Habs trade Danny Kristo to Rangers; Lecavalier going to Flyers

The Canadiens announced on Tuesday afternoon that they have traded Danny Kristo to the New York Rangers in exchange for right-winger Christian Thomas.

Kristo, the Canadiens’ second-round draft pick in 2008 (56th overall) posted 26-26-52 totals in 40 games last season with the University of North Dakota and was a finalist for the Hobey Baker Award, which goes to the outstanding player in NCAA hockey.

Thomas, a 5-foot-9, 170-pounder, posted 19-16-35 totals in 73 games with the AHL’s Connecticut Whale and played one game with the Rangers last season, going pointless against the Canadiens on Feb. 23. He was the Rangers’ second-round draft pick (40th overall) in 2010. Thomas is the son of Steve Thomas, who played 20 seasons in the NHL.

Meanwhile, TSN reported on Tuesday evening that free-agent Vinny Lecavalier has agreed to a five-year, $22.5-million deal with the Philadelphia Flyers that includes a full no-movement clause. Under new NHL rules this season, following the lockout, teams were permitted to talk to players and their agents as early as July 1, but no contracts can be signed until July 5.

Christian Thomas is a gifted goal scorer with lots of speed,” Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin said in a statement. “He has been very productive offensively at the junior level with 137 goals before adding 19 more as a rookie with Connecticut in the AHL last season. This young 21-year old forward has shown tremendous character.” 

Thomas, who is from Toronto, played junior hockey with the OHL’s London Knights and Oshawa Generals, registering 257 points (137 goals, 120 assists) in 244 regular-season games from 2008 to 2012.

Tuesday was also the deadline for teams to extend qualifying offers to their restricted free agents. Ryan White, Gabriel Dumont and goaltenders Dustin Tokarski and Robert Mayer were all qualified by the Canadiens, while defenceman Yannick Weber, who was a healthy scratch most of last season, was not and becomes an unrestricted free agent. Bergevin tried to trade Weber, but there were no takers and he’s giving the 24-year-old a chance to revive his career elsewhere. Forward Ian Schultz and defenceman Joe Stejskal also became UFAs when the Canadiens didn’t offer them contracts.

The Canadiens open their annual development camp on Wednesday morning in Brossard with 56 players taking part. The camp runs until Sunday. Twenty-eight of the players in camp were drafted by the Canadiens, including all eight picks from Sunday’s 2013 NHL draft. The featured attractions will be first-round pick Michael McCarron and second-round pick Zach Fucale, the first goaltender selected at the draft. Four players who have already seen action with the Canadiens — Jarred Tinordi, Nathan Beaulieu, Greg Pateryn and Louis Leblanc — will also take part in the camp.

All players will participate in off-ice testing at Brossard’s Bell Sports Complex on Wednesday, beginning at 8:30 a.m.. The first on-ice practice session will start at 4:30 p.m.

On-ice practice sessions (three groups) will take place in the morning for the reminder of the camp, with scrimmages at the end of the day. A two-team intrasquad game will be played on Sunday at 9:30 a.m.

All practices are open to the public.

(Photo by Phil Carpenter/The Gazette)

Lecavalier goes to Flyers, Habs trade Kristo, by Pat Hickey

McCarron loaded with potential, ex-coach says, by Brenda Branswell

56 players to take part in development camp (with roster), canadiens.com

Top 25 free agents, canadiens.com

Bergevin tries to follow Blackhawks’ blueprint, NHL.com

Canadiens given grade of ‘A’ for NHL draft performance, SI.com

A salute to NHL scouts, SI.com

Letang agrees to eight year, $58-million deal with Penguins, NHL.com

1,591 Comments

  1. Un Canadien errant says:

    So after a few days to recuperate and ponder, I want to revisit the Canadiens’ draft and re-state my position that, in my uninformed ‘fan who read lots of blogs and mock drafts’ opinion, an opportunity was lost to even out the prospect mix and team makeup, and precious resources were squandered.

    I base this opinion on the fact that the NHL is ever more turning into a SmashUp Derby game, a contest of attrition, where a player’s ability to ‘finish his checks’ and endure crosschecks and facewashes in front of the net after the whistle has blown trumps his puck skills. While I bemoaned this for years, I’ve surrendered, and acknowledge that if the Canadiens want to be competitive, they need to add some size and toughness to their lineup.

    The Canadiens tried to fight the good fight, and promote a fan-friendly style that hearkened back to the Flying Frenchmen days. Bob Gainey memorably in 2009 tried to overhaul the roster and acquired small but speedy forwards Scott Gomez, Brian Gionta and Mike Cammalleri, in an attempt to overwhelm the League with quickness. While there were some successes, other teams took advantage of our smaller players with attempts to intimidate and outright assaults, like, for example, when big friggin’ hero Greg Campbell picked his spot and attacked Tom Pyatt, unprovoked, and beat his face to a pulp with the aid of an elbow pad. Greg’s daddy, the abysmal Colin Campbell, ruled it a hockey play.

    Ultimately, Gainey’s ‘Virage Vitesse’ was unsuccessful for a few reasons. It became apparent that, especially during the playoffs, the referees are loathe to call interference penalties, and any quickness advantage the Canadiens had was nullified by the slashing and crosschecking they endured at the hands of their bigger, stronger opponents. While the Canadiens had heart and could be successful, they had to have stellar goaltending and a lethal powerplay to win, and it’s hard to rely on these factors.

    While Marc Bergevin attempted last summer to add size, character and toughness by signing unrestricted free agents Brandon Prust, Colby Armstrong and Francis Bouillon, players who would play a grittier style but still be able to play the Canadiens way, it was shown to not be enough in the playoffs, when the massive Senators defencemen took untold liberties on the smaller Canadiens forwards. Chris Neil made a practice during scrums in front of the net after the whistle, of grabbing Brendan Gallagher’s head and trying to tuck it under his arm like it was a rugby ball. It took five or so incidents for the refs to finally call it as the penalty it was, to Mr. Neil’s scowly astonishment (granted, it doesn’t take much to confuse him).

    So we’re reduced to joining the arms race, and transforming our roster with a healthy injection of truculence, belligerence, ill-temper, bellicosity, hostility, pugnacity, testosterone, and whatever else Brian Burke wants to call it. This isn’t entirely a new practice for the Canadiens. In the past, while the team was populated with talented players, there was a brace of big, physical players who could cool the ardour of opposition tough guys, such as Pierre Bouchard, Gilles Lupien, Rick Chartraw, Kent Carlson, Chris Nilan, John Kordic. There were physical defencemen who cleared the crease and played as tough as anyone, like Larry Robinson, Rod Langway, Craig Ludwig, Donald Dufresne, Lyle Odelein. There were talented d-men who could hit and fight when needed, who didn’t shrink when the going got tough, players like Serge Savard, Bill Nyrop, Guy Lapointe, Chris Chelios, Sylvain Lefebvre, Éric Desjardins. There were physical forwards in the same mold, guys who could play hockey and score goals, but also accommodate the opposition if they wanted to drag the game in the gutter, guys like Yvon Lambert, Mario Tremblay, Doug Risebrough, Bob Gainey, Claude Lemieux, Mike Keane, Brian Skrudland, Dave Maley, Mike McPhee. The Canadiens could play it any way the opposition wanted, and couldn’t be intimidated, much as the Flyers and the Bruins tried.

    So that’s the tack that I hoped the Canadiens would adopt, to have a few bigger guys in the lineup to surround the slighter, more skilled guys, like the Bruins do with Sean Thornton, Milan Lucic and Zdeno Chara, among others, or the Blackhawks do with Brent Seabrook, Brian Bickell among other towers and tough guys to protect Patrick Kane and Duncan Keith.

    Looking at our roster in Hamilton, we see a forward lineup of average or undersized players, with skill and speed and character, but who won’t help the Canadiens measure up to the Kings and Blues or Bruins. There’s no immediate help on the farm in that department. While we have lots of two-way skaters, and some scorers in the pipeline, we’re seriously deficient in any players with impressive size beyond Jarred Tinordi and Steve Quailer. Our defencemen prospects like Nathan Beaulieu, Darren Dietz and Dalton Thrower, while they play a physical style, are going to be comparatively undersized, as the NHL’s Mendoza Line for defencemen is trending towards 6’2″, as described in this post in which I explored the need for the Canadiens to get bigger.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/do-canadiens-need-to-get-bigger.html

    Of course, our timing couldn’t have been better with this year’s draft, as it had a lot of local players with impressive size and skill, and lots of bigger forwards who could be developed in the first two rounds. All we needed to do was focus on players with that size and physical style, pick up six or seven such players, and then develop the hell out of them, and hope that two or (fingers crossed) three of them pan out.

    Instead, I was crestfallen to see the Canadiens go again with a ‘best player available’ philosophy that is no longer applicable to today’s NHL. While we’re still looking for the most skilled player, the guy with the best skating and puck skills, the modern definition of ‘best player available’ should include the likeliness that the player can survive the goonery and slashitude of the AHL and NHL. I fear we’re using an antiquated drafting philosophy, while the rest of the league, from the Board of Governors to the Hockey Operations Department to the Competition Committee to the referees have moved on to the modern survival-of-the-fittest hockey-is-war definition.

    So with that context, and that proviso that I went in with expectations that were going to be dashed, here is my critique of the Canadiens 2013 draft, using some of the comments (in italics) I posted during the draft, as I tried to do my version of a ‘Liveblog’.

    - Pick #25: The Canadiens pick Michael McCarron, a 6’5″ winger out of the U.S. National Team Development Program. He was ranked as an early second-rounder. Big size, aggressiveness, skill is a bit in question.

    Sure, he’ll bring size and toughness, but we kind of scoffed at Tom Wilson and Tyler Biggs the last two drafts, so I’m not sure why this guy is any better.

    In Trevor Timmins I trust. Ommmmmmm…

    - The fact that the Canadiens had a jersey with Michael McCarron’s name on it is an indication that they chose a guy who they wanted, and not just as a reaction to all their guys being snapped up. So there’s that.

    I’d advocated the previous week that the Canadiens should trade down if any of the three next level LHJMQ picks after Nathan McKinnon and Jonathan Drouin, namely Anthony Mantha, Frédérik Gauthier and Samuel Morin, were unavailable once we got to #25 (http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/if-mantha-gauthier-and-morin-are-taken.html). This would allow us to pick up another 2nd rounder plus another asset and dive into the pool of big forwards, most from the USNTDP, who were to be found there. I also had designs on Jonathan Ismaël Diaby, a towering project of a defenceman, already an imposing physical specimen at 18 years old. I felt an extra second rounder plus a later pick would allow the Canadiens to ‘reach’ for Mr. Diaby.

    Instead, the Canadiens decided to play it safe, keep the pick and grab the guy they wanted, if the lettered jersey is any indication. I felt this was a safe pick, in that they probably feared he would be gone if they waited until #34. So they decided to not get cute and keep the bird in hand. Some fans and analysts harp on the fact that he has questionable talent, but let’s be realistic, if he had the puck skills of an Eric Lindros, or even a Keith Primeau, at his size, he would have been gone by pick #5, so we should be content with him at #25. All that remains is for Martin Lapointe to figure out the best way for him to develop, either at Western Michigan in the NCAA or with the London Knights in the OHL.

    - Pick #34: We get Jacob De la Rose, a guy who got lots of hype, good size. Swedes I find tend to be undervalued compared to CHL players, so I’m happy with this pick.

    Another pick I was happy with, in that the writeups on Jacob De la Rose were impressive, and seemed to indicate a player with good skating, good size, some scoring talent, an inclination to deliver bodychecks and great hockey sense. He seems to be a safe bet to be a second or third-liner, and if he can be an Yvon Lambert-type of player, a guy who plays hard in both ends of the ice, brings toughness and pots timely goals, we’re ecstatic.

    - Pick #36: The Canadiens draft Zachary Fucale. Not necessarily happy with this pick, but I have to trust their judgment on this one. I would have preferred another sizeable forward or defenceman. Taking the best goalie in this class this low is a steal I guess.

    With these comments I tipped my hand and showed how much I wanted a bigger, talented forward picked here, again to inject some size in the prospect mix, and right the current imbalance. I was hoping that Trevor Timmins would snag a scoring winger like Valentin Zykov or William Carrier. With time, I’ve grown to like this pick very much, the reports on Mr. Fucale are very encouraging, in terms of the talent he has, his attitude and character, and the fact that he has been the starting goaltender on a championship team for two seasons now. This is quite a lot of experience and work for a seventeen-year-old.

    The Canadiens have needed a frontline goaltending prospect for a couple of years now, and Zach Fucale fills that bill, at an unexpected low price. It’s a pleasant surprise to get the highest-ranked goalie this far down the draft, and he could turn out to be a major piece of the team in the future, and the best pick in this draft.

    And it now takes us to the first of many disappointments:

    - Pick #54: A puzzling pick, the Canadians grab Arturri Lehkonen. Not happy. He plays the role already filled by Sebastian Collberg and Charles Hudon.

    My comments at the time say it all. I felt he was the proverbial ice machine to the Inuit, more of what we already had. Since then, I’ve had the opportunity to acquaint myself with this prospect more, and while some aspects are enticing, such as his play against grown men in the Finnish league, and his obvious skill with the puck, others are worrisome, like his frail build, and his concussions sustained last season.

    Meanwhile:

    - And William Carrier, a bigger homeboy, is snapped up the very next pick by St. Louis. As a very uninformed fan, I’m disappointed we didn’t take him instead of the Finnish pipsqueak we got.

    - Actually, Marc-Olivier Roy went to Edmonton before the Blues picked Mr. Carrier. My point remains.

    …and, I kept raving…

    - Talent is being proven to be unimportant, a marginal consideration by the current state of the NHL with its laissez-faire refereeing. Talent is wiped out by size. Mr. Lehkonen will have to work hard to prove me wrong, but in this day and age, I think it’s a wasted pick.

    So I’m going to stand by my original objection. Mr. Lehkonen could well turn out to be an inspired pick, and be a star, but so could any one of the bigger forwards available at this point, the two local boys previously listed, or buzzsaw Nicholas Baptiste of the OHL, or 6’3″ LW Zachary Sanford, to name a few. I admit I never saw any of these players in question actually play, but if we had to pick out of a cluster of prospects who grade relatively equally, we should have taken the players whose skillset we lacked, as opposed to the ones who are clones of those we already have.

    Some will reflexively bark “Best player available!” as a justification for this pick, but I will counter that the Canadiens weren’t taking the BPA, they drafted nothing but forwards except for one goalie. So obviously they wanted to right the prospect imbalance in Hamilton, which is going to be knee-deep in D-men this fall, and applied themselves to that. I contend they should have applied themselves to improving the size makeup on the farm as well.

    And despite the stated plethora of defencemen in the system, so much so that we can allow Yannick Weber to walk away as a UFA instead of locking him up with a qualifying offer, we should have targeted Jonathan Ismaël Diaby. You don’t let a 6’5″ 250 lbs homeboy defenceman with a mean streak slip through your fingers, when your system is woefully thin on such players. You don’t blink or overthink or wait and see if he’ll fall down the draft into your lap, you grab that guy, instead of the small longshot from overseas. Mr. Diaby could have been the tough crease-clearing #5 or 6 d-man of the future, who brought some snarl to the back end and imposed some respect for Carey Price, who is too often treated as a beanbag chair the way opponents collapse on him.

    Not drafting Jonathan Ismaël Diaby was a tremendous waste of an opportunity, who would have ticked off many needs off our list. With the proper development, he could at worst have played the role Gilles Lupien used to fill, the #6 defenceman-enforcer who can take care of his own end and play a regular shift. His ceiling is probably higher than that minimum expectation though. Judging from the scouting reports and his progression this season, it’s likely that he’s done growing and is now getting his coordination back after the growth spurt, and that his skills will catch up with his size, and he’ll keep improving beyond just being a big tough player.

    - Pick #71: To help us forget about Erik Cole, with the third-rounder we got from them, we pick up Connor Crisp, an overage Junior with massive size but little talent to speak of.

    We’ve got this weird pendulum swinging back and forth, with size but no skill at one end, and skill in a very small package at the other. McCarron, to Lehkonen, to Crisp.

    It’s hard to argue with this pick, while I’m trying to argue that we should have targeted size at this draft. The kid is big and will play physical. He’s a long shot to make the Canadiens, but let’s plug him in the system and coach him up and see what happens.

    But then…

    - Pick #86: Sven Andrighetto, an overaged 5’9″ forward at #86. I’m going to barf.

    This was supposed to be an opportunity to correct the size imbalance in our system, with an injection of bigger players to surround those smaller, less physical prospects already on the farm. We’re failing miserably at that.

    Mason Geertsen is still on the board, and we let him go for this guy.

    This isn’t fun any more.

    Again, a puzzling pick, a small player who will be disadvantaged in the NHL as it is currently being run. Further, it’s overkill to take another risk on this type of player, when we did so in the last round.

    Now, I’m familiar with Sven Andrighetto, a Québec-based blogger swears by him and sang his praises all season, but it’s still a huge gamble. The kid may be ‘big for his size’ and have all the skill in the world, but he’s been passed over two years in a row in the draft. For all the stockiness he has, so does Brendan Gallagher, and he was mauled by the Senators during the playoffs.

    There were arguments that he was chosen precisely because of his age and status as an overager, so that he will be able to go to Hamilton this very fall, and chip in some offence, but again, he’s another young, smaller kid joining a team full of them. Not a good mix.

    Philosophically, this was a bad pick, a bad bet on the wrong horse. We’ve already put down a bet on a longshot at #54. There were better options. such as Hudson Fasching or Anton Slepyshev, big talented forwards who can score and who fell in the draft, and again would have been a better complement to our prospects.

    My personal favourite, big, tough, nasty Mason Geertsen of the Vancouver Giants, a player who is not loaded with talent but has lots of heart and plays really hard, was still available, and again would have improved our size profile on the blue line. If one of him or Mr. Diaby panned out, we’d have a good complementary piece. If both did, we’d be laughing.

    A safer pick might also have been Jackson Houck, also of the Giants, and he could have been the Doug Risebrough-type of player, with decent size at 6′, 190 lbs and a lot of snarl to his game, and leadership skills. While Louis Leblanc reportedly balks at being groomed as a third-line checker, this kid would embrace the role and give it all he has.

    But…

    Mason Geertsen goes top of the fourth, 93rd overall to the Avalanche. His Vancouver Giants teammate Jackson Houck goes next to the Oilers. Right around where I thought Mr. Geertsen would go, we should have grabbed him with our second third-round pick. Mr. Houck I’m not so high on, think he’s the second coming of Mike Hough, but some analysts thought he might go in the second round, which was insane. Fourth round is appropriate for him also.

    I was starting to lose it:

    - It’s much too early to pronounce on this draft, but I’m waffling between a debacle or a fiasco.

    Sure, some hyperbole, a little levity to lighten up the proceedings, except…

    - Pick #116: And I pronounced it as such before I found out we’d drafted Martin Reway, a 5’9″ forward who scored 22 goals in the LHJMQ this year.

    Debacle? Fiasco? So hard to make the call.

    En français, on dirait ‘une débandade.’

    - Let me restate that the only reason these mini-players are available is because every other team understands that, as skilled as they are, the refs and Jeremy Jacobs won’t let them be successful.

    What more is there to say here? Trevor Timmins, when asked about this pick, explained that it was a “homerun swing”, and I understand what he means. Huge talent, low chance of making it, but if he does he could pay off big. But wasn’t the Lehkonen or Andrighetto pick the homerun swing? How many of these does one take? How about moving the runners, just making contact?

    Again, Hudson Fasching was still available at this point, and so was Mitchell Wheaton, a 6’4″ prospect from the defenceman factory that is the Kelowna Rockets. There were other options than another undersized offensive forward. By now the decision-making is baffling.

    - Pick 176: The Canadiens take Jérémy Grégoire in the sixth round. Again, I’ve seen some good writeups on this kid but haven’t seen him play. Funny that nhl.com lists him as either 5’11″ or 6′, depending which page of their website you look at.

    Happy to take a local boy here, might as well.

    No arguments with this pick. It’s actually a relief. Local boy? Check. Good size? Check. Plays gritty, will complement the skilled forwards we have on the books? Check.

    Even so, I felt deflated.

    The fact that the Canadiens gave up their seventh-rounder in exchange for Florida’s 2014′s 7th is merciful. I’m not sure I could have taken any more.

    The fact that the Canadiens made this trade was mildly puzzling, as customarily the price for a pick today is a pick one round higher the next year. In this case though, Trevor Timmins indicated that they had no one on their list, or anyone left that any scout was advocating for, so the pick didn’t have much value. The disparity might stem from the fact that it was probably the Canadiens flogging it, instead of a team running around looking for a pick.

    The Canadiens staff must have thought that next year, they might be in a different situation. While a seventh may not sound like much, at last year’s draft we didn’t have one, and giant Victoriaville goalie Brandon Whitney was still on the board deep into the seventh. Had we kept our seventh we could have snapped him up before he fell any further, and bolstered our organizational depth that way. The odds are, in any case, that the Florida pick will be closer to the top of the round, as opposed to the bottom as this year’s pick was, so that may in itself be a benefit.

    So what did we learn at this year’s draft? Probably that we shouldn’t go in with any expectations, and that we should let the pros handle the delicate work. But it’s no fun that way.

    I’ll be sure to harrumph my disapproval many times in the near future, with liberal use of ‘I told you so’s when appropriate, but glossing over instances where I was misguided, instead pointing to the many preambles and caveats sprinkled in here to cover my flanks.

  2. Fake says:

    ADAM:
    If you’re gonna make jokes about people saying Thomas is smaller, USE THE CORRECT HEIGHTS;

    Kristo is listed at no taller and no shorter then 5’11 on every website and weighing 188lbs.
    Thomas is listed at either 5’08 or 5’09 and weighing 162-170lbs

    Is there a height difference between Gallagher and Plekanec?

    So yeah, I think this size difference is quite relevant, so shut your yap.

    • Okay guys, let’s all settle down — Kristo is definitely a little bigger than Thomas. More importantly though, they’re both pretty good at hockey — Ben says Kristo’s the better passer while Thomas is the better shooter, and that it’s otherwise a wash. Thomas doesn’t have the alleged attitude issues. That’s good enough for me. And anyway this is a marginal AHL move that’s not likely to make a huge difference to either team.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • Fake says:

        I’m glad you straightened “all” of us out. Remind me when I asked for a comparison? What’s wrong with the people on this website, I need to put a disclaimer on my comment that I’m not looking to compare the two players, I was simply giving some idiot heck.

        • Fair enough. : ) I don’t mean to play traffic cop — I guess I’ve just seen a lot of arguing here the last couple of days about the relative size of a couple of players who may never even make it out of the AHL. It looks like we’re all just desperate for some actual news come July 5 — I know I’m having to resist the urge to scrape the hockey rumours sites for anything of substance at all. That talk about Perron and/or Oshie is pretty tantalizing though…

          Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  3. Maritime Ron says:

    Re the Kristo Thomas trade

    Surely us Habs fans know that Sather is not dumb (See Ryan McDonagh-Gomez trade)

    Sather is also not alone with great Assistant GMs like Jim Schoenfeld and Jeff Gorton – the same Jeff Gorton that during 4 months of being interim GM with the Bruins in 2006 ( before Chiarelli) managed to trade Raycroft for Rask, sign Chara as a UFA, then drafted Phil Kessel in Round 1, Milan Lucic in round 2, and Brad Marchand in Round 3!

    These guys are far from stupid and won’t gift anyone.

    So by reports and rumors, Danny Kristo is a problem child.
    I seem to remember a certain Chicago Blackhawk player that was also a problem child.
    In his hometown of Buffalo he was arrested for a fight with a taxi driver, and his partying is stuff of legends.

    Looks like things are turning out OK for him as he is cleaning up his act.
    By the way, he just won the Conn Smythe.
    His name. Patrick Kane…and no, Kristo is no Kane yet here’s hoping again we didn’t make a quick move before exploring ways to help the fella.

    • Ncognito says:

      Kristo is a whole lot closer to being a cab driver than a Patrick Kane.

    • cthab says:

      I agree, this is another mistake ala McDonagh. I also remember another then problem/party child Chelios.

      The problem with the Canadiens is that no matter what team is put together the fans fill the seats. Management knows this and is very content. Older Fans like myself keep hoping that they(management) have the same loyalty to the Jersey/Club as we do, and that someday history will repeat itself…..Not going to happen unless there is trouble in the bottom line/pocket books. Lately, however, I’m getting used to the fact of watching games for the sake of loving the sport, not a particular team such as my beloved Canadiens. It is a great game.

      • florida habs says:

        it is disappointing that we raise this child, he appears to excel in the league he is playing in, then we don’t get to see if he will reach his potential with the big club. if kids stray, which they can, I would hope that we do our best to get his head straight……who’s next Beaulieu? he’s had off ice issues.

  4. HabinBurlington says:

    So the list pricing on tickets for this past season Yotes was between 10 and 50 each for virtually the entire arena.

    The attached link you can see all kinds of ticket prices higher, but that is for a handful of rows right alongside ice and players benches.

    $50 for lower level seating
    $18 for upper level seating.

    That is very very affordable, and I have to believe they have promotions all the time for better pricing.

    http://coyotes.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=79059

  5. commandant says:

    Jacob de la Rose taken 11th overall in the CHL import draft by Windsor.

    Windsor doesn’t typically waste their picks on longshots to come over. I think they may have info that de la Rose could play in the CHL next year.

    Go Habs Go!
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  6. habsfan0 says:

    Is Nathan Horton’s deal with the Habs all but done?

  7. Ncognito says:

    Just a few points for those of you that go off the rails even time MB makes a move.
    1. Last season’s surprising econd place finish set the rebuild back at least a year and cost the team a top 10 prospect.
    1. This team will not seriously contend for the Stanley Cup for at least 3 years and possibly 4.
    2. Signing or trading for players on the wrong side of 30 should only be for minimum term and to plug holes because they will not be useful when the habs are legit cup contenders.
    3. Markov is 35 this year and will possibly bring us a king’s ransom at the trade deadline.
    4. Gionta is 35 in January and will possibly nab us a high draft pick, prospect or young roster player.
    5. Plekanec is only 31 this October and should still be able to help this team as a 2nd/3rd line as well as the PK when they are ready to contend for the cup and hopefully at a reduced salary for 2016-17.
    6. The trade for Ryder was an excellent move as it reduced term and increased cap space by shipping Cole out.
    7. Deharnais – in 2011-12 only 13 teams had Centres that had more points. In 2012-13 his production slipped, but he still out scored Roy, Backes, Berglund. Nugent-Hopkins, Cogliano, Filppula, Zajac, Grabovski…
    8. The trade of Kristo was ‘much ado about nothing’. 2/3′s of Hobie Baker winners are career AHLer’s…and he didn’t even win the Hobey Baker. The player we received back is younger and further developed and has less character issues.
    9. This team will have a dramatically different look to start the 2014-15 season. Gone (Markov, Gionta, Boullion, Moen)
    10. Gorges is Captain after Gionta.

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      Subban will be the Captain after Gionta. He is the future of this franchise and if you don’t see that you’ve been watching too much CBC propaganda. Look at the previous Norris trophy winners and find one that isn’t a Stanley Cup Champion (save our 2 recent Under 23 Year Old Winners). Last one I could find was Doug Wilson in 1981 – that’s 30+ years of Stanley Cup winning defense man.

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!
      @Hstands4Hockey

  8. boing007 says:

    Tim Thomas to the Avalanche. Not far from his bat cave.
    Might necessitate a security clearance and metal detector.

    Richard R

    • The Jackal says:

      Wha? But Colorado voted Democrat and Denver ain’t exactly GOP heaven… I guess Massachusetts was way too blue for him, a swing state is a better fit.

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      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Actually Colorado is very libertarian. There’s probably lots of loons out there with bomb shelters full of spam, bottled water and semi-automatic machine guns, ready for the war with Washington DC.

    • adesbarats says:

      You must mean “mental detector”

  9. habs-fan-84 says:

    I’d like to see the Habs pick up Schultz and Komisarek.

  10. mark-ID says:

    What do people think of Ron Hainsey getting signed by the Habs this off season?

    I for one, couldn’t stand him during the lockout, but He is a big boy, who could fit into our top 4 nicely. Return to the team that drafted him.

    Thoughts?

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

    • Luke says:

      Ron Hainsey? Top 4?

      He has 0 goals and 23 assists in his last two seasons.

      And he ain’t exactly a defensive stalwart back there…

    • boing007 says:

      A big boy with little talent.

      Richard R

    • prankstergod says:

      I think I would go for that. Also a guy like Jeff Shultz. A big body (or two) for the third pairing that can play more minutes if necessary. With Kaberle and Weber gone, Drewiske a bench warmer, and the kids not definitely ready, there is a need for some depth additions on the backend. Preferably guys that can clear the crease. It would help bridge the gap to when the kids are ready too. Scuderi could be good too, but I wouldn’t want to overpay for a guy in decline. Other than the UFAs, maybe there’s a trade scenario that makes sense (Edler’s been rumoured)?

      • Mr. Biter says:

        No offence at all but blocked a lot of shots and was not exactly a fan favorite here in Winnipeg this season.

        Mr. Biter
        No Guts No Glory

        • prankstergod says:

          Fair enough, and I’d prefer Shultz or someone else via trade. Looking at our D corps though it looks pretty thin and might rely too much on the kids to step up. Markov is a year older and having to play a full season this time, and Emelin is out for the first couple of months. PK is PK, but after him its Gorges, Diaz, Cube, Drewiske, and the kids (who are promising but you shouldn’t rely on them just yet). It doesn’t really inspire confidence. If they got Hainsey for third pairing on a shorter term I’d be fine with it, that’s all.

  11. Timo says:

    I have be told by a very credible source that Bergevin wants to build the Habs through draft. I cannot reveal the source to you but it is very very credible.

  12. aemarchand11 says:

    Komisarek for 1M or less? All in for that and let him step in for Emelin at the very least for half the season.

  13. The Jackal says:

    Does anyone know why it’s ok for taxpayers to foot the bills for arenas and team owners are given concessions like tax breaks and stuff just to have a team there? What the hell is up with that?!

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  14. Sportfan says:

    I’m on the fence about the Yotes staying put. They don’t sell many games out except playoffs. The team staying put just means that arrogant jerk Bettman gets to walk around and claim it still works. Even though the NHL lost money because of this team. Sigh well I think Florida is the next team that is in trouble no?

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      On the fence? What part of being firmly rooted on the desert sand is hard to see that the Yotes fleas are not going away any time soon.

      They have a good GM, a good coach, but no strength in ownership and virtually no fanbase willing to pay more than $7 for a ticket with free parking.

      They will have a spike in attendance at the start of this year, but now that the NHL is not covering bills alongside the City, but rather just the new owner trying to save money I don’t see how the franchise improves.

  15. Sportfan says:

    Jays look for solid second half !
    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/07/03/jays-look-to-make-second-half-run/

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  16. boing007 says:

    Ever heard of fish & chips?

    Richard R

  17. montreal ace says:

    The Oilers are letting quite a few young D go, by not qualifying them. I think 1 or 2 might be worth a look.

  18. Kfourn says:

    To me the Kristo-Thomas trade looks like MB acquiring an asset that he can flip later down the road. Kristo seems to have had some character issues, and I feel that management did not think he would develop to his potential. Therefore acquire an asset that can possibly tear up the AHL (one of the top rookie scorers last year), show case him a bit in the NHL via call-up, and sell high for another pick or prospect. In the meantime he provides depth if one of the smaller guys goes down.

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  19. Chris says:

    A nice tidbit from Damien Cox in today’s Toronto Star:

    ————

    In the end, Mike Komisarek’s failure in Toronto was his and his alone.

    He was a better player in Montreal than he ever showed in Toronto. Not sure why, and the various Leaf coaches who worked with him would tell you it had nothing to do with effort.

    Komisarek wanted it to work, and never complained once, even when he was embarrassed by being repeatedly scratched and then banished to the minors.

    He became a whipping boy under Ron Wilson, and so, sadly, some Leaf fans will rejoice now that he’s being bought out of the final year of his five-year deal that was to be worth $3.5 million but will be paid out at two-thirds of that amount over two years. (Guess he won’t be “made whole” either, huh?)

    He wanted to be a good Leaf, and he was a class act all the way. He shouldn’t be jeered on his way out the door. Just wish him luck.

    • RobbyLins says:

      Here’s a decent reason: TO never had a certain pre-lockout Andrei to save his fat ass.

    • Haborama says:

      IMO he deserves a second chance, methinks he would jump at a chance for redemption with the Canadiens.

      He is still a physical presence (If not much else) and would be a good fit on our bottom pairing.

      Besides, this team needs a irritating, hated player who plays in your face. Gallagher is not going to cut it and I really don’t want to see Lapeirre back with the habs.

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      Komisarek was interviewed this morning on the Fan here in Toronto.

      It was a classy “exit” interview from him. I’m sure you can listen to the podcast on their website. As has been said numerous times, he never complained once about the situation he found himself in and remained a true professional.

      At the end of the day Komisarek is a legit NHL defenseman just not worth the contract he was signed to. As a result, he suffered for it. Hoping he finds a team to revive his career with – I’m sure he will. If he keeps it simple he can still be valuable.

      Edit: In fact the interview is on the front page of the fan website: http://www.sportsnet.ca/590/

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      A class act? All I remember of his Leaf days is him cross-checking and punching people behind the play.

      Oh and that sweet pass to Cammy in the slot that one time.

      • habs-fan-84 says:

        That’s the way he played for us and we (most people) loved it. We still need a guy like that.

        Sports fans are funny as Jerry Seinfeld put it: This is same human being, but now people hate him because he’s wearing a different shirt.

        Full quote:

        Loyalty to any one sports team is pretty hard to justify. Because the players are always changing — the team can move to another city — you’re actually rooting for the clothes, when you get right down to it. You know what I mean? You are standing and cheering and yelling for your clothes to beat the clothes from another city. Fans will be so in love with a player, but if he goes to another team, they boo him. This is the same human being in a different shirt — they hate him now. Boo! Different shirt!! Boo!
        -Jerry Seinfeld

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Thanks 84.
          We humans are funny all right, and JS is right to make fun of funny stuff we do like worship a jersey. And he does it well. He is choosing, of course (and he’s intelligent, so he knows what he’s doing) to ignore the fact that symbolism isn’t just something you have to be able to define for high school English exams. Good symbols go very deep and are very powerful. They include national flags, all manner of religious symbols, Christmas trees, the swastika, etc, and of course the CH. That’s why who wears the shirt is often less important than the shirt itself.
          (Sorry, lost my usual frivolous nature there! What, btw, did you have to do to get that entire quote! Or had you already memorised it?!)
          Cheers

  20. Cardiac says:

    I was listening to Marinaro this morning (bring on the jokes…) and he brought up a very interesting point for everyone whining about Lecavalier.

    In the past 20 years, can you name a marquee Quebec-born player who signed as a free agent with the Habs?

    Arguably, the best two francos we’ve had were Turgeon and Damphousse, both acquired via trades. This speaks volumes…

    “There’s genius everywhere, but until they turn pro, it’s like popcorn in the pan. Some pop… some don’t.”
    - Jerry Maguire

    • ont fan says:

      Well history is history. It’s seems to be that there is no Dorothy in Quebec born players.

    • To be fair, with more hockey talent pouring into the league from American and European leagues, little Quebec with its 8 million people just can’t produce the same percentage of NHL talent that it did 30 years ago, and so there aren’t a whole lot of francophone superstars out there.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

  21. Tomi says:

    Is Michael Therrien still the coach of this team?

  22. Chrisadiens says:

    Anyone hear what David Perron said? Something to the likes of “If I’m traded I want to go to Montreal. I like the pressure.” Anyone confirm/deny/clarify?

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Mike D says:

      Don’t toy with my emotions Chris! Is this real or are you joking?

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Timo says:

      How much you want to bet that he is not even on Bergevin’s radar? And if he is, the price will definitely be “too high” (like OMG a second round pick and a roster player)… we can’t afford that. We are building through draft and all our current players are way to fu#$ing valuable to trade. No no. We will build through draft. Because it is only through draft that a team can achieve the ultimate goal of winning the cup.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        Oh Timo….lol

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Haborama says:

        “building through the draft” is just an excuse for MB to sit on his ass and do nothing while other GM’s make trades and improve their teams.

        • veryhabby says:

          Haborama…there is a time to go all out on signing top UFAs or making trades for significant players….and that’s when the team is set to compete as elite for a few years.

          Say we make a trade and pick up a 2nd line winger. He has 2 yrs left on his contract and then leaves as UFA cause his price is too high. Sure nice to have him here for 2 years, but just when the rest of the team is set (prospects promoted and ready to have impact on the team) such said player is gone. All it did was make us lose assests for someone who didn’t help us when we were ready to be helped.

          We are about 3 yrs away from MB’s master plan. that’s when you then find the final pieces on the UFA market or via trade. You have to have solid assets to be able to trade too. Wait till these prospects from the last 2 draft start to develop and become more inticing for other teams. Right now all we have of value is Beaulieu, Tinordi…we can’t trade these guys for short term immediate help. Its just not the right time.

          PATIENCE. And yes I think the Leafs will be competitive for the cup before the habs. They better be cause that rebuild started with urke a few years ago. They are a few years ahead of our rebuild.

      • Fransaskois says:

        There have been rumours connecting STL and MTL for the last couple of weeks. Bergevin is most definitely tuned-in. Heard one rumour of Plekanec + Bourque for Perron + Oshie on TFP. I’d do it in a second.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thomas for Perron…lol

        Habfan17

      • JF says:

        I’ve read that Bergevin is going hard for Perron.

        • Timo says:

          The problem is that he was going “hard” on many other players too. He isn’t able to make a deal because “the price is too high” which usually means that he doesnt want to give up some useless 2nd or 3rd round pick (because we are building through draft) which he is hoping to use to draft another midget player.

          Mark my words… in a few days Perron will go somewhere else and Bergevin will say that he was working very hard on the deal, was in constant phone conversation but in the end the price was just too high.

          • JF says:

            That might happen, but Bergevin knows we need a winger, and he knows we’re not going to get one for nothing. I don’t think he’s always going to back off because the price is too high. He was apparently prepared to pay a high price to move up in the draft, but the other team (I’m assuming from what I heard that it was Philly) decided in the end to keep their pick. I think if Bergevin is convinced Perron can really help us, he’ll be ready to pay the price – unless it’s P.K. or Galchenyuk.

          • florida habs says:

            at least he will be keeping La Presse happy.

      • veryhabby says:

        Well Timo it worked for the Blackhawks and no doubt this is the pattern he is following. You pick up the missing pieces when your core (mostly drafted) are ready to lead the team for a few years of being really competitive for the cup. We are not there now.

        We can all dream that other teams will give us their good players for Moen, White, LL and DD ..but it won’t happen. We also don’t have the depth to trade either of Tinordi or Beaulieu. Gally, Galchneyuk, Eller, Pk, Price, Pac are our core. We will add a few more to the core due to our drafting – Tinordi/Beaulieu very soon. One or two more from the last 2 trades and bingo…then you can trade away some high draft picks and other solid prospects cause we have our core set and we have an abundance of solid picks/prospects that other teams would be interested in.

        Worst thing that happened was us finishing 2nd in the east this year. We are a borderline playoff team. Yes I want to make the playoffs, but I’m ok with not trading away core players for a shot at playoffs one year. And the non core we have right now, isn’t going to get us that great/if any improvement on what we have right now on this roster.

    • Haborama says:

      If that’s the case, he would be very expensive. 1st rounder + prospect and roster player.

      But he would slot very nicely into our top six.

      • Mike D says:

        He’d be a perfect pickup for our team as a top 6 LW. Don’t think he’d cost quite that much but he wouldn’t be cheap.

        Looking at his stats he’s missed a lot of games the past few years (thanks Joe Thornton) but at only 25 years old he definitely has time on his side.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      How about Kristo and Moen for Perron:)

    • ZepFan2 says:

      Well it seems he’s friends with newly drafted Jeremy Gregoire. So who knows?

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    • boing007 says:

      I heard what David Perron said. Good on him.

      Richard R

  23. Gerry H says:

    Well, my respect for MB remains undiminished. He played it straight with Vinny. LeBrun says that the Habs weren’t prepared to offer term (apparently put two years on the table), which is consistent with his building philosophy. UFA’s can plug development holes, but your core comes through the draft (Book of Mark, Chapter 1). Holmgren, the guy who has handed out over $250 million worth of contracts since 2007 to guys who no longer play for the Flyers, made it simple for Vinny.

    The other thing I like about yesterday’s news was the asset management on Kristo. Lot’s of bellyaching on HIO about letting guys go for nothing. Clearly, MB signed Kristo in April knowing he wouldn’t be a Hab. Sure enough, rather than letting him slip away for free, he got fair value.

    • JF says:

      Agreed on both counts. I’m relieved abut Lecavalier and I like the Thomas trade. I’ve had doubts about Kristo for at least the last two years. Thomas is said to have great speed and hands and the possibility of developing into an elite scorer. He also has a great work ethic and attitude. don’t think a couple of inches s a big deal either way.

  24. HankHardball says:

    CAL offered him more money but he didn’t want to play there.

    Vinny’s a dirtbag and the Flyers are dumb as dirt because this move likely cost them Tim Thomas.

    MTL’s lucky he ain’t comin here.

  25. Forum Dog says:

    Too bad about Lecavalier, but not unexpected. High taxes, high pressure, team still searching for an identity – all reasons to sign elsewhere. I still think it would have been a huge upgrade at centre, but it sounds like Bergevin did too and just couldn’t lure him in.

    Kristo to the Rangers for Thomas is interesting. I was kind of hoping to see him play a bit more pro hockey in the Habs system, but Thomas is no slouch. Sideways move at worst.

    UFAs – About the only high profile one I’d like to see them pursue would be Clowe. Big as a door and good at slamming rebounds home. Just what they need.

  26. Morenz7 says:

    Regardless of Danny Kristo’s perceived character flaws, he was an asset that should have netted better return than one undersized forward with Keith Aucoin written all over him.

    Does anyone remember Chris Thomas in that game against Montreal? I do. I remember spotting him on one shift and thinking, well, it’s nice to think the Rangers have at least one mosquito in their lineup too.

    Look, this idea that drafting a 6-5 monster or two licenses MB to acquire yet more small players is nonsensical. The 2013 year’s playoffs demonstrated, again, that size and skill through the lineup—meaning players with both—win the Cup. I’m not prejudiced against small players. But you just can’t win with more than a couple in your top 13 players. You need to find sizable, skilled players to develop so that’s who’s there when you need to fill a spot in the lineup. If you acquire small players, that’s who you wind up developing, and that’s who you get when the time comes to call someone up from the A. Hello Brock Trotter. Hi Corey Locke.

    Smaller players should be special cases in your organization—transcendent talents or pure snipers. Their character matters, but I’d argue their character is generally a moot issue (small players don’t far in the sport without enormous character). I love Gallagher, Gionta and Desharnais for their pluck. But honestly, I’d like to see two fewer of them in Montreal’s top 9. Instead, I hear MB’s out kicking Briere’s tires.

    PS to anyone thinking: ‘Hey, this idiot’s avatar shows a guy who was 5-9,’ I say yes, and would it were 1935, when 5-9 was not small.

    It’s not. So please, Marc, no more smurfs.

    • veryhabby says:

      Some of you are making it sound like we traded away a 6-2 Kristo for 5′-9 Thomas. I too was looking forward to see if Krsito could crack the roster this year. I think he will be a solid NHLer. But at worst this trade will remind us of the D’agistino trade to the Blues. the difference I believe tho will be that when D’ags was scoring 20 goals a year, we were needing goals. When/if Kristo is scoring 20 goals a year, we will have his same offense from our other now prospects.

      I also have to wonder how negotiations went with Kristo. He signed last minute and maybe part of the deal was, we will trade you. Always had a feeling he didn’t want to play here, and he also made it clear he wanted to play in NHL and not AHL. Maybe it has nothing to do with Kristo’s character, but maybe an American somewhat not wanting to play in French Canada. So we signed him to keep his rights with the promise we’d trade him. I mean his BFF wrote on twitter before the draft that it would be an interesting day for Kristo at the draft. I bet you MB tried to trade him then, maybe in that package for a top 10 pick.

      I look at Thomas, and he sounds like Gallagher. Except there has to be a reason he was picked early 2nd round, while Gally in the 5th. There is talent there. It may take a few years to get to NHL, and by then our team will be bigger overall so he will fit fine.

      • Morenz7 says:

        Teri,
        It’s two inches and 20 pounds—not a huge difference, but not negligible, either.

        My point here involves Montreal’s position as an organization on which small players and prospects are over-represented: our team will not be bigger in a few years time if the players we add are not bigger. I have every confidence that Thomas will score enough in the A to merit a call-up—heck, he’ll probably be battling it out with Hudon, and later, Lehkonen. But it saddens me to think I won’t to see him all that badly, having watched Gallagher and Desharnais and Gio or even (perish the thought) Briere.

  27. Lafleurguy says:

    Did Kristo get cold feet about joining the Habs?

  28. Lafleurguy says:

    Worst player give-aways in recent times:

    1. Tuukka Rask
    2. Patrick Sharp
    3. Sergei Bobrovsky
    4. Ryan McDonagh

  29. adamkennelly says:

    wonder who MB is going to sign to help Prust out.

    I still like Tarnasky – but would be ok w/ McGratton – who can’t play at all but who is one of the last remaining (and perhaps ever to exist) – true HW enforcer.

    I’d really like it if he managed to trade for a Matt Martin or Kyle Clifford as well.

  30. Lafleurguy says:

    No one on the Bulldogs had as many goals last year as Thomas did as an AHL rookie.
    Improving depth doesn’t make you a contender but it doesn’t hurt the cause.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He may very well be a Gallagher type player. If so, he can help provide the Bulldogs with some scoring, some high energy play and if a Gionta or Gallagher gets hurt (not exactly unlikely) he becomes a nice emergency callup.

      If he indeed continues to improve and put up good numbers at the AHL level in addition to being a reasonable callup he can also become trade bait!

      Cory Conacher netted the Tampa Bay Lightning Ben Bishop.

  31. RobbyLins says:

    I’m late but hey, I live in England so bear with me.

    The Kristo deal is simple. Much like many before him (unfortunately enough), he didn’t fit the club’s image due to off-ice antics. Thomas is a little younger, has similar junior numbers…and most importantly, hopefully has half the balls his father had. If he turns into gritty 2-way player that can score (like pops), I’m more than happy.

    The Vinny scenario confuses me. We question how he’d be treated in the Montreal media and, thus, by Francophone fans…but I’m really not sure. We all seem to have this vision of how things would be if we had a Francophone star –but how long has it been since that’s been the case? Does Theodore count?

    Surely, fans aren’t dumb enough to think Vinny was to step in, score 40+ and lead us to the cup?

    Brisebois was booed back in the day because his salary was out of this world in terms of what he brought to the team –but when he came back, fans applauded the move and welcomed him. Theodore was attacked for off-ice stupidity, and this, only when his performance had dropped to an unacceptable level. Gomez (to name one of several), for reasons we all know, was (rightfully so) attacked by the media and the fans –Anglo and Franco included. Would it REALLY have been different if his name was Simon Gomaise?

    Personally, I would have been thrilled with a Quebecer coming home –it shows character, and would have potentially been an example for potential Quebec-born UFAs down the line –WE WILL NOT EAT YOU. YOU WILL BE LOVED.

    I don’t think pressure was the issue. MB and MT clearly did a fine job of communicating the things Vinny wanted to hear, if every credible source is reporting that we were a close second choice.

    In the end, I’m much more comfortable settling for the fact that Vinny is a tax-saving greedy c*nt rather than a chicken-sh*t pressure-avoider.

    On another note, if Philly is as desperate as it seems to clear cap space, we should definitely be players in the fire sale. Coburn?

    Cheers.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Robby, you gotta hang with us more. Hell of a show. Props, dude.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hey Robby. Welcome from Ireland to HIO Transatlantic.
      Great post; and another thing. I’m not sure I fully buy the fear of Montreal’s rabid media. I don’t believe it compares at all to what happens to football/soccer players in the English premiership. Yes indeed, those same wimps who roll on the grass crying tears and clutching their shins when they remember the last time someone nearly kicked them, those same guys are extremely tough when it comes to some of the crassest most tasteless and ruthless sports media coverage you’ll see anywhere. I strongly doubt the Montreal media can even hold a candle to the English tabloids. Bottom line, highly-paid sports professionals have to deal with it. As regards playing in Montreal, I’d say taxes, weather and language issues are the impediment cocktail from hell.

  32. Lafleurguy says:

    Bob Gainey detested cheapshot hockey having played the Flyers and Bruins in the ’70s. However, he realized the need for an equalizer, and he went and signed Laraque. Turned out badly, but after big Georges was dispatched, the team became and remains vulnerable to cheapshots. Prust is a fantastic middleweight but doesn’t intimidate. Here’s hoping the UFA market nets the Habs an enforcer. Sabres had the option to cut John Scott loose but didn’t. Sabres aren’t bigger than the Habs especially after trading away Jason Pominville.

    “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I will continue to beat the hustings for the homicidally insane Trevor Gillies. His level of unhingement is sorely lacking on our team. Maybe Ryan White can feed off him.

      I’m mostly serious about this.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        Like a chess match, just having him on the bench would drastically alter Habs-Bruins games. His goof-ball buddy who went after Brian Boucher for busting DiPietro’s cheekbone would be useful too.

        “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Haborama says:

        If the Habs sign Gillies, I will jump for joy and throw a one man block party.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I don’t believe you, since you didn’t use ALL CAPS and seven exclamation marks!!!!!! You’re holding back, not really into it.

        • adamkennelly says:

          Gillies would be sweet – he’s the type of guy who doesn’t go after the other team’s enforcer but after their star player – in response to misbehaviors on the ice…think anyone would rough up PK Subban ever with him in the line-up?

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Not only Gillies, but we should also kick the tires on his frequent sparring partner Jon Nasty Mirasty.

        Never since the days of Tie Domi has any player looked like they enjoy getting hit in the face.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agree amigo! Been saying for a year now that The Boys from Vityaz Chekhov , (Gillies,Yablonski,and Brennan) could help. Markov knows these guys. Nobody touched him last year during the lockout. Watch Trevor deal with Nasty Mirasty.
        http://dropyourgloves.com/Fights/GameEvents.aspx?Game=410956#Fight369647

        • Timo says:

          Yeah, any of these amigos from Vityaz would be great. How about the entire line? Gillis-Yablonski-Mirasty? Regular shift 10-12 minutes per game. Lots of ambulances on standby at every game.

          • Ron says:

            I can read the headlines now in the Boston rags, “The circus is coming, the circus is coming”. Would love it lol

  33. turbodragon says:

    Could the point of the Kristo trade be to get a little fresher trade bait?

    MB wanted to trade Kristo to move up in the draft but it didn’t work out. There was no place for Kristo on the Canadiens since we are so small already, so now he gets a similar type of player that’s a couple years younger and that he can try to trade back in the next couple of years.

    Meanwhile, the Rangers get a similar player to what they had, but who’s little bit older and closer to playing in the NHL.

  34. Psycho29 says:

    Would have taken Vinny at one or two seasons maximum. but 5 years at 4.5M….No thanks….

    Someone put something interesting up on twitter last night:

    Mike Zeisberger ‏ @Zeisberger 9h
    As this Glendale process crawls along, I just realized that Mikhail Grabovski has a larger annual salary than Vinny Lecavalier. Wow

  35. HabFanSince72 says:

    DM asks about the Flyers.

    I think they have a very good, stylish hockey club. However, I will never cheer for them except against the Bruins. Their owner is a Dickensian villain and their fans barbaric. Plus: Bobby Clarke.

  36. Hell Mattyleg! That is what is so confusing to me! Almost everyone on this site was touting how great Kristo would be, despite being undersized. Then, MB flips him for another Smurf? Even SI’s write up commented that Montreal still seems to want Smurfs with potential. The Habs will never win a cup with a bunch of 5’9″ players, no matter how good! How many times have we seen Dessy getting tossed out of the crease. Gally getting laid out on his ass. WIth all the tree trunks available at this years draft, I would have preferred a tree, rather than a midget with skill, since all we have now is Tinordi… Gonna be a few more years and I’m already concerned that MB isn’t focusing on big, tough and skilled with some six footers rather than Smurfs. As for Kristo… who knows. I don’t get excited about any prospects anymore for this specific reason. Perhaps a mini-McDonaugh trade? We’ll see.

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  37. Dr.Rex says:

    How bout a Desharnais/Robidas swap.

  38. junyab says:

    Kristo for Thomas…ridiculous. Once agin, we’re getting smaller.

    • commandant says:

      Kristo was the power forward we always dreamed of.

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      • I get the cynicism, but you along with 80% of the commentariat were very high on Kristo and we got nothing in return for him. Is it possible the scouts saw the head problem that Kristo is now suggested to have, or were we just rooked again because the kid didn’t want to play in Montreal, or some other reason?

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        • commandant says:

          I am still high on Kristo.

          However we didn’t get “nothing in return” for him.

          I’m also high on Christian Thomas.

          Last summer when i went team by team through the NHL, Thomas was my #3 ranked Rangers’ prospect…. Kristo didn’t crack the list for the Habs top 5. (and this didn’t include 2012 draftees).

          So its not that we got nothing for him.

          I see the two players as extremely similar. Undersized, offensive, right handed, wingers.

          Kristo has better playmaking, Thomas a better shot.
          Kristo older, Thomas has played in the AHL.
          Kristo bigger, Thomas grittier.

          Really, we traded 6 of one for Half a dozen of another. I don’t see how this trade makes us worse as a team. It may not make us better, but its not “ridiculous” or making us worse. I really think we traded similar prospects, and the one we moved out has been involved in at least 3 events at UND that make you question his judgment.

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          • Ed says:

            of course we got something in return, Kristo is getting ready to make an NHL roster in short order, for goodness sakes.

            trading one smallish forward for another one does not do anything to move us in the right direction, and trading one of our better assets without at least moving in a more powerful body is very, very disappointing.

          • commandant says:

            I don’t think Thomas is that far off from the NHL either.

            Yes, he’s two years younger than Kristo, but going the CHL route and then having 1 year in the AHL… he’s played a lot more hockey. He could be an injury callup right away.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The word on the street is that Thomas might be an inch or two smaller but he plays tougher than Kristo.

    • Dr.Rex says:

      YAWN YAWN YAWN

      WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    • Fransaskois says:

      Come on, Junyab. Undersized, passive player with bad attitude for undersized, aggressive player with good attitude. Kristo isn’t about to be traded for a player with size AND skill.

      We got younger, got more character and got a more aggressive player. We lost one inch and 15lbs depending on who you ask.

      Kristo is and always has been a pansy and a bum. ;)

      • Dr.Rex says:

        A comment with some logic……….

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think it may be a bit hasty and hypocritical for us to start throwing Kristo under the bus of bad attitude. While we may suspect there could have been some attitude issues, we don’t know.

        It could very well be from day one when MB first met with Kristo that he wanted to play in a U.S. market. If indeed it was something like that, he had every right to make the choice and MB was able to convince him of the benefits of signing with the Habs, knowing a trade was forthcoming.

        I don’t pretend to think Thomas is going to be equal or better, but I also think it is unfair to start slagging Kristo. I was hopeful he could be a beneficial player to the Habs, just because he is now traded, doesn’t suddenly make him a “bad player”.

      • junyab says:

        “Kristo isn’t about to be traded for a player with size AND skill. ”

        Then keep him. Give him more than 9 games with Hamilton to really take a look at thim. Instead of dumping him without really seeing who he can become – a la Ryan McDonagh.

        • Fransaskois says:

          @HabinBurlington
          His “attitude” and character issues are fairly well-documented. There’ also a wide-spread rumour he didn’t want to play here that has some weight to it. You very well could be right though, I’m sure there’s much more to his story than we’re privy to. Though I’ve never been a fan, I was mainly being sarcastic about him being garbage.

          @junyab
          We just upgraded him instead of keeping him. He didn’t fit the mould of a Bergevin player so we got nearly the exact same prospect back who does fit the mould and has more development years.

  39. Mr. Biter says:

    Which RFA’s did MB make offers to yesterday?

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    • Fransaskois says:

      Tokarski, Mayer, Dumont.

      White was already tendered.

      • Mr. Biter says:

        Thanks, could not find it anywhere. Nice to hear White will be back much to Boone’s (and certain other posters) dismay.

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        • Fransaskois says:

          No guarantee he’ll be back, just won’t lose him for nothing. I’ve been disappointed in him and expected more progression over the years but he really puts it on the line and plays with a lot of heart. Even if he’s an idiot sometimes, I do really appreciate that.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Yeah, but he’s our idiot and allways plays full out. BTW Which of our UFA’s do you think MB will re-sign if any?

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          • Fransaskois says:

            Our idiot – that warms my heart. :)

            Armstrong and Ryder have both been told they won’t be back with the Habs, Weber wasn’t qualified, Halpern is 39, and Nokelainen had an injury-plagued season and doesn’t really bring what the Habs seem to be looking for.

            Maybe we’ll see Nokelainen in the AHL for another year of call-ups, perhaps Halpern endeared himself to Therrien and has earned himself a spot.

            I’d rather we go after younger, more physical options for our bottom line but that may not be management’s vision. Lapierre, Gordon, Steckel, Dumont, Bournival, and Leblanc are all players I’d like to see get a chance on our bottom-6.

          • Mr. Biter says:

            Hearing Armstrong gone made my day. I like Halpern and he wins more face-offs than he loses but we may just have enough centers.

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  40. Lafleurguy says:

    Hab Prospect/ Draft Year/ Round Drafted

    Jared Tinordi/ 2010/ 1st
    Nathan Beaulieu/ 2011/ 1st
    Louis Leblanc/ 2009/ 1st
    Michael Bournival/ 2010/ 3rd
    Patrick Holland/ 2010/ 7th
    Greg Pateryn/ 2008/ 5th
    Christian Thomas/ 2010/ 2nd

    Prospects Morgan Ellis, Darren Dietz, Charles Hudon, Sebastian Collberg, Tim Bozon, Dalton Thrower, Josiah Didier, are further down the depth chart. One can hope the 2013 draft class will develop like the 2010 (several of whom weren’t picked by the Habs). Couple of small guys were impactful in eliminating the Habs in the recent playoffs, Jean Gabriel Pageau (dad loved Rogatien Vachon), and Cory Conacher.

  41. arcosenate says:

    Lecavalier not signing is a disappointment, but more disappointment for me in Lecavalier not wanting to play in his home town. If he was too afraid of the pressure then he did the right thing, for both parties.

    But going to Philly is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in bacon because that team is going to be a circus in my opinion. No goalie, no defence, no plan it would appear.

    Could turn into a nightmare in a hurry in Philly this year.

    • H.Upmann says:

      yes- and at6mil for the first two years, he could either be producing or most likely not…. who knows, maybe a trade of Price for Lecavalier could happen down the road.

      it seems I spend too much time reading HIO: I had a dream where I was standing next to Vinny when he signs the contract, and I start shouting “WTF are you doing?!!?!”. He rips up the contract and says, “you’re right, I need more time”. And I say “Yeah man, go have a beer and eat fatty sh!t”. I promptly get on my phone to type this out on HIO….. and then I wake up LOL

      • Mattyleg says:

        Yep, I can see that trade too.
        Lecavalier has a much stronger glove-hand than Price, and his post-to-post movement is excellent. My worry would be his 5-hole.

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    • harpman says:

      Just another short sighted move by the Flyers….they will regret the the length of the deal just like Briere`s and the russian goalie they just dumped. I am glad the Habs did not do this deal.

    • Habfan17 says:

      We don’t kow he did not want to play in Mtl. He did say Montreal was a possibility and spoke with MB. I think it is more likely that Mb would not go to 5 years on the contract. I wouldn’t either. With Galchenyuk and Eller, not to mention Bournival, then I would not have gone more than 3 years. That could have been the deciding factor. Vinnie did say he wanted a retirement contract. 3 years made sense, give Galchenyuk time to develop into a 1st line centre. Vinnie also got a no mouvement clause so potentially, Philly is stuck with him until the possibly bitter end. If nothing has changed, then even if he retires after 35, his contract will still count against the cap.

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  42. adamkennelly says:

    guess we couldn’t trade Weber for a 7th rounder eh?

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  44. Mattyleg says:

    People shouldn’t get worked up by the Kristo trade.
    There is a lot more to a player than points or promise.
    With Bergevin at the helm, the team has a vision now, and there is every possibility that Kristo, for whatever reason, didn’t fit the image that the Habs have.

    Bergevin is always in contact with the team in Hamilton, and I’m sure that it’s a question of too many red flags. Probably the same goes for Thomas, on his end, but a change of scenery could put both (or neither!) straight.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      You are right, but trading away trouble makers isn’t something Bergevin brought to the organization. Ribeiro, Theodore, Latendresse, Higgins, Lapierre, O’Byrne, Cammalleri. Others I’m forgetting.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m not saying that Kristo is a trouble-maker.
        I’m saying that he (perhaps) doesn’t fit the type of player that MB is looking for, for whatever reason.

        And while I agree that MB isn’t breaking new ground, at least he seems to have a vision for what he wants the Habs to be, which I think has been lacking for a while.

        Overtly, anywyay.

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        • Ed says:

          Matty every GM has a vision. That’s why they get to the top of their profession; there are only 30 people in the world who are GM’s at the NHL level.

          it would have been preferable for Bergevin to acquire a bigger body, more of a Erne or Carrier type of youngster who had the potential to develop into a power forward.

          I think that’s the point here.

    • I look at the 2008 second rounders…….he wasn’t going to make big in the NHL anyway, just another third liner who can be replaced.

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    • 24 Cups says:

      Point well taken.

      I guess what bugs me is that if the Habs knew they had to dump Kristo then why bring back a guy who is 5’9″? Does anyone really feel this team can play the next seven years with two guys on RW who are 5’9″, regardless of how good they might be? Not to mention that both Collberg and Hudon are undersized and not overly physical.

      • Ed says:

        I have always liked Hudon. I followed him closely and I believe he has something special about him that allows him to succeed. It’s a great hockey sense. It’s a unique talent to take advantage of every opportunity.

        I am a big Charles Hudon supporter.

      • Mattyleg says:

        With the way the league is going, do you think that we’d be able to trade someone who doesn’t hit six feet for someone bigger?

        I think that it’s important to have a mix of builds on the team. There’s nothing wrong with having two small wingers. It’s actually advantageous in most situations. Plus, if he turns out to be effective, we can then trade him to make sure the size balance is right.

        It’s all about getting the right balance of mediums, skinnys, and fats.

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      • turbodragon says:

        It’s also a matter of what we could get. If someone’s willing to trade a big guy for an unproven smallish prospect with attitude concerns (Kristo), you can bet said big guy will have very limited hockey skills, since big players who can score are so prized.

        • Ed says:

          not necessarily. the so called “big guy” could have been much younger, much less proven than Kristo.

          I would have taken a 2nd round pick in Sunday’s draft for Kristo and grabbed one of the many 18 year old power forwards that were available this year.

          That would have been a better deal for us.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Hear, hear.

          • B says:

            Who was offering a 2nd rounder for Kristo? How do you know that Kristo was not shopped for a pick, but nothing worthwhile was offered in return? As it is, they swapped a prospect selected 56th over all for one who was selected 40th. Perhaps that was the best return offered for Kristo? I don’t know for sure what was available or offered, but apparently many posters here do have that kind of inside information I lack.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Just disappointing that he couldn’t be turned into more of a return on draft day. To have packaged him with picks to move up on Sunday would have been a perfectly acceptable outcome to me. Instead, it’s as if we’re running up the down escalator.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/danny-kristo-for-christian-thomas.html

  45. Habfan17 says:

    I have been going through the players invited to the development camp and although there are some more smallish players, albeit ones that put up some decent numbers, there are a few bigger players who not only put up points but also seem pretty gritty. For instance, Stefan Fournier, right wing, 21 years old, 6’3″ 210 lbs, last season, 72 points in 66 games, 100 pims, In the playoffs, 29 points in 17 games, 31 pims. The year before, 65 points in 64 games, 96 pims. Not sure if he could put up anywhere near those numbers at the NHL level, but as a 4th line right wing, he would be nice to see, especially behind McCarron. There are some others as well.

    Habfan17

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      If he signed an AHL contract, he’d add to the mix in Hamilton, that’s for sure.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would like to see that. Maybe even Samuel Henley, a possible 4th line left wing, nothing more I would guess, if he even could make the NHL.

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      • Ed says:

        I know Stephan Fourner quite well. He needs a lot of work on his explosiveness to make the NHL. That’s why he was never drafted and that’s why he has yet to sign a free agent deal.

        But this game is played on ice, and explosiveness is a key skill to have.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          I don’t know the kid at all except for what I saw at the Memorial Cup, but your insight confirms what I’m thinking, which is that he may be a soldier in the AHL for a few years and may eventually make it to the NHL if he’s really dedicated and really lucky.

          Having said that, no harm done offering the kid an AHL contract and seeing what he can bring to the Bulldogs.

          Great to have posters on here who actually get a chance to see these kids in junior. Thanks for the info.

  46. Luke says:

    G’mornin’ folks.

    Kristo for Thomas? While a bit of a surprise, seems pretty much a saw off.
    Would have preferred a defensive prospect to be honest… but whatever… I have doubts that, as the years pass, this deal will be described to any great lengths anywhere aside from here. And probably only after Kristo scores his first career goal. (And each of the 37 career goals that follow – yah… I got my doubts).

    • Fransaskois says:

      Good afternoon! At the AHL level…

      We don’t really have much room for defensive prospects on defence.
      We’ve got lots of defensive minded forward prospects.
      We’ve got lots of offensive defence prospects.
      We’ve got good goalie depth now.

      What we needed was a goalscoring forward prospect or a facesmasher/big bodied player who was NHL ready. Considering how easy it is to sign big, 4th line players (there are lots) and the fact we can’t really expect Kristo to return a big player who also has scoring ability, I think this move is just fine. His value isn’t nearly what people were making it out to be.

      Thomas: Undersized, high-scoring potential, speed, 21yrs old, 1 year of AHL development with good showing, good character and drive, semi-aggressive playing style.

      Kristo: Undersized, high-scoring potential, speed, 23yrs old, 9 games of AHL development with poor showing, poor character and drive, passive playing style.

      I think we won. I’ve also always disliked Kristo and the whole hazing, attitude, going back to the NCAA thing. Imagine if PK or Price had done that sort of thing!!

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    I was interested, intrigued and somewhat excited at the prospect of the Habs somehow getting Vinny for the right price. However, now that it hasn’t happened, the rose coloured glasses can be removed and the deal he signed can be looked at a little more objectively.

    What are the chances Vinny could become Philly’s Gomez?

    • Mattyleg says:

      Someone asked it here yesterday:
      Could Vinny become the first-ever player bought out twice?

      It seems a very real possibility.

      Just looked at their roster, and wondered if they could end up with a fourth name on there with two asterixes next to it, alongside Pronger, Meszaros, and Shelley.

      Two asterixes denote long-term IR.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Vincent can still play defence and backcheck if his offensive skills erode. He’ll still be a useful third-line centre. So he’d be overcompensated, but wouldn’t be useless like Mr. Gomez.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I don’t disagree, I expect Vinny to play very well in his first 1-2 years there. I just wonder about years 3-5, he has a great deal of NHL miles on his body given he cracked the lineup as a rookie and franchise leader. Those years I think may catch up to him.

      • Mike D says:

        Vinny play defense and backcheck? He’s a -117 for his career in the NHL despite being an offense-first player and he’s not a very good skater and quite slow too.

        “Useful 3rd liner” is A) incorrect; and B) taking away a spot for Chucky and/or Eller and/or DD to grow. How is that useful.

        “So he’d be overcompensated” – when did that become acceptable?

        That post really surprised me coming from you UCE.

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, I don’t think ‘backcheck’ is in VL’s vocabulary, even if it’s his only responsibility.
          Old dog, new tricks, etc.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            He’s a smart guy, he’ll learn. If a prima donna offence-only centre like Steve Yzerman, as he was perceived early in his career, could do it, so can Vinny.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Sorry to shock you, but you’re interpreting my words to wrong conclusions. I was in favour of exploring the addition of Vincent Lecavalier, if the price was right. I’m satisfied that he would have been too expensive, if he wanted Marc Bergevin to match the Philly offer. So that’s settled for me, I’m okay that he wasn’t offered a comparable deal to sign here.

          Your objections regarding Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk are thus moot. I wasn’t saying he’d be a good third-liner on the Canadiens. I was answering the strict question as to whether he could become the Flyers’ Gomez. To which I’m saying no, even when he’s no longer the potent offensive player he is now, he can transform his game and re-focus on defence, as many centres have done when their careers were winding down. So, contrary to Scott Gomez, he could serve a purpose, as a big, strong, smart third line centre. Think Paul Gaustad or Michael Handzus or Bobby Holik, something along those lines.

          To be overcompensated is quite common in the NHL, but not to the degree that Scott Gomez was. I don’t think Vincent can ever be that useless.

          So there you have it, my answer to HiB’s question, which is quite reasonable if you don’t transpose your interpretation onto it.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            :)

          • Mike D says:

            My bad if I misread your post, UCE. I did think you were speaking on Vinny as part of the Habs.

            I still don`t see him becoming defensively responsible but only time will tell. I also do not think he would have been a good fit for the Habs regardless of the contract he would have signed for, but fortunately that isn`t something we have to worry about.

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  48. Un Canadien errant says:

    For those of you who are interested, firehouse.com covers the Yarnell tragedy (http://www.firehouse.com/news/10980217/forestry-ariz-firefighters-didnt-have-escape-route), and it appears that there were certain risky decisions made, and that the safety fundamentals were not necessarily followed. As we discussed, there is a lot of pressure to save homes and put fires out, and as we get better at it we maybe get more complacent, until a few mistakes combine to create a tragedy.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/07/the-firefighter-loss-of-life-tragedy-in.html

    • Mattyleg says:

      Very sad.
      But the CBC did a piece about the Canadian forest-fire-fighters, and illustrated the difference in approach that we adopt; lower-risk, safety first, and no fire shelters.
      http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2013/07/02/f-fire-shelters-firefighters-wildfires.html

      I like the part about not using breathing equipment; If you can’t breathe, you probably shouldn’t be there.

      Sad that those men had to die so needlessly.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Thanks for the link Matty. Yeah, there is a bit of a difference in approach between the US and my neck of the woods at least, as far as I can tell. One big difference is that we have lots of water, whereas those boys don’t, so the tactics change. But there is also a certain conservative approach in Canada compared to a more aggressive, cowboy attitude in the States.

        I’m really surprised at the basic failings of the operation in question. When we train recruits here, we make sure that we follow all these basic concepts of crew briefings, and communications and lookouts, and two ways out to a safe zone, even if we’re dealing with a small brush fire in a park. We figure if ever we’re fighting something big, the basics will be ingrained. Practice like play, sort of thing.

        The fire shelters are controversial all right. They are really a very very last resort, kind of like the floating seat cushion on an airplane. Might help you, but if it’s that far gone…

  49. frontenac1 says:

    @phil c. Hey ,Thomas can chuck”em eh? Now,I’m starting to like the kid. Thanks amigo.

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  51. Bim says:

    Pretty disappointed Habs didn,t get Vinny. Doesn,t anyone want to play in Montreal?

    • Why are you disappointed?

      We have seen enough players coming into Mtl in their 30′s who all they did was collect paychecks.

      Why did you want him here? Honestly?

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      • florida habs says:

        you are right, no loss, if the price was right it would have been ok to have him here for a little more firepower/excitement, not a difference maker. I hold no ill will against him, he doesn’t owe us anything, not sure why people feel that because you are born in the city, you need to go back. don’t understand that logic, it is business for these guys.

        • That’s correct.

          I’m not a professional hockey player. I love the Canadiens. But the day a person who has worked hard his whole youth to get drafted and then move to the city he was drafted by, he loses any allegiances to his boyhood teams. Only Jean Beliveau turned down more money so not to turn colors. I can’t think of any other player who is that special.

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          • florida habs says:

            u r right Shane, different era and time, hockey is now big business, not so much back than.

      • Ed says:

        when Kovalev came over he lit a fire here and instantly became our most exciting player. He was over 30.

        he was immediately one of our best players.

        many people seem to forget that.

        65 points in 69 games

        84 points in 82 games

        65 points and 78 games

        and ties with Plekanec for 5th on the team with 47 points in 06; a bad year for everyone.

        • Yes he was great, one year he was great, and then he trailed off and disappeared. And that was Kovalev, one of the most gifted and talented players to play since he came into the NHL. But we got one year out of him and then he was just a player who people wanted gone.

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        • Mike D says:

          Many people also seem to forget Kovy’s many downfalls and how enigmatic he was. Super-skilled was Kovy no doubt, but Vinny is a different type of player entirely. Kovalev is one of the most skilled players to ever play the game.

          Many people seem to remember how good Vinny WAS. That’s not the Lecavalier we would have got. And it’s not the one Philly got.

          Many people seem too short sighted to look at the long view. Vinny’s presence on our club would hold back the development of Eller and Chucky. The negatives FAR outweigh the positives looking at the big picture. Take a look at Vinny’s stats the past few years.

          So what if he would have made our club better today (which is debatable anyway)? He does nothing for us tomorrow but eat up cap space and a roster spot. And if we’re honest, we’re not one Vinny Lecavalier away from winning anything.

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          • Ed says:

            You seem to know Vinny so well, Mike. How he plays, how he thinks, what motivates him, when he started his “downfall”, you’re like a Vinnie expert of sorts.

            My post was about bringing over 30+ aged players who are supposedly on the downside, like Kovalev was, and I was pointing out that our most recent effort was a success.

            Kovalev struggled in NY prior to joining our team, and then he was rejuvenated.

            So there is very recent proof that it can be done.

          • Mike D says:

            All I do is watch the games and look at the stats, Ed. The facts are right in front of you if you care to look.

            Maybe he will be motivated by the embarrassment of being bought out and improve his play. Maybe he won’t. Where was his motivation to make sure he wasn’t bought out in the first place though? He wasn’t living up to his contract and there was no way he was going to live up to the remainder of it. That’s why a team who isn’t really profitable paid him a boatload of money NOT to play for them anymore.

            You and I see Kovalev differently. He brought me out of my seat cheering many times. He also made me shake my head in frustration many times. You see Kovy’s acquisition as an unmitigated success for the Habs. I say we won that trade hands down, but Kovy’s career in Montreal was not all rainbows by any stretch.

            You conveniently fail to overlook facts in your argument though as to why you think Vinny would have been good for our club. Facts like out current logjam at offensive centers and the fact that 3 of them are still in development stages. Facts like Vinny’s inability to stay healthy the past few years which is already a problem for our club. Facts like his declining stats which are readily viewable on the internet. Where’s the fit, Ed? How would Vinny have actually helped us looking at the big picture?

            You’re entitled to your opinion and I’m entitled to mine, and if you want to have a friendly debate then that’s cool with me. Vinny and Kovy are two different players though so let’s not use one to justify the other.

            CHeers bud.

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    • Mattyleg says:

      What does it have to do with “wanting to play in Montreal”??

      ….honestly…

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Habfan17 says:

      For all we know he did want to come to Mtl, but MB did not want a 5 year term.

      Habfan17

    • HabsFanInTampa says:

      Obviously, not.

  52. Vincent LaCavalier in decline Thank you Flyers, you made my day.

    The LeCavalier we want died six years ago. Now he’s taking care of his family and I’m ok with that. Good for him on getting a big pay day. Good thing he’s been around, those fans will eat him alive….only in english :lol:

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  53. Mattyleg says:

    Good thing that Kristo’s in NY; less chance of him freezing his tootsies again when stubling home from a frat party.

    Doesn’t get that cold there, y’know.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      There’s a nice typo in there, Matty.

      I have often stumbled home, but I think “stubling” home brings it to a new and more precise level. If someone were to say to me the morning after, “Was that you I saw stubling at the front door with your keys at 4am?”, I would not be able to deny it! I would recognise it as exactly the right word. May have been an accidental neologism, but brilliant nonetheless, like Newton and the apple. Cheers!

  54. Habfan10912 says:

    So if I’m a resident of Phoenix this morning I’m hearing about the money being spent on a hockey team as teachers, firefighters, and police officers are being laid off. Priorities, eh?

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Good Morning Jim
      Valid points, yet let’s say one’s job and income – either directly or indirectly, was tied to the fate of the franchise or arena those people probably feel good this AM.

      Perhaps it was mentioned earlier, yet what would be the economic fallout of losing the team?
      Regardless if ownership is losing money, how many jobs would be lost where the double whammy effect would come into play – that being going from a contributing tax payer, to unemployed and food stamps?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Take all the money the City of Glendale has poured into saving the Yotes and ask yourself if that money couldn’t have been used to help spur some infrastructure growth. Perhaps attract new businesses or industry into the area with some tax incentives, thus providing real economic benefits to the area.

        There is plenty of high level sports in the area for people to watch, hockey is not remotely high on their list of sporting entertainment. If these efforts were perhaps to help keep the NFL in Phoenix, or the NBA in Phoenix it would be somewhat understandable from an economic perspective.

        Biggest issue was the initial idea to build a whole new arena away from Phoenix with no co-tenant. And to believe having a shopping mall next door would make it work seems ludicrous. They got hood winked early on with that carrot of making Glendale seem like the next Phoenix attracting big league sports into town. Now they are just chasing their own tails trying to salvage something out of it.

        I feel bad for the community, but we have seen this happen before and it will probably happen again somewhere else.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Bizarre to watch a city which was really hurt by the mortgage crisis in America, allow themselves to be held over a barrel by a group Millionaires and Multi Millionaires.

      I remember back when the Jets began saber rattling about moving away from Winnipeg. The City through Winnipeg Enterprises, owned the arena and started making some huge concessions to Barry Shenkarow (then owner of Jets) in order to keep them in the city. After he milked the city as much as he could, he happily sold them and moved the team to Phoenix.

      The city of Glendale won’t get so much as a kiss good bye when the next ownership group finds its next city to rape and pillage in the name of Bettman.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Thing is, as a resident of Phoenix, you’re to blame.

  55. HabFanSince72 says:

    Lecavalier didn’t choose privacy (he’d have gone to Dallas) and he didn’t snub Montreal.

    He chose $22.5M over $9M, and a team that is probably closer to being a contender.

    • Mike D says:

      I agree that he chose 22.5mil over 9mil, but I don’t see how Philly is more of a contender than Montreal. At least not at the moment.

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    • Phil C says:

      He was never coming to Montreal, regardless. It was well documented in 2009, and confirmed again this time by several analysts who talked to insiders. Both sides of this deal had to appear like they were interested in each other, but it was just a necessary deception to keep fans off the ledge.

    • ont fan says:

      Think he might have snubbed the Habs the last time around but that was alot of money.

    • Mattyleg says:

      You really think that the Flyers are closer to being a contender than Montreal?!

      They finished 10th. We finished 2nd.

      They have no goalie.

      Apart from Giroux, and maybe Simmonds, they have nothing else.

      But I shouldn’t let that get in the way of baseless negativity, should I?

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • NO goalie and no defense, bang on. Some papers are reporting Halak in Philly.

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        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, I heard that too.
          Hmmmmm…..

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Mr. Biter says:

          $22.5M compared to $9M. Do the math. Where would you go? Pro sports are a business for both owners and players. And Philly fans are more Rabid than Hab fans (and Media)?

          • He did the right thing for his family. Payday in American, less taxes and his family is more American than Quebec (I don’t know for sure, just assuming).

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          • Bob_Sacamano says:

            I never get this. After what he has earned so far in his career and what he still gets from Tampa, where´s the difference? Getting another 22.5 m or “only” another 9 m has absolutely no impact on his life.

          • florida habs says:

            maybe not his life, but certainly will effect his off-spring etc. nothing wrong with maximizing revenue, maybe he wants to pull off a “Mario” and buy a team, he is a pretty smart guy.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        There’s no negativity here. I’m just positive about the Flyers.

        I think Philly are a very good team and only a few tweaks short of contending. They had a rough start last year but once they got their act together they made a push for the playoffs.

        Their forwards are outstanding with Giroux and Voracek both ppg last year, and Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, Read, Hartnell, Talbot forming a very nice top 9 with the addition of Vinny. They are young too.

        Mason is a question mark but if he plays to potential Philly should finish ahead of the Habs.

        And even their D which is reportedly weak is not that bad.

        • Mattyleg says:

          My gosh.

          If those same players were wearing the Bleu-Blanc-Rouge, you’d be leading the jumpers from the Jacques Cartier bridge!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • HabFanSince72 says:

            You must have me confused with someone else. Timo perhaps? When have I attacked Habs players? The closest is wondering whether or not CP has what it takes, which I’m sure everyone if our front office is also wondering.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          HF72,
          You don’t have to address this! But when posters here include the Flyers on their most-hated list, I just can’t feel it!

          (So shoot me!)

          Is the hatred based primarily on cultural memory? The genuinely hate-worthy Flyers of old are long gone (apart from Clarke in head office), and they are otherwise a hard-working, gritty, almost well-balanced team with a great captain and many good pieces. No different from other good teams. Last time they eliminated us it was simply hockey Darwinism – I took my hat off to them.

          Anyone care to articulate the hate?

          (Man, Holmgren is looking bad at the moment).

    • 24 Cups says:

      Philly is a very tough market to play in as their fans are a bit rabid.

      Vinny may find life changes quite a bit by the time he hits year three of his contract.

  56. Mike D says:

    Interesting tweet from our old friend Allan Walsh:

    Allan Walsh ‏@walsha 8h

    Somehow, I don’t remember the NHL going to these extraordinary lengths to save the Quebec Nordiques.

    - Honestly yours
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    • They made the right move back in 95, there was no room for small market teams. The Nords went to Colorado and exploded in attendance for almost every year except the last couple.

      To be honest had Alberta not had people willing to lose money I am sure the Oil and Flames would have been done too.

      Still shocked the Jets are back. But after paying 600.00 each game we go to, and getting little in return for my entertainment, well that’s not good for business.

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    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Hear, hear!

      I’ll go one better. I remember the smirky, sneering Gary Bettman explaining that the NHL didn’t have a franchise problem, it had a “WHA problem” when the Whalers were about to fold, when the Nordiques and Jets were also struggling or about to move. He shook his head and didn’t lift a finger to help those franchises.

      Fast forward to his Sunbelt teams, and Jim Balisillie trying to buy the Coyotes, and all of a sudden he’s all high and mighty and principled, stating that if there is a problem in an NHL market you fix the problem, you don’t just cut and run and abandon the fans and blah blah blah…

  57. knob says:

    Thank you Paul Holmgren.
    Glen Sather your turn to do us a favour: sign Briere

  58. HabinBurlington says:

    Tweet from Kristo yesterday.

    Danny Kristo ‏@dkristo7 15h
    Just wanted to thank the Montreal Canadiens organization for there support over past couple years. Excited to be a New York Ranger.

  59. Mike D says:

    Assuming he’s healthy, I have a funny feeling Halak will be traded sometime this summer. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him land with Philly or Pitts.

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  60. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Holy Garrulosity!
    Only absent four days (important ones mind you), and here’s 1000+ posts on Kristo and Lecav!

    @ Mike below: awesome summary. Must have taken hours to fry off a lot of fat!
    @ Fransakois: thanks for your pre-draft message! Wow, there was some excitement mounting as I signed off and everyone else settled in for the big day.
    @ Trini: I would give anything to have heard that live on a bar-stool with a few pitchers in front of me. I don’t know enough to know if I agree or not, but what I do know is that you represent the essence of fandom! Excellent! Cheers!
    @ Burly: your take on the business aspect of the Kristo trade makes a lot of sense to me. Good luck to him, good luck to Thomas.

    I also glimpsed a post some days back from one of our better factually-informed contributors (which?) concerning the actual odds of McCarron being the next Lucic. He pointed out how many 6’5 plus fwds make it, and how many are great. Both low. Still, you have to welcome a bit of size.

    There’s a few guys whose draft summaries I’d love to see, but don’t wish to name them for fear of offending others! 5 lines or less anyone? (And they don’t have to rhyme, JBelly!).

    Cheers all.

    • Mike D says:

      Morning Mike. CHeers!

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    • Fransaskois says:

      It was an exciting couple of days, that’s for sure. It’s totally changed my perspective on the team and where Bergevin is leading us.

      I don’t think I’m one of the 5 you’re looking for but I made a point of watching prospects throughout the year so I do know a LITTLE bit. The draft pick of ours I’ve seen the most is De La Rose (unfortunately, never in person, just live streams online). I’ve been a big fan since the first game I got to see and I think we’re going to be VERY happy with him in the future. I think he’s got a year or two before he’s ready for the NHL but he plays a very mature NA game and is already playing against men. He has all the tools to be a top-6 forward but who’s to know if he can put it all together. Leadership qualities, speed, physicality, size, defensive ability, one-ice IQ, work ethic and aggressive playing style are all strong points of his. We may have the next Gabriel Landeskog or a more aggressive Loui Eriksson on our hands ;)

  61. Habfan10912 says:

    Post and response of the morning:

    wjc “Kristo seemed to have a lot of issues with booze. Poor choices.”

    florida habs
    “at least he can fit in at HIO!”

    • ont fan says:

      With Kristos teammate knowing something was going to happen at the draft, it’s pretty clear Kristo must have been in every deal MB was trying to make. Why all the angst? Think it is logical, he made a deal when he signed, that he would be moved, don’t you think? At least something was salvaged.

  62. boing007 says:

    Four more years of the Phoenix Coyotes Soap Opera. Bettmann sounded depressed. He’s not the only one.

    Richard R

  63. wjc says:

    Bergevin is just doing his job:

    He is supposed to check out the scrap heap for something that might help during injuries or add depth.

    He is supposed to trade assets if he thinks the other guy being offered has a better upside.

    New York did not get bigger and Montreal did not get smaller.

    Lecavalier went for privacy all things being equal. Baseball, and football are the main sports. Meaning he can go to a restaurant and probably not be recognized.

    In Montreal the scrutiny never ends, it goes on all year, 365 days a year including Christmas…..7/24. Always on the lookout for the next scandal, misquote, slump, etc.

    Constant reminders of Scotty, Sammy, Toe, Franke Selke, Big Jean, the Rocket on and on.

    No amount of reasoning will ever change their thinking. 6 team league, no salary caps, overnight travel, signing players at adolescence and owning them forever. Burying players in the minors and ruining there careers because you owned them.

    Build a champion team…..we want it NOW! Depression, sadness, anger at not getting it like they used to. Every little move is questioned and analysized for days.

    You know and most know that if the Stanley cup was not forth coming next year, Lecavalier would be run over by the same bus that is going to get D.D.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      On a bright note, Stanley will be a realistic aspiration when all of Subban, Pacioretty, Price, Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Beaulieu, Tinordi, and Bozon and Hudon and a few others are older than 24 or 25.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  64. 24 Cups says:

    Everyone is talking about why Kristo was traded. Hab fans are justifying it by saying Thomas is a great skater who can become “an elite scorer”.

    My question is why did the Rangers give up on Thomas after just one year of pro? Did they see something they didn’t like or do they think Kristo is a better bet and jumped at the Hab offer?

    Or is that much ado about nothing as both kids are 2nd round picks who at best have a 50/50 chance of ever being NHL regulars?

    Is this the D’Agostini/Palushaj scenario all over again?

    • Ed says:

      Kristo is an excellent NHL prospect ready to try and crack the lineup this fall. I have no clue how hard he will train, or what’s in his heart, his attitude, and those are huge considerations.

      But, just based on skill, pure hockey talent, Kristo is ready to try and make the jump to the NHL.

      For example, last spring he was more than holding his own at the World Championships, in my opinion. Others here agreed with me about that assessment.

      Thomas is flat out too small for our lineup. Gallagher is going no where, he is a cornerstone for the future, and we can not afford another extremely small winger out there – since we have Plekanec and Desharnais at center as well.

  65. commandant says:

    The best defencemen in Free Agency on Friday…. man its a weak crop.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/07/03/nhl-free-agent-frenzy-preview-the-defence/

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    • Habfan10912 says:

      IMHO we’re much better off playing Tinordi and Beaulieu so they gain some experience as opposed to bringing in any free agents.

      • Mike D says:

        I think Tinordi and Drewiske will rotate a bit for the 6th spot, with Tinordi being given every chance to make it. Bouillon might be among that rotation once Emelin returns depending on how well Frankie holds up.

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  66. Mike D says:

    A summary of the last 24 hours:

    - Lecavalier chose Philly, upsetting many Habs fans even though he did us a huge favour.
    - Habs made a minor trade swapping Kristo for Thomas. This upset many Habs fans too (myself included initially) but it probably won’t amount to much down the road.
    - Glendale City Counsel voted to keep the Coyotes in Glendale. This should upset residents and taxpayers in the area. It’s like the drama that never ends in the hockey world.
    - 33 year old Lecavalier signs a 5 year deal for 4.5mil which many think is crazy. 34 year old Dupuis signs a 4 year deal for 3.75mil which many think is sound.
    - Apparently neither GM in Pennsylvania is aware there is a salary cap in the NHL.

    - Honestly yours
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    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Mike! Great logic there my friend but can I still whine a little about Kristo for a couple more days?

      • Mike D says:

        Mornin Jim. The floor is yours my friend. I may share it with you on occasion though…..still a bit upset about waiting to watch this kid for years and now seeing him gone.

        - Honestly yours
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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      The mean salary for a player who has reached UFA, for a team that spends the cap, is $3.75M/season.

      That’s a rough guess based on a cap of $67M over the next 5 years and having 7 pre-UFA players on your roster who earn $1M/yr on average.

      That leaves roughly $60M for 16 players or $3.75M/player.

      So an above average UFA should be earning what Dupuis and Lecavalier got.

      Nothing crazy about their salaries.

  67. HardHabits says:

    I wonder if other fans boards are having meaningful debates and arguments over who they should sign between Scott Gomez and Thomas Kaberle. Oh really? Nobody wants those two players? Funny that!! Why in the world then do we want to sign other teams discarded waste?

    It’s like when those people put out signs saying “Garage Sale” they’re missing the letter “b” in there.

  68. habstrinifan says:

    The Dude:
    “You blew it Vincent you f’n loser…and there goes destiny passing you by cause in Philly you be just another HAS BEEN !”

    Right on Dude. Exactly how I feel.

    And stop anyone telling me from now on about players rather being in the sunshine; or live in peaceful anonymity; or that kind of sh$%#.
    We stood up, looked Vinny in the eye and offered him a silver dollar, limited edtion, uniquely minted just for him. Philadelphia came in like a Rubber baron threw a wad of dirty money at his feet. And he bent down and picked it up like a common whore.

    And stop telling me, those on either side of the Kristo trade about the upside of one player or another. They are both kitchen staff.. show them the freakin soap and the pile of dishes. Neither of them gave MY club, which once had a Jean Beliveau at the head table and a Chris Nilan at the commoner’s bench… Neither Kristo nor Thomas would have deserved a seat in this house. So stop pretending one way or another one makes us a winner and one makes us a loser.

    And stop giving me names like Clarkson and whoever and telling me how great they would be on our 3rd line. That’s music to some of these pretenders who now masquerade as our top line players. They love to hear that we are bringing in another ’3rd or 4th liner’. It keeps them comfortable knowing that they will once again not be challenged. I want a player who by the dint of the strength and resolve of his career can look these players in the eyes and show them what it took to be a top line performer and insist they become one. A player who may have passed his prime but whose prime was prideful.

    And stop using the phrase a ‘cup contender’. We shouldnt do this cause we are not a ‘cup contender’ or we should go that route to make us a cup contender. WTF does that even mean.
    I thought that any team that played in the NHL contends for the cup.Tell me that we are going to be a team UNLIKE the team that played Ottawa in the playoffs and got our asses kicked and where we ended up like a brood of name-calling egg-laying hens noisily cackling in pain and walking funny as the rooster climbed the playoff ladder and crowed with laughter. Tell me freakin that!

    And tell me that we are not even thinking about Danny Briere.

    And tell me that Gallagher is now healthy and adding muscle and looking good to go.

    And tell me that someone is gonna watch the development camp and let us know about Bournival and this guy Crisp.. honest good hockey players. Tell me about them please and spare me any more news on Christian Thomas or even LeBlanc. I dont need to know one and by now have heard enough about the other.

    And tell me management will sign sign P.K without putting me through a day like yesterday.. and they will start respecting the fans at the Bell Centre who have lived and died with this club for generations and must be given credit when they choose their heroes with their applause.

    Tell me some good hockey news about MY freakin hockey club!

  69. Habfan10912 says:

    I’ve watched Clarkson play an awful lot, I suspect as much or more then most here. He is NOT a $5 million + a year player. Never was and never will be. Someone will overpay for his services and be unhappy about it shortly down the road. Hopefully it won’t be the Habs.

  70. 24 Cups says:

    I believe that it’s probably true that Toronto has the inside track on David Clarkson. The only question is will they be willing to pay the coin and term.

    Clarkson was born in Toronto and then played hockey in Port Hope, Aurora and Belleville. He was a Kitchener Ranger in junior and still has a charity based in that town. He got married at Blue Mountain in Ontario. All of these locations are within a two hour drive of Toronto.

    It’s going to be a real kiss in the ass for Montreal if Toronto picks up Bernier, Bolland and Clarkson for two second round draft picks. Add Columbus and Detroit to the conference and I’m starting to feel a bit queasy.

    • HardHabits says:

      Hopefully next draft is deep.

    • commandant says:

      Yeah, guys always want to play close to home… just like Lecavalier, right?

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      • 24 Cups says:

        French-Canadien players no longer want to play in Montreal because of people like us. In many regards they are the exception to the rule in the NHL.

        • commandant says:

          You think the Toronto fan base is any easier on guys?

          At the end of the day, its all about the money…. Clarkson will go to who offers the most.

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          • HabinBurlington says:

            I do think it is much easier Ben. That isn’t to say there wouldn’t be any pressure, but from my perspective the fans and press in Toronto are much easier satisfied.

          • 24 Cups says:

            I live in the Toronto area so I think I have a decent read on the situation.

            I totally agree with your comment about coin being the deciding factor. Having said that, who would blame a guy for thinking that way? It’s the same in all the other sports.

          • commandant says:

            I’m not saying I blame them for thinking that way…. just think its early to give anyone the inside track, when the race will likely be won by dollar bills.

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        • zephyr says:

          did u see fucale’s dad when the habs drafted his son? c’mon. that’s a dream come true for many. lecavalier lost that dream long ago. he’s making business decisions now like many older ufa’s. i’m surprised any ufa would sign in montreal with pq’s taxes & retarded language laws.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Clarkson being a good Canadian kid will prefer playing in the US.

  71. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! I must admit I was kind of disappointed that the club traded Kristo. I’ve seen him play several times and I really thought he’d be a very good third line winger for this team. I’ve only seen Thomas play once and remember the Ranger announcers hyping him as a great prospect but they tend to do that with all of their young players so I take that with a grain of salt.
    I still think Kristo will be a decent NHL player but there had to be some issue with the youngster not fitting into the mode that Bergevin is trying to build here. I hope it wasn’t a case of Bergevin placing too much emphasis on character as opposed to talent.

  72. Ian Cobb says:

    Has anyone heard when the new NHL scheduled comes out. I need to see it and pick a game before I can start to organize our 2013 Summit in Oct.
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  73. florida habs says:

    our good friend, McGuire is on TSN saying the Laffs have the inside track on Clarkson.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      As a general rule, every summer the Leafs always have the inside track on every UFA…

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I actually expect the Leafs to sign Clarkson, local kid, he fits exactly what Carlyle wants out of his players, Leafs have lots of cash and capspace, and he will be overpaid.

      I would like it if we could sign Clarkson, but the price will be high.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Burly
        They have about $19M but have some big RFAs (Bernier-Kadri-Gunnerson-Franson-Colbourne-Fraser…) and UFAs to deal with.
        really only 12 guys signed at the moment

      • bel33 says:

        Exactly.. the have a ton of cap space… and they’ll want to use it. Sure they have a lot of players to sign but you’ll see more players from the Marlies (AHL) making this team then before, I’m thinking. With Dallas Eakins gone to Edmonton.. they might want to bring up the best of the AHL and keep them developing. Or so says my Leafs buddies anyhow…

        • Maritime Ron says:

          bel 33
          How much do you figure to sign the 4 RFAs Kadri-Bernier-Gunnerson-Franson?
          Has to be somewhere in the $10M-$12M range.
          That $19M of Cap space goes away awful quick

  74. HabFanSince72 says:

    If Kristo and Thomas are equally good then the trade isn’t a wash. Kristo is 2 years older.

    Would you rather have a new car tomorrow or two years from tomorrow?

    • Cal says:

      It’s like the Fisher debacle. Waste 4 years waiting on a pick then throw him away. Stupid.
      Getting another midget back is stupid, too.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        MB didn’t draft Kristo, it is hard not to believe that he didn’t have some extensive talks with Kristo and his agent over the past few months. While we won’t know for sometime, it certainly seems like Kristo perhaps didn’t want to be playing for the Habs.

        I am at least relieved that Kristo didn’t go UFA direct out of College and the Habs end up with nothing. It is frustrating to watch, as many of us have been following Kristo for years now and were looking forward to seeing what he could produce for the Habs.

        • Cal says:

          There seems to be a little too much worrying about players off-ice in the Habs organization. I don’t want a bunch of “stand up” guys with “character” whose main characteristic is that they can’t win anything.
          Trading Kristo was a waste of time. If a player doesn’t want to play for your team he can rot in the minors and then be traded at the last minute for some new twine for the nets.

          • florida habs says:

            and these are just kids, who maybe prone to a few over exuberant moments, it isn’t life/career defining and hope we are not throwing away talent without a thorough scrubbing. obviously this kid had some character as he signed with us which at least gave us something in return. I’m he understood he was going to be traded. I’m to recall a few character moments with Lafleur, that worked out pretty good!

          • habstrinifan says:

            Agreed! We have suddenly become the vigilantes for NHL cahracter propriety.

        • wjc says:

          Kristo seemed to have a lot of issues with booze. Poor choices.

          wjc

      • wjc says:

        First of all there was no ‘Fisher’ debacle, just hysteria on ‘hockey inside out’. Picks come and picks go, that is the nature of the drafting business.

        Some make it, most don’t.

        New York did not get bigger and the Canadiens did not get smaller.

        They like Thomas better, I suppose and Krisko seems to lack maturity, time will tell.

        Thomas is two years younger, and basically at the same spot Krisko is. So don’t dwell on every draft choice or minor trade.

        wjc

    • commandant says:

      Thomas has a year in the AHL which means the development of the two players isn’t equal. He’s probably ahead of where Kristo was at the same age.

      I see Thomas not as a guy making the team out of camp, but as an injury fill in this year. He’s probably less than a year behind Kristo in terms of readiness.

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    • RetroMikey says:

      Ah, yes another draft flop.
      Kristo, another overrated draft pick.
      If he was so good, why did we not keep him?????

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