Habs will clear out lockers Saturday in Brossard

It’s all over.

The Canadiens’ season came to an end with Thursday night’s 1-0 loss to the Rangers in New York in Game 6 of the Eastern Conference final, losing the best-of-seven series 4-2.

There was no media availability on Friday, but the club announced that the players would clean out their lockers Saturday morning in Brossard and GM Marc Bergevin will hold his post-mortem press conference at 11 a.m. Monday.

“It’s  really  tough  for tonight talking about the entire  season, because I know it’s like when you get close to achieving a goal, it hurts, and it hurts more when you’re close,” coach Michel Therrien said during his post-game press conference Thursday night. “There are going to be 29 teams this year that are going to be disappointed, and one team is going to be enjoying their season while winning the Stanley Cup. That is the purpose.

“But I’ve got to look around the season, and we made some big progress this  year. I’m proud of this hockey team. We battled hard through the regular season and we battled hard in the playoffs.”

The Canadiens and mascot Youppi! will now have to pay up on a bet with Jimmy Fallon, the host of The Tonight Show on NBC and a big Rangers fan.

The Canadiens will change their Twitter avatar to a photo of Fallon (he will choose the photo) for a day and also tweet 10 pictures of Youppi! walking around Montreal in a Rangers jersey. If the Canadiens had won the series, Fallon would have had to wear a Habs jersey during his monologue on The Tonight Show.

Bergevin was busy on Friday, announcing that defenceman Dalton Thrower has signed a three-year contract with the club. The 20-year-old defenceman posted 12-27-39 totals in 42 games this season with the junior Vancouver Giants. The 6-foot, 203-pounder was selected by the Canadiens in the second round (51st overall) at the 2012 NHL Entry Draft.

(Photo by Graham Hughes/The Canadian Press)

How the Habs lit up a city, by Jack Todd for The Gazette

Future looks bright for Habs, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Habs are ahead of Bergevin’s schedule, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Rangers’ Moore a fitting hero, by Pat Hickey

Youppi! will pay up on bet with Jimmy Fallon, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Canadiens end dream playoff run, by Pat Hickey

No shame in Habs’ elimination, by Dave Stubbs

Subban sees positive side to playoff ouster, by Pat Hickey

Game 6 photo gallery, montrealgazette.com

A memorable run, canadiens.com

Rangers reach Stanley Cup final, NHL.com

Rangers in final for first time since ’94, New York Times

Rangers hope Kings-Blackhawks series goes to Game 7, New York Post

Rangers fans will pay over $2,000 for Stanley Cup tickets, New York Daily News

Canadiens sign defenceman Thrower, canadiens.com

Habs players thank fans for support on Twitter, Stu on Sports blog

Retired soldier and big Habs fan knows too much about concussions, Stu on Sports blog

888 Comments

  1. rhino514 says:

    Vanek´s actual words
    “(Montreal) is a place you want to be, especially at playoff time”
    Goes on to say that his number one priority is going somewhere he can win. Says he believes Montreal can win, has a great team. Does NOT seem to give Minnesota any preference over other places.

    Why is everyone down on this guy? He scored five goals and then was placed with a shutdown centre whom he couldn´t find chemistry with. Is that his fault?
    And why is everyone saying he is one-dimensional? The commentators kept heaping praise on his forechecking against the rangers; I was amazed personally when he skated the length of the ice to catch up to Zuccarello (who´s really fast) and cause an offside.
    Went on to say he felt comfortable playing with Eller in the latter stages. Imagine what playing with Vanek would do to Eller´s confidence; we all know he has the skill, as he showed when it counted during these playoffs.
    I would do everything possible to sign this guy. The drop off to the next available RW free agent is pretty big, and the team needs a good one; as of now they only have Gallagher as a moderate scoring threat.
    I actually think they have a chance to sign him.

    • ProHabs says:

      Exactly. See if this guy will sign 5 years for 6.5 mill. We need big forwards more than defenceman. We have 3 young defenceman ready to make the jump in Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn. We have absolutely no forwards even close to making the jump to the NHL. Give Vanek Markov’s money and let Markov go unfortunately.

      • rhino514 says:

        I think it will take at leat 7 million for 7 years, which is what the Isles offered. But I would actually give it to him.
        If he slows down in year 6, there will probably be another amnesty buy-out (i believe it expires in 6 seasons)
        I´m pretty sure they have room to keep both him and Markov. I like Markov, but I would be wary about offering him a alot of money this time around.

    • PK says:

      I liked Vanek’s play in the regular season.
      He brought a new dimension to the Habs.
      Remember his game against the Avs?
      It will be interesting to see how (and if) it plays out.

      >>>>> Les Canadiens sont là

    • Ton says:

      I agree than you build a supporting cast around those players……price…..subban………..vanek……..patch………I think it would be a good move for us………..he’s a goal scorer. and he logistically he gets them where there being scored from (front of the net) ….he requires distribution…..we don’t have players that can distribute……….

  2. habs001 says:

    PK,Markov,Emelin,Weaver,Gorges,Cube….If MT had the final decision not sure if he would not have this 6 on the team next year…and maybe even Murray with one Hamilton D…

  3. adamkennelly says:

    I’d like to see a future poll asking the following question.

    Given the cash and term likely required to sign Vanek – do you thing the Habs should try to sign him?

    In addition to YES and NO – there will be a special FAAAAAAAK NO which I will emphatically click.

  4. SnowManHabs85 says:

    So it’s that time again? Be A GM? Well first of, thank Mr. Gionta for his services but he’s no Koivu, so he’ll be gone. Sign a 3rd liner who can still play 2nd line minutes, oh wait, that’s Bourque when he wants to play… So who do we sign to replace Gionta? Or do Habs just replace Gio with Bournival?
    What about Vanek? We all need that player that can get us to the Playoffs and Vanek did exactly that and when the plays he made with Max and DD were beauties. I would prefer Gaborik who has more speed and seemed a better finisher than Vanek.
    What about Gorges? He talked like his chances to hold the SC were getting slim and I think he would welcome a trade to Western team.
    What about Markov? Sign him to 2 year deal MAX but not Subban $$$, but we sign him to a number like say 6m-7m/yr, sign and trade him…Habs are still in rebuild anyways..

  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    Guy Carbonneau thinks that Peter Budaj has helped Carey Price enormously, off the ice, with things like nutrition, preparation before the game, the attitude after a win, after a loss. Carey has taken big steps in the last two years. In the exit interviews, he believes that Carey will be consulted on Peter Budaj’s situation and future.

    About Tomas Plekanec, he’s a total pro, never have to worry about him as a coach. He came in every day and did his job, Mr. Carbonneau says he could focus on other things, other players, Tomas was not a time drain.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Ton says:

      and there so much more than just us posters don’t see……its called team unity………this team is very tight…….I know teams from the past have had fist fights…..savard vs henri richard……roy vs tremblay…..roy vs corson etc…………its a fine line between who you keep and who you get rid of and for what reason!

  6. Un Canadien errant says:

    Carey Price says he was pretty close to returning, it was just bad timing that he couldn’t.

    Doesn’t think that Chris Kreider crashed into him on purpose. Hockey is a rough sport. There’s only so much the league can do to protect them.

    Maintains it was a lower-body injury, with a smile, but it wouldn’t have required surgery. Given the time of year, he would have pressed to come back as soon as he could, but couldn’t “push his luck”, and had to consider how effective he could be. Doesn’t want to get too far into hypotheticals.

    The injury is completely unrelated to the Olympic injury. He’ll stick around to rehab for a while, time will be needed, but he wants to go home and recharge. He doesn’t think he’ll need a brace when he returns. He’s not sure that his off-season conditioning program will be affected by the injury, he’ll have to take it as it comes.

    On Peter Budaj, he has very kind words: “Peter is genuinely one of the nicest human beings I’ve ever met. He’s an unbelievable backup. He’s one of the best friends I have on this team. He showed a lot of character, he never hung his head, pouted, showed utmost support for everybody, including Dustin. It takes a special person to do that.”

    On Dustin: “He did a great job, it’s probably one of the hardest situation you could ever throw a guy into, and he really excelled. He showed why he’s won at every level. He’s an awesome guy, and I got to take my hat off to him, he did an excellent job.”

    Asked if this was his best season ever, he says definitely, maybe Top 2. The team played really well in front of him. Fortunate to represent his country, had an awesome time, great opportunity to do that. He says it was really fun to play with these guys, “the tightest group we’ve ever had.” Sad it had to end, look forward to next year.

    Thinks they have an excellent shot at the Cup. Came just a little bit short, have to find ways to improve, over the summer have to evaluate. Every player has to get 10%, maybe 1% better.

    After the injury, tried to stay involved, come to the rink, stick to a routine, not be brushed off to the side, special time of the year, wanted to feel involved. Hardest part of being injured is not being involved, tried his best to stay involved.

    About Brian Gionta (and Andrei Markov?), the guys who wear letters are a big part of the club. One of the factors unfortunately in pro hockey is money. He’d love to have him back. Regardless of what happens, had a lot of fun playing with both of them. Never know.

    On P.K., he’s definitely maturing, you can see why he won the Norris, excellent post-season, needed to win the Cup. Fun-loving guy, fun to hang out with, to come to the rink every day, one of his really good buddies, happy to see him succeed.

    “Teams get really bonded at this time of the season. Special team to get through this part of the year, we got even closer.”

    He knew right away that something was wrong after the Kreider takeout, but “it’s the playoffs man!…” (everyone laughs) He stayed in for a while hoping it would go away, get better. About staying in, almost wishes he had, but “it is what it is.” Wasn’t like a stinger, didn’t go away, after ten more minutes. He doesn’t think he made it worse by playing on for ten more minutes. He felt his effectiveness go down, says even ‘Tikker’ could tell.

    (It supports my belief that he suffered an MCL strain. Symptoms don’t include a lot of pain, just your knee is wonky, feels weird. You hope it kind of goes away, but the wobble keeps happening, and you realize something is wrong.)

    “I don’t think he did it intentionally, I don’t think he tried to miss me either. He was coming with a lot of speed and lost his footing. I’m not going to seek revenge. Hockey is a game of chance, I was unlucky.”

    About Peter Budaj returning, he says he’s very positive, doesn’t doubt that he’ll bring a good attitude. Thinks he’s a very special guy. He practices endlessly, takes a lot of shots, yet only plays a few times a month. “If anybody is going to bring a positive attitude it will be Peter.”

    About Dustin Tokarski, he obviously played very well, the coaches saw something in him, played a hunch, he excelled, took advantage of situation, can’t fault anybody. Carey knew his ability, his personality going back to his Spokane Chief days. He was awesome, in a tough spot, being able to succeed.

    Big picture, season is semi-satisfying, but still painful, still a little bit empty, unsatisfying. Guys deserve to go home, take a break, feel proud of what was done.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  7. Commandant says:

    Someone asked about Vanier…. I’ve got 55 Prospects up. He’s at 38.

    All the reports are here.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2014-nhl-draft-headquarters/

    Go Habs Go!

    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  8. JUST ME says:

    Of all the inteviews given today ,only Bourque`s left me wondering..He spoke as if he felt obligated to force himself because this is playoffs time. It`s like he was cruising and taking it easy up to that point and suddenly…

    I tought that he had saved his job in MTL as a few other did cause after all this is the moment you want your players to produce but i still feel that he could give much more and get much more but he seems satisfied with the job he has even if it means to be benched a few times ?

    I don`t know. We all see in him a big power forward that could rock and drive to the net but sometimes i wonder if it wouldn`t be better to let another G.M. dream big…He is a bit like Benoit Pouliot in the sense that we all see greatness in them but end up short …oh so short…

  9. habs001 says:

    Many issues to resolve for next year..PP has not been good for a while and who will be your 4 PP points?….The Habs were one of the worst 5/5 scoring teams till Vanek was added…why will they be any better next year?…

  10. PK says:

    So much discussion during the playoffs about Vanek ..injured or not?
    Especially after that hit by PK that went awry (Game 3 in Boston, I think). Really sorry to hear that it was all just an issue about chemistry… Vanek wanted to play on the nominal 1st line.

    Puts Gallagher’s effort in perspective, no? He gets plugged into any line that the coach feels needs a push. Gallagher does not worry too much about chemistry.

    So, Vanek is done in Montreal or is MB going to give him an offer?
    Or go after another UFA?

    Oh, as for that Damien Cox article … Does he remember the Laffs hoisting the Cup in 1967?
    The majority of today’s hockey fans were not around or don’t remember ….That is probably the key difference between the Habs and the Laffs.

    Lastly, thx to UCe for posting all those players’ comments.

    >>>>> Les Canadiens sont là

    • mrhabby says:

      lots of talk about Vanek. clearly the guy is very talented and worth the big coin he will get from some team. Vanek did not lose all his skills over night despite his no show against the Rags. His overall career says he can out up some big numbers and is productive. There maybe some truth that he was not on the right line who really knows with the habs. I would still offer him a contract. His playoff body of work is small so he should get a big offer.

    • habstrinifan says:

      There were quite a few “RECKLESS” posts emphatically stating that P.K. caused the team dearly by injuring Vanek.

      And that Vanek’s resigning is a priority.

      Amazing stuff!

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I posted once that i was indeed concerned that if Vanek was injured that it may have been the result of the hit he received from PK. I also stated the hit seemed like a reckless play.

        I also like Vanek as a player, and would like to see him signed.

        Have these opinions now made me a bad person?

        • habstrinifan says:

          I have no quarrel with you as a person and of course pass no judgement there. That would be bloody stupid of me.

          I found your post using the terms “reckless” and “may cost us dearly” in the middle of the Rangers series very inflammatory.

          As I posted then, calling one player “reckless” in the context in which you used it (in direct reference to Vanek being injured and suffering for the REST of the series) was at the very least strange.

          You could characterise the hit as ‘reckless’ because it took P.K out of position defensively, but reckless because Vanek was unfortunately injured?

          As for resigning Vanek.. I disagree with you. And in a previous post I explain why, including offering the opinion that what we saw from Vanek in the playoffs was essentially what we saw from Vanek in the regular season…. and therefore questioning if the contract we would have to give him could be justified.

          You and I therefore will have to agree to disagree there.

          And I may add that all during the playoffs I posted supporting Vanek as a player who could NOT be benched. In fact I was one of the first posters forecasting that Bournival would be benched ahead of Vanek, when many were calling for MT to bench Vanek.

      • PrimeTime says:

        I’m guessing any criticism, right it wrong, is “reckless” in your opinion??

        • habstrinifan says:

          If that is the conclusion you reach after all my posts on this topic then I would have to conclude that you are as impregnable to discourse as you are IMPLYING that I am in this post.

  11. CH Marshall says:

    Re Vanek, has he ever gone this deep in the playoffs? Very mixed feelings about him. Talented? No question. Desire? Hmm

    Re Weaver, I hope they can make room for him to mentor Tiny and the Beau. (do we have a nickname for NB yet?)

  12. Keener_7 says:

    Just read a piece regarding Vanek. He claims that the he wasn’t playing hurt and his lack of shots was due to being removed from the DD line. Sorta sounds like he wanted to be on the top line or not play at all.

    Here is the link: http://www.thescore.com/news/512031

  13. Maritime Ronn says:

    A call out to Un Canadien errant for taking time and posting all the info about player reaction before they head out

  14. Un Canadien errant says:

    Guy Carbonneau thinks that the Canadiens’ management and coaching staff are really united, work well together, and surprise outsiders. Analysts, other teams look at the roster and don’t think too much about the Canadiens, who keep winning and surprising, putting streaks together. He mentions Gerard Gallant, Stephane Waite as playing big roles, getting the most out of players, situations.

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  15. RockinRey says:

    Saw the scrum with Vanek . He played like he wanted to get home. The whole interview smells. Its awkward. I wanna go somewhere to win. Of course he does but with minimum effort.

    This guy looks like a lazy house league hockey player that likes to clean up the easy goals. Great hands. Work ethic. Not so much.

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    ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
    —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • CH Marshall says:

      Probably a classic case of coasting on talent.

      • PrimeTime says:

        Probably. Can’t see any team making him an offer that won’t pay him less than his last contract. He is obviously a coaster and just wants to make minimum contributions. Fans should decide his fate with Habs. We all witnessed what kind of player he is during these playoffs. MB and his staff should always listen to the armchair GM’s. But then again maybe we should trust their decision to what is best for the team. Ah who are kidding??? We know more and can make miracle trades from our living rooms. This team will only win the cup every year if the fans make all personal decisions.

  16. Danno says:

    The Habs’ season might be over, but the passionate discussions continue

    Yes, Thank You Boys

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  17. Jimmy Page says:

    With Gionta in the Montreal lineup:

    2010 – 3rd round PO
    2011 – 1st round PO G7 loss the cup winning B’s
    2012 – injured – No PO
    2013 – injured – Sens disaster PO
    2014 – 3rd round PO

    No dressing room disunity/cliques with him as captain for 5 years.

    Great job, Gio!

    • CH Marshall says:

      I think he served the CH well, and was paid handsomely. But time to go with a younger guy, or at least a guy with some upside left

      • PrimeTime says:

        Geez you’re petty

        • RockinRey says:

          Petty? PrimeTime you tend to come out with so many assenine comments. Paying Briere and Gio what they were paid was folly given their expected contributions. Gio is nothing special. He served them well to bring them back is not really a step forward.

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          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

          • CH Marshall says:

            As other postées point out, I think Bournival can take Gio’s spot on 3rd line. Gio was signed at to be on 1st line in an experiment with the Smurfs. He did well, but what we really need is a power forward winger with size. Gallagher shouldn’t have to be the only rw crashing the net.

          • PrimeTime says:

            If Gio is signed I’m sure it will for less but you have to put a value of him as Captain. MB knows this more than fans who have never played.

    • Danno says:

      He simply is not worth $5M anymore. Salary reduction or sayonara…

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  18. Un Canadien errant says:

    René Bourque, asked about his playoffs, says it was nice, needed to finish on a good note, got to help a lot, make up for regular season. Still feel he’s a good player, can still play, put up good numbers, carry that into next season. “I never doubted myself, as bad as I was, I could do it” (everyone laughs)

    Wanted to play well, help the team win, will be a long summer, unfortunate how it ended, but there’s a bright future.

    ‘For some reason, I was able to elevate my game.’ Playoffs are more a grind, he’ll do whatever he needs to do to win.

    Asked if he could pinpoint any reason for his problems during the season: “I don’t know.” (Pauses and smiles, engaging the reporters.) “I don’t know.” (Shaking his head, still smiling)

    About Ginette Reno, was concerned she wouldn’t have made it if there was a game tonight, told about the concert she had. “Hopefully she can be back next year.”

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/les-s%C3%A9ries-m-ont-fait-oublier-la-saison-3.985447

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    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I am surprised everyone is talking about trading Tokarski instead of him. If there was a time to trade Rene, it has to be now…no?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        He’s relatively cheap, big, can skate, unless they make me a good offer, I hang on to him and hope he can deliver more according to his potential. Big factor is that he’s well-liked, not a problem, doesn’t complain about icetime. So instead of flipping him for a low draft pick or a plug, might as well keep him. I only trade him if someone offers something valuable.

        Gaston Therrien used to say that Michael Ryder doesn’t hurt you unless he’s not scoring. René Bourque actually contributes when he’s not scoring, he doesn’t hurt you. He plays his position, he’ll chip in with a hit, on the defensive side, has killed penalties. At $3.3M, he’s not killing us like Tomas Kaberle was.

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        http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

      • piper says:

        When Bourque is on like he has been in the last 2 playoffs, he invaluable to this team. If he could play that way during the season he be the best bargain in hockey.

  19. Jimmy Page says:

    Please get RID of that pathetic picture ASAP.

  20. Un Canadien errant says:

    George Parros: “Fascinating, lots of attention, everything is true, passionate fan base, really fun to play at home, fun experience. Personally challenging year, started off on wrong foot. Did everything I could to help out the team, positive attitude. Personally not the best year I’ve ever had, good experience nonetheless, go from there.”

    He hasn’t had his exit interview. Free agent July 1, see what happens.

    “My injury set me back, took a month or so to get back from that. I felt good, I felt confident, hard to get momentum. New team, new coaching staff, would have liked to hit the ground running. Understandable what happened. Not much rapport with coaches, not a lot of history, understood their reservations.”

    Asked how tough it was to sitting out, he said it was difficult, you always want to play. Strange to not play, but fun to be part of it overall.

    “A lot of good things here, great team that Berg put together, starting from Carey and going out, great chemistry in locker room, guys are great, great place to play.”

    He never considered not playing, retiring, he’ll be looking for a job.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/je-n-ai-jamais-consid%C3%A9r%C3%A9-la-retraite-3.985445

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  21. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Don’t rule Out Gionta getting signed…

    Him and Plekanec on the third line would be pretty good. Maybe try and get a guy like Mason Raymond to chip in offensively to play with them.

    • Hobie says:

      Sorry to say but Gionta lost a step, big time. During the majority of the playoffs I’d see a 3-2 going the other way and it would be Gionta’s man who was 10 feet a head of him.

      • UKRAINIANhab says:

        I know. But MB was a player and he probably knows thee importance of a good captain. Im just saying that some people are acting as if he is already out the door. We shall find out.

    • Captain aHab says:

      If he comes back as the C, MT won’t be able to bench him when he sucks. I think that ship has sailed.

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      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

      • Ton says:

        i agree its time……….we went through it with Koivu………its time.

        • Clay says:

          Big difference – Koivu should have finished his career here – it was not time for him.
          It is definitely time to respectfully say goodbye to Gionta. I wish they would have at least showed Koivu some respect when he was leaving.

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          ☞ “The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe things without evidence” ~ Aldous Huxley ☜

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I would love to bet against all those who think Gionta is going to be signed. Briere is going to replace him for next season. Not as good defensively but provides the same offense and leadership.

  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Douglas Murray: “On a personal level, I’m obviously pretty disappointed. Wish I could have contributed a lot more, had a bigger role. Personal level, I’m not satisfied.”

    Asked if he wants to come back: “If they want me, obviously. Great city, great hockey town, great team here. Had a good run, sadly we came up short.”

    Asked about his role next season: “First of all, I don’t believe in conditions when signing with a team, it’s up to yourself to earn the playing time. You can’t get conditions when signing with a team, in your contract, that you play all the games, all you can do is listen to what their plans are.”

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    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  23. Un Canadien errant says:

    Travis Moen: “It was tough, you want to play, don’t want to be in the stands.”

    Coming off the injury, not in game shape, coaches sat him out, but you can’t get back in game shape if you’re not playing. He wants to win another Cup, hopes to get another chance next year. Work on some things over the summer and come back next year. Told during his exit interview that it was felt he wasn’t in game shape after his concussion.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/l-exp%C3%A9rience-ne-peut-que-nous-aider-3.985436

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    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  24. Phil C says:

    Criticising Vanek for not being a two-way player is like criticizing Gorges for not being offensive. The truth is both players can be effective if put in the right situations. This didn’t happen for Vanek in these playoffs. I would have rather seen him scratched then dropped to the fourth line. He needs to play with offensively-minded playmakers to be effective. That didnt happen for him in these playoffs.

    Vanek has some of the best hands around the net I have ever seen, so with the right teammates, he could produce. If Galchenyuk is going to emerge as an elite centre in a few years, he’ll need elite wingers to go with him, so I would be tempted to make Vanek an offer. At the right price and term of course. Any player becomes a negative asset if you pay them too much.

    • CranbrookEd says:

      Good analogy . . . I would also vote to bring Vanek in order to see him for a full season with regular linemates . . . hmm, except of course regular linemates is a relative notion when MT is the head coach . . . so IF MT can be coached to make a few tweaks in his approach, it may just work . . .

      CranbrookEd
      Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I can’t criticize Vanek 100% for his play against the Rangers because he did not get a chance to re-unite with Max and DD.

      • Jimmy Page says:

        In Game 6 vs. the NYR, it was pretty clear early on that Gallagher was playing terribly. Vanek should have been put on the line instead… Not that this change would have assured a win.

  25. Un Canadien errant says:

    David Desharnais says the end was difficult, but overall it was a positive season, going in the right direction. “We’re good at every position, good nucleus, pretty much everyone is signed, good veterans.”

    Thomas Vanek helped he and Max to try new things, be more creative. “At the end of the year, for sure you want everyone to stay, but it doesn’t always work out.” Thomas Vanek brought confidence, it was a big thing.

    The first 20 games, it was difficult, got through it, proud of it, never looked back after that.

    About Brian Gionta, he’s a leader, we don’t know what will happen, he’s an important guy, brings leadership, calm in the room.

    About Max’s support, his positive words early in the season, he says it sure helped. His teammates believed in him, Max was a big part of that, Daniel Brière too. The shootout goal in Columbus helped give him his confidence back.

    Asked about veterans like Markov, guys who might be back, and whether the younger guys are ready to take over, he seems uncomfortable, says they can do it a little bit at at a time, if it comes to that. ‘As long as they’re here, we’ll help out, and take over when the time comes. There’s never enough experience in a team.’

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/je-suis-fier-d-avoir-surmont%C3%A9-mon-d%C3%A9but-de-saison-3.985441

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  26. Ton says:

    I am sure this is what happened with Vanek……..on the first line…clicking and doing well…….rejects same offer as Islander or more from our GM……….they could not get him to sign……..gets demoted to 4th line! So obvious…..this is how things work internally….easy to read!

    • Phil C says:

      No way. They would not let the team suffer just to be vindictive. I don’t believe they would be so petty, but more importantly, it would not serve the team’s best interest. It would make more sense to try and ride him to a Cup and squeeze every ounce of value out of him than to do want you suggest.

      • Ton says:

        it does happen in business! or the only other reason is to get him a way from top d pairings to spread out the offense……….vanek is not a complete player……..but he has deadly hands……..it was only bad luck that he didn’t bat that puck by the king in the last game! i would keep him but get him the right distributor……….

  27. Un Canadien errant says:

    Tomas Plekanec is disappointed it didn’t work out well (playoffs). About Thomas Vanek not finding chemistry: “I guess it’s right, we didn’t score many goals.” (laughs) “We didn’t have much time, sometimes it works right away, sometimes it takes time to find chemistry, it’s normal.”

    Comparing to 2010, he says it was different. Last time was maybe two lines and great goaltending, now it was a lot more depth. We got on a run as a team, even with some guys had ups and downs. Young guys had a chance to play a lot, there’s a bright future.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/l-avenir-est-reluisant-3.985428

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  28. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I voted for PK in the poll but the Habs MVP was clearly Carey Price…c’mon HIO.

  29. python79 says:

    As an Austrian I have followed Vanek’s career since the beginning. If you look at his career stats he has typically 60-80 points per season. Most goals resulting from deflections, one-timers, shots from the slot, hard battles in front of the net and several breakaways. This guy is not a defensively skilled player and I do not remember he has ever had a fight with another player, but his stick-handling skills are fantastic. His drought in the Rangers series was something I never observed before. To me it seems that both Pacioretty and Desharnais cooled down (as well) at the play-offs and Vanek was some kind of scapegoat for many fans. Look at the numbers of Pacioretty and Desharnais. Did they work so hard? Then where are their numbers?

    • PrimeTime says:

      Fan expectations can be dangerous to theirselves.

    • CranbrookEd says:

      There has certainly been much made of Vanek’s seemingly dismal play in the playoffs. It may well be that the expectations were set way too high . . . and, you are correct in pointing fingers towards Pacioretty and Desharnais whose production was also dismal. Personally, I found Pacioretty to be more frustrating than Vanek. Since they are both streaky scorers, one can only hope that they head south at different times if on the same line . . . which, they should have been after the Bruins series. That I place on the coaching staff or in particular, MT who exhibits way too much old school type thinking for my liking . . . too many players (though, amazing not all, just some, for some reason!) fear of making a mistake and then risking being benched. MT is however not going anywhere, at least for the immediate future, so I suppose that I need to accept some of his shortcomings.

      Hmm . . . seemed to have rambled away from Mr. Vanek . . . I would welcome him back for a full season with regular linemates . . .

      CranbrookEd
      Mr. Beliveau: “Pure Pak mais oui”! . . .

  30. Un Canadien errant says:

    Mike Weaver: “I had an amazing time here. The media was, uh, uh, ‘interesting’…” (media scrum laughs). “Would love to come back, we’ll see what happens.”

    He says putting on the jersey was amazing, always wondered about a Canadian market. He’s “hoping they want me back.” It’s his agent’s job to worry about it.

    Thinks he fit in the structure of the team, guys were welcoming, really good guys on the team, enjoyed on and off the ice. “They knew what they were getting. Berg was watching me the last couple years, he knew what he was getting.”

    Won the Turner Cup with the Solar Bears (ECHL), learned a lot his first year from the older guys.

    Asked about mentorship: “Like being a father figure?… (laughter) I run a hockey school in Toronto, used to teaching younger kids.” (more laughs)

    Says nothing too crazy in terms of injuries, just “bruises on top of bruises”.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/c-est-sp%C3%A9cial-rev%C3%AAtir-le-chandail-du-ch-3.985432

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Unless Pateryn is ready for next season, I’d like to the Habs sign Weaver to mentor Tinordi next to him. Can play PP, PK and is tough…a “no-brainer” in my opinion.

    • Phil C says:

      Definitely have to sign Weaver. If one of the kids takes his job in training camp, then that’s a better problem to have than realizing your young guys are not ready and Weaver has already signed somewhere else.

  31. Un Canadien errant says:

    Francis Bouillon hasn’t had his exit interview yet, he’s eager, always fun to know what’s ahead. He feels great, wants to help, feels he can. He doesn’t know what’s next, what the CH thinks, but he’s not thinking retirement, he can still help a team.

    ‘At my age, I won’t be part of the Top 4, but I can play, I can help, bring experience. Even when I didn’t play, I was a good teammate, ready to go in. I’d like to stay here. There are lots of kids, lots of d-men who’ll get a chance next year. We’ll see.’

    For him, Mike Weaver, Douglas Murray, is it stressful not knowing what’s next? A little bit, hasn’t really thought about that much yet. Might stress out a bit in the next few weeks. People know what he can bring, experience, always came back strong. Feel really good, always prepared, lots of time in the gym. ‘I’m a proud guy.’

    Last time, didn’t know what to expect, got three phone calls on July 1, a bit surprised about that. Now he’s 38, might not be as many teams interested, he’ll be patient, just wants to play next year. If he thought his speed was gone, was losing his battles, he’d be honest with himself, he’d retire, but he’s playing year to year, and he feels he can continue.

    About the team, believed after going through Boston, was disappointed to be eliminated, thought he had a good chance to finally win. Future is clear, lots of young guys, next few years are just going to be positive.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/aucun-doute-je-veux-revenir-l-an-prochain-3.985426

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  32. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re Thomas Vanek.

    The expectations of Vanek arriving in Montreal were that of an almost superstar – or a slot below….yet his recent 3 year stats show that he is a 25-30 goal scorer.

    Montreal is not the place for him, because Montreal was never a city that enjoyed lumbering skaters and almost 1 dimensional hockey players.

    The media and many others quickly pounced on Vanek because of perceived laziness…yet the numbers will show that only Rene Bourque (8) scored more goals than Vanek (5) in the playoffs.
    Montreal would not have liked Brett Hull.

    It’s interesting to watch Vanek get hung out to dry, yet the Habs supposed #1 center scored 1 PP goal and 1 Empty Net goal in 17 playoff games playing almost 18 minutes and preferred 1st Unit PP time…yet he is vaunted, and gets a free pass for ‘hard work.’

    • Saintpatrick33 says:

      Not giving DD a pass because I feel like there is no way we make the next step with him on our first line. That being said I think it’s far worse to have a player with a tonne of talent that plays with no passion and effort than a guy who gives his all but can’t produce on the ice in the playoffs due to his size.

      It’s quite obvious that Vanek was protecting his investment and not playing as hard as he could. For that reason I hope he never sees another conference finals.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Vanek bounced around with 3 different teams this year.
        Was he given every opportunity to succeed?
        Was there patience shown in the end….like the patience shown to the # 1 center when he started the year with 0 goals and 1 assist in the first 19 games?

        What were your performance expectations?
        As mentioned, only Rene Bourque scored more goals for the Habs than Vanek in the playoffs

        • Saintpatrick33 says:

          I think we saw the reason why he was bounced around. A tonne of talent but no heart. I agree with you about DD 100%. He gave his all but it wasn’t good enough to center the first line. In fact I doubt he’d make any team’s 2nd line let alone first. We need to start grooming Galchenyuk for the role in which he was drafted. He needs tough minutes on the top 6 as a center if he has any chance in developing into the stud he should be.

          2 years of being protected and coddled is enough it’s time for him to take the reins and play with this team’s best wingers.

    • B says:

      Desharnais is a $3.5M playmaking center. Vanek is a $7.14M scoring winger. Which one do YOU think should have higher expectations?

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        At almost 18 minutes per game and preferred 1st unit PP time, that center should carry the team in scoring…plus he never plays tough PK minutes

        For all NHL centers in the playoffs and being in the final 4 having played many more games than most other centers, he ranked 17th for scoring Centers….and his 1 goal (sorry, I don’t count empty net gift goals) tied him for 43rd of all playoff centers in goals scored.

        Where do you think you’re going with that?

        • B says:

          You complained that Vanek got more flak for under performing in the playoffs than Desharnais did and I was trying to point out that I think Vanek has higher expectations and therefore deserves the higher level of flak. Sorry if I was not clear on that.

          –Go Habs Go!–

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            Ok
            Got it.
            Next time we’ll bring out the flak jackets
            :-)

          • B says:

            Sorry if flak was a funny or inappropriate word to use. I suppose I could have just used ‘criticism’ instead.

            –Go Habs Go!–

  33. C-Sword says:

    I’m not kidding, if the Hawks were to beat L.A., I’ll be rooting for the Blue Shirts, I can’t stand watching the Hawks win anymore.

  34. Un Canadien errant says:

    Daniel Brière says the run the team was on was great, wants to be back next year, he’ll do what he’s asked to to help the team. Playing for the team was wonderful, the playoffs, the series. He says every player wants more responsibility, every player is competitive, but the coach has to make decisions, and respects that. Looking to be able to do more next year. The fans gave him and the team a chance to live a great run, great memories. He wants a chance to take the next step, have the team for it, already eager for next season.

    Living this experience ‘here in Québec, being Québecois, with the Canadiens, it will stay with me for a long time’.

    About changes, turnover, is team ready for young guys to take over? Being on the exterior last season, against the Senators, perception was the team might be fragile (emotionally). Things are going in the right direction, went times were tough guys were pulling together, not just a captain thing, the whole team.

    He says he feels great, last season he had injuries, broken wrist, now it’s just bumps and bruises. He’ll start training for next year ‘in a few days’.

    The team has taken a big step this year, hopes it’ll use it positively, gives hope, get another chance next year. We weren’t far, a few goals away from a Stanley Cup final.

    ‘I’m first to admit I didn’t play well, for reasons I won’t go into, it was an adaptation, it was difficult. Second half was much better, found my zip, was getting better and better. If I got twenty minutes, I wanted 25, always want more. I’ll do whatever I can to win.’

    He’s convinced he’ll be back in September, seems very assured about that. Important thing is to prepare, be more ready next year, will be much easier, he knows what to expect.

    ‘I’m convinced we can do better. What hurt was the first two games against the Rangers.’

    ‘Thomas Vanek gave us another push, a second chance, the things he did with the puck, the energy he brought, the players were more confident, had more hope, more belief’.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/j-esp%C3%A8re-avoir-la-chance-d-en-donner-plus-3.985422

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    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Of course Briere wants to be back next year.
      Close to his birth home, he’ll be 38 when the season starts.
      Let’s not forget he will collect a cool $4M salary for playing 8- 10 minutes a game.

      Extremely bad Cap Management when a Bottom 6 player is paid that type of money.

  35. Hobie says:

    You can certainly question Habs management for not putting Vanek back with Desharnais and Pacioretty. I think Therrien deserves a bit of criticism for that.

    That still doesn’t explain why Vanek looked like a zombie out there. He was a bum in the New York series. His effort was terrible.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I am one of those people who gets flummoxed in new situations when things change suddenly. Perhaps he is like that. It looked like he was coming around at the end.

    • JUST ME says:

      Agree but at the price he is getting paid I expect more leadership from a player and did not feel like he wanted any. He had a short time to make his mark i admit but a player of that caliber with a much better team that he was used to play with should have done more.

  36. adamkennelly says:

    If Vanek is telling the truth about not being injured – then he needs to punch himself in the face.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Does that work for you.?

      • adamkennelly says:

        don’t know – cause I never play hockey giving a completely half-assed effort. He had eyes all over July 1st – if not injured then definitely playing not to get injured. He was useless most of the playoff games he played.

        am I wrong? does anyone want him resigned in MTL? does anyone think they will give him an offer?

        • PrimeTime says:

          I would say if MB and M T thought he was only giving a half-assed effort they probably won’t make an offer. But then again they may have seen something different than you.

  37. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Just read some articles on NHL.com on why the Rangers won and Habs lost and not one mentioned Price’s injury. How can anyone who thinks they know anything hockey not pick Price’s injury as the main factor??? Tokarski played well but not in game 2 and did not help the D at all with puck handling. If Price does not get hurt, the Habs win game 2 and everything changes. The Rangers have a horse shoe up the butts. They are basically the New Jersey Devils of 2012 and they will get smoked the same by the Kings.

    • Jack Russell says:

      Finally someone mentions the elephant on the ice. Chris Krieider should win the Con Smythe. Not for his 4 point night in game 5, but for eliminating the Habs best player. I truly believe that with Price, Canadiens would have won the series. He was peaking. He was consistent. He was confident.
      Not to diminish Tokarski’s accomplishment, but one only has to look at game 2 – goals 2 and 3. Price would have stopped both. Specially the one that allowed Nash to escape the embarrassing goal drought that he was enduring.
      With what he did in the Olympics, his play in the first 2 series, and his adopting the mantle of leadership, Price became irreplaceable. Kreider’s accidentally-on-purpose collision cost Montreal a trip to the finals.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Taking a series to 6 games with games 1 and 2 going to OT is being “smoked”?

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Probably because Tokarski played pretty well, but I think Carey would have saved us at least one game, and we could have been playing game 7 tonight. I have thought in the past that the import Habs’ injuries tends to be diminished by the press.

  38. habsfan0 says:

    I noticed that Vanek was wearing a cap with no logo on it.
    No Habs logo,i.e.
    Hmm.

  39. Un Canadien errant says:

    Peter Budaj says not playing ‘was disappointing, everybody wants to play, wants a chance, but can’t control that, stayed positive’. He wants to be here, has another year on his contract, really good team, really good year, we’ll see what happens. Hasn’t had year-end meetings yet with coaches. Only one net, one goalie, decisions aren’t easy, ‘I wanted to play’, when decision was made, he wanted to support team, teammates. Best support is to win games. We worked really hard. Felt team was behind him, supported him, and Toker. Not an easy situation, do the best you can with cards you’re dealt. Didn’t want to worry about stuff he didn’t control. He wanted to be ready to go in if needed, not get distracted. He’s happy here, likes it here, great group of guys, would really want to be back here, looking forward to the next. ‘I’ve proven in the past that I can win against tough opponents, I can help this team’.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/le-but-ultime-est-toujours-de-remporter-la-coupe-3.985409

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  40. PrimeTime says:

    Patrick Kane is held in check for most of the WCF but as soon as he is moved to a line with Shaw and Saad he gets 7 points the past 2 games and gets Hawks to a game 7. Vanek is not Kane but don’t kid yourself, line combinations are huge to skilled players.

  41. Un Canadien errant says:

    Brian Gionta says he and his family love the city, he loves the team, he’ll leave it to ‘Berg and his agent’. Geoff Molson and Berg have done a great job with the organization, have to give them credit. The ‘pieces that were added fit right in right away, I thought we were a tight group, respect around the room, when things were tough, guys weren’t bickering, they were sticking together’. He’s confident, ‘with both sides, something will get done. We like it here, we had a great run, we definitely would love to be back.’

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/le-but-ultime-est-toujours-de-remporter-la-coupe-3.985409

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  42. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Vanek has the skill but clearly not the speed (or effort) to justify a huge contract. If money is an issue, he’s going to regret rejecting the Islanders $49 million/7 year offer.

    On a side note, with all the running of goalies this year, back-ups will become more valuable. Hopefully the Habs can get something useful for Budaj.

    • JUST ME says:

      I would try to put Tokarski on the market although his value is uncertain. I do not see a future for him here unless there are injuries and think that at his age he needs to play much more than what a number 2 will in MTL. If he plays in the organization then i would have him play in Hamilton because lots of new blood down there next year but also middle term Condon and Fucale are the future of the farm team and /or the big team. Not certain about whether Tokarski has a two way deal for next season though…

      • Commandant says:

        I’d keep Tokarski.

        1) you aren’t getting much for a goalie with 10 NHL games.
        2) He is almost a million dollars cheaper than Budaj, thats valuable cap space for other positions.

        He also can’t go to Hamilton without waivers. This has nothing to do with 1way/2way deals, and everything to do with age.

        He’s spent 4 years in the AHL, he’s got nothing more to learn there, will learn more from NHL shooters, even at 20 games + season full of practice.

        Go Habs Go!

        http://lastwordonsports.com/

        • JUST ME says:

          Obviously that would be the most likely scenario but since there is only one year left to Budaj`s deal and that priority number one for Bergevin starting next season will be building new core of players in Hamilton, a year down there for Tokarski would be good for everyone. And then who knows ?

        • piper says:

          But they are already paying Budaj next year. I would bet Tokarski has more value on the market than Budaj.

    • B says:

      If they move Budaj then I think they would need to pick up another goalie to replace him. It’s good to have a goalie in the AHL with NHL experience in case one (or god forbid two) of the goalies on the NHL squad gets injured. It would also be good for the Dogs next season to have more experience in nets than Condon and Delmas.

      If Tokarski wins the backup job from Budaj out of the next camp then it would not be so bad to have Budaj in Hamilton. I think that having a guy like Budaj around would be of benefit to Condon.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    Thomas Vanek denies he had a significant injury which affected his performance in the playoffs, just the regular bumps and bruises that every player has to play through.

    He mentions that ‘struggled, then was moved with Patch and Davey, really found myself, put in position to do well, then was moved and struggled to find chemistry. This game is all about confidence and chemistry’. He specifically mentioned that he was working to find it again with ‘Lars and Danny.’

    He says he won’t have a preference about ‘the city’, just ‘go somewhere to win’. One factor will be the goalie, ‘Pricey is really good, one of the best’, he says with a big smile and chuckle.

    He answers that he loved the ‘market, wasn’t used to it, overall has nothing but positive things to say. Marc Bergevin really made me feel at home, ups and downs he was there for me, really good guy, has nothing but positive things to say’. Says it’s a place you want to be, especially in the playoffs, ‘we won Game 7 because of the building’.

    How does his family feel about the atmosphere, everything about Montréal. He answers that it was a big moment for his oldest son when attending games, he enjoyed it. He does mention that Minny is somewhere he went to school, lived and trained, and shrugs, noncommital.

    When asked about ‘strictly hockey’, mentions that he had ups and downs, but once he found his niche, chemistry, things went well. He did expect to go far in the series, didn’t know how good the team was, but knew about the goalie. Liked the mixed, older guys, good group. Thought he could make a difference, thought he was finding his game against the Rangers.

    Asked specifically about being taken off the Tomas Plekanec line during the playoffs, he says being moved is part of the game, wasn’t surprised, didn’t find the chemistry with Pleky that he was hoping for, that you need help and chemistry, you can’t do it by yourself.

    http://www.rds.ca/vid%C3%A9os/je-sais-que-j-aurais-pu-faire-une-diff%C3%A9rence-3.985406

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  44. JUST ME says:

    Sometimes you are looking for different styles of players to have a good mix of everything but i thought that Vanek did not fit in the Habs mold. I believe that he would have been successfull at the end of the day in MTL but this team needs something else and at the price he is asking,someone who can carry the team. I do not think he is that kind of guy although his stay here was short and sweet.

    I believe that the hiring of Vanek is the main reason why the guys felt they not only could get to the playoffs but also felt they could go deep. It was worth every penny…euh…nickel.

  45. boing007 says:

    Putting Vanek on the fourth line instead of allowing him to find his groove again with DD and Max was MT’s biggest blunder in the Rangers series. Tough Love isn’t always the route to follow with every player. Certainly not in the third round of the Stanley Cup. For that reason Vanek probably won’t sign with the Habs and MT doesn’t deserve an extension. They should have called Scott Mellanby in for another hug session.

    Richard R

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      Success in the playoffs comes from getting as many lines as possible to contribute. Therrien’s job wasn’t to get Vanek to skate his ass off; that was Vanek’s. Therrien’s job was to get the most out of his team, not to cater to the hurt feelings of one player.

  46. Chantal ‏@habsgirl4life · 8m
    #Habs Vanek: “I was put in a position to do well here and once I got moved (switched linemates) I struggled, couldn’t find chemistry.”

    And there you have it, he’s the type of player who if not given what he wants takes his ball and goes home.

    Shane Oliver
    @sholi2000
    http://www.sholi2000.com
    A Little fun during the Intermission
    Don’t Poke The Bear

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      In other words, it was Therrien’s fault that Vanek sucked. Riiiiiiiight…..

    • PrimeTime says:

      So we build Vanek as a potential player that can put us near the top, most agreed it was a good move by MB, we cheer him when he shows this to be true, but as soon as he slips we chastise him. Sounds about right!

    • boing007 says:

      And what will Max do if DD is no longer around?

      Richard R

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      I didn’t like Vanek’s effort but he should have gotten a chance back with DD and Max during the Rangers series when no-one was scoring. Gally could have helped another line get started as well.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      MT had about 10 games to try him back on the first line. I think he can get pretty stubborn. I am not complaining overall, but a whole lot of people on here wanted him to be given another try with Pax and DD.

    • Ron says:

      I think thats BS Shane. Listen too the comments his teamates said about him. They could have just said enough to get by the media instead most all have said they got a lift when came and would like too see him back. You make him sound like a spoiled kid. Your way off.

  47. DipsyDoodler says:

    One final meme I’d like to address: the Habs lacked the leadership to come back in game 6 against the Rangers.

    After the Bruins comeback in game 2 did we lack leadership?

    At 3-2 down in the series to the consensus cup favourite did we lack leadership?

    When we lost Carey Price and went down 2-0 in the series againt the Rangers did we lack leadership?

    Please.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • RockinRey says:

      It wasn’t really a meme . And it wasn’t so much leadership. It really amounted to key players not producing at the right time. They needed more from Vanek. Pleks. Patches, Gally, DD and Gio. Bottom line is they struggled. You expect these players to come through for you. That is how legends are born…..

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      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • boing007 says:

      Habs still need three or four above average players to round out the roster for next season.

      Richard R

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      Sometimes, we have to credit the other team. The Rags went into hyper mode after they got that goal. Up until then, I thought the 2nd period was pretty even, perhaps with the Habs having the edge.

  48. 21 AND WAITING says:

    This was a great run in the playoffs for MB, now he can sit back during the off season and figure out what moves he can make to get us to the 4th round.
    myself I think a couple of playoff type players that can score will do the trick. we don’t have too bad a team in place right now, whether it be luck or what ever making it to the 3rd round is not too shabby for a team that most said they wouldn’t make the playoffs.
    a great job by the coaching staff when you consider we were lacking at times scoring, not to worry MB will try his best to improve in that area.

  49. JohnInTruro says:

    Vanek says he wasn’t injured, but struggled with chemistry after being off of line with 67-51.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Wow.

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      Moving. Forward.

    • RockinRey says:

      He’s a dog! when they needed him most he was not there. There is an article on Hockey Buzz where the author states he just happened to go cold a the wrong time.

      Wrong. He just did not put the effort forth to win battles. That was the criticism of his game. Complete lack of effort. Losing very easy battle for the puck, no second effort to try and retrieve it. It was not that he went cold.

      He may be just a guy who scores every second game gets his 30-40 goals 65-80 points but never raises his game to super star level.

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      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • 21 AND WAITING says:

      Not buying that crap about Vaneks chemistry, he has other things on his mind, I think it’s called Money Chemistry and when he gets it, he’ll most likely become a Gomez, Hope MB doesn’t fall for it.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      I can get this a bit. First, he gets to play right wing, and then he gets to play with checkers. Sometimes people get flummoxed. Anyway, it’s on to other pastures for TV, but he did help us because we might not have made it to the playoffs without him.

    • Danno says:

      I sense he’s not telling us the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth – so help me god.

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  50. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

    Agreed with everyone on the strength of the Kings and Hawks. When either team is firing on all cylinders they’re almost unbeatable. Excellent offence, defence, goaltending and special teams. The only way the Rangers get a sniff at the Cup is if either team from the west doesn’t bring their A game.

    • PrimeTime says:

      I agree the Rangers won’t beat either team but it won’t be a slaughter as most here predict. Btw, every year, comments here reflect admiration of teams and players in the finals…..look it up. Suddenly fans don’t want to be built like Boston??? Oh oh!! The wind changed direction again. Lol. This place is pure “people watching” entertainment!!

  51. Old Bald Bird says:

    I don’t much like the guy, but if we take our blinders off, Damien Cox is right on. What does he say that’s so wrong? He says that this guarantees nothing and that we are still not in the same class as the Hawks or Kings. Who would argue? Sometimes, we get a little overly sensitive around here.

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      I think what Cox misses is that we’re in a much better position to NOT be like the Leafs or Sens.

    • JUST ME says:

      But nobody said we were ! It`s so useless and usual from Cox to do those comparisons just to plug the Leafs .

      I have heard or read no one that implied that we were at the western division`s level and even those who thought we were to make it to the final round were realistic about our chances.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I just see it as a reality check. Not that we need it, but he isn’t writing to us. Just don’t see the hugely negative reaction. That’s all. As I said, I am predisposed to dislike the guy, but I didn’t find this article upsetting in any way.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      The Leafs finished 12th We went to the finals. But we’re roughly the same.

      Right.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        The point that I take out of it is that one good year or run doesn’t guarantee anything for the next year. As you well know, a comparison doesn’t mean that one is saying things are identical, so I don’t mind the comparisons. I think whenever someone mentions the Leafs or Sens around here, you can hear the sounds of minds snapping shut.

        • JUST ME says:

          Well taken and articulate reply OBB but i fail to see where our mutual cores can compare. The Sens have good kids but the balance of the team is crooked and it does not take a lot to be bumped out of the race but as for the Leafs ? Not much promissing kids, lots of dinosaurs,bad deals ,need to be rebuilt from the bottom up.

          • Old Bald Bird says:

            I know that a lot of posters here weren’t fooled by the Sens, but I was and so were a lot of people. They were pretty impressive last year through all of those injuries, and I thought with Ryan here and Karlson for a full year … well, I was wrong. But then again, maybe it was just a bad year and maybe we just had a very good one.

          • JUST ME says:

            The whole Alfie thing was treated wrong and they removed the heart of the team and let way too much experience go and relied on too many youngsters on D with a questionnable choice of captain . May those be 3 lessons for the Habs…

  52. Welks says:

    I would like to see Emelin get a shot playing on the left side with Subban. He does not look comfortable on the right.

  53. JUST ME says:

    First day of june tomorrow.

    Day two of the after season and now we are at the stage where the Leafs were that close to the cup ? Come on !

    What is that mentality of you should not rejoyce too fast boy because so and so is coming eventually ? We were way better. Got to where we were totally legitimately and have a core of young players that makes the envy of most experts.
    What about the Leaf`s core ? 47 fricking years and counting…

  54. PK says:

    The difference between the Leafs/Sens/Habs?

    I think that Habs have an advantage with Marc Bergevin at the helm.
    MB probably knows how to create a winning team with all his experience in Chi-Town.

    Habs still have a way to go before they are considered an elite team. Hopefully, MB can push the buttons better than the Leafs and Sens’ front office.

    Bruins have a good manager in Chiarelli but I am not sure that the rest of the Eastern teams match up in terms of the Front Office.

    There are several teams out there that are “built for the playoffs”
    but don’t quite get it done …. Sharks/Blues.

    Other teams should learn from those models. What are they doing right? Why can’t those two get to the next level?

    >>>>> Les Canadiens sont là

  55. PrimeTime says:

    Gee I hope Bergevin follows HIO and makes notes from the comments here of how to improve this team. Maybe the fans can also provide instruction how to trade our perceived weaker players for teams prospects at key positions?? How could any team reject Pleks and Gionta for a big young fast C who has great hands?? Markov and George’s for a McDonaugh type of player?? Wow, we’re offering bargains never seen before!!! When do the trade lines open??

  56. 21 AND WAITING says:

    Galchenyuk may become a decent center he’s only young but I wouldn’t bet the Bank on it he’ll become a true #1 center, I’ll wait and see how this pans out. a couple of good wingers and he might be what the DR. ordered. wait and see for me.

  57. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Garbage article by Damian Cox wow.

    • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

      It sure comes across as a bitter, jealous toss-some-water-on-the-ther-guy’s-fire sort of article.

      Unlike his beloved Leafs or the Senators, the Habs are in a good situation to improve from the experience of this playoff run. The cap is going up. Old money will come off the books. Marc Bergevin had almost three rounds of hockey to determine which players on the squad have the ability to ‘bring it’ when it really counts, and which have played their final game for the Canadiens.

  58. icemachine says:

    So Damien has his Leaf Blinders on tight – comparing the Habs and Sens with the Leafs – as if teams that qualify for playoffs with regularity are in the same boat as the Loafs who missed 8 of the last 9 post seasons

    http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/2014/05/30/nhl_habs_playoff_run_was_entertaining_but_lets_keep_it_in_perspective_cox.html

    “I can’t wait for the crowd, the noise, the energy in the building. I can’t wait to take that all away from them.”

    • RockinRey says:

      Sorry bud but I didn’t entirely disagree with him. This year only means some development for the young guys but does not guaranteee a linear trajectory.

      In some ways its seems like a wasted year. The big players in the East had fallen. Next year is another year the Habs have to go through a gruelling year against Boston to come out of the East. Fun ride yes but I think DAmien was only trying to give perspective. I can’t stand the Leafs and they have cap contstraints but teams can retool faster now. Habs have to stay the course and keep accumulating assets. It may take another 3 yrs to get back to where they are. As we see with some of the guys that are expendable you have to have really good roll players. if you drill down a little deeper the Habs were very fortunate to get past the Bruins and in the end of the series and for the better part of the Rangers series key players had not contributed.

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      ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
      —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “But, as the conference final showed, they’re one Carey Price injury away from being ordinary.”

      Hmm… not quite Damien.

      Without Price we went toe to toe with the Eastern conference champions.

      And what team can afford to lose their starting goalie? LA? Chicago? Boston? New York?

      Aren’t the Rangers also one Henrik Lundqvist injury away from being ordinary?

      Ah… what’s the point?

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • Danno says:

        I’m convinced Price would have stolen us a game that the Toker couldn’t. Then we’d be watching game seven tonight at the Bell Centre.

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        • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

          Agreed. Game 2 comes to mind. In fact with Price I doubt that the series goes past 6.

        • RockinRey says:

          Zero evidence to support that Danno. Even the game in which Toker gave up 4 goals …. we have seen Price do the same with regularity. How many times do you hear pundits on HNIC or have I heard on the FAN or TSN radio some talking head say you will never beat Price again for 4 goals . Is it good at bouncing back. Absolutely! But really there is no reason to believe Price would have stollen anything . Toker played well enough to win. 18 shots was just not enough pressure.

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          ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
          —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

          • Chuck Kept Calm and Carey'd On ® says:

            Following your logic, Price is not a difference-maker in goal. Perhaps than we should start Tokarski for 65 games next year and trade Price.

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            There’s reasons to believe we’d have been a better team with Price.

            Pretty sound ones.

            —–
            Moving. Forward.

          • Danno says:

            His play-making skills are light years ahead of Toker and could have made a huge difference in my opinion.

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        • boing007 says:

          Tokarski coming in to replace Price necessitated a complete restructuring of the team with little time to make it happen.

          Richard R

          • RockinRey says:

            Necessitated total restructuring of team? Get real!

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            —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

        • sprague cleghorn says:

          The winning goal in Game 6 came as a result of a shoot-in, the sort that Price handles easily many times a game. That puck would have been out before the Rangers ever trapped the Habs like they did. This happened time and time again throughout the series. Dumps that aren’t a problem for Price became problems. In addition, the Habs simply play differently without Carey behind them.

          … ‘ow could we forget that?

      • RockinRey says:

        Toker came in and played well but nobody expected it. It was a hunch , and educated guess. Nobody could have predicted that.

        The Point is dipsy is he is saying temper the enthusiasm. Just as everyone in Leaf land thought they were a conference favorite after they took the Bruins to 7 it was an aberration.

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        ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
        —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      asterisk beside the 1 playoff qualifying year.
      It was a 48 game schedule, thus no time for the typical season ending fall off the ledge choke session.

    • PrimeTime says:

      The Leafs lost their best player to injury and were 1 losing streak from making the playoffs. Don’t get too high on the Habs playoff run. Yes they are built better and have more depth than the Sens and Leafs but the road to winning East is very tight.

  59. DipsyDoodler says:

    To those of you who think we need to trade a centre to make room for Galchenyuk, consider this.

    The Kings’ 4 centres during the playoffs are:

    1. Anze Kopitar
    2. Jeff Carter
    3. Jarett Stoll
    4. Mike Richards

    Two offensive and two more defensive centres. But what they don’t have is a typical “4th liner” centre.

    One of the reasons we ran out of gas at the end is we essentially played three attacking lines. Our centres were:

    1. Plekanec
    2. Desharnais
    3. Eller
    4. Briere

    With Briere seeing about half the ice time of the other three.

    So if you trade Plekanec, DD or Eller you’re committing to White or Briere as your 4th line centre.

    Do you think Ryan White is as good as Mike Richards?

    So there is nothing wrong with us going with these four centres next year:

    1. Galchenyuk
    2. Plekanec
    3. Desharnais
    4. Eller

    Again if you don’t think Eller is a “4th liner” compare him to Stoll or Richards.

    The key to success is having four good lines that can pressure the opposition. In this situation you don’t have a “4th line”.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  60. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Why keep Desharnais over Plekanec?

    Makes 0 sense for me anyway.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I wouldn’t trade either one.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • RockinRey says:

        What are the sound reasons that they would have beat the Rangers with Price. Love to hear them. He has a less than 500 record in the playoffs and while he is widely regarded as a Super Star goalie he has no Cup to back it up. This was just another year he ultimately did not get them to the promised land.

        Toker gave them what they needed. The defense was weak and the offense was absent save for game 5 blowout.

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        ‘This organization going forward must set its sights on competing for the game’s ultimate prize every season — and no lesser standard should be accepted.’
        —Geoff Molson, Canadiens owner and president

    • Paz says:

      Desharnais is a package with a proven 39 goals scorer, 4th best in the league. Desharnais stays, and he stays next to Max for as long as Max keeps scoring.
      Plekanec is older and more costly to the Cap and will fetch a much better return on the trade market.
      If we could get a top notch winger like David Perron I trade Plekanec. But Desharnais does not get you David Perron.

  61. adamkennelly says:

    after watching the LA-Chi game last night – it became painfully more obvious that Habs are not quite there yet.

    Hawks have 4 players better than our best player on most nights and a supporting cast noticeably bigger, stronger and sharper.

    Future is bright – but beating the Hawks or Kings in a 7 game series – next to impossible.

    Rangers are going to get slaughtered.

    • Paz says:

      Hockey is a funny game with strange bounces, goal posts, and bad refs.
      Anything can happen.
      Agree though, on paper, Kings and Hawks are way stronger.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I hope the Rangers get slaughtered but I’m not so sure. Consider:

      Quick and Crawford have the ability to play very well, but they haven’t been consistent.

      The Western team will be tired – the Rags are resting.

      St.Louis’ mom.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Rangers will not get “slaughtered”.

      • adamkennelly says:

        If the team from the West play their best game and the Rangers play their best game – Rangers get slaughtered. Eyes open people – we are talking about much better top end talent and much deeper depth. Of course anything is possible but unlikely. Habs hung with the Rangers playing fairly bad hockey.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      ….and GM Bergevin saw how all of it was done in his Chicago time and contributed.

      2005-2008 Pro Scout for the Hawks
      2008-2009 Behind the Hawks bench as assistant
      2009-2011 Director of Player Personnel
      2011-2012 Assistant General Manager

  62. 21 AND WAITING says:

    we need consistant scores like a Kane or a toews unlike some we have right now, yes we have Guys that can score 20-30 goals a year but sometimes they go 7-10 games without a goal, or they’ll score 2-Goals in one game and that’s it the rest of the playoffs that’s no good maybe good for that one game, the series is over before they get another we need some players that can score at least 2-3 goals each series instead of depending on 2-3 players to carry the team, I believe that was a major reason we couldn’t beat the Rangers, more scoring spread out throughout the team and we would be moving on to the finals. Gotta have steady contributions from 1st, 2nd and 3rd line, 4th line chip in now and than we would have a excellent chance at winning a cup.

  63. montreal ace says:

    I hope that MB takes a good look at the coaching with the Bulldogs, as I have not seen the improvement, with certain players I expected. I thought it took quite awhile for him to identify, Tokarski as his num 1 goalie, and players don’t seem motivated with him. It made no sense that our Swedes went home, and how it it that LL has not improved, when he looked ok with the Habs a few years ago.

  64. Danno says:

    “Andrei Markov, Francis Bouillon, Douglas Murray, and Mike Weaver need new contracts”

    Who will stay and who will go from among the Habs defence men?

    The Blueliners

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  65. Maritime Ronn says:

    Having been a fan of Josh Gorges warrior style and leadership in the past, it has become quite clear that his days as a Top pairing – or even Top 4 D man, are over.

    A top 4 Dman on a legitimate Cup contender has to be either a strong offensive force, or a big strong man with at least some offensive acumen. ( The Doughty-Weber combos are rare)

    Unfortunately, Gorges possesses none of those, and his skating has gone south.
    To remain a Hab – or for the Habs to move forward, Gorges must drop to a 3rd pairing in Even Strength, yet could still play 1st Unit PK minutes.

    Subban is a terrific player with still more upside, yet that will never be realised until he has a solid partner as do other Top Dmen such as Keith (Seabrook) Doughty (Muzzin) Chara (Boychuk) Pietrangelo (Bouwmeester) Mcdonagh (Girardi)

    While UFA Dmen are hard to come by and usually overpaid – and names such as Quincey, Orpik and Niskanen will be discussed, the Habs may have Subban’s partner right under their nose.

    I was fortunate to see Game 5 in the very low seats and watched Nathan Beaulieu closely.
    This youngster has a swagger and cockiness about him and showed no fear in the high pressure of playoffs.
    He ‘wanted’ the puck and it was interesting to note that the Rangers were uncomfortable when he was on the ice.
    His skating is superb and he has some meaness in him.

    Will there be some errors to come playing against the Top 6 of other teams? Of course there will be, yet here’s betting Beaulieu will be a Top 20 Dman in the NHL in a few years.

    Sometimes a team needs to take a step back to end up moving forward.

    • Paz says:

      I put Beaulieu in our top 4 next year 100%. He is a dominant skater even at the NHL level, he is big, and like you say he has a nasty edge to him. I watched him in Junior and he is quickly becoming that dman that I saw there.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        paz

        The other thing about Beaulieu is that he can easily take over Markov’s PP time.
        No doubt Markov is smart, yet no team fears his leg speed and Beaulieu has a better shot.

        One time when Beaulieu was on the PP, he crossed center ice-dumped the puck in, and was first to retrieve it with almost no one around. He blew by the D. That’s scary speed.

        • CJ says:

          Beaulieu is raw, but oozes talent. I’d have either Nate or Tinordi with PK full time next year.

          • Maritime Ronn says:

            CJ
            What was most impressive was his swagger and confidence in that situation. He kept things simple, yet had no fear to make a calculated pinch or move into the O zone.

        • Paz says:

          I saw that play Ron, showed it to my son.
          Last guy I saw who skated like that was Scott Niedermayer, but he was not 6’2 with a nasty streak.
          Coffey also had that unbelievable stride.

    • CH Marshall says:

      very interesting thoughts re Beaulieu.. especially the Rangers being uncomfortable.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        CHM

        That’s the beauty of seeing it live and not having to watch what the camera shows.
        The same goes for Subban and his circling backwards.
        The camera rarely shows that was caused by a line change or players trying to get into positions for a practiced set play.

  66. fastfreddy says:

    One yr. @ 4mil and he’s your 5-6 Dman, some PK and some PP.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  67. Ian Cobb says:

    Responce

    Ya! Spats is a great fella.
    I taught him everything he knows!

  68. fastfreddy says:

    I would only bring back Markov for 1 yr. 4mil. tops. Nothing more.
    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  69. CHicoHab says:

    Kane is a UFA after 2014/2015. Don’t think he’ll be getting 6.5 at that time.

  70. CHicoHab says:

    We never really got the exact injury of Prices leg, knee etc?
    What if this becomes an ongoing injury from time to time? What if now a Price is damaged goods? Wasn’t this like the third time this year he has gone down with that type of injury? Is this going to keep happening? Any insight please.

  71. Ton says:

    woh nobody posting about Patrick Kane….what a player…what an impact player……….what a playoff performer………..he’s getting 6.5 and PK wants 8/10/14 million whatever the number is!!!!

  72. habstrinifan says:

    Reading the posts especially re Hickey’s info it seems some decisions are basically already made or ‘made for them’ as far as the HABS are concerned.

    It would weak GM’ing to have Gionta back. We have enough possibilities in our system to fill that role… starting with Bournival. Be fore you say no check out Bournival’s Memorial Cup role.

    Hickey says Markov is asking 3 yrs… so he’s gone.

    Long term would rather pay big bucks for the other player in the Buffalo/Islander trade than Vanek.

  73. durocher says:

    UFA’s to re-sign: Weaver, Markov (if he can accept a two-year deal; if he insists on a three-year deal, he’s gone)
    UFA’s who should not be re-signed: Vanek, Gio, Cube, Murray, Parros
    Players under contract who should be traded: Moen, Budaj
    Players under contract who we should consider trading: Pleks
    RFA’s who should be re-signed: PK, Eller, Weise
    RFA’s who should not be re-signed: White
    Younger players who should make the team: Beaulieu, Tinordi, Dumont
    Needs: top six RW, part-time fighter

  74. Paz says:

    How about Plekanec for David Perron?

    Perron is a massive talent.


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