “went after” Lucic with a huge open ice hit …. well we all know what happened.

  287. 24 Cups, 28 August, 2013

    Jim – LOL. Brain cramps are my specialty. I can remember all the line combinations from the late 50’s Hab teams but can’t remember where I parked my car at the mall.

  288. Maritime Ronn, 28 August, 2013

    It doesn’t appear he will be ‘Markoved’

  289. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    OK my last comments on the great schism.

    1. Neither H I/O nor EOTP are closed communities. We shouldn’t generalize too much about either one.

    2. People here attacked Berkshire long before yesterday’s kerfuffle.

    3. How does the fact that there’s an H I/O charity event mean that no one who posts to H I/O should ever be criticized (also known as the Lance Armstrong gambit)? Three separate individuals made threats of physical violence against Mr Berkshire last night. Are they immune from criticism because they happen to post on the same site as Ian (who organizes the charity event)?

    4. I always thought Pat Hickey was perfectly within his rights to criticize Theoren Fleury.

  290. La Duke 16, 28 August, 2013

    I just picked up the Canada Cup 1976 dvds. I am having a blast watching them with my kids.

    A couple of observations from 1976:
    Bobby Orr is amazing! I am to young to have an appreciation for his true skills. With medical procedures of today, that guy could have played another 7 years on those knees.
    LaFleur is just a treat to watch with the puck – although he did not have a great scoring series.
    Gainey could really skate. I never knew he could fly around the ice like that.
    Esposito looks like Rocky Balboa from the first Rocky movie. They have the same mug.
    Roggie played great in nets. Out of position a lot, but didn’t matter.

  291. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    The Hickey/Fleury situation was certainly a contentious issue, which created a great deal of animosity here. I didn’t agree with Hickey’s views, but he indeed had the right to do so.

    As for Mr. Berkshire, I met him in person and he seemed like a nice young guy. I have to go with Matty on this one though, he just seems to get a little too argumentative, as some of us do on occasion I might add. I am sure I will see him at the Summit this year and will enjoy a drink with him, regardless of Corsi or Fenwick! :)

    CHeers HF72

  292. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    You can find a lot of articles over at Blackhawks fan sites about Seabrook’s struggles last year. He had a very off season, but made up for it with a great playoffs.

    Hjalmarsson and Oduya definitely played well, and Roszival was the big ice-time beneficiary. Keith also saw his ice time cut from the previous year, but Seabrook was really struggling in March and April. After only playing less than 20 minutes in 2 games last season and 2 of the first 26 games of this season, Seabook failed to top 20 minutes in 8 of the Blackhawks’ last 20 games.

    His hit totals were still there and his offence was fine, but he was struggling defensively. He also had a blip in the playoffs against Detroit, having his ice time cut drastically for a couple of games, before bouncing back.

  293. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Like Hudon a lot too… but have very big doubts re him ever getting enough of that ‘fill out and muscle’ to make the big club. I hope I am wrong cause he is such a smart player.

  294. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    Andrew… is that you?

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  295. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    Why do I not recall the Fleury/Hickey situation at all?

    Obviously it cause some turmoil, and is probably not worth rehashing… but, man… i’m curious now.

    Off to search the intraweb… (well, that was easy).


  296. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    Enforcers and tough guys are about preventing intimidation,not injuries. If a player feels intimidated, he is not thinking about hockey anymore, so he is not “in the zone” where peak performance occurs. If a goon can help a player like Gallagher feel less intimidated, he has done his job. If he prevents a guy like Gorges from having to fight a guy like Fraser, he has done his job.

    The Leafs-Bruins matchups last year were big snooze-fests because instead of fireworks, both sides decided that they can’t intimidate the other, so they just played hockey. Balance.

    As long as Parros sits against a team like Detroit, the Habs will be fine. Playing Parros against the Leafs is not a disadvantage.

  297. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Ah, the Lance Armstrong gambit. It was so effective for so long despite what common sense should have told people.

    I’ll be curious to see if tennis players ever get scrutinized. There’s at least a few players that are ridiculously fishy.

  298. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Interesting that Jim Corsi has been goalie coach in Buffalo for close to 16 years. I remember him as a goalie with the WHA Nordiques. Seems his “Sabre”-metric tool came out at about the same time as Matt Fenwick’s, around 2007. Stats recorders probably prefer Fenwick’s since they don’t have to watch for who blocked who’s shot.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  299. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    How could TSN figure that Vlasic, Hamhuis, or Marc Staal could get picked over PK. I know they don’t want an “old” team but Dan Boyle also deserves a shot, he was fantastic in 2010.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  300. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Let it go, Freddie. It’s over.

  301. Morenz7, 28 August, 2013

    Is it possible to not hate Desharnais yet hate his contract?

    EDIT: meant to post as a reply below

  302. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    All three shoot left, while Subban shoots right. It is pretty much that simple.

    Subban has not played left defence at the OHL, AHL or NHL level. There is this strange assumption that he can just step in on the left side at the Olympics, despite the quality of the opposition only being the greatest offensive players in the world.

    I would be well and truly shocked to see Babcock select any defenceman to play his off-side. The Olympics are not the time to gamble that a guy might be able to do it.

  303. jackbutt, 28 August, 2013

    It wasn’t the ice house, it was the John Labatt Centre, now called Budweiser Gardens.

  304. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Edit: what twi said.

  305. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    Shane, not sure if you are referring to the posts between Chris and myself with Andrew B last night but if you are would you please comment back. I haven’t been in a schoolyard in about 50 years so maybe you can enlighten me if and I say IF you are referring to me how I would be destroying a good site. Shane, take a few deep breaths, your holier than I stuff is getting a bit thin..

  306. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    The best role that Parros can play is that he can serve as a deterrent without ever actually dressing. Unfortunately, he simply isn’t that good of a fighter, so teams will have no problem risking fights with him. He rarely wins in a convincing enough fashion for the fight to serve as a momentum changer.

    Parros will play 2-5 minutes per game, get into a fight, and be a complete liability in every other aspect of the game when he is dressed.

    As you can probably guess, I’m not a fan. He’s a great guy, like Laraque, but he’s finished as a hockey player. Like Laraque.

  307. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Fleury publicly criticized the “light” sentence given out out to Graham James. Hickey then wrote a Gazette article and gave the opinion that Fleury was possibly disingenuous because the two men were co-owners of the Calgary Hitmen together, before the second round of criminal proceedings started against James. The first round did net a prison sentence for James, as well as a full pardon which then was rescinded after a public outcry. James may have been able to retreat successfully into anonymity in Guadalajara, except for maybe a whistle-blower about the pardon, and the work of CBC’s Fifth Estate investigative team (Bob McEwen, head reporter, I vaguely recall)

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  308. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    Is anyone else distressed when news sites run a story and feel the need to add community reaction, but instead of: “Joe Corsi, a mathmatician from Salmon Arm.” We now get: “One reader going by the name HockeyDude420″

    I understand it’s easy. But man, I just cringe.

  309. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    deleted…was supposed to be a reply.

  310. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    So now I’m out ???

  311. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    The really fun thing: key in on the forwards when they are defending, and watch how many of them are skating backwards in the neutral zone.

    That is the single greatest difference between today’s players and those of the 1980′s and earlier. Everybody in today’s NHL would be an elite skater in previous decades, where the skating was generally not very strong.

  312. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    TSN called Subban an “offensive defenseman” who therefore is weak on defense, which is bogus. He is not being appreciated for his defensive skills.

    The three you mentioned are on left D, so they have a shot to make it. Putting Pietrangelo ahead of Subban is what surprised me, based on their unfair label as an offense-first player.

  313. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    What I meant in this case is his use of Livestrong to deflect criticism of his cheating. Like: if you prosecute me for cheating it’ll sap my energies for curing cancer.

  314. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    I agree.

    For better or for worse, “expertise” isn’t the key component in whether someone gets an audience. Tony Marinaro has an audience. EOTP has an audience.

    You need to know enough obviously, but also have some interesting (and sometimes unique) ideas. And then you need to organize them well. And Chris does all that, just as well as the guys at EOTP.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  315. Say Ash, 28 August, 2013

    Ask Scott Gomez.

  316. JF, 28 August, 2013

    I seldom do more than glance at EOTP. In the days when Robert L. ran it, I used to find his articles interesting but too wordy. Since he left, statistics have been in the ascendant, something I have little patience with, so I mostly ignore the site. But I read some of their criticisms of HIO, and found their wholesale dismissal of the site laughable. HIO is not very different from what it was when it was founded. Some excellent posters have left, others have climbed aboard. There were trolls at the beginning, there are trolls now, and I imagine there always will be. The same goes for stupidity; there has always been a certain amount of it, and there probably always will be. But there are many posters with a lot of hockey knowledge and insight, others with a great sense of humour, others who can argue a point logically and persuasively. Overall it’s a great forum for debate with a real sense of community, where posters are always ready to give each other tips or practical help on anything under the sun. I don’t appreciate hearing the site trashed. Cheers, everyone!

  317. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Missing Link Confirmed! There is a report out today that confirms that somewhere between ape and man existed a creature who was literate in mathematics and capable of memorizing and utilizing statistics? Who knew?

  318. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Good point, twi. I wish more junior coaches would cut down on that stuff. I see it frequently in the OHL and it drives me nuts. Ducking a hit can be as dangerous as cross-checking a guy into the boards from behind.

    The best example was Sami Salo getting submarined when Marchand ducked a perfectly legal hit attempt. Salo ended up blowing out his knee. A different angle, and he could easily have hit the boards awkwardly and broken his neck.

  319. arcosenate, 28 August, 2013

    Letang and PK Subban should be on the team. They both are excellent skaters and are way ahead of Jay Boumeester. Come on!

    And Chris Kunitz wouldn’t be on my team either.

  320. arcosenate, 28 August, 2013

    I hate Lucic so much!! I just wish he was a Hab.

  321. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    I don’t see people trashing EOTP very often. I really don’t.
    And the one serious discussion I can remember EVER about it (my memories not what it was though!) was last night. And I think it brought up old wounds. And I understand it because I remember seeing what a jerk one of those guys was on this forum. You’d disagree politely and he’d jump down your throat. So I don’t blame anyone for reacting in this context. I don’t trash EOTP as a forum because I never go there so have no idea. But as for the people – they are people…. we feel a certain way about Ian, about Timo (who is important in a weird way), and about anyone who works to make themselves heard. You reap what you sow – and that’s what’s going on.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  322. arcosenate, 28 August, 2013


  323. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    The whole Pardon situation in Canada was very enlightening to me, I had no idea that they were handed out as often as they are. I found it shocking actually. I believe you are correct in your recollection of Bob McEwen being the reporter who found the dispicable James.

  324. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Chris, I learn so much from your posts, so this post is meant respectfully. Parros ended Colton Orr’s season in 2011-2012 with a last punch that wasn’t captured well on camera. It served as a launch-pad for I-Know-You-Want-To-Hear-From-Me Brian to rant about rats, when he had to send Orr down to the AHL when recovery was slow for Orr.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  325. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    72, I’m not sure if you are referring to me in regard to physical violence to AB last night but that was sure not the case. If so, please tell of the instance or instances that occurred. My back and forth with him was not a threat at any point..

    Paul ?????

  326. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Kunitz has chemistry with Crosby and he is a relentless forechecker….I am actually always impressed with his tenacity and grit everytime I watch the Pens. I used to think of him as you do but he is really a diff’t palyer than he was in Anaheim…he does a lot of the dirty work for Crosby or Malkin and also has the offensive instincts to keep up with them and at the same time creat havoc in front. I think he definitely plays with Crosby or doesn’t play at all.

  327. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    me too…he actually used to play ball with a cousin of mine in BC and my aunt told me what a polite young boy he was,etc,etc and that he was the nicest kid ever and she couldn’t believe the animal he is on the ice. I wish he were a Hab but as a Bruin I have to dislike….much like Patrice Bergeron and Krejci who are two of the most underrated guys around!

  328. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    To demonstrate how difficult prospect assessments are, take on this challenge: rank the Habs top-9 forwards in terms of their all-around play (offence, defence, leadership, toughness, special teams play, etc.).

    Here’s my list:

    1. Plekanec
    2. Pacioretty
    3. Gionta
    4. Eller
    5. Bourque
    6. Prust
    7. Desharnais
    8. Galchenyuk
    9. Gallagher

    The point: I suspect we will see a pretty hefty amount of variability from poster to poster, and that is for a data set where most of us have a lot of input in the form of games we have watched them play.

    The people that do this for the prospects usually have far less input into their assessments. We should probably take these things with a hefty grain of salt, even while acknowledging the tremendous work that goes into them.

  329. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    HIO’s masterstroke are its Seven Ladies (it’s probably closer to ten, but statistics can be distracting and dull).

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  330. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    Bowmeester shouldn’t even be considered, same for Marc Staal, he’s had injury problems and has not been the same since his concussion a few years back.

    I would leave Doughty off the team IMO. He has done nothing at all in the past three seasons except for a brief flash of greatness in the 2012 finals. He’s washed up and shouldn’t be on the team.

    This is about the present and future of Canadian hockey, Doughty is very much a part of the past.

  331. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    All enforcers are not afraid of each other, otherwise they would be out of a job. But I don’t think the average big defenseman who only gets into a few fights a year would want to go with Parros unless he had to. That’s the guy you want to intimidate.

    You may be right about Parros being washed up as a hockey player, although it’s hard to judge anyone on that wretched Florida team last year, so I will save judgement. But as long as Buffalo and Toronto has Scott and Fraser also only playing 2-5 minutes, its still a level playing field.

    For the record, I would rather see fighting taken out of hockey, but as long as it is a part of the rules, the Habs need an answer for intimidation tactics. The best teams can usually adapt to any style of play. The Flyers were having a good run with intimidation tactics in the 70s until they met Larry Robinson.

  332. arcosenate, 28 August, 2013

    I just don’t thhink he’s as good as St. Louis or Bergeron, and both of them could do wonders with Crosby, they’re both 200 foot players as well.

    I get the Kunitz thing, but the shortened season was the first time he put up anything like a point a game, I wonder how many points the other two would have playing with Crosby?

  333. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    1. Eller
    2. Plekanec
    3. Prust
    4. Gionta
    5. Borque
    6. Gallagher
    7. Galchenyuk
    8. Desharnais
    9. Pacioretty

  334. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    I have to say that this notion that people “attacked Berkshire” to me is ridiculous. it sounds like people FOR NO REASON just started hating the guy.

    Let me tell you something, if YOU act like a jerk, people wil attack you to. And act like a jerk enough, they will attack quicker and with less provocation. And that’s what happened with Berkshire. The guy was absolutely obnoxious and immature. So of course people remember him that way. My hope would be that he’s matured. But other than the fact that most people found him to be horrible, the one other thing I’ve learned from this discussion is that he seems to have not matured. What should he care what we think over here. Why is he even on this site he supposedly thinks is beneath him (lol).

    On to other topics. This is ridiculous.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  335. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    The Habs have seveal opponents with bvery tough customers who also play heavy or at least average minutes…if Parros can take Chara or Lucic off the ice…or at least be there to make them ansewer the bell should they get out of control he is in fact a huge deterrent. Sure he may not win but worst case scenario they have to miss time, risk injury and be accountable for their intimidating styles. This also leaves Prust (who is actually a very good hockey player) around to do the heavy lifting with a line and maybe try playing the odd game without swollen hands (doubt it will but the theory is good…but the guy is just may not be capable of sitting out a battle…that appears to be his nature).

    The fighters and bigger guys usually only figth other tougher guys but they initmidate, run and occasionally injure regulars and with a guy like Parros around they will think twice before doing some of the things they do. I am normally not a fan of the enforcer….but with a team built like Montreal, so skilled but so fragile and seriously lacking backbone the Parros and Murray moves are exactly what the doctor ordered IMO.

  336. Hobie Hansen, 28 August, 2013

    White went overboard and Emelin was unlucky. Two examples out of 1000s. I think Plekanec hit the post last year when he shot a couple times too?

  337. arcosenate, 28 August, 2013

    Hey, we got David Fischer and Ben Maxwell before Looch was drafted, you have to feel good about that!

  338. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    To be honest, any player can catch somebody with a punch that does crazy damage. Catch anybody clean with a punch and you can knock them out and do damage.

    On the whole, however, Parros is a wrestler who isn’t really viewed as a particularly fearsome fighter among the players. He’s a great guy, and I’m sure he’s going to be popular in the room. I just question his effectiveness on the ice…he was absolutely brutal last season for the Panthers.

  339. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Let it go Dog, it’s over.

    (But you’re right)

  340. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    Your list seems pretty spot-on to me, but there’s not much value in it. I mean, once you average out so many factors, what are you talking about? None of these guys is super-star level, at least not today, so it’s pretty close.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  341. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    Bergeron is great, even I know that and I HAAATE the Bruins.

    Lucic is an arrogant stuck up thug. He’s the big kid on the playground who takes a sick plesure in pushing around the smaller, weaker kids who can’t protect themselves.

    I wish someone would just low-bridge that loser and blow his knee out Samuelsson style. I guarantee everyone will stand up and cheer.

  342. Savardian Spin-o-rama, 28 August, 2013

    Completely agree. There isn’t an NHL defenseman that can wheel out of his zone while hold off opposing forecheckers (often bigger than him) with one hand on his stick and never (almost) losing control of the puck — NOT ONE. And he does it with SPEED. PK belongs on this team no ifs, ands, or buts.

  343. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Epic, your list is wild!

  344. twilighthours, 28 August, 2013

    Elite skating and committed to backchecking/defending.

    This is why we can’t compare great players/teams across generations. Today’s players are just better than yesteryear’s.

  345. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    Worst player on the league’s worst team.

  346. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Thanks for the correction.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  347. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    I think I might flip Prust and DD, based on my mood that day… if we had lost 5-0, I’d be weighing offense more heavily than ‘intangibles’ if we had been pushed around, reverse that.

    But ya, I agree with your list.

  348. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    1. Will Markov play for Russia in the Olympics?
    2. Which would you rather do – attend a pre-season game at the Bell Center, or watch an open practice? Why?
    3. Who is more likely to spend more than 1 year in Montreal: Parros or Murray?
    4. Since MT says Galchenyuk will start on the wing, who are your 1-4 centers (in order) – Pleks, DD, Eller, White? Or…?
    5. If Subban is put on the 1st pair D, will his performance dip?
    BONUS: If you were the Habs, would you be inclined to put that pressure on Subban…. I mean, since contract talks will start soon?

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  349. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013


    (thank you)

    Over and out

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  350. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    And he was the worst player by a country mile.

  351. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    1) No.
    2) Pre-season. (‘Cuz it’s an actual game).
    3) Parros.
    4) In order: Plex/DD/Eller/White
    5) No. Though, his totals may change as his responsibilites and situations change. (Basically, It’ll Fenwick his Corsi right up).

  352. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    I think Subban right now is pretty much the total package on D. If anything the only area of improvement is that I’d like to see him get a little meaner, NOT in terms of fighting, but more in terms of throwing more of those famous hits, and dishing the stick out on guys who try to chirp him/get in his face.

    He would be harassed a lot less and his performance would increase even more.

  353. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    perhaps but you hit the nail on the head with “wonder” …it is a short tourney with little time to develop chemistry./..so any existing chemistry must be considered…not necessarily mandatory but a huge consideration given the format.

  354. Kooch7800, 28 August, 2013

    I think he was a good edition Chris in just keeping Prust playing hockey more and fighting less. Prust is useful on the Ice and the less he has to fight the better

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  355. habs-hampton, 28 August, 2013

    OK HIO admins, listen up!!!

    Under “You might also like” I now get a picture of Miley Cyrus (I think she’s taking a dump). I am highly offended (as a human being, not as a man or women). Since I also get the Leblanc trade and Markov returning from 1-2 years ago, does it mean I’m going to see her for thenext couple of years???

    Seriously, does anyone know how I can block this crap?

  356. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Douglas Murray appears to be mostly “wrestler” too, but man is he strong.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  357. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    1. Yes – PP quarterback with Voynov…that will be a scary power play.

    2. Neither…don’t find either particularly appealing.

    3. Neither…I’m not even convinced that either of them will last this season. They certainly won’t be around next year.

    4. Impossible to say 1-2-3-4. I will say that I expect Plekanec will have Bourque as his winger (and Gionta when he returns), Desharnais will have Pacioretty, Eller will have Galchenyuk, and White or Dumont will have the fourth line. I’ll leave it to others to assign #1, #2, and #3 line labels.

    5. No. He has to be on the 1st pair this year. Any dip will be because the team is not quite as good as last year and because opponents are going to work around taking Subban out of his game. How Therrien reacts to that will go a long way to whether we see a dip or not.

  358. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    I run Ghostery and AdBlock Plus in Chrome and I never see these ads. Ghostery can cause a bit of havoc with some websites, but I find it useful to know how many programs are trying to access my browsing data.

    You can set Ghostery to be less restrictive, having it block only Outbrain, who are responsible for those ads.

  359. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    About #5 and Therrien… I was really impressed how Therrien handled his bench. Maybe it was compared to Martin that I saw a lot of smart moves. But what happened at the end of the season? It seemed like half of what Therrien did blew up in his face. I guess that’s just what happens when things start to go sideways… well that, and your team forgets how to score and your goalie forgets how to stop pucks.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  360. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    We’ll see if that curtails Prust’s fighting. I have my doubts. He sees fighting as a big part of his role, and I don’t think he’s going to have the wherewithal to say “That guy just punched my linemate, but I’m going to wait and let Parros take care of it when he gets his next shift in 14 minutes.”

    It might curtail his stage fighting, but he should be smart enough to avoid that crap anyways.

  361. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    1. Yes
    2. Pre-season game. Love to watch the prospects in game situations.
    3. Parros. Habs have too many D prospects ready to break through. The only way Murray sticks is if he takes Gorges’ spot.
    4. Pleks, Eller, DD, Bournival (that’s for Trini 😉 )
    5. Subban will be even better against the best, he thrives on competition.

    I would wait to negotiate with him. He just won the Norris, his value can’t really get much higher. Lets see where he is for 82 games.

  362. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    I now run Miley-block and Beiber-block.

    It makes being on the web so much better.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  363. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Like Ed, I’m not at all a fan of Therrien as a tactical coach. I think he is completely out of his element when things start to go awry.

    Coaches earn their stripes when adversity hits. Therrien failed that test spectacularly last season. He was merely fortunate that the adversity didn’t really start until game 40.

  364. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    I like your list, it favours all-around play and acknowledges the contributions of guys like Pleks and Gionta who play a lot of tough minutes.

    I have a feeling Galchenyuk will make a big jump up the list this year if they play him on the second line and on the PP.

  365. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    1. No
    2. Pre-season game- some semblance of the real thing.
    3. Murray
    4. Pleks, Eller, DD, White.
    5. Subban paired with Markov until Emelin’s return.
    Bonus: I would always be challenging EVERY player to get better. Complacency leads to poor performances.

  366. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    I already find it hard to bring myself to cheer for a bunch of spoiled cliche spitting shine the light on me millionaire brats. But, if Subban is left of the starting team Canada roster I think I will cheer for them to lose. It will once again proof that hockey Canada is a f#$%n’ old boys club and perhaps will more clearly than ever indicate that Subban is racially discriminated against.

  367. Trollhunter, 28 August, 2013

    Pk is one of the best puck moving defenceman in the NHL and is a huge threat on the PP. I hope he gets more time on the Penalty kill to showcase the defensive aspects of his game because people outside of Mtl only consider him to be an `offensive`Dman.

  368. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    Agreed.Parros is not an intimidating Heavyweight,like a Gillies.Mirasty ,Erskine a or Jablonski but he is a respectable fighter. He has good reach,and change up but his balance is not the best. He has a 47% career win rate with almost all results by decision.

  369. Kooch7800, 28 August, 2013

    I hope it does…if it doesn’t than I am with that Parros isn’t that useful.

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  370. Un Canadien errant, 28 August, 2013

    Serge Savard.

  371. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    1. Maybe in paralympics
    2. Both are bleah. Same goes for about half of the regular season NHL games
    3. If they both do what they were brought to do and do it well I think there is no reason to not keep them beyond this season. I can’t see Murray being worse the Bouillon or Gorges
    4. Sadly these seem to be our centers. Holy shit.
    5. Was he not the first pair D before? Subban will be again one of the very very few Habs who will make it worth actually watching the games. Subban is 21st century Guy Lafleur (not that I ever saw him play)

    BONUS: you don’t put the pressure on Subban – Subban puts pressure on you. Bergevin effed it up and now Subban will be dictating the terms.

  372. GrimJim, 28 August, 2013

    1) Yes and will get blamed for being over-used by the end of the season.
    2) Open practice – cause it’s cheaper. And the consession stand person at Brassard was friendly
    3) Parros – We have d-men pushing at Murray but we have no enforcer pushing at Parros
    4) Pleks, DD. Eller and White. Personally I think Eller steps past DD this year but being a two-way center he’ll be used in that 3rd line role
    5) No. His performance will dip because its an 82 game season and he’ll hit a wall about 2/3rds of the way though the season.
    B) He’s a number 1, play him like it.

  373. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Thanks for a hockey provocative post.
    1. Plekanec
    2. Pacioretty
    3. Eller
    4. Gionta
    5. Bourque
    6. Galchenyuk. ( wanted to rank him higher)
    7. Prust
    8. Gallagher
    9. Desharnais

  374. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    That’s putting it mildly. Guess he isn’t a big fan of 30 goal scorers.

  375. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    I gotta ask… is Michael Therrien still the coach of the Montreal Canadiens?

  376. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Even last night on TSN, they were pumping the half-blind Mark Staal and the over hyped Bouwmeister way ahead of PK.
    However, they also picked Luongo and Price over Crawford, which is a travesty.

  377. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    1). YES
    2). Open practice. Would love to see the Hab coaches at work.
    3). Parrots. Murray will be replaced next season by Tinordi.
    4). Pleks, Eller, DD, White
    5). PK is destined to succeed in this league. He’s a star.
    6). With the exception of Price, no one has more pressure on him then PK.

  378. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Because they have to be, I am convinced that the great athletes of every generation would have been great athletes in other generations, circumstances had it that backchecking/defending wasn’t required of the stars in the 70’s. A player like Gainey chose to excel in that regard in order to achieve success, a player like Lafleur didn’t need to. Put him in today’s enviornment and he has to quit smoking so much and he has to pay more attention to defence.

  379. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Excellent question, unfortunately this site has no way of getting you that answer…. I am trying to think of other sites where they could get you a detailed answer and where also your input would be respected a great deal more….. just drawing a blank on where that might be. :)

  380. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Hopefully those two specific blocking s/w programs won’t be needed much longer. They’re fame or infamy has to run out soon doesn’t it?

  381. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    I liked how Ray Ferraro summed up why he likes Price to start for the team. He simply said, I like Price because I think he is the best goalie, that he is better than the other guys on the list. This is a guy who calls games from ice level and has the most credibility on that panel as a result, especially given his former NHL experience.

  382. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Pot stirrer.

  383. habtastic74, 28 August, 2013

    1. Yes. Have you seen Russia’s invite list?

    2. Pre-season. It’s a good chance to see some of our kids playing more minutes and different situations than we usually see them in.

    3. Murray. If he plays like he has every year of his career except last year then there is no reason not to ask for his services.

    4. Plex/Eller/DD/White…Unfortunately even though they are in that order we should play Eller on the 3rd line with the Gallys because the thought of DD playing with the Gallys is an absolute defensive nightmare.

    5. He is one of the best d-men in the world, and he thrives on that confidence. His performance would not dip. And yes, I would be inclined to do that. Why on earth we do not use our best d-man as our #1 baffles me.

  384. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    I have concerns in the same area. He strikes me as more a motivator, passionate styled coach than x’s and o’s. I thought I had heard rumblings during the early part of off season that Clement Jodoin was leaving the team, when I look on the team website he is still listed as Asst. Coach. In watching 24CH last season, he appears to be much of the tactician behind the coach schemes.

  385. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Isn’t it funny how some talk about a decline in Canadian hockey? Look at that freaking list of defenceman . Some really great players are not going to the games. Just incredible the amount of the talent pool where a player like PK is not a shoo in.

  386. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    You sound like my father today.

  387. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    Pot smoker ??

  388. Epic, 28 August, 2013

    I shall repeat: The reigning Norris winner should be a shoe in always, no exceptions, no discussion.

  389. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    I disagree. The “talent” that is going ahead of PK is mostly a no-talent.

  390. habtastic74, 28 August, 2013

    In order to increase your sample size…

    1. Plex
    2. Patches
    3. Eller
    4. Gionta
    5. Bourque
    6. Briere
    7. Galchenyuk
    8. Gallagher
    9. Prust

  391. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    1. Probably, although I wish he’d take the time off
    2. I’ve been to pre season game before wasn’t as fun, open practice just to check it out.
    3. Murray, I have a funny feeling that our enforcer will be gone after this season.
    4. pretty much the pl;ayers you just listed although I’d like chucky at center…
    5. No
    Bonus what ever line he plays on he’ll be great

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  392. adamkennelly, 28 August, 2013

    PK Subban has all the tools to be the best D-man in the NHL for years to come. I cannot fathom a scenario where he does not make the OLY team and play a pivotal role…how many D-men would be traded straight up for PK right now – given his age, ability, contract and upside.

  393. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    Yes, a nice twist on the Therrien quote.

    Bravo Timo.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  394. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    I think the main concern is the fact that they aren’t dominating in the goalie aspect and that not everyone in Canada can afford it.

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  395. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    I just saw that Miley dance. It sucked! The gals at Wicked Wanda”s have nothing to worry about. Saludos!

  396. Trisomy 21, 28 August, 2013

    I wouldn’t expect players like Lucic or Chara to fight players who’s only role is to fight. It’s a nice idea, but the coach wouldn’t allow it, and those two are smart enough to know it’s a terrible trade off. You saw how Lucic reacted to Laraque.

  397. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Jodoin is absolutely the tactical coach on that staff. He’s a long-time coach who has had good success at various levels, but he has always been missing something to make him a good head coach.

  398. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    That leaves the question, how can someone who is so right about PK be so wrong about Patches? (Insert smiley face)

  399. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    I think the world of Galchenyuk, and I also think we’re going to see an quantum leap from him this season. He should end this season much higher on the team’s depth chart.

  400. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Maybe “not as good” talent but as you are often to do here you’ve exaggerated your negative opinion. No talent? Oh boy.

  401. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    But the enforcers push them around and try to harass them as they normally do to other players….I have never seen Lucic so bad as when Laraques was following him around the rink. Chara as well…..it is nivce to have someone in their heads and it usually helps to ensure they don’t run anyone or know if they do they will be expected to answer the bell…in which case they will miss time.

  402. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    Miley doesn’t possess same… umm… attributes.

  403. Un Canadien errant, 28 August, 2013

    1) Looking at their invited roster, I don’t see how he could be left off the team, although I don’t know the KHL guys. If he plays as well as he did last season, Andrei’s in. Fingers crossed, hope Alexei is too.


    2) Any game is better than a practice to the average fan. Maybe a scout or an executive would get more out of a practice, but even a pre-season game will have more intensity and excitement than a practice. Bonus if you get to see some prospects you’ve heard of for a while but haven’t seen play.

    3) Difficult. Douglas Murray is actually useful as a player, but there is a logjam on defence, he’s more likely to be squeezed out. George Parros is a marginal player, but if he fulfills the expectations, he doesn’t have anyone else vying for the 13th or 14th forward spot in the same manner in Hamilton. So I’ll say George Parros, but it’s only 51-49 percentage-wise.

    4) Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller, Dumont(White)

    5) No, the coaching staff will loosen the reins and ask him for even more this season. His production may tail off, the numbers might not be as spectacular this year, but he’ll play even better. And Marc Bergevin and Don Meehan will enter the next negotiations with those expectations I would think.

  404. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    I wrote something witty and mean but deleted before posting.

    Miley is just gross, barely-talented, irritating and (to steal a word from someone yesterday), vulgar. It’s horrible anyone like her can get on TV, especially as a “performer”.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  405. habsfan0, 28 August, 2013

    No, Michael Therrien is not coach of the Montreal Canadiens.
    However, Michel Therrien is.

  406. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Which one? Or all the above?

  407. SmartDog, 28 August, 2013

    There are no worse homers than TSN. Those guys feed off each other – what one says the other parrots. It’s sad.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  408. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    Haven’t the Bills called you yet to play QB? Unbelievable luck that franchise has. They are the Mets of the NFL.

  409. habsfan0, 28 August, 2013

    At least the Mets have a couple of world championships under their belts. (1969,1986)

    The Bills are still virgins in this area.

  410. Un Canadien errant, 28 August, 2013

    Scary what young starlets have to do nowadays to be relevant. Britney, Paulina, Miley. For every Natalie Portman there’s three or four of these paparazzi-besotted trollops who have very little left in their arsenal to shock and hold our attention.

    I’d hate to raise a daughter in this environment.

  411. Un Canadien errant, 28 August, 2013

    I thought the Chargers were up for the 1st overall pick, but we’re stuck with a really good quarterback in Philip Rivers, he’ll get us a couple extra wins that’ll hurt our chances. Meanwhile, I agree with you that the Bills will be neck and neck with the Jaguars, but I think the Raiders have a really really good chance at 0-16 this year.

  412. Say Ash, 28 August, 2013

    Right. But when these guys don’t want PK Subban, they’re crazy.

  413. Say Ash, 28 August, 2013

    Hey, what’s HIO without an unrelated language debate – see this one?

    McDonald’s apologizes to B.C. woman after discrimination complaint

  414. Luke, 28 August, 2013


    This whole Miley thing is so bizarre. Saturday afternoon while having a few porch-beverages with friends. One of them played Miley’s version of “Jolene” from something called “the backyard sessions”:

    ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOwblaKmyVw )

    A few of the other songs from this recording session were very good as well. I was impressed… I was ready to give her the benefit of the doubt…

    Then Sunday happened.

  415. ClutchNGrab, 28 August, 2013

    I’ve seen some links to the puck daddy blog over the years here. Anybody’s been there recently and see the new layout? What were they thinking?

    Hope HIO will not make the same mistake if they want to change this site and keep it as simple as possible.

  416. habsfan0, 28 August, 2013

    The Raiders and the Bills are both good bets to go 0-16 this year.
    I wonder if Detroit Lions fans will be jealous to see their team’s record for futility tied?

  417. ClutchNGrab, 28 August, 2013

    Yes, and nobody likes Galchenyuk more than him:


  418. DLN-CH4Life, 28 August, 2013

    We’re getting to that worst part of the year.


  419. bwoar, 28 August, 2013

    I can’t stand Ferraro. So I will point out that experience doens’t necessarily translate to good analysis.


  420. HabFanSince72, 28 August, 2013

    Hang on. You don’t always cheer for your team to lose?

  421. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    I understood and definitely agree. I was astonished at how many friends bought that argument hook, line and sinker.

    He cheated. “But he is helping cure cancer!” (uh, no…his foundation spent almost all of its donation money on “promotion”, not research into cancer prevention/treatment)

    He cheated. “But he is inspirational for cancer surivors!” (so is Terry Fox…and he didn’t cheat.)

  422. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    Just Burly 😀

  423. Un Canadien errant, 28 August, 2013


  424. Mick, 28 August, 2013

    Is DD still a Hab?

  425. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    Worst part as in summer is over school is starting and hockey is weeks away, yeah it sucks.

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  426. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    Imagine if PK doesn’t make the team and the PP struggled. Hab fans would go insane! lol

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  427. Phil C, 28 August, 2013

    Not necessarily, but having none at all isn’t much use either. 😉

    I’m surprised you feel so strongly about Ferraro, I don’t find him very controversial, cocky, or outspoken.

  428. neumann103, 28 August, 2013

    1. Will Markov play for Russia in the Olympics?

    2. Which would you rather do – attend a pre-season game at the Bell Center, or watch an open practice? Why?
    Practice. I have been to pre-season games in Leaf Land, including Habs at Leafs and my recollections are seeing the best player on either team being rookie Mike Ribeiro and mid career Tie Domi. Need to wash that from my mind

    3. Who is more likely to spend more than 1 year in Montreal: Parros or Murray?
    I hope neither but Parros. Murray is a short term hedge against Emelin absence and Tinordi youth. The Habs appear to be amassing 7th defensemen like they are trying to corner the market. While the team has a need for a 7th defenseman, I am not sure how much they need 3 of them. Arguably more than they need 1 facepuncher, but then I’m not making up the roster

    4. Since MT says Galchenyuk will start on the wing, who are your 1-4 centers (in order) – Pleks, DD, Eller, White? Or…?
    I was trying to think up something clever to suggest that Desharnais ought to be playing the wing on a pure exploitation line and that White is probably interchangeable with 3 or 4 other options but I give up. Anyhow, this is not the year this has to be addressed.

    5. If Subban is put on the 1st pair D, will his performance dip?

    Ummmm… No? I don’t think Subban succumbs to pressure which is why he is ideal for MTL. He should be eating more minutes. He should be killing penalties. His points will continue to come from the powerplay.

    BONUS: If you were the Habs, would you be inclined to put that pressure on Subban…. I mean, since contract talks will start soon?
    Whatever. Just sign him.

    “Et le but!”

  429. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Ha! Thanks for the translation! Indeed, such a beverage would definitely go by a different name here. That said, no country has the monopoly on tasteless drink names!

    re “Pardon me boys” — Excellent! LOL. If there’s no risk to our garbage quota, it’s perhaps worth repeating more prominently.

    Re. Enforcer presence and the myth of injury reduction. Is the middle path here an acceptance that Gallagher, though he wasn’t actually injured last year, excited some opposing players to take liberties, and will benefit from having a number of truculent team-mates whose presence might dissuade at least some players from taking such liberties?

    (With apologies for the appalling construction of that last sentence).

  430. 123456, 28 August, 2013

    football is the US is a week away – baseball is coming up on the post season. . . . life is good

  431. neumann103, 28 August, 2013

    1. Plekanec
    2. Eller
    3. Gionta
    4. Pacioretty
    5. Prust
    6. Gallagher
    7. Galchenyuk
    8. Bourque
    9. Desharnais

    “Et le but!”

  432. Mattyleg, 28 August, 2013


    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  433. neumann103, 28 August, 2013

    I thought Therrien handled his bench poorly and was lucky it did not bite him. But that is confirmation of my expectations, so grains of salt all around.

    His early handling of Eller was appalling.

    His use of PK Subban was insane.

    His devotion to the swarm defense and failure to adapt late in the abbreviated season when other teams had figured it out did not bode well.

    On the other hand, he kept Gally and Gally with the big club and sheltered them pretty well. He recognized that Prust was his Swiss Army Knife (although I think he knew that all along and was heavily involved in the Prust signing.) So there is that.

    I am trying to remember exactly what my prediction was for Therrien 2.0 career longevity but if he is still around in 2015 it will start to hold back this team as its window opens.

    “Et le but!”

  434. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Truculent team members only means that if Gally gets run, an opposing team member will be run, too. My Sentence Constructor 2000™ agrees that your last sentence requires more Guinness.

  435. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    And Mike trudges off, XXXXXXished to the pub to improve his sentence construction.

    Is it possible that the truculent presence, even though it can never eliminate liberties, and might sometimes lead to counter-runnings, might in fact reduce liberties overall?

  436. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Surprisingly I’m not, but have friends that do. Perhaps I’m guilty of second hand inhalation?

  437. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    All the best with your sentence construction, I think you’ll do fine there bud!

  438. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    I have found over the years that it either does one of two things.
    1- Nobody’s really in the mood to fight so many meaningful looks among the players with no altercations or

    2- Everybody’s into it and we end up with an old-style donnybrook.

    The good thing is, after many many seasons, the Habs have an answer to the rough stuff.

  439. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    Angels of Retribution amigos! It’s all good! Justice will be Served this year! Saludos!

  440. Ron, 28 August, 2013

    Just the rewording of pot stirrer burl. I’d never say I never tried it but sure as heck wont use it. 😀

  441. pmaraw, 28 August, 2013


  442. Trisomy 21, 28 August, 2013

    The family wanted an apology for Sun and all immigrants who speak English as a second language.

    Perfectly reasonable! although I suspect the meaning of this was lost in translation.

  443. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    So…it is pretty obvious below that the general consensus is that Pleks and Eller are the best two centers according to the fans…yet DD will play with the teams best winger(unless Galchenyuk takes off with more icetime)…and DD has been successful with him so I don’t see it changing. This sounds like a problem….but with Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Briere, Gionta, Bourque and Prust to compliment Pacioretty….this team is as deep as an up front. 10 top 9 forwards and 8 or 9 NHL dmen deep…..quite a quick little turn of events really. I epect an early season trade of some sort. once a pecking order is established.

  444. junyab, 28 August, 2013

    Case in point – Glen Healy.

  445. Sportfan, 28 August, 2013

    NFL, CFL, End of the Baseball season (playoff race is really exciting) pre season hockey sports get really great in the middle of September, I just dislike the summer ending and going back to school and work 😛

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  446. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Galchenyuk is the Lafleur….Subban is a modern day Chelios has Chelios started earlier…it took him a while to get where he got to eventually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Chelios For those who don’t know read the bio on Chelios…quite the story…twice cut from Junior B teams after coming to Canada from the US …grew 3 inches and added 40 lbs of muscle …he was a late bloomer but PK reminds me of Chelios in his prime…a solid defender, a great offensive force and an edge to his game….PK is a little flashier than Chelios and has more rw skill but their games were pretty similar. IMO. Galchenyuk has a chance to perhaps outscore the Mats Naslunds best season…doubt he can get to Lafleur territory as the game has changed….but Naslund is a possiblity at some point.

  447. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Galchenyuk hoping to play for the US! Should be good motivation for him to come out of the gates with all cylinders firing…


  448. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    Habs still need more talent and depth ensures a trade can be done that could vault the team into playoff territory. The pipeline that Gainey restarted is finally going to pay off.

  449. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    @ those in the Miley Cyrus discussion.

    I did something I don’t normally do. I suggested to my 14-yr-old daughter that she reading that particular exchange (perhaps sparked by someone commiserating with anyone rearing a teenage girl). She laughed and said that what you guys wrote (and I had briefly described the wide age demographic represented here) is the same as what all her friends are saying. Now that is some serious consensus.

    She also sympathised a little, suggesting it was almost inevitable for a child-star-turned-adult to get into such difficulties.

  450. fun police, 28 August, 2013

    hopefully he gets some time on the power play. his lack of PP minutes cost him the calder trophy in my opinion.

  451. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    “I have a dream”. The greatest assembly of words ever made is 50 years old today. A time for reflection perhaps but also time for continued admiration.

  452. secretdragonfly, 28 August, 2013

    Sounds as though your daughter is a well-adjusted teenager – maybe there is hope for the human race, after all!

  453. Habfan10912, 28 August, 2013

    You are blessed to have such a smart child. Me thinks you had something to do with that.

  454. D Mex, 28 August, 2013

    Anyone who’s spent time in Richmond BC and / or is familiar with its ethnic makeup can easily recognize how absurd this story is.

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

  455. Hobie Hansen, 28 August, 2013


  456. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    I’m serious though, check out the YouTube video from last Fall if you haven’t already.

    It just makes what she’s turned into all the more depressing.


  457. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Sorry Luke, I refuse to click on these links you are providing, I was born at night, but not last night! 😉

  458. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    Calling them Angels almost has a pacifistic ring to it. I am hopeful the BGL Code doesn’t rear its head with our new frontiers of justice!

  459. cautiousoptimist, 28 August, 2013

    If anyone cares about this sort of thing, the ratings for the top 50 players in NHL 14 are out, and Subban is an 88 — tied for 34th overall with Byfuglien, and behind guys like Kronwall, Seabrook and Burns.

    Aaaaand, this post is a pretty good illustration of how desperate I am for the season to start up, so we actually have something hockey-related to talk about. : )

  460. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Vault them into playoff territory? Barring an injury plague the team should be an easy playoff team IMO. IF I were picking I would guess somewhere between 4 and 6 in the conference. My concern is not the regular season it is the second season in the NRHL (New Rules Hockey League)…once the NRHL begins playoffs Montreal becomes vulnerable.

  461. Stevie.Ray, 28 August, 2013

    I always found it interesting that 99% of the current popular music artists all happen to be attractive and nobody batted an eye at this. It’s like there is a direct correlation between talent and beauty!

    But for the child stars who may be “cute” when they are younger, they may not grow up to look like Gwen Stefan, Katy Perry or George Michaels. Like most people they will probably look average. So that means they need to try super hard to lose their “cute” label, and transition into the “sexy” pop-star label in order to survive in the industry. They have to go to the extremes, like what we saw Sunday night with Miley, to receive any attention at all. It sucks, but the industry creates these negative role models for children, and the entertainers have to follow along because if they don’t the producers will find somebody who will. The same goes for the sexualization of women in film. There needs to be a 4th wave of feminism, where all women stand up against oppression. Like John Lennon said, women are the nigger of the world, and even though they represent over 50% of the planets population, they are not treated as equals. Even in North America. I hope Hilary Clinton wins the 2016 election (even though that brings up a huge nepotism discussion in politics. You know if Clinton were to win in 2012, and Jeb Bush wins in 2016, that would have been 28 years in a row where only two families were in charge of the biggest country in the world!), and that she is able to be a strong role model for young women everywhere.

  462. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    It’s an acoustic ‘Jolene'; Dolly Parton is her GodMother (or something like that).

    Yes. I am too young to know Dolly Parton and Jolene (it’s a classic!).
    Yes. I am too old to be watching Miley Cyrus videos on YouTube.

    I’d never lead you astray!

  463. 24 Cups, 28 August, 2013

    Rob – I can’t see him making it (not to be a downer). If I’m the coach of Team USA I can think of 14 players who would be a better fit.

  464. HabinBurlington, 28 August, 2013

    The only wildcard is shootouts, we know some big tournament games come down to shootouts, and he has proven to be pretty special. Could be enough to get him on the squad as an extra.

  465. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    Injuries decide everything in the modern NHL for most teams.

    When Montreal has been relatively lucky with injuries (2007-08, 2012-13) they have had brilliant regular season performances.

    When they have been decimated by injuries (2008-09, 2011-12), they have been abysmal.

    When they have normal luck (2009-10, 2010-11), they’ve been a playoff bubble team.

    There is perhaps a bit more talent here this season, and I’m hoping that their relative youth will insulate them more from the injury bug. But Markov, Plekanec and Gionta are all hugely important to the Habs and all have got a lot of mileage on their odometer. An injury to any one of those three guys could be devastating.

  466. 24 Cups, 28 August, 2013

    Gerald I’m assuming that Team USA will pick 14 forwards. Here’s the list. I have Galchenyuk at #16 in a best case scenario.

    Forwards: Justin Abdelkader, David Backes, Beau Bennett, Nick Bjugstad, Dustin Brown, Ryan Callahan, Alex Galchenyuk, Patrick Kane, Ryan Kesler, Phil Kessel, Trevor Lewis, Kyle Okposo, T.J. Oshie, Max Pacioretty, Kyle Palmieri, Zach Parise, Joe Pavelski, Bobby Ryan, Brandon Saad, Craig Smith, Paul Stastny, Derek Stepan, James van Riemsdyk, Blake Wheeler.

  467. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Oh I don’t doubt he is a longshot…but the fact he is such a lock in shootouts make him very intriguing along withteverything else that was said about him. Let’s jsut pretend he played for a non playoff market and was given a teams top wingers and players to play wiht on the pp….I don;t think it unreasonable to assume he already has the talent offensively to be a poitn per player guy….Yakupov and Huberdeau both got better ice and yet there was Galchenyuk right there with them. This despite missing a whole year of hockey….teh kid is a legit superstar in the making….and the making wil come as soon as the organization gives him the opportunity too.

    This is the right approach because Montreal is a playoff market where offense isn’t all that is required….if he becomes a center…however if they choose to make him a winger and have him focus on offense? You have somewhere between Patrick Kane and Rick Nash IMO.

  468. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    In the US a far greater number of players shoot right than in Canada….his versatility (as he himself points out and him being a lefty work to his advantage. I would not put him on the team right now either…but from the littel we know of Galchenyuk I wouldn’t ever want to bet against him.

  469. Cal, 28 August, 2013

    I am not as optimistic. Big question marks this season: Emelin, Gionta returning from injury. Will Price continue his average goalie routine or finally get better? Smaller questions: how will Murray and Parros perform on their new team? Will Chucky and Gally not have the sophomore jinx? Will Bourque continue his good to great play from last season?
    Like I said before the Murray signing, a 10th to 12th place team.
    Now, they are a bubble team.

  470. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    All true…but the team is poised ofr something special very soon…they have essentially two core groups…the leadership and know how to win group in Markov, Gionta, Briere, Pleks and then they have the youth revolution with several guys who are already near elite at their positions…..Subban, Pacioretty and Price…..then they have a younger group to add to them that is equal if not better in Eller, Galchenyuk and Gallagher.
    The middle support group of Prust, Bourque, Emelin, DD, OMOen, Gorges, Murray,etc is pretty darn good as well. The toughness is now there….exciting times are very possible.
    Depth? So two dmen have the potential to be NHL palyers right now in Tinordia nd Beaulieu….LEblanc is somehwere in the mix if his injury heals, Collberg, Hudon,etc,etc….the team is in a great place because of that one really bad season and sthe accelerated development of some of the younger players…I like the team…I would love to somehow get another gritty character guy like Brendan Morrow into the mix…but this team has some serious potential this seaso and most definitely next year if healthy.

  471. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Wow! Amazing post!
    The depressing thing (or one of them) is when the fact that there is, as you say, an “industry” behind something you like starts to shine through, or burst through, the veneer. And those industries have absolutely voracious appetites, devouring all, spewing all afterwards to make space for more. The media, for eg, is often referred to as a beast, has to be fed every day. Cosmetics industry — sometimes I send the boys to another teacher and have a 1 vs 15 session with the girls on the whole obscene business of persuading teenagers they are inadequate without make-up (with apologies to anyone here in that business).

    And I have ranted here often about the NHL: its industrial essence so often shamelessly exposed.

    (You filled my belly with fire, Stevie! Then you mentioned Jeb — are we really looking at that possibility? — and I immediately wilted.)

  472. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    That and the fact hey know he may be one of their best players moving forward if not heir best prospect….would be a great experience to get him there…..4 years is a long time away …I would say he is a 3 to 1 longshot but he has time to prove himself and because of his combo of shootout ability and maturity…. skill level…virtually everything cited in that article…there is a pretty strong case to be made should he come out of the gates playing well.

  473. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    You know what, I teach teenagers every day, and in essence they are by and large overwhelmingly good — not angelic, no no, but good — and full of potential. So every day I look at them and believe, as you say, that there is hope for the human race.

    The problem, unfortunately, is people MY age.

  474. Saintpatrick33, 28 August, 2013

    Subban is so underrated and I think Karlsson is way overrated. At least in the last game.

  475. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Jim, I was blessed 5 times!
    (And this one was the one born in Dublin on July 1. Lucky she was a girl, or she would have been John A MacDonald Dungan!)

  476. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    Dolly Parton! Now that’s a lot of Woman. Knockers amigos.

  477. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Wished my grandson had you as his teacher.*

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  478. Timo, 28 August, 2013


  479. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Wild guess, is she named James Joyce Dungan?
    Apropros of nothing hockey-linked, Johnny Mac was born in Glasgow.
    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  480. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    Speaking of talented kids check this 8 year old girl killing Stratovarius’ Stratosphere on a guitar. Rock on, kid!


  481. krob1000, 28 August, 2013

    Holy Belarussins!

  482. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    LOL Cautious! Hearing that edge of desperation from a distance of 3000 miles!

    PLEASE: H-O-C-K-E-Y!!!

    Problem is, the numbers of posters with lots of interesting non-hockey stuff to say (yourself included, if I recall).

    I never look up the weather here in Ireland. I just look out the window and bring a raincoat even if it’s sunny. And I feel the same about player ratings. Ok, in someone’s universe there are 87 NHLers better than the current Norris holder, just not in mine. Or perhaps in theirs? Isn’t it likely that many/most/all players couldn’t give a banana what TSN or THN or whoever has to say? In fact, it must surely be a blast to be rated 87th, but be a superstar, get on the Olympic team, score game-winning goals, win trophies etc!

    (And I’m still laughing — “If anyone cares about this sort of thing”)

  483. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Ok I went Luke (I will do anything suggested by that avatar which never fails to brighten my day!).

    And you’re right about how it exacerbates the shock of seeing where she went next. The Jolene vid seems fairly highly processed and slick, a bit contrived, but you can hear talent and wish that she didn’t resort to LCD.

    (Did you see my appreciation of your split-infinitive evasion some threads ago? “Short Honeymoon”, perhaps?)

  484. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    Poignant posting and if fairness rules the day, there won’t be harsh backlash but I recognize the neck position (as in sticking out your neck) as I have done that on this site in the past, and will unlikely do again. John Lennon did startle with his charged words but time has passed and the message is now more hidden. Thumbs up to you for your guts in sharing these thoughts. (Beautiful women have always possessed a spell-binding power, and more are using it).

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  485. AH, 28 August, 2013

    LOL! Front you kill me! Couldn’t agree with you more, I love dolly too!
    PS: love your posts, they’re short, sweet, often funny and to the point and my favorite part of them: “Saludos Amigos”!
    One question though: how do you stay so coherent while consuming so much booze? LOL!!

  486. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013


  487. Luke, 28 August, 2013

    He’s not rated teh 88th best player. They assigned him a ranking of 88 out of 100.
    Tying him for 34th. The players ranked between 20 and 34 are all considered 89 out of 100.

    Crosby will be the #1 player, and rated around a 93 out of 100.

    And further nerd explaination stuff follows…

    @CO – I stick pretty strictly to the EASHL game mode. I have a riot with that… the rest of it (well, all of it actually) leaves alot to be desired. But I sure as heck get my money’s worth!

  488. Timo, 28 August, 2013

    He only writes during very brief moments of sobriety. That’s why his posts are always short…

  489. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Within the space of 5 posts, DM refers to himself as a teacher and then reveals he can’t read.

  490. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Nah — all those literary names were used up on her siblings!

    With John A born in Glasgow, it means there’s probably a house there with a commemorative plaque on it for Front and Mrs Front to be photographed beside when they visit next month.

  491. Bill H, 28 August, 2013

    Go see “The Butler”. You’ll like it.

  492. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Roy, I’d actually take the opposite view. Agreed, we’re hearing weird things out of Toronto about PK’s standing, but he can’t exactly be underrated AND win the Norris, no? And Karlsson is great. If you’re saying he’s overrated defensively compared to PK, I’d agree. But yikes he’s a guy who makes things happen.

  493. frontenac1, 28 August, 2013

    @mike. Already got that covered amigo! Got a bunch of Sir John A t-shirts I will be trading for drinks in Glasgow.

  494. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    @secret, a re-post of the link you provided of Robert L.’s recap of the the 2008 Habs Inside/Out summit would hit the spot once again (like someone scratching the exact itchy spot on your back).

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  495. Lafleurguy, 28 August, 2013

    The second Canadian Prime Minister, Alexander MacKenzie, was born in Perthshire County, Scotland. The only link to Ireland, I can think of was good ole Brian Mulroney, but I have to do some research.

    “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

  496. cautiousoptimist, 28 August, 2013

    Haha you’re too hard on yourself, Mike! : )

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  497. Chris, 28 August, 2013

    110 points is going to be a very tough target unless the NHL somehow makes drastic moves to reverse the trend of declining scoring. We’re rapidly approaching dead-puck era numbers, where 100 points would be good enough to lead the NHL in points.

    Last year, only Martin St. Louis (prorates to 102 points) and Crosby (prorated to 109 points, provided he stayed healthy for the rest of the season) were on pace to score 100 points last season. Ovechkin likely would have joined them, as he got off to a slow start (3 points in 8 games) but was really flying by the end.

  498. Dunboyne Mike, 28 August, 2013

    Whole lot a Rosie, and a whole lot of woman.

    Just not in the audience at that gig!

    (I wonder if Bill does a cover of that one. I can think of at least one section of his recent customer base that would love it).

  499. Saintpatrick33, 28 August, 2013

    Subban is underrated by the media and the fans outside of Montreal alot of people over look him in the discussion when it comes to elite d-men in the league which is ludicrous.

  500. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    WOW! She’s amazing.

  501. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    The Butler is a terrible movie. A Terrible movie. I could say more about the nostrum like self-medication that a packed house demonstrated by clapping at the end, but I am gonna hold my tongue.

    A Terrible movie!

  502. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    I dunno about that.

  503. habstrinifan, 28 August, 2013

    Especially those who clap for the movie the The Butler and walk out in a halycon daze confident that the sop they have just watched relieves them of reality.

  504. habsfan0, 28 August, 2013


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