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Ian Cobb got this picture of the 1958-’59 Canadiens from Jean Beliveau.
I love Jean Beliveau. The classiest man on the planet.
What a treasure he has given you Ian.
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Post ending in 000
I was thinking that, but then why no letter on his jersey?!? Doesn’t make sense…
Gotta be Spacek. (Plus, Spacek must be old enough to actually have been in this picture, right? lol)
Just showed this to my 64-year old Habs fan Dad. He loved it. The names were flying out of his mouth in seconds.
Thanks for posting this!
Let’s see, we’ve got Hamrlik on the bottom left, Pouliot next to him, then Desharnais, Spacek, and Gomez wearing the A.
Wisniewski in the middle row on the left, then Weber, Kostitsyn with the receding hairline, and Moen to his right.
Then in the back row we have Gorges, Pyatt, Price, the bald dude is obviously Auld, Cammalleri, the tall guy is Gill, and that must be Gionta who is too short to be seen on the top right.
There, nailed them all. Too bad Markov couldn’t make it to the photoshoot.
1) Ernie Pantusso front & centre…
Prospect Update RE Danny Kristo:
From University of North Dakota Press Release:
“Kristo, who is suffering from frostbite on the toes of his right foot, maintains full use of all of his extremities and is in the early stages of recovery.”
- I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
Ian, thanks for sending this along as it’s a bit of fresh air this week on HI/O. Kudos to Mike for posting it as a thread.
I really wish I had kept my hockey cards. They came in two sets back then. One had the players for Toronto and Montreal, while the other set covered the four American teams. The Saturday games came on the tube at 9pm, part way through the 2nd period.
I used to buy cards for the gum, and give the cards to friends.
That really hard gum whose flavour lasted for like three chews.
Nah! Junior Langlois I believe.
“I only like to watch and takes notes” JM
Good news. Let’s hope he learns something here.
I have the official team photo from 1964-65. It’s in colour and includes the names listed on the back. If you’d like a scan of it I’ll e-mail it along (offer goes to anyone who would like a copy).
Disclaimer: When I say that I’ll e-mail it, I really mean that I’ll watch while one of my kids does it – they know that I would screw up the scan or the attachment – or both.
Found something you don’t see every day on YouTube, a Guy Lafleur Tribute.
Great pic. Brings me back to when the game was The Thing, and the players were true icons.
Can you send me a message with your e-mail? I checked your profile and don’t see it.
This was taken in 1958-59 season.
Phil Goyette, Jean Beliveau
Jacque Plante, Ab McDonald
Marcel Bonin, Bob Turner
Albert Jr. Langlois, Andre Pronovost
Tom Johnson, Jean Guy Talbot
Doug Harvey, Billy Hickey
Ralph Backstrom, Bernie Geoffrion
Don Marshall, Dick Moore
Henri Richard, behind Marshall
Frank Selkie, Hector (toe) Blake
The Rocket, Gallivan and I were eating hot dogs up on the cat walk at the time. Rocket had a sore hand.
Grrrrrrrrrr … I wish YouTube was around then !!!
Marcel Bonin loved that guy …what a character !!
I have been following Emery’s comeback and would love to see PG sign him. He would be great addition.
Steve! is that a Dow or a Blackhorse beer you have there.??
That’s why we need a) BIG, ‘push back’ type forward who will stand up against intimidation and either White to come up and play smart tough role or add similar but bigger player. We cant have everything and I think two additions in that mold are more realistic and probably cheaper than going for ‘superstar sniper’ ( i dont see any) or adding to defense with big shut down guy. The entire team contributes to reasonably strong defence right now.. but on the nights when they need that ‘push back’ high intensity guy it shows up badly.
Of course everything would be put aside if we can get Iginla. I wish Calgary were still sucking and there was more pressure to move him.
Those were the days my friend ! The old Black andWhite RCA just off the kitchen in the living room . Saturday nites were bath nite( whether you thought you needed one or not ! ) in the big round galvinized tub on the kitchen floor…. then…the good old hockey game !!!! Great memories
I’m off-topic but just out of curiosity, What would it take to land Anza Kopitar in Habland?
1. Is it possible?
2. who would you trade to acquire him?
3. Would habs be better off?
I know it’ll be near to impossible in acquiring him but speculations won’t hurt
Ten Penny !!…how’s the winter treatin’you partner
MONTREAL – The Montreal Canadiens are reaching out to their fans to help them make the deal that will turn the club into a true Stanley Cup contender.
“The trade deadline is coming up and anyone who reads Habs Inside/Out – and we do – knows there are numerous options available to strengthen the club,” GM Pierre Gauthier said today. “Sure, we have scouts, the book on each team’s players, and years of experience in the league, but that doesn’t compare to the accumulated wisdom of typical Hab fans. We respect their judgment and, sad to say and to our shame, we’ve never acted on their advice. We want to make amends.”
Gauthier said the team is inviting fans to visit http://www.makebelievemanager.can to download a trade sheet they can fill out.
“It shouldn’t take more than a couple of hours to complete,” Gauthier said of the 42-page document. “Longer if you propose more than one trade.”
He said a working knowledge of capology, team deficiencies, player chemistry, the mental health of other GMs, and astrological signs is critical to putting together a credible trade.
The deadline for returning the form is Feb. 15 to give the Canadiens time to go over the submissions and decide which one merits acting upon.
Should the suggested trade be consummated, the team will award the astute fan two season tickets.
“We just might turn your fantasy into fact,” Gauthier said. “Or your life a living hell if the trade doesn’t pan out. Goes with the territory.”
Gauthier said the Canadiens have added two servers to handle the massive burst of traffic the competition is expected to generate.
– “A little song, a little dance, a little seltzer down your pants.” –
They’re definitely making an honest run of trying to keep Boston out of the draft lottery, with hard work they just might do it.
balding guy in the back is AK46 for sure.
Carolina sucking it up, Ward is the ONLY reason it’s not worse
Leafs…making a run…at the playoffs…some day…maybe. Or maybe not.
Hey Mike – I’m in Thunder Bay too. Email me firstname.lastname@example.org and I’ll attach the scans (front and back) to the response.
I don’t get it, why are you including shawn thornton?
Too bad the CBC didn’t have that schedule today. You wouldn’t have to watch Don Cherry.
Don’t look now…Toronto and NJ are coming alive!!
We had less than a foot of snow yesterday, everything is going well. Here they think it is a big deal, but we know what winter is all about my friend.
On my ranch in N.B. we use to get that and more each day. One year we had 14 feet of snow on the ground.
I guess I had 150 little old hockey cards from 1951/52. My Mother (God bless her) decided, at one point, that I didn’t need all this junk laying around and they all got pitched out. This was when I was in grade 2 at the old, now demolished, Kensington School in NDG in Montreal. (My teacher was Mrs. Cloutier)
The cards Kevin van S. won at the HIO Summit, two years ago, still had some of the same players on them. (I have digital archives of them anyway.)
I don’t think so, Dave. I’d rather hang out with TripleX and Habs_Guru than him. He’s a special breed.
Fred, my cedar posts were 15 feet high around the ranch, some of them were below the snow.
How much snow do you have on your farm in N.Y. Blower get a work out??
An error! me! I am going to send back my diploma, I majored in English! in grade 5.
Thanks, my spell check does not do names.
Is that Metric feet or Imperial measure??
Native Ontarians (not you though my friend) are wimps when it comes to winter, unlike us Maritimers. Two or three feet of snow is the norm here. I remember being a kid and seeing snow up to the bottom of the gutters on nour wood shed, I kid you not! It was the winter of 1970-71 I believe. Right around the time i became a Canadiens fan. Cheers
The teeth only lasted 5 years also.
His game starts with speed, very quick hands and very good at setting up others but I’m a little concerned about his goal-scoring ceiling with his serious drop in Gs from 15 as a rookie last season to 5 all of this season. I’m hoping he goes like Kesler or Crosby in the off-season and just shoots pucks like a maniac.
Thanks for email with the photo, Ian. And thanks to Mr. Boone for posting and helping you identifying the year.
I have a 3 point hitch blower on the 92 horse cab tractor, so I can blow snow in my shirt sleeves. Three hours worth today and as much yesterday. Worst snow here since 1994, which was the year I came here.
From what I’ve read about Kristo and heard about him, I have this idea in my head that he’s a mix of Gionta ad Patrick Kane. Is he at all like this? what’s his offensive package like?
I don’t know…the people up in Barrie-Huronia get walloped with snow pretty regularly. And Ottawa can get some real doozies as well.
But the key thing is to think about how dealing with that snow when surrounded by 3-5 million other people dealing with the snow. The stress of knowing that your being a good winter driver has no bearing on whether you will get in an accident is quite amazing.
Call me crazy, but I would love to have Emery as a backup. He’s fiery and I’ve always sort of rooted for him, even despite all the hate he gets. Not a knock on Auld, he’s done his job. But you can’t argue Emery’s fight to win mentality.
Hell could freeze over.
The only interesting answers are those which destroy the questions. ~Susan Sontag
Me too please!
You were likely thinking of the mark your girl friend used to leave on your neck when you spelled “Hickey”; an undestandable error!
I don’t know, but #19 looks positively Markovian to me.
“…life a living hell…” Funny stuff!
Put a Habs sweater on him and he could be any one of a dozen wingnuts on this site.
Once wrestled a bear.
LAK won’t be giving up offence IMO, Kopitar is their only PPG skater and while their depth chart on D is Top 3 in the whole NHL they lack for offensive punch and need him badly.
Not possible, in any way.
On NHL.com they have the first minute and a half of Boston – Dallas. Boston really pounded the Stars.
Three fights in the first few seconds, the last two ending in TKOs (Dallas players on the losing end). Then Boston scored two goals in the next minute.
Rangers, Thrashers and Canes all lose in regulation.
Against NJ the Rangers pulled the keeper with the score 3-2. WIth 6 s left Brodeur had a complete brain cramp (reminiscent of the Olympics), went behind his net and passed the puck to a Ranger. Rangers hit the post with 1 s left.
I certainly hope so. It’s bad enough watching Seguin play with the Bruins. I would totally have a conniption if they get Couturier or Larsson too.
If at the beginning of the year, somebody would have bet you that the following would be true at this stage of the season, you’d surely have question the person’s sanity, right?:
Habs Duo Combined 29 Goals: Brian Gionta (19) and Benoit Pouliot (10)
Bruins Combined 29 Goals: Milan Lucic (21) and Shawn Thornton (8)
As much of an a$$ as he seems to be, Lucic would be welcome on my Habs team anyday.
Ian – I posted my email 2 comments above. Drop me a line and I’ll attach the pictures (front and back) with the response.
Jersey is coming alive,toronto is just doing us a favour for one night(but will probably blow it in the 3rd). Looking for calgary to do the same tonight by beating atlanta.
Woo go Leafs! Climb to 9th baby!
Great pic, Ian. Opens the memory vault. What stands out is that you can actually read JB’s signature. I’m reading Don Cherry’s latest book — enough with the wisecracks; it was a class assignment; and, believe it or not, he has some good points to make, among them his reverence for Toe Blake — anyways, in it, he notes how illegible are many of today’s players signatures, which drives him up the wall. What’s the point of getting an autograph if you can’t read it — or, more important, nobody else can.
Jacques Demers was on CKAC this morning and said that in his opinion Jacques Martin should be considered for the Coach of The Year Award. But what does he know, right??
Very fair assessment from what I’ve seen from him. The thing that always impressed me the most, I know a few other posters have noticed this as well, is Kristo’s ability to play at top speed. He can make all his passes and shots while skating with full effort, sounds simple, but not everyone can do it.
Blake, Selke, Harvey, Talbot, Goyette, Marshall, Moore, Bonin, Provost, Johnson, Beliveau, Plante, Backstrom, Pronovost (behind Moore?), Hodge, Langlois, Hicke.
Where are the Richard brothers? Geoffrion?
Henri is behind Marshall, Boom Bomm is behind Moore and the Rocket, Gallivan and I are eating hot dogs up on the catwalk.
1st in the Northeast Division just got farther away. Eastern Conference is much better this year than the West. 7 of top 10 are from the East. There is a much wider separation between teams int he East. In the West it’s much tighter. Nevertheless, the Habs are in a battle just to keep a play-of spot.
Yes, but on the positive side, NYR, ATL & Car all lose. Not a bad day.
Who played in the Eastern finals last year? 7 seed vs. 8 seed. With the 6th seed Boston being the last of the other 6 playoff teams to be eliminated. Sunday’s Super Bowl has a #6 seed. Herm Edwards once said, seeds are like seats on a bus, some people sit in the front, other people sit in the back, but they all are on that playoff bus. Same in hockey now.
“Eastern Conference is much better this year than the West.”
Ever think five out of the bottom six are playing a part?
3 teams below Habs lose in regulation tonight. New York Rangers, Atlanta and Carolina. Carolina shutout by the next greatest NHL goalie of all-time Reimer of Burke’s Leafs.
Why would you think he wants to quit or resign from his job?
I think our chances of resigning him are strong. Gauthier will probably try signing him a month before free agency. I think The Wiz is a very solid 3rd defenceman ( I know some will argue he can be a second or even first) so 3.5-4M should be what Habs offer him IMO
What are the Habs chances of having the WIZ resign here do you guys feel it is in the cards!!!!!!!! Or is he just using the Habs as a stepping stone to a big Payday somewhere else????????
I would sign him if price is right but only after looking around to see what’s available.
I second that, if only the Bruins could go on a losing streak. Damn them, damn all Boston teams!!
im glad a majority of the teams we needed to win tonight did to help us out!
hahaha thanks but you know what i mean.
Gionta has 10 goals and 0 assists in his last 24 games, Dustin Boyd on the farm has 14 goals and 0 assists in 19 games….that is pretty crazy……….43 games between them and 24 goals and not one damn apple?
waivers are opposed to apples.
I would say Buffalo does not have a bad shot at the playoffs. How did the schedule makers let them have five games in hand on Atlanta and New York? World juniors?
I really hope he signs here…….
Leafs fans are absolutely hilarious, 3-0 win in newbie goalie James Reimer’s 8th career start and he’s already being elevated to sainthood, “Optimus Reim” is the nickname on Twitter.
didn’t they all say that about Gustavson the monster aswell after his first 10 games!!!!!!
Toe Blake, Franl Selke, Phil goyette, Doug Harvey, Bob Turner, Big Jean, Boom Boom, Don Marshall, Jacque Plante.
Dickie Moore Doug Harvey
Yeah and us “old” guys had to watch on black and white tv, in my case a used RCA Victor 21 inch my Father got for $25.
It is nice to come from an “era”.
No SPF back in the day.
” Not everyone can afford a brilliant stock advisor like storm”. TripleX 01/25/2011.20:16
How come when you look at photos from that era, all the players look like they are 40 or 50 years old? Btw, I can only name 3 or 4
wow toronto and devils do something of use…
obviosuly the stars don’t
oh well 2 outa 3 ain’t bad
GWG = game winning gionta!
I have no problem finishing sixth and seeing Boston in the first round. Tim Thomas might be Vezina reincarnate but not against us. Boston hopes to play anybody else, I assure you.
My gooooood…. that would be amazing.
—Hope Springs Eternal—
Rousseau first came up in 1960-61. The not id’ guy is for sure not Rousseau and also not Ken Mosdell as suggested by a previous poster. Maybe Boone knows or pass it on to Red Fisher.
Houle certainly wore the brush cut. There are many picture of Rousseau out there but I am having trouble finding his brushcut. No big deal anyway, I am not sure this is him. Cheers
Rousseau had a brush cut, I’d remember him as he was one of my two least favorite Habs of all time along with Réjean Houle both of whom wore #15 (Houle also wore #14).
I’m too lazy to check but I think we’ve only lost a season series to Philly so far?
Yes, but MTL has to take both remaining games against ATL and TBL to split our series with them and we’re behind the ball 2-1 in our series with TOR.
There is also a player directly behind Plante, on purpose if Harvey’s grin means anything.
Players not on your list but on the roster that year beside the Rocket are Charlie Hodge, Ab MacDonald and Ian Cushenan.
There are three with faces hidden and Henri does seem an obvious choice.
I had thought it might be a very young Bobby Rousseau; it would have been his first appearance in the uniform, however I am not altogether sure about that one either.
That is impressive
“Start the season with a clean equipment bag and a freah bucket of febreze!”-CharlieHodgeFan
Front row left to right: Toe Blake, Frank Selke Snr (GM). Second row left to right: #20 Phil Goyette, #1 Jacques Plante, #18 Marcel Bonin, #19 Albert “Junior” Langlois, #10 A Tom Johnson. Third row left to right: #2 Doug Harvey, #6 Ralph Backstrom, #22 Don Marshall, #12 Dickie Moore, (behind Moore part of the head looks like #5 Bernie “Boum Boum Geoffrion, last row: #17 Jean Guy Talbot, ? don’t recognize him, #23 André Pronovost, #11 Bob Turner, #8 Bill Hicke, (next to Hickey behind Marshall I would guess #16 Henri Richard because of the height and #4 Jean Béliveau. Where’s the Rocket #9?
If anyone can tell me who my question mark is I would appreciate it.
Optimus Reihm is funny and clever.
You know, they haven’t lost since you shaved.
Devils versus Mighty Ducks. Every game was won on home ice. It was also the 1st time it ever happened apparently and I haven’t remembered it happening since.
Even with that anomaly, home ice advantage makes a difference. Since the new all conference play-off format every team that has won the Cup was in the top five over-all. The only exceptions are the 8th over-all Pens a few years back (and the Devils in ’95 who were 9th, but that was the shortened lock-out season). Still. Every team was top 10.
Habs need to finish top 10, hopefully top 5, to have the best shot.
not really true…it’s always nice to park that bus in front of your own house…..home ice definitely helps…and even more in football but the Bell is a powerful influence…probably the most powerful in the NHL.
The Hawks probably have the second best barn….AND they were a top seed……they did alright….and they played the nubmer 1 seed (the Hawks were a 2 seed). In our conference there was a 7 and an 8 but everyone knew Philly was an underachiever all season and should have been a top team all along….but nobody saw our miracles coming….I think I would prefer being a top seed…and pretty sure I am not alone. I am a big advocate of making the dance and going from there….because anything really can happen but more help is needed and your odds are ridiculous…..rather be praying than not playing but I’d rather be in a top seed anyday.
For a change Flames did something useful and actually won a game that matter. Btw, what a success story NHL club in atlanta is… probably like 1000 people at the game.
Really enjoying this year’s addition of the team. Big improvements this year by Pacs, Poulliot, Weber, and AK. Much better breakouts with ‘pass on stick’ short passes, and much better line changes. We are not giving up territory and position as much as last year. The Wiz is not exactly solid but brings all he can to the game, and that is a fair bit. Easily replacable players are Eller, Moen, and Pyatt. On the other thread, some good comments. Based on the facts AK is one of our top 3 forwards. Playing responsibly, just doesn’t have a complete game; but nobody on the team, really does.
PK is a great player. Gill, Spacek, and Hammer can be highly effective but are prone to not being able to bring their game every night (Gill was either dead tired or is hurt based on last night’s performance).
I like Desharnais and Halpern. The Gomer is a good player (aside from contract) and I like the idea of putting Pouliot (who is still a bit of rag doll) with him and AK, rather than Eller. Sleeper player I’d give up a couple of high drafts for, or maybe even these young ones in the KHL, David Booth.
OT: Anyone reading the comments on tsn.ca/nhl? Those guys are losing their $$$$ over Reimer’s shut-out. It’s actually awesome to read. Were you aware that the only problem with the Leafs has been crappy goaltending, and that with a superstar like James Reimer the Leafs are now poised to make the playoffs?? I know, it was news to me too.
There is nothing better than watching Leafs’ fans get their hopes up. Or as F. Scott Fitzgerald once wrote: “There is no confusion like the confusion of a simple mind.”
Seriously though, if the Leafs could hit 9th or 10th place, that would be awesome.
Full Breezer 4 Life
It’s not like Reimer is the greatest goalie in NHL history. No sir, he’s no Mike Palmateer.
Granted they’ve had horrible attendance all year, they are in the middle of a big winter storm (by their standards lol), so I’m sure that contributed.
Last night at the Dallas vs Vancouver game they said there was about 500 people at the game, but there was 16,000 tickets sold,
“The owners of the Atlanta Thrashers claimed Friday to have lost more than $130 million since 2005 and at least another $50 million on the plummeting value of the NHL franchise because of a bitter dispute that ruined their plans to sell the team.”
AP- Friday, Jan. 21, 2011
The NHL, very intelligent business owners.
LOL I saw his shutout tonight, and I turned to my friend: “Wow! Yet another person who will eventually crush Leafs fans’ hopes to the ground! Wonder what the headlines in TO will read tomorrow!?”
LAFFS moonies will keep it up as long as Burke keeps doling out the Kool-Aid.
I remember when they brought in the monster, he was supposed to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Turned out to be a monster bust.
Plan the Parade!
Floyd retired the previous season. You are most likely thinking of Bob Turner.
I used to deliver papers to Floyd Curry’s sister. She lived in a farmhouse near Thornhill Ontario. It was the last stop on my route and from there it was about one-half mile to my home. On cold winter days she would invite me to warm up by her Quebec Heater while she told me stories about her brother. I was about 10 at the time and had been a Habs fan since I was 6. I loved those stories about her brother and the Rocket.
I was able to make out all of them with the exception of the good looking guy between Harvey and Backstrom. I looked him up in Claude Mouton’s wonderful book A Hockey Dynasty, however I don’t see him in the 1958/59 team photo. Is it Ian Cushenan?
Yet there are people, intelligent people, who will tell you that Gary Bettman may be a jerk, may hold Canadians in contempt, but you have to hand it to him, he’s a great businessman.
hahaha ya i noticed.. what a joke
second time they are failing miserably over there
Given the demographics, that roster is hugely marketable. I don’t get it.
Quick question: WHY IS ANDREW RAYCROFT STILL AN NHLer?
Thanks for sharing this with us Ian.
♪Your cares and troubles are gone. There’ll be no more from now on. From now on happy days are here again, the skies above are so clear again. So let’s sing a song of cheer again. Happy times, happy nights, happy days are here again♪
… I couldn’t name them all, but I believe the following are there:
Jean Beliveau, Dickie Moore, Jean-Guy Talbot, Frank Selke Sr., Jacques Plante, Toe Blake, Phil Goyette, Doug Harvey, Don Marshall, Claude Provost, Andre Pronovost, Billy Hicke
“Whenever you have the puck, and don’t know what to do with it, put it in the net.” – Toe Blake
I can name them all!
Les Canadiens de Montreal!
I think I see Floyd Curry there.
Is Gomez also fair game for criticism?
Dear Chris: what a jewel of insight and wisdom your post is. I doff my cap in humble respect. You explain to me my own feelings about Scott Gomez & H-I/O.
That is, I see his limitations, but am perpetually mortified by the repetitious inanity of the sportwriters and posters who make snide belittlements of him, not from thought but from self-aggrandising reflex. Adjust perceptions of Gomez to his actual capabilities, and his attributes become clear &–justly held within their proper limits–praiseworthy.
(Naturally, those who consider his salary an operative dimension are dismissed as being beyond the reach of fact or reason.)
Absolutely, as long as it is fair.
I’ve been one of his most vocal critics since Day One of his Montreal career, largely based on the fact that he’s always been one of my least favourite players in the league and I was worried he wouldn’t be able to score 60 points, let alone the 80 points that many here were predicting.
But he’s no longer the #1 centre on this team…that role firmly belogs to Tomas Plekanec. And as a #2 centre, Gomez isn’t too bad. The combined cap hit of Plekanec and Gomez is higher than I would like, but it’s not my money and the emergence of Pacioretty and improvement of Pouliot has mitigated some of my concerns about straining against the cap.
My point was not that all criticism was unfair. Merely that we should be a little more objective about it.
Expecting Kostitsyn to turn into a 40 goal scorer when he has never scored at that level professionally is unrealistic. Expecting Scott Gomez to be the same player today that he was in the post-lockout season when scoring went nuts for small, shifty players was unrealistic.
Expecting Moen to provide a physical presence IS realistic, and I have certainly criticised his play this season. Expecting Cammalleri to score 30-40 goals is realistic because he has shown throughout his junior, AHL and NHL careers that he is a goal-scorer. To see him struggling this year makes him fair game for criticism. It’s when people look at a player and think “He SHOULD do better than he has done because all of that skill!” that we are letting subjectivity colour our evaluation of the player.
For cripes sake Ian, when you were this old, hot dogs hadn’t been invented yet! ( Smoked meat , maybe)
And who is behind Plante?
This is beginning to sound like an Abbott and Costello routine.
Interesting thought but notice the players are wearing two different sweaters. Practice perhaps? I’m sure nothing was thrown out until well used.
the problem with this way of thinking being that it’s almost impossible for a player to deserve criticism.
“oh, you just expect too much”
So Gionta has met people’s expectations of him when he was signed, whereas Gomez has unfortunately not done so.
I’m not in any way implying that Gomez is hurting the team on the ice. He’s a decent #2 centre, both offensively and defensively. My point was that when people let their expectations distort their impression of a player, that’s when the bashing begins. I always felt that expectations of 65-75 points were overly ambitions for Gomez at this point in his career and that people were setting him up to fail.
A more reasonable expectation would have been 50-65 points, with even that being downgraded by the fact that he has lost his #1 centre role to Plekanec. 42 points is a decent total, and I suspect it will be closer to 50 by the time the season ends. It doesn’t put him at the same level as the #2 centres of this year’s acknowledged Stanley Cup contenders’ #2 centres (Kesler in Vancouver, Zetterberg in Detroit, any of Philadelphia’s centres, Malkin in Pittsburgh), but he’s right there in the mix with the rest of the teams in the league.
Gomez isn’t the first to suffer this fate. Vladimir Malakhov, Patrice Brisebois, Brian Savage, Chris Higgins, Richard Zednik, Alexander Perezhogin and more recently Guillaume Latendresse, Sergei Kostitsyn and even Andrei Kostitsyn have all been unfairly maligned because of what people expected they COULD bring to the team as opposed to being happy with what they DID bring to the team. Professional sports is one of the most notable areas of life where you are rarely judged on your actions, but on what people think your actions should have been, usually based on some metric that is known only to that particular critic.
Never have I read something that so beautifully sums up how I feel
The arm numbers first appeared in ’58-’59, but the wear on the crest on Plante’s sweater means that it’s not new, ie from ’58-59. the absence of Rocket could be explained by his injuries that season; the photograph could simply have been taken at a practice while Rocket was out. It could also be from ’60-’61, after Rocket had retired; a “C” on Harvey’s sweater would confirm the year.
I’d put my money on it not being from ’58-’59. They started the ’60-61 year with red sweaters in which the logo was entirely contained within the blue chest stripe, so I’m guessing that it’s not from that year. The following season Beliveau was Captain and harvey was gone so it couldn’t be later than the ’60-’61 season.
My guess is sometime during the ’59-’60 season.
Well thanks for the “old” shot. Guess it’s true. This is likely the 1960 version of the Habs and , aside from the hidden people, I am only missing a couple in terms of recognition. I am too old to type all the names! The ones I don’t know are three in the back row, not counting Talbot and Tremblay. I wonder where Claude Provost is? There are one or two missing from here I guess.
I would guess that the mostly hidden guy behind Dickie Moore and beside Jean Beliveau is Geoffrion.
When I first saw this photo yesterday, I said to Ian I thought it was 58 or 59, but, no “Rocket”, who more than likely would have been captured by the photog.. I wonder if the guy behind Donnie Marshall is Henri ?
WOW. Great pic!!
Blake, Plante, Harvey and Beliveau.
yeah i could only make out beliveau
It would have made a better headline. How many can you name without using the internet. My guess is only a handfull could as you would have to be old to guess who they are :).
my sister in laws aunt is his assistant and she got him to sign my beliveau jersey, thats his jon handcock
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