Video from practice

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The Canadiens were on the ice at 11:30 a.m. Wednesday in Brossard.
Then the team boarded an early-afternoon charter flight to Boston.
The Bruins – a team as good or better than the mighty St. Louis Blues – await.

Therapy day for Carey Price and Max Pacioretty.

Brian Gionta’s upper-body injury will be evaluated. The captain is not making the trip to Boston.

Scott Gomez is skating and will make the trip.

Yannick Weber worked on power-play drills and will return to the lineup against the Bruins

442 Comments

  1. Phil C says:

    I can’t figure out why Montreal’s neutral zone trap is so ineffective this year. Last night, they were playing the 1-2-2 right from the beginning, but St. Louis was having no trouble getting into Montreal’s end. I’ve noticed this in other games as well. All of the blown leads this year were when Montreal was protecting the lead with the 1-2-2 and the other team had no trouble gaining the zone. I thought the trap was supposed to create neutral zone turn-overs. Are the Habs playing the trap too passively, or are teams just better at beating the trap?

    On the other hand, St. Louis were sending two guys on the puck all night while maintaining lots of back pressure even when Montreal got past the forecheck. Montreal had 21 giveaways last night due to all the puck pressure. That’s a lot considering they only have 142 giveaways for the season so far, according to NHL.com.

    • HardHabits says:

      Habs are two small to play the trap. Hence all the injuries. Teams just barrel right through them. JM had them playing way over their heads. That and unsustainable goal tending. This team as constructed even with Price in nets is at best a .400 team. They have regressed to the mean.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        HH, size probably is part of it but we had more success with the trap in the past with essentially the same players. IMO I think its more effort and energy. Team looks lethargic on many nights and it shows more defensively.

        • powdered toastmann says:

          While we’re on the topic of size…could it be possible that they’re (at least partially) worn down already? (half way through the season)

    • G-Man says:

      It’s a result of the forwards being too passive. There is no price for an opponent to pay when they clear their zone and head into the neutral zone.
      St. Louis players weren’t turning away last night; they kept hitting and skating hard without letting up.

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    • gmur says:

      IMO they are not aggressive enough. For that system to work, players have to be skating hard and positioning themselves intelligently. The Habs are supposed to have sacrificed size for speed and heart, neither of which they are showing this year. Last night they were really shown up by a team that outskated them all night. Yet, Montreal has the skaters… when they want to skate.

    • J_P says:

      The team was coasting last night. Sure the habs are an easy team to play against, but if they’re giving 100%, they shouldnt be THAT easy to play against. Our powerplay is our biggest problem. Small, speedy teams cant grind down the opposition, we have to capitalize on the PP to win games.

      If we were a top-10 powerplay team this year, I think that alone makes us a playoff team.

  2. gmur says:

    Just read RDS front page. Cammalleri is being blasted by the French press because of an interview with La Presse’s Francois Gagnon where he points fingers at ‘losers’ in the room, the fact Cunneyworth isn’t giving him enough ice time… and then says that even if the team is playing badly this season, he’s a better hockey player than he’s ever been…

    For 6 million a season, let’s see how his stats add up around with a few players around the league.

    Cammi-donna has 22 points so far.
    Teddy Purcell, TB, has 21.
    Garbiel Landeskog, Col, has 21.
    Alex Tanguay, Cal has 22.
    Nick Leddy, Chi, has 20.
    Chris Higgins, Van., has 23.

    Wow. Cammi-donna is really swimming amongst the all-stars this year. I’m glad that he thinks that he’s a better player than ever. Good for him. Makes me happy to see someone else who’s happy. He seems to have applied some lipstick to a very big pig, indeed.
    Colin Wilson, Nash, has 23.. for 1.75 million…

    • G-Man says:

      Cammy mentioned a losing attitude, not losers.
      Snipers are always upset when they are not scoring because they know it’s their job.
      He was among the first on the ice, so he jokingly said he had to work harder in practice because of his reduced TOI, so of course RDS jumps on that as a criticism of his coach. As if the season isn’t going bad enough, those “reporters” are seeking dissension in the room.
      The “pig” is the Habs best playoff scorer the last 2 seasons. What have all those players you mentioned done? Let’s see- Purcell 17 pts in 18 playoff games- 6 goals. Cammy 10 pts in 7- 3 goals. In 26 playoff games with the Habs, 16goals and 13 assists. That’s some pig.

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      • gmur says:

        To be a hero in the playoffs, one has to make the playoffs first. Right now, he is doing little to nothing but whine about ice time… If you think he’s helping the team right now, you’re watching a different player…

        You’re only as good as your last game in this business, right?

        By the way, the expression, ‘Putting lipstick on a pig’ means trying to make a bad situation seem good. In other words, Cammi-donna isn’t the pig… his season is… and he’s trying to make it seem good by stating that he’s a better player than ever. Well, go out and play the damned game better than you ever have and stop flapping your lips…

    • J_P says:

      Well said. This guy, like gomez, should just learn to keep his mouth shut and do his talking on the ice. If hes scoring, and they’re losing, he can talk about “losing attitude” costing them games to the media, but if he’s not doing what hes paid handsomely to do, he should just keep his mouth shut.

  3. Mr. Biter says:

    RE BG,
    does anyone actually know his role with the Habs (no guess just fact)? Does PG listen to him or is he just an advisor being paid out his salary by the Habs for his years of service to the Habs?

    Mr. Biter

    • Rad says:

      He was said to be a “Special Consultant” to Gauthier upon Gauthier’s hiring. Mike Boone reported that Gainey was at the game against the Jets in Winnipeg, so it seems he is still a consultant to Habs brass in one capacity or another.

  4. Propwash says:

    Cammi’s comment now has everyone making a mountain out of a molehill.

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    • mb says:

      Hey, it’s Montreal. He’s a Habs player. What do you expect? :)

      I have to admit that the article by François Gagnon made it seem like a big thing, but Arpon Basu’s article kinda settles things down, I think.

  5. 24moreCups says:

    Anyone hear on TSN what Francois Gagnon said about his conversation with Cammi?

    • likehoy says:

      what?

      - If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Strummer says:

        Munchkin perhaps?

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      • 24moreCups says:

        Something along the lines of the team is playing with a losing attitude, people are afraid to make mistakes, he’s getting less ice time(not sure if that’s his excuse for not scoring).

        And Francois also said at the end Cammi apparently told him to “read between the lines” of his last comment and apparently he got the impression that Cammi was saying if it isn’t working here he wouldn’t mind going somewhere else.

        I’m not sure if that’s what he meant but that’s what Francois thinks.

    • Strummer says:

      Yeah I was listening.

      Cammy thinks he needs more ice time to get in his groove.

      Gotta earn it little guy!

      Gotta play both ends of the rink.

      -2 last night.

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  6. Rad says:

    We need to start looking at the 2012 Draft as the make or break draft for the Montreal Canadiens. We need 1 or 2 players who have the potential to step in and play immediately, and another 2 or 3 players who will play for the Habs within 2 years max. Habs need to put all their resources into scouting over the next 6 months. Let’s see if they can’t uncover a gem or 2 to turn around this sinking Hab ship. Here’s a piece written by blogger Adam French, a Canadian living in Russia, on Nikolai Prokhorkin, the last guy cut from the Russian Junior team:

    Nikolai Prokhorkin : Probably an unfamiliar name to most, but he really got my attention when he was the last guy cut from team Russia. This is his draft year and the big winger is a lock in my mind to go in the early second. He is dominating the MHL and had a brief stint in the KHL. He’s 6’2 and 189 and loves to hit like a truck. I got to see live a great hit against Magnitogorsk where he sent Apalkov flying. Despite being on a stacked team and drawing 2nd line duties, he has 14 points in 7 games. This kind of production for a guy his age is very rare, especially added with his size. He might be the most talented Russian in the draft.

    And here’s another player that French likes, Bogdan Yakimov:

    Bogdan Yakimov : The 17 year old is considered by many a guy who can challenge for 1st round status next year. He is built like a truck already and has that physical maturity scouts love. He’s 6’4 and 201lbs. While he isn’t the most skilled, he provides great faceoff ability and amazing hand-eye in front of the net. He reminds me a lot of a Martin Hanzal or Tomas Holmstrom. He’ll have a bigger role next year for Reaktor Nizhnekamsk.

  7. Mr. Biter says:

    Question:
    If there is no season next year does it cancel out all of next years contracts or do they go forward to the next year?

    Mr. Biter

  8. likehoy says:

    at this point, I’d take Gomez over Cammalleri cause at least Gomez admits he sucks and he’s still a good teammate.

    - If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

  9. mb says:

    Funny how the same topic can be reported in two different “versions”.
    Arpon Basu’s report doesn’t sound as bad as La Presse one, though it is still about Cammy’s TOI:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=611212

  10. The Cat says:

    Its interesting that both Subban and Cammalleri had ‘altercations’ with Plekanec recently…

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  11. Cardiac says:

    Useless piece of info: Brian Gionta’s younger brother Stephen is a UFA at the end of the year with New Jersey’s AHL affiliate.

    Interestingly enough, Zack Parise’s older brother Jordan also played for their farm club, along with Jay Pandolfo’s brother Mike. So at one time before Brian signed with us, you have three players on the Devil’s whose siblings also played in the organization. Wow, what was Lou smoking?

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

  12. badbalance says:

    I would trade Cammy for a team that isn’t anywhere near the top. Why would we trade a player who enjoys bringing our team down and doesn’t like to try to a team that can win the cup… Trade him to an even crappier team..

    • GoGioGo says:

      Ever heard about what they call a no-trade clause ?

      • badbalance says:

        He has NTC? crap… Maybe just keep him benched or send him to the minors lol, Since he’s working for the Habs and the Habs are paying him… We own his ass.

        • GoGioGo says:

          I would still trade him, but if he keeps running his mouth about how his teammates have a losers’ mentality and such, his value (already low IMO) will go down.

          Maybe Cuneyworth should healthy-scratch him for a game. That might stop the bitching about his ToI, don’t you think ? Better 16 minutes than zero!

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Cammy has allways seemed to me like a player who gives 100% ( even though his back checking is not the best) and he’s probably pissed off about the attitude of some players (don’t know enough about the topic) who’s he talking about. When he scores no big celebration as he knows that’s his job.

            Mr. Biter

  13. HabLou2 says:

    Well, finally. We are almost to the basement. Leaf fans start pilling it on though it will not take the Habs that many years to make the playoffs again.
    The whole team has a defeatist attitude. The leaders of the team should straighten this out, you know the captain, assistants the usual. They are not, the C should be taken from Gionta, he is not leading, he is being (what he never was) SMALL.
    We need Josh G to step up, and either you are part of the solution or you will ride the pine a lot, and yes let the young guns play. Yes we will get plastered, but they get experience and the big bucks at least get shamed.

    Hab Fan for life, even when they suck……

  14. Mr.Habby says:

    I don’t believe in trading a player just cause he’s being a baby and wants out. I say keep him and let him sulk…you only have a few good years and if you want to play disrespectively and throw your reputation on the line then so be it. These players need to be taught a lesson. You can’t start sucking just cause the team is not doing good and abandon ship. purely unprofessional and just for that i say keep him and let him suffer…heck give him 5 mins of ice time until he realizes that he’d have to earn his ice time. let him flush 2 more years of his contract and diminish his value…at this rate no team is going to pick him up or his attitude.

  15. mb says:

    Well, I seriously hope that Cammy didn’t really say that, as reported by RDS (I know, I know):

    “Personnellement, a-t-il ensuite ajouté, je n’ai pas désappris à jouer dans les 30 derniers matchs. Je sais que je suis présentement un meilleur joueur que je n’ai jamais été. J’ai pleinement confiance en mes aptitudes.”

    “Personally, I didn’t unlearn to play in the last 30 games. I know that I am presently a better player than I’ve ever been. I fully trust my aptitudes”.

    Is this a bad joke, Cammy? I thought he included himself when saying “WE are playing as losers”. Seems like he didn’t.

    EDIT: Link, for what it’s worth:
    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/333157.html

    • Mutt says:

      This is one of the problems with translation, especially if the translator has an agenda.

      Being anglo who speaks french I would translate it as
      “”Personally, he added, I have not forgotten how to play in the last 30 games. I know I am a better player now then I’ve ever been. I have full confidence in my abilities.”

      He knows he not getting results, he’d have to and he frustrated, but I glad he’s on the record not and anonymous source….

      He has faith but he’s not sure everyone does…

      • mb says:

        I’m sorry, but him saying that he’s a “better player than ever”, right after saying that the whole team plays like a bunch of losers, pretty much means that he doesn’t include himself in the “We play as losers” quote.

        Plus, he says that after a practice, not after a game under some impulsion. He knew exactly what he was about to say, and he knew exactly the reactions his words would bring.

        To me, the real translation for that is: “Ship me outta here.” Plain and simple.
        But that’s just my two cents.

        EDIT: Arpon Basu’s article is really worth the read. He puts things more in perspective.

  16. shiram says:

    Teams rise and fall, Habs are not alone, just look at the standings, Tampa, Buffalo, Washington…

  17. gmur says:

    A lot is being written about Cammi-donna, but Plekanec is also MIA. What is up with him? Is he gassed out, as Bertrand Raymond suggested last night? Injured?

  18. adamkennelly says:

    Habs are like the B league team that moves up to A – can’t really compete w/ the top end teams – literally have no chance if both teams play to the top of their abilities. small, lack of character, too easy to play against, F with no chance to get to the dirty areas necessary to score goals, no true sniper, porous D..huge problems. you know what sucks, we play the Bruins and the Rangers this week – should be looking forward to those games but no one is…this season sucks.

  19. BadHabit says:

    What the hell happened to Cammy! First season he was on fire; second season he seemed to be sulking for lack of a C or an A on his jersey; and this season he appears to have caught an acute case of Gomezitis.

    I have very little patience for players bitching about their ice time to the media. You want ToI, earn it. If you feel you need more ice time to prove yourself, speak to the coach and keep this kind of BS in the locker room – particularly in a rabid market like Montreal.

    I loved Cammy in the playoffs two seasons ago. I would hate to see him go, but this kind of attitude irks me a bit and has me questioning his motives.

  20. mb says:

    You know, when Cammy signed here and after his first season, I really wondered why both the Kings and the Flames would let him go. To me, he was captain material and he seemed to have a great work ethic. Now, and not only because of his today’s quotes, I am starting to understand more and more.
    He’s not a bad player, but he’s passive. He skates around, doesn’t do too much, waits for a pass from a teammate, doesn’t fight for the puck, and the list goes on. Not what I would call a stellar player.

    I remember Flames fans’ reactions when Calgary didn’t re-sign him and they were all talking about his bad attitude at the time. Maybe it’s just starting to show now.

    • Cardiac says:

      He will be good trade bait for a contending team come the trade deadline.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • mb says:

        I do think that if (when?) he gets traded, he’s gonna play good elsewhere. Thing is, I don’t think it will be that disappointing, since after one season with the same team, he’s gonna go back to the same attitude.

        • GoGioGo says:

          +1

          Of course there will be a lot of whiners here when he puts up good numbers elsewhere for the rest of the season, and most probably during the playoffs.

          But then he’ll cool down come October, find something to bitch about and start playing poorly again. Of course, said whiners will have mysteriously forgotten about him by then.

          I say, trade him to any team willing to give their 1st-round pick. It’s probably more than he’s worth on a long term basis. Surely he would be willing to lift his NTC if he’s headed for a contender.

      • Rad says:

        Cammy will do well with any team that has the muscle to protect a small player like him– a team like the St. Louis Blues for example. Did you notice how Chris Stewart came in to rescue Perron during that spat with Cammy in the first period? The problem with Montreal is they are ALL too small … no one there to protect their skill players, who then get bullied all over the ice every night. Cammalleri is a skill player who can light it up in the big games, but he has to be on a tough team like the Blues, or Rangers, or Dallas, or Nashville, or Minnesota, Winnipeg, Philly, or New Jersey. All of those teams are good potential suitors for Mike.

        • Mr. Biter says:

          How many posts have I posted saying we need some “Beef” to protect our smaller skill players but no one listens. BTW some one did have a good reply about us needing some “Beef” saying PG was not going to the right butcher shop. Classic reply.

          Mr. Biter

  21. Bigdawg says:

    Blow the team up!

    Fire Gomez, Gio, Cam, plek, markov, subban, gorges, gill, diaz, weber, ak, dd, price, kaberle, darche….get rid of everybody and start over..just like..an EXPANSION TEAM!!!

    Dudes there will be no one left if we get rid of everyone. If you think we would be better off, let me sell you something, anything cause I would love to TAKE your money if you are that gullible.

    not to mention there are a bunch of no trade clauses in effect to a bunch of players gomez, cam, gio and others. We can certainly bury/get rid of Gomez but not all of them not without some negative repercussions

    what we need are some good moves by a savvy GM.

    I would love to sign some tough guys UFAs like Doan (top 9) and Gaustad (4th line C with faceoff power) in the off season -IMO those two additions would transform our team also until Markov shows he can play 40-80 games without killing himself we need another top2 D – with Kabs in there – make him tough, without Kabs make him smart defensively and PP QB – easy to do? Hell no, but this is what I think we need! burying Gomez..anywhere is a good start.

    • gmur says:

      I’d try to trade veterans at the deadline for draft picks or young players. Then, try to sign someone next summer who fits what we need. Expendables:

      Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta, Gill, … and Plekanec if the price is right.

      Some of those players are acting like they want out anyways. I’m sure they would waive their no-trade clause, especially if it meant a shot at the cup. I could see a team like Detroit come after Plekanec or Gill.

  22. duffy says:

    Camalleri wants more ice time, start playing like a$ 6,000,000.player

    • wd40 says:

      Don’t look now, but Cammy will be earning 7 million next year (in contrast, Gomez’ cap hit goes down to a paltry 5.5 million).

      I’m not sure what to make of Cammy’s comments. It’s great to call a spade a spade rather than let an issue go and not get dealt with, but it seems to me he’s got a very defeatist attitude. I’m not sure what could possibly change that would make him happy at this point (more ice time? seriously?). Perhaps some people are right — he just wants out.

      • Cardiac says:

        Wrong… Cammy’s salary goes up but the cap is the same.

        As for Gomez, his salary goes DOWN and the cap stays the same… a little better for teams looking to bring up their cap to the basement level.

        “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
        - Jerry Maguire

        • Just A Guy says:

          For a team willing to take on a little term, a front loaded contract is much more attractive then a back loaded one. Cammalleri’s contract is horribly constructed, but might have been necessary to balance out what they were paying Gomez.

          Unfortunate, as the season goes on with both Cammy and Gomez being perceived as mostly ineffective, that it’s actually Gomez that becomes easier to trade as per wd40′s comment (i.e. “cap floor” teams that need higher cap hits).

      • ABHabsfan says:

        I believe the cap-hit stays the same over the entire contract, the actual salary goes down for Gomez, which could make him attractive to teams that need to spend to the cap floor. I did not know that Cammy’s salary was increasing though

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Duffy, this team is becoming tougher and tougher to root for. It looks like some have a very lax e faire attitude. We’ve fired a coach and his assistant. I think soon we’ll see some players moved. Outside of Price, PK, Gorges and Patches they can all go for all I care.

      • mb says:

        I agree. I wouldn’t care if they trade the whole team, but the ones you mentioned. Though I’d add Cole and maybe DD in there.

        I used to feel “attached” to the players who wore this jersey before. Now, not so much.

    • gmur says:

      I find it disheartening as a fan to see fatcat multi-millionaires laugh at us. We can see what’s happening on the ice. Cammi-donna doesn’t like something and he’s not putting in an honest effort. 7 million next year? I’d get rid of him. He’s playing like he wants out of Montreal, which attests to his character.

      I don’t mind a team that loses. I mind a team that doesn’t put in an honest effort. It’s poor hockey to watch.

  23. steve17 says:

    Here is what is missing, aside from some players with grit and the determination that nothing will stop them.

    I watched a special where players from the Habs 70′s teams were interviewed and asked why they were so successful, especially when they lost just 8 and then 10 regular season games. To a man the answer was the same;

    We didn’t want the teams that we saw as weaker than us, embarrassing us and we wanted the strong teams to know we were the best!

    The Habs were built to succeed, they had finess players, Lafleur and Shutt, guys that would go through the boards to win, Tremblay, Risborough, and the defence could play a skilled and tough game. They had a mix of players they could bring in against different opponents that would suit the situation a la Lupien and Chartraw.

    I don’t see a player on the current team that brings that game in and game out. The excuse that it is a long season is garbage. The travel, training, and health related services are much better today than they were in the 70′s. Maybe the players are too comfortable and they don’t appreciate what they have as much as they used to.
    The other thing the Habs players from that last run of 4 cups said was that the training was not what it is today and they partied way too much, especially compared to players today. So, I ask again, why can’t these guys do better with all these advantages? I say it is the desire to dig down and give all they have and not to quit! It is unfathomable that so many players have off nights at the same time, all the time!

    Habfan17

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Having guys Luke LaFleur, Shutt, Robinson, Lemaire, Gainey and Dryden didn’t hurt either. Those teams had arguably the best talent ever assembled on one team. There is no comparison to this bunch except the sweater.

    • Cardiac says:

      The 1970s was a completely different era in hockey. There was at least 10 fewer teams back then, there was no salary cap, and scouting was limited to North America. Not only that, we had hall of fame management and coaching

      Stop looking back to the good ol’days. Dynasties are simply not possible anymore in this era. When was the last time a team won 4 consecutive Cups? Ironically enough, the Islanders… who are not much better off than we are at the moment.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • steve17 says:

        I am not looking at the good old days, I am making the point that the players on those teams had a pride and attitude that should be applicable today. It is something that is instilled from the top down. The team that won the cup in 93 had it and they didn’t have the talent of those 70′s teams.

        Habfan17

        • Cardiac says:

          Your right, they had 10 straight overtime victories due to the strong play of the best modern-time goaltender… I see your point. But, I disagree. There are and have been many players who pride themselves on playing for this team and won squat (Damphousse, Koivu, Begin, etc.)

          “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
          - Jerry Maguire

      • steve17 says:

        It was different era and it should have been harder to win than it is today. The league was not as watered down and the good teams all had very talented players. I am not saying Montreal should have a dynasty, I was pointing out that what was really different was the pride and attitude that those players had. Having said that, there are enough hall of fame, talented people around that the Habs could bring in to run this team, Larry Robinson has said he would be interested as an assistant coach, and ther is no reason that the Habs couldn’t be just as successful as Detroit has been the last 17 years! I am not looking for a dynasty, I just want a team that doesn’t “limp” into the playoffs year after year and that finishes in the top 5 in their division. That IS possible!!

        Habfan17

    • gmur says:

      I agree. If you don’t work hard, you will not win in the NHL today, regardless of talent. I’ve been watching this team pretty closely the last three years and this season there are too many passengers. Nobody on this team plays like they want to ‘go through the boards’ and they did last year and the year before that. I can remember smaller players hitting Chara, knocking him on his arse and getting into his head. There is no more aggression. Players are waiting for others to play hard, and that’s not how you win.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Print this and frame it.

      While Habs do a lot in the community with retired players, maybe they don’t do enough with the current team.

      New vets and rookies alike need to be taught that the bar is higher in Montreal than anywhere else in terms of passion and the expectation of maximum effort.

      It is, isn’t it?

  24. LA Loyalist says:

    Just for the record, Saku had a hat-trick last night.

    LA Times:

    “A few weeks ago, the Ducks would have lost this game to the Dallas Stars. They had given up a two-goal lead in the third period, awakening thoughts of their many lapses during the first half of a season that has all but slipped away from them, and another loss probably would not have mattered.

    After a lot of soul-searching and a threat from General Manager Bob Murray that just about everyone was available in the trade market, the Ducks woke up. On Tuesday, led by Saku Koivu’s second career hat trick, they shrugged off the Stars’ comeback and pushed forward to a 5-2 win at Honda Center, ending a dismal first half of the season with a three-game winning streak and budding confidence”

    _____

    That’s what leaders do, just for the record. Is Saku past his prime? Of course. But in an important game, he found a way, as he did for us so many times.

    When was the last time Gomez or Gionta did something like that?

    • Cardiac says:

      As I posted earlier today, he is also a +10 on a horrible Ducks team. That means he would be our top +/- guy, taking into consideration Anaheim has the same goals for vs. goals against ratio than us.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • LA Loyalist says:

        As I live out here, I’ve been fortunate to see Koivu and Selanne play many shifts together, and they are just on a string together. Whomever you are cheering for, they are a pure joy to watch.

    • shiram says:

      Well if there’s really an issue in the locker room, and it’s affecting the play, good on him to come out and speak about it, it’s certainly more refreshing then the work harder spiel.

      • mb says:

        I don’t really mind the first part of it, when he’s talking about the team. But the second part where he’s blaming his lack of production because the coach doesn’t play him enough… I mean, I guess he REALLY wants to be traded.

        Plus, maybe he should look at himself in the mirror before accusing the rest of his team mates and his coaches for not playing him enough. Other players with less time than him do way better, that’s no excuse. (And doesn’t he realize that despite his bad plays and his lack of scoring, he is still used regularly on the PP?)

        • shiram says:

          I’d rather a frustated player that thinks he can improve the team, than frustrated player that does not think he can improve the team.
          Sure it’s not very PC what he said, but at least he wants to improve things.

          • mb says:

            Lead by example. Of all the players on the ice, it seriously looks like Cammy is the one with the worst attitude. No sign of will, no sign of pride and heart. Doesn’t backcheck, waits for the perfect pass at the blue line in the D-zone, afraid to get hit… Does he think he is any better than his teammates?

          • shiram says:

            Sure, he can definately play better, and should make every effort to improve his game, and score more goals.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            This is ONLY a rumour, but I heard he was very disappointed he wasn’t made Captain, and his play has suffered since. I’m not saying that’s an excuse for anything, it’s not, but it may be part of the problem. Anyone?

          • Bobcat Bob says:

            Bobcat Bob
            Absolutely correct!!!! Throw the baby out with the bath water — knee jerk reaction fans that are so incredibly negative about this team really make me sick. What’s the problem with the Habs having 40 more chances to earn points????? God some of you negative nellies need to grow up and root for your team.

    • J_P says:

      and if you watch him play it looks like hes the one leading the charge.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Hit the damned net more and we can talk

    • mb says:

      For non-french speakers:

      In brief, Cammy says that “the whole team plays like losers, so no wonder why we lose”. “When you show a losing attitude like we do presently, you lose more often than you win and you go down in the standings” “If you show a winning attitude, you won’t get disouraged because you made a mistake and you play better in order to forget that mistake”.

      AND

      “I am used to play a lot more than I do.” (Talking about a goal scored by the Blues last night): “I will take the blame on that one. That said, we were in the middle of the second period, yet I was only playing my fifth shift. Normally, I would have made about 15 big plays at this point of the game. It wasn’t the case yesterday.”

      “Cammalleri’s words clearly gave the impression that he would be anything but mad to leave Montreal by the trades limit on feb. 27th”

      Yah right, keep whining. Now that will make you play better and that will convince your coach to give you more ice time!

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      Cammalleri sounds like a loser to me. A real team guy wouldn’t be throwing the whole team under the bus when he’s having a pathetic season.

      The quote that speaks volumes to me is this one:
      “Je vais prendre le blâme sur ce jeu. J’ai couvert le mauvais joueur. Cela dit, nous étions rendus en milieu de deuxième période et j’en étais à ma cinquième présence seulement. Normalement, j’aurais effectué une quinzaine de gros jeux une fois à la mi-match. Ce ne fut pas le cas hier”

      This is in reference to the Arnott goal. For you those of you who don’t speak French, this translates to:
      “I’ll take the blame on that play. I covered the wrong player. That being said, we were in the middle of the second period and I was only on my 5th shift. Normally, I would have made about 15 big plays halfway through the game. It wasn’t the case yesterday.”

      This guy sound totally out of touch with the way he is playing out there. 15 big plays? I don’t think he’s made 15 big plays all season. He got a glorious chance in the slot and totally missed his shot. He’s playing like garbage and shows no accountability. That type of attitude is toxic.

      It seems I really misjudged this guy for the first 2 years. I actually thought he was captain material. Now, I can’t wait for him to be gone. Seems like neither can he.

      EDIT:
      Sorry, I was writing this message when the post above was made with the same quote.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      So it looks like he wouldn’t mind being traded. Question is can we get a #1 pick for him? Say Washington’s Colorado pick?

      Otherwise I like Cammi and I’d rather keep him.

    • Stooof says:

      Man… for the last couple years I always like this guy, but these comments are pretty brutal. His ego is so big he can’t even see himself anymore. He says so much here that explains his play of late, and these comments lined up with last nights game speak volumes. Last night, if you watch the replay, show a guy who has no interest in sacrificing his body for the team. He floats on the first two goals, and does absolutely NOTHING defensively. At the blue line on the first goal, he is skating as if to line up a hit along the boards, and then diverts course to skate towards the net where he looks disinterested. This guy is so full of himself he is seeing the game through cammi glasses. I am trying to think of a comparison… imagine a boxer who thinks he is the best in the world, moving his feet back and forth, bobbing and what not, but all the while taking every punch thrown at him in the face. finishes the fight still standing, says the guy got lucky for knocking him out. cammi THINKS so much of himself but has forgotten what it takes to play. I am not sure if I am stating this coherently, but that is ok. In summary, he is an inflated ego that can’t get the job done anymore.

      I hope that this is just a symptom of the JM hangover. He used to float just as much, make a few more plays, but had such a knack for snipping big goals that it didn’t matter. I can’t count the times he has unleashed that signature wrister on the rush but has shot it inches over the crossbar, or dinged it. 2 years ago those were all topshelf wonders that left us all like ” how the hell did he do that” and “the goalie had no chance!”.
      i hope that cammi comes back.

      • mb says:

        I noticed that he was at the blue line also. Like I posted earlier, I’ve been seeing that so many times this season. He does nada in the d-zone, just waits at the blue line for the perfect pass or for some other player to pass him the puck instead of going out there and helping defensively.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      ….sounds like someone who is blaming everyone but himself. He is supposed to be a leader on this team and for the last two seasons all i hear is talk….I can talk a big game as well but that doesn’t mean I can go out and score 30 plus goals in the NHL.

      I hate to tell you when you lose you get a losing attitude this is when your high paid vets are supposed to step it up and be the leaders. I don’t accept Cammy crying about it. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Look at Cole? do you hear him bitching and moaning, he is playing like a leader.

    • city center says:

      SK also has more goals in fewer games than any of our centers (oh, and at a fraction of the cost of our “top 2 centers”). So does The Trade in reality mean the Habs dealt their cap future, Higgins, McDonnagh and Koivu for Gomez? That may be up there with the Chelios and Roy deals. Too bad.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        SK takes lots of important face-offs, plays the last minute of periods, all kinds of situations where the coach needs a guy he can trust.

        It broke my heart at the time, but I am now glad my kid can see him regularly and he can enjoy his last few years without having to carry the team on his back.

  25. shiram says:

    Interesting quotes from Cammy : http://fr-ca.actualites.yahoo.com/lnh-canadien-cammalleri-meilleur-que-jamais-200022122–spt.html

    -He says he has not forgotten how to play hockey, he is better than ever, and has total faith in his skills.
    - He will always work to improve his game, so he is better than last year and 2 years ago.
    -He is not playing has many minutes has he used to, so he has to work harder in practice to keep in shape.

    Subban – about his shooting, he won’t change a thing,

    • Cardiac says:

      He needs to learn how to score more 5-on-5 and not depend on those one-knee one-timers on the PP.

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

    • J_P says:

      That explains why he went from 39 goals to not even being able to hit the net in three seasons? lol

      Nice of him to say hes better than ever, but frankly thats a gigantic insult to everyones intelligence. Him and gomez must be good buddys, they both talk the talk.

  26. Dunboyne Mike says:

    It’s not always easy, but I try to avoid going along with some of the more inflammatory assertions written here. You know, the blame game.

    It’s hardest to resist it after a game like last night’s. When posters here crucify nearly anyone (except Gorges) whose name begins with G, I find myself saying “Yeah!” (like the guy Eddie Murphy shares a cell with near the beginning of “Trading Places”).

    Then when I try to resist engaging with that kind of scapeGoating, I ask myself to provide an alternative explanation for such a loss or slump or bad season, etc. And it’s hard to do — because I don’t know enough intimate, insider information. Does anyone who posts here?

    So in the absence of that kind of info, it might be safer to step way back and consider a bigger picture. And in that context, I’m asking all here whether perhaps we underestimate the disruption caused by a mid-season change of coach? Did we suffer under the illusion that once JM was gone, all shackles would come off, the players would be liberated, their God-given talent unleashed, and they could “really play”, resulting inevitably in lots of wins?

    Admit it.

    In fact, when you think of how much time and effort they devote to study and practice, and how a coach like JM immersed them continuously in a highly comprehensive system, we surely need to accept that you can’t just slot in a new system with the new coach — like changing cartridges on a game console — but that you probably have to de-programme the players first.

    Yes, they’re professionals and paid handsomely to do whatever they’re asked. But is it not possible that withdrawing from a system they’ve been immersed in for so long will take time?

    And if so, could that help explain how so many players are so under-par?

    • LA Loyalist says:

      nice post. And your point is fair. Essentially dumping the coach mid-season, especially with the timing we had, the new guy can’t change much when the previous coach is so systemically driven.

      And what can be changed depends on what is wrong. Sometimes a guy just gets tuned out and a new guy doesn’t say anything different, just in a new way.

      Look at Washington and the Ducks, both are far better teams than us, but struggling for reasons as yet unclear. Other times, it works: St. Louis this year, New Jersey Devils last year.

      I fired Martin in my head after we lost that first home game against Bruins last year, because the team was not mentally prepared to play that game. Does Martin get some credit for the first two wins in Boston? Of course, but to be that close, and not show up mentally for the biggest game of the year — that’s on the coach.

      In essence, our team needs to be re-programmed into a system that suits the players we have and hope to acquire. They’re like hostages or East Berliners who have to re-integrate into society.

      Ain’t gonna happen this year. And firing Martin mid-season was the acknowledgement thereof.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I think the East Berlin analogy is bang on! (Have you seen the movie “Goodbye to Lenin”?).

        So to take it further, would you think it’s likely that, if goal-scorers are like thoroughbreds, a disruption of this magnitude could easily put them out of kilter in the same way that a change of trainer or diet could upset a horse?

        (Even if the answer is yes, however, I’m not sure I have the patience to wait and see if the likes of Cammi, Gomez and Gionta can blossom in the context of a new system…).

    • habitual says:

      Your best point is that no one, including me, has answers. Clearly not Gautier, nor Cunnyworth, or things would be different.

      The difficulty with your theory is that the Habs were not playing well under Martin, so they could not be dealing with having to adjust to a new system at that point. What we have is more of the same.

      The same for Cammalleri. He was a disappointment last year, and is once again.

      Nonetheless, good for you for expanding the discussion.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        You’re right of course, that the system was already failing. Having worked well enough to get us to the semifinals in 2010 (unless Halak got us there DESPITE the system) and to see us push the eventual champs to 7 in 2011, the wheels came off in October. I guess my only point is that we allowed our hopes to be raised by the dispatching of JM and therefore of the system, but that in fact our high expectations for the incoming RC regime were unrealistic. De-programming takes time.

        One would despair of Cammi. We all watch him failing to score, and now you’ve affirmed our observations with stats. All last season it was “He’ll be worth every penny when we get to the playoffs”. This year he may not have that opportunity if we don’t make it, and it will be partially because he hasn’t been scoring enough to get us there.

        But there’s me scapegoating again! Maybe Cammi just needs time to recover from his time under JM…

    • Bobcat Bob says:

      Bobcat Bob
      Gosh Mike, you can’t say something reasonable like that with 90% of the complainers that post on this site.

  27. habitual says:

    Below there was an exchange about Cammalleri’s goals vs games played. Here is his record:

    GP G Ratio
    LA
    81 34 .41

    Flames
    81 39 .48

    Habs Stats
    65 26 .4
    67 19 .28
    37 8 .21

    In the Halak cup run Cammalleri was great. But he has been ineffective the past two years in the regular season.

    Plecs and Gio have both had 20 plus seasons the last two years, so what we end up focusing on is the fact that we have $13 million invested in two forwards – Cammalleri and Gomez, who score as frequently as ushers.

    I don’t know why collective suckitude has smothered the team, but we know it can’t be the coaches. But part of the solution is that those paid to score, do so. I’m at the point that when I say Gomez, I see Cammalleri.

    • J_P says:

      Yeah cammy seems to have gotten a pass because he scored 13 goals in the run to the ECF, but there is no excuse for his lacklustre play this year. He talks about the habs having a losing attitude, yet hes the one who skates around like he doesnt care every night.

  28. MacHabFan says:

    Excellent point. Our success in the past and in the future needs to start from behind the blue-line.

    1. Goal: Price.
    2. Defence: Needs Work.
    3. UpFront: Needs More Work.

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    Eklund claims we have been in talks with Tampa about Guy Boucher for next season.

    • G-Man says:

      Eklund must have mixed some magic mushrooms into his soup if he posts that trash.

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    • Cardiac says:

      He still has two more years on his contract with Tampa…..

      “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
      - Jerry Maguire

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        I guess that is why we are talking to Tampa.

        Who knows – maybe when we allowed them to offer him the job we placed conditions on them – like give him back to us when we want.

    • avatar_58 says:

      Eklund is a troll

    • habstrinifan says:

      If Boucher comes to Mtl I hope he ha slearnt his lesson and foregoes the trap system he uses.

      Boucher seems to be intellient enough to change but it would be a shame if we were to be saddled with another coach, despite his ‘sexy’ appeal, who dumbs down the game of hockey.

  30. Phil C says:

    The Habs’ biggest problems are on defense. They do not have any top pairing defensemen who can play against the other team’s best players in all situations. Your Norris Trophy candidate-type guys. Subban is playing 1st pairing minutes as well as can be expected, but he would be even more effective in a 2nd pairing role where his minutes and match up could be managed. Gorges is a solid 2nd pairing guy. Emelin is barely a 2nd pairing guy. He has all the tools to dominate on defense, but he is still learning the ins and outs of the NHL. He will be even better next year.

    But the biggest problem is that only the 3 guys above should truly be playing in the top four. The Habs’ other 5 defensemen are 3rd pairing at best. Diaz has been awesome, but I think his match-ups should be managed to be effective. Gill and Kaberle are both specialists whose 5 on 5 time needs to be managed. Campoli and Weber are playing like fringe NHLers at best. This means the Habs have no choice but to put one of those 5 guys out every other shift. The 7-D system was a noble attempt to mask the problem, but its obvious it can’t hold up against top teams and the bad match-ups get exposed.

    Markov not coming back was unlucky, but not replacing Hamrlik was the biggest mistake made in the off-season. They need to go after someone like Shea Weber, and pick up another FA top four defensemen next year. Maybe if Markov comes back effectively, they could do something this year (two years ago when the Flyers made it to the Cup final, they did it playing mainly 4 guys on D), but they may be officially out of it by then.

    • shiram says:

      Actually Habs biggest problem is that they usually score less goals than their opponents.
      Habs are 12th in goals against, not great but above the average. Penalty kill is awesome.
      Habs are 19th for goals for, powerplay is the worst in the league.

      D has not been that bad, and Price bails them out.
      They just cannot score goals.

      • Phil C says:

        This can also attributed to a lack of a true top D pairing. The PP has been lacking the big shot and a QB until Kaberle arrived. The Habs were so desperate, they even tried Pleks on the point. That spoke volumes about what the coaches thought of the D. The forwards are forced to trap all the time because they can’t afford to open up the game. If you look at the top offensive teams, Boston, Vancouver, Philly,Ottawa, Chicago, Detroit, they all have very strong to great 1st D pairings. Having a guy like Chara, Karlsson, Keith, Lidstrom, or Markov playing 30 minutes a game would be a huge boost to the offense.

      • J_P says:

        Our powerplay is the biggest issue. Being in the top ten for powerplays like we usually are vs being last in the league is probably the biggest thing that hurts our record.

    • veryhabby says:

      I agre 100% with you. altho our frwd lines also need some tweaking. But our D is very lacking. Assuming we have Markov and Kabby coming back next year, we still need a top tier Dman. Let Gomez play out his salary in AHL next year and use that cap space to land a true top pairing type guy. Weber/Suter would be a dream (one of) Got to think Nash resigns them both or at least one. The rest of NHL will go after the other, so it will be hard to land one, but at least try!

      then next year:
      New #1 guy/PK
      Markov/Gorges
      Kabby/emelin
      Diaz

      that would be a ton better then today:
      Gorges/Pk
      Diaz/emelin
      Kabby/Gill/Campoli

      or better then what it looks like habs will have next year:
      Mark/Pk
      Gorges/Diaz
      Kabby/Emelin

      • G-Man says:

        Suter will get crazy money, but do NOT expect a season in 2012/13. There will be a strike/lockout. Then, there’s always that world is ending stuff this December. Heck, it looks like it’s now or never for the Habs…and everyone else. ;)

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      • LA Loyalist says:

        I’d really like us to find another Craig Ludwig/Rick Green type D and I don’t care if he never scores again if he can clear the front of the net, win battles for the puck, make a great outlet pass and no one wants to skate down his side of the rink.

        I know we have Gorges and Emilin, but one more to make us really hard to play against. (this assumes Markov comes back in good form).

        Anyone out there you like?

    • G-Man says:

      No money for Shea. Preds would be nuts to trade him and Habs don’t have the picks they would want for him.

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  31. price365 says:

    I remember when fans were making fun at the Leafs – Guess who’s worse right now – the Leafs have a chance of making the playoffs
    I know they haven’t been in for a few years – but you never make fun – what goes round comes round.

  32. ProHabs says:

    Time for the Habs to go back to school. Moves the Habs need to make ASAP:

    - enroll Cunneyworth in a French language class. I would like to see him stay as coach and if that is what it will take, it will be worth it.
    - enroll PG in an “understanding the NHL salary cap” course. The amount of money he spends on underachievers is amazing.

  33. wd40 says:

    Boy, Cammy sure has a great attitude.

  34. bellcentre hotdog says:

    We’re halfway through the season … so here’s some numbers to throw around that just don’t add up:

    Cammallerri 9G + 13A = $6million
    Gionta 8G + 7A = $5million
    Gomez 0G + 4A = $7.3million

    Habs are paying these guys a staggering $18.3million for 16 goals and 41 points so far. They’d better be really good in the room.

  35. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think people on here are finally starting to realize that teams like Boston, St. Louis, NYR and Philadelphia follow the right blueprint and ours has been completely wrong.

    I hope we’re done crying to the NHL anytime our Smurfs are crushed by a real hockey team, like the ones I mentioned above.

    Skilled players are essential, nobody is disputing that. But a skilled player today can be found in a 6’2″ frame. No team can win with 5 or 6 players ranging from 5’6″ to 6′ tall making up 50% of their offense. Forget it.

    Shred the team and rebuild it properly with the right mix.

    Lets fight our own battles and win more hockey games in the process.

    Hopefully our ownership dumps Gauthier before the draft and puts someone in place that will acquire all the right pieces and not try and build a one-dimensional team of speedy little Smurfs.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Agree with 50% if your post. If memory serves me right two of those teams haven’t been consistent playiffs participants in recent years. Would rather idolize cup winners or at the very least, teams who go far in the playoffs in a consistent basis. I do agree with what I assume your major point is. The Habs are not as close to the cup as any of those four teams and a change in philosophy is warranted.

  36. 44har48 says:

    Let’s all take 3 giant steps back from the ledge! Wow, trade PK…

    Now I don’t think this guy is anywhere near as good as most on here think he is, he downright frustrates me with his poor decision making and trying to do way too much. In years past, his offensive numbers kept me quiet, this year he is not even doing that.

    He is no way a #1 D man right now, and no way should he be playing anymore than 18 mins a night. Due to this teams deficiences on D, he is forced to play those minutes, and with all those minutes comes all these mistakes I see and can’t stand.

    Having said that, this guy is going to be a great player for us when he matures and settles down a bit. We need to be patient.

    And please do not pump up Subann at the expense of Emelin. And comparing these two is like comparing apples and oranges. One is totally offensive and I would argue a liability in our end right now, and the other is not showing any offence right now and trying to learn a language and faster game on smaller ice.

    You will all be very happy to have both of these guys in a couple of years on our team, they both have great upside.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Great comment.

      I do like PK (and yes he might turn out to be a great D-man), but to get something BIG, you need to give up something BIG. To me, he might net the best return in a deal.

      But IMO (which apparently I know nothing) Emelin is more important and is a player I would rather keep IF (that is an IF) a trade were to happen and it came down between PK and Emelin.

      • Les Canayens says:

        Agreed with the big vs big trade.

        But…
        In a salary cap NHL, if you trade a young player for someone established, your cap space diminishes, thus limiting your spending power.

        Keeping PK is a win win because:
        -If he turns out to be not as good, resigning him as a RFA won’t cost as much. We have a cheap but skilled d-man.
        -If he turns out to be star material, his new contract after RFA will also not cost as much as some established player traded for him (before he reaches RFA), or an equivalent talent acquired via free agency.

        Also, what if Emelin goes into a sophomore slump too? Do we consider trading him by then as well?

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      • steve17 says:

        I agree to get something good, you need to give up something good, but not PK!! I agree the Habs need more size and grit so the player I would trade is Plekanec for Bobby Ryan, Gomez to Hamilton, Gionta to Columbus for Brassard, Cammalleri to Chicage for Kyle Beach and a 4th round pick, Weber and Pulashaj to San Jose for Petrecki. I agree Too much as been thrust upon Subban too soon and I also think that Emelin will be very solid for years. Petrecki would add size and nastiness and paired with Subban, would surely cut down on the players running Subban. With Beaulieu and Tinordi a couple of years away, the defence should be fine. There are some university players who could help soon too, Pateryn has an adge and some size. I would also move Kaberle at the deadline to anyone that will take him to get him off the books.

        With these moves, the lines could be
        Pacioretty – Desharnais – Cole
        Ryan – Eller – Kostitsyn
        Moen – Brassard – Beach
        Darche – White – Blunden

        Emelin – Gorges
        Petrecki – Subban
        Gill – Diaz
        Campoli

        I share the belief that Gauthier needs to go now so that the new GM has time to prepare for the trade deadline, the draft, and free agency

        Habfan17

        • Willy says:

          Pleks for Bobby Ryan. That’s one hell of a fantasy. I would love Bobby Ryan here(as everyone would i’m sure) but it would cost a lot more than just Pleks.

          • steve17 says:

            I don’t agree, Pleks is one of the best two way forwards and on Anaheim, he would be the number 2 centre and they have size already. Ryan hasn’t had enough good years to warrant more. If we were talking Getzlav or Perry, I would agree with you!
            Habfan17

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      I understand your frustration but trading him is a big mistake. What PK needs is a Larry Robinson as an assistant coach. Then watch him develop into the best defenceman in the league.

      Big Bird will set him straight & on the right path.

      • steve17 says:

        I think the defence as a whole would benefit from having Big Bird as an assistant. he knows what it takes to play in Montreal and there weren’t many better than Robinson. He has also been a head coach and would help in that regard too!

        Habfan17

    • The Jackal says:

      @ RiverviewCanadien. Let’s wait til next season to make a verdict on PK. He was great last season, and he is going through a sophomore slump. A few seasons ago Price had a great first season then had a bad 2nd season and now he’s great. Trading a young guy like PK would be a foolish move, specially if the Habs want to rebuild completely, trading a player you can build around as part of your core is not the best move.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Everyone needs to take a step back, I am not saying PK MUST be traded. All I am saying is that I like the play of Emelin more so than PK, and feel Emelin is a player that you build around as part of your core.

        To get an impact forward in a trade, you have to give up something big, PK might be the best trade asset that the Habs could live without. He is an RFA, no contract after this year (therefore no NTC or anything) and has shown he can play BIG minutes.

        • The Jackal says:

          Yeah, but having PK and Emelin IMO is better than trading one for an impact forward. I’m not saying we shouldn’t make that trade if the opportunity arose, but getting one impact forward in exchange for a good young d-man wouldn’t make this team into a winner.

    • avatar_58 says:

      If they trade Subban my last remaining respect for this franchise will be hurt badly.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I would only be cool for that if they picked up a real elite forward like a Ryan or Getzlav which we know isn’t happening.

        PK is a priority in this organization and isn’t going anywhere without something big coming back….kind of like when we traded Ribero lol

    • MacHabFan says:

      PK drives me nuts at times, but he is a keeper. A little duck tape to keep both his hands on the stick, a little tougher play around the boards and behind the goal line, perhaps some target practice, less pressure on him and back off on his playing time … and I agree, mentoring from Larry Robinson; and, we have a great mobile play-making fast skating defenceman – what made us great in the 70′s!

  37. nova scotia vees says:

    For many years I have watched good players come here and then go cold. More often I have watched us fail to get the best out of players with potential. The list is long, but start with Grbovski, Pouliot, D’agostini, Ryder, O’Byrne…and on and on….
    Is the atmosphere with the French media thing hanging over them all the time that is the killer…or just really poor coaching and management. There seems to be no joy in mudville…and there hasn’t been for a long time. Is playing in Montreal now the worst case scenario for all???

    • G-Man says:

      It’s been tough watching the Habs having to baby-sit players like Pouliot, Ryder, Grabovski, D’Agostini. They are getting to the big club too young. They aren’t professional and can’t handle the Montreal night life.
      All the successful Habs teams had a blend of youth and vets with star goaltending. This team’s vet forwards are choking this season and the youths on the team aren’t ready to excel. Play well enough, sure, but not well enough to stand out in this tough league.
      The media here is tough on players, but then again, Toronto’s media all over their players, too. Same with every Canadian team. I don’t think there is a big difference just because most of the media here is French.

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      • Les Canayens says:

        Yes, Toronto suffers form the same “cannot develop young prospects in a pressure cooker” environment. Look at Schenn, Kadri, Gustavson, who were all as hyped up when they emerged as in others Canadian cities, and don’t live up to expectations.

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  38. Eric Danis says:

    i looked at the list of free agents that was on capgeek, theres two players that id pictch for tougness and skill on the list and that is jordon tootoo and paul gaustade, anybody else like to comment on this???

    • twilighthours says:

      Not a big fan of Tootoo. Gaustad in a heartbeat.

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    • AH says:

      +1, Tootoo is like a buzz saw, I’d take him in a second, disappointed in Gaustad’s initial reaction to the Lucic hit on Miller, but I’d still take him. Overall, I believe the Habs main need is toughness and size right now, and last nights game is just one of many examples that they can’t compete with teams that have size, toughness AND skill. I agree with Boone, last night was the most thoroughly dominated I’ve seen them get, that I can remember in a long time.

    • steve17 says:

      I don’t think they add enough to make it worth while. I think the Habs need to trade some smaller big salary players for grittier players. With the contracts the Habs have on the books, they wouldn’t have money for those two players, who may end up costing too much as free agents.

      Habfan17

  39. Sean Bonjovi says:

    .

    “Max Pacioretty is not part of the solution”
    - Sean Bonjovi

  40. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Yeah. Trade Subban. It’s a good thing you don’t actually have to know anything to post here.

  41. Habfan4lfe says:

    Anyone saying to get rid of Subban is nuts. Period. Subban, Emelin and Gorges are the best we have and you want to get rid of one. Wow. Markov too for that matter. Almost forget about him these days…

    This team has to get rid of Gionta, Cammy, Gomez and Gill, Gauthier and Gainey. Until then this team is doomed. Plekanec can go too, he’s nothing but another smurf and he stinks in the playoffs as soon as the competition is big. Even DD is tougher than Plekanec for god sakes.

    I don’t even bother posting here, it’s just idiotic here sometimes. Trade Subban ya. No, trade Kaberle! He’s a total waste. The top says it all, get rid of these guys and bring guys like Leblanc and Gallagher up and get another good player like Cole.

    To do that is impossible with PG and Gainey only disaster will follow with these guys. To me this season is a write-off. No point in arguing it.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      yeah and trading Plekanec is a smart move…

      Next!

    • PeterStone says:

      you are right .. altho, I personally would keep Gionta …

      If anyone watches a game, they’ll notice that Subban is the ONLY DMan who can play the right side effectively. Everyone else that plays there folds … I have seen Diaz fall a couple of times (inc. vs. the Jets a few games afo ) , I have seen Emelin give up the puck a few times ( inc. last night ) .. trading Subban ( unless its for a guy like Getzlaf ) would be lunacy.

    • steve17 says:

      I agree! I have posted what I believe the Habs shhould do, under a new, progressive GM! I’d even take Serge Savard back as an advisor while Molson conducts his search if need be.

      I would move Plekanecs to Anaheim for Ryan. Another poster said that was not enought o get Ryan. I would agree if it were Getzlav or Perry we were talking about, buts Pleks has been one of the better two way forwards for a few years and Ryan has had one good year. Anaheim already has size and could use Pleks, who is the same size as Zetterberg and Datsyuk, not as good, but better than anyone Anaheim has currently and Koivu and Selanne will likely be gone at the end of this season. I would also move Cammalleri, Gionta, Kaberle, and Gomez, even if it to Hamilton. Make Gorges captain and cut Gainey loose too!

      Habfan17

  42. habs03 says:

    Some fans are a joke, maybe its because we have so many fans, but still. Guys wanna throw a 22 year old (PK) under the bus because he is forced to be a number 1 D-men when he should be 3-4 guy. And on top of that you got someone saying Emelin is more important, I’m really speechless, people are mesmerized by his hitting, but seem to forget about his poor position.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      poor position?

      You make a statement of PK being only 22 (and he makes alot of mistakes lately), Emelin being 25 and getting used to the smaller ice, MUCH faster game. So one player is allowed mistakes but the other is not?

      What does PK do effectively?

      Emelin hits, can block shots, and I bet would be more effective on the PP than PK.

      • habs03 says:

        Ok so you are willing to be patient with Emelin but not with PK. I was just pointing out that both make their far share of mistake, but one is getting thrown under the bus.

        • RiverviewCanadien says:

          not throwing PK under the bus at all, I responded to someone stating to trade PK now while he can net something big in return. If in fact he can net the return people tend to think he can, you trade him for that impact forward the Habs desperately need.

          Emelin is everything fans want. Biggest physical player this team has, something many have harped on as being one of the concerns not addressed. His positioning is good, and he can hit the net with a shot. I just wish Cunneyworth would play him more on the PP.

          Have you watched how accurate his passes are? yes they are hard because he reacts and passes to where people should be, our forwards are not used to that so the passes tend to come as a surprise and they can’t handle it.

    • Eric Danis says:

      i agree with you about PK being more important that Emelin, but Emelin’s hitting doesn’t often put him out of position, he’s not a minus player, and his hitting is very important to the team it hurts and freezes the oppsition, he’s also a smart hitter. but PK is the future and i am by far tagging a Untouchable sign above PK’s head. get rid of the dead wood like Gomez, Gionta, Darch and Gill, and Campoli. id keep Cammy because he is young and he can still play with the right linemates…

  43. HabinBurlington says:

    Scott Howson is to blame for today’s frustration. That moron of a GM in Columbus had Ken Hitchcock sitting at practises with him watching his team suck, yet he chose not to fire Scott Arniel, instead the Blues hired him. Now they fire Arniel.

    Damn You Scott Howson, Damn You!

  44. redgorf says:

    Its time that the GM and HC realise that PK is a one man show,and allways will be. Trade time is coming he has some value know dont wait ti’ll they find he’s limited. CH have many good young D not too worry!

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I agree to an extent. PK MIGHT have high return to the Habs (if that is the case, you pull the trigger). I really feel (and have always felt since watching him this year) that Emelin is more important to the Habs progress than PK.

    • Eric Danis says:

      hey bud, you have to realize that the kid is only 22-23 years of age and is still learning. a bit of cockyness never really hurt much look at tyler myers and tavares and even evander kane. its a softmore slump, and do you really want to get rid of a guy with so much raw talent just because he’s having difficulties in his second complete NHL season? come on be reasonable, wait a couple of years i can live with his attitude and child like behavior as long as he gives me some good seasons. his numbers are not that bad defensively and his offence will snap back. conneyworth is a very good hands on players coach, he’ll tap into his potential.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      u guys have issues…

  45. Ian Cobb says:

    The Blues played a perfect away game last night. We could not make plays. We were covered at both ends of the rink and the Blues fore check us at all times forcing us into give a ways. That is how important coaching is when parity in this league is very close now.

    Hitchcock turned this team around in very short order.

  46. HabFanSince72 says:

    We could pick up McIntyre, Orr and sign Trevor Gillies.

    Tank faster AND beat up some Bruins.

    It’s the ol’ Win-Win.

  47. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Listening to the Cammalleri interview, the question was directed at his own play and what he would give as a self assessment…that seemed to stump him and he BS’d his way through it.

    Maybe it was just me and how I interpreted his response, but does not sound like he is holding himself accountable.

    • shiram says:

      What’s troubling is he said ” sometimes you forget that you need to score goals to win games”
      Cammy saying that is just ugh..

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Yeah that is troubling…so was I off in the way I interpreted him or would you agree with my statement.

        Does he want out?

        I know I would be happy to be rid of any player that wants off this team. I really don’t like the blame game being played out among team mates, sounds like that is the case with Cammalleri

    • PeterStone says:

      he doesnt want to be here anymore. I actually had that sense since last season. At some point last season, he said something ( i cant recall what was said or when it was said ) that reminded me of Chris Higgins, when asked a question saying with sarcasm, “thats how things are in Montreal”. The answer Cammi gave me same the impression.

      I’ve been to alot of games this year, and since last season, his care level seems to be at an all time low.

      • mb says:

        I remember that interview as well. Question must have been about fans getting on the team’s back or something. Anyway, at this point and the way he’s been playing, if he wants out of here, then let him go. Talented player of course, but if he’s not willing to play hard and not willing to try, then I’d rather have a guy who plays his heart out every game night!

    • mdp2011 says:

      Played on many different teams through out my life, and on every team I have been on, there was always that one guy who had more skills and talent that everyone else on the team, but would never ever backcheck or hustle and would just float around and pop in 2-3 goals a game. But when things don’t go there way, they would sulk, bit*h, moan and complain, yell at teammates for not passing the puck, even if our team won the game. Cammalleri seems to me to be one of those guys this year. It is so strange, cause his first year with the Habs, he didn’t seem to be one of those guys, maybe being passed over for captain really pis*ed him off.

  48. HabFanSince72 says:

    Another name in the lucky/unlucky GM file is Dale Tallon.

    * Built the Hawks cup winning team from top to bottom: Kane, Toews, Sharp, Hossa, etc …

    * Lucky: got the #1 pick in 2007 despite not finishing last. Chicago was 3rd from bottom ahead of Philly and Phoenix. But they lucked out getting #1 pick and Patrick Kane. The 2nd pick was James van Riemsdyck. The 3rd (their rightful pick) was Kyle Turris. That’s right – a coin flip gave them Kane instead of Turris.

    * Lucky: in 2006 picking 3rd they choose Jonathan Toews, bypassed for Erik Johnson and Jordan Staal. Imagine their 2006 – 2007 picks are reversed and they get Turris and Johnson instead of Kane and Toews.

    * Desparately Unlucky: in 2004 they finish 2nd to last. This time the lottery picks go to Pittsburgh (#2) and Washington (#1) who actually finished ahead of Chicago. The top two picks were Malkin and Ovechkin. At #3 they got bust Cam Barker instead.

    *Lucky: Duncan Keith at #54 in 2002. Smart you say? Chicago initially bypassed him in favour of Anton Babchuk.

    *Smart: trades a 3rd round pick to the Flyers for Patrick Sharp.

    *Unlucky: someone forgets to send a fax in June 2009 and he is fired, one year before the team he built wins the Stanley Cup.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Good post, provides some perspective on how luck of the draft is integral to a teams success or lack thereof.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Another example of Lucky and Unlucky GM.

      The 2005 “pick your name out of a hat” for the chance to win the rights to the best player in the world” draft.

      Lucky Peguins GM at the time (can’t remember if it was Patrick or Shero)
      Unlucky GM’s, the other 29.

  49. avatar_58 says:

    I’m amused Cunneyworth thinks this team is in any position to bench players. Especially a d-man who hits and carries the puck.

    But hey, give more ice time to kaberle I’m sure he’ll help

    • Mike D says:

      I assume you mean Emelin will be benched? Where are you getting this from? Not doubting it necessarily, just didn’t see anything official on that.

      - Honestly yours

    • deuce6 says:

      PK isn’t being benched..He is getting his PP minutes reduced..I am expecting Campoli being a healthy scratch..

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        PK has been Brutal on the PP. I don’t think he understands the point of a one timer is to catch the goalie moving and off gaurd with the speed of the shot. He winds up like he has am Al Mcinnis slapper….
        Weber is more effective on the PP than PK

  50. dorvalhabsfan says:

    so ppl want PG fired, like JM being fired changed EVERYTHING? i disagree, looking at PG body of work i have no complaints… i dont hold gauthier responsible for Gomez playing 18 games, or Markov playing 0, or Gionta not being himself or Cammy not playing good at all.. give the man a break.. hes the only guy in god knows how long who got a PF free agent here, his tweaks were great (Wiz, Moore, Halpern) and he did bring Emelin over which others have not managed.. firing PG would be a mistake.. i think he can bring this team where it needs to go.. just cuz you dont like his style of work doesnt make him bad right? dont fire gauthier just to hire another GM to strip the parts… im sure if thats Molsons plan the gauthier is more then capable… firing capable staff in the midst of a tough sstretch reeks of impatience, impulse, lack of consideration and 0 intelligence.. sorry guys but youll have to try harder then PG shoudleve signed Wiz..

    Go Habs Go

    Go Habs Go

    • avatar_58 says:

      That’s how things work – if you fail at your job, you get fired. While shite rolls downhill eventually the people upstairs have to answer.

    • mdp2011 says:

      while you make good arguments for PG, you ruined it with this line “firing capable staff in the midst of a tough sstretch reeks of impatience, impulse, lack of consideration and 0 intelligence.. ”

      Isn’t that exactly what PG did when he fired Pearn and Martin?

  51. Stev.R says:

    Galyenchuk has dropped in the rankings from number 2 to 31 due to an injury. Probably shoot back up after he returns. Probably around where MTL will be drafting. If we suck real hard, we could go after Grigorenko.

    • Mike D says:

      I think he’s done for the season with a leg injury. Broken leg maybe? I don’t recall exactly what it is ATM.

      Even if he’s ranked at 31, that doesn’t necessarily mean a team won’t draft him earlier (or much earlier).

      - Honestly yours

  52. deuce6 says:

    If anyone wanted a tough guy for this line up, Steve MacIntyre was just waived by the Pens..Would be nice having his services going into BOS, eh?

    600K and an impending UFA..Make the call, PG..

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  53. punkster says:

    Was at the game, section 334, on the goal line on Halak’s left side. He played well in spite of not being tested that often but this game was certainly not about Halak. It was about how well the Blues bottled up the Habs, possibly better than any team has this season, and how poorly the Habs responded.

    Texting with a friend during the game I was complaining bitterly about the quality of Habs play. The between periods Timbits competition had more excitement.
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    My friend pointed out something I watched for as the game progressed. The Blues were pressuring every single play and forcing turnovers. They fore checked, jammed the passing lanes, forced our forwards to stay deep in our zone to help the D, often put two men on any Hab with the puck, forced us to rush every pass and clearing attempt. The Habs simply can’t deal with that. Even when a Hab tried to break the pattern, PK for example on one particularly beautiful end to end rush, the Blues made sure he had nobody to pass to, in front of the net, behind the net, at the blue line…all 4 other Habs were covered like a blanket.

    So harp on the GM, blame the coach, rattle your sabres and haul out your tank rhetoric

    Oh, you already have… well, on to the Bruins.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

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    • mb says:

      “The between periods Timbits competition had more excitement.” Hah! I was at the game, too and that quote is so true. Besides the standing O at the end, that red Timbit goal on a breakaway brought the biggest cheers in the building.

      That said, being at the game, I was wondering if it looked like they played bad because I was there live, or if they really sucked on TV too… Reading the posts here, it seems like the second option to me! Really disappointing to watch, no effort at all, every offensive play was shut down by 3 or 4 Blues players.

      Not exactly looking forward to tomorrow’s game!

  54. SmartDog says:

    The silver lining in where we are is that we’re where we (sad but true) deserve to be. We’re not over-achieving this year. And that means change should FINALLY come. We need it. We have so many dead weight players and bad contracts (thank you Bob and PG), the team needs some pretty drastic surgery to be strong.

    I’m excited by our young players. If we got a couple of big and tough veterans in here to show them how to handle themselves we could have a real powerhouse in a couple of years.

    The downside is that Molson may not do what’s needed. in which case, the suckitude will just go on… and on… and on…

    Really, is it so hard to see what needs fixing? And then fix it?

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    • PeterStone says:

      on July 1st the Habs had a choice … they could have chosen to 1) prepare to send Gomez to the Minors/Swiss League/KHL, whichever, and to spend the 7.3M$ on some Defensive Help and size down the middle. or 2) do nothing and carry on with Gomez.

      At that time, it was suggested if the Habs were serious about WINNING, they would make the tough decision and free up the cash. They chose option 2 .. and we are where we are.

      Now, they add Kaberle, a 13min DMan @ 4.25M$ cap hit? These guys just dont understand hockey in 2012, just like the folks who suggested the habs would make the playoffs just 2 days ago.

  55. 123456 says:

    adding onto habsfansince72 post below – it is a very fine line. if pleks scores a shortie a few minutes into the game who knows what happens after that.

    i’m very dissappointed in the overall lack of effort when the habs backcheck. that first goal is not all PKs fault – he forced a guy very wide who then drove the net and price and PK forced a bad shot… the rebound was fat and no forward was back to play defense – rather a forward was back and made a choice not to cover his/her man.

    i try to stay positive but if you look at the best players around the NHL they play both sides of the ice – pleks, gio, cammy and gomez are getting worse on defense. . . .

    • G-Man says:

      Sorry, but PK should never have let Reaves by him. He miscalculated and it cost a goal. Every Dman gets burned, even the great ones. Cammy not covering Arnott was the final straw of that play.

      For some reason, the Habs were not ready to play last night…again.

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      • LA Loyalist says:

        Usually it’s a sequence of mistakes that makes a goal. PK’s first task is to force the guy wide. If Price coughs up a fat one, that’s mistake #2, not covering the guy in front of the net – that’s mistake #3… you can’t just hang PK, in fact, I don’t think he did anything wrong.

        • G-Man says:

          Reaves was able to cut to the net. That was PK’s mistake; he didn’t cut him off, but let Reaves go by.

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    • SmartDog says:

      I love Pleks. And he’s scored on breakaways just like that before. And you’re right – if he scores, who knows?

      But that he didn’t score is part of the poetry of where we are. Because a top level sniper (which we don’t have) would’ve put it in. We have a several “pretty good” but no great offensive forwards. And we’re in 12th. And those facts are strongly related.

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      • 123456 says:

        agree – i have touted pleks as the most underrated forward for years but he has not looked good lately. clutch is clutch and besides cammy’s playoff goals 2 years ago and that other goalie guy – the habs have not had clutch in years.

  56. alfieturcotte says:

    Kaberle is a huge issue. Rutherford must have gotten down on his hands and knees after PG agreed to take him. I honestly believe that only 1 GM was foolish enough to trade for him, PG. It could not have been more clear that this guy is a HUGE liability. He is our weakest defenseman in the D zone.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I was stunned when I head about that trade. My entire office stood up and laughed. No joke.

    • 123456 says:

      agree – as i look back on the past few years only once did i think WTF and that was getting kabarle. i understand why the habs got him but i just dont see him as an upgrade… or even a swap of different talents. i dont mind kabarle as a rental but 2 more years it what stings

      even the gomez trade was not horriffic at the time – yea we all knew he was overpaid but it looked like the habs would have 2 solid scoring lines.

      • J_P says:

        What about GOmez? That was the biggest WTF for me, especially because we actually gave up assets to get him. At least with Karberle, he actually has point with us, and we didnt give up anything other than cap space to get him.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          we gave up Ryan McDonaugh and a diaper load of cap room.

          Gomez, the gift that keeps on giving.

          Kaberle was an act of desperation because you have to have a PP qb, and we should never have lost Wiz until we were sure Markov was ok. If we still had Wiz PG would look like a genius right now. yeah there were cap issues, but when an injury is as serious as Markov, you can’t just assume he’s going to be back and 100% — in fact, what’s up with him?

          • G-Man says:

            Wiz at $5.5mil for 6 years of Kab at $4.25 mil for 2 more seasons? Take your pick. Both are not great deals. Kab is just more affordable under the cap.
            -edit- The Wiz gets $2 mil in bonus this season + $3mil in bonus next season. For what he gives he is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overpaid.

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        • mdp2011 says:

          You have to remember where the Habs were coming from when Gainey made the Gomez trade. There were coming off the horrible centenial year, Koivu was run out of town by media and fans, Plecs was coming off a 39 point season, they had no legit 2nd line center, never mind a 1st line center, and a whole bunch of UFA’s to sign, so he desperatly needed a capable center. Now the trade turned out to be one of the worst in Habs history, but I do understand why Gainey made the deal, (don’t understand why he had to throw in Mcdoungh).

    • twilighthours says:

      And people still like this trade. Amazing.

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  57. Looking forward to this summer’s UFA market, we need size, toughness and scoring.

    I’m inclined to think the Kaberle trade means Gomez is gone. I can’t see PG handcuffing the team with the extra cap hit otherwise, but if Gomez goes, Kaberle makes a lot of sense, and his 8 points in 13 games make him our highest point-per-game defenceman by far, and almost on pace with team-leading Erik Cole (0.6 points per game vs. his 0.7).

    So with that in mind, we’ve got a bit money to play with — let’s go shopping. UFAs are never cheap, but I’d be willing to overpay a bit for Tuomo Ruutu if Carolina doesn’t/can’t re-sign him. Big and tough, can win a fight, good for 20 or so goals, and he’s arriving at his career peak at 28 years old. Good teams have guys like that. We don’t.

    And I know everyone gripes about players on the wrong side of 30, but good teams like the Blues also have veteran guys like Jason Arnott and Jamie Langenbrunner who bring a ton of experience and great work ethic and can still play. Even Boston had a big role for Recchi last year. Shane Doan is that kind of player, and I’d love to see him in a Habs jersey — even if it takes more cash/term than most folks around here would be willing to pay for a 35-year-old. Plus he’s Price’s cousin, and may give Price someone he trusts to talk to off the ice. And it doesn’t hurt that he’s 6’4″, 228lbs and by all accounts the kindest most stand-up guy in the league — exactly who you want in your locker room.

    I don’t think Shawn Thornton is going anywhere, but Asham is a cheap fill-in, is tough and isn’t a defensive liability. And it would be nice to get a shred of return on that 3rd-round draft pick all those years ago.

    So how about this (numbers via CapGeek)? We’re right up near the cap, and there are no real improvements on the blue line unfortunately, (unless we can move Cammalleri or Gionta’s salary to make cap room), but our top nine can all score, and six of them are big boys that no one will be calling smurfs. The fourth line is serviceable, and the D is hopefully improved by an older/wiser Emelin and a Subban who has (let’s hope) extracted his head from his ass. If Markov isn’t 100% healthy by July 1, no problem — we can use his cap hit for a big shutdown UFA defender.

    FORWARDS
    Mike Cammalleri ($6.000m) / Tomas Plekanec ($5.000m) / Shane Doan ($4.000m)
    Max Pacioretty ($1.625m) / Tuomo Ruutu ($3.800m) / Erik Cole ($4.500m)
    Andrei Kostitsyn ($3.500m) / Lars Eller ($1.750m) / Brian Gionta ($5.000m)
    Travis Moen ($1.750m) / David Desharnais ($0.850m) / Arron Asham ($0.850m)
    Mathieu Darche ($0.750m)

    DEFENSEMEN
    Andrei Markov ($5.750m) / P.K. Subban ($1.500m)
    Josh Gorges ($3.900m) / Raphael Diaz ($1.250m)
    Alexei Emelin ($1.250m) / Tomas Kaberle ($4.250m)

    GOALTENDERS
    Carey Price ($5.750m) / Peter Budaj ($1.150m)

    CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $124,167

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • J_P says:

      Definitely agree with you about Tuomo Ruutu. David Jones from colorado could be a good bottom 6 forward as well.

      Guys like Langenbrunner and Arnott don’t really interest me because to me those are guys you acquire for a cup run, and I dont think we are anywhere near being a cup team.

      Obviously the prize is zach parise. If we bury gomez (trade is highly unlikely), and trade cammy for picks and prospects at the deadline, Parise is definitely the guy I am after. However, he will be highly sought after, and I highly doubt the habs will be front runners.

    • vegas says:

      PK will cost more than 1.5
      Where is White
      DD is not 4th line material
      and you need to carry a 7th d-man, but we do have Webber signed

      one of DD or Plekanek woul have to go
      one of Gionta or Cammalleri woul have to go (if not both)

    • tbovs says:

      Rutuu has had severe concussion and othe injury issues and doesn’t play as tough as he used to. Never fights … at all. So bad idea but right direction. What we need is a top six superstar that would solidify our identity….Tampa would probably part with Vinny but there goes that contract again…but wait…he will at least score 30 and be a large centreman that we crave…but we need to get rid of gomez first. Nash is another idea…Parise as well. The problem is that we need to get rid of a lot of assets at the same time…like Plecks or Kostitsyn or Eller or Cammi so the idea is great just need someone with balls to pull it off.

      • J_P says:

        I have ZERO interest in lecavaliers contract. Especially because hes been steadily declining. The last thing we need is another $7M (actually lecav is almost $8M) who will struggle to get 30 goals and 65 pts IMO.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      How is Gomez gone? You can’t just skip over that part ;-)

      And they would never play a Habs captain on the 3rd line, so your scenario would have to mean Gionta gone, too. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

      Otherwise, I think we’d have a more competitive team, with a bit more stamina for the long grind. Nice work.

  58. Mattyleg says:

    Hey there ever’body!
    So my thoughts on last night are as such and as follows:

    Measuring us against the Blues is not a valid comparison. They’re in another class at the moment (which could change with momentum, etc etc) and comparing ourselves to them is not useful.

    Our team is built for a particular style of play, and when that style of play doesn’t work, we struggle. Like every team. The Blues were built for a particular style of play, and at the beginning of the season, they struggled because it wasn’t working. Hitch was able to see what kind of game would suit them, and adapted their style to suit their build.

    Our faster-paced skill-based play works very well against any opposition -even big-bodied teams- when it’s clicking. We move the puck fast, and evade checks, and let the other teams put themselves out of position. This year it’s not happening. For whatever reason (and there are quite a few) we’re not able to play our game our way effectively.

    I don’t think that firing the GM is the way forward, because at the beginning of the season, it looked like the Blues GM had made poor decisions too. The Habs were plagued with injuries last season, and still made the playoffs, and still nearly beat the Bruins. This team this year is not significantly different to the one that had plenty of promise last year, it’s just that our trigger-men are slumping simultaneously. Perhaps it’s because they all came in at the same time, and are all suffering from a kind of cyclical burnout. I dunno.

    I’d like to see us play our game more often, and string some wins together to get our confidence back, because as the Blues showed us, confidence is a powerful thing.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • J_P says:

      Definitely agree with your point about our speed and skill working against any team if its clicking, but ill tell you why its not working: Our abysmal powerplay. Speedy and skilled teams should be able to draw lots of penalties, and we seem to draw them with regularity, however we cant capitalize. The difference between having a top-ten powerplay and being the worst in the league could very well be the difference between our current position and being 6th or 7th in the east.

      As for the GM, he has to go. He has shown no capacity to think outside the box, and is yet another habs GM who just patches and band-aids to make the playoffs, while making no real strides towards being a perennial contender. Since the great purge, we have taken a step backwards each and every season, not a good sign that your GM is doing a good job. When he re-signed markov I was fine with it because I was under the impression he would be in our line-up by mid-october. Never did I think we would be halfway through the season and not have markov in the lineup for even one period. Now because of that, PK is expected to be our top defenseman which is completely unfair. He tried to rectify the issues with the Kaberle deal, but kaberle is not a top 2 defenseman anymore.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I agree about the PP, it truly is a miserable sight to behold.

        I don’t agree with your take on PG, however. I think he’s done fairly well with the free agents that have been on the market. He picked up Cole, which was one of the best moves that the CH has made in the past decade. There haven’t been a lot of impact players on the market recently, and I think he resisted signing any old grinder for big money, like Konopka.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • J_P says:

          Yeah, but it didnt take a genious to figure out that we needed size and that eric cole was the best big body available. Even I had eric cole at the top of my list, and im not NHL gm.

          Hes just boring. No creativity in anything he does. Hes a patch and band-aid king, and that doesnt help us for the future.

  59. vegas says:

    Why does Gil still get Ice-time. The guy totally sucks. Don’t tell me Kaberle can’t do what he does and even better. And please stop playing Yemelin on the right side, he is definately better on the left. Of course you have to play Gill on the left and thus Yemelin has to be sacrificed on the right. We keep hammering Gomez who hasn’t even played and yet Gill gets away with murder. I’m sure we would be better with him out of the line-up and our PK did not give up 1 goal when he missed 5 games

    • habs03 says:

      Gill has only been playing PK and limited 5on5. I think RW uses 7 D, so he could use them at what they are best at, Campoli on PP, Gill on PK. Only guys getting major ice time 5-5 are Gorges,Subban,Diaz, Emelin.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Time to give Weber more playing time. Tired of Campoli and Gill. Seen enough.

        • vegas says:

          Yemelin played 1 shift on the right side with Gill last night, it resulted in a goal. Both seemed totally lost. Habs had 5 penalties last night, lets say Gill played at least half the time of thse penalries. That makes 5-6 minutes, He played a total of 11 minutes and 51 seconds. So that means he managed a minus 2 with less than 6 minutes played on 5 on 5. Give that extra 5 on 5 time to Kaberle. Never heard of a team dress and extra D so he could play on the PK. Might as well dress Webber too and keep him for the PP.

          I squirm every time I see Gill on the ice

      • J_P says:

        Yeah campoli is doing real well on that PP lol We should put campoli on waivers.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Gill doesn’t suck.
      I’m not sure what would make you say that.
      He has certain limitations, but so does every player.
      He also has certain strengths, and he demonstrates these strengths on a more consistent basis than anybody else on the team.

      But I suppose that if all you’re looking for is fast skaters that can score goals, you’re right, Gill sucks. At that.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        My friend, Gill sucks at everything at this point.

        He had his moments and his story was a nice one but it is over. Too slow, too soft and ready for retirement.

      • vegas says:

        name me some of his strengths. His shot, his skating, his passing, his ability to break out of our zone, his hitting……….
        Don’t talk to me about his leadership cause I don’t see any. His penalty killing is overblown. Our best stretch at penalty killing came when he was out 5 games. There is nothing more this guy can bring to our team, Time to move him and let the kids get mroe ice time (Webber)

        To bad because a few weeks ago there was talk of him being worth up to a second round draft choice. Right now we would be lucky with a 4th or 5th

      • Stev.R says:

        Gill is the worst hockey player in the league, and I say that with utmost respect. If you look at just his skills, you’ll see he has none. Luckily he is large and is smart enough to understand where he is supposed to be and what he can do. He’s also lucky there is 4 other guys on the ice. He’s a good guy to have on our team, but not on the ice.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Hahahaha!
          All you guys are just on a post-loss downer.
          I especially like how Vegas says that “A few weeks ago there was talk of him being worth up to a second round draft choice.”
          This kind of sums up the way that fans think.
          Nothing has changed about Gill in three weeks, except the fans’ perception of how well he plays, which is heavily influenced by how the team as a whole is playing.

          I’m only going to say this one more time, and we’ll see if you all get it.

          Gill is what’s called a ‘stay-at-home defenceman’. This means that he isn’t an offensively-minded d-man. He doesn’t shoot hard, he doesn’t make breakout passes, and isn’t used on the PP. Okay? With me so far? Good. He doesn’t hit hard, but he is strong enough to tie up any player in the league along the boards, which is more effective because it doesn’t take you out of the play like what happens with big hitters.

          He is a natural leader (even though you don’t see it, Vegas, which I find terribly surprising because you seem like an observant and astute kind of fellow) and reads the play very well.

          He is slow and not terribly mobile, but his reach and the ice that he covers makes up for that.

          But then again, it’s easy to find fault with big players who have obvious shortcomings. It’s kind of like picking on the guy in the class with the braces, or the limp. Easy to do, you know?

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  60. Hobie Hansen says:

    I think the majority of Habs fans are desperate, with good reason, to get rid of Gionta, Gomez, Cammalleri and Kaberle.

    Unfortunately nobody in their right mind would take Kaberle or Gomez.

    But there could be some teams out there that would look at Gionta and Cammalleri’s brutal contracts and bite the bullet on them for another two years. Both those guys could help a team that is built correctly but they can’t help us. You put either of those two guys on a line with a big center and big winger and it could work. You don’t play three smurfs together like we chose to do.

    I would never say tank but we have to do everything in our power to shed as many contracts as possible ASAP.

    Tear the team apart and build it correctly this time with a two smurf limit!

    • habs03 says:

      “Unfortunately nobody in their right mind would take Kaberle or Gomez”

      That what you said about Spacek ;)

      Kaberle 4.25M 8 points in 13 games, -2 on a bad team, only takes up 6.75% of the cap. Get real, he aint an issue.

      • Habsbill24 says:

        Spacek had an expiring contact. Gionta and Cammy do not. And we only dumped Spacek because we were stupid enough to take on a much worse contract in Kaberle. Carolina was trying to give Kaberle away WITH a 2nd round pick just to dump the contract, of course they would take Spacek.

      • PureGuava says:

        Free lesson in the “Cap Era” NHL:

        Spacek’s salary was coming off the books at the end of the 11/12 season, which makes him very valuable. So by unloading Kaberle, Carolina saves 12 million dollars over 3 years, while getting a decent player in return that doesn’t hurt their current roster.

        Gomez, Gionta, Cammy, Kaberle, Plecs, Gorges: they all have value to other teams, but not at the price the Canadiens pay them.

        I see two 3rd or 2nd line centers making 13 million between them, two second or third line wingers making 11 million between them, and a 5,6 D pairing making 11.5 between them..

        That’s why this team won’t win.

        “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
        - Robert Anton Wilson

    • shiram says:

      Both Gio and Cammy have no trade clause.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Shiram, GIO is hurt and gets a pass imo. If Cammy doesnt accept a trade I am at the point where we just waiver him along with our 7 million dollar center.
        This team needs an overhaul and will be difficult to fix. Thinking we might be looking at a several year rebuilding effort. At least tickets should be cheaper so chrisadiens and I can spend more at Chez Claudette.

        • shiram says:

          I’m just saying it’s not as easy as people make it out to be to trade guys like Gio and Cammy.
          And I still think those 2 guys could give the Habs good hockey.
          Not so for Gomez though.

          Also you should try out Ma’am Bolduc if you get a chance, much nicer place and killer poutine.

    • vegas says:

      we have a big center and some big wingers, why aren’t the put with them

      Cammalleri / Eller / Ak

      or

      Max Pac / Eller / Gionta

    • TomNickle says:

      Kaberle is actually a great fit with an organization looking at a two year window to win the Cup but needs some help on the Powerplay and puck movement.

      San Jose, Vancouver, Detroit and New Jersey(less so) are good fits for a guy like Kaberle. But that doesn’t mean they want him.

      As for Gomez. It’s a shame because from what I saw he definitely was playing with more energy and doing better things on the ice this season. He can’t really vindicate himself from the confines of the Trainers Room. I’m Cammalleri’s biggest critic but since the holiday break he has been trying, and I’m willing to at least give him that. For the prior twenty or so games, he wasn’t. Gionta really is the only one out of that group that should’ve been added in the first place. He plays bigger than he is and scores. There isn’t much not to like about him.

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    It is interesting to look at the top three teams in the East and their GMs:

    * Philly: Holmgrem took a big risk signing Pronger and Briere for huge money (and picks in the case of Pronger). If the Flyers had lost the shootout against NYR in the last regular season game of 2009-2010 he might well have been fired. Gambled big again this year on Bryzgalov ( a mistake) and trading Carter and Richards, after a disaster in the playoffs last year.

    * Boston: if the Habs beat them in the 7th game of OT last year than for sure Julien is fired, and maybe Chiarelli.

    * NYR: How Sather managed to keep his job this long is a mystery. At one point they were paying Drury and Redden not to play and not making the playoffs. Really lucked out that Gainey picked up the phone in June of 2009, and Gaborik has stayed healthy.

    So the point is there is a fine line between success and failure, and luck plays a huge role. That is why you probably shouldn’t fire the GM (or maybe the coach) just based on recent results. If they are making a-priori sound decisions that just don’t pan out then you might as well stick with them.

  62. C-Sword says:

    Watching them play right now makes me miss Koivu, Kovy and Tanguay. I wonder if Kovalev would have done a better job than Cammy on the power plays? The overpaid smurfs are totally useless when they don’t score, it’s not like they can play defense.

    Like I said yesterday, I hope that they get destroyed tomorrow, they might as well put Budaj in the net.

    Tank & rebuild.

    • G-Man says:

      Kovy floated, Tanguay didn’t play with a boo-boo and Koivu’s time in Montreal with a divided room was over. Happy they’re all elsewhere.
      Being happy that the Habs lose for some vague promise that a low finish will garner them a “star” makes no sense.
      Having all these players slump at once is pretty much a surprise. And it’s a bad one.

      _______________________________________________

      11 more losses to 9th place…or worse

      • C-Sword says:

        I’m sure that the room isn’t divided now…

        • PureGuava says:

          I think about guys like Cammy, Subban, Pacioretty….they all seem like polarizing figures – not exactly the type of guys you want a locker room full of.

          “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
          - Robert Anton Wilson

          • Mattyleg says:

            What on Earth makes you so sure about how they act in the locker room?
            This kind of speculation, I don’t get.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The three players you mentioned are just as bad as what we have now.

      • PureGuava says:

        ..except that they make less, and are more likable.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Ha! More likable?
          Liked by who? Their parents?
          All of those players were regularly panned by both the fans and the media (with the sometime exception of Koivu, which I never really understood).

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • PureGuava says:

            Pacioretty and Cammy are obsessive workout guys, even more so than your average pro athelete – everybody hates those guys.

            Pacioretty is also a bible thumper, and American – two more strikes against him.

            PK is always on the mic, talks like he’s been in the league 30 years, and makes foolish plays.

            Anything else?

            “Of course I’m crazy, but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.”
            - Robert Anton Wilson

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      The PP would not be this bad if Kovy was manning the halfboards.

  63. Old Bald Bird says:

    I didn’t watch the game, so I am asking if it was a case of the team reverting to the pacifism and ennui that they were displaying under JM or if they just got steamrolled by a superior team. I can’t quite tell from the various comments that I have read.

    • Lizardking89 says:

      Well the short version of the game story was Halak was great in nets and handled the few opportunities we had to score very well. We got pushed around in our own rink again by a more talented team and the boys got discouraged and folded early.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Steamrolled by a superior team.
      For 55 minutes, we looked like we were punch-drunk.
      They were all over us, and we had no room to play.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  64. Bripro says:

    I can no longer boast that the Habs are unbeaten in 2012.
    Well, it was nice while it lasted (2 games….WOW).

  65. newbrunswick troy says:

    wow another loss to a team that was ( BIGGER , JUST AS FAST, JUST AS SKILLED!!!) All the players on this team are NHL caliber,however the formula is absolutely wrong, when Bob Gainey started to rebiuld this team i don,t blame him for going small and fast as the leaugue looked like it was going that way!!!But his gamble faltered. The players on this team are not physicaly able to handle the riggers of 82 games.
    This team need to draft bigger and trade off skill like Cammy,Gio, D.D, and go with the likes of Cole and Pac etc

  66. shiram says:

    Gio not on the trip to Boston.

  67. Cardiac says:

    Big props go out to my buddy Saku Koivu. Got a hat trick last night and is +10 this season, by far the best +/- on a horrible Ducks team.

    And to think we let him walk and replaced him with Scott f’ing Gomez is shameful.

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

  68. slamtherimtim says:

    George Gillette built this team into a world class orginization , at the time of the centenial , although the team suck , there was a better feeling about the team.

    Geoff has tried to ride the wave , and now we are pussyfied , the managment of this team is a joke , both geoff and PG should be ashamed of what they have done or not done to fix the situation , Campoli , karberle and cole , markov, thats 1 out of 4 moves that actually help the team , the other 3 handcuff them this year and in the future , the team is worse this year than it was last year , thats a regression which should not be happening at this point.

  69. shiram says:

    http://www.capgeek.com/free_agents.php

    This is the list of free agent coming after this season.
    Whom does the Habs need to target to improve their team, and are there enough players to make MTL a competitive team?
    Share your thoughts!

    • Bripro says:

      It’s hard to speculate, not knowing what Geoff Molson plans on doing with the Gomez contract.
      That’s the difference between picking up an elite and not.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Gomez will be gone. His Salary was tolerable when you have a playoff team but when you are struggling like the habs are it will force their hands on fence post topics

        • slamtherimtim says:

          gomer is a waste no matter what team he is on

        • shiram says:

          I too feel something will have been done with Gomez.
          Cunneyworth’s comment on Gomez bineg top 6 was annoying to me, there is no place in the top 6 for him, but at least he said he’d have to earn his TOI.

          • Bripro says:

            Pretty sad when you think about it.
            $7MM+ /yr and he has to earn a spot on the top 3 lines, when he should be an automatic first line centre man.

          • shiram says:

            If only salary dictated skills, right?

          • Bripro says:

            You’ve got that right.
            If I hired a guy for my company who’s supposed to be a top performer, the leash would be short, and he’d perform, or he’d be gone.
            I know with NHL contracts, it doesn’t really work that way, but it should.

          • shiram says:

            Next CBA should be a doozy…
            Think we get a full season next year?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Dominic Moore for Face offs and extra offense. Great on penalty kill and can play top six when needed. take the place of that Noka guy.

      Shawn Thornton for the fourth line with white. I hate Thornton but along with being tough he can actually play hockey. Would take the place of Darche.

      Pavel Kubina – Help our PP and would help with toughness on our back end. Would need to get rid of Kabby for the Salary though

      • twilighthours says:

        I would overpay for Thornton. I don’t think he’s going anywhere though.

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      • shiram says:

        If only Blair Betts could have played.
        Or they had kept Halpern, or before that Metropolit or Moore!

        My problem with this is that Ryan White is a capable 4th line center, though I guess he could play wing if needed.
        Hard to see any team willing to take on Kabs at this point, if it can be done, we’ll have to give props to the GM who did it.

        • vegas says:

          So you are worried about a 4th line center that would play 5 minutes a game. We have bigger problems that have to be solved

          • shiram says:

            What’s this with worried? I’m not worried.
            Also having a good fourth line center would mean he can play more than 5 minutes, contrary to the present situation.
            and I was replying to Kooch who suggested the team could be improved by getting a 4th line center, can’t this be discussed also?

    • mdp2011 says:

      yikes, besides Weber and Parise, not much on that list worth over paying for.

    • gloveside says:

      Wow. Good thing we didn’t “waste” that $3M on Jagr. He’d be our leading scorer right now.

      Would love to get a real back-up for Price. Oops, we’re stuck with Budaj for another season.

      It would be nice to scoop a couple of proper 2-way forwards such as Chris Kelly or David Jones.

      No way in hell we’d get a sniff of Parise and there isn’t really another contract-worthy game-breaker available. Trade route? Play all the kids?

      • shiram says:

        To be fair Budaj does not play, his skills are only of use for practice.
        And management tried to get Jagr, he decided to go with Philly, can’t blame Jagr on that one.
        But yea the point Free agent crop does not like it could turn the Habs around.

    • Habsbill24 says:

      Who would want to go to Montreal with this circus going on? High taxes, unsettled management, unyielding media and a fishbowl existence plus a team that sucks. Unless you overpay big time, no free agent is coming here. Why would they?

  70. CF says:

    I agree with the “About Last Night” assessment.
    As I sat and watched the game, I was thinking that our Habs have not played a faster team all year. Every possession was contested by two, three, and sometimes four Blues.
    The backchecking was incredible, and when you have bigger, stronger players pressuring you, it’s only a matter of time.
    It’s great coaching, but it’s also great teamwork, and some very good players.
    Jaro was Jaro, calm, cool, collected, not fazed. I only saw him make two difficult save, maybe one, on Pleks breakaway.
    I begin every game with the hope, and lately, with the hope our speed and quickness will win over size and toughness. Toughness didn’t beat us against St. Louis, but size and strength did. St. Louis didn’t have to run around, or pick fights like the goons in Boston.
    I’m starting to think a top five pick maybe the way to go.
    With that said, we could squeeeeek in and probably beat Boston given another chance. Who knows.
    A top five, and a GM to work some magic at Trade Deadline Day, in part to get rid of Kaberle and Gomez, and to do whatever is necessary to land Shae Weber.
    Nothing to it.

  71. Kooch7800 says:

    Lets see what PG does now cause his butt is on the line. He put a spot light on his butt with the Kabby deal and firing JM and it really is not panning out so far.

    It could get a lot worse real soon if we make dumb trades

  72. HabFanSince72 says:

    On the other thread Ian said “a lot of coaches bypass Montreal because this foolish language thing”.

    There are only two types of potential coaches: those currently employed by an NHL team and those not.

    The first group cannot be hired.

    The second group would be unlikely to refuse a job offer.

    So Ian – can you name one coach who “avoided Montreal because of the language issue”?

    Can you even name one person who was offered the Habs head coaching position and refused it, for any reason?

    Because if you can’t then you are kinda out to lunch with your language issue nonsense.

    • Bripro says:

      Alright Paul. Here goes…I was wrong.
      I was certain that the team would show up, since they played with intensity the two previous games.
      So frustrating! Cammy was just horrible.
      Open net and he puts it 3 feet wide. Some sniper, this year.
      19 shots on a shut-down goalie with the 3rd best GAA in the league.
      I’m so depressed (I know, I need a life.).

    • Kooch7800 says:

      If they have to have a french speaking coach why not marc crawford? Mean as heck and is a former cup winner.

    • twilighthours says:

      Fair point – unlikely that an unemployed coach would turn down an offer. But we know that unemployed players have turned down offers from the team. English ones and French ones.

      I can speculate that the current climate of the team, surrounded by the language debate, is doing nothing to further attract potential free agents.

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      • HabFanSince72 says:

        We know Briere preferred Philly because he thought they were the better team. Jagr too.

        If free agents are shunning the team why do we have so many free agents on our team?

        Fact is the Habs are not a top top free agent destination (Rangers and Philly seems to be), but they are probably a top tier destination. How many big name free agents are signing on in Toronto for example?

        • twilighthours says:

          We have some free agents – let’s look at them:

          Gionta – signed because of his good buddy Gomer
          Cammalleri – signed for the price premium he got
          Cole – same as above
          Moen – same as above
          Campoli – no one else wanted him
          Gill – fair market value, good signing at the time. This one is legit

          I don’t consider Diaz, Darche, DD free agents in the same sense. No one was clamouring for their services.

          There have been lots and lots of pitches to free agents over the years (Richards, Sundin, Jagr, Briere are the recent high profile ones). These are the ones we’ve got.

          Do you really think that the NHL players DON’T think about the language issue when deciding? We know for a fact that Lecavalier doesn’t want to play in MTL because – in part – of the atmosphere, and he’s French.

          The team sucking doesn’t help. But it’s not the only factor. YOu know this to be true.

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        • avatar_58 says:

          The reality is the habs never seem to have enough money to even make realistic offers. When they signed Cammy and Gio they had TONS of cash to throw around. Look how much they offered Cole as well.

          Offer up a good amount of dough/term and you can sign anyone. Make stupid offers like 2mil for one year and the guy is going to look elsewhere.

          It’s claimed the habs went for Richards – I bet they didn’t offer anything worthwhile.

      • kirkiswork says:

        I really don’t think that the language debate makes too much news outside of Quebec (some, but not much).
        The French media is the main driving force behind the debate.
        I’m sure that if you read the Boston Globe or the Vancouver Sun there is hardly any mention of it.
        I really don’t think the players even give a crap about it.
        They just go where the money is best.

        • twilighthours says:

          I’m not an NHL insider, but a member of my family is employed at a fairly high up position on an NHL team, with plenty of pro hockey players as friends. What he tells me is that players want to get top $$, yes, but they also want to play in a good environment. He says that the least desirable places to play are Montreal, Toronto, Edmonton, Calgary, and now Winnipeg. Since he’s the best that I’ve got for info (and it’s pretty good), I’m going with it.

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          • mrhabby says:

            you have mentioned all Canadian cities..its no surprise that players want to avoid the limelight and pressure…

          • G-Man says:

            So, from your family member says, is that pro hockey players would rather play where people don’t give a rat’s ass about hockey?

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          • gloveside says:

            It’s not just the pressure of playing in a Canadian city, or the stupid language debate, it’s the fact that they are constantly in the limelight in Canada. No private life at all. Not only for the player, but for his family as well. Not to mention the outrageous taxes they have to pay in Canada. Why not play in TB or LA where your family can avoid the Canadian winters, play golf on your days off and walk down the street without being harassed? In Quebec it’s even worse tax-wise.

          • twilighthours says:

            G-man: yup. FOr most of these guys, it’s just a job. Yeah they want to win, but it’s just a job.

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    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      Maybe Ian meant to say that other coaches “ARE BYPASSED” due to the french language issue some Quebecois have.

    • Mike D says:

      Your whole post is ridiculous. You call Ian out on a new thread about a post from the previous thread which means you checked to see that he didn’t reply. I did reply and called you out a bit, but last I checked you didn’t reply to me. While I have enjoyed some of your posts since being a member at HIO, this really irks me. I apologize in advance if the below seems harsh.

      I’m not saying any coach turned down a job in Montreal due to the language thing, but it’s no secret that certain coaches aren’t even likely to be considered if they only speak english. Hell, even Muller said he didn’t think he had a chance at getting the job because he only spoke english and he was with the organization for years both as a player and in a coaching role. Also, it’s not likely possible to know one way or the other whether Montreal was ever turned down for a coaching opening or not as that type of information is usually kept from the public. I’m not sure they would even release a list of candidates they were considering.

      If anything, you’re the one who’s out to lunch about the language issue and it being nonsense. Former President of the organization, Pierre Boivin, even stated in an interview that the language issue exists and inhibits the team from getting the best personnel. The only “nonsense” is that that the team knowingly allows it to hold them back.

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  73. ralphkim says:

    Very frustrating to see this team play as a long time fan. How did Ottawa,Toronto, Florida make decisions that moved them ahead of a team that just needed so called “twiches” in their lineup. Time to regroup, call it quits and make wholesale changes… Call Anaheim as an example.. Put a few on waivers ..Lets go now and fast…

    • avatar_58 says:

      Why the hell DON’T they target one of the Anaheim guys? It’s not like anyone on this roster is untouchable. Make it happen. Let’s get Getzlaf or Ryan. Or both.

      Pleks, Cammy, Gionta, whatever make it happen. Oh right, habs. They don’t believe in blowing up the team. They did it once and failed.

  74. veryhabby says:

    It’s just so sad to see a lack of work ethics. It’s sad to see that there is no vet on this team who can rally the troops and be an example to the youth. Not a knock on Gionta as captain. I think it takes more then one person to lead a team. Remember that playoff season 2 yrs ago? Remember how we had a team of 5 leaders…who were vocal and lead on the ice too. Right now our top guys who should be doing this aren’t. I think Gorges is the only one who should be able to look himself in the mirror and feel ok about his role on this team. But how can the young Dmen look up to Gill anymore the way he plays? How can Eller, DD, Pac look up to Gio, Cammy, Pleks, Gomez? Only Cole is leading on ice. and there is only so much he can do.

    I just don’t get how a core that ended 6th last year, made off season improvements can be where they are this season. I don’t feel they are this bad. Like PG I am somewhat surprise with the results. But there is a lack of leaders on this team. No one is grabbing the players and showing them how it’s done. I know losing can kill those types of players, I know losing can kill confidence. It’s just a big downward roll.

    The question now that management has to decide is…was it just an off year? Or do we need to dump some of the core and build in a new direction . It’s obvious that the team felt these were the guys to lead the team and their contracts all expire in another 2 yrs. so do we stay put as is with minor tweaks. Or do we do a clean up and start again. Time will tell what this management group decides.

    • savethepuck says:

      Coming into the season I thought the same about this team as you did. Unfortunately for some reason there only a handful of players playing up to their potential. If someone had told me this summer that in mid January our 3rd best line would be Plex, Cammy and Gio, I would of told them they were crazy. I thought we had a good room full of character and leaders and I can’t believe what I am seeing from them.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
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    • Kooch7800 says:

      that is the problem I think though, Gio has been hurt and struggling, Cammy Same, and Gomez injured. All of them were instrumental a couple years ago in taking leadership. Now with all of their play I think their leadership is struggling as well.
      Pleks is also struggling. I think this team should shed some dead weight and they will be better next year. We need to get some more size up front. Gio or cammy has to go or both for that matter. I like Darche’s effort but for his size needs to be a lot more physical. I know he has tried this year and is 3rd on the team in hits but he should be making the D think twice about going in the corner. he is too soft for 4th line…same with Nokawhatever..

      Keep the Eller line together but I think Moen will be gone and possibly AK….so we need to replace the size factor.

      Max P and Cole with DD works great as a second line. We just need a first line lol

      Plek’s is suited for a second line centre but has had terrible wingers to play with this year.

      Markov should help stabalize the D next year but we need a more physical edge back there other than Emelin. PK drops the odd hit but not nearly enough.

  75. Bripro says:

    Are you a masochist?

  76. Kooch7800 says:

    don’t think I will be able to watch that one….will be painful.
    Will PVR it and fast forward through it as a safe guard. Plus last night felt like a waste of time watching

  77. martincurran55 says:

    Did anybody else notice how bad Cammy wants out of here. He is the laziest player I have ever watched. I mean come on. As much as I hate Gomez, and I do want him gone for a bag of pucks, he actually plays harder than Cammy. These guys have to go and also Gio. We need to blow this team up. I am not one of those who jumps on and off of the bandwagon. This team never had a chance with the current roster. I just hope we have some GM’s out there who are willing to take some of these guys on with a couple/few years left on a lot of there contracts.

  78. PureGuava says:

    I’ll take Savard any day!

  79. mdp2011 says:

    yes, lets bring back Andre Savard, I long for the days of Dykhuis, Sylvain Blouin, Marius Czerkawski, Dackell, Bullis, Fichaud,Juneau, Kilger, Bill Lindsya, Randy Mckay, Patick Traverse, Petrov, Niclos Sundstrom. Wow, that team was stacked, those were the good old days.

  80. PureGuava says:

    i could cherry pick all of Gainey’s brutal moves too guy…

  81. mdp2011 says:

    Here is the link to the 2002-2003 roster, last year of the great Andre Savard as GM.

    http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/search/roster/2002-2003

  82. mdp2011 says:

    not cherry picking anything, those are just some of the players on the of 2002-2003 team, the last year Savard was GM. See for yourself what a great team Savard had assembled that year.

    http://ourhistory.canadiens.com/search/roster/2002-2003

  83. 123456 says:

    totally agree – we all know (or should have known) the habs are not an elite team. the issue IMO boils down to lack of scoring – more than just cammy are having an off year. but trading away all the underperformers leaves them with????

    the NHL is a crap shoot – like it or not it’s how buttman set it up

  84. Stev.R says:

    I love Cammy and have no doubt that he will have plenty of good seasons in the future. He has been a positive influence on our team since he has arrived. But if we are going to finish outside of the playoffs this year, and are serious about making changes in order to rebuild for the future, then Cammy is probably our best expendable asset. We could get a lot for him (I’m thinking Depres and a high pick from Pitt ;) ) That said if we are only going to do a half ass rebuild and only trade him, then I don’t think its worth it. We would have to go out and trade Cammy, Kostitsyn, Weber, Campoli, Gionta, Gomez (everyone is tradeable!), maybe Kaberle, maybe Gill, maybe Moen. Basically everyone but our best young players, and a couple Vets like Pleks, Cole, and Markov. Everyone else can be replaced with good young FA that we sign relatively long term (3/4 seasons), over the hill FA that still produce somewhat that we sign short term, or prospects like Palushaj and Leblanc.

  85. The Cat says:

    No doubt he’ll score, but the thing is he typically scores 50% of his goals on the PP, I want players that score 75% 5on5 or else I wouldnt want them…Too many special teams guys on the habs, and remember at the beginning of the year people were talking about Cole’s lack of PP numbers in Carolina, and Cole is the habs’ best forward by a mile.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  86. But that’s hockey. When players become complacent sometimes you’re patient with them and sometimes you move them. Sometimes they find their mojo, and most times they don’t. It doesn’t take four months to find your touch. Cammalleri plays like he wants out, and I bet they are working on it, but no one wants him, otherwise he’d be gone.

    I won’t the type do dwell on past players. Great for Ryder, he in the West, playing in front of 10k fans a night. I’m sure he’s happy, but I wouldn’t be. There’s a reason he keeps getting moved around, but we’ll never know until you ask one of his old team mates over a beer and even then you can’t say anything because it was said in trust. wink wink (no one likes him) cough cough

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  87. J_P says:

    I will never complain, because the guy makes $6 million. To get good ROI on that $6M, cammy has to put up 35+ goals, and there is zero evidence that he will ever accomplish that again, and especially not in Montreal. Either we have to shake up the roster to find players that compliment him, or jettison him. Frankly I think the latter is the easier way to go.

    Just because a player starts lighting it up elsewhere, doesnt mean they would have done so with their current organization. All in all cammy doesnt look like he enjoys MTL anymore, and his body language reeks of a bad attitude.

  88. avatar_58 says:

    There’s a difference between trading a young up and comer draft pick versus a vet who’s not pulling his weight. I don’t consider UFA’s assets, they are rentals.

  89. LA Loyalist says:

    well, it depends who we get for him. LA would take him for sure, if we offered Ducks, Cammi and Gorges we could get Ryan, I think.

    The problem is then we need Gorges replaced. This trade thing is not so easy when we are a team with not very many good players.

  90. Stev.R says:

    Tampa needs help on their PP, send Kaberle there at the deadline for Carter Ashton. They have lots of good prospects and that guy would be a stud for us!

    Need a big center? St. Louis has lots of them and could use a solid second liner if the want to make a run at the cup. Send Gio there for Nick Bjugstad. Done.

  91. vegas says:

    teh way he’s playing now I’d trade Pleks before getting rid of AK

    either way Pleks and DD cannot both be on our team, one of the 2 has to go. We have to get bigger at center and overall

  92. Mattyleg says:

    As Brunet said, you can get away with not backchecking effectively if you’re scoring. Otherwise… it’s hard to justify.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  93. PeterStone says:

    like i said earlier, if they were serious about winning, Gomez would have been gone last july 1st, but they chose to keep a guy who was washed up BEFORE he got here. The fact they paid Cammi 6M$ when they signed him proved they werent building a winning team, they were just filling out a roster. Cammi should thank God for Bob Gainey.

  94. G-Man says:

    Cammy makes $7 mil then next 2 seasons with a cap hit of $6 mil. No takers at that price.

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  95. shiram says:

    Gio has 15 points in 31 games, on a pace for about 40 points, that’s not very good for a top 6 guy.
    Saying Gomez is not good is beating a reanimated dead horse that was killed again.

  96. shiram says:

    Cammy had 2 good last seasons, not great but better PPG than Gio by about 8 to 10 points.

  97. steve17 says:

    If the Habs make the playoffs, it could be the worse possible thing for them! Then Management will think they are still contenders and stay with the status quo! They need to fire gauthier and Gainey and bring in a progressive GM that is in touch with the current NHL.

    As a die hard Habs fan, I would rather watch a rebuilding Habs team for a couple of years instead of a bunch that stumble into the playoffs and then fade away. Cammalleri may get a lot of points in the playoffs, but it would be nice to see the habs somewhere between 3rd and 5th in the standings year in and out and be real contenders again.

    Habfan17

  98. J_P says:

    How is he the third most overrated player? TO be overrated there has to be some base of people that actually think the player is good. Are there people out there who actually think gomez is good? lol

  99. Phil C says:

    C’mon, Gerry, Gionta is small, but he is not soft, he plays harder than most wingers of any size. Are you a Habs fan?

  100. J_P says:

    Youd think people dont actually watch the games here. What? Is it some sort of coincidence that any player who gets put on gomez’ line goes into a slump? lol

  101. J_P says:

    As much as I would love that, I highly doubt Parise signs here. I guess he would sign here if we give him $8 million, but im tired of overpaying free agents. They will simply never live up to that kind of salary and cap hit.

  102. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    Wow, what a classy comment to a hard working,effective player like Gionta — the problem with Habs is we don’t have nearly enough Gionta’s and :” fans ” like you.

  103. aj says:

    At least Julien has more sense in his talk than some of the other people from RDS or the Montreal Canadiens Fans who jeered against Cunneyworth.


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