HIO at practice: Fight!


Your Montreal Canadiens return to the ice 10:30 a.m. Monday at the Brossard practice facility.
Josh Gorges will talk about his new contract.
And Pierre Gauthier will emerge from his heavily-fortified bunker for a rare media briefing.

• FIGHT! Subban and Plekanec, behind the net. They went for a while before Gorges broke it up.

• Lines: Cole-Plekanec-Max-Pac, Cammalleri-DD-Blunden, AK46-Eller-Moen, Darche-Nokelainen-Leblanc

• Gomez and Gionta are on the second ice

• The team is doing dry-land training on the indoor soccer pitch.


  1. Habby67 says:

    Just when I thought these guys didnt have a pulse!! Who woulda knew!! lol

    • CanadianPGA says:

      Long time away from HIO; Happy New Year all! Let’s hope for the grace of good luck and hot goal tending in 2012 but…

      I fell silent when I thought it couldn’t get more embarrassing than the 12 million dollar “G’s”. But fighting at practice…I had to check in and see if anyone else felt like watching Junior C for the rest of the season too? Might as well make a few other embarrassing changes as well. None the least of all should be trading Gionta and Gomez. Either that or inflate #13 so he can kick everyone’s arse into line. Skadoosh!?! Just my humble opinion; might be time to shrink back into silence. But really, if its this bad get it over with. I realize it’s not the good ole’days but you can rebuild quickly with what the HABs have if you sacrifice early in the season. There is enough there. And as seems to be expressed openly here, there ain’t enough “working” parts for the price tag of a few key lemons. That won’t even roll over to be humped all over the ice. And no that wasn’t a shot at the best freaking goalie on the planet. Or the frailest D-man going. Russian tan for 20 million…going once.

      Maybe fans more experienced than me have seen it worse. But even when I recall the play-off-less days and how defeated the team seemed, this un-team of now is embarrassing. A side show of circus off the ice over-and-over again. I mean cripes; how did previous management deal with off-ice antics? Oh yah…but they also carved a few laps in centre-hice. Ready to cheer…just give me a reason.

      Stuck in Ontario. Surrounded by Blue. Just looking for a reason to bleu-blancs et rouge these Leaf’s fans into the dirt.

      It’s time to do more than talk, whatever the lingual. They’re flipp’en wearing the hallowed colours. Regardless of colour. Let’s play good hockey boys! For no other reason your fans absolutely deserve it!!

      I’d say play for pride, but I saw the last few games…

  2. good some actual emotion. Scrap it up boys….turn the tide whatever it takes. Everybody hates to continually lose…emotions are raw…i will scrap with anyone jiving me as well these days. Back to work tomorrow (and i live in canuckland) I expect lots of “hey how are your Habs doing fella” …grrrrr
    Well i did live the glory years…and now it seems like karmic turnabout coming at me… boo hoo, oh well… got to suck it up. Win a couple boys or it will be a dismal winter for all.

  3. bring back the intensity of a couple of games back…want to really win throughout, not just with a minute or two left in the third… oh yah, can Lady Luck sit on our bench for a while….? I tire of it being on the opponents. Refs, them controversial goals in Tampa Bay hurt – St.Louis goal sure did look like a high stick to me… oh well,, go habs

  4. habstrinifan says:

    Can it get any worse. A team with the softest of players and one who just did a 10plus turtle in the last game.. fight in prectice. I know some will say yes that’s good! And many have already said it’s P.K’S fault.

    My take, as I have said before… too many team-meetings where self-appointed gooie-doodies use the tem “we” to mean something else.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. When will this joke end. And I see on TSN Canadiens have ‘apologized’ for a unlingual coach. I am sur ethe Cunneyworth clan are currently penning heartfelt feelings of thank-you to whoever did the apologizing. And oh yeah… the pugilistic player smust be real confident in the authority of this coach now.

    Well I better go catch ‘fully read’ all the news. My gut reaction is above. Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

  5. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    @price365 –Mr.Duck, I respectfully disagree- a potential 86 left out there -with the 43 games left to be played. When have Canadiens ever been blowout out by any team this year. Let’s hope 1 goal losses become 1 goal wins in 2012 –Tell me why that;s not possible please.

    • solomio says:

      I’m with you Bobcat. It ain’t over ’till it’s over and there’s a lot more hockey yet to be played and the Habs are getting better under RC with every game.

      “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

    • habsfanforever7631 says:

      I’m with you also Bobcat, for a while i thought I was the only one that thought that the season wasn’t over till it’s over.
      Yeah alot of the fans want the Habs to tank, but really, how would it feal losing 30-35 more games?
      I’m a fan, I want my team to win more then they lose.
      I don’t enjoy losing.

      I don’t care what anyone says, but I still “believe!”
      Go Habs Go
      Oh yeah, and good job PG.

  6. jhab93 says:

    Gomez and Gionta are on the second ice
    Thats why there was a fight

    Thats the way the cookie crumbles

  7. Sharks9 says:

    Blunden on the 3rd line with LL on the 4th? Please tell me that’s not actually going to happen.

    25 before 14

    • Corson27 says:

      No kidding if that is the way it is going to be please send Louis to Hamilton.

      I am sick and tired of mediocrity

  8. anotherhab says:

    does anyone know when Gio, GLove and White are coming back?

  9. Hockey Bob says:

    Subban is a headcase, maybe Plekanec had enough of his flapping gumbs and his it is all about me attitude.

    Subban thinks he is all that and that is the problem, Plekance is a decent hardworking player.

    • HabsTrueBlue says:

      Wow hope you never get selected for jury duty!

    • solomio says:

      Yeah Instead of PK picking on Pleks of all people why doesn’t he stop turtling like a freaking wus and start laying some love on his opponents once in a while. And if he wants to get pushy with his team mates may I suggest that he try Moen on for size, just so he can learn some pointers you understand.
      I wonder if PK could be an internal problem ??

      “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  10. Ian Cobb says:

    PK and Plekanic, two players that have been screwing up lately. Do they want out of town? What is up with that.?

    Hard for the whole team to get it together when team mates are trying to punch each other out. Is there no one in charge of this team? Leaderless and you go to the bottom, matter of fact, we are already there..

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      I’ve been thinking most of the season that a lot of these guys want out of town.

      They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

      • solomio says:

        Well I wish they’d just come out and say so. Team would be a hell of a lot better off for it.

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          Real trouble is, who would want in until there is a real “change of culture”. One problem seems to be leading to another. Taxes, language, media, fans. It’s a tough place to play, and as a bubble team (or worse) it’s never going to be easy to get the best available players to play in Montreal.

          And I contend burn out is a real issue with the guys. More than three years on this team for a UFA is a real testament to how mentally tough you are, or how insignificant you are to the media/fans.

          They lost me 2 quarts of rum, better make it up next year with a cup!

    • CanadianPGA says:


      Long time away from HIO; Happy New Year! I fell silent when I thought it couldn’t get more embarrassing than the 12 million dollar “G’s”. But fighting at practice…I had to check in and see if anyone else felt like watching Junior C for the rest of the season too? Might as well make a few other embarrassing changes as well. None the least of all should be trading Gionta and Gomez. Either that or inflate #13 so he can kick everyone’s arse into line. Skadoosh!?! Time to shrink back into silence.

      Maybe fans more experienced than me have seen it worse. But even when the seasons were “relative” to how defeated this un-team is, they were never an embarrassing circus off the ice over-and-over again. I mean cripes; how did previous management deal with off-ice antics? Oh yah…but they also carved a few laps in centre-hice. Ready to cheer…just give me a reason.

  11. HabsinLA says:

    Going to paraphrase my post below because by the time I replied it’s already buried…

    Of the last 10 cup winners, 5 were good teams (Wings 2, Devils, Avs, Bruins? they had a bad season 2 years before their cup season, but none of those players made a deep impact yet) Avs technically tanked as the Nordics. 4 tanked to get stars that subsequently contributed greatly to their winning the cup. Only one was a true cinderella team (Hurricanes).

    Now we can’t draft like the Wings, can’t attract FAs like the Rangers, can’t have people come to us to get fleeced like the Bruins or Ducks. Unless we can resurrect Sam Pollock and hire Scotty Bowman, our only choice is to draft high end talent and our chances of drafting high end talent is higher with the 1-5 pick than with the 15-20 pick.

    Now, who do you think has a better chance of winning the Cup in the next 10 years? The Flames who after losing in the Finals kept mucking about, trading their farm and signing aged veterans for another magical run. Or the Oilers who after their run and Pronger’s departure tanked and picked up a ton of great young players? (Leafs/Sens is probably another valid comparison). Me, I’d rather watch the Oilers or the Sens in 2 years.

    • Trisomy 21 says:

      I stopped reading after the first paragraph. Pitts and Chicago aren’t good teams? Anaheim was a pretty good team, look at the roster they had and the same can be said about TB. I’m not going to look into the other teams because this post is not worth the time.

    • Phil C says:

      I think the point is that out of the last 10 Cup winners, 4 were built by a series of lottery picks, 5 were built without lottery picks, and Carolina was a long-shot win. It shows that you don’t HAVE to tank to win the cup, but you ALWAYS have to draft well and manage assets well, IMO.

  12. ebourcier says:

    Is there video of the tussle?


  13. One last thing, the Habs had a dynasty and could still build on that, but we all have to realize that it is simply history and the league is far bigger and more talented today, so it is hard for any team to build a perennial winner.

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

  14. Wow! Even the HIO crew are sparing now! Look folks (especially JoeyBarrie), we fans that have been watching and breathing the Habs for over 40 years have seen the team implode and succumb to the French xenophobe argument to the Molson business case and all issues in between. If you look at the Yankees, who are perennial contenders, their organization doesn’t put up with BS from the media, fans or internally. They spend and get performance and lack of it means you’re out. This team is run inconsistently and unprofessionally imo since most of the past coaches and assistant coaches (French with few exceptions, I might add) have gone onto bigger and more successful stays (I believe Julien has a cup now?). We have squandered players at drafts, hurt the talent we’ve had (P.K. is emotional and fed up and who wouldn’t be. Why not let him play the agitator role that we as a team can use to our advantage) and traded for late stage veterans who help a little when we ned more help than we can say. So what is left? A complete house cleaning. A complete redefining of the mission, goal and strategy in dealing with the media and the imbecile politicians that would dare wade into a sports team issue. It’s as hare brained as having the Montreal police investigate Charanstein instead of having our boys on ice, take care of a goon. Yes, we are small with limited grit and talent and when the horses are out of the barn that is on fire, what do you do? Let it burn down, get the key horses that are prized back in the barn if they’ll go when it is rebuilt, or restock with a whole new set of horses under new trainers and managers since the last ones didn’t prevent the fire and the loss of the talent. Just be prepared as we’ll no doubt see some key losses play very well in less dysfunctional team environments than ours. Sad to say it, but just being practical despite the hopes and dreams of some self-proclaimed die-hard Habs fans. Winning 30 out of the next 40 games? I’ll take the opposite side of that bet any day! More likely a .500 remainder of the season with a 76-80 point tally. Maybe that will shut the French separatist press and politicians up since it was PG who was (and I mean was!) running this team.

    Promote the Youth, Support From The Veterans and Remember the Heritage!

    • The Dude says:

      All for not if we don’t get a real deal championship building G.M.but I agree oldschool.

    • gumper says:

      Not having to contend with a salary cap allows the mighty Yanks the wherewithal to continually overpower their opposition by simply outspending them.

      • Sal says:

        True that. The Yankees have been cheating the system for years. A lot harder to build contenders with the current NHL salary cap, and free agent structure. Before the Lock Out hockey resembled the baseball situation, with the Rich teams feasting on the poor teams, that couldn’t afford to pay their free agents. Now, is there major problems with the current NHL, CBA? For sure, but, it’s way more level than baseball. The NFL, where even Green Bay can compete to win a Super Bowl gets it right. Problem with NHL, too many teams in markets that will NEVER get hockey. Bettman, who wants expansion to be HIS legacy, is a stubborn idiot! All of hockey suffers this fool!!

        Sal from the Hammer

  15. The Dude says:

    Subban and Plecs doing a cheap shot exhibition,oy!

  16. Chuck says:

    Alex Auld in the practice photo? Really? 😉

  17. price365 says:

    This team won’t make the playoffs…by the time they make a good trade…it’ll be too late.

  18. thehockeybeat says:

    Anybody getting the impression that P.K. is not the easiest hombre to get along with ?

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      PK is young and still got some maturing to do. I’m sure if you review the video you will see they were just slapping each other. Plekanec won’t fight he’s too afraid to break a nail. It’s just done for the media.

      Maybe the next fight will be Cammy vs Gill. 🙂

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        wow a little harsh on the Habs best forward aren’t we?

        I would love to see more energy from Cammalleri or Gill. A fight might do the trick!

        • Bill J says:

          Pleks our best forward ? That’s so last year, Pleks has been as impressive as Cammy lately…

          If you want to add an avatar here, read this and follow the steps

          Go Habs Go!

    • Da Hema says:

      The one thing that hasn’t experienced a sophomore slump is his flapping mouth. That young man needs to grow up — soon. The Canadiens seem to draft a lot of babies now.

    • ebourcier says:

      Where can i see the video!


    • How much fun would you be to be around if everyone around you pointed out each and every one of your shortcomings. People need to chill when it comes to PK. There’s a ton of raw talent and a sophomore slump for a d-man is nothing new (see how Tyler Myer’s year is going?). You can’t deny he had the ability to inspire us last year with his admittedly risky end to end rushes, but do we have a d-man that comes anywhere close to him in his potential? No, we don’t.

  19. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Plekanec and Subban…no biggie, both players have been playing terrible as of late (albeit Pleks still leads the team in points), frustrations get the better of you sometimes. Surprised that the gloves were dropped though…seems a little serious this time?

    I would still be happy if PK was shipped out west for a goal scorer.

    I like the Gorges term, not the amount of cash spent. I love the guy (captain material), but that is a little too much IMO, unless the plan is to trade Gionta and make Gorges captain…Oh well, I still love this team!

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      lol Plekanec practicing to be tough. Now that’s funny. I’m sure if it was serious, Subban could lay out Plekanec.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Who said anything about Pleks practicing to be tough? Whose post did you read?

        Dropping the gloves, kind of sounds serious, not just playing around, actually pissed off over something.

        Maybe PK is exactly like what Mike Richards, Tim Thomas, others around the league have said about him.

      • solomio says:

        Look if PK couldn’t land a punch on that twerp Bruin player ( Bergeron ? I forget his name ) then I think he’s not gonna do much better against Pleks. The only thing PK is good for laying out these days is behind the back no look passes behind his own net to opposing players.

        “I figure PG has one or 2 moves left to bring the Habs that extra step closer to perhaps being the best in the league.” – Einstein

  20. I posted a joke list of reasons for the scrap, but its likely just frustration boiling over.


  21. Bobcat Bob says:

    Bobcat Bob
    Most posters writing the Habs off this season. Hmmm ,only 40 games to go — Hope all of you come up with much egg on your face when they make the playoffs. I just wonder how much hockey some of you have actually played. There is precious little difference between a losing streak and a winning streak in hockey. Have
    the Habs ever been blown out of any game this season.????– One
    goal losses can turn into one goal wins very quickly at this level of hockey. Those of you giving up on the season, trading this player and that player, giving up on guys like AK (that is truely idiotic)
    need to have some faith — this is not a bad team ( especially when
    all injured players become available)–40 games left -that’s 80
    points to be had. Real Habs fans don’t bitch and complain and
    they sure don’t give up with half a season to play.

    • DorvalTony says:

      Real Habs fans remember real Habs teams and are real-istic. Do you think they’re going to play .700 the rest of the way with no PP no muscle and below average goaltending? Yeah everybody else will tank and les boys will shoot past them yeah.

      “Okay, everybody take a Valium.”

    • Barts says:

      *Yawn* Nietzche said “faith is not wanting to know what is true”. I can bitch and complain all I want. “Real” Habs fans have seen this movie before. It doesn’t end well. They aren’t making the playoffs. Save yourself some heartache.

    • savethepuck says:

      43 games left. I share your optimism, but it’s getting harder as this team seems to keep finding ways to lose. Right now there is only 7 points separating 1st and 8th, The Habs are 8 points out of a playoff spot. To me, that means they have to be a top 2 or 3 team in the East for the rest of the season for them to make the playoffs. Coming into this season I thought they were that, but they definately haven’t shown it. If they do make the playoffs, they will be 1 of the hottest teams in the league in the 2nd half which could bode well for success.

      Always keep the faith.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • We can splits hairs over whether this is a ‘bad’ team or an ‘average’ team fighting through injuries, but there’s no was anyone other than a blind optimist would think this is an elite team. If we are hoping to squeak in and grab the 7th or 8th place for the playoffs then I agree we’re good enough to do that, but if we pin all of our hopes on repeating the run from 2 years ago then I think we’re delusional. It may be time for a step back to take 2 forward. It’s not being a pessimist, it’s just being realistic. I don’t think we compare with the Bruins (sigh), the Flyers or Penguins, and even the Rangers and Capitals are teams to be reckoned with. And even the Lightning and Sabres are knocking on the door too, and that’s not even taking into consideration whether Florida is a flash in the pan or can sustain their performance. That’s a lot of competition for an 8th spot and I just don’t think we measure up to many of these teams right now. Still am, and will always be, a Habs fan. Just tired of working hard just to be average.

  22. D Mex says:

    Couple of observations about Subban :

    – A common criticism of the JM era was that vets trumped youngsters for ice time : PK has generally done OK in this department, presumably because of his ‘ talent ‘ …
    – This is the 2nd report of PK scrapping with teammates at practice this season. No biggie, competitive environment yadda yadda, but : where there’s smoke, sometimes there’s fire as well …
    – Subban would attract a decent return on the trade market : I’d have no problem watching him go in a smart deal – even better, a package with Gomez and futures in a swap with Nashville (Weber) or Pittsburgh (Letang) – both RH shots

    ALWAYS Habs –
    D Mex

    • mrhabby says:

      to Nashville…a sophomore dmen with lots of potential.
      a veteran hockey player on the down side of career with a bloated contract.

      to Montreal …Weber.

      never going to happen unless u throw in alot more.

      • D Mex says:

        ‘ never ‘ is when Weber intends to sign long-term in Nashville.
        The Preds know it, which is why he’ll be on the move in 2012.

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

  23. The HonestFan says:

    This should help

  24. PrimeTime says:

    This is why GM’s and Coaches don’t ignore the fans…….Read comments here and you get fans who want to trade players for early round picks and prospects; players to build a future since the current group isn’t working. Fair enough opinions and sensible to a point if the right deal can be made. However, do MTL fans have the patience for this path?? As soon as a current “young prospect” have a bad streak or a bad year i.e. Price, Subban they want them out. Ha Ha. Get real people……..as hockey people you fail more than anyone you criticize!

    • jrshabs1 says:

      Thanks for your 2 cents Prime Time.
      I’ll agree to disagree. P.K. is not the player he was. P.K. plays like a rodeo clown…jukin and jiving, don’t forget about the diving and yapping his mouth. I would like the Habs to spend thier money elsewhere this summer, but…..they won’t. I know that I’m in the minority but I can’t ignore what I see on the ice. Something bad has happened to P.K. If my comment gets a failing grade..so be it

      Go Habs Go!!

      • D Mex says:

        Valid observations about Subban IMO (see mine above)

        ALWAYS Habs –
        D Mex

      • ebourcier says:

        You guys are INSAIN!! a Dman like pk comes along once in a blue moon! Its a sophmore slump if its even that… how many dmen play as well as he has at his age! yes he has some growing up to do but how many dmen have played 100 games at his age??!? this kid is going to be one of the best dment in this league for the next 15 years! dont run him out of town like you almost did Price because you dont have the patience to wait for a player to develop.


  25. The HonestFan says:

    I hope they didn’t break a purse strap

  26. Habsssssssswin says:

    The firing of Pearn, Martin. The signing of Kaberle. The scapegoating of Cunneyworth. The Gorges contract …….
    Henry David Thoreau once remarked that “Most men lead lives of quiet desperation and go to the grave with the song still in them.”
    Eh, Pierre ………..

    • mrhabby says:

      write Geoff Molson and give him a piece of your mind.

    • SmartDog says:

      Gauthier’s moves remind me of watching my son learn to play chess when he thought that any move that captured one of my men was a good one. Of course it only took a few games for him to realize that was a losing philosophy. Gauthier’s still working on that step I guess.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • joeybarrie says:

        Its astonishing to me that some people are so jaded that they actually think they know better and understand better things that they have ZERO experience in as compared to those that have experience and are involved.
        say what you want, but the simple fact is that this team relies on every key player being fairly healthy in order to compete. The fact remains that we have had big injuries to key players almost every single game in the last 2 seasons. And not simply one or two players either.
        Bash em all you want. This team is better with Gomez, Gio and Markov. In fact next to pleks, and price they are among the most important.
        also I’ll never quite understand that if its so easy and you are so capable, why aren’t you on a short list to some team somewhere in the NHL, AHL, ECHL, or anything??? Why using that guys like BG, PG, Martin, and others are getting jobs, if they are OBVIOUSLY so inept???

        There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

        • powdered toastmann says:

          Some questions need to be asked then:

          Why do we have so many injuries?…

          We are not the only team with injuries to key personnel…that being the case, why are we so much worse than the vast majority of them?…

          We’ve heard in the media (yeah, I know, not much credibility there), but also from other Hockey experts (proven) that this team is too small and soft and has been for years…Why has this situation not been addressed? (or at least given consideration by current management)

          • joeybarrie says:

            We don’t have the depth that some teams have. We didn’t sit at the bottom for 5 years to get fairly lucky.
            But don’t kid yourself. There are other teams hurting from injuries. But none more so that the Habs.

            There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

          • powdered toastmann says:

            Yeah, but, I’m not talking about the tankers…I’m talking about mediocre teams (like Buffalo, the Rangers, St. Jose St Louis, even the Loafs) and good teams like Pittsburgh, Detroit; Vancouver etc.

        • boonie says:

          What are the qualifications of a GM? What, other than failed stints here and elsewhere, has PG done to exhibit these skills?

          Many around here argued that JM was infallible relative to the people simply because he was coach. Now that he’s been fired, is he still above criticism?

          PG makes lots of mistakes. He has a losing career record to prove it. Many people here would make some good decision. Opinion isn’t all or nothing.

          PS, I have been on the short list for a senior job with Hab executives. They couldn’t believe that someone would leave NY for a job in Montreal. Sad, but true.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            So they were surprised Gomez allowed the trade from New York to Montreal to go through?

    • Shmitzy says:

      I love it when people try to sound intelligent by quoting dead people. Henry David Thoreau wrote about civil liberties during war time you moron. Something written well over a century ago to describe a way of life you have had the lifetime luxury of knowing squat about doesn’t just universally apply to everything you decide it does. Most especially, it doesn’t translate in anyway to a friggin’ hockey team. Go read more books (or surf Wikipedia, which seems more likely for you) and quit letting the Montreal Canadiens bring you down. You’re obviously much too intelligent to waste your time with a silly little game.

    • zorro says:

      Pierre, your team is too soft, too small, you hear??
      Your team is too soft, too small, its no secret around the league.
      These guys are push-overs. You cant score, you get rubbed out and burned out, too small.
      Look at the Bruins, Champs. The Sedins played soft and lost the cup.
      Pierre you need size and grit. Look at Bickell for the Black Hawks, he single handedly beat you guys last week with his grit.
      Where is Metropolit? Halpern? Lapierre?

  27. cashbagg says:

    I’m 36 now.

    All I want for my 40th b-day is a Habs cup.

    Realistic hope?

  28. slim wallet says:

    I don’t see the need to panic and blow it all up. This team is a lot better with Gomez (even him!), Gionta (shame on anyone bad-mouthing this guy’s talent and effort) and Markov in the lineup. What are the Islanders doing with Tavares in the lineup in his third season? There are no guarantees. It took Pittsburgh and Washington and Chicago YEARS of being cellar-dwellers to become top teams. Is that what everybody wants? There is so much parity in this league, basically from third to thirteenth, that it doesn’t take much to upset plans for the Stanley Cup parade. I’m no fan of PG but I can remember watching the NHL draft and hearing Pierre Mcguire going ballistic on the Habs choice of Carey Price at 5th. There will be changes, the expendables will be expended. It’s obvious to everyone that Gill can’t keep up with the speed of the game and has not one iota of offensive skills. I think PG figured he could pick up Kaberle to help the PP this season and would not have trouble moving him down the line to someone else in the same boat. Let’s face it, Kaberle has helped the PP – at least now it has one wave of hope out there when earlier it had none. He will be dealt so I wouldn’t worry about his contract down the line. And as others have noted, the Gorges signing doesn’t hurt in negotiations with Price.

    • powdered toastmann says:

      I’m thinking you may be giving PG too much credit.

    • HabsinLA says:

      I disagree with your logic there. In each of your examples, there are other circumstances. Tavares had 54 and 67 point seasons with the Isles, he’s not the problem. The problem is all the stupid trades and signings that continuously hamstrings that team (Luongo, Chara, Yashin, Dipietro) if you want to complain about a GM…
      Pittsburg had financial problems, couldn’t keep any players.
      Washington was mediocre, tanked for 2 years – one was a lockout year (Ovechkin, Semin).
      Chicago had a stingy owner but they were still spending on players like Khabs and Havlat, it just didn’t work out for them.

      In the last 3 cases, after tanking, 2 won the Cup within 3 years of tanking. All 3 instantly became powerhouses in the conference after drafting high (Toews, Kane; Crosby, Malkin; Ovechkin, Semin). Chicago’s rebuilding took a bit longer than the other 2 but they lost so many good players after their cup run and they are still contending for 1st place in the West because they were so fully stocked.
      In fact of the last 10 Cup champs. 4 of them were from model organizations (Red Wings 2, Devils 1, Avs 1). The Devils had Brodeur, Avs had players like Sakic and Forsberg from their terrible days as the Nordics and Roy courtesy of the Habs. The other 6 all mucked around the bottom of the standings (Chicago, Tampa, Pittsburg, Hurricanes, Ducks, Bruins). Of those only two legitimately got lucky in the playoffs (Hurricanes, Ducks – I forget if that was the Giguere year).

      Since we don’t have Detroit’s drafting acumen, we’re not a team like the Rangers that everyone wants to sign with, we have to draft our players. In fact our best player came to us because we lucked out and got the 5th overall pick after the lockouts.

      Who do you think has a better chance of winning the Cup in the next 10 years? The Flames who after losing in the Finals kept mucking about, trading their farm and signing aged veterans for another magical run. Or the Oilers who after their run and Pronger’s departure tanked and picked up a ton of great young players?

  29. SmartDog says:

    One thing I’ve noticed about the Habs lately is they are rarely talking on the bench. And when they are it’s usually just after they came off the ice. Other teams, you see guys commenting on what’s happening, they seem engaged even when they are not playing. That’s a big difference.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • SPATS says:

      Agreed, instead I’d betchya dollars to donuts they talk behind each others backs instead. Alliances are forming as the vultures circle. Gorges signing means the lunchbucket crowd will rule… Gorges, DD, Cole, Eller, MaxPac, Moen, Pleks, Gio, Markov, LL & Price. Those on the bubble, Diaz, Kaberle, Emelin, AK. Those in the doghouse… PK, Cammy, Weber
      Those who don’t fit in the future… Gomer, Gill & Budaj


  30. HardHabits says:

    Subban and Plex fighting. Who scratched whose eyes out first?

  31. SmartDog says:

    Pleks and PK – two really competitive guys, with TOTALLY opposite personalities.

    Apparently, this is what was said:
    PLEKS: You suck!
    PK: No, YOU suck!
    PLEKS: You suck more. I haven’t seen anyone make so many stupid passes since Gomez.
    PK: You don’t know nothin! I’m black dynamite baby! You can’t even grow a full beard. I’ve never seen a guy with a turtleneck try to play hockey. Why don’t you go read a book or go skiing or something.
    PLEKS: Maybe you should try wearing something besides a hoodie sometime. And you leave your clothes all over the house. The kitchen looks like a garbage dump!
    PK: Oh yeah? Well I’m tired of tripping over your shoes all lined up in a landing strip by the door. And do you really need to alphebetize the soup in the cupboard? I mean, man, that’s just CRAZY! It’s just SOUP, not music or porn or something important.

    I’m not sure who punched who first, but that’s how it started…

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  32. Eric37 says:

    Hey folks,

    Can someone tell me how to get my profile picture on here?

    Big thanks!



    To quote the great Carey Price: “Chill out.”


  33. Habs Notes says:

    I like Gorges. He works hard and is good in the room. But at this level I believe you pay your d-men to intimidate the opposition or QB the offence. Gorges does neither of those things.

    Kris Letang, who will win a Norris Trophy some day, is making $3.5 M.

    Dan Girardi, who is playing 27 minutes a night for the top team in the East, and has almost as many BS as Josh and nearly twice as many hits, makes $3.3 M.

    Nevertheless, the AAV is not completely unreasonable and Josh will always play his arse off.

    What really troubles me about this deal is knowing that we could have signed him last summer to a long term K at a lower cap hit, likely in the range of $2.75M – $3.3M (consistent with contracts for similar players like Seidenberg (BOS), Ericsson (DET), Polak (STL) and Robidas (DAL)).

    That’s on PG.

    Are we to believe that the same doctors that endorsed the Markov deal, preached caution with regard to Josh’s knee? Could they have really been so completely effing wrong about both players??

    Or, is PG just a rotten poker player. Molson better replace him before he gets fleeced again in contract talks for Price, Subban and our other RFAs.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Yes we should have signed both of them in the summer, but Markov being out still and it being in the season weakened our bargaining position.

      As for the doctors… well, yes, they could have been wrong about both and would probably happily admit it. Medicine is far from as precise as we would like it to be – especially for professional athletes.

      PG was wrong to not sign Gorges then, but at least he has done the right thing since.

      On your end, it’s wrong to criticize Gorges that he’s not a PP QB – no one ever claimed he is. He’s the new Craig Ludwig or Rick Green, and that is a good thing.

      In fact Ludwig should messenger over his 20 year old shin pads and a bottle of Febreze ™… talk about passing the torch.

      • Habs Notes says:

        If we did not have the leverage to sign him to an appropriate contract then we should have let him find out at season’s end that no other team overvalues him the way we do.

        My intention was not to be critical of Josh, and he doesn’t have to QB the PP. But, in a cap world, a d-man drawing a $4M salary needs to put points on the board, or opposition forwards through the end boards.

        Doctors who happily admit mistakes? That’s dangerous! Let’s hope they’re off the payroll.

    • boonie says:

      There was no risk last summer. If he was injured, LTIR. If he sucked, Hamilton. The delay cost us money and extra years.

    • Mike D says:

      Your comparison to Letang is way off. First, they’re not the same type of player at all, so apples and oranges there. Second, Letang is only 24 and was 23 when he signed his current contract. Not even close to unrestricted free agency like Josh was two days ago. Letang will get a fortune after the 2014 season when he is eligible for unrestricted FA.

      Girardi is a better comparison than Letang but he was 26 (and an RFA) when he signed his current contract. Salaries went up considerably last off season. Also, I would say that Girardi has improved more than expected from last year. Not a huge gap between Girardi’s and Gorges cap hit but one does exist. Also, I’m not sure Girardi is considered a leader on his team the way Gorges is on ours.

      – Honestly yours

    • Mark C says:

      Most of your comparisons are crap and seemingly cherry picked to forward your conclusion. Letang’s contract covers only RFA years and not UFA years, he was also coming off a 27-point season. Girardi was averaging 21 minutes when he signed. Ericsson isn’t as good. Polak’s contract covers a few RFA years.

      • Habs Notes says:

        Thanks for enlightening me Mark!

        Now the Gorges contract makes all kinds of sense because you would have us believe he stands alone and there are no comparables. Surely that’s what his agent argued.

        • Mark C says:

          Missing the point. There are comparables; you just picked ill-fitting ones. For example, why didn’t you use Martin in place of Letang? It’s just silly to directly compare a full UFA to RFA contract. Josh’s agent on the TSN 990 noted the difference in cost between UFA and RFA deals. Your examples help paint a picture, but in most of them, Josh should have been paid more than player X due to his contract status.

  34. Eric37 says:

    With all this losing, I’d be in a pretty foul mood too.

    To quote the great Carey Price: “Chill out.”


  35. AnimalMother says:

    I’m sure there are groups on both sides of the situation. I just see they’re lack of enthusiasm when we are on a 6 game slide, obtain a huge lead over Ottawa, PK scores and celebrates like he just won the cup, it’s dismal. Sad actually. They are a group of individuals.

  36. SmartDog says:

    Re. Gionta’s injury. (I put this in the wrong place).

    He has a broken spirit.

    Took a hit along the boards, sat on the bench for awhile thinking about playing alongside Gomez and trying to Captain this team out of mediocrity. Hasn’t been able to play since.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  37. habs-fan-84 says:

    This will undoubtedly get an unnecessary amount of media attention. Sure enough I go to the TSN website and it’s the main story on their site.

    • slapshot777 says:

      If anyting negative happens with the Habs, leave it to TSN to make sure it gets top billing, if the Habs went on a ten game winning streak, you would have to search their website top to bottom andstill wouldn’t find it. What a bunch of losers TSN is.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        And they are part owners of the Habs no less!

        • slapshot777 says:

          Owners of the Leafs too, so why not give equal billing rather than draw more attention to a negative story and less to a feel good story. They do it for the Leafs.

          To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Well they will own more of the leafs than Habs, but we all know they pander to the population numbers of Toronto

  38. HabinBurlington says:

    Does anyone know what Gionta’s injury is? I seem to recall hearing it was his arm, but really have no clue.

  39. Cookies says:

    This would be the second time that Plekanec and Subban go at it in practice. It happened around this same time last year.

    A lot of good came out of it in the rest of the season though!

  40. WestHab says:

    I’m happy with Gorge’s contract. The way things had been going I thought for sure he’d wait for the open market. As someone has pointed out I see him with a C after Gio. Josh brings everything he has evey game, no bigger heart on this team.

    “Merci beaucoup.” Randy Cunnyworth

  41. HabinBurlington says:

    So the outdoor classic is being moved to 3pm due to sunshine.

  42. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Gorges is a good guy and this is a good signing. As for Pleks and P.K. duking it out? Something needs to light a fire under these guys. I’d like to punch out a couple of them myself starting with Cammaleri who is being outscored by Travis Moen and ending with Pleks who has his head up his arse.
    We would have made the playoffs under Jack Martin. Firing your coach is not always a good idea. It’s made the team’s play more tentative than ever.
    Happy New Year. Go Habs!

  43. slapshot777 says:

    Rather than putting needless effort into fighting each other, why don’t they try and put forth that same effort an fight into a real game. If they did that I bet that we wouldn’t be having this conversation over the past couple of months on how the team have sucked.

    biggest problem, like many on here have been saying is that there are too many prima donnas, too many players playing an individual game rather than a team game, too many selfish penalties. this in a nutshell is the main reason instead of fighting for a top spot in the east were fighting for a bottom spot.

    To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  44. AnimalMother says:

    I am really starting to see that PK is not very popular in this group. At practice, after a goal, in the media, his team mates look to be fed up with his cocky, immature antics. Yes he is young but arrogance is never appreciated. Ship him and Cammy/Gionta and a pick for Bobby Ryan. My two cents.

    • slapshot777 says:

      Why is it that we rate our players so low that we practically have to give them away when we trade them. Yet when we go looking for a player he is on this high pedestal way above any player we could deem possible to play for the Habs.

      If Guy Lafleur was still playing and we wanted him traded we would be saying package him with Shutt and Robinson and maybe a draft pick to get a Gilbert Perrault.

      Then PG goes out and does the same thing that we do on here as fans and we are all over him for a bone head trade. WTFU, people and give your heads a shake, if we are going to trade away our players to try an improve let’s try and get what we can rather than this package crap. If we package two or three players to get one, then where are all the other players coming from. Certainly not from Hamilton or the World Juniors.

      We are at least two or three years away from seeing any of these players. So again, what we go the free agent route. “Overpay” here we come again. Now we just traded away all those big name players that wanted to come here, so who do any other high profile players call to check with before they decide if they should come. Gionta if traded, won’t be putting in any plugs for smooth transition, if anything he will saying the opposite nice place but if you have a few off games or an off season be prepared to be shipped out or ridden out on a rail.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

    • Top Ten Possible Reasons PK and Pleks Fought at Practice


    • remi_10069 says:

      you nailed it. anyone who has played on a hockey team knows the type. He thinks he’s hot stuff, walks around with a huge attitude and general gets on everyone’s nerves. If he was playing great hockey then you can tolerate it (barely) but if not then everyone wants him to get the crap beaten out of him. I think that’s the root of the habs problems, no sense of being a team, too many guys that everyone hates.


  45. Mike D says:

    If anyone’s interested, TSN990 will have Gorges’ agent on at 11:35AM.


    – Honestly yours

  46. New says:

    Fight? Subban and Pleks? Are you sure it isn’t an equipment ad for gloves? Subban on the ice with his brand covering his face and Pleks on the ice face down with his brand facing outwards? Like in the games?

  47. AceMagnum says:

    What’s with the picture of Alex Auld??? You guys gotta update your inventory of stock photos from practice. Still haven’t seen any evidence of this controversial advertising on the jerseys…

    “Horton Hears a Boo”
    -Mike Boone April 2011

  48. habs-fan-84 says:

    I like Subban as much as the next Habs fan, but, this is yet another example of why I believe he’s unfortunately not very well liked in the dressing room.

    With that said, I have no problem with two teammates going at it in practice if it alleviates some long built up tension.

  49. HabinBurlington says:

    So no one turtled I guess thus the fight.

  50. Bim says:

    Looking good for a bottom five finish this year. If you would have told me at the beginning of the year that Ottawa and Winnipeg would be 8 points (soon to 10) ahead of the Habs at this stage of the game I would have to check my glass to see how much was gone. Even the Leafs (come on boys…really…the Leafs???) are better. Way better! I was extremely glad to see Gorges get his contract. Now there is a contributor! I hope the so called leaders on this team are paying attention. As for Gomez and Gionta being on the ice at practice (Who cares really). I hope you are paying attention to what it takes to contribute and if you can’t ..as Lee Iacoca used to say get out of the way.

  51. MTLForever says:

    tired of subban taking all the crap. he at least owns up to poor play after games, cammy? his ego is too big to own up to anything. moen has more goals than him again. what does that say? cammy is on pace for less than 20goals..for 6mil.

  52. slamtherimtim says:

    the fight may be a good thing , they tried talking about the problems , now its time to hammer them out

  53. price365 says:

    The sad thing about this team…The highly paid don’t work…The under paid bust their a– I say keep the workers…get rid of the highly paid.
    congrats to Gorges…he’s a worker

  54. gerry says:

    4M$ for 6 looooong years for being good in the locker room. With Hal Gill’s contract expiring after this season, I guess Subban needed a new nanny to keep him on the right foot. Who did break up the Subban-Plekanec ruckus? Josh Gorges, the new 4M$ nanny of PK Subban! And the soap opera keeps on going and going…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Six long years where he’s at his prime, rather than the has-beens that we’ve been signing in recent years.

      I’ll take those years any day, rather than the twilight ones.

      I also like how you’ve boosted it to $4m. Why not go the whole over-reacting way and say $8m? Why limit yourself?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  55. alfieturcotte says:

    Pleks needs a good kick in the butt. He has been disappointing , clearly not the n#1 center his salary demands of him. Another move by Gauthier that will prove costly.

    We need a new GM that can turn these lemons to lemonade prior to the trade deadline. We are sellers — make no mistake. We should never have picked up Rutherford’s headache Kaberle. A half decent GM would do a better job of evaluating talent/caps than Gauthier. Heck, I would guess that 2/3 of the people on this board would be better.

    Fire Gauthier, Fire Gauthier, Fire Gauthier.

    • DorvalTony says:

      In many senses he’s the best player on the team. Number one centre. Who’s better? Eller? DD? Gomez? Nokelainen? Gimme a break. Who are his wingers? On Detroit say watch out, he’s be a top 30 point getter in the league.
      “Okay, everybody take a Valium.”

  56. boonie says:

    Hey HH, you’re a genius (I know you know, but I have to say it).

    Basu posted an analysis about Gorges value prior to his RFA arbitration. You said this:

    HardHabits: “Gorges had a cap hit of 1.1M, he was qualified at 1.3. Anything over 2.75M would be too much. If he gets more than 3 million I’d be surprised.

    If another team offers him 3.5M take the 1st and the 3rd picks.”

    You should be the GM. Anyone care to second…

    • Clay says:

      I second. $2.75 to $3 mil is exactly what Gorges is worth.
      I’m happy he’s signed though…and at least he works for his contract, unlike some (I’ll leave you to fill in whom I am referring to here).

      “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

  57. Sharks9 says:

    Dang it Subban. What’s up with him this year?

    25 before 14

    • HabsPEI31 says:

      It’s called “sophomore jinx”.

      “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Weird how that jinx seems to hit many good players. I would have sworn PK wouldn’t be struggling this year with all the high pressure situations he went thru the previous season and the playoffs before that.

  58. doogie says:

    Gotta have a new GM in place before the trade deadline, which is next month. Going to be “sellers” rather than “buyers”, so when does the name on the office door change over to the next regime?

    * * * * * * *

    I keep waiting for Shutt-Lafleur- Lemaire to jump over the boards!

  59. slamtherimtim says:

    where’s Markov , is he not skating at all

  60. sims says:

    whats with the pic of the auld eagle?

  61. Big Bird says:

    Couple of cents from the peanut gallery:

    1. Never underestimate the value of leadership on a team. Gorges was an underdog who worked his tail off to get to where he is. He reminds me of one of my favorite Habs: Brian Skrudland. Works his tail off and can look anyone in the eye who doesn’t.

    2. When I look back at where the decline of the team started it was after Serge Savard was fired by Ronald Corey who panicked. We then over time let all the leaders in the lockeroom go. Guys like Chelios, Desjardins, Carbooneau, Keane, Muller, Odelein. Guys who wanted to be in Montreal and who were proud to play here. It’s time we had leaders back in our lockeroom. Gorges is one of those kinds of guys.

    3. Georges isn’t going to win the Norris but you look at other Habs defence men over the years who made a difference. Guys like Craig Ludwig who made a difference. We could have signed Gorges for less last year but we weren’t sure about his knee. The fact that he stayed here means there is hope to keep Price and Subban. Get rid of some veterans by trade and others by demotion to AHL (Gomez) if they don’t perform.

    4. This team is not going to make the playoffs – and if they do – they will get wiped out in the first round provided that Markov, Gomez, Gionta all come back, play well and we don’t suffer any more injuries. I’m tired of scrambling for 8th place. We need to be patient, build and invest. Detroit did it. Chicago did it. Edmonton is doing it. Why should Montreal be different?

    5. We need to get full time scouting in Quebec. We need to get better coaches behind the bench to focus on the defence (Larry Robinson said he wanted to come back), the special units (Kirk Muller’s role) and player development so we don’t continue to draft great prospects and then lose them or don’t help them reach their potential (Kostitsyn, McDonough and the list goes on). If Cunneyworth learns some french and does a decent job keep him. He has experience developing young players.

    6. I’ve been one demanding that Gauthier be fired but perhaps we should wait. This team needs continuity and stability. So either we commit to him to blow the whole thing up (again) or get someone new to do it. But either way a rebuild is necessary and I’m glad Gorges will be part of it.

    Happy New Year everyone…

    • SPATS says:

      Hard to argue, but we did have good leadership by committee behind Jaro in the playoffs of 09. Gomers stinky play and Cammalleri emerging as a primadonna have definitely taken their toll on the youngsters and the hard working vets. How could a guy like Moen look across the room at those 2 and respect them. Then you have the generationally detached cerebral unemotional leadership of JM, BG and PG. That would be fine if you had a united team capable of responding instead of rebelling. Your best player is in the MASH unit without end and your appointed leader is down too. While this is all going on, you promote a lame duck leader who has no support other than the youngsters he led in Hammytown last year and voila, you have training camp for players, coaches, management and ownership entering its 5th month.

      Now we have what amounts to an episode of the dog whisperer waiting to see leadership emerge. Cesar Milan for Habs president. He’ll get this timid dogpack to respond.

      Undersized pitbull Gorges is a big step forward. Give him the C and sign his buddies Carey and Moe to long term deal. Cut the prima donnas and underachievers.


    • powdered toastmann says:

      Agree with what you say re Gorges. In addition, two “Plain Jane, stay at home, character, effectively tough d” that we could really use on this team…Ludwig and Odie.

  62. eric says:

    Like to see him out the door so a new GM could watch the team and make neccessary moves before the deadline

    • powdered toastmann says:

      Moi aussi. Although for stability sake. it may better to keep him ’till the end of the season or until we find a real quality GM candidate. (but if he stays on a while, he needs to have his wings clipped, in other words he cannot make any deals)

  63. Danno says:

    When will the Great Wizard of Habs emerge for the presser?

    And is there a possibility of a surprise announcement?


    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  64. HabsPEI31 says:

    Do we have a timing for this rare sighting of PG? Or is it actually expected around 2 Feb, and he’ll see his shadow, and retreat again?

    “Only a goalie can appreciate what a goalie goes through.” – Jacques Plante

  65. New says:

    Let me guess.” As we come to the mid point of the season we are not where we would like to be. Injuries and player development have not been resolved at the pace we would like. Still we are enthusiastic to be only scant points out of a playoff spot and are determined to get into the post season. See you at game 82.”

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