HIO special section

In Thursday’s Gazette, we published our latest Hockey Inside/Out special section. In it, we look at Canadiens forward Jeff Halpern, former NHL defenceman Ray Bourque, Bruins rookie Tyler Seguin, Canadiens former enforcer Chris Nilan and much more.

Here is what you can read in today’s section:

Erudite Halpern took long road to NHL: Hickey

Bruins rookie patterns game after Yzerman: Mio

Family time hard to come by for Habs: Hickey

Fans can put the CH in Christmas: Boone

Bourque reached seventh heaven: Fisher

Nilan reshaped enforcer’s role: Ian MacDonald

Magical New Year’s eve at the Forum: Stephanie Myles

Artist draws on his hockey passion: Stubbs

Brash rookie know no other way: Wayne Scanlan

NHL has no place for cogent quotes: Cam Cole

Knock-offs kayo retailers: Don Butler

94 Comments

  1. habs03 says:

    lol, how did the Canadiens play scared last night, people explain. Look at the Det, what toughness do they have, what big C do they have, they have Dats,Zet,Flip down the middle, all 5’11 of shorter playing in the western confernce which is full of teams with big C, and tough guys. Toughness isn’t the reason we lost the last 3 games.

  2. habs03 says:

    if you take a step back and look at the season a whole it’s been really good. Every team goes on a losing streak, but what has been frustrating is the way we have lost, in Det with all the penalties, no one showing up in the first period in Tor, and those mistakes on D that cost us the game last night. if we can just win the next 2 games we’ll be fine for the 7 straight road games. In regards to P.K. stupid mistakes he has been making but its part of the process, people need to take it easy on him, but they also need to understand if JM think he needs to sit out a game or two it’s for the best interest of the team and PK. Also people need to stop with these none sense bashing of JM, he is one of the top 10 coaches in the league in my opinion, and people like to credit Kirk for many things but never Martin. And for those who say JM ruins young players, I like to point to Havlat, Hossa, Afly, all those guys were gifted offensively but JM made them so well on both sides of the rink, look at who he developed Meszaros who was suppose to be horrible on the back end. And then there is Spezza, who’s state went up the roof when JM left, yet he is still costing his team games because of dump mistakes. All in all, this is my rant on people that need to realize, the team is going in the right direction, we got the right people in the right places, making good decisions for the most part

  3. Timo says:

    Mine just used to kick us in the a$$ or smack over the head, following by some more profanity. At some point it lost its charm though.

  4. Kooch7800 says:

    Man, want to see something scary…..look at at the East standings.  We are in 3rd place and 2 points out of 8th.  This is going to be a dog fight for the rest of the season

  5. shiram says:

    Boyd sent down to Hamilton, as per RDS.

    I didnt get to watch the game last night, only saw the second and third on canadiens express, and the Habs didnt look bad on there, but from the comments i gather on here, they didnt play all that well either.

    Still i’m glad we saw some offence from the Gomez line, and the comments seem positive about MaxPac.

    Longest losing streak this season, and highest goal total allowed as well, so this loss does hurt. The standings are also getting tight, and that get on the fans nerve.

    I’m wondering right now, what do we need most? Is it a quaterback to replace Markov, or that gritty physical forward? Both hot commodities in the league and likely to be pricey, and i dont see how or who in the farm could really take on these roles. And it brings the question of where those players would play, obviously we want a top 6 forward, but now with MaxPac the available places are getting harder to come by. Right now my scapegoat would be Ak46, if he could be traded for a consistent physical player with an offensive upside, that would be great.

    I dont see how David Desharnais could crack the nhl level this year unless one of our center gets injured. And we already picked the best D from the farm as well.

    Also i got to wonder about Gionta last night, he leads the team on shot on goals, by a wide margin, 35 shots over Cammy who is second, and yet his goal total is on pace with our other scoring forwards.

  6. Storm Man says:

    It is how men talk with men…. I still think my head coach from football in the states has a trade mark in swearing ;) or maybe it was chronic. I told him once that I did not understand English and he made me do wind sprints. That was my puke and rally day.

  7. Malreg says:

    Martin is definitely the same.

    At the Canadiens LRF Coaching Day in 2009, we were allowed to watch the Canadiens practice.  One of the drills wasn’t being executed properly, and in front of about 400 minor hockey coaches at the Bell Centre, Martin blew the whistle and started to yell out “That’s not the F**KING drill!  This is the F**CKING drill” then explained it again.

  8. mike g says:

    The Devils apparently have put David Clarkson and Colin White on the trade market…

    And possibly Langenbrunner too. I’d put an offer for Jamie and maybe even Clarkson, it’s just too bad David is overpaid. Maybe Ryan White could do the same job as him but for a fraction of the cost, I’m not sure.

    But if Langenbrunner is available, he’s one of the perfect fits, IMO, for Pleks and Cammy.

     

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  9. Timo says:

    Really? I think it is rather a norm for coaches to have potty mouths. I remember mine – no wonder I can swear pretty well myself. If one thing I’ve learn from my coach it was the swearing.

  10. jrshabs1 says:

     Maybe Nilan will come out retirement and bring some toughness back to the Canadiens. Was almost sick to my stomach lastnight watching the small timid Canadiens play scared during the 1st period. JM’s I hate tough guys approach doesn’t win championships. It won’t get any easier tonight with the Bruins in town. When will the message get through? Habs have lost 3 in a row now and the last 2 were pathetic..the leafs started to get physical and the Habs had no answer..loss!! Philly..they must laugh at the Canadiens and so they should..btw loss! I was emabrassed on Saturday as should the rest of you when Clarke McCarthur of all people drops Spacek like a stone and nobody even came to the soft Euro’s aid. For God’s sake PG do something..change the formula!

     

     

    Go Habs Go!!

  11. Storm Man says:

    He must had been having a bad day:)… great work by HBO to do this looking forward to the next part. I liked the fact with the Pens players on the plane playing PSPs that was funny and talking trash about who was the best.

  12. HabsFanInTampa says:

    Yes, I watched it. I was surprised myself at how much profanity is spewed by their head coach.

  13. Storm Man says:

    Did anyone watch the HBO’s 24/7? Boudreau likes dropping the fbomb. I wonder if Lord Martin talks like that?.

  14. LA Loyalist says:

    Welcome to Gary’s world. where the ultimate Stanley Cup final would be Florida or Nashville against Phoenix or San Jose.

     

  15. LA Loyalist says:

    I had an epiphany, why we so often disagree – 

    If you are right 95% of the time the other 3% will take care of 
    itself 

  16. SeriousFan09 says:

    Langenbrunner is the ideal selection for the Canadiens to add a piece IMO, he has serious championship experience and Olympic credentials. Still leaves room on the cap for the Habs to add someone else at the deadline if need be as well.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  17. jrshabs1 says:

     What game were you watching my soft Hab brother? Take the flowers out your hair. The boy’s played scared for the entire 1st period. P.K. should have fought Carcillo during the 1st shift..but didn’t. That fight could have silenced his critics and the Flyers but he wouldn’t fight. NHL is a man’s league my soft Hab brother when you grow into a man you will figure that out. Xenophobia is a big word but doesn’t apply in this case since I know what European players bring to the table and toughness is not on the menu. Oh and bud, I was watching the rested Habs lose to a team that played the night before and yes they looked soft and timid in the 1st period.

     

     

    Go Habs Go!!

  18. punkster says:

    Cam Cole. Doing his standard suck and blow at the same time schtick. In my view Cole and others are blowing this whole PK thing way out of proportion to the actual situation. On the one hand PK has attitude, style and je ne sais quoi. I don’t want him to ever change that. However, the other hand is simply that the kid is a rookie, making rookie mistakes and getting rookie treatment. That’s the aspect those who are upset with his treatment seem to avoid when discussing this issue. He’ll be fine because he’s smart and talented. He’ll learn how to play solid D, minimize the bonehead errors, shoot accurately without the telegraphed big windup and utilize his speed and magic moves to make a difference for the team. Until then he’ll have growing pains that only coaching, mentoring, TOI and discipline will resolve.

    He’s a rookie. Stuff happens.

  19. LA Loyalist says:

    the problem is once you’ve dropped the bombs, where do you go? It’s like threatening your kids and never following through on your threats. Or blue comedy, yeah, we know those words. Ha Ha. Now what?

    It does not impress me because it means you’ve painted yourself into a corner and it loses all impact with repetition. Whatchall think?

     

    too small, too soft, too intangible

  20. Mattyleg says:

    Hahahaha!

    ‘Scared’? I don’t know what game you were watching, bud.

    We’re physical and we don’t run away.

    And nice xenophobia with the ‘soft Euro’ comment.

    Get back into your shack, redneck.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  21. Mattyleg says:

    We played well last night, overall, it’s just that the Flyers are on FIRE.

    Took advantage of every mistake we made, and capitlaized.

    I still think that one aspect of our game that we have to work on is possession in the opposing team’s zone. This is why our PP is so dreadful, and which is why we aren’t dominating the way we could.

    What we’re playing right now is run-and-gun hockey, which has its perks, but against a team like Philthy, they’ll make us pay.

    Last night was a good example: we seemed to play at times like it was a road-game – getting breaks into the zone, getting a shot or two, then bustin’ a$s back to our own end. We play like that a lot, and try to do it on the PP too, which is why it’s not as effective as it could be.

    We need someone to step up and be the puck-possession guy in-zone. Gomez just skates as soon as he gets the puck, so he’s no good… any thoughts?

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  22. Timo says:

    But you liked it at first, right? :)

  23. punkster says:

    My ex-wife used to do that, which is why she’s my ex-wife.

  24. LA Loyalist says:

    Sure the refs screw up, they are human, but that said it that should average out equally between all the teams over a decent sample size of games.

    f you are watching closely and seeing consistently crappy officiating against Habs I worry that there is political direction that does not want too many (or any) Canadian teams in the finals. Can you imagine a Habs/Vancouver final. US television ratings would be flusheroo.

    Good thing I’m not paranoid- only one annoyed.

  25. HabFanSince72 says:

    With competent officiating?

    You mean in a different sport?

    ’cause if our plan depends on competent officiating from Colin Campbell’s gang it has failed at the first hurdle.

  26. notbigbird says:

    This team is still learning how to be a top flite contender. It will take some time and learning from losses. I don’t expect them to make a serious run this year. The mix isn’t right IMO — too many very young rookies mixed with too many aging vets.

  27. LA Loyalist says:

    You put it well. “Tentative” is the exact description. But to me that may well be coaching, that they are not fully prepared for that particular game. What else can it be? They collectively unconsciously decide to be unsure?

     

  28. idle says:

    Every player turns the puck over.  Turnovers happen all the time in games.  What concerns me about P.K is that it seems every time he turns the puck over he also puts himself out of position.  At least twice last night he turned the puck over at his own blueline and then he just stands there or continues to drift forward when it is obvious that he gave the puck away and it’s coming back in.  By the time he turns around and skates back towards Price the puck is already in the net.

    Learning process yes, but how many times do you have to be burned before you figure out not to follow your pass, especially when it is clearly a lame one.

  29. Mark C says:

    I’m fine with the turnovers, but that lack of situational awareness (leaving his feet on the PP vs. Edmonton) and positioning after the turnovers that is worrisome. That Giroux goal is a classic case, Gomez and Subban turn the puck over, but Subban somehow lets Giroux get behind him in Montreal’s zone. To me that was an inexcusable play, what was Subban thinking on that play?

  30. Kooch7800 says:

    Ok I would really love to beat the B’s tonight. My third least fav team after Philly and Toronto.

    I am a huge PK fan but I am thinking webber should come in tonight.  PK has really lost his confidence and needs to keep it simple.  We knew this would happen at the start of the year cause he is a high risk high reward player who is still a rookie. I am not bashing him but he is hurting the team more than helping in his last three.

     I think 1 week in the AHL to take the pressure off might be good for him.  Then bring him back just after Christmas.

  31. mike g says:

    Funny how everyone blames PK for last nights loss…. Is it impossible to blame Pleckanec for anything, or is he untouchable just because hes having an awsome year?? Because we all know its so much easier to blame a defenseman for a goal. But my problem here is how Pleks took that slashing penalty in the 3rd period. He gave a strong effort to backcheck, and then wasted it with a 2 handed slash on the stick of JVR. Useless. JVR never even knew that Pleks was behind him, and thomas coulf have simply lifted his stick and taken the puck the other way. But he decided to chop his stick into pieces with a slash, and give Philly the PP they needed to take the lead. So why is PK blamed for the 3rd period collapse last night?? Why not Pleks for a bonehead penalty, the same way PK sort of got lashed for his end of game PP against Tampa that cost us that game?? And why was PK blamed for Cammy’s lazy/ soft play in OT vs the Oilers?? Seems to me like the veterans on the team need to protect PK a little more, and the media shouldnt single him out when others arent pulling their weight either….this kids a gem, lets not ruin him.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  32. SeriousFan09 says:

    Pleks was in a rush to clear up Spacek’s folly and he made a mistake to make sure the guy didn’t have an unopposed shooting opportunity. Goal 4 on Spacek, from the terrible pass to the ill-advised joining the rush on the PK, others were to blame but if you hang the goat horns on anyone for that whole thing, it’s #6.

    For every mistake Pleky makes, he does a 100 things right.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  33. The Cat says:

    I dont get the criticism of Subban either, not by a long shot, makes no sense to me whatsoever.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  34. Habfan29 says:

    I think that it might be to late. JM sitting him for those 3 games has really affected his confidence, he is playing like O’Byrne did, afraid to make a mistake or he will be banished. Just not the same PK….

  35. TommyB says:

    Bravo!  I was just scanning the posts this morning and was wondering if anyone would come out and mention Pleks dumbass penalty that took the wind out of the Habs momemtum.  There’s not much excuse for a slashing penalty.  There is no reason at all for it.  It wasn’t even retalitory, which would at least be understandable but still dumb.  That penalty allowed the Flyers to regroup their offence, forcing the Habs to back off of their impressive third period attack to kill off two precious minutes and leaving very little time to mount their own counter-attack.  PK did have some brain cramp moments, but it was Plekanecs penalty that killed the Habs last night.  Funny how some fans will ignore things some players do, but jump all over others for the same thing or less.  I ask you, if that penalty had been taken by Gomez or Cammaleri, do you think either of them might be hanging from a cross this morning?  You know it.

    There is not much doubt in my mind that the game was at least headed for overtime, if not an outright regulation time win for the Habs.  The Flyers were back on their heals the entire third period.  That penalty let them back in the game, and being a good hockey team, they took advantage of it.

  36. idle says:

    Who is blaming P.K for last nights loss?

    P.K was blamed for “Cammy’s lazy/soft play in OT vs the Oilers because he was the last man back in overtime and he put himself out of position.  He passed the puck to Cammalleri in tight coverage and then followed his pass before he even knew if Cammalleri could get the puck going the other way.  P.K ended up sitting 3 games partially due to that mistake but he seems to have learned nothing from it because both times he turned the puck over last night that resulted in goals he did the same thing.  Passed the puck and then started skating out of the zone before he even sees if the Habs have possession.

    P.K will be alright but he needs to be more responsible at his own blueline.  Many a rookie have had the start of their carreers put on hold because they were not responsible enough in their own end. 

  37. Kooch7800 says:

    Plec’s did burn that play there is not a doubt in my mind.  Problem being is PK’s mistakes lead to 2 goals last night.  I am a PK fan but he is really not playing well and hasn’ t been in his last 3 games.  The game against Toronto with the Big wind up with a guy lying in front of you and he shoots….game over and he was a minus 3.

    he needs his confidence back and to keep it simple. I honestly think a week with the Bulldogs would help him cause Benching him made the pressure increase and has made it worse.

    Without Markov our younger D are getting a ton more ice time

  38. Chuck says:

    I thought that I read in a Stubbs post on here a whule ago that the Hab jerseys were indeed made in Quebec… or maybe he was just talking about the on-ice authentics that you can buy for $300+.

    A big problem with all of the knock-offs is that they directly impact on the Habs’ bottom line, which means that they then have to make up the revenue in other areas, shuch as higher ticket and concession prices.

    Bill J has a ’68 Beliveau? Small world… I have one, too!

    Centre Hice: Sainte Flanelle, illustrated history: 1935-36

  39. SeriousFan09 says:

    I lost track of who had it, my mistake. For some reason I thought it was his… Oh well, never said I was good at names, just with numbers.

    My 15-16 CA Throwback and Home Jerseys are products of Indonesia.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  40. LA Loyalist says:

    Wasn’t there a scandal a year or two ago that the “Canadian” lapel pins the government was handing out were made in Chinese slave shops?

    If we can’t even get that right… the Jerseys are really expensive so where’s the money going?

    And I just bought my kid some fancy VAPOUR stick for Christmas – I think it was $200 US – MADE IN CHINA.

    There was a great article in the WSJ last year showing an iPhone and each of it’s 171 (or whatever) parts and where they came from, it showed the entire supply chain.

    I bet we’d love to see a “supply-chain” break out of the hockey jersey. 

  41. Habfan29 says:

    Just noticed the Ryan O’Bryne that was not good enough to play for us is now +11 and averaging almost 20 minutes a game for the AVS….MMMM is any defenceman on Montreal a +11???? No, said it when he was traded this was a big mistake and JM is doing the same thing with Subban. Never liked JM and never will, just cannot develop players and keep consistent lines. You have to create the right conditions for a player to succeed and JM is just not doing it. When you pull the goalie, you don’t have Lapierre, Darche and Halpern on the ice….pathetic… We will not win a cup with Jacques “Count Chocula” as coach! To bad he has 2 years left on his contract…. Wake up Molson’s pay him off get him and Perry Pearn out of there….

  42. idle says:

    Take some pills.  The Habs lose 3 in a row for the first time this season and you go on a rampage against Martin.  Forget about O’Bryne, he did not play well enough in Montreal and he is not going to be the difference between the Habs winning or losing.  He is a solid 5/6 D possible a 2/3 at times but he is hardly a game changer.  If he wanted ice time in Montreal he should have played better.  If the trade to Colorado woke him up then good for him but it’s a bit early to consider him lost chance.

    I love the Habs but I don’t always love Habs fans.  We go sooo over the top sometimes.  P.K has played a couple dozen games, has 2 goals, makes a fair amout of mistakes but has his name chanted in the building every night.  When he gets sat for a couple of games it’s a national emergency.  P.K is a talented player and will likely be a very good one in the near future.  Lets just slow down and enjoy the ride while he takes some time to get there.  He is making some ugly mistakes (as most rookies do) and he needs to put his time in just like any other player does.  You don’t just anoint players in this league (Cary Price anyone).

    Show P.K some love, but let him earn his lumps

  43. joeybarrie says:

    Someone made a great point yesterday. The Avs are one of the worst defensive teams in the league. O’Byrne may be good enough to play defense there, but he is not good enough to play defense for one of the top defensive teams in the league. Boston is the only other team that has less goals against. As for Colorado, the only teams worse than they are behind the line is Edmonton, Tampa and NYI…

    As for the bashing of JM. Thats just a stupid comment. He is one of the best coaches in the league, and has been extremely successful with this team. As for the NONSENSE about JM not being able to do well with younger players I can only say this…. Alfredsson, McEachern, Hossa, Prospal, Yashin, Salo, Havlat, Chara, Spezza, Weiss, Booth, Horton, Jokinen, Bouwmeester… and I am sure there are more… Who did JM fail??? who is out there playing brilliant hockey that JM failed?

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  44. adam76 says:

    In regards to the fake Jerseys – if the NHL didn’t put a 500% mark up, maybe we would not need to buy “fakes”
    .

  45. SeriousFan09 says:

    I remember someone posting to think about where the fake jerseys are “coming from”, as if the real ones are being stitched together by Oompa-Loompas at a magical Jersey factory. (Come to think of it, the Oompa-Loompas were kind of getting hosed with no pay, weak safety standards and a very bad diet of mainly chocolate so there’s Type-2 diabetes for ya). Check the backs of your jerseys folks, they’re not made in Canada, well except Bill J’s ’68 Beliveau Jersey I imagine.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  46. TommyB says:

    For a guy who is playing like he is afraid to make mistakes, he sure is making plenty of them…..don’t ya think?  You’re not seeing JM ruining a player.  You are seeing reality setting in with a gifted, but raw, rookie who is learning the game at the NHL level.  PK might have benefitted from more time in Hamilton, but ready or not, he was needed this year.  The kid is a pro.  He’ll learn quick, but he ain’t there yet.

  47. Habfan29 says:

    I saw Ryan O’Byrne playing the same way, and I should have clarified that when you are playing afraid to make mistakes that is when you generally make more as you are tentative and not confident.

  48. idle says:

    Sorry but that is ridiculous.  If your trying to suggest that a ROOKIE player in his first full season can’t be sat for a couple of games without ruining his confidence then how does the league even have enough players to fill out 30 teams.  Enough of this pandering B.S. if you want to play you play the system the team asks you to play and you play responsibly or someone else gets your icetime.  O’Byrne simply did not play well enough in Montreal.  He made too many mistakes and there were better options then him that could be and were used.  He is playing well in Colorado so far and if it works out for him that’s great.  Lots of players respond well to a fresh start.  But to suggest that Martin ruined him because he was afraid to make mistakes is a joke.  You can’t play in the NHL if you are that timid.  So lets not even start this with P.K.  Subban has enough confidence don’t worry.

  49. Mark C says:

    Did P.K. look like a player without confidence while he was flying around on the PP last night?

    To me, he looked as confident as ever; he even made a backhand pass off a spinorama. Sorry, but I have a real hard time buying that he is afraid to make mistakes and be banished while he is doing spinorama’s during a PP.

    Also, how come JM gets all the blame for OB? Carbo had OB for two years and OB never developed under him.

     

  50. The Cat says:

    His benching though had nothing to do with his play but his attitude. If it was his play, his icetime would have been diminished, but as it was he led in icetime.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  51. TommyB says:

    Right, I got that, but you are saying JM is responsible for PK’s mistakes are you not?  It ain’t so, IMO.  PK has tremendous talent, O’Byrne had some potential but not in the same league as PK at all.  Trying to liken one to the other doesn’t make sense.  I think PK’s brain is moving way ahead of his feet at some moments, and at other moments his feet are moving way ahead of his brain.  The game is way faster in the NHL and PK is still adjusting.  The kid wants to win, and he will do whatever it takes, in his mind, to get that win.  He’s an emotional player.   He’s into the game.  But he is still making adjustments.  I think he is trying to be the player he was in the AHL.  He was very successful there, but now things are different.  He’s playing against the best now, instead of other young guys trying to get noticed, or older guys finishing their careers in the minors.  The guys he’s trying to beat now have seen it all before.  None of this is on JM.  JM is trying to find the right mix of motivation/consequences to employ with this budding talent.  PK has the potential to be a shining star for the Habs and JM is not going to ruin him, neither intentionally nor accidentally.

  52. Habfan29 says:

    Then the organization is part of the problem. Do we have a player development coach????

  53. Mark C says:

    It’s listed as Timmins, but I don’t think that’s the problem. What’s happening with OB happens with a lot of players. To me, OB is the quintessential complimentary player, meaning his real talent level is at best that of a bottom pair NHL defenseman. Pros: big, at time physical, solid positioning, willingness to block shots. Cons: highly limited offensive ability, lack puck skills and ability to move puck, and tendency to repeat mistakes. However, if OB is paired with an elite level offensive and puck moving defenseman, then he can play top-4 minutes, as he can focus on being a stay home defenseman. With Markov out, Montreal doesn’t have any defenseman that can be properly paired with OB, leaving him exposed as a bottom pair defenseman. As such OB got out played by the players on the roster, and with a cap hit over $1M it was time to move him.

    In hindsight, it can be argued that the trade shouldn’t have been made. However, given Montreal’s roster, I don’t know how much help OB would give the team if he was still here.

    All told, he seemed like a player that needed a fresh start, and I’m glad Montreal gave him one. 

     

  54. The Cat says:

    JM does make it hard for young players to gain confidence though. JM is a bit scared to lose the room I gather, he seems to pick on easy targets rather than hard targets.

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  55. Habfan29 says:

    I agree for the most part, but I just don’t like Martin’s coaching style……

  56. idle says:

    But isn’t that the case in any job.  It’s easier to make an example out of the rookie/newbies then the 8 or 10 year vets.

     

    I don’t have a very strong opinion about J.M either way.  Here is what I know about him though.  He took a team that had no business going there to the conference finals last year.  He has this years team playing 6 games over 500 despite losing their last 3 games (first 3 game streak of the season) and without Markov.  The team is number 1 in penalty killing, 2′nd in the leage in goals against average and for the most part is playing exciting hockey.  Things can always be better but I don’t think we need to set our sights too firmly on the coach.

  57. Habfan29 says:

    you do pose a compelling agruement my friend, but when its broke the finger usually get pointed at the coach and in this case the constant line juggling is just as bad as the Carbo years. There is no way that Moen and Halpern should be on the top 2 lines. I remember the Scotty Bowman days when the top 3 lines never changed unless there were injuries, the only line that had changes was the 4th… Top line was always Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur no matter what. I would like to see Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammarelli re-united..

  58. Habfan29 says:

    you do pose a compelling agruement my friend, but when its broke the finger usually get pointed at the coach and in this case the constant line juggling is just as bad as the Carbo years. There is no way that Moen and Halpern should be on the top 2 lines. I remember the Scotty Bowman days when the top 3 lines never changed unless there were injuries, the only line that had changes was the 4th… Top line was always Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur no matter what. I would like to see Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammarelli re-united..

  59. The Cat says:

    Well I dont like JM and I cant say ‘he took a team to the conference finals’. Without Halak’s out of the ordinary play, the caps wouldve won in 5 games. I look at the man and I dont see any motivational skills whatsoever, I could be wrong but I doubt it. When he left the sens, that team played like it was traumatized (afraid to take risks, afraid to take penalties).

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  60. Habfan29 says:

    sorry double post Browser hung

  61. TommyB says:

    I’m going to suggest that your memory is not so good.  I remember the Toe Blake days, so it goes without saying that I was around for the Bowman days.  Bowman did move players around, and plenty.  His lines changed over and over during games.  He would match players to situations.  For the most part, his top line stayed intact, but not gospel-like constant.  Line juggling is part of every coach’s job.  You try to match the situation.  I would suggest a coach who does not do this, is one who is just there to open and close the door.  And there are some who fit that description, I’m sure.

  62. Habfan29 says:

    Martin does not do a good job at line matching….

  63. Habfan29 says:

    I will have to ask my 70 year old father about Toe Blake as that is before my time…..

  64. TommyB says:

    I’ll leave it at that.  You mentioned above that you just do not like Martin’s coaching style, and nothing anyone can say here is going to change that.  I would like to know whose coaching style you do like.  You know, just for comparison prurposes.

  65. Habfan29 says:

    yes Bowman did change lines during game play, except for Shutt-Lemaire-Lafleur, but that was during the course of a game based on the situation. How can a player build familiarity with his line mates if his line is changed every second game, this is what I am getting at. Match lines, change up based on the game, but constantly changing linemates almost every game, not during, does not create success. I think that the lines should not be in a constant state of flux, there needs to be some stablility, in my opinion only.

  66. TommyB says:

    Too bad you have to resort to age-discriminatory sarcasm, because if you remember the Bowman days, then you are not all that much younger than I, and I am nowhere near 70.

  67. Habfan29 says:

    I prefer someone like a Pat Burns, Jacques Demers, Michel Bergeron.

  68. Habfan29 says:

    It was not meant as sarcasm, I really do not remember the Toe Blake days. I am 45 and most recent memories are of Bowman. Sorry I did not mean to offend you, my apologies if I did…

  69. HabFanSince72 says:

    The irony is this:

    The fact that many fans call for the coach’s head after three losses is exactly the reason O’Byrne couldn’t develop here.

     

  70. CanadienBoy says:

    Bowman was though on the players, Shutt and Larouche were always in the dog house.

  71. idle says:

    It’s almost mind boggling.  I saw him make the pass.  I saw right away that that pass was going to wind up on the opponants stick.  I saw P.K looking right at it.  I saw P.K slowly drifting towards the blue line.  I’m thinking to myself “how the hell does P.K not see that.  Where is he going?  What is he doing??”

    Look I didn’t start this to trash on P.K.  I am excited by him too.  I just want us (fans) to slow down a bit.  sloooowww down.  P.K already may have a bit of an over confidence issue.  Now the fans are chanting his name every night and how does it not start going to his head.  He needs to calm down and we need to calm down.  Let him learn the NHL game.  There will be some exciting moments along the way and think of how good it will be when he gets there.

  72. Mark C says:

    Couldn’t agree more. I would suspect that that type of mistake is what burns JM the most, and rightfully so. You’re right, it would be nice if people just simmered down on P.K. a bit. If JM can be blamed for wrecking his confidence, can we blame fans for adding too much pressure on P.K. to make otherworldly plays? 

  73. DD says:

    I’ve bought numerous ‘knock off’ baseball and hockey sweaters in the last little while. I feel no symapthy towards the store owners. They have been gouging people for years and this is what happens in a free market world. As for their contention that they use cheaper material and lousy stitching in the knock-offs, well they may well be true, but their ‘real’ swaeters are certainly are not $160.00 better that the ones I have bought. I’m willing to bet that the “real” sweaters are made in the same factorties and run by the same gangs in China, as where the fake ones are made. For now, I’m pretty happy with my authentic Expo’s Dawson, Orioles Robinson, Oakland Fingers, Braves Aaron and the Pocket Rocket Richard sweaters, which cost me, all toll, a little over $130.00. And yes I have washed them several times, and they look just as good as the day I bought them. Now I’m looking for a Satchel Paige and a Wille Mays for Christmas.

  74. TommyB says:

    You might want to try looking in Omar’s Tent & Awning Supply store.

  75. LA Loyalist says:

    So how many of you still actually think we could beat Philly 4 or even 3 times out of seven? (Even with Price playing well, and no way Markov will be back this year). Ca change, plus ca change.

    At least Gomez made some effort, I think he realizes he’s on thin ice (not that we can do anything).

    It makes it even more infuriating when we whiff 2 points (just as valuable as points against Philly) against Leafs through arrogance.

    The immediate concern (and I’d like your thoughts) is why we start so many games slowly? To me that’s preparation, coaching…

     

    too small, too soft, too intangible

     

     

  76. smiler2729 says:

    Starting slowly is the coach’s fault? He’s not on the ice, either the players aren’t listening (I doubt it) or they’re not executing (“It’s a fine line between clever and stupid” – David St.Hubbins)…

    I say the players need to quit being so tentative at the onset of games and play their game, not wait to see what game their opponent’s playing.

  77. CanadienBoy says:

    PK did not start slowly

  78. SeriousFan09 says:

    With competent officiating? I’m fine with the chances but we’re not getting that. Carey would have to go All-World in the series and hopefully we wouldn’t face the Filth at full strength (since we’re not at that) but the Flyers are in Top Contender category, Habs need a couple more prospects to graduate and a boost on D to be in the same category.

    The team right now is very tentative about giving up the 1st goal because of their record on winning without getting it and what happens when they’re behind after 40. Seem a bit too concerned with making a mistake or they’re just too loose figuring Carey will keep them out of trouble while they get the 1st goal. A little too sure Carey can keep it going while they get the first goal, or a little too concerned about giving it up. Also, frustration mounting over lack of calls? I know they’re supposed to be pros, but it has to be a point of frustration, Habs are getting 3.35 PPs a game right now but are getting called for 4.5 penalties per, for a ‘small, soft’ team the numbers are odd.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  79. Mark C says:

    Montreal has scored the first goal in 20 of their 31 games, I’m not sure starting slow has really been an issue. In fact, the NYR are the only team to have scored first more.

    You really hate Gomez that much that you can’t curb your dislike after a game where he set up two goals, a Gio post, and a few other great chances, his line mates had 11 shots and another 10 that missed the net?

     

  80. Timo says:

    The way things are going right now, Habs will be playing Philly in the first round and then there will be no ECF. In the best of 7 Habs may master one win against the Flyers, and that will have to be on Price to stand on his head. I am not dissing the Habs really, I just don’t have any illusions about them either.

  81. The Cat says:

    But JM had NO choice on those teams. The sens and panthers were young. And those teams ended up playing traumatized in the end. “Dont take penalties, for God sake dont take a penalty!”

     

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  82. HabFanSince72 says:

    That was me.

    The problem was O’Byrne needed to play to get confidence but he couldn’t play here as there were 7 guys ahead of him. If Marky’s injury had occured two days earlier we probably  wouldn’t have traded O’B. Ironic in a way. 

    That being said after his 125 games here O’Byrne will be remembered for only three things:

    1. Stealing a woman’s purse.

    2. Scoring into an empty net. His own.

    3. Shooting the puck over the glass, game after game.

    Still – good guy and will probably turn into a good defenceman.

     

  83. CanadienBoy says:

    Don,t fight either.

  84. Habfan29 says:

    You had me until I saw, Yashin, Spezza, Jokinen and Bouwmeester……did Martin win a cup with any of them???

  85. mike g says:

    Anyone else think we should try sign Ville Leino in the offseason to play with Cammy and Pleks? He’d bring a great creative dimension to that line. Hes very patient with the puck and is such a ctafty player.

    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  86. HabFanSince72 says:

    Sure. But why would Philly let him go?

  87. SeriousFan09 says:

    Leino will likely be very pricey as a UFA, Habs need to promote from within right now and they should be looking to add muscle to the top line anyway, if Pacioretty works out this season (which I think he will) that creates the All-American line, but we need some muscle for the Pleks-Cammy line. For a guy who pushes for the power forward, I don’t think Leino will be the one digging out the puck for that line.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  88. SeriousFan09 says:

    Cap concerns, he’s generating at a rate that will make him a prized commodity July 1st and the Flyers have a very expensive blue line and a lot of high-priced forwards as well.

     

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  89. HabFanSince72 says:

    More to the point, if your first name is “Vile”, you really can’t be playing for any other team than Philly.

     

  90. J_P says:

    I really liked what I saw from Patche’s line last night.  Gomez looked really inspired last night, if he can keep up that level of intensity, the results will come for that line. 

    If we let Andrei and BP go in the off-season, were going to have to replace them with someone.  Leino could be interesting if the price is right. 

  91. J_P says:

    Gomez played inspired hockey last night, ill give him that, but it was ONE game.  I want to see many more games like that before I start giving him some credit.  Gomez is quickly becoming the new Kovalev, if he isn’t already. 

  92. J_P says:

    Last night was one of the first times I have seen some serious fight back from the habs all season.  Carey was having an off night (which considering his play this season, he is more than allowed to have one here and there), and it, unfortunately, just happened to be against the best team in the league. 

    Gomez gave a real solid effort last night.  If he can give us that kind of effort 90% of the time, it will do wonders for this team.  However, like I said in another post, Gomez is the new Kovalev.  You never know what you’re gonna get with him. 

  93. Timo says:

    Just proves that when our goalie has an off night we are guaranteed to lose. It’s part of Martin’s The System – play Gomez and hope the goalie bails you out.


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