HI/O bonus video: Taking a look at alternative training for hockey players

Strength and conditioning coach Scott Berish and Keif Orsini of Rapid Hockey Development take us through their alternative mental and physical training methods for hockey players. 

Photo: Allen McInnis / MONTREAL GAZETTE

 

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  1. on2ndthought says:

    new, slow, thread

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    “Please. This isn’t a bar fight. Have some class.” – Adrian Tepes

  2. 24 Cups says:

    A new arena rights deal between Scotiabank and Maple Leaf Sports & Entertainment, worth a reported $800 million, will see Toronto’s Air Canada Centre get a new name – Scotiabank Arena.

    This is just another blatant reminder that we should govern our loyalty and fandom accordingly when it comes to the ‘game’ of hockey and our favourite ‘teams’. It’s nothing personal, HIO. It’s strictly business.

  3. piper says:

    Player/Fighter: Danny Gare.

  4. GrimJim says:

    Anyone have an opinion on the American Gods series? Is it worth investing the time to binge watch?

    • bwoar says:

      100x yes, well worth it.

      If you like Ian McShane, he’s always terrific and here again. But the real star is this hallucinating nightmare of a roadtrip that Shadow and Wednesday are on while coming across all the various characters…. when the TVs start talking… oh man if you like crazy TV shows, this is definitely it and then some.

      Also extremely NSFW.

      Note that season 1 doesn’t cover the whole book, maybe half.

      Anansi was my fave — definitely check it out

    • Le Revenant says:

      My friend has been bugging me to watch it for a couple months now, he’s dying to talk about it but doesn’t want to spoil it.

      Based on a novel by Neil Gaiman. I’m waiting to read the book first, before I watch.

  5. B says:

    RDS will be showing all the Habs preseason games, but the game on Sept 23rd in Ottawa is on RDS-2 (I think TSN may also be showing that one). I’m not sure if the RDS and TSN regional coverage restrictions apply to preseason games too.

    http://www.rds.ca/hockey/canadiens/calendrier

    –Go Habs Go!–

  6. 25soonenough says:

    Can somebody more savy than I help me out here?

    I live in Calgary and as far as I can tell the TSN broadcasts of Habs games will be regional only.

    Is Sportsnet still showing games nationally?
    Is there a good, non perilous, streaming site available?
    Is there an option other than NHL Center Ice?

    thanks.

    –Larry Robinson was my neighbor once….

    • Strummer says:

      Rogers Game Centre Live

      -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-

    • Uxbdad says:

      Know where you are coming from. We looked at a ton of options, but found that all streaming sites screwed up the computer eventually. Even links from reddit caused problems. Our final solution was to get the $60 french centre ice tv package, available from bell or rogers (not sure about west providers like shaw). No hassles, great quality. Good luck.

    • Strummer says:

      Forgot about the rogers French Package for out of region subscribers

      https://gamecentrelive.rogers.com/en/support-game-availability-flb/

      -Some folks really have trouble letting go of stuff, eh?-

    • GrimJim says:

      I live just outside Calgary and I have just bit the biscuit and bought NHL center ice for the past two years. TSN east broadcasts are blacked out. RDS blacked out. I don’t get home from work until the first period is over so streaming doesn’t work for me. Plus I get caught up on the “perilous” portion of the streaming sites. I usually just tape the game on my dvr and watch it at my leisure.

  7. B says:

    Rene Bourque signed with Djurgårdens (SHL)
    Pirri signed a PTO with Florida

    –Go Habs Go!–

  8. B says:

    Some upcoming Canadiens / Rocket / NHL dates:

    Sept 8 7:00 pm Rookie Tournament in Toronto, Montreal vs Ottawa
    Sept 9 7:00 pm Rookie Tournament in Toronto, Montreal vs Toronto
    Sept 11 Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation Golf Tournament
    Sept 14? Training starts with physicals
    Sept 15? Training camp on ice sessions begin
    Sept 17 1:00 pm Red vs White Intrasquad Scrimmage
    Sept 18 7:00 pm Habs vs Bos at QC (Habs’s first preseason game)
    Sept 20 7:00 pm Caps vs Habs (preseason)
    Sept 21 7:00 pm NJ vs Habs (preseason)
    Sept 21 Vancouver vs LA in Shanghai China (preseason)
    Sept 23 7:00 pm Habs at Ott (preseason)
    Sept 23 LA vs Vancouver in Beijing China (preseason)
    Sept 24 Hockeyville USA game, St. Louis vs Pittsburgh in Belle Vernon, PA
    Sept 25 7:00 pm Habs at Leafs (preseason)
    Sept 25 Hockeyville Canada game, Ottawa vs NJ in O’Leary, PEI
    Sept 27 7:00 pm Habs vs Tor at QC (preseason)
    Sept 29 7:00 pm FLA vs Habs (preseason)
    Sept 30 7:00 pm Ott vs Habs (last Habs’ preseason game)
    Sept 30 3:00 pm Belleville & Laval (Rocket’s first preseason game)
    Oct 1 3:00 pm Belleville & Laval (preseason)
    Oct 5 7:00 pm Habs open the season in Buffalo
    Oct 6 7:30 pm Laval Rocket season and home opener vs Belleville
    Oct 10 7:30 pm Habs home opener vs Chicago
    Nov 10 & 11 Colorado vs Ottawa in Stockholm Sweden
    Dec 16 Montreal vs Ottawa outdoor in Ottawa
    Jan 1 Buffalo vs Rangers outdoor in NYC
    Jan 27 & 28 All star week-end in Tampa
    Mar 3 Toronto vs Washington outdoor in Annapolis Maryland

    –Go Habs Go!–

  9. Psycho29 says:

    Best player & fighter….Might not be number-1 but these guys were pretty tough:

    Bill Guerin:
    Goals 429
    PIM 1660
    Fights 100
    This beauty with Mike Keane:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdmaZOMr7Jo

    Al Secord:
    Goals 273
    PIM 2093
    Fights 209
    In 2 seasons from 1981-83 he scored 98 goals and had 483 PIMs

  10. Le Revenant says:

    Jarome Iginla was a good suggestion for our best player best fighter list, he’s on there now.

    It got me thinking that Todd Bertuzzi might need to be on there, but I don’t think he meets the ‘best player’ definition, and neither did he fight enough to be worthy?

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    « Il m’a cross-checké, je l’ai cross-checké. Il m’a ensuite dit : “Sais-tu qui je suis?” Je lui ai répondu: “Je ne sais pas qui tu es, mais si tu veux savoir qui je suis, on peut y aller”. Il n’a pas jeté les gants et ç’a fini là. » –Bokondji Imama

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • krob1000 says:

      Brendan Shanahan, Gary Roberts, Rick Tocchet

    • bwoar says:

      Bertuzzi – 31 fights
      Iginla – 81 fights

      compare to say, Chris Simon – 121 incl. 10 KHL fights.

      Bertuzzi was hard to play against but not in their league. I can’t believe in 03-04 Simon had 16 fights.

      Krzysztof ‘The Polish Assassin’ Oliwa with a record 34 fights in 1997-98. Dude fought Chara, Worrell, Nazarov, all the giants.

  11. Le Revenant says:

    Okay, now get Simon Després on a PTO…

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    « Il m’a cross-checké, je l’ai cross-checké. Il m’a ensuite dit : “Sais-tu qui je suis?” Je lui ai répondu: “Je ne sais pas qui tu es, mais si tu veux savoir qui je suis, on peut y aller”. Il n’a pas jeté les gants et ç’a fini là. » –Bokondji Imama

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  12. B says:

    For Canadiens prospect Noah Juulsen, however, Kevin Bieksa provides inspiration. Juulsen, who grew up in the Vancouver area, says he tries to model his game after the scrappy veteran, a former Canuck and current Anaheim Duck.

    http://www.torontosun.com/2017/08/28/5-things-we-learned-at-the-nhlpa-rookie-showcase

    –Go Habs Go!–

  13. B says:

    “It doesn’t matter to me, I’ve been playing all over the place,” Drouin said prior to taking the ice at an Octagon training camp session at Lower Canada College. “In the past few years, I’ve played left, right and a little bit of centre, wherever they want me, I can definitely play centre. I played a full year there in junior. I’m definitely not going to be nervous if that’s where they want to use me.”

    http://montrealgazette.com/sports/hockey/nhl/montreal-canadiens/canadiens-jonathan-drouin-yes-i-can-play-centre

    –Go Habs Go!–

  14. B says:

    Jeremy Grégoire’s younger brother Thomas (an undrafted Dman who led the Sherbrooke Phoenix last season with 64 points in 66 games) is attending Colorado’s rookie tournament / camp on an ATO.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  15. FormalWare says:

    Loving the lists of “greats” and the rationales.

    I brought up the distinction between the skills/talents that make a player (phenomenally) good at hockey and the traits and accomplishments that prompt us to call that player “great”.

    Hockey skills would obviously include: Skating, passing, shooting, vision/awareness, puck management, game management (playing the score/clock, or with a lead vs. from behind). Smart/strong play without the puck. And for goalies: Goaltending! (Etc.)

    Attributes of greatness: WINNING (esp. Cups), leadership, determination, work ethic, inspiring one’s teammates, intimidating one’s opponents. (And other intangibles.)

    The all-time Habs who had both lists nailed, in spades: Maurice Richard, Jean Beliveau, Patrick Roy. Honourable mention to Doug Harvey, Guy Lafleur, Larry Robinson, Bob Gainey, Jacques Plante, Henri Richard, Toe Blake, Saku Koivu.

    Whom have I overlooked? Whom have I overpraised?


    Montréal Canadiens: “Season after season under the same, low ceiling.” – D.M.

  16. Habfan17 says:

    With the Rookies reporting soon and the rookie tournament coming up, I would think there could be a new thread by now!

    Habfan17

  17. JoshM says:

    This is my prediction for the Habs of 2017-18. I tend to see it as realistic given the teams’ available talent level.
    At best this club will be fighting with the Sens for 3rd spot in the division, I can easily anticipate a struggle for them to make a wildcard spot.
    Why? Well, they have a severely depleted defense corps. This group looks like possibly the weakest bunch I have seen on the Habs for a long, long time. They have very few puck handlers, limited physical d-men, and very little mobility. Price will certainly earn his cash, now and in the future as management has decided that with the “WORLDs GREATEST GOALIE” they won’t give up that many goals regardless of who they plunk on the d. A big mistake that!
    On the offensive side of things it becomes apparent that they possess at best one and a half lines. Yes, one and a half lines. This means that this team will be easy to shut down. All the other teams will have to do is bump the few offensive forwards and that’s all for the offense.
    Look for a shuttle going between their farm team and NHL somewhere around the end of January. One bright spot may well be Plekanecs’ ultimate replacement, Martin Reway. Oh, and while we’re at it, let us wave goodbye to Max Pacioretty, he will not be a Montreal Canadien next year.

  18. Habby_Haberton says:

    Today at the golf tournament, Julien says he wants to see what Drouin can do at centre – also says hasn’t closed door on Galchenyuk at centre.

  19. DipsyDoodler says:

    Best fighter best player combo: after Larry Robinson I’d pick Mel Bridgeman.

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    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Chara.

      • Luke says:

        Oh, jeez… Ya.
        Without a doubt.

        He’s a giant, which gives him the advantage… but he’s also really strong, and really good at it, too.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          Undone by his cowardice unfortunately.

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          • Mavid says:

            Yep..cannot count how many times I saw him pull a jersey over the guys head..and then pound away..pretty dirty..considering he doesn’t need to resort to those kind of tactics..plus the whole Max thing..I don’t care what anyone says..he did it on purpose..looking for payback..

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          • Luke says:

            Jerseying a guy isn’t dirty… it’s fundamental.
            It’s, like, the holy grail of face-punching. On the ice or on the playground.
            You get to embarrass AND pummel the clown.

            Also: I’m surprised no one has mentioned Iginla in this discussion yet.

          • Mavid says:

            Disagree..when your 10 feet tall..you should not have to resort to this sort of thing..maybe not dirty..but really really classless..

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            Weed Wacker – and Flamethrower Grandma Smurf

    • HabinBurlington says:

      There was a guy named Mr. Hockey who pretty much every player in the league was afraid of.

      • Don Birnam says:

        Yes.
        Mr. Hockey is my pick,followed by Big Bird.
        “Elbows up, Head on a Swivel”
        Saludos Amigo!

        https://youtu.be/cqBz1zaWD8w
        Viva Timo Libre!

      • Le Revenant says:

        I asked in the original post whether he or Maurice Richard merit inclusion on the best player and best fighter list, specifically because I’m unaware whether they fought ‘enough’. I know that Gordie was legendary for his toughness, but the stories usually involve elbows and stickwork. Maurice had this famous toughness to play through injuries and intimidation, how he’d sometimes snap and destroy other players, but again, I don’t know how frequently he fought.

        • The Big E says:

          I remember hearing about Jean Beliveau, how when he came into the league he got “taken advantage of” a lot, and then in his second season he figured out he needed to let everyone know not to do that … and led the league in penalty minutes.

          We always think of him in light of his post-playing-days “grand old gentleman” image, and he certainly had a lot of respect during his playing days for his grace and charisma … but I bet it didn’t hurt that guys knew to not mess with him.

    • Le Revenant says:

      I don’t get the joke. Are you making fun of Mel Bridgeman’s mustache, his underwhelming, near-bust of a career as a first overall pick, or his stint as the Ottawa Senators GM?

  20. Luke says:

    Eric Gelinas on a PTO, eh?

    • bwoar says:

      Ugh. It’s a feel-good PR move, make a headline, empty gesture kind of thing, but I know one guy on here who’s gonna get a kick outta this.

      I’d rather see them spend more time with the LD they have under contract than give this schlub more reps on the ice. You know, when you can’t stick with the Avalanche….

      • Luke says:

        Yah! Feelin’ Good! Why Not, Horsey?

        I like things that make me feel good!

        Especially when there’s, like, a month before anything meaningful happens! Pretend it’s three years ago, and HIO is still upset that Habs missed out on this no-doubt, can’t miss, almost-a-homeboy stud defenseman who was playing right in their own backyard!!!

        It’s like getting a shiny red apple when you know your oats are still half a day away! Don’t you love apples?

        • bwoar says:

          Yessir, if I fire up the ol’ time machine this signing looks grand indeed.

          There’s always hope that the water in Jersey is what’s threw his game off, and all he needs is a taste of Montreal’s nightlife to jolt him back on track.

          MB, digging in that dumpster, gonna find hisseff a shiny new #1LD down there somewhere….

    • HabinBurlington says:

      2 Years ago I would have been very excited about getting him. Not sure what happened to his game.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Another PP option (abet a long shot) is what I guess management is rolling the dice on.

        Streit + Jerabek + Schlemko + Gelinas = Markov? No way.

      • Luke says:

        It’s odd. Two decent seasons in NJ, and then… splat.

        Let’s say it was mismanagement in two dysfunctional operations and some injuries.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Two orgs. that were definitely going through changes. Not sure Colorado has yet to figure out how to unpack the Brita. But it appears Shero is starting to understand how to filter the Hudson water for his players.

      • Le Revenant says:

        I wonder if he’s the kind of defenceman who the game has suddenly passed by, like Jarred Tinordi or Cody Franson. Éric is a big dude, might not be mobile enough for the modern game. Maybe he can adjust, lean out some and squeeze out as much mobility as he can out of his big frame, then make a living as a guy who kills penalties, clears out the front of the net, and hammers home a dozen pucks a season with his big shot.

    • Le Revenant says:

      Nice! No risk, unless another team swoops in with an actual contract offer. I was reading yesterday that Marc Bergevin was trying to unload one of his leftie defencemen, probably Brandon Davidson, so he could sign Éric Gélinas and not get too close to the 50-contract limit.

      This way, we get to have our cake and eat it too. I can’t imagine he wouldn’t accept starting the season in Laval, seeing as he hasn’t gotten a contract offer yet, in late August.

    • on2ndthought says:

      My guess is he’s trying out for a job in Laval on some one-way money.

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      • Le Revenant says:

        We’re at 46 contracts right now, doesn’t seem too tight for me, but apparently Marc Bergevin doesn’t like being so close to 50. Certainly an AHL contract would be great, get the guy in the fold, and if we need to call him up upgrade him, but I don’t think his agent would let him do that.

  21. SlovakHab says:

    Hi all!!
    Super long time member of HIO, haven’t posted in a while…

    I am strongly considering my first ever trip to Canada… Saw flight tickets to Montreal for the 4-10 December week, which has 3 home games for the Habs and 2 home AHL games.

    I am sure I’ll be able to score AHL tickets, but will it be possible to get NHL tickets anywhere? That’s my primary reason to visit Montreal for the first time in my life.

    Blues (Tue), Flames (Thu) and Oilers (Sat) at home…

    Will I be able to see at least 2 of these games, and how much should I budget for tics?

    What should I not miss in Montreal?

    Many thanks!!

  22. 24 Cups says:

    The Boston Bruins have offered restricted free-agent David Pastrnak a long-term contract with an average annual value of $6 million a season over 6 or 7 years. Is that enough in light of the new McDavid factor on salary caps? Edmonton overpaid for Draisaitl but that doesn’t matter anymore. The new standard has been set for star players leaving their entry level contracts. In light of Boston’s past history with young star players, could there be a holdout situation with Pasternak? What about McAvoy? In three years he could be the new star Dman in the league. When do the Bruins start learning from pervious mistakes with Kessel, Seguin and Hamilton?

  23. Mavid says:

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  24. krob1000 says:

    Anyone wondering if there are any KHlers that have “out clauses” have after Olympics? is that even possible?

  25. RightNyder says:

    Brian Wilde‏ @BWildeRecrutes
    Allow me to brag up my colleague @grantmccagg for a second. It was he who I first heard say “think JD’s gonna be tried at center, not AG”.

    Drouin as a 1C?

    • krob1000 says:

      wasn’t that whole point of getting Drouin? instead of being force fed guys who would not be on any other teams top 6 in every offensive role possible we will get force fed Drouin….fine by me…will be most dynamic Hab player of last 30 years IMO. Drouin is a kid who I feel under pressure….will welcome the challenge….his skill has always been otherworldly and he has shown ability to take over games….I also feel he is a player who has a bit of a need to feel wanted….he will be wanted and will deliver….best acquisition possible for MB…only Patrice Bergeron is better as a Francophone IMO right now and at some point over next couple of years that title will be Drouin’s…

      This is much better than watching Danault or DD who were in tough to make a top 9 role as NHLers on many teams playing top line role while legitimate prospects have their developmental years wasted ( I will say right now Danault is improved and improving…but still IMO is ideal no 3). Could Chucky do it? no 1 C? absolutely….but Drouin IMO was brought in to assume that role…or at least to be the new face of the franchise for next several years (that isn’t Carey)…..I also think this may be part of why MB signed Price…between he and Weber Drouin will have guys to share the burden…but make no mistake…he will be the new DD/Danault as far as usage and opportunity go…and you know what? he is good enough that team will benefit from it…and if it doesn’t work? he will get TWO top forwards to play with and still be focal point …if he does not work out he will be sheltered regardless….and like I keep saying he will deliver. I believe in Drouin.

      Over the next 5-10 years is there a better Francophone player to have? Bergeron? Huberdeau? Couturier (born in usa but father from Quebec and mother franco also)…Drouin is best available guy….great move in all regards

      http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/province/active-nhl-players-born-in-quebec-career-stats.html

  26. PK says:

    Since we are doing lists, how about the rats?

    Dale Hunter
    Tiger Williams
    Ken Linseman
    Keith Acton
    Brad Marchand
    Andrew Shaw
    Nazem Kadri
    ?
    ?

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    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

    • krob1000 says:

      How do you not have Claude Lemieux near top of that list?

      • PK says:

        My error. Can’t recall all rodents on one sitting.

        🙂

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        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

        • krob1000 says:

          no prob…but as a Hab fan can’t help but think of Lemiuex right away….in general perhaps greatest ever who earned title but was also a star would be Bobby Clarke. Esa Tikkanen for me growing up was a great pest too. Then you have the infamous Sean Avery.

          • PK says:

            Good additions to the list.
            Esa Tikkanen – a very good hockey player, perhaps not as rat-like as the others; difficult to play against.
            Sean Avery? Yep. Definitely should be on the list.

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            “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

            – Nostradamus, 1552

      • on2ndthought says:

        Lemieux was my first reaction too, krob and PK. How about Lappy Lapierre?

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        “Please. This isn’t a bar fight. Have some class.” – Adrian Tepes

    • Le Revenant says:

      Nevin Markwart.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Matt Cooke.

      Acton wasn’t a rat – just feisty.

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    • Cheech says:

      Doug Risebourgh

    • Mavid says:

      Interesting tid bit..Steve Linseman (brother of Ken) taught my two sons Phys Ed and Science in grade 7 at the local public elementary school in our area.. in 1991 and 1998..whenever we would have parent teacher meetings we spent most of our time talking about hockey and Ken.Steve told us that even though he did not make anywhere near the cash the newer players were making, he had invested his earnings wisely, he retired a millionaire at a very young age..

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  27. on2ndthought says:

    EA rates the D differently than NHL.com:

    http://bit.ly/2wEcjKB

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  28. on2ndthought says:

    HEOTP with some surprising analytics on D.:

    http://bit.ly/2vEzakW

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  29. Le Revenant says:

    If we did the best player and toughest fighter list, it would go:

    1) Larry Robinson

    3) 2) Clarke Gillies
    4) 3) John Ferguson
    5) 4) Cam Neely
    2) 5) Bob Probert
    6) ?

    9) Jarome Iginla
    10) Wendel Clark ?

    Anyone else want to pitch in? Do Gordie and Maurice Richard belong on here? What about Brendan Shanahan? I have a soft spot for Rick Tocchet, maybe due to his Team Canada stints, might be the only Flyer tough guy I could ever stomach. Well, with Tim Kerr, but we’re starting to deviate, not sure Tim Kerr fought enough to be on this list.

    Help?

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • on2ndthought says:

      Currently: Simmonds? Foligno? Evander Kane?

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      “Please. This isn’t a bar fight. Have some class.” – Adrian Tepes

    • G00SE says:

      Hmm! Bobby Nystrom, Terry O’Reilly, Geordie Howe, Wendel Clark to name a few

    • deggy24 says:

      Good list .. but Gillies over Probert for sure. 4 cups in a row on the first line. Met Clarke at a rugby dance in Moose Jaw during the off season. One of my pals innocently went pie eyed over his lady. Handled with the grace and greatness that he was by Clarke .. drafted by the Houston Astros as a catcher when he was 18 ..

      • Le Revenant says:

        Yeah, I just threw some names up there, was looking for feedback. I’ll adjust Probert and Gillies. Bob Probert was a good player for an enforcer, while Clark Gillies excelled in both areas.

  30. on2ndthought says:

    In reply to FormalWare:
    I would argue that Messier wasn’t really good enough at playing hockey to make the Pantheon. Guy was, but as noted below, still can’t crack my top ten.

    Being effective for a long career did count, so Orr and Lemieux both drop mid pack for me (though Mario was the very best at playing hockey well for a period in his career).

    While reputation also played a role, I didn’t include Aurel Joliat or Howie Morenz, etc, as comparisons are too difficult for me to make.
    Most current players are better coached and trained, and would dominate if ‘time-traveled’ back. There is no way to level this effect, but domination within a generation becomes the measuring stick to balance history.

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  31. DipsyDoodler says:

    Here’s another top ten list.

    10. Ovechkin
    9. Makarov
    8. Fedorov
    7. Bure
    6. Larionov
    5. Datsyuk
    4. Vasiliev
    3. Mikhailov
    2. Kharlamov
    1. Tretiak

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