Ho-hum, another practice

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The Canadiens continue their weird early-season period of inactivity.
One more sleep and the team returns to action, Friday night at Scotiabank Place.

And in a place where they’re actually playing hockey, the Leafs keep rolling and Martin Brodeur looks old.

Pat Hickey on Max-Pac’s diet

Red Fisher on bogus injury reports

Mike Boone on the effective fourth line

Hickey on a U.S. Thanksgiving “classic”

Yvon Pedneault on Canadiens’ progress toward top tier

Bert Raymond weighs in

J.T. on who will sit

Cam Cole on realignment

115 Comments

  1. Marc10 says:

    I think Yemmy the Tank will eventually get in the lineup. He’s an obvious piece to the puzzle, but I suspect he’s not playing because, among other things, he simply not as fit and game shape ready as our Swiss friends. I would imagine that hurts him at practice and prevents him from making the case. That and we’re winning now.

    Injuries will allow him to show why he’s been brought over soon enough. By Jan I would expect him to play with Markov on a regular shift.

    This guy is a Russian National Team player. He will eventually crack our top 6. No need to panic just yet.

  2. Chorske says:

    What is with Red’s awkward phrasing in his article about team communication? He normally writes more naturally. What is with all the “Bowman was told…” nonsense? Why not write “I told Bowman…”?

  3. The Pickle says:

    Bugs, he has been the 3rd best performer at the task of accruing points, how’s that?

  4. Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems to me the defensive logjam is not all that complicated to sort out. Diaz and Emelin can swap in and out for each other right now, depending on how physical or defensive their opponent is.

    When Markov comes back, Diaz heads to Hamilton, where he expected to be anyway. Emelin now swaps in and out with Weber, or even P.K. if his game doesn’t improve.

    By the time Campoli comes back, knowing this team, someone else will be injured, and we can cross that bridge when we come to it.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • sampson12 says:

      I’m not so sure I’d put Diaz below Emelin on the depth chart. But I see where you’re coming from. If we send Diaz down he’d be on a top pairing and likely thrive in Hamilton until he is called upon again, whereas Emelin could react to a demotion to Hamilton by heading back to Russia to never be seen in NA again. But depth at defence is not a bad problem to have as long as it doesn’t hinder a young player’s development.

      • Yup, that’s my thinking. I’d say they’re roughly on par on the depth chart, but I’d make the decision based on the short-term and long-term good of the team. Short term, if you add Markov and Emelin and subtract Diaz, the team is better defensively and better offensively too. Long-term, you keep all your assets and ensure that all your young players have a chance to improve and gain experience. And Diaz wouldn’t be down there forever — just until the next injury or trade.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  5. habs178 says:

    So way off topic….got a BB yesterday to replace my iPhone and I can’t have this app on it….u boys need to fix that

  6. pg says:

    Just read Cam Cole on realignment, and his support of John Shannon’s NHL 3.0.

    I just can’t see the Habs in a division named after a Bruin – even if it is Bobby Orr.

  7. The Pickle says:

    Andrew, before I came to this site and hearing almost exclusively the opinions of french speaking Habs fans, I thought it was worse. Here there are actually people who appreciate him, which shocked me since for so long all I’ve heard is unfounded bashing and, as you put it so well, irrational hatred.

  8. With all the complaining today you’d think we’d lost the last 3 games. If there’s one thing about Habs fandom I consistently don’t get, it’s the irrational hatred of Andrei Kostitsyn.

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    • krob1000 says:

      But there has been no hockey for days…. we must grumble. Andrei does not deserve the hate he gets

    • punkster says:

      I stepped over that line earlier last year but as the season progressed I spent time more watching him. He’s a beast, opponents bounce off him, he possesses a powerful shot and explosive speed and rarely makes the big mistake. Yes, he can be streaky and even appear lethargic at times. He’s a strong 3rd line winger who can fill in on the first two lines when required. What’s not to like?

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • habbernack says:

      Absolutely true. the guy is always one of our top scorers yet he’s always on the top of the trade list. Also there’s a lot of posters that DD should be traded because he has two big wingers. He makes good use of those wingers by getting them the puck. Isn’t that the job of a center.

      ability is what you’re capable of doing.
      attitude determines how you do it

    • Totally agree. Another mystery is why Subban gets a free pass from the fanbase no matter how badly he screws up. He’s a good player, and one who should be supported so he can become a great player, but guys like AK and Spacek get way more hate per lousy shift than Subban does.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Andrew, you characterizing critiques of Mr. Kostitsyn’s performance as irrational hatred is of itself irrational. Nobody here is homicidal or unbalanced about Andrei. Some appreciate him for being a strong, physical winger who can pot 25 goals. Others, including me, think he could provide so much more, and he sometimes takes a shift, period, game, or week off. I personally think he’s also not a very smart or creative player, and when he tries to handle the puck or has to play defence he gets confused. No hate, just hope that he continues on this streak with his linemates, and that we can trade him at the deadline for assets instead of losing him at free agency.

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      • habbernack says:

        I don’t think youy’ve seen too many games. He’s one of the top hitters on the team, makes some really good passes and what is ” the so much more” If you haven’t seen all the games on RDS your judgement is uninformed

        ability is what you’re capable of doing.
        attitude determines how you do it

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Your statement that my judgment is uninformed is uninformed. Click on the link to my poor attempt at a blog and you’ll find my take on every game the Canadiens have played this year, including pre-season.

          The so much more that I want from Andrei is fire and passion, and to drive to the net wanting to score goals. He has the tools to score forty or more, but he doesn’t have the mental aptitude for it. I want him to be hungry for the puck, including in the defensive zone when he doesn’t have it. Mike Cammalleri is chided for being poor defensively, and he’s not the best on the team at it, but at least you see him fighting for the puck so he can take off the opposite way and score.

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          • habbernack says:

            How about a game by game analysis of Gill or gionta. You’re on a mission with AK just like JM was with OB, SK, and Lapierre. For all his defensive deficiencys he’s +1 and 3rd on the team in scoring.Cammi was a 40 goal scorer with LA and calgary before he got here. Is it him or The System.

            ability is what you’re capable of doing.
            attitude determines how you do it

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Here’s my post from Game 9:

          Which brings us to Mr. Kostitsyn, who once again went on one of his aimless skates with the puck. Lucky for me, Ray Ferraro on the TSN broadcast caught it too, and commented on it on a lengthy replay. To see him wheel around the net and carry the puck back toward the blue line, where he coughed it up, made my blood pressure rise. I hope that the coaching staff, however its responsibilities are reallocated, takes responsibility for le frère Andrei. Apparently simply watching Mr. Cole and Mr. Pacioretty isn’t enough of a clear example for him to follow, he needs to be sat down and watch video of his low-IQ plays, as compared to some of Rick Tocchet’s and Kevin Stevens’ greatest hits.

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          From Game 7:

          I hate to be uncharitable, but Andrei Kostitsyn drew my eye again, demonstrating his wizardly skill and low hockey IQ in the same game; he is our resident idiot-savant, this generation’s Gaston Gingras. He scored on a laser in the second, but also on three occasions that I saw gave away the puck when he had clear, unchallenged possession. Once on the powerplay in the opposing zone, and once while cruising inside the opposition blue line, he showed indecision and lack of hunger and the puck floated off his stick right to an opponent. Best case scenario is for him to score twenty before the trade deadline and we unload him to a contender for a first-round pick.

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          From Game 1:

          My eye was drawn to Andrei Kostitsyn during the game, and I was rarely impressed. I don’t know if I’m developing an unhealthy obsession with him, but every time I saw him he’d be circling aimlessly in the offensive zone. On his give and go with Tomas Plekanec in the first period, he floated too long before realizing he should charge the net, and got there too late to pot a fat easy rebound. Maybe the coaches saw the same thing I did, and maybe the experiment didn’t last even a whole game, but Erik Cole found himself on the top line in the third period.

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          From Pre-Season Game 7:

          Mr. Kostitsyn was abysmal tonight, noticed only for his many faults and failings. The sequence which was highlighted on TSN, during which he carried the puck over the blue line in the Tampa zone, coasted and then feebly tried a one-handed pass through the skates of a Lighting defender, was a headscratchingly awful decision. We often talk of players with high ‘hockey IQ’ or hockey sense. We should admit to each other that Andrei has low hockey sense, kind of like Gaston Gingras and Mark Napier and Gilbert Delorme had, lots of physical tools dulled by a marshmallow mind. It doesn’t help that he often chooses the easy play, in this case the low-percentage pass, instead of the demanding play, which in this case would have been to try to sweep around the defender or to chip the puck in the corner and outskate him. I wrote after the third pre-season game against the Senators, during which Mr. Cole and Mr. Pacioretty shined, that their example might inspire him. That may still be true, since in this case Mr. Cole and Pacioretty didn’t set the world on fire, and Mr. Kostitsyn was even more sedate.

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        • Un Canadien errant says:

          From a post after three pre-season games:

          I now wonder if the showing by Mr. Cole and Mr. Pacioretty can inspire Andrei Kostitsyn to perform at a level close to where his physical abilities would seem to allow. We saw an offensive outburst by him after the Cole goal against the Stars. Andrei seems to need external sources of motivation, it might serve him well to see Max and Erik claim the puck and take it to the net with authority. To see them being successful playing the ‘power forward’ game and receiving the adulation of the New Forum crowds, or simply to observe their hard work and skating shift after shift might make the penny drop for Mr. Kostitsyn. It might be a nice unanticipated consequence that these three talented wingers compete with each other in a friendly rivalry for icetime and bragging rights.

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  9. The Pickle says:

    I love how AK’s mistakes are the only ones people focus on. Every single guy on the team makes mistakes. AK’s mistakes are maybe he’ll hang on to the puck a little too long trying to make something happen and turn it over in the other team’s zone. Big whoop, as mistakes go that’s pretty minor and is far outweighed by the insane passes this guy makes. Put him on LA with Kopitar and he would absolutely rip up the league. Skill guys always look like floaters when their linemates can’t get them the puck…

    • dorvalhabsfan says:

      I ahve been defending the man 2 years now i am happy to see some people are starting to see the light in disregard of Boones(who is a big voice of the habs) dislike for him.. Go Habs Go

      • HabCez says:

        and from memory he has not yet cost us a game..
        Eller Moen benefit from AK
        so did DD and Pac

        he even produced a bit last yr when he was with Gomez.. and that has a lot to say..

  10. krob1000 says:

    Our D is all about the intangibles and there are very tough decisions ahead that will affect us for years….perhaps Gauthiers greatest test actually. we all know that we lack a physical Dman that strikes some fear in guys in front of
    our net……we have a logjam at D but none of the 9 dmen we have really fit this bill….Emelin perhaps being the closest but not really.
    We have Markov and Subban who are of the same ilk. We have Gill who is very one dimensional. We have Gorges and Emelin who are esssentially the same player as well. We have Spacek who is like Hammer used to be…best utilized in a limited role but veteran who can fill in admirably if not expected to carry heavy load for too long. We have Diaz and Weber who are pretty well the same player as well. Then there is Campoli who is somewhere betweem Weber/Diaz and Spacek.

    Then there are the intangibles…Spatch is the vet and calming presence. Gill and Gorges are leaders and warriors but both are also mostly one dimensional (although Gorges can skate). Gorges and Gill will both drop em if need be but neither strikes fear in anyone.There will always be the threat of Markov injury lingering as well so Weber or Diaz likely has to stay for their offensive ability.

    Next year we have Gill, Spatch, Gorges and Campoli all as UFA’s. IF Emelin can be kept happy and earns his keep this season…he likely gets a spot next year…but he may be attractive tradebait..that is if he were played.

    With Gomez also in the mix as someone who doesn’t appear to have a role moving forward beyond this season there is the potential for some real blockbuster moves as the season progresses. I still firmly believe he is movable at deadline if need be and definitely at seasons end. I think if he played in a lesser market he might fare better as well….New York and Montreal are too much for him or so it has appeared.

    I don’t really know which way I would go on the D picture myself to be honest. I think I would lean toward letting Gill walk at seasons end or sooner and/or platooning him in and out of the lineup. Campoli may never see action as a Hab unless injuries arise. Is it possible that this team makes an absolute blockbuster and moves PK? It would take a Shea Weber. Could we move Gorges? one would think not given some want him to be a captain in the not so distant future. Gill? can we afford to right now with no physicality on the back end? Spacek? can we really move the guy who has been our most consistent d thus far. Weber? is that short sighted? Diaz or Emelibn?we just brought them over and both look capable and cap friendly moving forward is it wise to part with these guys?

    Strange dilemma it is having an abundance of players at d but still having a very pressing need IMO to have a fiery presence back there. Could the problem be offset by acquiring a tougher guy for the 4th line? Is our 4th line actually good enough…I almost think so and I like the depth we have up front…we also have Ryan White to add to the fold which brings some energy and grit……

    Gonna be interesting and very pivotal as I believe we have before us a 2 year window (3 if we get it together and salvage this season) where I believe we are a contender…..what we do with the D is going to make or break this team going forward I believe. Tinordi will possibly be an answer in 2-3 years but in the meantime…we need a tough dman….but we also have a bunch of guys that noone really wants to give up…..tough call PG…tough call…..best of luck…dilemmas like this are what separates the men from the boys as GM’s and let’s hope we pass the test with flying colours.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Campoli isn’t part of the equation. He was a stop gap measure which made sense at the time. He’s eating up cap space but will only play for this team if we have an injury crisis during the last half of the season. Someone will pick him up for a low level pick at the trade deadline. If it looks like we can make a decent run, then we can keep Campoli as insurance and go with 8 Dmen on the roster (with Diaz going to Hamilton)

      We only need one of Weber and Diaz. Right now Weber seems to have the edge.

      Mr. Gauthier has to take Martin aside and tell him to start rotating some of his bottom half defensmen. Gill and Spacek shouldn’t return next season so we can’t lose two good prospects because of Martin’s stubbornness. Emelin needs to get some ice time, plain and simple.

      The real dilemma here is that the team is always in a life and death struggle to get points so they can finish 8th on the last week of the schedule. That really affects decisions about player personnel and their icetime.

      If everyone is healthy, then we can do the following: move Campoli, send Diaz to Hamilton and rotate Gill/Spacek/Emelin.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        I’d agree with this.

        Considering we also shouldn’t over-work Spacek and Gill, it makes sense to have a rotation going.

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      • krob1000 says:

        That is exactly how I see everything too but there is still that lingering need….we don’t have a brusier dman. We need a dman with a Pronger, Chara, Weber, Souray, Bieksa, Jovanovski like sense of when to get nasty…..I would settle for replacing Gorges moving forward next season or the one after with a tougher version of himself…..but I do believe we have a glaring need moving forward for a tough dman..preferrably a skilled one but if not then maybe someone has to go. I just find us to be in a weird situation with so many guys but still having a pressing need ..or so I see it.

      • ed lopaz says:

        it seems to me that Martin is ALWAYS 1 step behind the curve.

        he is just plain and simple a “stubborn” old man.

        at every turn, Eller, Subban, Max Pac, Price, and now this year Cole and Emelin,

        I believe that Martin has been weeks and sometimes months behind what has been posted on this site.

        (nothing which contradicts Martin’s moves is ever printed in The Gazette)

        I agree 100% with 24 cups.

        Why do we have to suggest reasonable hockey moves to a man with 30 years of coaching experience?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        24 Cups, you’re quite right about how we demand that Jacques Martin win games, but also that he play the youngsters. If he obeys the “Win!” edict, he can’t be faulted for playing what he thinks is his absolute best roster. If on the other hand he invests icetime in our youngsters to the detriment of his veterans, then we can’t hold him responsible for losses.

        I say play the youngsters, even at the cost of a few losses.

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  11. HabinBurlington says:

    Not sure if this article has been posted before, but interesting discussion on concussions with some interesting dialouge involving Brian Burke. Intriguing that Burke likes to compare his Grade 10 football experiences with that of today’s NHL players and the concussions they experience. That does not cut the mustard test to me. Playing a physical game like hockey at the NHL level with 82 games a year is completely different than his experiences. This cowboy attitude of “We all know the risks playing a contact sport” to me seems wrong.

    I don’t believe when kids start playing sports like Football and hockey that anyone sits down with them and explains the risks. Kids play because they enjoy the sport and yes enjoy the physicality to varying degrees depending on the player. But I don’t think many kids even at the NHL level actually think they are going to be hurt. Many feel it is somebody else that will get hurt.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Brian-Burke-8217-s-candid-skepticism-on-concuss?urn=nhl-wp16469

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  13. HabinBurlington says:

    Perhaps to help fill the itme void until the next habs game, HIO could run a pool for us predicting the following events:
    First Game Action for Markov
    First Goal for Gomez

    • JoeC says:

      First game for Markov, hmm first game we have in december im too lazy to look up the date.

      First goal by Gomez? First game in december also, but on the Bulldogs…

    • krob1000 says:

      Why did Gomer cross the blueline?
      To get to the other side stupid…seriously that is it! He just wanted to cross the blueline…from there it realy isn’t his problem anymore is it?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Simple and logical explanation of his style of play.

        • krob1000 says:

          Not so fast…now it has me wondering….we must figure out which came first… the Chicken style? or the 0 goal egg he has laid for the last 50 ish games?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I am in the minority, but still am hopeful Gomez will contribute to this team. But anytime you can include a good “why did the chicken cross the road” joke, that is a good thing.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Gomez will fail to backcheck and his man will sail into the slot alone, pick up a rebound and put it in over fallen Price.

      Oh you meant next goal scored by Gomez?

      I’ll take sometime next season for the Phoenix Coyotes.

      • krob1000 says:

        But, but, but…we signed him to “attract” Gionta (even though he openly denied it) and Cammi….they were ok with us blowing 7.3 on Gomer to get them here…they wouldn’t have just taken more money. If we distribute the hit evenly then we are paying about 8.65/year for Gio and 9.65 for Cammi! Good thing Phoenix is out west because who knows who they will attract with Gomez….for this reason alone we can only trade him out West!

        • G-Man says:

          Gomez was signed because Koivu could not unite the room and Gainey believed Gomez had more upside. Would he have liked to get Lecavalier instead? Yes, however the GM of the Lightning at the time was a blabbermouth, using the Habs offer to try to get more for Lecavalier.
          If you think Gomez is a waste of money, check out Lecavalier’s contract.

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          • krob1000 says:

            At the time I may have made the mistake of Vinny …not for the trade packages being mentioned. I don’t think Koivu “uniting” has anything to do with it…the team actually wanted Kovy instead…that tells me that was not the issue as Kovy is perhaps the most selfish player in recent memory. I think the fans and media forced Saku out of town and wrongly held him accountable…he was never liked and was always polarizing for fans and media …but the funny thing about him is I have never heard a single comment made by an actual hockey player that was not a glowing endorsement…not even an avoidance of the question…instead just ringing, glowing endorsements about him as both a player and a person so I find that theory hard to believe.

            I think Gainey panicked after the Vinny thing …the team had just folded and they made a huge change and started with Saku…which IMO was the most wrong place to start…I am admittedly a huge Koivu fan but I also am being sincere from a general perspective. The fact we also tried to sing Komi is scary.

            Noone remembers Koivu always wanting mangaement to get more top quality wingers….then when we finally do we replace him night before with Gomez…..that was hard to swallow and still is.

          • ed lopaz says:

            Lecavalier is a damn good hockey player. Period.

            .

  14. Thomas Le Fan says:

    When a whole page is dedicated to Norv Turner, we obviously really need a Habs game. ;)

  15. dasbooth says:

    Just the fact that Wolvy takes his diet that seriously at this age is amazing. I remember a lot of talk about Price’s slump was due to his poor eating habits and training. Doesn’t appear that Wolvy or PK have that issue, which is a real sign of commitment and maturity.

    A freezer full of bison, that’s too awesome.
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  16. dorvalhabsfan says:

    Im thinking Mike Boone is feeling kinda silly after needlessly berating Kostitsyn before the season started, #3 in points, #3 in hits #3 in shooting pct (behind bona fide bangers moen and cole) all while averaging #12 on the team in minutes.. We have a seriously underrated player who gets flak for no reason ppl say he “floats” but floaters dont bang out top 4 goals and hits for 3 years in a row right? Kostitsyn will be smart to leave, as he is unappreciated by all. When he said me n coach dont get along he shout be immediately gotten rid of.. i remember Cole is in a situation as such? should we ship him off too?
    Go Habs Go

    • JoeC says:

      JM hates Russians, and anyone that doesnt think so is a JM lover. Yes he has brain cramps and is not the greatest defencivly, but the guy has been one of our top point producers for a few years, hit leader and whatnot and always low on TOI. Why do you say? because his name is not Gomez and russian so when he does a mistake the coach hates him, unlike his love for baddies like Gomez.

      That is all

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      What’s happening with Andrei right now is the best-case scenario. He’s still pulling at least one brain-dead, low hockey-IQ play per game, but his linemates are clicking with him and we are in a Happy Andrei phase. The stats look great, he smiles when he scores, I’m loving it. What I hope happens is that he keeps it up until the trade deadline and we can unload him on a contender for a 2nd-rounder or (be still my heart) a 1st-round choice, and then we are rid of him and we sold him high, as opposed to what we had to do with Sergei.

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      • JoeC says:

        Explain to me when then Gomez, who does more then 1 brain cramp move a game, and doesnt put up points, gets more icetime? Because you cant tell me there showcasing that POS. If they wanted to trade Ak, PLAY THE GUY. MMW when he gets traded and if its to a good team with an actually good coach, you took Trotz did a good job with SK, just wait to see AK tear up the league

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          The original post was about Andrei Kostitsyn, and so was my reply. I’m not getting dragged into a Scott Gomez discussion.

          I think what we see with Andrei is what we get. He won’t ever tear up the league. Let’s hope he continues playing well this season so we can deal him at the deadline. That’s my position, to which you may disagree.

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        • G-Man says:

          Sweet. AK will never be more than a 25 goal guy that hits. And there’s nothing wrong with that. Pretending Trotz would get more out of him is a fallacy.
          JM is better than you and others here give him credit for.
          Trotz hasn’t done much with Nashville, even the year they loaded up with Forsberg & Co.

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          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            25 goal guy that hits… sounds like a solid player to me.. or should we trade AK for Penner?

            Go Habs Go

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        a 2st round pick = 3 years from now and a stupid deal… pray tell who would trade a 1st and 2nd rounder… if anything trade him for a NHL established player.. maybe an O’brien type guy or an equivalent to pacioretty.. no draft pciks… unless they are top 10.

        Go Habs Go

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          We just have different frames of reference. I’ve stated before that we’re not one or two players away from winning the Cup, so our focus should be building depth within our organization. Think about the fact that the Bruins sent down Jordan Caron to the AHL, while we couldn’t find a callup to replace Scott Gomez, and had to trade away a 7th rounder for Nokelainen. We have a few prospects in the pipeline, but it’s telling that we can’t find anyone in Hamilton who can play on our fourth line.

          If we’re dealing Andrei at the deadline, I imagine we’re looking toward the future. Thus the draft picks. Prospects are fine as well.

          As far as what we’d get in return, reread my post, I didn’t say a first and second. I said a second, and best-case scenario we could start a bidding war and get a first. Remember the climate at the deadline, if there are three or four teams that think they are one player away from a Cup run, they’ll overpay for the sniper they think they need. Think if Joe Pavelski gets hurt, Alex Burrows doesn’t have the right chemistry with the Sedin twins (he runs hot and cold with those guys), Teemu Selanne’s knee is acting up, now you’ve got three teams that think that Andrei can plug the hole in their lineup and put them over the top. That’s how a first could happen.

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          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            I understand more what you mean.. but if best comes to best and a bidding war starts why not go for a guy with NHL experience, with an NHL track record.. AK should be able to garner more value then dominic moore.. if moore is worth a 2 then AK is worth 1 and players… dont settle for anything just because something is better then nothing.. trading from that kind of position is defeatist and will not help us get building blocks or NHL players

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            First I was challenged that I was being too optimistic in what Andrei could bring in a trade, now I’m not shooting high enough.

            Hey, if the bidding war goes to a point where someone bids more than a second (remember Mr. Kostitsyn is an unrestricted free agent July 1), and even more than a first, then I’d be the first to congratulate Mr. Gauthier.

            As far as receiving an established NHL player, I don’t think we’d receive that from a contender. They wouldn’t want to give up roster players. If we get one, it means we think we have a shot too, and we’re trading Andrei’s skill for defence or size at centre or a Scott Hartnell-type, etc.

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          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            Nooo, you said 2nd rounder hopefully a first.. Im just pointing out Moore a grinding center was worth a 2nd then Kostitsyn is worth more.. Im saying its bad to trade for the sake of trading, but we can shoot hiigher then a 2nd.. I feel, and im sure many others, that a player of Kostitsyns calibre is much more valuable then moore right?

            Go Habs Go

    • Bugs says:

      AK is not #3 in pts; he’s tied for 2nd, since the two who have more pts than him are tied for the same amount of pts. In other words: two are tied for first, only stands to reason whoever follows is second.
      AK is not #3 if Dezzy is #3 at the same time, right?
      No, they are tied for 2nd.
      4 players in first and second, man, I LOVE me some brain-twistin early in the mornin!

      Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        oh come on who is counting :P it would also stand to reason that #1 in points is the guy who got their first.. or who has more goals, or less toi lol but hes behind 2 players in points i shouldve said that!

        Go Habs Go

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Bugs, if two people tie for first, the next person is third.

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        • Bugs says:

          Not pts-wise, which is what we were talkin about when it was said that AK was #3 in pts.
          He’s not #3 in pts; he’s #2.
          Pts go from 9, which is #1, to 7, which is #2.

          Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            You’re bending over backward to prove a point that nobody will agree with. When you look at the scoring stats, the first name on the list is #1. The second name is #2, or in your example, if all tiebreakers are equal, tied for first. The third name on the list is #3. That’s the way everyone sees it, and the appropriate way to see it. The third guy has two teammates ahead of him in the scoring race. If he goes around the dressing room and tries to argue the same semantics you are that he’s actually second, he’s going to get a beating and tape in his hair and someone’s probably going to piss in his post-game beer. That’s the way the world works.

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          • Bugs says:

            Again, you’re talking about positioning on the pt SHEET.
            We were talking about positioning in pt accumulation.
            Pt accumulation positioning is 9. And then 7.
            1 and 2; that’s it. Whomsoever has 7 is in second for amount in pts.
            Why argue with me on this? That’s what it is; argue with that, not with me.

            Back from the Brink’s boasts L. B. Potter, esq.

  17. CanadienBoy says:

    New rule needed, teams can not go more than 3 days without game

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Question to Boone/Stubs or anyone that got to see practice etc.., at the recent practises for the Habs, does it still appear Emelin is the odd man out for the defence this weekend?

      • dorvalhabsfan says:

        stupid, Emelin is the only guy who can hit… Leave Spacek on a rotating basis with Weber.. Diaz much more impressive.. Emelin should be much more comfortable (hopefully) when he cracks the lineup… Emelin might be mad but they communicate… Emelin isnt thinking wtf??? he’s a proffesional, understands its his job and will wait for his oppurtunity.. Maybe he’ll play with Markov to keep him healthy lol it could be an idea… wouldve been nice to have Hamrlik but hey some things just dont happen.. (imo letting hamrlik go was smarter then keeping him for 2)

        Go Habs Go

        • G-Man says:

          Are you the only one who doesn’t see how Spacek stabilizes the D and makes them better?

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          When in doubt, blame PP.

          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            well i mean when Markov returns, not scratch him forever, but developing our young D while letting Spacek rest here and there… the issue is logjam on D and someones gottaa be the odd man out.. might as well be the 37 yr old… its better for the future of our D prospects and for playoffs ( if we make it ) to have Spacek more rested and less injured.. i could easily say “Nokelainen and Blunden” stabilize the team.. or Gomez being out stabilizes the team.. or firing Pearn stabilized our D…so no .. i guess i am the only one cuz i find that team revolves around a collective effort not just one man
            oGo Habs Go

          • G-Man says:

            @dorval
            Early in the season, yet. When Markov returns, there will be a logjam and I don’t think we’ll see Gill or Spacek playing back to back games as the season goes into January.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            G-Man, I agree that Jaro Spacek has helped on defence since his return from injury. I do however cringe when I see him about to get hit, he is so weak physically that any bodycheck crumples him to the ice. As soon as a team targets him early in a game, he will disintegrate and be a mess in his own zone.

            More importantly, I think we should be investing his minutes on Mr. Emelin, even at the cost of a few more losses. Mr. Spacek isn’t the missing piece who will win us the Cup, at best he is helping us fight our way into the playoffs. Let’s take that half-step back and give a high-caliber twenty-five-year-old defenceman with a skillset that is lacking on the Canadiens all the icetime he needs to develop.

            Yannick Weber and Raphaël Diaz both looked shaky in training camp and early in the season, but after being forced to play them, they are now getting better every game. Having Yannick on D and blasting away from the point now seems so obvious that no one is questioning it anymore. Let’s give Mr. Emelin the same opportunity, and watch him bloom.

            Mr. Spacek and Gill could benefit by rotating in and out of the lineup based on the opponents, and how the youngsters are doing, with attention to pairings. Injuries will happen, everyone will be needed down the stretch, so let’s have everyone ready, instead of having gassed and limping veterans on the ice and green rookies in the pressbox.

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          • dorvalhabsfan says:

            Mr. Errant i think Mr Gauthier is rubbing off on you LOL way to put it in a way i could not, i hope this can be a season of developing our players for a good run next year, we have to address needs (big D big C) and getting those is difficult… they dont grow on FA trees.. and getting a smart stay at home strong D who can rack up a few points is a blessing that is being tossed away.. but i will not worry much.. Martin isnt a bad coach, but hes no Jose Mourinho (google it lol) i just hope its a matter of “lets let him get used to our system, our ice and our players.. its a tricky situation but a plethora of D should be utilized to the fullest…werent we complaining about defensive wear and tear last season?

            Go Habs Go

          • krob1000 says:

            I agree …right now Spacek is our Hamrlik of years past. I would oust Gill long before Spacek but Diaz will be the one who sits at first mistake of consequence.

  19. heh, max pacs diet :)

    not saying theres anything wrong but i bumped into him at five guys lol

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    Sparky! I mean Linda, sent this to me. A great donation gift for the Summit Children’s Raffle.

    Do you remember the hockey film “Face Off”
    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=capress-hkn_film_face_off-13075774

    “Face Off” will have a special screening on Thursday, November 3, 2011 at the Hockey Hall of Fame with a silent auction and a Q&A with the stars.

    The charity screening in Toronto will benefit Stop Concussions
    http://www.stopconcussions.com/

    “Face off” will be on DVD and Blu-ray as of November 15, 2011

    Just in time for the Summit shopping for that hockey fan on your list!

    Yours in hockey,

    Linda

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    My wife and I have been enjoying Bison for a few years now, had no idea that it had wolverine like powers, but good to know. Please Habs play soon, the fact I am reading articles on what players eat and finding it remotely interesting is somewhat concerning.

  22. HabinBurlington says:

    Found this piece on Penner interesting, about a year ago there was many people wanting the Habs to go after Dustin Penner, Puckdaddy is not afraid to call him out.
    http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/kmb/comments/dustin_penner_hes_not_that_good/

    • montreal ace says:

      LA gave up a first round pick and a conditional second for him for their playoff run, and it did not work out well. I still like the guy, he is big, strong and drives the net. He looked good on the Oilers with all their young guns, and made him look better then he is, but as I said I still think he is pretty good

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    I know from some of the posts on here that Red Fisher is not everyone’s cup of tea, but he’s right on the money in his piece on bogus injuries.

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    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      I can understand being frustrated not knowing what an injury is but I can also see the point that a team is protecting a player by not revealing the injury. It is either that or sit until a hang nail is completely healed.

      Maybe that is the real issue with the NHL.

      As for player honesty and them actually answering questions, look what it got poor Joe Thornton. Posters here were all to happy to side with Torterella and call Joe a loser.

      Red continues to crawl farther into the past — which wasa a place where one wrong word or unfaithful quote doesn’t reach millions. One day he is not going to come back from one these nostalgic flights of fancy.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        The whole idea that you keep the injury secret to protect the players is accepted wisdom that is never challenged. The NFL has very specific rules concerning the injured list, and these were created so that teams or gamblers wouldn’t monkey around with the status of players for their advantage. Teams have to divulge who is injured, what the nature and location of the injury is, and the likely return date of the player. Somehow, that is not a problem for a sport which is vastly more physical than hockey.

        http://www.ehow.com/list_6714978_nfl-injury-report-rules.html

        I agree that players and teams choose to be bland and use clichés when interviewed to avoid proffering the dreaded ‘bulletin board material’, so I kind of enjoyed Red sharing some situations when players weren’t quite so vanilla.

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        • HabinBurlington says:

          I see your point, however, I think there are two distinct differences from the NHL injury perspective. Firstly, gambling is not nearly as prevalant nor as impactful on the NHL as it is the NFL. (Plus if you were going to gamble high stakes dollars, you just include Papa Campbell in your wager and he takes care of the reffing in that game to help along). Secondly, with the NHL schedule having so many more games players can be targeted that much more often and it doesn’t hurt to have a stick in your hand which you can used to gently massage the players injured area.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Yeah, it’s easy for me to discount the risk since I’m sitting on my couch, instead of being on the ice, where I should be, but I digress. I agree with Red that the whole upper-lower-mid-body injury is all kinds of ridiculous, and since it provides no information why bother with it anyway.

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          • Stuck_in_To. says:

            Real late in checking back on this comment thread, but you make a good point about NFL disclosure having a lot to do with gambling and odds.

  24. Un Canadien errant says:

    We need the Canadiens to play soon. Last night the Leafs were on TSN, and I kind of didn’t change the channel.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      I heard on TSN this morning, the host referred to the NHL schedule makers as Mensa Candidates. Very strange schedule indeed. I suppose part of the problem is we no longer only watch our teams performance on Saturday Nights and use that to get us through the week. We watch every game and are accustomed to our fixes every couple of days.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        It’s tough. I’m trying to perform a psychological withdrawal from the San Diego Chargers, convincing myself that I don’t care that they didn’t fire Norv Turner three years ago, that they are yet again a ‘talented’ team with no heart or spirit or toughness, who commit mental errors as if they were Doppelgangers for a Bill Belichick team, who fumble the football and then look at it on the turf and say to themselves: “Should I get that?”, who instead of playing hard complain hard to the referees.

        So I need my Canadiens.

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        • Mike Boone says:

          The Rivers fumbled snap was a classic.

          Mike Boone
          Hockey Inside/Out blogger
          Gazette City columnist
          mboone@montrealgazette.com

          • HabinBurlington says:

            It is hard to believe that Rivers ever becomes a big game quarterback. Mike, we have watched how many times in the playoffs when the Steelers play a talented Chargers team and Rivers simply doesn’t get it done.

            Dan Patrick did a segment on the recent Chiefs/Chargers game and played all the different Radio/TV feeds for that play. The Chargers Radio broadcast immediately blamed the fumble on fireworks going off outside the stadium and it distracted Rivers thus causing the fumble. Too much, now that is homerism as its finest.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I’m such a cynic now when it comes to the San Diego Norvers that I was not quite expecting the Hardwick-Rivers fumble, but I wasn’t exactly shocked either. This is a team that has barely managed to put away KC, Denver, Miami and Minnesota, and fumbled and bumbled its way to losses against the Patriots and Jets. They have been remarkably consistent in that they almost found ways to lose against poor teams, and were creative in their losses to the playoff-bound teams. Not too good, not too rotten, just sucky.

            I’m occasionally branded as an apologist on this site, one of those posters who drinks the Pierre Gauthier Kool-Aid (I prefer referring to us as the Sane Faction). Being forced to watch my favourite NFL team being ‘coached’ by Norv Turner for the last few years is possibly what gives me patience when I evaluate Jacques Martin’s performance. Compared to Norv, and to Bob Berry, Bernard Geoffrion and Mario Tremblay, Mr. Martin is a good man to have behind the bench.

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          • Un Canadien errant says:

            HIB, that Dan Patrick segment is a good illustration of homerism in sports ‘journalism’ and broadcasting. We see the same phenomenon every time the Bruins and Canadiens play, and read the Boston Globe and Herald just for kicks. It’s like the Montreal and Boston media are watching different games.

            The Rivers fumble is not the big headscratcher that everyone I’ve heard from is making it out to be. Philip’s jock got a little tight close to the goal-line and near the end of the game, and he closed his hands together before the ball got there. Typical of rookie quarterbacks who get the jitters in a big game, but inexcusable for a veteran quarterback who is included in discussions of the Top 5 NFL QB’s. He should refund half his salary for this year strictly based on this one play.

            The Norv Turner syndrome of being good at practice and strategizing and being cerebral but not being a winner or mentally tough has leached onto his team. Every year they look good on paper but can’t make it happen on the field. How he escapes the hatchet year after year is mind-boggling to me. In such a results-oriented field, where you can’t hide from your record, since it is right there, black and white on paper, he continues to get another kick at the can. If he were a CEO of a company or sales manager of a department that was doing as poorly, he would have been canned long ago.

            Am I managing to convince you that I don’t care anymore?

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  25. Un Canadien errant says:

    I sympathize with you, but only to a degree. You got your pound of flesh, you got to see Norv fired.

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  26. HabinBurlington says:

    @Un Canadien errant, I could only imagine the success of the Chargers, if they went out and gave Bill Cowher control of that team.

  27. bel33 says:

    I’m finally getting to see my team get some wins after a decade of futility. I’m a Detroit Lions fan….. now there’s some hard times folks. Not Maple Loaf bad… thankfully… but some lean years. It’s helping to forget about that 0-16 year….

  28. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’ve been dreaming of Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden or any coach who is enthusiastic and a players’ coach, but who demands ACCOUNTABILITY. During the Monday Night game, while I was busy not caring, I was jumping off my couch and refraining from throwing things at my 50 inch plasma (it’s my pride and joy) while seeing Antwan Barnes posturing and dancing and strutting after sacks. I was screaming at him to get his head in the game, to look at the scoreboard and the clock and, moreover, to GET HIS HEAD IN THE GAME. FLIP. But this is the kind of selfish, brain-dead, me-first, weak-willed play we have been subjected to during the Norv Turner Era. We have players who are workout warriors and projects coming out of college but who aren’t winners, and they’re coached by a spineless waffling egghead who lets them run riot over the team. Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden or the next Mike Tomlin, wherever he is, would not allow that.

    But it’s fine, since I don’t care anymore.

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  29. JoeC says:

    There are alot of players like this on every single team, gimme a break. I cant believe you even brought Markov into this

  30. dorvalhabsfan says:

    jlgib should be a toronna fan they have a bunch of americans he cleary is biased against europeans

    Go Habs Go

  31. dorvalhabsfan says:

    heck i think he could be more effective at clearing the net than gill… his upside is his reach and defensive IQ.. but his physicality and passing and skating leave alot to be desired… intangably gill brings a cal, respected presence and leadership which goes far

    Go Habs Go

  32. dorvalhabsfan says:

    i dont htink its up to the habs where AK goes… it will be sad but he’ll be gone

    Go Habs Go

  33. Trisomy 21 says:

    That’s because he’s so heavily relied on as being the best Dman. He’s not going to be making high risk pinches like in the regular season. He’s still a great asset.


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