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The PP will vastly improve once Markov hits his stride. There are a few players in a slump right now, but the talent is definitely there. As Price once stated, people should relax.
Oh, and somebody should tell Cammillari to stop that dipsy-doodle little cute plays BS and play like he wants to win not impress the crowd. Sheesh!
Nah. It’s Boston. They will always be in our shadow.
Problem with PP is that guys are too stationary. There is little movement from players and plays they make are very predictable. Couple that with nobody sitting on top of the goalie (hence, nothing do distract the PK) and voila, it’s a simple 4 man box and just keeping the pack out.
A little drastic don’t you think. Chris Lee is a TERRIBLE ref. There is no denying this.
There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…
SF09 never lets the facts get in the way of a good theory.
Like I said, to me the same way that a goal, save, off-side, icing, or penalty delays the game.
Andddd the stupidity of hab fans comes out yet again
Canucks will never be contenders with Luongo. This sieve will always lay a big (6 or 7 goal) goose egg in game 7 at one point or other. Luongo is not a pressure goaltender and he is getting worse and worse and years go buy.
What do you mean MAB is not an answer?!
I see what your saying. I agree. I still think the cycle is important. Our PP was so good, and I remember how great we were cycling during. I remember we were keeping the puck and opening up other players, and then when they get the puck the PK is dis organized and confused. We were taking advantage of that. We also had dangerous point shots, side shots (cammi) AND AK’s wristers and passes… Now we seem to be lucky if we even get an opportunity to do anything.
It is probably the same solution to the problems with Gio and Gomez, and now AK and Cammi. The players don’t seem to be on the exact same page moving through the neutral zone. More offsides, more pucks to far ahead or into skates. The passes are not bad, because the passes are dictated by the opponents positioning. Its the receiving to me that is off, we are either too far ahead or too far behind.
I thik its a case of going left and passing the puck right. Whatever it is, we REALLY REALLY need it to get better.
ESPECIALLY against Boston.
The rule prevents that play from becoming a tactic. And, yes, it does delay the game.
But when we dump it in it is still one guy carrying the puck through the neautral zone while everyone else is waiting at the blueline and then chasing from a disadvantaged postion. When we do it we predictably try to win the race and ring it around the boards..it is too predictable and we are starting at a disadvantage. I think once we get set up we are generating chances personally…hitting the net…that is a huge issue right now. The corners shouldn’t be an issue once teams respect us ast hey will hold their box and the corners shouldn’t be a part of a successful pp other than for retrieval. We are definitely hurried but that is because teams are pressuring us so much because they have no respect…nor should they right now. I still think more guys travelling quicker are necessary though…..dump ins only work if your team will win the race to the puck….having one more player on the ice doesn’t ensure that…having one guy in a position to win that race, with support when he does will change that IMO.
“Having that other goalie from Slovakia around wouldn’t change our record”
Who on earth are you talking about? Is it Peter Budaj?
“Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”
Back to the ’70’s?
Toronto definitely sucks at snow removal.
Thoughts from last night’s game:
-I haven’t been able to see as much of the Canucks as in previous seasons, but if they really are supposed to be the Great White Hope as Canada’s top Cup-contending team this year, then they have a lot of work to do. Our forecheck stifled their breakout and made their D look very ordinary/next to awful for some stretches.
-I like Dan Hamhuis and thought highly of him for his play in Nashville and for Canada at the Worlds, but he was pretty bad last night, coughing the puck up on more than one occasion.
-The Sedins were practically invisible all night, save for some nice puck movement on one of the VAN power plays, and the semi-breakaway that Daniel got. Other than that, we shut them down nicely.
-Ryan Kesler is a Mike Fisher-type of guy that you hate to play against but would love to have on your own team. I didn’t like him (and Burrows, but it’s expected from Burrow, that twit) trying to draw some penalties by faking being clipped or diving around.
-Eller played his best game in the last little while, but I’m sure JM wants to see better play without the puck before the Dane gets more minutes.
-Subban’s ice time has been down the last couple of games (likely a result of Markov taking on more minutes), but I thought last night he played more relaxed and confident than in a while.
-Our power play still sucks, but MAB is not the answer.
-Carey Price made some great saves and deserved the shutout. Before the season began, I maintained that Price simply had to play at his ’07-’08 level and we’d be fine in net. Having more offensive support (as he did in ’07-’08), namely 5 on 5 scoring, would be the key to our success, and it still is. Price is doing just fine. Having that other goalie from Slovakia around wouldn’t change our record, because how our team finishes this season will be a result of our offensive output, not how well our goalie plays.
Bring on the ‘Ruins! Let’s dropkick some Murphys in Beantown tomorrow night!
I guess so. Still doesn’t seem right though.
The fact that he was in our own zone.
I’m not sure about the rule, but I thought the call would be to bring the puck back to our end and that’s it. That would seem to be punishment enough. As you say, puck fly up there all the time so what made that so special?
Anybody else notice the post time is still daylight saving
The rule doesn’t relate to where the puck goes over thie glass, only where it was shot from by the offending player.
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It is a stupid rule. However, it is a rule. You have to draw the line somewhere. Simply put ANYTIME a player shoots the puck out of the rink directly from their defensive zone, you get a delay-of-game penalty.
My question is this… WHY IS IT A DELAY OF GAME PENALTY? There is NO delay in the game if it is done. The clock stops and there is a face-off in your own zone. Nothing benefitted but killing the sustained pressure the opposing team is getting. To me, to the same extent, a goal is the same delay of game…
I don’t like it, but it does add a certain aspect to the game. Simply put, you can’t just shoot the puck ANYWHERE to get rid of it, you HAVE to try to play it. Keeping it in the game. I kind of like it. BUT I can’t specifically remember how many times the game stopped before the rule because of that, so I have no frame of reference.
It’s par for the course when it comes to Chris Lee
PP is gettingo respect and has no confidence….seems to be some sort of idea that one guy has to carry the pcuk in for some reason and start in our end with a head of steam while everyone else stands still and waits. Right now because we are getting norespect and have no confidene teams are abandoning teh box and just pressuring us, it is working as we are panicking too often. A few crisp pp goals and that gets resolved but right now there are some serious issues…Gomez, Cammi, Subban seem to be the annointed ones to carry the puck in and set up….but everyone we play knows that…it seems we gaint he zone with only the intention of setting up….maybe we should treat the entry like a rush and play for the goal and keep the defenders honest…stopping and circling at the top of the circles is not working. Once we are set up we are threatening but as long as we have no confidence and get no respect then setting up against aggressive pk’s will just keep getting more and more difficult….let’s start attacking the zone with multiple layers having speed, force the other team to respect that speed, it makes it easier to retrieve pucks dumped behind them as well, and it gainst eh blueline but right now we have somer serious issues. I also think the cannon from the point is playing a role here too but hat is once the setup is established and right ow that isn’t even being accomplished…..have to start being more aggressive nt he neutral zone with more than one guy entering with a lot of speed….way too rpedicatble and defensible…especially if it is gomez as he is no threat to continue towards the net and even Subban is obviously going to need to retreat as he is a dman…it is getting old real quick. Need more speed in the netral zone and more guys attacking to open that space…
I disagree with the head of steam theory. Gomez isnt on the first wave of the PP, and I have seen us trying different things like slap the puck into the corners and dump it in…Pass it in, and carry it in by Subban, Pleks, Gomez and others. I don’t think that is a significant problem.
For me the big problems are:
We cannot sustain any pressure.
We cant hit the net.
We have no set up.
We cant cycle in the corners and come out with the puck.
We seem hurried in our PP attempts, and we don’t have any control of the game when we are outnumbering the opposition. We look lost and challenged instead of our normal superior selves. We could hold on to the puck and move it around. Now we are lucky if we can put together 3 passes without giving it up or shooting from a difficult spot.
You’re right. We need to turn the clock back. Back to when our first two lines were an offensive threat.
don’t bring reality into the conversation, just let the price bashers spin away.
It’s not just the Leafs, It is a Toronto vs Montreal whether it be Hockey, Football, Film Festivals or snow removal.
This is entertaing stuff. Good on Giguere. I’m so glad I’m not a Leafs fan.
Is that why the Habs have been doing so well in the last few years??? Cause The Leafs lose ALOT???
Funny that he said this
“This is a young group; we should have energy every game,” said
Giguere, on the losing end of a 4-0 decision Tuesday night. “We
shouldn’t be tired. We have lots of days off.
“If you’re tired, you’ve got to rethink what you’re doing, because this is unacceptable.”
…..after Sat’s game the team went to a club called Muzik and partied “like rcok stars” in the VIP Room until closing. My friend was with them and others. She didn’t mention names (doesn’t know many) but all had a good time!! True story.
Certainly he’s declined in performance but the injure-prone and general soft attitude are a pretty big reach. he’s missed 11 games in the last 6 years. played all last year, missed 5 the year before, so injure-prone kinda seems like the opposite of what he is
Something is bothering me…I do not understand Chris Lee’s delay-of-game penalty to Pleky at the end of the first period! I mean, Yes, it hit the netting behind Luongo, but….It was shot from OUR zone…DOWn the ice.. INTO the mesh…pucks fly up there all the time..How can you delay a game…when you shoot the puck into the mesh from your own zone? I’m baffled “a-la-max”
On to more frustrating things…………
I am happy with last night’s win… Pretty good day. Great night in my fantasy league. Leafs lost. so SMILES all around…
OUR POWER PLAY IS PATHETIC. We can’t set up in the offensive zone. We can’t cycle, we can’t keep the puck, and we can’t shoot on the net. In fact the only reason we scored last night on the PP was because we DIDN’T hit the net with the first shot.
Special teams indeed…. I am very very happy with the PK, but we really need to focus on the PP.
The opposite teams have been getting good chances off our PP, the players killing the penalty don’t get tired, and really we get absolutely NOTHING for the penalty. I don’t know what the solution is…. It isnt picking up any particular players. Cause we can’t get 5 new ones to replace the CRAPPY guys playing right now.
I truly believe the stress I endure during our wins by 1 goal are the result of a poor PP. I should at least be able to breathe with 2 min left of a game. (Not last night cause I wanted Pricey to get the shut-out)
He wasn’t fantastic, but considering the situations that he had to play in he wasn’t that bad, either. Blanket statements like “a deflating soft goal pretty much every game” is inaccurate.
Did he do it in french or english?
First, how many “deflating soft goals” did he allow last year? Sorry, I have a hard time believing that before last night’s game Price had the same SV% as a year ago, yet has cut down on these soft goals from one a game to next to none. Price has certainly allowed fewer goals and less bad goals than a year ago, but I think this while idea about him allowing all these soft goals last year is really overblown.
Im in SHOCK… Clay is coming around.
A ‘little’ overboard?
what really burns me….if price has one bad game he should be traded he’s no good and what ever….when you have eighteen players in front of him on most nights have a hard time scoring that’s ok….just move them around and they’ll be ok….bottom line there’s a double standard….when it comes to players verse’s goalie.
That’s what the Rocket thinks.
Clay is taking a massive step by admitting that Price is playing well. Let’s not ask too much of him by trying to get him to admit that Price wasn’t the worst player in the league last year.
No, Price’s play last year was NOT that good. Allowing a deflating soft goal pretty much every game was what turned a good effort into a poor one.
This year, he has allowed fewer deflating goals.
it is interesting that many posters are so obsessed with the leafs who have been insignificant for the most part of 4 decades…many times a leaf win is more beneficial for the habs than a lose
Price played liek Price last night…the Price that took the league by storm his first year…he played big, he challenged shooters at the top of the crease and made them hit him in the chest. He looks confident was squaring up and hustling to the open ice outside the paint to challenge shooters and it was fantastic to see. The D needs to be responsible though when he plays liket hat because it means rebounds and loose pucks become more dangerous but last night was great…..on the flip side when he challenges it menas more pucks hit him in the breadbasket and those are the ones he shouldn;t leave rebounds on. Shots that would find holes and corners looked harmless last night and his aggressive play was a big reason. If Price does not play like that he makes the fact he is a big guy irrelevant but when he challenges his size becomes very intimidating and difficult ot combat.
Price when he struggles plays deep and has to scramble, lets the puck play him and then starts overcommitting and scrambling…and Price is not cut out for the scrambling…Tim Thomas or Dom Hasek he is not. A hybrid between a Brodeur and a Giguere is probably where he should try and be…Brodeur plays a hybrid style and Giguere relies on angles and size…Price is still two years behind Halak and perople forget that but Price with confidence is a very,very good gaolie. Halak is too but I still think the decision was the right one…all things considered….I know nobody that is a Halak fan cares about the salary implications or the years to UFA, the size, the age,etc but they all matter (especially wtih some of the deals we have onour books) and in retrospect I would make the same trade.
Burke is gonna say “In Vancouver, my goalies never called out their teammates.”
“It must be love!”
Lecavalier has become injury-prone and is not what he once was, either injuries taking their toll or his general soft attitude taking hold. Gagne is on IR and no one knows when he’ll be back or if he’ll be useful when he is back. After Hedman and Ohlund, they have a soft D corps and still only St. Louis and Stamkos can reliably produce, Downie is a wild card because of his attitude and antics.
Their O will be built around Stamkos but that will also mean he will get targeted, he won’t get the space he’s getting all year I suspect, Ovechkin rarely gets an inch to move these days compared to his earlier seasons. Stamkos will not always have the oppourtunities he has now.
– I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
Stamkos has now scored an outrageous 30% of Tampa’s goals.
I’d say Raycroft was worse than nothing in his time in Toronto. All Boston needs is a Ryan Murphy, Adam Larsson, and Ryan Nugget-Hopkins type player, I don’t even want to think of the fallout around here if they drafted Couturier. Let’s go Leafs! I’m down for pulling for 9th place for them.
they are better than that…Vinny and Gagne haven’t got going, Downie can play, Malone, Moore as we saw can contribute and Hedman is a force on D, goaltending is their wildcard IMO. Boucher’s crazy aggressive system is also a factor as it thorws teams for a loop but Tampa is not a flash in the pan IMO. Tampa will be right there this year near the top of the standings and Stamkos is the clset thing this game has to BRett Hull…unreal that kid is…he is BRett Hull with speed which is really, really scary. HE is also scoring dirty goals this year…I pegged him at the beginning fot eh season to score 65 goals or maybe even more…he is that good. His ability to find seams, commitment to conditioning and strength, willingness to not score only the pretty ones but go to the net, the fact he has support with the other forwards….make for a great set of circumstances whereby he can hit 65 or more goals IMO.
Price himself has admitted he played bad last season. He seemed to struggle a bit after his injury, which is completely normal for hockey players. People went a little overboard with Price saying he’s no good and we should get rid of him.
It’s a team that lives and dies on Stamkos and St. Louis generating all the offence. How long can that hold up?
Not to mention Ferguson giving them Rask for next to nothing in return. God help us if Toronto finishes last this year. We will live in Boston’s shadow for the next 15 seasons.
I want Toronto to finish 9th at the end of the year. That’s a win-win situation.
A 4-0 win and 4th in the conference… all pretty good for a team that missed the playoffs last year.
Listen to the SmartDog. He knows his poop!
Well, first things first, the perception of Price’s play last year was wrong by many fans. Price’s play was better than many fans give him credit for. As a team, Montreal has a done a great job and reducing shots this year, which allows Price’s to have a lower SH% while still allowing less goals.
Maybe the biggest thing is sample size. After last night’s 35 for 35, Price’s SV% is .919%, an .008% jump thanks to one game.
How do they like Brian Burke now?
Well i dont have the stats off-hand but im guessing he has more starts as of now than last year, and also last year we had another #1 goalie we could rely on, so fans could be quicker to ask for Carey’s head.
And of course, if you read/hear alot about how a player is struggling, you’ll be on the lookout for any mistakes that player makes…
Poutine, the perfect trio, on any line.
You don’t think it has something to do with .87 fewer goals scored when he was in nets as opposed to Halak? Or, how about Markov being injured early in the season and 11 new faces on the team taking some time to get used to each other?
This season with MTL limiting chances more often, keeping the SA average lower than last season (27-28 per rather than 32 per game) save percentage can be thrown off with 3 goals on 25 shots or 2 goals on 20 shots. He’s got a solid 2.28 GAA, compared to a 2.77 last season. He is of course making the key saves more often as well, dropping his GAA by about .5 a game compared to last year.
Save % I find is best used to examine a goalie who is often bombarded (Vokoun, Ward) while a goalie who gets less work (Whoever’s in DET/CHI nets) can have their performance read by GAA.
Tell you what SF09, I’m really starting to come around on Burke, he’s a hell of a GM. Might not want him as the GM of your team, but he can sure build a team.
Seguin’s production per ice time is just as good as Kessel’s. Horton, who Boston acquired because they had an extra 1st round pick, is leading the B’s in goals and points. Burke’s done a great job setting up the B’s for the next 10 years or so.
Because it’s not only how many goals you let in, but when you let them in. Last season in a close game Price invariably let in a bad goal late, and it cost us the game. This season he is showing confidence, and making the big saves at the crutial points in the game. It’s not only perception – he is doing better this season thus far.
Code: We’re shaking up the lines to add offense.
Translation: I’m pulling names out of a hat and hoping it works.
Hehe that was a fun read, although i didnt see the games.
J.T.’s take on Habs’ great win.
From the Toronto Star: Leafs coach Ron Wilson’s assessment of the game:
“We had some great chances and we made their goalie look like an all-star,” said Wilson. “We never gave up. The only thing is we didn’t score ….”
And hockey fans have to put up with that type of crap on the headline story on TSN and watch the Leafs on HNIC’s national coverage.
It’s time fans across Canada get to see exciting hockey with the best crowd at the Bell Centre on Saturday nights.
“It’s too much for one guy to shoulder. For us, we’re going to do it as a group. It’s about sharing that responsibility win or lose.” – Mike Cammalleri
Habs fans, it turns out today that you can have your cake and eat it, too:
After Leafs’ sixth straight loss, Giguere blasts teammates
Sorry if this was already posted
Why not shake it up a little, can’t hurt and I still don’t hate the All-Star Game, I enjoy a good skills game once a year that lets the top players hot-dog it a little.
Last night I became pretty frustrated with Gomez. I spent most of the day yesterday replying to posts about how terrible he is and blah blah blah. I was upset at the fact that Gomez is the bad one and the rest of the guys who haven’t been producing in the last 6 games are getting off without mention. All this due to his salary. To me seems stupid. That being said, he passed the puck a few times I thought he should have shot looking for a rebound, and GOD FORBID maybe even a goal. However there were a few times he did shoot the puck and I started thinking about whether all the crap he has been getting is starting to mess with my mind. YES, he isnt playing great, and will probably never play to what we expect of him (but then can ANYONE?). But I started to wonder about a stat I saw at the begining of the game….
The stat was this. Carey Price sv% .911. So I told my wife, that that was actually WORSE than his sv% for last season. She innocently asked me about why everyone thought he did so poorly last season. I said that he let in some soft goals. She said, but based on that number doesn’t that mean he stopped about as many pucks last year as he did this year….? I did not have an answer. So I started to wonder about what happens to perception when everyone is saying how bad he is doing, yet saving the exact same percentage.
So I was thinking about this. When we are WAITING for the player to mess up, how much worse do we perceive his performance.
Why is it that if Price played a .912% last season, we see him being SO MUCH better this season at .911%?
Still surging? They’ve only won 1 of their last 4, 3 of their last 7.
Besides, we don’t want the Loafs doing this badly, do we want the Bruins to select in the Top 5 again? Brian Burke is building a hell of a team in Boston.
It’s almost like winning twice.
Laffs were beaten by the Bolts who are still surging.
Hockey All-Star game, the reality show!
eh thats all i could think about when i heard about that, lets bring in some cheap thrills that work on reality tv
Great game last night, not perfect, but a great win still. Price was awesome, and he keeps gaining ground with the few remaining Price-bashers. Hammer and Spatch did really good against the Sedins. Markov breathed a little bit of life in our power play.
Couple of things : weird penalty on Plekky, that was lame, watch your shot!The opening for “les méchants mardi malade de Molson” yea that almost made me “malade”. yuk.When that Canucks defenceman put the pick over the boards for delay of game, i couldnt help but think about O’byrne…
edit : whats makes a shutout agains a tough team even sweeter?? The Loafs getting blanked on the same night!
I wouldn’t want to be the one doing the picking. Damned if you do, danmed if you don’t (in regards to picking certain players).
Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
— Bertrand Russell
Just saw that the NHL is going to re-vamp the All-Star Game: Two captains selected, and they will draft players from a 42-player pool! Souds pretty cool, although I wouldn’t want to be the one picked last…
—Hope Springs Eternal—
The best thing about that game was watching Price play…confident, and at the top of his crease – not backing in to his net like last season (and beyond). Looks to have his mojo back. Good thing too, because Halak is tearing it up, and the trade would look so bad if Price wasn’t playing to his potential.
Worst thing about the game was watching Gomez again go pointless. Pointless is actually as good word to describe ‘The 8 Million Dollar Wonder’ – he was a pointless acquisition.
Man is a credulous animal, and must believe something; in the absence of good grounds for belief, he will be satisfied with bad ones.
Made even sweeeeeter by the Laffs’ 6th consecutive loss.
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