Habs visit dying Ducks

Koivu

Pacioretty doesn’t like suspension and Leblanc is ready for debut

Kirk Muller and Eric Staal

The Canadiens begin a three-games-in-four-nights West Coast swing on Wednesday in Anaheim, where the 15th place Ducks (6-13-4, 12 points south of a playoff spot) are splashing in the water but not going anywhere.

With only one win in the month of November, only two wins in their last 18 (plus four points for regulation ties — six points of a possible 36), it’s safe to say this team is in free fall.

Want more? They average 2.13 goals a game, 29th in the league. They allow an average of 3.17 goals a game, 26th in the league. Their goal differential is -26, tied with the Islanders for worst in the NHL. In these last 18 games, they’ve scored two goals or fewer 12 times, allowed four or more goals nine times, and given up 24 goals in the past five games alone.

And they don’t display much resiliency: In the 12 games where they have given up the first goal and trailed at the end of the first period, they have yet to come back and win, the only team in the league to not come back at least once when surrendering the first goal or trailing after one period.

It’s a mess.

Observers seems shocked at all this, given the talent on the roster and the esteem in which coach Randy Carlyle is held and there is always the expectation the Ducks could break out of it at any time and start to turn things around.

There are rumours, however, that big changes are afoot if they can’t, rumors that could slap the Ducks to attention.

Unable to pull his team out of its nosedive, Carlyle is thought to be not far from joining Davis Payne, Bruce Boudreau and Paul Maurice in the Dead Coaches Society, despite the contract extension he got in the offseason. Sniper Bobby Ryan is supposedly on the trading block. Both those moves are supposedly being considered to shake up the team, although just which direction GM Bob Murray will go is unknown. And, most likely, nothing may happen by game time on Wednesday.

Anaheim’s problems start in goal, where Jonas Hiller, who had Tim Thomas-like numbers in the first half of last season, could be suffering the rusty after-effects of missing half of last season with vertigo. He has allowed fewer than three goals only once in his last nine starts and his season numbers have soared — a 3.22 GAA and .897 PCT. He’s still getting the bulk of the starts, Carlyle perhaps hoping he’ll play his way back into shape.

Backup Dan Ellis has three starts and three relief appearances, but he’s now injured and ex-Oiler Jeff Deslauriers has been recalled to back up Hiller.

The defence corps has been hampered by the injury to power play QB Lubomir Visnovsky. The Ducks haven’t won since he broke his finger on Nov. 11, the date of their last victory, although — truth be told — he hadn’t recorded a point in his previous eight games or that night either. Visnovsky had 18 goals and 68 points last season, but just four points in 15 games this season.

There are some big minus stats on the blue line: Cam Fowler is minus-13 (tied for team-worst with Ryan Getzlaf) even though he’s got 12 points to lead all defencemen; Tony Lydman is minus-11 — he was plus-32 last year; Francois Beauchemin is minus-7. ‘

But it’s up front where the problems are most obvious. Not with ageless future Hall of Famer Teemu Selanne, who is as effective as ever; not really with Hart Trophy winner Corey Perry, a 50-goal scorer last year, who has 10 now which puts him on pace for a decent 35 (more in line with his career average). But captain Getzlaf is struggling mightily, with only four goals and 12 assists to go along with the massive minus, not playing well either with or without the puck.

Ryan, a 34 goal, 71 point scorer last season, has only seven goals and 11 points, which projects to about half his previous year’s total. He’s been demoted to third line duty by Carlyle.

Former Habs captain Saku Koivu is heating up a bit with five points in his last five games. But on the season, he has only totaled four goals and 11 points. Speedy linemate Andrew Cogliano also has five in his last five, but only had four points before that.

Strangely, the Ducks’ special teams have not flopped. Their power play is mid-pack, clicking 16.3 percent of the time, better than the Canadiens’ 12.8 percent. Their penalty kill ranks eighth, 85.6 percent, not terribly far behind the Habs second ranked penalty kill at 90.6.

But five-on-five, Anaheim has scored only 34 goals and surrendered 51, both 27th in the league.

Here’s how the Ducks lined up practice on Tuesday, with Ryan demoted to the third line.

Matt Beleskey, Ryan Getzlaf, Corey Perry
Andrew Cogliano, Saku Koivu, Teemu Selanne
Bobby Ryan, Ben Maxwell, Niklas Hagman
Andrew Gordon, Maxime Macenauer, Devante Smith-Pelly

Toni Lydman, Cam Fowler
Francois Beauchemin, Luca Sbisa
Sheldon Brookbank, Nate Guenin

Jonas Hiller
Jeff Deslauriers

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  2. --Habs-- says:

    Honestly if I were Gomez I’d retire and save myself the embarrassment and the faith the Habs put in me.

  3. Habstar says:

    Why keep Cammelleri? He fans on passes, causes terrible turn arounds and plays like a Sissy with a capital S. Were paying this punk 6 million bucks! Then we have the other bum Castro Gomez who uses his mouth betterthan he uses his stick. The other goof that I’d like to see packing is AK 46 do I need to say why? Get rid of these bums and we will free up a shitload of money and use it wisely for upcoming UFC’S and give our younger players more ice time. I so tired of fans and media who keep making excuses for their poor hockey passion but like the paycheck they keep recieving.Listen to how silly these excuses are I’ve heard that their injured or that their rusty or that their confidence is low you know I realy think that they should be playing in the womes league with lipstick and purses under their armpit. PG please bring in some real men!!!!

  4. The Juice says:

    Koivu for Gomez straight up. Gomez’s problems started when he stole Captain K’s number anyways…

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    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  5. Frank2468 says:

    Just finished watching the Score and according to them Markov is out due to his knee and Budaj is getting the call tonight.

    The way the score mentioned Markov looks like another set back, if so I’m really get tired of it all. Don’t get me wrong I wish Markov came back but if he’s having real problems with his knee maybe it’s time to move on. So if Markov’s career is finished ala Orr and we get rid of Gomez that’s a wop-ping 14 million cap space available.

    • The Cat says:

      At his best, Markov wasnt a game changer. Even if everything were to go perfectly, he might never get back to where he was. But fans hope he’ll be the answer to the PP. Personally, I think its the thing habs hockey have to move away from. Think about it: the team says its main hope to win is to score when the other team has LESS players on the ice. Whats wrong about making a commitment to being better 5on5 and not be dependent on the PP and ‘step and a half’ Markov?

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  6. Psycho29 says:

    Probably the lowest, classless thing I have read on this site.
    I am no fan of Gomez but I wouldn’t wish that on anyone:

    LA Loyalist says:
    November 30, 2011 at 13:48
    The only upside would be if after the Sharks game Danny Heatley offers to drive Gomez to the airport.

    • coutNY says:

      hmm why would Heatley even be at the Sharks game… doesn’t even play for them anymore. Still in bad taste with the insinuation.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Boy, some of you guys are happy to dish the insults but when someone hands you a little change you sure don’t like it.

      Bunch of hypocrites. If that’s the lowest thing ever said on this site I should get a trophy at the next summit.

      It was a joke. Humour. Dark. Go watch some Disney or Spielberg fluff if you can’t handle it.

      • Jocko says:

        It was in poor taste. I am sure you could admit that. As well, with Heatley in Minnesota, well, looks like someone is not up on all the comings and goings in the NHL.

        I don’t want to see Maurice tonight, I want to see The Rocket!

      • The Cat says:

        I didnt mind it, I like it when posts stick out. I certainly prefer it to members who think theyre regaling us with posts about their suggested ******* line combos/suggested trades ad nauseum

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • OneTimer says:

        I think I would have minded less if LA wasn’t such a douche all the time.

      • montreal ace says:

        LA it was clever and I can not believe anyone would think you were serious. I enjoy your posts especially now that the Habs are in California, and its also funny that you will wee Louis before anyone in Montreal.

  7. axxerd says:

    Seeing Koivu with that jersey on still bothers me a little…

    —-
    Newfoundland’s biggest Habs fan. Hands down.

  8. A. Berke says:

    Haven’t posted in a while but seeing those numbers for the ducks, IMHO our Gomez would look good, neigh great in a ducks uniform. They can give us a second round pick in return (not feeling greedy) ;)

    Ali B.

  9. bleedhabs81 says:

    I wouldn’t say Bobby Ryan is untouchable… it just someone will need to address what the ducks need. Maybe a great goalie, maybe a stud defenceman, definitely first round picks… probably a combination which includes those and a secondary scorer…

    Everyone has a Price, but I imagine the going Price for Ryan is more than we would want to pay….

    Note: I realize that sentence is not grammatically correct.

    • slychard says:

      The price wold be Price and that’s not worth the price.

      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        No way. U could send the Ducks Desharnais, Gorges and a 1st round pick and they’d bite for sure.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          uhhh, really? A joke, sarcasm…

          No effin way they would do that deal. Why Gorges? What is he going to give them… a steady stay at home D, ya, ok maybe they would have some interest in that. They would need more though

          DD, a small playmaking center… last I checked they had Koivu for that (who is tougher on the puck).

          A 1st is a given.

          Honestly, I see Price or Subban as one of their terms. I can’t see anyone else of value to them. Cammy??? maybe if packaged with a decent young scorer (think Max)… but I think the asking Price is still higher than that.

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I heard they were looking for a top 4 defenseman and a 2/3 line center….I think those players are just that.

  10. Neutral says:

    up front we have 5 so called talented players – if you see more maybe you could explain why we are in 12th place in the eastern conference – oh I know – maybe it’s because we have an inexperience “D” and have to deal with injuries….

  11. LA Loyalist says:

    With respect to Carlyle’s and Martin’s respective asses being on the line, McPhee (Washington GM) made an interesting and I think insightful point when sacking Bruce Boudreau:

    “Imagine having the same high school teacher for 4 years…”

    We’ve totally painted ourselves into a corner by keeping Martin past his best before date. Now Boucher and Muller are off the market, we have the language issue for a coach…

    … this year is starting to look like a write-off unless our expensive players start playing like expensive players.

  12. Gerry H says:

    Ah, heh, well put, Ian…

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Thanks, I thought I would tone down the rhetoric on the coaching. I am beating a dead horse it seems according to some folks on here.

      Just frustrated with the way this season has gone so far. I had picked this club to battle for 1st place in our division. When we play well, we can beat anyone in this league. The inconsistency in both our club and Shanahan is taking its tole on this old fart!

  13. Gerry H says:

    This team does not need a player trade. If the current coaching staff can’t get results, that’s the change that needs to be made.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I don’t know about that man. I think Martin gets the max out of this roster…

      • Steeltown Hab says:

        The current roster can do a lot more. PK on the pt would be a huge upgrade from pleks on the powerplay, not that PK is having a good yr. Martin needs to give eller more opportunities instead of trying everythign to get Gomez going. Gomez is a good skater, a good team guy, but is literally a cancer on the ice, set up passes to no one, not to mention he can’t score goals.

        • savethepuck says:

          Since PK has been on the point with Marky on the first PP unit the last few practices and Martin said a week or 2 ago that Gomez would have a hard time unseating Plex or DD from the top 2 center positions, I think the coach is doing what you want.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

      • LA Loyalist says:

        One of my condemnations of Martin is the inconsistency. A good team plays it’s own game, they tweak to an opponent but they don’t go up and down like an elevator. I really don’t think Martin prepares them well for each opponent.

        If it is our bad luck that Ducks come out flying tonight and Hiller is on his game, it could get ugly, because neither Kings nor Sharks are going to be any walk in the park.

        • J_P says:

          We could easily lose all three games, but than again, the habs are probably the most unpredictable team in the NHL, which is why i never take them on a parlay.

          Also hard to know what to expect from western teams because the west is absolutely bonkers. 5 points separate the first place and eleventh place teams in the west.

  14. Ian Cobb says:

    No need to trade anyone!

    We have plenty of quality players to get the job done and have a great run in the play offs.
    Our problem is getting them out of bed, at the same time, from the Montreal General.

  15. habsfan0 says:

    If Habs drop all 3 games in California, does that mean JM is toast? Or just the Habs’ season?

    • I’d hope JM would be toast but who knows.

      http://www.puckbandits.com

    • shiram says:

      Why not both?

      Randy for HC!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      If we drop all 3 California games it is not going to be pretty.

      Neither JM nor PG will be fired until after the season, unfortunately.

      The only upside would be if after the Sharks game Danny Heatley offers to drive Gomez to the airport.

      • ffenliv says:

        As much as I wanted to laugh at a Gomez joke, and even though it has been many years now, that still seems pretty tasteless. I think because there were no after-effects for Heatley, so the joke is really on the poor dead fellow.

      • slychard says:

        If they drop all three Cali games it’ll be because you, my San Diego friend and his friend (LA, Anaheim) will show up and jinx them…don’t do it guys, it’ll break your hearts!

        +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • LA Loyalist says:

          Well, i can only attend tonight’s game, unfortunately because my kid’s game Saturday is at the same time. Really a drag, there are quite a few people who do all three. (I’ve never been to a game in San Jose, it’s about a 5-6 hour drive and not a nice one).

          I’m wearing my Habs Koivu jersey, and my kid is wearing his signed Ducks Koivu jersey. It will be fun and I hope a great game.

          • slychard says:

            I’ll have a thought for you and my friends when they score. ;-) Have fun, regardless.

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            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • citizenSanto says:

            Be sure to give that Jersey a good wash. It must stink to high heaven given the fact that you’ve been wiping your arse with it for the past few years.

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            — Augustine of Hippo

          • LA Loyalist says:

            Yeah, Citizen Santo. You’re pretty brave on the internet. I bet you’d turtle and cry if I came near you on the ice.

          • citizenSanto says:

            I’d cry and turtle because of the smelly fumes coming off of your crap stained Habs jersey. no other reason tough guy.

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            Hope has two beautiful daughters. Their names are anger and courage; anger at the way things are, and courage to see that they do not remain the way they are.
            — Augustine of Hippo

      • G-Man says:

        Kind of tough for him to do that from Minnesota.

      • likehoy says:

        what’s heatley doing in Cali?

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          fixing a leaking faucet in his apartment which he is renting out because he now lives in Minnesota, I imagine.

          I told him to sell it, but he said the market was too weak and that he thought it better to rent it out.

    • savethepuck says:

      I remember a similar question when we were 1-5-2 and we had Philly and then Boston twice in 4 nights. I forget how that turned out.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  16. zaq007 says:

    Anaheim Receives:
    Gomez
    Cammy
    Weber + (CampoliIf they want him)
    1st (2012) and 2nd rounder (2013)

    Montreal Receives:
    Ryan
    Koivu
    3rd round (2012)

    Hey a guy can dream right :P, I just miss koivu :(

    • DearyLeary says:

      Anaheim won’t trade Ryan. People are so freaking ridiculous.

      • zaq007 says:

        In no way do I think this is possible…I thought that was obvious o.0 guess not

      • Mattyleg says:

        Are you kidding?
        He’s gone!
        People on the internet say so!
        We can get him for all the players we are dissatisfied with at the moment!
        And if those players turn out to do well, we can blame the GM for making such a terrible trade!
        Despite the fact that we were the ones screeching about it!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • vivsterjuve88 says:

        According to a crazy amount of sources as ESPN, TSN, CBC, on and on, they’re entertaining trades, BUT it’s an effort to save salary on a tanking season. I for one (for many probably) think trading bobby ryan is one of the dumbest ways to cut salary, but that’s what’s being said…
        so to this trade offer, a definite no since anaheim takes on an extra 6.7ish million… actually, it would be impossible for the ducks to take on that amt of salary for cap reasons!
        but for the record i don’t think finances would be the only thing stopping anaheim from pulling the trigger on this one

    • CanadienBoy says:

      anybodys older then PLAK they can have minus Markov

    • Psycho29 says:

      I still remember Milbury claiming he was going to take Lafleur’s head off in the (1979?) playoffs.
      How did that turn out Mike?????

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Except that in this case Milbury is right. Who could disagree with these statements:

      “Any time Dale Hunter is in the game, you know you’re going to see cheap shots,” Milbury said during the 1990 playoffs, when he coached the Bruins.”

      “Later in that series, he said Hunter had been “a nonfactor in the series besides cheap shots,” and that “I wouldn’t have him on my team if he was the last guy available; if he was the only guy available.”

      • G-Man says:

        1020 points and 3563PIM.
        Now, that’s sand, and scoring.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        Can’t argue that Dale Hunter wasn’t a cheapshot artist, but to say Milbury wouldn’t have him on his team if he was the last guy available is quite disagreeable.

        Hunter has 12 points in 15 playoffs game that year. Regardless if they got swept by the Bruins in the conference finals, it is patented hyperbole for Milbury to say he wouldn’t want Hunter at all.

        Hard to believe a coach who’s famous for jumping into the stands and beating a fan with his own shoe, as player, would be so disgusted with a player like Dale Hunter.

  17. 24 Cups says:

    A quick thought about Iginla and any possible trade.

    He turns 35 on August 1, 2012. His contract is up the summer of ’13 with a cap hit of 7M. I seriously doubt he will re-sign for less than that amount. He’ll also want some kind of term, either two or three years.

    Assuming the +35 rule is still part of the new CBA, it would mean that the team that trades for him is on the hook for the entire contract amount. No buyouts, no minors, move to Europe or retirement. I’m not sure how wise that is for a player who has a ton of mile son his NHL chassis.

    Speculation from Anaheim (see rumours above) is that if they did trade Ryan, it would be for a young Dman, plus a young forward as well as a 1st rounder. This is fair value considering Ryan’s talent and age.

    In terms of Montreal, the young defenseman would be Subban. They could then throw in a lesser player up front. As for a young, quality forward, there really is only MaxPac. If he was part of the deal, then the Habs would be looking at lesser lights on the D (Diaz, Weber, Emelin). Also keep in mind that Ryan is an American, he may not be that keen on heading to Canada.

    I just can’t see the Habs getting involved in either one of these blockbuster deals. It’s addition by subtraction in my eyes.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      Cammy ,Weber and 1 rounder

    • TomNickle says:

      That asking price is beyond unrealistic. And no General Manager would ask for that kind of return unless we’re talking about a handful of NHL players. Bobby Ryan isn’t one of those players. It would be like Gauthier demanding Turris, Ekman-Larsson and a 1st round pick for Gomez. Not realistic.

      Anaheim has no leverage in trade negotiations right now. Not with anyone. If they start selling. It will be for prospects and picks, not lateral moves.

      A realistic asking price if they’re speaking with Gauthier would be Tinordi, Eller or Desharnais and a 2nd or 3rd.

      These pipe dreams I keep seeing of Leblanc, Tinordi and a 1st are ridiculous. That’s 3 first round picks for 1. Insane. Milbury type stuff.

      Look at Chris Stewart/Erik Johnson trade from last year. Two problems get moved, close to fair value.

      So if we really want to dissect this and come up with something realistic. Tinordi and Eller for Ryan and a 2nd would fit quite nicely.

      • CanadienBoy says:

        I keep both Tinordi and Eller part of the future Cammy and Weber not

      • LA Loyalist says:

        I read your post and then read the name and just sighed.

        You are the one who is delusional.

        Ryan has scored 30 goals 3 years straight and only costs $5.1

        Eller is potential, but so far has done piddle. Tinordi is a couple of years out and won’t help Ducks now. They’ve got excellent offensive defensemen, but one of them is very young (Fowler) and Visnovski is hurt.

        Cammi, Weber and our first is much closer to what it would take. That said, I don’t think they would even talk to us unless we were prepared to offer MaxPax, Weber, and Cammi. There are lots of other teams who will want Ryan, including the Leafs who can dangle Schenn.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        That’s why a reasonable trade for both sides would involve Jeff Carter for Bobby Ryan, with spare parts to be filled in.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Hey Tom – Don’t shoot the messenger – I’m just quoting Stu Hackel’s article!

        Eller may or may not be a really good player. DD is an offensive sparkplug, but is limited by his size. Tinordi is a late 1st round pick who has been slow to develop. If Anaheim trades Ryan, they will have to get somebody coming the other way who can step right in and perform. Anaheim is making this deal so both the GM and coach can hold onto their jobs. It’s not about building for the future. Hell, Ryan is the future!

        Nobody is trading a guy like Ryan for a Cammalleri or a Gionta. As well, I seriously question the trade value of Weber.

        As for Stewart/Johnson, I think you have to be fair and state that Shattenkirk is a pretty decent player. It was far from being a one for one deal.

      • Ozmodiar says:

        So Tom…

        Realistic = Tinordi, Eller, 2nd
        Ridiculous/Insane = Tinordi, Leblanc, 1st

        How do you go from realistic to insane by changing a 2nd to a 1st, essentially?

        I think one of the above is the likely asking price. Perhaps tweaked to – Tinordi, Eller, 1st.

        • TomNickle says:

          Tinordi, Eller and a 1st is three first round picks for one. Insane.

          1st round picks are, the majority of the time, much more valuable than seconds. That’s why they come first in numerical order. And they are the foundation with which successful teams are built.

        • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

          Actually, Tom said Tinordi and Eller for Ryan and a 2nd, so he never suggested a Tinordi, Eller and a 2nd deal.

    • mrhabby says:

      i hope gauthier does not even get involved. christ. can the team just start building from within and not give away any of our top prospects.

  18. SmartDog says:

    Iginla to the Habs? Jeez I hope not. We’d overpay for him which means we’d lose some of our assets now; we’d also lose part of our future and we STILL wouldn’t be a cup contender. For what? To pick up ANOTHER aging forward? Dudes’ give your heads a shake.

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  19. Neutral says:

    Here’s three reason’s why we don’t have an elite team and I’m sure we could find more.

    all over paid: Gomez, Cammalleri, Gionta

  20. So? That sounds like a great idea.

    …or are you saying theres a chance the Pens wouldnt go for that?

    http://www.puckbandits.com

  21. Chuck says:

    Any chance that Gomez make the charter out but Koivu makes the charter back?

    Please?

  22. Call me crazy but Bobby Ryan’s not going to be traded. Why would any GM trade a 30 goal scorer unless he’s getting a 40 goal scorer back? So who’s out there that fits that trade scenario?

    Sportsnet driven rumour. Usually when deals/trades are made fans are the first to say “I had no idea he would be traded”.

    Like a broken record, injuries are to blame for this Canadien team, and yes some times poor coaching (I don’t like their PP set up, but to be honest JM has a little more experience than all of us).

    Anaheim has lost 5 in a row, odds are they break that streak tonight, I hope not, but those are the numbers.

    After that will be another day of Montreal/coach/GM/Owners suck. Pretty funny actually, I take joy in other fans whining. Kinda sick :)

    Shane Oliver
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    • davelecave says:

      “Why would any GM trade a 30 goal scorer unless he’s getting a 40 goal scorer back?”

      Unfortunately for him, he doesn’t have a 30 goal scorer. He has a FORMER 30 goal scorer.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        30 3 years straight and it’s only November. He’s young and big. I’d take Ryan in a heartbeat for anyone except Max, Subban and Price.

        We dont’ have anyone good enough outside of those three to deal with Ducks (leaving Markov out of it due to he technically hasn’t played yet).

        They would though, probably trade Ryan for Markov (if proven healthy). Given their needs and their depth of firepower that would work. I’m not saying I would do it, I’m saying THEY would do it.

      • You’re calling Ryan a former?

        So because he has 11 points right now, he should be traded for an 11 point player?

        Shane Oliver
        http://www.Sholi2000.com
        Brandon, MB,Canada
        R7B 2R7
        hockey@sholi2000.com
        Ph- 204 724 8418

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I agree. Young, big, 30 goal scorer is not getting traded for weber, AK and a 1st.

      Iginla on the other hand though…..

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        Now you’re talking.

        Iginla. He is the player I want PG to make a trade for.

        ANH would be crazy to part ways with either Getzlaf, Ryan or Perry. Those guys are building blocks.

    • PrimeTime says:

      Any trade made for Ryan will be criticized by Hab fans no matter the team or players involved……no different than anything else that happens on “As the Habs Turn”. Some just enjoy being miserable and others “take joy”in how miserable others are. Gee, I wonder why GM’s Coaches, and Players ignore opinions by outsiders…..unless they want a good laugh too!

      • habsnyc says:

        I think fans are frustrated that over a 15+ year period, Montreal has been average. That frustration is more than fair. Ticket and concession prices in Montreal are the highest in the NHL. At times, Gainey and Price among others have taken their frustrations out on the fans. There is no plan other than waiting to clean up the mess of the prior plan.

        The fans want to be treated intelligently by management. Was it that hard to figure out that Gomez was past his prime? Did anyone notice that division rivals were getter tougher and we were getting softer? People have a right to hold management accountable for getting off to a poor start due to not having enough NHL ready bodies in the organization.

        I am sure 29 other GM’s in the league had a laugh when PG realized that the season had started and he didn’t have a full roster. “Oops, you mean I need SIX defensemen?”

        Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

        • Arrow77 says:

          “I think fans are frustrated that over a 15+ year period, Montreal has been average.”

          You’re trying to make an unreasonnable situation sound reasonnable. There isn’t a year on those 15 the fans didn’t complain and didn’t ask for big changes. That’s why Gainey was hailed as a savior when he came in. That’s why on his last year he blew up the team and hired a bunch of free agents, even though he was described as a cautious GM throughout his career before. It takes only a few losses for the fans to panic and it took them only a few weeks to call Erik Cole a flop. And how many were ready to trade Carey Price, our most promissing young player, because they thought three seasons was enough for him to develop?

          People want the team to rebuild and the results to be ready right now. It makes no sense at all!

          • habsnyc says:

            i doubt you will see my reply because it is late. gainey was never a cautious gm. he spent a ton for dallas – hull, nieuwendyk belfour and zubov. he traded away iginla. He left after he blew up Dallas having signed Turgeon to a five year deal and Audette to a four year deal and firing Hitchcock. gainey spent more than anyone but sather in the late 90’s. and he left a mess behind him.

            Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I would only take the injuries factor so far in explaining the HABS. Am I wrong or have teams like the LEAFS for instance kept on chugging with significant injuries. Not to mention Pittsburg.

  23. Neutral says:

    This is the most I would give up for Ryan:

    Cammy, Gorges a 2nd rounder and I don’t dislike either one of them but you have to give up something to get something
    I would put together the following lines:

    Cole Pleks Ryan
    Max-Pac Eller Kostitsyn
    Moen Desahanais Gionta
    Darche Gomez Nokelainen

    • Chorske says:

      That’s too much.

    • likehoy says:

      I rather give up a 1st and a crappier dman.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • Boomer says:

      Scott gomez and a 7th round pick for ryan… its a no brainer for anaheim ;p

      Boom baby!

    • I don’t know enough about Ryan, but if he’s a typical grinding 30-goal guy, that’s too much for him. Cammy is a 30- or 35-goal guy all on his own on another team, and he’s proven that in LA and Calgary. Plus there are rumours — for what they’re worth — that Ryan isn’t the best team player…

      If I’m Anaheim, I want defence, youth and players who won’t be UFAs next year, because this year is just about a write-off. I’d ask for something like Weber, Eller and a high pick and in PG’s shoes I’d take a long look at that but might ask for Getzlaf instead, even if that means throwing in a 2nd-rounder or Campoli as well. Imagine Cammy and Cole flanking a real bona fide #1 centre:

      Cammalleri-Getzlaf-Cole
      Kostitsyn-Plekanec-Gionta
      Pacioretty-Desharnais-Moen

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • Storm Man says:

      I think we need to trade the GM and Coach before going after big name players… I have never posted this before but will now. Kevin Lowe would be a good fit here in Montreal as a GM. Im sure a few of you would say he loves the oilers and would never leave so on and so on but so did Gretzky ect and they work for others teams. He was born in Montreal can speak french. He would be number 1 on my list if I was Mr Molson. As for who would coach the team… After Lowe was named GM coaches would be knocking on the door to coach a team who’s GM was Lowe and to take the Habs to number 25.

    • mrhabby says:

      i would be very surprised if the ducks would take back that big contract of cammy’s. would they not want players that are cheap and have great potential instead.

  24. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Bobby Ryan discussion reminds me of the subprime crisis.

    The notion seems to be that if you pack enough poor players together you make the trade attractive, like bad mortgages.

    On sportsnet a blogger suggests the Leafs package Kadri, Kulemin, and Komisakrek. Kadri can’t make it in the NHL, Kulemin is a one-season wonder, and Komisarek is both injured and sucking.

    Here we’ve similarly proposed crazy deals like Eller, Gorges and a pick.

    • shiram says:

      Are Habs fans so used to bad trades that they expect every GM to make such mistakes?

      Randy for HC!

    • likehoy says:

      the sad part is I don’t think we could match the value of Kadri, Klemin, and Komisarek in a trade.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Jordio-oh says:

        Eller, Tinordi, Kristo and a first round pick.

        • Chorske says:

          And the firstborn son of every HIO member. And the farm.

          • Jordio-oh says:

            Haha, I’m just trying to be more realistic than some other posters on here. We wouldn’t just get Ryan; we’d probably get a prospect back in return, although a less one than Tinordi or Kristo.

            Ryan’s a stud, straight up. Easy 30 goal man, hits a lot, creates opportunities and he’s only 24, not 28.

            I find fans of their own teams have tendencies to try and package multiple less desired players (as Habs72 mentions above) together and send it off without actually considering what Anaheim would want or find attractive.

            Perhaps my quick offer is steep, but it’s not far off. Plus, its naturally to be overly optimistic about our own prospects, but not everyone turns out. If Tinordi or Kristo turn out to be Randy McQuaid and Dan Paille, then we win the deal.

            I’m mostly playing devil’s advocate here, while also trying to combat the Weber/Gomez/Darche type of situations.

        • Habitall says:

          No. Let’s build from within, mainly, and go after the occasional UFA. Blockbuster trades are a major risk, and besides you’re mortgaging the future … for what? A chance to win the Cup this year? Not likely to happen. We need to get deep with young talent and only then can we trade a bona fide asset for that missing piece. We’re not there yet.

        • ABHabsfan says:

          Take out Eller and it’s not bad

  25. Habsolutely says:

    Gotta love the hockey world. Leafs don’t sniff the playoffs for 6-7 years and now that it looks like they MAY, MAKE, the playoffs this year, and everyone is jumping out from under their beds and stroking Burkes giant ego. I’ve seen the word genius thrown out there, numerous articles on TSN chatting them up like they’ve already won the cup and even habs fans proclaiming we need a GM like Burke. Gotta love bipolar hockey fans. Someone get back to me when the Leafs have actually done something worth merit, besides ending their almost decade long playoff futility streak.

  26. Mattyleg says:

    Heh heh.
    Love all this hate on Cammy.
    People are soooooo fickle.
    “Four legs good! Two legs baaaaad!”

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • RiverviewCanadien says:

      I don’t hate Cammy, but his stats don’t lie, he is declining offensively in MTL, I am sure they signed him to score goals, which he is not doing.

      I think Cammalleri is one of those players that could benefit a different system.

      But what do I know, I think Iginla is a great hockey!

      • likehoy says:

        some Cammalleri Stats I posted below
        I wouldn’t say he’s declining, but I’d say he’s not the same player he is in Montreal as he was on other teams.

        PPG 4 seasons with calgary and LA: .865
        PPG avg in montreal: .735
        PPG avg up to this year: .826
        PPG avg this year: .579

        so stats show that Cammalleri has not been living up to his billing, and this year he’s a at 70% of his career potential and 78% of his Montreal Potential

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

        • RiverviewCanadien says:

          I would agree with those stats, but he has yet to play 70 games in a Habs uni. 6 million for someone to score goals that can’t play 70+ games, not money well spent, so far.

          I just think Cammy would be a better player on a different team with a different system.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Here is a question though. How do the rest of our PP guys stats look as well. Cammy is not the only one not living up to the bill on the PP.

          • likehoy says:

            we mean points per game.. not the power play

            but either way I’m too lazy to compile the rest of the stats but I’m pretty sure the only player worse than Cammy is Gomez.. and possibly Gionta but I don’t think Gionta is far off his career average.

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • shiram says:

      I like Cammy, he certainly seems to have a fire going for hockey and his own self as an athlete.
      That said he seems to be consistently injured, to his credit he seems to play injured alot too. But it does affect his play.
      And the PK thing is just wrong, this guy should keep his energy up for the PP and opportune goals at even strenght.

      Randy for HC!

  27. Higman says:

    Regarding Culture and the NHL:

    I’ve seen it suggested here before that the Habs organization won’t hire a coach who cannot speak French.

    When I think of the history of the NHL, French and English speaking Canadians certainly have a huge part in building the league – from the fans to the players to the owners.

    The question is, has the culture of Canada and USA, the immediate context in which the NHL is situated, changed significantly since the NHL’s birth? No one would argue that either nation has been culturally static. Even in the realm of technology we’ve see massive change. One messages were sent by letter or telegraph, now smart phones and internet expand and speed the communication process. Even in terms of national policy, Canada includes cultures from around the globe, while remaining primarily English and French linguistically.

    Not only has the context around the NHL changed, but so has the NHL itself. Teams have been lost and added, equipment and rules have been altered, and new marketing strategies and media tools employed. Not only all that has changed, but also WHO plays the game has changed. Players from Canada, USA, and Europe play the game together. Even, a number of years back a female played in an exhibition game for Tampa. Rosters are no longer purely French or English.

    The culture around and within the NHL has changed and we can expect, as with all cultures, that it will continue to change. A point in case is the recent push to care more about head injuries. Players like Eric Lindros showed us all that even giants are susceptible to the punishing effects of concussions. The hockey world almost lost a legend in the making when Crosby sat for so long due to head injury. Soon, the NHL might get its act togetjer and provide a consistent and thoughtful system for reducing head injuries. The game and the league will have changed!

    Now, what about cultural change on an organizational level. The Habs have a certain culture that includes the French language as a honored component. How drastically can we hope or expect this to change or remain the same? The catalysts for change are vast and varied, as is seen with the head shot rule. Can the Habs hire a coach who cannot speak French? How about a GM? It would be interesting to hear Geoff Molson’s thoughts about French culture and his team. Nevertheless, with all the talk about showing Jacques Martin the door and giving another coach the helm, one has to wonder how culture factors into that decision.

    My opinion is that hockey is more than just stats and numbers, black and white, all business. It’s also entertainment, social and even spiritual (eg. how we nickname our players as Saint so and so. I’ve even seen prayers posted here for the Habs to win playoff games – and why not? Hockey, especially Habs hockey inspires). So if the Habs organization wants to uphold a French heritage, is that such a bad thing. What would be troubling from my perspective is there was some kind of denial that other cultures exist and are equally capable of contributing to this fine organization.

    So, is it possible the Habs will hire a coach without the ability to speak French anytime in the near future? Anything is possible, especially when the conditions are right for such a change. I like what one comment suggested on this site: that even an English speaking coach could work to learn French. Certainly, the utility of such language acquisition would most benefit francophone fans, players and media.

    I’d like to see the Habs hire the “best possible coach”. But practically speaking, most players speak English, so that coach has to speak at least that. If the coach was French speaking only, this would limit his ability to communicate in real time and succinctly to the players, thus hindering his overall coaching of the players.

    Linguistics is an art, and we forget that sometimes. And the game of hockey requires creativity and is an art form in and of itself. Hockey is cultural, not some static reality that goes unchanged with time. Maybe, when the conditions are right, will we see the Habs hire a coach who can only communicate to his players in English. In the meantime, perhaps we can enjoy something of the art and culture of the Habs, and try to understand the culture that the organization is proud of and shares with the rest of the league.

    • ed lopaz says:

      Higman, who are you? A professor?

      You certainly write like a pro.

      Kudos.

      Here is something to consider.

      The habs will NOT hire a head coach unless he speaks French because…..

      the coach would not survive the attacks he would face from the French media.

      let me explain.

      the media – although they deny it! – influences public opinion greatly.

      for example – Boone loves Gorges – result – Gorges’ talent and value on the team is greatly “appreciated” here at HIO.

      Boone describes Weber and Diaz as Swiss Cheese – suddenly there are posters who think Weber and Diaz are not NHL ready.

      This is just on HIO.

      What goes on in the French Media is much, much more emphatic, more opinions, and stronger ones.

      Any player not named Darche or Desharnais is a potential target.

      The French media in Montreal would NEVER accept an English coach’s flaws, losing streaks, or questionable decisions.

      In my opinion, an English speaking coach would be under “attack” immediately, as soon as the team began to falter, maybe even sooner.

      Nevertheless, your post is extremely well written, and well thought out.

      I just think you need to consider the “power” the french media has when it comes to the Habs.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

      • Higman says:

        The power of the media, as we recently saw in 2011, was capable of toppling the Government in Egypt. But is wasn’t the media alone. And it wasn’t just any media. It was media tools like internet, facebook, twitter, and youtube utilized by people demanding change. Pretty drastic, eh?

        So, the media alone doesn’t drive issues. They can try and create them, but unless they resonate with that actual sentiment in the public, they have a harder time catching on.

        So, the francophone media does suggest ideas, as well as report public sentiment, as well as attempting to present the facts. I agree with you that it gets messy and unfair at times in the media, and a coach only capable in English would have a “fun time” navigating the media. Maybe, he’d win some people over. Maybe a winning team would win the hearts and imaginations and opinions of people. Who knows? There are a lot of dynamics.

        Your post does make me wonder to what degree Martin actually adjusts his team according to public sentiment or media pressure. Certainly, english speaking reporter, and my hero for the year, Jessica, got Martin’s attention and Cole some extra minutes :)

        • ed lopaz says:

          sure – I agree – “a winning team would win the hearts and imaginations and opinions of people”.

          but that would not last.

          watch “Antichambre” at all??

          I watch it to get the “view” from the Francophone side.

          I also watch “Le Match” on TVA whenever I can.

          During “Le Match” they read viewer emails, texts and tweets.

          One viewer mentioned that Desharnais was struggling a few weeks ago.

          The moderator made a face, put his second finger in front of his mouth and whispered…”shhhh” – in french he whispered… “lets not get down on one of our “own” shall we? we only have 2 left in the lineup!” (referring to Desharnais and Darche).

          that’s what the Habs are up against.

          • Higman says:

            Ha ha ha! That’s actually really funny.

            I have a couple of thoughts around the Le Match comment. First of all, does viewership depend on providing viewers with a “us vs them” kind of narrative? In other words, in the struggle to gain and retain viewers, has the producer decided this cultural battle works in his favor? What fans actually feel this way? If there are any here on this site, I’d love to hear from them.

            At the same time, we all love to pride ourselves in the “hometown” hero. We do it during Olympics. It also comes out during the playoffs, where “good Canadians” are spotlighted. Why mention nationality or place of origin at all if it doesn’t matter? A little hometown pride seems to be acceptable across the board.

            Here’s my last question: what would it take to satisfy a someone wanting more French culture on the Habs? The coach, GM, advisers, owners and a handful of players are French speaking. What more? If the entire team was French speaking, but couldn’t win a game, would it be satisfying?

            ——————–
            When the tough gets going, the laughs start flowing. Like Price said, “Chill.”

  28. rhino514 says:

    Where can I view my old posts? There is no longer a link in the profile for this.

  29. durocher says:

    PG should try to pry Bobby Ryan from the Ducks — he’s been relegated to the third line in Anaheim for some reason.

    We should send Cammy the other way as part of a package for Ryan.

    • G-Man says:

      You don’t trade away the Habs best playoff scorer the last 2 playoff years. Unless, you are Homer Simpson, of course.

      • RiverviewCanadien says:

        You have to make it to the playoffs first.

        Cammalleri has done nothing but decline in MTL, does not fit in with the style.

        • Mattyleg says:

          His stats do not suggest that he “has done nothing but decline”.

          05-06 = 55pts (80 games played)
          06-07 = 80 (81 gp)
          07-08 = 47 (63 gp)
          80-09 = 82 (81 gp)
          09-10 = 50 (65 gp)
          10-11 = 47 (67 gp)

          He seems to fit in just as well as he did in LA and Cgy.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • likehoy says:

        no but you should trade away a player with high value and failing to fit into the team he’s playing on that shows no heart in the regular season for a player that can give you some regular season production and playoff production.

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

        • G-Man says:

          Where do you guys get this “failing to fit” nonsense? The Habs have little scoring and you want to trade away a goalscorer? Time to say it: Doh!

          • likehoy says:

            Bobby Ryan has outscored Cammalleri in his last two seasons.. If we’re on the topic of trading cammy for ryan.

            Also this year Cammalleri has 5 goals.. It’s really hard to get off that one-timer in the slot when EVERYONE KNOWS THAT”S YOUR PLAN.

            – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

        • it doesn’t matter who you trade/get. many seem to be missing the real issue. Cammy doesn’t fit? or the coach doesn’t fit the team?
          IF we would (and that’s a bif IF) happen to land ryan, he’s slump too trying to play Martin’s “system”.
          let’s face it, we have an offensive team playing defense. THAT my friend is the real problem.

          ———-
          hip-check!

      • savethepuck says:

        I thought I was the only one on here who defended Cammy. He’s been bashed the last 2 seasons for slumps by posters on here, and when playoffs are underway, there’s a lineup of people wanting to suck his D***. The guy’s been plaguedd with injuries since he arrived, but shows up when it counts. People have to give it a rest. the “what have u done for me lately” crap is unreal on here.

        “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
        Carey Price

      • Timo says:

        Well, in all fairness it is not hard to be Habs’ best scorer. With likes of Gomez and Darche getting top minutes and all.

    • likehoy says:

      wouldn’t trade Cammy PK and a 1st round for one player….

      Unless you meant the whole PK unit of Gill, Gorges, Plekanec, and Cammalleri… now you’re talking!

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Sad part is I would consider it. Ryan is big and can score. Cammy is awesome and they wouldn’t take him I don’t think cause of his age. But PK I am sure they would love as they need D but they would also need some forwards and we would need the cap room unless you immediately send Gomez to the Minors. Ryan can also play centre as well and could solve the elusive centre problem. Maybe offer eller and PK.

        • likehoy says:

          doesn’t make any sense to include PK in the deal considering statistically I don’t think Ryan and Cammalleri are much different.. other than the size and age factor.. since we’re getting longetivity with Ryan, a first rounder should give them longetivity.

          Subban is not an untouchable, but why throw in 2 big pieces for only 1? The ducks have to offer a bit more to get 2 big pieces off of us.

          – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • J_P says:

      Frankly, I dont think it would take that much, and I definitely dont think anaheim can even expect that much for bobby ryan.

      Anaheim already has two offensive d-men in fowler and vishnovsky. I think gorges, Cammy and a 1st should be enough to get the job done. If the pot needs a little sweetening, maybe send them a 4th rounder or a decent prospect (no gallaghers, tinordis, or beaulieus). If anaheim wants more than that, they’re off their rocker. Bobby Ryan is an amazing talent, but he’s not a one-man wrecking crew, and i would say he has a questionable on ice attitude.

      EDIT: Cammy is actually more a bigger cap hit than bobby ryan, so i even question if anaheim would want cammy, especially the way he is currently playing.

  30. Chris says:

    Thoughts for the day…

    Who had a good month?

    Jaroslav Halak, St. Louis – 7 GP, 3-2-2, 1.55 GAA, 0.938 SV%, 1 SO

    I love that one because I had to listen to some of our self-proclaimed goalie experts tell me that Halak was crap. Heaven forbid that another goalie have a bad start to his season. As a fan of both Price and Halak, I’m ecstatic that they’ve both had stellar Novembers. I’m happy with the trade…Price has been unreal (5-4-2, 1.97 GAA, 0.926 SV%, 2 SO) while playing behind a very young and inexperienced defence corps and I love Eller. With Ken Hitchcock in charge down in St. Louis, Halak is poised to have a good statistical year. I will continue to reserve my right to wish Halak, Higgins, Koivu and most ex-Habs well. Just not Mike Ribeiro. He is still a weasel, although the unintentional comedy factor of a Vancouver Canucks fansite whining about another team’s player being a faker and a diver is off the charts! But speaking of the Canucks…

    Cory Schneider, Vancouver – 7 GP, 5-2-0, 1.90 GAA, 0.947SV%, 2 SO

    Vancouver finally appears to have shaken off their early season funk and Schneider is a big piece of the puzzle. Luongo has been relegated to the bench by Schneider’s fine play, creating a nasty situation that might derail their season as the team’s long-term investment gets beat out by a youngster. Coinciding with Schneider’s ascendance is the return to form of Ryan Kesler, who is on a 5 game scoring streak and finally seems to have completed his recovery from off-season hip surgery. Schneider has good size and has performed very well at every level of hockey…I can’t say I’m happy to see that the Americans may finally have a solution to their long-running struggle to find a replacement for Mike Richter on the national team in the form of both Ryan Miller and Schneider. Poor Luongo, now riding the pine in Vancouver after escaping Florida, who are now doing quite well in no small part due to…

    Tomas Fleischmann, Florida – 13 GP, 6 G, 14 PTS, +9

    Fleischmann was the UFA this past summer that I was most intrigued by. Fleischmann’s speed and scoring prowess far outweighed the perceived risk associated with the blood clots he was dealing with in his legs last year. A great pick-up for the Panthers, along with linemate Kris Versteeg. I would have loved if the Habs had signed Flesichmann, whose speed would have fit in well with the team, but I’m ecstatic with the player they did pick up….

    Erik Cole, Montreal – 13 GP, 5 G, 10 PTS, +3, 31 Hits

    Cole has been absolutely flying this month. He got off to another one of his now characteristic slow starts, but he was definitely worth the wait. He brings speed, size and a willingness to drive the net to a team that needed some grit and power. Cole must be counting his blessings while watching the carnage down in Carolina, who are struggling across the board with the notable exception of…

    Jeff Skinner, Carolina – 12 GP, 6 G, 12 PTS, +1

    Two things jump out when you look at Skinner…12 points in 15 games isn’t red-hot, but when you factor in that all but one of them have come at even strength, it is impressive. Even more impressive perhaps is to carry a +1 rating through a month in which his teammates seemingly quit, culminating in the firing of his coach. With Kirk Muller in charge, perhaps the moribound Hurricanes power play will wake up. No sophomore slump for Mr. Skinner, who is still perhaps only the 2nd best player in his draft because of the performance of…

    Tyler Seguin, Boston – 12 GP, 8 G, 13 PTS, +12, 3 GWG

    In his draft year, the big question was whether Taylor Hall or Tyler Seguin was the better player. The jury remains out, but I think both teams are happy with what they got. Hall has been a dynamic player for the young Oilers and will continue to get better if he can avoid the injury bug that has been plaguing his young career due to his style of play. Seguin, on the other hand, enjoys the benefit of having had time to slowly develop for a powerhouse Stanley Cup winning team, and is now blossoming into a star player. With defencemen Dougie Hamilton tearing up the OHL this year (11 G and 38 PTS in 25 games for the Niagara IceDogs), poor Phil Kessel is going to be in for a tough fight to make that trade seem less of a steal for the Bruins. Fortunately, Kessel’s got some help in the form of linemate…

    Joffrey Lupul, Toronto – 13 GP, 6 G, 18 PTS, +2, 7 PPP

    Kessel was the surprise scoring leader in October, but Lupul has really cranked it up this month. Currently riding a 6-game scoring streak that has seen him post 10 points, Lupul has filled in for the slight decline in the play of Kessel to help the Leafs stay afloat while they have dealt with the injury to James Reimer. Lupul has been a constant tease throughout his career, but seems to finally have recaptured the form that he displayed early on in his career. Even though he showed flashes of his form after his late season trade to the Leafs, I don’t think anybody saw him challenging for the league scoring lead with one-third of the season in the books. Lupul’s success will have many fans using him as an example of why the Habs should draft more WHL players, although a more compelling case might be…

    Jamie Benn, Dallas – 13 GP, 4 G, 13 PTS, +9, 33 Hits

    Big, strong, physical…how in the heavens did this kid last until the 129th overall draft pick in 2007? Seriously…only 4 players from that rather deep draft have more career points than Benn: Patrick Kane, Jakub Voracek, Sam Gagner, and David Perron. Of those guys, only Kane has a higher point-per-game average, and even fellow late bloomer Logan Couture has a lower point-per-game average. He doesn’t look to be the elite finisher that many had projected of him in the BCHL, but he has continued to improve each season and throws a good number of hits. Time will tell if his current cold streak (held scoreless in 7 of his last 10 games) is a return to his usual level. When he scores, it seems to come in bunches.

    • ed lopaz says:

      someone should be paying you for this. Nice job Chris.

      Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Mattyleg says:

      Nice stuff!
      Interesting stats and analysis.
      You should do a ‘zeroes’ one too!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • 24 Cups says:

      Chris – The biggest question of the year in the NHL this season is the goaltending situation in Vancouver.

      The Canucks were built piece by piece in order to take a run at the Cup last year. Close but no cigar means they just have to win this season. Do they have the stones to give the job to Schneider?

      As well, if there is a mulligan buyout in the next CBA, do the Canucks choose Luongo as the guy they want to dump?

      Shoutout to Chris – I’d take Ribeiro over Samsonov any day of the week!

      • Chris says:

        I hadn’t really given much thought to the idea of another mulligan buyout clause in the next CBA, but you have to believe the Canucks are going to be pushing hard for it.

        I can’t say I love that clause, as I think that teams should have to deal with their bad contracts, otherwise the whole salary cap thing kind of becomes silly. Teams load up by offering ludicrous long-term contracts to players, fully knowing they will probably buy them out at some point or hope the player retires. But the league then negotiates the ability for teams to get out from under their own mistakes, which throws egg in the face of those franchises who don’t abuse the spirt of the rules.

        If it is there, no question the Canucks dump Luongo. One of the two guys has to go, as they are both too good to be not playing, and Schneider is looking mroe and more like the real deal. The problem is, Luongo is untradeable with the size and length of that contract. So they get a buyout and Luongo gets a sizeable amount of money and the opportunit to sign with a sun-belt team out of the limelight.

        As much as Samsonov was a disappointment, I still preferred him to Ribeiro. Ribeiro had everything going for him: ice time, an adoring public, good linemates and he STILL screwed it up by being an embarassment on the ice at times and being a bit of a drag in the dressing room.

        Samsonov was simply not a good fit, and his early struggles got magnified until he could do no right. Sort of like Gomez, in some respects.

    • Storm Man says:

      Good analysis for the most part… But for real you post the Blues back-up and not Elliott… 10-1 1.31 GA .951 SV%. As for the so called goalie experts on here I would say they are right about Halak.

      • Chris says:

        Storm: No question that Halak has been outplayed by Elliott on the whole (Elliott was ridiculous for the second straight month…6-0-0, 0.99 GAA, 0.961 SV% and 2 shutouts).

        I’m not sure if Halak that Halak is a back-up so much as a 1B goalie, as Halak has 7 starts in November and Elliott has 6 starts.

        I’m just happy to see a return to form for Halak. He was a plucky guy in Montreal…he gives up fat rebounds, his positioning was frequently questionable and he doesn’t have a prototypical goaltender physique.

        But he did stop a large number of pucks and helped the team deep into the playoffs, and was a generally great teammate if you can overlook that his agent is a Grade A jerk.

  31. 24 Cups says:

    That’s strange. It’s 11AM and there’s still no sign of the headmaster on a game day. I guess he’s still not out of bed.

    I wonder what Mary-Louis Parker or Penelope Cruz are up to right now:-)

  32. ed lopaz says:

    many posters have been asking the same question lately:

    if Martin is let go, who could possibly step in and replace him?

    Habs would be looking for experience – first and foremost

    Habs would require french language fluency

    And the coach would need to be “available” to step in on short notice.

    So, who could it be?

    Answer: Clement Jodoin (Hamilton Bulldogs head coach)
    http://canadiens.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=569872

    He has all of the requirements including 7 years assistant behind Habs bench.

    I’m not saying he would be MY choice.

    I am saying that he will be the Habs choice, should they be required to make a move quickly – everything else remaining constant.

    Habs hockey is “smart” hockey – we play 5 man defence, not just 2 – we move up the ice as a 5 man unit, we back check with 5.

    • Habmyster says:

      Lets be honest here.JM is not exciting but he is a good coach.Cosidering the injuries to defence & the lack of scoring & size upfront especially at the center position who would be better replacemement at this time.We would need a coach with actual head coaching experience in the NHL plus all the other requirements to coach Mtl.So who is out there.What we need is a GM with imagination & willing to take a chance every now & then.

  33. likehoy says:

    http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=381585
    so are we flooding dave hodge with “fire JM!?”

    – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

  34. Mattyleg says:

    Mornin’ all.
    Had babysitting duties last night, and watched the Pens-Rags game. Was exciting, but for all the ‘excitement’, I’d probably enjoy not having 3-4 goals scored on us every game.

    Looking forward to tonight’s game! I was bummed last week when I realized that I was going to be busy Thurs and Sat nights, but now that I realized they’re out west, I’ll be able to catch most of them! Yesssss.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  35. habfan01 says:

    So, the Ducks are dead in the water and on a losing skid- the perfect recipe for us to get creamed tonight.

  36. AliHaba says:

    Seems like everyone else has had a turn at tweaking lines. Even JM has had a few goes at it (tongue in cheek). Here’s my submission to be picked apart. (Please note that this takes effect when all wounds are healed and all suspensions served.)

    Cole Desharnais Pacioretty
    Gionta Plekanec Cammalleri
    Kostitsyn Eller Leblanc
    Moen Gomez White
    Nokelainen/Darche (spares)

    Markov/Emelin
    Subban/Gorges
    Gill/Spacek
    Weber/Campoli (spares)

    Price
    Budaj

    Diaz, St. Denis, Palushaj, and Engqvist sent to Hamilton.
    Might have to put someone on waivers depending on the injury situation. Top of the waiver list—-Darche.

    Go! Habs Go!

  37. karatekid says:

    Always great to see Saku again. Too bad it isn’t in a Habs uni!

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  38. bleedhabs81 says:

    You know what I am looking forward to the most?

    The Markov sneak in from the point to accept the backdoor pass and one time wrister into the net. I miss that, a lot!

  39. DorvalTony says:

    Saku Koivu 4 goals 7 assists. He sure is smoking Gomez.

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  40. shiram says:

    43 straight penalty kills with no goals scored against the Habs, 10 short of tying the NHL record.
    And Cammy still sucks on the PK.
    Right??

    Randy for HC!

    • i know. this cammy bashing is driving me INSANE. He has more ppg/ave than gio, cole and DD. like seriously, leave the guy alone. He’s been great on the PK. Not a great year, fine. but sheesh!

      – A

      • likehoy says:

        who cares if he has more of a ppg average than Gio Cole and DD.

        what’s Cammalleris’ career PPG average before Montreal?

        PPG 4 seasons with calgary and LA: .865
        PPG avg in montreal: .735
        PPG avg up to this year: .826
        PPG avg this year: .579

        so stats show that Cammalleri has not been living up to his billing, and this year he’s a at 70% of his career potential and 78% of his Montreal Potential

        while compiling the stats I’ve come to the conclusion that Cammalleri compared to Cammalleri SUCKS.

        You can’t compare apples and oranges!

        – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • bleedhabs81 says:

      *Edit

      Sorry, I read that wrong.

      He is doing just fine on the PK…. now how about the PP

    • Chris says:

      If it comes at the expense of his offence, then yes, Cammy still sucks on the PK.

      Unless you had a 20 goal, 40 point season in mind for Cammalleri when he signed for $6 million per season.

      • shiram says:

        I still don’t like how he does the PP, but you can’t argue with success.
        Cammy gets a pass on PK duties. But yeah if it’s at the expense of losing our 6 million sniper, is it really worth to have him wear himself out on the Pk?

        Randy for HC!

        • Chris says:

          That’s my complaint. I think you can turn pretty much any good NHL player into a good penalty killer if you are willing to give up their offence in the process.

          The truly great ones are the guys like Zetterberg or Datsyuk or Kesler that continue to put up elite scoring numbers while shutting down the other team’s offence. Plekanec is right up in that discussion too, but he needs to maintain his form through the second half before they teach him the secret club handshake.

          Cammalleri is doing okay, but I don’t think anybody will confuse him with a good defensive forward. He does not block shots, he doesn’t hit, and he isn’t particularly strong at back-checking. He is good at impeding passing lanes and hounding the puck.

          I have never been a fan of the new mantra in the NHL of having your best players kill penalties. Penalty killers are a dime a dozen…why waste the energy of your elite offensive players to chase the puck around for 30-45 seconds and risk broken feet from slapshots?

  41. RiverviewCanadien says:

    I hope PG is keeping an eye on the Calgary-Iginla situation. That is one player I would love to have on the Habs. And I believe Iginla has stated Montréal would be a place he would like to play.

    10 straight seasons scoring 30+ goals…a great resume, just a great overall hockey player.

    • mrhabby says:

      and on the down side of his career even though still a force. I just cannot see the flames trading him but who knows.

    • likehoy says:

      but how much longer will Iginla be effective? He’s 34..

      the only way Iginla comes to Montreal is if he believes he will make us a contender, what’s the point of Iginla going from mediocrity to mediocrity?

      both sides have to look at the deal and have to have it make sense

      I think Bobby Ryan would come at about the same price as Iginla and would have more long term value and would be easier to pick up than Iginla because Ryan doesn’t have a NMC, lower cap hit, and he’s still young and not necessarily needing to go to a contender

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

    • mrhabby says:

      and how do the habs fit him into there current salary cap. flames would need to take on salary which they dont want to. the cap makes it very difficult.

      dallas could be a fit..they have 51m committed to players this year.

    • J_P says:

      If anaheim is going to go into rebuild mode, I would rather PG make a real trade and try to get bobby ryan.

      If iginla can be had for cheap, maybe id kick some tires, but he has one more season at $7 million after this one, so we would have to demote gomez. I wouldnt want to give up too much for iginla.

  42. habsnyc says:

    If Montreal continues their recent 9-5-1 pace, they will end the season with 94 points, enough to make the playoffs. Which begs the question, did Montreal just get off to a bad start and they are really a good team or does their 12th place standing speak volumes about them? I still believe they are going to finish in 7th-8th place in the conference, provided they get healthy.

    I can’t really deal with the regular season anymore. There is just so much mediocrity on a team level. No one is on a pace for more than 108 points which is pathetic considering most teams get 5-10 extra points a year for winning OT/shootouts.

    If we contrast the team level mediocrity with the talent we see in the league, it gets very confusing. On most teams, the talent is offset by flaws from bad contracts. I look at the first lines on Tampa, Anaheim and Washington and it is not enough for them to contend. There are players I want to watch, but the teams themselves are not entertaining. I don’t think coaching plays that much of a role because there just is not much coaching innovation anymore.

    Blue, blanc et rouge. Red and White for Canada. Blue for Smurfs.

    • likehoy says:

      I’ve been saying all season that the eastern conference is weak this year.. every team sucks. There’s only maybe 2 teams that are heads and above.. Washington and Pittsburgh.. the rest are all about the same level. Some may put the Bruins up in the top 3 considering how they’ve just snapped out of a slump but we’ll see how the season progresses.

      I think with Markov back, we might be able to put together a few more win streaks, come trade deadline time if we can pick up a veteran scorer, we’re going to be able to make some noise.

      Remember how Washington was around 8th place last year then all of a sudden skyrocketed to first after they were very active at the trade deadline.. you can’t rule that out again this year that any team can have a huge influence with a few personnel changes.

      – If the NHL was the Wizard of Oz, Cammalleri would be the Cowardly Lion.

      • Chris says:

        I easily put the Bruins top 3, and would probably slot them ahead of Washington.

        I’ll take the Bruins top-8 forwards (Krejci, Bergeron, Lucic, Seguin, Horton, Peverley, Kelly, and Marchand) over those of any other team in the NHL, to be honest.

        And I would gladly take their goaltender over any other goalie in the league.

        Pittsburgh gets the edge because Crosby, Malkin, Staal and Neal give them a formidable quartet up front, they have perhaps the strongest defence corps in the league when healthy and Fleury is a proven goalie.

        But that is the only team I would favour over the Bruins, unfortunately.

      • J_P says:

        I think it’s safe to say the bruins are ahead of washington. Maybe not in terms of raw talent on the roster, but the bruins are definitely a far superior overall team.

    • PrimeTime says:

      I agree with your post but unfortunately the with so much parity in the league the bad start could hurt our playof chances. Its going to be a close finish from 6-10 IMO. PENS BOS WAS will be the favs to come out of the East but we’ve seen upsets in the past and injuries can play a vital role……never any guarantees.

  43. shiram says:

    Awesome game tonight, maybe Markov, maybe Leblanc, Ducks are weak, maybe the boys can win it…
    But I still figure I’ll be sleeping around the third period…

    Randy for HC!

  44. Hobie Hansen says:

    If there is any truth to the Bobby Ryan rumor, which there probably isn’t and if there were some rumblings about it I’m sure somebody slapped Bob Murry in the head and snapped him out of it.

    One can always dream! I would absolutely throw the bank at Ryan if I were Pierre Gauthier. Maybe not to the extent that Brian Burke went after Phil Kessel but pretty close!

    I’d trade a first rounder, Josh Gorges and David Desharnais. I heard the ducks were looking for a top 4 defender and a number 2/3 center…

    Gorges is awesome, I love him to death but I think the Habs could adjust. And the payoff of having 4 big and talented wingers would be worth it!

    • mrhabby says:

      the ducks want a dmen who does not make alot of coin. i would say they ask for PK Subban. They likely don’t want any big salary in return but players with great upside and will not cost them any money.

      • Jan_pronounced_Yan says:

        Even though PK is an RFA next summer and Gorges is a UFA, Subban is still likely going to make more than Gorges beginning next year. Especially if he starts scoring goals at a similar pace to last year once Markov comes back.

        Gorges will be the more inexpensive option and I think would be a better fit in that defense group than PK would. I think Murray will be looking primarily for a defensive-minded Dman.

        • Maksimir says:

          Give them Gorges (Which would suck because I like him too) but Ryan would be a great addition up front. Then trade Cammy for more help on the backend if any is available later in the season.

      • mrhabby says:

        i forgot abou the ufa/rfa thing. should be interesting to see what happens..likely all talk and no action.

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I don’t think you can trade Gorges given he is the Franchise’s best buddy. The last thing we want is our goalie going into a funk, especially when he has a new contract coming this summer. PK and Gorges are nailed-down IMO

    • J_P says:

      I could see the ducks taking gorges, but I think we would have to give them better than desharnais.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    So just finished writing out my Habs wish list to Santa, just about ran out of ink but Coles notes version:
    A healthy Markov
    A healthy White
    A decent Gomez (.6 points per game with positive +/-)
    A demonstrative JM on the bench, if even only once after a blown call by official
    And one trade this season where we clearly win the trade.

    Yup, I am prepared to accept a lump of coal instead.

  46. Habitall says:

    Any value in Beauchemin? Could be a salary dump for Ducks, aging player, Ducks have to be thinking if not rebuild, then at least youth movement. Send them Weber and maybe … would it require anything else? But please don’t trade any more prospects or high picks.

  47. Habfan10912 says:

    Am I overstating if I say Markov better be the savior of our powerplay or our play-off dreams are doomed? Because that’s what I am feeling.

  48. Hard4Habs says:

    If there’s someone I would go after from the ducks, it’s their WHL prospect Emerson Etem. The kid is tearing it up the with the Medicine Hat Tigers.

    • The Torch says:

      According to TSN, Bobby Ryan is available.

      • ABHabsfan says:

        According to Doug McLean (Sportsnet, take it as you will) from a Laff perspective it would take Luke Schenn, Kadri and a first rd pick to get Bobby Ryan. What would the Hab equivalent be? Schenn is a pretty darn good 21 yr-old d-man, Kadri meh, first rounder is gold to most teams.
        There is only one young-stud d-man with the Habs and I wouldn’t trade him, even with the sophmore struggles. Weber, Tinordi, 1st and a 3rd? I’d do that. Moen? He has twice as many goals as Ryan right now. Ducks are desperate for -d-men right now so at least one nhl defenseman would have to be in. They ain’t taking Gomez so start hitting backspace on your reply!

        • avatar_58 says:

          If that’s true the Leafs should go for it.

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          I think Schenn has been demoted to the third pairing.

          I would also do Weber, Tinordi, 1st and a 3rd but would the Ducks?

          • Bryan says:

            Bobby Mac said that the Ducks want a top 6 centre + Top 4 d man + 1st in the deal. Ryan would probably cost us:

            Eller, Gorges, 1st

            Not sure I wouldn’t do that deal…

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          • ABHabsfan says:

            There may be no better time to trade Moen if a deal can be made. Having a great year and is UFA come summer, familiar with the Ducks organization
            Moen, Spatch, 1st? A 3rd pairing d-man on most teams could be top 2 on the Ducks!

          • C_exacte says:

            The Ducks would be doing their ex-gm another “favour” if that’s the case, and they’re already reaping the benefits from the last trade, ie a real bad record with Toronto’s spare parts. IF they DO trade again, then it proves that GMs basically only trade with friends, I mean c’mon Poile in Nashville was assistant USA GM to BB during the olympics and practically gave him Lombardi and Franson for nothing. All his deals are with teams he has a relationship with, so in order for us to make a deal PG would need to make a friend and fast.

        • karatekid says:

          That seems like a pretty steep price in my opinion. I’d be surprised if the Ducks get all that…

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  49. The Torch says:

    Ok, Koivu and Perry. Who do we package in return?

  50. The Torch says:

    Bring Koivu back home. Lets trade them an over payed center in return! A thought.

  51. The Torch says:

    Would the Ducks consider a trade that would send Koivu back to the Habs for maybe say an over payed center? Just asking. lol

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I don’t think any team would take Gomez right now other than cap floor teams and even that is a stretch cause he is playing that bad

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agreed, at this stage, all I can hope for is that he truly gets fit/healed (whatever) and when he does come back he accepts whatever role he is given and plays hard. His tradability will be based on off season salary cap issues (for various teams) and the potential to show some tangible value in the 2nd half of this season.

  52. LA Loyalist says:

    Just throwing this out for discussion re: loser points

    When the teams are tied after 3, they are given the choice of one point for the tie, or proceed immediately to shootout and risk it all. The team who scored last (the tying goal) gets to choose.

    I think it would be pretty dramatic and would get rid of that stupid 5 minute overtime and get rid of the loser point.

    Thoughts?

    • avatar_58 says:

      “Stupid” 5 minute overtime? I prefer OT over that annoying totally random shootout. I’d prefer they do away with the loser point and make OT 10-15 minutes THEN a shootout, with decreasing amounts of players on the ice (ie 4on 4, 3 on 3, 2 on 2, then shootout)

    • habbernack says:

      3 pts for a reg time win…….2 pts for an OT win……..1 pt for a SO win…..no pts for the loser

      ability is what you’re capable of doing.
      attitude determines how you do it

      • HabinBurlington says:

        When you award 2 pts for an OT win, are you not giving 1 pt to the OT loser? As for the 1 pt. SO win, you now are having games change from 3 total points all the way to 1 total point.

        I hate to have Soccer emulated in hockey, but would prefer to see:
        3 Points Reg. Win
        2 Points OT Win, 1 Point OT Loser
        2 Points SO Win, 1 Point SO loser

        I don’t see this leage eliminating the SO, i think they feel it is a selling feature to a non-traditionalist market. (Entertainment)

      • karatekid says:

        2 pts for a reg win, no points for a reg loss, no points for overtime loss, and no point for shootout loss. If you lose, you LOSE! I hate the whole giving a point to the losing team thing, it’s bs.

        Keep the shootout because fans like it and it’s good for the game.

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  53. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Carolina is doomed! Fire Rutherford and Muller!!! Trade Staal!

  54. Ian Cobb says:

    On the conversation of 3 point games, which is totally absurd.

    Just goes to show how inept and corrupt the NHL is. Dishonest standings in order to fill more seats and pockets in the league. Fans thinking their team is up to the competition because they are a few points out, when in fact points were given to them for losing.

    It is all about fleecing as many fans, including the TV contracts as possible.

    • V says:

      Wow. You seem like you are having a bad case of JM disease – an incurable tendency to hate your team’s coach or the league he plays in.

      Even though I don’t go to the Summit, I really admire you for the work you do to pull it together. You have been a bit of an inspiration to me because of your positive attitude and commitment to the team. You have also done a lot of great work for this HIO community.

      Hope you get your mojo back.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        We will get our mojo back when we get a coach who realizes it’s almost 2012, not 1998…

      • HabinBurlington says:

        @V, having met Ian for the first time at the most recent Summit, I can tell you this guy is positive. I know Ian is frustrated with JM, but have no doubts V he is the guy you alluded to in your post, and he does a great job with the Summit, it really is a good time.

      • kirkiswork says:

        Hey Ian, sorry but gotta agree with V.
        You have been doing an unusual amount of b#tching lately.
        Everything will be OK.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        Thanks for both sides of the coin. I have nothing against JM. I think he is doing the best job that he can. The real problem that I have is that of his philosophy on how the game should be played today. I sincerely believe that the game of his era is over. If I am wrong, and yes I could be, we will see in this years results. Because I also believe we have a very good bunch of players this year, injuries included. Not being negative, just going with what I see since Jarvis and Muller have moved on my friend.

        Hope to meet you at next years Summit!

        • idle says:

          What is his philosophy? Can you explain it to me please.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            JM’s philosophy is the “prevent” defence used by bad football coaches, where they cower in their own zone, conceding short plays so as not to give up the big play deep. The idea is to kill the clock, and the theory that the more plays a team runs, the longer it takes them and the more likely they will make a mistake.

            It rarely works in football, but they still do it. It definitely doesn’t work in hockey, because of the random chaos inherent in playing with a small piece of frozen rubber. You don’t have “possession” of the puck like you do in football, so playing mostly in your own end, even with shot blocking, etc., is generally asking for trouble. One is much better off playing in the other teams end.

            But don’t tell JM that.

          • idle says:

            @ LA Loyalist. Please provide sources.

            I want to see an interview, a book, a dossier, something where Martin says that is what his philosophy is or footage of him clearly instructing his players to sit back. When is the last time you were in the dressing room during the second intermission when the Habs were up by a goal and Martin was telling his players ‘nobody… and I mean NOBODY forchecks”

            Players tighten up later in the game when they have the lead. Nobody wants to make a mistake that lets the TEAM down, not just the coach. Happens with many teams.

            Also there are two teams on the ice. Late in games when a team is down only a goal or two they are often pressing hard. I don’t think anyone is instructing the other team to turtle.

            It’s only been two times this year the Habs have blown a game when they have been leading in the third.

            Mostly though, I want all the posters who talk endlessly about Martins system to explain exactly what they know about it.

        • kirkiswork says:

          Ian,
          you are definitely not wrong, in fact I think you are 100% right on.
          Just not used to you expressing that sentiment so much.
          I will keep my calendar clear for next years summit.
          Cheers.

    • idle says:

      However Ian, the top 3 teams in the league have 4, 3 and 3 extra points. The bottom 3 teams have 3, 4 and 4. Not much difference there. No team has more then 4.

  55. Clay says:

    Thanks Stu – very informative piece, as always. Maybe the Habs should consider hiring you as a scout? ;)

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  56. Ian Cobb says:

    We make a (hard habit) out of playing up to the competition and down to the competition that we play on any given night.

    Ducks are a dying team according to Mr. Boone, so that means jet lag legs, and another shoot out is possible!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Ian you make a good point that has bothered me profoundly the past two seasons. I agree that it is human nature to an extent to coast a little when a task looks easy, but isn’t it the coach’s job to prepare the team for each opponent appropriately?

      We have consistently messed our shorts in games we should have won (remember the disastrous western Canada swing last year?)

      What’s the point of gaining 2 points against a Detroit or Chicago – and limping out of Cleveland or Kansas City with a loser point or nothing?

      Me personally I blame Count Chocula and offer this consistent inconsistency as one of the main reasons he sucks and should be sacked, forthwith if not sooner. :-)

      • Ian Cobb says:

        No doubt about it, this game has passed JM by. He is not the kind of man personally to motivate and put a game plan together in today’s game. It is much faster at both ends of the rink, players are twice the size, (at least most teams) and the rules are very much different. He is lost in today’s game!!

        • G-Man says:

          Yeah, like JM is the one hopping on the ice and loafing.

        • Benoitr says:

          Hey Ian did JM crap in your cornflakes or what? I ask you who do you think can coach this talented bunch? Maurice, Boucher, Carlyle, Bowman, Trembley, I think JM keeps this team competative and firing him would just keep you JM bashers quiet long enough to get on the next coach.

  57. rated_R says:

    LA loyalist, you’re going to try to find a bar where he can do his homework? Smh

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think it is a new California Education Initiative.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Funny you mention Education Initiatives. The Cal gov’t has a program called “First Five” they are trying to steal $1Billion from for some other program, but the court has stopped them. They previously stole gas tax money for the general fund (money that was supposed to be used for road repairs and upkeep) and now we have terrible pot-holes and sh*t freeways and no money to fix them. :-)

        I should point out that whether you are for or against government programs (I’m generally against them) once they get voted for or passed the funds should at least be used for the original purpose… or am I just a crazy idealist…

        California has slid so far, you have no idea, it’s like a banana republic here now.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I can’t believe there is a gov’t in North America that would take tax money previously ear marked for one project and assign it to something else. Thankfully this would never happen in Canada…..

          • idle says:

            I hope that comment is meant as sarcasm. Ask the citizens of Muskoka if they can think of a time a Canadian government has done it. Like when Clement & the Conservatives spent $50 million dollars from the Border Congestion fund on new Gazebo’s, toilets and an unused tennis court in and around Huntsville.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @idle, was complete sarcasm. While I do appreciate living in Canada, I have lost virtually all respect for any gov’t regardless of party flavour. All of them (IMO) have forgotten what it means to be a politician. It is now just a simple race for re-election at any cost. The taxpayers money is spent like it is lottery winnings. For the amount of taxation paid in a country like Canada you would think there is room for both Social Programs and Infrastructure yet somehow most every gov’t is running deficits. The concept of a politician accepting this position to serve the people seems long lost to me.

          • LA Loyalist says:

            At least Muskoka has beautiful roads, even with the weather.

            I just broke a $900 2 week old Bilstein shock on a pot hole. Just lovely.

          • idle says:

            Tax payers money is passed around like they are flyers for windows & doors service. Now the govt is trying to figure out what happened to $90 million that was spent to improve housing conditions in Attawapiskat with nothing to show for it. Harper is upset and demanding to know why this money (equivalent to $50 thousand for every man, woman and child) was not able to solve the issue but when his govt is asked how they oversaw the spending there is nothing but blank stares.

        • G-Man says:

          You sure you’re not still in Quebec? Sheesh!

    • LA Loyalist says:

      You win :-) I just slid that in there to see if anyone would notice! :-)

      Probably he will do his homework at Panda Express, a very bad faux-Chinese chain, but he loves the orange chicken. What can I say?

      • Nine1one says:

        Panda Express Orange Flavored Chicken is the only reason I go to the mall down here Lol :D

        • LA Loyalist says:

          No one Asian eats at Panda Express, trust me. I sit there and sip a diet Coke while he scarfs down a large box of it :-) We were just in Maui for Thanksgiving and after 4 days of eating exquisite food he just had to have Panda orange chicken on the way to the airport.

          He’s not allowed to have it more than once a week, though I guess this week it will be twice !! Maybe I’ll try and talk him into a pre-game steak at Ruths’ Chris or Mortons (both 5 minutes from the Ducks rink).

          The biggest problem with going to Anaheim is Hockey Giant, a huge hockey gear store you have to drive past to get there. He always seems to “need” a new $200 stick. Yikes… this could get ugly :-)

  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Ducks look like the Habs during the death spiral that was Centennial season.

    Now, what is the common feature of those two teams?

  59. rated_R says:

    Maxwell? THE ben maxwell from the Jets?

  60. HardHabits says:

    In the loser point system out of 30 teams only 7 have losing records. Tell me the standings aren’t skewered. It also means a 10 point differential is pretty much insurmountable.

    As for the Habs. Missing the play-offs this season is a given. Drafting 8th over-all is still pretty good. What the Habs need to do is trade whatever veterans they can at the trade deadline for picks and/or prospects. Landing another 1st round pick to go with their top 10 pick could do wonders for the revival of the club in 2015.

    2 and half years of suckitude to go. Hopefully by then BG, PG and JM are retired or fired.

    • G-Man says:

      Agree on that OTL point. Hockey games should be won or lost, but not by resorting to that Shootout gimmick. Forget points, really. It should be like baseball’s winning pctge.
      Oh, and if a lot of seats are emptied in arenas because of that, that city doesn’t deserve or want a hockey team.

      My man Markov is back. The suckitude stops tonight! ;)

    • HabinBurlington says:

      HH it really is hard to believe a major league sport still doesn’t recognize the simple fact they have an imbalanced scoring system with some games adding 3 points to the standings and others 2 points. In a league that uses total points to determine standings and not winning percentage it is completely flawed to have some games worth more than others. I know somebody perhaps it was you, did the math showing how little the standings differed at season end, but in another season the results could be much different. It is this kind of flawed thinking that confirms to me how ridiculous the entire NHL Head Office is.

      • Clay says:

        The head office is ridiculous indeed…but the reason they do it is to fool the fans of lame-duck markets into thinking that their teams really aren’t that bad. People who have critical thinking skills see through the BS (like yourself), but a lot of idiots buy into the lie.

        __________________________
        “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

      • Ian Cobb says:

        On the conversation of 3 point games, which is totally absurd.

        It is all about fleecing as many fans, including the TV contracts as possible.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      … and Gomez will have gone off to spend his un-earned booty :-(

  61. nick says:

    Dying Ducks eh?
    Never under estimate MTL’s ability to make a crappy team look like a group of all-stars.

  62. Malice says:

    it’s nice to see a player ask for more consistency, i liked patches explanation better

    Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness was

  63. Neutral says:

    should have Leblanc on the 3rd line with Moen and Eller – not Palushaj….why use weber on the 4th line….put palushaj there.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Palushaj should never be on a 4th line – he doesn’t have the skill set to fit that role. Same goes for Weber if you really want to be honest about it. Whatever you gain by having Weber as a swing player is lost somewhat by the fact that he hurts what a 4th line should really be all about. Out of the three players mentioned, Leblanc would probably be the best fit on a checking line.

      BTW, there’s no guarantee that Leblanc will start tonight or get significant icetime. He may just be with the club as an insurance policy this week.

    • CanadienBoy says:

      I remember Robidas force to play forward then Streit
      now it Weber turn .The first two prove over time than they where legit D i don’t like it ,let the forward play forward and D play D

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The most frustrating part of these Dmen being turned into part time wingers to play 4th line, is we had a capable 4th line player in the lineup earlier whom JM refused to play. I do recognize Blunden was no permanent solution, and he had some deficincies, but he provided the element wanted (By most teams in the NHL) physical and energy on a 4th line.

        I read by someone a while back his waiver clearance may have been a factor in his demotion, but even while he was up, the last 3-4 games he was barely touching the ice.

  64. I remember the good old days when Koivu was the Centre we complained about. The Glory years.

    http://www.puckbandits.com

  65. 24 Cups says:

    Ryan is on a line with Maxwell and Hagman? No wonder he’s not playing that well.

    • Stu Hackel says:

      Cups – Ryan has played with Getzlaf and Perry all season. He was moved to this line for the first time in practice on Monday and Tuesday. His stats aren’t because of he’s played with third liners.

  66. Bob_Sacamano says:

    As someone who lives in Europe and rarely misses a game the poll makes me laugh. Does anyone who considers himself a fan really miss a game because he gets 1, 2 or maybe 3 hours less sleep?

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      I’m typically up five hours before I work my midnight shift to see games. What bothers me is I will essentially miss the debut of Louis Leblanc and the return of Andrei Markov. Until this week my shift was working out great.

      Shame MTL can’t stretch their influence like the Leafs do and insist the Western teams play an afternoon game to fit their schedule.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • Bob_Sacamano says:

        That really sucks. I usually sleep two to three hours after the game and then another 1-2 hours after work. Tomorrow I got a day off. If I hadn´t I would sleep 2-4 hours before the game and head to work right after it.

        Right, the only afternoon game out west is saturday when most people don´t really “need” it.

      • LA Loyalist says:

        Man, it’s a school day! I will pick my kid up at 2:30 (missing work :-)) and drive 45 minutes to beautiful downtown Anaheim, try and find a bar where he can do his homework, and then get our seats for the 7:05 start – local time. The Kings / Habs game Saturday IS an afternoon game (which I agree makes no sense, being a Saturday) but we have a conflict as my kids Squirts game is at 2 pm — most of the kids’ games for his age group in that league are at 2:00 or 4:30 — so tons of young kids who ACTUALLY PLAY HOCKEY won’t be able to go to the Kings/Habs game as they are playing their own games – AND these are kids IN THE KINGS DEVELOPMENT SYSTEM.

        I realize the above makes no sense, but of course the Kings don’t do the scheduling.

        *** P.S. re Bobby Ryan — we need to get a 30 goal scorer from somewhere, whether Ryan or elsewhere, as JM will turn him into a miserable 15 goal scorer a la Cammi… there’s a law of hockey physics in their somewhere…

  67. G-Man says:

    As bad as the Habs have been, the Ducks have been worse. Even with the Mighty Getzlaf, Perry, Selanne, Koivu and Ryan, they stink.
    How posters here would howl if that was happening in Montreal. Wait a minute…

    • SeriousFan09 says:

      Part of the issue is all their dollars are tied up in six players, the rest is mostly filler. Playing in a dead arena doesn’t help.

      Four legitimate All-Star players on that team and people don’t want to watch them play, a joke really. Either they can’t market that, or people don’t care. Either way, Southern US hockey makes me ill.

      – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
      SF09 on Twitter

      • LA Loyalist says:

        What dead arena? The Honda center is nicer than the Staples Center (Kings rink) and I guarantee you it will be 50% Habs fans in jerseys screaming. Two years ago (last time Habs were here) both Kings and Ducks had virtual sell outs for Habs (I was lucky to get tickets this year). Last year of course they didn’t come (that was the year Ducks went to Montreal and Saku got his standing O).

        I will admit that when teams like Florida Panthers and Cleveland Barons play here, the seats may be empty, I don’t know, I’m not a seasons ticket holder, I just buy games I want to actually see.

        I just realized that if we go to the Kings practice rink Saturday morning before my son’s game we can probably see Habs practice. All they do is close off dressing rooms 9 and 10 and put up a black curtain, there might be 100 extra fans. That will be fun!

        I feel bad you are missing the game, I’ll try and report on anything colorful that happens tonight!

        • SeriousFan09 says:

          I’ve watched ANA since Koivu got there Loyalist. I’ve noticed many empty seats this year and the previous 2.

          Habs may fill the arena up but there are other games when nothing goes on. You have one of the most elite lines in the whole of the NHL that should be worth-price-of-admission right there, not thousands of empty seats.

          – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
          SF09 on Twitter

          • LA Loyalist says:

            We as Canadians will watch almost any hockey, because we love hockey and we love it at any age or level. When I’m in Calgary I’ll happily go to a Flames or Hitmen game. I watch games at my kids practice rink when I don’t even know who’s playing or what age they are.

            I think Americans are more into their city’s team, irrespective of the sport.

            My American friends (who love hockey, they play and their kids play) also follow football, bball, baseball, from their respective home towns (Chicago, Washington, mostly).

            We may enjoy the Alouettes or Argos, or Expos (arghhhh!!!) but mainly that’s waiting around for hockey to start.

            In a nutshell, Americans are polygamists. We are more singular.

            That’s my observation, anyway.

    • HardHabits says:

      I’d be howling like a wolf happy to see a full moon.

  68. The Cat says:

    Another head scratcher from the NHL: Neal from Pittsburgh gets a 2500$ fine for his stick hitting Subban in the head. Neal loses his balance because of slewfooting by Subban, hence causing it all.

    [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

  69. Jim Edson says:

    An opponent playing poorly, stars in massive slumps, goaltending left up to a 3rd stringer.

    This is typical of the type of game the Habs forget to show up for!

    Very dangerous!

    ———————————————————————-
    …..My empire is crumbling, my international sponsors are deserting me, my authority is questioned, I am held in contempt wherever I go.

    Who am I: Barak Obama or Gary Bettman.

  70. j2w4habs25 says:

    tonight is going to be a hard game but i am going to watch because of Louis Leblanc :)

    Carey Price #31

  71. SUMO says:

    I’m wondering if anyone else finds the headline a little distasteful. Dying duck with a picture of a cancer survivor, Saku Koivu, next to it? A better choice of words or a different player may be better?

    • jew4jah says:

      i find your comment distasteful.

    • LA Loyalist says:

      Ducks’ Jason Blake (currently injured) is a cancer survivor, too (he normally plays on the line with Teemu and Saku) and when Lupul was on Ducks with his weird infection it was kind of funny to have so many strange disease guys on the same team.

      I wasn’t so happy with the headline either, but the guys bashing your post are idiots (what else is new?)

      • V says:

        He asked us for our opinion and we gave it. We don’t like it and you do. Why does that make us idiots?

        If we are idots for expressing an opinion he solicited, that must include you because you also gave an opinion. If we are idiots for disagreeing, you must be something for agreeing – a tool maybe.

        • LA Loyalist says:

          You totally jumped down the guys throat for a legit comment. You could have said “it’s innocuous, no one will read it that way” or “you’re overreacting.” – – you can say what you want, but when it’s unfair you’re going to get called on it – as does anyone who over states something on HIO – I’ve done it in the heat of the moment, though not over such a dumb point.

          • V says:

            I said ‘make that three’. That is hardly jumping down the guy’s throat. He asked us for an opinion… we gave it. As you did.

            Calling us idiots is unfair. But it probably makes you feel smart so go ahead.

  72. LA Loyalist says:

    We need to come out of the Ducks/Kings/Sharks swing at least at .500

    I also think playing Markov and Leblanc on the road first is a good idea.

  73. SeriousFan09 says:

    Except the ‘tie’ at the end of 60 now means as much as 1st, or 2nd period tie. The game isn’t over. It’s going to keep until they determine winner, the tie game died in reality in 2005 and teams are now being rewarded for losing games.

    You lost, but you got a point, henceforth, the term ‘loser point’.

    – I shall always remember Captain Koivu. Habs and Hockey.
    SF09 on Twitter

  74. LA Loyalist says:

    I actually agree with you that the 4 on 4 is good, but my counter-argument is that it pretty much kills the last 10 minutes of the third period in a tie game.

    I’m just throwing out an idea to see if we can collectively come up with something better. We’re a smart bunch, right?

  75. idle says:

    Except there is only 3 points awarded in games that do not conclude in regulation time. Hence the ‘extra point’. So there are 2 points available in regulation. If a team wins they get both points, it the teams tie they split the points and then play for an extra point.

    I’m not saying I particularly like they system, but I don’t see the big hoopla against it and I don’t get the negativity towards the ‘loser point’. It seems simple enough to me. The teams fight for the two points in regulation and if they split them they continue on for a chance at a third point.

    My chose would probably be some type of tire system, 3 points for reg, 2 points for OT, 1 point shootout.

  76. Gerry H says:

    I think a legitimate case can be made that the real distoring factor is the bonus “winner” point. Getting a tie over 60 minutes has always been a measure of a matched effort between two teams. At any time in any match, a goal can result from an exceptional effort, an opponent’s mistake, a lucky bounce or a blown call. They play 60 minutes in part to even out those kinds of random factors, which can often be dismissed as luck. In sudden death OT, those factors often win games.

    Think about this scenario: A team wins seven of ten in regulation, losing two in OT/SO and one in regulation. Another team takes four in regulation, four in OT/SO and loses two in regulation. In my book, the former has clearly performed better, wining more games in regulation and losing fewer in regulation. They will probably have a greater goal differential and be on top in every statistic but one, because they’ll both be awarded 16 points.

  77. idle says:

    Oh yeah, I forgot about the the other part of my tire system. The loosing team gets a tire. When a team collects enough tires they build a new team bus.

  78. RiverviewCanadien says:

    86 points last year with 43 goals…yeah his best days are done, we don’t need anyone that can score 30+ goals at all.

  79. avatar_58 says:

    Unless they can get Iginla for cheap I’d tend to agree. Giving up young prospects hoping he catches fire here might be bad….what if he’s Gomez 2.0?

  80. RiverviewCanadien says:

    Go check his stats, NO way he is a Gomez…as consistent as they come.

  81. Kooch7800 says:

    the only issue I have with Iggy is his age. You would have to give up some good young players to get him and in the long run it would not help us. Even with Iggy on this team we would not be a beast to beat.
    I also think he should retire a Flame. He has been the face of that franchise for far too long.

  82. RiverviewCanadien says:

    In the long run?

    I think it would help for the next 3 years, minimum. Iggy has tons left in the tank.

    I would give up the world to have this team win the cup THIS year. Future and long term, meh. I watch because I want them to win the cup, sooner the better.

  83. athanor says:

    Assuming you are theoretically a Hab fan, since this is primarily — if unofficially — a Habs site, I say: A pox on poolsters who wish ill on their own team so they can garner points in a gambling endeavour.
    So, I don’t know if I consider people who do that even to be fans.


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