Multimedia: HIO at practice

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AUDIO: Jacques Martin

Players are on the ice for a 10:30 practice that should be lively, after a day off.
Chris Campoli is wearing a cleared-for-contact white jersey.
And Tomas Kaberle is among the first guys out.

And just for laughs, Alexei Emelin as translated by Genadi Boguslavski:

Therapy day for Travis Moen.

Scott Gomez is out in a no-contact burgundy jersey.

It’s his first practice.

Spirited skating drill to start.

The lines:

Pacioretty-DD-Cole, Darche-Eller-Leblanc, Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Cammy, Gomez-Weber-Nokelainen

D pairings: Gill-Diaz, Gorges-Subban, Emelin-Kaberle, Campoli as an extra

458 Comments

  1. Always wondering where did someone found that Genadi Boguslavski- the interpretor. He barely renders the idea of a conversation and his English (+ no French) seems to be at a very low level. Happened to hear the complete interview with Emelin via Boguslavski on the radio and honestly found myself in a shame for such a representation of my co-patriots. French media was openly laughing at those “babushki-matreshki”.

    To my opinion it affects their inter-relations with the local mass-media in a negative way. If it ‘s really a problem ( I don’t understand why, we have a Russian consulate on de la Musee Str.) to get at least a professional interpretor for the guys, I’ll do it for free at the very last. Just to avoid to see how they struggle. No wonder JM & Co has no freaking idea what do those players think. And visa-versa.

    PS: Have nothing personal against Genadi Boguslavski as a journalist or whatever. Probably he’s a nice and smart guy. But his translating skills…not far from Andrei Kostitsyn’s level.

  2. Rickly33 says:

    What are you 12, grow up. When he has a bad game, your post will be the first I look for, just because of the level of intelligence of the comment. I am a hab fan first, if he helps the team win then he’s ok in my book.

  3. j2w4habs25 says:

    Kaberle is a Habs now… so hes gotta start playing like one!

    Carey Price #31

  4. Rickly33 says:

    My goodness where did all the Kaberle haters go? Goes to show how fickle fans really are,. That’s my rant, don’t give the guy a shot, like we could change it anyway, so I’ll wait till he has a bad game and watch the cries poor in haha.

  5. J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

    WOW! Terry Murray is now available! Eastern Conference Finals with the Caps. Stanley Cup finals with the Flyers. AND he’s from Quebec!!!
    Pierre & Geoff, it is time to make your most important move yet.

    I remember Dec. 31, 1975

  6. Vid says:

    Although I don’t want to see Eller pushed to the wing when Gomez returns (seems to be a habit with this team to play players out of their positions) I’d like to see Eller on the wing with Plekanec and Kostitsyn. I think that would turn out to be really good actually…worth a shot until Cammalleri stops abusing goal posts.

  7. bigjames says:

    way off topic… saw boone’s article about habs fans in Hong Kong… maybe we should do our own version of the summit. do a morning game drinking session somewhere!

  8. Habsrule1 says:

    Sorry, but I’m so glad the Yes is winning the vote. This was a good trade because the Habs will find a way to get PK & Price signed….hopefully Gorges too.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • I agree.

      The GM will have no problems signing our young guns.

      Pierre McGuire was saying this afternoon that there will be problems in three years.

      Well who gives a rats ass about three years from now.

      Win today, get into the playoffs and like last year almost knock off the number 8 seed.

      We’ll never know what would have happened had we scored first in OT, but man it was exciting. (April 2011)

      I see over 200 people who jumped ship on Friday came back today to vote NO lol.

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      • VancouverHab says:

        “Well who gives a rats ass about three years from now.”

        Amen — that’s good sense. Well said.

        All these Know-Nothing commentators pro & amateur pontificating with exactly zero credibility about salary cap blah blah blah — no way anyone but some minute-scanning CA knows the full-team permutations at season’s end, let alone three years from now.

      • Vid says:

        The initial outrage would’ve been understandable if Kaberle had come in after one full bad season like at the time when the Habs traded for Gomez but surprise, surprise, Kaberle’s last season was actually not bad even if it wasn’t his best season. His last playoff performance was actually pretty decent too. Sure he didn’t have many points in the regular season for Boston or Carolina but it seemed like his slump was blown way out of proportion. I think it’s premature to say a player is declining or washed up based on less than half a season’s worth of games.

        Maybe I’ll be wrong but I don’t think so. I believe Kaberle will do well for the Habs this season. The next two season…well who knows but no point in worrying about it until the time comes.

      • malmn says:

        Pierre McGuire. ROFLMAO!!! What a clown.

        GO HABS GO!!!

  9. HabinBurlington says:

    Kirk Muller on the radio here in Toronto today. Listen to him talk about the style of hockey he wants to play. Hmmmm I can just imagine the conversations Kirk and JM had regarding playing styles.

    http://www.fan590.com/media.jsp?content=20111212_163930_1388

  10. VancouverHab says:

    Moved…

  11. punkster says:

    I don’t believe PG is the boogeyman. Pretty clear to me that the addition of Kaberle is a boon to the Habs though giving the boot to Spacek may be considered a boondoggle in the future. Kabs gives a boost to the power play and hopefully the boozy boors in the Phone Booth will agree.

    We may boo the impact he has on our future cap issues and with Boone leading the charge I’m sure this subject will die a slow and agonizing death. But bear in mind that Kaberle is no boob, his shot is a boomer and with a successful power play we could, maybe, possibly, just might take the whole kit and kaboodle.

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    • LL-not the hockey player says:

      Driving home, I accidentally heard Pierre Mcguire on the radio,(fortunately, with the traffic, I wasn’t moving). He thinks Kaberle and the trade suck, therefore it’s a great trade.

    • HabFab says:

      Apparently Kabs split with his wife 18 months ago and has been on a downer…Montreal may be just what the Doctor ordered ;)

    • mrhabby says:

      ever the joker…lol

    • roady says:

      Kabs…..you know these guys personally do ya ? Ha ….he will definitely help the PP. I like him, always have liked Kaberle . I don’t like that we have 2 more yrs on the contract but we needed someone back their to QB the PP and although he doesn’t have a mean streak in him he will shore up our young D line. Makes me really wonder if Markov will be back this season? Gauthier in my opinion is a buffoon leading a baboon behind the bench and the organization will be much better off once these two no-minds are fired. I’ve got nothing good to say about either one of them. We are being boondoggled by this management team and if they keep their bone-headed attitude about the Habs being a puck possession team when we are clearly chasing the puck most nights and sitting on leads. Hopefully, Molson consults someone who knows how to run a bench and manage this team ….I have my doubts. Wonder why that is ?

      take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

      • idle says:

        “Kabs…..you know these guys personally do ya ?”

        “Gauthier in my opinion is a buffoon leading a baboon behind the bench and the organization will be much better off once these two no-minds are fired. I’ve got nothing good to say about either one of them”

        You know these guys personally do ya?

        • roady says:

          you effing loser…goof…lightin’ up pal… go have a pepsi punk……..have a nice day “ides”…

          take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

  12. J.J. of Turku says:

    I don’t get this: Tampa Bay picked up Antti Miettinen from KHL only to place him straight to waivers? What am I missing?

    http://media.turku.fi/kamera1.html

  13. gmd says:

    So I emailed Jack Todd and asked him why he had put Tim Tebow on his zero list and this is what he wrote back:

    “When he stops throwing his religion in everyone’s face, he’ll stop being a zero.
    It might also help if he would learn how to pass a football.”

    I find it funny as I’m probably one of he most anti-religious people around, but I’m not bothered by Tebow’s religion. I could care less when I see him on the sidelines on one knee with his head down in prayer. Who cares how he throws the ball, as I thought it was all about winning and not style points.

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      I’m liking Tebow, as he seems like a vindication for the shafting my man Doug Flutie took in his NFL career. A knack for finding ways to win doesn’t translate into an NFL job eh?

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      • gmd says:

        I’m liking him as well as many of the football commentators don’t like him because he’s not a traditional NFL quarterback. I like how the Broncos are changing their offense to suit him rather than trying to force him into an offense he wouldn’t be suited for. Give him time and he could then learn different offenses.

    • The Dude says:

      Please ….not another fan of the loser point.Winning by losing taberwack!

      • idle says:

        Not sure why everyone hates the “loser point”. Why is it so different then before the shootout when games would end in a tie and both teams got a point? Now both teams get a point for the tie and then play for an additional point. Seems reasonable to me.

        I’m not saying it makes me happy when the team loses in OT or shootout but I don’t hate the point we get for the tie. Remember many times in overtime before the shootout no team wanted to lose the point so it often was pretty lame to watch because no one tried anything creative. At least now you can be aggressive and not have to worry about losing your point.

        • neumann103 says:

          I think there are two main reasons people hate it. One is that it makes some games worth three points and others worth two. As a Habs fan it cheapens the value of a 132 point season if every slackass team gets close to 100 points because they got a whack of loser points. If you are trying to catch some other team in the standings – say Boston and Buffalo – and they tie then you are guaranteed to be slipping. Your rivals just collectively got three points out of one game. If you win your game you get two. I don’t actually have an objection to the “loser” point. I have an objection to giving an extra point to the “winner” of a tie.

          The other objection is the “you play 60 minutes of hockey. Then another 5, then you settle it with a skills competition.”

          “Et le but!”

        • J_P says:

          My issue is the creation of a point out of nowhere. At least in the pre-lockout system, there were two points up for grabs total. If the teams tied, they each got one. In the current system, there’s two points up for grabs in regulation, but once the game goes to OT/SO, another point magically appears. Now, I understand that the league did that to stop teams whining and complaining about losing a game in the skills contest (aka the shootout) and not getting a point, but it just doesnt make sense to create another point out of nowhere. I think the system should be 3 points for a regulation win, 2 for an OT/SO win, and 1 for an SO/OT loss. Using that model, there is always three points up for grabs, and it gives teams more incentive to win the game in regulation. If not that, than it should be 2 points for a win, regardless whether it comes in OT, shootout, or regulation, and no loser point.

    • Why should Tebow be punished for displaying his religion? It’s not like he’s forcing people to watch. Like you I’m pretty anti-religious but if anything the stuff surrounding Tebow just makes me chuckle.

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      • J_P says:

        I agree. Im pretty anti-religion also, but i respect peoples right to have their beliefs and display pride in their beliefs.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        His religion is his business of course.

        However he participated in a Superbowl ad for the conservative religious group Focus on the Family, a group that is blatantly misogynistic and homophobic.

    • Sotxhabsfan says:

      I’m not particularly religious myself, and I’m more put off by what a big deal the media makes over his religion than his own personal views. I also wonder whether there would be as much attention given if he was as open about being any other religion.
      It’s also funny to me that players on teams that lost to him still feel it necessary to put down his style of playing.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    Steve Hindle with a good summary of why Kaberle trade could be beneficial to Habs.
    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/PK-Subban-In-Mind/139/40471

    • shiram says:

      TLDR : NHL 12 says Habs won the deal.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Is that what the screen shot is in the article? I wasn’t sure.

        I found the commercial i refernced before and put in below.

        • shiram says:

          Yup thats the trade dialog in NHL 12, for basically sending an insulting trade request to another GM.
          I had not seen that PS3 ad with the catcher, but usually they are pretty funny.
          Truth be told, I only watch hockey on the TV.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

      • nunacanadien says:

        Don’t forget we have Markov coming back. Imagine a power play with the duo of Markov and Kaberle. But honestly, we need to get these mild mannered Habs starting to follow Emelin, hit back, fight back, and push back….create breathing room to score and win…..instead of the smother them with a wet blanket five man formation of Jacques Martin that only has the other team stealing the puck from the smallest hab…usually Gionta or Gomez…

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Like the Komisary comparison and the deal is done ,just like i wish for Souray sitting 10 in the league right now for D at 1.6 mil..think just are good we be Kaberle with Sourey ,PK and Georges ,Markov and Emelin , Diaz spare

    • Although I wanna like the trade I don’t know that we can use a video game as a barometer for trades. heh.

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  15. ffenliv says:

    So in voids between games, I start to lose my mind a bit. I started another thread about the general cap space/who to sign for next year business. The issue of Price/Subban/Gorges, of course, was front and center, but we all ran out of space because of the reply limit, so I thought I’d restart it here.

    My feeling: Price will get 5-6 million over 4-5 years. Sure, other goalies have more, but Price is RFA, and hasn’t won dick in the playoffs (this years potential playoffs notwithstanding, of course).

    I also think he’ll take a bit of a discount to stay with a team that traded away playoff jesus Halak to keep him, and where the fans, when they’re not busy trying to get him run out of town, do seem to love him.

    He knows that if he signs for a bit less, it saves cap space to put a proper team together, and make a run.

    As for Subban, this year has not been kind to him. Most of us love him, but He had a decent rookie year, and is having a less-than-spectacular sophomore year. I think he’ll sign 3 years at 2.5 or 2.75/year … maybe up as high as 3.

    As for Gorges. I imagine 3 – 3.5/year over 3 years, assuming both he and his agent aren’t to pissed at how he managed to get only 1 year this year.

    Thoughts?

    • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

      I want Price in a Canadiens jersey for life, but I worry the media/fans might be harshing his buzz a little too much.

      On the other side of that coin, PK will be here for life. I think he’ll thrive in this market, wanting t show off what he has to hear that buzz from the 21,273 when he shines. Same reason I think Ovechkin would be a stud year in/year out here.

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      • CanadienBoy says:

        I think they should be a limit to contract length ,like 7 years max

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          That’s gonna be the next CBA!/Stirke!/Lockout! issue, trying to get the players to move away from guarenteed contracts. Maybe the end of the NHL?

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          • G-Man says:

            I can see the front end of contracts being guaranteed, say like the first 3 seasons of a contract. After that, the non-guaranteed clause could and really should kick in. I mean, we have to save Sather and company from themselves, don’t we?

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      I agree with Subban getting between 2-3, and the term or 3-4 years.. that is between 8-12 million dollars, a contract that forever changes hie life. For Price, I would give him 5 million per over 6 years, or 6 per over 4.. his choice. Again, life altering money. Georges should get a little more than PK because he is a better NHL defense-man at this point. The HUGE raise for PK we all feared will not be seen on this contract, but the next lol

    • LL-not the hockey player says:

      Usually your best player receives the highest salary. Since he’s done more d1ck than Cammy, and assuming Gomez is gone, over 6 mil I’d say closer to 7 as Rinne has also won d1ck in the playoffs, unless, of course, winning 2 rounds is actually doing something. ;)

      • HabinBurlington says:

        LL, am I misreading your 2nd sentence?

      • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

        I think that’s what he’ll get, and he won’t want term. That puts the pressure that is needed on the fella what signs the contracts to get a team that can win in 2-3 seasons. Winning here is the negotiating tactic the club needs to keep Price in a Canadiens sweater.

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      • Bripro says:

        I posted the same thing earlier. Your best player….
        And his agent will compare contracts to (for instance) Cam Ward, at $6.5MM and say my guy’s better. It will be at least $7MM when he’s an UFA.

        • Lawrencetown Liquor Pigs says:

          It’s gonna get messy, and that’s just another reason I see him jumping ship when he hits UFA. I want to be wrong about this, but I have a nervous feeling.

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          • Bripro says:

            With players’ agents in the mix now, who knows.
            He’s the best we’ve had in a very long time.
            I would have to think they’ll live or die with their 5th overall pick.

          • LL-not the hockey player says:

            Agree with both of you, if they quibble over money with our MVP, he just might have enough, and leave.
            The term could be short though, as he is still young.

  16. Richrebellion says:

    I don’t get people’s obsession with this fourth line player? I’ve heard trade Weber for a guy when we have guys like blunden and White to do that anyways. Not only that this team loves to be able to roll the 4 lines that are effective. I highly doubt it’s our 4th line that has held us back from the top of the league! This team has tons of potential and if healthy are one of only a few teams that can ice 3 lines that can contribute offensively! Id see the lines like this:

    Cammy-Pleks-Cole
    Patches-Gomez-Gionta
    Desharnais-Eller-Kostitsyn
    Moen-Nokelainen-White

    The reason I put desharnais on the third line is simple as good as he’s been offensively people have to realize he plays with two of the best 5 on 5 players on the team and besides pleks the 2 best players so far this year. Desharnais is good at getting them the puck but you can’t keep all that size on one line. Also Desharnais is terrible defensively, he loses battles down low and looks lost in our own zone most of the time. Playing with Eller and Kostitsyn he could still take faceoffs and wouldn’t be responsible down low, yet he would still benefit from playing lower competition and have 2 big guys to dig pucks out of the corners. I know everyone hates Gomez but when he has 2 quality linemates to play with he does put up points, think back to last year when he played with Patches and Gio the line was solid and Patches was on 30 goal pace! These lines offer the team way more balance and any of the 3 lines can score! Very tough to play against a team that is this deep, add a better pp to the mix and we are easily a top team!

  17. habs4ever2894 says:

    Honestly, if this team ever gets to 100% healthy i think we have one of the best teams in the whole league. While unlikely that well have everybody in the lineup at the same time , you have to like the look of a team the looks like this :

    AK- Plek- Cammy ( Line looked good last year , 1st line material)
    Cole- DD- Pacioretty ( Proven to be a line that can score, solid 2nd)
    Eller- Gomez -Gionta ( Nice 3rd line- shutdown ability)
    Moen- White-Darche( 4th line who can provide grit)

    These forward lines would be some of the best in the NHL , Yes, Eller would be moved to the wing where he seems to be lost but maybe paired with 2 vets will help him or maybe switch him and Gomez if things don’t go well. i still feel Gomez can contribute if paired with Gionta and we saw shades of that VS the rangers before he got injured. Another place where we can tweak the forward lines is on the 4th line where maybe we can get an upgrade on Darche at the trade deadline IF we are still in the playoff hunt.

    Kaberle- Pk
    Markov- Emelin
    Gorges- Gill

    That is a nice looking D right there. Each pairing has good upside and different strengths that will help the team. Ship Weber and/or Campoli for that 4th line upgrade and the team will be set to make a run in the playoffs.

    • Castor says:

      Agreed… IF we had a coach who realizes it’s post lockout.

      • kholdstare says:

        Like who? I’m just curious, I know the prevailing tone of the comments section wants JM fired, but I never hear anyone mention who would be a good/realistic replacement. You don’t even need to fufill the “he needs to speak french argument”. Who can do a better job?

    • Arrow77 says:

      I like the D but the forwards are worrying me. That first line isn’t successful this year, with all 3 players being better suited to complement than to carry the load. And that third line is a train wreck waiting to happen, with Gomez and Gionta having an off-year and Eller not a true winger. We would need to move some of our spare parts to have a true first line player but I don’t think we have what it takes to build a good trade package.

      Still, a great goalie and a deep defense could lead us supprisingly far.

    • deuce6 says:

      I still think this team lacks a real 4th line, a bona fide top line center, and a coach that can make in game adjustments, so no, I wouldn’t say we are one of the best in the league…

      So, add Getzlaf and JF Jacques to the roster, hire Ken Hitchcock as coach. Then that would be one of the best teams in the league.

      ——————

      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

      • likehoy says:

        hitchcock is a defensive coach too.

        - If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Guy-Guy-Guy says:

        How many teams have an elite top line centre, a first rate goalie and are this stacked on D?

        The forwards lines look good to me in the light that we have the best young netminder in the league and when Markov returns, we could have the premier defensive corps in the league.

        You build a cup team from the back to the front.

        Look at Boston with Chara / Seindenberg, Kaberle, Boychuck in front of Thomas. As much as it pains me to admit these are very effective players

        Look at Chicago the year before with Seabrooke and Keith playing 30 minutes a game, hands down the best pairing in the league.

        Pittsburgh had a very solid backend too… Letang, Gonchar, Orpik, Whitney, Scuderi, Gill.

        We’re on the right track if we can stay healthy for sure.

    • aemarchand11 says:

      habs4ever2894, would you be interested in signing a 3 year coaching contract?

      “I have a different constitution. I have a different brain; I have a different heart; I got tiger blood, man.” – Charlie Sheen.

    • nellis13 says:

      habs4ever2894, if only they weren’t assembled by IKEA you might be right.

    • I’d say if 100% healthy and add playing up to potential.

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    • Guy-Guy-Guy says:

      Gorges had been playing too well to be on the 3rd pairing with Gill. Gill shouldn’t get too many 5-5 minutes because if his speed and age, and Kaberle isn’t so hot in his own zone that you want him facing top line talent.

      I’d have

      Markov / Emelin
      Subban / Gorges
      Kaberle / Gill

      If we have a lead play Gill more and Subban less. If we’re trailing play Kaberle more and Gorges less.

    • roady says:

      Lose Darche….(press box where he belongs, truthfully, he belongs in the minors PERIOD !)…….get him off the 4th line and call Blunden up and then we have a true grit line #4 with White- Moen- Blunden.

      AK-Plekanec-Cammalleri look like shit this year they = no chemistry, but with Gionta out I guess they have to try them again…if they could get going it would be a quick line that should be able to score…..should be filling the net for the money they collect. They certainly aren’t earning it !

      Cammalleri is snake-bit at the moment, but I have a feeling they are about to start going in for him soon. In my opinion our top line and 1st line has to be MaxPac-DD-Cole….

      Plekanec is supposed to be the top line centre on this team, but I’m afraid DD has taken the ball from him. That line has been dynamite…they have far more opportunities to score when DD is on the ice no matter who his wingers are and Desharnais is just as good or better in the face-off circle. What I don’t understand is why JM is so reluctant to play this line as the 1st wave of the PP. He plays them 5 on 5 yet he won’t play them 5 on 4…makes no sense to me and a lot of others.

      Just my two cents, I don’t have any solid answers. As long as Gauthier et al are in control, we are going to be in a world of hurt most games. I like your choices tho Josh, with some tweaks is all….dunno.

      take your drink to the end of the bar buddy…come on now, don’t be a fool…

      • neumann103 says:

        “Plekanec is supposed to be the top line centre on this team, but I’m afraid DD has taken the ball from him. That line has been dynamite…they have far more opportunities to score when DD is on the ice no matter who his wingers are and Desharnais is just as good or better in the face-off circle. “

        You really really really have to consider the quality of opposition. Desharnais is sent out with first line wingers to face 3rd line opposition in the offensive zone. Plekanec is expected to shut down the other team’s top line while generating offense usually with a 3rd or 4th liner on one of his wings.

        Desharnais seems to have a great on ice rappor with MaxPac, has been killing in the faceoff circle, and is a feelgood story for all those who don’t think there is some magic cutoff line at 6’1″ that determines whether you can play in the NHL, but he has glaring defensive weaknesses, and needs big guys on his line to make space. Put Eller in Desharnais’s position -let alone Plekanec – and see what happens

        “Et le but!”

    • Saundies says:

      Great lines and D habs4ever2894, probably the exact same ones I’d go with as well.

  18. Bripro says:

    Am I the only one here who thinks that DD, with a few years of experience and a little bulk will end up being the next coming of Marty Saint Louis?

    • shiram says:

      I cannot delete this double post.
      Maybe I should post something offensive so a mod removes it?

      Maybe Markov sometime?

    • shiram says:

      Doubt it

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • Bripro says:

        But how do you really feel, Shiram?

        • shiram says:

          Bloated.

          If you wanna know how I feel about DD, that’s another pair-o-sleeves.
          He is doing great, with the teams 2 best wingers. He was bad at face-offs, but seems to be improving, his away games will be more telling for that stat.
          I’d rather see him play than have Gomez in his spot, even if stats say Gomez would do better.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

    • Kooch7800 says:

      in all honesty, his hockey sense is insane. He is an amazing play maker. If he was 6 foot he would be an all-star.

      I am not sure he will ever be a st. louis but i would think he is worth a roster spot as he is good on the pp and makes smart passes.

      Could you imagine DD in Eller’s frame

    • munch17 says:

      Yes – I believe you are. DD is a decent little player -I think his wingers are our two best and make him look better than he is.
      He rarely creates chances ( I didn’t say never ) and he his horrible defensively – especially late in the game.
      I think Gomez would do better with those two wingers ( let’s face it – we’re stuck with him – at least give him two good wingers).
      I know that last comment won’t win me a lot of friends. I also think Eller would do better with Cole and Pacs.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I disagree. DD has always made his wingers better. Look at the chemistry with him and Max P. Max P credits him with a lot of his success with the dogs last year and even said he is the best centre he has ever played with. If you remember Gomez has made his wingers worse in the last two season dragging them down with his poor play. Last year was a revolving door of wingers on his line trying to get him going and it never worked.
        Eller is a good player but his hockey sense offensively is not as strong. I don’t think he will ever be more than a third line centre who plays top 6 when there are injuries.
        DD is a lot better than people give him credit for.
        He isn’t the best offensively and people dog him a lot but he is also really young still

        • shiram says:

          Eller is 22 and DD 25, I think if one both has room to improve it’s the younger bigger one.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • Kooch7800 says:

            yeah, sorry I thought DD was younger.

            I would hope Eller will improve. under 30 points a season would be a major dissapointment. I like his work ethic but I would like to see him make some more plays and score some more

          • shiram says:

            He is not used in that way though, he gets the tough matchups and he has been doing great at that this season.
            I’ll agree that he is not producing much, but I guess that’s just the JM school of hard knocks, you gotta have the D side down before you get the PP time etc…
            He is improving from last season as well.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

        • VancouverHab says:

          Thats a haters’ myth. Gomez with PaxPac and Gionta was a studly line both times it was tried — injuries broke it up. (And Gionta sucked equally with and without Gomez.)

          The non-myth (i.e. provable fact) is that Gomez has been stuck for the better part of the last two years with Gio and Darche/Moen/Grinder Equivalent Du Jour. And with an underperforming Gio it’s been Hell for the Alaskan playmaker.

          He’d be near league’s best line with Cole & MaxPac for HALF DD’s time with them….

          • Kooch7800 says:

            really….a myth? Did you watch the first half of the season? When him and Gio were together and they kept dropping in Cammy, AK, Darche, Moen anyone and nothing on that line got going. Until Max P came up that line did a whole lotta nothing. When Gio played with pleks he started scoring. Gomez couldn’t find chemistry with anyone until Max P came up.

            Here is another myth for you then….compare DD’s stats to Gomez stats last year second half when DD was up playing and look who they were playing with and who had the most points. DD had the most points on the team after the all star break and was on the third line with grinders Equivalent Du Jour as you say.
            I am sorry but if Gomez was the centre he used to be he could be with two pluggers and produce. The centre is key to any lines success

      • Bripro says:

        He rarely creates chances?
        His passes are pin-point accurate, and he trails only Pleks in faceoff %, and has a PCT of 72.7% in his last 5 games. That’s tops in the league.
        I agree that when there’s a blitz in the D zone he seems a little lost still, but he plays the boards pretty well, and clears it when he gets it.
        He’s a very intelligent player, and a very good playmaker.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      I love David; he’s paid he’s dues and struggled through a great deal to make it to the NHL. However, I can’t agree with you. Desharnais has a great deal of heart and above average offensive instincts, but is easy to knock off the puck. Unlike Desharnais, to compensate for that flaw and his lack of size, St. Louis is one of the fastest skaters in the NHL.

      Nature played a joke on Desharnais, much as it did Pyatt. Both have the heart to play a significant role in the NHL, despite their size. Desharnais, however, only has the hands needed to do so (and that can get you surprisingly far), while Pyatt has the skating speed and hands of stone.

      It’s sort of like how Pouliot has all the size, speed and skill, but lacks the head and the heart.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hate to do this to you Bri, but I am not there with you. Having said that, Calgary misjudged St. Louis and look what Tampa ended up with.

      St. Louis is much faster and has a big stick, that has to count for something….

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      • Bripro says:

        Watch him skate tomorrow night. He’s faster than people think.
        I’ll agree that he can be slowed down because of his size, but he reboots right away, and usually comes out of the opposition’s corners with the puck. And he’s got sweet hands. His line is very well balanced, and I hope JM doesn’t have another mental meltdown, and dismantle it.

    • G-Man says:

      2/3rds of St Louis’ numbers and how could we be upset with him, eh?

  19. Paulin98C says:

    Just my opinion with regards to Moen.

    Who was the player who was scoring big goals last year in the Moen mold? Darche. That’s right. The guy who almost everybody wants off the team. Moen is last year’s Darche.

    Do we need to re-sign Moen? I think that many guys can easily fill in his position. I would re-sign him but not for more money that’s for sure.

    Just my two cents

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Moen is more rugged that Darche and will protect team mates when needed and can play and aggressive forecheck and is a lot faster than Darche. Darche’s speed is his biggest knock

      • shiram says:

        The Moentreal Canadiens!

        How can anyone not want to keep Moen a Hab??

        Maybe Markov sometime?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Darche’s asset is his willingness to work hard for whatever contract Montreal gives him. He also provides a local boy does good feel good story. And apparantly JM is a big fan.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I was just having a discussion last night with a buddy about Montreal’s frustrating revolving-door approach to grinders. Look at the great players we had and let go one after the other:
          Steve Begin
          Tom the Bomb
          Metro
          Halpern
          (I’ve probably missed one or two)

          This, I believe, is a mistake. Teams build themselves around these players. Character guys, hard workers who put it all on the line for the team. Imagine getting rid of Chris Nilan after a year. Or Brian Skrudland. We should be hanging on to grinders who give it up for the team, because on top of being a great role model for youngsters, they keep the others humble.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Bripro says:

          Except this year, he’s showing his age.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            He is still working hard I think, but he does not have NHL Talent, and there is a reason he never stuck anywhere else. When Ryan White is healthy, Darche should be in pressbox.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          he does work hard I agree. At some point thought I think Darche will be gone for a youngster to take his place. Hence the one year deals. I would like Moen to be signed on for a couple more.

          That is the problem with the cap world though. Bottom six guys seem to bounce around like crazy and all the big contracts stay put.

        • sherburnehabfan says:

          Darche to Hamilton as a player/coach working with the young guys on the farm.

    • DearyLeary says:

      Agreed. Guys like Moen (and Darche) are a dime a dozen. I like Moen but there’s nothing he does exceptionally well, and is rightly treated as an expendable asset.

    • J_P says:

      Darche is 35, was never drafted, and has 2 points in 30 games with a -3 rating, while receiving very generous amounts of powerplay time.

      There’s good reason for wanting darche off the team. If he cant put up points, and cant shut down the opposition, what exactly is he good for? Hes a local guy, and it was a fun story for a while, but his 15 minutes are up. AT least Moen has 8 goals and +4 rating, and he doesnt get the quality PP time that darche gets.

      just my two cents.

  20. Pat8987 says:

    Let me start off by saying I was all for Canadiens not making the playoffs this year and trading away eventual FA for tangible assets. However, the recent acquisition of Kaberle fortunately / unfortunately makes us a playoffs team.

    Did we win the trade: absolutely!

    Was the trade the best move for the hockey team LONG TERM: debatable…

    So, now that that’s behind us… I want Gauthier to continuing to tweak our roster…Here is what I would do.

    My GM armchair…

    Mike Cammalleri + Weber + Gill + 2nd rounder for Hemsky + Peckham + Eager

    I personally think the trade works out for both squads and ironically it’s one of those trades where the players coming in fit better than the players leaving…

    For those of you not familiar with the Edmonton players let me break it down.

    Hemsky – Often said to be one of the highest skilled players in the NHL, however has a tendency to be soft. His playmaking skills are up there with the top he can very easily be a point per game player if stays healthy. More importantly we get cap space + he’s a UFA…If we don’t like him, he’s out.

    Peckham – Simply said…Nasty! He hits + Fights hard…This is what we are missing on the blueline…Thing is, his puck moving skills are not the greatest, however when you have a blueline that consist of Markov, Kaberle, Subban, Diaz, Campoli it won’t be a problem. Also a UFA, giving us more options come July 1st…

    Eager – One of the few fighters that can actually play hockey! Would look great on our 4th line

    Here are our lines following the trade.

    Pacioretty – DD – Cole
    Hemsky – Eller – Kostitsyn
    Gomez – Plekanec – Gionta *solid shut-down line* + if the wake-up watch out!
    Moen – Noki – Eager
    Darche – White

    Markov – Emelin
    Kaberle – Subban
    Peckham – Georges
    Campoli

    • G-Man says:

      Have to admit that it’s a creative deal. Edmonton will want more than that for all 3. Probably way more.

      • Pat8987 says:

        Seems that way but not really…They want Hemsky out and need at least 2 NHL defenders…Gill could help their PK and Weber can help their offence production from the blueline. Not to mention they get Cammalleri

        • ed lopaz says:

          pat8987

          , Martin and gauthier do NOT, I repeat for emphasis, do NOT like or appreciate nasty players because they take 100-150-200 penalty minutes.

          nice idea though.

          Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • DearyLeary says:

      That trade with the Oilers robs us blind. Theo Peckham is HORRIBLE. He’s barely an AHL defender, let alone at the NHL level. Also, his being UFA provides zero flexibility because it only frees up 1 million in cap space, not a whole lot you can do with a million in this league.

      Gill, while he’s getting a little long in the tooth (and slower to boot) is still a premier penalty killer in this league.

      Frankly, despite a slow start to the season, I think that Cammalleri is better than Hemsky (who’s not exactly lighting it up either this season).

      Stop acting like a designated fighter is something a team needs. And people need to stop treating Desharnais as a first line player.

      • G-Man says:

        I wonder what Pleks could do with Cole and Pac.

        • DearyLeary says:

          Cole and Patches have comparable assist numbers to Desy, and double the amount of goals. The implication (to me) is that Desy’s getting a lot of second assists (which I consider gift points) and that Desharnais won’t go to traffic areas. He really doesn’t have to with two very good power forwards on his wings.

          If he ever circles back to the top of the circle on a 3 on 1 again I might vomit.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I have wondered that also, but then I get accused of hating DD. I have nothing against DD, he is maybe our best passer and has a creative mind for the game. But he is not blazing fast nor is he big. BUt he is producing with the two big studs we have.

          Eller in the meantime will play with LL and Darche, and then others will say oh that Eller isn’t getting the points DD is.

          • shiram says:

            Eller gets the tough D assignement, and has been doign great at them. I’m not so sure DD could handle the job Eller does.

            Maybe Markov sometime?

    • PeterD says:

      If I’m the GM the moves I would makeare;

      Gomez to AHL – frees up massive cap space for other options,
      Consider a package of Weber + Campoli + another propect for Iginla
      Iginla on a line with Cammi and Plecs could work well

    • ed lopaz says:

      double

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

  21. RGM says:

    Something for the Price fans!
    http://careyprice.com/blog/cp31/new-mask-soon/

    ———————–
    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

  22. HabsFan1111 says:

    Two thoughts:

    1) I say give Leblanc a shot on the wing with Pleks and Cammy, no harm in trying

    2) Konopka was a healthy scratch in ottawa Saturday who now have Regin and Carkner back from injury, he’s tough as anyone in the league, plays hard and wins faceoffs at a very afforable rate.

    • shiram says:

      PG could have gone for him in the off-season, but he did not.
      Nokelainen, or White when he comes back, will be the 4th line C.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • HabsFan1111 says:

        I love White, but Zenon is tougher than our entire 4th line combined (whichever 3 you put on it)

        Call it a mulligan, trade Nokia for ZK!

        • shiram says:

          Now if you are Ottawa do you do that deal?
          Besides I’m not arguing Konopka over Nokia, just saying PG made his bed, and he is going to sleep in it.

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • HabsFan1111 says:

            Ottawa has Carkner and Neil, add in Konopka and the 3 of them combined for 653 pims last year! I think they could use a Nokia type guy more than another banger.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I don’t believe he is a healthy scratch, they are calling it that, but his back is effed up. He will for the rest of his career be missing games almost every week or two. THey don’t want to announce it as such.

  23. shiram says:

    Yahoo news also points out that Gomez had a setback at practice today.
    French : http://fr-ca.actualites.yahoo.com/lnh-canadien-le-capitaine-nest-pas-l%C3%A0-155805396.html

    Maybe Markov sometime?

  24. nellis13 says:

    this is all a bad dream. the yellow bow proves it. none of this is really happening.
    wake up now! that didn’t seem to work. i’ll try it a few more times and let you know.

  25. ffenliv says:

    So, at the end of this contract year, the Habs will have 12 players still under contract, and will need to sign 12 or 13 more (this year they have 26 signed). They will, if all stands as it is now (according to Capgeek, h ave just under $21 million to spend.

    Where does it go?

    Gomez, Cammi, Plekanec, Gionta, Cole, Patches, Leblanc and Desharnais will be signed up front still.

    Markov, Kaberle, Weber on D.

    Budaj still under contract in net.

    Personally, I’d prefer if they could find a way to trade or bury Gomez, which I think would basically take care of things. Price is in for a raise of about $3 million, Subban and Gorges are up for raises as well.

    With those 3 (and the loss of Gomez), They’d have 14 under contract, and assuming about 7-8 million in raises go to Price, Subban and Gorges combined, that leaves the team with 20 million still (subtracting Gomez) here, to sign the rest of their roster.

    Any thoughts?

    • G-Man says:

      Buying out Gomez still counts against the cap.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Gomez will be the missing link. They will try and trade him to a cap floor team in the off season and if that doesn’t work he will be sent to Hamilton to play out his career. They will not lose a star player just so they don’t bury gomez in the minors. He will be gonzo

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think Price will get about 6 mill per year and will get around a 5 year deal.

        • Bripro says:

          His agent won’t go for that.
          He’ll compare his client to the likes of Ward ($6.5MM), Miller ($6.25MM) and the true comparative barometer, Pekka Rinne ($7MM).

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Price is our best player by a long shot so even a little over 6 would be fine, 6.25 etc but 7 mill for a goalie is too much. rinne’s contract is insane. Look at how well Cam Ward is doing for that cash. He stinks this year and has a lot to do with Carolina’s position.

          • Bripro says:

            I agree with what you’re saying, but his agent is the negotiator, and there’s no question that these guys use precedents.
            He will command $7MM +.

          • G-Man says:

            Ward received a premium because of his Cup win. Miller is over-paid. Buffalo hasn’t progressed into the 2nd or 3rd round of the playoffs.

        • G-Man says:

          He’s RFA, so 4.5mil (which is already too much imo) for 2, then up to 5 for 2 more. 19 mil over 4 seasons.
          Those DiPietro and Luongo contracts should forever frighten away GMs giving goalies BIG MONEY. Besides, the way teams run Price, how long will it be until he misses a season?

      • nunacanadien says:

        I would not be suprised if the Molsons, who care more about filling concert seats than caring about hockey in Montreal, would let Carey go so they could keep overpaying Gomez and Campoli….and of course Kaberle. Now that they have Markov’s replacement, the thinking will be maybe we can now win a game with two goals against us instead of relying on just one goal a game for Price…..since Molson seems to think Gomez is our answer to the Great One….to hear Geoff Molson talk about Gomez you would think we had a major superstar on our hands. Sad part is the habs have done really well without Gomez.

    • Bripro says:

      Your estimated $7-8 million will go to Price alone.

      • Talik Sanis says:

        Not likely. While he is one of the major reasons why we’re competitive in any given game, his salary will be driven down due to his being a restricted free age and (if his stats hold at their current levels) his being out performed by about fifteen other goalies.

        If any team is willing to pay him $7-8 million, I pray to alien Jesus that we let him go to an offer sheet.

        • Bripro says:

          For one thing, they will have 11 under contract.
          Of the UFAs, I fear they’ll let AK go. That’s the one that I think will hurt.
          They’ll probably re-sign Gorges (let’s hope).
          Moen is gone after this year, as will be Darche, Campoli and probably Gill.
          Of the RFAs, Eller and White will be offered low $ for a year or two.
          Subban will be in the $2.5MM, also for two years.
          Blunden and Palushaj will probably be lumped into a trade prior to year’s end. They’re not important enough to risk healthier contracts like Subban and Price.
          And I believe, even though he’s a RFA, Price will be offered a lucrative deal reflecting his worth to the team….à la Brodeur.
          Your best player should be your highest paid.
          And since Gomez is the benchmark, with his 4 assists….

          • Talik Sanis says:

            I agree with almost everything you’ve said with respect to Eller, Subban (I think he’ll get a little more), White and the likely departures of some our UFAs. However, Gomez or Redden are not going to be the measuring stick for any player on any team, least of all for Price.

            To measure him against other goalies seems more sensible, and even then not against the (nearly) “Gomez” types, like Luongo. Price is not in Lundqvist or Luongo territory, for example, either in performance or restricted status. He’ll almost double his salary, but I cannot see him asking for, or getting, seven million from any General Manager. Five million a year until he become unrestricted seems to be reasonable to me, and it fits with the negotiating strategy that we’ve seen out of the Canadiens’ brass.

          • Bripro says:

            They might go for $5MM per for two years. I’ll give you that.
            But sorry, Price is now a better goalie than Luongo, and he’ll command at least as much as an RFA as Ward did.

          • Talik Sanis says:

            I was actually saying that we shouldn’t compare Price with Luongo, just as we shouldn’t compare him with Gomez. Two of those players under perform and are signed long term. Indeed, Luongo’s contract length is ridiculous. It was simply that, due to that ludicrousness, we should look to a comparably good goalie to help project Price’s new contract.

            Something close to Ward’s contract might be reasonable for Price, but Ward’s contract took him quite a ways into his UFA years. I doubt that Price’s next contract will.

      • ffenliv says:

        There’s no way they give Price 7-8 million, unless he leads them on a Dryden-like run to the cup.

        He’s an RFA, which limits his bargaining position, and I don’t believe other teams will do the Kevin Lowe douche manoeuvre to try and sign him away.

    • punkster says:

      I’m not the GM or owner so my thoughts stray no further than my wish to see today’s team do well, watch them win tomorrow’s game, thereby starting a trend towards winning more games than losing and ending up with a playoff berth. As a fan I’d be very happy with that and leave the angst and worry of cap hits, salaries and whatnot to the guys who get paid to do so. But that’s just me.

      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

    • Stev.R says:

      I have already crunched the numbers. Putting Gomez in the minors will allow Price to be paid 6.5m and Gorges and Subban around 3.5m. If we take on a few entry level contracts for our bottom 6, and the cap goes up a bit, we should be able to sign Kostitsyn and have money left over. If we end up trading Kostitsyn/Cammy/Gionta and burying/trading Gomez, then we have no problems.

    • nellis13 says:

      how about this; PG’s the only guy that`s dumb enough to take him in a trade so to get rid of gomez we first need to fire PG and hope he gets picked up by anoter team. maybe we could work markov into the trade. and by the way if you think markov is coming back, you`ve been smoking PG`s hopium.

  26. kerrgte says:

    everlasting 1 – pls lay off with the religious quotations. It’s quite obnoxious.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Wrong guy, Kerr.
      -edit- Now you got him.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Huh? What did I do now?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Everlasting1 says:

      They’re not religious. They are historical accounts, corroborated/cross referenced by many historical records of various races/ancient civilizations.

      ——————————————————————-
      “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Mattyleg says:

        Religious – OED definition: “Of, relating to, or concerned with religion”
        Religion – OED definition: “Action or conduct indicating belief in, obedience to, and reverence for a god, gods, or similar superhuman power; the performance of religious rites or observances.”

        If it’s talking about God, it’s religion. Historical or not.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Talik Sanis says:

          It’s not talking about God; it’s talking about aliens. Either that or the Saint Louis Blues.

          Get with the program, man.

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Honestly lol

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Everlasting1 says:

          It’s all in the interpretation, my son. Only MAN interprets the bible as ‘religious’ or ‘sacred’. Gods refer to alien entities. Read between the lies.

          ——————————————————————-
          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Chuck says:

        Corroborated? I didn’t realize that it was supported with definitive evidence.

        • Everlasting1 says:

          How do you know Columbus discovered America? Video evidence?

          ——————————————————————-
          “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

          “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Chuck says:

            I don’t know that Columbus discovered America. Scholars can’t even agree on where he actually landed. All there is is theory and circumstance.

            Video evidence would have helped solve the mystery.

          • habsman-itoba says:

            Actually, Columbus most likely did not discover America.

          • shiram says:

            Vikings!

            Maybe Markov sometime?

          • Everlasting1 says:

            That’s the irony, only Europe discovered America. Ancient civilizations knew and were aware of other continents.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Everlasting1 says:

            At one time, China was a mere myth. Until Marco Polo discovered it.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • habsman-itoba says:

            “At one time, China was a mere myth. Until Marco Polo discovered it.”
            I’m pretty sure that China wasn’t merely a myth to the Chinese.

          • G-Man says:

            He didn’t. There’s a small spot in Nfld that was settled by Vikings. But that’s another story and another edition of Ancient Aliens, Viking Edition!

  27. SmartDog says:

    I can stand that Kaberle is not the bets 5-on-5. But I can’t stand a guy in our locker room who wears a big yellow bow in his hair. That’s just going too far!!

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  28. Danno says:

    Gauthier took a chance
    Signing a Czech from the ‘Canes
    Who likes yellow bows
    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  29. VancouverHab says:

    The Kaberle trade is being slagged off by many as a “desperation move” by PG.

    Question that comes to my mind is, why is a desperation move always damnable?

    “Desperate disease demands extreme remedy” or something like that: PG saw a desperately diseased PP wasting the body of the season and took an extreme remedy. “Fortune Favours the Brave” and “Who Dares Wins”, and other saws. Like this:

    “There is a tide in the affairs of men.
    Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
    Omitted, all the voyage of their life
    Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
    On such a full sea are we now afloat,
    And we must take the current when it serves,
    Or lose our ventures.”

    So, judge PG when the results are in, not on the motivation for his action.

  30. shiram says:

    Grain of salt?

    Gomez started practice this morning but had to stop. Jacques Martin stated he suffered a setback. #Habs #Canadiens

    Tweeted by @HockeyyInsiderr

    Maybe Markov sometime?

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Yea, I heard rumblings of this too. I’ll reserve judgement until PG or JM update his status.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        Update: Status – Still useless.

        Tweeted by @ HockeyyInsiderrrrrrr

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • Chrisadiens says:

          What happened with D’ags? Did he take a bad hit from someone? I heard he’s concussed?

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            got smoked last night. Clean hit but just tuned him

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Concussed? Link please.

            ——————————————————————-
            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  31. Everlasting1 says:

    This year’s inductees to the US Hockey Hall Of Fame include Keith Tkachuk, Chris Chelios, among others.

    Re Tkachuk: “During a career spent almost entirely with the Winnipeg Jets/Phoenix Coyotes franchise and the St. Louis Blues, he had nine seasons of at least 30 goals and reached the 40-goal and 50-goal plateau twice. He became the first American to the lead the NHL in goals when he scored 52 with the Coyotes during the 1996-97 season.” – Dave Lozo NHL.com

    ——————————————————————-
    “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

    “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • Jordio-oh says:

      the US Hockey Hall of Fame. That’s equivalent to the Canadian Football Hall of Fame, isn’t it?

      Tkachuk would kill me in a hotdog eating contest so I should probably mind my manners.

      • Everlasting1 says:

        He’s earned those hotdogs.

        ——————————————————————-
        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

      • Da Hema says:

        C’mon. The US Hockey Hall of Fame is not equivalent to the CFL Hall of Fame. I am thinking more that the US HOF is equivalent to the World Bog Snorkeling Hall of Fame.

    • punkster says:

      Tkachuk was a player I always admired with the Jets and even more so with the Coyotes and Blues. He was a solid two way player that today’s young forward could use as a model. He played smarter as he got older and reduced his PIMs while always putting up the points. Good for him!
      ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  32. habsnyc says:

    Sidney Crosby out with concussion-like symptoms, no timeline for return.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  33. Danno says:

    I’m sorry, but the first photo of Kaberle up top isn’t very flattering. It looks like he has a big yellow ribbon on his head (camera angle & gloves in background)

    ________________________________________

    “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  34. UnkleGary says:

    few thoughts;
    -i dont think anyone disagrees that kaberle is an upgrade on spacek, especially with out brutal pp, but his three year contract is scary considering al the signings we have to make at seasons end. the deal works if a)kaberle plays well, pp gets better, and most importantly we are able to sign ALL the youth of the future. If not this was a 3 year 12 mil band-aid for a mistake on Markovs knee.

    -stop all ideas about packaging Gio, Cammy, Gomez and Weber. Not even PG/Gainey would touch that. It will never happen, no team is taking 3 small forwards and a question D man for anything that we would want. Maybe Cammi, maybe Gio, but not together and you’re not exactly throwing in a blue chip with Weber. If you want something decent, you almost always have to give up something decent; picks, young players, prospects.

    -give Cammi a pass on his play of late. he had 16 goals and 13 apples in the last 26 playoff games. thats 29 points. he steps up. i know his work ethic seems way below par, but working hard is not his job. He is a sniper. He just wants to score goals. Not bad having one of those on your team. He’s rang a whole bunch off the bar this year, and he plays for a coach that never let’s the team open up, even against the league’s worst teams, and puts him on the PK. I totally agree that he is lackluster right now, and i have screamed at him from my couch just like everyone else. But take his scoring off this team in the last two years and we lose each series in 3.

    CH-eers!

  35. Mats26 says:

    Random thoughts:

    Adding Kaberle to the PP makes the team better. Taking Weber off D makes the team better. Moving Emelin to the right side makes the team worse. Having Hall Gill play on a regular bais makes the team worse. There are those who love Hal because of his PK and 5-3 skills. But I bet you the team would have less penalties on a net basis if Gill were a goner. He gums up the play so often that forwards are often caught flat footed with no choice but to take a penalty.

    Adding Gomez to the bottom six makes the team better. Adding Gomez to the top 6 makes the team worse.

    1st line
    Patches-Desharnais-Cole

    2nd line
    Leblanc-Pleks-Gionta

    3rd line –
    Kostitsyn-Eller-Cammalleri

    4th line-
    Moen-Nokelainen-Gomez

    Defense pairings

    Kaberle-Campoli
    Subban-Gorges
    Emelin-Diaz(Markov)

    That is a puck moving/puck posession lineup. Isn’t that what JM likes to preach? Kaberle-Campoli might be a little soft but still an amazing 5-6 pairing.

    Maybe a 2nd rounder for Weber and Gill?

    • HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

      never outting AK on the pp makes the team worse.
      plek off the point makess pp better

    • LTHF says:

      Finally someone agrees with me on Gill. I have been saying exactly that for 2 years. Better to go with the kids and let them learn as they go. Gill is just too slow and soft for todays NHL> Too many turnovers resulting in other players having to cover up. Notice Price usually dont pass the puck to Gill, because if he does, it will be mishandled.

    • adamhabsalex says:

      try not to let hate get in your way

      I am sure Leblanc will be decent in the future but he has not done anything that warrants him being in the top six and if Gomez plays like Leblanc has then everyone hates Gomez

      Gomez and Gionta are most effective together as we witnessed in the 4-0 win over the Rangers .. hopefully, imo, JM puts them together and reunites them with Max .. it was the Habs best line last year when Chara tried to take Max’s head off
      Leblanc a top six forward? Not just yet

      Membership since 1970

      • Mats26 says:

        It’s true, but I sort of view the pleks line and the eller line as interchangeable. Eller line has been more solid defensively.

        I have no problem switching AKost and Leblanc.

  36. habfan53 says:

    Just wondering why the HATE for Boone and Todd the last couple of days. Yhey did not say anything different than 90% of the posts here since the trade.
    The site is no longer a fan discussion site but a little children’s p*$$*&g site

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

    • gmur says:

      Well, I haven’t seen any negative comments about Mike Boone. He usually backs up what he says with a good dose of common sense and a pretty good read about what’s going on. Todd, on the other hand…

      And while we’re on the topic, none of the people writing here are paid to write. It seems to me that when a professional journalist is writing there is more onus on making sense and expressing opinions that are not rants… and it seems that all Todd does these days is rant and rave.

      It should come as no surprise, that we, the great unwashed, are allowed to say things on this blog that would not be published in by a media organization… or taken into consideration by the management team of a pro sports team for that matter…

    • SmartDog says:

      The Todd hate is everlasting. People love Boone they just don’t always like his positions which is fair.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • SPATS says:

      Mr Boone was up and down Gauthier on Friday over the trade. He also made controversial political comments/comparisons about our beloved Habs rivalry with the Leafs and Bruins.

      OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • Bripro says:

      Jack Todd is a good writer. But he always seems to express doom and gloom, and until Jeffrey Loria and Samson the weasel have died, he will forever be a bitter man.

    • G-Man says:

      Yez gots to take it ifn you’re gonna dish it out!

      It’s hard to have a “discussion” when there’s naught by name-calling and wack job declarations.

  37. howtathor says:

    I misread Mr. Boone’s text, I thought it said “Scott Gomez was wearing a no-contract jersey”. Wishful thinking!
    I wish the Kremlin would tell us what is wrong with Gionta. I have fantasy teams to manage! Pierre Goatkov!

  38. HabinBurlington says:

    I don’t recall where I heard it, but an analyst made a good point regarding Kaberle being paired with Emelin. Didn’t this force Emelin to play his off side on D as a result? I recognize that Emelin and Kaberle can communicate due to the similarity in language, but is that more important than the difficulties it places on Emelin to now play his off side on a rink he is just getting accustomed to?

    Or perhaps is this a tribute to how much JM has already started to trust Emelin by having him switch sides.

    Opinions/answers welcomed.

  39. Mattyleg says:

    Oh, and as for pronunciation… (sigh)

    The ‘Ka’ is pronounced like ‘cab’ NOT ‘cob’. That’s an American pronunciation problem. Americans have trouble with foreign names, and have decided for some reason that the flat ‘a’ sound (like ‘hat’, ‘cab’ etc) should be pronounced like an ‘o’, like ‘cob’ or ‘hot’. There is no reason for this whatsoever.

    The Czech language is phonetic, like Polish, Slovakian, etc etc. There are not multiple pronunciations for the same letter like there are in English. ‘A’ is ALWAYS the flat ‘a’ like ‘hat’. Just like Halak is ‘ha’+'lak’ and NOT ‘Hollock’.

    So it’s Ka-ber-lay. (technically, the last ‘e’ is more like the ‘e’ in ‘end’)

    Hope that clears it up.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • shiram says:

      Tsk pedant much this morning Matty?

      Maybe Markov sometime?

      • Mattyleg says:

        It’s a bit of a hobbyhorse of mine, that strange pronunciation thing that has crept north of the border.
        I just can’t figure out why ‘a’ has become ‘aw’.
        And with a Master’s Degree in English Literature, pedantry’s all I got.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • shiram says:

          Kinda like how all french names ending in a, are pronouved aww
          Lindaw c’est de la pate a dent!

          Maybe Markov sometime?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Ha!
            My Québcecoise g/f and I always joked we’d name our daughter that, with the Quebec pronunciation.
            Not very attractive.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • SPATS says:

          Tell me about it, my name is Barry, born in Montreal but currently I live in BC, they look at me like I’m crazy (I am but that’s beside the point) They’ve NEVER heard anyone pronounce it other than Berry. So I go by “bear” It’s simpler and I’m hairy…

          OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • SPATS says:

      According to Bob Cole on HNIC on Saturday, a relative of Kaberle’s (brother/father I don’t recall) asked him personally to pronounce it
      Cobberlay while he was doing Laff’s games all those years.

      OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • sims says:

      that is the complete opposite of what Bob Cole said on saturday. He said that Kaberles father asked him to pronounce it cob-er-lay

      • Mattyleg says:

        Those who place their trust in Bob Cole should not live in glass houses or try to hold birds in their hands.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • sims says:

          forgive me if i side with bob. just because hes getting old doesnt mean he isnt worth trusting. been listening to his voice for 30 years and i still think he’s one of the best.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Oh dear.
            I stopped listening to or trusting Bob Cole a long long time ago. He couldn’t remember half the players’ names, was often slow and behind the play, and generally didn’t seem to know what was going on. The number of times he was still talking when they faded to commercial break made me laugh.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Bripro says:

          What’s wrong with holding your bird in your hand?
          Sometimes it’s the only option. That and Tylenol!

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Correct sims! cob-er lay is the right pronunciation.

        • Mattyleg says:

          You just want his name to resemble yours!! ;)
          No, Ian, it’s not cob-er lay. It’s a mistaken understanding of his father(?)’s accent, if anything. ‘A’ is never pronounced ‘o’ (like Cobb) in Czech.
          -edit- If that were the case, it would have been Spotchek, rather than Spacheck.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Halak isn’t Czech though is he?

      • Mattyleg says:

        No, but Czech and Slovakian are as close as two different languages come. There are very few differences. Polish is very very similar too. All Slavic languages have phonetic pronunciations, with very few exceptions.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

  40. habs4_25th says:

    I like the Kaberle trade, he brings with him the vision to QB a power play. He maybe not be get defensively but not all of our player are. He is better suited to play our style of hockey based on speed and passing, not like the Bruins where he did not fit in with the smash’em crash’em kinda of hockey they play. Carolinas problems are like another person had said are far deeper then Kaberle. If markov ever comes back and gets smoked then we will be with out him for another 1 year if not more. He is not a shooting kind of Defenseman, he worked well with McCabe as a set up and shooter pairing. I think put him on the PP with Subban and let Subban fire lasers at the goalie.

    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch. Be it yours to hold high.”

  41. SPATS says:

    My Christmas wish list…

    Move Weber, Cammy, Gomez and Campoli
    Pick up a solid first line winger or 2
    Marky & White come back healthy for 2012
    Keep Louie and give him top 9 minutes

    Assuming we stay healthy and close, we’ll have cap space to make an endrun and gain MO heading into the serious season.

    According to Freidman, it’s pronounce “Cobberlay” and out of respect for our H I/O summit patriarch (Ian Cobb) I say let’s change how the first half of it is spelled. Cobberle looks good to me

    OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

    • Mattyleg says:

      Cammy IS a solid first line winger.
      He’s snakebit right now, but getting rid of him to try to get someone else to do what he can do is pointless. He just needs to get himself out of his funk. He’s hit more posts this season than I’ve had hot dinners.
      Patience, my friend.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • SPATS says:

        Just my gut telling me he doesn’t fit in with the room. The piece by Elliot Friedman with his dual travel bags (a separate one for nail clippers?) tells me he’s not trying too hard to fit in with the working man ethic of the rest, and he’s not afraid to stand out for those reasons. That tells me, it’s Cammy before the team? I know, I’m delusional. But at least I know it. I don’t think he’s self aware.

        That, and he’s been phoning in the forechecking. One good post season scoring streak is all he’s brought in 2 1/2 yrs.

        I know he’s not going anywhere, that’s why it’s a “wish” list

        Your friend in kind
        Spats

        OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

        • SmartDog says:

          I’m all for looking at signs of player fit and motivation etc. And yeah, that’s kind of weird with the 2 shaving kits… but this is a guy who’s all about performance and tools so I can see it.

          What I think is more likely to be affecting his motivation is he’s had a kid… and I don’t know if he has a wife (or just a GF?)… and that can SERIOUSLY change your situation. When I had mine I kept saying “man this thing is inefficient!”. LOL Kids soak up a lot of time, a huge change of life I think for a guy like Cami who is all about 100% focus on his own life and performance. My bet is he gets used to it and bounces back.

          ————————————-
          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

          • SPATS says:

            Didn’t know about the child. That would indeed change things. However, it doesn’t explain his lack of fight in the corners. He talks about “compete level” as much as anyone, and he’s a cerebral player for sure. I think the line juggling is hurting him and he’s pouting.

            OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        For whatever reason, he’s next to useless right now. I’d trade him for some of that much needed grit that people keep harping about.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Plekanec had a terrible season, and if we’d traded him when everyone was demanding it, we’d never have seen what great things he can do for us. Let’s not jump the gun.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • SPATS says:

            We weren’t paying him 5 million when Pleks was “playing like a girl”

            OOH AAH – HABS ON THE WARPATH!

          • Mattyleg says:

            Yeah, there’s that… perhaps an imperfect analogy.
            But Cammy’s record!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

  42. otisfxu says:

    “Scott Gomez is out in a no-contact burgundy jersey”

    Just like his game jersey, just a little darker in color

  43. nick says:

    Hey is Price RFA or UFA at the end of the season?

  44. Mattyleg says:

    Ooh! Ooh! I forgot to mention:

    d) Jack Todd can ‘rip’ whoever the hell he goddamn wants… I will still never read his bandwagon-jumping, ill-informed, holier-than-thou, ramblings.
    Never.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  45. Higman says:

    Good day all!

    Well, I have to say, I am happy both Kaberle and Spacek performed well over the weekend.

    If Kaberle is any kind of QB for the PP, this team will improve. Basically, the PP has been going 10%. That’s brutal! And hopefully, with some confidence, the short-handed goals will stop too!!! (They were becoming almost as common as the too many men on the ice penalties).

    So, a little positivity is in order and if you’re still grouchy, just say this: “The Leafs have Optimus Rheim and the Monster!”

    ———————
    When the tough gets going, the laughs start flowing. Like Price said, “Chill.”

    • Mattyleg says:

      I like!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • The Dude says:

      Kaberle’s biggest liability is his defense which is weird caused he’s a Defense Man! but yeah a 3 year contract for a Quarterback is what we have and if he does well and the team keeps studdering along like old Mel Tillis he may have some Trade value for something called “a contender?”All I can say is …..I really hate you hockey Gods but you do have a great sense of humor ,lol

  46. Say Ash says:

    Odds on PG signing Gorges before trade deadline?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      70/30 if favour of him signing. Wouldn’t be surprised though if it is only 1-2 year term given what the pipeline has comng by way of Dmen.

    • Mattyleg says:

      That would be awesome.
      And it’s dirt in the eye of everyone who was moaning about Gorges at the beginning of the season and saying he isn’t valuable.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

  47. SmartDog says:

    I HATED THE KABERLE TRADE BECAUSE:
    - It smacks of PG’s desperation.
    - If Markov WILL be back, why pick up this guy and his risky contract? To help us for a couple of weeks? Doesn’t make sense.
    - It’s a 3-year deal on an overpaid guy who has knocks on his work ethic.
    - The general opinion on Kaberle is he’s weak 5-on-5 and slowing down on D.
    - AND MOSTLY… it locks us into ANOTHER guy who WAS ONCE GOOD but may not be anymore, and for 3 years. and we already have a few guys like that.

    BUT I MAY LOVE THE KABERLE DEAL IF:
    - Kaberle feels revived as he might given where he’s been, how much he loves Montreal, and how well he played against us here (I’m a big believer in motivation – see the Sun article from yesterday).
    - Kaberle performs like he did on the PP the other night for the next 3 years, and plays decently on D.
    AND… if it means they’ve decided to send-down, ship-out, or buy-out Gomez. If this was part of the conversation before bringing in Kaberle then this is a good deal! And it might have been. His salary could cause problems unless they have a plan to free up space from our existing contracts. And dumping the burden that is Scott Gomez’s 12% cap hit deficit is the most logical plan.

    So…I still don’t like PG taking on another long-term risk to keep his job, but I have a different view…. this could turn out well.
    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • shiram says:

      Sending Gomez to Hamilton, the sweetener that enables us to swallow any pill.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

    • G-Man says:

      If you’re talking Kablerle why in the firetruck do you bring up Gomez? Is it OCD or what?

      • SmartDog says:

        No, Kaberle is another cap hit that may turn out bad. But since he eats up breathing room, if I’m Molson and PG approaches me about this deal one thing we talk about is how is it going to affect us next year after we resign Price, Subban, Gorges, etc. And the numbers don’t add up well unless you have a plan for dumping salary. If you can’t see Gomez being part of that conversation you’re not too smart.

        ————————————-
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Hockey says:

      so you called Kaberle the new Gomez and a stinky dump but you like him now after one game. and if he’s good, you’ll like him. but if he’s not, you won’t. fantastic insights, chute.

  48. shiram says:

    One thing to like about the Kaberle deal is that Gauthier did not wait for the trade deadline, acquiring players earlier on the season usually means they come cheaper.
    That said, some still feel a pick could have come back our way, those usually consider this trade to be a salary dump for Carolina.
    But based on #, Kaberle should be the better player.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

  49. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ All.
    Couple things I was mulling over on the weekend:

    a) I have no problem with the Kaberle trade. I don’t think that his performance in Boston (which some people said was poor, but they won the Stanley Cup with him anyway) is not the best way to determine his worth, as getting a defenseman at the trade deadline is tough to incorporate. Defense is all about communication and trust and mutual understanding between partners. That isn’t easy to build at the end of a season with a new team. Forwards do much better at trade deadline. PLUS, Carolina’s problems are far, far deeper than Kaberle, who I’m sure was glad to get off that sinking leviathan, despite Captain Kirk coming to the rescue.
    I’m looking forward to watching Kaberle work.

    2) I remember when I liked hockey the most. It was back in the days when worrying about ‘the cap’ or ‘trade value’ or ‘projected return-time from arthroscopic surgery’ or any other pseudo-GM speak didn’t enter into my support of my team. You know what? I still love hockey and the Habs, and I leave those worries to the GM. I’ll keep watching the games and supporting the team that’s on the ice, because that’s what it’s all about, innit? People moaning about ‘the cap’ and ‘the team’s future’ etc etc make me roll my eyes, because for me, it’s all about supporting the team now, and being excited to see where the next steps will take us. Getting panties in knots over things we can’t control is a waste of time. It’s like parents who think they know what a teacher should be doing for their kids. Everyone knows better. The fact is, the person who knows best is doing the job, and you aren’t because you don’t.

    iii) This warm weather blows. Bring on the snow! It’s nearly Christmas, goddammit!!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  50. HabinBurlington says:

    Whether we like it or not, the Kaberle trade has just bought JM at least another month. I am no fan of JM, but the organization is committed to him, and in fairness they can now better judge him as his team finally appears to have a powerplay qb.

    I may not be happy with that, but I look forward to seeing what JM can do with this team now that he should have a good powerplay, perhaps much better powerplay if Gomez is healthy and trying.

    We have heard after many games that JM puts the blame on special teams. Well his PK has been fine, his PP must now match that. If this team does not improve its Powerplay, perhaps JM will himself have cooked his own goose. His words may come back to haunt him.

    • Mattyleg says:

      I have a feeling that we’re sticking with JM until the end of the season. I don’t see that as a bad thing.
      As little as I like his system, there’s nobody who is really interesting right now, and dumping JM mid-season to put someone in charge as a caretaker should only be done if the team really really bails on him, otherwise there’s no reason.
      At the season’s end, we can look around and see what really good coaches are available, and make a move for the best option, not the least bad option.
      How’s tricks in the Burl?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Things are okay, hectic preparing for year end with work, but life is good. Unlike you I am loving the avoidance of winter weather. I make no bones about my preferance for heat and summer. Thankfully the Habs help quicken the winters.

        JM ain’t going anywhere this season, unless the team goes on a real losing streak. I will never cheer for a losing streak, but am all for finding a new coach for the long haul.

  51. habsnyc says:

    I do not like the Kaberle trade. I think Montreal makes the playoffs with or without Kaberle. It prevents Montreal from going after a bettter defenseman in the offseason or it takes a spot away from a young player on the roster.

    I liked the Halak trade. Price is the goalie of the future. Halak played over his head and Montreal got a young player chosen 16th overall in return. That was a great trade. 100% great job by PG.

    I do not believe that Kaberle moves this team from 6-8th place to 2-3rd place. I think there are players out there who could help the team move up the standiings. I think some of those players are currently in the organization but are not yet in their prime. As a fan, I prefer to grow through the draft and young players. That was Gainey’s plan when he joined the team. I am not a believer that Cole and Kaberle are difference makers. To me, they are too old and their contracts will be liabilities in their final years, just like Spacek had been a liability this year.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Cole is a difference maker. Not only does Cole score difference making goals virtually every week,

      Cole is leading by example and Max and AK46 (and others) are learning how to score in this league.

      Cole is the best move Gauthier has made.

      • habsnyc says:

        The offense is no better this year than last year. It is is probably a little worse. It is hard to call Cole a difference maker when I see no difference to the results.

        Just wait until the fourth year of this contract. That is what makes this a bad signing.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • 24moreCups says:

          5 on 5 scoring has improved from last year, our PP has been horrible but hopefully that will improve also.

        • Stev.R says:

          This year we’re 13th in 5 on 5 Goals for.
          Last year we were 26th.
          Our offense has gotten much better.

          However, we were 9th last year in 5 on 4 goals for.
          This year we are 25th.
          I think we found the problem.

          Just 1 pp goal a game would put us atleast 7 points higher in the standings. Probably more.

          • habsnyc says:

            I have been watching those stats all season and the week to week volatility in them makes me reluctant to reach any major conclusions from them. Though, I appreciate that Montreal’s power play has deteriorated.

            I could argue that the difference from last season is mostly attributable to Moen’s eight goals and 25% shooting percentage.
            Cole is on pace for 27-28 goals which is pretty much league average for a first or second line scoring wing.

            You can argue that Montreal deteriorated meaningfully in the offseason through the aging of their forwards and lacked young takent to make up for it. Therefore management kicked the can down the road by giving Cole four years when the rest of the league would give him three or less.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • Mattyleg says:

          The scoring is no different because our ‘skill’ scorers (Cammi, Gio, Pleks) haven’t been putting the puck in the net as regularly, but our ‘power’ scorers (AK, Max, Moen??) have been watching Cole’s example, and emulating him. Without that secondary scoring, we’d be toast.

          Which is why Cole is PG’s best move. I agree with Ed.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • habsnyc says:

            Your assertion that watching Cole has changed how Moen, Max and AK play is a stretch. In any event, the end result on standings is unchanged. Within a large context, some parts of a team’s performance will improve in one year and some will decline. However, before I look deeply under the hood, I check the standings, and from what I can tell, Montreal is pretty much where they were last year in the standings. So Cole has had little impact, the way I look at it. I think Cole will have a negative imact on the team in three years given his age. Which to me makes this a bad move. It was a fine signing for one year or two years. Four years is too long.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • SmartDog says:

            Our BIG scorers have been scoring. Our little scorers have not. Coincidence?

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            Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • The question about Kaberle is: if we decide to trade him to free up space, can we get more for him than he gave up? Unless he’s abysmally bad, which has never happened for more than 20 games or so in any season in his career, the answer is yes. So it’s a good deal.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Chorske says:

      But PG did not give up any young assets, and Kaberle is such a role-player (PP QB) that I can’t see him really robbing ice time from the kids. At any rate Weber is in the doghouse (that’s a whole nuther discussion) and Diaz shouldn’t be playing big-name minutes as a rookie anyway.

      As for MTL making the playoffs- I did not share your optimism about the Habs making the playoffs as they were.

      • habsnyc says:

        I was optimistic about them making the playoffs because they are not getting beat by much when they lose and Price can carry this team to the playoffs. Their goal differential suggests to me that they can compete on a regular basis. Price has not been as consistently brilliant this year as last year and I think he can have a superlative stretch.

        I agree it was important for PG to help the PP without losing any young assets. I imagine JM will be under pressure to give Kaberle a lot of minutes because of the salary. I think Markov will replace Kaberle on the first team PP in three weeks, further bumping Emelin. If Kaberle and Markov are here for three years, what is Emelin going to do?

        The organization passed on Streit who is younger and cheaper than Kaberle. If we go back in time, that is the error. Kaberle is the consequence of that error.

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • thorandresson says:

      Have you watched any Habs games this year?

      Cole is not a difference maker? Really? Are you blind?

      Also, have you seen how bad the powerplay has looked, and did you see how cool, calm and collected Kaberle was on Saturday controlling things on the point?

      Speaking of building through youth, you need a few veterans on the team to help the young guys out. Examples, Cole helping a guy like Paccioretty become a better powerforward and Kaberle potentially helping Subban become better offensively

      • Mattyleg says:

        You make good points, but you need to chill out a bit with your tone, Thor. Calling people blind or ‘not the shapest knife’ isn’t conducive to intelligent discussion.
        Your insights are good, just take a breath before you write, bud.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • thorandresson says:

          Yah I know, went a bit overboard there and surprised my comment didn’t get deleted.

          Anyways, I just dislike seeing people make assertions about the future like “he’s Montreal’s for the duration of the contract”. How do you know that unless you have a crystal ball?

          • Mattyleg says:

            Maybe he does! Maybe he does!

            … he probably doesn’t.

            S’all good, dude. :)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I much, much prefer when someone states a clear opinion, supported by logic and opinions that you can debate and disagree with, than the wishy washy “time will tell” that I see creeping into the discussion with alarming frequency.

            Time will tell? You logged on to tell me that?

            Pick a side. We’re at war.

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          • habsnyc says:

            He is likely Montreal’s for the duration of the contract because statistically, few players his age with that kind of contract get moved in this league once let alone twice. I do not have a crystal ball, I am citing percentages.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • G-Man says:

      Habs with their piss poor PP would not make the playoffs. Having 14 PP goals instead of 30 (average of 1 per game) has made all the difference in the standings. Habs right now are on the bubble instead of firmly in the top 5 of the conference.
      At the time, 29 games into the season, moving Spacek for Kaberle is a good move, enabling the PP to be more productive.

    • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

      Your praise for Gauthier’s Halak-Price decision would only make sense if he was trading one for the other. He wasn’t. We HAD both. He traded a red-hot commodity for a 3rd line center who has shown potential to be more. But little sustained progress.

      So, no, I would not qualify that trade as a “great job” at all. In fact the signing of Cole is, IMO, the only gold star on PG’s report card.

      I remember Dec. 31, 1975

    • HabsTOfan says:

      Thomas Kaberle is a serviceable NHL defence man and will help this year as much if not more than SPACEK would have. However, this trade will hurt this off season when we will be hand-cuffed by his cap hit and not able to sing Josh Georges. Mark my words! We are going to have to give Carey price a boat load of money (worth every penny) as well as PK. Another bad move by PG and solidifies this teams future for another mediocre 2 to 3 years. this is the most frustrating thing As a Habs fan……why????

    • JF says:

      I can’t agree that Montreal makes the playoffs without Kaberle. We have had no powerplay to speak of all season. Based on Kaberle’s play on Saturday, we might just have one now; and that will be key to making the playoffs.

      The Kaberle deal does not move us form 6-8th place to 2-3rd place. We were not in 6-8th place. We were in 10-12th place. The Kaberle deal might move us into a playoff spot. And if our overpaid forwards start producing more, we could move higher than that.

      • boonie says:

        You’re right… Unfortunately.

        Kaberle probably will help us squeak into the playoffs. Which costs us a potential lottery pick, means kaberle is around next year (costing us cap space and our young D developmental opportunities and robbing us of the chance to trade spacek for prospects/picks at the deadline.

        On the plus side, kaberle could lift the PP making watching these games more enjoyable.

        • JF says:

          A potential lottery pick. That’s the rub. Even without Kaberle, we could end up in 9th or 10th place. No lottery pick, no playoffs. But yes, we could perhaps have gotten a draft pick for Spacek at the trade deadline, but probably a late one.

  52. kirkiswork says:

    I prefer reading Josey Vogels to Jack Todd……no offence to Josey.

  53. The Gazette sports crew doesn’t seem to have much love for Don Cherry’s blowhard nature and tendency to pump out controversial ill-considered attacks on anything and anybody that happens to get his attention on a given day.

    So here’s a serious question: why do they put up with the same crap from Jack Todd?

    If he were a new writer without all that seniority, would his rants and exclamation marks and abuse of ampersands even get him a job interview? I generally read just about everything I come across about the Habs, and folks here who know me know I’m not the kind of poster who’s always complaining about something. But I just can’t stomach his ranting and railing anymore, and I don’t seem to be alone. I’d much rather see SeriousFan’s prospect update, or a “Hockey I/O post of the week” reprinted in the print paper.

    And are we seriously still whining about Jeffrey Loria in every single column? Is this 2004? If Jack Todd’s columns take more than 10 minutes to write (or 10 seconds to punctuate), I’ll be really surprised.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I haven’t read much of Todd over my lifetime, really just the past couple years since I found HI/O. But you make a good analogy, in that Cherry and Todd are like brothers with different idealogies. They both have similar traits with different points to make. I am generalizing on Todd’s part.

      I will admit, I used to like and enjoy Don Cherry and his segments. But the past 5-10 years he has just gotten to full of himself, old and crotchety. Could perhaps the same be true of Jack?

      • You may be right. Crotchety writing can be fun, but when a columnist is crotchety, tired and predictable, well, that’s not fun.

        And I recognize that I’m generalizing too — maybe unfairly to Todd. Maybe I’d be better off attacking the writing and not the man, but in column after column, it commits the writer’s cardinal sin: it just isn’t interesting.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • MasterHab says:

          If you want to talk predictable and uninteresting, I suggest reading any Red Fisher column of the past 5 years. For me, Todd is must-read journalism and in his latest column he hits the nail squarely on the head. The fact that Kaberle had a couple of assists on Saturday doesn’t change the fact that this was an idiotic trade made by an idiotic GM and two years from now when we finally get out from under this contract and the Gomez fiasco this team is only going to be two more years further removed from it’s last championship.

          And why should Todd not give us a weekly reminder about what Loria and Samson did to baseball fans in Montreal? They deserve it.

          People who dislike Todd are the kind of fans that the Habs’ front office like – they have short memories and all they want is a game to watch on Saturday night. They don’t want to have to face or be reminded of unpleasant realities; like the fact that their favourite team is run by incompetents and owned by a man who pays lip service to winning Cups but really only cares about making a buck.

          I, like Todd, believe that pro sports is a results-oriented business. I care about winning championships. I have zero interest in watching 20 random players wearing bleu, blanc, rouge every other night. If it isn’t leading to anything then it’s a straight-up waste of my time and money. Journalists like Todd are there to keep management’s feet to the fire. We need more like him. Instead we increasingly get media cheerleaders because media outlets and sports teams wind up being owned by the same communications conglomerates.

          All you need to know is this: the Habs, in their infinite wisdom, have just blown $12 million worth of cap space over the next couple of years on a player who won’t make any difference. What’s not to be “crotchety” about? If I can’t be angry with a deal this stupid when can I be?

      • VancouverHab says:

        Boy–not blowing smoke up you but crikey this is a sharp analysis: Todd is Cherry’s evil-universe twin antithetical ideologies.

        Except of course that Don Cherry is a Canadian icon, loved by (probably) millions, and worth millions. And Todd, ahem, isn’t.

        Actually Todd has a modus operandi here: he finds some public Great Man (Bob Gainey, Don Cherry) and insults them in his sport columns and attempts thereby to have himself elevated to their stature by being their antagonist.

        Except he squeaks in all-but obscurity doomed to be soon utterly forgotten while the Greats remain undiminished in hockey Valhalla….

  54. habs03 says:

    With a good week, Habs would find themselves 6th in the East and 2nd in the division..

  55. kholdstare says:

    Not a single comment yet on the need to fire JM or PG.

    -we’re talking about practice. We’re talking about practice. We’re not talking about the game. We’re talking about practice.

    • ed lopaz says:

      ok I’ll get the ball rolling.

      change the coach and watch how the offensive players on this team become instantly inspired.

      change the coach and watch how well we can forecheck and force the opposition to turn over the puck in their own zone.

      change the coach and watch how the team starts winning much more consistently.

      is that a good start??

      • habs03 says:

        How to do we measure how players are inspired, how do we measure how effective the fore-check is?

        Edit, because IMO measuring things like fore-check is by looking at if you have any trouble generating 5on5 scoring. Problem is we are top 10 in that area.

        • petefleet says:

          I hate this phrase but “you took the words right out of my mouth”. One of the things that I like about the Habs game is their forcheck. Changing the coach won’t effect that….positively. However, I do not like other things that JM is doing and I’m sure he will continue to do them. His choice of players on the ice at the end of periods and the game are baffling to me. Not sure what he’s thinking alot of the time.

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          ***Habs Forever***

        • ed lopaz says:

          measuring the forecheck is about how quickly we get to the defenceman with the puck, and how we force a bad play, or we finish our hit and stop the defenceman from moving the puck entirely.

          how often do the Habs get this done??

          how effectively do the elite teams forecheck??

          now, once the initial puck handling defenceman has been slowed or stopped, we can move our second man into a position to take the puck and take control of the play in their zone.

          how do we measure if a player is inspired??

          do Cammy and Gionta and Subban, for example, look like they are happy playing hockey these days?

          Because they are very emotional players and you can tell from the look on their faces whether they are inspired these days or not.

          that’s the way I see things – at least

          there is very little enjoyable about playing for Martin.

          • habs03 says:

            “measuring the forecheck is about how quickly we get to the defenceman with the puck, and how we force a bad play, or we finish our hit and stop the defenceman from moving the puck entirely”

            All this is BS to me to be honest with you, I could say could say that, well if the other D-men is a good pucking moving D-men, he can simply make a play and the other team has an odd man rush.

            You said our fore-check sucks and pointed out that stats otherwise (ex 5 on 5) scoring.

            Also do you know Cammy-PK-Gionta personal to know how they are feeling. Maybe they aren’t looking good because the team is playing .500.

            All 3 looked very very happy last year with JM.

      • kholdstare says:

        Offensive players become inspired by what exactly? You make it sound like being a professional coach is the easiest thing in the world. So we get a polar opposite coach to JM, playing minimal defence, and Price’s goals against skyrocket. What will you suggest then, we get a more defensive minded coach? It’s ridiculous to assume that we would be any better with Bruce Boudreau, I would even argue we would be terrible.

  56. Lafrich says:

    May I ask all the people on this site a question:

    If the Gomez and Cammy (and Markov) were not locked up to their huge deals, thus tying up all that cap space, would the Kaberle deal be bad?

    I for one liked the deal, and you can check all my posts pre-Saturday’s game to see I am not jumping on any bandwagon. I liked the deal since I did not like Spacek, and I have always thought Kaberle to be a very good defenseman. This is an upgrade, and 2 years at 4.25 is certainly not horrible.

    • gmur says:

      My analysis:
      Spacek’s a Czech
      And Kabby’s a Czech
      But Spacek’s paycheck’s smaller
      Than the other Czech’s cheque…
      But neither Czech checks…

      My apologies to the commentariat… I’m bored.

    • Stef says:

      It’s a bad trade because Gauthier agreed to take on the salary without getting more in return, even if it was only a 3rd or 4th round pick. The players themselves are less relevant in a cap world in this particular trade.

      • patience is a virtue says:

        Wha? Boston gave up a first round pick and Joe Colborne for Kabs less than a year ago. Getting him for the injury-prone 38 year old will probably be looked back on as a steal.

        I hope!

        • habsnyc says:

          Different. Boston got him as a pending UFA rental.

          What could Montreal have received for Sheldon Souray when he was a pending UFA? After Souray signed a big contract with Edmonton, he was untradeable and cleared waivers.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • Danno says:

      Molson is going to send Gomez down and his salary will be off the cap space. Markov may never return liberating even more cap space. Stay tuned.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  57. patience is a virtue says:

    Errant and others asked “Why Kabs?!” in previous threads. The Habs media isn’t helping us to understand PG on this one as they are busy bashing him and the player in question.

    Bloggers have provided much more reasoned insight into this risky move:

    1) Topham at Lionsinwinter’s take – http://www.lionsinwinter.ca/2011/12/kaberle-deal-is-big-deal.html

    2) Andrew Berkshire’s piece at EOtP – http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2011/12/9/2624111/habs-trade-spacek-for-kaberle

    3) Boucher’s statistical assessment – http://www.boucherscouting.com/2011/12/habs-kaberle-performs-as-expected.html

    To paraphrase – Kabs scored 47 points last season (25 on the PP), despite struggling in Boston (and notching 11 assists for them in the playoffs). He is a very skilled puck moving defenseman – he passes a lot and very accurately in all zones in all situations, but is relatively weak without the puck (comparable to the Wiz in this regard). He is exactly what the PP needs, the key weakness right now.

    He is extremely durable – very minimal missed time during his career, and not over the hill yet at 33.

    His contract is probably moveable, or dumpable if the CBA negotiations result in another penalty-free release period, as is rumoured already.

    Yes, he might be a bust, but if not, it’s all upside for the Habs.

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    “Scott Gomez is out in a no-contact burgundy jersey.”

    Sometimes the jokes just write themselves.

  59. gmur says:

    It will be fun (ok, not in the look-how-defensively-tight-those-Dmen-are fun) to watch Campoli, Kaberle, Subban, Markov, Gorges and Emelin play hockey. While some of them may make a mistake or two, they can skate, pass and shoot well. Ok, so Emelin is the only true hitter in the bunch, but still. Add in subs like Diaz, St. Denis (who did pretty good in his first stay with the team) and Weber (when he plays a bit in the AHL to work out some kinks)… there are some mobile defencemen in this lot. Gill is around to shut down top lines and PK…
    You’ve got to admit that this mix of players is going to be entertaining. There’s potential for some exciting hockey against good puck-moving teams.

  60. Kooch7800 says:

    Think Moen will be back next year? We do need him and he does occassionally chip in with goals

    • shiram says:

      Moen is doing great this year, and the team needs his kind of play, if they don’t have someone to replace him, that will hurt.

      Maybe Markov sometime?

    • DearyLeary says:

      There’s nothing irreplaceable when it comes to Moen, so if they can’t get him back at the same price, maybe a slight increase (2 mil tops) it’s easy to let him walk.

      He’s been playing well this year, but I have to believe that that 1.5-2 million can be spent just as well somewhere else.

    • SmartDog says:

      There are only TWO options: sign him to a 1-year deal or let him go!

      He sucked last year. This year is a contract year and he’s playing great… so make it another contract year or turf him.

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  61. keepthefaith says:

    Fisher sucks. The game has passed him by. Jack Todd is worse. He should add himself to the top of the zero list every column

  62. deuce6 says:

    Kaberle brings an element to the team that only Markov himself could bring….Tomas’ puck moving ability is on another planet…

    It will only help PK’s game going forward, as well…

    ——————

    Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • habs-hampton says:

      I hope it works out for the team, and I’m sure it will help the PP. What I’m worried about is the contract and whether or not it will prevent us from resigning some of our future stars. I’m hoping PG knows better than me (and I’m sure he does), but the amount of money tied in long term contracts for guys well into their 30′s is concerning.

      Time’s up, JM must go!

      • ffenliv says:

        Well, with PK having an off-year (though, with only one full year under his belt, there’s no way to know if this year is ‘off’, or if this is what his career will look like), PG may be able to save some money on a new deal.

        Of course, if PK is going to accept less money, it’s also going to be on a shorter term, giving PK a chance to prove himself and earn a new contract.

  63. SmartDog says:

    I’m excited if Kaberle is excited.

    It was great to read that article in the Sun where he said his #1 favorite building in the league to play in was Montreal (he said this WHEN he was playing for Toronto and off the record).

    I want to see this guy but a “boone” not a bust. He could make a real difference.

    ————————————-
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    • likehoy says:

      I’m curious for what kind of reception he’s going to get from fans at the Bell Centre… quizzical cheers? I don’t think anyone would boo him..

      - If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • Hockey says:

      he could make a real difference? i thought he was the new gomez and a big stinky dump. which one is it, poop chute?

      • SmartDog says:

        I’ve always said about Gomez, that I would shut up if the guy put up at least decent points – 55-60 AND if he seemed to be working hard and doing what it takes (going to the net sometimes, playing north-south).

        I still don’t like the Kaberle deal because we’re locked into to another expensive guy late in his career with questions about his work ethic and 5-on-5 play. BUT… I have to admit he looked really good on the PP so I’m going to give some positive vibes, hoping he turns out to be okay. Still concerned long term, but at least it’s not 7 million and at least he DID look good and I honestly can’t say that about Gomez. Even when Gomez does play well he seems to make people wait for him. So, no, he’s not as bad as Gomez and no I’m still not thrilled. But maybe I over-stated it.. because we have too many guys slowing down (people rarely get better after their late 20′s, usually they get worse) on these kinds of contracts.

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  64. shiram says:

    Time will tell on the Kaberle deal, and the only logical stance is to wait and see what he does.
    Of course his cap hit is a problem, but if he plays like he did in TO, well that won’t be too bad.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

  65. hab1970 says:

    just an idea to throw out there….maybe we should think about moving Markov…see what we get.

  66. shiram says:

    Can’t unless he is healthy and playing, and at this point it seems unlikely a GM would take a chance on him, if he has not played regularly for a while.

    Maybe Markov sometime?

  67. habs03 says:

    This.

    The only ‘issue” is Gorges, and he isn’t that hard to resign. People talk about the cap, but have we EVER lost a player for cap reasons?

    PG said it himself, when asked about the cap for next year, he clearly said that it isn’t a problem and if it were, it could be easily solved, which would mean Gomez.

    Btw 4.25M on a 63M+ cap, is what a good 4th-5th D-men go about, which fits Kaberle perfectly.

  68. HabinBurlington says:

    I read somewhere you moved allegiances to Toronto Maple Leafs and I assumed you would be posting here: http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/

    Did they already change the website to CableMediaWhores and you couldn’t find the site? :)

  69. Un Canadien errant says:

    HH, told you to be careful. It’s hard to buy back your virginity.

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  70. Chrisadiens says:

    Nice avatar. I think you got the letters wrong though. You should be FF for flip-flop. :)

    Just messin with ya, don’t take this the wrong way.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  71. Bripro says:

    Probably not.
    Campbell would have to come out of hiding and reprimand whoever hits the league in the head.


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