Happy parade, Boston

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They’re expecting a million or more Bruins fans to line the streets of Boston this morning for the team’s Stanley Cup parade. Good for them; hope they enjoy. There is nothing like a Cup parade.

And in a flashback to a classic oops, the last time the Bruins had their team engraved on Lord Stanley’s chalice, BOSTON was misspelled, Qs used in place of Os.

B’s will be good for a while

RDS dumps Benoit Brunet

692 Comments

  1. TorontoHabsFan says:

    So here’s a question that just came to mind – who do you think are the top 5 defencemen since the WHA merger (Roughly the last 30 years)?

    Off the top of my head I’d say:

    Lidstrom
    Bourque
    Stevens
    Leetch
    Pronger

    (Blake, MacInnis and Coffey are just outside this top 5 – and I didn’t include Potvin or Robinson…both of whom played significant portions of their career in the 70s)

    What say you? Is there somebody unbelievably obvious that I’m missing?

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    Niedermeyer! How can I forget him!! New list:

    Lidstrom
    Bourque
    Stevens
    Leetch
    Niedermeyer.

    • Duracell3 says:

      I’d take Coffey over Stevens Leetch or Niedermeyer, just preference though, any team is gifted to have any of them. In addition to those mentioned Zubov and Markov were/are pretty good in their day(s). Fetisov and Kasatonov get honorable mentions, and good taste forbids me from considering Pronger.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I agree – Zubov was grossly under-rated when he played. I didn’t realize just how great Leetch was until he played those last few weeks for Toronto. At the end of his career he was just so incredibly smooth a skater and so intelligent a passer. Kinda bummed me out that I didn’t pay closer attention when he was in his prime.

        Larionov is another great choice!

  2. TorontoHabsFan says:

    For those starting to feel antsy about Gorges’ contract situation, don’t forget that last summer many were fretting over the status of Price’s RFA contract…and that worked out just fine.

    As far as Markov v. Wisniewski? It’s not even close, Markov is one of the best defencemen in the league. Wisniewski is talented offensively, but he also had many cringeworthy moments in his own end.

    If you are picking one over the other – it’s Markov. If you’re looking at both, then we’ll have to go inexpensive on the top 6 LW we desperately need. (and probably will have to move Spacek at some point before the season starts)

    Markov-Wisniewski
    Subban-Gorges
    Gill-Yemelin
    Weber (or Picard/Diaz)

    I could handle that :D

    • Bugs says:

      What if Markov’s finished?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        What if he comes back to form?

        • Bugs says:

          Then we could have TWO elite defenders re-signed.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • issie74 says:

            Mr Bugs I am disappointed in you.P.K will take another year or two before he can be an elite defender,but I love P.K.

            NorthTOHab

          • Bugs says:

            Issie, elite defender Soobie is ALREADY signed and therefore, does not need to be RE-signed this summer.
            Yes?

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • TorontoHabsFan says:

        I strongly suspect he isn’t. Injuries tend to affect defencemen who play a more physical game (Pronger, Komisarek etc.). Puck moving defencemen seem to recover from injury pretty smoothly.

        • Mr_MacDougall says:

          Also, note how well Koivu returned to form (barring the unfortunate cancer and eye situations) after consecutive knee injuries when many thought he was brittle and finished. Jeremy Roenick had a similar situation in Chicago and played many years after…

          I think we do sign him, and if he keeps getting hurt we will end up having to add guys at the deadline like we did with Wiz this year.

        • Bugs says:

          Bobby Orr would be an example of which?

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • TorontoHabsFan says:

            An example of someone who played before the advent of arthroscopic surgery. ;)

          • Bugs says:

            Ok.
            If you guarantee he’s good to go and it boils down to a choice between both, I’m cool with Marky.
            But uhh…if he ain’t the player he was…we’ll be having words.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • Mr_MacDougall says:

            I think Bobby had 8 surgeries… But I understand what you’re getting at, Pavel Bure is a current player that had to retire a decade early because his knees got worn out. I hope Markov doesnt have the luck of Bure and Orr.

            I think any contract is a risk, and would love to see Markov return to form in a Habs jersey…. and if not, it was worth the risk.

          • Bugs says:

            Pavel weren’t no defenceman, McDoug.

            Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      Will PG give real and serious consideration to option of signing Wisniewski instead of Markov? Age and health questions considered I don’t think that too far fetched an idea.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        I think the Wiz had more surgeries than Markov as a poster below verified.

        • issie74 says:

          Just for the sake of argument … the year before the lookout … Teemu Selanne was considering retirement during the 18 months of the lockout he had surgery and came back better than anyone expected.

          I think Markov is a special case.He is a Hab.Never played for any other team.Montreal can afford to sign him and should,if it dosen’t work out,he goes on the I.R and dosen’t count against the cap.

          The Habs owe him this.He is a good example of what you want from your players on and off the ice.

          NorthTOHab

  3. darcy1 says:

    So i haven’t been reading user comments much lately… but how does everyone feel about the fact that only NJ & WPG still have head coaching jobs available and chances are neither will hire Muller? TSN reports today that there are other candidates in the mix in WPG and NJ probably won’t hire another first time NHL coach after last year’s debacle!

    Is this a good sign that Muller may re-sign in Montreal?

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    • otter649 says:

      Muller was involved in the development camp this past week so it could be a sign that he might re-sign or he could just be fulfilling his contract up to June 30……

    • TheMock780 says:

      I was listening to Marinaro on the Team 990 on Friday and he was saying that Muller (surprisingly) didn’t interview very well for head coaching jobs but that he’s also told the Habs that he wants to be a head coach.

      My guess is that he and Cunneyworth switch jobs and that Muller is running the Bulldogs next year.

  4. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ Zepfan2

    LOL, I was looking and really couldn’t find a good Injury history on Wisniewski…

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Here you go…

      http://tinyurl.com/5tk2qft

      “Wisniewski coming along

      Another injured Hawk, defenseman James Wisniewski, said he’s “feeling really good” after surgery to repair the anterior cruciate ligament in his right knee, which he injured in off-season training.

      “The therapists are saying it looks great for two weeks after the surgery,” said Wisniewski, who had had surgery twice previously on the same knee. “I have to make sure I don’t overextend it since this is the third time I’ve done it. I have 20 more weeks to go.”

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      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I guess I can accept that as solid proof :-).

        Not to split hairs again but Wisniewski has missed five games due to injury since the surgery 3 years ago and has improved his play.

        Markov is 32-years-old and has barely played the last two seasons and has yet to prove he’s able to play like his old self.

        Its a very tough call and I still think Markov is a bit riskier than Wisniewski but who knows for sure?

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Now with a full year just rehabbing and training behind him. Markov will get his chance to prove he’s fine this season.

          Besides, I feel he gets the benefit of the doubt after giving Montreal a hometown discount on his last contract.

          Like I’ve said before, Markov has shown his loyalty to the Habs and the fans. It’s now time for us to pay it back.

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    • Ian Cobb says:

      JF
      I really wonder if this guy can still play 82 games at the NHL level. Another Kovalev floater in the making.
      To many old farts on the squad already for a lot of bucks.
      I did see him play very well at the tournament this year, but a short tournament does not make a season. Just saying, I could be wrong.!

      • JF says:

        Ian – If Jagr really wants to play in Montreal, this suggests he’s more interested in playing in a high-pressure hockey environment than in the money. Our most urgent need is for more scoring, and he could help us a lot. I wouldn’t consider it if the free agent market weren’t so thin, and anyone we got there likely to be very over-paid.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Was his play really as superior ‘all tournament’.

  5. JF says:

    According to RDS, who refer to the New York Daily News, Montreal would be Jagr’s first choice.

    • scrowe21 says:

      really hoping for no more than 2.5 mill

      • darcy1 says:

        how about 1.5 or less

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        • Ian Cobb says:

          How about 800,000 plus bonus for production.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Why would one of the greatest players of all-time accept to make as much money or less than Travis Moen?

          The fact is, if we can get Jagr for 2-2.5 million, it will be a steal, because he will be able to put up around 60 points (maybe more) if he is healthy all year and playing with Pleks and Cammy.

          Apparently, he is in the best shape of his life right now too.

          He will not sign for less than 2 million.

  6. OneTimer says:

    From Brendan Kelly’s article:

    “Brunet had a terrible habit of defending the more primitive aspects of the game, forever leaning on the old cliches about guys standing up for each other, following the code and playing rough’n’tough. Often, his real-men-must-play-like-real-men comments would’ve fit right in on Coach’s Corner and that’s a bizarre concept when you think how unpopular Don Cherry is with francophone hockey fans.”

    Huh? I’ve watched all 82+ games for the last three years, and I never heard Brunet say anything like this. Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m not a huge fan – even if he did improve a bit last year – but…I’m just surprised this journalist is writing this, is all.

  7. rhino514 says:

    We probably would have won the cup with 2 of markov (aware of the fact we wouldnt have the Wiz in this case), patch, or gorges present. People saying we aren´t a cup threat are blind.
    BTW I am thinking it will be very tough to keep both Desharnais and Eller. They are far too good for the 4th line but one of them will have to be on it. I think eller is looked upon as having more long term potential so DH looks likeley to go. Hope they get something good for him,. The sh&ty thing is if you give Desharnais good wingers he will probably produce like a second line centre. What to do? Gomez again makes it more difficult for us to navigate thru the situation and live with it longer in the case one of them develops fast

    • The Cat says:

      The habs wont win cause of Markov, a team needs to be resistant, resilient to go four tough rounds in the playoffs, and Markov is anything but that. Markov would be as instrumental as Kaberle was for Boston.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • darcy1 says:

        except unlike Kaberle, it’s is a proven fact that he makes our powerplay one of the best in the league (see 2007-08).

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    • OneTimer says:

      Sorry dude, I’m usually an optimist but there’s no way that’s true.

      We may have had the skill to win four rounds, but like our feline friend says, we didn’t have the team endurance. Are you telling me that Gill, Spacek and Hamrlik could’ve handled the tough grinding minutes all the way to the SCF, and still be effective in their roles?

      The team needs to get younger and more resilient…the skill is there.

      • ZepFan2 says:

        To be fair. If Markov and Gorges were playing, all those guys you named would be playing less minutes. Food for thought.

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    • JayBee says:

      Rhino514
      And if Boston had Savard, they would have swept the Habs. And if Pronger wasn’t injured, Philly would have won the cup. See how easy it is to play your game?

      This isn’t some stupid magical equation. Games are won and lost on the ice, not on paper.

      Desharnais will never have success as a 2nd line center.

      • Steven says:

        The Savard point is a non-factor. He’s not even a shell of his former self at this point.

        I’m not completely certain about the Pronger point, either. When you have that powerful an offence, and you have a D unit that’s touted as one of the best in the league, losing one guy shouldn’t be a problem, even if he’s your best. I think it was just a mix of the horrible goaltending they got and a collapse in the team.

        Markov and Gorges, I don’t know, but how many backdoor plays did we see in those playoffs that Darche couldn’t bury? If Pacioretty were there, you’re guaranteed at least 60% of those are going in, and that would probably have been the difference.

        Finally, I fail to see how DD wouldn’t be a successful 2nd line center. He was on pace for a 40-50 point season with pretty weak linemates. You don’t seriously think he could’ve done a good job centering Gionta and Pacioretty?

        • JayBee says:

          It really bothers me how some fans completely underrate other players but propel Markov to God status. Did you not see the diff between Philly this year and last year? It was all Pronger. Pronger is more important to Philly than Markov is to the Habs.

          Saying Savard is a shell of his former self is saying the same for Markov. He missed the last 2 seasons.

          My main point was games are played on the ice. Hab fans have gotten into this loser mentality of moral victories. “Well, IF this guy and that guy weren’t injjured we would have scored 5 extra goals”. You don’t know that. If the Sedins can score 1 goal combined in 7 games then anything is possible.

          DD, another player that has been overrated by Hab fans. Being on pace means absolutely nothing. He played well but that was against 3rd and 4th liners. He will get destroyed on the 2nd line. You can’t have a 5’6 2nd line centerman dude. He gets killed along the boards and just isn’t fast enough.

          Tell me, how many 5’6 centerman have had success in the NHL?

          You know, injuries are a part of the game. If you notice your team tends to get a lot of injuries then you need to see what’s wrong with your team.

  8. Hobie Hansen says:

    I’m going to play GM here for a moment.

    First task, sign Wisniewski and thank Markov for his dedication and send him on his way. Is it guaranteed to be correct the decision? Nothing in sports is a guarantee but I think it’s the smarter move. Look at the Halak/Price decision last year as another example of a tough choice.

    Maybe Markov is so entrenched in the community and Gauthier is head over heels in love with him that the Habs will resign him, I don’t know? But all feelings aside…I wouldn’t do it!

    Markov has had three major surgeries lately and Wisniewski had one knee surgery, I think, in 2008.
    With the cap going up to 62 mill, I say give the younger, better shot, more aggressive Wisniewski a four year 17-20 million dollar contract.

    Subban and Wisniewski as your two main offensive defensemen is ample.

    And there’s one more defenseman who I’d love for them to sign that is possible with the cap space; Shane O’Brien from Nashville. The guy is big, mean and was among Nashville’s top four defensemen when they had a decent showing in the playoffs this year.

    O’Brien makes 1.6 million and I think his playoff performance is deserving of a raise so I say offer him a two year deal for a total of 4 million bucks.

    I’d be pumped if we went into the season with our top six defenders being: Subban, Wisniewski, Gorges, Gill, Yemelin and O’Brien. Spacek the 7th.

    • Steven says:

      If I’m right, Wisniewski has already had 3 surgeries on the same knee. That comes out to about the same as Markov.

      In the end, a healthy Markov is leaps and bounds better than Wisniewski, so I would take a gamble on Markov again.

      As for O’Brien, I like him, so I’d try and sign him. The only problem is I don’t see how we’ll have the space for all these defenders we’re bringing in. If we don’t get rid of Weber, we have 8 defencemen.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Wiz has had 3 surgeries all on the same knee!

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      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Did he really? Looking at TSN.ca it seems he only had one…

        • ZepFan2 says:

          Well TSN is wrong or you’re misinterpreting something.

          http://tinyurl.com/6dxogs7

          This is the third time that Wisniewski has had surgery on his right knee in the last six months but hopefully he can once again can become a regular in the Blackhawks lineup.”

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          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I noticed on the injury report he sat out at three different times with what is described as knee sprains and injuries but the word surgery is only mentioned once…

            Now not to split hairs here but how reputable is this link you posted? That’s just a regular Joe blogging no?

            Was Wisniewski’s ACL or MCL torn clean off the bone like Markov’s was twice or were two of the three so-called surgeries minor?

            Just curious cuz I’m eager to know Wisniewski’s exact condition?

          • ZepFan2 says:

            @Hobie

            Dude, if you doubt the site, maybe you should try and find another.

            I did my part.

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  9. Habs fan in SF says:

    hopefully pacioretty comes back next season with no hesitation. he was turning into a big time power forward who planted his ass in front of the net and got those tough dirty goals. with that said, we could still use some size

  10. CHsam says:

    At my buddy’s wedding last week, a friend opined that Markov won’t be a Hab by end of summer…. After the initial shock, I think he could be right. Makes me nervous that we haven’t reached a deal with him yet

    • naweed235 says:

      this won’t be that bad of a thing if we sign the Wiz instead… more physical, better point shot (most important thing for our PP), can fight, puts up great offensive numbers that I think compensate well for his slight defensive lack… Also probably cheaper and less injury prone

      Add younger to that list

    • issie74 says:

      Me Too CHsam

      Every morning I wake up thinking today’s the day and then no word.

      NorthTOHab

    • Bugs says:

      Yeah, but your friend was surely boozed up at the wedding; no need to get worked up about the unrealized portent of any statement he may have made at the time.
      Did he repeat it Monday mornin in his office is the question.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  11. naweed235 says:

    I know a lot of people here wont agree with me but I think we are closer to winning the Cup than most of you think… We went to the ECF last year and lost in a game 7 OT to the Champs this year… In the playoffs anything gives and the most important factor is Character which noone can argue that we do not have… we were beaten by Boston b/c their 3rd and 4th lines just got hot in time where as ours did not… But if you remember that same Pouliot, Halpern , Darche line carried the Habs for a good part of the season (THE PHD) line…
    so all im saying is I truly believe we are 2 or 3 peices short of a serious contender , even with Gomez in the lineup…
    Also let’s not forget that injuries play a colossal role … Look at Boston, Aside from the Horton injury at the end, they did not have to deal with any long term injuries…(Savard does not count b/c he did not even start the year)

  12. A. Berke says:

    I really dislike to entertain this idea but most of June has gone by and we don’t have any of the top 3 D-corps (UFA’s) resigned yet (Markov, Gorges & Wiz).

    Since especially the first two were the priorities, I’m getting this negative feeling that all 3 are asking for too much $$ or too long of a contract and possibly both.

    Does anyone think that PG has a plan “B” if he can not bring at least two of the 3 in the fold?

    Ali B.

    • TomNickle says:

      Wisniewski’s nuts if he doesn’t test the market. So that one’s easy. If Gauthier considers Markov a sure thing it would make sense to put less priority into signing him early. I would imagine that he’ll be signed before the draft though.

      Gorges is an RFA and there’s really no worry of an offer sheet there. That deal will get done. I wouldn’t be worried if we were into August and that contract wasn’t signed.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Most people are betting Markov will be back and I’d have to agree.

      Gauthier is only human though and you’d have to think he has thoughts of Markov getting hurt again and putting another season in jeopardy.

      The only thing that is abundant in this year’s UFA pool is defensemen. Maybe Gauthier is waiting until the free agent frenzy begins to go after someone else…maybe?

  13. Habs fan in SF says:

    dang, i’m posting a lot today but it’s been a while, and i have a lot on my mind! just read an article that besides price, the habs are actually pretty weak on goaltending. heaving forbid price were to go on the DL next season, who the hell do we have to back him up??

    • TomNickle says:

      Our backup.

    • naweed235 says:

      that’s why I believe it is important for PG to sign a back up that’s capable of getting the Job done… As good as Auld was for us last season when called upon, he is not a Goalie who is capable of keeping the paste playing say 10 games in a row… if PG Could sign, someone like Biron i’d be happy

    • Mark C says:

      This applies to ~80% or more of the teams in the NHL. At any given time there aren’t many surefire back-ups in the NHL who could safely take over for an elite goalie, like Price.

      Here are the back-ups for all EC playoffs teams: Neuvirth/Varlamov (take your pick as to who is #1 and #2), Philly “goalies”, Rask, Brent Johnson, Mike Smith, Enroth/Lalime, and Biron. Outside of Rask is there anyone who really stands out on that list as a goalie who could carry his team with the #1 out? I think Auld is/was as good a bet as anyone besides Rask to do this.

      • Habs fan in SF says:

        i know that, but you gotta have someone you feel confident in taking over as the #1 which auld is not that one. so trades like this makes me think what the habs are thinking…why trade cedric desjardins for karri ramo who ends up signing with a KHL team? if anything, this could have provided them with a hamilton goalie and an emergency call up. what was the benefit in this trade?

        • Mark C says:

          The NHL back up has little to do with an AHL goalie with questionable NHL ability. You can always sign/trade for better AHL goalies than Desjardins. We’ve seen Montreal do this with Sanford and Maclntyre. Trading for Ramo was taking a shot at getting a legit NHL level goalie, and Montreal still own his rights.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Would love the habs to get Ray Emery! That would show real balls and seriousness on PG’s part to win NOW.

      • Mike D says:

        Emery HAD a reputation for being a problem in the room. Not sure if this is/would be a problem after he was exiled to Russia, but I wouldn’t risk it. Emery wants to be a starter and he looked pretty decent last year. Not sure if that’s a good fit for us.

        - Honestly yours

        • habstrinifan says:

          Emery has matured a lot and from all indications is a great team guy now. And you know with him on the team and in the room and on the bench people aint gonna mess with the habs night after night.. with impunity.

      • Duracell3 says:

        I don’t think he’s right for the job here. Garon/Biron type would be my preference, unless Carey has some huge injury.

      • Mike D says:

        Also, I have a funny feeling ANA will re-sign Emery. Given Hiller’s mysterious dizziness isses or whatever he has, they really need a reliable back-up who is capable of being a starter.

        - Honestly yours

  14. Sean Bonjovi says:

    @ SF09
    What is consensus opinion on individual hockey players available in an NHL entry draft? We’d need to examine all published draft ranking to determine that ,but it’s irrelevant because these players are not distributed by draft ranking. Players are selected according to draft position, availability and the draft rankings of particular organisations.

    Some, perhaps many, but at least some professional hockey scouts do not assess player ability and potential on the basis of rational and objective observations. Some scouts have biased, or prejudiced opinions. That is my conclusion. Logically this is how I arrived at that conclusion:

    A) People like Brian Burke and Mike Milbury have risen to the position of GM in the NHL. (GM is the top position with regards to player personnel)
    +
    B) Professional hockey scouts are hired by NHL GMs, and/ or their supervisors and subordinates.
    +
    C) People often, if not usually hire like minded people, or use the same philosophy when hiring people for jobs that require subjective decisions.
    +
    D) Brian Burke and Mike Milbury are prejudiced towards players of particular nationalities and ethnic origins.
    =
    The conclusion I’ve stated above.

    Clause A is verifiable fact, so we agree on something already ; ).
    Clause B is verifiable, but I haven’t the resources to interview NHL scouts, preidents and GMs to get them on the record about the hire process, so for the purpose of this discussion we should treat this clause as subjective.
    Clause C is much like clause B. It’s verifiable with academic research, but we should be able to agree on an assumption of it’s truth. If we can’t agree, we’ll dig up the research.
    Clause D is purely subjective. It’s a matter of opinion, and speculation, but I think I can make a convincing argument for it’s truth.

    My conclusion in the first paragraph is a dependent clause in my arguments about how opinions are formed and informed about hockey players in general, and Zach Phillips in particular, so this matter needs to be settled before we move on.

    The first order of business needs to be the assessment of my logic, then agreement on the truth of Clauses B and C. After that we’ll move on to my argument for the truth of clause D.

    * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • TomNickle says:

      Some players are assessed question marks by scouts and executives based on their nationality. But it’s never a unanimous prejudice. Remember that the Rangers selected Alexei Cherepanov when Russian players were at their lowest value in decades.

      This perception that players from the QMJHL aren’t evaluated fairly is false.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        You and I have very different opinions on that last matter, but I’ve never won the Omaha hockey championship, so maybe I’m wrong ; )

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You do you know Mike Milbury was basically fired for extreme incompetence and is considered the worst GM in league history, correct? Using him as an example of influence in the league is a bit weak, any trace of his influence has likely been purged out of the league.

      You’re still making an argument that 30 NHL General Managers have adopted a bigoted agenda against the QMJHL, have hired scouts of the same mind of that the QMJHL players are not good at all (Despite decades of evidence they are) and have actively dismissed that the QMJHL produces talented players and that none of them have broken ranks on this in years. That 30 Professional GMs whose jobs it is to secure talented players to win Stanley Cup Titles would not take any interest in drafting from a pool that produced legends like Richard, Beliveau, Lafleur, Roy and Lemieux.

      I’m sorry but is completely ridiculous. If NHL teams will draft Latvians, Danes, Finns, Russians, Swedes, Germans, Czechs, Slovaks and we all well aware of the massive anti-European sentiment in the NHL that is far more pronounced than anti-Quebec feelings, than we are to believe the NHL has gone back in time by more than 40 years in their discrimination against Quebec in some way? If they were there, they’d be drafted or signed as undrafted free agents. An anti-QMJHL attitude is not the problem for Quebec, the problem was the World Hockey Summit had a lot of good ideas to improve junior hockey in 1999, Quebec took until last year to implement the changes every other province put in 7-10 years ago. They’ve paid the price for falling behind.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • issie74 says:

        I don’t know why he didn’t get the boot long before he did … every day some NY Islander fan was calling in to NHL Live to demand Mr Wong fire him.
        To bad he was followed by Garth Snow who has been awful.

        NorthTOHab

      • Duracell3 says:

        While I think there is certainly a stereotype for Quebcois at most levels of hockey (to simplify, you can only be St. Louis, Laraque, or Roy in their eyes), right or wrong of Quebecois players by the rest of the continent, I don’t think it’s by that much, and probably more in the old guard (cherry, milbury, quinn etc. (see http://www.cyberpresse.ca/sports/hockey/200812/13/01-810251-pat-quinn-sen-prend-au-hockey-quebecois.php ), I certainly don’t think this is a huge factor in the present (whereas the number of players in minor hockey is in this province, last I heard football outranks it.), and in the future will continue to die as it is on the wrong side of history.

        Also, I don’t understand how this got started by talking about Phillips, the guy from NB. Carry on though haha~!

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      I’ll interpret your first paragraph as a rejection of the logic of my argument. Please disregard any mention of Mike Milbury and re-assess.

      In your second paragraph you’re flogging another straw man. You begin with a false characterization of my argument and then argue against your own creation.

      You could take a methodical approach to this series of arguments
      and we could draw a clear distinction between where truth ends and opinion begins. You could qualify your opinions with an explanation of how you’ve reached them i.e. state which opinions are based on personal observations, and which are your interpretation of other peoples opinions, site sources, and allow your opinions to be evaluated with knowledge of what informed them. It’s perfectly valid to base an opinion on a survey of other published opinions, but you do nothing of the sort. You support your statements with whatever source is convienient in that particular instance.

      You make statement A and support it with source A. In the next breath you make statement B and support it with source B. Often source B is an argument against statement A and vice versa. On verifiable matters of fact you’re very well informed, but the claims of expertise implied by the conviction with which you state opinions are over reaching, and your arguments are intellectually dishonest.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • christophor says:

        I’m guessing you took a semester of intro. logic and now you think you’re a real genuis. You sound silly, my friend.

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          If you’d taken a semester of logic your reply wouldn’t be an ad hominem attack. ; )

          P.S. I do think I’m a genius, but for a great number other reasons as well reasons :)

          * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Your argument still seems to be framed around that the NHL establishment is bigoted against Quebec and The QMJHL and doesn’t respect their talent base and finds reasons to say they’re bad.

        I still don’t see validity in this argument. With Montreal inviting some 30, 40-odd players from the QMJHL each season to their own private draft combine each season and still only signing or drafting a couple names per year on average who don’t really go on to become big names, it would also say that Montreal, which many complain has too much of a fixation on it’s status in the modern day as being accomodating to French Canadian fanbase is ignoring the same Q talent as everyone else.

        I come to my opinion of the QMJHL and that it is not unfairly treated or biased against by the simple loglcal concept of Occam’s Razor. The simplest answer about why recruitment from the QMJHL is down is that it doesn’t produce the same class of talent as the OHL and the WHL. In an NHL that has drafted Francophone players for decades now, in an NHL that drafts European players (who are far more discriminated against to this day) and where 30 NHL GMs are pitted against each other to find the best possible talent to win the Stanley Cup it is simply an execise in insanity for a group to manage to be so ignorant or bigoted and have a collective groupthink against the QMJHL that no one ever dares break ranks and give some talented French Canadians that everyone has ignored a shot in the NHL.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          Sorry for the delay. This is a good post. Who’s razor?. I looked it up, but I won’t argue that a Republican is applying the principle of Occam’s Razor when he crosses the street to avoid a black man;)
          He’s where we do agree. It can be nearly proven that some-to- most NHL GMs don’t care where a guy’s from or where he played.
          You think that, because it very unlikely, that it’s not true (I assume that’s your position). I believe that despite the fact it’s unlikely, in some situations it is a plausible explanation. I base my belief on the idea that it cannot be proven impossible, and that don cherry is very popular (and other reasons of course).
          Where there’s smoke, there’s fire…maybe. I don’t think we’re even having that discussion. We disagree on the definition of “smoke”.

          * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

  15. TomNickle says:

    Habs may want to look into getting Maxim Trunev over to North America. His KHL team is in some hot water.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Inside-the-KHL-8217-s-8216-money-for-a-roster;_ylt=AkuF_gbGZMgjVcfqvL2QcRx7vLYF?urn=nhl-wp7519

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      It would be nice to bring him over to give Avtsin someone to play with. Hamilton will need some offense.

      So far, it looks like the Bulldogs will have:

      Palushaj-Trotter-Avtsin
      Lefebvre-Enqvist-Leblanc
      Masse-Dumont-Schultz
      Russell-Fortier-Conboy

      Or some different combination of those players. There’s a lack of offensive talent there. Enqvist may not even be there, as he could be in line for a spot on the Habs’ 4th line.

  16. CHsam says:

    We’re going to win the Cup with Scott Gomez. You heard it here first. e3

  17. Habs fan in SF says:

    what’s everyone’s take on Tinordi? i know he had a rough year in the OHL, but you think he’ll pan out? i’d be very happy if he turned into a craig ludwig type of d-man

    • Habs fan in SF says:

      only 4 inches taller

    • TomNickle says:

      Tinordi was one of the best defensemen in the OHL in the second half of the year. Rough start, great finish.

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      From what I’ve read, he had a rough first half of the season, as he was adapting to the speed of Junior Hockey and the number of games. In the second half, he did a lot better and was playing a lot of minutes for Dale Hunter. He also fought quite a bit. London had a bad team and got blown out a lot, so his plus/minus numbers aren’t great. He was often used against the top forwards of the other team.

      If he plays in London again next year (which he will, unless he really impresses the Habs and they sign him to play in Hamilton), I think Dale Hunter might give him some power play duty as well, so hopefully he develops a little bit of offensive game as well. I’m not saying he will develop much offense, but if he could at least develop a decent shot, that could really help down the road. It took Chara a long time to develop the offensive part of his game.

      I think Tinordi will turn into a good stay-at-home defenseman who clears the front of the net, occasionally drops the mitts, and makes a good first pass. At least, I hope he will.

      • TomNickle says:

        Tinordi isn’t eligible to play in Hamilton this year, it’s London or Montreal, and it won’t be Montreal.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          I forgot about the under-20 rule. That still applies even though he came up through the US developmental program?

          I guess he finishes the OHL season, signs a contract with the Habs and plays the playoffs for Hamilton, if they’re in.

          • TomNickle says:

            He’ll play a full junior career in London. There’s no reason to rush him into the NHL. He still has a lot of physical growth to go through and needs to strengthen his offensive game before coming to the Habs. I wouldn’t expect him to be in our lineup for at least two more seasons, at the earliest.

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            So, are you saying you think he plays the next 2 seasons in London? Or, is it next season in London and the one after in Hamilton?

          • TomNickle says:

            I think he’ll be in London for two more years.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          From my understanding, he is eligible to play like Carlson or Pacioretty did at that age, but he won’t due to his just not being ready yet. Needs to be dominant in junior before moving on, which is a good rule for any prospect really.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Isn’t that rule only applicable when the player started in College?

            Tinordi never officially played for Notre Dame and Carlson only played for Hershey after he turned 20 being a January birthday.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Carlson never played in College and he also played in the OHL, still made the jump early.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            Hmmm…I just looked at Carlson’s career, and he did play only one season in Junior before moving on to the AHL at age 19.

            Pacioretty didn’t play junior hockey, he played NCAA, so I think that’s why could sign with us and play in Hamilton when he did.

            If Carlson was able to play in the AHL at 19, I don’t see why Tinordi wouldn’t be allowed if the Habs wanted him to.

            I still think he will play in London next yea though.

          • TomNickle says:

            He was 20 guys, January birthday.

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            TomNickle:

            Carlson’s birthday was January 10, 1990. He played for Hershey in the 2008-2009 playoffs and then played the 2009-2010 season. He only would have turned 20 halfway through his first full season with Hershey.

            Looks like Tinordi can play in Hamilton. Now that I think of it, didn’t Tinordi mention recently that his goal was to make the Bulldogs this year? He wouldn’t have said that if it wasn’t even possible for him.

          • Habs fan in SF says:

            i agree, no need to rush him. i hope he has a mean streak.

          • TomNickle says:

            Didn’t know he played for them in the playoffs at 19. Guess Tinordi’s good to go then. Highly doubt he’ll be with the Dogs though. I can’t see him giving up an education for one year in London.

          • Duracell3 says:

            Patches played 1 year in the USHL first, no bearing on the rule though.

          • Mike D says:

            I’d really prefer Tinordi stay in London at least one more year. I don’t think there’s a better junior team in Canada when it comes to producing top NHL talent than the Knights.

            …..plus I get to watch him a bit since I live in London but that’s just a fringe benefit :-)

            - Honestly yours

      • Habs fan in SF says:

        thanks for the scouting report. sounds like he improved over the season. gotta remember he just came from the USHL and plus a decent pedigree. could you have imagined a d-line including home subban, ryan mcdonagh, tinordi, and gorges? ugh gomez!!

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Would have been nice, but I don’t think McDonagh will be such a huge loss. We have other D prospects, such as Morgan Ellis (two-way d), Mac Bennett (a good puck-mover) and Pateryn (good stay at home). Also, the signing of Diaz could surprise more than a few by the end of the year.

  18. JayBee says:

    So looks like Philly got a goalie. Uh oh.

    • Habs fan in SF says:

      so the hawks won the cup with no goaltending and the b’s won with thomas. but it is kinda scary thinking of the flyers lineup with an actual good goalie

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Bryzgalov is the second coming of Roman Cechmanek, he failed in the playoffs against the Wings.. another great move by Philly.

      • Habs fan in SF says:

        he’s asking for a lot of money though

      • JayBee says:

        He will beast in Philly.

        East is looking scary.

        Philly
        Pitt
        Boston
        Tampa
        Wash

        • TomNickle says:

          There isn’t a scary team on that list. There isn’t one of them that the Habs can’t beat in a seven game series. The Flyers are lunch meat without Pronger.

          • JayBee says:

            None of those teams are scary, but I’m not as conident as you are. Philly beat the Habs twice in the last 2 series…and so did Boston. So not quite sure why you’re so confident.

            I’m sure the Habs can win a series…but the way the team is built…I really can’t see them walking through the East and on top of that having enough healthy bodies to do anything in the SCF.

          • TomNickle says:

            The primary reason is that the Habs were without Markov and Pacioretty the last time they faced the Flyers. We’re a much different team today than we were then. Also, the Flyers had a healthy Pronger in the last series that the Habs played them and Leighton caught lightning in a bottle that series with three shutouts. I wouldn’t count on that happening again.

            As for the other teams, the results speak for themselves. The Habs match up very well with the Pens, Caps and Bruins and the Lightning aren’t even close to being a long term threat with no goaltending or defense in their future beyond this coming season.

          • JayBee says:

            LOL, if you think so then so be it.

      • TomNickle says:

        Roman Chechmanek was a huge goalie who challenged shooters to a fault and got burned repeatedly. Those goalies are polar opposites in terms of talent, style and mental toughness.

        Oh yeah, and Brian Burke(the genius) lost Bryz to waivers.

  19. HardHabits says:

    Here’s a scenario and a question for all you arm chair GM’s.

    Let’s say next season just before the trade deadline the Habs are just outside the play-offs and Subban and Price are gone for the season because of injuries.

    What would you do, trade more draft picks to try and make the play-offs or trade some players for picks which guarantees missing them?

    • ABHabsfan says:

      That is a scenario I choose not to entertain. Put it out of your mind

    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      That is tough, stand pat. Do nothing, not our year.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Trade away players for picks, obviously. Not with our two franchise cornerstones out can we expect any kind of contention in the playoffs.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

      I’m pretty sure the Habs wouldn’t seriously think could do any damage in the playoffs without Price and Subban, so I would deal players for picks, but who would that be?

      Maybe AK46, Moen, and who else? I wouldn’t trade Gill, because I think he is important for the development of certain young guys and may be on the coaching staff in the near future. Obviously, if you could trade Gomez, you do that as well.

  20. Habs fan in SF says:

    so benoit pouliot is an RFA. if we don’t offer him a contract does that mean he’s free to go? please yes. although, i honestly would not be surprised if he produces 20+ goals somewhere else but with his size, he’s soft and hit or miss like a lot of habs players. CONSISTENCY puhleaze!

  21. cuzzie says:

    TSN edits my comments whenever I suggest they favor the Leafs. So when I commented that the coverage of the finals by all the so called National Networks was sickening to the point of Puking of course they did not carry my comments. Enough I’m an Anglo quebecer and I’m sick of some yahoo from loserville pushing their agenda. We Have to have our own home crew on hnic and have more than 1 reporter on these so called National Sport Networks. I want Montreal Sports Network?

  22. ABHabsfan says:

    Gotta say I like Ty Rattie as our 1st rd. pick. The guy just scores goals wherever he goes. Not exactly big but he can add weight and 6’0 isn’t really short. However if the pick could be used to somehow, someway aquire Zack Parise, of course with other assets, it should be done, IMO. There is no other player who would fit the Habs organisation better than this guy. PG, you want to make a splash, make a defining move? This is it

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Haven’t heard Rattie chatted up that much, but he does come up now and then as a potential choice for MTL. Future Considerations finds him a very slippery and elusive player, not overly fast but he’s got great agility and very slick hands to go with him, plays a bit of an agitator’s style as well.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • ABHabsfan says:

        I heard the Habs brought him in for interviews and work-outs. They must be a little interested. He was big around Airdrie a couple years ago, some of my buddies’ kids played on that bantam AAA team where he scored something like 80 goals in 35 games before going to Portland.

  23. nek25plus says:

    Seriously, a million!? Don’t think so….

  24. HardHabits says:

    I have an idea for a line. Gio-DD-Cammy.

  25. JasonM says:

    No more Benoit Brunet… no more Bengo!

    THERE IS A GOD

    Drinks on ME!

  26. SeriousFan09 says:

    Apparently I’m prejudiced against the QMJHL and so is the entire NHL establishment and their scouts according to Sean Beanjovi and I’m not being nice to Zack Phillips either.

    So let me start out with, I apparently insulted Zack Phillips by saying he benefitted from playing next to a consensus lottery pick in Jonathan Huberdeau. This is the same Jonathan Huberdeau who finished 3rd in Q scoring as an 18-year old. Both players ahead of him were overagers. This is the same Huberdeau who won the QMJHL Playoff MVP Title and the Memorial Cup MVP title as well. I have read that Phillips has very questionable skating and scouts are not convinced his numbers are not the product of where he plays, the #1 Junior Team in Canada and he’s not overly big either, so I’m not sold on him. These same scouts I assume are bipolar as they most love Huberdeau’s production and talent and don’t care that he is in the QMJHL and Quebecois and than hate Phillips because of his production and talent because he plays in the QMJHL.

    Than we move on to my misinformed opinions I guess, which I’m not sure what they are, do I have a misinformed opinion that the QMJHL is not producing the same class of elite players as the OHL and the WHL (which it isn’t). Or maybe I have a misinformed opinion about whether or not the NHL is so horrifically bigoted that over 60 years since the Rocket first laced them up and stunned the NHL with the first 50-goal season in league history, they still won’t admit that French Canadians can be good hockey players. Or maybe I have a misinformed opinion that it says something that Lecavalier is the only Q player in the last 15 years to be drafted first overall? Perhaps I have a misinformed opinion that an NHL General Manager struggling to pick up players wouldn’t take a chance with late picks and undrafted signings of Q players if they were in fact, good enough to play and start in the NHL?

    Than we can move on to what I think of professional hockey scouts. I don’t seem to believe they’d all completely write off one of only three major junior leagues in Canada and dismiss everyone there as second-rate and useless due to prejudice and not respect and report on the talent there and say why these players should be drafted. If a scout can find a few gems, he can make his career, which is why I doubt scouts assigned to the QMJHL just say “Eff this place, I’m not going to try and find any talent here or I’m just going to say these guys get lucky”. Unprofessional scouts don’t last long because they can’t apply their professional focus to find talent. You’re in charge of a scouting region and four, five, six players get drafted 10 spots after where your team did and they turn out to be all great players, you could get sacked pretty easily.

    If anyone here thinks I’m prejudiced against the talent in my province of birth and I’ve let myself become deluded into believing the whitewash of a bigoted conspiracy to keep Quebecois players out of the NHL, that’s fine but I’m not taking it lying down.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • habs-hampton says:

      I’ve seen Philips play many times, and I’m not sure he is what we need right now. I wouldn’t call him overrated and he has improved steadily over the last 2 years, but he doesn’t play like he’s 6′ 1″, and we need that very soon.

      • DearyLeary says:

        I don’t agree with the ‘draft to your needs’ philosophy. Most players, even first rounders, are going to take 1-3 years to develop into a regular NHL player. In that span of time whether through earlier draft picks, free agency, an unexpected career renaissance etc. your team’s needs might change.

        Also drafting to your needs doesn’t always produce the best results. Not all draft picks turn out, and if you’re banking on a particular prospect to fill a gap in your team, then you’re SOL if they don’t develop on the pace you want them to.

        I’m more of a ‘draft the best player available’ type. You can always make room for talented youngsters on your team (like PK proved two playoffs ago and in this season). Players like Pacioretty took some time, but he was vaulted immediately into a first/second line player when he came up from the farm (and produced like one to boot).

        I like Phillips, and I’ve had a brief twitter discussion with SF over his status in this year’s draft, and my likes when it comes down to Phillips come down to some key things:

        I think he has good skills, and while his skating isn’t the best, I like his instincts on the ice. He goes to traffic areas, but he can also play in space well. From either position he can distribute, and while he doesn’t play like a thumper, he uses his body well to protect possession. This is my ideal kind of center.

        More importantly he had a leadership role on a Memorial Cup winning team. He had a huge final game, and I thought he was solid throughout the tournament (despite a low point production). I think leading in a winning environment is important experience, and it’s very difficult to find that kind of experience, and I believe that scouts don’t value it as highly as they should.

        My reference point for winning leaders in our organization is Josh Gorges. He was the Captain for the Kelowna Rockets when they won the Mem Cup. He went undrafted, and was treated as a throwin piece in the Craig Rivet deal (which also brought us Patches, awful deal eh Bob haters?). While I’ll never confuse Josh with a #1-2 dman, he’s a rock solid second pairing Dman, strong, mobile, moves the puck well, sacrifices for team mates etc.

        While Phillips won’t go early in the draft because of some questions as to his technical ability, I think that his compete level, and the ability to show he can score at a high level are important aspects for a player. He would likely be drafted in the first two rounds even if he hadn’t won a Memorial Cup (which Gorges wasn’t).

        That experience of being on a winning track is a valuable commodity, and I wouldn’t be disappointed with a pick of Phillips at 17th.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hey Serious, I have not seen enough of Phillips to comment directly on him. But whenever a player is drafted high and his linemate was a Junior player of the year caution must be exercised. One only has to look back at the infamous Rob Pearson draft choice by Toronto Maple Leafs. Guy put up huge Junior numbers playing with Eric Lindros, but couldn’t do anything without him in the NHL. Granted he was on a horrible Leaf team.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      You’ve set up enough straw men to ice a hockey team.

      * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • TomNickle says:

      Phillips has elite passing ability. And that’s just about it. He does have an adequate shot although his accuracy isn’t up to par.

      He kind of fits right around where he’s ranked. He could probably be a little bit lower. I have a bigger problem with Landeskog at #2 than I do with Phillips at #15.

  27. habs-hampton says:

    Ok, Boone, you’ve been very gracious to the B’s for the last while, but enough is enough.

    When you win 3 series in 7 games and 2 of the game 7′s by 1 goal, you have an edge.

    I won’t argue the the B’s have a good team (7th in the regular season), but when that little edge comes from outside the locker room, well, something is afoot.

    You can look at the things that happened this year involving the B’s one at a time, and you may or may not have an issue with the individual decisions. In isolation, its like a coin flip. But when the coin always lands heads up, you start to wonder.

    When you look at ALL of the issues this year you see a pattern. Almost every decision went in the B’s favor. I know, Marchand was suspended earlier this year as was Paille (I think). But those were easy calls to marginal players.

    When you add it all up from Chara on MaxPac, and Rome getting suspended for a similar incident, to Campbell ruling on games that don’t involve the B’s (ALL games affect ALL teams), to Murphy calling Burke for advice on the Rome hit, to the Ference finger, to the Ference shoulder on Halpern, to Lucic suckering Hedman, to Horton ‘s hit on Downie (and Downie getting a diving penalty), something is very wrong.

    And the media is defending these clowns. “This is the way to build a team”. No, this is what the early 70′s were like, when you could goon your way to wins.

    And now the owner of the B’s gives Bettman a multi-year extension and a huge raise. I doubt it was performance based. Any other CEO would be canned after the southern-USA experiment.

    Mike, pleeeeease stop building these guys up. I come on this site to talk about the Habs. Let’s get back to it.

    • TomNickle says:

      They’re the Champs, get used to it.

      • Favorite Son says:

        Some of these guys are acting like sore losers…

        • TomNickle says:

          I’m a sore loser too but I’m not going to bitch about articles or references to the Stanley Cup Champions regardless of how much work the league offices did to get them to the Finals. Just saying that we’re gonna here about it until somebody else wins the Cup. Nature of the best. They’ve had to hear about 24 Cups, we’ve only had to hear about 6.

      • issie74 says:

        Tom … I think you are preaching manners to the wrong people.

        When Andy Brinkley says and they had to climb over the hated Montreal Canadians to win,I am shocked.I would expect that kind of comment from his partner Jack Edwards but Brinkley was a player in this league.I would think he would show a little respect to the players who don the Jersey for the Habs.

        NorthTOHab

    • savethepuck says:

      Ditto, Ditto, Ditto

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

    • Bugs says:

      Gotta agree top to bottom.
      I thought we were all cool with the appellation “scum” or “scumbags” to define these guys; I don’t understand why that hasn’t become a staple to tell you the truth.
      Granted, it might’ve been amended to “pizz-garbage lucky Stanley Cup Raffle-winning champion scumbags” but the nucleus remains: undeserving and weak, not a real team, only lucky to have more guys who showed up in the Finals (I counted 4) than Couver (I counted 2).
      TB had only 1 line and Philly had neither a GOALIE nor Pronger.
      Need I repeat that without our top 2 d-men and arguably, one of our most productive forwards in OUR series, they needed 3 outta their 4 wins in OT with the ultimate game having benefited from a go-ahead goal off a spear to the throat and an uncalled head-shot on Halpie that would given us a 5 min major?
      When TB beat us on the road to THEIR Cup, they KICKED our azz. When the Caners (ptui!) beat us on the road to THEIR Cup, they stepped up and took the series OVER when they were down.
      Boston? Pizz-garbage luck they made it out alive.
      Conclusion: not a real team.
      Lucky-lucky-lucky; all it was.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        In some years, like when the Pens and Wings play in the finals, you know the two best teams in the world are playing for the Stanley Cup.

        This year, Vancouver was an elite team for a while until they were stung by injuries and maybe running out of gas.

        Boston, however, did have some luck for sure.

        Crosby and Malkin were out so the Pens were done.

        Philadelphia, like you said was without Pronger for the most part and Leighton was not in there playing like he did a year ago, good enough to get by.

        And of course our Habs without Pacioretty, Markov and Gorges.

        Some years the cup winner gets help and other years they don’t.

        I think Boston did this year.

      • Mr_MacDougall says:

        Not to mention Ryder highsticked the puck right after the spear to the throat.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      As much as I hate conspiracy theories – If you put a video montage together of everything the Bruins were not suspended for and it’s astonishing with what they got away with during the 2010/11 regular and post season.

  28. Habs fan in SF says:

    wow, rough to see marc savard interviewed saying he’s got memory issues. kinda puts things in real terms as far as what concussions do to you. this is serious sh*t

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      It is pretty ironic when you think of Bergeron, Savard and Horton all now having concussions. Some worse than others.

      Live by the sword die by the sword.

      I wonder if because Boston always chosses to play a rough game that it places their own players in danger because other teams try and hit back twice as hard, when they get the chance?

  29. WindsorHab-10 says:

    Parade or not, I still hate those bastards.
    As for the B’s being good for a while, they’ll be as good as Thomas lets them be. He’s the reason they won. Otherwise I was not too impressed with the team. Brad Marchand will be a marked man next season for all the dirty tricks he has up his sleeve. Someone will make him pay.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

    • Favorite Son says:

      You’ve got to be kidding, the Bruins won this as a team. Yes, Thomas was a huge part of it, but so was Bergeron, Marchand, Horton, Chara, Seidenberg, even Ference and Boychuck stepped it up in the playoffs, even Recchi contributed…look, this is a very solid team and they won this fair and square. Enough with the conspiracies too, please.

  30. CHsam says:

    Alright that’s enough monkey business around here.

    Scott Gomez for Phil Kessel. Straight UP!

  31. Beaco says:

    Who do you like in the draft?

    • Bill J says:

      The best player available when the Habs pick.
      :P … But seriously, with Leblanc & Kristo coming up soon. This pick will likely join them in Montreal, along with Price, Subban, Tinordi… So whoever the best one when the Habs show up to the podium is sensible, with that core…

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Order of preference:

      C Mark Scheifele of the Barrie Colts, 22G, 53A in his rookie OHL season, on about the worst team in the OHL. 6’2″, hard to move off the puck, good shot and very strong on the puck and he’s got plenty of room to grow physically.

      RW Nicklas Jensen of the Oshawa Generals, 29G, 29A in his rookie season in the OHL, which was also his first year on NA ice. Also posted 7G, 4A in 10 playoff games. 6’2″, Has one of the better shots in the draft, is strong on the puck and has potential for a very good power game.

      C Jonathan Miller, 11G, 26A with the US NTDP and their top player at the US Under-18s with 4G, 9A in 6 games. Plays a very hard nosed style and willing to take a hit to make a play. Two-way forward and is already very physically strong. Good shot and playmaking instincts.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Beaco says:

        What’s your take on Oleksiak(sp?) the giant Swede Stay at home D and Vladislav Namestnikov the Russian? I’ve seen them ranked at 22 and 17 respectively.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Oleksiak is American (Or is he Canadian?) There’s issues about his dual-citizenship choice for which National squad to play for. If MTL didn’t have Tinordi and were looking to add a towering D, he could arguably have a higher potential than Tinordi but not a definite future as a two-way man. I can’t say I’m a huge fan of adding him in with 2012 looking to be a stronger year for drafting defencemen and the uncertainly of him being a two-way D.

          Namestnikov I have seen rated in the 1st and 2nd rounds depending upon the scout, Puck Prospectus and Future Considerations like him as a 1st-round talent, said to be an excellent playmaker with elite vision, strong shot as well and goes hard to the net but concerns are he’s physically weak ATM and there are concerns about his defensive acumen. From following the London Knights on Twitter (Due to Tinordi playing there) he seemed to be one of their best players all season. I don’t think he’s on MTL’s radar but his skill set is nice.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Whoever told you that Namestnikov’s defense abilities are lacking is dead wrong. Couldn’t be more wrong.

          • Beaco says:

            Thanks for the info. Informative, as your posts tend to be.

      • TomNickle says:

        Not knocking your list or anything here Robert but Scheifele addresses an immediate organizational need, only problem is that Scheifele has at least two years of junior left and we have plenty of puck distributors on the roster now and plenty in the pipeline. We need goal scorers, not guys who pass the puck really well. We’re also overloaded with right handed shooting forwards in the organization in terms of prospects. With those thoughts in mind I would forget about Miller in the same breath even though he’s a lefty.

        People probably won’t get excited about this but there’s a very real possibility that Vladislav Namestnikov falls to us at 17. He’s shown a dedication to playing in North America. Slava Kozlov is his uncle(bloodlines are always good). Plays with Jarred Tinordi in London and was elite offensively this season and has plenty of room for growth at 6’0 and 160.

        Namestnikov and Jensen offer the biggest upside at forward where the Habs are picking in my opinion. Joe Morrow, Tomas Jurco and Boone Jenner are also strong possibilities. Although I would stay clear of Jenner if I were Gauthier.

        • scrowe21 says:

          I agree with everything you just said. Im hoping for Jensen.. just nervous he might turn out to be a Pouliot..

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Scheifele has a good shot though Tom, scouts think he doesn’t shoot enough but they rate his shot very well and he can learn to shoot more. I think he has a very good potential with his skill set and I’d only say of our Top 4 offensive prospects (Avtsin, Kristo, Leblanc, Gallagher) only Kristo seems to have a great passing talent so really, Scheifele would be a good addition IMO. We are also short Cs with a Top-6 upside so that’s a bonus, I’d hate to think something will happen to Eller or Pleks but hell, Koivu’s first knee injury killed a lot of his potential…

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Scheifele doesn’t shoot enough because he’s only recently made the transition to forward since he was a defenseman through minor bantam. He certainly does have good potential but much like Jon McFarland, when a player produces good offensive numbers, but not great numbers on a bad team, it’s often the result of garbage time goals when the opposing team’s feet are off the gas so to speak. Scheifele also lacks strong skating skill.

            As for top six centreman. That’s a crap shoot. Always is. We have plenty of centreman in the organization and while you can’t have too many, we are in desperate need of scoring left handed shooters and good two way left handed defensemen.

            On passing talent, Leblanc’s passing ability is borderline elite, don’t know why you ignored that. I won’t chalk it up to a hatred of Quebec born players ;)

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I know MTL has a lot of Cs, but most of them at best are projecting as checking line centres and frankly I’d like to have another option at that position. I get the sentiments behind a scoring winger of course, but for me, I just think Scheifele has a lot to offer.

            The issue for me with Leblanc is he has been critiqued this year for offensive creativity and while I’m sure he can throw a pass and he made several very nice plays in the WJC, I’m thinking of high-end playmaking and creativity is a big part of playmaking at the NHL level, I still think like a couple of Habs fans and prospect followers that I chatted with say about him, he looks more like a winger than a centre.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            Well if you’re thinking of high end playmaking and concede that we have a strong need for goal scoring in addition, Namestnikov fits the bill perfectly. All he has to do is add mass and strength.

            The sky is the limit with this kid and the Habs would be ill advised in not taking a hard look at him.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            But you’re recommending a …gasp! Russian! Run for the hills Tom, they’ll run you out of town for suggesting such a thing. You know we can’t trust those guys ;-)

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • TomNickle says:

            I know, haha. What am I thinking?

          • Beaco says:

            “Subban to Namestnikov to Avtsin! SCORES! And the Montreal Canadiens have beaten the Boston Bruins and are headed to the Stanley Cup Finals” A boy can dream, can’t he?

        • Beaco says:

          I’ve read that Namestnikov is something of a raw Datysuk in terms of skill set. I’m intrigued.

          • TomNickle says:

            Datsyuk is an exaggeration. But I feel Datsyuk is the most well rounded player in the league and has been for five years. He’s elite offensively in terms of skills, his release is elite, his puck handling is elite and his passing is elite. He needs to get stronger, but that is literally the only flaw to his game, and the sky is the limit with everything else. He’s definitely worth the risk at 17 because he possesses top 5 talent.

        • issie74 says:

          To tell you the truth I loved what I saw from Tomas Jurco in the playoffs.He looks nifty.

          NorthTOHab

      • scrowe21 says:

        I dunno about JT Miller.. I don’t think he will be nearly as good offensively as either of those 2.. but ya never know.

      • JasonM says:

        I hope Jensen is available when its the Habs turn.

    • Habs fan in SF says:

      prolly some american d-man. who else do we pick?

  32. Habs fan in SF says:

    we need toughness. so sick of our softies. we saw the most talented twins in the world fail. wake up ghost! add some good role players and some grit. don’t be afraid to send gomer down to hamilton. give ryan white some freedom to get dirty. i’m still pissed about the b’s game where they made us look like little girls. wake up, martin!

  33. HabFanSince72 says:

    Does anyone know how many concussions there were in the playoffs this year?

    The final series featured one concussion with on ice loss of consciousness and one broken spine.

    I recall Bergeron and Seabrook getting concussed.

    Must have been more.

  34. Habs fan in SF says:

    as much as i HATE the beak marchand and his chirppy yapper, he delivered and he’s 5’09″. that tells me our smurfs need to step it up a notch

  35. HardHabits says:

    Year Boston Montreal
    2010-2011 7th 14th
    2009-2010 14th 19th
    2008-2009 2nd 13th
    2007-2008 15th 3rd
    2006-2007 23rd 19th
    2005-2006 26th 15th
    2003-2004 4th 13th
    2002-2003 15th 20th
    2001-2002 2nd 18th

    Middle of the pack remains middle of the pack. With very little deviation. 2007-2008 was an anomaly for the Habs.

    Better to sink in to the 21st – 30th spot once in a while and trade players for picks to build up the prospect pool. Then a team can make a trade for something worth while rather than shifting around the deck chairs on the Titanic every year.

    • Bugs says:

      Tank! Tank! Tank!
      Right, Double-H?
      Manoman, and here I thought we done gone cured you of that…

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • ZepFan2 says:

      No Tank, you.

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    • Mr_MacDougall says:

      Price and Subban weren’t good enough picks? When did the Bruins, Flyers, Red Wings, Sharks, or Canucks tank?

    • savethepuck says:

      When the Habs Tank, I give up my RDS subscription. Not acceptable for this organization

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  36. Neutral says:

    call the Bruins dirty if you want, they’re only as dirty as the Refs allow them. if you wanna win a cup follow what management has done in Boston. good D, good scoring, good goaltending can play tough and as Dirty as the Refs allow them. every team will do what they can get away with and that’s why the Bruins were successful. Vancouver too soft, couldn’t score, scared of getting hit, and weak Goaltending.

  37. novahab says:

    The Conn Smtyhe voting was so very close this year. First was floppy ,second was Brad the Rat Marchand and third was Colin Campbell. Would have been nice to see Colin win it he worked so hard all year to get the Bruins where they are.

  38. novahab says:

    Will Colin Campbell’s name go on the Cup with the rest of the Bruims. Say what you want but this Cup victory has a dark cloud hovering over it. Can any one say Ben Johnson a cheater is a cheater.

  39. Hobie Hansen says:

    The Philadelphia Flyers are in big trouble with the cap. There’s no way they can sign UFAs Bryzgalov and Leino without shedding salary by making a trade. So if they want to actually have good goaltending for once they’re going to be forced to trade Carter or somebody.
    Richards would never be available, Briere is not what we need but maybe the Habs could offer Philadelphia their first pick or a combination of prospects and a pick for Cater, Hartnell or Leino?

    • HardHabits says:

      No way. I’d rather the Habs draft Zack Phillips.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        Are you related to Zack Phillips or something?

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • otter649 says:

          I read somewhere (Hockey News ?) did a mock draft & Had Montreal taking Zack Phillips in their draft for what it is worth (not much)……lol

        • HardHabits says:

          Who do you propose the Habs pick?

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            I think his production was seriously boosted by playing with Huberdeau and I don’t like his skating reports and I don’t think he’ll bring an effective physical impact game either.

            As I’ve mentioned, Mark Scheifele out of Barrie, who had a very good season on the worst team in the OHL, a great Under-18 showing and is credited for being hard to knock off the puck while having a good shot and playmaker’s instincts as well. I also like Nicklas Jensen out of Oshawa, one of the best shots in the draft group and he’s only playing his first year on NA ice. Jonathan Miller out of the US NTDP has a power forward potential in him with solid skills to match them.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            “I think his production was seriously boosted by playing with Huberdeau ”
            Other way around dude.

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            First time I’ve heard that Sean, or is my ultra-secret prejudice against the QMJHL flashing up, even though I’d love for MTL to land Huberdeau in some spectacular deal to move up in the draft?

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Not your prejudice this time, just your ignorance and deference to the opinions of prejudiced people

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            My deferrence to professional scouts whose job it is to find the best possible players in junior hockey and recommend their potential?

            If the Q was producing star players, they would be happily drafted by NHL teams and if scouts ignored them out of prejudice, others would not and recommend them and then make the other teams look bad. Detroit managed this strategy for a good long time with Europe, you think people are so completely bigoted towards Quebec they would ignore the province that produced some of the greatest players the game ever saw and try to keep them out of the NHL? I’m sorry but that is utter madness. A team would happily draft this discriminated-against players and build an elite team.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Sean Bonjovi says:

            Your option are to discuss:
            1. Zach Phillips
            2. Your misinformed opinions
            3. Prejudice of professional hockey scouts
            4. All of the above
            5. None of the above

            If you chose any of the first 4 options, take it to the top of the page, but try to be concise.

            * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

      • scrowe21 says:

        I would be very disappointed with Zack Phillips at 17th..

        • HardHabits says:

          I would be very disappointed if the Habs don’t pick Zack Phillips at 17th. Who do you propose?

          • scrowe21 says:

            Jensen, Puempel, Armia, Jurco. Phillips is overrated.. His favorite team is also the Maple Leafs.. not that it matters..just sayin..

          • habstrinifan says:

            If they havent been able to pluck anyone ranked higher, I would take a look at Brandon Saad from Saginaw, OHL.

            Take a look at his bio and comment please. I think he is a much better pick than Phillips. If anything Phillips reminds me of Alexander Daigle physical make-up and I dont see that as a plus. I hate to be so callos evaluating a young man but just speaking simply as to which is the better prospect.

      • Sean Bonjovi says:

        Zach Phillips is basically the young curly-haired Scott Gomez, but he can score goals too. I mean that as a compliment.

        * Ville Leino would make Sergei Samsonov look like Alex Kovalev *

    • 24 Cups says:

      I’d trade for Carter in a heartbeat. He won’t come cheap and if it’s true that Columbus would offer their 8th pick along with Voracek, then I’m afraid we’re out of the running.

      Carter for our 1st, Kristo and Tinordi is a deal I could live with.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        What is the fascination with Carter Steve? I get that he’s big and has those goal-scoring hands that MTL could use but in the post-season, his numbers are not impressive and he is not a very physical player.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          He had more goals this year (36) than any Hab in the past 15 years (Pierre Turgeon and Vincent Damphousse had 38 in 1995-96).

          Big and goal scoring isn’t enough?

          The problem is Philly need to shed salary so they would want prospects and/or picks. We have neither (which is bad news in itself).

          Tinordi and Kristo as 24c suggests are borderline to ever play in the NHL at this point. No way Philly accepts that deal.

          The only players we have that have low salaries and have decent potential are Pacioretty and Eller.

          • Habs fan in SF says:

            he’s a 25 goal scorer 60 pt guy under jacques’ regime. which i’m sad to admit, would have led the habs in scoring last season

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            You know who’s got a couple 50-goals on his resume? Heatley, would you like him and his heartless ways? Just because Carter can score goals in the RS doesn’t mean he’s an answer to everything we need when he can’t even throw 60 hits as a C or score regularly in the post-season, oh and be tied to him for 12 years.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            Philly would take LeBlanc or Tinordi for any of those players, in my books. They’d even take a combination our 17th pick and a good prospect.

            They’re probably wishing some of their current players were UFAs so they could just dump them. So I’m sure they’d be happy to get good prospects or picks back at this point?

            However, I wouldn’t trade Tinordi!

            I’d probably trade LeBlanc and maybe even our first pick for Carter. I’d give something fairly big up for Hartnell as well.

        • 24 Cups says:

          Robert – I guess it’s got something to do with my AK46 hangover.

          Carter is just 26 so he should be golden for the next 6 or 7 years. He would be a perfect one-two punch with Pleks. He scores goals and can help the PP. He’s right handed. DobberHockey has him rated in the top 12 picks for long term offensive potential. He would be the true star centre in Montreal, no fighting over ice time with Richards and Giroux. Gomez drops to the 3rd line and then leaves after next year so the coin is covered. Carter has an 11 year contract which may be scary, but he comes in at 5.3M which is perfect. The physical play will come from other guys who make less money.

          I’m just throwing it out there.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            While making my comments I didn’t realize Carter’s contract was for that long of a term, hummmmm.

            I think he’s a bit better than Cammalleri at a bit lower of a hit but I hate those long contracts.

      • HardHabits says:

        The Habs are not going to acquire anybody like Carter while Gomez is a Hab. Forget all this nonsense speak.

        We’re stuck with what we got.

        Like I said. The Habs need to acquire another top 6 forward, a bruising take no prisoners defence-man and have to bulk up the 4th line and make it a shut-down line. Lastly the PK forwards have to be their 3rd and 4th lines for the most part, at the very least Plex, Cammy, Gio and Gomez should only get limited PK duty.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Even with Gomez, Montreal could bring in a player like the ones I mentioned. It would maybe mean sacrificing bringing in two $2 million players for the 3rd line or defense though.

          My main point though, was mentioning that the Fleyers no matter what will be looking to deal a talented player. If they do the smart thing and sign Bryzgalov.

          And I do tend to agree with your blueprint for a solid team.

  40. habitude says:

    I can’t stand them and will never, ever cheer for them but I have no trouble admitting that the Bruins will be a very strong team for years to come. With Bergeron, Krejci, Seguin, Lucic, Marchand and Rask, they’ve got a solid young core and players like Chara and Thomas will still be very good for a few years to come in all likelihood. On top of that, they have the 9th overall pick and upwards of $10 million in cap space for the coming year (according to an article I read the other day). The reporter also noted that they only have four free agents — the retiring Dr. Recchi and Kaberle (who’s unlikely to be re-signed) among them. Gotta give Chiarelli his props.

  41. habs001 says:

    while we may not like boychuk,ference,mcquad and seidenberg they were a big key for boston…they were able to pinch regularly and keep the puck in the opposition zone…to do this well you have to be able to take a lot of punishment game in game out and i am pretty sure spacek,gill, gorges and markov cannot provide this type of play..hopefully yemelin can do some of this…

  42. Habs fan in SF says:

    although i think the habs are far from being a cup winner, we were so close to beating the bruins. anything is possible in the stanley cup playoffs. we have some bad contracts to wait out (gomez, cough cough) but i hope martin changes his coaching style and allows more freedom to our forwards and allows more grit on our 3rd and 4th lines

  43. _Habsoloutly_ says:

    Hopefully the cup engraver makes another typo and accidently puts an asterisk by the Boston Bruins.

  44. Habs fan in SF says:

    this parade is really boring. tim thomas is the only bruin i like

    • _Habsoloutly_ says:

      You like Tim Thomas? Did you like it when he called PK Subban a “travesty to the game of hockey”? After all the crap the scumbag Bruins did all season and the playoffs, and that dirtbag had the nerve to call PK Subban a travesty. Rot in hell Thomas.

      • DearyLeary says:

        Hear hear!

      • Habs fan in SF says:

        agreed, but out of all the scumbags on the bruins (chara, RECCHI, lucic, MARCHAND, ference) he’s the most down to earth and likable. hey, i don’t love the guy, i wanted carey price to deck him when he had him at his mercy, but if anything, this bruins cup win should light a fire under the ghost’s arse to do something about this roster

      • issie74 says:

        Y es and this same guy told Loungo H wold be a good goalie someday,he is very lucky Loungo didn’t haul off and whack him.
        Big Dope.

        NorthTOHab

  45. Caballero says:

    I don’t know if I am the only person here who watches games in French, but I think Brunet leaving is a good thing. He was improving a lot, but he was too much of a cheerleader, and he often would jinx the team by showering praise. I think I heard him saying Price will get a shutout when there was plenty of time left in the 3d. Who does that? I would just be touching wood throughout his commentary.

  46. habs001 says:

    looks like we have 8 forwards that will be on the team for sure (plecks,gion,camm,gomez,ak46,eller,darche,maxpac)…that leaves 4 starting forward positions for dd,pouliot,white,moen,pyatt and halpern…if they sign an ufa(i have a feeling they will not) thats 7 forwards for 4 spots and basically gives no chance for a suprise player to make the team during training camp. looks like martin and gauthier may have to make decisions on players that they love and worked with but are not the the type you can make a cup run with…

  47. habs001 says:

    looks like halpern is gone so i wonder who will be our faceoff centre when we have to win key draws in our zone or in the oppositions zone? plecks and gomez have shown to lose big draws at key movements regularly..

    • Mike D says:

      I’ve been wondering that too. Not only was Halpy our key faceoff guy, he was also our only RH Centre.

      - Honestly yours

      • Mikey_39 says:

        Probably Andreas Engqvist

        • Mike D says:

          That’s IF he’s ready to make the jump and actually be effective. From what I understand, it’s questionable that he’s “there yet”.

          I certainly hope he is cuz we could definitely use his size, and I hope he can carry his faceoff winning percentage from the Bulldogs last season with him.

          - Honestly yours

          • patience is a virtue says:

            i think they’re gonna leave room for him to give it a shot.

            tougher question is what to do with DD, who many argue is not suited to centre the fourth line o’ grinders. 22 points in 43 rookie games playing 3rd and 4th line minutes = we gotta hold on to him, but where does he play? wing with Eller?

          • Mikey_39 says:

            Ya, 6foot4, 200 pounds, right hand shot and I think he would fit JMs defensive system perfectly. I think he’ll be given a fair chance (i.e more than 2 games like most prospects get) to prove himself in the lineup if he has a good camp

          • Mike D says:

            @ Mikey_39 – I’m with ya buddy. I REALLY hope he can be ready come October cuz we could definitely use a player with his attributes and skill set. Just sayin’ he’s not a lock for it by any means. If he does make it, he makes both Pyatt and Halpern expendible, which helps clear up the bottlneck we currently have on our bottom 6.

            @ patience – re: DD, he’s definitely not suited to 4th line duty. I would say he completely outplayed Eller last year, but Lars is bigger and younger which should mean more potential. I would use DD as a winger for sure either on the 3rd line, or perhaps even try him on the top line with Pleks and Cammy (yes I know that would make for a very small 1st line).

            - Honestly yours

    • Habs fan in SF says:

      does it matter? it seems like jacques martin didn’t use halpern in key faceoff situations anyways

      • Mike D says:

        Not sure I agree with that – I remember seeing him take key draws quite often. Halpern was actually in the faceoff circle to take the draw in what turned out to be the final play of the Habs playoffs….but he was kicked out by the ref (for no good reason) and then Pleks lost the draw.

        - Honestly yours

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That is interesting. I think you pretty much have to hope that Gomez, Plekanec and Eller get on a roll in the faceoff circle early on in the season and keep it going.

      I know Desharnais is pretty good, just don’t know where he plays next year though? And I wouldn’t mind if the Habs were given a fresh look on the bottom six by deleting guys like Pyatt and Halpern. Plus Halpen is gettin up there and finished the playoffs by getting a concussion.

  48. Hobie Hansen says:

    Overall, even though we’re small; I’m satisfied with the management of this team. I don’t proclaim to know who exactly was available when we signed Cammallerri, Gomez and Gionta but I’m assuming they were just about the best players available when the Habs pulled the trigger. And just because they’re not exactly giants, I think that picking the best player available, forgetting about their size or maybe nationality, is the best choice. There are always exceptions of course.

    I’m sure Gauthier is well aware that things have shifted again and the “NEW” NHL has begun to revert back to an extremely physical game and the majority of teams have found a way to impose their will physically again, while “USUALLY” playing within the rules.

    Instead of clutching and grabbing there’s more targeting star players with huge hits and trying to wear people down, especially in the playoffs where it counts.

    Anyway, the Habs have picked up on this and that was evident when they drafted Tinordi, acquired Schultz in the Halak deal and brought up White from Hamilton last season. Gauthier even traded for Mara at the deadline to do a little patch work before the regular season ended.

    With the draft and free agency rapidly approaching, I can’t wait to see what unfolds.

    Honestly, if they signed Jagr, I’d be totally cool with it. I don’t think he’d disrupt the chemistry and adding him and Pacioretty back to the offense would be very impressive. Not to mention everyone on the backend playing healthy.

    However, they do need another forward besides White and Moen that can play a very physical game on the bottom six. They could also go the route of adding a towering, tougher than Gill, defenseman who can play a reliable 16mins a game.

    With those adjustments, I think we’re as good as anybody!

    • issie74 says:

      Jagr would have to be reborn to be anything different than he always has been,he would not be good with veterans who are hardworking nor would he be good with the kids.

      Please No Jagr

      NorthTOHab

  49. Would like for the Habs have a shot at Jamie Oleksiak as their NO. 1 pick. Imagine him and Jarred Tinordi on D in a couple of years as a pairing? TWIN TOWERS!!!!

    • DearyLeary says:

      That’s if they pan out. People act like first round choices are always a home run. You have to adjust your expectations for the draft.

    • Beaco says:

      He and Vladislav Namestnikov are on my wish list. Yes he’s another Left handed center but “Raw Datysuk”, as he’s been referred to? Yes please.

  50. Habs fan in SF says:

    wow. i wake up on the west coast and turn on the television with a hangover and i’m watching the bruins cup parade. i like torture!

  51. DearyLeary says:

    Here’s hoping their cars/floats spontaneously combust. If not the C4 I planted should do nicely.

  52. HardHabits says:

    Boone’s article failed to mention Tyler Seguin.

  53. ths says:

    Whose watching the parade ? Got it on here

    Ooh Aah Habs on the war path

  54. SeriousFan09 says:

    How can there be a million Bruins fans when they couldn’t even sell out their arena in the playoffs?

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Biggest bandwagon jumpers in hockey.

    • Jim Edson says:

      Someone said “free beer”!

      ———————————————————————-
      …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

      Who am I: Mohamar Ghadaffi or Gary Bettman.

  55. Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

    There are rumours that the Islanders are willing to trade the 5th overall pick. That could mean Sean Couturier. How about 17th overall+Kristo+Weber+Pouliot for the 5th overall and maybe a 2nd or 3rd rounder?

    Not enough? I would love to get Couturier if it is somehow possible. His two-way play is apparently quite good, and he started last year with Mono and still put up 96 points in the Q. Having Couturier and Leblanc would be nice.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Not remotely enough. I don’t think they’re looking to trade a 5th for spare parts. Unfortunately the Habs have precisely two assets that other teams might want. Three if you include Max Pac.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        I get the feeling that people are over-estimating the value of picks 5-10 right now though. This draft may have several GOOD players in it, but it seems like there are NO blue-chippers. There is no consensus on who the number one pick SHOULD be. It seems like it will be Nugent-Hopkins, but some people think it should be Larsson, last year it was Couturier, etc.

        I think that if a team could add a good prospect like Kristo (former 2nd-rounder), an NHL-ready power-play defenseman, a former 4th overall pick AND a mid-first-rounder in this draft, they would definitely be getting quite a bit for a 5th overall pick in a draft that seems to be devoid of a blue-chip prospect.

        If these picks are SO valuable, how come it sounds like New Jersey, the Islanders and the Blue Jackets are willing to trade them. Shouldn’t those teams keep the pick then? I think depth is important, and a team like the Islanders would benefit from adding the players I mentioned, whereas those players don’t necessarily fit into our long-term plans.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          These teams are likely testing the waters, seeing if they can get a team to overcommit on payment for a pick, it’s not a bad strategy. If someone will give you more than that pick is worth, go for it.

          I’d say the Top-10 of the draft are certainly capable of being blue-chippers, a lot of solid skill and talent just not quite on the level of the last few drafts. Huberdeau looks to me to be capable of great things, he seems to have that clutch scoring instinct.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            So, what do you think the 5th pick is worth? Keep in mind it is the Islanders, as run by Garth Snow.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            NYI would likely want our 1st, an established player and a prospect like Weber by my estimate, perhaps extra.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

            Deal. 17th overall, Gomez, Weber, and I’ll even throw in Pouliot for the 5th overall pick. Lol.

            I laugh, but I actually do think Gomez could be a good fit for the Islanders. They have a young team and a Cup-winning veteran like Gomez could be good for them, especially since Doug Weight will be leaving.

          • issie74 says:

            SF09 – there is only one GM in this league that I know of who will deal first round picks and he has already dealt his first round pick to Boston.LOL

            I don’t see Garth Snow dealing any time soon.Could be wrong but don’t see it.

            NorthTOHab

  56. mrhabby says:

    one of the highlights of the final broadcast ..bettman getting booed of the ice at rogers arena…

  57. knuckle05 says:

    You guys must all be rolling over in your graves!

    BRUINS 2011 STANLEY CUP CHAMPS!

    You’re witnessing the beginning of the next hockey dynasty – and you should be grateful for the opportunity to have been a stepping stone on the path to glory.

    Hope you sign Jagr! I’m sure he’s the answer!

  58. 24 Cups says:

    “Bottom line on Weber/Parise: teams electing salary arbitration prohibits other teams from putting in offer sheet on the RFAs.” (Bob McKenzie’s Twitter)

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369291

    So I take it that the team can decide to offer a realistic long term package, or the player can go to arbitration and settle for one year which allows him to file for UFA the following season.

    Just imagine if the Habs had drafted Parise instead of AK46, and Weber instead of Urquhart in 2003….
    (I’m just being a smartass)

  59. habstrinifan says:

    “My main issue with the Habs brain trust is there doesn’t seem to be a plan. I have no idea what our identity is. Some of the deals made make no bloody sense. There’s no planning… O’Byrne is traded away (Somehow Picard beat him out…LOL) and then the Habs have to go searching for defensive depth who they trade a 4th, 5th and a prospect for.
    C’mon maaaan.”

    I quoted the above section from a jaybee post because the ‘reply limit’ had been reached and I wanted to comment.

    Totally woke me up Jaybee!

    From what I understood re Gorges, it was ‘known’ that he went into the season with the very real possibility that wear and tear will worsen his injury and cut his season short. So you had Markov down like at the first face-off. And you had the real risk of losing Gorges anytime during the season.

    And you trade AWAY O’Bryne for ???? instead of answering Larry Robinson’s call to come in and work with the defense.

    Like Jaybee said.. C’mon Maaaaaan!

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      really? you don’t think the Habs brain trust has a plan because they traded away O’Byrne, and then injuries to other defencemen after that trade, led to the need to acquire another d-man.

      maybe just maybe, they weren’t happy with the way O’Byrne was fitting into their plan, and saw the opportunity to grab an impressive prospect in Bournival.

      or maybe you guys are right, and they are just blindly moving personnel around with no plan or vision.

      • SmartDog says:

        When it comes to letting guys go, I go with option C. They’ve made some good pick-ups, but made even more giveaways.

      • habstrinifan says:

        No one answered the specific point made. Am I wrong or did PG know that Gorges was playing on a problematic whatever? And then poops down goes Markov. And they do NOTHING.. but oh yes.. trade O’Bryne.

        In the final analysis PG approached the entire season with the mindset which he himself stated… something about a guy fixing the hole in his roof.

        Planning?

        • JayBee says:

          Don’t expect anyone to answer it.

          Here’s what Gauthier’s plan was last year.

          “I’m going to trade a goalie, then sign a 7th D man and a forward to play on the 4th line and just hope this team can get into the playoffs the way it is”.

          I don’t really think the Habs’ goal is to win the cup. It’s to make the playoffs and hope&pray that they luck their way to a cup.

          Habs have been treading water the last few years. When do they start making moves to actually improve the current team? No point signing Gill if you’re not going to build a team to contend NOW!

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Because O’Byrne is a proven difference-maker, aside from the difference he makes in the number of delay of game penalties you have?

      And we traded Ben Maxwell? Boohoo, guy is an AHLer (Yes that was taken 1 pick before Lucic so let’s get that out of the way) but he’s not going to be much, ever.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Tony McLean says:

        Koivu was the weakest captain we ever had, look to your sig for reasons we’ve been in the wilderness so long.

        “Rebuilding since 1979.”

        • ooder says:

          Koivu captained the team at a point where it was more important to speak french then how you play hockey

          ——————
          Gomez: 36 and counting!

        • SmartDog says:

          WTF? You couldn’t be more wrong. Koivu picked this team up and dragged it behind him. He had the crappiest team in Mtl history under him and the reason he didn’t get shipped out like so many other captains is that he didn’t let it get to him. He was the same strong player year after year knowing his team had no shot at a Cup.
          He was a great player and a mensch who delivered.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          That’s about the weakest-minded remark I’ve ever read about a player who captained Finland to three Olympic Medal finishes, a Silver at the 2004 World Cup and a Silver and Bronze in IIHF play from a country that often has to compete via sheer will, intensity and teamwork due to a lack of many star players.

          Saku Koivu led Montreal in the toughest time in their entire history. Look at the rosters he played with, the fact that they won any playoff series at all for most of his time here is remarkable and in those instances, he carried them to those wins with his leadership and key scoring. The man was playing on a bad knee since his 2nd NHL season and endured many more injuries as he gave all he had to drag second and third-rate players to playoff berths when he was fortunate enough to have a goalie hanging around that could stop some pucks. He took all the abuse in the world while he was here, why weren’t we contending for the Cup? Why can’t he speak his 4th language very well? Why can’t he score 90 points on two bad knees? Oh and he was about the most philantrophic player the team’s ever had as well. What a bum…

          Koivu if anything embodied the spirit of the CH. He gave everything he had each night, battled injury to ridiculous ends at times to do what he could for the team to win, raised his game for the playoffs and never made excuses. I’m sorry if he offended you by being born in the wrong country or something like that.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            Too bad Koivu did all that. He dragged draft lottery teams into the play-offs, so rather than get some real choice players via the draft we had nothing but 15th place finishes (Finnishes?) year after year.

            I always liked Koivu the player. Koivu the Captain. Meh. Bad choice IMO, too early in his career.

            Anyways it wasn’t his fault. Blame management for touting the lie, the same one the brain-washed Habs fan repeat like a mantra. You know. Once you make the play-offs, anything can happen.

            Once management realizes that a team is built via the draft and not free agency we might have something to get excited about. Once they figure out that hockey is a man’s game and you can’t build a team with every one of the league’s smallest players we might have something to get excited about. I for one am tired of middle of the pack finishes year after year with quick play-off exits. Once the Habs make it into the top 10 in the league and stay there for a few years I’ll be happy. Since 1994 the Habs have placed in the top 10 once. ONCE!!!!!!!

            I would have much rather preferred a few lottery picks than a few home play-off games over the course of those fruitless years.

            The Koivu years were the Dark Ages. Best to forget them, and Koivu’s captaincy.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Must everything be about your precious lottery picks?

            It is important to remember the team’s dark times, so we do not repeat the same mistakes in the future, putting it all on 1-3 players and expecting glory in the process. Okay idea if you’re a NBA team, suicide for an NHL team. What Koivu did for his time was incredibly admirable, no reason to say ‘forget him, we should have been stocking up lottery picks instead and he ruined that’.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • issie74 says:

            Oh Yes – SF09 – Thank You.

            It takes more than that group to win anything.

            Blame it all on Koivu!

            NorthTOHab

        • 24 Cups says:

          I would have taken Koivu and Selanne over Gomez and Gionta any day of the week, regardless of the age difference.

    • Habfan4lfe says:

      O’byrne was just another player that JM didn’t like. Same way Latendresse is not there and Maxim. The longer JM is there, the more we lose.

    • issie74 says:

      Are you kidding me,the fans were all over O’Byrne …. Gainey got flack for keeping him.

      It dosen’t make sense I agree.He is traded to the Avs.boards a plane and plays as one of the opening defensive pair in Columbus.
      Never even had a practice with the team.

      Ticked me off I’ll tell you.

      That’s what I get for subscribing to the NHL package.I get to watch hockey every night.

      I cancelled my package when Pacioretti was almost killed by Chara,those bastards can sell their product to someone who cares,they will never get another cent out of me.

      Go Habs

      NorthTOHab

    • Neutral says:

      Oh, they have a plan. make the playoffs every year not much else though.

  60. Ian Cobb says:

    SUMMIT INFORMATION– Over the years many have travelled from as far as the Yukon, Calif, and Hong Kong to meet and great their fellow HIO community. Great weekend Summit planned for both young and old. Dates and game ticket prices at the end of July.

    Everyone be ready again this year to send me a money order for game seats as soon as the club notifies me at the end of July, as to price and sections available. If you are interested in better, but more expensive seats as well, we will be able to get them this year. Our HIO group is being given preferential treatment. We have a choice of how many seats and in better sections if we want them. Let me know after I get all the information.

    Every one is welcome to this years HIO Summit in Montreal, bring the whole family and meet your fellow HIO family members this year.

    I received two letters pertaining to our Annual Hockey Inside Out Fan Weekend Summit. One from Anna Gainey thanking us for our donation of $1200 again this past year to the Gainey Children’s Foundation. Hockey Inside Out Hab Fans have now raised over $5000 in total for this charity. We are a very generous group!

    I also received a letter from Reg Houle thanking us for our continued support. And that he will see us all at next years Summit

    And below I received a letter reminding us that the dates for our next years Summit will be out at the end of July. I will pick the best dates that gives us a game Friday at Hurley’s and Saturday at the Bell Center.
    (give me your suggestions, early in the season or later ?)

    So pay attention to the site so you do not miss out on 2012 Summit tickets that have to be paid and ordered well in advance.
    Some disappointed HIO people missed out on tickets last year because they were on summer vacation when we collected for the tickets and ordered them.

    I will repost this a few more times so more people will be informed.

    Dear Mr. Cobb,

    On behalf of the entire Canadiens organization, I would like to thank you for your support during this past hockey season. Gathering a group of fans for a game at the Bell Centre requires a lot of time on the part of the group organizer. To that end, your involvement is greatly appreciated.

    Though our playoff run was unfortunately too short, it was nevertheless exciting from start to finish. Pierre Gauthier and his team are already planning for next season and we feel we can build on a solid core of promising young players and talented veterans.

    At the end of July, we will forward to you the official home game calendar for the 2011-12 season and all the details regarding group sales and our ice rental programs. The information will also be available at the same time on our Web site, canadiens.com.

    I would like to take this opportunity to wish you a great summer – I’m looking forward to seeing you in September. Until then, please do not hesitate to communicate with me or our group sales team.

    Regards,
    Pierre Constant
    Director, Group Sales
    Club de hockey Canadien

  61. JF says:

    Agree about both Bruins and Habs. Bruins were the best team and the only one to stay healthy. Habs could, perhaps should, have beaten them, but wouldn’t have made it all the way. But I think we’re getting tougher and deeper.

    That said, there were many incidents during the regular season and playoffs involving Bruins players which show some of the problems facing the NHL; and the Bruins benefitted often from the League’s inconsistent and arbitrary disciplinary measures. This might even have been part of the reason they got to the Final. Once they got there, however, they deserved to win. They were the better team by a country mile.

    Enjoy the parade.

  62. Keith says:

    Hope it rains fire and locusts during the parade in Boston and they choke on the champagne.

  63. 12 days before the free agent deadline closes. Not a word being mentioned about the Habs UFA’s that are set to test the open market. Hope to hear some news soon about how management is going to deal with the signing of UFA’s/RFA’s?

    Who do you think the Habs will not signed or bring back for next season? Does Scott Gomez end up in the minors? Habs needs to beef up on the 3rd and 4th lines. Which RW you would like to see on the top line?

  64. 24 Cups says:

    Some people on the site are quick to criticize Mike Boone for posting threads that have nothing to do with the Habs. The truth of the matter is that there has been very little significant Hab news since the end of April. Outside of a few expected signings, what has really happened?

    Hab fans are also hockey fans so most of us had some interest in how the Cup run played out. Pretty well every city paper or blog followed the NHL playoffs. As an example, the Toronto Star rarely mentioned the laffs during the past few months. They had fabulous coverage of the Cup finals. Mainly because that was the real news of the day. To not do so would be pure folly, and a disaster in terms of copies sold, site hits and advertising. After all, sports reporting is a business.

    Mike Boone gets up early every morning and has about a one hour window to surf the net and come up with interesting articles. Most of us are still asleep or on our way to work. Some days, there is a ton of material to choose from while on other days there is very little.

    The next three weeks will be centered around the NHL awards, entry draft and UFA signings. After that, there will be a two and half month void. Every hockey site will be like a shopping mall in January after the Boxing Day sales have ended.

    Personally, I’m rather read some interesting hockey news that’s not directly related to the Habs, instead of suffering through warmed over debates on Halak, Gomez and Martin.

    • Bill J says:

      Stubbs posted this thread.

      And when Stu is posting more Habs stuff then the Gazette reporters, it’s just weird.

      The draft is in one week, why not post something about that, is all I’m saying.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Bill – My post wasn’t directed at you (or anyone else today), it’s an issue that has been raised by a variety of people ever since the Habs left the playoffs. I think part of it is a valid question, while some of it is a reaction to the arch rival Bruins winning the Cup (not to mention the way they went about winning it).

        • issie74 says:

          24 Cups – As former Montrealer living in TO.believe me I know what happens in Leaf land once they are out of the playoff race,fans here are not interested.
          I have always said they are leaf fans not hockey fans.The Fan 590 has Hockey Central where they talk hockey.The Bob McGowan Show will talk a little hockey news now and again.
          I know you can’t report,unless there is news.

          NorthTOHab

    • shootdapuck says:

      BTW this one was posted by Dave Stubbs not Mr. Boone!

      … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

      Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

    • mrhabby says:

      yup ..agree with that. i just woke up.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Except your last paragraph about other stuff ‘being more interesing’ than anything hab.. even the cacophony of armchair HIO GM’S like yours truly.. I second this post. Well said.. but take out the last part lol. It seems as if you are writing specifically about me lol.

    • SmartDog says:

      Boone gets up early? Aw man, you just ruined it for me. I was thinking that party animal stays up real late for us.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I didn’t check to see that it was Dave Stubbs who posted today’s thread. My fault, to be sure.

      I think it’s safe to say that Mike Boone posts about 80% of all threads. He also posts almost every early morning thread on a daily basis.

      I also wonder if part of the sticking point is that it’s the Bruins, as Cup champions, who are getting all the ink these days. It might be easier to take if it was Tampa or Washington who had captured the Cup.

  65. Propwash says:

    Enjoy your parade, however we all know Bruins still suck.

  66. HabFanSince72 says:

    Can a player be traded for nothing?

    I think we all agree that Spacek is a huge problem. He can’t play in this league anymore and he eats up 3.75M of cap space, which might prevent us from signing the Wiz.

    Could we trade him to a floor team for absolutely nothing?

  67. G-Man says:

    Yup, another day of B(I)O. Sad, really.

    • habstrinifan says:

      This is a GREAT read.. I wish PG reads it not because he is an idiot or bad GM but when you are making decisions like he has to, I think a smart man uses every assessment he can put his hands on to evaluate the advice he is getting and his own though process.

      On the link “Hockey future habs draft” under the thread ‘next up the draft’ there is a solid observation re Canadiens drafting.. they GO for the two way player (the defensive forward) rather than the pure offensive forward. They have to change this.

      It is why the team is built with so many easily interchangeable pieces and no real firepower.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      That article made some excellent points. I think the best of them was that we tend to look for maturity. Our search for mature, character players is one of the reasons that we drafted both Chipchura and Tinordi.

      Last year I was disappointed when we selected Tinordi (this was exacerbated by the fact that we traded up and Pysyk was still available). I was hoping that we’d draft Merrill at 27th. He’d have been available only because his stock had fallen due to attitude issues and poor interviews during the combine (i.e. a lack of maturity, really). I thought then that he was a better player, but PG went after character over talent. One year later, Merrill still looks like a much better choice to me.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I think some of those points are a bit overstated and I mentioned as much.

      Habs have only drafted 2 guys out of the BCHL in the last 10 years for starters and they’re quite unfair to American-born defencemen as well. Would anyone here have thrown a fit if MTL had kept their 1st in 2008 and acquired John Carlson? They’re producing some pretty good quality Ds these days. Komisarek wasn’t perfect but using him to say we should never draft a D out of the US again is like saying Mathieu Carle is why we should never draft a D out of the Q again.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  68. 24 Cups says:

    There are dozens of mock drafts around so here’s one more with a look at a possible Hab selection.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2011/6/17/2224328/mock-draft-with-the-17th-pick-the-montreal-canadiens-select

  69. shootdapuck says:

    Well, Plekanec got married! Congrats!

    How long until the “Allo Police” media starts whining if his new missus can’t speak french?

    … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

    Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

    • Mike D says:

      I realize this wasn’t your point, but his new missus CAN speak french. If I remember correctly from the Your Canadiens episode on Pleks, she speaks like 5 languages, has a PhD, and is also a pop-star in the Czech Republic.

      - Honestly yours

  70. 24 Cups says:

    Not much happening in Hab land these days, but here are a few secondary links.

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2011/6/18/2229877/some-saturday-habs-links

  71. smiler2729 says:

    Like anybody here cares, why even mention it? Unless you at HI/Q are secret Bruin fans…

    “If the Bruins played the Taliban, I’d root for the Taliban”

  72. shootdapuck says:

    Sorry Dave!

    But who gives a Rats A_s?

    Hope it pours!

    … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

    Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

    • Bill J says:

      In a perfect world a thunderstorm hits Boston, and lightning hits the cup when Chara is holding it up to the sky.

      Seriously, another Bruins thread ? What happened to “absolutely everything about the Montreal Canadiens”

      Come on H I/O staff, please no more!!!

      • G-Man says:

        And then a tornado snatches the Cup from Neckbreaker’s hands and it plows into Backbreaker’s face before shooting up into the heavens and being destroyed by a Star Wars satellite.
        The tornado then sweeps up all of the Bruin players and management and deposits them all down into the fissure that has opened up on the parade route and burns them all in hell. The End.

        • Bill J says:

          lol – nicely done ftw.

          I see you too have put some creative thought into this.

          • G-Man says:

            I forgot the part where the devil (Gary Bettman) addresses them all, explaining why they are all there using a Powerpoint presentation. It begins with owner Jacobs extending the contract of the devil and his minions, Colon Campbell and Mike Murphy. And then….

  73. Un Canadien errant says:

    It wasn’t supposed to be this way.

    In the movies, the good guy somehow pulls it off at the end.

    ———————————
    “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

    • habstrinifan says:

      The GOOD GUYS wont ever pull it off unless the TOP GUY makes some GOOD MOVES!

      • Bill J says:

        Are you implying that Gauthier has not made some good moves? Sure no mega blockbusters, but those cost too much in most cases…

        • shootdapuck says:

          The implication is that at some point Goatier has to stop playing “pocket pool” and put his hands to work improving his hockey team!

          No handyman analogies just some work!

          … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

          Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

          • Bill J says:

            Explain how he has not improved the Habs…. When they where injured, and the team was struggling. Did he not improve the team and make cheap acquisitions to improve the team ?

            My point is without sending Price, Subban or MaxPac away. No major moves can happen. This is not EASports, nor is Gauthier a Burke clone who talks a big game.

          • JayBee says:

            Sorry dude, going into the playoffs with Halpern on your first line and not addressing that is a big giant fail….especially when there were several upgrades on the waiver wire.

            I was done with him when he came out and talked about a stupid hole in his roof. Imagine a GM of the Yankees, Red Sox, Lakers, Steelers, etc…saying that. He’d get stoned. That excuse really bothered me.

          • Bill J says:

            Jaybee: So you judge without taking everything into account, a bit unfair no?

            Hey that’s how you roll as a fan I guess, your choice. It’s not mine.

            Without the injuries to Markov, Gorges & MaxPac ? I would bet we do not see Wiz, Sopel or Mara in MTL. Allowing for the assets needed to get them , to be used on what would have been required to make a strong push in the playoffs.

            Giving up more, despite the injuries, hampers the future, for ONE shot…. And no guarantees …

          • JayBee says:

            Maxpac got injured AFTER the deadline. In addition, if this team had DEPTH (I remember being weary of going into the season with both AK and Pouillot on the top 6) Max would not have been up here.

            If the management did not completely overvalue Eller, he would not have been up here the entire season. I like Eller, but he was not ready, and the only reason he stayed up here is cuz habs management knew they’d look bad if they sent him down.

            Teams around the league deal with injuries and most address them. Yes, he got Wiz and that was a good deal…but we lost a 2nd rounder for him, just like we did for Moore and just like we did for Schneider. This team has a long history of just throwing away assets like it’s nothing.

            The Sergei deal was awful. That was an awful deal any way you slice it.

            The Max deal was awful.

            Mara I liked, but how does he warrant a 5th round pick? He started a handful of games.

            The Sopel deal was awful. Gave up a 4th and Maxwell…Sopel is gone, so is Dawes.

            So yes, there were a couple decent deals (Wiz, Halpern, Moore)…but there were some awful deals in there too.

            Awful, awful, awful asset management. Gauthier can redeem himself by making some moves this offseason, but I see them being tentative and lateral.

            My main issue with the Habs brain trust is there doesn’t seem to be a plan. I have no idea what our identity is. Some of the deals made make no bloody sense. There’s no planning… O’Byrne is traded away (Somehow Picard beat him out…LOL) and then the Habs have to go searching for defensive depth who they trade a 4th, 5th and a prospect for. C’mon maaaan.

        • JayBee says:

          lateral moves at best.

          • shootdapuck says:

            Sums up Goatier, the lateral move magician!

            “Improvement” should imply moving forward with tangible results not treading water or sliding backwards!

            Don’t forget whose fingerprints are all over Gomez, Spacek and Moen? Chief of Pro-Scouting PG!

            His record of due diligence is poor at best!

            … the fans of the Boston Bruins now have lost forever any right to complain that “the league” is out to get their team, and that the Montreal Canadiens have some kind of pull inside the NHL home office.

            Charles P. Pierce – Boston Globe

        • habstrinifan says:

          From the peanut gallery, I give you my viewpoint:
          Price signing last yr…. great move.. outstanding outcome.
          Halak trade … good move (was not in good position on this)
          Max trade …. bad move.
          Knowin Gorges problem and waiting till the end to react….. bad move.
          Acquiring WIZ… good move.
          Re-signing WIZ.. would be bad move.
          Acquiring Auld… ok? move.
          Re-signing Auld… bad move. (forgive me if i am wrong but i think Auld is UFA NOW).
          Signing Yemelin … GREAT move he worked hard at it it seems.
          Signing Diaz and Trotter?… ok moves.
          Dawes and Boyd… bad move… bad planning .
          Acquiring Sopel/Mara shortsighted moves… again bad planning
          Spacek… shortsighted move.
          Signing Darche AK46 excellent moves.. great contract for AK46 looks like AMAZING plannig.. PG could do almost anything during the season with this contract.. Outstanding.
          Signing the two Hamilton coaches… great move.

          So I am not a PG hater but if you notice most of his moves were as if he was stopping leaks in his house.. maybe unavoidable maybe not.

          Now he has to go out and add a whole NEW WING…. dont need to be mega-blockbuster in individual move but MUST amount to improvement in the team … made by HIM.

          You tell me did I imply negativity or am now demanding pro-active GM activity… like … well we wont go there.

          And oh yeah… signing Jagr… bad as first option for improving offense. If no other move done then ok at minimal cost but dont be in a rush to compete to do it. In fact if some other team has taken the plunge it may make a player or two more expendable from that team or another team anxious to respond.

          So I am not a PG ‘hater’

          • Bill J says:

            The implication was taken from CAPS, otherwise why would you go to the trouble ?

            I was only questioning, as I think overall, PG all things considered has done some good work with what he has to work with.

            Patch work is a result of injuries. No injuries ? Then perhaps we would have seen more significant moves. All in how you look at the big picture. ;)

          • JayBee says:

            You forgot the Kostitsyn trade which was complete garbage.
            Also, not resigning Moore was dumb. Terribly dumb.

            Lets see if Gauthier can be pro-active and actually get a player that isn’t

            a) a career AHLer
            b) past his prime
            c) 7th D, 13th forward

            Lets see him get some legitamite players now.


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