Hanging the goose egg on a contender

For one night, the Vancouver Cannots.


Quotes from the room

• Red Fisher’s game column

About last night …

• Stubbs: 40 years of Habs-Nux history: just don’t ask Reggie

• Pat Hickey on Alain Vigneault

• Pierre Ladouceur’s game analysis


  1. habfan53 says:

    To do that he would need another 246 wins to pass Plante . If he averaged 40 wins a season it would take 6.15 seasons that would make him only 29 if he sticks it out.

  2. JF says:

    I don’t agree that Kostitsyn is “back to normal.”  He’s much more involved and physical than last year, even though he hasn’t scored in a few games.  But neither have his former linemates.  I think JM should put the Pleks line back together.

  3. Jordio-oh says:

    Fearless prediction: Carey will eventually become the Habs all time leader in regular season wins.

  4. ebk says:


    I’m sure they will have to do some juggling and be creative. It all depends on your point about a self-imposed cap. If they have one, they will need to move players to resign Stamkos.  Stamko’s cap hit won’t exceed $7m, or at least that would be my guess. As pointed out earlier, the market correction for mid to lower tierd players will continue, so really who knows. My guess, is Yzerman will do a very good job and he has a pretty decent base in place now.

  5. habaholic68NJ says:

    Bugs.  That gold medal winning team was so stacked that they could have probably won with you between the pipes. 

  6. HFX-HabFan says:

    That one’s getting really old, dude.

  7. mike g says:

    Many problems in Tampa..

    Like someone pointed out below, they’re attendance is pathetic, so spending to the cap limit will be a challenge unless the current owners are willing to take it in the teeth for a while.

    2nd, they’ll also have to re-sign Hedman, and juding by his excellent 2nd year in the league, he’ll command the big bucks too one day. And Ohlund’s monster contract will bite them in the behind next year and for the next 3 after that.

    3rd, they lack goaltending, and good goaltenders today will set you back 4+ mill per year.

    4th, they botched it at the draft this year like you pointed out yesterday, passing up on an excellent player like Skinner and drafting Connolly instead.

    So, factor in all of those problems, and it ain’t so rosey in Tampa..

    But, let people believe that they’re the greatest thing on earth…..


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  8. Mark C says:

    Tampa is going to have money issues. Next year, the team has about $38M committed to 12 players (1 goalie, 4 D, and 7 Fs). Signing Stamkos for $8M would leave $14M to sign a goalie, at least 2 D, and 4 forwards. Some money will need to be left for signing Hedman and Downie the following year.

  9. SeriousFan09 says:

    The problem is their defence, highly suspect after Hedman and Ohlund (whose contract is too long as well), wildcard goaltending and weak defence is going to cost them if they’re going to live and die on Stamkos’s production.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  10. Timo says:

    In his head he’s been retired since Sather gave him that ridiculous money.

  11. ebk says:

    That’s a really good point.


  12. ebk says:


    Cammy,Gionta and Gomez all signed through 2014 @ $18m. If Tampa has Stamkos, St. Louis and Vinnie for $20m, Considering they’ll produce the Habs trio by a wide-margin.


  13. Mark C says:

    Another question to consider is can the team spend to that cap? Tampa is averaging fewer than 16K per game in attendance; ownership could very well have a self-imposed cap on the team, which is much lower than the NHL’s.



  14. JD_ says:

     He does.

    I’m just makin’ the assumption V’s relationship with the new owner and GM is amicable and, if the destination were agreeable, he’d be willin’ to entertain’ the possibility.

  15. mike g says:

    If I’m not mistaken, Vinny’s got a no movemnet clause…

    So he can’t be waived, sent to the minors, or be traded without his consent.

    He can decide to stay home and they still have to pay him, on the cap too..


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  16. krob1000 says:

    Tampa is about 10 million under the cap Mike…plenty of money moving forward. The key for them will be like with us, having an affordable youth group moving along contributing to the team …and not spending too big on goaltending.  Their forward core is good enough to go Pittsburgh style with though…they are fine.

  17. JD_ says:

    Good one, Chuck.

  18. JD_ says:

    Unless Yzerman wants nothin’ but Bill Guerins fillin’ out the balance of his roster, or wants to go the Loafs route to support Marty, Vinny, and the other Stevie, I have to think he’s gonna have to lose either Vinny or Stamkos, and it won’t be Stamkos.

    It’s gonna turn out to be one of those lopsided trades you get when a gun is to the GM’s head, which is the only way I can see the other side of the trade takin’ on Vinny’s terms.

    Or maybe Stevie Y. lucks out on the prospects front and keeps both. I suppose there are worse problems to be had.

  19. mike g says:

    Ok listen up, you doorknob…

    Vinny’s contract expires in 2048……Hamrlik’s contract is up after this year.

    Marty’s contract if for another 4 years at 4 or 5 mill per year, and he will be 40 when it’s done…..Cammy’s in his prime making 1 million more, so that one is to our advantage. At worst I’ll say it cancels out.

    And Gomez is done in 2014.

    So please tell me how a franchise like Tampa can build their goaltending, defense and 3 forward lines when 20+ mill is gonna be committed to 3 players for a minimum of another 4 years?

    Go eat your cereal, please….


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  20. LA Loyalist says:

    Didn’t Gomez retire?

  21. munch17 says:

    I agree %100.

    I don’t know whether to laugh or cry with 3rd line success.

    darche is an honest guy – he will give you a few good games. Pouliot is the only player on the team who is not a top 6 forward who has the potential to develop into one. I think JM is the only guy in the city who doesn’t get that. He BP has had a 2 game trial with G-G.

    BTW – I am very impressed with the physicality he’s bringing to the game.

    If only he could stay on his feet….

  22. Propwash says:



    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  23. bertuzzisucks says:

    Gomez, Cammy and Hammer are 19.5 million combined.


    So why cant Tampa have their 3 players for 20 million??


    Are you going to bark all day little doggy?
    Or are you going to bite?

  24. SeriousFan09 says:

    Thank you screwed-up ownership in TB nixing the Vinny deal last year, can’t imagine having that nightmare contract on the Habs books. Not sure who’d want to take him, that length, that cap hit… all the GMs dumb enough to take it on are already capped out or too poor.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  25. JD_ says:

    Probably not, but that’s the same reason Van Boxmeer was never re-signed.

  26. Fansincebirth says:

    This is a perfect example of a rule being put in place to stop the deliberate act of shooting the puck over the glass to relieve the pressure. Instead of a ref making a judgement call, it’s carte blanche.

    Dumb de dumb dumb!

    “Without the strength of the past, the team may face a choice – to win, or to be French-Canadian?” — Ken Dryden

  27. SeriousFan09 says:

    Not to  mention Marty’s 35, if he loses a step in his skating it’s going to hurt them badly. Their top prospect had hip issues as junior player and refused to get medical screening before the draft as well. Guy taken right after him is making himself the rookie sensation of the NHL.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  28. habfan53 says:

    Last nights win was Carey Prices 68th moving him ahead of Richard Sevigny and Jocelyn Thibeault. Next up are Brian Hayward and Rick Wamsley.

  29. JD_ says:

    There already is a temporary agreement – the Kovy Amendment – in the CBA that will handcuff Stevie Y. If ever there was pressure to move Vinny, it’s just about now.

  30. Say Ash says:

    Oh, so what’s the school for then?

  31. mike g says:

    Stamkos apparently will want 9 mill per year…

    So I’m sure the Lightning will be forced to sing him to a 15 year deal also, with the money spread out like Kovy’s deal. And expect this to be done before the season ends, or shortly after. Because once the new CBA is discussed, these lifetime contracts will probably be illegal. And if they’re still accepted in the new CBA, they’ll have crazy regulations that you’ll have to follow.

    So, he will get his money and crazy term, simply because he’s Stamkos. He deserves it, but don’t expect Tampa to be successful.

    Him, Vinny and Marty will cost them over 20 mill per year on the cap.

    No team can compete with that chunk going to 3 guys, especially when one of them isn’t even worth a bag of smarties…


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

    I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  32. Hobie Hansen says:

    @ joeybarrie

    -Father time is cathing up with Knuble, his career is ending

    -Guerin is done.

    -Langenbrunner is also slowing down huge.

    -Who cares about Zherdev.

    -Backes would be amazing! 

  33. NightRyder says:

    No to Guerin.

    GAWD no to Langenbrunner.

    Big yes to Backes.

  34. JD_ says:

    Nah, just got an eye for the obscure.

    Guevremont is Rypien thirty years from now.

  35. NightRyder says:

    Ahh, the burdens of expectation (remember those?).

    Based on one game – following a six-game winning streak(!) – the morose ultramaroons out this way are making out like the Canucks lost to the 1975 Capitals.

    I’m not sure whether to laugh or feel insulted.

  36. otter649 says:

    Morning games you can bring in school kids – I would think……..

  37. mike g says:

    Happy with the win last night…

    Just too bad that the 3rd line is playing so well, and that we can’t take Pouliot outta there and give him more minutes. It’s a good problem for the Habs, seeing that the 3rd line is playing excellent hockey, but Benny should be playing in the top 6 instead of Lapierre.

    Max has had 3 years to prove he can be a consistent player, and he still cannot do it. He has 2 good games, followed by 7 invisible ones.

    And I can’t believe I;m saying this, but Benny’s been one of our most involved players all year. He doesn’t miss a chance to finish his checks, and he’s been showing more patience and confidence with the puck. Is this due to him playing vs weaker players on the opposing team? We can’t know for sure, but it could be.

    In any case though, no matter what line he’s played on he’s looked better than Lapierre.

    Play him with AK (who’s back to normal, hate to say I told you so) and Gomez. Get Laps back onto the 4th line, and bump Pyatt/Moen up to the 3rd.

    You understand, JM?


    “These head movies make my eyes rain” -Simple Jack

     I got AK at under 64.5 pts, with Triple X and Tom Nickle.

  38. avatar_58 says:

    I had to laugh when the geniuses behind the sportsnet desk were talking about resigning Stamkos, years, money, etc. Huh? What are they talking about? Stamkos will sign for a gazillion years and be their franchise player, even if it cosst them 95% of the team. This is logic. There’s nothing to discuss. He’s their Crosby/Ovechkin/Gretzky. You do NOT eff around with such a guy.

    Why would ANYONE care what happens to Vinny or St Louis with this guy around? Sign him first then worry.

  39. joeybarrie says:

    I agree with Guerin. And signing him would be dumb if we are to make another move before the trade deadline. However his 4.5 min per game last season on the PP and his 21 goals (11 from pp) and 45 points look good to me right now…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  40. HabFanSince72 says:

    Duhamel pledged the 100K before the tournament started.

  41. Bugs says:

    Yeah, he was just barely good enough to win Olympic Gold against the BEST of the best players in the world.

    Totally agree, Timo.

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  42. dh says:

    Regarding the PP sucking, I don’t know what the answer is but that 4 minute PP was brutal to watch.  It looked like coaching was the problem.  There didn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason to what they were trying to do.

  43. Bugs says:

    Hey! Careful.

    Careful, buddy.

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  44. GrimJim says:

    Rule 63.2 “When any player, while in his defending zone, shoots or bats (using his hand or his stick)  the puck directly (non-deflected) out of the playing surface, except where there is no glass, a penalty shall be assessed for delaying the game. When the puck is shot into the players’ bench, the penalty will not apply. When the puck is shot over the glass ‘behind’ the players’ bench, the penalty will be assessed.”

    What would you be if you were attached to another object by an incline-plan wrapped helically around an axis?

  45. ebk says:

    again. certainly his play has declined, wasn’t disputing that, just the injury-prone and soft attitude statements.

  46. Propwash says:

    Wasn’t Guerin paired with Crosby/Malkin in Pitts? That would definately help his stats.


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  47. avatar_58 says:

    Ooh hey – redesigned bulldogs website. About damn time

  48. Bugs says:

    Agree about the Kid getting more respect after punching guys in his crease in the back’o’the head now. No longer cringing when the puck’s in his zone. Confident. Rubbing hands together in malicious glee with totally unearned vindicated contentment.

    Feel bad sayin this, but who the heck is Guèvremont? Am I bad person for not knowing or are you a freak because you do?

    Aas for the poker-boy, consider that your Halloween thing raised money for the Foundation only and he’ll probably give elsewhere too. I mean, I don’t know that, but if you got 9mil and you give 100k away to a charitable cause the next day you get it, stands to reason you won’t stop there.

    And waitaminnit, waitaminnit, waitaminnit, are you implying…are you implying that…that the leafs are STUPID??? Whaaaaaaat??? The leafs? Noooo… the leafs? Stupid? Them?


    Well, maybe.

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  49. Mark C says:

    Habs top prospect :), David Desharnais just scored, 1-0 Bulldogs in the second. SF09, what’s up with a morning game?

  50. Propwash says:

    I was making a joke, apparently you didn’t get it. Who’s the stupid one now?


    Goalies in Montreal have two roles, netminder and scapegoat. 

  51. SeriousFan09 says:

    I’d take Knuble for sure, Zherdev has no physical power in his game. Backes… I don’t think we can take him without dumping a big contract and who among the vets can we really lose? Yes I know folks let’s send Gomez outta town but realistically it’s not like a lot of teams want his contract. Langenbrunner, he might fit in there as a playoff piece provided the Habs don’t give up much for him, but he and Knuble are rental types and would have to be acquired on the cheap to justify it.

    Guerin, I just think the calender’s finally caught up with him a bit too much.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  52. Omit says:

    You left out Gomez.  Thanks.

  53. SmartDog says:

    Price needs help from the Gomerites.  No matter how bad Gomer is, they always blame it on someone else.  Never his fault.

    If you listen to them, Gomez would be leading the scoring race if Gio had been able to just convert on half the golden opportunities Gomer gave him.  Of course, now on the Pleks line Gio has pulled away from Gomer in points and plus-minus.  Someone else must be the problem on the Gomer line now.


    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  54. JohnBellyful says:

    I haven’t been the same since I bought some bad bubble gum.

  55. joeybarrie says:

    HMMMMM, who is the ONLY player you left out of the doing well column?

    Actually you left out AK too…

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  56. SeriousFan09 says:

    He’s had 4 off-season surgeries, two wrist, one shoulder and now a knee operation. He doesn’t miss a lot of time with the team per say but he has had several surgical procedures to correct physical ailments and these operations seem to have taken a toll on his abilities. He’s not exactly playing like Getzlaf or Eric Staal either when he’s on the ice either.

    You don’t volunteer to get operated on, he’s had injuries and he’s not recovered well from them from indications on his last 2 seasons of NHL scoring or this season’s especially now that Martin St. Louis isn’t on his wing to boost his scoring along.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  57. Bugs says:

    Yeah, like Iginla is doing in Calgary with his whopping 2 goals, right?

    We should be more like Calgary, right Timo?

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  58. joeybarrie says:

    Even more reason to sign Guerin…

    !9th overall last season in Powerplay goals, and led his team with 11. (one more than our team leader Gionta)


    That being said I have been looking at it. Why wouldn’t we assign Boyd to Hamilton? 1.4 million dollars sits in the press box in O’Byrne.

    So whats up? giving us 2.7 million in cap space with Boyd in Hamilton OR in a trade along with O’Byrne….

    Been hearing about alot of scouts in our stands lately…

    Jamie Langenbrunner is a UFA in July and has played with Gomez and Gionta…. 2.8 million cap hit, and because he came in mid season, we would get him under the cap easily….

    Nikolay Zherdev is in his final year and is a cap friendly 2 mil for 25 goals…

    David Backes is a UFA soon and our FAV trade partner owes us a deal according to some…

    Mike Knuble is having a tough time in Washington (expect the last 2 games). UFA and at 2.8 million would be the best signing I could possibly think of…. The have to re-sign Semin, Laich and Fleischmann… Dont see Knuble getting a new deal worthy of his contribution.

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  59. SmartDog says:

    A good observation.  The Habs seem to chop and hack at the puck a lot more, and their passes – especially from some people – aren’t as accurate.

    I’d say passing from the D now that Markov is back is strong, Pleks passing is as good as ever.  Cami and Gio, Halpern and Pouliot are pretty good… Gio’s pretty good.  Outside of that, it’s no-mans land.  Just flick the puck in someone’s general direction and hope they get it. 

    Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!

  60. JD_ says:

    * Thing I’m likin’ about Price is not only the way he wins but also the way he loses. His play has become consistent to the point where I no longer find myself tryin’ to peer through the mesh on his mask whenever the camera’s on him, you know, tryin’ to figure out where his head’s at. His confidence not only has him playin’ bigger in the net, the next time he tries to Hextall someone, he’ll do it with the panache borne of street cred. On the fair assumption the Habs will not finish the season with 150 points, I can stomach losses if he continues to play this way. Heck, he’s built enough equity with the Bell Centre crowd that even a complete stinker won’t trigger Fansolvency™.

    * Stubbs has some interestin’ Canucks lore in this mornin’s Gazette. Have a couple o’ Nucks stories of my own, includin’ one involvin’ former Hab Ryan Walter, and another that happened about 15 years ago at a hockey trade show at Place Bonaventure in Montreal. Was strollin’ around when this 50-ish, tall and lanky guy comes around the corner. He looks familiar. Somethin’ clicks. “Jocelyn Guevremont. Nice to meet you.”, I say as I put my hand out to shake his. “Wow! Only two people have recognized me since I retired [1980],” he retorts, “and you’re number two.” Guevremont was so utterly thrilled to be remembered, he insisted I come to whatever-company-it-was-he-was-workin’-with’s reception over at the Chateau Champlain, “Bring your friends!” Straight-up chap. Good times.

    * “Steven [Stamkos] is not ready for the NHL.” Hey, Barry Melrose, think he’s ready now, ya goofy bag o’ do?

    * Reignin’ WSOP no-limit holdem world champ Jonathan Duhamel is donatin’ $100K to the Montreal Canadiens Children’s Foundation, the single-largest donation to date and, oh, I dunno, just a skate blade more than we were able to raise for the Foundation on Halloween night.

    * To quote the ever-frustrated Elmer Fudd, “Shhh! Be vewy, vewy quiet.” If you do, you can just barely hear the hummin’ blades of the Mopey Loaf RookieGrinder™ gettin’ set to chew up and spit out Nazem Kadri. After callin’ the movers and reservin’ a pile of cardboard boxes on behalf of head coach Ron Wilson – I mean, it’s not like Burkie’s entirely heartless – his next call will almost certainly be to Dave Nonis, GM of the Toronto Marlies, “We think Nazem’s ready, Bill. What’s that? Dave? Yeah, whatever. Send him over. He’s ready.” What Burkie will really mean by “ready” is everyone in the Loafs org has run out of ideas, is prepared to cross their fingers, and, hey, if it doesn’t work out, it’s not like he and Wilson haven’t already crapped all over the kid. It’s old hat.

  61. Bugs says:

    Well, tell our good friend in Halifax (or whatever) that the Nuck were “so much better” that they lost, ok?

    And to pick me up some’o’those First Nations sandals they sell next time she reports to back Victoria. Aw’iiiight?

    Unnnnh! (z-formation finger-snap) Yowza!

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  62. otter649 says:

    Markov got called for the same pentalty a couple of years ago when the puck was on end in the defensive zone & his clearing shot went the length of the ice over the net and hitting the netting & as well as creating a 5 on 3 advantage against The Habs……….

  63. ebk says:

    bored today and finally have some extra time.  keep up the good posts.

  64. SeriousFan09 says:

    It’s the Panthers curse, you play there and it pretty much negates your big-game ability.


    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.

  65. Bugs says:

    And I’M called a weirdo???

    I don’t think that’s very fair.

    Despicably despondent, I yawn as

    L.Bugs Potter, esq. Minority Owner of the Habbalicious Bubble-Gum Emporium, Proprietor of the Flanneltop Pop Shop, and Beaming Tenant in Mama’s Basement, i.e., Habsbros Central: http://habsbros.blogspot.com

  66. JohnBellyful says:

    To recap from earlier postings: My Heart predicted the Habs would go 3-2 in their first five games, my Head said 2-3. The team went 3-1-1. My Heart was off the mark by one point, a deviation from reality of 15 per cent, or, in other words, it was 85 per cent correct. (My mind, on the other hand, deviated from reality by 43 per cent. Par for the course, actually.)

    After taking the measure of the team, Heart predicted the Habs would go 6-4 in their next 10 games. My Head said 5-5. My Heart was spot on – the team went 6-4. Overall, the team is 9-5-1; my Heart had predicted 9-6-0. In other words, it was 95 per cent correct.

    Here’s what lies ahead for the Habs’ next 20 games:
    HOME: Hurricanes, Flyers, Predators, Leafs, Kings, Sabres, Oilers, Sharks, Senators, Flyers, Bruins
    AWAY: Bruins, Flyers, Thrashers, Devils, Red Wings, Leafs, Avalanche, Stars, Hurricanes

    Okay, Heart, what is it? 9-9-2. Head? 7-10-3.
    I know what you’re thinking: Give my Head a shake.

    Uh oh – concussion!

  67. cautiousoptimist says:

    Man I love J.T.’s commentaries.  From her site: “The Canucks are so much better than the Canadiens with their sticks in
    close quarters, it’s like watching the Chinese national ping pong team
    versus the British Open lawn darts champs. In ping pong.”

    1. http://www.flickeringpictures.com – not a hockey site, but still kinda neat
    2. Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”
  68. G-Man says:

    Those “soft” goals were what caused his W-L record last year to be crap.

    A differing opinion must mean we are all Price-bashing spinners. From Jan 09 until just recently, Price has played average to below average. Get over it.

  69. Omit says:


    You keep posting like this and I’ll have to change my name. What has happened to you?

  70. HFX-HabFan says:

    Jan Lasak FTW

  71. punkster says:

    Seems there’s alot of that going around these days.

  72. krob1000 says:

    hey..glad to see you are still kicking around on here Earl.

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