Audio: Blueline swap brings Kaberle in deal for Spacek


Tomas Kaberle (left) joins the Canadiens with Friday’s trade.
Ellen Ozler, Reuters

AUDIO: Pierre Gauthier (courtesy Rick Moffat, CJAD) | Jacques Martin | P.K. Subban | Tomas Plekanec | Hal Gill | Chris Campoli

The Canadiens have traded defenceman Jaroslav Spacek to Kirk Muller’s Carolina Hurricanes for fellow rearguard Tomas Kaberle.

Kaberle signed a three-year deal worth $12.75 million this past summer. Spacek, making $3.8 million, is a UFA at season’s end.

Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin said he hopes Kaberle will be in the Habs lineup Saturday afternoon in New Jersey. The newcomer is expected to be of help to the team on the power play.

From the Canadiens:

The 33-year old Kaberle played 29 games with the Hurricanes this season. He registered nine assists, 38 shots on goal and 27 blocked shots, playing an average of 19:14 per game.

The 6-foot-1, 214-pound defenceman has collected 538 points (84 goals, 454 assists) in 931 regular season games in the NHL.  He scored 31 goals on the power-play and 16 were game-winning goals. He displays a career +19 plus/minus differential. Kaberle added 39 points (6 goals, 33 assists) in 102 playoff games, along with a +16 plus/minus ratio.

A native of Rakovnik, Czech Republic, he played in the 2002, 2006 and 2010 Winter Olympics. Kaberle was drafted in the eighth round, 204th overall by the Toronto Maple Leafs at the 1996 NHL Entry Draft.

Spacek played 12 games this season with the Canadiens registering three assists. He has a +2 plus/minus differential, with 12 hits and 25 blocked shots, playing an average of 15 minutes and 29 seconds per game.

Since joining the NHL, Spacek has recorded 343 points (77 goals and 266 helpers) and maintained a +45 plus/minus ratio in 846 NHL regular season games.


  1. HankHardball says:

    We don’t hear much from the Canadiens Department of Home Ice Security. So it’s difficult to know what Pierre Gauthier is thinking.

    But if you look at it from the point of getting something for Jaroslav Spacek, it’s a steal. Let’s face it. We all thought Spacek would play out his contract and be gone, with nothing in return, at the end of the season.

    The problem with Kaberle is, will his contract further complicate an already tight cap space situation and interfere with the signing of the future of this team? Time will tell. But for now, we have to acknowledge Kaberle is an improvement in offensive talent over Spacek, especially on the power play.

    That being said, has Gauthier addressed the real problem with his team? Which is not a lack of talent, but a lack achievement by the talent he already has. Even if Kaberle helps the PP, will that be enough to lift the Habs out of the doldrums? I’ll be surprised if it does.

    Jacques Martin is probably the best experienced and active Francophone coach available that hasn’t that hasn’t already been tried. But there comes a time when you have to accept that a coach’s tenure has run it’s course. It seems Martin no longer has the answers for what ails the Habs.

    If we’re going to go with a defensive minded coach, we may as well go with the one who’s achieved the most success. I think the choice at this point has become, bring on Jacques Lemaire or accept not making the playoffs this season. But the trade for Kaberle would indicate the Canadiens Department of Home Ice Security hasn’t reached that point yet.

  2. Hab-Q says:

    First of all look at this for what it really is – a salary dump by Carolina as they can’t afford Kaberle’s contract. They are also tanking for the first overall draft pick.

    Kaberle tied for 3rd in scoring among Defesemen in 2011 playoffs with Boston while averaging only 16 minutes a game.

    Spacek had 0 points.

    Advantage Kaberle

    He finished 13th in scoring for D-Men in the regular season. Spacek was 115th.

    Advantage Kaberle.

    In the past 3 seasons Kaberle has 127 points while Spacek has 82 points.

    Advantage Kaberle.

    Next year Habs have only 3 defencemen signed. Kaberle, Markov and Weber. If Markov can’t play, Kaberle is the only vetern signed.

    Montreal is unable to attract top players in free agency unless they are grossly overpaid (cammy @$6 mil, Gionta @5 mil, Spacek @3.8 mil, and Cole to a lesser degree). With all the yound D-Men we have, a vetern body at a reasonable cap hit will be required.

    They will have the cap room going forward and its only 2 years after this – unlike Cammy and Gionta who had 5 year deals.

    “I went to a fight the other night and a hockey game broke out”

    ~Rodney Dangerfield

  3. gp52 says:

    I used to get angry at Gauthier , Gainey and Martin. Now i just feel sorry for them. What an inept bunch. Weren’t they saying the same thing about Gomez, that he is this incredible passer who will just set everybody up to score.

  4. habs81 says:

    I want to cry:(

  5. --Habs-- says:

    Honestly are the Habs tying to piss of the fan base? Is the organization mocking us as fans? I don’t understand the direction!
    Honestly! I CALL FOR A PROTEST. DON”T GO TO THE GAME! Don’t wast your hard earned money for the sake of a game. Take your kids to a movie! Take your wife out to a good restaurant. This is as bad as opening your window and throwing the cost of your ticket out the window! Show the team what happens when you don’t take this game seriously. US THE DUMMIES keep paying for their mistakes. PROTEST! DON”T GO!

  6. ihabto says:

    The habs currently have two major problems and I think Kaberle has the potential to contribute to the solution to both of them. One problem is obviously that we need a defenceman who can distribute the puck on the powerplay since Markov won’t be back for awhile and the Pleks experiment failed. I think that the potential for Kaberle to contribute here is obvious and has been stated as the reason he was acquired.

    The other problem has to with the appearance that the habs tend to sit on leads and end up blowing them. I believe the coaches when they say the players are not instructed to sit on a lead but as players it can feel like you are sitting on the lead when you are stuck in your own end for long stretches, which is actually the problem. When other teams turn it up and start applying pressure because they are down by a couple in the third we collapse and do a good job of keeping the other team to the perimeter but end up in our end for long stretches if they keep on the forecheck. When we finally do get the puck, there is not a lot of time and space. Chances are the puck is retrieved by a defenceman or center who is either young, inexperienced, and impatient or old and defensive-minded so it gets quickly thrown into the neutral zone. If a forward happens to retrieve it, it gets chipped in so we can make a change because we’ve been trapped in our end for so long. Rinse and repeat.

    What we need in this situation are players who can cause a turnover (or retrieve a dump-in under pressure) and still have enough patience, strength, and vision to move the puck up to the wingers with a nice crisp pass taking advantage of the transition game that the pundits seem to credit our team with. Eller seems to be able to do this. Pleks can but often doesn’t in this situation because he shifts to a strictly defensive mindset. I think that DD, Subban, Diaz, and Emelin will be capable of this in the future but are too impatient in these situations due to inexperience and a fear of causing the defensive zone turnover that lets the opponent back in the game. Gill and Gorges will never be capable of this. Spacek was never going to do this. Kaberle can do this and when Markov returns he can do this. Even having just a handful of guys doing this means not being stuck in your end for so long so often late in these games and will have a calming influence over the whole team.

    The sad part is that Kaberle probably won’t get much credit for this because these crucial passes usually don’t show up on the stats sheet. Hopefully, they will translate to the W column in the standings though.

  7. Who will be the defence pairing today against NJD’s?

    Here’s my choice of “D” pairing;
    Subban – Kaberle
    Gill – Gorges
    Campoli – Yemelin

  8. LafleurFan says:

    We need more opinions on this matter so here’s another perspective: Wisniewski is getting 7miil plus a 2mill bonus this year. I prefer Kaberle Sauvignon’s 4 and a half.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  9. WNYHabFan says:

    I think intial reaction is expected to be negative with this trade. Take the financials out of it, and compare this years production between TK and Spacio even except for the -12 for TK. Look at years prior and TK has pretty much doubled Spacio’s production…. TK appears to be a gain.

    37 years old 33 years old, OK again an appeared gain. I use appears because lets see how this ends, it hasn’t even started yet. Last night Spacio had 2 A and was a +1, Carolina lost 4-2

    Both are reported to be great in the dressing room but, Spacio loud and fun, TK more to himself….. This is a minus

    The financials: Having 4.25 Mill on the books for 2 additional years, while trying to sign young talent with other terrible contracts will be tough, but I do not think the HABS are done with trades…. that is a scarey thought and possibly good news.

    Feb 27th 3PM will tell us.

    Hey, look at the positive we didn’t give up the future with Spacio.

    I also must think (Hope) if Gomez continues to slump when he returns he will be sent to Hamilton to free some cap.

    With all that said, I have no faith in Management, Mr. Gauthier needs to go….. with the storied history, fan base, and money making machine that the Canadiens are we need and deserve better. Too Bad Mr. Molson didn’t need the Canadiens to be successful for his financial security then perhaps he would be rightly alarmed as the majority of his fan base.

    On to the Coach, I have respect for Mr. Martin but becoming less of a fan each and everyday. Sure injuries have killed us, the terrible contracts have us in gridlock, but I do not think he could inspire a group retreat of AARP attendees (CARP for my Northernly Neighbors).

    TK had better play today… come on boys wake up and play to the respect that jersey you wear deserves!!!

    “I MISS 1993” – WNYHABFAN

  10. Clay says:

    Re: Kaberle
    A lot of people are upset about this. Me? Not so much. I think Kaberle will help the team, even if I am a little concerned that taking on a defenceman like him with a 3 year term means that Markov is done.

    Look at it this way – we know Kaberle didn’t produce with the Bruins, but consider that Kaberle is a finesse player, which doesn’t really fit in on a goon team like the bruins, who are much more likely to score goals from crashing the crease than a nice 3 way passing play. And no one produced on the Hurricanes this season – that’s just a bad team. Staal was at -17 a few weeks ago (is he worse now?), and we would all take him on the team in a minute, no?

    Lots of people thought Cole was washed up after his disastrous stint in Edmonton as well, and here he is as one of our very best players.

    So let’s just give Kaberle a chance, shall we? He is now a Montreal Canadien, and deserves our respect and a fair shake.

    “Talent is a gift from God, but you only succeed with hard work. Yvan was proof of that.” – Jean Beliveau.

    • Hear!! Hear!!

      TK adds more speed to this team. His PP ability to saucer a pass over to PK is a bombshell waiting to explode and PK mojo will be back with confidence. Habs PP should improve and scoring will come in bunches. With a healthy line-up going down the stretch is going to be something to see. When the Habs puts a winning streak together and challenges for tops in there division, all will be forgotten and everything will fall in place.

      Go Habs Go!!!

  11. JohnBellyful says:

    I thought Kaberle was quite good for most of his time with Toronto but his play has tailed off the past two seasons. What I do remember most about his time with the Leafs, however, is his reluctance to take a shot from the point even though he has a good one. Sounds like a forward the team has used to fill that spot.

  12. HabinBurlington says:

    The trade may not work, but end of day this trade can be corrected with money, and that is something which Montreal is Top 3 in the league.

    It has been posted here before, that Montreal should take advantage of its financial clout in order to improve this team. By taking on a guy where the risk is contract and requires giving up virtually nothing, that is exactly what the club has done.

  13. theflower says:

    From Scott Cullen @ TSN

    Desperate to fix a punchless power play, the Montreal Canadiens made a trade, taking on a hefty contract in the hopes of recapturing past glory.

    Numbers Game looks at the deal to bring Tomas Kaberle to La Belle Province.

    Canadiens Get: D Tomas Kaberle.

    Kaberle, 33, has seemingly fallen off a cliff since he was traded from Toronto to Boston last season, managing 18 points and a minus-6 rating in 53 games between Boston and Carolina.

    While he had 11 points and a plus-8 rating in 25 playoff games, helping the Bruins win a Stanley Cup, Kaberle was largely an afterthought, playing under 16 minutes in 13 of 25 playoff games.

    Even with that apparent decline, Kaberle secured a lucrative contract from Carolina that has two more years, at a cap hit of $4.25-million per season, remaining.

    At his best in Toronto, Kaberle played 22-25 minutes per game (a career-high 28:10 in 2005-2006) and was a force on the power play, scoring at least 20 power play points in five of the last six seasons (scoring 19 PP points in 57 games in 2008-2009). This year, however, Kaberle is playing 19:15 per game, his lowest since his rookie year, and has four points on the power play.

    Worse, Kaberle has been this ineffective despite being protected by facing the lowest quality of competition (per among Carolina defencemen and starting a greater percentage of shifts in the offensive zone than any Hurricanes regulars.

    Moving to Montreal, Kaberle might at least be able to help the league’s 29th-ranked power play, which has been clicking at only 11.4% this season and has obviously missed the presence of injured blueliner Andrei Markov.

    If Kaberle can feed P.K. Subban for big blasts from the point, not unlike what Kaberle did in his heyday with Bryan McCabe in Toronto, there is a chance that Montreal’s power play could at least pose more of a threat. It probably doesn’t hurt matters that Kaberle would have some familiarity with Montreal’s number one centre, Tomas Plekanec, from their time on Czech Republic national teams, but that’s digging deep for positives.

    Ultimately, Kaberle had better make a significant difference on the Montreal power play and not be a complete liability five-on-five for this deal to work, because there is significant money invested for two more seasons.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I am getting the impression you are not happy with this trade.

      • theflower says:

        Haha, thats funny you made me laugh HiB, thanks for the levity:)

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Cheers Flower! I have no problems with people disagreeing here, nice to be able to converse civilly towards each other.

          End of day, we all want the team to play better, MAYBE this trade will help. If not, well PG and JM will have some ‘splaining to do.

          • theflower says:

            I enjoy civil conversation and banter:) Frankly since I am in Ibiza, Spain staring at the sea, it gives me time to look at hockey much more objectively then when I was in Canada. Nobody here even knows what hockey is hehe. So every once in a blue moon, when something like this comes along, I will put my two cents in. As a fan since birth, it’s just hard for me to watch my beloved Habs becoming a laughing stock. When I think back that my first game I saw at the Forum was 1976 against the Flyers in the playoffs, we have fallen a long way since then, its hard to stomach to be honest.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    How does having knee surgery and a virus lead one to having Concussion Like Symptoms. What did Pronger try to walk on his new knee and fall hitting his head?

  15. The Torch says:

    It’s time for Molson to bottle and cap a Christmas six pack. Gauthier, Martin, Gomez, Kostitsyn, Moen and Desharnais in a nice little carrying case. Please no more trying to look like the Detroit Red Wings filling the bench with EXPORT. We need to fill this teams vat with some real CANADIAN malt!

  16. Psycho29 says:

    When was the last time a non game day generated almost 1,500 posts????

    • G-Man says:

      I think that was the day the Habs signed Gionta, Cammy and Gill.

    • AliHaba says:

      Wow! You are right. 1483 and counting. Well now that everyone has had a good night’s sleep and were able to digest this head-scratcher can we all not agree that no matter what we all think we know about Habs’ management we all really know nothing.

      For myself (despite the fact that Spacek had two assists (one on the PP) last night), I’m beginning to like the deal slightly. Our PP has been our Achilles’ heel all season. If Kaberle can inject some life there then it’s all good.

    • Danno says:

      This day was a big – June 17, 2010 · 1,282 Comments


      “Hey Richard, two minutes for looking so good!”

  17. RGM says:

    Let’s just say that when my Leafs fan friends are chirping me about taking on Kaberle, I’m apprehensive going in to the project. I am open-minded and if he plays to the level that he did in his prime, awesome, our PP woes will be solved and we can maybe get this season back on track.

    Looking at the bigger picture, unless we get optimum performance out of Kaberle (and outside of a couple guys, who does that statement apply to in Montreal this season?) we have another bad contract that will have serious implications going forward. There are only 12 guys under contract for next year, and among those who are not are Carey Price, Josh Gorges, and PK Subban. I suspect that’ll be $12M-$15M in cap space right there. We’ll be right up on the cap.
    GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

    • G-Man says:

      I find it funny that we here at HIO seem to worry more about cap issues than whether or not the team is improved.

      • RGM says:

        And with good reason. The salary cap dictates how much we can improve this team in years to come. I could care less about the money itself, it’s not my money. But it’s the allotment of the money to particular players that gives me pause. If you look around the NHL and the 2011 signings of free agent forwards, which would you rather have on the team and which do you feel makes the Canadiens better:

        Option A: Scott Gomez $7.37M
        Option B: Simon Gagne ($3.5M) + Troy Brouwer ($2.35M) + Brian Elliott as Price’s backup ($600K)

        Which of these allotments makes a better Habs club?

        This is why the cap matters and why we look at it as hard as we do.

        GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

    • V says:

      Most Leaf fans I speak with thought Kaberle was a pretty good player… last 2 years not so much, but he gave them a ton for the 4 years before that. The situation in Toronto just got bad for him – the whole Muskoka Five thing was pretty disrespectful. He had been an honest soldier for them.

      And when Leaf fans chirp me about Kaberle, I say the magic word… Komisarek.

      I must confess, I can’t get too excited about all the cap/contract stuff. Despite all the talk about it, I have not seen it seriously hinder any teams and it certainly has not hindered the Habs. There are so many ways to manage the cap that most teams work around it. This is just something for reporters to write about even though they have 2% of the acumen that resides in an average NHL gm.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        The problems in Toronto began with Ron Wilson, he didn’t like Kaberle and I don’t blame Kaberle for not liking Ron Wilson. Wilson started the slagging the guy in the media, but Kaberle continued to take the high road and didn’t go there. Then Burke muddied the waters by continuously saying I won’t ask a player to waive his NTC. Everyone knew what Burke was doing, was basically trying to embarrass Kaberle. Kaberle had been a very loyal Leaf and took it very personal how the new regime was treating him, that was the beginning of his decline in T.O.

        He needs to play well, I am not giving Kaberle a free pass, but the guy can skate like the wind and has talent. I think the passion of Montreal may be the elixor he needs.

        • theflower says:

          He was slagged by Ron Wilson and Brian Burke, he was slagged by Peter Chiarelli and Claude Julien, he was slagged by Jim Rutherford etal. Are we sensing a theme here?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            So why did Chiarelli give up so much for him, and why did Julien play him so much in the playoffs? Why did Rutherford sign him then, are sensing a theme of teams giving alot to get him?

          • V says:

            Maybe we are all saying the same thing here.

            He’s far from perfect. Probably a slight upgrade on Spacek with a bit more offensive potential and youth. And it’s a project – most reasoned people are not saying he’s great. They are just saying give it a chance without slagging everyone associated with it first.

            The difference in opinion is largely the different perspectives people bring to the team right now… you seem to think the team is mediocre based on their record. I don’t. I think their record is mediocre and the team is fine… that they have played better than their record. I don’t think the team needs radical surgery, just a nip and tuck here and there. I view the Kaberle trade from that perspective – he’s a guy who might bring a little of something to the table that we needed so let’s see what happens.

  18. ThirtyThree says:

    The main problem I have with Kaberle is that he’s another quiet, soft player. More than anything, even size, this team needs teeth.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree that Kaberle is a quiet, soft player. However, while I am not a big JM supporter, he likes this kind of player and while he is still the coach, it will help him to have players that fit the style he wants the team to play.

      My initial reaction to the trade was one of concern. But having lived in the GTA for the whole time Kaberle was in Toronto I watched a player who was extremely loyal and a good foot soldier for the team. He has skill and vision on the ice. The style of play which the Habs play is a much better fit for him than that of Boston.

      If he is going to succeed the system we play is better suited to him. If indeed he does not fit he can be traded, or perhaps as many suspect a buyout will be allowed with the new CBA.

      I also want players with teeth, but the current coach of this team does not employ such. I think Kaberle will help the powerplay and will give us some good first passes out of our end. I am concerned about his defensive play, but if paired with a Gill or Gorges I think it can work.

      Time will tell.

      I can live with this trade, because most importantly no youth or draft choices were parted with to acquire him.

      • V says:

        Thanks. Sums up my feelings very well.

      • G-Man says:

        It’s not that JM does not want players with teeth; he wants good players. Do you sacrifice having a players that leaves the team exposed defensively because he’s tough? JM thinks not. Emelin is becoming a good example. Improving defensively with BIG hits and playing tough. I wish more forwards would join in on Emelin’s game. Guys like Moen, Pac and Eller should be delivering more clean checks.

        • theflower says:

          @gman that link I posted below was originally posted in the Columbus Dispatch, if you read it. It was just reposted in the 4th period, which is not where the story originated. it was just the first post I found. If you prefer I can look more to get the original post from the Columbus Dispatch if it would make you feel better.

          • G-Man says:

            Your basing that on a tweet from Portzline? That’s the great thing these days about “journalism”. No need for little things, like confirmation.

  19. HabinBurlington says:

    I am not sure I understand how a corporation is allowed to have ownership in more than 1 franchise in the same league? My growing up in Canada makes me a CFL fan, but I have serious reservations about a league where an individual owns 2 teams in an 8 team league. But the NHL is supposed to be one of the Big 4 Pro Sports in North America, how is Bell allowed to own significant portions of the two most storied franchises in the league?

    I recognize in the case of Montreal they are primarily an investor without enough ownership to direct how franchise is run, but still share ownership. Now they are 1 of 2 primary owners of the Leafs?

    Of course to me the funny part of Bell/Rogers purchase of MLSE is how now suddenly both TSN and Sportsnet are pretending that they care about the Raptors again….

  20. CharlieHodgeFan says:

    It’s a wait and see, as ugly as it looks at a first glance. Spacek gave a lot, and Kaberle will take a lot, but it’s not my money so I’ll watch him play and see what he does. He is an upgrade on Spacek as age had caught up. He may also take some pressure off PK, who needs to find his game. That’s a key consideration to me, as Markov’s setbacks have left PK exposed, and the kid’s not experienced enough yet to overcome that.

  21. theflower says:

    Kaberle 9 pts all season,
    Spacek 2 pts last night
    Spacek off the cap this year
    Kaberle 3 years @ 4.5 million
    Kaberle is softer than Spacek
    Kaberle does not shoot on the PP everyone knows this.
    Kaberle’s last 2 coaches complained about his effort and work ethic and general attitude.
    Spacek no complaints on his attitude or work effort.
    Kaberle offered to Nashville plus a draft pick and they said no.

    Both on the wrong side of 30
    Both depreciating in skill

    Young players we can’t resign because of this deal ???

    We have yet to know the true cost of this deal, but there will be one…..

    So how is this good again?

    • V says:

      Don’t agree Kaberle is softer than Spacek – that would be Charmin soft. It’s a toss up there.

      And EOTP analysis shows that Kaberle not shooting is a falacy.

      It’s good because what we had was not working so we try this. Besides, Kaberle may soften the blow of Markov out for two more months – Spacek was not helping with that.

      PG has a pretty good track record at mid-season acquisitions so let’s give it some time.

      • theflower says:

        I am not so concerned of the upside of Kaberle, which based on his recent history will not be much. I am more concerned about the impact this has on the long term future of the franchise. We are already in hot water with all of the players over 30 on long term contracts playing well below their salary levels. Adding another only means that somewhere along the road we will have to lose some youth at the cost of this deal. This is a lame effort at best on PG’s behalf to attempt to save his ass. Whoever has to take over this team this summer, will have one hell of a job fixing all of the mistakes and getting rid of all these big contracts on underachieving over 30ers and keeping our youth.

        • G-Man says:

          This trade is an attempt to improve the PP. Being 7 points behind #4 Penguins after the same amount of games- they have 53 left- makes throwing the season away a lot harder.
          That, coupled with the young players coming up through the farm, precipitated a move. 4.25Mil for a Dman who gets 40+ points per season is the going price.
          Source for your Nashville offer, please.

          • theflower says:

            December 7, 2011 | 11:38am ET

            The Blue Jackets were reportedly offered veteran defenseman Tomas Kaberle from the Carolina Hurricanes in November.
            According to Aaron Portzline of the Columbus Dispatch, the Blue Jackets were offered Kaberle and a second round pick in exchange for center Derick Brassard last month.

            Although Brassard has been a healthy scratch for eight games in the past 11 games, Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson refused the offer.
            The Canes have been looking to get rid of the 33-year-old blueliner they signed to a three-year, $12.75 million contract over the summer.

            In 28 games with the Hurricanes this season, Kaberle has collected seven assists and a minu-11 rating.

            The club has undergone a coaching change to improve their 8-17-4 record, but a trade may be the ultimate solution to shake up the roster

          • G-Man says:

            @the flower
            The 4th period is a joke. I mean a real sports news source, not some stoner blogger.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Well if Ron Wilson didn’t like him that is good enough for me. So Ron Wilson is now the sage people look to for advice. Perhaps we can call Sean Avery and find out what he thinks as well.

      • V says:

        Didn’t you know, Ron Wilson is a genius now. That’s what a few games over .500 will get you.

        The best one is Claude Julien… Habs up 2-0 in last year’s playoff and Julien is considered an idiot by 90% of Bruins fans and Cam Neely in their front office. IMO he was one loss away from being literally turfed out of the building. Now he’s a genius… with much better credentials than Mr. Wilson.

    • WindsorHab-10 says:

      Blah, blah, blah & blah.
      Deal was made, live with it.

      “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  22. Hockey fans are nuts.

    Spacek was going no where on this team.

    Offensive output was ZERO

    If Kaberle can be involved in 6 goals/month, then that can’t be any worse than Spacek. By involved I don’t mean scoring 6 goals per month. But just starting the play in our own end. Getting the puck out clean, tape to tape, and adding to the PP.

    Kaberle 33 years old. 3 year contract (36 years old to Spacek’s 38 right now). Still can play hockey in the NHL ( how many here are 33 and playing in the NHL)

    Spacek 38, good reliable defenseman (you can get those anywhere) and unlike Kaberle IS on the downside of his career.

    Montreal was/maybe is going nowhere. This is a little fix that may or may not work out.

    I’m going with MAY work out until I see different.

    6 extra goals per month. What would that have done the last two months?

    6 extra goals.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon, MB,Canada
    R7B 2R7
    Ph- 204 724 8418

    • V says:

      Dead on.

      We got Kaberle for a player I liked but has not played for us this year and was gone at year’s end in any event.

      Kaberle will be a 4-5 defense men for us here and as such should be just fine along with what he may bring to our PP.

      Contract term means little – he will be easy to off load when the time comes. Let’s sit back and enjoy watching where this goes.

      • theflower says:

        That’s why Rutherford could not offload him to Nashville including a pick, because he is so easy to offload. Ya right! You think it makes sense to pay 4.5 million for a 5th defense? What does he bring to the PP? He does not shoot so nobody covers him at the point. He will be playing for Mr Defensive so that won’t help his cause. He has long been a minus player, so that won’t help. He is soft in his own zone, so that is a liability. What am I supposed to sit back and enjoy?

        • V says:

          Off loading now and next summer are two different things. I will be shocked if his contract becomes an issue for us.

          He does shoot – his not shooting is a fallacy. He is as soft and defensively unreliable as Spacek but with more offensive upside. Specke was not playing for us in any event and left us exposed with 2 raw rookies in our lineup.

          I am going to sit back and enjoy while this plays itself out. That’s the whole point of sports for me… be great if you joined me but you’re free to anguish over this if you like.

          • theflower says:

            We had the 3rd highest payroll in the NHL, now the 2nd, so his contract is already an issue and will continue to be an issue for 3 years. For a team with 11 wins all season, sitting 26th in the league for wins, it’s pathetic, especially when you add that payroll into the mix. Most teams have players under 30 that they are paying big money to. We have players over 30 that we just keep adding to that we are paying big money to. Not the way you build a franchise and definitely not a way to keep our youth. Especially just when Emelin and Diaz are starting to get better and now they will get less icetime to accommodate this has been. Wow, how does that help our youth. Realistically we are a mediocre team at best, our focus should be on promoting our youth for the present and the future, so that in a few years we have a cup contender, not a continuation of this mediocrity that some people here seem to be comfortable with.

      • Exactly. Besides I have a feeling if this season really blows come deadline, Cammi, Gio, Gomez will be moved, and we start all over again with another adventure.

        But wow after almost knocking the B’s out of the playoffs last year to this is kind of unbelievable. Most fans had pretty high expectations….higher than usual.

        The joys of hockey 101.

        Shane Oliver
        Brandon, MB,Canada
        R7B 2R7
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    • The Cat says:

      All the distinctions you make between Kaberle and Spacek are valid. Rutherford though isnt a moron and is no doubt aware of them distinctions as well.

      [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

      • V says:

        Neither Rutherford or PG are morons… this trade could work out well for both of them.

        I will say this, Rutherford did not put much value on Kaberle based on this trade. Will be interesting if Kaberle can prove him wrong.

    • RGM says:

      Two points last night. So much for that lack of offensive output. Ball’s in your court, Mr. Kaberle! LOL

      GO HABS GO! 2011-12 is our year!

  23. LafleurFan says:

    Boonie stated that beer is 7.50 at the ACC, but I paid 12.93.

    Any update on the head-stomping fight at the recent Bruins game?

    “May you live in interesting times.”

  24. habfan53 says:

    I like the trade I think it will help the PP, It will help with experience at the end of the game , will reduce PK’s minutes from 32 to hopefully around 25.
    As for his poor start in Carolina I’ll give him 10 games for cup hangover and 30 games for Rutherford thinking he was getting Chara. Tomas Kaberle IS NOT a number 1 defencemen and that is was is was in Carolina, He can be a very effective number 3 or 4 and that is what he will be here in Montreal.

    to paraphrase Nixon: If the Bruins do it, it is not illegal

  25. chemic says:

    they`re laughing in carolina? well we should all laugh at them. they sign Kaberle instead of Cole and a couple of weeks later, we have both of them… about that.


    Jaroslav Spacek 17:09 1:27 0:39 19:15

    Spacek had a pretty good game for Carolina in a losing cause. Jaroslav had 2 assist and was a plus 1 for tonights game. For a man to travel all day and play that night was impressive for the Canes. He assist on a PP Goal as well.

  27. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Agree with prudent posters below and will suppress my knee-jerk for a few weeks and see how Kaberle gets on.

    Meanwhile, a serious question: what are the criteria for sacking a coach, and are those criteria different in Montreal?

    I don’t it can be argued that JM is simply trying to make the most of the hand he’s been dealt. I think he’s trying to impose an ill-fitting system on a team with strengths different from the ones he requires (and which therefore are being wasted).

    Any thoughts?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Having seen the flame-outs of Carbonneau, Therrien and Mario Tremblay, among others, I think Martin’s ability to keep things on an even keel is impressive.

      Don’t underestimate how hard the job is in Montreal. Just look at 80% of the comments on here.

  28. LafleurFan says:

    Comment no. 1,443 and maybe the last on this thread:

    Managing the performance of a team is like playing chess. When the play is going well, the moves are conservative. When the opposite is happening, radical actions are called for.

    The status quo (pre-Kaberle) was destined for a .400 record.

    .500 is not awe-inspiring but clearly an improvement.

    Burying Gomez in the minors will appease many, but whose roster spot exactly is he obstucting, Palushaj?, Louie’s?

    What I will enjoy from this season is the evolution of skill from Max-Pac, Subbie, and Priceless.

    Also, some upsets in the playoffs, cause this team will not be the favourite in any match-up.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Bob_Sacamano says:

      That´s not the point. Gomez has to go after this season because his money is needed to sign Subban, Price and others.

      • LafleurFan says:

        No real disagreement from me, but consider:
        Did Gomez’s 7.4 stop PG from going after Brad Richards?
        What premium UFAs are available next year?

        For the current season, Gomez will have to be part of any 12 forward group PG can put together, unless there’s a Markus Naslund for Alex Stoichanov trade to be had.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • LafleurFan says:

        No disagreement. Next season’s team shouldn’t include Gomez, but currently he would be part of any group of 12 forwards that can be assembled, unless there’s a Markus Naslund for Alex Stoichanov trade to be had.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • LafleurFan says:

        Agree Gomes shouldn’t be here next year, but unless there’s a Markus Naslund for Alex Stoichanov trade to be had, Gomez will be part of any best available 12 forwards list for us.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

  29. j2w4habs25 says:


    Carey Price #31

  30. 86ontheice says:

    $11.5 million commited to Gomez and Kaberle. Where’s the money for Subban and Price gonna come from next year?

  31. matt jordan says:

    Pierre Gauthier is doing to this team what Darryl Sutter did to Calgary and JFJ did to Toronto.

    If it wasn’t for Trevor Timmins….

  32. Klondike Habs Fan says:

    Lets all relax, this might be the best trade of the year!

  33. NCRhabsfan says:

    At least he’s not a smurf. He brings decent size even if he’s not a physical dman. Let’s let him play 5 or 10 games, then we can either deify or lynch PG.

  34. WindsorHab-10 says:

    I’ve always liked Kaberle when he played for the Leafs & hoped that one day he’ll be in a Habs uniform. I know he sucked in Boston & Carolina but I think this was a good trade for us contract and all.

    “Hate Bruins like a sickness”

  35. habs001 says:

    The key to some success is the pp..we are scoring more 5 on 5 than previous years but because of the terrible pp our scoring has remained in the same ranking vs the rest of the teams..Kabarle will help but it is funny how basically every poster was negative on him last year when the leafs were trying to trade him ..

    • Habsolutely says:

      he’s a superstar now that he’s a hab.

      • deuce6 says:

        I always thought Kaberle was a good player…Don’t put us all in the same boat…He will help this team..


        Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

    • Everlasting1 says:

      So true. Bashing him as a non Hab, then welcoming/praising him for being here. Pathetically desperate, really. Did we mention he was a Leaf? A Bruin? Everyone would welcome Chara and praise him too!

      “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

      “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

  36. slychard says:

    Kaberle? Really? Jesus!
    I read about the trade just before going on my late shift at work…
    it was NOT a good night.
    Why dump one year for two more! It’s mind boggling! Truly! I’d have kept Spacek for one before taking on Kaberle for another two any F’n day, ANY F’n day! Without thinking twice! I’m sorry for excessively using exclamation points but I have no other alternatives! It’s a F’n head scratch’er at best! Truly! I am at odds with the team I grew up rooting for and the philosophy under the current management. I am at odds! They are laughing in Toronto, Boston and especially in Carolina! That is the true insult! F U Gautier! I tried, but you are a hack! A F’N HACK! LEAVE! I am in total shock!

    Kiss my hAbSS!!!

    • Jonson says:

      wow, you really dont watch hockey eh?

      • slychard says:

        I not only watch it, I played it…how about you. And your point being?

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • slychard says:

        No point. Yeah, that’s what I figure. Go be PG’s intern…you be perfect.

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • Jonson says:

          my point is that if you think spacek is better than kaberle than you cant be watching. 47 points last year. why is that so bad? tell me one montreal dman from last year who had more than 47 points? 4 time allstar. 11 points in the playoffs. staal was a -18 this year in fact pretty much the whole team is in the negative. whats so bad about having kaberle?

          • J.Ambrose.OBrien says:

            How about these numbers: -40 plus/minus over the last 4 seasons. That makes even Gomez look like a defensive specialist. Spacek? Hasn’t had a minus season for 7 years. How you can even dream that Kaberle is a good defenseman is beyond me. And that doesn’t even begin to address the contractual madness of this signing.

            I swear, there are far too many people here eager to sip the kool-aid.

            I remember Dec. 31, 1975

      • Everlasting1 says:

        The Habs’ woes goes a lot deeper than any one more irrelevent trade/acquisition. See the countless posts’s about C-O-A-C-H-I-N-G, and lack of managerial direction and accountability. The fans have had enough of this tiring merry-go-round roster changes.

        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • matt jordan says:

          this has to be your most accurate post ever. good on ya

        • slychard says:

          There’s a real “comeback” JONSON! Thank you EVERLASTING!

          Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            There’s no learning curve with some people.

            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

          • Jonson says:

            geez guys i wish i was as smart as you……lets see what youll be saying in 2 weeks when he plays like he did in toronto

          • slychard says:

            Look JONSON I have nothing against ya, but in the end the deal was not one I would have made CONSIDERING the money involved within the contracts. No, in the long run it was a mistake by PG, a BIG mistake.

            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Everlasting1 says:

            Even if he wows for two weeks, it’s not gonna address the underlying problems, and won’t be a long term solution. Not ruling out the possibility of management working on putting together a blockbuster trade package involving him. To be forever continued..

            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

    • deuce6 says:

      Yea, and I recall those same fans laughing at us when we dealt Halak as well..

      This was a good deal for the Habs and I am one of the most critical of PG…He gave up a 38 year old UFA for a 40-50 point d-man and a PP QB…The guy can set a tee for Subban..

      We took on 500k by doing this and no future assets were dealt…I would rather this kind of deal than one where we give up picks or prospects…Don’t you?


      Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

      • slychard says:

        Awwwww Deuce, Deuce Biggalo and the cigar. I welcomed the Halak trade, it made sense. Not this one. No. Go deeper into the salary top hat and the lenght…think about it.

        Kiss my hAbSS!!!

        • deuce6 says:

          Tell me what doesn’t make sense? Standing pat and watching this team go 1 for 35 on the PP and doing nothing? That makes sense? We let go a player that was extra swag and got a top 4 defenceman with offensive capabilities in return..We gave up none of our youth or future picks..Don’t worry about the cap, we will cross that bridge we we get there…

          As much as I don’t approve of the way PG has been running this team, I agree with this decision…


          Yes, I’m a Hab fan..Wanna fight about it?

          • slychard says:

            Uggg, OK, I will shield my eyes and hope for the best.

            Kiss my hAbSS!!!

      • Everlasting1 says:

        So you’ve accepted mediocrity until Eller pans out for you (hopefully) in 3-4 years? You’re a good fan.
        Halak was a salary dump on an already tight cap.

        “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

        “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • slychard says:

          jeez ever, not sure if u r hate on me but i like u r new avatar

          Kiss my hAbSS!!!

          • Everlasting1 says:


            “For I will go through the land of Egypt on that night, and will smite all the first-born in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; and against all the Gods of Egypt I will execute judgments: I am the LORD.” Exodus 12:12

            “We don’t see things as they are, but as we are.” – Anais Nin

        • V says:

          Halak was not a salary dump.

    • salsadog says:

      Look, all kidding aside. This guy just nailed it. Columbus comes in and look like the Red Army against Les Glorieux. They come at us in waves. The Jackets. Please. Somebody save me.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “They are laughing in Toronto, Boston and especially in Carolina! That is the true insult!”
      That sums it up. To many, what’s more important than Habs wins and losses is whether or not TV blockheads praise the team.

  37. Chuck says:

    Gee thanks, Spatch. If Kaberle doesn’t net two points in NJ, this trade will officially go down as the worst in Hab history. 😉

  38. Stev.R says:

    Lets imagine if everyone plays their best. Lets say Subban turns it around. Kaberle comes in motivated. Campoli plays like Gorges with a bit more offense. And Markov returns 100%.

    Markov – Subban
    Kaberle – Campoli
    Gorges – Gill

    That’s hot

  39. Bozo McBozo says:

    Who gives a rat’s ass damn? They suck! Tank for glory!

  40. deggy24 says:

    Kaberle in his prime equals Markov in his prime minus 1.5, on a scale of ten. Wierd move, especially with Campoli who has some great skill.
    We need a CBA where you can pass on some cap. You take Gomer and we’ll take a cap hit of 3, you take one of 4.
    We need either 3 new players, or an attacking, cross-functional strategy. Every forward can play defense, every defensemen is free to attack. Defensemen gets stuck in attack, winger plays defense. We’ve got to play in the oppisitons end more, short passes on the way up, all there is to it.
    Spacek, fantastic player, couldn’t do the back to backs, but a black belt for sure. Gold medal winner, humorist, and dignified hab. He is in the lineup the last week, we got maybe one or two more points.

    Habs Win!

  41. t1tan5 says:

    Re-post from the other thread:

    Look at a few plus points: Kaberle, while having a couple years left on his contract, is FOUR years junior to Spacek. Therefore by the end of the deal, Kaberle will still be younger than Spacek is now. Spacek has not been effective at all this season and neither has Kaberle. Maybe a change of scenery is exactly what the doctor ordered for the two Czech defensemen. If Kaberle returns to pre-Boston form, this deal would be a friggin steal. He will be put in a situation where he won’t have to play in all scenarios. He is here for a purpose (PP and 5 v 5 breakout) whereas in Carolina, he was the end-all be-all guy. He will play manageable minutes on the second pairing (third when Markov comes back) and on the first PP wave (second when Markov comes back). I think he has been placed in a favourable situation where he can succeed.

    • Mike D says:

      Didn’t you say “plus points” about the Kaberle deal?

      The end of your paragraph says Kabs will play 2nd pairing minutes now and 3rd when Marky returns……so we’re paying a bottom-pairing Dman 4.25mil for 2.5 more years?

      Where’s the plus point again?

      – Honestly yours

      • t1tan5 says:

        As I said, he will play manageable minutes and will not be looked upon for all the answers. If he does his job (resurrect the PP and play efficient 5 v 5 hockey with a good first pass), it’ll be worth it.

  42. Neutral says:

    we have two balanced lines for saturday – 1st, and 2nd
    The 3rd’s not bad – The 4th – Sad.
    with Kaberle – The “D” won’t be any worse – our man Price will keep us in there – just have to get a few goals for him and don’t blow it this time round….

  43. Jonson says:


    everyone bashing this move by PG are all (deleted)

    we just got what we needed so you all need to get your heads out your butts and quit complaining for the sake of complaining.

    so he hasnt been great in the last what… 40 games. he had close to 50 points last season…. HELLO are you all that dumb??? he averaged about 13 mins last year with boston what do you expect from him playing limited mins on a team that had a bolstered defence core to start with. -12 in his first 29 games on one of the worst teams in the league along with eric staal who is a -18, larose -14, pitkanen -10, skinner -6. clearly it was a problem with the team not Kaberle.

    A change of scenery will help him out along with the fact that montreal is a good team with a great goalie.

    This is a really good trade, so get over it. DID NOONE WATCH HIM BURN MONTREAL OVER AND OVER AGAIN?


    ps. boone dude wake up. if you dont like the habs you shouldnt be working for them.

    • Stev.R says:

      I think that the combination of the Stanley Cup hangover, the fact he played for a terrible team, in a city he didn’t want to go to, with a GM that blasted him every chance he got, had something to do with a lackluster performance so far this year.

      Not to mention that (according to a friend who is die hard Kaberle/Leafs fan) he was wasn’t used properly on the PP in Boston or in Carolina.

      I think he is going to come to Montreal energized (maybe not tomorrow due to fatigue from travel), and motivated. He played in Toronto for years so he has to be used to some pressure right. And I guarantee you that he will be treated better by PG than how Burke, Rutherford and the Boston GM ever treated him.

    • chilli says:

      Thank You Jonson. I totally agree.

      Oh, haters, Spacek 2 assists tonight! FLEECE!

      Kaberle immediately becomes our best defenseman. Stop being so insular. Many other teams have the same problem as us. Tampa fans want Boucher GONE. The great Yzerman has them 3 points behind the Habs.

      We just got better a better D-man for a worse D-man. Montreal must ALWAYS overpay for players. Always. Just a fact.


  44. Trisomy 21 says:

    Spacek’s first game back from injury as a ‘Cane and he gets 2 assists, +1 while losing 4-2. Almost 20 minutes of ice time. Good for the guy. I’ll miss his interviews and it sounds like the Habs will miss his personality.

  45. Neutral says:

    JM – demoted max-pac to 2nd line – must be trying to balance the lines.

  46. montreal ace says:

    I was just reading that Pronger has developed concussion like symptoms, while recuperating from a knee injury. I have found that the flyers have been very adapt, at managing the cap through injuries.

  47. slamtherimtim says:

    WOW just got back from Jamaica , PG and JM still have a job , markov aint playing , and we get Karbele for 3 more years , season is over , see you next year , gonna go smoke some ganja man,

  48. Hockey Bob says:

    Have a bad contract to move? Call the Montreal Canadiens and they would oblige.
    How sad to hear Rutherford slam Kaberle and say if he doesn’t pick things up he is gone, and then after getting rid of him he comments I can’t believe I was able to move that contract.

    A ton to Gomez who sucks, a ton to Markov who is done, over pay to Gionta who is done and to Cammaleri who is more interested in pushing his health crap and getting his nails done.

    Leafs Rule

  49. ProHabs says:

    I used to laugh at how stupid the GM’s around the league were. It isn’t so funny now when one of those stupid GM is the one in charge of your team.

  50. Neutral says:

    Kaberle – is not much of a goal scorer but he can put up points when he plays the way he can play – I don’t think it’s that bad of a deal – not like we’re gonna win a cup anytime soon.
    I’ll keep telling JM to put AK on the 1st line and Gionta on the 3rd and you’ll see a difference not enough to win a cup – maybe make the playoffs. gotta have good D – Good goaltending and four lines that produce to have a chance at winning a cup.

  51. twocents says:

    …and whatever happened to McGuire’s bird team deal that would put us over the top?

  52. twocents says:

    I say give him a spin and see what happens. Nothing much lost. His contract is movable if need be.

    What’s funny is that some people who are panning this trade are the same ones who insisted Spacek was unmovable. You were wrong there, what makes you think you’re right this time?

    What I note, is that we have taken step one in my three part plan to change the culture of this team. Next, move Gionta and move or bury Gomez. Turn the leadership to the youth and watch this team play to it’s potential.

    • HardHabits says:

      If the Habs did that I would laud this move but I see this as being a job saver. It all depends what happens moving forward but this stinks at first glance. It is a gamble as others have noted but my fear is that the Habs are an on a losing streak gambler at the Casino who is contemplating reaching into his back pocket and emptying his bank account on a few more bets.

      • twocents says:

        I think, considering what was given up, people are being melodramatic.

        Let’s see how he fits. If he revives the PP, this team will start winning on a regular basis.

        Even if we become average PP wise, teams will have to play us differently.

    • krob1000 says:

      I like the trade…a steal IMO….an absolute steal. A chance it fixes the pp and helps move the puck at 5 on 5, 2 year insurance policy for Markov, trade bait if need be, affordable despite what some say I would rather give Kaberle 4.25 than Gorges. We gave up nothing this is basically a free agent signing and if at the beginning of the season we had dumped Spacek for a late pick and signed kaberle I would have been happy even at 4.25. Signing Cole for 4 years who is older and has had more than his fair share of injuries and off years was riskier…and he is working out just fine.
      It is a good move. I love knocking Habs management…they have made it easy over the years but this one just doesnt make sense …he is a perfect fit right now in theory.
      Letès knock JM for his bizarro decisions, let us knock Gomer, Gill, Darche(this years version), Moen (this is the first time he has ever been worth his salt and it is a contract year), etc …but knock a consistent 40-50 point dman when our best pp dman is injured and may never return, we get him for nothing and people complain….it makes no sense to me.

  53. ProHabs says:

    From the sounds of all the chatter around the NHL today, the Habs are the laughingstock of the league. Hockey people cannot believe the team would take on such a bad contract, especially with the Gomez contract already. Could the Habs not gotten a high draft pick or some kind of prospect (like the Rangers did when they got McDonagh) thrown into the deal. The once proud franchise is now the joke of the NHL.

  54. C_exacte says:

    Spacho’s already got 2 assists tonight, this doesn’t bode well.

  55. joeybarrie says:

    Whats that??? 2 assists on 2 goals for Carolina tonight????? Spacek is determined to see how bad a move this is………..
    Actually, I think its a good move. I will say though im not so happy with the length of the contract. That being said he is only 33 and has gotten over 45 points in 5 of his last 6 seasons….. ON A NON PLAYOFF TEAM
    Bigger than Spach. This could be a great thing.
    Kids are gonna learn from him.
    This isnt bad

    There may be other teams, but only ONE Club De Hockey…

  56. Muckbringer says:
    Conan: For us, there is no spring. Just the wind that smells fresh before the here another day. In even worse company.
    Conan: For us, there is no spring. Just the wind that smells fresh before the storm.

    ha ha vid i well!

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