Béliveaus celebrate 60th wedding anniversary; Lightning buys out Lecavalier

All of us at HIO would like to wish Jean and Élise Béliveau a very happy diamond wedding anniversary.

On June 27, 1953, the Béliveaus were married at St. Patrick’s Church in Quebec City. Three months later, Béliveau would join the Canadiens, finally wooed from the senior semi-pro Quebec Aces to begin an illustrious NHL career that shaped him into one of the finest players of all time and its greatest ambassador.

“I don’t know …” Béliveau told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs with a laugh, asked this week about love at first sight of his soulmate and wife of the last 60 years. “Maybe I had visions that my life wouldn’t be easy and there would have to be a lot of understanding between us two.

“It turned out,” he said, chuckling again, “that I made the right decision. I think Élise and I have done a pretty good job.”

In 2005, when Red Fisher wrote a feature series for The Gazette ranking the top 10 players from his first 50 years of covering the team, Béliveau came in at No. 1. Below is the feature Fisher wrote on “Le Gros Bill”.

Meanwhile, Vincent Lecavalier – who wears No. 4 in honour of Béliveau and played Le Gros Bill in the movie The Rocket – will be bought out of his contract by the Tampa Bay Lightning. The club announced the decision on Thursday morning.

“Vinny has been a significant reason for many of our past successes, including the 2004 Stanley Cup, and his contributions to the community are immeasurable,” Lightning vice- president and general manager Steve Yzerman said in a statement. “The Lightning organization is indebted to Vinny; we thank him for all he has done here and we wish him well as he moves forward.

“After much internal deliberation, we believe this will prove to be a pivotal move for us as we strive to achieve our long term goal of competing at the highest level, year-in, year-out. The economics and structure of the CBA are necessitating this decision and we at the Lightning are excited at the newly created opportunities this presents to us.”

 The 33-year-old still had seven years remaining on an 11-year, $85-million contract with an annual cap hit of $7,727,273. The Tampa Bay Times reported that the buyout price is $32.667 million over 14 years, or $1.76 million per year through 2027 not to play for the Lightning.

Lecavalier will become a free agent on July 5 and can sign with any team in the NHL except the Lightning.

Richard Labbe of LaPresse put out a tweet quoting Lecavalier saying: “”Open to MTL, but I am not closing any doors to anyone else. Haven’t made a list yet.”

(Photo © Jean Béliveau Collection)

A diamond anniversary for Jean and Élise Béliveau, by Dave Stubbs

Fans share their Béliveau stories, by Stu Cowan

Lightning to use compliance buyout on Lecavalier, montrealgazette.com

Lightning plans Lecavalier buyout, Tampa Bay Times

Official compliance buyout tracker, NHL.com

In a class by himself



As long as anyone can remember, even before he was to become everything that was good about this Montreal Canadiens franchise, Jean Beliveau has been special.

Was there ever a player blessed with more grace on and off the ice? He was a quiet leader who led by example. He walked and skated tall – and always will be remembered that way. We rejoiced in his accomplishments and were left limp with grief when he was struck with adversity – on and off the ice.

Some years ago, all of us were saddened when he announced in a brief statement that in a matter of days, he would start radiation treatment for a malignant tumour doctors had discovered in his neck. This man, loved and admired by so many, who won so many battles on the ice in his 18-season career with the Canadiens, took on his biggest one with greater resolve and courage than any game he ever played.

“I rely totally on the expertise of my doctors,” he was quoted in the statement. “I intend to follow their instructions and recommendations to the letter. I feel good and I fully intend on winning this next battle.

“During my treatments, for the next few months, I very humbly ask everyone to respect the privacy of my family and myself.”

He won it, against great odds. He handled the radiation, although for a long while he lost his sense of taste. He carried a bottle of spring water with him all day to ease the terrible discomfort of dry mouth, a condition that exists to this day. However, through all this, he was still the smiling giant of a man, available to people of all ages and languages and colours. His ability to charm others never has left him because he is, after all, Jean Beliveau.

Numbers and individual achievements don’t begin to describe what Beliveau has meant to his family, to the Canadiens organization, to people everywhere. Eighteen seasons with the Canadiens, his last 10 as captain; 10 Stanley Cups; two Hart Trophies, one Conn Smythe; 507 goals and 712 assists in 1,125 games; 176 points in 162 playoff games … only numbers. They pale in comparison alongside the love and respect other players, old and new, and the people have for him.

It wasn’t that long ago I ran into him at the Montreal General Hospital. An employee who was mopping the corridor on the sixth floor came along, stopped, his eyes widening. He said: “Ah, Monsieur Beliveau … bonjour!”

What he got in return for the next couple of minutes were smiles and words of cheer. It was always “Monsieur Beliveau,” even though he would have preferred “Jean.” That’s respect. That’s love.

“When you talk about the great players, the superstars who’ve played for the Canadiens,” Dickie Moore once told me, “he’s right up there with the very best. As an individual, he’s always been in a class by himself. As an individual, on and off the ice, nobody comes close.”

Beliveau was more than a captain: he was a father figure in many ways. If a player had a problem on the ice, Beliveau was only a stick-length away. If there were personal problems that needed attention, he was available. He didn’t inflict himself on anyone, but everyone knew he was there.

There always has been a shine to him that had a magical quality to it. Everything that is Beliveau comes from within. He cared about people, all people, when he played – and still does. Opponents played hard against him, but the respect was always there – and still is.

Wayne Gretzky has had critics among his peers. So did Mario Lemieux. Some players didn’t like Henri Richard, Phil Esposito and Bobby Clarke – but I don’t recall any player lashing out at Beliveau. Until he spanked today’s players for their stance in the lockout in early November, I can’t recall Beliveau ever going public with bad words about other players. He was almost too good to be true. Too many among the old-time players recoil at the money being made today, but Beliveau always has gone the other way. He’s glad for them.

He’d like to see the hooking and slashing and holding taken out of the game, but that’s where it ends. He is gracious about today’s stars, and when he played had a special place in his heart for Gordie Howe.

I remember asking Jean about Howe when the latter was retiring – for the first time – after 25 years with the Red Wings. Would there ever be another like him?

“If there is, I’ll be very surprised,” Beliveau said. “For another Gordie Howe, it will take a long time.”

Beliveau was awed by Howe’s strength, as well as his natural ability.

“Physical strength is a very important part of the game and always has been,” Beliveau said. “I would have to say that there are probably a lot of hockey players who are very strong physically, but they don’t have the ability to go with it. They don’t have the polish. Howe always had everything. He could do everything right and do it so beautifully.

“Some of the people, they say that Howe did not skate too fast. He knew what he was doing all the time, so he did not have to skate too fast, they said. All I can say is that up until near the end of his NHL career, the players who had to cover him should be asked how fast Howe could skate. And if you caught him, that great strength of his was too much.

“There are people like Howe in every business,” Beliveau added. “There are some who will do their job and do it well. That’s all. It was not enough for Howe.

“Twenty-five years … I do not know how anybody could play that long. With Howe, his stamina always amazed me. Lots of players can go for 40 minutes, but for the last 10 minutes they’re hanging on to somebody trying to catch their breath. Not Howe. Go … go … go all the time. But that’s what made him special, I think. With him, it was always that little extra that really counted. Will there be another Howe? If there is, he’ll have a lot to do.”

It doesn’t seem so long ago that I sat with Beliveau in his home the day before his 50th anniversary with the Canadiens as a player and executive. We talked about many things … the Stanley Cup teams he was on, the players on his line, the moments and events he remembered most.

“All those Stanley Cups, each one means so much,” Beliveau said. “You work so hard. You start in September and you don’t stop working. With Toe, (coach Blake) it was always first place. It’s all that counted, but one of my greatest thrills – and it’s always been team first with me – was when I was elected captain. I was not in line for it. I was not even an alternate captain at the time. I was in a cast at the time. Two months out,” he said with a sigh.

“So I’m in a cast when the boys are having the vote. Toe’s fedora is being passed around the room, and we’re dropping the little papers into it. You could vote for Dickie, for Boom, for Tom Johnson or for me. By then, I had been 33 days in a cast. I never thought for a second anybody would vote for me. I voted for Dickie.

“There was supposed to be two ballots,” Beliveau said, “and after the first, Toe told me two guys had tied. Me and Geoffrion. ‘You two will be the only guys on the second ballot,’ he said to me.”

Once again, the players tossed “little papers” into Blake’s fedora. Minutes later, an exercised “Boom Boom” now stormed out of the room.

“What’s the problem?” I asked him.

“Those bastards picked Beliveau,” he snapped.

“So what’s wrong with that?” Geoffrion was asked.

“Yeah, Boom was a little upset,” Beliveau said in his Longueuil home. “But ah … you know Boom. He was upset that day, but the next morning he was all right

“After the vote, I went up to see Mr. Selke: ‘I don’t deserve to be captain of this team.’ He said: ‘What would you want me to do? Go downstairs and tell those players they picked the wrong guy?’ ”


Red’s Top 10 Canadiens combined to win 71 Stanley Cups. Here’s a look at the players profiled in his feature series:

No. 10: Serge Savard won eight Stanley Cups and was a member of the Big Three on defence with Guy Lapointe and Larry Robinson.

No. 9: Dickie Moore, a six-time Stanley Cup champion, won back-to-back scoring titles during the 1950s.

No. 8: Bob Gainey won five Stanley Cups and was one of the best defensive forwards in NHL history.

No. 7: Bernard (Boom Boom) Geoffrion, a member of six Stanley Cup teams, was the second NHL player to score 50 goals in a season.

No. 6: Defenceman Larry Robinson could do it all – skate, score and fight – en route to six Stanley Cups.

No. 5: Henri Richard won 11 Stanley Cups, an NHL record.

No. 4: Doug Harvey was the best defenceman of his time and played a key role on six Stanley Cup teams.

No. 3: Guy Lafleur, who won three NHL scoring titles, could electrify an audience like no other player with his speed and shot and was on five Stanley Cup teams.

No. 2: The legendary Maurice (Rocket) Richard was more than just a hockey player to Canadiens fans while winning eight Stanley Cups.

No. 1: Jean Beliveau spent 18 seasons with the Canadiens, winning 10 Stanley Cups while displaying unmatched class on and off the ice.



  1. The Teacher says:

    If we could trade plekanec and all our draft picks in the first two rounds for one of the top three picks in the draft, do you do it? Yes or no?

  2. CF says:

    Montreal has to seriously go after Vinny. The team needs a leader like this. He’s not the player he was 10 years ago, but that’s ok right now. He’s good for three years. What’s worrisome is the DD contract, man….that was a brutal signing. The kid simply cannot play at that size for long term. Playoffs, forget it.

    Pick up Lecavalier, then trade Gio at the deadline for something. Vinny becomes Captain after that. We get bigger, the city gets a Francophone star. Vinny doesn’t have to score 40 goals to be effective in Montreal.
    Bergevin needs to find a way to make this happen. Anyone who thinks this would be bad is crazy. Of course the contract has to make sense, and of course it has to be coupled with DD being traded.

    • habs001 says:

      If it is true what Brad May said on sportsnet last night that he spoke to VL teammate and it was indicated to him that VL has no intentions of playing in Canada than there is not much the Habs can do to get him …

      • habstrinifan says:

        Maybe because I knew it just was too good to expect or maybe because I kinda believe Brad May… guess it’s just time to give up on that ‘dream’ Hate to know this Vinny but good luck.

    • Mike D says:

      I suppose I’m crazy then. I don’t see Vinny really being a fit in Montreal with our current roster and I think he’s highly overrated for where his skills are today.

      I’m with you on the DD stuff though. I think he needs to be traded regardless of bringing in another player or not, but I’m also willing to give him this season to prove himself if he can’t be moved.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  3. Dust says:

    Everyone needs to settle down. Letang is negociating a contract where if the pens don’t sign him he will become a UFA. Subban will still be a RFA at the end of his “Bridge” contract. Two totally different scenerios. I do believe Subban will get paid, and hansomely at that. However he won’t be a ufa so the habs will have more control and power than the Pens do over Letang.

  4. savethepuck says:

    Not a hockey post, but I know there are golfers on here. I’m surprised there’s been no mention of Brooke Henderson. TSN did a report on her in the last 2 weeks. She’s a 15 year old from Smiths Falls Ontario who won the Canadian amateur championship. Yesterday she shot 1 under at the US Open and ended day 1 tied for 17th. I think that’s incredible. I love stories like this about young Canadian athletes.
    Thanks BTW for whoever posted last night that a Canadian was drafted 1st overall in the NBA draft, another feel good story.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  5. florida habs says:

    you have got to think coming out of a lock out that some restraint would have been shown in regard to big contracts, but it looks like it is business as usual. you can’t blame the players for being sceptical of all the owners crying poor. just the money spent to pay players not to play is staggering, we are now hearing Vinny will command somewhere around $4-5m per, and teams are lining up to sign him. it is good to play hockey!

  6. Maritime Ron says:

    The evolution of NHL players as to their birth country has been fascinating over the decades.

    Once upon a time in 1975, Canada produced 90.8% of all NHL players. In 1980, Canada produced 82.2 %.

    Only 20 years ago during the 1993-94 season:
    USA: 17.6%

    This past season 2012/13:
    1 Canada 53.0%.
    2 United States 23.5%.
    3 Sweden 6.7%.
    4 Czech Republic 4.8%.
    5 Russia 3.2%.
    6 Finland 3.3%
    13 other countries represent 4.5%

    What this clearly indicates is that that game of hockey is no longer ours alone.
    Now, almost 50% of NHLers are emerging from northern US States or from overseas.

    So the question becomes, why do we continue to fiddle with the Phoenixs of the hockey world, when Europe and former USSR states are fertile ground?

    Here’s hoping one day we see a World Hockey League including the Original 6 – 6 overseas teams – and then the next best 12 North American hockey markets not needing $$$ support year after year
    Total: 24 teams.

    As one astute poster proved yesterday, there were more people watching hockey in the USA in the 1970s than today.
    And what game may have higher NBC ratings?
    Columbus at Phoenix…or Moscow at Chicago?

    • knob says:

      I think it would be absolutely exciting to see Montreal vs some European team as opposed to Florida. The NHL could easily go with 16 N.American teams and 8 European teams. The only problem you might see is that Swedish players (for example) would likely be more inclined to play for a swedish team. May create a situation where the Euorpean teams may become the Miami Heat of the NHL.

    • habs001 says:

      If there were no pro leagues in Europe and the teams were able to have all the best players in the NHL, Canadian content would probable be down to 35%….and if no fighting?

  7. HabinBurlington says:

    I completely understand the frustration many have with MB having given PK the vaunted “bridge” contract, and that this could result in the Habs now having to open the vault as a repercussion.

    But, while the dollars may result higher with PK, the team has set another precedent with their most talented player that this is the route the team proceeds with. It is a safeguard for the Habs to ensure that the player is developing into a star and that they earn that big contract. Down the road with players like Galchenyuk and hopefully others, this process will hopefully save money and capspace as the team improves.

    To analyze the PK negotiations alone, I believe is a mistake. It is a blueprint which the team hopes leads to handing out the eventual keys to the Brinks truck to those that deserve it, while maintaining cap control.

    • Mike D says:

      My thoughts exactly and I couldn’t have said it better myself! Very well put.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Good points Burly yet rest assured the League was watching that closely.
        MB helped out his 29 fellow GMs as this now stands as the model for an RFA with NO Arbitration rights

        • Mike D says:

          It certainly SHOULD stand as the model, Ron. Doesn’t necessarily mean it will though unfortunately. There’s a lot of idiot GM’s out there doling out huge contracts to players out of their entry level deals. Had moderate bridge contracts been the norm during last year’s negotiations P.K. wouldn’t have held out and the whole process wouldn’t have been nearly as big a deal as it was.

          Since that wasn’t the case, many are now concerned (and justifiably so) that P.K. will be looking for some sort of retribution on his next deal.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

    • florida habs says:

      I am all for players earning their salary, but GMs need to understand the market versus talent. If what we hear is right ( $5m x 6yrs), that range is currently being offered to serviceable D-Men, not elite money, I don’t believe the results we saw this year would have been any different if we gave him that contract. This is a kid who just wants to win and play big-time hockey, as opposed to a vet who may take his foot off the pedal once he gets a longer term deal. I think MB under estimated the market, and PK. I also believe MT planted seeds that this may not be the type of player we want to commit to for a long term. There will be no hometown discount next go around, no guarantee either. This negatively affects the Habs ability to manage the cap and acquire other pieces. I don’t believe you draw up a blueprint to say one size fits all, much like PG credo that he never negotiates during the season. It is about anticipating market demands, curtail costs and maximize your assets. MB signed DD to a big contract based on 1 year of serviceable point totals, why didn’t he apply the same criteria. Was there going to a bid demand for an under-sized one way centers? I think this is more about PK the person, I hope we have enough money to sign Chucky after we are done with PK.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Most sound argument for the process followed by MB yet. My objections were never the ‘bridge contract’ but MB’s words re P.K which we have already discussed back and forth.

  8. ClutchNGrab says:

    Rumors before the PK signing was that PK wanted “Drew Doughty money” which brought a lot of skeptics to say”who does he think he is”?Doughty’s salary is 6 M per year.

    Too many commentators in Montreal see a lack of confidence as a prerequesite to being a good human being. Not that giving him 6 instead of three doesn’t make sense on a business stand point, but questionning his character wasn’t nescessay. He wasn’t arrogant he just knew his value.

    • Cal says:

      PK had no leverage at the last negotiation. Now, he has leverage. It’s not about personalities; it’s business.
      If I can sign arguably the best Dman for cheap-which MB did- I do it. The next contract for PK will cost a lot more. In the meantime, the Habs fit under the 64mil cap for 13/14.
      I don’t give a rat’s ass about what it will take to sign him next time, because he has earned star money. And he will still be RFA.


      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree, hadn’t read your post before I wrote mine.

      • savethepuck says:

        100% in agreement with this. It is exactly what I was saying in late January. The 64 Mil CAP had a lot to do with the bridge deal and was structured for PK to net more than a 2.8 M /yr would have if both years were equal $ amounts.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

        • neumann103 says:

          ^^^^This. So much this.

          I really hope two things were explicit from Bergevin during the PK negotiations:

          1. That this was very substantially about 2013-2014 cap and that an appropriate longer term deal was very difficult to fit in before space begins to get cleared.

          2. That the wildly imbalanced deal (paid much more in 2013/2014 than in 2013 where he will only collect a prorated share) was an intentional move by Bergevin to maximize PK’s actual payment vs the cap hit and establish a reasonable floor for any future contract. Doesn’t the structure mean that the Habs’ qualifying offer would have to be at least $4.125M?

          “Et le but!”

      • florida habs says:

        you have plenty of leverage as RFA, you will give a rat’s ass if we can’t afford other pieces to put together a team to compete for a cup. why didn’t he apply the same logic to DD?

    • florida habs says:

      that is my point also, just above your post.

  9. Mike D says:


    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  10. Lafleurguy says:

    Nine-hundred ninety-eighth.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Gotta run, but the first post on new thread will hopefully be epic in its follow up to this 1,000+ thread dedicated to the Man himself.

  11. HabFanSince72 says:

    David Perron has identical numbers to David Desharnais, and a similar cap hit.

  12. Bigdawg says:

    some people think Vinny would accept less money to come play for Montreal – say 3-5 million per season because he already has a lot of money coming in.

    GET REAL!!!!! – what’s coming to him will have no impact on the amount he and his agent will be able to demand.

    Either he takes a discount to play somewhere specific, like a contender or close to home like Miami or they will negotiate for what a big first line center with almost a ppg last season is worth!

    Easily north of 5M and it could be much more than that. I would not be surprised if over 6.5M or even 7M. The problem is his old contact was term, not so much the $/year.

    Sure other GMs are aware he has big money coming. But the UFA crop is not huge this year and there is only 1 Vinny. If you are a GM and want to make a splash this year Vinny is the guy. Also, many teams covet a large 1st line center with almost a ppg production and that alone will ensure he won’t be cheap.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Another hockey cliché is “the hometown discount”. It rarely happens.

      The NHL isn’t about hockey or fans, it’s about business. For those who believe in the concept of a hometown discount, look no further than Letang.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Greetings, Steve and Faith. Would be interesting to get a sampling of the media and fan reaction right after the humiliating 4-0 sweep the Penguins suffered, and whether there was personal criticism directed at Letang.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Mike D says:

      Brad May said he spoke to one of Vinny’s teammates who informed him that VL would NOT be coming to Canada. While I don’t consider Brad May to be a superior insider, I do believe that statement 100%.

      I don’t think Vinny wants the pressure or attention. He also knows that in a Canadian market, especially Montreal, it’s also his family that would have to deal with the scrutiny and not just him.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • florida habs says:

      some feel the same way about PK, should be considerate to the org, I guess it is nice to dream!

  13. Habfan10912 says:

    @burly. Don’t forget to send pictures. 🙂

  14. Lafleurguy says:

    The daunting numbers out there that stress out GM’s with young elite players aren’t Getzlaf 8.25mill per alongside Perry’s 8.5mill per, but Suter’s and Parise’s 91mill total packages.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Habfan10912 says:

      A smart GM has a plan and sticks to it. A not so smart GM (Phil, Rags) react and seem to have no plan. We’ll soon find out where Bergevin fits.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        I think you raise a very interesting point, that being the honeymoon period is over for MB. (I didn’t accidently type Carey, did I?). Things happen at a fast pace in the NHL, and fans enjoy jumping around making loud funny noises much more than they enjoy boo-ing

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  15. Kfourn says:

    I guess I’ve missed something, as per NHL.com’s draft positioning, the Habs have regained their 4th round pick that they had to give to the Islanders in the Wisnewski trade. Anybody know how?

    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • HabinBurlington says:

      4th round pick was conditional on Habs making Conference Finals in 2011. I guess we owe a nod of the head to PG for throwing that in there.

      • Kfourn says:

        Ok, thanks for the info.

        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  16. Lafleurguy says:

    Did Ray Shero make a mistake in not extending Letang first, before Malkin?

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      No because there were teams in the KHL getting ready to pay Malkin double what he makes in Pittsburgh.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Malkin is a better asset than Letang.

      Turning down a maximum length contract at 7M a season babbles me. Letang may get another half or three quarter mil from another team but he won’t be setting up Crosby and Malkin or contending for the Cup every year like Pittsburgh does.

      As for Montreal, it looks like the team may have to give Subban 8M a season. When’s the next lockout?

  17. Lafleurguy says:

    This may become the first-ever 1,000(+)-posts-thread sparked by a wedding anniversary.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  18. habstrinifan says:

    Good Morning everyone!
    @Dunboyne Mike re your post on P.K’s salary and him(agent) being conscious of cap issues to ensure that he is part of a solid team capable of winning.

    I don’t think that would be a problem. Least I hope not. Many here will confirm my need for P.K on this team and hope that MB does not ‘screw around’ with negotiations by running the contract to its end to, as some have posted, make sure P.K is for real. But I also believe that MB shouldn’t go above a certain figure. I would say 6.5 but I will be ok with 7 too.
    My thinking is that P.K will be amenable but MB must step up to the plate early.
    The reason I am hopeful lies in P.K’s Norris remarks. I wont go into why he specifically mentioned Molson and that other guy and not MB and that other guy… but I think there is a significant trust and working relationship between Molson and the Subbans. I posted during the negotiations that Molson would have to get involved. My opinion only, but based on P.K’s words, I feel Molson did.
    Don’t get me wrong. Not saying that Molson will be undermining MB. Just that once MB steps up to the plate a word or two from Molson will help P.K realize that he has to consider the organization too and cant be too extravagant.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      That all sounds good to me. I guess we can never really know how negotiations proceed — there’s surely no unavoidable template — unless maybe in the memoirs players/officials pen in their dotage.

      PK deserves big bucks. We’ve no choice but to have faith in both the club and PK to arrange it without jeopardising the team’s competitiveness.

      • florida habs says:

        I think that ship sailed last negotiation, I can’t believe posters are saying PK needs to be considerate of the org. Mgmt was pretty up front about the doubts of PK’s character, sorry “team player”, they rolled the dice and lost, PK needs to take care of PK. Unless Molson is going to name a beer after him and give him royalties, he deserves to cut the best deal regardless, and it doesn’t have to be remaining with the Habs. His agent floated that out last season and no takers. This and the DD signing are 2 miscalculations by MB ,imo.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Yikes, I hope you’re wrong!
          I guess it depends on what PK wants. If moolah is the overwhelming priority, he would no doubt make more of it elsewhere. And get to say “So there” to Habs management. Hopefully there are mitigating intangibles.

  19. secretdragonfly says:

    Despite the gloomy forecast, I can’t help but feel optimistic – it’s Friday before a long weekend, the draft takes place on Sunday, we’re getting closer to free-agent frenzy and the Als beat the Bombers to open the season (sorry Burl).

  20. Fransaskois says:

    @Dunboyne Mike

    I would say he’s as gritty or grittier than Pacioretty, a smaller frame though. This is a Patches pre-shoulder-injury. He plays with a lot of passion I’ve found, not a floater. He’s a guy that really wants to win and be the best. Sometimes, as I’m sure you can imagine, that can get him into trouble.

    • Mike D says:

      Perron would be a great acquisition for the Habs IMO. I also like that he’s signed for three more years at a very reasonable 3.8mil.

      We need a winger, particularly on the left, and he can actually play both wings.

      I REALLY hope MB is talking to the Blues about a deal.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Would love Perron, two things concern me though. Why is St. Louis shopping him, seems to me he is excellent two way player signed to a good contract. And how much would we have to give up? Eller is a dealbreaker to me as I would not want to see him leave. St. Louis is a budget oriented team and are going to want a young controllable contract, not an older veteran like a Gionta or Plex me thinks.

        • Mike D says:

          All excellent points, Gerry. I too am wondering why the Blues are looking to trade him (assuming the rumour is actually true). With the exception of Bouwmeester who only has 1 more year left on his contract, nobody on that team makes more than 4.5mil….and they’ve got some damn good players. It’s clear they have an internal budget separate from the cap.

          They still have to re-sign Pietrangelo and Stewart who won’t come cheap, and just re-signed Berglund and Shattenkirk to considerable dollars (for them), so perhaps they have to make room and Perron is the odd man out? The arrival of Tarasenko probably contributed to that as well. Factor in Perron’s injury history and it’s a reasonable conclusion me thinks.

          I agree though that I would not trade Eller to acquire Perron.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Sounds good, F and fellow Mike.
      As long as the concussion thing is carefully considered.

      • Mike D says:

        Agreed, Mike. He would have to pass a physical for sure and I have no doubt our team’s doctors would take extra care to “check him out” as thoroughly as possible.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          You’d hope everyone starts taking concussion way more seriously: for the sake of the team (no damaged goods) and for the sake of the players (who have lives beyond hockey similar to ours, just with much fatter bank accounts!).

  21. Hobie Hansen says:

    Listening to the TSN 690 morning show and I”m pretty much in agreement with what they’re saying regarding Vinny. He’d have to settle for a 2 or 3 year deal worth an absolute max of $5 mill per season. And Plekanec or Desharnais must be moved, even both if possible.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Fan 590 here in TO (Greg Brady/Jim Lang) are touting Vinnie at more dough than the Grabovski contract, neighborhood of 5.5mill per times four years. Gossip that Vancouver could benefit from a big centre like Vinnie. I think he’s going to land a large if not huge contract.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Very possible, if that happens, bye bye Vinny.

        Although, Vancouver already has three pretty good centers in Kessler, Sedin and Roy.

        And also, GMs know that Vinny has a huge chunk of cash coming his way from TB. I have a feeling his contract will be reasonable and people might be surprised.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        If he gets that kind of deal, that is too rich for our Habs I believe. It would prevent the team from improving areas absolutely requiring improvement.

        The Leafs have Cap room, so this could be a move they make, and can then tell Bozak to enjoy his hitting the pavement looking for work.

  22. Mick says:

    The Tampa Bay Lightning has announced it will buy out Vincent Lecavalier’s contract. Would you like to see him with the Canadiens?
    If we could get rid of “Little David’s” contract. Then that would be a big “Yes”. Montreal media would love it and so would the fans. 3 years at 4 million and a option year for the Habs.

    Our GM’s first big mistake! “Little David” for four years.
    Ooops. I think he rushed that one?

    By Vincent!

  23. HabinBurlington says:

    Watching bits of the Bettman conference yesterday, does one get the impression he is now hoping Glendale doesn’t get a deal for the Yotes? Seems he is much more open in his Sabre rattling of how he can move the team, and that the puck is now in Glendales end of the rink.

    Morning all!

  24. Fransaskois says:


    Glad to see we’re on the same page! I’ve watched Perron a fair amount and I’ve always liked him. Maybe tries to do too much with the puck and has some injury troubles but, overall, I’d love to see him here. This from The Hockey News…
    Assets: Is a great dangler with the puck and very creative. Can play on either side of center and excels in open space. Gritty and full of character, he’s both a finisher and an excellent playmaker.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hi. I’m trying to look up who nailed Perron and put him out for a whole season with a concussion. 26 years old. First round pick in 2007 taken after Eller and Pacioretty, and before P.K. Variably listed as 5’11” or 6’0″

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good morning LG.
        Your first sentence — sounds like you’ve been re-watching The Sopranos!

        • Lafleurguy says:

          What a great show, original and full of creativity. If I mis-interpreted, and you’re talking about Sarah Brightman, and Freddy Mercury, they’re pretty good too.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            You lost me! And I’ve been awake for several more hours!
            Just thought you were maybe contemplating turning to criminality in order to bring justice to whoever hit Perron!

            (I think Freddy was more of a tenor).

          • Lafleurguy says:

            (some experts classified that great voice as a “male soprano” and can you believe my bud and I got to see Queen at Edmonton’s 5,000-seat Kinsman Field House after the release of their first album in 1973, one year before Killer Queen, and two before Bohemian Rhapsody.) Sorry about all the corn I’m serving at lunchtime over there and breakfast over here.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            No doubt Freddy could sing in the soprano range! Incredible voice, and what an entertainer. Great that you can talk about seeing him live pre Boh Rap.

            Meantime, please leave supplemental discipline to Shanahan and keep yourself out of jail!

      • secretdragonfly says:

        Morning all, it was Joe Thornton and Perron missed 97 games. He seems to have bounced back OK but that would be worrisome going forward. Would take him in a heartbeat if healthy.

        • Lafleurguy says:

          Great info, “gal-pal!”

          “May you live in interesting times.”

        • Chris says:

          Bergeron missed roughly the same amount and has been largely okay, with small bouts here and there. It did take him over a season to get back to full speed though.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Beat me to it Chris, the recovery of Bergeron does give hope to a player like Crosby or Perron. I thought Bergeron was done at one point, is great to see how he has come back.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Unless Bergeron is being reckless, which he may well have been to play in Game 7.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          At some point, GMs will have to start taking cognizance of the fact that there has been a recent upsurge in players educating themselves — independent of club “medical expertise” — on the long-term effects of brain injury (concussion) and consequently playing more cautiously. This is already an issue for Montreal imo. So a GM ought legitimately to wonder if a post-concussion player might be a risky investment.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Fransakois.
      Sounds interesting. Exactly how gritty?

  25. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning all,
    Hope sunrise was good in Nova Scotia, Ron, and the birds are all feeding within view.
    Could only skim through last night’s lengthy agglomeration, couple of things:

    @DMex – all the very best. I bet the guy’s a champion.
    @Burly – very nicely done at 9.28. Alas, apparently to no avail judging by later posts. Hopefully a case of one beer too many. I initially felt a little outraged at the assaults (and surprised by some of the targets! Trini?), and then reckoned, of everyone here, they are among those with skins most reminiscent of hippo-ass thickness!).
    @10912 – such is the quality of argument here I keep swinging back and forth on the Vinnie debate, so I’m impressed that you can be “meh”! Representing my current state of swing is this quote from Chris:
    “In two year’s time, I fully expect that Alex Galchenyuk will be a 0.8-0.9 point per game player and we won’t need Lecavalier.”

    Perhaps it all depends on which camp one’s in: Patience or Now. Also, on how much one values the concept of “the mentor”.

    Best wishes from Ireland for a good day to all, and please don’t post anything interesting for the next 5-6 hours. I have a ton of stuff to do.

  26. Maritime Ron says:

    P.K. must have a huge smile this AM….

    From Pierre Lebrun:
    @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Hearing that Letang camp informed Penguins earlier tonight that they were turning down an 8-year contract offer worth around $56 million…

    @Real_ESPNLeBrun: Also told that Letang camp counter-offered with a long-term deal which would pay less than $8 M (north of $7.5 M); Pens said too high

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      MR – DOES a GM say to a player (agent): have you thought about balance between desire to make money and desire to play on a contender? If he does say it, does a player/agent pay any heed?

      Because if PK’s salary goes much north of 7, it surely impedes the team’s capacity to acquire other essential pieces.

      • wjc says:

        Exactly, this eliminates a team getting ‘too strong’, it is a balancing act.

        So the system police’s itself with built in checks and balances. Eventually, you have to decide Galenchuk, Subban, Price, Beauleu, Tinordi until you hit the salary cap and then you have to let some jump overboard and everyone stays competitive.

        The lower teams picking up the next phenom.


        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          wjc, are you saying that the League welcomes a few stars hogging each team’s pie so that the team is hamstrung when it comes to paying the other pieces? Sounds credible, just want to make sure I’m reading your analysis right. Kind of Parity-from-Fiscal-Darwinism!

      • wjc says:

        No the agent says, “son, this is what the market will pay you, where do you want to play”. He will pick two or three places and off he goes and lets the agent man the phones.

        The agent wants mazimum money, the players wants mazimum money, and the owners, managers make their bids.

        The agent wants maximum commission because that is how he makes a living. The player wants maximum money because, that is how he knows his value and live the good life.

        He may opt for a warm climate, a hot hockey market, but the money will be the decider. Highest bidder usually wins the day. The kid reallizes that agents are business partners, the team is a profit center, and fans mean endorsements and advertising opportunities. Wheaties, Nike etc. anyone.


        • HabinBurlington says:

          That may be what happens often, but Crosby’s last contract is proof positive of the opposite. He spoke specifically with GM and President himself, and decided to take less money in order to help the team sign other players.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Interesting that that’s public domain, Burly. Don’t think we’re likely to get that kind of candour in Montreal.

          • wjc says:

            Burlington, there are exceptions to everything of course, but how much did he end up accepting. Was he still in the 10 million dollar range.

            If you are making his kind of money and you do not want to the lone super star, I can see him compromising. This does not happen with the lesser paid millionaires, I am sorry to say.


    • gauver says:

      I suspect that it will take $8/year x 8 years in part due to the income tax take.

    • Dust says:

      I think what the Pens offered Letang was a good, fair deal. Letang just looks like a real greedy douche in this situation.
      Letang hasn’t signed any deal so right now it doesn’t have any bearing on the PK contract situation. The Pens could not sign him to a deal and keep him til the deadline to trade him. Meaning, once again, all of this is meaningless to what PKs new contract will be.
      We don’t know what kind of talks MB has had with PKs agent to date. I would assume he signs an extention this summer and I assume the price tag will be around 6.5 to 7mil per year for 8 years

  27. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    This whole draft setup is really bothersome.

    While some teams spend massive amounts of money in all facets of an organization – while some teams pour massive amounts of money into the revenue sharing pot, the NHL continues to reward incompetence and welfare franchises with the best draft picks in American outposts where hockey hardly registers.

    This year, the hockey hotbeds of Denver-Sunrise Florida-Tampa -Nashville and Raleigh will be rewarded for incompetence – for not spending money on their teams – and for fleecing Canadian fans and teams via Revenue Sharing.

    Some of the best young Canadian players that were FUNDED in their youth by our TAX DOLLARS will head south to theses outposts – then, the money spent on monster ticket prices Canadians pay, will partially float south and help pay their salaries

    Here’s recommending that the Top 10 teams (and their fans) responsible for the most dollars contributed to Revenue Sharing be rewarded by a Supplemental Draft every second year

    This draft would take place before the regular draft and could be one of a territorial protection of 1 local born, or just the ability to choose the Top 10.

    With the exception of poorly run Edmonton and on rare occasions for other Canadian teams, Canadian fans rarely get to cheer on top or local prospects because spending to the minimum and tanking is unacceptable. We end of with the leftovers after the Top 5-10 are chosen.

    Of course this will never transpire as long as Canadian fans continue to spend money and remain docile.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Hiya Ron. Your heart’s in the right place with regards to genuine love of hockey Canadian hockey fans have, but we need Big Brother’s bankroll.

      Thanks for inspiring some reading into NHL hockey history. The NHL has had 5 CEOs, four presidents and one comissioner. Frank Calder was the first and presided for 26 years. Clarence Campbell held the president’s position for 31 years. These two gentlemen were Canadians. John Ziegler, the infamous Gil Stein, and the first Commissioner Gary Bettman (20 years and counting), all Americans followed. Note to our respected American friends, no hidden message exists behind this post. By the way every single other post I’ve made have had hidden messages (in case the NSA is tapping into HIO, IYKWIM*). Cheers.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Guy
        Just mentioning the N S ay puts you on the list 🙁
        Same goes if you mention Or Well and then the year 19/84.
        Watch out for those drones peeking through your windows

        • Lafleurguy says:

          And I thought they were just giant mosquitoes that happened to suck on Alex Rodriquez and Friends’ blood. Going to my bunker now and planning a trip to Moscow (the non-Russian part) via Hong Kong.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            If we all hooked up in Ecuador, Olympic hockey team within 10 years.

          • Lafleurguy says:

            Ecuador may be okay. Paul Newman and the Sundance Kid, Robert Redford didn’t do too well in Bolivia.

            “May you live in interesting times.”

          • Maritime Ron says:

            You could always join the Bush clan. They bought 100,000 acres of land in Paraguay

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      This is a great perspective, and if Canadian tax-payers could overcome their docility, some action might be possible.

      However, I fear the league would have no interest. The NHL is only nominally a sporting organisation, rather it is a business within the entertainment industry. It has zero interest in nurturing the sport of hockey beyond whatever its needs are to secure profits.

      Hey! That’s a bit dark for 7am. But it’s nearly lunchtime here. I love hockey and detest the NHL.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Ireland Mike
        When watching a game I always try to forget that hockey is a vehicle in the big business of Entertainment – that players are real and not only assets to be disposed of once their use is over.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          The playoffs make it easy to remember that the players remain real, certainly when they’re on the ice, when you see the elation and dejection the final siren brings. But that realness is very much in spite of, not because of, the league.

          If they weren’t real, it would be much easier to do the right thing, which I believe would be to stop watching.

    • gauver says:

      Don’t forget that when the Canadian dollar was only worth about $0.62 US, it was the American clubs that kept teams from all Canadian markets but Toronto and (maybe) Montreal afloat.

    • wjc says:

      Try this for your consideration:

      Think of the ‘NHL’ as one BIG business, not separate pieces.

      Now think of all 30 owners/teams being one big business, separated but joined together.

      Now think of each separate business, charging the customer what the market will bare.

      If you are in the Toronto or Montreal market and you can sell your tickets for $200.00 and there is still a huge demand, then you can raise ticket prices yearly until the demand is saturated.

      If you are in a market where the demand is lower, then lower prices are necessary. Remember this is ‘one’ business with 30 parts. To make it work each has to as strong as possible.

      With 16 teams making the profitable playoffs and 14 teams not making the playoffs built into the system, you have seemingly incompetence.

      Edmonton is a good example, with patience and in a good market they are building with maturing draft choices to one day dominate again.

      With all the markets covered and the players ‘well paid’ rival leagues can not start a competitive league. With no competitive league viable because of the tremendous out lay of money that would be necessary, lack of arena’s, and the fact that many good players are tied to long contracts, this threat is eliminated.

      Now the owners, we will use Montreal as a good example, can charge huge money for tickets and concessions, sweaters etc. make huge money and with revenue sharing in this ‘one business’ it ensures everyone stays healthy. The salary cap is good for the owners, because they do not have to make excuses to the fans for not signing so and so. They just point to the salary cap and shrug, “my hands are tied” they say.

      As the south grows, slowly and hockey catches on because of Television and pay-per-view and young fans following the game, you have tremendous potential for everyone to profit…players, and owners.

      When teams come into Montreal, they need to be strong enough to entertain, otherwise fans would get bored with one sided games.
      You therefore have to distribute the players to the poorest teams first. Rewarding as you say poor teams.

      However, you will notice that several teams had years of being low only to eventually rebound with good drafts, Chicago comes to mind.

      That is why having Montreal as powerful as they used to be under the old system would not work. It would be bad for business to have one team dominate and the league would fail and Montreal and Toronto would end up playing themselves.

      Realize, that the rivalries you imagine are just preceptions. This is one business, with 30 partners, working together, meeting together, exchanging ideas. Molson is not upset with the system because eventually he makes the money back and more.


      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good analysis.
        The business tail wagging the sport dog.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        There is no argument to your factual post, yet as I mentioned to Ireland Mike
        When watching a game I always try to forget that hockey is a vehicle in the big business of Entertainment – that players are real and not only assets to be disposed of once their use is over.

        • wjc says:

          I think we all do that. Just enjoy the game, for what it is. I was just trying to show my side of the, ‘why things are the way they are’, when you peek inside.


    • adamkennelly says:

      interesting post. Here’s another way to fix it – teams who accept revenue sharing dollars – must give up draft picks in return for the monies. start with a 3rd, then to a second, then to a first – depending on frequency of occurrence. those picks can be forfeited or given to the teams who contribute the dollars. Really a win win. The teams in the hockey markets get better, generate more money and give it to the teams in poor markets. you don’t want to give up draft picks, then run a better team or don’t take the money.

      • wjc says:

        If you give up picks in exchange for money, you will never rise above metiocrity. That would not be good for the league because these teams need to be competive.

        The dollars are divided up, if you have a good market, you are lucky. But you still need the rest to get better to keep the interest alive.

        A win/win for Montreal, Toronto etc. but a lose/lose for others trying to create interest in their product.

        The idea is for the poorer markets to become stronger markets.

        Giving up draft picks would mean you could never get better and that would defeat the purpose of rewarding those that need the help on the ice.


    • Habitforming says:

      I couldn’t have said it better Ron.

      Maybe this should be sent to a few influential people in the hockey world.

      • wjc says:

        Please take notice, that there is ONE CEO and his name is Garry Bettman. Just like in any other industry, one head honcho. He represents the interest of all the teams.

        They have board meetings, exchanges of idea’s, rule discussions. One man is the head of it all. Garry Bettman. He is the spokeman for all 30 teams. 14 teams have to appear to fail in any given year, due to how the league is set up. This is a given.

        To win a championship is like catching lightening in a bottle. Only one can do it per year, which in the fans world mean 29 failures.

        In the NHL world there are 30 successes because they are part of a winning establishment. They can control costs with the salary cap. The can prevent a rival league from establishing themselves as has happened in the past with long contracts and high wages for stars and territories taken. They are smart, smart men who have all the angles covered.

        If you are in a great market, it is up to you who you consider your core. The rest are covered with rookies, older players and 3rd and 4th liners. You could not have a team of 5 number 1 defencemen or 9 first stringers as used to happen years ago under a different system when there were 6/12 teams.


  28. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning gentleman and 7 ladies. First off my best wishes to D Mex and his family. I hope all works out for you and yours.
    Am I overly cautious to think that if Vinnie comes Eller would be the one moved to the wing. It really does seem to appear that DD has friends in high places and he isn’t moving. Pleks is still our best two way center and unless he’s traded he’s a top 6. I am kind of meh with this Vinnie thing. Breire is a BIG no.
    CHeers all.

  29. Fransaskois says:

    Good morning, Morning Crew. I think I’d rather make a move to acquire Perron (available per Dreger) to replace Ryder and grow with our young players than acquire Lecavalier and need to shuffle the lineup to make room. As hard as it is to say, he doesn’t really mesh with what MB is trying to do with the team.

  30. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …on Jean Beliveau …I think, for years We as Montreal Canadiens’ Fans have been riding Jean Beliveau’s coat-tails when many called Habs Fans the classiest and most knowledgeable in the hockey world

    …well, at least, that is what many outsiders thought of Us years ago (and, let’s be honest, We of Ourselves 🙂 ) …but, not so much today

    …likely, We of a certain generation were thought of in such a way only because outsiders knew of Beliveau, and assumed ALL those that followed les Canadiens also must be cut from a similar cloth

    …in reality, most Habs Fans were as much from moth-eaten cloth as most sports fans …no more, no less

    …We have to thank M. Beliveau deeply for the fraudulent patina of ‘class’ We have worn like little hockey emperors over the past 50 years or so

    …hang in there Jean for many years to come, because I’ve become accustomed to this emperor’s gig

  31. D Mex says:

    Earlier tonight, I responded to a post by the Dude with a personal note that our older son hopes for a cure to type-1 diabetes.

    Attn : Dude, HabinBurlington and Habstrinifan –
    Just wanted to express my thanks for your kind comments – we don’t know each other from Adam, but they are appreciated just the same.

    Gracias y Cuidense mucho ! 🙂
    D Mex

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      …having Type 2 Myself, and not until a relatively late age, I can only imagine the challenges dealing with Type 1 from a young age

      …as You have likely already encouraged Him by telling Him about the great athletes that have found the will to deal with it, may I wish Him well and to be strong

      • Maritime Ron says:

        There is some nice inspiration out there.
        As you are probably aware, there were/are some pretty good NHLers that played with Type 1:
        Bobby Clarke
        Cory Conacher,
        B. J. Crombeen,
        Nick Boynton

        The great Jackie Robinson of the Brooklyn Dodgers also had Type 1 as does Jays pitcher Brandon Morrow.
        Former tennis great Aurthur Ashe and golfer Scot Verplank are also Type 1 guys

        • D Mex says:

          One of the first things we did while in hospital for a week following his diagnosis was to google NHLers with T-1, so those names I had.

          I also recall that former Expo Bill Gullickson was a T-1, but did NOT know that Jackie Robinson was a member of ‘ the club ‘ so will bring that one to his attention today as he / we love the story behind the movie ” 42 “. Thank you for mentioning it !

          In many ways, his diagnosis at age 13 was tougher on me than on him : he just switched gears and, than 24 hours after leaving hospital, returned to Captain his box lacrosse team. Later that year, he Captained in his final year of bantam rep. He is a heart & soul athlete who has set his sights on a university lacrosse scholarship.

          I have experienced an entirely different aspect of HI/O in the past 12 hours – a good thing. Thanks again gents !

          ALWAYS Habs –
          D Mex

      • D Mex says:

        Redundant – sorry

  32. DorvalTony says:

    Goodbye Gio hello Vinny!

    “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

  33. Habitoba says:

    The cap era was new and it was bound to have some kinks in the system. Lecavalier is merely a casualty of the GMs’ learning curves on how to handle the new contracts.

    Loyalty can run strong in some people. He was drafted by Tampa and he won scoring titles and a cup with them. He also has strong ties to a community that has cheered him on throughout his entire NHL career. He may have been a Habs fan but he was drafted to be a Tampa Bay Lightning. “Testing the waters” when he was last a free agent was perhaps merely a way to gauge what he could command with Tampa.

    I choose to believe Vinny is loyal to the team that drafted him. A team where he was able to achieve what NHL players dream for. If there’s any other reason why he doesn’t want to play here, it’s his reason and nobody else’s. (Though I don’t blame him, what with some of the loud minority we have out there)

    IMO, I think if (big if) he signs here for the year and goes back to Tampa after, I think that would be pretty awesome. Sure, it’s only one year but he could have signed here and gotten gotten concussed out of the game a-la Savard, Lindros, Pronger after one season. We only get to cheer for one season at a time anyways. If the growing popular trend is right and it’s just a one year ticket then it’s back to Tampa I hope Habs fans will cheer him on to make this “summer fling” with the Canadiens of his one he remembers fondly. I’m not saying we should be placing the demand or expectation of a cup on his shoulders but rather let’s cheer him on so that he wants to bring the cup to us.

    Hell, We already have people turning this into another Gomez fiasco and he hasn’t even signed here yet. It’s these damn self-fulfilling prophesies that get us every time…

  34. Mark C says:

    Word is 35 year old, 2 goals in 22 games last year, Dainius Zubrus is getting a 3 year 3 million per deal from a multiple Cup winning GM. And some of you people act like the sky is falling because DD got 3.5M.

  35. PrimeTime says:

    Lil Dude- LOL. fight your way to happiness yet?? “The Man” gotcha?? Arnarchy winning yet??

  36. PrimeTime says:

    Trini – the “true” idiot from which others should run….. a Leaf fan mentality. “Dress up the ugly girl”

  37. PrimeTime says:

    Ya. Just wanting to exist doesn’t permit you to criticize those want to try to do more. Suffer in your mediocrity but don’t judge others for wanting and trying to fo more. A good thought to pass onto your kids….unless you prefer they be like you

  38. Ozmodiar says:

    I don’t see why there’s much of a debate over this Vinny issue.

    He’s better than DD. If the Habs can sign him to a contract that is comparable to DD’s, then they should do it. …even if they have to pay a bit more, say 4yr/18M.

    Sure he’s getting up there, but @ 33, he still has 4 years left. Look at the recent +35 contracts of MSL and Shane Doan.

    As for DD, he is tradeable, so they’d get an asset in the exchange.

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Bickell apparently willing to take home town discount to stay in Chi-town.


  40. habs001 says:

    I believe Brad May on Sportnet just adv that he spoke to one of VL team mates and from that conversation VL has no intentions at all to play in Canada

    • jphk says:

      Think Vinny is a nice match for Philly…

    • D Mex says:

      What the hell kind of attitude is THAT ( LOL ) 🙂

      Seriously, tho, the guy comes home to experience the game the way it was meant to be experienced, and keeps the house in TB for the early retirement in a couple of years.
      This is when mom & dad should be picking up the phone and sending him the wake-up call, no ?

      ALWAYS Habs –
      D Mex

  41. PrimeTime says:

    Happy people set goals and bust their butts to get close. Some like you only ho

  42. PrimeTime says:

    @Smart Dog and Timo
    Nobody should take any of your posts seriously…and most don’t. Enjoy your mental path of ineptitude. Sucks to live, eh?

  43. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …just dropped-in to see what the mood in the room was on Lecavalier being bought out and being available, and have only time to vote and read a few comments down below

    …My vote is I would like Lecavalier at a reasonable contract, without a long-term …maybe 3 years

    …likely that won’t be enough, as another team will out-bid Us

    …therefore, it coming down to Vin ‘wanting’ to accept a ‘hometown discount’ to end his career, finally, with Montreal

    …though, something tells Me, Vin is not the altruistic type 🙂

    …Yes, if He wants to come, I want him to come

    …if Montreal doesn’t appeal to him, I won’t lose any sleep over it

    …I do know he would be a couple steps up over what DD, Eller brings to the table …and a bit up on Pleks

    …I do know also that Vincent Lecavalier could NEVER carry Jean Beliveau’s jock strap, let alone be compared with Gros Bill, so let’s not as Fans go typically over-board with unrealistic expectations from The Vin

    • Bill says:

      Three years is a pretty long term for a banged-up, on the down-slide centre who hasn’t put up 70 points since before Inception came out.

      He’s no dummy, and he will take the best offer. It just might come from Montreal. If it does … then I will have to conclude that Bergevin really has no plan at all and all that talk about “building the team from within” was BS. I hope that is not the case.

      I don’t think Lecavalier is a huge upgrade from Plekanec, Eller, or Desharnais at this point in his career.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  44. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Why do I have a feeling there will be another big Pittsburgh-Carolina deal at the draft this year…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  45. Timo says:

    What, Letang thinks he is worth more than 7 mil / year? Well… hope Bergevin is paying attention cause Subban is going to be worth more. His agent knows it.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      PK Subban’s next contract negotiation meeting with MB and the capologist:

      MB to PK: “How about taking a home town discount for the good of the team?”

      2 seconds later…

      MB to capologist: “Why is PK on the floor rolling around and laughing?”

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Timo says:

        Yep. It will be a huge FU from PK to Bergevin re home town discount.

      • Bill says:

        It was said many times before the seasons started, MB blew it by not locking PK up at a discount when he had the chance. He stuck to the “bridge contract” philosophy and it was a total fail. Well … it was a big win for PK I guess.

        Probably could have had Subban long term at 5.5 million. Now he’s got a Norris trophy. Bidding starts at 7.0 million.

        I don’t care, he’s worth it, but it would have been nice to have a little extra cap space.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Timo says:

          Ooh… MB is so smart. Oooh, MB knows what he is doing. Oooh, MB has a plan. Tfu!

          • Bill says:

            Gambled and lost. It just sucks when it turns out that internet posters had a better grasp of the situation than an NHL GM. It ruins your faith.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

          • habsfan0 says:

            That was always the case when Gauthier was GM.

        • The Juice says:

          Did anyone know PK was going to win the Norris? Your reasoning has the benefit of hindsight. I’d rather have the Norris winning PK at 7 million per vs. a gamble at $5.5M per.


          “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

          • Bill says:

            It’s not hindsight … it is true that a ton of people called this one before the season started, when the whole Subban contract drama was happening.

            Or maybe it’s just that yesterday’s foresight can be called today’s hindsight?

            Regardless, this was not hard to see coming.

            Full Breezer 4 Life

        • Mark C says:

          I’d take two cheap cap years and performance certinaty over saving $1.5M in cap space on a $64M and likely increasing cap.

  46. PrimeTime says:

    @Lil Dude
    Ya I can!! Pity has no friends. Make sure your boy becomes better than you and doesn’t dis those who do succeed. Price didn’t come from wealth, did he?? His Dad did all he could to support him with very little means. Wanna be a man?? F the Gladiator BS attitude and give your boy tools that will give him more than a life in “the park”. The enemy is within!!!

  47. Mike D says:

    Regarding the Colorado-Calgary trade:

    At first I thought Calgary totally bent Sakic and Roy over on the deal, but I looked at the salaries and see that Jones is making 4mil and is signed for 3 more years…and is coming off a 3-goals/6-assists in 33 games season….which is brutal. While Tanguay might be a little old he is still fairly productive. Calgary still won the deal hands down because O’Brien is a clear upgrade on Sarich and is a steal at only 2mil for the next 2 years, BUT, it’s not quite the robbery I thought it was initially.

    On a related sidenote, Calgary IMO was the worst run franchise in the NHL the past few years, but in short time, Sakic and Roy are challenging them for that title. Especially when you consider making public their plans to draft MacKinnon 1st overall.

    Regarding the Letang-to-Toronto rumours:

    What?!?! I can only assume the only reason this is getting any serious attention is because of the Toronto-centric media. Yes, Pitt is fairly tight against the cap considering they need to sign at least 4 more players to have an adequate roster size, but they have over 7mil in cap space and haven’t used any of their buyouts yet. Also, and this is huge, Letang is already signed for next season at 3.5mil!!! When his contract comes up the cap will have increased and Pitt will have a couple significant salaries coming off the books in Jokinen and Orpik (almost 6mil combined). It also gives them time to make a move or two to clear additional cap space if needed. Shero isn’t stupid and he’s not going to lose such a young and talented Dman. They’ll trade Fleury before they allow that to happen, or even buy him out if absolutely necessary.

    And if the Pens were to trade Letang for some reason, why in their right minds would they trade him to ANY team in the same conference???

    *EDIT* – Just saw the link Habs11s posted below. I still think Letang and Pitt will reach an agreement around 7.5mil/year for max term, but if they don’t, Pitt can trade him wherever THEY want…..and I doubt it would be in the East. Plenty of teams would make them a good offer that would equal what the Leafs can throw at them.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Letang reportedly rejected a $7 million/year contract. The TO rumours only make sense as they are one of the teams stupid enough to pay him more than $7 mill/year.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  48. PrimeTime says:

    MB isn’t going to chase Lecavalier. He doesn’t fit into his plans. He will build “his” team through the draft. He understands the dynamics of the current NHL and is not gonna pick up other teams disposables. No team is gonna pick up his garbage for a high draft pick or a key player. MB is on year 2!! If he fails to get close to the final 4 in 2-3 years then people can judge his decisions. I hope he will lead and not trend like so fans want. Wait 2-3 years. STFU with your criticism until the man had some time to build a team. He ain’t gonna do it today!!

    • mksness says:

      he said he only wants to build via the draft. that’s nice but if he builds by the draft only he most likely won’t be around to watch the team more forward because as it stands this team is pretty much just a playoff bubble team.

    • Random Facts says:

      They’re gonna be a playoff bubble team for a few more years.

  49. habs11s says:

    Looks like Letang is done in Pitts….



    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

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