Hockey’s Future likes Beaulieu


The authoritative website surveys the Canadiens’ draft and rates top pick Nathan Beaulieu as a solid prospect.

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  1. JohnBellyful says:

    To LL (in reply to below): touCHé

  2. JohnBellyful says:

    How come there haven’t been any cordon bleu-blanc-et-rouge recipes tonight? They were too sophisticated for my palate but I enjoyed reading about the painstaking care that goes into preparing a dish that doesn’t start with the use of a can opener.
    Someday I will share with you a family recipe passed down through the generations that is more than ordinary: Haute Dog. (At some point Rover reaches an age where he’s just not cutting it anymore as a pet.)

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Was saving the recipe for Bastille Day, but you are welcome to it ahead of time.

      1 bottle of white wine, I’ll suggest something from the Loire
      1 bottle of red wine, a cab franc from the Loire is lovely in the summer
      1 tray of blueberry tarts from Patisserie Belge…

      or if you need it in one glass: a kir royale – champagne (blanc de blanc) over a splash of cassis (blue), then drop in a couple of raspberries… bring on the dancing horses.

      or… a bowl of strawberries, blueberries and whipped cream – the trick: whip a little pernod into the cream and grind some pepper over the whole thing. Really. bleu, blanc, rouge, bien sur.

      bon appetite amigo-san

      (please don’t post if Patisserie Belge is gone — I don’t want to know. In my spare mind Montreal is always perfect in the early summer. The cafes, the girls, the Stanley Cup parade… oh crap…)

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Thanks, LA, but you’re casting pearls before swine. Cab franc from the Loire, blueberry tarts from Patisserie Beige, kir royale, splash of cassis — there’s no way I’m gonna find these ingredients at Mac’s. Don’t you have somethin’ simpler, using root beer, barbecue chips, sour gummy bears and white bread? Cuz that’s what I’ve got on my shopping list right now.

    • LL says:

      Haute Dog with ketCHup….mmmmmmmm

  3. JohnBellyful says:

    This is in response to something posted a few hours ago and several Older Comments back that I thought deserved a reply but wasn’t able to because of the limitations of the system:

    Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight!

    (Some things are just too important to let slide by and not speak up. I’m glad I got that off my chest.)

    • punkster says:

      Just when things start to calm down around here and what do you do…? Man, you just don’t know when to quit.

      For Pete’s sake, JB. Post something useful, like your dream lineup or trade or idea about what to do with the Gomez contract. Use your imagination for a change.

      Freakin’ rookie.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

      • JohnBellyful says:

        That …that …. that hurt. You’re MEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




        I’m going to the basement … well, the other side.

        • punkster says:

          Wait, wait…I was too hasty. I apologize. No excuses. Very insensitive of me. Please, don’t go. No more nastiness from me, I promise.

          Now please, I’d like to hear more about this Haute Dog recipe. See, I got this Lhasa who has a terrible attitude. Thinks he runs the joint. He’s a bit scrawny but I was thinking, maybe with a few veggies and maybe a bechamel sauce…?

          ***Subbang Baby!!!***

          • JohnBellyful says:

            The difference maker is the stuffing. (Don’t buy the commercial brand, Pooch Stuffing. Waaay too much monosodium glutamate.)

            P.S. You’re forgiven. But I’m not takin’ your name off the list.

  4. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …Buggzy had an enlightening quote below from Claude Julien on Benoit Pouliot, per “…I think in this surrounding here, knowing he’s got good support and our team has everybody’s back, I think that it’s even going to be even a better situation for him…”
    …OUR TEAM …has EVERYBODY’s back !
    …a lot of Turnips here talk about les canadiens have always been about ‘class’ …speed, skill and class …and, a francophone Je ne sais quoi
    …yes, absolutely, those qualities forged My Fandom of the Montreal Canadiens and how I evaluate all hockey
    …yet many don’t seem to remember those that won the 24 Cups were also blessed with a Curry, Reardon, Bouchard, Ferguson, Tremblay, Claude Lemieux, Robinson or Chris Nilan
    …without PG acquiring similar ?, …FORGETTABOUTITT !!!

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • ProHabs says:

      Exactly. Of course Pouliot will play bigger and tougher, he has Chara, Thornton, Lucic and about 10 other big guys that will fight. In MOntreal he was one of the bigger guys and had maybe 2 people (Moen and White) to back him up.

      Everyone seems to realize how important this is except The Goat. I want to see a 4th line of Moen, White and a big strong player (Kyle Beach or Brad Winchester) and 1 more big phyical defenceman.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Yes. And few one remember that Gretzky had Semenko and McSorley as guard dogs.

      Dryden talks about how Scotty Bowman would “tweak” the line-up depending what town they were going into, i.e. Boston or Philly.

      Of course JM is a better coach than Scotty. He is, isn’t he? He’s won something… right?

      Your post is right on.

      • Mark C says:

        Guy Boucher must be a better coach than Scotty Bowman beceuase he didn’t tweak his line-up or have any guard dogs around to protect St. Louis and Stamkos.

  5. twilighthours says:

    Un Canadien errant:

    I agree: the officials let the Sedins down by allowing all the foolishness without penalizing Boston. Further, the Sedins’ teammates also let them down by not coming to their aid.

    But if you are going to allow yourself to get rag-dolled for 4 straight games – culminating with getting punched in the head 6 times in a row – without responding in any sort of manner, then you’re soft and you don’t deserve the goal, the win, the cup.

    That’s where I stand.

    Sorry to make keep posting about other teams and players.

    • G-Man says:

      Sorry, the refs were instructed to allow the Gooins to do whatever the f!ck they wanted AFTER the whistle. Their “winning” of the Cup was a complete fix. The Gooins one of the least penalized teams on 2010/11? Give me a f!cking break.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      twilighthours, we’ve both calmly and rationally discussed our opinions with each other, considering the other’s position and composing thoughtful, reasoned rebuttals, without changing each other’s mind.

      I fear we must now resort to name calling and anger.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

  6. JayBee says:

    A couple guys I’m surprised have not been signed yet…

    Ray Emery
    Bryan McCabe
    Vaclav Prospal
    Mike Grier
    Brendan Morisson
    John Madden
    Kyle Wellwood
    Shane O’Brien
    Ty Conklin

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Who could help us out of your list?

      As for Emery, I have mixed feelings. He played very well for Ducks, but if they don’t sign him it means Hiller is 100%, which is great. That said, Emery seems to have straightened out and I hope he gets signed somewhere (just not in our division).

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’d take Shane O’Brien right now.

      I think Brendan Morrison is on his last legs. He couldn’t get anything better last year than a tryout with the Canucks at training camp, was cut, hooked up with a shallow Calgary team and ended up in a perfect situation. He did well centreing Jarome Iginla and Alex Tanguay, as he used to with Markus Naslund and Todd Bertuzzi, but that’s the story of his career, he does well when he has two very talented wingers. The question is, which NHL centre doesn’t do well in those circumstances.

      I wouldn’t touch Ray Emery, he has the Bo Jackson injury, and he tends to cause waves.

      Kyle Wellwood has made his bed, even when he does well people don’t give him the credit because of his reputation. While he may be more talented than most bottom 6 forwards in the league, no one wants to have him on their team, they prefer to pay one of their own guys who deserves it.

      An horourable warrior like Mike Grier will find a spot on a roster somewhere, as we get close to camp or injuries strike.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

  7. topher5468 says:

    can it be

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  8. Bugs says:

    Just found this, some New England site or other:

    – The coach has high hopes that a change of scenery will be good for Benoit Pouliot, the former Habs winger who signed a one-year deal with Boston on July 1.

    “I think he’s going to be a really good acquisition,” Julien said. “I think his skill level is extremely high. I know that a lot of people seem to think that he underachieved. At the same time, we feel that we probably will be able to give him a better opportunity here with the space that’s open for him. From what I saw, when he played for Montreal, there were times where he was really physical. We saw him get in a fight with [David] Krejci but also involved in the corners and then being physically engaged I guess.”

    Julien compared the situation to the acquisition of Nathan Horton last summer from Florida.

    “We’ve seen Nathan Horton come in here and everybody knew about his skill level but they kind of questioned whether he can get consistent and he showed that he can,” the coach said. “So we feel the same way about [Benoit] Pouliot. That he’s going to come in and be that same kind of consistent player and kind of grow from there. He’s a young player, I think twenty-four, so a lot of potential there.

    “I think in this surrounding here, knowing he’s got good support and our team has everybody’s back, I think that it’s even going to be even a better situation for him but at the same time, we expect him to come in and demonstrate his skills and use his skills that everybody seems to think he has so I’m really optimistic about him.” –

    I love the last sentence “the skills that everybody seems to think he has”, brilliant! You see what he’s doing there? Givin himself a way out if the plan goes to pot. “hey, everybody THOUGHT they thought he had skills, but not ME, I was trynna WARN’em against thinkin thinkin that!”

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • hab_skill says:

      Comparing Pouliot to Horton makes no sense. At all.

      Foo Fighters ad on the side? Nice! Thanks HIO. Seeing them at the Bell Centre in August. Great Band… Everybody should check them out.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Nathan Horton had the same rep as Mr. Pouliot before joining the Bruins: a very talented player with size who isn’t committed and doesn’t work hard consistently. Mr. Horton was a lot closer to reaching his potential than Mr. Pouliot is right now though.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      • Mark C says:

        Yeah, I didn’t get that, too. I know stats aren’t everything, but Horton’s production went down last year. 65-20-37-57 to 80-26-27-53, so he improved his consistency, yet had less points in 15 more games? Odd.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      When Pouliot was told the team wasn’t going to make him an offer, do ya think he was CHrestfallen … I mean, more than usual?

      • punkster says:

        Well he didn’t have a CHoice now, did he? He could have had to wait for CHristmas to be traded all the while enduring JM’s game of musical CHairs. Hardly the CHallenge he needs. Face it, the kid’s got CHutzpah, he just needs to CHannel it properly.

        ***Subbang Baby!!!***

        • JohnBellyful says:

          I think you’re being CHurlish. Martin’s no CHump, he’s in touCH with his players and is CHockful of ideas. Pouliot, the CHronic front/back/sideways slider, is doomed to underperform. His talent is nothing more than a CHimera.

          (Do you think we can keep this going over several web pages? Nah, posters would soon weary of the same to-and-fro.)

          • punkster says:

            Hey, he’s no CHump. Those CHowderheads have decided to take a CHance on him. Just hope for his sake he doesn’t CHoke on his CHronic tendency to coast.

            The times they are a-CHangin’, baby!

            ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …I’m 100 % WITH YA on Poulio Buggzy

      Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • G-Man says:

      With a little luck, Poupou gets knocked out… after falling on his face by himself.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      How about a change of scenery for JM :-) I’m thinking the NFL as a defensive coach.

  9. Neutral says:

    I’m not sold on Eller yet. when he gets regular ice time for 82 games than we’ll see if he’s everything everyone is making him out to be.

    • geo_habsgo says:

      I see where you’re coming from since we have yet to really be exposed to the true breadth of Eller’s talent. But with that being said, I think what we were seeing from him at the end of last season was an encouraging sign of his development. He might not be the most physical forward but think back to how he consistently used his body to be almost impossible to move off the puck. His tenacity while handling the puck is an asset since he will be able to use that skill to attract opposing players to him while giving his linemates space to set up for a play. Eller’s play that we have been exposed to thus far seems to suggest that he will be a great set-up player who is strong on the puck, however, whether or not he can use his talents on the top units is still very much in question but I have faith!

      • G-Man says:

        When he popped his shoulder back in to keep playing against the Gooins, he showed me he is a keeper.

        • DearyLeary says:

          Agreed. That was a big plus for me.

          Eller plays with speed and skill, but he’s also very adept at using his body to protect the puck, and to force turnovers in all three zones.

          Where he needs work is his decision making. As a young player he’s apt to force a play and turns the puck over. Maturity, and a full season in the NHL last season, will help develop those instincts. He definitely played better in the latter half of the season, and I expect him to play even better this season.

          I’m hoping to see him play a third line role with Kostitsyn, as they showed some real good flashes last season. It could be the third line punch we’ve lacked in years of late, and it’ll force teams on their heels more often, as we’ve had extremely passive 3rd/4th lines.

      • Neutral says:

        He could be exactly what we’ve been waiting for, ice time and games played will give us a better look. I hope everything turns out positive or Halak was a gift to st. louis Blues…

      • LA Loyalist says:

        G*d let’s hope so. I hope we have enough strong fwds this year that Eller doesn’t feel too much pressure.

    • MTLForever says:

      For the ice time that he got and from switching centre to wing to centre again, and first year – I’d say he did pretty well. Not to mention playing with a dislocated shoulder or whatever at the end of our playoffs was good too.

      He has the hands, and is decently strong on the puck.

      Unfortunately due to the injury/surgery, the recovery time sets back his development that he wouldve had this summer. Be patient with him. Still young.

  10. topher5468 says:

    somebody please fuckin help me

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  11. Finally completed it.

    The top 10 goaltenders of the 2010-2011 season.

    I humbly request you all to check it out. Even if for a few seconds. If there’s anything you guys don’t like, anything, just let me know, I make these videos for you guys, your opinions are very well respected.

    Thanks a ton. :) Enjoy your day.

  12. topher5468 says:

    why why why

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  13. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …before I go, …on the John Lu controversy
    …John seems to be from My current neck-of-da-woods (BC)
    …always seemed a harmless smiley-mensch, that Your back-of-mind felt had 0 hockey-creds, beyond being a happy-as-a-puppy fan able to schmooze with his heroes
    …nuttin’ wrong wit dat
    …but, the silly unnecessary statement he made on Beaulieu and His inability to speak French despite His genes …well, THAT shows that TSN does not understand how important it is for the people they assign to cover the Montreal Canadiens must be from Montreal/Quebec’s milieu
    …this would minimize such unintentional faux-pas
    …what Taranna (TSN/CBC) just can’t get their congealed-minds around is that there is a massive difference between an Anglo born and raised in Quebec/Montreal and outside the Province
    …the Montreal Canadiens should have a born-and-raised Montrealer/Quebecer as a commentator on TSN or CBC (hellooooo CBC !!! …fuggin PJ is a Booins fan ! fer fs !)
    …with all the media talent Montreal has, are ya tellin’ Me that’s not doable ?
    …come on !

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • Bugs says:

      No, no, no. Lu stated that a portion of French Quebecers were upset that Beaulieu doesn’t speak French with a name like his.
      I am upset at Lu for completely fabricating that statement, that indeed, NO French Quebecers were upset that with a name like Beaulieu, the kid doesn’t speak French.
      I didn’t say that. I didn’t hear ANYONE say that. Never read it anywhere. Did you?
      My question was: hey, Mr.Ultra-anglo-never-set-foot-here-don’t-understand-a-lick-of-French-Lu, where EXACTLY do you get your information? You know, that some “Quebecers were upset”? Who? Who was he talking to?
      Especially considering none of us here were aware of that…and we LIVE here?
      It’s insidious bullspit. No one said that about Beaulieu. No. Body. Just a regularly-scheduled-and-dutifully-sponsored JAB; that’s all it was.
      So the guy’s a scumbag PUPPET far as I’m concerned. Who has NOTHING to teach us about our club, except how it “looks like” from the Couver-Peg-Toranna angle.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • G-Man says:

        With luck, Luu goes and covers the Jets. I have always found his “reports” standard tripe.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …Buggzy, I understand what John Lu said …I just don’t agree on Your character description of him …he, Lu, is an outsider that personally, himself, was surprised Beaulieu is unilingual English
        …his use of ‘some Quebecers’ come from I am sure his limited media world colleagues and personal circle
        …but, I think all of Us, including Yourself, are surprised given his genes that He, Beaulieu, is unilingual English
        …he unfortunately made a story out of it
        …and hashed the premise, because he is an ‘outsider’
        …notwithstandin’, …ONLY sayin’ any media-type covering the Montreal Canadiens for a national network should be sourced from Montreal/Quebec …otherwise, outside the province, viewers/readers will have no context and understanding of these nuances, and be susceptible to misunderstanding the Quebec fan-base

        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

        • Bugs says:

          Fine, his “limited media world colleagues” told him that; doesn’t make it anymore true, nor him less of a puppet who has nothing to teach us.
          But the EFFECT a remark like that causes shouldn’t be swept under the rug as if nothing happened, like it’s “ok” to fabricate bullspit to give your story some filler.
          So A) it’s a lie; no one said that. Bad journalism.
          And B) he is promoting a subtle implication that French Canadians fans aren’t as level-headed as English Canadians fans, since the latter doesn’t waste valuable hockey acumen on whether or not a player speaks French, thereby proving them to be “better” hockey fans…and the proof? A) the lie.
          I’m not disputing that he reads what he’s told to read, maybe so, but he still cashes the checks, so he can get shot at too.
          Either way, if it was HIS story, he’s a scumbag, and it was his lords and masters’ story, then he’s a scumbag puppet. Either one suits me after that bullspit comment on French Quebecers bein upset Beaulieu didn’t speak French.
          Total bullspit.
          But hey, it’s ok, don’t worry about it, it means nothing, don’t get worked up, he didn’t mean it, he meant something other than the words that came out of his mouth, what’s the big deal…that’s how it goes.
          Mais croyez-moi, de mon point de vue, un point de vue qui, je regrette, vous échappe pour la plupart sans que faute vous y soit attribuée, ça en dit long sur l’ignorance qui règne toujours dans notre pays. Et l’ignorance, mes chers amis, ça m’fait suer. Et kier.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • HabFab says:

            Hope you don’t slip and fall off that soapbox!

          • Bugs says:

            I always toss a handful of sand across it afore steppin on.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …’ignorance’ is most often an 8-laned superhighway Buggzy …goin’ in 2 directions, unfortunately

            Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

          • Bugs says:

            Yeah, well, THIS time, it was goin one direction. And that’s what I’m talkin about.
            The next time a French hockey reporter makes a completely unverified yet subtly disparaging remark about a pocket of English folks being upset about a player with an English last name not speaking English, please point it out to me on this highway of yours and I’ll drive him off the road too.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • Habitant in Surrey says:


          Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

      • HabFab says:

        He now resides in Mont St. Hilaire, don’t suppose he has taken up speaking French also??

        • Bugs says:

          So, it’s the Mont St. Hilaire folks doing his research, what?
          His neighbor told him, (through interpreter, of course) that a lot of Quebecers were upset that Beaulieu didn’t speak French?
          So where did his neighbor hear this and how come we didn’t hear it here…in Montreal?
          Isn’t that weird though?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Hey varmint, if you’re gonna rant and rave and call Lu names like “scumbag” and “ultra anglo”, could you at least get the quote right? He said “a portion of the fanbase was upset”. He didn’t say anything about french quebecers. Thats something you’ve made up to make your psycho rant on him feel appropriate.

    • Marc10 says:

      Not to defend Lu who is plainly trying to stir up something as there’s no news/goalie controversy at the mo… He wasn’t the only one to drop in that statement. The CKAC boys at the draft mentioned he might want to learn some French with a name like that and the kid agreed. I recall Hickey mentioning Beaulieu was unilligual.

      No biggie. This is just TSN doing their level best to portray French speaking Montrealers as intolerant and a bunch separatists. It’s the standard crock of s***. IMO, since Kovalev scored 35 without speaking a lick of French the whole controversy has died down. Captain G speaks very little French and no one cares. He gets it done and when he’s asked to address the good folks in both languages he steps up.
      Cams and Gomer do too. Heck most guys say ‘merci’ at the end of interviews. PK and Pricey are arguably the most popular Habs and they don’t say much ‘en francais…’ Win and no one cares.

      Lu is playing with stereotypes. He might as well be reporting from Calgary.

      “To be irreplaceable, you have to be different”.
      Andy Warhol

      Go PK Go!

      • Bugs says:

        So which one of RDS or Hickey said that we were ALREADY “upset that with a name like Beaulieu, he didn’t speak French”?
        You know, that which Lu clearly stated?
        And that’s incorrect about Kovy. Unlike Saku, he learned Bonjour and Merci beaucoup. And that’s all we want.

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  14. HardHabits says:

    JM likes his pairs.

    Cammy and Plex. Gomez and Gio.

    He might also designate Eller and AK46 and DD and Patches as the other pairs. Or maybe not.

    But I think it’s safe to say that at one point or another the top 2 lines will be:

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Yeah, which is fine, AK Eller DD looks mighty fine on paper…

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I see Jacques those (^above^) combos right from day one, but I’d pair Gomez with Cammi, and Pleks with Gio.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Well, the real “pair” we need he doesn’t seem so interested in…

      …and any line with Gomez on it won’t be a “top” line. I don’t care if you put him with Ovechkin and Kovalchuk…

      That said, HH, I LOVE your Cole/Plex/Cammy line. Hope JM keeps them together for more than a period.

  15. 24 Cups says:

    Cedrik Desjardins has signed on with Colorado on a two-way contract. I’m not sure how this will work out seeing that Varlamov is signed for three years and J-S Giguere is signed for two. I’m also not sure about Tampa taking another run at the Cup with Roloson in net. He’s almost as old as the headmaster.

    Vokoun at 1.5M just might be the best UFA signing of the summer.

    • HabFab says:

      Off subject but your volley remained me of Bryan. Did you have any luck contacting him?

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      Yeah, Vokoun was dirt cheap, but he probably feels a discount to the Caps is a good investment for a cup…

      The east has so many good teams tho… I mean, besides the leafs, ANYONE has a chance, LOL just kidding, NYR will continue lacking a heart as usual

      Whom here thinks Richard will have less than 1 PPG…

    • HardHabits says:

      Cedrik Desjardins will play in the AHL. He’s insurance in case Varlamov or Giguere get injured.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      the way the goalie market has been Tampa may wait in the weeds for March… there are many pretenders in October, we’ll see who makes it through the land-mines.

    • AK_PK_Usay says:

      You don’t get much from 4th liners, and, i think White/Moen can make up a good 4th line

      • 24 Cups says:

        Those two need a centre unless White moves back there with DD playing on the 3rd line as a winger. Regardless, we need some more depth down the middle before the season starts.

        • AK_PK_Usay says:

          Yeah, i was wondering why White doesn’t get a chance at center too, him Moen and Darche.

          feels nice tho, to have quite a team with 8 mil to spare. (altho all that is going to PK and Price next year, and then DD Eller Patches will all get raises when their current terms expire)

        • G-Man says:

          Enqvist should get his chance.

    • The Dude says:

      With White still unsigned ,I say they ditch Moen and see what happens the next time we play Boston or any other ruff-house team….Goathier style! We’ll break their hand with our face’s as we turtle past them!

    • geo_habsgo says:

      Moen is still worth the roster space IMO. I think that he, like Spacek has not really had the opportunity to play the role that they were signed here to play, if only for brief flashes. He was often asked to play on the top lines to fill needs due to injuries and while he did not exactly produce like a top-six, he played with heart and guts and never took a shift off. His work ethic and heart is what kickstarts fourth lines and is what makes fourth line players more than just pylons on the ice (regardless of how poor their skating might be!)

      I am eager to see Moen back on this squad playing manageable minutes because I think that in a healthy team, he and White can be a great duo that mixes it up and agitates opposing teams players.

    • punkster says:

      Yes. For the money he is the right 3rd/4th liner for now. He doesn’t have any serious flaws, he’s tenacious and he’s tough.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  16. AK_PK_Usay says:

    I agree those are our top 9 forwards.

    And i agree with having 1 big body on each line, the rest, who knows.

    I think Andrei and Eller have more chemistry, and Pleks and Cammi have more.

    Im gonna say it now, Gomez will have a good year. And we will have 3 lines.

    As for our 4th line, with White and Moen, why do people complain about size and grit, those two have plenty.

    I don’t think Enqwist is ready for the NHL, he is a big guy, and i noticed unless theyre super talented, big guys take longer to develop.

    But he could do until Eller is back, and come march, I think a guy like Atsvin will be ready to help for the standing push and playoffs.

    Get Beaulieu to Hammilton this season, how is he challenged by playing on a team where they’re #1…

    • DearyLeary says:

      Nope. Beaulieu will be in St. John, and it’s exactly where he should be. He’s going to be an integral part of the Canadian junior team where he will be able to refine his leadership role and his penchant to play in big games (he’ll also likely make a return trip to the Memorial Cup where these aspects will get a workout again).

      Avstin will remain in Hamilton, and likely won’t get called up unless we see a big jump in development. He certainly showed flashes last season of the skill that makes him a valuable asset, but consistency and strength are still big issues for him. The fact that he’s in the AHL shows he’s willing to commit to the North American game for now, but Valentenko came over early in his development too, and he’s in Russia now.

      So lets not be too hasty with our youth. I think we’ve got a bunch of solid prospects, but none of them need to be rushed into the line of fire.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    PK Subban pops into Belleville to help out with some more charity work. Kudos to our old friend, Kevin van Steendelaar.

    • secretdragonfly says:

      Hmm, while Brad “The Rat” Marchand is drinking and whoring his way through New England and the Maritimes, PK is on a charity swing – makes you wonder, don’t it?

    • DearyLeary says:

      I think that’s a pretty shallow interpretation. Cole also went to a bad Oilers team, and he was supposed to be a star there. Now he’s coming to a team that already has deep playoff aspirations and a good core of youth and veterans where he rounds out the lineup, as opposed to being a 1A type player.

      The role will be similar to what he played in Carolina.

      What I’m worried about is how Martin will reign Cole in. Cole was at his best when he could pressure opposing defencemen into making mistakes. JM has a tendency to reign in his players on the forecheck, and in pressuring the points (two areas Cole excels in).

      If Martin uses him properly, talent and drive won’t be an issue. If Martin stifles him (as he does with many players) we could be in for some frustration.

  18. Sean Bonjovi says:

    I think the top line is Cammi – Gomez – Cole. That’s the line the Jordan Staals and Patrice Bergerons of the league line up against.

    The 2nd line is Andrei – Pleks – Gionta. Put them out against the Sedins, or Ovy/Backstrom, St. Louis/Stamokos, Crosby/whoever ect.

    The 3rd line is Max Pac – Eller – DD. The Evgeni-Malkin-lines of the NHL might score a few on them, but put them out against most team’s #2-scoring-lines and they’ll probably have a plus rating.

    • G-Man says:

      If MaxPAc isn’t 100% he is on the 3rd line. If not he already has chemistry with Gio and Gomez.

      • AK_PK_Usay says:

        I think Sean wants him on 3rd where Eller is also big to take some pressure off playing physical while he gets rid of any fears from his accident.

        But to me, all those 9 guys are great and Im very happy about our core, and with Moen/White/XXXXX our 4th is looking like a 4th should. And not Softies like Pyatt. He had heart, but less offensive talent than Moen and softer than DD… best of luck in Tampa.

        Also, our top 9, we can’t have our smaller players on the same line, better to spread them.

        Im still so prowd of Eller, popping that shoulder and competing, that’s heart, that’s grit, that’s the right attitude.

        BTW did anyone else read that he’s already married, good for him.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I’m not trying to pick a fight, but on what basis can you possibly envision Gomez being the first line center? I know we’re stuck with him and we have to play him somewhere (like Hamilton), but jeez… if you have some great insight that he’s had his trip on the road to Damascus and might actually shoot or go to the net once in a while, pray do share… otherwise…

      His prancing around the neutral zone and one handed back checking didn’t cut it last year – why will he decide to give a cr*p now?

  19. 24 Cups says:

    I’ve been out all day so I’m not sure if anyone has posted and/or discussed this article. Cole vs Ryder.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I don’t get the “Cole can only excel in Carolina” argument. It doesn’t make any sense.

      • Bugs says:

        How about: “Cole only sucks in Edmonton”.
        Wouldn’t THAT work just as well?

        Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Or better Cole only sucked that one season in Edmonton.

          And he didn’t even suck all that much – 18 goals in 63 games comes out to 21 for the season. Not great but not Gomez-style suckitude.

          • G-Man says:

            Remember when Pleks had 39 points?

          • 24moreCups says:

            That doesn’t sound too bad, but maybe his overall game wasn’t so good with the Oils.

            I think in Montreal he might play well, Plecky is a great play maker and he can make more room for both Cammy and Plecks to do their thing.

  20. HabFab says:

    Now that we have completed the mating rituals of certain HIO posters, some hockey news. Check out rankings of NHL TV broadcasters, see who is ranked biggest “homer”.

    WARNING! some supporters of the Habs may take offense to this article.

    • Jim Edson says:

      At least he recognizes Jack Edwards for the moron that he is!

      But his analysis is soft and lacking grit wrt Edwards who singly puts NHL hockey in a bad light every night!

      Time the NHL to QC its broadcast product with as much vigour as they do trademarks!

      …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

      Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

  21. AndyC says:

    I see a lot of people complaining about JayBee. He was on Hfboards and wasn’t well liked there either, in fact he got banned.

    • JayBee says:

      The reason why I got banned from HFBoards was because I questioned the modding there. Far too inconsistent and petty. I have an account there but rarely use it cuz I can’t stand most of the people who post on the Habs board.

    • Bill J says:

      Without taking sides, HFBoards is the dictatorship of Hab blog sites. They want things done THEIR way or it’s banishment for you.

  22. habs_r_us says:

    with regards to tom and jaybee’s arguement about sandpaper/skill balance on the team i believe the team has solidified the sandpaper aspect quite well this summer we have 2 top six forwards with sandpaper in cole/pacioretty and then the bottom six we have darche,moen,white each providing quality (sandpaper)

    in fact if you project the lines for the coming season each of the top three lines have a terrific balance of a grinder/shooter/playmaker


    the team also has eller who is a developing universal utility forward in the mold of brandon dubinsky or ryan callahan a player who has all around utility skills. he should recover some time early in the season.

    the team also traded for some depth sandpaper in mike blunden who still has plenty of potentiol untapped as a power winger.

  23. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I was rolled into Surrey Memorial Hospital on a gurney a few days ago …writhing in a near-death rattle …or, at the time, it all very realistically ‘seemed’
    …amazin’ the over-magnified pain a barely visible 5 mm fleck of crystal can cause in One’s urinary tract
    …My first, and Gawd-help-Me …prayerfully, …THE LAST kidney-stone I will ‘experience’
    …well, that being said, My last conscious recollection before entering HealthCare Hell (…ever roll-in into a Canadian Emergency Ward and sit/wait/sit/wait/sit/wait/sit/wait …fer HOURS !!!! …’patiently’ …as You were dealing with Your heart attack, burst appendix, or middlin’ kidney stone at Death’s Door, …ultimately feeling closer psychically to Khalid Shaikh Mohammed at his pre-breakfast ‘discussions’ with the CIA at Guantanamo ?
    …yah !, I guess You have …or, have not
    …I can’t be the Only One …could I ?
    …nah !
    …anywayz, da point of dis IS ! …My Last Concious (THANK GAWD ! fer MORPHINE !!!) Recollection …was readin’ HIO’s byline ‘The Kids Are Alright’ by, I believe, Kevin Mio
    …same throw-away header for a few dayz
    ……t’inkin’ to My Self, I am perceiving Boonski in His dark-basement pleasurin’ Himself with His finger Dog-puppet as He was fantasizing What Could Be at …AND Stubbs being temporarily reassigned to cover the World Lawn Darts Championships in Chateauguay
    …was ’bout to go back to sleep recovering from the kidney-stone shock to My system, I notice there’s almost 700 comment hits for a non-article
    …I read down, and sure as Hell, there were HabsolutelyOutOfHisFugginAnti_frenchGourd and our irrepressible M. francaise de lièvre (better known to Us all as Buggzy) goin’ at it hammer & carrot
    …so, discouraged, I pass-on to other more enlightening sites for My hit of Habs’ News
    …this mornin’ I give ol’ HIO annuder shot at provin’ to Me it ain’t the most infantile Hab site in creation
    …wouldn’t You know, there were someone called Jaybee and Tom Nickle reprising the adage that Nutz are not exclusive ta squirrels
    ……makes Me wanna put that ‘stone’ back in …climb back on the gurney, and realize I didn’t have it so bad after all
    …sigh !

    Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “…before entering HealthCare Hell”. Take your politics somewhere else bro.

    • t1tan5 says:

      I really want to read this, but I just can’t. I am a child of the internet generation; I can understand sentences without any real punctuation. This, however, takes lack of punctuation to a whole new level.

    • I’m anti-french am I? I’m a Quebecer who speaks french. I have many french friends and they don’t seem to think I’m “anti-french”. In fact, one of my best friends here in Florida is a french guy who is a professional golfer who hardly speaks english. Maybe I’ll ask him to come here and respond to your comment that I’m “anti-french”. Maybe you need to lower your dosage a bit huh? Okay, so let’s recap, I’m anti-french because I didn’t think John Lu deserved being called a “scumbag” and an “ultra anglo”. and TomNickel and Jaybee are “nuts” for having opposing views on the need for grit on the habs. Thanks so much for showing up and thrilling us with your acumen.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …sigh !!!

        Habitant means PASSIONATE HOCKEY

      • Bill J says:

        Well well well… It seems you are making more friends.

        Do you not see the common denominator in this, is YOU ?

        Perhaps your blunt and outright ignorant writing style is the problem ?

        Why do I bother, you will likely reply with your colorful language again, because you seem unable to discuss with people who disagree with you without making it personal.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Habsoloutly, one way you could maybe show some enlightenment is to not refer to French-Canadians or Quebecois as “french”. You can say French-speaking or francophone, but ‘French’ is reserved for people and things from France.

        I know you’re not the only one, everybody does it, but it’s something you can change. Sticking a label like french on people is a slippery path, and I’m sure you don’t do the opposite and label everyone else english. Do you go around stating “A lot of my friends are english”, and “I know a hockey coach, he’s english and he doesn’t speak french”?

        You righteously claim that you’re a Quebecer, please let me assert that I am Canadian, not english, not french.

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    • punkster says:

      Ouch! Feel for you C. Hang tough.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • LA Loyalist says:

      I’m really glad you like “”

      Thought it was just me.

    • Bugs says:

      Got me confused with someone else.
      I started the Lu party, and Abso did indeed do a lot of spewing, but I certainly didn’t “go at it” with him. I just use my stock jerk-reply in those cases: “Yeah, eh? Yyyeah.”
      That’s it.
      There was another reply but it was deleted. In it, I explained why I had no time for him (clearly and carefully laid out) and concluding with “if one chooses to roll around with the pigs; one won’t avoid gettin all muddied up too.”
      But there was no debate on anything. There never is. Abso hears what he wants to hear and reformulates it to suit his infantile need to get back at me for having checkmated him months previous. The separatist angle is his choix du jour, that’s all.
      And once I did that, I got the inevitable “looks like my logic is finally getting Bugs to crack. he just can’t take it that only me, smart-smart Abso can see through the bs and tell it like it is”.
      And then he feels vindicated for awhile. Cuz that’s all he’s after: reclaiming lost face at my expense. That is, until his parent or guardian reads it back to him and he comes to realize that he looks more like a chump than when he previously started. And the cycle starts up again later.
      I don’t know, he needs me? I guess? I don’t know, replies, replies, all the time replies, because I like the color blue, I hate English people, and because I like to swim, my best friend is Hitler, whatever. Who knows with people like that? More pride than brains; there’s no point replyin, let alone debatin.
      So no, I don’t “go at it” with him.
      I have learned to let the jerks have the last word because no matter what, they always come back to your posts; you never need go to theirs.
      Ever notice that?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Funny how your memory gets bad huh bugs? I seem to remember you calling Lu a “scumbag” and an “ultra Anglo”. and I responded to your long rant by saying:

        “yes Bugs, because the french media never over-react to habs related news right?”

        Then you and your minions started to attack me. Then after the argument had died down, Bill the troll J decided to resurect it from 2 pages down and called me out with a back handed insult. With that I had had enough and let Bill the troll J know how I felt about him. So, I think it’s pretty clear who the jerk is here varmint. Tell you what, when I care what an over-weight waiter, french nationalist thinks of me, I’ll give you a call. Till then, I laugh in your general direction.

        • Bugs says:

          Exhibit A: thinking my Lu point was that a member of the “English media was over-reacting to Habs related news.”
          What’s the point of addressing ANY of your complaints, Abso, if you don’t even understand the first essential point of that rant, something I’ve mentioned to you before, that you completely miss the point, too intent on focusing your humiliated rage at me?
          But worst is part of me thinks you’re doing it on purpose.
          So again, I’m sorry, Abso, you might be a great guy and everything, but I’ve got no more time for you.
          Please feel free to consider that as the ultimate sign that you’re “gettin me to crack” by “calling me on my bs” if you like.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Don’t bother responding to me anymore varmint. You’ve lost the argument, you can’t win. You’ve been checkmated.

          • Bill J says:

            omg seriously _Habsoloutly_, YOU replied to him. Proving HIS point about you replying to him (you being the jerk is his analogy).

          • omg, why do you keep stalking my posts? are you for real? get a life you ignorant old coward, or grow a pair and meet me so I can make you eat your words.

        • Bill J says:

          For one, if you think I am Bugs’s minion, you are blind or clueless. Him and I have not generally mixed well… He can certainly attest to that.

          But one thing I do share with him, “choosing your words wisely”. Something it seems you could learn from.

          You might want to start by learning to read properly, because “The Lu rant” focused on his “research” pertaining to the pulse of Franco Habs fans with respect to Beaulieu speaking French. One issue, not a bigger issue as you tried to make it.

  24. LA Loyalist says:

    Damn. A fine brawl and I missed it.

    As for Kool-aid, vile stuff.

    Did any of you guys drink “Freshie”?

  25. t1tan5 says:

    Based on the pedantic exchanges I’m reading below, the season cannot arrive soon enough.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Dude, it’s barely July… it will get a lot worse than this. At least last year we had Halak/Price to argue over. Gomez has been done to death (even I’m sick of it and I’m one of the leaders with the torches and pitchforks).

      Hockey is funny, though, my kid played 7 days straight the last week of June, sometimes 3x a day through playoffs and tryouts, and then after a week off said “If I don’t play some hockey soon I’m gonna die.”

      So we went back to the rink. I had been planning to give him a month off….

      • t1tan5 says:

        It’s just that all of these arguments have no real substance behind them. For example, I remember a huge debate recently about trading PK or Price for Stamkos. People are so starved for hockey talk that they argue over what-ifs. In my opinion, mega-debate threads should be be based upon at least a shred of truth.

        I can relate to your son’s boredom. After finishing my undergrad, I decided to take five months off. I thought it would be a great way ti unwind after nearly 20 years of constant schooling. After two weeks, I was bored out of my mind.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          I agree that the theoreticals are deadly and I almost always skip them.

          I think it comes from the fantasy leagues where a guy can have Kovalchuk and Ovechkin on the same team (if he can manage it).

          As for trading for Stamkos, you can’t make any trade where you are filling one hole only to create another of equal size, unless you are overloaded in one position, eg. we had a problem with Halak and Price last year, 2 #1, goalies — THAT was a rare and precious luxury that we pretty much wasted, but that’s besides the point. Those are the only situations where you can make such a trade and come out ahead in the bigger picture. A current example might be if Yemelin turns out to be the next Wiz or Streit or Markov, for that matter, and he kind of came out of nowhere (as did Halak and Markov, for that matter) and enables us to trade, say Weber and Eller, for a power forward. Put in any names you think, it’s the depth of assets that is the point, and that’s what PG seems to be trying to do in the minors – let’s hope! But the idea of trading 4 grinders for a stud like Stamkos, that isn’t happening either.

          We’re going to have to do it the hard way. We’re going to have to earn it.

  26. PeterStone says:

    is there any alternative way that the Avalanche can make it to the cap floor without acquiring some overpaid, underperforming talent … like, hmmmm ….

    • TomNickle says:

      Sign their restricted free agents to market value deals and give Landeskog an entry level deal with bonuses.

      The Islanders on the other hand may need to acquire a bit of salary.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Why they gave up on young Shattenkirk I’ll never know.

      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • habs_r_us says:

        avalanche have made quite a few bizarre trades this year one that really stood out was trading away star goalie craig anderson for brian elliot and then letting elliot go.

  27. HardHabits says:

    JayBee has a more abrasive edge and is bolder with his comments whereas TomNickle is quicker to fly off the handle albeit with an adept reply.

    So in other words JayBee arguments make tall assumptions and are grittier whereas TomNickle arguments are all about speedy comebacks and skilfully worded insults.

    I hope that clears things up.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      LOL, the Size & Grit vs Speed and Skill debate rages on!!!

      Nice one HH

    • adam76 says:

      Tom is a bully, a know it all with such an inferiority complex he overcompensates by slamming anyone who disagrees.

      To brag about his coaching experience (NOT PEE WEE!!!) the second someone questions one of his takes, make me feel real, sincere embarrassment for him. The sad part is, he knows this team and the sport.

      Tom is always getting into these childish exchanges, and that fact won’t change until he does.

  28. Favorite Son says:

    I read the embarrassing exchange below and I have to say I don’t really see Eller and Darche as being physical players…

    But…it seems now we all have a different definition for physical so it depends. Eller is big, yes, but I don’t think he uses his size like he could. I love Darche and I don’t know how many hits he dished out last season but he’s not what you’d call a gritty forward.

    Kostitsyn…well at times he gives out a pretty solid hit but it rarely happens. Consistency is an issue with him all around, though.

    So who’s got grit on the Habs? White, Moen (not as much anymore), Pacioretty, Subban…I think that’s it…

    So no, not nearly enough team toughness methinks.

    • warriorhockey says:

      i find it funny that you say kostitsyn is inconsistent, because he had 140 hits this season…………..

      Avise la fin (Consider the end)

  29. Everlasting1 says:

    To all the mouth-breathers.. I recommend sipping something other than a Purple Jesus when wearing white.

    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  30. JayBee says:

    I’ll take it upon myself to apologize for my mini tirade. I got worked up. Won’t happen again. Sorry.

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I certainly know the feeling of getting into a verbal dispute on this site during a long work day…. and then regretting it afterwards.

      I am also making an effort to stay out of drawn out disputes on this page, because at the end of the day, we are all Habs fans. (well most of us are)

      • JayBee says:

        Indeed. We all want to see Gio raising the cup. We just have different opinions on how to make that happen :)

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          I like to picture Price, Subby & Max having their day and hoisting the cup.

          Perfect way to tell every single hater to go fock themselves. (Bruins nation & CBC are the top of my hate list)

  31. Flex Aarnell says:

    Let’s take sides.

    Who thinks JayBee is a bit of an asshole? (I do)

    Who thinks Tom Nickle is a bit too sensitive? (I do)

    Who thinks both have great hockey intellects? (I do)

    And, for the record, kool-aid is a delicious summertime drink (especially when mixed with vodka) and I, for one, can proudly proclaim myself a kool-aid drinker. Mind you, I also think the habs are perennial cup contenders…

    • Chips says:

      Kids these days are such lightweights!!! In my days, grape kool-aid was mixed with the 94% Alcool, to make what was called a Purple Jesus!! Purple Jesus parties were always very heavy on the cleanup aspect of things!!! Can you say projectile vomitting!!! Thank my cousin Chuck for introducing us to the PJ!!!

      25 in 2012

      • Ron in Ottawa says:

        Wimp. A Purple Jesus in my day- the 60’s- was equal parts Logenberry wine and Alcool. to that you couls always mix in any other clear or dark colored liquids but those two were the basics. Maybe the habs never won back then- maybe we were so blitzed we thought they did!

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Seeing the names involved…don’t have to read any further….

  32. StandingPat4788 says:

    You are all kool-aid drinkers.

  33. avatar_58 says:

    Gorges? No?



  34. ProHabs says:

    So for the next decade, the Habs are going to have to face Lucic in Boston, Kassian in Buffalo and Biggs in Toronto. The Habs need an answer to these players and here it is: Kyle Beach from Chicago. He is as crazy or crazier than the 3 mentioned above and would look great in a Habs jersey. Go get him Goats.

  35. HardHabits says:

    There 21 instances of koolaid or kool-aid on this page, 23 with this sentence. My recommendation. Ice.

    It’s more than just an analogy. Think about it.

  36. secretdragonfly says:

    Sheesh, am I the only one who thinks both JayBee and Tom need to step outside to get some fresh air? The back and forth was mildly entertaining at first but my hand is now cramping up from scrolling past the vitriol. I’ll check in again in a couple of days to see how things are progressing.

  37. TorontoHabsFan says:

    So here’s something to chew on – can anybody recall a single game this season when the Habs mailed it in and coasted through a 3rd period?

    I honestly cannot recall a single game.

    That, to me, speaks highly of character and coaching. We may not win every game…but we won’t slink away when the chips are down either.

    • punkster says:

      True, THF. The team may be a bit short on scoring talent but they do have heart. Contrary to some of today’s discussion I think scoring would win us way more games than additional physicality. I’d rather PG spent our Cap space on a scorer than an enforcer, a fighter, a goon, a hitter or anyone whose sole attribute is physical play. Nice to have a combination of the above but when I last checked total goals actually win games.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Haligonian-Hab says:

      I was in boston for the 7-0 funeral.. I can recall a time when..

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I recall coasting through entire games. But just a third period? Not sure.

  38. HardHabits says:

    The PacGoGio Line? Sounds like Topo Gigio?

    Step aside Flying Frenchmen here come the Flying Latinos.

  39. twilighthours says:

    Anybody who has taken a statistics course knows that “hits” is not a statistic at all but simply a measurement.

    The Habs are not soft. Not at all. Soft teams run and hide (see Sedins) when the going gets tough. Habs don’t.

    Eller is or will be soon a physical player. Darche not so much. Just finishing your hits doesnt make you a physical player.

    JayBee you seem awfully argumentative.

    It’s amazing how much time some of you guys have to spend on HIO. I love it

    • JayBee says:

      “Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate”.

      You say argumentative…I say “lively debater”.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      I think you just pointed out something some of us have been trying to say to some posters who keep on going about Canadiens being small. But we have not been able to adequately argue about it before.

      I agree with you in regards to Sedin sisters.

      Great post!

      Go! Hockey! Go!

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I disagree with the judgment that the Sedins are soft and failed during the playoffs.

      These guys were injured and played hurt through the last two rounds of the playoffs without complaining about the slashing and pounding they took. I wish they had gone on camera and gone all Jeremy Roenick and shone a spotlight on the crap that was going on, it might have forced a reaction from the officials.

      To refer to them as sisters is an easy cheap shot that they don’t deserve. It’s also a childish taunt that you wouldn’t pull if you were face to face with them at Costco or the pub. You’d say “Please sir” and “Thank you sir” to these superbly conditioned athletes who would tear you apart if they had to.

      Worse, by taunting them like that, you validate the Don Cherry-Mike Milbury-PJ Stock attitude that prevails in the NHL now. If I’ve chosen a side and I now look around and see those three in my group and look over and see the Sedins in the other, I quickly defect and join the other guys.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      • twilighthours says:

        I didn’t call them sisters; I called them soft. Please don’t lump me in with Milbury and Cherry (although in this case, they are right – the Sedins are soft and no one can convince me otherwise after that pathetic display in the finals).

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          My reply was to all the posters in the thread who stated or agreed that Henrik and Daniel Sedin are ‘soft’. I also took issue specifically with the ridicule heaped on them when they are called sisters. You are quite right that you didn’t do so, another poster did. My reply was to the whole tendency to dismiss two excellent players because the refs were incompetent and the league corrupt in their application of the rules.

          The player who proved soft was Roberto Luongo. He is the one who crumbled under pressure and didn’t battle back when things weren’t going his way. Maybe the peanut gallery can come up with a derisive name for him.

          Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

  40. christophor says:

    The Habs haven’t always crumbled against physical teams (see Boston). I’m willing to admit they don’t match very well against physical teams in general, and that something needs to be done.

    The strategy has been to capitalize special-teams-wise against these sorts, but this hasn’t always worked, mainly because lack of puck possession, not just lack of ‘physicality’.

    (1) A healthy Markov and a slightly more developed Subban will do more against Boston-types than would a couple of physical bottom 6-ers.
    (2) Here’s where physicality is needed: one winger per the top three lines who can retrieve the puck. I think the top 3 lines are pretty good in that respect (Cole, Patches, AK/Darche).

    White and Moen are fine on the 4th. If you want a killer, get one to play with those two, sure, but any muscle on the top 3 lines (and top two defence pairings) should be quick, because that’s the game we play. Cole is quick, so is Patches, and the projected third line is quick and not full of push-overs.

    I’d say we’re a top-4, decent-skating D-man from my being happy. Subban is ok with Gill but I guess that he’ll take less penalties when paired with Gorges or someone else who can move faster than continental drift. Gill can be our 5th D-man and 1st PK-man.

    Boston can goon it up all they want. With our puck-moving D-men, speed, and puck retrieval, they’ll pay for it with continued losses.

    • joshua94k says:

      The Habs crumbled against the Bruins?
      It took the Bruins seven games and overtime in the deciding game to beat the Canadiens with a depleted line-up (Markov, Gorges, Paccioretty etc.)

      Who has won more games between the two teams the past two seasons?


      The team that crumbled against the Bruins is the Flyers. A team that is suppose to be big and tough.

      “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Yeah, we had them down 2 games to 0 in their rink and we came home and coughed up a fur ball, coming up short in the killer instinct department – leadership, coaching, whatever you want to call it.

        What’s your explanation?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Key word in your entire thing is injuries. We had a quite a few big ones last year. The year before we did ok but the year before that was terrible as well.

      If this team stays healthy it will compete. The only problem with the defensive style of play that JM preaches is you take a lot of hits against.

      You are right on the puck moving D men though. They are crucial. Spacek was terrible at it last year. So was Picard.

  41. JD_ says:

    * In keepin’ with the prevalent theme yesterday, all of which I missed, here goes: Soobie straight up for Vüuten, Greckner, and Pjiisford? Is it a go if the Habs throw in a conditional 5th rounder?

    * More importantly, should Todd and Tremblay get a room?

    * Guess I wasn’t payin’ attention durin’ the NHL Entry Draft – I typically zone out when things stop matterin’, i.e., say about a halfway through the first round – but considerin’ that Beauly was among three Saint-John Sea Dogs taken in the openin’ round of this year’s edition, four when you stretch out to 35th overall pick Tomas Jurco, it says somethin’ about a team that had a grand total of eight picks drafted in its first five years of existence in the Q. Always knew head coach Gerard Gallant would amount to somethin’.


    * Some might argue Turk rode Stevie Y’s coattails in Detroit for a long time, but, despite his size, he never, ever shied away from anythin’ and would get under other players’ skins with the utmost of ease. After retirin’ from play, Gallant coached and was eventually dropped by the B-Jackets, worked as an assistant with the Isles, and is now successfully payin’ his dues in the Q. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him make a return to the NHL.

    * Contrast this to Carbo. Not that I blame him but, man, Guy is one impatient dude. He had a cup of coffee coachin’ his Chicoutimi Sagueneens and has recently said he will only take a head coachin’ job in the NHL, notin’ no interest at all in the AHL or an assistant job in the NHL. My only concern for the honorable former Habs warrior is that if his next go-around doesn’t work out, his resume is gonna take on the consistency of dandelion fluff. The New Jersey Devils? Be careful what you wish for.

    * Derian Hatcher take note: Neptune is just now completin’ its first orbit of the sun after first bein’ discovered in the mid-19th century.

  42. Flex Aarnell says:

    Because the comments here today are going to the sh*ts qucker than when my grandma eats dairy….let’s jump on the predictions bandwagon with a simple game of over/under…

    1. Markov 70 gp / 50 pts (over or under?)

    2. Lars Eller 35 pts (over or under?)

    3. DD 40 pts (over or under?)

    4. Scotty Gomez 55 pts (over or under?)

    5. Benny Bruin Pouliot 35 pts (over or under?)

    6. AK 25g/45 pts (over or under?)

  43. HalifaxHabs says:

    This isn’t me taking sides on today’s heated debate or anything, but I do want to point one thing out, because as we all know this goes way back before today’s debate.

    Calling someone a kool-aid sipper is akin to calling them moron or stupid.

    There’s alot of people on here who use the term “kool-aid sipper”, then act like it’s not as bad as calling someone a moron or an idiot. It’s just as much as insult as those words because it implies the same thing. Someone who is sipping kool-aid isn’t forming their own opinions, and just repeating the “company line” whatever that is supposed to be.

    So don’t be cowards, if you want to call someone dumb, or stupid, or a moron, just call them that, instead of pretending it’s more polite to call them a kool-aid sipper.

    • JayBee says:

      So what’s worse? Calling someone a koolaid sipper

      or calling someone…

      a mental midget
      a moron
      lack of hockey knowledge.

      And a koolaid sipper is a koolaid sipper…If I wanted to call him dumb or stupid, I would have.

      Your objectivity is appreciated. 😀

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        In my gut JayBee, I feel if someone calls me a kool-aid sipper, they are calling me a moron(or whatever insult demeans someone’s intelligence).

        So to me, that list of insults, and the term “kool-aid sipper”, are the same thing.

        Again, not taking sides, or referring to you and Tom specifically. It’s just the use of kool-aid sipper seems to be on the rise around here, and it my books it’s an insult just like all the others.

    • TomNickle says:

      You got involved just now because you know he’s been trolling my comments for the better part of a month. You know his game. And you know that the second somebody responds to him he plays innocent. Others are just seeing it as an impromptu back and forth.

    • canuckbot says:

      “Kool-Aid sipper” means you believe wholeheartedly what someone else has said/reported. It is not an insult akin to name calling.
      Idiot! 😉

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        To me a kool-aid sipper is someone who can’t form their own opinion, so they blindly follow what someone else said or reported. So calling someone a kool-aid sipper IS akin to an insult IMO. Douche-Bag! 😉

  44. canuckbot says:

    Does anyone know if TomNickle & JayBee are an old married couple. They should exchange emails to continue their bickering sessions. Nobody cares how good at debating you are!

    • JayBee says:

      My apologies. I didn’t want to engage further….but he got personal.

    • TomNickle says:

      Read the first sentence under the Rules of this site just underneath the photos.

      • JayBee says:

        Oh, you were well within the rules. I just can’t respect someone who tries to goad someone into an argument by getting personal.

        • TomNickle says:

          You started by calling me a koolaid drinker. What World are you living in?

          I’ll just stop replying now finally. I’ll leave you to your alternative reality.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I’ve missed you a couple of times (I’m GMT, often behind the live thread). Just to say I enjoyed your posts on the PK in Haiti thread (yeah, years ago) and left replies there.
        Hope you and the missus make up!

    • RGM says:

      I love the instant responses from both of them. “I didn’t want to get into it but then he stole my lightsaber so I took his Tonka truck. “That’s right I took his Tonka trunk but only because he said I was a smelly butt-face!”

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • ProHabs says:

      That is funny. They are either an old married couple or they were married to each other, got a divorce and now are obsessed with making each others life miserable.

  45. Everlasting1 says:

    My bold yet conservative estimates of goals/assists for the St.Louis Blues on the upcoming season..

    Chris Stewart – 30G-35A-65P
    David Backes – 30G-30A-60P
    Alex Steen – 24G-30A-54P
    Patrick Berglund – 23G-30A-53P
    Andy McDonald – 23G-30A-53P
    Jason Arnott – 20G-20A-40P
    T.J. Oshie – 19G-30A-49P
    Matt D’Agostini – 18G-25A-43P
    Jamie Langenbrunner – 12G-25A-37P
    Vladimir Sobotka – 10G-22A-32P
    B.J. Crombeen – 5G-7A-12P


    Alex Pietrangelo – 13G-35A-48P
    Kevin Shattenkirk – 10G-40A-50P

    Won’t get ridiculous with the rest of the roster..too many variables ie. TOI, etc. so +20G rounding out the rest..
    Tallying the goals puts them tied with Detroit and 1 goal shy of the league leading Vancouver with 257G! :-) This is omitting the David Perron factor, who is unlikely to return till mid-season, if at all.
    Said figures obviously based on an ideal injury-free season, line-up combos.

    ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • TomNickle says:

      Is Alex Pieterangelo still better than PK Subban Sergio?

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Damn straight..based on penalty differential and +/- alone.

        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • TomNickle says:

          Haha. Nick Lidstrom was -2 this season. So Pietrangelo must be a better player than he is.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Must be! hehe

            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • TorontoHabsFan says:

          Now THAT’S a bold statement! Care to make your argument?

          (as an aside – I think we’re about to enter into a golden age of young defencemen. Subban, Doughty, Bogosian, Myers, Pietrangelo, Yandle, Byfuglien, Enstrom, Weber, Seabrook, Keith, Burns, Goligoski, Shattenkirk, Johnson, Letang, Schenn…I’m sure I’m missing some others in there too. The number of elite young defencemen playing in the league is astounding)

          • Everlasting1 says:

            I’ve made my case and the numbers speak for themselves. Maybe you’re caught up in the micro-bubble that is the Mtl hoopla.

            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Where did you make the argument? Is it on a blog or something? I’m not trying to be confrontational – I’m willing to be convinced!

            (I’m also looking to be entertained on a boring Monday afternoon)


          • LA Loyalist says:

            … and hopefully Emelin (25 – does he count as young?)

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            Here’s hoping, LA!

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      come on Ever, you can’t call them conservative estimates if you have the Blues 1 goal away from being the leagues top-scoring team.

      ps: I’ll trade you Spacek right now for Chris Stewart… you have to decide quick though, this deal is off the table in 5 munutes, lol.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        It’s unlikely to happen due to injuries, and the ‘Nucks were a relatively healthy team last year.

        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HardHabits says:

      It wont matter since the Blues will let in 260 as they finish 5th in a very strong Central division and miss the play-offs once again.

      But’s its nice to see you try to irritate imitate me.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        The D, pim, and pk couldn’t possibly be worse this time around.

        ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      My bold predictions re: the Blues.

      They will continue to be like a dull version of the Columbus Blue Jackets.

    • RGM says:

      Tell me more…

      During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      Btw, the only reason I have Stewart edging out Backes is cos of Backes’ pim lol

      ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  46. HardHabits says:

    My dad is grittier than your dad.

  47. Bripro says:

    I have to agree that the site is in dire straights right now.
    People I haven’t seen arguing before are in heated ones, bickering over little things. And then talk of mascots.
    It’s gonna be a looong summer.

    • PeterStone says:

      even worse than that, some folks are even posting about the St Louis Blues.

      • HalifaxHabs says:

        lol, zing to this site’s one Blues fan.

        • HardHabits says:

          No. No. No. He’s a Halak fan.

          The Blues are simply the team that will hang his idol out to dry.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Still sore from the loss back in March? Halak, Dagger puttin’ the screws in ya.

            ” There were giants on the earth in those days; and also after that (The Deluge), when the Sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.” Genesis 6:4

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    Enough arguing about size and grit.

    Let’s talk mascots.

    1. They all suck except Youpii.
    2. The Flyers do not have a mascot. This is the only good thing about the Flyers organization.
    3. While all mascots are lame, some actually have a biography, making them even more lame. Take for example, Blades the Bruin:

    “Blades the bear is notable because he is the only known bear who does not hibernate. Blades first took an interest in hockey when watching Johnny Bucyk play pond hockey with groups of neighborhood children. One day, he snuck in the back of Bucyk’s truck and was taken to the Boston Garden where Bucyk fed him pizza, hot dogs, popcorn, and pop from the concession stand.”

    Or how about:

    “Howler the Coyote is the mascot of the Phoenix Coyotes. The Number 96 on his sweater represents the year the Winnipeg Jets moved to Phoenix. He Wears a “M” Designation for Mascot,”

    How clever!

    And how about this for imagination:

    “N.J. Devil is the mascot of the New Jersey Devils hockey team. “

  49. Curtoph says:

    You can tell how badly this site needs actual habs news, people keep bitching at each other as to who is a better fan, and or knows what is best for this team, making this site more like a competition for most attention!

    • TomNickle says:

      I am not saying that I’m a better fan than Jaybee. I’m defending my opinions with facts. He’s calling me a koolaid drinker for saying that two players who suit up for the Habs are physical.

      • Curtoph says:

        Just a general consensus of this site the past few weeks without news, people always end up disagreeing with another and go off on large tangents on who is more right and who is more wrong.

        What I’m saying is he’s calling you names and I think it’s funny because we all cheer for the same team, now I don’t post here often I usually just read, but it’s getting a little hostile around here with people trying to implement their ideal toughness in their internet postings.

      • ed lopaz says:

        Tom, I read the exchange and I would like to weigh in.

        Eller and Darche (as an Alumni of Mcgill I love the guy!) play a physical game.

        They do not turn away from the hits, and they forecheck using their bodies.

        In that sense, I absolutely agree that they are physical players.

        But they do not play ANGRY – and thats the distinction here.

        Guys on the Bruins and Flyers hit with an anger, a ferocity and it is often with elbows and shoulders very high.

        There is a warrior mentality, kill or be killed, etc – you get the idea.

        I think we could use 1 guy like that on our 4th line, and 1 d-man like that.

        Maybe Yemelin will play like that – as you have suggested.

        Ryan White wants to play like that – but his size limits his effectiveness.

        There are hockey players that are so ANGRY, you dont want to play against them.

        We can use a little ANGER on this team.

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • TomNickle says:

          I will never disagree with anyone who says that we can be more physical. I will disagree with people who incorrectly say that current players who are in fact physical, are not.

          I have said for over a year that we need our defensemen to be more physical in front of our net and that we needed more physical play from our scoring forwards. Or rather, that physical players needed to be in place to compliment Plekanec, Cammalleri, Gomez and Gionta.

          With that said, I don’t feel that White, Moen, Kostitsyn, Eller and Darche are in any way inadequate in terms of the physical style that they play with. None whatsoever.

          I’d rather have Eller on my team than Jody Shelley.

          • ed lopaz says:

            Eller is a guy who has the talent to put up 60+ points a season at some point in his career – and not too distant in the future.

            So comparing Eller to Shelley is not a perfect example.

            Id rather have Thornton on Boston than Moen, however.

            Thornton plays like he is about to lose it.

            Its a crazy, no holds barred, in your face, warrior attitude.

            And Thornton is a crap hockey player – but he still plays an important role in the lineup.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • JayBee says:

            Again…with the extremes.

            No one is asking Eller to be replaced with Jody Shelley.

          • JayBee says:

            I wonder what the hit defferential is between Thornton and Moen…or any of the other guys of that caliber.

          • TomNickle says:

            Thornton had twelve more hits than Moen.

          • JayBee says:

            And I’d take Thornton over Moen any day of the week.

      • savethepuck says:

        I agreed with your assessment of our physical players. I also believe that AK is one of the more punishing hitters in the league. He is a very solid guy and when he hits someone they usually go down hard.

        “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • V says:

      Well, for two proponents of the tough stuff, you can’t say it’s much of a fight… the equivalent of Hayley Wickenheiser versus Thomas Kaberle.

  50. TomNickle says:

    Okay Jaybee. I’m a koolaid sipper? Please explain.

    • JayBee says:

      What is there to explain? I’m not going to engage in a back and forth with you. You’re a massive homer and are unable to look at the team, management, players with any kind of objectivity. I talked about physicality and you named Eller and Darche? (insult deleted)

      • TomNickle says:

        Of course you won’t engage in a conversation where you would be forced to defend your unfounded accusation. That would require thought. Please find one post of mine where I’ve said that I don’t want physical players on this team. Find one post of mine where I’ve said that management has done a perfect job with this team. Find one post of mine where I’ve said that this team hasn’t made a mistake.

        If you can find one. I will humbly apologize. I don’t think this team is perfect, I don’t think everything they touch turns to gold and I don’t think that this is a complete team.

        But I’m not about to agree with an immature mental midget who says that Lars Eller, Mathieu Darche and Andrei Kostitsyn aren’t physical hockey players and calls anyone who disagrees with him a koolaid drinker. That’s all you’ve got. It’s weak, it’s stupid. You tried to brow beat me for citing a statistic that measures the physical nature of a hockey player’s game. That’s what statistics are for Jaybee. (insult deleted)

        • JayBee says:

          *sigh* Have you ever taken a statistics course? If so, you’d know that stats can be manipulated to support ANY argument. So no, hit stats are NOT a good indicator of physicality. Especially when you see how they’re calculated.

          I’d much rather go into the corner against Eller than I would Kostitsyn and it has absolutely nothing to do with their “hit stats”.

          Funny how I was called out for calling you names. All I ever called you was a koolaid sipper.

          Yet I’ve been called a mental midget, a moron, I can’t read, questioned my hockey knowledge…etc..

          And what’s funny is most fans agree that our team lacks physicality. Keep up with the name-calling though. Watching Philly and Boston physically dominate this team in the playoffs over the last 4 meetings had nothing to do with a lack of a physical pressence. *roll eyes*

          • TomNickle says:

            You are a (insult deleted). You can come up with nothing. AND I MEAN NOTHING, factual or even logical thought that proves or comes close to giving credibility to the opinion that I’m a koolaid drinker. And you’ve been doing this for weeks. So yeah, I’ve had enough and I’m going to start using facts and statistics to discredit your short sighted and agenda suiting opinions. A bodycheck is not a subjective statistic. A statistician cannot attribute a bodycheck when a player lifts the stick of another. If anything, the bodycheck statistic shortchanges the player for whom the stat applies.

            A bodycheck is 100% indicative of the physicality of the player.

            You’re speaking with a financial professional by the way. Statistics are a pretty big part of my days.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            “If so, you’d know that stats can be manipulated to support ANY argument.”

            Perhaps (see “Freakonomics” for an example) but I doubt that is something they teach in statistics courses.

          • JayBee says:

            It’s like saying Hal Gill has a weak shot…then sighting shot statistics as if they speak to the quality of shot he takes. A 100mph slapshot has the same value as a 40mph slapshot…which is why using stats to support an argument is some of the (profanity deleted) you can do because stats NEVER truly tell the whole story. You’re in finance and work with stats yet you don’t understand this? (insult deleted)

            In addition physicality goes beyond body checks… it’s the intangibles that are important. There is no stat for playing angry or being a pest. There’s no stat for how you handle the after the whistle stuff.

            It’s baffling to me how you think this team’s phsyicality is adequate. Around the league, in the media and among fans of other teams…this latest incarnatin of the Habs have been called soft. It’s easy to watch the games and see this.

            I know it hurts your little heart but the Habs are a soft team right now. Adding Yemelin and Cole was a step in the right direction…but they need more sandpaper, period.

          • TomNickle says:

            Jaybee. I said bodychecking statistics are difficult to manipulate. You’re fabricating opinions and calling them mine to suit your agenda again. I said that “Eller, Moen, Darche, Kostitsyn and White” are adequate in the physicality department.

            I don’t recall seeing any of these guys skate away when there’s a scrum in front of a net or after a whistle. Speaking of the intangibles you’re referring to.

            And I’ve yet to say that this team as a whole has enough of a physical element or mentality. I’ve defended two players who you’ve said aren’t physical hockey players. That’s the whole root of this argument. And yet you continue to go down different paths because you’re out on a limb and can’t find your way back.

      • PeterStone says:

        as far as I can remember, the Canadiens have always had a nice balance, of skill, toughness, and just brute force. Going back to the late 70s, when I started really watching the Habs, they had Mahovolich, Robinson, Lambert, Tremblay, Bouchard, etc. 80s, when they won the Cup, Nilan, Chelios, Tremblay, McPhee, Robinson, Skrudland, Momesso, etc. 90s, when they won the cup, Keane, Odelein, Todd Ewan, Roberge ..

        Every team had a nice balance … the past few, I certainly agree, they have lost that balance of skill and Tough. Actually, until the past couple of years, they had neither skill nor toughness. Having said that, this is the best team they have assembled in a while … but like you, I would like to see a little more grit and a player that other teams worry about when they come to town. A nice open ice hitter, who lays you out when you cross the middle, or enter the zone. Yup, that would be nice, and a guy who can toss ’em ..

  51. TomNickle says:

    Apparently there’s still a pretty big hangover lingering from the Bruins assaulting our players this season. Nevermind that the Pacioretty hit was gutless and easily an act that deserved suspension. The Thornton, Campbell and Boychuk jumping of Pyatt, Hamrlik and Spacek seems to have left a bitter taste in people’s mouths long after the game has concluded.

    I’m starting to fear that a large portion of the Habs fanbase is lusting after a lineup full of cons and goons. But these people are forgetting. The Bruins were given preferential treatment by the League offices because of their ties. Our organization wouldn’t have that luxury if we decided to load up with thugs.

    • Cardiac says:

      I was going to write something about Larocque being a thug, but then I remembered that thugs don’t follow “the code”…

    • JayBee says:

      People have been calling for a bigger/tougher team far before “The Assault in Boston”.

      It’s honestly pathetic how a guy who goes around questioning peoples’ hockey knowledge is unable to differentiate between a tough, rugged player and a goon.

      No one wants a team full of thugs. That’s just some crap that you and your crew of pacifists have been spouting off.

      People want a well balanced team…that includes skilled players, defensive specialists, and a couple of TOUGH GUYS WHO CAN PLAY HOCKEY.

      Boston isn’t the only team that has pushed the Habs around.

      • TomNickle says:

        My crew of pacifists? Seriously? Anyone with an operational thought process, who can read, and in addition reads what I have to say knows that I want physical players on this team.

        You don’t think Eller, Darche or Kostitsyn are physical hockey players. And that opinion is incorrect on more than one level.

        But again, you can’t come up with anything factual or even remotely logical to defend your opinions of me.

        Gonna tell me that I’m content with this team’s results again? Or are you still looking for a post where I said that?

        • JayBee says:

          Did I mention Kostitsyn? Quote where I name dropped AndreiK as not being physical.

          Lets not talk about facts and logic. You posted hit stats as if that’s a solid representation of physicality. Are you serious? Being able do deliver a body check is NOT a solid indicator of physicality.

          Andrei Kostitsyn plays a physical game….Moen and White as well…but as for our forwards…that’s about it. Cole will help. The team still crumbles when the game gets physical. They’re a puck possession team yet never have the puck. They’re one of the most penalized team…wonder why that is…mmmmmm??

          Habs are a non-physical team…doesn’t matter how many hit stats you pull out of your arse.

          • TomNickle says:

            Being able to throw a bodycheck is not a solid indicator of physicality is quite possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.

          • Curtoph says:

            Hahaha I agree with Tom, you just said a body check is not being physical, that is 100% what a body check indicates. You can’t throw a body check without being physical last time I checked…

          • JayBee says:

            It isn’t a solid indicator because of how bodychecks are calculated. A soft rub out into the boards holds the same value as a open ice head rattleing hit a la Subban vs. Marchand.

            Cam’s soft bodycheck in the corner should not have the same value as a Subban open ice check….yet it does.. and that’s why hit stats are not solid indicators.

            In addition, a body check is just one part of physicality. Eller and Darche are not physical players….I’m still laughing at that.

          • TomNickle says:

            You can laugh until you’re blue in the face. You’re out of your element.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The big problem here is we get bogged down in semantics.

      One camp, when they say they like physical hockey, think about toughness from faceoff to whistle, which means bodychecking.

      The other camp uses the words physicality and toughness and grit and other such TSN or HIN Milburyisms to soft-sell and sugar coat what they really want: scrappers. They want fighters and guys who intimidate and facewash and crosscheck. It’s a normal reaction when confronted with the abhorent Bruins lineup, and I can’t say I blame their reaction, because the NHL is veering back to the bad old seventies era of goonism as a strategy, and we most probably will be dealing with WWF referees again this season, instead of NFL-style referees who call the game the same from kickoff to final gun.

      All you guys who say you don’t want just goons, but guys who can play and fight, please remember that every team wants those guys, Mr. Gauthier can’t just go to the fountain and fish them out like pennies. There’s a lot of GM’s who will pay dearly for a UFA like that. More likely, those guys get signed to longterm deals and never hit the market.

      So let’s define our terms please. We do have lots of physical players on our roster, Mr. Darche and Moen and Kostitsyn deliver that. If you say you want more than that, than come out and say you want guys who fight and crosscheck after the whistle and facewash, so that the Bruins and Senators and Leafs don’t do so to our team next year with impunity.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      • TomNickle says:

        The whole debate, argument, pissing match, whatever the hell you want to call it, could not have been put any better than that.

        Thank you for articulating it in a way that I couldn’t.

  52. habaddict_andy says:

    I came back from my vacation from Florida. I was driving from Montreal. On June 27th, we (my family) made a pit stop in Ridgeland South Carolina at KFC for lunch. Guess who was there? Peter Laviolette. Got a picture of him and myself together. I wanted to ask him what he thinks of the trades but didn’t have the guts to do so.

    Also, on my way down I took I-95 through Pennsylvania. Who knew Philadelphia had all of it’s 3 sports infrastructures (Phillies, Eagles and Flyers) in the same area side by side?

    Go! Hockey! Go!

    • Mike D says:

      I think it’s hilarious that Laviolette was eating at KFC.

      – Honestly yours

      • Cardiac says:

        I’m sure he ordered the “Double Down”

        • Mike D says:


          – Honestly yours

          • habaddict_andy says:

            Wasn’t sure at first looking at him who he was. Then his son went beside him wearing Philly shirt and bam, He is Peter Laviolette. Funny thing is I never even remembered his name so I went to him and asked him “your the coach?”. And he said yes. So I asked him if I can take a picture.

            He was there with his wife, 2 sons and the daughter was the youngest. Both sons were wearing Flyers shirt. This was right after the trades.

            He has a Yukon SUV with a Florida license plate. When we left, I had to wait in front of the door in my car for my daughter while she was at a washroom. She took forever and I started to worry if I looked like I was stalking Peter at the front door…LOL And yes I do have the picture of myself with him. He’s not that tall. But I feel my picture is a bit personal to post here.

            Go! Hockey! Go!

  53. b_whalen13 says:

    According to Eric Engles,
    “1) Conveniently, rumors are flying that Scott Gomez and Jaroslav Spacek will be traded at some point. ”
    Don’t know if this guy has any credibility, but if PG do manage to move these two, what do everyone think he well get in return.
    Also, has white signed yet?

  54. JayBee says:

    Now that it looks like we have our team. What grade would you give Gauthier this summer? Yes, anything can happen from now until the start of the season but it looks like PG and company are done for the summer.

    Cole was a good signing. The top 6 is set IMO. I like AK on the 3rd line with Eller. I would have liked to see a bigger pressence signed for the 4th line.

    As far as the D, Wiz and Hammer were let go and Yemelin were brought over. Happy about Yemelin and Diaz sounds promising. Would have liked to see Spacek moved and a top 4 dman signed. Markov being re-signed was a no brainer and there should be more offense and speed from the back end. Still, would have liked to see another solid (good in his own end), tough as nails d-man acquired.

    I personally don’t like the Budaj pick but I’m not going to rag PG too much on acquiring a backup.

    All in all I’ll give him a C+ to a B-… mainly because I would have liked to see a little more activity from him and he didn’t really address our need to be more physical/bigger..especially on the bottom 6.

    • TomNickle says:

      With Moen, White, Darche, Eller and Kostitsyn in the bottom six, why would Gauthier have to acquire more physical players?

      • JayBee says:

        Darche and Eller aren’t really that physical. I’d like a tough, physical SOB who can occasionally drop the gloves. So a 4th line of White-SOB-Moen would be great.

        Another LOL @ Eller being physical.

        • TomNickle says:

          Eller had 85 hits in 77 games. Darche had 73 hits in 59 games. Stats notwithstanding, if you don’t think those guys are physical, you didn’t watch them play for the Canadiens last season.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            I am thinking that he sees them as not exactly being in the Lucic/Thornton mold. It’s all relative.

          • TomNickle says:

            Laughing at the notion of Eller being physical just goes to show limited hockey knowledge can be.

          • harpman says:

            Physical is physical….I agree but I also would like a guy who can drop the gloves when need be and make the opposition think twice about taking liberties…………but I don`t think Habs management wants that kind of player.

          • TomNickle says:

            Ryan White? Travis Moen?

          • kempie says:


          • JayBee says:

            WTF do hit stats have to do with anything? I’m talking about physicality and this dude replies with hit stats as if that means anything.

            …then has the audacity to question my hockey knowledge.

          • TomNickle says:

            Jaybee. You said Eller isn’t physical. I included a stats notwithstanding comment in my reply. If you don’t think Eller is physical. You didn’t watch him play a single game this season, or, you have a dislike for him and see him in a way that suits your dislike.

            Either way. He is a physical hockey player. And you’re wrong.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Little surprised re your assessment Tom. None of the players you mentioned, except White, is what you can call consistently a threat to bang and bruise and otherwise manhandle opponents. Sure AK46 will make a hit or two but we need players who gets their energy on the ice by hitting and being hit while not going crazy.

        We have none and need one or two.

        Kinda thought you were in the camp for more grit both front end and back end but anywhere.

        Re Eller he wont back down from going into the corners but he isnt first and foremost a ‘punisher’.

        We need people who punish their opponent shift in and shift out.

    • Mike D says:

      I think I’d give him a B. Signing Cole showed me that PG recognized what type of player we needed (big, fast, power forward) to increase our scoring. He should also be a great mentor for MaxPac.

      The Budaj signing was a ‘meh’. It’s only a back-up goalie. At first I was hoping they’d re-sign Auld for a bit less money cuz he did such a good job supporting Carey, but Budaj has a rep. for being a great teammate so all’s good there. Maybe our goalie coach can improve Budaj’s play which would be good, especially if Carey ever go injured.

      Re-signing Markov was a no-brainer and he was a great player. Hopefully he can still be a great player.

      My only beef and the reason I’m giving him a B instead of an A is because Cole got a bit too much, and yes I realize everyone got too much on July 1st. The ‘Canes initially offered him 11mil over 3 years and we initially offered 12mil over 3 years. We had to up our offer if we wanted to sign him, but 18mil over 4 years AND a NTC was a bit too much. IMO, the NTC was completely unnecessary, and we *might* have got away with 16mil over 4 years and saved the 0.5mil cap hit.

      Markov’s deal will look like a bargain if he can return to his old form. Initially I was hoping for a 2 year deal for about the same money, or a longer term deal at a lower cap hit (5 years, 4.5mil per year or something along those lines).

      – Honestly yours

    • Marc10 says:

      PG’s done alright. Cole was one of the better fits for us. It’s a big contract, but if we win with the guy… no one will care.

      I like the team. I wish we were tougher, but if the stars align, there’s no reason why this team can’t go far.

      Here’s what I mean by the stars aligning:

      – Markov stays healthy
      – So does Gorges
      – PK takes another step up
      – So does Eller
      – Max Pac returns to his Jan form and kills it
      – DD continues where he left off
      – The cap scores another 29 odd goals
      – Cole gets us 25
      – So does AK46
      – Cams is Playoff Cams
      – Price is money

      – and a certain No11 finally earns about half his salary. Ok I’ll settle for 1/3 at this stage.

  55. mike3131 says:

    Random question:

    Would you trade Weber and one or two 1st – 3rd round picks to the ‘Peg for Byfuglien?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      No. I would trade Webber and maybe a second round pick and Spacek. Wouldn’t give up a 1st for Big Buff though. He isnt’ that good. He is just big

      • JayBee says:

        Why do people keep putting Spacek in trade proposals to acquire good players? Why would a team want Spacek unless they’re giving back a late round pick or a player with a bad contract back?

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Spacek is old and slow and sucked hard last year. This is a hypathetical through in of experience. The question was Webber and picks for Big Buff. No one is going to give up an experienced player like Buff for a rookie and picks. That would leave a huge hole on their D. If you through Spacek in it gives them a year to adjust.

        • Curtoph says:

          Why do people keep putting a second B in Weber? It hasn’t and will never be Webber!

        • toinz says:

          I always laugh when people include salaries they dont want as something other teams will give up something good for. No trade ever works like that ever! Either good stuff goes both ways or crap goes both ways.

          Even When Nashville wanted to dump Lombardi, they had to include a young NHL ready defenceman to do it.

          Even in the Gomez trade, gainey gave up a player he wasn’t signing, a player who is permanently in the KHL, I believe Doug Janik? And a former 1st round pick that he believed wouldn’t pan out to be as good as advertised, for what he thought was an overpaid but serviceable number 1 centre.

          You can use your 20/20 retrospect goggles all you want but in the end Gainey traded a first round pick and spare parts for Gomez and spare parts.

          Gainey needed to get better right away and with no free agents coming back from the year before, Montreal looked like a terrible destination. He gave up something that would become the rangers 5th or 6th D-man two years later, hardly selling the farm. McDonagh may turn out to be a good 2nd pairing D-man but that’s it.

          So if Gomez was worth a potential 2nd pair d-man when he was maybe still good, you’ll be lucky now to trade him for a 7th pick. They’d either need to take bad money back or ship NHL level talent like the preds did to get it done.

          Sorry for the wall of text, but seriously, if we don’t want something, no GM will trade us good players for it.

    • TomNickle says:

      No. Not with the depth that we have on defense in the system.

      If this team is looking to acquire anything it should be one of either….

      a) An elite centreman. Our wings are fine, they match up with most NHL teams in terms of talent and versatility now.

      b) Elite prospects. Guys like Magnus Paajarvi, Nino Niederreiter, Chris Kreider. Just a couple of examples.

      • habstrinifan says:

        I think with our speedy mobile defense BUFF will fit right in and provide the size and intimidation. It will be a great move for the right price.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Too much for him. Weber yes plus maybe a 2nd rounder and possibly a 3rd but not a 1st.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The deal looks good, but then we should just have signed the Wiz. We could have had him for the same cap hit as Byfuglien without giving anything up.

    • avatar_58 says:

      HELL yes

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That looks like a steep price for Mr. Byfuglien, and I saw him destroy the Canucks two years in a row. Random thoughts on him:

      1) He has had problems staying in shape in his young career, and was way overweight as a junior. I would want to make sure this won’t be a problem now that he has a long-term contract.

      2) I didn’t see him playing on D except in highlights, and thought he was verging on Tim Kerr-Clark Gillies territory as a forward, so I would prefer him up front. There is no answer to him as a forward, a huge strong guy with great hands. Unfortunately, he prefers to be on D.

      3) Once Mr. Gomez is off the payroll, the Canadiens will be well positioned to show some salary discipline, to have a scale where the highest earners do so because of seniority, production and loyal service to the team. If Mr. Byfuglien eases off the gas pedal a little, he becomes the guy other players can point to and say: “If he’s worth that much, I want to make at least much + X”.

      4) When they drafted him, the Hawks knew he was talented, out of shape and correspondingly slow, but with great hands and skills. They thought they could whip him into shape and the talent and athleticism would eventually shine through. I would like the Canadiens to launch their own project, where an army of scouts scours the world for a Chara or Byfuglien or Holmstrom, a diamond in the rough who has the innate skill but lacks the support and coaching. Let’s spend a couple of 6 or 7th round picks in the next two or three years on such a project. These guys are going to take three or four years minimum to reach the NHL if they ever do, so let’s try to hit a home run with our late picks.

      5) Big Buff is not necessarily an intimidator, he’s not a fighter. He just has great size and speed and can hit but cannot be knocked off the puck. That’s not a bad thing, but some posters seem to believe he’s a scrapper while he is not.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

  56. TorontoHabsFan says:

    So now that the UFA dust has settled, I think we can all agree that there was no surprise with Richards signing in New York. He’d been rumoured to be going there since last season.

    It got me thinking though – what are the UFA signings (or non-signings) that really surprised? Off the top of my head I can think of 2 non-signings that really shocked me:

    1) Komisarek doesn’t sign with his hometown Islanders – this one seemed like a total no-brainer to me. NYI had the 1st overall pick in the draft (Tavares), an all-star hometown defenceman would have been a marketer’s dream…especially as Wang was then, as now, trying to get a new arena built.

    2) Rick Nash re-signs in Columbus and foregoes his UFA status and a chance to sign with Toronto for buckets of money. Maybe this one is more sour grapes on my part – it’s a crying shame that I don’t get to see Nash play on a regular basis…he’s a beast, and he’s stuck in hockey purgatory for the rest of his life.

    Care to add any to this list?

    • TomNickle says:

      Cammalleri signing here was a surprise.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Yeah, that one surprised me as well. I never thought we’d be in the running for him – he was the premier sniper on the market that year and I had gotten used to being passed over by the big names.

        What a pleasant surprise.

        • joshua94k says:

          When it was apparent that Cammalleri would not sign with the Flames, his agent approached the Leafs first since Cammalleri is from Toronto. Burke said he would need some time to decide (he was concerned the Cammalleri was not a big forward). Gainey then called and Cammalleri jumped at the opportunity to play in the most exciting hockey market at the prime of his career.

          Cammalleri, Gionta, Gill, Moen … not bad for a day’s work.

          “It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            I just thought of something – anyone else remember the rumours that Cammalleri was bad in the dressing room?

            I guess it just goes to show that you shouldn’t put too much stock in the scuttlebutt that floats around the ether…’cause from what I’ve seen of Cammalleri in Montreal, he’s been the consummate professional and teammate.

    • habaddict_andy says:

      Maybe Islanders are smarter than they seem. Komisorry is turning out to be a bust so far IMO.

      Go! Hockey! Go!

    • Cardiac says:

      – Hossa signing long-term with the Hawks after only one season in Detroit.

      – The Leafs giving the rest of the league the Finger ($14 million… I’m still speechless)

      – Any Ranger signing on the past 10 years (Redden, Drury, Gomez, Holik, Richards, etc.)

      – Huet getting paid $5 million by the Hawks to play in Europe.

      To be continued…

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        Hossa was a surprising one too. If I’m not mistaken, his was the first mega-long term contract signed with a team the player hadn’t played for before.

        It always struck me as a little crazy for a player to commit their entire career to a team they know nothing about.

        As for Finger – I continue to believe that Fletcher thought he was making an offer for Kurt Sauer 😀

    • habstrinifan says:

      I was surprised more at some of the ‘trades’ than at the UFA signings.

      Heatley to Wild shocked me. I would have thought that once SJS had made it known that Heatley was available that he would have landed in a location like LA or Dallas or even tORONTO.

      Ottawa’s moves sort of intrigued me. They seemed to have stocked up on physical ‘veterans’ which is odd in a rebuilding period. People like Fisher and Neil etc have not been potentially replaced by ‘developing prospects’ and I dont see them positioning themselves to be ready for any downward slide in play of Anderson and Spezza. And Ottawa’s coaching decision also seemed outside the box but it does seem in keeping with Murray’s tendency to have people he can ‘control’.

      I am not sure what type of team Winnipeg is assembling. It seems that they will have difficulty getting an identity.

  57. HardHabits says:

    Repost from the other thread:

    I made these Goals/Assists projections:

    Cammalleri (25-25-50) – Plekanec (20-45-65) – Cole (25-25-50)
    Pacioretty (25-15-40) – Gomez (10-40-50) – Gionta (30-25-55)
    Kostitsyn (20-30-50) – DD (15-25-40) – Darche (10-10-20)
    Moen (2-3-5) – Engqvist (1-4-5) – White (2-3-5)
    Eller (10-20-30)

    Markov – Subban (30-40-70) combined
    Yemelin – Spacek (15-20-35) combined
    Gill – Gorges (0-15-15) combined
    Weber/Diaz (5-15-20) combined

    For a total of 245 goals for. Entirely realistic. Or am I deluded?

    At any rate, if the Habs can score 245 goals and maintain their PK, PP and goals against there is every indication that they will finish in the top 10 over-all next season.

    Note: These are not line combos or defensive pairings I am suggesting, just what I project to be realistic goals to be attained by Habs players. I put down conservative estimates. In each case you can give or take a few goals and in most cases the players have the potential to exceed my projections.

    At a glance it bodes well for Habs fans because this team has 240-250 goals potential written all over it. Couple that with team defence, Price’s goal tending and top 10 speciality teams and you have a recipe for regular season success.

    • TomNickle says:

      The goal totals for Yemelin and Spacek are pretty high. But Weber and Diaz might be a little low. So at least there’s some balance there. In terms of helpers, I don’t know how you can limit Markov and Subban to fourty combined when Markov will probably have close to fifty on his own with a healthy season. Subban had 24 in a rookie year.

      What I’m saying here is that Markov and Subban……if healthy for the season, will make this team one of the highest scoring teams in the Eastern Conference.

      • HardHabits says:

        I tried to be as conservative as my liberal mind would have me and in some cases under cut what I think is possible. If this is the minimum the Habs look great, if they exceed these numbers they look awesome. It’s merely a bar I am setting for the season. I am going to compare notes at the end to see how close I came in my projections.

        • TomNickle says:

          Allow me to make a suggestion that will glorify your projections. Cole adds at least ten goals to Cammalleri’s total because of the physical presence on that line alone. Cole for puck retrieval, Plekanec with the nice dish, Cammalleri with the finish. Get used to seeing a lot of that.

          Because of this, I think Cole’s goal scoring will suffer a little bit, but I think what he loses out on goals will end up on Cammalleri’s stick.

          • HardHabits says:

            Add to that a full season from a healthy Pacioretty and Gionta’s goals total could go up as well.

            Hopefully this year will be the one where the implementation of JM’s offensive system will be put into place. It was supposed to happen last season but injuries halted that process.

            As self evident as this statement is I will still make it; the Habs need to stay healthy to succeed to their potential.

          • TomNickle says:

            Clearly the goal is for Cole and Pacioretty to work down low, Plekanec and Gomez to operate from the half wall and Gionta and Cammalleri to get chances from the slot. I like it. If these guys stay healthy it’s a big plus. In addition, we now have Desharnais who can be a poor man’s version of Gomez and Plekanec, Kostitsyn and Eller can be poor man’s versions of Cole and Pacioretty.

            The depth is there now. Injuries won’t cripple us like they have in the past. Not at forward anyway. Markov and Subban are obviously the keys to success this season. If they stay healthy, we have the division in my opinion. And we have it going away. If they aren’t healthy, it could be a problem.

    • habs03 says:

      Decent, expect, don’t think A.Kost gets 50 points, playing on the 3rd line and little PP time. Also I think Markov and Subban would combine for 80-90 points atleast.

      • DearyLeary says:

        I wouldn’t be surprised to see Andrei slip onto the power play.

        I agree that Markov and PK could prove to be more effective on the back end. PK potted 14 without Marky on the power play, it’s easy to see those numbers go up.

      • kempie says:

        I actually expect that AK will get more points next year playing on the 3rd line. Less TOI for sure but he’s going to be playing against softer defenders. Don’t forget, he was on the top line, drawing some pretty tough coverage. On the 3rd, he’ll have much more room plus he works well with Eller. Plus… UFA. I expect a big year from him.

    • DearyLeary says:

      I think that I’d spread some of the 15 goals for Spacek and Yemelin to Gill and Gorges. I don’t think Yemelin will have much offensive production in his first year.

      I’d say that your offensive trio numbers are looking pretty on the level.

    • veryhabby says:

      I wouldn’t call you deluded…but I have learnt a long time ago that what makes sense to us fans “on paper”” rarely seems to happen in reality. With Gomez as our 2 line centre I just can’t see a 30 PLUS a 25 goal scorer on either side of him. If that does happen….he’ll have a whole lot more then 50 pt season and we all will be saying he is worth ever cent he makes. REality… you think those words will ever come out of us fans this upcoming season?

      Top line looks ok, number wise if NO injuries.

      the 4th line seems fine too. Don’t know how Eller will score 30 pts if playing on 4th line….he would get those only on a successful 3rd line. AK/Eller/DD may get us 20-10-15 goal per player as listed. That would be awesome/sucessful 3rd line.

      Again it’s that 2nd line. I just can’t see the habs with 6 -20 plus goal guys when all we did was sign one such guy. Especially if Gom is as he has been and Martin keeps shuffling out top wingers all season long.

      • DearyLeary says:

        Gionta potted 29 last year, and Pacioretty was on pace to put in 30 if he had played a full season with the team.

        • TomNickle says:

          And Gionta could have had about ten more if he’d cashed in on half of the gifts that Gomez put on his stick. Not saying Gomez had a good year, but Gionta seems to put shots in that shouldn’t go in but doesn’t seem to bury the cakewalks that Gomez gives him.

    • GenerationYHabs says:

      Did that post make anyone else extremely excited and impatient for the season to start, considering those are consevative numbers?

    • HabFab says:

      HH – interesting and here is my take. We scored 216 goals last season. Cammi and Cole should increase this by 15 over last season (after Pouliot goals deleted). DD, Max and Eller increase total by 5 goals (after Halperns goals deleted and reduced Darche total). The Defense as it stands is a wash but any goals scored by PK over 14 are bonus. So we have a 20-25 increase putting us at around 236-241.
      The trick will be to keep our GA the same at 209. Markov and Gorges are better defensively then Wiz and Sopel but Yemelin will not be as good in his rookie season (if ever) as Hamer. Only time will tell.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      Damn. How can that number (240-250) seem so realistic. Now you have me filled with hopes of a promising season instead of a squeaker to the end. Way to wreck my drinking this summer.

      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

  58. LL says:

    I believe MaxP will be a beast in the future. One day as he is accepting his trophy at the NHL awards (which I will start watching if any Habs are nominated), and he will Thank, yes Thank Zdeno Chara for inspiring him to be the best player he could possibly be thanks to “The Hockey Play”. And we’ll be saying, “Who needs Crosby, Stamkos or anyone else, we got Max!!” 😉

    • DearyLeary says:

      Ambitious. I think Max has the ability to be a fast, dump in retrieving, hard nosed in front of the net 25-30 goal scorer. Which is exactly what this team needs.

      He’s got oodles of athletic ability, just need to see if he can further develop his sense and timing. 35-40 goals isn’t out of the question down the road, but I think it’s a little optimistic.

  59. habstrinifan says:

    Somebody, somewhere, do SOMETHING HABS!

  60. Cardiac says:

    Speaking about prospects, what ever happened to the second coming of Guy Lafleur known as Angelo Esposito? Got traded again over the weekend and has yet to play an NHL game.

    I remember when everyone was crying when the Habs drafted Ryan McDonagh instead of him and had to settle for Max Pacioretty a couple of picks later…

    *EDIT* That year was actually good to the Habs. They also picked up Subban and Weber. Also, Eller was drafted right after McDonagh.

    • HardHabits says:

      You’re memory dwells in the land of make believe.

      • Cardiac says:

        You mean to tell me the media WASN’T all over the organization for drafting an American defenseman over a hometown boy who, at the time, had great hands and was that elusive first-line center the Habs do desperate needed?

        • HardHabits says:

          Maybe you can point to or cite those articles as examples. Whoever those people are they aren’t everyone.

          You statement is guilty of using hyperbole.

          • there were comments by some pundits i recall but no outrage really…

          • davelecave says:

            There wasn’t widespread outrage, but the topic definitely came up.

            And I think by everyone he means L’Antichambre.

          • Cardiac says:

            Dave Stubbs said the same thing a couple of months after he was drafted:

            Who you gonna believe?

            P.S. Would editing my previous post by changing “everyone” to “some” or “most” provide you with enough self-gratification of being right?

          • HardHabits says:

            Hey Cardiac, don’t have a heart attack. 😉

            It’s all in jest and good times.

            Feel free to take the piss out me any time you like. I’ll probably deserve it soon so be my guest.

            If you can make people laugh you’re on to something.

          • Cardiac says:

            If you’ve seen my other posts here, you’ll know that I don’t take too many things seriously and make light of situations.

            And thanks for the health tip 😉

    • habstrinifan says:

      Dont recall a hue and cry re not drafting Espositio.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I remember a lot of trepidation over Mr. Esposito. The talent was easy to see, but quite a few reporters would indirectly allude to a lack of consistency and effort. His failure to make the World Junior team spoke volumes. Some muckrakers might have made a fuss to drive ratings, but all reasonable and respected reporters kind of agreed with the decision, saying if he had fallen to the second round then maybe you take a flyer on the kid.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    • ed lopaz says:

      maybe you should do about 30 seconds of research on the internet, and you would find out that he has had 2 serious knee injuries.

      Esposito was outstanding with the Canadian junior team, and then he was injured only a few games back with the Montreal Juniors.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Tremblant Habs Fan says:

      I recall the french media being more upset that they didn’t pick David Perron at Max’s spot.

  61. HabinBurlington says:

    After yesterdays Stamkos rumour, thankfully Eklund today has debunked the theory that Stamkos has asked for a trade. So nice to know that an authoritative figure in hockey like Eklund is around to keep all rumours in check.

  62. HabinBurlington says:

    Was trying to figure out the Bulldogs roster this upcoming year and nowhere did I see mention of crowd favourite and tough man Jimmy Bonneau. He did play in 15 or 16 playoff games for the Dawg’s last year, does anyone know if he is still with organization. Just to keep that dream alive of being called up for 1 game against the Bruins this year, lol.

  63. Viruk42 says:

    I feel that HF article is mostly junk. It’s supposed to be a review of the Habs draft, but they only make comments on the players past (most of which anyone on this board could make – so and so had 20 points in 30 games. So and so is a decent sized defenseman) and don’t make any predictions for their future – sort of weird since the website is Hockey’s Future.

    Normally a draft review says something like: “Habs did well to get ___, poorly to skip over ___, and maybe should have had more players who play ____ (position).” This one just lists the players, says a little bit of relatively common knowledge about them, and then ends. No summary of how they did, no talk about player potential.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      If we compare with an NFL draft review, I agree that the information is much more circumspect. After an NFL draft, you can expect tonnes of analysis as to which teams were winners and losers, which teams addressed pressing needs, which one had the ‘steal’ of the draft, etc.

      It’s really hard to do the same with an NHL draft because the players are 18, and have so far to go to reach that level. They are not even finished growing, they have so much physical and skill development to go through that after you get past the obvious sure things at the very top, everything becomes a crap shoot.

      It is instructive to look at the picture Hockey’s Future used for Mr. Beaulieu. It was not taken at the NHL draft, I suspect it was taken a year or two ago, and it demonstrates how much he has grown and filled out, and is still in the process of turning into a man.

      I take the review as a source of information on the background of the players, which is all they can really provide. Who will turn into what kind of NHL player? That’s our job to debate here at HIO.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

    • SmartDog says:

      I agree. There’s no real opinion, not much analysis.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Do you really mean to say that seeing Yemelin listed as 29th among the secondary Others list does not impress you?

  64. SmartDog says:

    Trisdan, on the last thread, brought up the point that even if it’s summer, there’s a lot more the HIO writers could do to give stories about OUR TEAM. I won’t repeat what he said (it was harsh) but I agree with the main message was that we’d rather hear more about OUR team than hear anything more about the Bruins, or Toronto or SK, or…

    And I added this: “It doesn’t take a genius to come up with easy things to write about that the HIO gang would love to know.”

    And then put down SOME ARTICLE IDEAS…

    1. Which guys train where?
    2. How’s Gomez doing on his summer training – for his REVIVAL? (I’d LOVE to read about that!)
    3. What’s Josh Gorges up to while he waits for his arbitration date?
    4. What’s our Captain, Brian Gionta up to… how does he feel about his first year as Captain? What did he learn?
    5. What’s the Subban family doing these days – do PK and his brothers spend much time together in summers?
    6. How has Hamilton changed for this year?
    7. What’s the word on the job search to replace Kirk Muller?
    8. How many NHL teams don’t have a defensive coach? How many don’t have a goalie coach (I heard the Avs don’t).
    9. Who are the new players in Hamilton? What can we expect?
    10. How’s Maxpac doing? What are his thoughts about hockey, headshots, the coming year?
    11. A serious analysis of our UFA period to date would be interesting.
    12. A review of the last five years in trades would also be interesting… it would be great to see what an “unbiased” eye would say about our trades to date.
    13. What teams are still looking for bodies and what kind of players?
    14. Who are PG’s likely dance partners?
    15. How about an article on how teams use different stats (+/-, takeaways, etc.) to evaluate players? Is +/- as important as some think or as useless as others think?


    • G-Man says:

      All interesting, but what you propose is is preseason material, probably to be done so we can read about it in August and September.
      #12 is your usual negativity. You use the word “unbiased” as a code word to bash PG and JM incessantly.
      #13 is pretty much handled by TSN by McKenzie
      and # 14 is only speculation so that wouldn’t be an article it would be a commentary.
      #15- Useless info for sure- puck control changes between teams almost 400 times per game.

      • SmartDog says:

        Try not to read people’s thoughts. You’re not good at it.

        I wrote “unbiased” only because some people here have argued that our trades overall are okay. I’d like a more professional evaluation than you and me.

        And I’d be happy to read about any of this stuff NOW. Or would you rather read about the Sabres prospect? About SK? About someone wanting to buy the Blues?

        • HabinBurlington says:

          While I want the extra “habs” input, i don’t mind them sticking these links in about the rest of the league. But for every other link regarding other teams, a story here and there about our team would be nice.

        • RGM says:

          Come on, man. I like Boone but “professional evaluation”? LOL I kid, I kid!

          During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

          • Mike Boone says:

            Yeah, I agree. “Professional evaluation”? C’mon, man!

            Mike Boone
            Hockey Inside/Out blogger
            Gazette City columnist

          • RGM says:

            I will say that I definitely do miss the humour and good vibes that come from “About Last Night” when it follows a Habs win. You’re not an Als or Jays fan are you? Give us something to read during the dog days of summer, perhaps?

            During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

        • G-Man says:

          How can anyone evaluate trades until careers are concluded? (Unless they are as lop-sided as the Kordic for Courtnall trade)
          Everyone is very biased, me included. Objective commentary no longer exists, especially in this day and age of propaganda fed to us by multinational corporations and the people they hire to deliver the news/sports.
          Hockey news is slower in summer, save for signings and trades, and many players are not available for interviews. After a season and playoffs in Montreal where everything a player says and does is analyzed to the nth degree, I sure wouldn’t be available.

          As they say: Chill out! It’s summer. Take a walk. Read a book. Watch a movie. Hang around on HIO all day….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      SD whether we all agree with your specific points doesn’t matter. But I think you have expounded well on Trisdan’s initial comment that we as Hab Fanatics would prefer reading anything we could about different things in the off-season.

      How is Carey Price doing on the rodeo circuit? Or is he allowed to still take part given risk of injury. Do he and Josh work out at all together in B.C.?

      Good of you to take the time to come up with your list.

    • toinz says:

      I work as a reporter and I don’t envy the job of a sports reporter, because they are forced to be homers in order to maintain their access.

      People like Mackenzie and Dreger cannot call out the league over something like concussions or the Chara hit because if they do, they lose league sources who break trades to them.

      Similarly any reporter who goes after the habs organization might not lose access to the locker room, but might lose the big story.

      • SmartDog says:

        Good point. And I realize this (I was a journalist too for a couple of years).

        But only 1 or 2 of those article ideas could get anyone in trouble. Most are very team… a feel-good story about PK and his brothers? …a story about Gomez getting ready for the season? …or Gionta? etc. I mean, to a HABS fan, these don’t need to be critical analyses to be INTERESTING. Just let us know what’s going on with our guys.

    • Propwash says:

      Don’t they sell magazines that cover a bunch of that?

      • SmartDog says:

        Great point. But magazines are dying precisely because this stuff is actually much easier to cover (and covered better) by online and social media.

        With all respect to the good work that our HIO writers do (writing and posting articles), they’re still learning to do this social media thing. How often do these reporters run into the players they write about? Ever see a 20-second video just off the cuff of one of our players who a reporter ran into? The website does some fun (at least) features… I’m sure that the Habs PR team would allow access to most of the guys for a feel-good story of what they’re up to. Easy to put together with a couple of snapshots and emails. This stuff doesn’t all need to be so complicated… that’s social media.

    • Habs_4_ever says:

      You don’t care that Zack Kassian impresses at Sabres camp, or that Hulsizer wants to buy Blues. LOL

      Absolutely everything Very little about the Montreal Canadiens.”

  65. RetroMikey says:

    Brent Bilodeau, Lindsay Vallis, David Wilkie, Matt Higgins, Eric Chouinard, Mike Komisarek, Ryan McDonagh, David Fischer, Kyle Chipchura, Ron Hainsey, Jason Ward, Chris Higgins, Terry Ryan, Brad Brown, etc…..
    All former 1st round picks who the Habs management liked and quoted as “solid prospects” as well.
    Leblanc, Tinordi and Beaulieu as “solid prospects” by as well?
    Hmmm, stay tuned.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

    • toinz says:

      First of all, listing only the ones that didn’t work out is disingenuous and only weakens your argument.

      Second, if you actually did them all and include Koivu, Price, AK46, you could have accurately argued the draft can be a crapshoot.

      Also, in your attempt to bash the team you purportedly support, you listed 2 players who make more than 4mil/year and Chris Higgins who had multiple 20 goal seasons, which can be argued did pan out because not all solid prospects score 50 goals a season.

      • RGM says:

        Would you honestly expect better than a disingenuous argument from him?

        During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

          • RGM says:

            Hey HalifaxHabs, are you going to be at Metallica on Thursday?

            During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

          • HalifaxHabs says:

            wow Shiloh, you got me there, that really hurt. I sure hope you don’t go around “-1″ing all my posts.

            Naw RGM, I gotta work early Friday, but they’ve sold tons of tickets and it’s supposed to be a really crazy show on tap(I say this in case you are going)

            Edit – RGM, I just checked out your open letter to CBC on your blog, nice work! CBC is such a joke.

          • RGM says:

            Definitely going to be there! It’s been 7 years since I last got to see them live so I’m really looking forward to the new material and the switched-up setlist. Going to be an awesome day on the Hill!

            Many thanks for the nice words – it clearly hasn’t effected the change I’d hoped to inspire, but it felt good to get it out of the system.

            During the long summer, we all get to be pretend GM.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Retro, undoubtedly we have seen some high picks and good prospects go on elsewhere. What would really be the best comparison is if we looked at some key rivals, analyze the same years involved and see how many they have lost. I am not saying this to bash your point, but rather to confirm or deny whether or not we are above/below or equal to what other organizations have experienced.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Completely agree. While that foul list, which could have benefited from the inclusion of Alfie Turcotte (my favourite Canadiens bust) and Alain Heroux, put me off my breakfast, the first thought that sprang to my mind was: “I wonder how we compare statistically to other teams in this department”. The names Hugh Jessiman, Rocky Trottier and Ryan Sittler were not far behind.

        So how about it RetroMikey? Feel like crunching some numbers for us and reporting back?

        Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

        • HabinBurlington says:

          LOVED Alfie, really thought he was going to be something, been a while since I heard that name. Weren’t him and Jose Charbonneau going to be great players for us!

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I know this is a useless exercise, but I can’t help myself, so I went back and looked at his draft class.


            Alfie was listed as being 5’9″ and 170 lbs, although he showed up to his first training camp overweight, with the explanation that he thought he needed to get bigger for the NHL. He had lit it up in the WHL for 127 points the previous season.

            We had spent the period ramping up to the draft dreaming of Pat Lafontaine and Sylvain Turgeon who had torn up the LHJMQ. Mario Lemieux was going to have to wait, having another year to go before being eligible for the draft. While we knew Mr. Lafontaine and Mr. Turgeon wouldn’t last until our pick, we secretly hoped that Normand Lacombe, a kid who played American college hockey and of whom we knew nothing else except he was big, might fall to us.

            It wasn’t to be. The next day I tore open La Presse and found out we had drafted Alfie Turcotte. Alfie. Turcotte. I mouthed the words to myself, in French, and then with my nascent English skills, tried it in English, rounding off the ‘r’ and lengthening the ‘o’. In either language, it didn’t inspire confidence. I imagined Rene Lecavalier making the call: “Natress, a Ludwig, passe a Lafleur, a Alfie….” and it just screeched to a halt. I knew it was superficial but I couldn’t imagine cheering for a player named Alfie Turcotte.

            Poor Alfie never made it big, he barely hung on, apparently always small and soft and in poor shape. I sometimes wondered if my lack of faith had caused his downfall, kind of like when the game is on and I glance down at my book and the Canadiens get scored on: if I had been alert, they wouldn’t have scored that goal.

            Jose was another matter entirely. Even though we knew better, Jose kind of sounds like a girl’s name to a French-Canadian kid. He never had a chance…

            At least that draft wasn’t a bust, since we picked up Claude Lemieux and Sergio Momesso in the second round, and I felt lucky to have them, those two were like men among boys that last year in junior. Sergio always had that three day stubble, and he scared me even way up in the stands. Add John Kordic in the fourth, and all in all it was a good draft.

            The one that got away that year was Rick Tocchet, who lasted until the 6th round. Imagine him in the lineup with Momesso and Lemieux and Mike McPhee, Shayne Corson, Dave Maley, that’s some serious size and talent.

            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill


          • HardHabits says:

            You’re deluded to think that the Habs get scored upon because you glanced down at your book. The ebb and tide of a Habs game is directly related to what I am playing on my guitar at the time.

            The audacity!

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Great trip down memory lane there, Yah Maley was interesting. Enjoyed reading your story. Good days indeed. It was my Grade 12 year we won that 86 cup and I got to stick it in all the Bruins/Leafs and Oiler fans ears (yah in Wpg. there was a pile of bandwagon gretzky fans). Told my parents no grad gift required, my habs took care of that. I signed every other kids yearbook with Habs information, Oh did I enjoy that!

        • RetroMikey says:

          I don’t give a squat about other numbers from other team.
          Just our Habs.
          It appears every time we draft a first rounder the media and our team makes a big media propaganda stink about our pick and how it is “solid” or a “can’t miss” prospect and out come producing the UD hockey cards. etc… which command a premium more than other RC’s from other teams.
          Not a statistician, but it appears our team has to be at the bottom of the bucket when sellecting first rounders who have had a success in the NHL.
          Any statisticians or net nannys out there who can post results from the 1980 draft to the present?

          “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            If you don’t give a squat about “other” numbers, then just admit to yourself and the rest of us that you do not seek enlightenment, but prefer to bitch in the dark.

            Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill


    • DearyLeary says:

      Name a team that’s drafted better over the last 10 years and we’ll compare first round picks.

    • Norm0770 says:

      At least the list doesn’t include Angelo Espisito…

      McDonagh, Komisarek, Hainsey and Chris Higgins are all in regular NHL jobs. Hardly busts.

  66. topher5468 says:

    I wonder how long until I can see my comments, I hope before the season starts. this sucks

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  67. topher5468 says:

    I wonder how long until I can see my comments, I hope before the season starts

    “It’s not an obsession, It’s a way of life..”

  68. toinz says:

    That’s great! In a couple of years we will be throwing his name around in a futile attempt to make a big trade for a superstar.

    John Tavares is RFA next year right? Sigh…

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The difference with John Tavares is that he’ll likely want to get the heck out of Dodge, and would gladly sign an offer sheet. Mr. Stamkos is in heaven comparatively, with now stable ownership and management in Tampa and a strong cast of teammates.

      Let’s do something like this again: 1) Mike Cammalleri 2) Brian Gionta 3) Hall Gill

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree that Tavares is probably going to want out. Even if that team starts to play better hockey with all the young players they have. This guy is used to playing for well run Jr. teams, Team Canada at world jr’s, and most importantly in good hockey markets.

        The ownership of NYI is a convaluted mess at best. The arena is a mess, and their attendance is not good. They are 2nd/3rd fiddle to NYR and New Jersey. I am sure Tavares can’t wait to have some control on his future.

        As for Stamkos, I guess we won’t konw until he is signed, but between Tampa’s potential cap issue and the fact he hasn’t signed one does start to wonder if he really is in heaven

    • 24moreCups says:

      I would love to have Tavars on the Habs, plus him and Subby were really good friends.

  69. HalifaxHabs says:

    I second those well wishes for Frankie the Bull.

  70. avatar_58 says:

    I wish we had Frankie over Spacek….

  71. ed lopaz says:

    if you have never seen him criticized here its because you missed a few posts when he left!!

    I was very upset that he left – he was tough as nails, a real gamer, and as I like to say, “teams win when they have guys like Bouillon in the lineup”

    he could skate very, very well, and for a guy listed at 5,8, he was always over 200 lbs and he used it.

    he was very interested in staying a Hab – I know people who are his personal friends.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  72. HalifaxHabs says:


  73. habs03 says:

    I’m not a fan of Spacek, but he gets a lot of hate for a guy who has been +18 in two season as a Hab.

  74. HalifaxHabs says:

    I didn’t even mean to cast that as a hating Spacek issue… but more simply who would I rather between the two of them. (if Frankie B was healthy)

  75. avatar_58 says:

    I don’t hate him, doesn’t change what I said.

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