Hamrlik to get contract offer: report

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According to La Presse, the Canadiens will make a new contract offer to defenceman Roman Hamrlik.

Hamrlik’s agent, Petr Svoboda, confirmed to the newspaper that Canadiens general manager Pierre Gauthier would make an offer in the coming days, without commenting on a possible duration or value of the deal.

The native of Zlin, in the Czech Republic, played in 79 games for the Canadiens last season and has made it clear several times that he likes playing in Montreal and would like to continue his career here.

Hamrlik, 37, could become an unrestricted free agent on July 1 if no deal with the Canadiens is reached. The veteran is completing a four-year deal that paid him $5.5 million last season.

This follows on rumblings Tuesday that the Canadiens were close to re-signing Andrei Markov to a two-year deal, a report that was quickly dismissed by agent Don Meehan.

480 Comments

  1. Chester says:

    You know I have nothing against Hammer, but given a choice between The Wiz and him ya gotta go with The Wiz. We have young D Men Down on the Farm (Feat), we should be letting Hammer go and locking up The Wiz. Provided we sign Vodkov and Georges.

  2. Psycho29 says:

    A lot of criticism and people looking for the nearest bridge to jump off because the Habs are signing Hamrlik and possibly not Wizniewski….

    Isn’t it possible that:

    1) J.W. has informed the Habs that he has no intention of signing here, and wants to play somewhere else, like near his home, Detroit?

    or:

    2) Other moves are in the works that will be made easier by having certain players under contract to facilitate moving them?

    It’s kind of like watching what seems like a crappy movie, only to find out in the last 10 minutes it wasn’t so bad after all….

    • TomNickle says:

      With Gorges, Markov, Weber, White and Pyatt or Pouliot signed this team was still in a position to have over $10 million in cap room. Adding Hamrlik doesn’t improve or lessen the chances of addressing other roster needs. All it does is provide insurance for an injury or bump Yemelin or Weber out of the lineup. People are really hoping it isn’t the latter.

      • D Mex says:

        Correctly noted below that this is rumour only, for now.

        When Hamrlik arrived, he was the replacement for Souray – even took his jersey number. I used to wax on about how good it was that Hamrlik was in Montreal because he wanted to BE in Montreal. Times have changed, sort of : Souray is who-knows-where possibly waiting to be bought out, and Hamrlik (reportedly) wants to remain in Montreal, which is fine.

        Hamrlik brings durability and good (not exceptional) size to the table. At this point in his career, he strikes me as ‘ high average ‘ but, like many here, I want to see more than that on the roster to start 2011-12. Having Wizniewski on board for a full season, along with Markov and Subban, would make for an explosive blueline on the PP, but leaves us short in the size department.

        Mara has decent size altho his durability is unknown. Assuming no Hamrlik, could Mara or Henry take that spot to round out an affordable, effective D-Corps heading into the new season ?

        ALWAYS Habs -
        D Mex

        • TomNickle says:

          We don’t need any of those players that you just mentioned. Not one of them. We will have Markov, Gorges, Subban, Gill, Yemelin, Spacek and Weber.

          We also have Nash and Diaz ready to come up on a moment’s notice.

          • D Mex says:

            Spacek’s best hockey is all behind him, I have no problem seeing him go. And I certainly wasn’t suggesting that Souray return, just mentioned him to context the Hamrlik acquisition.
            I am fine seeing Hamrlik walk, provided he is not replaced by a smurf D-Man such as Weber. If we can’t get the size we need up front, there is only one other place to put it.

            ALWAYS Habs -
            D Mex

          • TomNickle says:

            You really think Hamrlik adds more of a physical element than Weber?

            I can’t remember the last time that man threw an open ice hit. Can’t remember the last time he was physical with anyone in front of the net.

            Weber is an upgrade on Hamrlik in the physicality department. Size doesn’t mean a damn thing if you don’t use it.

          • D Mex says:

            The names I mentioned originally were Mara and Henry – they are both physical when they play.
            Weber bounces off of ANYone he tries to hit, which would be fine if he had some compensating strength to support his quest to play D in the NHL. Unfortunately, he does not, unless you view the current lack of Habs alternatives on D as HIS compensating strength.
            His only value to this team is as a sometimes forward, sometimes shot from the point. Oh, and he fits the cap.

            ALWAYS Habs -
            D Mex

          • JIMVINNY says:

            @ TomNickle, response to your post a couple above this one…

            You hate Hamrlik, so of course you never see him do anything that you like. Your anti-Hamrlik bias is infamous around here. He doesn’t often hit hard, but he *usually plays positionally sound. But if you really don’t think he never hits anyone, go youtube his highlight reel knocks on Lucic.

            and I cannot believe that you actually said Weber is an upgrade on Hamrlik in the physicality department. That’s ridiculous, even for you.

  3. ABHabsfan says:

    We should all remember that this is a RUMOUR. Doesn’t mean that Hammer is staying for sure. Plenty of rumours never pan out, as Hab fans we should know this better than most. Also a contract offer doesn’t mean a good offer. In contracting we call some tenders a “f-off price” meaning we offer but we don’t really want it. Could be that the rumoured impending offer could be one of those. So low that it would never be accepted and if it is it ‘s not going to kill you. Then when Hamrlik rejects it the Habs can say “well we offered”. I really can’t see how offering a legitimate contract to a 38 yr old average d-man is good business. I have nothing against Hammer, he was a great player for the Habs over the last 5 years, but the time comes for every player and team to move on

  4. josh_14 says:

    LISTEN PIERRE GAUTHIER DONT BE STUPIED RE SIGN MARKOV AND GORGES LIKE YOUR GOING TO AND RE SIGN JAMES WISNIESZKI HES DONE A LOT FOR MTL THIS YEAR HE COULD HELP US WIN THE CUP NEXT YEAR THIS SHOULD BE ARE DEFENSEMEN LINES IF YOU DECIDE TO RE SIGN HAMRILK

    MARKOV-GORGES
    WIZ-HAMRILK(YELEMIN)
    GILL-SUBBAN
    WEBER AS BACK UP

    IF WE LET WISNIESZKI GO I BET YOU WE WILL REGRET WHEN IT COMES THE TIME TO PLAY HIM WHEN HES DETROIT WE ALREADY HAVE HARD TIMES BEATING DETROIT IMAGINE WITH WIZ ALONG WITH THEM SO RESIGN MARKOV GORGES AND WISNIESZKI AND JUST THEM THREE WILL HAVE AN AMAZING DEFENSIVE LINES THAT WE’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR ALL THESE YEARS

  5. lenny says:

    I’m actually too pissed to comment…nothing against Hammer, but seriously is this what we really need…Damn, I made a comment!

    I hate the Bruins, really I do!

  6. habaddict_andy says:

    Does that mean Yemelin will play in KHL again this coming season? Or are we trading Spacek. I would like to see Yemelin get a chance to play regular time.

    Go! Hockey! Go!

    • habaddict_andy says:

      Didn’t think I guess before posting. Markov, when he sign, will replace Wiz, he is an over all better player than Wiz. We add Yemelin in the mix. With Gorges back, we have a very good defense corps even with Hamrlik back. He will probably sign with a discount, 3mn?

      Go! Hockey! Go!

  7. HabFanSince72 says:

    Laugh now at the Bryz deal. It’s going to really bite us in the rear next year.

    He has roughly the same numbers as Price (save %, starts, wins). How much are we going to have to pay Price next year?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      my thoughts exactly… thanks alot Flyers

    • JD_ says:

      Add to that Friedman’s speculation Luongo loves his teammates but can’t stand the fan base. It’s called danger pay.

      If Carey has another good year next year, my guess is 40 years, $1.2B. This will be on top of Poindexter Bentley Subban’s 3 years, $120M.

      Gomer’s in the ‘Peg no later than 2012-13.

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      So you really want to tie all that money up in the Wiz now?

      I think Subban will also need a HEFTY raise at that time?

      There is a reason PG has been involved in hockey at the management level for a long time…and here we are sitting at a computer playing GM. Are we any better than Eklund

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Okay we all come up with ridiculous theories now and then, but to compare us to Eklund, come on we are not bruin fans you can’t do that to us. River, used to love your stuff, now you going overboard, down the river! Please take back the Eklund…..

      • ed lopaz says:

        Subban will get about 4 million and 3 years; and then his next deal will be in 6 million range. he is still way too young for a massive 30 million 5 x 6 million deal.

        That means Subban will need a 3 million dollar raise.

        Price will get about a 3 million raise as well to about 5-6 million.

        So we will need to find 6 million per to sign BOTH.

        Spacek will be off the books (unless Gauthier wants to re-sign him!! :-)

        which will bring almost 4 million, plus Gil might not be re-signed (2.5) or there could easily be another raise in the Cap, or many other ways to generate 2.5 million.

        With the Cap skyrocketing every year its seems, and Spacek and Hamrlik ready for their condo living in beautiful downtown
        Marlenbad,

        WE WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO SIGN PRICE AND SUBBAN.

        here,s the link for those who want to visit Marlenbad.

        http://www.danubiushotels.com/en/health_spa_and_wellness/destinations_and_health_spa_resorts/spa_resorts_in_czech_republic

        Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

        • TomNickle says:

          Ed, you’re forgetting about Yemelin, Eller, Kostitsyn and possibly Gill, Gorges and Weber.

          • ed lopaz says:

            I’m not really. None of those guys will be due a substantial raise that would cause a GM to make sacrifices this season.

            Emelin just signed – his next deal is not going through the roof, it will be a “bridge” type of deal – 1 million raise for example

            Ak46 – laughable – 3.2 is more than enough – i don’t see him going any higher – maybe marginally so, but nothing significant

            Eller – next deal is a bridge deal like Emelin – hes very young

            Gill , Gorges and Weber, insignificant money

            I just don’t see a problem here.

            There are so many changes from year to year.

            The only SIGNIFICANT players that will be addressed quickly are the two future hall of famers.

            Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

          • TomNickle says:

            If Eller gets into a top six role due to demotion or injury and puts up 60 points he’ll get a big raise.

            If Yemelin has to step in for Markov and plays big minutes, ditto.

            Weber could easily have a career year with the right opportunity.

    • TomNickle says:

      If they’re giving $7 million annually to Bryzgalov, they have to clear out the same amount of money.

    • mrhabby says:

      all 29 other teams are just flogging holmgren right now…craziness.

  8. habstrinifan says:

    Hammrlik to get contract offer: report/NHK Awards a Hab-less affair.

    Two headlines which have a certain synchronicity and represent our symmetry of incompetence.

    So tell me again! You come into a situation where you were up against the CAP. And then you get some relief because you can get rid of some huge UFA contracts and surround your talented and youthful corps of d-men with some big aggressive and tough cohorts… and what do you do.

    You look around the freakin NHL. And then you ask JM. And he says “well I like veterans who dont create any problems. I like them so much that I for many weeks took away P.K (that rookie hothead who has to learn to be a professional) … for many weeks I took away his power play time and gave it to Hammrlik”.

    So what the f’ing do you do. Well you go out and offer freakin Hammrlik a f’ing contract.. instead of getting up off your arse and looking at the market fo what your team really needs.

    F’ing hilarious.!

    Oh Yeah.. get ready all you apologists and rose-coloured reality-challenged myopics… get ready to cite some conspiracy against your team when the Bruins lambast our players, or the Leafs, and Hammrlik turns around and just tugs at their jerseys.

    Freakin amazing!

    I gotta go for a bleedy walk.

    • Viruk42 says:

      Subban’s ice time: 16:38 es, 2:32 sh, 3:04 pp; 22:16 tot
      Hamrlik’s ice time: 17:46 es, 1:56 sh, 2:33 pp; 22:16 tot

      Subban’s PP time: 4th on team, behind Wisniewski, Markov, and 2 seconds back of Cammalleri. Hamrlik was the next highest Dman, but let’s remember that this team still had the 7th best PP, the 8th most PPG (16th most PP opportunities)

      Subban’s PP stats: 9 goals, 9 assists. 237.25min on PP/18pts = 1 point every 13.2minutes, or 1 point every 6.6 powerplays. This is also 0.152pts per PP.
      Hamrlik’s PP stats: 2 goals, 13 assists. 202.47min on PP/15pts = 1 point every 13.5minutes, or 1 point every 6.75powerplays. This is 0.148pts per PP.

      So Subban, who I think is f***ing awesome, gets a whole extra 0.004 pts per PP. This means Subban, this past season, was 0.4% more likely to record a point than Hamrlik on the Powerplay.

      Another stat: 25 vs 29. Hamrlik was on the ice for 25 PP goals, Subban for 29. That means when Hamrlik was out there, the team had a 12.3% PP, while with Subban they had 12.2%. So who would you rather have? Well, obviously Subban…but is it obvious? Subban is the better player on the PK, that’s guaranteed. But if he’s on the PK, playing big minutes even strength, you can’t send him out for the PP as well, he’ll get worn out. PP can be a chance for him to rest a bit, while others, like Wiz, Weber and Hamrlik, run things.

      Finally, let’s look at the playoffs. PP time per game: Subban 4:02, Wisniewski 3:28, Hamrlik 1:38.
      So when push comes to shove, JM knows that he needs to have Subban and Wiz (or Markov this coming year) on the PP. But Hamrlik is a good option for the 2nd unit, as is Weber (who played slightly more on the PP than Hamrlik in the playoffs).

  9. wall2bay says:

    This is where the “Hometown Discount” comes into full effect!!!

    “I kind of feel sorry for players who never got a chance to be a Montreal Canadien” – Cammalleri

  10. Mattyleg says:

    So here’s one for people who think that winning Stanley Cups is the only criteria to being a good coach:

    There are currently SEVEN coaches in the NHL that have won cups. That means there are 23 TERRIBLE coaches out there.
    No, wait… there are 3 who have been fired for not being good enough.
    Ken Hitchcock’s free! Let’s get him! Instant Stanley Cup!! Along with Brian Burke!! Yay!!

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      So here’s another one for people who think that winning Stanley Cups is the only criterion to being a good coach:

      Jean Perron.

      And another one for people who think that winning Stanley Cups is the only criterion to being a good coach:

      Claude Julien.

  11. 24 Cups says:

    Elliotte Friedman’s latest 30 thoughts.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/blogs/elliottefriedman/2011/06/agency-wars-creating-buzz-ahead-of-july-1.html

    “In the new CBA, owners will go after a less onerous buyout. If they get it, some of the long-term deals will be jeopardized.” Bye-bye Scotty, Scotty good-bye!

  12. JIMVINNY says:

    Well, I guess the Wiz ain’t comin’ back. but I can see value in signing Hamrlik. For whatever reason, our D-men have trouble staying healthy. I can see him and Spacek sharing the 6/7 role, so neither of them will need to play a huge role. And if Emelin can handle second pairing duties with Markov, Gorges and those two will make a very reliable third pairing.

  13. 24 Cups says:

    MCammalleri13 Michael Cammalleri
    by TSNBobMcKenzie
    For all those asking…. Im still looking http://t.co/WvGoasF #Cammyneedsacaddy @BioSteelSports

  14. 24 Cups says:

    Stamkos close to a new deal with Tampa.

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=369660

  15. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Montréal signs Hamrlik – Montréal loses the cup (even though that should provide enough money to sign a top 6 forward and then some)
    Montréal signs The Wiz – Montréal wins the cup (with no money for a top 6 forward, because we WILL have Weber who can play as a forward)

    Does that sum it up?

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      I’m sure we can all agree that Wiz brings alot more to the table to Hamrlik…

      but saying that the Habs will definitely win the cup if they sign the Wiz and have Weber play forward is comical.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        I thought it was funny. So the way people are talking about The Wiz and all the other options we have…I wanted to make some others laugh as well

        I have full faith in the management and the team.

        Whatever they do, I know it is for the betterment of the team.

        • HalifaxHabs says:

          ah sorry Riverview, I failed to detect your sarcasm, and then pointed out the obvious, lol!!!

          • RiverviewCanadien says:

            No problem…sometimes it is hard to gauge what people mean just through reading words…

            Would I like the Wiz, sure, but I think Markov is better, and signing the Wiz will cost money, and I really appreciate and think Hamrlik could be a valuable player (playing the right minutes). We all know as fans that the team needs help up front.

            Just my 2 cents though.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        I forgot to add that, I agree The Wiz is good, but he will cost much more than the Hammer!

  16. Rudy says:

    I have a question about the CBA. Aren’t salaries just a high now as they were before the lock out, and now teams have to spend to the cap floor, which they didn’t pre lockout?

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You’re right Rudy, and therein lie the seeds of Gary’s Next Great Short Fat Geek Lockout.

      The cap was ostensibly to ensure that rich teams like the Rangers didn’t just strip the best players off the poor teams’ rosters. This would ensure competitive balance in the league, by allowing a ‘level playing field’. It has done that to a degree.

      One consequence which was probably not unintended was that rich teams like the Leafs and Canadiens could limit how much they spent on player salaries, regardless of how much money we fans shoveled at them. So again, rich teams got richer.

      What has happened though is that small-market teams are still not happy. The NHL Players’ Association, even though they caved in, and were supposed to have been soundly beaten, managed to get a few concessions from management that loom large now. They ensured that not only would there be a salary cap, but also a salary floor.

      Both the cap and the floor are determined as a percentage of league revenues. Since the deal was signed, revenues have grown every year, partly due to the rising Canadian dollar which has inflated all the Canadian teams’ bottom line, and therefore the League’s. This has increased the salary cap and salary floor every season.

      So now small-market franchises like Nashville and Columbus, which used to complain that their best players were stolen by rich teams because they couldn’t afford a large payroll, are now complaining that they have to have a large payroll which is not reflective of their ticket sales.

      Unlike the NFL, which gets most of its revenue from its national TV contracts, proceeds of which are shared equally throughout the league, the NHL is dependent on its gate revenues. Each franchise does well if it can sell its own tickets and luxury boxes, preferably at a premium price. Canadian teams are doing fine, since they’re selling out and have a salary cap to enforce some discipline. Small American teams are crying the blues, and we’ll have another kick at the Collective Bargaining Agreement soon.

      ———————————
      “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • GrimJim says:

      Yes but league revenues pre-lockout were approximately $2.16 billion. Now revenues are about $3.2 billion (my estimate). And pre-lockout the range was $76mil to $22mil.

  17. shiram says:

    Rumours saying Bryz for 7 years at 50 millions for the Flyers.
    Just ouch.
    http://twitter.com/#!/FriedgeHNIC/status/83518904076472320

    • JD_ says:

      Wow.

      If accurate, Bobby Clobber’s world is comin’ crashin’ down all around him, baby!

      He’s really gonna have to roll up the sleeves if he’s eventually gonna run Bryzzy out of town. Big, big challenge. Will probably take away from his cat-skinnin’ time but, hey, work is work.

    • Rudy says:

      So I guess they don’t think “Bob” is so good anymore

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      that is focking ridiculous… and I love hearing that the Flyers are going to screw themselves for years, out of desperation for a goalie

      but it makes me shudder at what it will cost to retain Carey’s services next year with any term.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Watch Boucher beat him out of a starting position in the playoffs.

    • G-Man says:

      Even the Flyers aren’t that stupid, but we can always hope…

  18. lukas-joshua says:

    I love playing gm so this is what I would do.

    Cammalleri (6)/ Plecks ( 5 ) / Gagne (3) = 14
    Max Pac (1.6) / Gomer (7.4)/Gionta ( 5) = 14
    Ak ( 3.25) / Eller ( 1.3) / Hartnell ( 4.2) = 8.75
    White ( 850)/ DD ( 850 )/ Moen (1.5) = 1.72
    Darche ( .7)

    Markov ( 4.8 ) Gorges ( 2.5)=7.3
    Wiz (4.8) Subban ( .875)= 5.7
    Gill ( 2.25) Yemelin (.985)3.24
    Weber ( .985 )

    Price ( 2.75 )
    Hedberg ( 1.5)

    That still gives us cap room, and I think someone will take spaceman for one year.

  19. Stuck_in_To. says:

    Well, he does not have an offer yet and he may very well not accept it. For all anyone knows, it’s a respect for past services offer.

    But I’ll say it again, stock piling assets is not stupid. No one has seen Yemelin or his evil twin Emelin play in the NHL. What if he craps his Russian hockey pants?

    And is any one reporting that the Wiz even wants to play here? Especially, if Markov is signed?

  20. kempie says:

    So, I had this dream. It went like this:
    Markov – Wiz
    Gorges – Subban
    Emelin – Spacek
    Weber on the 4th

    Maybe it would mean no help for the forwards and maybe it would make things tight next year. But tell me that wouldn’t be the scariest backend in hockey. It could anchor 2 pp units that would discourage a lot of teams from taking penalties against them. I guess that dream is dead. Now, my nightmare is:

    Gill – Subban
    Hamr – Spacek
    Emelin – Weber

    Ay ay ay, this better be leading somewhere.

  21. marshx says:

    I liked hammer, but I believe his time on this team is done. Bring back the wiz!

  22. jimmy shaker says:

    Using the extra cap money and the money that was finally freed up from hammer’s contract to make a big push for the wiz, but yet we read here, hammer in contract talks. Hey PG we already have an old basically all around useless D man in spacek, why bring back another D-man that has no real value to this team. He doesn’t really excell in any particular aspect of the game. Wiz or hammer…….seems an easy pick for me. Looks like the wiz will be off to detroit for sure now, if PG doesn’t wake up!

    Shaker

  23. PrimeTime says:

    I love this site for news but the comments and opinions are what really make this site truly entertaining. I’ll add a little fuel to the fire…if PG can sign Hammer for 1 year (it won’t be any longer) at $2M then he becomes a veteran asset to the organization. Still useful as a player and at an affordable price and a tradeable commodity if need be. What do you get in return for a needed vet player??? A 2nd round draft pick. If Hammer remains useful as a Hab but in a decreased ice time role he helps develop our younger D. Either way he becomes a useful asset at an affordable price.

    Freakin short sighted fans are people who spend waaay too much time on blogs, complaining about sh*t out of their control. If you have “passion” put it to better use. ie get a job, get training, volunteer, help others, build a productive identity. Then again, I would lose this form of entertainment…hmmm!?! Do you think you “real fans” could do both??

    • jimmy shaker says:

      We already have that veteran asset in Gill and Spacek. The time to get younger and better is now. Why waste money and time on Hammer, when Weber can step in and play, and better yet, the Wiz, who at his age and skill set is a perfect compliment for an aging/fragile markov. If he walks now, he’ll never be back……Detroit is poised in signing this guy with rafalski’s money just waiting to be eaten up. Waste of time and energy for PG to even look at this guy coming back!

      Shaker

    • HardHabits says:

      Your posts are neither entertaining nor informative yet you still waste your time pontificating to us “false fans”. Anybody who thinks Hamrlik is worth a 2nd round pick hasn’t got a friggin’ clue. That would be you PT. Clueless. I cam going to call you CluelessTime from here on in.

    • mrhabby says:

      a 2nd round pick for an willy veteran with lots of miles..don’t think so.

  24. SmartDog says:

    PG GIVE YOUR HEAD A FREAKIN’ SHAKE!!!!!

    I’ve read all the comments below and I agree with those that say re-signing Hamr is just a BAD (almost strange) decision. We have more D options than we know what to do with. Hamr shouldn’t even be on the radar. He’s slowed down a lot and is far too often found standing next to the guy that just potted a goal. Pick up Sopel or Mara even before Hamr. These guys are about as affective, cheaper, tougher, and younger. Sopel’s a proven play-off performer, Mara is a mean SOB.

    You were a great player Hamr. But your time in the NHL is done. Just retire old man.

  25. HardHabits says:

    krob makes me laugh… an elite 3rd pairing D… what’s that like an elite 4th liner? An elite AHLer? An elite bench warmer?

    • SmartDog says:

      Scott Gomez is an elite non-scoring passer. Kind of like a flightless bird.

    • krob1000 says:

      lol…only diff is that a fourth liner plays 5 minutes a night…a third pairing d will still log 15 minutes since there are only 3 pairs. Add in the fact that if someone goes down he probably climbs into the top four and it is an important role….more important IMO than a 4th liner. More like having a great third line player or depth like the Flyers and Bruins both had this year up frotn. I think the deepest team on D this year may have been the Canucks. Hammer would be a great 3rd pairing D or sub IMO….

  26. Un Canadien errant says:

    Nothing against Hammer, it’s just that with him on the roster, we’re not improving, just treading water.

    The Canadiens aren’t going to win the Cup this year with the roster we have. It’s not like Hamrlik is the last piece of the puzzle. What he is is a body plugging up the roster, taking away valuable minutes from the youngsters.

    We don’t need insurance against anything. What we need is to groom our young players. With Markov, Gill, Gorges and even PK now, we have enough talent and experience to support our young defencemen. Spacek will be here also, he can chip in too. Hamrlik is not needed.

    Yemelin is 25 years old, he is a grown man who has played at the highest level short of the NHL. Let’s see what he’s made of. Let’s give him the opportunity and the ice time, not Hamrlik.

    Same goes for Weber has been kicking around for three seasons now, between Hamilton and Montreal, he’s 23. This is the year to see what he’s made of.

    If injuries hit, which they will, instead of increasing minutes to Hamrlik, we should increase the role of our young defencemen.

    ———————————
    “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  27. Malreg says:

    I’m ok with Hamrlik coming back, as long as it is only 1 year and for $2.5 million or less.

    Hamrlik as a #6 defenseman is fine by me. As long as he doesn’t have to play over 20 minutes a game, he gets the job done. He provides depth, and is better than Spacek. How many defenseman did we use last year, 10? You need more then just a top 6 to survive the year, and I rather have Markov-PK-Gorges-Gill-Hamrlik-Emelin-Weber-Spacek as opposed to Markov-PK-Gorges-Gill-Emelin-Spacek-Diaz.

    What if Markov gets injured again? And maybe PK? Would you really want to play with Gorges-Gill, Weber-Spacek, Emelin-Diaz?

    He loves Montreal, he’s a well-liked veteran, so if you can get him at the right price then fine.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Exactly, thank you.

      It’s tiring listening to these Playstation GMs bitching and complaining.

      I like optimism. So much more challenging than pessimism (or as sad-sacks call it: “realism”). AND more fun.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • habsfan0 says:

        Captain E.J. Smith was an optomist as well. Right after the Titanic hit the iceberg he was heard saying: “There’s no way this ship can sink!”

  28. habsfan0 says:

    Not surprised that multiple Cup winner Pierre Gauthier would attempt this.

    Habs’ criteria for hiring management (GM,coach): Speak French. EVERYTHING else is secondary.

    Interesting.

    It’s as if Vince Lombardi’s favourite saying was: “Winning isn’t everything. Speaking Italian is!”

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      If OTT had given Martin a goalie with talent in the first half of the 2000s he could very well have a Cup, but they didn’t.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • habsfan0 says:

        ..and if my grandmother had wheels…she’d be a truck.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          Find me a coach who could win the SC with Patrick Lalime as his starter, I’ll wait.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • habsfan0 says:

            Wasn’t Gauthier a GM in Ottawa too?

          • HardHabits says:

            BS. The Wings and Hawks won Cups with shoddy goal-tending.

            Martin had Halak and lost another ECF. He’s got Price and hasn’t done anything with him either.

            Apart form a Jack Adams Award, Martin hasn’t won anything significant at any level.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            Niemi isn’t that great, but he’s still a serious step above Lalime and CHI had the absolutely best D in the NHL in 2010 and they were up against a team with a Lalime-class goaltender. You want to look up the SC winning goaltenders in the last 20 years go ahead, see which type is far more heavily favoured. If people can argue Red Wings are an aberation for their success with a European core, you can also say their route to winning Cups with weaker goaltending is as well given the evidence.

            The Red Wings were about the best team of the last 15 years as well and when you have Fedorov/Yzerman as your Top 2 Cs AND the best defencemen in the world in Lidstrom it compensates for a few things.

            I thought the Habs were too small and soft to win the Cup and that’s why they lost to Philly and then Boston, now it’s JM’s fault? Interesting.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

    • habsfan0 says:

      Actually, I believe Jacques Martin was awarded a gold star in kindergarten.

      • G-Man says:

        Where, it seems, you spend your days. However, for a five-year-old, you get your point that you don’t like habs management or the team across quite well. Suggest you follow champs only, neglecting all else.

  29. twilighthours says:

    If Spacek is being moved, this makes me very happy. If not, then this makes me very sad.

    Hamr can still play, and is an ideal bottom-pair guy. We don’t need and can’t afford to play both Spacek and Hamr.

    As for Wiz, yeah I’d like him too but HardHabits sometimes I wonder what game you are watching – the guy is a nightmare in his own end. Wiz brings the big shot, the great breakout pass, and some heart and testes to the back end. He also brings running around, coughing the puck up, and getting beat. In my opinion, Weber brings nearly the same skill set (less the genitalia) at less cost and less risk. In the longer term, Weber might be as good as Wiz.

    In short, I’d like to keep Wiz, but if it’s a numbers game then let him walk.

    • adamkennelly says:

      completely agree…Hammer at $2.5 or less over Spacek works for me…both of them and its going to be a long year again. Regardless – no way Wiz is coming back – he can make way too much money on the open market and end up playing in a much tax friendlier city…Wiz is gone 100%

    • Bugs says:

      Just to get this straight: the game YOU’RE watching (and accusing Double-H of not) is showing you Jimmy being a “nightmare in his own end”?
      That’s what YOU saw, yes?
      And by extension (we must conclude), PG replacing MARKOV with this “nightmare in his own end” was an underachieving gaffe of colossal proportions, yes?

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • twilighthours says:

        Bugs, what up? You’re normally so smart. Your logical extension is silly – especially when you actually read my comments.

        Wiz is not at all good in his own end – maybe due to his ability, maybe due to the people he was playing against. But (as I wrote) I’d love to have him back (on a 3rd pairing).

        Hope we’re still good, you and me.

        • Bugs says:

          Sure it does. It certifies that PG acquired this guy who’s “not at all good in his own end” to replace Markov.
          Since everyone is in agreement that Jimmy did an exemplary job this season in replacing Markov, it stands to reason that MARKOV himself was “not at all good in his own end” either.
          Which is totally ridiculous.
          Just because Jimmy is a pt-producing phenom on offence doesn’t make him “not at all good in his own end” on defence.
          I don’t remember him being taken out of his shoes on a deke or blown by on an outside rush this year…certainly not like Hamr, Spaceman and Gill have on occasion.
          So. If JIMMY is “not at all good in his own end”, it ALSO stands to reason that “Hamr, Spaceman and Gill” are TOTALLY INCOMPETENT “in their own end” and ABSOLUTELY detrimental to the potential successes of this club.
          Yes?
          According to your (ahem) analysis, I mean.
          But yes, we’re good, you’n'me. We’re always good.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  30. Sharks9 says:

    This makes no sense, I’ll lose all faith in PG if this happens.

    25 before 14

    • habsfan0 says:

      You mean you had faith in PG before?? Must be all those Stanley Cups he’s won.

      • Sharks9 says:

        It’s tough to win a cup, it doesn’t make him a horrible GM just because he hasn’t won one yet.

        25 before 14

        • habsfan0 says:

          Pierre Gauthier, Jacques Martin, and myself have each won the exact same number of Stanley Cups.

          • Mattyleg says:

            So has Lindy Ruff, Guy Bouchard, Alain Vignault, etc etc.

            Bad coaches, eh?

            Please, get some perspective.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • habsfan0 says:

            Think those guys will get into the Hall of Fame? I doubt it.

          • habsfan0 says:

            and by the way,it’s unfair to lump Boucher into the same group as Ruff and Vigneault as he’s only coached in the NHL for 1 year.

            It’s Guy Boucher, not Bouchard..or are you referring to someone else?

  31. scrowe21 says:

    I like Hammer. I hope he comes back for cheap..now they really NEED to dump Spacek. Call every team in the league and offer Spacek for a 7th round pick in 2050.

  32. Bugs says:

    Safe to say the Jimmy dream is over then?

    Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

  33. JD_ says:

    Tell me it’s a lowball offer that Hamr’s prepared to accept and that Spacecake is bein’ moved; i.e., effectively replacin’ Spacer with Hamr at a meaningfully lower price than $3.8M.

    That I can live with. Not much more.

    PG already knows what Hamr and Svoboda are lookin’ for. If it wasn’t bargain basement, I wouldn’t expect Svoby to be makin’ public proclamations that would result in nothin’ but embarrassment for all sides, particularly Roman.

    Gorges reminds me a lot of Svoby. Not particularly big guys at 6’1″ and 190lbs, very similar slopin’ builds, and both, despite gettin’ tossed around on a nightly basis, always bouncin’ back like Gumby dolls. The image of Petr Svboda gettin’ launched into the glass while retrievin’ the puck is indelibly burned into my Habs memories.

    Svoboda was, however, a faster skater and superior playmaker than Josh. Morever, durin’ his eight or so years with the Habs, he never had a minus season, goin’ a cumulative +162, and comin’ within a hair of a 2nd Stanley Cup ring with the org.

    One of the most epic – not glorious, just epic – moments of his time with the Habs was in a game against the Nordiques. That effin’ effer Dale Hunter had lined up Svoby in the corner and went in for the kill. On impact, Hunter’s ankle went full Theismann – fairly certain that was the picture in the next day’s Gazette sports section – and, if memory serves, we never saw much, if any, of him again in a ‘Diques uni. By September 1987, he was a Capital, where six years later he would famously decapitate then Islander Pierre Turgeon.

    Tough-as-nails bastard, he was.

  34. PeterD says:

    As concerned as I was about the aging Defense last season, I am OKAY with re-signing Hammr for significantly less than he earned last season…let’s say in the $2.0 M range for one year.

    We will need some experienced NHL D-men signed for this season in case Markov is asking for ridiculous numbers or he really wants to test Free agency. Same for Wiski…if we are not able to land these two or at least one of them then signing Hammr makes sense.

    I think coming into the summer months, the draft and Free agency it makes sense to load up on experienced known products as trade bait and insurance that some of the new kids don’t pan out.

    Consider if we let Hammr go and get nothing for him in UFA and then Yemelin doesn’t make the team in Oct….or Markov and Wiski walk away as UFA’s on July 1…the thing is until a player is signed and in the bag he is not a lock to be on the team next season.

    Pierre may also be looking to build up a bit of a stable for a potential move up the draft table on Friday…it really would be good to pick a top forward with size and scoring in the top 10 this year.

  35. Why? For God sake’s why?
    We already have enough burden in Spacek, why Hamrlik???
    Subban, Yemelin, Gill, Markov, Weber, Gorges, Spacek is just fine.

    That’s 7 dmen right there. If you really want a dman, sign a younger UFA, why Hamrlik?? No offence, he played well beyond what was expected of him, but unless he’s signing for 1-2 M per year, this is an utterly useless signing.

    Give Weber a shot over veteran dmen for god sake. These players are all out of gas by March, how does one expect to go deep into the playoffs with them?

    • Bugs says:

      A “burden”???
      The Hamr’s services are certainly not a burden; one of few signings that actually live up all across the board.
      Proud and honored to have him in the fold again if he re-signs.

      Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

      • SeriousFan09 says:

        And if the NHL schedule is shortened to 60 games a year I’d be fine with him being back as well. The guy gets worn out earlier each year, time for some younger men to play back there.

        - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
        SF09 on Twitter

        • Bugs says:

          Gets worn out how?
          Byyyy…saving our BACON year after year when Marky goes down?
          Is it at all POSSIBLE that if Marky goes full season, the Hamr WON’T be “worn out”?
          Just spit-ballin here…

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            And if Markov goes down, I’d rather MTL have someone who can either take the minutes on the whole year via a UFA or at least get a chance to develop by playing the minutes like Yemelin or Weber, Hamrlik is only going to decline at this point in his career I’m sorry to say.

            I’m just not crazy about Hamrlik sticking around knowing that if he does have to step into a Top-4 role, he doesn’t work well with Subban as we saw last season and he’s not likely going to be able to keep up for the whole year. Rather a younger player get the chance and get the chance to develop and improve.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

  36. habsfan0 says:

    Game 5…double overtime..Hamrlik’s back turned on Nathan Horton who easily deposits game winning goal beyond Price…Game 7..3rd period..Hamrlik lies on the ice after allegedly being speared by a Boston player (no penalty called however) and is completely out of position as Bruins score go ahead goal.

    ….and the mediocrity continues..

    “What’s past is prologue” William Shakespeare

    Pierre Gauthier…30 years NHL experience…0 Stanley Cups
    Jacques Martin…30 years NHL experience…0 Stanley Cups

  37. fofe84 says:

    I think Hamrlik is a great player in the regular season, but what I don’t like about him is that he always seems to step his game down in the playoffs. Oh, and he’s older than dirt.

  38. mike3131 says:

    Wow! As much as I can let myself rant over PG and JM (@Timo lol), I’m always optimistic and try to look at the bright side of things. But this would ruin my optimism for as long as PG and JM are in charge. Resigning Hamrlik would prove that PG just doesn’t care or doesn’t know what it takes to build a winner. Nothing against Hamrlik, but c’mon! We already have Spacek! I strongly believe we have the opportunity this off-season to add the missing pieces in order to contend and let go of what we do not need. But with the Desharnais signing and a potential Hamrlik signing, PG looks like he is going in the polar opposite direction of what I had hoped. Watch us resign Pyatt and Pouliot next… AHH!
    Hope this is just a rumor. It better be.

    ♪ And we’re livin’ here in Allentown… ♪

  39. HardHabits says:

    Gorges is an RFA. Either he gets signed or the Habs get something back for him if he goes elsewhere. It’s that simple.

    I like Gorges but he is very replaceable. Could care less whether he signs or gets traded.

    I don’t care much for Markov being signed either because he’s the last player from the Andre Savard era that is still on the team. Let’s close the book on that era for good. The Habs did well enough without him and IMO don’t need him.

    Signing Hammer would be retarded.

    Not signing Wisnieswki would be another wasted 2nd pick and that pick is much more valuable than 3 home play-off games.

    So. Wisnieski should be the priority. Gorges is an RFA. He’s already owned. Markov. Take your over priced wonky knee to the highest bidder. Hamrlik. 1 million. 1 year. Or else nice knowing you.

    • shiram says:

      What about Alex Picard?
      No one ever talks about him.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        is gone. you could tell that by how much he played last year

      • HardHabits says:

        I’d rather Picard than Hamrlik. But JM likes his seasoned veterans.

        The only reason PK got all the ice time he got was because JM’s hand was forced. 2 more years of this crap.

        I am beginning to agree with Tony. I’ll wait until the summer’s deals are concluded and the draft is over but I am getting the feeling that I am going to hop aboard the Gainey, Gauthier and Martin have to go band-wagon.

        • Bugs says:

          Picard over Hamr???
          Ridiculous.
          I understand that you’re trying to make some points, Double-H, and I respect that, but don’t delude yourself over the quality of these players to get there, please.

          Gone figuratively fishin filibusts L. B. Potter, esq.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Gorges can take 20+ minutes a night and play against top opposition and can be doing so for the next 5-10 years, that’s somebody I’d like to keep. No one in the UFA pool who can do that really (for the same # of years) plus he’d easily take a hometown discount I imagine.

      You’re really into ‘closing the book’ on every era you don’t like aren’t you? A few days ago it was ‘close the book’ on Saku Koivu. Come on HH, it’s important to keep that time in perspective to recognize we are in fact not operating in the dark ages and the team is miles ahead of where it used to be and going in the right direction as opposed to then.

      Markov is on board so MTL can ease Yemelin’s transition to NA (important, we haven’t always handled bringing over european players well) and he’s still a high-end talent. Factor in what he can teach to Subban about offensive decision-making and balancing offence-defence and he’s a great resource for two developing players MTL needs very much.

      If we want Wiz, I say send Spacek to FLA so they can meet the cap floor.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • lukas-joshua says:

      I like your thinking.

      but please say no 2 the Hammer.

  40. J_P says:

    Why? why? Why?

    Doesnt even make sense to offer hamr a contract.

    Markov, Gorges, Gill, Subban, Spacek, Yemelin, Weber.

    That’s 7 defensemen, how is Weber the odd man out again?If Hamr is re-signed for $2 million as a depth move it’s one thing, but you know if the habs re-sign Hamr he’s going to be in the line-up every single night at the expense of one of our young defensemen who deserve playing time. I don’t understand the habs with this guy.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      The only explanation is that there is a trade in the works. This would make our defense older with Spacek, gill and Hammer which doesn’t make any sense or fit with the gameplan to get younger and faster. I would rather have hammer than spacek anyday but at his age should only be used as a 6 or 7th dman. There is a trade coming for sure. Webber is most likely going to get traded

  41. JoeC says:

    Wow just wow, bring on the snail old men defence we have, oh and top of it, Hammer will be a 35+ contract so we get to complain about him the duration of the contract like we do Spack, and even better, we probally will overpay for him too. Good job PG i love having so many old slow defence *puke*

  42. Mattyleg says:

    I’m not unhappy about the prospect of signing Hammer for a one-year deal.
    He was our most consistent and hard-working d-man last season, and he was being asked to play far more minutes than he should have because of the injuries to other players.

    He never took a game off, and as for injuries: 81, 75, 79 games played in the last 3 seasons.

    I think that having one vet per pairing is a great idea.

    And as for mediocrity, the only thing mediocre is some of the comments on here.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  43. Doesn’t Yemelin have a clause that lets him go back to the KHL before he goes to the Hammer? If we sign all these guys someones gonna have to ride the buses and if its Yemelin he’s gone…just sayin’

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  44. cheezboie says:

    I like Hammer as a reliable Vet D but we already have Spacek, Gill & probably Gorges/Markov. The reason I don’t like this is I’d like to see room for Weber, Yemelin, Diaz, & Nash to grow. If you can’t sign Markov -> ?Wiz If you can’t sign Gorges (unlikely) -> ?Hammer.

    My armchair GM 11/12 Habs –
    rough salary guess-timates in brackets = cap hit of 56.044 mill
    leaving 7.206 million for in season adjustments (cap ceiling rumored to be 64 million)

    Camm 6 – Pleks 5 – AK46 (off-wing) 3.25
    MaxPac 1.625 – Gomez 7.357/ Desharnais 0.850 – Gio 5
    Darche 0.7 – Eller 1.27 – Trotter (0.750)
    Moen 1.5 – Engqvist 0.900 – White (0.9)/Weber (righty) (1) (and on PP a la Streit)
    Pyatt (0.6)

    First call up – Palushaj

    Markov (lefty) (5) – Gorges (lefty) (3)
    Gill (lefty) 2.25 – Subban (righty) 0.875
    Yemelin (lefty) 0.984 – Weber (righty) (1)/Spacek (lefty) 3.833
    Spacek (lefty) 3.833 – Diaz (righty) 0.9

    first call up – Nash (lefty)

    Price 2.75
    Auld (1)

    -0.5 Laraque buyout
    (would be better if could move Gomez and/or Spacek)

    http://habsloyalist.blogspot.com/2011/02/gomez-effect.html

    http://www.habseyesontheprize.com/2010/11/24/1833979/disecting-the-gomez-connundrum#storyjump

    Gomez for captain of the Hamilton Bulldogs?

    • mrhabby says:

      still lacks some nastiness as far as me concerned.

    • habsno1 says:

      It’s interesting that people are commenting on this signing as if it has already happened. Every move PG has made has been quiet, no stories floating first. He does everything under the radar. I think we should wait until his next move. All the talking heads are just that, talkers. When he makes his move, we will be the last to know. What I like this year is with the cap going up, teams should be able to move contracts that they couldn’t before. There are alot of teams who are way under the cap and will have to spend. I know everyone wants Gomez gone, but the odds are they keep him this year and see if he will show up. I don’t think they move him, but like I said, we will be the last to know. Keep believing fans!

    • marcandredespatie says:

      Not Much for an armchair GM…how can you forget to include Gionta in your line-up….You’re Fired!!!

      Atta boy P.K.! Way to stay in their faces!!!

  45. lukas-joshua says:

    This had to be a joke

  46. Holy Moly, that better not be friggen’ wiz’s money!!

    “When I was a baby I wish my first word had been “QUOTE”, then right before I die I could say “UNQUOTE” – Stephen Wright

  47. SmartDog says:

    I don’t get all this crapping on Spacek. They guy led the team in +/- last year. This doesn’t mean he’s great but it does suggest he’s not terrible.
    Spacek makes mistakes but he somehow has the talent to get himself out of sh$t when it happens. Hamr on the other hand seems to be the posterboy for standing next to a goal scorer with a stunned look on his face. It happens too often. Unless he’s getting under 2 million to play limited minutes on a 3rd pairing, this is a mistake.

    • cboden says:

      I like Spacek, he’s a good defensive defenceman. He played great in our ECF run. However, at 4M and 38yrs old I’d much rather have that allocated to the 25 year old Wiz.

      • HardHabits says:

        Spacek is softer than butter that’s been left out on the counter for a full summer’s day.

      • SmartDog says:

        I 100% agree that he’ll be over-paid this year and we’d be much better off having the cap room. But I don’t get the hate. I mean, Gomez was -15 (to Spacek’s +9) so hello?!! And to sign Hamrlik (who I used to love) when we don’t NEED to is much worse than to not trade Spacek (though if Spacek was being traded I could see taking in the Hamr for 2mill or less because 15 minutes a game either of these guys is pretty good).

  48. mrhabby says:

    maybe marky or gorges does not sign with habs leaving PG having to sign hammer.

    • thorandresson says:

      Don’t know about that, during the regular season PG gave every indication that he would sign Gorges. He recognizes his intangibles, in particular his leadership.

  49. HalifaxHabs says:

    This makes me wonder if PG has found a suitor for Spacek and is working on something… but that could just be wishful thinking.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      If he finds a dance partner for Spacek, he is immediately in the running for GM of the year. That is a contract which I didn’t think was tradeable until the trade deadline.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Sometimes it’s hard for fans like us to get a good read on certain players, from watching on television. But with Spacek there is no chance for making a bad read on him.

      He is DONE. Out of gas, no legs, no muscle and he can’t skate into a corner and get a puck of his end. He is worse than awful.

      I could never imagine another team taking him???

      There’s no way that Gauthier/Martin could allow Gill/Spacek/Hamrlik in the lineup at the same time, is there?

      Spacek is a great guy off the ice but he is completely done on the ice.

    • thorandresson says:

      hey, someone just mentioned how Florida would be way below the cap minimum if they resigned everyone from last year (36 million) so there’s a nice suitor. Let him go to america’s graveyard…

    • savethepuck says:

      I was thinking he has a deal in the works too.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  50. Favorite Son says:

    So then Yemelin will go back to Russia then…If Hamr is signed and I’m assuming Markov and Gorges will get done for sure, then we have this:

    Markov Gorges
    Gill Subban
    Hamr Spacek

    What about Weber? Diaz?

    • savethepuck says:

      I don’t think Diaz was signed to immediately jump to the big club. He was a depth signing with potential.

      “That beautiful bastard scored semi-conscious.” On the Rocket’s Game 7 game winning goal against the Bruin’s April, 1952

  51. mrhabby says:

    wiz likely gone and may not have even been in the picture. hammer gives some insurance. defense still up in air.

  52. HardHabits says:

    If the Habs sign Hamrlik and not Wisniewsi it is a clear indication that the Habs haven’t got a clue about building a winner. It will also be a clear admission that the Habs have no intention of winning the Cup next season, or ever for that matter.

    Sure. Let’s go with a 37 year old who can’t even play 12 minutes a game versus a 27 year old who was the 5th highest scoring defenseman in the league and put up the 3rd most points per game on the team.

    The criterion to be a Hab appears to be:

    1) old
    2) short
    3) soft

    If you have any one of those traits sign them up. If all three more the better.

    Bonus points if you can’t score any goals.

    The Habs are becoming the definition of mediocrity in the NHL. Luckily we had Serge Savard and the Roy pick otherwise this team would be a worse joke than the Maple Leafs.

    • mrhabby says:

      maybe just maybe ..wiz wants to go some where else.

    • V says:

      With respect, can’t agree the Habs are soft.

      They don’t fight much, they don’t tend to use the cheap after the whistle stuff… they bend but they don’t break. I think the team has proven to be very tough and resilient.

      • Neutral says:

        You must have forgotton the one boston game where they got beaten like school kids. HardHabits is right on he may have forgotten one thing. they have to be 185-190 lbs

    • HalifaxHabs says:

      or maybe it’s just a clear indication that Hammer can be had for 1 yr deal for 2 or 3 million, and Wiznewski wants 5 years at 5 mil/season.

      • HardHabits says:

        I’d rather Wiz at 5 million for 5 years than Hamrlik for even 1 million.

        Who know’s what the Habs brain trust is conniving but from here it looks like they believe a team can win with the smallest and softest line-up sprinkled with a few useless veterans to show the kids the ropes.

        It’s not the taxes. It’s not the fans. Players don’t want to come to the Habs because they have no chance what-so-ever of being a championship team.

        It’ll be another 20 years of 10th to 20th plcae finishes. A few play-off rounds will be won along the way. Maybe a Cup appearance if we’re lucky. No Cup in that span though.

        They should just trade their 17th pick for some other useless over the hill former 1st over-all draft pick. It’s not like the Habs are intent on building via the draft either.

    • Talik Sanis says:

      Hamrlik has served us well (except for the end of last year) but he is done. If we choose to bring him back, even if we find a taker for Spacek, rather than bringing in any of the top tier free agent defensemen available this year, we display a complete unwillingness to acknowledge and try to improve upon our weaknesses.

    • Habitoban says:

      Please add “risk averse” to your list.

    • habsfan0 says:

      ….and the mediocrity continues..

      “What’s past is prologue” William Shakespeare

      Pierre Gauthier…30 years NHL experience…0 Stanley Cups
      Jacques Martin…30 years NHL experience…0 Stanley Cups

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      You can always tell when HH’s prescriptions run out.

      I’m not a fan of this talk of Hamrlik back for another year but for once save your Habs are doomed for mediocrity until the team’s been fully assembled.

      Your hero Serge Savard got lucky when he found Roy. That pick saved his GM tenureship from not being 5 NHL-playing first-rounders in 12 years being useful and giving away a prime-years Chris Chelios for a used-up Denis Savard.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • HardHabits says:

        SS was the best the Habs have had since 1980. 3 Cup appearances. He also built an amazing team. The Habs were 2nd over-all in 1989 only losing the Cup to the #1 Flames.

        No one since comes close.

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          May have been the best since 1980, but that doesn’t make him outstanding. He stood by while Lafleur was forced into retirement as well. He made some serious mistakes as GM whether you’d like to admit or not and if not for his scouts finding Roy, we’d be on a Drive for 23.

          - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • HardHabits says:

            People make mistakes. At least he had success to go with those errors. Can’t say the same for the current management team.

          • SeriousFan09 says:

            And if Savard had stepped into the situation Gainey was in during ’03, what would he have done I ask. Savard at least had a starting base in MTL with players that had or would win NHL trophies like the Selke and the Norris, Gainey had no such advantage.

            - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
            SF09 on Twitter

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Lafleur was not forced into retirement. Lafleur was a player with diminishing skills, mostly due to his partying and lack of discipline. He didn’t want to accept a diminished role, wanted to be treated as an All-Star, and quit in frustration. Before his comeback with the Rangers he pointed fingers and blamed Lemaire, Gainey, Savard, Corey, etc. If he was still potting 50 goals and not being a giant pain in the dressing room he would not have been “forced out”.

            I wish Lafleur would look in the mirror sometimes. I also wish that he’d been dedicated to playing hockey instead of dedicated to being Guy Lafleur Superstar. His career would not have ended with him scoring 12 goals for the Nordiques.

            ———————————
            “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

            http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  53. habs03 says:

    Its not the end of the world if he is signed, but I really don’t get it. I could guess it would be around 1 year 3M.

    Markov-Gorges
    Gill-Subban
    Hamrlik-Yemelin/Spacek-Weber

    That is a pretty good D, every team uses about 8 D-man through-out the year, so our depth would be good. But this off-season was going to be a chance to change the D-core. The only reasoning for this IMO is that P.G. wants a year to see how Yemelin and Weber play as full time NHLer instead of committing longer contacts to other UFA D-men who he might not like as much as some of the D-men in next year’s free agency pool.

    • Favorite Son says:

      But how can Yemelin and Weber be full time NHLers if the top 6 included Markov, Gorges, Gill, Subban, Hamr and Spacek? They won’t get to play much… It doesn’t make sense.

  54. arcosenate says:

    Man these guys were out of gas in the first round of the playoffs this year, anyway, I guess PG and Martin are better informed than me.

    Tinordi playing beyond expectations apparently:

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?id=83

  55. krob1000 says:

    Many, may possibilities if this is true. I think Hammer is an elite 3rd pairing D, a below average 3 man and an average 4th d at this stage. What is interesting is the number of Dmen we are signing….could we have a taker for Spacek? Buffalo? they could use him and he would likely accept a deal there. Everyone assumes we are definitely keeping Gorges and Weber…yet many of the complaints about our team focus on offense and toughness. Weber can contribute offensively but is not physical and the team could in theory have Subban and Markov…and maybe even Wiz who are all likely better than Weber’s ceiling will ever be offensively. Then you have Gorges…a heart and soul guy, a leader in the truest sense, but likely wanting too much money for his role, you have Emelin coming in as the same type of guy and “reportedly” more physically punishing than Gorges.
    Then you have the injury factor, Markov aan Gorges are both recovering and Wiz is not far removed from knee work either. Knocking on the door we have Nash and down the road we have Tinordi likely to fill the Gill void.
    My best case scenario would have us signing Hammer cheap, moving Spacek to Buffalo for a late pick, throw in a mid grade prospect if need be. Retain Markov and Wiz and Gorges and trading Weber along with Pouliot for a gritty forward while still trying to sign Jagr for a year. Weber and Pouliot to Philly for Hartnell and a pick? Laich as a UFA and trade Weber and POuliot to a place they’ll get time?

    Pleks-Cammi-Jagr (13.5 million)
    Gio-Gomez-PAcioretty (14 million)
    Eller-Andrei K-Hartnell/Malone/Laich type (9 million)
    Desharnais-White-Moen (3.5)

    Darche as extra(800k)

    Markov-Emelin(6.75)
    Subban-Gill(3.25)
    Wiz-Gorges(7.5)

    Hammer (1.25) with Nash as an occaional fill in if it came to that

    Price/Auld (3.75)

    Grand total is 63.5 millionish using rough numbers (Jagr at 2.5, power forward at 4.2 million, Gorges at 3 million, Wiz at 4.5, Hammer at 1.25). IF these numbers are low which they may be…Moen is expendable with White around at 1.5 million.
    Signing all of the dmen is still possible with the cap increase…easily possible IMO. Now do they want to sign here? Gorges? likely…Markov likely too….now Wiz? not so sure but sure would be nice because that team on paper is a cup contender IMO.

    Maybe the team wants to take a run at Bieksa?or Jovo Cop who are two guys of the mould that Montreals D lacks and especially if they let Wiz walk. Could they get Bieksa?

    This Hammer news brings up many, many questions and possible scenarios….the scariest of course being we have sthe same d as last year with Markov instead of Wiz in which case we are only marginally better than last year IMO.

    • V says:

      Good analysis. Thanks.

      I will say that I would be surprised if our Coach and GM are as concerned with our physical game and size as much as so many posters here. I suspect they saw the same thing I did (except in much greater levels of depth) in our series against Boston and don’t think we were outmatched physically. That is not why we lost that series IMO. I believe we would have won the series with a few more goals – goals Max likely would have contributed to.

      If we get more toughness, great. But I have not seen anything saying management thinks it’s a priority and would not be surprised if we opt for skill players over tough ones.

    • Thomas says:

      Krob, you have my vote for GM of the Habs. Love the lineups, and money seems about right. Great Job, just get this sent over to PG’s office and we’ll be all set!

    • issie74 says:

      Who says Markov or Georges are able to start the season?Does anyone know for sure if they have been cleared to play when the season starts?
      I have know idea why you are all jumping to conclusions.

      NorthTOHab

  56. habs001 says:

    price must be excited if hammer signs as we will have 4 of the sofest d in the nhl in front of the net(spacek,hammer,gill and markov)

  57. V says:

    This makes sense. Takes some of the pressure off Webber, Subban and particularly Emelin.

    I would not be surprised if the transition for Emelin is rougher than anyone likes. He’s not just adjusting to a higher level of play, he is going to have to shake some deeply intrenched tendencies that worked for him in Russia and many not work for him here.

    This is where guys like Hamrlik, Markov and Gill will pay real dividends. The defense is undergoing a significant transition over a 2-3 year period. Nothing wrong with reducing the risk with solid vets who know their place and reduce the team’s overall risk. What we agree to pay an known commodity like Hamrlik now is likely less than what we would pay to bring someone in if Webber/Emelin don’t adjust fast enough.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree with the transition process for Emelin, but we simply can’t bring back all these 35+guys who don’t do any banging in the corners or keep the front of net clear. I almost rather have Mara as the insurance policy and probably much cheaper.

  58. Hobie Hansen says:

    If Hamrlik signs, I’ll be sick to my stomach if Spacek plays as well.

    Hamrlik is actully good enough to still compete, as long as he’s in the last paring and treated as somone in their late 30s should be.

    Gill, for some reason, probably cuz he takes up half the defensive zone, is still decent as well. As long as he isn’t caught in a foot race outside the blue line.

    But Spacek SUCKS! Put the three off them together in a 6-man unit and you’re putting up the white flag.

    Price will have to play twice as good as Thomas did in the playoffs just to win a gmae in the 1st round, with that bunch.

    Sure they might hang on for a while and could surprise a few people but by the time the season is winding down and the hitting and speed picks way up…they’re dead in the water!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree, the problem is having the 3 of them on the roster, and we know JM likes to play his vets. So we will see the 3 of them on the ice all the time.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        I’ve been a Martin and Gauthier supporter all along but if I see the three of them in the linup together I’ll wonder what the hell is going on inside their heads!

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Yup, can only hope PG has something brewing trade wise. As someone else mentioned, i hope this isn’t a result of problems signing Gorges and Markov.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            yeah well, if he is having trouble signing Markov and Gorges….Hamrlik is not the answer to that problem!!!!

  59. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I am all for it.

    Be nice to have you back Roman.

  60. thorandresson says:

    Anyone care to guess what the offer is?

    I’m thinking 6 million for 2 years or anything below that and I’m happy

  61. bobinsask says:

    While some are bemoaning the potential signing of Hamrlik it is important to keep in mind that our defense is far from settled. Markov and Gorges are still not signed and if/when they do, their health status remains unknown. I loved the Yemelin signing but he still has to prove himself. He will likely go through periods of being overly aggressive to overly cautious before he finally settles in. Weber is also far from being proven and fills a completely different role than Hamrlik. That role was filled last year by Wiz and he is probably competing with Diaz this year.

    As much as everyone wants to see the glass half full when it comes to our defense, I believe it is important to be prepared in case things don’t work out exactly as expected.

    Having said that, I wouldn’t pay Hamrlik any more than what Gill is being paid.

  62. nek25plus says:

    Hammer will be good…he filled in quite admirably for Markov this past year. I’m sure he will be used similarly to the way they used Brisbois.

  63. 24moreCups says:

    I really hope this doesn’t happen, Hamrs a great guy and I appreciate everything he’s done for the team but it’s time to move on.

  64. sims says:

    Cmon haters. why not? he’ll take a huuuuge discount and for the last 2 years he has been solid even when forced to play 20min. Face the facts….the wiz is gone. cant do both markov/wiz AND add a good forward.

    wiz will take a small discount and sign 4 years, 5 million with the wings.

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      He’s too worn out to play well in the last leg of the season and especially the playoffs when he plays 20+ minutes is the issue. The team needs to get younger and give guys like Yemelin and Weber opportunities to play and develop, they can get better, Hamrlik can only further decline at this point. Factor in that he and Subban have no chemistry on the ice and I’m against it.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

  65. TomNickle says:

    Vladmir Malakhov getting a contract offer this week too?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Tom, I am wondering if perhaps Petr Svoboda will not try throw a contract for himself in there too if PG is so eager for “Veteran” dmen.

  66. slamtherimtim says:

    building assets to pull off a trade i hope , this make no sense , otherwise , look at TO last year all the defense , but it dont win games , , we need to put the puck in the net , com on PG ,

  67. HabFanSince72 says:

    This is good news. Watching hockey is really a waste of time.

    I’ll be able to spend the time not spent watching Habs games improving myself. Read more books, check out the new Symphony Hall in Montreal, yoga, take up a musical instrument.

    Heck I hear they’re coming out with Plants versus Zombies 2.

    But watching the dullest slowest team in hockey coached by the dullest coach in the game trapping its way to one goal games against Florida and Winnipeg?

    Not a good option.

  68. Talik Sanis says:

    This can’t be done so as to trade him, as was suggested by another poster; we’d never do something so classless. Thus, if we sign him, he’ll be back, and Martin will be back to overplaying him, wearing him out and stealing minutes from younger players with bright futures.

    If we spend the money require to bring hm back, rather than bringing back Wisniewsk or addressing any of our needs, we would be making a terrible mistake. Ideally, we need a superior backup who can play 20-25 games, a top six forward with size, a prime-aged depth defenseman who could rotate into the #6 position in place of a possibly injured Markov, and, possibly, a large, competent bottom six player.

    As was evidenced by the end of the season, and as everyone but Gautier seems to realize, Hamrlik has slowed down, been worn out and would prevent us from improving the team.

  69. shiram says:

    Crazy speculation time.
    Keep Spacek, sign Hamr, give them all turtlenecks like Pleks, and that will ensure Jagr signs here!

    Even if reports say Gauthier is not interested!

  70. DearyLeary says:

    If we get a significant discount I’m all for it. Hamr’s contributions were vastly underrated last year, but not up to the price tag he carried.

  71. 24 Cups says:

    Hamrlik would give us 8 Dmen. He provides good insurance in case of injury or a blown tire by Emelin. Weber can also go up front or become the 13th forward as a swingman. Signing Hamrlik might mean we don’t have to trade another 2nd round pick at the deadline. He also can go on waivers once camp breaks and would surely be picked up by someone. There’s no risk involved.

    If he signs, you just know that it means the Wiz is gone. (Not that he was ever coming back)

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Rather find someone else as UFA because as we saw last season, he and Subban just don’t mix on the ice. That’s not Hamrlik’s fault, that’s the case for a lot of players around the NHL not mixing with others but this is a blue line that will be defined by #76 for the next decade and more and if injuries strike, we can’t have a guy taking on a bigger role if he can’t work with PK.

      - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

    • Morenz7 says:

      Yeah, I’m thinking they’ve either made their offer to Wiz, and he’s said he’s going to test the waters, or they’ve not even bothered, knowing they’d rather do other things with the money.

      Hammer at 15-18 minutes a night is a damn good defenceman, and a lineup that has both Markov and Subban would allow the coaches to limit his role thus. Hammer’s presence would also limit Spacek’s role, which is not a bad thing.

    • G-Man says:

      Habs have to stop with the Dman as 4th liner crap. If Weber isn’t good enough, he should be traded or in Hamilton.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Totally agree. It’s really hard for a defenceman to play forward, the positioning is different, it’s hard to anticipate where teh puck will be when you’re out of position, there are a lot of problems.

        Give Weber an honest chance at D, and if we need an extra forward let’s bring one up from Hamilton.

        ———————————
        “I hate the Bruins more than the Nordiques, who I hate more than the Flyers.”

        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  72. shiram says:

    So PG makes Hamr an offer, great!
    Some are saying we always let our free agents go freely, well this one still has value, and could be a great trade asset if signed. If not he is depth, but my issue with that is that we already have 2 other old and not so fast D in Gill and Spacek. 2 out of the 3 is fine, but the 3 of them taking spots on the team is restictive to say the least.
    Salary would have to be quite low though… We’ll see in the coming days.

  73. Chuck says:

    Petr Svoboda’s getting a lot of column-inches around here lately…

    • Morenz7 says:

      And a lot of what he says has a promotional ring to it. I’ve no reason to doubt Labbé, but I’ll believe this when Canadiens PR issues its release.

  74. SeriousFan09 says:

    No, just… No. We need to go younger and this steals ice time from Yemelin and Weber, who need development time so they can be better, Hamrlik can only decline at this point in his career.

    - I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

    • TomNickle says:

      And are in the perfect situation for the proper development by sliding into a comfortable #5 or #6 role. If Hamrlik is the guy in the pressbox, I’m fine with this, if he’s not, I’m not.

  75. kempie says:

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!


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