HIO show is now live with Jacques Demers as special guest

Jacques Demers, the last coach to lead the Canadiens to a Stanley Cup championship in 1993, is the guest on our second Hockey Inside/Out show that is now available on hockeyinsideout.com/show or by clicking on the “H Show” link to the right.

Demers, who is now a senator in Ottawa, joined Gazette sports editor Stu Cowan and columnist Dave Stubbs for a discussion looking back at that championship team and he also comments on the current Habs.

Demers talks about the great mix of francophone and anglophone players on that 1993 team and the important role character played on that squad. And he recalls telling the players before that season started that they were going to “shock the hockey world.”

They certainly did, winning 10 straight overtime games en route to the championship, and Demers shares some of his personal memories from that special night at the Forum when the Canadiens hoisted the Cup for the 24th time in franchise history.

A special thanks to all the HIO fans from across North America who emailed in their questions for Demers. The winner of the HIO gift bag is Chris Barnes of Winnipeg for sending in the following question, which Demers answers on the show:

“At what moment in the 1993 playoff run did it hit you that the team was going to win it all? For me it was when (Paul) DiPietro completed the hat trick to finish off the Nords in the first round.”

Chris Nilan was the special guest on the first episode of the HIO show. Look for the third episode in mid-April.

The Canadiens practised Monday in Brossard as they prepare for back-to-back games Tuesday in Pittsburgh and Wednesday in Boston.

Carey Price will get the start in net on Tuesday against the Penguins in a game that will be a “huge challenge for us,” coach Michel Therrien said.

“Right now this is the hottest team in the NHL,” Therrien said of the Penguins, who have won 12 games in a row.  

Rene Bourque, who has been out with a concussion, hasn’t skated since last Thursday when the Canadiens were on Long Island, N.Y.

“He doesn’t progress like we were hoping,” Therrien said. “So that’s the frustrating part with a consussion.”  

The other players not travelling with the Canadiens to Pittsburgh are Raphael Diaz, who is also out with a concussion, Ryan White (lower-body injury) and Brandon Prust, who suffered a first-grade separation of his left shoulder on March 9 against the Tampa Bay Lightning.

Prust skated on his own on Monday with Pierre Allard, the Canadiens’ strength and conditioning coach.

“It’s coming along,” Prust said. “We’re getting there.

“We’re just making sure it’s going to be 100 per cent when … I get back. It’s not 100 per cent yet, but it’s getting close.”

Jeff Halpern, claimed off waivers Saturday from the New York Rangers, practised with his new teammates for the first time Monday.

The lines at practice were: Ryder-Plekanec-Gionta; Galchenyuk-Eller-Armstrong; Moen-Halpern-Dumont; Pacioretty-Desharnais-Gallagher. Blunden was the odd man out.

Defence pairings were: Gorges-Subban; Markov-Emelin; Tinordi-Bouillon; Weber-Kaberle.

927 Comments

  1. 24 Cups says:

    So it’s Morrow, Murray and a 3rd for basically a 1st, 2nd and 5th.

    Great moves by the Pens They still have this year’s 1st rounder plus the two they drafted last season.

    They come back this year with the same team from 2012 that has been upgraded by Vokoun, Morrow and Murray. That’s impressive management skills by Shero.

    • Cal says:

      So, tomorrow they trade for Mary, keeping the theme of the week intact? ;)

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Two seconds ;)

      • 24 Cups says:

        My understanding is that it is only one 2nd rounder. The second pick only comes into play if the Pens re-sign Murray.

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          aha! That’s new, originally reported as the two. That paints the deal in a better light for the Pens for sure

        • deuce6 says:

          The 2014 draft choice is conditional upon the Penguins winning two playoff rounds this year or the team re-signing Murray for the 2013-14 season. Should either event occur, the Sharks will receive the Penguins second round selection in 2014, should neither occur, the pick becomes a third-rounder.

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          Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

        • GrimJim says:

          TSN now reporting its a 2013 second and a 2014 third unless either Pens winntwo playoff rounds this year or they resign Murray. Then it upgrades to 2014 2nd round pick.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Thanks, Jim. That now makes it Morrow and Murray for a 1st, 2nd and a 5th. Still great value.

  2. GrimJim says:

    Prospect watch: UND is ranked #2 in West Region. They play Friday and if they win then Saturday. If they win that, they are in the Frozen Four in Pitt April 11.

  3. youngwun says:

    Pens aren’t playing this year. Right before we play them tomorrow they get upgraded

  4. Rad says:

    It would be hilarious if the Pens lost in the 1st Round of the Playoffs after making these moves. If they run into a hot goaltender like Lundquist, or if they play a defensive, trapping team like the Devils, you never know, it could happen.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Their moves are a bit of a smoke screen. Their biggest issue is whether or not Fleury or Vokoun show up. If Fleury played well last year, they would have gone to the final.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  5. Sportfan says:

    So how many points are needed to clinch a playoff spot?

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  6. Mattyleg says:

    Oh dear, I saw the word ‘overachieving’ used below to describe the Habs.

    Heh heh. Oh boy.

    What does ‘overachieving’ mean, exactly?

    If it means ‘exceeding expectations’ then yes, we are that, but other peoples’ expectations have no bearing on how good a team is or isn’t, but rather how accurate their expectations are.

    It makes me laugh when I see posters say stupid things like ‘we’re not a number one team’ or ‘we’re not Cup contenders.’ All that means is that the people who are saying this are protecting themselves from being disappointed rather than enjoy the success we have.

    Overachieving? Not by a long shot.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  7. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Briere is out indefinitely with a concussion. No love for the Flyers (or his decision not to play for the Habs), but hate to hear that about the guy.

  8. Luke says:

    Anyone think that the Pens made a pitch and the Sharks, wanting time to discuss the offer internally, told the Pens to “Gimmie two seconds…” and the Pens went “OK”?

    That’s probably exactly what happened.

  9. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Surprised Nashville is struggling for a playoff berth this year. But all for them being thrown in that lottery! Coupled with the Flames second-rounder, if Nashville moved up in the draft we could have the equivalent to two late first rounders in a deep draft year.

    3 picks in the top 40…surely there’d be a good chance that 2, or all 3, turned into bonafide NHLers! Especially with Timmins drafting them with Dudley’s input!

  10. mrhabby says:

    pens are all in..

  11. HabinBurlington says:

    Must confess my guilty pleasure, went to hockeybuzz to see what Dicklund had to say. It is like reading a horoscope in the paper, vague and BS. Have washed my hands three times since going to that website and still feel dirty.

  12. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I’m more worried about Prust, Diaz and Bourque coming back than whatever potential trade MB makes. Bourque especially…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  13. NoTinFoilCups says:

    Doug Murray is a fr*gg*ng beast on D. Clears the front of the net. Just what we needed. The Pens are going for it while we sit back and watch.

    • deuce6 says:

      He will help the Pens. no doubt..

      ——————
      Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The only position available on the starting D was Boullion’s. When he got signed to an extension, I think it signaled that nobody’s coming to take his place.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Luke says:

      I know. MB is terrible!! Fire him. His team has already slipped from 3rd to 4th. He’s just twiddling his thumbs, not even trying. I think he disconnected his phone service to save molson a few bucks. A few buckls that he’ll use to put Saltpeter in his Toronto Coors beers. (or somthing to that extent).

      OR perhaps he called SJ and they said ‘two seconds’ and he said, “Yuck. How’s about a 2nd & a Third” and they said “no, those suckers in Pittsburgh are offering two seconds”.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think MB would have said something that rhymes with “Yuck”…

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I heard he is actually sitting on his hands, I find this far more unacceptable than twiddling of thumbs. He is the second coming of Rejean Houle as GM.

  14. La Duke 16 says:

    We are massively overachieving this year. It will not continue through a 7 game series with a tough opponent.

    I would like to see MB make some moves to strengthen this team for the future and free up cash for the summer free agent market.

    I would love see to a long term move to get Malkin to Montreal over the summer.

    • deuce6 says:

      A team that stays near the top of the standings for more than half the season is far from over achieving..If it were a ten game window, I would say yes, but teams that overachieve tend to fall back to earth..We, on the other hand, are pretty consistent and I am a huge Habs critic..

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      Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

      • La Duke 16 says:

        I wish I could agree with you, but we are still over achieving.

        Do you think we didn’t underachieve last year?

        • deuce6 says:

          It was a team that was plagued by bad management, lack of leadership, and a boat load of injuries to key players…It doesn’t surprise me that they are more competitive with a healthier line up and a stable management group..

          Price said it perfectly…”We have leadership, now”…

          Last year’s team was not a 15th place hockey team on paper..

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          Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          I think we really underachieved last year. The future for this team is quite bright, especially now that it is well managed. To say I expected us to be at the top of the division would be a lie, but I certainly thought we were a playoff team that could make a splash.

          But the Habs are still a young team. Look for them to be consistently at the top of the conference in the seasons to come…they’re only getting better that’s what is encouraging.

      • johnnylarue says:

        But it’s not actually half a season–it’s half of a half-season.

    • Stuck_in_To. says:

      Do you mean like in 2010 when we beat Pittsburgh and Washington but could not get past Philly?

      • La Duke 16 says:

        I would love to see that again – but I am not hopeful for a long run in the play-offs. I would rather see us stock piling for the years to come.

  15. SteverenO says:

    The only way to get anything for Kaberle is to play him.

    He may just surprise everyone and contribute. Considering his replacement does not get to play in the third period, and is deemed inferior to Josh Gorges on the second wave PowerPlay, I don’t see any benefit in NOT dressing Kaberle

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • deuce6 says:

      If we play him and he gets hurt, we can’t buy him out…That is why he isn’t playing..

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      Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Exactly…the Habs can’t afford to risk ~6.5% of the salary cap next year.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Rad says:

      The fact that Bergevin/Therrien are playing Josh Gorges on the 2nd PP unit over Kaberle is proof positive that Kaberle is going to be bought out this Summer. Management does not want to take the chance on Kabs getting injured.

  16. Ice Storm says:

    I agree with some posters alluding to Bourque’s setback setting off the green light for MB to go into acquisition mode… Armstrong is holding back Eller’s line now. Bourque, or the shuffling of him back in the line-up would have solved that. Does MB shore that up via trade? Or does he wait for Prusty’s return to do the same? Thoughts? (I really think the management thought Bourque would be activated for this “big” week)

    • SteverenO says:

      Or , the line looked good with Dumont,and perhaps might work with Blunden, or even Leblanc. Why not tryout our existing assets before going outside via trade route

      regards,

      Steve O.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I think the majority of the core of this team is young right now and I wouldn’t want to tinker with that unless something too good to be true came up.

      Even if Bourque is done for the year, I wouldn’t give up any of our solid prospects or those three second-rounders for a guy who isn’t going to be able to contribute to the team for several seasons.

    • Cal says:

      Armstrong was the best of the three Saturday night. Honestly, I wonder what game you guys watch.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Cal, I think the issue is that Armstrong is incredibly consistent and played an even game while perhaps Eller and Galchenyuk did not, Armstrong’s skill set is best served on the 4th line and with a different winger, E and G might be better served offensively.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  17. deuce6 says:

    I really don’t want to see Bergevin make any knee jerk moves because of the Pens’ activeness on the trade front, but we really should kick the tires on a deal or two for a playoff run..

    I am not saying we should give up a boat load of picks/prospects, but this team is becoming decimated with injuries and there isn’t much left in the Hammer in terms of readiness for the NHL…

    I would hope he pulls the trigger on a depth trade or two at the deadline for a middling prospect or two..Nothing huge, just to help in the depth dept…

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    Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I think MB is realistic. This team was 15th last year and this is a shortened season. No major prospects and draft picks are going anywhere. Minor prospects and picks…who knows?

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  18. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    The market is starting to form:
    Morrow: former 1st round pick Pens EDIT:3rd back to Pens
    Murray: 2 second round picks Pens (very low second round)

    Looks pricey no?

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Cal says:

      Murray was traded at a good price. Morrow not so much.
      -EDIT- From a buyer’s perspective I mean.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think everybody here has a different opinion on what players are worth. It’s hilarious… :)

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Those two second rounders for Murray definitely do to me. That said, I don’t know what other picks the Pens have.

      For example, we have three second rounders, so if we were to trade our own, and hang on to the Preds and Flames ones, that isn’t as pricey as for a team that has only the one second-rounder right? So it is slightly relative.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I think we can all agree on one thing…the Pens are going for it.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Loonie says:

      I don’t think there can be a definitive yes or no to your comment about the market based on these trades.

      Neither the Stars or Sharks are out of the playoff picture. Their hands weren’t forced.

      Those players were definitely pricey but two trades involving three teams doesn’t make a market.

      Edit: Also important that the Pens got a third rounder back in the Morrow deal.

  19. otter649 says:

    Doug Murray to The Pens who have now replaced Hal Gill on their defense with a bit more speed…..

  20. Ian Cobb says:

    Weekly report on how we are positioned in the 30 team league, opposed to last week.

    Points—-45, We are in 4th place.. Last week 42 points for 3rd.

    Goals F—98, We are in 5th place. Last week 90 goals for 2nd.

    Goals A—77, We are in 7th place. Last week 70 against for 8th.

    Goal Diff+21, We are in 5th place.. Last week +20 Diff for 5th.

    Points are very tight in the standings this year. Any team that goes on a short losing streak, will find themselves out of the play offs. Including the Hab’s!

  21. La Duke 16 says:

    I think that Pitts is interested in Kaberle. How about a first and second rounder for him?

  22. Loonie says:

    Anyone else think Iginla will be a Bruin before dinner time now?

    • scavanau says:

      The thought makes me ill.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I’m actually leaning toward the Kings (though it might just be wishful thinking, haha).

      They have been going after him for a few years now (Brayden Schenn was on the table for awhile) and there is the Sutter connection…coach that Iggy took the Flames to the Final with.

      Here’s hoping…

      • Loonie says:

        I think the Bruins will go on a splurge now that the Pens have made these moves.

        I can see them getting Iginla and Bouwmeester.

        • johnnylarue says:

          I would love nothing more than to see them sell the farm for those two and choke in the first round…

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          The only positive in that is they might be coerced to overpay for him then!!

          The other logical reason for him going to the Kings is Bernier. If they trade Kipper…or even look past next season, they need a goalie, so that would make LA a good trading partner.

        • Strummer says:

          If the Bruins make a splash in addition the Pens’ moves then it’s even more challenging for the Habs to get to the SCF.

          ______________________________________________________
          “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

    • Sportfan says:

      I think I will cry if he becomes a Bruin. Iginla is a classy guy and I like the guy and would had to seen him in black and yellow.

      http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      As long as Malcolm goes the other way…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Newf_Habster says:

      Hey! Why do you want to spoil our appetite for dinner or supper?! :(

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      Dinner time Saturday perhaps … Calgary has three games this week and beleive (this is Calgary after all) they are still only 3 points back of Dallas (counting on winning the game in hand)

      Dallas is starting to sell, if only at the edges and Calgary has a back to back with Columbus. If the Heavens part and they win three, they hang on until April 1st against Edmonton and then they have to decide.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  23. Timo says:

    RDS reports that Weber was practicing with the team. It’s not really important though.

  24. habzfan2003 says:

    I hate those blasted Penguins! Here’s hoping that Fleury falls a part in the first round again.. And they’re the first occupying the driving range!

    Hopefully they don’t get Iggy… Because i’d like to cheer for him if it comes down to it. Although seeing him go to Boston would make me equally sick!

  25. Rad says:

    2 Second Round Picks for Douglas Murray is 1 Second Round Pick too many. I would have liked Murray’s size on the Montreal blue line, but not at that price.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Don’t really know how much one deal affects the rest of the market, but to my mind, Smid is now worth that at the bare minimum. And he’s a guy I was interested in the Habs acquiring for sure. But jeez, that seems a lot…

      Wonder when the picks are? Habs have the Flames’ second rounder, which is pretty much a late first rounder.

  26. Timo says:

    Moving from San Jose to Pitts? Yikes!

  27. HabFanSince72 says:

    Pens gave up two 2nd rounders for Murray.

    Least used d-man on San Jose, 3 points and a minus 8.

  28. Sportfan says:

    Doug Murray to Pitts jeez these guys are gunning for the Cup this season. Although seeing the Habs in the finals is the dream, having a Pittsburgh-Chicago final would be really cool to watch.

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  29. Phil C says:

    If Bergevin can pull off a hockey deal at the deadline, that can be as good as a rental. Pittsburgh got Kunitz at the deadline which helped them make it to the finals. Kunitz had three years left on his contract at the time. They had to give up a roster player, but they were deep on defense at the time.

    • Loonie says:

      Yeah it isn’t about necessarily getting a rental. It seems people are worried about upsetting the balance in a locker room.

      The irony is that teams typically react better to a trade when they’re winning than how they do to a move when they’re losing.

  30. Old Bald Bird says:

    Excellent Show. Quite an improvement from those Puckcasts although I enjoyed them too.

  31. Loonie says:

    Two second round picks for Douglas Murray per Bob McKenzie.

    Now that’s overpayment.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Yikes! Wasn’t he a healthy scratch a few games this year? Maybe Shero senses he won’t be able to re-sign Malkin next year and wants to go for it while he still has the chance.

      • Loonie says:

        I think just a couple of times and it’s funny you mention that about Malkin, that was the first thought that popped into my head.

        It’s a bit premature though because he can’t even give him an extension until July 1st.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Yep, way too much for a steady 5th-6th UFA.

    • Phil C says:

      Wow, Pittsburgh are really going for it. That is overpayment unless they know they can resign him.

      I guess the Sharks are sellers as well.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Even if they can sign him, not sure it’s worth it, haha.

        But he is a steadying presence back there. Good depth guy.

        • Phil C says:

          You’re probably right, steep price for a 5/6 defenseman.

          They must feel the road to the Cup goes through Boston, so they now have a big strong defensemen who can keep a guy like Lucic in line.

  32. shiram says:

    a 2nd and 3rd for Murray??
    Rumours only so far.

  33. Timo says:

    From TSN
    “The Pittsburgh Penguins have reportedly acquired defenceman Douglas Murray from the San Jose Sharks, according to TSN Hockey Insider Pierre LeBrun of ESPN.com.

    The trade call is still pending.

    The 33-year-old Swede has scored three assists with a minus-eight rating in 29 games with the Sharks this season.”

    Is Murray a Swede? LOL

  34. Chris1138 says:

    I’m hoping someone can help me out with this question:

    I swear at some point this season the Habs had a really exciting 3 on 3 sequence due to penalties, but I can’t remember which game it was. Does anyone know?

    –| Brad Marchand | Starley Cup Chanpiar 2011 |–

  35. showey47 says:

    Read some posts from the last thread about getting jared boll. My only question is how does a guy named jared get a middle name like rittenhouse?

  36. adamkennelly says:

    NICE…Halpern Moen and Dumont – thats a gritty, tough 4th line…

  37. Luke says:

    (nothing to see here… move along).
    go.

    get..

  38. mark-ID says:

    If it doesn’t take more then a 2nd rounder for Jagr…I wouldn’t mind seeing him come in as a rental:

    Pacioretty Desharnais Gally
    Jagr Plekanec Ryder
    Chucky Eller Gionta
    Prust Halpern Moen

    If Bourque comes back this season, you can maybe slide Gionta to the 4th line and have Bourque on the 3rd. Either way it gives us a ton of depth and scoring going into the playoffs.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Bripro says:

      I agree. Jagr loves to play with Pleks and he loves Montreal. But RDS reported that he was in the midst of negotiating another 2-year deal with the stars.
      So I would say it’s doubtful.

  39. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    LeBrun reporting the Pens got Douglas Murray

  40. Bripro says:

    Here’s Elliotte Friedman’s 30 thoughts, including a little tell-tale about Kovy 27 when he was with the Habs.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/03/30-thoughts-no-gasoline-poured-on-flames-trade-rumours.html

  41. Flanelette says:

    This week will tell us if the Canadiens are cup-worthy: they must get 3 points out of those difficult back-to back games.
    Budaj against the Bruins?

  42. Say Ash says:

    Loonie, for every cup winner that’s taken on rentals, there are half a dozen other teams that do it as well. Selective data is selective.

    • Loonie says:

      I agree. It’s about the team overall and what they add. But the prevailing idea around these parts that rentals are a kiss of death is silly.

      If you can add a great addition to your team without selling the farm you do it.

  43. blu3chip says:

    TSN suggested that Loui Eriksson maybe available…

    Should we be interested? :D

  44. Timo says:

    Did Halpern practice today? Is he good to go tuesday and who will he be replacing (Blunden I assume)

  45. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Simple question: do you think MB would have given up a former first round pick for Morrow? I don’t think so. If the prices are this high, I can’t see him making a significant move unless it was a non-rental deal.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Agree. I think he will make a deal for a guy like Clowe as he, and everyone else, knows that we need some more size up front. But that’d be what the folks call a ‘hockey deal’…meaning if he trades for a guy, I think he’ll be looking to sign him too.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I know players have slumps but to have zero goals in twenty five games on that team is disconcerting.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          Oh yeah, sorry, didn’t mean that he should go for Clowe. I’m skeptical too. Just mean, I think he’ll be looking at guys like that — who have more of a career ahead of them and can be integrated into the team for several seasons.

    • Loonie says:

      (sigh)

      Morrow’s an Olympian/Cup winner with great pedigree. Similar to Iginla in fact.

      The other rentals or rumoured available players don’t have similar careers. Price will be lower for others not named Iginla.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I respect your opinion. You don’t have to add unnecessary comments (sigh?) to make it.

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Loonie says:

          There are plenty of people falsely championing an opinion that rental players are priced out of the ball park.

          It’s simply not true. And then there’s misconception that because Morrow went for a good prospect that every other rental will come at a similar cost.

          It’s silly. And incorrect.

          • Garbo says:

            In your opinion

          • Loonie says:

            No in this case I believe it to be fact. There’s been no qualification of “the rental” or the cost associated with the uniform generalization.

          • Garbo says:

            Would you have traded someone like Tinordi and a pick for Morrow? In my opinion, that’s too much.

            I don’t how the price of other rentals can be determined as “fact” until the trades happen.

            Please tell us what your crystal ball predicts the price to be for the next useful rental.

          • Loonie says:

            No I wouldn’t have made that trade Garbo. But one, two, three, four or five overpayments don’t make rentals a uniform group of overpriced transactions.

            And that’s what many here have been posting for the better part of a month.

            I’m sharing my opinion that rentals aren’t a group of marked up merchandise. It seems you’d prefer to argue a different topic because you certainly aren’t understanding the debate. Or rather you agree with that opinion and just want to focus on half of the evidence.

          • Garbo says:

            “No in this case I believe it to be fact.”

            I disagreed. This is just your opinion.

            “I’m sharing my opinion that rentals aren’t a group of marked up merchandise.”

            Now we agree. This is just your opinion.

  46. ont fan says:

    Talk of Dudley up for Buffalo GM job.

    • mdp2011 says:

      I fear Dudley’s stint in Montreal won’t be a long one, he will be a NHL GM again. It would be a tough loss for the Habs.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        Depends. Some guys do not want to do any managing sometimes. If he is getting paid well enough, he might be happier just scouting. Who knows?

        “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Cal says:

      All team with excellent hockey men lose them when the GM position is up for grabs. I’m just glad the Habs were able to get him in here. We’ll see if he stays or not.

    • Luke says:

      yah, I heard that last week too…

      Hope not. Not sure what he actually contributes in his role, but I’ve been pleased with most everything that’s happened with the Habs since he came on board. So his fingerprints are on this team & their successes so far.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Okay, but if he tries to leave before the draft, MB should cry like a little baby to prevent it from happening.

    • Bun E. Laroque says:

      It would make sense. He played almost his whole career there.

  47. Loonie says:

    If you don’t think rentals work have a look at the last four cup winners. They all acquired pieces near the deadline.

    That isn’t to say that those teams won because they acquired rentals, but the idea that rentals serve no purpose is short sighted.

    Chris Kunitz, Kim Johnsson, Tomas Kaberle and Willie Mitchell are just examples from those cup winning teams.

    Brad Stuart for the Wings in the previous season too. So make that the last five(minimum) Cup winners have added a piece at or near the deadline.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If we get back players like Diaz, Bourque and Prust it will also be like we are picking up pieces. I am worried that Bourque and Diaz won’t be back at all this season.

      I do think MB will do something if the price is right

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • Chuck says:

      I’d like to see a team trade all of is current roster for rentals to really test out your theory. :)

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    • shiram says:

      Beyond the amusing debates it creates, I trust in Bergevin and his team.
      I can’t help but feel the Habs are overachieving, even if only a little, so I’m reluctant…

      • johnnylarue says:

        +1.

        We’d only be a little over a third of the way through a ‘normal’ regular season, and history is filled with post-All-Star-Game meltdowns.

        I love the Habs this year–and the majority of their wins have been convincing, but I’m also really hesitant to believe they’re as good as their record indicates.

    • bwoar says:

      3rd time was the charm for Hossa, too.

      I don’t think we’ll see Bourque or Diaz back this year; this changes my stance back to “don’t bother” in terms of picking up a piece or two. MB has stated that he would only get guys who are here to stay, so, no worries from me on the rental thing.

      “thoroughbred”

    • johnnylarue says:

      No argument with regards to the rent-a-player philosophy in general terms.

      I would only dispute the notion that this season represents a once-in-a-lifetime shot at the Cup for the Habs, and that they should go “all-in” because of this.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Going against everything I said below…it would be amazing to see Jagr in a Habs jersey ;)

  48. Great show! Loved every minute of it. Jacques says I don’t like to embarrass my players. Good coaching! Especially in 2013.

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  49. ed says:

    I was wrong about Bourque’s effectiveness; I thought he was a head case and a player that lacked consistent motivation.
    I was wrong about Diaz; until Chris began posting things about him and I started to see how good a d-man he could be.
    I was wrong about Prust; I thought maybe we had over paid for him, but it turns out he’s worth every dime.

    But some of you were dead wrong about Subban.

    And when a distinguished hockey mind like Demers refers to Subban as the best d-man in the league, I say “wow, he might be right!!

    • Luke says:

      I don’t think Subban is the best defenseman in the league.

      I think PK’s terrific. Love what he brings to the Habs. He’s amongst my favourites and the last defenseman I’d trade off this roster (yes, I’d trade him).

      BUT: He’s not the best defenseman in the league. He’s easily in the discussion for top ten, but top five might be a stretch. Chara, Weber, Suter, Keith, Seabrook…

      PK’s great, but it doesn’t have to be a “I love PK he’s the BEST in the league if you disagree than you HATE PK!!!!!!!” type of discussion.
      I’m hoping Markov’s ability to remain cool underfire rubs off on him, because PK’s talents with Markov’s patience would be epic. That is the Norris winner…

  50. shiram says:

    @MattBarnaby3636
    Talked to an exec this am and said asking price to high for Iginla. #1 pick, Top prospect, and a secondary prospect.

    So something like our first, Beaulieu and Kristo for Iginla?
    NO

  51. Cal says:

    The HIO show has gone from uncertain nervousness to very professional in one episode. Great job, Stu and Dave!
    Big thanks as well to the always optimistic and effervescent Jacques Demers, winning coach of our Habs last Cup team.

    This show beats anything the other outlets do. Let’s see more (and more often, please).

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    • Exactly, anyone can sit around and trash the team. That’s garbage media tactics that I want no part of.

      PK is a spoiled whiner (just a hypothetical situation), and DD is too small.

      How about, I’d like to see PK adjust his personality to better his play around the team, and DD if he wants to continue on the second line must aggressively use his speed and skill to work the corners.

      The way some people talk about players is like they aren’t human, drives me insane when I see people trash our guys like that.

      But that’s just me, maybe it makes others feel good about themselves.

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  52. Bripro says:

    This is totally unrelated to hockey, and I honestly don’t know if this will be shunned upon by our moderators, but here goes anyhow.
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    Pound for pound, she’s the most intelligent person I’ve ever met, and this without bias.
    She has been one of six accepted into a select school of Archaeology in Spain.
    We are paying a large part of this trip, including all of her tuition so far.
    But if any of you fine bloggers and co-conspirators are into supporting a true brain and her educational efforts, I encourage you to click on the link and take a look for yourselves.
    If you chose to donate to her cause, I assure you, you won’t find a more grateful person.
    I’m sorry for this blatant effort at soliciting, but she is my baby, and I’ll help her in any way I can.

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  53. munch17 says:

    Travis Moen is the type of guy teams look for at the trade deadline.
    He doesn’t seem to fit in this year.
    Maybe he would be a good fit somewhere else ( Anaheim?) and Clowe would be a good fit here.

  54. Bun E. Laroque says:

    I agree with ghosts. Our team is just coming into its own. No need to trade prospects or picks for rentals on their last legs.

  55. mark-ID says:

    Although we lost to Buffalo twice this week, we still took 3 pts out of last 3 games. I’m also glad to see that we outshot Buffalo 39-18. Both of their goals weren’t really CP’s fault. Unfortunately they got a long 5 on 3 opportunity and capitalized.

    Luckily we are still in excellent shape, and Leafs did us a favour by beating the Bruins. Hopefully they can do the same tonight. I think this team will come out strong against the Pens. Just wish we didn’t have to wait one more night.

    It will definately be nice getting Prust back into this lineup also.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  56. munch17 says:

    Agree 100 % ( except that Patches was a first rounder ).

    Wouldn’t give up much for a rental – 3rd rounder tops.

  57. bcan says:

    What are peoples thoughts on the Habs trying to make a deal for Loui Eriksson who seems like he could be available?

  58. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    As we head toward the deadline I suspect (and dearly hope) that MB is not in the market for a rental player a la Jagr (as wonderful as it’d be to see him in the bleu, blanc et rouge).

    This is especially true with our second round draft picks this year. The Flames’ second-rounder will basically be a late first-rounder. And Nashville is struggling. If they miss the playoffs, they could move up in the lottery. I’d rather take a chance on one of those two second-rounders becoming a pro player (Patches, Subban were both Timmins second-rounders) than having Iggy come play for us for two years.

    This season the Habs have surprised everyone and though they are certainly in the mix, they are not the Hawks, Bruins, Pens or Ducks…not yet at least.

    Not yet, but they are definitely heading in the right direction. Of all the names thrown at the Habs, one you rarely hear is one of the most important: young.

    Price, Subban, Patches, DD, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Eller: these guys are all playing significant roles on the team this year and they’re all (I think) under 25.

    And really, some of the “older” players aren’t that old either. Pleky, Gorges, Bourque, Prust, Emelin, Diaz.

    When you add the guys in the pipeline: Tinordi, Beaulieau, Tokarski, Collberg (my bias here…think he’s a darkhorse sniper), Leblanc even though he’s had a setback, Bournival, Pateryn, Dietz, Kristo, Hudon…things look promising.

    That’s not to say that all of those prospects are going to turn into impact players, but I think it’s safe to say that there are enough prospects looking good right now to assume a few of them will become good players in this league.

    So here’s what I think. We have a good team, coached and managed extremely well that is going to have a chance to play playoff hockey and should make the second round relatively easily. We are not in the position to bet the farm on this year’s run. Give these young guys a chance to see how far they can push this team and patiently add where need be as well as give the guys coming up through the draft a chance to have an impact.

    If a player like Loui Eriksson is available, by all means take him if the price is right. That’s a long-term trade. But don’t go for rentals this year. The team isn’t there….yet.

    • shiram says:

      Max is a first round pick.
      DD is 26

    • Habitforming says:

      I agree with all of the (except patches was taken 22nd OA)

    • johnnylarue says:

      Patchy O’Ready was a first rounder (22nd, I think), but I concur with pretty much everything else you say here.

    • Loonie says:

      I’m curious what “there” is?

      And I’m not attacking your opinion. I genuinely want to know what currently makes the Bruins, Ducks, Blackhawks and Penguins that much greater than the Habs?

      If the Penguins had a reliable goaltender I’d call them unbeatable, but as long as Fleury’s between their pipes I’m confident and would even pick our Habs to beat them in a seven game series.

      The Bruins? Rask hasn’t had a 48 game season in the NHL let alone a 60-70 game season. And they’ll need that from him at a high level to win it all.

      The Blackhawks are full of holes from a depth perspective and while I like Corey Crawford you can file them under the inconsistent goaltending category.

      The Ducks? See The Blackhawks.

      This thing’s wide open and if there were ever a time to grab a rental this is it, provided you can get value for what you’re giving up.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Just being pulled into a meeting! Good question though, so my quick response is that those teams have all won Cups with essentially the same core that they have in place right now.

        Even our unlikely ’10 run was done with a predominantly different team. These teams have all been consistently in the mix for the past few seasons with the guys they still have. I think that’s what we should be running for…not the one run and down Hurricanes type model, but a consistently in the mix, every year model.

        No team is going to win 5 Cups in a row with the parity in the league these days, but I think that there is a class of teams that are pretty much always in the conversation and the Habs are positioning themselves to be one of them. But we need to hold on to the key pieces we have coming up and continue drafting really well in order to get there.

        Sorry, gotta run!

      • johnnylarue says:

        I’d agree with you if regular season stats actually meant anything, but they so often don’t. I know it’s a cop-out, but parity makes the playoffs an absolute toss-up. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a team come out of left field and take the prize this year. All about getting hot at the right time.

        I think Bergevin has his sights set primarily on building a team that makes the playoffs every year, and I can’t see him wanting to trade picks from an above-average draft year to add a rental player. File under: Strong Hunches.

  59. New says:

    Show was really interesting, even the pizza ads (sorry Videotron:-). To hear Demers speak so knowingly about the guys who gave so much for that Cup gives you insight into why it is the toughest trophy in sports to win.

  60. ed says:

    good people like demers should be encouraged to work for us as politicians should they not?

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    PK is on pace for a 30 goal, 72 point season.

    Last year Norris trophy winner Erik Karlsson had 19 goals and 78 points.

  62. Habitforming says:

    Isn’t Morrow married to Carbonneau’s daughter?

  63. Chuck says:

    A desk? You guys are movin’ on up!

    Seriously, though… Morrow to the Pens? Iggy to the Booins? I demand that Bergevin get off his butt and DO SOMETHING in response, like mortgage the future of the team by trading for bloated, long-term contracts for over-the-hill-players and ill-advised short-term rentals!

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  64. RazzleDazzle says:

    Anyone else having problems getting the live show to work on the iphone?

  65. Kooch7800 says:

    Bulldogs sign a Amateur Try-Out Contract contract to Matt Grass a 6 foot 4 220 pound D man from B.C. who played at Michigan state university

    http://www.hamiltonbulldogs.com/pressbox/news/index.html?article_id=334

    “Keep your stick on the Ice”

  66. Bripro says:

    Stu, if you ever have Mr Demers back, you might want to ask him a follow up question to his comment about enjoying having to see his name in the paper and how it flatters his ego.
    My question would be: “If you like being seen in a positive light, why in God’s name did you enter politics?”

  67. The Dude says:

    I say we go intersport and sign Beckham….he can replace Kaberle :roll:

  68. HabFanSince72 says:

    Is it too late to tank?

  69. CalgaryHab says:

    I read that Dreger reported that the Bruins were on Iginla’s short list of accepted trades.
    As a Flames season ticket holder that would absolutely make me puke to see Iggy in the B’s uni. From the utmost respect to instant loathe.
    Also, JBouw is not the habs answers on D – he may eat up minutes but remember they’re Calgary minutes which has one of the worst GA’s in the league, no offensive upside either. (not since he’s been a flame anyway)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Respect your opinion as obviously you watch them a great deal. Was JBouw that ineffective when he first arrived also? Interesting to me how he could go from such high regard in Florida to being considered an overrated and overpaid average Defenceman.

      I suppose that is easily done on a very poor squad in Florida. Thanks for your input, and I agree about Iginla. It has been easy to enjoy and cheer for this guy from afar and I would hate to see him in a Bruins jersey, he has far too much class and credibility for that organization. :)

      • CalgaryHab says:

        Unfortunately as soon as he arrived he never lived up to the hype. At the time Sutter was praised for making the moves he did as it felt the Flames were just a few pieces away from being strong contender.
        There is a culture in Calgary that isn’t good and after 4 years of no playoffs they are (I believe) going to blow it up. I don’t Feaster is the guy that should be at the helm and he has proved that with the band aids he provided and the O’reilly fiasco.

      • Bripro says:

        Although I can’t claim to know where Igy wants to go, I don’t see how an athlete who knows how to respect people and nay a negative on anyone (that I’ve ever heard, anyhow) would want to go play with a group of whiners! (note the spelling… that’s whiners, not winners).
        I’m sure he’d go through massive withdrawals as a Bruin, having to listen to Julien with his blinders, Marchand telling the media how PK embellishes while John Steward shows the rat’s true side and Lucic and Chara the goons, who care about no one but themselves.
        Iginla should add the Habs to his wish list.
        At least with that, he is assured divine intervention.

    • I’m glad you mentioned J-Bow, I was pretty big on him until the last real opinions form Calgary.

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  70. habstrinifan says:

    Absolute imrpovement in the show Stu. Everyone’s more relaxed etc.. and the ‘guest’ is the centre of attention. Well done. Glad to see the changes. Keep up the goood work.

  71. chanchilla says:

    lol @ the poll results, PK’s great, and is going to have a lot of Norris seasons, but up to now this season, it isn’t one of them. Not because i think he has played poorly, or because he isn’t good enough to deserve the norris, but because there are a large number of candidates that should receive it ahead of him.

  72. arcosenate says:

    Buyer beware? Love the thought of Clowe but this article doesn’t exactly inspire confidence, especially at a price of a pick and a prospect:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/sharks/ci_22827304/san-jose-sharks-ryane-clowe-still-struggling

    • Kooch7800 says:

      We have a few 2nd rounders this year. Maybe give a 2nd rounder and a weak prospect like Steve Quailer

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

      • arcosenate says:

        He must be playing hurt but the coach isn’t cutting him any slack according to that article.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think he is a great deal like Prust in that he will play through pain until he physically cannot. I seem to recall Prust wincing in pain 4 or 5 games before he finally left the game, when he was hit into boards by McDonagh I believe.

          CLowe is a warrior, but most likely is playing with a very bad shoulder. If he was healthy and could be signed to a contract I would love to have him on our team.

          • Luke says:

            Trade for him, and sign him while he’s hurt so you have the soon to be healthy Clowe looked up before he hits Free Agency…

          • Kooch7800 says:

            I think that Clowe should be looked at long term for the reasons you state above. He could help us out with physicality for the next few years if he could be retained.

            He also has an offensive upside more so that Prust even. Prust has other strengths though (Speed, penalty killing etc) that Clowe doesn’t

            I would agree his shoulder injury doesn’t instill confidence for this year

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Luke and Kooch, good points guys. Perhaps MB will be crafty enough to do something like that.

  73. shiram says:

    I’d still rather a trade than a rental, it seems to me this team’s contending window is just opening up this season.
    No need to be desperate yet.

    • The Jackal says:

      That’s a good way to put it. We are becoming contenders, with the right moves we can be a contender for years.

    • JF says:

      Agreed. The goal is not one Cinderella run, but the ability to be contenders year in year out. We have an outside chance this year if the team is healthy and everything else falls in place, but our chances will be better in a couple of years. I think if Bergevin does anything, it will be to add a bit more muscle, and the player he picks up will not be anyone whose name has been floating around on the rumour boards. I also think he won’t go for a rental unless other circumstances (injuries, etc.) justify it, and he won’t give up much.

      • Loonie says:

        As much as I agree with the idea of building something with longevity. Adding a rental for a second or third round pick won’t set this club back in that path.

        It has plenty of picks and prospects in the system.

        • shiram says:

          With B. Morrow going for a 1st round pick prospect, what kind of return can we expect from our 2nd or 3rd round picks?
          Maybe a third pairing D or some 3rd liner?

          • Loonie says:

            Morrow has a great pedigree so I’m not surprised at the return. Second and third round picks get solid returns at the deadline.

    • showey47 says:

      I wouldn’t mind see a trade for someone who is going to be a ufa as long as its someone who the habs are interested in signing to another contract. Especially if we are giving up higher picks or prospects to acquire.

  74. Ozmodiar says:

    Look at those ugly mugs!
    ;)

  75. Bripro says:

    Great job on yet another ingenious project. Waydago Stu!
    By the way, I see you modified the set. No more sitting casually on stools.
    It looks more professional as well.

  76. otter649 says:

    Gardiner is a NHLer as he was one of the best rookies in the league last season no matter what it’s a fact…..

  77. HabinBurlington says:

    Agree, he has some special talent. He is no PK as far as both ends of the ice, but very very talented. He was a regular all last season, had a concussion this season in AHL and was able to be sent down without contractual issues. He is back up to stay in Toronto. Far more talented than Frasor, Kostka, Liles, Phaneuf etc….

  78. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    Ruff swallowed a diamond before he got fired? That’s rough.

    I don’t like the thought of Mr Pollock snapping the gloves on…

  79. hockeyRAT says:

    didnt george dance on “dancing with the stars”

  80. HabinBurlington says:

    He is excellent coach for taking bad to mid level teams up to good level. Stabilizes things.

  81. habs_54321 says:

    without markov, gorges, AND pacioretty

  82. otter649 says:

    I’m sure if Kirk Muller was asked he would say he learned alot about being a NHL Coach from JM……

  83. hockeyRAT says:

    everyone is different when it comes to this type of injury. How long was Crosby out for?

  84. Adidess says:

    Concussions are different from person to person. They are even different from first to next one.

  85. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    One doesn’t have to wonder. One has to lern about concussions and how they work.

  86. otter649 says:

    Big Georges did his job with Leafs Brad May which started when Darcy Tucker cheap shoted Frankie B into the boards so Frankie one punched Tucker who went down pretty easy so Brad May went after Frankie who didn’t do so well so BGL went after May who barely hung in with Georges but that’s the way The Code or don’t beat up my guy works in The NHL if done correctly……..lol

  87. ffenliv says:

    I’d do it straight up, but I’m a Habs fan, and not the Preds’ GM. And if I were in charge in Nashville, I wouldn’t be for long after making that deal.

  88. Landof10000lakesHab says:

    Uh, okay sir. But Murt and Aloysius will have to sign Xes as only four of us can write.

  89. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …no

  90. otter649 says:

    Preds can’t trade Weber until a year after his contract was signed….

  91. HardHabits says:

    I didn’t think that qualified as a thought either.

  92. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Play until you win…works in the NBA.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  93. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    If that happens, not sure if it would increase or decrease calls to acquire a rental…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  94. Sportfan says:

    Maybe we can stop the Bakers dozen from happening :P

    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  95. The Dude says:

    tain’t happening bro…..infarct I’ll even guarantee a Booins beat-down. Which might be the thang MB needs to get some truculence :) for the play-offs!


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