‘I’m a pretty simple player,’ newest Hab Murray says

The newest member of the Canadiens describes himself as “a pretty simple player.”

“What you see is what you get,” defenceman Douglas Murray told Canadiens.com on Friday, a day after being signed to a one-year, $1.5-million free-agent contract. “In order for me to be successful, I need to defend really well, number one, and (I need to) be a big, physical presence out there.

“I definitely have a (will) to win and I bring a lot of competitiveness,” added the 6-foot-3, 245-pound Swede. “It’s nothing flashy; I don’t think anyone has ever used that word to describe me as a player. I’m a steady player and the excitement probably comes from the physicality department.

“I have a lot of experience with (penalty killing) and I’ve played a lot of different systems. Obviously, you need great penalty killers and people who are willing to block shots, which I definitely am. It’s important to have a lot of pride in killing penalties. I love shutting the opposition down – maybe it’s because I’ve never scored many goals, but I think I almost enjoy that more.”

Josh Gorges, who played with Murray earlier in his career with the San Jose Sharks, was thrilled to become his teammate again.

“Welcome to former and new teammate Douglas Murray!!!” Gorges tweeted. “You guys are gonna love this beast in #Mtl #BigRig”

Gorges, who got married earlier this summer to Maggie Morrison in Hawaii, will be in Washington state on Saturday for the wedding of goalie Carey Price and his fiancée, Angela Webber. Price won’t have time for a honeymoon, since he will report the next day to Team Canada’s Olympic orientation camp in Calgary, along with P.K. Subban, who will also be at the goaltender’s wedding.

(Photo by Dilip Vishwanat/Getty Images)

Big, bad Habs, Canadiens.com

Newest Hab Murray: Swedish, smart, but not Cranky, by Pat Hickey

Ten players who could surprise by making Team Canada, montrealgazette.com

Former Hab Grabovski signs with Capitals, montrealgazette.com

Luongo considered voiding his Canucks contract, NHL.com


  1. frontenac1 says:

    Rivalries depend a lot on how old you are. I barely remember those Leaf/Habs games(Fergy vs Shack) but boy oh boy, those Nord, Bruin,Flyer playoff games were all out war amigos!

  2. HabFab says:

    Roster changes from last season’s teams depth chart;

    – Briere replaces Ryder / Cole
    – Murray replaces Kaberle
    – Parros replaces Armstrong
    – Dumont replaces Nokelainen / Halpern
    – Drewiske replaces Weber

  3. Sportfan says:

    Put up a new article on my blog, I take my Jabs at the leafs and the CBA and money lol

    CBA having a unique effect on some players and teams http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/2013/08/24/cba-puts-some-in-a-unique-situation/

  4. Sportfan says:

    Going to Burlington for a Day trip tomorrow, checking out the former Vermont Expos and looking around. Anyone got any restaurants, or places I should check out while down there?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • scavanau says:

      Church St. (Downtown Burlington) is the place for excellent pub fare, good beer, and a few excellent restaurants. Sit at one of the outside tables and watch the street carnival (i.e. casual shoppers/diners, the bums, the freaks, the riff-raff) UVM and Champlain college move in this weekend, it’ll be alive.

  5. frontenac1 says:

    Cheaper to fly to Scotland and drink Single Malts there. I paid 16 bucks for a shot of Langevulin in a Saloon in Kingston last week! Damn thieves!

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Norm Dussault (1951)
      Paul Masnick (1952-1955)
      Lorne Davis (1953)
      Ed Litzenberger (1954)
      Gerard Desaulniers (1954)
      Orval Tessier (1955)
      Don Marshall (1955-1963)
      John Ferguson (1964-1971)
      Steve Shutt (1973-1985)
      Stephane Richer (1985)
      Randy Bucyk (1986)
      Jose Charbonneau (1988-1989)
      Benoit Brunet (1991-1996)
      Jim Montgomery (1995)
      Chris Murray (1997)
      Dave Manson (1998-1999)
      Eric Weinrich (1999-2001)
      Bill Lindsay (2002-2003)
      Donald Audette (2002)
      Steve Begin (2004-2009)
      Paul Mara (2010-2011)
      Tomas Kaberle (2012-2013)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Steve Shutt.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Mr. Molson gets so quiet and intense when he watches the Canadiens play, intertwining his fingers, rubbing his thumbs, that you could cut the tension with a knife. His passion borders on obsession, and he harbours superstitions he only reluctantly confesses to. He blinks three times when he sees 22 on the clock or on a jersey, the number worn by former left winger Steve Shutt, his favourite player when he grew up, for example.


        • habsfan0 says:

          Molson sounds a great deal like Ralph Wilson, Jr.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Or Dean Spanos. “Norv Turner is the worst head coach in football, as he’s demonstrated in Washington and Oakland (gag!) already. And he’s now taken the most talented roster in football and underwhelmed for three straight seasons. So I’m going to do the reasonable thing and only give him a three-year extension.”

        • H.Upmann says:

          But Mr. Molson dismisses the notion that it’s a rivalry. “(Mr. Péladeau) may think differently than me, but I don’t see it that way,” he says. “My goal in life is not to beat others. I am thinking we have a nice business here, so let’s build it into a long term success.

          “Our competitors,” he adds, “are on the ice.”

          Which may explain why he advocates bringing the Nordiques back to Quebec City. The Canadiens are waiting.

          I’d love to see a new Habs -Nords rivalry.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            If only because it would shut up the Toronto crowd about this supposed rivalry we have with them. Our rivalries are with the Nordiques and the Bruins, and a fading one with the Flyers, in that order. The Leafs would have to accept they don’t matter, and so would TSN and HNIC.

            The Leafs are trying to ride our coattails by claiming to be our rivals.


            I remember Joe Scanella schmoozing and hugging Hugh Campbell, and how they both had this great rivalry, and thinking to myself it was kind of a one-sided rivalry, like Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors.

          • Chris says:

            There is no doubt that Montreal and Toronto have a rivalry. The games see fans from both clubs trekking to the other team’s arena to try to out-cheer the hometown crowd. Players on both sides always speak of how special those games are.

            They don’t have a recent rivalry, due to Toronto being stupidly placed in the other conference for so long followed by Burke’s inability to build a contender, but the rivalry is certainly building once again.

            Both Montreal and Toronto have relatively young teams that should be improving at the same time. I have no doubt that Montreal-Toronto will quickly pass all but Montreal-Boston as a key rivalry for the Habs.

          • HabFab says:

            The Montreal and Toronto rivalry is more fan based then team based. And definitely more Toronto based then Montreal. I don’t dislike the Maple Leafs, because to me they aren’t relevant. Their fans on the other hand, I dislike almost as much as Bruin, Flyer and Nordique fans.

    • HabFab says:

      That look say’s “Not again! I really need to get a new talent agency and less photo shoots.”

    • on2ndthought says:

      Shutt! But, I will never get over Audette’s reaction to getting his forearm slashed open. He was in the middle of a remarkable season, and never truly recovered.

      “a cannonading drive”

  6. sweetmad says:

    Thanks again people for your good wishes,going back to England is really exspen,they are even trying to find a way to stop that heresive now.I also have to renew my passport and other papers,which in itself costs a fortune.The price of fares back to England ,are crazy from Vancouver,it’s not so much the fares as the taxes,which practically double the fares,when I am ready to go,I will check on fares from Seattle,most people here check that out first because it’s so much cheaper.They are trying to find ways to stop people from going to the States to fly.

    Thanks for all the tips on how to find cheaper flights.

    • Clay says:

      Here’s a novel approach to stop people from going to the States to fly – lower the F%$#@&g ticket prices in Canada. 🙂

      ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

  7. HabFanSince72 says:


    I looked at those heat maps you linked to.

    The Habs’ map looks exactly the same as that of every other team.

    In fact, the Habs shots for heat map shows mors shots from near the net than our against map.

    Shots against: http://tinyurl.com/lb72czy

    Shots for: http://tinyurl.com/kkj77la

    So the conclusion is false. The Habs don’t give up more shots from the crease, at least not based on that data.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Even the four conf finalists?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Also, does the site (which — sorry — I’m not visiting, a paranoia thing) distinguish between regular season and playoffs?

      I’ve never seen these graphics, but the analysis they appear to reinforce meshes with how I saw Montreal play in the final weeks of the season and much of the time vs Ottawa.

    • punkster says:


      Make sure you hit the right drop downs.

      All goals and shots

      1273 total Shots and Goals, 193 without (x,y) coordinates.
      Average distance: 36.6 feet
      Shooting Percentage: 119 goals / 1273 shots = 9.3%

      1292 total Shots and Goals, 256 without (x,y) coordinates.
      Average distance: 36.1 feet
      Shooting Percentage: 95 goals / 1292 shots = 7.4%

      Goals and shots from 0 to 10 feet out
      113 total Shots and Goals, 15 without (x,y) coordinates.
      Average distance: 8.7 feet
      Shooting Percentage: 24 goals / 113 shots = 21.2%

      125 total Shots and Goals, 23 without (x,y) coordinates.
      Average distance: 8.3 feet
      Shooting Percentage: 19 goals / 125 shots = 15.2%

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

    • Chris says:

      True enough…I had been looking at some of the individual player maps and extrapolated too much from that.

      Here’s a number that jumps out. For shots against from 0-10 feet from the net, Montreal conceded 24 goals on 113 shots (there were another 15 without (x,y) coordinates).

      In the same category, Chicago conceded 15 goals on 111 shots (there were another 15 without (x,y) coordinates).

      Either Carey Price and Peter Budaj were simply that much worse than Corey Crawford and Ray Emery, or the difficulty level of the shots they faced was significantly higher. My inclination from watching the season unfold was that it was a healthy dose of both, but the numbers don’t back that hunch up.

  8. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Like to propose that Post of the Day (concerning hockey) is that between Eddie and Chris at 10.13 and 11am.

    Very brief exchange, but sums up — I’d suggest — what have been crucial issues for the Habs, and hence what needed to be altered by MB over the summer, and what we’re all looking forward to seeing new-and-improved starting in October in [Mavid?] days.

  9. B says:

    Is it reasonable to expect that a guy picked up for only $1.5M almost 2 months after he became a UFA can come in and be a solid top 4 Dman? That would be great, but it seems more like a 3rd pairing role player type of signing to me (which I don’t have a problem with). Reading some of the comments here makes me wonder if some folks are hyping and hoping for too much rather than just being happy with a big solid role player. Hopefully folks won’t start crapping on the guy if he simply fills his role without being a top 4 stud.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  10. HabFab says:

    Tickets are now on sale for the Red White Scrimmage game on September 14th with proceeds for Lac-Megantic Relief;

  11. sweetmad says:

    Thanks for all your good wishes,other people caring always makes things easier,it was especially hard because my daughter is in England and I could not afford to go over,nearly killed me.Thankyou again everyone,your children are never supposed to go before you,she is only 50 no age at all,not even seen her children married yet,let alone a granchild.

    I am so grateful I am so lucky.

  12. Dunboyne Mike says:


    Hi all,
    I know there’s been some discussion here already concerning the NFL and ESPN’s concussion documentary, but today’s NYT article linked above provides a good summary of the issues.

    At the risk of boring you by repeating a point I’ve made here more than once before, I’d like to propose — as Malcom Gladwell suggested a few years ago — that we the fans/viewers are complicit. Conceding this has huge implications for those of us who are big football fans.

    How’s this for doomsaying? While hockey can still save itself if only something — perhaps a wake-up call delivered by costly litigation — imposes a new culture of player safety on a resistant Hockey Inc., I feel emboldened to predict that football (and rugby) as we know them are so inextricably bound up with the high risk of brain injury that they will not survive, and that future generations will consider those who played these sports — and us who enjoyed watching them — as primitive and barbaric.

    I have always been a huge Steelers fan and would otherwise be dying to see whether they can bounce back this season, especially if it could involve humiliating the championship Ravens. But the more I learn about brain injury in football, the less appetite I have for the game.

    I often think of Roman parents bringing their kids to the Colosseum, hurrying to the front for the best seats.

    “It doesn’t matter if they dismember, disembowel and decapitate each other. They’re criminals/traitors/insubordinate slaves/black/Asian/Greek etc etc.”

    … is not too far from…

    “It doesn’t matter if they damage or lose their cognitive faculties/suffer continuous migraines/vertigo/nausea/blackouts/vision impairment. They’re paid millions.”

    (Hey, isn’t everybody glad I popped in?!)

    • Phil C says:

      Good rant Mike.

      Is rugby in the same boat as NFL football? I thought with no helmets and better tackling skills that rugby was not as dangerous, however I have never played.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Cheers, Phil.

        The contact in rugby is somewhat different from that of football, but what’s similar is that the head is at risk a lot of the time.

        Another factor is that rugby only turned professional in 1995, so it is only since then that professional players have been living in gyms all day, developing for the first time the combination of bulk, strength and speed that we’re used to seeing in the NFL. Very early days for the analysis of data. Meanwhile, those controlling the money are happy to keep milking the cow until the research catches up.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I agree that rugby is on a better path and has better opportunities to save itself, since the rules forbid ‘bodychecking’ or collision style tackles, but rather insist on wrapping a runner with your arms. With your arms out like that, your shoulder is more vulnerable, so you don’t crash into ballcarriers as hard. With your head not protected by a helmet, the strategy as a tackler is to target the waist, wrap the ballcarrier up and slide down to the hips or knees with your head off to the side, and bring the player down. You’re not using your head as a battering ram.

        Further, rugby, while it should be as reactionary as the NHL of FIFA, resistant to change and suspicious of new ideas, is actively trying to improve the game from a safety and spectacle standpoint. The changes to the scrum rules are a great illustration.

        We used to have both front rows bracing against the push from the rest of their packs, facing each other, and then diving into each other to set up. The collision was violent, draining, and occasioned many head bumps. Props and hookers would advise each other as to how and when it was best to headbutt your opponent. So each front row would crash into each other dozens of times from a couple of meters back/head start.

        Nowadays, with the “Crouch, Touch, Pause, Engage!” procedure, a lot of that has been taken out. And the IRB is now tinkering with it, with the refs now calling “Crouch, Touch, Set”, which it’s hoped will reduce injuries and breakdowns by ensuring that both sides are stationary and ready when they engage and the ball is put in. An added bonus is that this will also intend to speed up play, preventing breakdowns (annoying to fans) and scrum collapses (dangerous to players).


        Generally, the old practice of collapsing a scrum when you’re overmatched is no longer possible. When a player is not bound in properly, when he’s obviously pulling his opponent down, and his elbow points down at the ground and signals that clearly, he gets called for it. Practically, even if the method used is more subtle and not detected, refs still penalize the offending team, since the team that’s being pushed backward, or has something to gain by collapsing the scrum, is the one penalized, even if no overt infraction has been caught by the ref (NHL take note).

        Rugby has done a good job of being at the front of this, making changes in the last thirty years to ensure the sport stays exciting and to improve safety. These changes have been gradual, incremental, but they all point in the same direction and are having an effect, while the NFL is having to overcorrect in the span of a couple of seasons, in reaction to legal and financial threats. And while the NHL has its head in the sand, with a leadership team of Gary Bettman and Colin Campbell.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Salut UCE. All true.

          Two points. My understanding of changes to scrums is that they are less about preventing brain injury than neck injury. And, despite the differences in tackling technique which you list, heads clash, get booted, kneed and stamped on in rugby. Concussion city.

          You’re right, at the youth end they take care of business, with a big push on parents that the best way to stay safe playing rugby is to start young and receive proper training in technique. Absolutely true, but no way is it proof against getting concussed in a sport where your head is in the line of fire so much of the time. Forgive me, but to me it looks like rugby is ahead of the NHL only in that it is taking the window-dressing seriously. The NHL doesn’t even do that much yet.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            To your first point, I agree that the danger of a collapse scrum is neck injuries, and not specifically concussions. I am making a point that rugby is much more pro-active than the NFL or NHL. They have changed rules in the last couple of decades to improve the game from a safety and fan enjoyment aspect. England playing anti-rugby and just kicking the ball indiscriminately? Let’s have tries be worth five points, and not allow them to collapse every single ruck or maul they take part in. Presto, better viewing, and more safe rugby.

            And yes, the incidental contacts that you list will cause concussions, but these are hard to prevent in a fast, violent game. What the IRB has done though is taken out those ‘institutionalized’ opportunities for concussions by modifying scrum play. The NFL is trying to do the same with their proscription on hits to the head and on defenseless receivers. The NHL is doing so as well with their ban on checks to the head, and said they’d take out facewashes and that kind of after the whistler contact but didn’t follow through. And it still only imposes a five-minute penalty for punching opponents in the head.

            Most sports carry inherent risks. Soccer, as discussed here, is still seen as a ‘safe’ sport by parents, but now we’re hearing more and more that heading the ball is unsafe. Boys who like to skate might be encouraged to take up figure skating by nervous parents, but we’ve all seen the sickening falls these athletes take. Hockey, rugby and football all are much higher on the risk scale, and need to be pro-active to meet the demands of a modern age with much more awareness of concussion and head injuries. If the change must be dramatic, so be it.

            American football went through a crisis in the early 1900’s, when young men regularly died or were grievously injured playing the sport. One of the adaptations that was championed by forward thinking proponents of football was the introduction of the forward pass. Don Cherry-types cried that the sky was falling, it was taking the noble clash of men at the line of scrimmage out of the game, you might as well play tiddly-winks, they gnashed their teeth. It would kill the game, they argued. As we’ve seen, the forward pass and Joe Namath and Joe Montana and Dan Marino effectively did kill football. Or maybe they didn’t, I’m unclear on how that turned out.

            That’s what hockey is up against, idiots like Colin Campbell and PJ Stock and Mike Milbury being allowed to run the asylum, and resisting any substantial, reasonable, necessary change. Meanwhile rugby is addressing the quality and safety of the game by making progressive changes to the rules, and has I feel a better approach and is in a better position to shield itself from the oblivion that Gary Bettman is steering his league towards.

        • Phil C says:

          Interesting, thanks. If the sport of rugby can function without collison tackles, surely the sport of hockey would be fine without it too. I’m not holding my breath though.

          Another parodox of rugby is that not wearing protective gear makes the sport safer. I think hockey could learn a lesson here and cut down on the hard plastic gear.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Without collision tackles it is flag or tag rugby. Professional rugby is full of collision tackles and is a game of attrition. One example: this summer’s British and Irish Lions tour to Australia. SO many knocked out and flown home, so many originally unselected players suddenly flown out.

            There was a study done recently comparing football and rugby injuries. They are different but collectively they are equally bad. Imo, the lack of protective gear just alters the nature of the danger, doesn’t make it safer. (I’ll see if I can find the study).

            I agree that hockey can still save itself by changing (and implementing — even in the playoffs) the rules. The most obvious model would be Olympic hockey — anyone have access to meaningful stats comparing concussion rates between the NHL and Olympic hockey?

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Mike, maybe we’re having a difference in terms of terminology. What I mean by collision tackles are instances when a player bodychecks a ballcarrier, as opposed to a true tackle where you hit with the top of your shoulder as you wrap him up. A legal tackle is much less violent than one where a player keeps his arm at his side and just drives his shoulder into the opponent. The latter type is not permitted in rugby, but Canadian players often get caught doing it, through force of habit from their hockey days.

            Interesting study that you bring up, and yes it will be difficult to ‘safen up’ rugby, but I see the IRB as making an attempt, whereas the bleating sheep on NHL broadcast teams cried blue murder when Brendan Shanahan tried to.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Phil, I know for a fact that I never hit as hard in rugby as I did in hockey or football. With the padding and protection in the latter, you can launch yourself into an opponent with abandon and be reasonably sure you’ll be okay, whereas in rugby you have to tackle low and clean, or else you’ll pop your shoulder out. For your own sake, you take it down a notch in rugby.

    • wjc says:

      Mike: This argument is between, players, management, unions. This is not for the fans, if you want to watch….watch, if you want to look away and not watch……fine!

      As long as big money is involved, players will forgo the risks.

      As long as fans cheer and pay, those involved will forgo the risks.

      You are just an observer, let the car racer race, let the fighter fight, let the player excite. Make your own decision….are you in or are you out.

      Sport has grown to a multi-billion dollar industry. If you had the talent would you participate and take your chances.


      • punkster says:

        Yup, just wash your hands of it…look away…don’t get involved…don’t make waves…be proud of your indifference…tell yourself that’s the way things are and that’s the way things will stay.

        Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Hi wjc.

        All good points and valid. I still see it a little differently, however, and I suppose I’m wondering if there is a moral responsibility for us ALL to look at it differently.

        I HAVE been watching, and loving it. Loved the Steel Curtain and all the devastation they laid out. But Gladwell’s word “complicit” sends a chill.

        We could test the position you describe by making it about child pornography or mafia membership. You wouldn’t, I wouldn’t, no one on HIO would say “Make your own decision….are you in or are you out” about either of those things. And while there isn’t (yet!) anything criminal about football, maybe criminality isn’t the only factor that should make us step back and say, Hey maybe I shouldn’t be enjoying this.

        Believe me, wjc, I consider this with great reluctance.

        • wjc says:

          If fans stepped away, moral issue would be resolved on it’s own.

          They would have to change to get fans interested again. As it stands the interest is there so why change. If the interest is there, then the money is there and I would want to be a mult-millionaire as much as the next guy, if I had the opportunity.

          So you change the sport and it is not the same, so people turn to other interests, who have you served.

          Changes could and should be made but, by the players, there represntives (union) and management.

          The fans as a whole do not want to change a thing for the most part, because they enjoy and follow the sport the way it is. If you feel a moral obligation to no longer enjoy the spectacle, that would be your right.

          By the way it has been a pleasure to converse, with someone that does not take offense as some do, with a different point of view.

          thank you


          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            You’re right about the fans — no more likely to stop watching than Romans were to walking out of the Colosseum. (Maybe if Leafs fans had mobilized and boycotted games they could have precipitated a change of ownership to someone who prioritised winning over profit? Was never, ever going to happen though.)

            I also agree about money. As long as it’s flowing in, nobody in charge will be interested in changing a single thing. Financial ambition is such a powerful force that I reckon moral reflection has to be among the few opposing forces that could contribute to change.

            Maybe it boils down to the numbers of people who WOULD take the multi-millions, as you say, despite knowing that brain injury was a significant by-product of the sport, and those who wouldn’t. Isn’t that what eventually happened with slavery? Moral reprehension gradually spread through society and ultimately overpowered the (considerable and highly resistant) forces of financial gain.

            But it took time, and the way you describe the NFL is surely a pretty good summary of the way things stand now. I may well be taking your advice and ceasing to watch. Been thinking about it. Played it all through high school, love it….

    • on2ndthought says:

      I’m no lawyer, but I’ll bet there is anti-liability built in to the CBAs and contracts of most professional sports. Here the players can no more plead innocent than the doctors, owners, fans (at least for the past 10 years). I’ve always said (well, since Scott Stevens), any protection between a shield and the player wearing it, should be reproduced on the outside of the shield to protect the players not wearing it. It wouldn’t be the end of the problem, but may be the beginning of the solution.

      Holding my breath after years of disappointment: GO Bengals!

      “a cannonading drive”

  13. Maritime Ronn says:

    Tomorrow is Day 1 of Team Canada’s Olympic hockey team 4 day get together in Calgary.

    What is amusing in all of this is that the players will NOT be on the ice for the 4 days because of the $1M insurance cost.
    Are we to believe that all of the NHL, the NHLPA, and Hockey Canada have no means to pay the bill or divide up costs?

    So what exactly will they be doing for 4 days according to Tampa Yzerman? ( A curious choice at best)

    ” Not going on the ice isn’t the end of the world,” says Yzerman, the executive director of the national men’s team. “There’s lot of other things that need to be done in preparation, logistically going through how we’re going to get there, where we’ll stay, where family and friends may stay, a walkthrough of the venues, drug testing policy, a lot of informational things we need to go through and get out of the way. This is a good time to do it.”

    There may not be airport gates at Sochi, and flights may need the old fashion portable steps when the plane lands as we see used when Air Force 1 lands.

    So I’m figuring 1 complete day to practice going up and down the stairs from the plane to the ground without getting hurt.

    So what else could they be doing for the other 3 days?
    Back to Yzerman:
    ” The more time they can spend together, the more comfortable they’ll be when they get to Sochi and that’s a big part of it, ” Yzerman says.”

    OK, 47 players are invited, and only 25 players will make the final roster – many that already played together in 2010, and if they haven’t, they surely know each other.

    Here’s hoping no one puts on the movie Animal House and a Toga Party breaks out.

    Finally, all of this big preparation and final choice is kind of funny – as if it some kind of rocket science.

    I would bet that all of HIO posters could put together at least a Silver Medal team and most likely, a Gold Medal Canadian squad.

    There are really no bad choices.
    It’s like asking to choose a watch, and your choices are Patek Philippe, A. Lange & Sohne, or the trusted Rolex.

    • HabFab says:

      Looks like he can eliminate the airplane exiting practice, perhaps they can practice singing Oh Canada;

      EDIT; link wouldn’t take you directly to airport but Google Satellite showing the mobile Extension devices coming out of the Airport terminal, which is in Adler.

  14. sweetmad says:

    I have just had some really good news,my daughter Suzanne who is suffering Mutiple Myeloma, which is a cancer of the blood,has been confirmed to be in remission.Suzanne is very young to get this kind of cancer,it is usually people,70 year old or older, when this occurs,so they don’t know how it will react.After months of chemo and dialysis to get her stem cells,to replace after the chemo,she is feeling good.

    They caught it really early and Suzanne was very healthy to start with,so she was very lucky,if you can be lucky getting something like this.

    I am just so relieved,these past months have been terrible,I just had to share this.

    14th September a scrimmage for the poor people of that terrible train crash in Quebec,$5 entrance,all the money going to the fund,21,783 by $5, not bad to help these people.

    Happy wedding day to Carey,and happy birthday to Mike Boon.

  15. twilighthours says:

    Whatever. Wasn’t important anyway

    Edit: banned

  16. twilighthours says:


    Edit… Grrrr.. Can’t post a rant.

    Edit again… Just found another word that gets you auto modded

  17. twilighthours says:

    Chris, good stuff down there.

    There’s so much to respond to in this whole debate.

    1) using shot totals to indicate quality of penalty killing…. Sheesh, even Berkshire admitted that the sample sizes might be too small to be that relevant. Further, since you’re killing a penalty, it’s expected that you’ll be allowing shots. There must be something more to being an effective penalty killer than what shot totals might indicate, no? In this case, his team’s (sjs) great results with him in the ice for the pk don’t jive with what EOTP call bad rates of shots against. Ooh, I love it when there is cognitive dissonance. (We will just blame it on luck. Wink wink)

    2) EOTP is up front about totally ignoring his physical game – this being due to some sort of study done that negatively correlates the NHL hit data to shots at goal. I have so many issues with this, but I don’t have the heart or zest to write a normand-esque treatise on it. Suffice it to say: there’s only so many ways to get the puck back from your opponent, and using your body to free the puck remains the most effective. But let’s just ignore that basic fact of hockey.

    The worst part is that you can’t actually debate this kind of stuff over there as you just end up getting banned. I’ve seen it many times, and as recently as this week.

    Argh. End of rant


  18. punkster says:

    That’s what she sa…

    No wait!

    (Yes, a reasonable discussion on a subject that is easily misunderstood)


  19. habsfan0 says:

    Happy Birthday to Mike Boone, and Happy Wedding Day to Carey Price and his fiancee!

    Hope they’ll all be happy!

  20. HabFab says:

    HabsWorld Fantasy Hockey projections for Chucky;

  21. HabFab says:

    @Timo, the important training camp opened in Columbus today;

    Does Calgary employ such distractions?

  22. Chuck says:

    Good Saturday morning! And a happy birthday to our favourite resident blogger, Mike Boone!

  23. HabFab says:

    And the gauntlet is thrown down to the NHL, no more Mr Nice Guy;

  24. frontenac1 says:

    @john Q. James Brown saw the Bridge! The Sex Machine amigo.

  25. Timo says:

    Off to Carey’s wedding. Bull riding and country music – should be a blast.

    • HabFab says:

      Heard he was honeymooning at your place, can I get a CONFIRMED?

    • Strummer says:

      Oh damn- my chaps are at the cleaners!

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      You know, Timo, it’s been nagging at me for a while, but your post about Carey’s wedding finally convinces me of the true identity behind your nickname and Ali G avatar.

      Josh Gorges.

      This also explains your devotion to MAB, your knowledge of Price’s choice of hair products, and all the other information which can only come from one place: inside the room.

      Finally it all makes sense, and I think I speak for everyone when I say ‘thanks’ for the insider view and keep up the good work.

      (Btw, I never went with the Josh-is-gay thing, but as for my PK-for-captain position, bygones? Any tickets?)

  26. frontenac1 says:

    Concussions are everywhere amigos! A friends wife plays Rec. League soccer and he said two of the players on her team are out with Concussions this season! Ladies Soccer?

    • SmartDog says:

      I played soccer last summer in a co-rec league. The hardest hit I took all year was a woman who blasted the ball into my face from six feet away. I flew up in the air and backwards cartoon-style. No concussion but a combination of leg strength and panic almost knocked me out.

      I got her back later with a hip check into the Gatorade tub. But that’s a whole other story.
      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Chris says:

      Concussions are actually very common in soccer. With the amount of heading of the ball, there are studies that are starting to show that professional soccer players in England are suffering from many of the similar degenerative brain conditions that are garnering attention for retired American football and hockey players.

      In rec league, it is more likely from collisions than anything else. Some people are just stupidly careless when they play soccer, not paying attention to anybody around them. Saw a guy almost break his leg last night in our pick-up game when somebody just recklessly mule-kicked him trying to do a back-pass. The swelling was pretty grotesque, and that was through his shin pad.

      • SmartDog says:

        I played most of my life, and never liked heading the ball – avoided it when possible. Glad I did, I know those studies well. There are studies that show that even after a “normal” game with no noted trauma, kids who head the ball are poorer at facial recognition tasks. Basically, banging your head against something is not good.

        My son plays soccer and he (on my advice) refuses to take part in ball-heading practices, and in games avoids heading the ball. He’s not going to play professional soccer, why do damage to a brain he’s going to need for his real livelihood – whatever that is.

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  27. The Cat says:

    Id go with Luongo for Team Canada, I think he’s going to have his career year. His hunger cannot be any higher

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  28. ProHabs says:

    Price only invited 6 teammates to his wedding. This doesn’t sound good at all. There must be a huge rift on the team. Enjoy your day Carey.

    • Mc says:

      How do you know he only invited 6 teammates? Could it not be that, with players living all over the world during the off season, only 6 could make it?


  29. SmartDog says:

    For people interest in Murray and what the book is on him, I compiled a few notes from recent reports and articles.

    Murray, 33, is nothing if not imposing. He’s listed at 6-foot-3 and 245 pounds, but that seems light to anyone who’s stood next to the native of Bromma, Sweden.

    Can play an effective stay-at-home role and excels in penalty-killing situations. Is an awesome physical specimen and loves to dish out bone-crunching hits.

    His strengths are positional play, penalty kill, shot-blocking, making it unpleasant for opposing players to hang out near his goaltender’s crease and standing up for teammates when necessary.

    In his eight seasons in San Jose, Murray spent time playing on the top defence pair with Dan Boyle, but the last two seasons was a third-pairing player as his foot-speed became more of a factor.


    There was also a reference to him needing to NOT take bad penalties. So he plays with an edge – I guess we’ll see if there’s enough positive in that.

    But for a guy who is huge, tough, hits, and can actually clear the front of the net (something we have no-one to do), I think he could turn out to be a great acquisition.

    IMO, a lot (his value, and his place in the line-up) is riding on whether he can keep his foot speed up enough not to be a liability. With Markov also slowing, this is a real concern. But he knows this and the Habs know this so hopefully they’re focusing on that right now in his training and he comes to camp in good shape. Sometimes a new location will reinvigorate a guy – if that happens for him, we could love him. And if not, he’s a depth role player who’ll crush a few guys we hate. A couple of giant hits on Marchand and Lucic will make him worth a year contract to me.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Smart puppy! I put this up for you today!
      Douglas Murray flattens Brian Boyle

      A couple of these might make the Bell Center a place not so soft anymore.!!

      Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

      • SmartDog says:

        Nice Ian. Good hit! Clean and right on target.

        I like this quote from the article:

        “A big part of why I decided on Montreal was I had very good conversations with Marc Bergevin about how they view me as a player and how they were planning on using me as a player,” divulged Murray, who will be looking to represent Sweden at his second Olympic Games this February. “I feel better than ever. I can play as many minutes, if not more, than I have in the past. I feel great and I’m excited to get going. I definitely don’t feel old; the people who know me know the last thing I am is an old soul.”

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          I haven’t seen much of Murray play so I watched the hits video with great interest.

          Am I imagining it, or were they all clean?

          If so, it wouldn’t of course mean that he’s always clean. But it would be interesting in its own way if the video compiler made their selection that way.

    • Chris says:

      The problem with Markov was that he was paired with a defenceman that was similarly prone to some pretty epic gaffes in Emelin. Emelin is still learning how to play on NHL ice as well as learning to play his off-side. I’m not sure that that pairing is all that optimal.

      I still think Gorges and Markov make a nice pairing. Gorges is smart enough and mobile enough to cover for Markov’s offensive gambles.

      Murray would be a good partner for Diaz, as Diaz’s intelligence and mobility can make up for some of Murray’s lack of speed. Diaz is a very solid positional defenceman and he gets the puck out of the zone very well.

      • SmartDog says:

        That makes sense Chris. I agree about Diaz. Very smart and very mobile. Without that, he wouldn’t be in the NHL.

        It’s frustrating when you see pairings that don’t work or lines that have obvious problems. I know the coaches are much smarter than us (about hockey) but sometimes the coach has his eye on making something work a certain way and everyone can see it’s failings but they persist anyway. And of course sometimes things just take a while to fit, or a little luck or chemistry (and other intangibles).

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Good one. Emelin has excellent potential but has more development ahead of him. A good measuring stick (can use “acid test,” but “Litmus testing” has nothing to do with quality) is whether the coach starts using any defenseman on 5-on-3 penalty kills.

        “Where’s the Beef?/What’s the Beef?”

      • savethepuck says:

        What do you think of Markov paired with PK? PK seems to have the speed to make up for Markov if he gets caught gambling but maybe not the other way around.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • Chris says:

          Subban is too much of a gambler with his hits. He still runs around a bit, and he’s actually pretty guilty of giving up a lot of scoring chances in the slot because he can get caught chasing.

          Because of that, I just don’t see that as a great 5-on-5 pairing. In some respects, I think Subban-Bouillon make an excellent pairing, but most Habs fans would be repulsed by the idea of Bouillon getting top pairing even strength minutes.

          The alternative pairings don’t make a lot of sense:

          Markov-Murray – too slow
          Bouillon-Diaz – too small
          Murray-Subban – too many minutes for Murray
          Markov-Subban – too many gambles

          • Dunboyne Mike says:


            I like the weirdness of PK+Bouillon! And it’s not that weird once you think about it (Young Gun+Wily Vet). And can you imagine what it would do for Cube’s psyche, knowing that this is probably his last hurrah?!

            But what about the minutes? How could Cube manage?

            Also, about PK as gambler: it would cause uproar on HIO, but a certain amount of it could surely be coached out of him?… (I’m talking about the open-ice hits, not offensive gambling which I fully endorse).

        • HammerHab says:

          that gives markov to much ice time….at this point in his career he is most valuable on special teams and as a mentor. markov-murray might be a slow 3rd pairing but with minimal ice time shouldn’t be too much of a concern. The PK is where this pair would excel. I’m hoping when Emelin returns he can prove himself worthy of being paired with Subban….that would be an awesome top pairing IMO.


          It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Phil C says:

      Many good points. A team like Montreal s a good fit for Murray. This may be why he signed here.

      You mention he played with Boyle. Maybe they should pair Murray with Subban. Subban has the speed to cover for Murray and Murray could be Subban’s body guard, allowing him to be an even better agitator. It would be the most dangerous blueline to cross with the puck in the league.

  30. Chris says:

    By the way, for the advanced stats fans, you can generate shooting “heat maps” to see where shots came from while a given player is on the ice. It can be pretty interesting to look at. One thing that jumps out: Montreal really does concede a ridiculous number of shots from the danger area of the ice.

    • HabFab says:

      Chris, can’t open your link.

      • Chris says:

        Fixed now…thanks Frank!

        • HabFab says:

          Book marked that one… good stuff. I’m a numbers guy and all stats certainly have their uses. Unfortunately some seem to take an useful tool and enshrine them as the all encompassing commandments. I agree that overall team stats are more important then this focus on individuals ones… hockey does remain a team sport.

    • Eddie says:

      in basketball, you win when you control the boards. in football it’s the line play, the “trench warfare”. in hockey the winning team is usually winning the battles in and around the blue paint.

      • Chris says:


        On offence, Montreal surrenders the blue paint without a fight. Nobody wants to go there (except Gallagher, bless his heart).

        On defence, the overload defensive scheme leaves the front of the net woefully unprotected far too often.

  31. HabinBurlington says:

    It will be interesting to see what kind of contract Pietrangelo gets in St. Louis, will he get the same bridge type that PK received, or will Meehan be able to squeeze out a long term contract?

  32. HammerHab says:

    @Phil C August 23, 2013 at 4:47 pm
    “Nobody got more PK time than Diaz in the Ottawa series. I would rather see him with Murray than Markov, let Markov focus on the PP. He is a better PKer than most give him credit for. Otherwise, I agree with your special teams.”

    Our PK was 76% in the playoffs last season. If Diaz was a major part of that I don’t want him on there anymore.

    I’ve also seen other posters say Murray might not be good on the PK, but I don’t think anybody is saying he’ll be our #1 PKer. 2nd wave PK sounds about right for him with Subban & Gorges on #1


    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Phil C says:

      Yes, but you can’t lay that performance on Diaz, there are 3 other players and the goalie on the ice with him. By that logic, Pleks is also a bad penalty killer.

      Diaz is smart positionally and has an active stick, two strong attributes for a PKer.

      Anyway, we are all entitled to our opinion on Diaz. My main point is that Diaz rarely gets mentioned as PKer, yet in the playoffs last year, he was the first shoulder to get a tap from the coaches. As such, it improves his value to the team, as he can be used in many situations.

      • HammerHab says:

        Among forwards Pleks just had too much icetime to be effective. He played nearly 20 minutes more than any other forward in that series, played 5 more PK minutes than anyone else, and 2 mins more PP time than anyone. That was definitely a contributor to the his poor PK but it hangs on everyone. Diaz was paired with Gorges which I think was a mistake. Neither one is an effective crease clearer. God bless Gorges, I love the guy but a crease clearer he is not. I’ll give you Diaz on the #2PK as long as it’s with a Murray/Emelin type. He’s interchangeable with Markov even though I still see Markov as a better PKer than Diaz. His vision & puck moving skills are better and as long as his 5 on 5 time is managed well he can be a great piece on the PK.


        It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

      • B says:

        FWIW, during the playoffs, Diaz led the team with 17 blocked shots (5 more than the next guy, Gorges) and only Tinordi had more hits by a Dman.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • HabFab says:

          Perception can be a strange but powerful and ugly beast! Haters got to hate it seems…

        • Phil C says:

          Some interesting numbers. He is a little under-appreciated sometimes.

        • HammerHab says:

          blocked shots is an interesting stat…..i wonder about it’s true value….an effective defense prevents opponents from actually attempting shots….if you’re blocking a lot of shots is it because you’ve given the opposition a scoring opportunity and are now scrambling to take that away? blocked shots on the PK now those are incredibly important, but 5 on 5 I’m not so sure….


          It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

  33. HabFab says:

    Roster Update;

    NHL contracts – 6G + 14D + 25F

    AHL contracts – 3D + 4F

    25 game PTO contract – Eric Nystrom (if successful, he would sign a NHL level contract)

  34. HabinBurlington says:

    In light of the recent story where it appears the NFL was able to pressure ESPN to backoff a documentary exposing the concussion issues in the NFL, how much pressure does TSN and others get from the NHL?

  35. HabFab says:

    Upcoming dates;

    Sept 3rd – Annual golf tournament
    Sept 5th – Rookie Camp medicals
    Sept 6-10 – Rookie Camp
    Sept 11th – Main Camp medicals
    Sept 12th – Main Camp
    Sept 14th – Scrimmage with proceeds going to Lac-Megantic relief
    Sept 15th – First Exhibition game
    Oct 1st – Season starts

  36. Stevie.Ray says:

    What would you offer Subban if you were Berg?

    The top five cap hits for defensemen are:

    Weber 7.85m
    Suter 7.5m
    Campbell 7.1m
    Doughty 7m
    Chara 6.9m

    Karlsson has the 9th highest cap hit at 6.5m.

    I think giving him Weber and Suter money is too much, but would be fine with a Doughty or Chara deal, but would hope for a home team discount (not that we deserve one after his bridge steal…I mean deal)

    7m x 8 years seems fair, but would hope for 6.5 x 8 years

    • savethepuck says:

      You are forgetting about Letang’s 8 yr 58 mil ( 7.25 M CAP hit ) that takes affect next summer. Suter and Weber are front loaded to bring the CAP hits down and the others were several years ago. PK will at least get Letang money if he has another good season.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  37. Ian Cobb says:

    Our new look Hab’s are not going to get pushed around Bell Center ice by the Teddy Bears or any other club, like they did last year.

    We have the speed, scoring ability, goal tending, and finally, we now have a tougher defense.

    Are we good enough to compete for 1st place in our conference this year??

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If this team can hold its own defensively until Emelin returns, and or some players like Tinordi perhaps get ready for a callup, the Defence could really improve. I don’t think this team will compete for 1st in our conference, but would love to see it.

      This is a real big year, as by next season our blue chip prospects should start being ready to backfill our roster. Those 4 years of trading picks to make the team more playoff ready are nearly behind us.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning bud. I think this camp will have some meaningful competition. There are some players who could surprise and make this roster. Perhaps some veterans may be in trouble of losing their jobs. I just hope that MT as he did with Gallagher and Galchenyuk, allows players like Bournival, Tinordi, Louie L and Thomas to have a legitimate shot at making this team.
        Even if a few do make it to the big club, the Bulldogs could have a very entertaining group of players.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Morning Jim, yes indeed the Bulldogs should provide much more entertainment this season. I hope to go to a few more games this season than last. Have a great day, I am off to the links again today in a wee bit and the day looks perfect!

        • Ron says:

          Be careful Jim, Frank and Burl had lamented early in the evening last night that since you added me to the “Will” and in turn moved to castracize them from it there maybe consequences in retaliation, so tread lightly my great benefactor.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        I am getting excited again Gerald. Like you say, we have to wait a little bit for our blue chip kids to be NHL ready for sure. But I think we have added a few players that will help the whole roster play 6 inches taller.

    • tophab says:

      first in our division for sure.

  38. savethepuck says:

    Interesting to see that EOTP has Lehkonen ranked 13th on their top 25 under 25. That is ahead of McCarro, De La Rose, and Fucale who the Habs took ahead of him less than 2 months ago. They must think Timmins is an incompetent idiot. Personally, I think he has an impressive track record.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      They all actually really like Timmins as far as I can tell. They just really like Lekhonen too. Lekhonen easily has more skill than Mccarron and De La Rose. He is just smaller and has a concussion history. Without the concussions he would have been flirting with the first round. Personally, I don’t see Mccarron, De La Rose or Lekhonen making any significant impact in the NHL for various reasons. But Fucale, in four or five years, will make the NHL and 1 career NHLer per draft is average.

      • savethepuck says:

        I thought it was just because Lehkonen just did really well at the recent WJHC tryouts.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • Talik Sanis says:

          Here’s a crazy thought: maybe if you read the article, examining the many, specific reasons why they value Lehkonen, and his myriad above-average skills, more than Mccarron and De La Rose, you might actually understand why they value Lehkonen more than Maccarron and De La Rose, rather than being forced to cherry-pick an answer from the comments of the article.

          You might also what to focus on the issues of draft strategy – who can I get where? – injury concerns, and relative performance within and outside players’ age groups.

    • Mark C says:

      Their big on stats, Lehkonen put up very impressive numbers as a 17 year old in a men’s league. Also, I don’t think any of the writers there have any training as a scout. Hard to fault them for not being able to project what kind of player McCarron will be in five years. They just don’t have those skills. Lehkonen’s skills are well developed, obvious, thus easier to scout and make a projection on.

    • twilighthours says:

      From this years draft, I only see mccaron, de la rose, and fucale playing in the NHL with regularity. And mccaron is going to be a crap shoot.

  39. Ian Cobb says:

    Saturday Morning Summit News!!

    1st, I have mailed your game and hall of fame tickets out to you, Who are you seated beside?

    Everyone is welcome to join us at any of our events. Even if you have your own game tickets or you are not going to the game.
    But PLEASE! everyone must let me know, so that I request enough reservations for US.

    Also, the Novotel hotel informs me that there are about 10 rooms left at the HIO discount rate. 1 to 4 nights. Tel. 866-861-6112

    We are staying at the Novotel hotel, discount rates at 866-861-6112 Tell them you are with HIO to get your discount.

    We will all meet and greet at Hurley’s pub Friday eve. on Crescent St.
    Some of us will be having supper there, and name tags will be given out.
    Everyone is welcome to join us. Wear you team colors! and enjoy the evening.

    Saturday morning, breakfast is at Chez Cora’s at 8:30am. 1240 Drummond St.
    You can order a la cart and everyone gets 15% discount off your bill.

    After breakfast we walk over to the Bell Center for the Hall of Fame and Bell Center Tour.

    At 3pm the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation Charity Raffle at the Baton Rouge restaurant 1050 Mountain St.
    A couple of special guests will be joining us there.

    Each person is asked to bring one gift item, to donate to our under privileged children’s charity raffle. Reg Houle is bringing a team signed stick. All gift raffle tickets will be selling at 3pm sharp. 1 raffle ticket for $20 or 3 tickets for $40

    Then our wonderful Baton Rouge Restaurant pre game dinner. This year there are so many of us, we are asked to start ordering our meal at 4pm.

    After dinner we walk across the street to the Bell Center and watch our new look Hab’s beat the Sharks.

    After the game the 2nd floor of Hurley’s pub is reserved for us again, to celebrate the win. Anyone may join us, just identify yourself as a HIO member.

    Please be generous with your charity raffle gifts and your purchase of raffle tickets. It is a way for the HIO community to give back to less fortunate kids.

    Everything is walking distance, so park your car for the weekend.
    Enjoy talking hockey and meeting your wonderful HIO community at this years Hab’s Fan Summit.

  40. JohnBellyful says:

    This week we had a poster return after a self-imposed exile but with a slightly different handle. But he’s far from being the first to adopt a new identity. Here are some others with the names they used to go by:

    Ian Cobb (Ian Cob) – never understood the change but I think this is where Maritime Ronn got his inspiration (welcome back, Ronn)
    HabFab (FlimFlam) – it’s a long story
    Chris (Cross) – it got to the point where he no longer could bear it
    Punkster (Funkster) – and before that, it was Dumpster
    Un Canadien errant (An articulate bilingual fellow in BC who likes to post erudite lengthy thought pieces on all matters hockey as well as other subjects, including those as lowly as the San Diego Chargers) – His password was even longer
    HabinBurlington (HabinPrison) – hey, we’ve all made mistakes and move on, or get paroled
    Cal (Culus) – finally figured out his first choice was a bit too confusing
    JF (FU) – it just caused too many hard feelings
    Eddie (Ed) – didn’t we already go over this?
    Lafleurguy (Robinsonlarry) – until he got a cease-and-desist letter from a Robinson Larry in Seattle
    24 Cups (23 Cups) – self-explanatory
    SmartDog (SmartPup) – ditto
    L Elle (A Ay, B Bee, C Cee, D Dee, …) – sometimes it takes awhile for a poster to find her identity
    habstrinifan (Lee-Yaw) – other posters kept confusing his real name with that hillbilly show
    Timo (Warm and Fuzzy) – see what happens when a team doesn’t win the Cup in 20 years
    HardHabits (BadHabits) – I dunno, I kinda like the first one
    Ron (Sue) – more than a name change happened here
    frontenac1 (frontenac2) – moved up when the first guy died from cirrhosis
    Habfan10912 (Habfan1) – Jim changes his name every month, he uses like an oldometer

  41. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    For any that missed the TSN Luongo interview, it was interesting on several levels.

    It somewhat exposed the player himself and some of the inner workings when dealing with multi million dollar players. (Luongo was “surprised” he was NOT consulted when Schneider was traded to NJ)

    On one level, there is no doubt that Luongo has been messed with by the organization.
    On another, we notice the cocoon nature of these athletes and perhaps how they are either oblivious or insulated from the ‘real world’.

    While one can understand the professional/personal frustrations of a Luongo and his playing the ‘poor me’ sympathy card, it becomes difficult to buy-in when this 34 year old has already earned over $56,000,000 to date, with guaranteed monies of another $40,000,000 over the next 9 years – regardless if he plays well, or like a Pee Wee goalie.
    Performance is irrelevant!

    This is by no means a complaint against NHL salaries.
    On the contrary, it’s great to see any individual in any industry that can maximise his/her earnings in a chosen field.
    The NHL is pure capitalism based on the supply-demand rule, where players/owners shared earnings are dictated by what the willing consumer is eager to pay.

    The difficulty becomes in understanding the terms “mistreated” or “unfair”….or any other words used by the pampered multi millionaire or even minimum wage Pros when they feel disrespected in their own minds.

    From here, perhaps those terms should be reserved for others.
    People such as the innocent women and children that die in American drone bombings in Afghanistan and Pakistan – an example being the almost 300 that died at a wedding reception because of some faulty ‘Intelligence’ (word used lightly)….but they are never really murdered, because they become classified as “Collateral Damage”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good Morning Ronn, I caught most of the interview and it was interesting. No doubt comparing the “hardships” of pro athletes and those which you mention at the end of your post are indeed incomparable.

      Luongo is a bit of an enigma, and I find it interesting that he doesn’t regret his comments regarding his contract. In watching that interview, it certainly doesn’t appear to me that he is fully bought in to the Canucks. This story doesn’t seem over to me yet, and I still wouldn’t be surprised if Roberto ends up being a compliance buyout this upcoming offseason if indeed things don’t go well this season.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Hi burli
        Will get back to you later – acupuncture appt.

      • Eddie says:

        when a man has no food to eat he complains about the pain of an empty stomach. once he finds food, for an extended period of time, he forgets about the pain and he begins complaining about the quality or quantity of the food.

        people who make 10 million a year still find reasons to complain about their work, about their associates, about their colleagues, about their suppliers or about their clients.

    • Cal says:

      $56 million means never having to say you’re sorry, I guess!

  42. SmartDog says:

    As another strong PK guy, Murray is a good addition to the team.

    This means more freedom for Plekanec to play an offensive role, more pressure off Moen to…. do anything. Which opens up the option to sail him away on a firey boat if he doesn’t show that he wants to play.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Rob says:

      how does a penalty killing defenceman free up Plekanec?

      The Montreal Canadiens: sporting the best AND worst fans since 1909!

    • SlovakHab says:

      Is there any statistical evidence that Murray is strong on PK?
      All I read so far is that he is very much below average on PK. Same as 5-on-5, in fact.

      I’m yet to read an analysis showing that at this stage of his career, he is an upgrade over Bouillon or Tinordi (or Drewiske).

      • Habs_Norway says:

        I read an article, think it was on prohockeytalk.com, where he says he takes “great pride” in killing penalties , loves to block shots and be physical.

        Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

        • SlovakHab says:

          Yeah, but is he good at it?
          I never take anything that a player says in account, they are trained to say “the right things”.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Well, he has been a dman on playoff teams for most of his NHL career, so perhaps that is worth something. Then there is the fact that he was in high demand at the last trade deadline and one of the top teams in the Reg. Season acquired him.

            He is a role playing dman for this team, a bit part which was much needed. There is a reason he only has a 1 yr. deal for 1.5million deal with the Habs. But he can indeed help this team.

          • savethepuck says:

            I don’t think he sucks. He played for Sweden in the 2010 Olympics and I don’t think that country is that weak on D.

            “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
            Carey Price

      • Chris says:

        Douglas Murray is generally a very good penalty killer. The idea that he is not is coming out of the advanced statistics crowd, based onhis ranking in Fenwick and Corsi. This is one of those cases where the advanced stats break down.

        Fenwick and Corsi are very useful as team stats. Their predictive power begins to break down big time when you try to apply it player-by-player, but that hasn’t stopped people from doing so.

        Murray definitely had an off year, by his standards, last season. Yet he can still be a very useful player and has some good motivation this season: he’s on a one-year deal and must therefore earn his next contract, and he’ll want to impress if he wants to take advantage of an outside shot of making Sweden’s Olympic team.

        • Talik Sanis says:

          So, it is demonstrable that Murray lacks the ability to prevent shots on the penalty kill, which, lets say for the sake of argument, doesn’t matter, and it is also demonstrable that he lacks the ability to prevent goals against on the penalty kill — indeed, he has gotten worse at preventing both (though, again, lets say the former doesn’t matter) — why then do you think that he is a good penalty-killer?

          Do you have counter-evidence that suggests he has a positive effect on the penalty-kill? Can you answer the argument with more than a mischaracterization of the analysis of the “advanced stats crowd,” who did not, if fact, just use Fenwick and corsi in their arguments, but examined both process and results?

          • Chris says:

            It is demonstrable that Murray lacks the ability to prevent shots? Funny, he finished 20th in the NHL in that statistic last season.

            He was the primary penalty killing defenceman on a team that finished 6th in the NHL at killing penalties.

            Fans that follow both San Jose and Pittsburgh have frequently comment that he had an off year, but that he still brought a lot to their team.

            The vast majority of his exposure came with the Penguins in the playoffs where he looked slow. Here’s the thing. If people had actually watched the Sharks over the past few years, they would know that he has always been slow. The guy has been described as the slowest skater in the NHL for over 5 years. But he got the job done because he is smart and doesn’t take big risks.

            As I said, I freely acknowledge that he had a bad year last season. He’s not the first or last defenceman that will be looking for a bounce-back season.

            He’s a veteran defenceman that cost the team relatively little and wanted no term. If it doesn’t work out, it essentially costs the team nothing.

            Honest question: how many regular season games did the guys over at Eyes on the Prize actually watch Douglas Murray play before writing up their hatchet jobs on Murray? How many games did they watch the Sharks play while charting only the play of Murray? Answer truthfully. Arguing that process and results were examined is laughable.

            Scouting hockey isn’t easy. Andrew Berkshire’s article today mentions Christopher Boucher, somebody who has put a lot of work into proper statistical analysis of a player’s impact on a game. Chris watches games, keys in on one player and charts EVERYTHING about that player: battles they win, good player, bad plays, poor pivots, etc. If the guys over at Eyes on the Prize want to get serious about being analytical hockey reporters, the title they have claimed for themselves, that is a good place to start.

            That is proper analysis. That is what the scouts do when they go to hockey games. I know this, because I often end up sitting with the scouts at OHL games and watch how they do it. As a result, I’ve tried to do the same thing when I go to games, focussing on guys that are likely to make the NHL. It is bloody hard.

            This is what you miss when you watch games on TV or use readily available numbers to try to estimate a player’s value. San Jose is one of the most successful franchises in the NHL. They play a defensive game. They felt it was in their best interests to use Murray as their top penalty killer, averaging 2:53 per game while with the Sharks, and their penalty kill was doing well. Pittsburgh wanted some defensive help, so they spent two 2nd round picks (a massive overpay, in my estimation) on Murray.

            Murray hits, he is trusted by elite teams to play on the penalty kill, and he generally makes smart decisions. He’s aging, and his days as a top-4 defenceman should hopefully be over, but he can still contribute.

            Writing hatchet jobs on new signings is popular, but ultimately it is pointless. I could have written a brilliant expose on Hal Gill when he was signed by Pittsburgh based on his absolute stunning ineptitude with the Bruins and Leafs his previous three seasons. But then a funny thing happened…the game subtly changed, and Gill’s experience and style of play allowed him to be stunningly effective in Pittsburgh and then especially in Montreal. Fit is crucial…Gill thrived with Subban and Gorges as partners as they are both excellent skaters who complemented him well.

            Murray may or may not make it in Montreal. We’ll find out soon enough. If he doesn’t, then the hatchet job writers can point to this as another feather in their cap and demonstrate their predictive powers. But if he does, you can almost be assured that we won’t hear much in the way a mea culpa.

            What absolutely slays me is that people are using Fenwick and Corsi as metrics for puck possession. People can PVR the games, and many of these sites have numerous contributors. Stop being lazy, grab a stop-watch, and simply time this yourselves. Then the whole debate over how effectively Corsi and Fenwick “predict” puck possession (which is a strong correlation, but not fool-proof as I am sure you know) is moot.

          • punkster says:

            Ya Chris…it’s a bummer when people bring other viewpoints using alternate methods of analysis to a hockey discussion threatening traditional eye test methods.

            Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
            ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

          • Talik Sanis says:

            I’m afraid that I don’t have the time to answer every point, so I apologize in advance for cherry-picking.

            “It is demonstrable that Murray lacks the ability to prevent shots? Funny, he finished 20th in the NHL in that statistic last season.”

            We seem to be speaking about different kinds of shots – and that’s my fault for being unspecific. I am not speaking of shots against the goaltender, but shots attempts as the article employs. The purpose in examining both Fenwick and Corsi here is, in part, to examine the effect of team shot-blocking. By the very possession statistics they examine, he was terrible at preventing shot attempts.

            “Arguing that process and results were examined is laughable.”

            There is no argument as to both process and results being examined; this is a simple fact of their analysis, but it is again a matter of your misinterpreting my obvious meaning given the context. The processes examined is preventing shot attempts against. The result, however that result was achieved (in this case, by what “process” according to your consideration – Murray’s style of play), was that he allowed a significant number of goals against, not just this year, but over the last three years, with a noticeable decline in his performance.

            “Honest question: how many regular season games did the guys over at Habs Eyes on the Prize actually watch Douglas Murray play before writing up their hatchet jobs on Murray? How many games did they watch the Sharks play while charting only the play of Murray? Answer truthfully.”

            You know as well as I do that I can’t answer that question, as I do not have intimate knowledge of their actions. I cannot deny the possibility that they did not watch him at all, but they never claimed to offer us a traditional scouting report; they gave us raw data on performance (my version) and results, simple prevention of goals. No one, least of all the writers at Eyes on the Prize, disregard actual viewings of players – visual scouting. Even the most strident proponents of advanced stats agree (and Berkshire has stated it repeatedly) that both a visual analysis of a player and a breakdown of his performance on a statistical level must be performed to provide context for one another. They are mutually complementary processes that both supply us with different forms of information that can then be used to form a better picture of a player, his strengths, and his weaknesses. Almost everyone believes this to be the case, save for those who outright dismiss advanced statistics.

            What you suggest is a mischaracterization of their beliefs on scouting and understanding both individual players and the game. You have created a straw man whose nose is buried in a statistics book and never looks up to watch a game.

            As for watching the game, I have gone back to watch him since his acquisition, and, while I try to maintain an unbiased perspective, I’ve always found Murray to be an unimpressive player at best, constantly losing races for loose pucks and missing positional assignments because of an overly-aggressive style.

            “Writing hatchet jobs on new signings is popular, but ultimately it is pointless. I could have written a brilliant expose on Hal Gill when he was signed by Pittsburgh based on his absolute stunning ineptitude with the Bruins and Leafs his previous three seasons. But then a funny thing happened…the game subtly changed, and Gill’s experience and style of play allowed him to be stunningly effective in Pittsburgh and then in especially in Montreal.”

            You likely could have written such an article, however it is highly unlikely that you could not have done so using the same metrics employed here, as the same kinds of people on Eyes on the Prize who decry Murray’s acquisition were not against Gill’s signing in Montreal; the underlying statistics actually accorded with the perception that he was a valuable penalty-killer.

          • Chris says:

            Talik: Note that my comment was regarding Gill’s signing in Pittsburgh. At that time, the advanced statistics were not pretty for Hal Gill. He really found his stride with the Penguins and then excelled with the Habs. With the Leafs and the Bruins, it wasn’t good.

            I disagree that many of the advanced statistics sites have put much effort into combining visual and mathematical numbers. Most of this data is regurgitation of the efforts of a couple major sites (behindthenet.ca, hockeyanalysis.com). Claiming that it is important to merge mathematical and video analysis but then never actually making any attempt to do so is disingenuous, at best. This is the crux of my issue with “advanced analysis” as it stands now. The numbers being thrown about have been around for about 15 years….where’s the next generation? I think Boucher has hit upon the right idea, but we need more of the stats people to get involved. One guy can’t chart 800 NHL players. So it isn’t a straw-man argument if people continue to refuse to use all the information at their disposal. I would love to be proven wrong on this one, because the site that did that would be instantly in my bookmarks. I love proper analysis of a game or a player, using statistics, video evidence and tactical breakdowns of what the player is doing right and wrong.

            I actually support a lot of the analysis that is being done. I just think that too many of the people that are involved are overly ambitious in what they try to infer using that information. It has remained a niche tool because its public supporters are frequently guilty of tunnel-vision; they key in on the numbers so much that they forget to include the other tools they have at their disposal.

            For example, how many people have further broken down shots prevented in terms of the side of the ice that they are coming from? If you’ve got two defencemen out there and the majority of the shots and/or scoring chances are coming from one side of the ice, that hasn’t really been factored into the current stats models. Shot location data is available and can be mined, so combining that into the numbers is a logical next step.

            Every team in hockey uses these numbers. That much I know from talking to some acquaintances who are coaches in junior or NHL hockey. But none of them rely on them too heavily…they are far more likely to spend their time breaking down video of each player’s performance than to cite his Fenwick number.

            Every second that a player is on the ice is logged by video, and the coaches then spend their time going through this with their players to dissect their performance. This has often been cited as a reason why “finishing your check”, even if the puck is long gone, has become so prevalent. Most players know that Big Brother is watching.

            What we have at our disposal is a pale imitation of this. We generally only follow the puck, and often can’t see the players elsewhere on the ice. A great example of this is when they did the Ovi-Cam or Crosby-Cam. That really crystallised for a lot of people the difference in the compete levels of those two players, helping turn the tide of popular opinion that Ovechkin was more fiery and passionate on the ice.

          • twilighthours says:

            Here’s the kicker, talik: for a guy like Berkshire, who claims that anecdotal evidence, observation are just as important as his numerical analysis, he never actually seems to provide anything but numerical analysis to make his judgements.

            Which is fine – but then don’t treat it like gospel. Unfortunately, he does.

        • Chris says:

          Dave, I have been using some of these statistics since the late 1990’s so I’m not a neophyte to it.

          What I can’t stand is when people use alternate methods at the expense of their visual faculties. You can’t do one and not the other if you are truly trying to be an analyst.

          I’m an experimental scientist. We deal with statistical analysis every day, especially in the field that I work in. We spend months making statistical models, tweaking them and refining them to try to understand what is going on. The reason? While the statistical model often gives you a big-picture view (hockey analogue: team performance correlates very well to Fenwick and Corsi), it frequently breaks down spectacularly at the event level (hockey analogue: individual player value does not always correlate very well to Fenwick or Corsi).

          If you want to analyse hockey, advanced statistics are very valuable. But not if they don’t accompany the type of analysis that Chris Boucher is doing. If you want to assess a player instead of a team, Boucher’s scouting reports are infinitely more valuable than the Fenwick/Corsi type analysis.

          • punkster says:

            Chris, I quite understand your background with the use of stats in your work as you have mentioned it a few times on here. And I certainly do not question your experience with stats in your work.

            What I question is the propensity of some to either ignore or denigrate the results of statistical analysis or the people who compile them, a situation you as a scientist must occasionally see.

            Questioning the methods or results, without shooting the messengers, is understandable and even necessary if a greater understanding or accuracy is to be achieved.

            In relation to the Murray discussion I see few people here on a quest for greater understanding. I see many simply scoffing at results that don’t fit their preconceived notions.

            Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
            ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

          • twilighthours says:


            I am opposed to the Murray signing, and so I agree with EOTP in this regard. But to write it off based purely on shot rates is exactly what Chris said it is: superficial.

            Everyone seems to agree that Murray brings physicality and intangibles. Because they are intangible, EOTP simple disregards them (instead of finding a way to measure them, or at least acknowledge them – as Chris alludes to with Chris boucher).

            And EOTP seems to have used the NHL hit data to be some sort of catch-all for “being physical.” Which is grossly simplifying what it means to use your body when playing hockey.

            Berkshire himself wrote something like “studies have been done that show negative correlation between fenwick and hits.” So that’s it, case closed. Don’t bother body checking because you’re also likely to give up more shots. There are so many things wrong with this but I can’t even begin to get into it.

            And the worst part: it can’t be debated at EOTP either, as that will result in being kicked from the site. I’ve seen it several times, and even recently.

            So it is actually a good thing that some advancements are being made with how we view performance, but we can’t pretend they aren’t without flaws.

          • punkster says:

            Twi…your statement “Don’t bother body checking because you’re also likely to give up more shots.” is not attributable to anyone on that or any other site that I know.

            Two minutes for embellishment!

            And therein lies another issue when discussing stats and their value. Do things get exaggerated and heated on hockey blogs when opposing view points are discussed? Do bears…well, you know the rest.

            In another way, I say “here’s my view” and provide data or statistical evidence to back up my position. You say “here’s my opposite view” and provide no supporting data. What is a third party to believe?

            Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
            ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

          • twilighthours says:

            Dave, you know as well as I do that

            1) anecdotal data is data all the same. It is often (usually) provided in discussions such as these. But it is summarily dismissed

            2) just because data is cited for a conclusion doesn’t mean the data was telling us what we thought it was. Don’t forget: the metrics people thought Gomez was still valuable in 2012, that the Kaberle deal was a decent one. They also hated the Prust signing. It is not a challenge to find players where a statistical approach doesn’t jive with the intangible (and even tangible, but different) results on the ice.

            Remember, I dislike the Murray signing too, and I agree with them on this issue. It’s ultimately the worshipping at the altar of fenwick to the seeming exclusion of all else – and the abrasive, closed-mindedness – that rubs people the wrong way.

          • punkster says:

            Andrew…I’m personally not concerned that Murray will be a hindrance if played in a minimal role as a 7th D or gets additional minutes as a fill in for injured/penalized players. I accept him for what he is, a big slow guy with experience. I feel about it the way I feel about the Briere signing…show us what you can do in Montreal…until then they’re both a “meh” to me. I’m far more concerned with the performance of guys I know better like Eller, Max, Gally, Chucky, Pleks, Price et al.

            (In general I don’t find the stats adherents any more, or less, adamant or abrasive in defense of their conclusions than anyone else.)

            Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
            ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

  43. Timo says:

    Speaking of US government (below) – this is absolutely nuts.


    • johnnylarue says:

      Oh, come on Timo… Did you even watch the thing? That lady explicitly says that it’s all UNDER REVIEW which means they will almost certainly get to the bottom of this and give the American people their money back–probably in the form of food stamps and sundry army surplus goods…

      Jeez, I never pegged you for the kind of guy to get worked up over such trivial matters. Oh, wait… 😉

  44. Mavid says:


    Weed Wacker Gramda Smurf

  45. Epic says:

    RE Front and Strummer: Punk?? ha

    I PREFER THE METAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! /_/

    • HardHabits says:

      Ha. I love it all. Here’s the latest stuff I been listening to:

      Black Uhuru – Showcase
      The Rolling Stones – Black And Blue
      Curtis Mayfield – Superfly (soundtrack)
      Pixies – Surfer Rosa & Come On Pilgrim
      U2 – The Unforgettable Fire & The Joshua Tree
      Genesis – Selling England by the Pound
      Neil Young – Harvest
      L7 – Bricks are Heavy
      Smashing Pumpkins – Gish
      Soundgarden – Badmotorfinger
      Yes – Relayer

      Yeah. That’s right. Eclectic I is.

      • Epic says:

        Here is mine:

        Rush – Moving Pictures, Permanent Waves Hemispheres, and Clockwork Angels
        Led Zeppelin – Led Zepplin 2 and Physical Graffiti
        Black Sabbath – 13, Master of Reality and Mob Rules
        Iron Maiden – Powerslave
        Megadeth – Rust in Peace
        Metallica – Black Album
        Pantera – Cowboys from Hell
        Jethro Tull – Aqualung
        Deep Purple – Perfect Strangers
        Van Halen – Van Halen 2
        Alice in Chains – Facelift
        Aerosmith – Pump
        Judas Preist – Painkiller
        Frank Zappa – Shut up and Play yerr Guitar
        Queen – Day at the Races
        Pearl Jam – 10
        U2 – How to Dismantle an Atomic Bomb

        • johnnylarue says:

          Surprisingly little filler in there, Epic! I can’t handle Zappa, and haven’t listened to most of that stuff since high school, but I generally approve.

          Nice touch listing the Rush album first. Gotta promote the local talent!

        • SlovakHab says:

          Where is Dream Theater, everyone?
          That band is absurdly underrated.

          • Mike D says:

            True story. DT is an amazing band, though not as good since Mangini took over for Portnoy. Mangini is great, don’t get me wrong, but Portnoy wore a lot of hats for that band and Mangini won’t be able to bring as much.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny
            The CH stands for CHaracter…(apparently)

      • Vinny Red says:

        Wow, L7. Now there’s a band I haven’t heard of in a long time

      • Chris says:

        I wouldn’t call that list particularly eclectic, to be honest.

  46. twilighthours says:

    Thanks for the link on ACL reconstruction, Normand. I wish the article provided more detail, though.

    As a dude who has had the reconstruction, I’m always interested (and terrified, and freaked out) to learn more about the advancements in the procedure.

  47. frontenac1 says:

    @strummer. When it comes to music,Punk is good amigo. But not for hockey or dentistry Imo.

    • Strummer says:

      Punk = edgy

      Playing on the edge, especially when you’re talented , is useful in a contact sport

      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  48. JohninTruro says:

    Just got back from watching the Moose preseason game versus the Wildcats in Truro tonight. Fucale played the first half and unfortunately looked terrible allowing 4 goals on 11 shots in a 4-3 loss.
    #28 for Moncton looked great some kid by the name of Caissy, big kid, fast, great hands, great shot. Mackinnon was in the house but was up in the skybox taking it in.

  49. HabFab says:

    Has Ryan Lambert ever had anything nice to say about the Habs?

    “The Flortheast is pretty credible too, though. Boston can’t really hope for much more mileage than they got last year, but that still gets them pretty far. The Senators have improved, the Red Wings have come in, the Canadiens are likely going to finish pretty high despite their best efforts to sign nothing but garbage this summer. The less said about Toronto, Buffalo and the Florida teams, the better obviously, but nonetheless that’s four out of eight teams I’d rate as being at least good, and in some cases potentially great.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Should I know who Ryan Lambert is?

      • HabFab says:

        I don’t know who he is, other then he writes articles for Puck Daddy and seems to be a Hab hater… at least IMO.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          One thing about today’s internet world, is that many people have suddenly become considered qualified in their writings. This can include the major media outlets as well. I much rather trust the few I have come to respect, trust my instincts watching and many here who I believe seem to know their Sh%t.

          CHeers Frank, have a great weekend!

          • twilighthours says:

            Aint that the truth, Burly. Get yourself a blog and a few followers, and you’re an expert all of a sudden, even if you’ve never played or coached the game.

            I’ll stick to Eddie Lopaz. He’s my guru.

          • H.Upmann says:

            It’s like the World Cup. EVERYBODY plus their friends are experts on football/soccer….

        • habstrinifan says:

          @ Twilight below.
          Red Fisher I dont think played or coached the game. I think he could be considered an expert.

          • Chris says:

            Red Fisher reported the games. He rarely tried to break down and analyse the players. Big difference. 🙂

    • donmarco says:

      I actually find some of his stuff to be pretty funny. And loved his grouping of the Leafs with the other 3 teams. So he doesn’t like our off season moves! Meh.

  50. Ian Cobb says:

    The very 1st NHL game this year will be played in Belleville ON.

    Between Winnipeg and the Washington Capitals. It will be played on our large European ice hockey surface.
    We have 4 ice surfaces in this one building. Along with 4 swimming pools and an amaze of other gyms and other recreation rooms.
    For a small town, we have some of the finest state of the art facilities in the country.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • Ron says:

      I am lead to understand that you have financially contributed immensely to this project Ian, any truth to this.

    • Chris says:

      Yeah, but putting all that stuff in one building was not a good move. It is an absolute gong show getting in and out of Bulls games now or finding parking anywhere close to the arena. Belleville already has attendance problems, and the new mess makes it even harder for people from surrounding communities to see it as worth their time to go to games. My brother and I are driving 45 minutes to get to the game, for example.

      I know that the placement of the new facilities in that complex was not Mayor Neil Ellis’ first choice. Keeping the Yardman Arena as the main rink and building other rinks around it was a bad idea…Yardman, while a fun rink, is too small and desperately old by OHL standards.

      They are planning on replacing the rink in 2017, but that will undoubtedly get pushed back due to cost. They had a chance with the new sports centre, but they wasted that opportunity.

  51. frontenac1 says:

    So, was Kadri always a punk or did Carlyle make him that way and can he be de-programmed?

  52. Un Canadien errant says:

    Ouch! Steve Simmons takes a couple of swats at Nazem Kadri. Not that I mind, I don’t like that punk.


  53. frontenac1 says:

    Putin is a Capitalist? WTF! So why doesn’t he like Gays and muscle cars? Doesn’t add up amigos. He’s a punk commie.

  54. frontenac1 says:

    Putin is a punk . Bans gays and now GTO”s? He likes those Lada”s?Frikkin Commie.

  55. JF says:

    I love the moves Bergevin made this summer. He added size and toughness with the Parros and Murray signings, skill and goal-scoring with the Brière signing. Brière is also an elite playoff performer. But the most important thing about these moves is that none of them is long-term; none will handcuff the team going forward or hold back the development of our young players. Bergevin is sticking to his plan of building through drafting and development, and did not allow himself to be tempted by any of the big names on the free-agent market. Meanwhile, the most recent draft saw the Habs target size and toughness more obviously than they have in the past.

    The thing about free agency is that when the big-name players hit the market, they’re already at or near the end of their most productive years, and they’re looking for what will probably be their last big contract, so very few of them are willing to sign for less than about four years. It is the term almost more than the inflated contracts that makes signing free agents dangerous. Nearly all become problematic a couple of years into their contracts, the notable exception being Marian Hossa with the Blackhawks. I’m betting that the Leafs and Devils will find themselves handcuffed in two or three years by the contracts to Clarkson and Clowe, not to mention the Flyers with the Lecavalier contract.

    Bergevin’s other off-season move, of course, and maybe his most important, was luring Stephane Waite away from Chicago. If Carey Price really does have all the tools to become an elite netminder, Waite could well be the guy to get him there. If not, we have Zach Fucale waiting in the wings. I feel very confident that the team is on the right path. We’re not an elite team yet, but I don’t think we’re very far away.

  56. HardHabits says:

    How messed up is our world.

    Just that Russia bans GMO’s and now homosexuality.

    Gay rights are recognized in the USA but the Obama administration passes the Monsanto Protection Act and places former Monsanto execs in government posts.

  57. habstrinifan says:



    It is becoming more important that individual sports federations from participating countries stand up and warn the Russian Sports Authorities that draconian security measures set up for the Olympics may mean that these Federations will not sanction participation in the games.

    This is not a case where countries per se must instigate the ban. Today it should be the athletes themselves, through their sports federations, making their voices heard.

    I think the Olympics will regret the precedents being set here.

  58. habs11s says:



    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  59. Un Canadien errant says:

    Good article on the improvements in ACL reconstruction and the shortened recovery window. This bodes well for Alexei Emelin’s effective return date.


    • Habfan10912 says:

      We heard similar with Markov’s as well. Dies anybody know who performed the surgery on Emelin? I sure hope its Andrews or an equal Physician.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        My question too. If I remember correctly, Andrei’s first ACL was done by a U.S. doctor, and the Montréal docs were a little steamed about that, they thought they were just as qualified, and then they got to do the second, but I may be wrong.

        The James Andrews-Frank Jobe practice has been very successful and they get a lot of press, but the Chargers and other Cali teams use local surgical teams and get good results with them.

        I think Andrei had a couple of complications, needed to get it redone, and apparently a second reconstruction has a lesser chance of fully succeeding. But if we look at Josh Gorges though, he came back with no problems, didn’t report any pain or swelling or anything.

        I hope Andrei can be more mobile this year, I see posters thinking that another year of rehab/training will help him, but I don’t think it was lack of rehab that was his problem, but pain and instability in the joint. And I’ve been an optimist all through his recovery. Even still, I think he can be effective with more limited mobility for another season or two at least.

      • Strummer says:

        It was this doctor


        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  60. Sportfan says:

    ROBERTO LUONGO TALKS TO JAMES DUTHIE TONIGHT! WHO CARES, like seriously this isn’t the USA, or the Lebron James crap. Luongo doesn’t need to have a sit down and explain how he feels at all.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I do. Roberto is a really witty, funny guy, he’s insightful, and the non-trade was the story of the draft. James Duthie does good work. I’ll watch.

      • Stuck_in_To. says:

        I agree with both of you. Media goes way too far to make a story out of nothing but even a stopped clock gets it right two times a day … Duthie is good at his job and Luongo is a better interview than he is a netminder ….

        : )> uh, that is supposed to be a guy giving a raspberry

      • Ron says:

        Not only witty Normand but an honest shooter when it comes to his hockey career. I’ll see if I can take it in. Always liked him.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I want to see how his enquiries with the NHLPA about voiding his contract went. If I’m James Duthie, I ask a few questions about that.

          • Ron says:

            By the sound of the twits by Duthie earlier today that aspect of his interview touched on elements of that subject.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      I’m with UcE. They’ve made a big mess in Vancouver and I’d love to hear Big Lou’s take.
      Not to sure what the US has to do with anything. Care to explain?

    • habstrinifan says:

      I agree with UCE etc.. should be interesting.

  61. Sportfan says:

    Pretty simple player that a lot of Hab fans wanted!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  62. frontenac1 says:

    @jim. Ian names his worms before he puts them on the hook? That’s dedication to Mother Earth! I use to talk to my Gun before I shot ducks. Moments of Zen are good.

  63. Habfan10912 says:

    I’m guessing this new poll will be a tad more interesting, huh?

    • Ron says:

      You can’t go by the results of any of the polls on here Jim. A person can vote as many times as they like. Their system does not keep track from day to day on the individual posters voting. Once you clear your computer history files each day ( or as many times a day you want ) you can vote again after each clearing. I’m not saying people on here do that but who knows.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Thanks for your updates on the interview on TSN690. Did TM ask about Murray’s conditioning?

        • Ron says:

          No, I don’t think Tony wanted to low ball him with that type of question. He might never get another interview from him haha. It was a good meet and greet on the air though and I’m sure Douggie will be the focal point for many media people once he sets foot in Montreal.

          I hope people won’t be looking for the second coming with him though. He will do his job well. I’m really looking forward to see how he takes to the Montreal fan base and hope he buys in big time. He is a one man wreaking ball for sure. Its nice to know he can more than look after himself and teammates with the clubs he has for hands.

  64. JTT says:

    They need one more tough guy “Kassian” not one Habs player would get a dirty hit put on them in 2013-2014.

  65. jackbutt says:

    Welcome to MTL DOUG!!!!!

  66. frontenac1 says:

    $2 a dozen. Call Jim!

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