Multimedia from Thursday practice

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Are there Canadiens who won’t be seeing the Brossard training complex again?
That’s the question that will be answered by Monday afternoon, when the curtain falls on the trade deadline.
The team had a spirited practice before boarding a charter flight to Washington.

As the focus of a good-sized scrum, Andrei Kostitsyn said he hoped to stay in Montreal and had no desire to join his brother in Nashville.

AUDIO: Randy Cunneyworth

• Minor scuffle: DD and Subban

• Louis Leblanc is out in a powder-blue jersey that 98,5 play-by-play announcer Martin McGuire says is identical to the jersey the Nordiques wore for their first NHL season. I have no clue what this may signify.

• Alexei Emelin’s wife had their second daughter yesterday. He’s not at practice and will join the team in Washington.

• Mathieu Darche is out  with Louis Leblanc and Aaron Palushaj with an upper-body knack, picked up against Dallas.

• Lines at practice: Tomas Plekanec centring Lars Eller and AK46, the DD line, Scott Gomez with Rene Bourque and Ryan White, Petteri Nokelainen

• Alexander Ovechkin is early off the ice at Washington’s morning skate

949 Comments

  1. HabFanSince72 says:

    Forget Nash. They want a goalie and we don’t have one to give.

    However, Carter is a different issue. I think he will be a steal for whoever gets him. His cap hit is ridiculously low at $5.25 M and yes it’s a long contract but he would be only 35 when it ends – not that old. Also $5M in 6 years is like $3M now.

    He’s a 35 goals/yr scorer. He’s cheap because he’s having an off year and has a bad rep. The partying will die down once he nears 30 years of age.

    We could give just a bit less than what Columbus paid – say Tinordi and Bournival? (Or Beaulieu instead of Tinordi).


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • TomNickle says:

      Yeah you can’t overpay a guy who sleeps with a teammate’s wife. Can’t overpay a guy who is one of the softest 6’3 players in NHL history and a you certainly can’t overpay a guy who would sit out with a hangnail.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Agree the Habs should be looking at Carter, but I wouldn’t want to include Tinordi or Beaulieu. I belive that you need to build a team from the back end out.

    • Bripro says:

      There’s the rumour that he’s still a cancer in the room and he hasn’t given up his partying ways.
      Besides, RDS mentioned the other night that L.A. are trying to pick him up as well.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Montreal automatically DOUBLES any man’s capability to party. We have enough troubles already.

    • Stev.R says:

      5m is like 3m in 5 years from now. That’s what they said on Sportsnet. Don’t be too sure about that. The cap isn’t going to keep going up in this economy, in fact it is most likely going to go down.

    • habsnyc says:

      Forget Nash because Nash has an NTC and is not coming to a non contender. Nash is controlling the process, not Columbus.

      Great point on Carter. He can score 35 goals a season, even as a second line center. What people do not understand about Carter is that he is a shooter. He had three seasons in a row taking at least four shots per game. It was idiotic to put him on the same line as Nash, who takes a similar number of shots per game. This was brought up by the local beat writer in Columbus at the Carter trade press conference and management did not adress the issue. Carter’s shooting percentage is above his career average this seaosn, but he is taking one shot per game less than prior three year average. He still has talent and if he played 82 games and took 340 shots, he would have 40 goals.

      The downside is that he has only a few years til he turns 30 and his contract runs to age 35. To put 35 into perspective for a goal scorer, I do not think any NHL player over the age of 30 will socre 30 or more goals this year. (Maybe Michael Ryder.) I think less than five 30 year olds will score more than 25 goals this year. So those last five years with Carter will be tough.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Interresting point about age.

        You’re right but it’s not that bad.

        These over 30 year olds are all on pace to score 30:

        D Sedin, Hossa, Iginla, Franzen, Ryder and Marleau.

        Lecavalier, Alfredsson and Selanne have a shot.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • habsnyc says:

          Yes, I meant to write over 35 scoring 35. The guys who have 23 goals are on pace for 30 goals. I forgot that the Sedins turned 30 during the season. Thanks for checking my math. Funny that Ryder is the second leading over 30 year old goal scorer in the NHL.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  2. sane hockey fan says:

    How both the Rangers and the Red Wings built contenders without the aid of high draft picks, i.e. Tanking

    http://thegoodpoint.com/2012/02/rebuilding-around-the-nhl-draft/

  3. zak says:

    AK’s value….. power scout hockey.com

    Hire the best regardless of language

  4. chilli says:

    You guys discussing ridiculous trades that will never happen is about as exciting as when people post what they think the score will be for an upcoming game.

    3-1 Habs next game!

    Separately, I did chuckle when I read a quote from Glen Sather re the Nash trade rumors naming a few players on his squad that are simply untouchable… Ryan McDonagh being one of them.

    Tre

  5. Habitoba says:

    Campoli/Kaberle for Hamrlik. Is it just me or does this almost make too much sense? Maybe it’s the lack of sleep…
    (edit) I should have read previous threads… I’ve been beaten to the punch

  6. rogus says:

    Kaberle for Hemsky straight up. Do it!

  7. s_impastato says:

    Roman Hamrlik has called out head coach Dale Hunter for benching him. I’m hoping for a one for one trade. Hamrlik for Kabrale.

    • habsnyc says:

      If Green can stay healthy, he is younger and better than Kaberle. It would be hard to justify Kaberle on the roster if Green runs the powerplay.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I think these days you need redundancy at PP qb, unless you have a forward who can drop back and do it well.

        Washington need Green like we needed Souray, Wiz and Streit, but he’s had terrible injury troubles.

        • habsnyc says:

          LA – that is a good point that I did not consider. But, in the case of Washington, they had an above average pp even with Green out for most of the season. Dennis Wideman for four years 3.87mil/yr is younger, better cheaper version of Kaberle.

          Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Yes of course. my argument is for redundancy at that position, not that Kabs is a good move for them.

            Something we need to ensure for our rebuild 4.0. For example, while no one seems to be in love with Weber, his flexibility is damn good insurance.

  8. TheMock780 says:

    Great, yet another PK story for TSN, Sportsnet, and CBC to blow up into nuclear proportions. All this is is Subban’s ultra-competitve personality coming out in practice where he probably treats it like a game and doesn’t go easy on his teammates after which they react.

  9. habsnyc says:

    Dandenault for assistant coach, anyone? Won a bunch of Cups, warrior on the ice, loves Montreal.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  10. Mattyleg says:

    Hey all, super busy today, but I’ve been keeping an eye on alla yous.
    (shakes head disparagingly)
    Once again, don’t get the hate-in for AK.
    Seems like someone gets an idea in their heads, and then everyone says “Yeah!!” and piles on, and forgets everything they actually know about the player.
    Recent victims, apart from AK, have been Darche, Palushaj, Weber, Diaz… actually, most of the team, come to think of it, with only a few exceptions.

    AK is a guy that contributes something every game, whether it’s hits, or passes, or shots, or points. It’s extremely rare that he doesn’t have a positive stat in the boxscore at the end of every game. Check it out for yourself, I’ve already posted them numerous times recently.

    There is a myth that he is a floater. He’s had a couple of bad games recently, but so has most of the team. He’s also been shifted around from pillar to post, and his most productive seasons were when he had constant linemates to play with. He’s big and strong, and hard to knock off the puck. We need more players like him, not fewer.

    My only concern is that because the FA market has become so ridiculous recently, we’ll have to pay him a lot to hang onto him. At which point, all fans who only see contracts instead of players will hate him regardless of what he does.

    I hope we hang on to Brother Andrei. He’s been with us all his career, and is dedicated to the Habs. People forget how much loyalty counts in a team, from management toward players, and from players toward the team. Oh, yeah, and fans toward players.

    But let’s ignore that last bit, eh? Makes it aaaawkwaaaard when you’re shoving them in front of the bus.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • TomNickle says:

      Love the opinion. But there is a reality that if Gauthier isn’t going to sign him(mistake), he should trade him.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Well of course.
        But I’d like to see him stay.
        It’s so hard to figure what the market is going to be like, though.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • LA Loyalist says:

        This is the problem with not knowing if PG is going to be the GM or non.

        PG gets this weekend to make potentially damaging moves – or good ones… it’s going to be a nail biter. And if he does nothing, well, that hurts too.

        • Bripro says:

          If PG didn’t run his office like the secret service, perhaps we’d have a better idea of what he wants to do, where he sees weaknesses, potential trades, etc.
          I’m not saying to turn into Brian Burke, but at least show some transparency.
          You’d think he was the mayor of Montreal.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      He has all the tools and on some nights looks like a top line power forward. Then he vanishes for two weeks or longer.

      If we could get a 1st round pick, even a late one, I’d personally be OK with it. We’re not making the playoffs this year and us making the playoffs next year is also a stretch unless Gauthier manages to make some changes in a very thin UFA market.

      So Kostitsyn for a 1st rounder seems like a good idea at this point.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m not so sure. We need his size now, not some youngster that is going to take 4 years to grow into his body to have an impact.

        It’s precisely because the UFA market is so thin that we need to hang on to him.

        And like I’ve said before, those games that he ‘disappears’, he is still laying on at least one hit per game that he doesn’t get a point. That’s still an impact, not a disappearing act.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Bripro says:

        I was at the Dallas game on tuesday night, and I found that only three players constantly moved out there during the game.
        DD, Bourque and AK.
        AK often plays too wide and out of the play (IMO) but he’s always trying to set himself up for a pass or anticipate where the puck is going to go.
        I’ve also noticed that he drops back when he’s supposed to, but he doesn’t dart back like Plecs. His is a slow build up to freight train speed.
        If he can be paired with a tape-to-tape passer, whether it’s Pleks or even a D with vision (I miss Markov), no question he’s dangerous.
        These are things we don’t always see on camera.

  11. Mr. Biter says:

    For everyone who wants to trade for draft choices, remember 1999 where we sent Vinnie away for a 1st 2nd and 5th picks none who had more than a cup of coffee in the NHL. My memory is not that good so go to Bleacher Report and look for Everyone’s worst deadline trades. Some good ones there. Also PK is rated the 3rd dirtiest player in the NHL (numerous slew foots) behind everyone’s favorite Broon Marchand (#2). Number 1 is Cooke.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  12. kholdstare says:

    Any word on Markov today?

  13. Captain aHab says:

    I think all of these trade rumours that seem to come out of nowhere are probably generated by TSN and RDS to generate interest in their mind-numbingly boring trade deadline shows.

    —————-
    McGuire for GM!
    Roy for Coach!
    Sh*t for Brains!

    • habsnyc says:

      I think a good part of them are generated on sites like these. You would be surprised how often TSN used to rip off stuff from hockey blogs or user contributed sites. There are almost no Canadian reporters whose calls are taken by GM’s of American teams. Anything you hear about what an American NHL team might do comes either from (1) the NHL office in Toronto (rarely) (2) a certain talkative Canadian GM who gives partial truths to reporters.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  14. The Cat says:

    The headline on RDS is AK saying he wants to stay in Montreal…I have to wonder why he’d want that.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  15. Benoitr says:

    I remember the 76 New Year’s Eve game as the best I ever saw, but take a look at it now. It’s not very good at all. The hockey today is way better, way more skilled. Although back then the Habs were the best by a long shot…

    • 123456 says:

      i am too young to remember games back to the 70s, but when was the last time you saw an end to end rush of hte puck result in a goal or even a great scoring chance? dump, change, chase…. dump, change, chase…. DCC, DCC, DCC. i think hockey today is less attractive than it once was

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Indeed. I was not born yet, but I recently debated what the best team of all time was.

      One guy said the 80’s Oilers and I said 70’s Canadiens.

      He strongly disagreed (and I mean yelling).

      I produced the rosters from each team and after browsing them over, he declared I was indeed correct.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Everything is in context though, the way I see it, hockey then was about the passing, the shooting and just overall teamwork. For me I can still watch those games and enjoy. But you are correct the speed today is superior, the skill is also, but all sports today are like that. For me the 70’s could be the greatest decade in all of sport. Perhaps, it is because that was the dawn of real sports on TV.

    • habsnyc says:

      It is hard to compare any sport from the 70’s to this decade. players are much bigger and wear different equipment. while I cannot prove it, I believe that coaches micro manage each game in a way they could not in the 70’s. That does not take anything away from the enjoyment fans had in the 70’s or have today.

      Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

  16. mdp2011 says:

    just noticed this tweet from a Radio Canada journalist, not sure how reliable this guy is, but he is saying that Geoffrion was aboard the Habs bus to the airport and that his call up is imminent.

    michel chabot @MChabotRC
    Blake Geoffrion a pris place dans l’autobus du #ch, à destination de l’aéroport. Son rappel devrait être confirmé plus tard.

  17. Stev.R says:

    What do you guys think of Jiri Hudler?

    If we trade Kostitsyn, we could maybe sign him to sure up our top 6?

  18. aj says:

    Watched the small exchange between DD and PK: http://www.rds.ca/canadien/. It wasn’t as big like what PK and Plecks did. However, #76 is becoming a well known agitator between his teammates and in the NHL.

    I think Subban has to tone down a bit this attitude of his. Also, its becoming clear that the next two bullies who are now having a reputation for becoming assholes in the league like Horton and Lucic are Brad Marchand and PK Subban.

    • Stev.R says:

      This is something that happens so often on so many teams. It happens a couple times a year in Montreal, but it gets made out to be a much bigger issue than it is. This is the second time this year DD has been a part of something like this but nobody is jumping down his throat.

    • Malreg says:

      He already has toned it down a lot in games. There is a lot less scrums after the whistle, and a lot less chatter than there used to be with PK.

  19. HabsFan82 says:

    Pleks and AK are the only two players that would bring us anything worth while in a trade. do we want to get rid of them. only for something better in return not for a new face.
    I say Pleks, AK and a 2nd round pick for Rick Nash.

    • 123456 says:

      not sure nashville would take that.

      AK i can live without but pleks is a keeper. I do think that with the right coach Ak would be a very good player. We all know he has it in him… it’s just not brought out very often.

      • vanejorg says:

        You’re right…..Nashville CANNOT take that deal. That’s because Nash plays for Columbus. Maybe Nashville could send them a card board cut out of Rick Nash, and attempt to fleece Montreal.

    • Bripro says:

      Scott Howson is insisting on including a goaltender in the trade. And he wants more than any rational GM is willing to give up.
      That means PG might trade away the store.

      • vanejorg says:

        Make it Price, Kostitsyn, and Gallagher, for Nash and Steve Mason then. Les Canadiens will take on the big contract(which they can handle). Columbus should be very happy with unloading such a dastardly thing which they commissioned themselves, not knowing if they were ever going to be able to pay for it. This would be more than enough going to Columbus, given that contract.

    • Malreg says:

      Columbus asked Philly for Van Riemsdyk, one of Schenn or Couturier, Bobrovsky, and a 1st round pick.

      Do you really think they’ll take Plekanec, AK46 who has barely any value, and a 2nd round pick?

      • vanejorg says:

        How is this better than starting the conversation using Price’s name with Columbus? Throw in Kostitsyn, and Gallagher, and the deal should be done. Remember, most GM’s are still believing(we who have seen the great Canadiens teams, and goaltenders of the past know it is absolutely not true) that Price is the greatest goaltender(by the way Ken Dryden, who actually was one of the all time greatest goaltenders, already had 3 Stanley Cups by the time he was 25.) Those that are logical, know that this would be a good fleecing point to start with. Channel Sam Pollock, make the other team believe that what they are doing is right.

    • aj says:

      For a $7.8 Million/yr player like Rick Nash, hmmm? No! Too much weight for that salary and it won’t be worth it if we need to sign other UFA’s, RFA’s, trades or prospects.

    • vanejorg says:

      To quote the Joker…..Now you’re talking!…..a 5’8″ squirt, and a guy who won’t win the Stanley Cup for anybody, unless he happens to be on the team by chance, for a bonafide, 6’4″ 220 lbs, stalwart, who skates like the wind, and moves the puck even faster.

      • Malreg says:

        Who’s the 5″8 squirt? He said Plekanec, not Desharnais.

        • vanejorg says:

          Plekanec is. Most of these short guys are listed on the roster with their height in skates. HA HA HA HA HA HA. Plekanec IS NOT 5’11”.
          Gionta, Desharnais, and Gallagher are actually 5’4″…..a good height if one is 12 years old, but not good enough to play with men in the NHL.
          Would you let your 12 year old play in the NHL? Of course not. I think it’s time for the players listed above to be called in by their mothers.

    • Grallis says:

      Plus Nash has a No Trade, & our beloved Habs are not one of the teams that he will wave it for.
      I say trade our UFA’s for what we can get, then wait to see what happens with the CBA; and go from there.

      And on the 8th day the Lord said…..let there be the Canadiens

      • vanejorg says:

        I would check on this. I don’t know this for a fact, but I believe that the Columbus Dispatch reported that Montreal was indeed on that list of 10 teams(first it was five and then it was expanded).

  20. HabFanSince72 says:

    Rumour (not from Eklund) is there is some interest in AK46, and also in Mathieu Darche.

    Darche might go to Vancouver.

    Darche, Lappy and Higgins winning the cup would cheer me up a bit.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  21. mdp2011 says:

    wow, what the heck is going on around here? I leave to do some actual work and all heck breaks loose?

    • Bripro says:

      Well, in my own defence, I was up all night preparing my company budgets, and it’s our year end.
      So being a little light-headed (my wife would argue that it’s my natural condition), I tried to lighten the load a little, but a few yahoos insist on being confrontational.
      I’m usually on the outside reading in, but not this time.
      It’s better than focusing on our under-achievers.

  22. chilli says:

    One thing to make us feel better about the state of the Habs….we could be the Capitals. Bizarrely, they are in worse shape than us considering they have one hell of a lineup on paper.

    They stink.

    Tre

  23. sane hockey fan says:

    This place is going downhill fast.

  24. Bripro says:

    I would love to apply for the GM job, come June when PG’s toast.
    I really would.
    My first objective would be to conduct a HIO poll:
    1) Who do you consider un-tradeable?
    2) Who would you like to see earn more ice time?
    3) Who would you like me to trade away?
    4) Who should earn long-term (maximum 4 years) contracts?
    5) When I’m pissed off after a game, if I lock the door and refuse to abide by Buttman’s rules and keep the door locked to reporters, will you care?
    6) Do you feel that the fans should vote for the 3 stars?
    7) Would you like me to buy out Gomez’s contract? Anyone else?
    8 ) I have $20MM in available cap space. Who would you like to see signed over the summer?
    9) Would you like to see cheerleaders in the stands?
    10) I’m fluently bilingual. Do you care?
    11) Who would like me to fire Youppi?
    12) Do you like me?
    13) Do you care?
    14) Would you like my job?
    15) Does anyone have any extra-strength Advil (legal) or ____ (illegal)?
    16) Am I missing anything?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      17) Will you let your buddies from HIO come hang out at the Bell Center and drink free beer with you?

    • Danno says:

      9 – If you form a partnership with Chez Parée nightclub to provide the cheerleaders you will have no problem selling out for every game.

      ________________________________________

      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      You’d like his job? I doubt it. You won’t possibly do anything right and you will inherit several thousand critics who will not hesitate to tell you how stupid you are if one of your predecessor’s signings turns out to be an untradeable bust or even if one of your players gets the flu and can’t practice. After all, they’ve all played for and managed NHL hockey teams on EA Sports.

    • shiram says:

      1. Gomez
      2.Eller
      3.Gomez
      4. Pk, Pac, Price
      5.no
      6.no
      7.Rather he be in Hamilton really.
      8.bunch a crappy free agent this summer… no one really pops out
      9.There already are some in the Molson zone.
      10.no
      11.no, team paid good money to get him, can’t have him walk for nothing.
      12.i don’t really know you that way
      13.about some stuff, sure.
      14.no
      15.yes
      16.bacon

    • mattyboom says:

      i hope you’re kidding about the gm job, and if not, i hope you’re joking about considering HIO polls to influence your decisions

      • Bripro says:

        Well, according to some posters here (past and present), this site is the most accurate and up-to-date in terms of anything hockey related, so why not?
        You might as well cater to the specific demographic.

  25. habs17 says:

    Kostitsyn may not be worth trading, if u can only get a 4th rnder for him

    President of the Scott Gomez Fan Club

    (I support Scott Gomez)

  26. 44har48 says:

    We need to trade every impending UFA we have on this team at the deadline and get whatever we can by whoever is willing to give it. If we truly wanted these guys, we should have been activley trying to extend their deals before now.

    As for getting Webber, Nash, I even saw Ovechkin down below, we are dreaming. We would have to gut this team of any talent it has and mortgage the future to get any one of those guys, which alone, can’t do anymore here than they are there.

    My 2 cents on Price and Subban. They are not going anywhere and we need to support them. I am very high on Price and think he will eventually (sigh) be the real deal he has been at every other level he has ever played at including AHL. PK needs work on his hockey maturity I’ll call it and we will suffer thorough his growing pains for a while. There is a reason this guy with all this talent was a 2nd round draft pick and not on the front end of that round either (I think 43rd or so overall).

  27. Stev.R says:

    Two douches on sportsnet say Tor should trade Kessel or two first for Nash. They also think they should “just go get” Roloson or Turco, but they don’t want Khabbibulin.

  28. Boomer says:

    Remeber that one anonymous GM that said he would take PK in a heartbeat?…. Whats he offering?

  29. King of Bonshaw says:

    I really don’t understand the desire to fill this team up with Russians. It is a crap shoot with these guys. The word enigma is the first thing that comes to mind. For every Datsyuk or Malkin there is a bus load of underachieving butterfly chasers. Haven’t we had enough with Kovalev and Malakhov.

    Of the last 7 Cup winning teams only 2 had Russians playing a predominant role. They were the exception not the rule. So I say no to Nail, Grigor and Radulov.

    • shiram says:

      Funny because Russians account for about 3% of players in the NHL.

    • Bripro says:

      Having the chance, would you pass on Malkin?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      I think Montrealers were the first to recognize and appreciate the genius of Russian hockey in 1972. Tretiak, Kharlamov, Yakushev, etc … took our breath away.

      I’m still very happy for Kovalev’s years in Montreal.

      And the best player we’ve had in the last 7-8 years is a Russian.

      So I say no to King of Bigots.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Wow, what is today “Slaughter a Russian day?”

      Ridiculous comments flying here. I thought the dueling banjo’s below about Attendance was as rough as things would get, but I see we have figured out there is this country called Russia full of racists and quitters that should be picked on.

      Did you watch any of the 72 series, or perhaps Russia vs. Montreal, or perhaps more recently when in a Jr. World Championship they defeated Canada after being down by 3-4 goals.

      Every country has its good and bad, enough with the stereotypes.

      EDIT: Please go tell Alexei Emelin, why he should no longer be on our team, and please tell me when you do, I can’t wait to watch.

      • kholdstare says:

        I’m not sure what the hell the 72 series has to do with anything? Is this when people became aware of Russia? Ignorance is a terrible thing but defending it with ignorance is even more ridiculous. King of whatever is plain and simply ignorant. Bringing up hockey tournaments to support that is pointless. Saying montrealers are superior because they saw the 72 series is also ridiculous.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Huh? I am talking about how great of hockey Russia has produced for over 40 years now. That was a great great hockey team, as were all the teams of the 70’s.

          I am defending the fact that Russia aside from Canada produces the top hockey players in the world.

          Perhaps, my initial statement was poorly worded, my point is Russia is a great hockey country.

          • Bripro says:

            It wasn’t poorly worded, Gerry. It was poorly read.
            He’s probably too young to have seen the New Year’s Eve match between the Russians and the Habs. The greatest game I’ve ever seen.
            “Cannot compute.”

          • kholdstare says:

            Or maybe my history wasnt fed to me by CBC in between periods of a hockey game where undue importance is placed on a hockey tournament albeit a great one.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Not because they saw the 72 series – because they realized the Russians played some beautiful hockey.

          Most of the Canadian hockey establishment just wanted to break their ankles.


          Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • kholdstare says:

            I’m saying I think everyone knew even before that series the Russians played amazing hockey, thats why they created the tournament. Montreal has little to do with that, it even seems like a bit of (toronto is the middle of the universe) thing to say.

            Russians. Are an amazing people. Im just saying call the guy an idiot if thats what you are thinking you dont need to prove to anyone he is, he is doing a fine job of it on his own.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Well being from Wpg. I wasn’t trying to say anything about Montreal, just those were my first and fondest recollections of watching how Russians played hockey. 72, the Hab/Red Army game, kind of was my baptism into hockey actually.

        • Bripro says:

          @kholdstare.
          You should lighten up on the artificial stimuli.
          HB was referring to the excellence of Russian players in ’72;
          an era when we Canadians thought we were the only ones who knew how to play our game. They showed us a thing or two.
          Commenting on ill-perceived ignorance is not exactly astute.
          And please show me where he mentions or implies that we Montrealers are superior.

          • kholdstare says:

            “I think Montrealers were the first to recognize and appreciate the genius of Russian hockey in 1972. Tretiak, Kharlamov, Yakushev, etc … took our breath away.”

            That good enough?

          • Bripro says:

            Well for one thing, that was ’72 who posted that, not HB.
            Second, as I stated, that series was an eye-opener for most of us, because we thought (at that time) that we were the centre of the hockey universe.
            Is THAT good enough?

          • kholdstare says:

            Sure, you just implied your ignorance. Thanks

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            Khold – I stand by what I wrote.

            I never said anything about being superior – I said that we have great affection for Russian hockey (just ask Vladislav Tretiak), which started in 1972. Tretiak and Kharlamov in particular were idolized in Montreal.

            This was in reply to King Of – saying we shouldn’t have Russians on the Habs.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • kholdstare says:

            I know what you were saying, and ok I get it, I just said call him an idiot, Russia is a great country with great people. People like King of dont need reasons as to why they are an idiot. When they say terrible things like that, just call them on it. Bripro for some reason jumped in and made it stupid. Nothing against you guys. I just couldnt understand why you guys were looking for reasons to his idiocy.

    • citizenSanto says:

      I guess Bonshaw (and Anti JM below) would like a team that looked more like this >>

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      Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are. — Augustine of Hippo

  30. Bripro says:

    So poor Hamrlik is peeved for being benched because of a penalty.
    His response: “when he (Dale Hunter) played I think he made lots of penalties himself. He should know better.”

  31. NCRhabsfan says:

    Does anybody remember those idyllic days of fall when everyone predicted Scott Gomez could not possibly have a worse year this year than last? He had a new attitude, new commitment to fitness, had re-thought his game? Hee, hee, hee.

    So now we know, it can get worse! Makes you wonder if he can log 20 minutes a game next year and manage not to score a single point.

  32. LA Loyalist says:

    Read it and weep. I am frinking speechless, in both official languages.

    sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/darren_eliot/02/23/montreal.canadiens.rebuilding/index.html?xid=cnnbin

    • ZepFan2 says:

      You have to hit bottom first before changes happen.

      ———————————————————————-
      Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

    • Bripro says:

      There were some positives to take from his analysis.
      I’d say he’s bang on. Thanks for the link.
      Next time, don’t post a link that included the Celtics’ Dancers.
      It’s too distracting!

    • JF says:

      It’s actually a very good piece and offers hope that the rebuild, if handled properly, need not take too long.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Why are you speechless – it’s a fairly benign piece. Essentially he says this season is a bust but the team has prospects going forward.

      Nothing really controversial.

      True, saying the organization is in “complete disarray” is hyperbole.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  33. twilighthours says:

    As for Andrei Kostitsyn, and those who trumpet that he is being undone by his coach: which coach?

    The only coach who understood Andrei was Guy Carbonneau… and that was suspiciously during the best season that Habs have had in the last 20 years or so. Was it that Carbo understood him, or was it that Kovalev went on a tear and took the team with him?

    I love it when people accuse the coach of mis-coaching him. I’d love to see you yahoos coach him – you’d be throwing sticks on the ice in frustrated disgust after 2 games.

    For a guy who averages about 1 goal every 4 games, as AK does, he sure does go thru some dry spells, doesn’t he? What’s the latest slump – 9 games without a point?

    Streaky scorer, mediocre player. Kind of epitomizes these Habs: might be good if the stars aligned.

    I won’t be sad to see AK go. Not at all. Getting a 1st rounder for him will be a miracle.

    • Le Jadester says:

      When was the last time we even had a good coach ?

      Habs, OLE !

    • smiler2729 says:

      Yeah, Kovalev propped up Kostitsyn and Plekanec while they were a trio.

      Totally perfect for one another, defenders were so pre-occupied with AK27 (long time since I’ve written that! – good ol’ HABS Inside/Out days, eh!) that Pleks and AK46 had the space to dance and they rocked…

      Such were the dynamics of having Alexei Kovalev on a team…

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Well, the logic of that is we need a Kovalev type player (one of Gainey’s great moves) to recreate that dynamic. And a wise GM would freaking understand that.

        Of course the execution of it is difficult, but we have to start somewhere.

      • Strummer says:

        I miss Kovy.
        That line with Pleks and AK rocked!
        2008 was our best chance to go all the way in recent memory.
        We won the east and finished No. 1 in goals for.
        Then BG bungles the goaltending.

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
        -Dennis Miller

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Yeah, thanks for the fact check. There has been a lot of revisionism around here about goal-tending.

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            The goalie we traded lost to the same team as price, only one round sooner.

            “Andrei Kostitsyn will be traded this month”
            – Sean Bonjovi

  34. twilighthours says:

    What’s the deal with Stu Cowan? Why is he writing about Gomez’ goal totals vs Eller’s or Leblanc’s? Doesn’t he know it’s all about Fenwick or Corsi? And when it comes to those measurements, my friends, Gomez is off the charts.

    I can’t wait until someone starts a league where the winner of the game just has to direct more shots at goal than the other team.

  35. Timo says:

    I have a feeling that Habs won’t make any moves before or on trade deadline. We’ll be stuck with the same deadbeats come summer time as we now.

  36. shipster30 says:

    Has anybody thought of Alexander Radulov as a Hab next year?
    Dmitry Chesnokov is reporting that he will be coming back to the NHL in the Summer. I don’t know if his rights still belong to the Predators or not but he’ll probably be hungry to prove himself and not float at least for the first season (as Jagr has proven). He also has a connection with Patrick Roy and might enjoy coming back to play for him if Roy becomes the next coach of this team. If he’s a free agent then we wouldn’t have to give up any assets for him. Also, any off-season moves by this team in the offseason will be minimal. Parise is the biggest free agent and if the habs don’t get him then the next big names are all in their 30s and are 3rd-4th line guys that you will be overpaying for their services. This year’s free agent class may be the worst in years with most names signed to long-term deals. If Radulov is available you can get a top 6 sniper without having to part with anything and he would probably be one of the top free agents this season anyways if available. If Markov comes back healthy and the habs draft either Yakubov or that other big Russian center with a top5 pick then suddenly you have some Russian players who will feel comfortable here and want to play with their countrymen.

  37. Malreg says:

    Blake Geoffrion has 7 points in his first 3 games in Hamilton.

    He had just 9 points in his first 20 games with Nashville’s AHL team.

  38. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Could AK and something to sweeten the pot (Weber?) get the LA Kings (in need of scoring) to give us Bernier. Or am I way off Bernier’s worth? At the risk of ridicule, the rest of my daydream is to turn around and use Bernier, Gomez or Kaberle and a prospect to Columbus for the 1st round pick.

  39. shiram says:

    AK, again saying he wants to stay in MTl.

    http://www.rds.ca/canadien/chroniques/335765.html
    french stuff so…
    “I don’t want to go to Nashville, I wanna stay here”

    DD comments on the titl with Subban :
    “at least he is as intense with opposing teams”

    Subban knocked DD over in practice, DD retaliated with a cross-check.

    • 24moreCups says:

      Maybe he should play like he wants to stay here because he’s certainly playing himself off of the team(if he hasn’t already).

    • 24moreCups says:

      Double post.

    • Bripro says:

      Look at all the mikes in his face! Ridiculous. How can someone stay composed when they dance around the point they’re trying to make?
      Out with it, already! Just ask what you want to ask! Then get the *** out of my face! If I were him, the dressing room would be cleared out pretty darn fast.
      He’s a beast. Put a black mask on him and he could pass for Darth Vader.
      On a serious note, now that’s he’s had a heart-to-heart with RC, maybe he’ll get more ice time and get his touch back. You know, the touch we’ve all seen on (rare) occasions.
      In an ideal Habs world, he’d stay, play lights-out every game, and score 50 goals. But that means playing with heart, and more than 6 minutes per game.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Well it will be interesting. I would not pay almost 5 mill for a player who isn’t going to get 20 goals this year. I am for keeping AK but not an some crazy price. For that cash he needs to put up a better effort night in and night out. That is Gionta cash

  40. Chuck says:

    Hypothetically, should Ovechkin wear out his welcome in Washington and a trade be a possible option, what kind of package do you think that the Habs would have to put together to pry him away from the Caps?

    • I’m going with Pacioretty and the Canadiens next three first round picks.

      They Call Me Shane

    • kholdstare says:

      Yes thats exactly what we need, someone who gives up when things arent going his way.

      I will never forget Ovechkin’s behaviour with 10 minutes left in the world junior gold medal game when he was a baby and quit. He did it this year at the all star game and now he is doing it to the caps.

      • We aren’t talking about his attitude, we are talking about what it would take to get him here.

        They Call Me Shane

        • kholdstare says:

          Oh sorry that makes much more sense. Who needs the why right?

          Since there is no reasoning why dont we start a post on what it take to get 1980’s wayne gretzky. It will need to involve a Delorean with a flux capacitor.

          Relax sorry for bringing another aspect into it.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Chuck asked a hypothetical question. He’s asking what do you think we’d need to trade for Ovie. You kind of went off on a tangent, and when you’re reminded of the original question you get all huffy. C’mon man, if you want to discuss whether Alex Ovechkin would be a good fit on the Canadiens, fine, just maybe start a new thread.

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            How about it NHL? No fighting, just hockey?

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • boonie says:

      Gotta think that Washington would ask for a package similar to Howson’s demands for Nash. Similar age. Nash is more of a leader, but Ovi can offer that “it” quality that even a Nash lacks (IMO).

      If that’s a fair assessment, then the Caps would expect a young roster player (DD or Eller — not Pacioretty), a couple of prospects (let’s say Bournival and one of our non-NHL D prospects, because, who are we kidding, no one want Weber or Diaz) and a first. If you upgrade our D prospect to a former first rounder like Tinordi or Belieau, you could downgrade the first to a second and maybe get the Caps to throw in a prospect.

      And, if that’s the going rate for Ovi, I’d pass.

      “Scoop of chocolate, scoop of vanilla.”

  41. Ian Cobb says:

    For Montreal to get a shot in the draw for a 1st over all draft pick. We will have to stay 4th from the bottom of the league in points.

    Team——–Points. Last 6 teams in the league, out of 30.
    Buffalo——59
    NYI———-58
    Montreal—58
    Carolina—-57
    Edmonton-52
    Columbus-43

    • Habsman1970 says:

      Now there is something I think we can actually WIN!! :)

      ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

    • SmartDog says:

      There’s no way we reach Columbus – they’re out of this world horrible. But we can kick Carolina’s and Edmonton’s ass at sucking if we try.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Habsman1970 says:

        I don’t think we need to try to hard to accomplish that…LOL

        ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

      • HardHabits says:

        Columbus are not as bad as their division is strong. The 4 other teams are all in the play-offs and all have placed in the top 5 over-all at some point in the season. They are all in the top 10 (Chicago is the worse team in that division at 10th over-all).

        Don’t kid yourselves. If the Habs were in the Central they’d be looking at a #1 pick by now too.

        • boonie says:

          HH is right. When a mediocre team like loses wiz and Carter for stretches they will look pathetic. With those two for the full year and in a lousy division, the jackets would have mid 50 points and flirting with the idea of making the playoffs.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        We should loan Price to Edmonton for the remaining games…. If that team had a goalie they would win way more than they lose.

    • kholdstare says:

      We are going to get a good draft pick, thats a given, but I dont understand why everyone here thinks that will change anything? We got carey Price at 5 and he is a great goalie, but he is only one man. To me it seems an easy out for a fan to say lets do bad and we will get a good draft pick. Instead of admitting they need some sort of consistency. They have proven at times this season they can compete, but the next game it appears that fight is gone. So I am not sure what some 18 year old boy will do to improve that.

      • Habsman1970 says:

        No, it’s not one draft pick which will change us, it’s multiple draft picks which will do it, but we need to start somewhere as trading for players has just sunk us deeper down the standings.

        ONCE A HAB, FOREVER A HAB!!!

    • boonie says:

      Gather ye rosebuds while ye may… Columbus is under reach. Catching Edmonton could be tough. We have to make sure we don’t lose (gain) ground on the Sabres, Isles and Canes.

  42. HabFanSince72 says:

    From the Nashville newspaper sports section:

    http://www.tennessean.com/section/SPORTS

    Scrolling down we get:

    1. Vanderbilt college hoops
    2. Titans draft (season starts in 6 months).
    3. More Vandy hoops.
    4. U of Tennesee basketball.
    5. Nascar
    6. High School Basketball
    7. Predators

    By the way – not having crazy fans like we do is not a bad thing …

    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  43. Blast From The Past

    Need a break, and my brain is tired.

    If I design another label I’m gonna puke.

    Anything new going on?

    Ahhhhhh No. :lol:

    They Call Me Shane

  44. shiram says:

    J-F Chaumont @JFChaumont
    #Habs: Kostitsyn au sujet de Subban et de ses altercations: “Chaque fois, on parle de gars différents, mais chaque fois, c’est P.K.”.

    Let the wild speculation begin!

  45. boonie says:

    “Insiders”… pfft.

    They create so called rumors out of trade scenarios that pop into their imaginations, complete with detailed justifications. But, a full day following the Vermette deal and days (pl) after the Avs/Lightning/Wings “real hockey” deal, not one of TSN’s Dreggers (note, I am not trashing McKenzie) has a comment or analysis posted on the site. Just a proforma listing of the moving parts and perfunctory snip-its of the press release by the clubs.

    I remember being in Toronto when we traded Mark Napier and others for Bobby Smith. Admittedly, that was a much, much bigger deal. The Toronto Star gave the story the entire front sports page with half a page of detailed analysis below the fold (wowsers, is that rapidly becoming an antiquated term)…

    Fortunately, posters on HIO and other useful places offer keen insights, rationale and analysis. No, really. It’s the first place I look after any major news for a real reaction to the event.

    thanks folks.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Bobby Smith HAD been #1 draft pick and Rookie of the Year though.
      It’s my favourite trivia question:
      Who won the Calder Trophy in Wayne Gretzky’s first year in the NHL?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • boonie says:

        Smith for Napier (who was a legit scorer in his own right) was a HUGE deal that day and nowhere near a deadline (if I recall, but I have no idea what the date was).

        Yeah that was before 24-hour sports networks, TSN didn’t exist and Gore hadn’t commercialized the Internet. But, you’d think one of Canada’s largest sports outlets would want to use some of their resources on analysis rather than speculation.

        PS – I guess that’s why we’ve been clamoring for a big centre for the better part of two decades… We always had one or traded for one. Vinnie D, Turgeon, …

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah.
          Back in the days when we were one of only a few teams that actually understood how hockey worked.
          Now it seems like EVERYONE knows how hockey works.
          Except the people in charge, if this forum is to be believed…

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • boonie says:

        We now interrupt your practice discussion for some random reminiscing about that Smith team… I never felt like we’d let in a goal when Rick Green was on the ice. Sure, he could get caught up ice at the top of our faceoff circle. But, down low, the guy was a monster.

        I suppose our current iterations of Smith and Green are DD (Eller in body type, DD for being our number one center) and Gorges… man, we were a lot bigger then.

        Sorry, back to your scheduled program.

    • kholdstare says:

      They need to get paid I guess, I shudder to think what they make. They remind me of that guy in wrestling that provided the information for the drama. Gene Okerlund. Mean Gene.

    • Strummer says:

      Wasn’t it Napier and Keith Acton for Smitty?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”
      -Dennis Miller

  46. habs001 says:

    We would have one of the best d if we were playing in an european league….imagine our d playing in a physical playoff series…

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    Any chance DD and PK were just practising for an impending fight against Mr. Semin?

  48. Stop the madness! No more practices!

  49. aj says:

    http://www.985sports.ca/hockey/nouvelles/le-canadien-pret-a-offrir-kostitsyn-pour-les-droit-126697.html

    AK for rights to aqcuire Radulov, maybe? As long as he doesn’t hit his coaches with a stick here in Montreal:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQ56Dp0iB0

    • shiram says:

      Not gonna happen for AK only.
      Preds want Radulov.

      • aj says:

        Well probably AK with a 2nd round or AK + Campoli with a 2nd round for Radulov and a 1st or 2nd round pick.

        But then, Habs don’t want to get a player with a temper tantrum issue I suppose.

        • shiram says:

          Not if you go by what Pred fans are saying.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            There are no Pred fans.


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Carrie Underwood and Miley Cyrus don’t count?

          • HabsFanInNashville says:

            HabFanSince72 –

            Pretty ignorant comment, old-timer. Perhaps you should check the attendance numbers before making such sweeping generalizations, particularly when they’re untrue.

          • kholdstare says:

            I think he means there are no actual preds fans much like how U2 has no fans yet they sell out concerts. Its a bit of paradox I know, but I think people kind of just go to the games because its there…pretty much like U2 concerts.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            A good friend of mine lives in Nashville. He’s a big hockey fan – grew up in Ann Arbor and supports the Wings.

            He invited me down to Nashville once in the month of March and I said hey can we go see a game. He said – nah the season doesn’t start until September. I said huh? And he said oh I thought you wanted to see a Titans’ game.

            Also – oldtimer? I’m 39!


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

          • HabsFanInNashville says:

            That’s an equally ignorant comment….yes, Nashvillians only go to hockey games because there’s nothing else to do in this town…we have no other sports/entertainment options. If it wasn’t for the Predators, most of us would just sit at home and play jug band music and dance around barefoot. But thankfully the Preds are here, so we can all go downtown and marvel at the ice, despite having no idea what is going on.

            Sigh.

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            That’s not what he said.

            He said people go because it’s there.

            Are you seriously arguing that hockey is at all relevant to Tennessee sports fans?


            Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I know nothing about the rumour, but what makes everyone so sure Radulov wants to play for the Preds? I did hear the thing about how he does have a Skoda there, but it wasn’t exactly an amicable relationship when he left.

    • Bripro says:

      Dreger was saying that Radulov is the highest paid player in hockey. Period. More than Ovi, more than Crosby.
      The KHL don’t want to lose him and he’s leading the great life in Russia, so I don’t think it’s a good idea to trade away a 25 goal/yr man just for the rights to negotiate for a player who doesn’t want to come here.

      • kholdstare says:

        Quit making sense.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Great life?

        He’s playing in the town of Ufa.

        Google it.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

        • Bripro says:

          I know. I could play for Point Saint Charles. It doesn’t mean I have to live there!

          Listen to Dreger. He’s the second link (with Ribeiro’s picture on it), near the very end of the discussion.
          http://www.tsn.ca/montreal/

          • ZepFan2 says:

            What’s wrong with living in the Point?

            ———————————————————————-
            Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

          • Bripro says:

            I knew that would offend someone.
            I lived there…honestly. I have no problems with it.
            Metro’s very central, and it’s very convenient.
            So instead, let’s say…
            …Ethiopia, Estonia, Kamchatka… (enter dumpy city of choice here)

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Haha

            I’m not offended. I’m born and raised in the Point.

            ———————————————————————-
            Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

          • 24moreCups says:

            Verdun’s the place to be!

          • Bripro says:

            Zep, you have to admit, the face of the point has changed a lot in 20 years.

          • ZepFan2 says:

            Oh yeah, it’s really changed. There are more yuppies buying up prime real estate (location, location…) and renovating the crap out of them, then flipping them or renting them out for up to triple the rent.

            ———————————————————————-
            Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

          • ZepFan2 says:

            “Verdun’s the place to be!”

            Meh, Verdump’s alright. Too many coppers for my liking. Besides, it’s still walking distance from my place.

            ———————————————————————-
            Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

        • LA Loyalist says:

          There’s a town named after the acronym for “Unrestricted Free Agent” ?

          Man, those guys are hardcore.

  50. Say Ash says:

    Congrats to Emelin! I pity the guys that try to date his daughters one day.

  51. sanman_11 says:

    For you folks that live in Montreal,

    Do you think HABS tickets will be available at a much more reasonable price (not double the face value) WHEN the HABS are either officially or basically out? I might want to make a trip. I know, I shouldn’t support Molson and a team that doesn’t make the playoffs but what can I say I love the HABS.

    I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

  52. Bripro says:

    Darren Dreger was on TSN 990 this morning talking with Mitch Melnick, and was saying that there is ZERO interest in AK around the league.
    Nada, zip, ziltch!
    I guess his lackadaisical performances are starting to catch up to him.
    And it appears that we’re probably stuck with Campoli and Kaberle.
    If that’s the case, and Gomez doesn’t go anywhere, I don’t see G. Molson burying them all in Hamilton next year.
    So far, next year’s about as promising as making the playoffs this year.

    • shiram says:

      Meh what does he know?

      • kholdstare says:

        Darren Dreger knows nothing about anything other than making a career out of seeming legitimacy. He has a blackberry, and he text messages his “friends” and pretends he is an nhl insider.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          You sure you aren’t talking about Kypreos? Agree all these guys are the same now.

          • kholdstare says:

            Lol as I was writing it I thought about kypreos, that is what has become of these “reporters” it is truly becoming a form of male soap opera and I find it annoying. TSN has a daily rumour roundup, it is ridiculous.

    • Mike D says:

      Campoli was only signed to a 1 year deal so he’s officially off the team no later than July 1st….unless of course he gets offered another contract which I supremely doubt.

      – Honestly yours

    • anotherhab says:

      Maybe we can sign him on the cheap! Please keep him away from Gomez — play him with Eller and Moen or White.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Of course no one is interested?

      What does he bring that a contender is looking for?


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • smiler2729 says:

      Dreger’s a Leaf creep

      __________________________________
      Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

    • Forum Dog says:

      Wouldn’t surprise me if Dreger was right on this. AK hasn’t really scored, isn’t all that reliable defensively, isn’t a heart-and-soul type player, isn’t always engaged physically, etc.

      Honestly, Kostitsyn has to take responsibility for his apparent lack of effort, but I also believe that his skillset is not utilized properly. He has pretty much intimated the same in some of the few interviews he does.

      – He’s asked to chip and chase whe he is a natural puck carrier.
      – He’s forced to park himself in front of the net, yet his shot from 10-15 feet out is one of the best in the league.
      – He plays mostly on the left side, yet his one-timer and puckhandling are most effective on the right side (especially on the PP, which he rarely gets).

      I am not trying make excuses for him, but in order to succeed you need to be put in a position to do so. A natural scorer should be paired with players who can help him do it, and he needs the ice necessary to figure things out. I dunno, he makes you pull your hair out as a fan, but I’d like to see what he could do if he was unleashed a bit and made the focus of a line rather than restricted to grunt work. He and Eller alike.

  53. smiler2729 says:

    Jeff Carter would love Montreal… all those party spots, beautiful women, fame, yeah, just what we need.

    __________________________________
    Jack Edwards is a clam, Bruins are pukes.

  54. Chorske says:

    Minor scuffle: DD and Subban

    This effing team has THIRTEEN fighting majors on the season. Tied for dead last. Not a fan of fighting, but if one is going to fight, it should be with, you know, the OTHER team, no?

  55. durocher says:

    Hammer was a healthy scratch in Washington, and may be available. Would you bring him back and sign him to be a 5-6 defenseman for next season?

    Personally, I’d rather have Hammer any day over Campoli, Diaz, and Weber.

  56. anotherhab says:

    Thinking about Temper a mental Radulov. Quite the Whack-job!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=JLkOLptnPAI

    • Talik Sanis says:

      It’s evident that hitting the coach was an accident; he was trying to bang the glass to silence a heckler, so the story goes. He apologized to the coach (you can tell from his hand gesture) and then slumped down, rocking nervously. It looked like he was rather embarrassed.

      Also, I’ll take passionately off his rocker over lazy, jaded and blasé.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      We should hire the coach. That dude is hard.


      Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  57. adamkennelly says:

    MTL is great place to play if things are going well but sucks terribly if they are not, which has been this entire season…the players are fed up – most of em prolly want out, at this stage they are prolly begging to be traded to Columbus (even tho there is no way we are going after Carter)

    • kholdstare says:

      Yup no doubt about it everyone is definitely begging to be traded to Columbus. It’s in Ohio, who wouldnt want to be traded to Ohio.

    • sanman_11 says:

      have you been to Columbus? It’s armpit country. There is not even a ‘nice’ part that you can drive to like Detroit’s suberbs. It’s just plain crap. I’m quite sure both Canadian and European hockey players would enjoy a cosmopolitan city like Montreal over Columbus. One thing to keep in mind, your family has to live there too. Someone would have to pay me a ridiculus amount of money and put me up in a baller house (for free cause I’m not investing in Columbus!) for me to go there. We know hockey players are cheap…

      I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Columbus has all those Ohio State undergraduates who like to party. Carter must be in heaven.

        I haven’t been to Columbus but I have been to Cincinnati. Oh my what a dump. Plus I couldn’t get the WKRP theme song out of my head the whole time I was there.


        Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  58. shiram says:

    Normally I’d be annoyed at seeing Eller play wing, but with Pleks and Ak? That does not sound bad at all.
    Too bad Nokia seems to be playing alone on the 4th.

    • Ali says:

      Gomez keeps to get playing center and give the kiss of death to Bourque and White, while Eller gets taken away from his strongest position. Hey, at least Ak gets a few shift with Pleks before he gets benched.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I just assumed that since Gomez has been virtually nonexistant they were going to try a 4man line with 2 D and hope the refs wouldn’t see the extra attacker.

      Yah, I like the idea of Eller/Ak/Plex

      • shiram says:

        Just read that Darche might not make the trip to Washington, so that explains the changes lineups.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        We may have to petition the NHL to allow us to use an alternate word than “attacker” when describing the current Habs. After all, aren’t we striving for precision in our language?

        Is there a precise French-aise expression for “a guy nervously and tentatively leaving his own zone with the puck hoping no one notices him” ?

        The French language is much better than English for that kind of tightly focused description.

  59. Kooch7800 says:

    You have to look at the bright side of the habs not being in the playoffs…when the weather is great you can go outside, play golf, grab a beer on a patio, do anything but be plunked inside watching TV. The other one is the possibility of a nice high draft pick. Those are both pretty nice

  60. habsfan0 says:

    Possibility of up to 20 cm of snow in Toronto tomorrow…which is the equivalent of..oh about…100 cm of the white stuff in Montreal.

    City will grind to a halt.

    Where’s Mel Lastman when you need him?

  61. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’ve been looking at some Alexander Radulov highlight compilations on youtube.

    He’s completely insane – a bit like Ovechkin. He skates like the tasmanian devil.. And also a tremendous raw talent.

    If we could get his rights cheap I would go for it. As I said last night, maybe even get Patrick Roy involved in convincing him to come over.
    (Not by naming him coach necessarily.)


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

  62. ralphkim says:

    time to get working on next year. It burns me to see that Burke has moved his team ahead of the HABS IN 2 YRS of rebuild. Move 3-4 players from Hamilton as they are doing lousy and lets see who we keep for next year. Play Eller more…Drop AK,Gomez, Put Darche back on the 3rd or 4th…Put Leblanc to the real test with lots of ice time.. He looks sluggish out there right now…Give Price some rest and lets see how his backup can do…(He deserves it after sitting for some long)

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Burke has been in Toronto since 2008….it is now 2012 that is not two years my friend

    • mdp2011 says:

      “Burke has moved his team ahead of the HABS IN 2 YRS of rebuild.”

      First, Burke has been on the job 3 years, not 2. 2nd, they haven’t made the playoffs in the last 6 years, and still are not guaranteed to make the playoffs this year, even though the east is extremely weak. 3rd, with all the crap that has happened to the Habs this year, they still only sit 7 points behind the leafs, a difference of only 4 wins. So with all that, how do you say the Leafs are ahead of the Habs? The Habs are having a lousy year, where everything possible has gone wrong, but to say the Leafs are ahead of the Habs, that is ridiculous.

    • Top Corner says:

      Binnoculars burke is on his 3rd…i say THIRD attempt to raise that sunken ship….

      -First was filling the team full of goons….went no wheres FAST!
      -Second was Versteeg , Toskala , Gigure and Co., all gone…
      -…and now after such a strong goaltending start….they with one week left are looking to trade for a goalie….instead of secondary scoring which is what they needed….one injury to Kessel and there season….there everything is DONE…..

      Also, I may be wrong but Iam pretty sure his first act as GM in ’08 was trading away there #1 up and comer – J.Pogey !!!
      Where did that guy end up ?? LOL

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Uhhh yah, who in the world would want Seguin, Hamilton and Knight over Kessel, guy is a freaking genius! Plus they have Optimus Reim locked in to go with Komisarek and Schenn. Burke is a GOD!

  63. habsfan0 says:

    Is Markov skating today? If so, non contact jersey?

  64. SmartDog says:

    Just thinking, thank goodness we’re sellers.
    Still a lot of damage Gauthier can do, but less than there was.

    I haven’t been one of those shouting “tank” but as I’ve said before this is a RARE opportunity for us to pick up one of those impact scorers we’ve been deprived of for so long. I’m hopeful.

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  65. HabinBurlington says:

    So according to Leaf Blogger, Leafs may be forced to shop Grabo due to contract demands. Will be interesting to watch if Burke goes for the playoffs or sells off, Leaf Nation could soon go into convulsions.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Mike-Augello/Ruutu-Contract-May-Lead-To-Grabos-Exit-Leafs-Looking-For-A-Goalie/120/42464

  66. HabinBurlington says:

    What another new born baby! Okay, this has to be the problem with this team. All these Habs having babies is going to bankrupt the Provincial Healthcare system in Quebec.

  67. LesHabs says:

    Lets just say that it takes 90pts to get in (about 55% of your total pts for the season – right now Toronto is holding 8th with 54%).

    For arguments sake, lets say the Habs need 91pts because first tie breaker is Wins and they will likely not be the winner in that category.

    Right now they have 58pts in 61 games (about 48% of available pts thus far). This means, that in the remaining 21 games they need 33pts (about 79% of remaining points):

    Some Possible Combinations:

    12-0-9
    13-1-7
    14-2-5
    15-3-3
    16-4-1
    17-4-0

  68. Kimberly2u says:

    Our season is over…we haven’t won enough games to pass anyone

  69. HabFanSince72 says:

    What makes a great powerplay? I ask because the PP success rates might surprise you.

    We all know we suck, but equally sucky at 13.8% are Tampa and the NY Rangers!

    Tampa should have a good PP with Stamkos, St.Louis and Vinny. Similarly the Rangers have Richards and Gaborik.

    At the other end the best PPs are Vancouver (not surprising with the Sedins) Nashville (Weber and Suter?) and … Edmonton.

    So it doesn’t seem that PP% determines league position, nor does it seem to relate to scoring ability at 5 on 5. It isn’t only a function of having great snipers or great point men.


    Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better.

    • shiram says:

      MAB is hurt in TB, explains it all for them.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Capt. Kirk

    • Ali says:

      I think a puck mover on the blue line who is also a threat to shoot and can actually hit the net is crucial. Markov is one of the best PP passers in the game when healthy but would also shoot, sneak in the low side on a regular basis and was basically always involved in the play. Everyone knows Kabs is gonna pass it 99% of the time. PK is gonna mile-high wind up and blast it.

      Rangers don’t have that guy either (McDonagh isn’t really a top unit PP guy I don’t think, yet anyway. Del Zotto isn’t enough). Tampa’s defense plain sucks. Vancouver has Edler, Bieksa, and of course the Sedins. Nashville have Weber, Suter on the points.

      I’ll be honest, can’t explain Edmonton at all.

  70. Exit716 says:

    One has to hope that come April 9, it’s no longer business as usual in Montreal. Hopefully Molson realizes his current administration isn’t getting it done. Also he needs to take away Gauthier’s cell phone and lock him in a room on Monday.

  71. rwp1990 says:

    not so fast – come Wednesday morning when you can say there are under 20 games left – if they have not won a couple on the road AND received some help by teams in front of us losing then yep – call them toast – but not just yet
    if the Caps, Jets and Leafs lose a couple in the same period it is not so impossible…this team is capable of going on a little run so why not now? by Wednesday morning we will know if the season is over or not – the math doesn’t matter until then really
    c’est le but!
    Bob in Ottawa

  72. Habfan4lfe says:

    Season is over u have to face reality

  73. stevieray says:

    Does anyone besides me think the most of our players have had enough of this crazy season and just want it to end … I know they are professionals but …. underachievers many …over achievers a few …coaching changes …the Gomez thing… losing Gill who appears was well liked ..a terrible PP…the Markov situation … etc…. some great efforts lately but when we can really make a move in the standings we come out flat..at home ..
    I know I’m getting weary partner just trying to follow all the various going ons..

  74. shiram says:

    Yup gotta enjoy it while it’s still here.
    Watching other teams in the playoffs does not do it for me.

  75. ZepFan2 says:

    Plecks, now PK. :lol:

    Please, don’t quit your day job!

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    Turn on the tank, the party’s over…

  76. LA Loyalist says:

    When a team is going bad no one wants to own the responsibility, which is why the team goes bad in the first place.

    As for PK, we need to be careful. He needs mentoring beyond what Hal Gill could do. Even if Markov comes back (if) he may not have the personality for it. Why the F at at minimum can we not getty Larry Robinson to coach the D? I know he doesn’t want to be head coach, but jeez, but Big Bird would get their freaking attention in a hurry.

    If not Larry, somebody with credibility.

    As for you trade comment, Shea Weber straight up – why would Nashville do that? It makes no sense. You have to look at what OTHER teams need, not just what we need. LA for example need scoring, desperately, they’re not going to trade for a Rick Green or Craig Ludwig. Use your noodle.

  77. RGM says:

    “it is known that russians have never been to keen on black folks…lets just be honest about that…”

    Wow. Just wow.
    1. Andrei Kostitsyn is not “Russian.” He’s from Belarus.
    2. Way to casually infer racism on the part of not only Kostitsyn, but also Emelin and Markov, towards Subban.

    Truly a horrible post.

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  78. HabinBurlington says:

    Really did you just write that? Can we be honest about your abilities to stereotype?

  79. Mattyleg says:

    The other day he was going on about “Muzzies”, which I eventually figured out mean ‘muslims’.
    (he wasn’t flattering them, either)

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  80. SmartDog says:

    That one’s right off the gulag. ;)

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  81. Bripro says:

    I wouldn’t trade for them either. They’re both retired.

  82. Bigdawg says:

    so then you are saying the fact that PK is black is a problem and its either him or the russians since deep down they hate each other

  83. Bripro says:

    I guess the “J.M” in Anti JM is an acronym for Jews and Muslims?

  84. kholdstare says:

    whoa easy on what you guys are saying, he implied that russians are racist (which is ignorant granted) but no need to brand him as one.

  85. Mattyleg says:

    I’m talking about his reference to Muslims as ‘Muzzies’ the other day.
    As in Obama is one, and Cat Stevens is a ‘muzzie convert’.
    Maybe I’m way off the mark…

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  86. Bripro says:

    There have been unnecessary ethnic references in the past.
    That’s not what most of us are aiming for here.
    This is supposed to be friendly banter.
    Like Matt, if I’m wrong, then I apologize.

  87. TomNickle says:

    The things working in the Habs favour regarding Kostitsyn’s trade value are.

    1. Zach Parise won’t be traded.
    2. Rick Nash costs too much.
    3. Jeff Carter’s contract is scary.

    Not a lot of other scorers out there. Hemsky’s likely available but Los Angeles surely won’t be acquiring him since Dean Lombardi compares Steve Tambellini to Bernie Madoff.

  88. EastCoastHab says:

    Someone better start talking about him in a positive way. Last night he got ripped apart on one of the talk tv shows about trade deadline. I don’t think it was TSN (Toronto Sports Network) but someone esle. They said they woulnd’t touch him at all.

  89. Bigdawg says:

    TSN seems to think he has no value. However they also believe grabo is worth 65 #1st rounders….

    I hope he stays too. Big 20 goal forwards are kind of hard to replace even streaky ones.

  90. Chrisadiens says:

    Crosby for Moen? :)

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  91. Stev.R says:

    Stamkos for Darche

  92. SlovakHab says:

    Moen and Diaz are completely fine. Replaceable, but I don’t see any major issue with them as long as Diaz is 3rd pairing with a physical partner and Moen on 3rd-4th line.

    The other ones, I could live without for sure!

  93. dorvalhabsfan says:

    The grass is greener on the other side… who do you replace a 3rd line winger with who can perform more then now… the same for diaz hes good young and was at the rookie all star game… they are useful pieces for any team. a losing team does not neccesarily equal a team of losers!

    Go Habs Go

  94. Hobie Hansen says:

    You don’t want to see Moen? The guy kills penalties, can play on a scoring line if need be, steps it up in the playoffs, fights…He is one of only a few good all-around players on the team!

    Kostitsyn is gutless, I agree with you there.
    Kaberle stinks defensively.
    Campoli is garbage
    Diaz is tiny and should be playing in Europe
    And Darche is a nice story but not tough enough to be a checker and offers zero offense.

    Moen stays!

  95. TheMock780 says:

    He’s not a problem in the room, he’s just ultra-competitve in practice and people take it the wrong way

  96. CanadienBoy says:

    U guys started drinking early or what PK with Price and Pax are the future if not half already leaders of this teams with Cole taking over Gill as the how u do it leaders

  97. CanadienBoy says:

    Forget he does not take bad call

  98. otter649 says:

    Darche has filled in great for Moen on one of the league’s best PK units…….

  99. HabFab says:

    “why is AK talkin crap about soooby? obviously there is a problem there…you dont talk about what takes place inside the team…you just dont do it.”

    ???????????????

  100. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Are you talking about

    “After practice, Andrei Kostitsyn quipped that everyone wants to fight Subban, adding that every spat at Habs practice seems to involve the hard-hitting defenceman.” TSN.CA

    Quip (noun) 1. a clever or witty remark or comment.

    Guess those stories about AK being a cut-up in the room are true after all.

  101. HabFab says:

    Thanks for the clarification.

    And to the haters…IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!

  102. punkster says:

    What’s the highest number of players ever traded by a single team at the trade deadline?

    How many NHL teams in history have traded 10 players in an entire season, let alone at the trade deadline?

    I’m serious because the answers may give you a hint as to how likely this is to happen.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  103. HabFab says:

    Oh, quit trying to be so nice!!

  104. HardHabits says:

    How many teams let 11 UFA’s walk for nothing?

    Add to that Souray and Streit let go for nothing.

    Add to that McDonagh for Gomez.

    Add to that a 1st and 2nd for Tanguay, the 2nd for Dominic Moore and the 2nd for Wisniewski. None signed.

    No wonder the Habs are weak, have not depth and are far from skating a full NHL team.

    From Anti JM’s list I’d consider:
    Plex if let go would have to bring serious returns.
    AK and Moen if either or both not signed should be dangled.
    Gio held until the next trade deadline. If play-off bound keep, if not, dangle.
    Weber or Diaz, not both. I prefer Diaz.
    Darche if someone offers picks do it.
    Nokia and Blunden I like for the 4th line. Nokia wins face-offs. Blunden crashes and bangs. Both have ample size. If I had to make a choice to keep one and not the other I’d keep Blunden.
    Kaberle. Yuck. If he can garner a 2nd or better do it.

    Better than letting 11 walk for nothing. N’est-ce pas?

  105. punkster says:

    (sigh)…It’s a habit I formed in childhood. Mr. Nice Guy. I can’t seem to shake it as I get older. I need help!

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***

  106. Habfan10912 says:

    I got your favorite player. I think I figured it out. I sent an e mail.

  107. HabFab says:

    Full name, one word, lower case @ to finalize it.

  108. Habfan10912 says:

    I like nice Pucksters. Frank! Behave yourself. : )

  109. HabFab says:

    I’m getting a little tired of being nice around here, place needs a good ice brawl!

    @at Jim, did you get my favourite player?

  110. boing007 says:

    Who are you going to replace Pleks with? Frosty the Snowman?

    Richard R

  111. punkster says:

    You may have points there but the question I asked is related to number of trades at the deadline. No team that I can find has traded 9 players at the deadline. I don’t know of any who have traded 9 during the season either but there may be a few. Off season is a whole other story.

    ***Subbang Baby!!!***


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