If no NHL season, should Stanley Cup be given to another league?

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Here’s a good debate to occupy hockey fans while the lockout drags on: If there is no NHL season, should the Stanley Cup be presented to the winners of another hockey league?

Howard Borrow, a Stanley Cup guardian, thinks that wouldn’t be such a bad idea.

“I guess it would be exciting to try to have some kind of a mock tournament or something, where maybe somebody else might win it,” Borrow told The Canadian Press in response to a question Thursday at a Cup event in Montreal.

“People have always dreamed about maybe winning it, even if they don’t play at the NHL level. It would be kind of fun, I guess.”

Maybe the Stanley Cup could replace the Memorial Cup for one year, presented to the Canadian Hockey League junior champions, or maybe to the Canadian Interuniversity Sport champion? Maybe a youth-league championship team?

“The Cup doesn’t really belong to anybody, it almost belongs to everybody,” Borrow told The Canadian Press. “So, technically it could be played for.”

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On Friday, The Canadian Press reported that the executive board of the NHLPA is seeking the power to dissolve the union – a decision that would allow it to file a class-action anti-trust lawsuit against the league. According to sources, the 30-member board has asked union membership for a vote that would give it the authority to file a “disclaimer of interest.” That could lead to the NHLPA disbanding and executive director Don Fehr no longer in charge of bargaining on behalf of the players. The Canadian Press reported that could result in the players filing a lawsuit seeking to have the lockout deemed illegal, something that could see them paid triple their lost salary in damages if successful.

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Meanwhile, Pierre LeBrun caught up with Los Angeles Kings captain Dustin Brown, who is playing in Switzerland during the lockout. Brown told LeBrun that even if the lockout ends soon, the damage has been done in L.A. six months after the Kings hoisted the Stanley Cup for the first time in their history.

“At the end of the day, it’s unfortunate timing for a lockout,” Brown told LeBrun. “I mean, lockouts are always unfortunate but, considering our market in California, it’s really hard to get momentum. And to lose that momentum due to a lockout is frustrating. The positive thing is that we still have those diehard fans that will be really excited about the banner-raising, and we still have that part if there is a season this year. That excitement from that first game would bring attention back to hockey in L.A. because it’s such an important night for our team and organization, but it’s definitely unfortunate to have lost all the momentum that we had gained.”

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(Photo by Darryl Dyck/The Canadian Press)

132 Comments

  1. Ron says:

    James Mirtle tweets that part of the filing includes a section requesting declaration that all existing contracts between NHL players and teams would be void.

    Thats a bold move IMO.

  2. HabFab says:

    @Frontenac – noticed Commodore picked up an assist last night.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Yeah thanks for that Amigo. He was interviewed between periods and what a great attitude he has. Very realistic even when ribbed about all the teams he has played for. I think he is well worth keeping around to help with the rookies on the back end.He is pretty funny in a self depreciating way.

  3. SmartDog says:

    Some nut case opens up on a classroom full of kids, and next to that we have to see Bettman whining for the cameras about how poorly the players are treating the league.

    When hockey comes back – this year or next – I will watch it. Of course I will.

    Because there is no way for me to actually punish Bettman and the hard line owners for being such total frakheads and for totally ignoring the fans whose butts he tries to kiss all season long between smirks and money-motivated-only decisions. Which is too bad. If there was I’d do it.

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    • Dust says:

      So the owners are ignoring the fans, and the players aren’t?
      Its a two way street. Both deserve your vile

      • Bill J says:

        I think the players have tried time and time again to get to playing hockey.

        The owners are the ones blocking the players path.

        There is no “greed” beyond trying to keep someof what they had to begin with from the players end.

        The only greed causing this to prolong, is the owners.

        Vile pointed squarely at the greedy billionaire owners.


        Go Habs Go!

        • SmartDog says:

          I’m with you Bill.

          That many people believe Bettman’s self-righteous BS boggles my mind. The frame of reference isn’t the NHL’s phony first offer, it’s the last deal. And the players have shifted 7% from that, only asking that current contracts be honoured. They didn’t even get that and are settling for less. The league quite suddenly adds some new non-negotiable terms. They repeatedly cry foul and pull everything off the table. It’s puerile. The players have not stooped to such BS.

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  4. Haborama says:

    someone mentioned Brett Richie, so I watched this vid (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vF6J1yvRTvI)………………..

    ………… And I immediately screamed WHO OWNS HIM, IS HE AVAILABLE, AND HOW MUCH WOULD IT TAKE TO TRADE FOR HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Harditya says:

    Off topic, but I just don’t understand why the f*** is purchasing a gun legal in US. Sad day. Our hearts are broken.

  6. Ron says:

    The NHL beat the NHLPA to the punch and filed a Class Action Complaint with the Federal Court in New York. They also filed an Unfair Labor Practice charge with the National Labor Relations Board over the NHLPA talk over the disclaimer of interest. Looks like the NHL is a step or 2 ahead of the NHLPA.

    The Class Action Complaint is to seek a declaration confirming the legality of the lockout.

    • Chuck says:

      Sounds like the NHLPA needs to hire Dave Hester’s lawyer.

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    • HabFab says:

      On infamous Thursday, you could visibly see Buttman get excited when it was brought up of the players using decertification or disclaimer as leverage. He then got the mask back on quickly but IMO the NHL has prepared for a legal battle too.

      • Dust says:

        Of course they have. They saw what happened with the nfl and the nba. They would be foolish to not have a plan to deal with a DOI or decertification

      • Ron says:

        Fully agree there. Paper work had to already been sitting waiting to file. Batterman and firm would have been wringing their hand waiting for the “leak” that a vote would be held by the PA to file their disclaimer. Once it was confirmed they pounched. I would think it was abit of a shock to some players. The PA could still file themselves but I think they misread the hand in front of them. Going to be interesting how Fehr reacts to this move.

  7. Riga Fraction says:

    I knew most of the consequences of decertification, but I hadn’t realized that they could sue for triple their pay for the illegal lockout. OUCH, that would sting, as much or more than all the rest of it combined.

    • Timo says:

      They should also realize that most likely the will not win the case and only players will deep pockets will be able to afford the lawyers. All the suits will be dragged on for years while majority of PA membership will be forced to hack it out in europe or some beer leagues across NA.

      Owners will survive without NHL or any hockey business.

      • Riga Fraction says:

        That’s the sort of thing that would be covered in a class action suit by labour lawyers as opposed to being heard individually case by case. Any labour lawyer looking at a class action suit for let’s see approx 70mill per team x 30 teams = 2.1 Billion x 3 for triple wages = 6.3 BILLION. A lawyer generally gets about 30% or so of the settlement so say we cut that drastically and still get 1 Billion dollars….. ya I can see lawyers lining up around the block to offer to take this one on.

        • HabFab says:

          Let me see here;
          - court cases to be heard in the states
          - a nation so far to the right that a classroom of little kids being murdered won’t affect the majority view point
          - court will rule against American billionaires being sued by Canadian and European “hockey” players. Yeah!!

          Pinch yourself and wake up buddy!

          • HabFab says:

            Courts don’t create laws, politicians do. So on with the dunce cap and into the corner for you…know you have done that enough to be able to get it right.

  8. Haborama says:

    what kind of sick twisted piece of human trash would do such a thing?? these are CHILDREN for God’s sake!!!!!!

    I am at a loss for words

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Some idiot with an armory.

      Time to knock the NRA down a peg or two. This is just horrendous.

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      • Bripro says:

        Apparently he was the teacher’s son.

      • habsfaninboston says:

        This has nothing to do with the NRA.

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Nothing to do with an organisation that demands the right to bear arms? Yeah, their hands are dirty my friend.

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          • Chuck says:

            Sadly, many Americans tonight will go home and hold their guns a little closer instead of their children.

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          • Riga Fraction says:

            Gun sales tripled the day after the Batman shooting (give or take) because they were worried that gun laws might ramp up. Go figure.

          • habsfaninboston says:

            The right to bear arms is constitutionally legal. It’s easy to blame it on guns for these tragedies when we should take a closer look at the degradation of our society.

          • CharlieHodgeFan says:

            The US has a fatally flawed constitution.

        • The Dude says:

          This has everything to do with the NRA and other ignoramus ! Blood is on their hands!

        • ZepFan2 says:

          The 2nd Amendment allows people to purchase semi-automatic weapons. Why on Earth would somebody need a semi-automatic rifle?

          That constitutional right should be amended to reflect the 21st century. The NRA stands by that ridiculous right and use it in every argument. The British are not coming any time soon.

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    • The Dude says:

      On blogs in the States and Canada you’ll see brainwashed folks state the boring”It’s people not guns that kill” ,well now in North America kindergarten children disagree. Your not gonna be able too get rid of people but you can get rid of guns! Let’s take them”and ammo” and melt them down to make memorial statues for the victims so we never forget and frames for solar panels.”something pro health and pro life”

      • habsfaninboston says:

        While you’re at it, take away cars that can kill people since you can’t get rid of drunk drivers.

        • The Dude says:

          Gun are made for killing…. Cars are made for transportation . And your gonna spin it? You need to modernize your views and that can only be done if you become a human being and not a self centered paranoid with a cowboy fetish!

          • HabFab says:

            All gun owners should be shot…the ultimate irony!

            @the dude…not sure if the link I left you the other night was working. It was PK skating at an outdoor rink with kids from some TO synagog in the Holiday Spirit.

  9. Bripro says:

    Let’s support the Second Amendment!… Right??????
    (enter seriously disgusted sarcastic face here!)

    Will they never wake up? When is it too late?

    • Mondou6 says:

      Yeah, I’m with you.

      The Second Amendment actually reads something like “For the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated militia, the right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed”. They always remember the “right to bear arms” part, but not the “well-regulated militia” part.

      I don’t see what is well-regulated about every yahoo owning a handgun or assault rifle.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      The British are coming! Didn’t you hear?

      Talk about an outdated amendment.

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  10. Mavid says:

    Horrible news…18 children 9 adults….sure puts things in prospective

    • Chuck says:

      Sadly, 20 children, and their kindergarden teacher who was the shooters mother. Additionally, 5 other adults at the school and one more at the shooters home.

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  11. christophor says:

    This is a continuation of the discussion of Collberg down below; a nice break from lockout talk.

    Putting the point aside that rookies get little or no ice time (and on a lower line) in the Swedish Elite League, let’s focus on the Allsvenskan – the supposed Swedish AHL – where both Collberg and Forsberg have been playing recently.

    Collberg’s played 15 games and scored 6 goals.

    Forsberg’s played 22 games and scored 9 goals.

    That’s virtually the same scoring pace (approx. 0.4 per game). Granted, Collberg hasn’t been assisting on goals (only 2) while Forsberg has been (10), meaning Collberg is producing a little over 0.5 pts per game while Forsberg is fairly close to a point per game pace.

    I’m still encouraged by the goal output. Hopefully he’ll merit the nickname ‘Goalberg’ for the Habs one day.

  12. Habsrule1 says:

    So glad the no’s are winning the poll.

    Would lessen the value of the Cup in my eyes if a lesser league was awarded it.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Clearly the ECHL should be handing out the Cup this year, Gomez would have a chance to be Conn Smythe winner as well.

      • Habsrule1 says:

        I like where you’re going with that. Forget the Cup, but hand out all the other NHL Trophies to the ECHL and see how many Gomez can win…!

        Go Habs Go!!

        “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Come back player of the year, Top Alaskan in the league award, fastest skater to opposing blue line in the league award, we could go on and on! :)

          • Timo says:

            Not to forget the player in the best shape of his career award.

            Oh, and overall such a nice guy (also known as Dave Stubbs) award.

          • Habsrule1 says:

            You guys are good! So, we use the NHL Trophies, but we change their names in order to ensure Gomez gets them all!
            Brilliant!
            How about we modify the Lady Byng slightly:
            “Player who politely accepts his $8M salary without rudely scoring on the opposition”?

            Go Habs Go!!

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          • HabinBurlington says:

            Timo, overall nice guy award must be shared with AK over in the KHL. ;-)

          • Bripro says:

            Who’s trashing AK? What’s wrong with my man AK?
            He’ll be back. His contract is up. The Habs will re-sign him. Just wait and see…. ;)

  13. shiram says:

    Aaron WardVerified
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    NHLPA Executive Board voted last night,to give players a vote to AUTHORIZE Exec Board to chose to proceed on Disclaimer of Interest #TSN

    Threats are becoming more serious?

  14. Habilis says:

    No lockout complaints from me today.

    My heart goes out to everyone involved with the tragedy in Connecticut. There are no words.

  15. Hobie Hansen says:

    Ok, Sabastian Collberg!

    The guy has played in 72 games for whatever team in in the Swedish Elite League over three seasons and has no goals and two assists?

    I realize he’s a young man playing with adults or whatever the story is but those are some brutal numbers lol!

    Is there a silver lining?

    A friend of mine asked me about him since he’ll be playing in the tournament and was left scratching his head about his numbers, don’t blame him!

  16. Mustang says:

    If the Stanley Cup were to be awarded to a league champion other than the NHL, the question becomes “which league?”. Many leagues would feel like their champs deserve the Cup so who would decide and which criteria would be used to make the decision?

    • Blondie says:

      What would be great is a tournament between the champions of the AHL, KHL, Eliteseiren, and others of similar caliber. There should be enough to get an eight team tournament going for it. Donate the proceeds to charity.

  17. mark-ID says:

    Yes, yes, yes!! The NHL and its players are acting far too entitled. The cup should always be given to the best team in north america……if the league chooses not to play, they should lose right to the cup for that season. Give it to the CHL.

  18. L Elle says:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xg-hVud3xU

    Oh, there’s no sport like
    hockey for the holidays,
    ‘Cause no matter how much you effin’ foam
    When you pine for the blue line
    Of a friendly race
    For the holidays, you can’t beat
    Game sweet Game

    I met a man who lives in Tennessee
    And he was headin’ for Pennsylvania
    To watch a game, Pens vs Preds

    From Montreal, QC fans a travelin’ down
    To Tampa’s sunny shore
    From Atlantic to Pacific, gee
    The traffic is terrific

    Oh there’s no sport like hockey
    For the holidays, ‘
    ‘Cause no matter how much you effin’ foam
    If you want To be happy in a million ways
    For the holidays, you can’t beat
    Game sweet Game

  19. B says:

    The NHL controls the Stanley Cup. I suppose they could award the trophy to a team outside of the NHL if they wanted to, but I don’t think they would ever want to.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  20. Propwash says:

    Horrific school shooting in a Connecticut elementary school

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/14/us/connecticut-school-shooting-color/

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    • Say Ash says:

      wtf is it going to take to get rid of the guns there?

      • arcosenate says:

        Apparently now is not the time to talk about “policy implications” says the White House. I would say now, with 16 elementary students killed, would be an excellent time to discuss “policy implications.”

      • Cal says:

        That argument no longer makes any sense. Americans have chosen to live with the more than 300 million firearms they already have (with more being produced each and every day).

        I was for firearms registry so police have some info when they have to intervene at a household. Apparently, though, registration of firearms is an evil evil thing that must be stamped out. Considering we need to have permits for our bicycles, cars and trucks, I don’t see what the big whoop is all about.

        • arcosenate says:

          We used the argument that you have to register your children, apparently that irony is lost on the powers that be…

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          I don’t understand how an executive or even a factory worker at any of the gun manufacturer companies in the States can even get out of bed in the morning?

          • Cal says:

            Dissociation and denial, I guess.
            Rifles are meant for hunting. Handguns have one purpose and one purpose only. Talk about an abused technology.

        • New says:

          Any cop who relies on an administrative record to determine if firearms are in the house has no business going to the door. You always assume there are weapons there. You require a firearms permit in Canada to even have a hunting rifle. That license requires regular renewal and evaluation. A lot of people think that because the registry is gone the licensing requirement went as well. It did not.

          Recording the serial numbers and locations of rifles or shotguns does not do one thing to stop crime. Doing something about a system that permits mentally ill people to wander the streets might.

          The answer is likely to make everyone register for a possession license. Those who fail could be registered with the police. Now that would help.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Completely heartbreaking. The first thing that came to my mind after sadness was maybe the United States should start cleaning up their own backyard of all the guns and drugs instead of spending trillions of dollars invading other countries.

    • kempie says:

      I just hugged my little boy so close he thought I was nuts. Pretty happy to be in Canada right now. It’s not perfect but it’s better than what happens elsewhere.

      • Propwash says:

        I’ll be hugging my son tighter than usual when I get home.

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    • Kooch7800 says:

      Makes me sick. What the is wrong with the Human race. America has to stop the right to bare arms bullshit and realize it is a problem

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • Cal says:

        Totally understand the frustration.

      • Blondie says:

        Similar occurrence in China too:

        http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57559179/china-school-knife-attack-leaves-23-injured/

        This guy using a knife.

        The crazies will find a way.

        • Been a while since I posted here, but had to chime in. Lots of people make this argument to justify lax gun controls (not saying you’re doing that here, but it’s a common one).

          But the difference between guns and other weapons is illustrated extremely clearly by the outcomes of these two events: in the Connecticut shooting it looks like 30 people may be dead. In the Chinese stabbing, 23 injuries but no deaths so far.

          • Blondie says:

            Nope, I’m not doing that here. I’d just as soon ban all guns outright. Learn to shoot a bow if you want to hunt.

            I’m just pointing out that the nutbars are everywhere and have a tendency to be determined.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Look at Stan Johnathan…just shot a guy near where we live out hunting

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • L Elle says:

        I have to say something here. There are as many guns per capita in Canada as in the US. The problem goes deeper than gun laws unfortunately.

        We had an incident here as well at Dawson college a few years ago where a young girl was killed. Let’s not forget those killed at Ecole Polytechnique. These are just 2 incidents in Montreal. There are a lot more cross country, I’m afraid.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          The US is number 1 in the world with 88 guns per 100 people. Canada was around 30 guns per 100. That was a poll from a few years ago.

          We also have more hunting guns than hand guns or automatic weapons

          Even with this survey being about 5 years out of date I find it hard to believe that we would catch up to 90 guns per 100 people.

          “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • L Elle says:

            There are official and not so official numbers. Most people living in rural areas in Canada have tons of weapons nobody knows about.

            Besides, my point was, there are demented people all over the world including our own country. The US has a disproportionate amount of crime and violence for sure. I just don’t like these anti-US rants as if in Canada we are all a bunch of saints.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @ L elle, couldn’t agree more. We have our share of sickos here too.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I agree there is sick people everywhere cause it is the human race. I wouldn’t say these are anti-US rants they are gun control rants. You would find a lot of Americans who would agree

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • L Elle says:

            Yes, a lot of Americans would agree I’m sure. As a lot of Canadians just love and adore their guns and would never give them up.

            You would have to eradicate all weapons of any kind, forget registration.

            Or, you could go to the source, and try to “fix” society. A very tall order indeed.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Sickening just Sickening. Every Parents worst nightmare.

  21. Phil C says:

    The Stanley Cup has evolved as the Champion’s trophy for professional hockey players. If the season is canceled and the best professional hockey players in North America organize a league that would end in a competition for the Cup, I think the trustees would be within their rights to award the Cup to the League Champion. And that would make the NHL squirm.

  22. wjc says:

    Howard Burrow sure got sucked into that stupid question. “Well yea, I suppose its a good idea, the Stanley cup almost (almost?) belongs to everybody, so I guess technically, yea……..gotta go, bye.

    How many times can Dustin Brown say “lockout” in one paragraph?
    Unfortunate time for a LOCKOUT, LOCKOUTS are always unfortunate, Lose momentum due to a LOCKOUT, hard to get momentum due to LOCKOUT.

    He might as well say”the owners locked us out, what could we do, start bargaining sooner to prevent that possibility, make a deal and play once the impasse was started.”

    No we are the poor victims, underpaid, under appreciated and it is not our fault our fans are losing interest. We are innocent victims….geez!

    wjc

  23. HabFanSince72 says:

    The 2011 Stanley Cup should be given to another league.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  24. New says:

    I don’t think the Cup should be presented to the champions of another league. But if two leagues wanted to challenge for it in a seven game series then go for it. Then the following year the NHL could try and win it back.

  25. Cal says:

    If the NHL and the PA are too obstinate, the CIS should be allowed to play for it. Remember, the Stanley Cup is OURS, not the NHL’s.

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  26. Habsrule1 says:

    2nd (poster), 3rd post….
    And I am confirming 24 Cups answer. No is correct.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

  27. 24 Cups says:

    Some NHLers are still geting paid (forgetting those with signing bonuses such as Suter, Parise and Weber).

    $1.0M – Armstrong, Parrish, Tucker and White.
    $1.3M – Dumont
    $1.5M – Commodore, Souray
    $1.6M – Drury, Prospal
    $2.0M – Yashin!!!!!!!!

    $5.0M – Kessler
    $6.5M – Savard
    $7.2M – Pronger
    (these are the most prominent players who are injured, I’m sure there are more)

  28. 24 Cups says:

    First. And the answer to the question is no.


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