Habs trade Leblanc to Ducks; Therrien gets four-year contract extension

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin was busy on Saturday afternoon, first announcing that he has traded Louis Leblanc to the Anaheim Ducks in exchange for a conditional fifth-round draft pick in 2015 and then announcing that coach  Michel Therrien has been signed to a four-year contract extension.

“After three seasons with the Canadiens organization we felt that moving forward the best option for Louis and our organization was to give him the opportunity to pursue his career with another team,” Bergevin said in a statement. “Throughout his entire stay with our organization Louis showed great professionalism and a constant desire to improve. We thank him for his contribution and wish him success for the continuation of his career.”

Former Canadiens GM Bob Gainey selected Leblanc, a Pointe Claire native, in the first round (18th overall) at the 2009 NHL draft.

Leblanc only played eight games with the Canadiens this past season and was held pointless. In 50 career NHL games with the Canadiens he had five goals and five assists for 10 points. In 70 games with the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs last season, Leblanc posted 13-15-28 totals.

Therrien led the Canadiens to the Eastern Conference final this season and has an overall record of 75-42-13 over the past two seasons in his second stint as head coach of the Canadiens. Therrien was already under contract for next season and the new deal will take the 50-year-old through the 2018-19 season.

“We’re very happy to have agreed to a contract extension with Michel Therrien for multiple seasons,” Bergevin said in a statement. “Michel is an accomplished and experienced coach who has instilled a culture of hard work in our organization while helping develop our young players.

“Michel and his coaching staff work in a unique and demanding hockey market and the team’s success over the last two seasons are a reflection of their excellent work. This decision reflects our desire for stability and consistency within our hockey operations department.”

On a conference call with reporters after the announcement, Therrien said: “I’m very happy we came to an agreement. It shows the stability within the organization and it’s a sign of confidence.

“I like the chemistry we’ve got going on this team,” he added.

(Photo by Allen McInnis/The Gazette)

Canadiens trade Leblanc to Ducks, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Therrien signs four-year extension, by Pat Hickey

Montreal from A-Z: H is for Habs fans, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

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  1. Dulljerk says:

    Markov at 18 million? Nope.
    Louis Leblanc? Good riddance, I’m surprised Bergevin got that much for him.

    No eternal reward will forgive us for wasting the dawn.

  2. Pucknut says:

    I like Markov for 3 years & think he could sign for $7.75m/yr + $5.75m/yr + $4.5m/yr. 3 yrs/18M
    As long as he is not playing 30 minutes per game he should be effective for the duration.
    I think NB is ready. He got better throughout the playoffs & gained some valuable confidence & experience. We should see good things from him at camp.

  3. BriPro says:

    I don’t understand all of the hate regarding Emelin.
    Yes he had a rough year., but you have to remember that he’s played the equivalent of one year in two. And this with an injury that left Markov off for longer.
    He’s averaging a 0 in the +/-, which is respectable.
    For a 3rd round draft pick, I think he’s proven himself.
    Ask Lucic how he feels when crossing the Habs blueline and Emelin waiting for him.
    With his cap hit going from $2MM to $4MM+, perhaps MB will be looking to move him, but there are certainly contracts out there far less friendly than his (case in point…. the Leafs’ pick a D).

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Hi Bri

      I’m with you on Yemelin.
      This guy is solid.

      He needs to be moved to the left side.
      Some guys can handle their ‘off-sides’ yet he may not be one of them.

      Here’s still believing that injury on the Lucc hit doesn’t happen if he is playing his normal left side.
      Anyone that has played any type of hockey as a Dman knows how difficult it is to pivot or move when playing in the wrong position.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      YES, Bripro! Thanks for mentioning Lucic!

      Here’s a beauty piper posted late last night:


      Ranks right up there with the Subban-Marchand hit.

      • BriPro says:

        Thanks Mike. That’s a beut alright, but for me, very few replays will compare to PK taking the rat out like that.
        Whenever I need a pick-me-upper, that’s one of my favourites.

      • Pucknut says:

        Which fight was Jack-ass watching? Referring to Rechlicz as a punching bag. I think each of them gave as good as they got.

  4. Forum Dog says:

    Ball fans – some of you may have seen this already, but Tony Gwynn died. Salivary gland cancer. He did love the chaw…..


    Too bad. He was a truly great hitter and – from what I gathered through interviews – a great person as well.

  5. HabsWin-nipeg says:

    I’m not ready to write off Emelin yet (as some appear to be). Take into account that he a) spent his summer rehabbing from knee surgery rather than training for the season, b) missed the first 19 games of the season with said knee injury, and c) played his off side which not everyone does well. For almost every player coming off the injury/surgery that Emelin had, the first season back is a bit of a crap shoot as they adjust to things. I think next year will be much more telling in terms of what he will bring to the table, particularly if the Habs can move him to a left D position. The Habs would miss his physicality (unless they’re planning to bring Murray back).

  6. Maritime Ronn says:

    Looking at this whole Markov situation, he will get the money he wants – perhaps even MORE than is being reported.

    Not to forget, yet last year Marc Streit signed 4 years/$21M…and Markov will be the same age this summer as Streit was last summer when he signed his contract – plus the Cap will increase at least 10%

    There are so many possibilities and opportunities for Markov:

    1) Buffalo Sabres:
    They have tons of Cap Space and are presently $13M below the Mandatory spending Cap Floor.
    New GM Tim Murray is already on record having mentioned he would take bad contracts if a team included more draft picks.
    They have some great young D coming and who better than Markov to show the way…

    2) Colorado:
    Presently $25M below the Cap Ceiling.
    Even if they sign Stastny-O’Reilly-McGin-Barrie, they would still have huge space to sign the vet Markov – exactly what they need.

    3) Washington has 20 core players signed and $15M to spend. Perhaps a fellow countryman could help OVIE move forward.

    4) Detroit has 18 players signed with $20M left.
    5) Nashville has $20 M to spend with Dmen Shea Weber-Seth Jones and 3 other good looking RFA Dmen.

    There are another at least 8-10 teams that will consider Markov.
    It only takes one…..

  7. twilighthours says:

    Assuming MTL finds a way to replace some/all of Gionta’s and Vanek’s goals, then the issue for the Habs going forward is on the back end. I don’t think a team can afford to have two players on D who have no puck skills – in our case, Emelin and Gorges. We were shredded by the Rangers because our D couldn’t keep up with their forwards, and had a terrible time moving the puck around. Emelin and Gorges were the worst offenders. I’m of the opinion that one of them must go. They’re both good players and will find a niche somewhere.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good post. Never mind moving the puck around, just moving it out of our end! Much coarse language was uttered loudly in a faraway place owing to that feature of our play during the playoffs, let me assure everyone.

    • CH Marshall says:

      Good points. I was constantly cringing when Emelin had to make that first so-called ‘outlet’ pass, with a forechecker barreling down on him. As for Gorges, what the hell was he doing in the Rangers series?? He’s good at blocking shots, but other than that….

    • piper says:

      If they’re slow and can’t move the puck then I can’t see many teams wanting their cap hits.

  8. SmartDog says:

    Seeing the responses below to my Q about Eller, I’m going to boldly predict he gets 5 years @4.5 million. I think the value he showed in the playoffs will pay off… and he’s a young improving player who has not peaked yet.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • CH Marshall says:

      That sounds like a fantastic deal. I’m hoping MB does NOT trade Eller away or any of our young guns.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hopefully, hopefully. Just this: which Eller? October 2013+Playoffs 2014? Or the bit in between?

      • BriPro says:

        Good point.
        I was ready to have him traded away in February.

      • Mike D says:

        Exactly! Spot on, Mike. That’s the reason why I think he’ll get a 3 year deal for DD-like money. Wouldn’t be surprised to see him only get 2 years either.

        Eller may want a shorter term too if he believes he can cash in for more later, after improved play. He has had WAY too many stretches of subpar play thus far. I know he is sometimes misused on the wing (though not really last year) and doesn’t get the best wingers, but the wingers he usually gets are good enough to see him collect more points than he has.

        I really like Eller and want him to succeed, but I think many people are more infatuated with the ‘idea’ of Eller than the guy we see on the ice most nights. Yes, he’s big, has some skill, physicality, was a pretty high draft pick, can play a 200-foot game, etc., BUT he disappears for months on end sometimes and has had numerous brain farts in both the offensive and defensive zone.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Ha! The idea of Eller! Plato keeps popping up here!

          But this presumably is the core difference between us ACGMs and the GM. Bergevin must be capable of getting an optimum fix on the real Eller.

          At least two scenarios are easy to imagine: a) Eller realises how he beasted centre during the playoffs, confidence soaring, never looks back.

          b) for whatever reason, and he would be in excellent company, it turns out to be a lever he can only pull in the playoffs.

          Btw — love your D assessments. Very handy, all in one place. Cheers.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      If that’s the case, next year the habs will have Eller at 4.5M, Briere at 4 M, and DD at 3.5, on defence Emelin at 4.1 M and Gorges at 3.9M. When I take a look at LA’s 2013-14 salary structure I can’t do anything but admire their cap management. Yes they’re stuck with the Richards/Carter contracts, but if some teams are still willing to give Vanek 7 years, LA will be able to move those two players, especially with their salary cap.

    • Chris says:

      Bergevin seems to have his heart set on emulating the Blackhawks pay structure, where top players like Keith and Seabrook were locked up at below market level deals.

      The part he is forgetting is that the Blackhawks also did not play hardball with their players, signing them to decent deals right out of their entry level deals (mind you, arbitration was available to those players right out of their entry-level deal, something that was not true for Subban and Eller). Montreal went low on Eller and Subban, and both guys will be looking to get paid. Subban is arbitration eligible this summer, so he is getting at least $7 million even if it is just a 1- or 2-year deal.

      Lars Eller is also eligible for salary arbitration this season, and is 2 years away from unrestricted free agency. He was low-balled last time, so I can’t see his agent settling for a low contract this time. But that one is going to be complicated for the arbitrator, because he started and ended the season like a top-6 center, but was an AHL’er through the middle of the season. Another option for Eller’s agent is to pass on arbitration and see if he can secure an offer sheet. The Habs, looking to move Galchenyuk to center, would be tempted to take the picks on an Eller deal so I can actually see that one happening.

      • SmartDog says:

        Yah but if the Habs take picks for Eller, they lose a good young asset who can help the team NOW… not 5 years from now.

        Also BTW, my 4.5 mil salary was HIGHER than anyone suggested below. Most seemed to think he’ll sign for 3.3-4 IF the Habs think that much of him! I know he won’t go that low. But as you point out, his dramatic inconsistency this year will hurt him in negotiation or arbitration.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Forum Dog says:

      They are nuts if they give him $4.5M/year on a 5 year deal. That is the kind of deal Pacioretty got, and Eller has not shown that type of upside. A different kind of upside, yeah, but the only way I can see him getting 5 years as an RFA is if he takes a $3-3.5M cap hit. I see them more likely offering something like $5M over two years and see where things go. They can always offer an extension is things trend better than expected.

      I like Eller a lot, but he has shown enough flaws to make me question the height of his ceiling. Long-term deals should be restricted to guys who are known quantities or blue-chip talent. To me, Lars is neither at this point.

  9. Luke says:

    2,715 comments to go folks… just 2,715…

  10. SmartDog says:

    Re. Nygren (talk below)…

    What he said is pretty obvious. I doubt it sent shock waves through the Habs brass.

    The Habs have every reason to give him a shot. He’s 6’1″ and right handed. Two things that the Habs like. He has experience playing with men in Sweden. This year he’ll play the 2nd year of a 2 year deal. The first was to adapt him to the NA game. This is the year he needs to shine. The Habs will want to see.

    If Nygren shows promise (and I believe he has), consider that the Habs may have FOUR NHL-ready D either playing as rookies in the big club, or on the farm this year. Bergevin can count, and he’s shown he’s knows how to play his cards. My hope is that he trades one of these 4 D and a roster player to someone for a good young 2nd line RW. Someone with skills or physicality that can grow with the team. Whether it’s Nygren or Pateryn or even Beaulieu that we trade (I’m sure it won’t be Tinordi), I think Nygren is an asset and Bergevin CARES about that more than a stupid quote in the media (unlike some past regimes).

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  11. Dunboyne Mike says:

    So who leaked to McKenzie and in order to gain what advantage?

  12. DipsyDoodler says:

    What if it is a choice between

    Option 1: Sign Marky for $6M/yr and waive Emelin (total cap increase: $2M)

    Option 2: Let Marky walk.


    Moving. Forward.

    • Paz says:

      They just signed Emelin to a 4 year extension, do you really think letting him go is even being considered?

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Not trading a guy just because you recently signed him is irrational, and we’re all perfectly rational on H I/O.

        Emelin is the worst defenceman on the team (other than Bouillon and Murray who are not returning).

        I would rather see Tinordi in the lineup than Emelin.

        Put another way, choose between the following pairings and cap hits:

        Markov-Tinordi: $7M
        Markov-Emelin: $10M
        Emelin-Tinordi: $5M

        Moving. Forward.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Disrespectfully, DD, I’d postpone assessing Emelin for another season. It’s my belief he was still re-habing that knee all year.

          You might prove right, but I think under-bussing now is premature.

          [obviously only kidding on the “disrespectfully”]

  13. kalevine says:

    I think the #1 reason to re-sign Markov is so that the asset does not walk for nothing. Habs have developed him and also invested a lot in him, and they deserve to get a return for him, perhaps at next trade deadline. I would give him what he wants in the first year

  14. Mike D says:

    A synopsis of the mess we have on our hands as it relates to the situation on Defence:

    Markov – still a great player who has shown he can stay healthy after his knee injuries. But he’s getting older and has slowed down. If we re-sign him he will have a significant cap hit, whatever it may be (5mil or more for sure). How much longer will he still be effective and what is he worth 1-2 years from now?

    Subban – our best and most valuable player after Price (and they’re pretty close anyway). He’ll be a Hab I’m sure, but it’s going to cost BIG $$$.

    Emelin – our most physical Dman and maybe the most physical player we have…but he didn’t really show it much this year. We need what he typically brings, but he had a subpar season and is about to begin his 4 year, 4.1mil contract. He played the wrong side this season so hopefully that gets corrected and he bounces back, if not, that bad (and costly) for the Habs.

    Gorges – part of the leadership group (like it or not), a GREAT team-guy, and will sacrifice himself for the team. That said, he plays the left side where we have depth, and is overpaid for what he brings. He has 4 years left at 3.9mil and Weaver just proved we could have a similar player AND save approx. 3mil AND have one that plays the right side.

    Weaver – definitely earned himself an extension. Won’t cost much, plays the right side, and is a great fit for 6th/7th Dman who won’t cause a stink when he sits. Again, a much more cost-effective Gorges.

    Beaulieu – proved he is a full-time NHLer. Not fully developed yet, but he needs to develop in the NHL now. The likely candidate to replace Markov’s PP duty at some point as P.K.’s partner. I’d be shocked if he ever saw the AHL again.

    Tinordi/Pateryn/Nygren – Our 3 best D prospects after NB. We need more of what Tinner brings but he may or may not be ready for full-time NHL duty. He is another lefty. Pateryn is a righty which we could use, who also may or may not be ready for NHL duty but had a strong season in Hamilton and deserves a long look at camp and at least SOME NHL time next year. Nygren may or may not have caused a stink with his recent comments, but something needs to be done with him for sure. Has NHL talent from what I understand and is a welcomed offensive Dman who also plays the right side. If only one of him or Pateryn makes the squad next year, do you favour Nygren to appease him if Pateryn will be more accepting of one more year in the A? Can the Habs have NB and one (or both) of Pateryn and Nygren on the big club?

    Left D: Markov, Emelin, Gorges, Beaulieu, Tinordi
    Right D: Subban, Pateryn, Nygren, Weaver

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Paz says:

      There are teams all over the league who have taken their brightest defensive prospect and literally thrown him into their top 4.

      I believe we should try and do the same with Beaulieu next season.

      He will make mistakes; more than Emelin, maybe, but not for certain.

      But Beaulieu gives us such a huge jump in our overall speed and offensive ability that he NEEDS to play big minutes, he NEEDS to be on the ice.

      Once the team makes this decision, our defence starts to fall into place.

      I do believe a deal with Markov should be done. If Markov was reliable enough to be played as he was last season, why will his drop off in October be so steep? I don’t see that happening for at least 2 more seasons.

      And we need those 2 or 3 more seasons to bring Tinordi and Patterryn properly into the fold.

      Let’s get Beaulieu into the top 4, and let’s keep Markov.

      • Chris says:

        Subban and Beaulieu would be an intriguing pairing. The question is whether Therrien trusts Subban enough to mentor the kid. That pairing would have speed in spades.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          And if it worked (all or most of the time, making allowances for youth), it solves the Markov major minutes problem.

          Could prove quite scary to play against.

      • Forum Dog says:

        I think the biggest issue with resigning Markov is that Beaulieu (and Tinordi as well IMO) have little else they can learn in the minors. They could spend another year refining some aspects of their games, but they’ve already got NHL skills/abilities. Seems to me that the biggest thing for them to adjust to is the speed and physicality of the NHL game, and they are only gonna be able to do that by playing at the highest level. As other have noted, there will be some growing pains, but the prospects will be better off long-term.

        Trouble is Markov is a legitimate top-4 d-man now and probably could be for 2 more years. You don’t want to lose those guys for nothing. The prospects coming up (like Beaulieu and Tinordi) are betted suited to playing lesser roles right now (2nd or 3rd pairings), but Gorges and Emelin are kind of clogging those spots up (Emelin is a keeper though if you ask me). Having your 4/5 d-men signed up for as long as those guys are does create some upward mobility issues.

        It may be possible to work everyone in and still keep Markov, but it would be tough, especially if they try and sign Weaver for depth. I think they will try and get Markov signed regardless though. They can probably afford to do it and it gives them an asset that they can either use or deal.

        Gorges – Subban
        Markov – Emelin
        Tinordi/Beaulieu – Weaver

        Doesn’t really help the top-pairing, but this is what I could see happening.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          If you paired Beaulieu with Subban, could you put Markov with Tinordi?

          Completely screws up your pairings, and seems a little outrageous at this juncture. But if it worked, wouldn’t it solve several problems, including moving Markov down from Top 2 and thereby making it easier to reduce his minutes?

        • Forum Dog says:

          @Mike – Could do. I figure they will probably be flexible with the younger players. Beaulieu could see some minutes with Subban, but could also drop down depending on the situation. Ditto for Tinordi, and I could even envisage scenarios where Beaulieu slots in some games (where speed or offense is more valued), and Tinordi during others (i.e. more physical matchups). Those two need NHL experience, but they probably don’t need to play every single game or shift.

    • Chris says:

      Weaver should not be re-signed. He is just another in a long line of Montreal defencemen with zero offensive talent.

      I think one of Emelin or Gorges are trade bait to make room for Tinordi.

      Subban and Markov need to be there for their proven offence, and Beaulieu needs to be brought along to complement them and partner Subban on the second wave of the PP.

      Pateryn, at age 24 later this week, has more than paid his dues. He can take Weaver’s role as a right-shooting defenceman on the third pairing, and he brings size (6’2″, 222 pounds) and some physical play. He came out of a GREAT NCAA program, having been trained by one of the top development coaches in the game, Red Berenson.

      Nygren has no future in Montreal. He doesn’t want to pay his dues in the AHL, and Bergevin doesn’t like to elevate players without seeing them in that league first. He’s trade bait.

      The way I see it, the Habs will be rolling with something like

      LD: Markov, Emelin/Gorges, Beaulieu
      RD: Subban, Emelin/Gorges, Pateryn

      If one of Emelin or Gorges are traded, they will move Tinordi up into one of those spots.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Chris, do we know or only surmise that Nygren doesn’t want to pay his AHL dues? Much discussed below — I think the points H17 raises do enough to undermine certainty on this.

        • Chris says:

          He made it very clear that he is unhappy in Hamilton. Maybe he would be happy to play in another AHL city, but picture sending him back to the Bulldogs after his comments last season? He doesn’t like Hamilton, and they will not welcome him back. He’s done in Montreal.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Is it impossible that he preferred the SEL to Hamilton with Montreal’s blessing?

          • Chris says:

            That is entirely possible. But he not only burned the Hamilton bridge, he blew the damned thing up. His comments about the city (even if I agree with some of them) have unquestionably made him persona non grata in that city. There is no way he can return to the Bulldogs.

            Can anybody honestly see the Habs guaranteeing the unproven Nygren a spot with the NHL club for the entire season when you factor in their surplus of veterans and 3 prospects (Beaulieu, Pateryn, Tinordi) ahead of him on the depth chart?

          • Dunboyne Mike says:


            (I hope Habfan17 sees this and has a more robust reply than mine!).

            But yeah, that makes sense.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Agree on much Chris, Weaver will get 2 x 2 or more somewhere and good for him.

        Nygren will turning on his lights all day during hockey season for a long time …

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

      • Mike D says:

        Hi Chris. Firstly, in case you didn’t see it below, thank you for replying to my “Rank the leagues” question. Much appreciated!

        Do you really think MB wouldn’t re-sign Weaver, even if only as a depth defenceman for injury replacement or if one of the younger guys needs to sit? Given the amount of extra Dmen he carried last season, and considering how well Weaver played for us, I have a hard time believing MB would not offer him a contract since he wouldn’t be costly anyway.

        Interesting point you make too re: the possibility of trading one of Gorges or Emelin. I concur with the point but don’t know if it happens, and if it does, which one would go. I’m sure the quality of return we could get for either player would factor into who stays and who goes, but it’s tough to determine which one is more ‘expendable’ for us. I think AE74 wins on skill, but JG26 wins on will. Plus Josh is a bigger part of the leadership group and is very close with Carey. While that latter point shouldn’t matter, especially amongst pros, MB understands the dynamic of an NHL locker room very well and may consider it.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

        • Chris says:

          Going into this season, I think that the Habs are looking at Subban, Markov, Emelin, Gorges, Beaulieu, Pateryn, and then perhaps Tinordi as the 7th or platooning with Pateryn. The problem is that Weaver has no offence: neither do Tinordi, Pateryn, Gorges, or Emelin. So you have 5 guys with zero offence, but only room for 3 or 4 of them.

          If a defenceman has to be moved to make room for the kids, then I think it has to be Weaver and not Markov. Weaver is a spare part. Markov is integral to the team’s success.

          I loved Weaver and what he brought. But the Habs need to upgrade their skill level and physicality. Pateryn does both, even if he sacrifices some know-how. Weaver will get a nice offer from somebody, but I don’t think it should be Montreal. Davis Drewiske, who missed almost the entire season due to injury, can serve as the spare part defenceman, the role he was signed for.

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Respectfully disagree about Weaver.

        He is a depth player – a 6-7-8 guy for somewhere around $1M-$1.5M.
        At that Cap range, no one should expect Shea Weber.

        Injuries always happen and having NHL experience Dmen to fill in is vital and crucial.

  15. bwoar says:


    I share your optimism for Nygren. This team needs more Swedes.

  16. Hobie says:

    I will trust whatever Marc Bergevin and his team decide to do with Andrei Markov. They have the best read on whether Markov is good for another 2, 3 or 4 seasons. I personally think he’s good for another 2 and would be concerned if they went for 3, but that’s just me.

    Bergevin also knows the readiness of Beaulieu, Tinordi and Pateryn much better than any reporter or poster on this site. He has a plan. Maybe he’s willing to take small step back, let Markov go, and play the heck out of the kids this year, maybe not.

    Whatever Bergevin decides to do, I’m cool with it. He’s pretty much da man!

  17. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! Markov. Getting slower for sure but he is still The Smartest guy on the ice. Love to have him back,but at what price and for how long? Glad I don’t have to make that decision, probably the hardest one Marc will make this off season.

  18. Savardian Spin-o-rama says:

    I say give Marky what he wants with one proviso: he’s gotta waive his NTC. Come trade deadline (when teams are more willing to overpay), you either keep him or swap him depending on how the rookies (Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn) are doing and where we are in the standings.

    ~~ You’ve been spun ~~

    • kalevine says:

      that’s a good idea
      but I wonder if it would undermine the loyalty aspect, if indeed there is such a thing

    • JUST ME says:

      I know that there are financial risks invoved with a veteran player but there are also facts that one must not take for granted.
      -He played 81 games last season
      -finished 5 th scorer of the team
      -Kids are not ready and need someone to look up to
      -if we let him go we probably will be looking for a guy that plays like Markov anyway.
      -Is a CH warrior
      -experience is priceless

      I like your NTC idea and also the bonus incentives

  19. Luke says:

    3 years at 6 million per, seems fair for Markov. Perhaps even a bit low. The 5.75 was a very team friendly contract.

    I’d figure he’ll (or Boyle, a very good comperable) get 6.5 on the open market.

    Now, as Ronn alludes to below, get that 6 million and be creative. Do the 2.5 million / season with 3.5 in achieveable, but defered bonuses like the Jagr and Iginla contracts.

  20. alfieturcotte says:

    Markov wants $6MM/yr for 3 yrs. Big mistake if we bite on that. markov is a solid 4th/5th or 6th D at this stage in his career (i.e. $4mm tops for him). He can’t skate and his weaknesses will only become more apparent w/each season.

    Time to cut bait. No way Markov is worth that kind of $$$.

    • Luke says:

      I think you have drastically undervalued Markov if you believe he is a 4th, 5th or 6th.
      I think you’d be hard pressed to find a team in the NHl where Andrei Markov is not a top 3 defensman.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      To call Markov a 4th or 5th d-man is a little hard to comprehend. Markov gets at least 5 or 6 offers of that contract or better on the open market. We need at least one solid veteran presence out there, albeit maybe at a few minutes less per game.

  21. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    In General, to Re-generate the General?

    Taking TSN Bob Mckenzie’s post at face value, there are a lot of posts flying in that say 3/18 is too much, let someone else, pay, time to move on. The thinking goes that we could get someone else for that money, we have the younger D chomping at the bit etc. Let’s examine that.

    If someone else (many others?) will pay Markov that, it suggests that’s market value for his worth …. logic says to replace his value to the team, you have to pay the same amount to a comparable player …. who is that player?

    Consider the last time Markov was up for a contract. Read the comments in the link about the Markov effect, especially those that said he would never be the same player, would be hurt again, never play those big minutes ….


    The Markov effect still stands, if you don’t land a comparable player, the team is on the fringe of making the playoffs next year … 10 points separated us from missing out.

    Pay the man the money, drop his minutes as the young d come on and in 2016-17 he and Emelin are 3/4, Gorges 3.9 is a bargain for a number 5/6 man (who plays 18 minutes a la a more time balanced system) and we can start to worry about how Beaulieu and Tinordi are going to be asking for such big raises …

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • JF says:

      That makes sense, unless you take the point of view that what matters most at this point is allowing our young defencemen to develop in the NHL, learning and making their mistakes, even if this means missing the playoffs; in fact, that missing the playoffs would indirectly be a step forward in that it would mean a higher draft pick. I think that if we get rid of both Markov and Plekanec, giving our young defencemen a lot of responsibility and turning the top centre positions over to Galchenyuk and Eller, we will almost certainly miss the playoffs.

    • bwoar says:

      Sorry 2mins but that’s too much money for a defenseman playing a #3 role. I don’t agree that Gorges 3.9m is a bargain at all, so, we’re probably gonna be way far way in our opinions.

      I think it’s very possible that we drop 10 points and fall out of the playoffs, but I also think it’s possible that if one, only one of the younger guys knocking at the door steps up, those 10 points become 4-5 and we squeak in. We have as much chance to win the Cup next year limping in at #8 as we did this past year, so to me there’s no difference. To me it’s a gamble to be able to give ice time ot one or two of Beaulieu, Tinordi or Pateryn.

      Just a hunch, but I think the only way Markov gets 3 years / 5.5+ is if one of the two lefties is part of a trade for a big winger.

      I’ll be blowing this same “turnover to move forward” horn all summer, please leave tips in the hat.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        I see the younger d coming in as 5-6 playing sheltered minutes to start (don’t see Weaver back, the older player version of the Wizniewski effect) and Markov playing number 2 minutes.

        I am ok with Plekanec going (he has a modified NTC?) if we get a scoring winger

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Sorry, the last reply was to JF … for Gorges, my point was that with an 80-84 million cap, 3.9 for a guy playing 18 minutes is if not a bargain, very good value.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  22. Maritime Ronn says:

    Mentioned the other day that there is way to get Markov done.
    It may be possible with a front loaded contract with ‘Variability.”

    In the 2013 CBA, Front Loaded contracts are allowed with no year less than 50% of the 1st year salary, and never more than a 35% variance of salary from 1 year to the next.

    Here’s what a 3 year contract could like like with a $5.03M Cap Hit

    Year 1 Salary: $7M
    Year 2 salary: $4.6M
    Year 3 Salary: $3.5M

    In consideration for the big money up front, the Habs should NOT give either a NMC or NTC.

    If things go south in year 2 or quite possibly in Year 3, he could be traded or bought out.

    That ‘Year 3’ Cap hit of $5M would drop to $1.66M for 2 consecutive years.

    If Markov doesn’t like that deal, then he should go elsewhere

    • Paz says:

      I like the way you are thinking but I think you are underestimating Markov’s value in the market place.

      He just came off a 5.75/yr deal and he was played this season as a NUMBER ONE dman, not just 1st pair, but actually a step ahead of Subban because he played BOTH power play and penalty kill
      In the market, that HAS to get him at least 5.75 next season, so your 7 million is not really that “front loaded”.

      I think he would need 7, 5.75, and then a drop off to 3.5 million, and hope that that would be enough.

      I think that is more realistic considering how “valuable” Markov’s minutes were this past season.

    • BriPro says:

      Good morning Ron,
      You and I are on the same wavelength in terms of front-loaded contracts, and although he only missed one game in the last two years, and is still an elite IQ D-man, his speed has disappeared and he has gotten caught in the neutral zone, which used to be uncharacteristic.
      For this reason, I wouldn’t offer more than $4.5/yr cap hit.
      $5.5 – $4.5 – $3.5. He’s certainly worth it, and will command more on the open market, but for me, his age is a concern.

    • twilighthours says:

      This is a good plan. Get MB on the line.

  23. ACGM says:

    I changed my title to ACGM which means Armchair GM I thought it was a good one. I give my opinion like everyone else on here and I know I’m not always right I leave that up to the Professional GM Mr.Bergevin but I’m a Montreal Canadiens Fan and have been ever since the first time I watched them play. Todays Hockey teams are different than the old 6-team league I use to watch. The Montreal Canadiens were a power house then, winning the cup almost every year those days are gone 16 of 30 teams have a chance every year to win it so we have to bite the Bullet and sit back until it’s our turn.

    Right now we are a playoff team and if Bergevin and his staff keep making the right moves we will again see a Stanley Cup in Montreal hope it’s not too late for me as well as a lot of other posters on this site.

  24. SmartDog says:


    These ones write themselves!
    1. Thumbs up or down on “stability” and Therrien? (Keep in mind, coaches can be fired at will – it only costs the owner, not Cap space.)
    2. Will PK sign for the maximum 8 years?
    3. What should Eller get (Term/$)?
    4. What ONE type of player should be on top of Marc B’s pick-up list?
    5. Should Habs take the “best player available” with their 1st round pick? Or the best BIG player? Or…. is there another adjective that should go there?

    • Cal says:

      1. Up- tired of seeing a new coach every 2.5 years. Stability makes sense.
      2. I believe so- at $64 mil.
      3. 5 years @ $4mil/season
      4. Scoring Right winger
      5. Best biggest and fastest skating player available. Enough with the tiny tots.
      Mike Richards is the Kings smallest player.

      • Paz says:

        Cal, I would be thrilled to see the Habs give Eller that deal. I am one of his biggest supporters.
        But I doubt that’s how the Habs view him, I really do.

        • Cal says:

          I’m all in for Eller to take over Pleks’ defensive duties. He can do it and the return might be the RW with some grit and scoring the Habs sorely need.
          This summer the Habs can sit on their thumbs and bask in the semis appearance or move on. We’ve seen the best this veteran group can give. Youth must seize the moment and take over the club, with all the errors that entails.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Thanks for the Questions SD.

      1. It is fine and a good idea. MT is not my fav but he has earned and extension and all the term does is provide MT with a better package for coaching in a difficult market if he gets let go.

      2 I think PK will go 4 to 6 years so he can cash in again

      3 3.2 million for 3 years

      4. Skilled RW. Habs are hurting on the right wing

      5. Best player available. Can’t trump talent

    • Mike D says:

      1) Thumbs up for now, but that’s subject to change. Hello fence, mind if I have a seat?
      2) Yes. If they try to sign him for 6 years only (their current longest) the cap hit would be even higher than it’s going to be at 8 years.
      3) Very tough question. I’d say 3 years at 3.5mil.
      4) Top line scoring RW. A similar LW would be next.
      5) Best player available as long as it’s not another smaller player.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Luke says:

      1. Thumbs up or down on “stability” and Therrien?
      Up. Way up.

      2. Will PK sign for the maximum 8 years?
      Yes, I think so.

      3. What should Eller get (Term/$)?
      5 @ $18-20mil seems reasonable. But, I’m still leary of this.

      4. What ONE type of player should be on top of Marc B’s pick-up list?
      An Elite offensive player.

      5. Should Habs take the “best player available” …?
      Best player. Use the later rounds to make the risky picks, projects and fliers. (Oh, edit: But, all things being equal? Bet on the big guy).

    • Phil C says:

      1. Thumbs up. There are no cap implications for coaches so as a fan who cares about the term and salary.

      2. I think it will be a 6 year deal like Price.

      3. 4x 3. 5M. He is not top six yet.

      4. RH top four defenseman. I like to teams built from the net out, then up the middle.

      5. Best player available. Players don’t have to be big, just not small. Average sized players have no problem in the NHL. 6’1″ 200lbs, plus or minus an inch or 10 lbs is plenty big for the NHL.

    • ACGM says:

      SmartDog – I made a suggestion for MB if we have the funds to do it

      Trade Gionta, let Vanek walk bring in Devin Setoguchi and Ryan Callahan if this is possible to play on the RIGHT WING

      Bring in Mason Raymond and Matt Moulson again if possible to play on the LEFT WING

      Improve the Defense, don’t give Markov more than 5m per year for 2-3 years or let him walk, can’t see him around when we win a cup. Give some of the young Defensemen in Hamilton a chance to prove themselves. with those changes I think we could compete with any of the other 29 teams….

    • JUST ME says:

      1-Way up until…We need stability behind the bench if building is the idea!
      2-Yes sir !
      3-10 milions total -3 years . Deserves it.
      4-a solid d man
      5- best available that will fit in their future needs

    • bwoar says:

      1. Up for Therrien, grudgingly. But this team is going nowhere as is.
      2. No, he’d be leaving future $$$ on the table.
      3. 2, 3, 3.5, 3.5, 4.5.
      4. Scoring RW
      5. moar poutine

  25. mdp2011 says:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    Last I heard, and it is a fluid situation subject to change, Andrei Markov was asking MTL for a 3-year deal worth $6M per year. #TSN

    • Kooch7800 says:

      bye bye Markov. Someone will pay him that but unless the Habs are not moving some other D we will be in bad shape with that deal.

      The other kicker is Markov played about a year and a half of his last 3 year deal at 5,75…

      • Habfan17 says:

        I hope they don’t cave and give it to him. 2 years at $5 million per would be fair if he really wants to end his career as a Hab.


        • Kooch7800 says:

          With the points he put up and the minutes he played he will get 6 million for 3 years from someone. 2 years at 6 million I could live with but the 3rd year is a kicker. I sadly won’ t be shocked at all if he signs though for 3 years at 6 mill with the habs.

          There is not going to be a lot of money left over to add a forward.

          Briere will have to go

          • Habfan17 says:

            There will be a few teams that will give him what he wants. At the cost of improvements in other areas, I hope they don’t give it to him. Like you, I could digest 2 years at $6 million per.


      • Cal says:

        Agree. If he really does want that much I am certain other teams will pony up. It’s time for the Habs to move on.
        Wouldn’t PK and Nygren provide a lot of punch from the right side?
        Wouldn’t Beaulieu and a recovered Emelin be decent on the left?
        Wouldn’t Gorges and Weaver be a decent 3rd pair, with Tinordi and Pateryn getting in games?

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am 100% with you Cal but I have a bad feeling that is the exact deal he will get from the Habs. I think there is better routes or options available but I just have that feeling

        • Habfan17 says:

          I agree with you Cal! That would give them a lot of Balance and more speed. I think folks forget, both Emelin and Diaz broke in together as “rookies” having never played in the AHL and both being 24 years old at the time. The Habs can better work in a couple of rookies with the team they now have. Look how well Krug did when he broke in with Boston.


          • Mike D says:

            Not to undermine your point, but Emelin was almost 26 when he came over from Russia……and was playing in a league superior to the Swedish Elite League.

            – Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Sadly, if Nygren was serious about the NHL he would have stuck in out in Hamilton last year and I bet would have played a few games with the big club.

            Seeing the habs are big on Character I don’t think you will ever see him being a hab

        • Cal says:

          @ Kooch
          Wanting to play in the NHL so bad that he’s willing to say something a little controversial to a Swedish paper?
          Nygren has had a ton of success and doesn’t want to ride buses in Hamilton? Good for him. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Imagine 2 RH Dmen on your team with that much offensive upside? It’s a no-brainer.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            @ Cal, I am not worried about the paper side. I am worried he quickly bailed out of the AHL. I understand he can make more money etc in Sweden but in the end game he would make more money in the NHL.

            As far as what he has done in a lesser Swedish league I am not sure how that translates to the North American game. He was -9 in 16 games in the AHL. He was great offensively but how is he defensively?

            I am not sure he should leap frog a Pateryn for example.

    • MTLF says:

      MB can bring in some good Defensemen for 18m, I wouldn’t waste it on Markov he’s not gonna be around when we win a cup be smart MB spend it to improve the team.

    • Max says:

      That’s completey reasonable for our best all around defenseman and arguably a top 15-20 d-man in the league.He’s 35ish now and would be about 38ish at the end of a three year deal.Still a very good player and one of the only remaining habs that were completely drafted and developed by the team.

    • Mike D says:

      I am in the camp that wants to see Marky stay, but am also firm that 2 years is the right length for a contract. Perhaps the long-standing relationship, which I can only assume is a positive one, between Andrei and the team can evolve to a Teemu-like situation that he had with the Ducks. I believe Lidstrom had a similar understanding with Detroit. Towards the end of their careers they signed 1 year deals with the built-in understanding that if the player was still competent enough and wanted to continue playing, there would be another 1 year deal at fair money to follow. They were never really true free agents because you know neither side had interest in seeing the player in a different jersey.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Where did McKenzie get this?

      If he tapped a phone or listened at the key-hole, that’s one thing. But if it was leaked, well then someone wants the info to be out there, for strategic reasons.

  26. Habfan17 says:

    You can tell their isn’t enough to talk about when Nygren can say he wants to play in Montreal and if that is not going to happen, he would accept a trade so he can have an opportunity to make the NHL. WOW!! big news, a drafted 24 year old hockey player wants to get a chance to make the NHL, CHill out those of you who think this is a bad thing. We have no idea what his exact words were, we get the reporters version. We also have no idea what communication has gone on between the Habs and the player and his agent.

    Why blow this out of proportion? The young man wants his chance.
    Most players by his age have been brought up. He has done very well against men, and comes to all the Canadian’s evaluation camps each year and training camp. He has not rocked any boats. he just wants a fair shot. He did NOT say anything negative about the Habs organization!!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Maybe there should be a template introduction to all of our posts. I liked MTLF starting with “Armchair GM” earlier — how quickly we forget our furniture base.

      And now, 17, we could also stencil in: “I am basing the following comments on the inevitably distorted reports I have seen in the media”!

      As for Nygren, I simply hope that if he’s good and his addition would allow certain other D-men to play their natural side, that any protocols he MAY have wrecklessly or deliberately broken will not result in an unwarranted departure.

      Unless he plain doesn’t want to be a Hab. Then let him go. With Kessler! And Vinnie!

      • Habfan17 says:

        I like your suggestion D.M.! I will try to remember to adopt it!

        I do agree, if he doesn’t want to play in Montreal, then move him and get equal value in return, please no Gomez type deals.

        That is not how I interpreted his comments. It sounds to me like he wants to make the team next season. If they decide they don’t have a place for him, he wants get traded and have the chance to play rather than go back to Sweden. At his age and with what he has accomplished, I get it!


    • Mike D says:

      You might very well be right ’17, and many of us (including myself) hope you are.

      Comments like those Nygren made tend to get our collective backs up though, only because the Habs organization has a strong record of trading players who have made similar comments. Add in MB’s and MT’s extra emphasis on character and it adds to the ire.

      Again, I’m not saying the Habs brass WILL look upon this negatively, and you are correct in saying that we don’t know what conversations have been had between Nygren’s camp and the Habs’ camp. As another poster pointed out though, he could just as easily have said that he wants to make the big club next year and left the word, “trade” out of it completely, perhaps saving it for behind-closed-doors conversations with his agent or MB.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  27. Mike D says:

    Wondering if the commentariat can answer a question for me, specifically those who are more astute when it comes to prospects and development…..

    After the NHL, what are the next “best” leagues in terms of the quality of hockey and players found there? Let’s say the top 5 leagues around the world, and yes I realize this is somewhat subjective.

    I’ve assumed the KHL was 2nd and the AHL 3rd but not sure if that’s correct or what leagues would come after.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  28. Luke says:

    Hello Folks! Welcome to Monday (For most of us, I assume).

    Happy Birthday to Dunboyne Mike!

  29. Maritime Ronn says:

    I haven’t scrolled through all the comments and while it’s very likely this has been mentioned….it appears the ‘condition’ for the 5th round pick for Leblanc is that he must play at least 15 games at the NHL level with the Ducks.
    Chances of getting that pick look somewhere between slim and none.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Let’s hope the Ducks have a lot of minor injuries next season and they have to play him 🙂


    • Phil C says:

      In other words, the Habs got exactly what he is worth right now.

    • Cal says:

      No Koivu and no Selanne may open up enough spots for him to get a look. If not, at least LL still has a shot at some kind of hockey career.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      Ronn, don’t discount a motivated LL, the inevitable injuries a team gets over the course of the year and his versatility (RW, C)

      Another anomaly … from my subjective view, Louis played his best games against the West and Western style teams (Philly). I felt he was strong on the boards and like too many of our younger players (again, this is subjective) plays worse in the AHL than NHL.

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • kalevine says:

      why did they stop there? Why not make it a 4th rounder if he plays 25 games, 3rd rounder for 35 games, etc

  30. Maritime Ronn says:

    Good morning

    A big happy birthday to one of my favs Ireland Mike

  31. Cal says:

    Yet here, Dunboyne? To the board, to the board, for shame!
    Your class sits awaiting your broad shoulders and your tale,
    And you are stay’d for. There- my blessing with thee!
    Add these few precepts to thy memory
    Look thou character. Give thy thoughts full tongue,
    And all unproportion’d thoughts do act.
    Be thou familiar, and by all means be vulgar:
    Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
    Grapple them to a post with hoops of steel;
    Yet do grease thy palms with sleazy entertainment
    Trial for each new-hatch’d, unfledg’d comrade. Beware
    Of entrance to HIO quarrels; but being in,
    Give bearing so that those opposed must beware of thee.
    Give every post thine ear, but do remove the wax first;
    Take each member’s census, yet reserve no judgment.
    Costly is this hard habit as thy purse can buy,
    But not express’d in tickets; be rich, but not gaudy;
    For the red white and blue jersey oft proclaims the man,
    And they in Ireland of the best rank and station
    Are most select and generous, chief in that.
    Do either a borrower and a plagiarizer be;
    For theft oft proves both a thing’s value and worth,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of creative desperation.
    This above all- to thine own self be true,
    And so this must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst then be false to any man.
    Farewell. My blessed hockey season this in thee!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:


      Gem-studded! “Costly is the hard habit!” “Remove the wax first”! “Borrowing etc”!

      Chunks of this should be posted on the right side here, under “The Rules”!

      I am touched. Here’s a hoop of steel.


  32. Mike D says:

    First things first.

    Happy (29th) B-Day to our pal Dunboyne Mike.

    Secondly, it’s too bad that NHL GM’s haven’t adopted the “sign and trade” methodology. At first I thought only getting a 5th for LL was a bad move by MB, but then quickly realized he was a free agent who had been middling in the AHL for a while and was then happily surprised we even got a 5th for him (conditional, I know). If NHL GM’s used the sign and trade, we could have given LL a fair 1-2 year contract and got more value in return, either on his own or as part of a package.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks, from DMike to MikeD

      Yeah, 29th. My Groundhog Year.

    • Phil C says:

      As an RFA, signing him would not change his value on the trade market. It’s not like LeBlanc can chose to be a free agent. All Anaheim has to do is make him a qualifying offer and they will retain him.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think even that qualifying offer is a stumbling block. As a former first-rounder, the qualifying amount is set at a relatively high $1 170 000. I think the Ducks will probably try to sign him to less than that, part of the reason for the conditions on the 5th rounder.

        This isn’t the first time we’ve seen this. Last season the Canadiens couldn’t trade away RFA Yannick Weber, and didn’t want to qualify him at his going rate, which would have been over a million as well. So they let him walk on July 1, he became a free agent, and the Canucks took a chance on him, but at a more cap-friendly $650 000.

        The situation is a little different, the Canucks got Yannick Weber once he was UFA, whereas Louis Leblanc is still RFA. His agent may hold firm on the dollar amount, and think if the Ducks don’t want to match that, he may be better off waiting until July 1 and getting his UFA status, and taking his chances with another organization that is more ‘interested’ in him.

        But if I’m Louis, I understand that my NHL career is relatively imperiled, and I take what the Ducks offer and I’m a really good soldier who keeps his nose clean and his head down.

        • Phil C says:

          They would have to let him become a UFA in order to sign him for less. Probably why the pick is conditional.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Actually, both parties can agree to a lesser amount. It’s just that the player can demand his minimum qualifying offer, or declare himself a UFA.

            It’s happened in the past when a player signs for less than the qualifying offer, if he feels his status with his current team is precarious, or if he’s offered something in return, like a one-way deal instead of a two-way.

  33. Habfan17 says:

    Since it seems to be such a big deal that a 24 year old defenceman says basically that he would like to play in Montreal and if he is not in their plans, would like to be traded so he gets the opportunity to play in the NHL . I will throw this out there!

    Nygren is 24, has played against men for 4 seasons in a league that is at a higher level than the AHL! Two years ago, he won the equivalent of the Norris trophy. He plays in all situations and has a cannon for a shot.

    Nygren sees this as the make it year for him. It is his goal to play in the NHL. Emelin came over at the same age and did not play in Hamilton. Nygren is in a parallel situation. He is not a green rookie coming out of junior or a 20 year old having only played in the AHL for a year.

    I can see why Bergevin would like to sign Markov for one season, maybe two. Partnering him with Nygren on the 2nd pairing would be great for Nygren and insulate him a bit while he adjusts.

    Having Emelin with PK. Markov with Nygren, and Tinordi/Beaulieu with Weaver/Pateryn would make the defence balanced and may have a half season , full season of growing pains, but will be much stronger going forward. With Price, it is worth doing in my opinion.

    In the end, it is much ado about nothing. The young man wants a legitimate shot! Good for him!!


    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think either Pateryn or Nygren gets traded. With Tinordi, NB assumed as being on the team, how many young d can you add that quickly? Do we really want 4 d in their first full year on the roster, or even 4 to come in over two years with Thrower and a few others maybe waiting in the wings. Experience is more important on D than any where else. I don’t know the answer, but it would be a tough question as a GM. Either way I think someone goes, for a second or maybe as part of a package.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Except that both Nygren and Pateryn are not young like Beaulieu and Tinordi, both of whom could go back for another season in Hamilton to be the number one pairing.

        That is the issue with having so many defencemen around the same age, they can’t all make the team and some will end up traded if they are ready to play in the NHL.

        I think Thrower is at least 3 years away. He just finished junior. Ellis I see as a trade possibility and when Dietz is ready, and if he turns out the way he is projected, I could then see the Habs trading Pateryn. These kids are at least 2 years away.
        Having Emelin with PK, Gorges/Markov with Nygren and Beaulieu with Weaver/Pateryn is not that much of a risk.

        The Habs did bring both Diaz and Emelin in at the same time when the team and the goaltending was not as good!


  34. franco says:


    Bergevin works on a budget, lets say 25 million to run the administration, management, scouting and coaching.

    Lets say in order to reward Therien he gives him 4 years a 1.2 million or so, with the severence built in, after all coaches usually get fired, because the fans become restless and moves have to be made, it is the nature of the game.

    Bergevin has to make the playoffs, so he will not break in to many rookies at one time, veterans have to be kept to make the transition smooth and make the PLAYOFFS. Then take a run and hopefully go deep.

    Molson his then happy, some fans will never be happy, but making money is the prime motivator.

    Core players have to be kept and some need to mature into their roles, this take veteran leadership.

    Would not be surprised to see Gionta and Boulion back for support and easing in of newer players.

    Galchenuk and Eller will slowly given more responsibility and D.D. will continue to keep Patriocetty scoring. They have good chemistry. Some changes will be happening but the operative word would be proceed with caution, this is going in the right direction.

    Hope I have not insulted anyone, you are a sensitive lot. Cheers.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      “Do you even WATCH hockey?”

      Cheers. All makes sense to me.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Franco. Pretty much bang on my friend. We are somewhat thin at the AHL level anyway, so not many young players to be added this year. Vanek, Briere, and Bourque may or not stay. So we could get into the free agent hoop-lah!

      But if they have decided that Tinordy and Beaulieu are in their future plans, they will have to make a coach out of Boullion for the AHL me tinks!

  35. Paz says:

    Got this from EOTP, in the article Nygren states that he wants to play in the NHL and if it’s not with the Habs he would want to be traded.

    That is the “kiss of death” for Bergevin.

    Nygren will be traded at the draft, and I’m hoping we get a 2nd round pick for him. The one we’re missing in the draft since the Vanek deal


    FERRY CITY BKLANDSLAGMONTRÉALNHLNYHETERSHARES “Montréal stands out of the way if I want to become traded” 98 posted Yesterday 18:30 Written by Ola Winther 0 Comments nygren Magnus Nygren.Foto: All Over Press
    After another great season with the World Cup games that result is Magnus Nygren ready to again try his luck in North America. Should he fail to take an NHL sweater in Montréal, he hopes to become traded, a desire Canadiens do not oppose.
    – Montréal have said they do not stand in the way if I want to become traded, as long as they can get something back, says Nygren hockeysverige.se.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Sorry, even though I’ve been up for a few more hours, I’m missing one step in this logic. NHL = Habs or Another Team. Where’s the KoD?

      • Paz says:

        Stating this publicly will be frowned upon when you play for Bergevin, in my opinion.

        He could have said simply that he “wants to play in the NHL and he’s hoping to make the Habs in the fall”.

        The whole “trade” part was not needed and is provocative.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Ok gotcha.
          I have no concept of Nygren, and there are opposing views of him (and his apparent attitude) here. What’s your take?

          • Paz says:

            He has offensive talent, a 100 mph slap shot that can be used on the power play. He has put up big numbers in Sweden and he won an award as the Best Defenceman there 2 years ago.

            The fact that he left Hamilton was not a “feather in his cap”, at all.

            The fact that he is even discussing “trade” publicly is disturbing.

            Both of these facts run contrary to the philosophy of placing the team’s needs ahead of your own, and are therefore considered “taboo” by NHL GM’s.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Therefore acting on poor advice? Or are we looking at a deliberate exit strategy?

            And does he shoot right?! Oh no!

            (Hm, PK rode the pine at the Olympics….)

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ Paz. The Habs were onboard with his decision to go back and play in Sweden, Based on what you posted above, it seems that the team wants to have him make the team and if they decide he is not ready, they will move him to give him a chance. Big deal. That is a class move by the Habs and good on him for recognizing that at 24, he needs to make it before he loses too much ground.


      • Habfan17 says:

        I am with you Mike! This is much ado about nothing! So the kid says basically, if I am in your plans, I would play in Montreal, if I am not in your plans, I would like the opportunity somewhere else.

        He is not a young kid, he is 24. He has been playing against men for 4 or 5 seasons. He won the best defenceman in the league two years ago. I can see at his age he does not want to lose time and opportunity and he sees the Habs have a lot of depth with right handed defencemen. If they go out and sign or trade for another, that would push him back again!

        He can play in all situations, has skill and a big shot. I could see him and Pateryn in Montreal next season if they have a solid camp. Nygren is not your typical rookie. He is more like Emelin when he came over.


    • Habfan17 says:

      I don’t see an issue here! Nygren has done very well and feels the AHL is below the Swedish league he plays in. He wants to be an NHL player. So, he says he would play in Montreal, but would accept a trade if that is not going to happen. It sounds to me like he is saying, if I am not in your plans, I would like the opportunity to make the NHL somewhere else. Nothing wrong with that!

      If that is your dream, would you want to stay in an organization that does not plan on bringing you up?


      • Paz says:

        You don’t say that publicly and play for the Habs for very long.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I think you are making more of this than should be! I think it says the opposite, that he is not content to just bide his time! You and I have no idea what conversations have gone on between Bergevin and the player. We are getting what a reporter printed. Take it with a grain of salt! He did not demand a trade or disrespect the organization. Players have said and done far worse and stayed with their teams!


  36. Montreal Canadiens #26 2014 Pick

    @CH Marshall, Habitant in Surrey, Dunboyne Mike
    Between paint drying on my custom sports figures I have a little time on my hands. 🙂

    I bought a movie editing program for my Bantam hockey team, we do all kind of fun stuff. Pre-game interviews, post-game interviews, I sometimes have a player stand at center ice before a game and conduct it there. Then on Facebook I put them all together with other things I do for the kids.

    For me hockey is all about recovery from depression and concussions. The more time I spend working on hockey the more time I heal.

    It goes on and on. Pre-game write ups, post game reports, hockey cards, posters, locker room stall name plates, BSN (Brandon Sports Network) interviews on video. It never ends and it’s awesome.

    But the best part is when someone comments about why I do and then I get to talk about concussions, the link between concussions and PTSD, and depression.There are a ton of people who still don’t get it, and I feel I was given a second chance to help.

    Because of my business I can do that. I work on my customers, and there is always some down time, so I plan my days’ worth of hockey ideas.

    I worked on father’s day, but it wasn’t work, crazy isn’t it?
    Peace out, only 14 weeks before hockey season starts.

    Shane Oliver
    Brandon Predators End Season Video

  37. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning from Ireland to all.

    I have borrowed MRonn’s big Nova Scotia spoon to stir some fertilizer in relation to the World Cup.

    If you have 4 mins, why not click on this link and then listen to the first of Michael Enright’s essays. A provocative and contrarian take on FIFA, football, and the World Cup.


    (Blatter makes Bettman look like Mr Hooper from Sesame Street).

  38. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning everyone. I feel awful I missed our friend Mike’s Birthday yesterday. Is it too late to sing to him?

    All together now,

    Happy Birthday to you, Happy Birthday………………..

  39. Habfan17 says:

    @ Habitant In Surrey.

    It is nice to try to see who would fit. Here is my opinion on the 4 you mentioned based on TSN.

    He has said he wants to go to a U.S. Team. I agree, he would look good in a Habs uniform.

    We don’t want to keep Gionta and we are divided on resigning Markov and most agree, we don’t think Markov should get more than 2 years. Thornton has never lead his team to the promised land in San Jose. His contract is too long, not a good option in my mind. Bergevin said he wants to build long term. Thornton is not long term at his age! $6.75 Million for 3 more years, 34 years old now.

    Same comments as the ones on Thornton. He may be a great fit on a very young team looking for balance or a team that Is a contender now. Not for the Habs. $6.66 million a year for 3 more years, 34 years old now! Not to mention signing Marleau would probably hold back moving Galchenyuk to centre unless both DD and Pleks were traded. Add in the cost to acquire him.

    Has a chronic back problem and the reason he wants out of Ottawa is he is tired of being blamed when the Sens don’t do well. How would he deal with the pressure in Montreal? Murray also wants way too much!!

    I would rather they try to sign Statsny if he makes it to free agency and then trade DD and Pleks. Statsny is younger and fits better with a long term plan.

    Habitant in Surrey posted;
    ” Mea Culpa

    Earlier I posted a comment about a TSN poll of which 4 potential centres considered to be available over this summer, and Your interest to have which one on your team for a year

    The 4 I cited were Thornton, Marleau, Lecavalier and Spezza

    I wrongly noted Lecavalier …TSN did not include him

    Indeed TSN’s 4 choices were Thornton, Marleau, Spezza …AND Ryan Kesler ! …not Lecavalier

    Okay, after screwing that up, how about, would Ryan Kesler be a fit for Our Habs ?

    Myself, I agree with most of You who feel We will have to give up too much in a trade to obtain any of the 4, but …I will again put it out there, which of those 4 otherwise fits the need of Our Team ?

    I pointed out Marleau before as the only one of the previous 4 I would be interested to consider if ‘forced’ to make a choice

    …but, Kesler added to the questions’ equation, he along with Marleau are the only 2 of the lot I would consider

    How does Kesler and Patch sound on the same line ?”


    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Steve. Great post to read first thing in the morning. I can’t help but think Thorton would be so inspired to play against the Bruins that he might be worth a shot.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Good morning Jim,

        Thank you! You may have something there! I am leery of his age and term, but if the other two centres were Eller and Galchenyuk, it would give the Habs size and depth down the middle. Then having Gallgaher with Patches makes more sense too! Although, I think another sniper may be a better option, Thornton has always been more of a set up guy!


      • Habfan17 says:

        I gave this some more thought! Since we can dream here, if the Sharks would take Gorges and Pleks for Thornton, and Florida would trade Gudbranson for Beaulieu and Ellis. Then Bergevin signs Kulemin and Raymond. Let’s Gionta go and Markov resigns for two years and Weaver for one;
        Patches, Thornton, Gallagher
        Raymond, Eller, Bourque
        Bournival, Galchenyuk, Kulemin
        Prust, White?, Weise

        Emelin, Subban
        Markov, Gudbranson
        Tinordi, Weaver


      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Good morning Steve and 17.
        scamorza also put his head above the parapet on SThornton. For me, I couldn’t now, not after the water-bottle and the Orpik sucker-punch. Plus, he’s OLD.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Hey Mike! happy belated Birthday!

          I forgot about the “incidents” He is older, and he has not been able to lead his team to the cup. In the right situation, maybe he helps.
          Not as a corner stone, but size up the middle ad points would help. Of the 4 centres mentioned, I think he might be the best option.


  40. jon514 says:

    I can’t believe we let Brady Vail walk away… Why did we do that exactly?

    • Paz says:

      to make room in the top 9 for Jacob de la Rose

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hiya Ed. Not having the opportunity to see Vail play and de la Rose only once, I’ll trust your judgement as usual.

        It does appear that the biggest weakness of the Hab’s youth movement going forward is at the forward positions. That’s what stings about Louie L not developing. That first round pick will leave a wound for awhile.

        • Paz says:

          Louie got stung by two major blows; first was his upper ankle injury which is a tough one for hockey players; and second was the change in management.

          If Gainey was still the GM Leblanc would be battling for a spot on this year’s team.

          “not developing” is not the way I would phrase it.

          Louis is “still” developing and he could “still” make an NHL career for himself.

          Just because Bergevin doesn’t see a fit for him doesn’t mean he won’t develop and find a fit elsewhere.

          Good morning Jim, always good to hear from you!

    • Bill J says:

      I trust GMMB, and one of two things IMO impacted this:

      1) GMMB didn’t like what he saw, character or hockey sense.
      2) vail didn’t want to sign with MTL…

      Just because a team owns a players rights, doesn’t mean they HAVE to sign with that team….

      Go Habs Go!

  41. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili and Tony Parker are far more respected in My books to win the NBA championship than any trio with a Lebron James or Chris Bosh.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I concur. Lebron and company were way to cocky thinking that all of a sudden they would just win constantly and the championships would just be lined up….

      The Spurs since 1999 have been to the finals six times winning five of them. That is pretty impressive

  42. ClutchNGrab says:

    I hope the organization doesn’t see Tinordi as an enforcer. Losing a d-man for 5 minutes with the risks of having him concussed or injured is a bad way to develop a first round pick. If i have to think of a player he should imulate, it would be Chara, play tough, but his primary goal wouldn’t be to fight.

    The enforcer playing for baie-comeau is Bokondji Imama


    Now let’s just hope the league gets some common sense and works to eliminate fighting in the nhl.

    • JUST ME says:

      If they do see him as en enforcer then they are in deep trouble cause he is not. He can clear the crease and play physical hockey but that`s it. I do not think that the organization sees him as such but many here on HIO think he can fill that role wich he cannot really .There is a huge difference between a guy that can defend himself if needed and a guy who can make law and order on the ice.

  43. Un Canadien errant says:

    Poster rhino514 said on the previous page:

    “Having said that, I do find it odd that suddenly we were hearing reports a couple of seasons back on Leblanc having to skate with giant elastic bands, and empty garbage bags for wind resistance.”

    This story got a lot more coverage in the French press than on the English side. It got little coverage in the Gazette, but La Presse and RDS were all over it. My hunch based on that was that these comments came from his mom, she would have been worried about her son and his state of mind, and driven to talk to people she knew, in French, the language she was comfortable with.

    Here’s a writeup from RDS, with the original article from 98.5FM. It’s in French, maybe use Google translate on it if needed. And for those of you who question the coaching and development going on in Hamilton, this will only exacerbate the situation.



    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      Yes, I am very ‘exacerbated’ (that sounds naughty )

      Funny, I have been talking about My doubts of Lefevre since last December/January …nobody else seemed too worried …but the issue seems to be catching fire now.

      Lefevre also likely 80 % the reason the Swede D-man returned to Sweden.

      Our prospects, knowing what We have in Montreal just will not cut-it as far as a Stanley Cup is concerned, are Our crown jewels for any future contention.

      We can not afford another year of mediocre coaching in Hamilton.

      …now, where did I place Marc’s phone number ?

    • BJ says:

      UCE I’ve been saying that for two years. Levebvre does not inspire confidence and has no apparent system. I say this based on having suffered through watching about 50 Bulldogs games over the last two years. Levebvre is not the man for the job, he seems to be another individual that is not secure in his persona and needs to “bully” his way through rather than teach and develop. I realize that its not kindergarden but this “hard ass ” mentality just doesn’t go any more.

      • kalevine says:

        this is very worrying indeed. How can the team get to the next level if its main minor league club is a mess? And Bergevin doesn’t see this?

  44. MTLF says:

    Armchair GM – Trade Gionta, Vanek walks, for the Right Wing bring in Ryan Callahan and Devin Setoguchi

    Left Wing – Matt Moulson and Mason Raymond,

    Improve the Defense and we are all set for another good playoff run, a Stanley Cup ??????????

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Nice one, MTLF!

      Probably every single post on HIO should begin with that honest concession you have at the beginning of yours:

      “Armchair GM”!

  45. Un Canadien errant says:

    For Dunboyne Mike, the “Happy Birthday” song by Montrealer Jon Lajoie.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  46. MTLF says:

    I have a feeling the only changes we are going to see with the Habs, will be on the Backend and a replacement for Vanek, let some other sucker take Vanek.

  47. PK says:

    Two professional trophies over the course of one weekend.
    Spurs are an example of longevity … perennial contenders, if you will … Would like to see Habs be Cup contenders: year in, year out.
    A few players moving around does not matter … Here is hoping that MB has a view of the Big Picture …

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  48. kerrgte says:

    So, PK salary negotiations will soon start.

    Will he be the highest paid player in the league? I’m hoping not. I’m hoping there’s a reasonableness in his agent’s bargaining position. I’d like to see $6-$7 mill only. This would be in line with Price and would enable some cap space for any UFA hirings – an there will be one or two.

    I like the LA team (see Capgeek) as a model in which there are several excellent players making in the $4-5 mill range and noone making more than $7mill (doughty). I think huge disparities in salary don’t help the chemistry in a team. You get the haves and have-nots. Also, there is future cap flexibility to think about, so a huge eg $8-$9 mill hit can become crippling.

    I’m confident in MB’s bargaining smarts and I bet he opts toward the LA model.

    • Phil C says:

      PK’s salary should be easy to set. Doughty and Weber are excellent comparables, then adjust (upward) for the new cap compared to the cap when the others signed. The only question is term. Will the Habs want 8 years, or will they opt for the flexibility of a 5-6 deal? The Habs have not really gone super long term before so it will be interesting if they make an exception for PK.

  49. CJ says:

    Spurs, dominant. Kaymer, dominant. My golf game today, NOT dominant….

    • Phil C says:

      Golf is a cruel mistress. She fills you with hope and anticipation, then humiliates you in front of your friends.

      Kaymer is awesome. They were commenting on the golf channel how amazing and unusual it is to have no weaknesses in your game. Even guys like Tiger (driver) or Mickelson (putting) have areas where they could improve. This guy could win a lot of majors if he stays healthy.

  50. Un Canadien errant says:

    What a waste. I log on to HIO and see what’s been going on since this morning, and I see Chris’ avatar with one of his patented 8 paragraph posts that generate dozens of replies. I rub my hands with glee, mute the TV and dive in…

    …and find out that it’s about soccer. Boooooo!

    You owe us one Chris.

    And Bellyfull, it’s about time you step up to the plate too…

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      Things were fine until You popped in Norm.

      All a matter of personal perception. 🙂

    • JohnBellyful says:

      I’m pacing myself. Once a week stuff.
      I’m old, it’s a lonnnng summer, and I hate Bettman and his crew. (There is a connection in all this.)
      Anyways, semi-fresh from the weebly vault, put in storage just after midnight this morning, for the dozen or so folk who visit the site (thanks, gang, for purchasing the JB decoder rings) …

      Montreal – The Montreal Canadiens and their number one centre, David Desharnais, have agreed to a one-foot extension.
      The controversial procedure, which has grown in popularity by leaps and bounds since medieval times, would make the five-foot-seven-inch forward the tallest player on the team.
      “The playoffs, especially with Los Angeles winning its second Cup in three years, showed no club can afford to have a small player centering its top line,” Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin said. “I talked it over with David and he agreed he had to step up his game. He initially suggested six inches, I insisted on one foot.”
      Desharnais said he was prepared to do anything to help the team.
      “If I want my game to grow I need to grow,” he said.
      The diminutive forward acknowledged there is “a potential for permanent injury” inherent in putting his body through a series of “alterations by artificial means,” involving racks, pulleys, implants, coils, steel-boned corsets, blue whale extract, and neck rings, but he has been assured by the Canadiens’ medical team “the risks associated with achieving maximal height are minimal.”
      Besides, he added, he liked the idea of no longer being referred to as “wee Davey but as David the Goliath instead.”
      Bergevin said he had no intention of re-signing Brian Gionta unless it was as “Brian Gianta.”
      The GM also announced that he had extended coach Michel Therrien’s contract by four years.
      “Michel said he needed a commitment from the team that would allow him to be more innovative in his coaching without fear of jeopardizing future earnings,” he said. “I agreed that knowing his income was assured for the next four years would give him the freedom to think more about the big picture and not have to focus on simply making the playoffs to guarantee a pay cheque.”
      Therrien confirmed what many suspected: He kept playing veterans this season because they offered a better chance of winning in the short term, even though it was at the expense of integrating talented, younger players into the lineup.
      “Hey, I groaned every time I had to send Frankie over the boards for another shift or dressed Moen, but what could I do? It was win at all costs or be out of a job,” Therrien said. “Now, if I’m out of a job, at least I’ll get paid.”
      Therrien said Montreal fans “can expect to see a steady diet of Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn, Andrighetto, De La Rose, Crisp, McCarron and Gregoire next winter – two, three years in the minors be damned!”
      And it will be a different Therrien at the helm when – if — PK Subban, a restricted free agent, re-signs.
      “PK’s the man but under the system I have in mind he’ll be Subbanman,” said Therrien, stealing a tag from a revered Habitant pundit.
      “I’m giving him free rein. A stud like that that, you don’t hitch to a wagon, even if it’s a fire wagon, you let it gallop, you let it lead the stampede.”
      Bergevin told reporters he would be making another major announcement tomorrow. He refused to provide a hint but there’s strong speculation anthem singer Ginette Reno is about to sign on for a longer gig.

      Now you know why I’ve been keeping a low profile : [ooh, that was close]

    • Chris says:

      What in the heck would I talk about? There won’t be anything of substance to discuss in hockey world for 2 weeks. And even then, I think the Habs are going to be very quiet.

      Truth be told, I am increasingly enjoying soccer (and I’ve always loved it) and decreasingly enjoying hockey, which has become somewhat boring of late. I think every kid should play soccer, even if it isn’t their first sport, because it does place a huge emphasis on positioning and moving into space. I also think the tactics of the game and the necessity of being patient to let a play develop are excellent skills to develop.

      In the old days, kids played hockey in the winter only, and then they played baseball (Gretzky was a very good softball player), soccer (Peter Zezel could have been a professional soccer player in Canada, and he always credited soccer for his strong faceoff skills) and lacrosse (Joe Nieuwendyk was a famously good lacrosse player as a kid). I don’t think is an accident that the NHL players all enjoy playing soccer in the hallways before games. 🙂

      Now, it is hockey 24/7/365. It is tiresome. It is a uniquely North American trait to deride the game that captivates the most people around the world. Give me a soccer game any day of the week over NFL football, which is 10 minutes of action and 50 minutes of replays and hyping up the last play. I’ll never understand how that sport became so popular, honestly.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I agree everyone should play it. But regarding the game at professional and international level, I’d have a lot of sympathy with Michael Enright as linked above:


        Do you dare?! (4 mins)

        • Chris says:

          That essay is a load of crap.

          Blaming the violence on the game is beyond stupid.

          Let’s see…the Brazilian situation first: Brazil is a very unsafe country, with a murder rate that is 20th in the world and first among major economies. Over 50,000 people were murdered in Brazil in 2012. Contrast that with 543 in Canada in the same year. Brazil, with a population that is about 6 times that of Canada, has a murder rate that is 100 times higher.

          Then he goes on to link a violent incident in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. Are we freaking serious? Perhaps the most violent country in the world, DRC is so riven by tribal and political tensions that it has been tragedy after tragedy.

          I will concede that the hooliganism of soccer is off-putting. We are somewhat fortunate that the fanaticism of North American sports fans (excepting a few high profile cases of beatings by rival fans in recent years) has not gotten to that level. The racist chants in some of the southern European countries are disgusting.

          But my own soccer fanaticism is linked to my father’s Danish background. The Danish fans created the roligans in the face of the English hooligans that were tormenting Europe at the time, and they were generally lauded for representing the way fans should enjoy the game.

          I cannot blame the violence on the game itself…I blame the violence on individuals who would find some other cause to act violently in the absence of soccer. The group I play with soccer every week features individuals from China, Japan, Germany, Poland, Iran, Cameroon, South Sudan, South Africa, Chile, Argentina, Colombia, England, Holland, Mexico, Kenya, and Brazil. The African guys are particularly interesting to talk to…the guy from South Sudan described growing up dirt poor, and he and his friends would save up money to buy a baloon and then would wrap it in tape that they could get from local businesses. Once it was wrapped enough, they would use that “ball” until the balloon inside popped, and then they would scrounge to buy another.

          For them, soccer was the outlet from the rampant violence of their country. They spent their hours out in the sandlot soccer “fields” to avoid the trouble that was everywhere else.

          I have no patience for blaming violent behaviour on the sport. The individuals that perpetuate the riots and the beatings and all the other nonsense are unquestionably violent in their everyday lives, and that unfortunately spills over into the game.

          But to blame the game, which preaches fair play and non-violence, is just idiotic.

  51. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Mea Culpa

    Earlier I posted a comment about a TSN poll of which 4 potential centres considered to be available over this summer, and Your interest to have which one on your team for a year

    The 4 I cited were Thornton, Marleau, Lecavalier and Spezza

    I wrongly noted Lecavalier …TSN did not include him

    Indeed TSN’s 4 choices were Thornton, Marleau, Spezza …AND Ryan Kesler ! …not Lecavalier

    Okay, after screwing that up, how about, would Ryan Kesler be a fit for Our Habs ?

    Myself, I agree with most of You who feel We will have to give up too much in a trade to obtain any of the 4, but …I will again put it out there, which of those 4 otherwise fits the need of Our Team ?

    I pointed out Marleau before as the only one of the previous 4 I would be interested to consider if ‘forced’ to make a choice

    …but, Kesler added to the questions’ equation, he along with Marleau are the only 2 of the lot I would consider

    How does Kesler and Patch sound on the same line ?

    • MTLF says:

      myself, Spezza he can score and is a pretty good playmaker. perfect for our power play also a point a-game player something we don’t have.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’m a broken record on this issue for the last few seasons, but my take is we’re not one player away from contending. We need to improve organically, by drafting and developing our own players, avoiding bad whiffs like we just made official with Louis Leblanc. We can’t make a big trade for a frontline centre and create a hole somewhere else, rob Peter to pay Paul.

      If we do trade, we need to trade for younger players, trade our surplus for another team’s surplus. We have a lot of mid-range defence prospects, mostly all righties, let’s swap some of that for big wingers who need some more AHL time. We have a few NHL centres, and Daniel Brière who can play there also. Let’s draw from that glut and strengthen an area of weakness.

      As much as I like Ryan Kesler, the cost will be too steep. A team that feels like it’s one centre away from contending will pay a lot for him. He would be a great fit in Montréal though, if we talk purely about the player. A big centre who skates like all get-out, plays special teams, can pass, can snipe. He’s a rightie, so a Max and Ryan Kesler combo would be a natural. On the powerplay, teams couldn’t cover both of them for one-timers, and then P.K. also.

      And Vinny, well, he said he liked Philly, the town, and he liked the organization, he can stay there and be booed for another four years to his retirement, and like that too. He worried about the booing his family might receive if he played here, and then after he decided to sign elsewhere. Well, he’s going to know from booing. I wouldn’t take that simpering liar on my team at minimum wage.

      • PK says:

        Well stated, as usual.

        >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
        _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

        “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

        – Nostradamus, 1552

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        A bit brief for you, UCE! But I concur with every word.

    • habsfan0 says:

      PK & Kadri have one thing in common.
      They were both Habs fans since they were kids.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Thanks C-Sword.
      Even through the shades, you can read the Habs-Envy in Kadri’s eyes.
      Is there a date for that pic?

      Just seeing PK’s face reminds me of how much I laughed and cheered (all on my own 1000s of miles away) when I read he said he LOVED playing in Boston!

  52. MTLF says:

    You gotta know how serious management are about winning a cup, if they are not overly serious more concern about making the playoffs until the young guns graduate than there’s not many changes needed, really no one has to go they just proved they’re good enough to make the playoffs. The teams that didn’t make it will have to improve some what for the Habs not to make it. Playoff team, minor changes, Stanley Cup team major changes they should use LA or Chicago as an example…

  53. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Possibilities on RW this upcoming season:

    Top line: I’d love to see Corey Perry……

    OK then one of Chris Stewart or Drew Stafford could be a target…would cost us Plek and a prospect I imagine. That might be too high a price to pay. If Habs go UFA route Vrbata, Kulemin or Setoguchi are available. The last two are younger and all would provide some scoring and size. Today’s rumour out of Minnesota suggests that Minnesota might not be as enamoured with Vanek as once thought due to his less than stellar playoff performance. Could Montreal conduct successful negotiations with Vanek? The price would be in the $7 – 7.5 million a year range for 5 or 6 years. After everything I saw this year, I’d say no thanks at that price.

    Out of this group, I agree with poster CJ and others who like Kulemin. The enigmatic Russian has size and a thirty goal season on his resume. If he can be had for 4-5 years at $4 mil per he could play in the top six along with Gallagher.

    For the third liner I’d like to see Christian Thomas jump in and light it up. He has very good speed and that great release which makes him a good candidate to provide secondary scoring. He could play on a line with Eller and Bourque.

    Fourth line will hopefully feature Dale Weise. So the Habs would continue to feature 2 smaller guys on RW but both would work hard, provide some speed and grit and are threats to score. Thomas would be a cheap option that could surprise.

    24 cups and counting….

    • MTLF says:

      No Vanek, not a playoff player wants too much money give it to a couple of 20 goal scores.

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        Yes two 20 goal scorers would be better than one Vanek especially the “playoff version” of Vanek that we just saw…Hopefully 25 -27 years old too. Still young enough to give a damn….

        24 cups and counting….

        • CH Marshall says:

          A feeling was bothering me while watching Vanek, like I had seen this before. And it hit me: Kovalev!

          • PK says:

            I was disappointed and puzzled by Vanek in the playoffs.
            Such potential in that Colorado game in March.

            These athletes hopefully play for more than just money.
            Anyone watching the Spurs demolishing LeBron, tonight …
            for example?

            I would have Justin Williams and/or Dustin Brown rather than a floater like Vanek. Was he injured or just pouting?

            Well, he was not injured … we know that now.

            Will be interesting to see how the pieces land in this off-season

            >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

            – Nostradamus, 1552

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Agree — just could not fathom what he was doing/not doing on the ice. Hope he’s gone.

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      I love kulemin but he is a third line guy

      “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • piper says:

      I’d love to see Stewart with the Habs and if Plek and a prospect would do it IMO it should be done.
      Also like the idea of making an offer to Kulemin. He’s a big body with some scoring ability.

  54. Haberoooo13 says:

    All the Leblanc I told you so guys…
    Picked 18th by Habs, rated 13th by CSB in NA, rated 17th by MacKenzie who might be a bit of a know it all but he is touch with the scouting community.
    Every team has made bad picks, or picks that just didn’t pan out for various reasons.
    BTW 8th overall Scott Glennie 1 NHL GP

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  55. fastfreddy says:

    Regarding Markov, I’d take him back, but only at a) reduced $-say 4mil/yr tops and b) reduced playing time, approx.15 min/game. Just my thoughts.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Agreed, and would add further that he would be of great value to the team under such conditions. Bit of a holding pattern going on, with the Hamilton guys ready to go but not yet developed enough to fight for a Cup. Markov can contribute much at this juncture, and is not Old Yeller waiting to be taken behind the barn!

  56. 24 Cups says:

    Martin Kaymer shoots 59, wins the Player’s, the PGA and now the US Open. All of this at the age of 29.

    Just two more golf feats to go!

    24 Cups

  57. johnnylarue says:

    Happy Dunboyne Day, Mike!

    Enjoy your 30s–they’re really not as bad as everyone says…

  58. Habitant in Surrey says:

    Breithlá sona Dún Búinne Mike, agus go leor hangovers sásta le teacht!

  59. CJ says:

    Happy birthday Mike! Trusting you will have a wonderful day. Best wishes, CJ

  60. Mondou6 says:

    Are there any good “enforcers” on the market? I’d prefer a guy who had enough skill to be able to be on a playoff roster, and also able to fight against the typical goons. For example, when Price gets run, this guy would beat the crap out of Krieder.

    • scamorza says:

      Shawn Thornton

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • CJ says:

      Tinordi can take care of 98% of the guys in the league, including Krieder. For the top 2%, a guy like Tanner Glass could do the job. I think guys like MacLaren, Kassian, Orr won’t be in the league next year, so we may not need a top heavyweight. I really think Anthony Peluso, an RFA (jets), could be a low cost investment. He’s a top five guy in the league. Jack Nevins is a very promising up and comer. He handled Maggio, twice, in his end of season call up. Maggio is a top level fighter in the AHL.

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        CJ, agree completely – the guard will change next year. I suggested to Front that the Habs will go with their middlewights and Tinordi at least until November … I am really hoping that we learn from the West and if we need a 4 minute man we get Bissonette for the tweet value

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

        • CJ says:

          Biz Nasty would be decent, but his sideshow might not work in Montreal. He’s dynamite in Phoenix. Tyson Nash is still relevant in Phoenix though, which goes to show you how unique that market is.

          Anytime I think of fourth liners and Phoenix my focus immediately turns to Kyle Chipchura. What could have been if not for that devastating ankle (Achilles) injury. If not for that injury, he would be our second line centre and Captain IMO.

          • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

            Good points cj. I may be far off but it seemed to me that Kyle was headed out or town the moment he lost Matt Cooke on the neutral zone draw in game 1 visions of Enqvuist and Nattininen soon to follow.

            I guess I am saying that I think MB is going to challenge the current group to grow from their experience this year to stand up for themselves.

            “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

          • CJ says:

            Chipchura could still play on my team. 28 years old. Big, strong, can fight, durable all the while netting 20 points in 80 games last season. Oh, he’s also an awesome penalty killer.

            I’m actually mad even talking about it. Montreal would be a better team with Chipchura on it. Add it to the pile of mistakes….. Sigh….

      • Mondou6 says:

        Well, Tinordi was on our roster last year.

        I guess my point is this…We stake our Cup chances on Price. The Rangers pretty obviously planned to crash Price and it worked, they knocked him out, and won the series. No one on our team did anything about it. Krieder got away with it. Lundqvist was never touched. Is anything going to be different next year? Did we learn anything from it? Or is this a recurring theme, where other teams knock out Max, Eller, Price, and we sit back and take it? Because it seems like it’s becoming a pattern.

        • CJ says:

          Good points. Personally, and I’m pretty sure I’ve beaten this horse to death, my lineup would include Tinordi. I’d rather see Tinordi, Pateryn and Beaulieu then Frankie, Gorges and Emelin.

    • piper says:

      I think Tinordi can handle those types of incidents but I think the team needs a true enforcer. Ones that can also play need to be drafted because no one wants to trade them.

    • piper says:

      Has anyone here seen Trevor Stacey play for Sherbrooke? I see he can handle himself pretty well as a pugilist but how are his other skills?

      • CJ says:

        I saw him fight Marc Beckstead, a young guy who’s from my hometown and played with the Gatineau Olympiques. I remember watching his cousin, Mike Stacey, fight in the Quebec senior league when I used to watch the Cornwall Comets.

        Stacey is a pass. Nothing to see so far as I can remember. An interesting prospect might be a kid on Baie Comeau. He wore number 15. He was scrappy, but just turned 17. I believe he was Nigerian. I can’t recall his name, but he was full of piss and vinegar.

  61. Price07 says:

    So anyone still think Leblanc was a better pick than Kreider??

    • CJ says:

      I did at the time. Obviously I don’t now.

      I also once executed a buy order for Nortel at $76 a share. I also took the wrong girl to grade 8 graduation, should have gotten into law instead of commerce, tried beats and mushrooms earlier in life, hit a four instead of a five iron on number 8 this morning. You get the point….. Respectfully, what’s yours?

  62. piper says:

    Players that IMO should be on the block.
    Markovs rights.(may still be worth something)
    Plek or DD.

  63. habstrinifan says:

    This World Cup is doing soccer very very proud. Beautiful plays!

  64. twilighthours says:

    Hey ya y’all,

    It’s Dunboyne Mike’s birthday today (in Ireland… tomorrow in North America).

  65. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    All I know is that I have the exact same shopping list for the Habs as I had last year:
    1) D-man that can play with PK 25 min/game.
    2) RH physical 2nd pairing D-man
    3) RH power forward to play with Max and DD
    4) RH two way center man that can play physical, kill penalties and win draws.
    5) Enforcer that can play a regular shift.

    I have no idea if MB is going to get any of them…

  66. CJ says:

    So, who’s the next player traded out of Montreal? Magnus Nygren? Pleks? DD? The rights to Markov? None of the above?

    I found an article this afternoon that indicates Nygren will not play again in Hamilton. He’s open to playing in Montreal, but the author also notes the team has discussed the possibility of a trade.

    I think the path we choose for Markov, DD, Pleks, etc., will help determine next steps in the evolution of the franchise. Do we press forward in hopes of continuing the upward trajectory, or do we regroup, continue the building process by adding more assets at the expense of our veterans?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      CJ, when a player refuses to play on the farm, will that terminate his relationship with the club?

      • CJ says:

        It would severely damage a relationship. As discussed last week, I think the chances of Nygren being traded are greater then seeing him step onto the ice at the Bell Centre as a member of the Canadiens.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I don’t see it quite the same way! I believe Nygren stay in Sweden for two reasons, he makes more money and feels it is better for his development. I believe I read that the Habs were onboard with his decision to go back to Sweden. It also leaves open an extra spot in Hamilton. Not all players need to play in the AHL. Emelin never played in Hamilton and they kept his rights until he was ready to come over. Nygren did win the equivalent of the Norris trophy two seasons back. I think there would be other circumstances that would lead to a trade.


          • Captain aHab says:

            I agree with that…doubt they’ll give him away just because he hates Hamilton.

            Prepare to be boarded!!

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Cheers CJ, 17.

            17, did the article give any indication of Nygren’s mind-set regarding Montreal? I realise that little of what’s said in that regard should ever be taken at face value, but still….

          • Habfan17 says:

            Hey DM,

            I will try to find it. Yes, from what I remember, he wants to play in Montreal, he just didn’t feel his development would benefit from playing in Hamilton and the money is better in Sweden. In the end, he may be right. I do remember he had the teams blessing.


          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Thanks Hf17. Very interesting sideshow that might move to centre-stage…

        • Loop_Garoo says:

          Agree completely, especially due to the fact that we have Beaulieu, who I believe has shown enough that we can be confident he will at least be a solid offensive minded d-man, add PK, and Nygren becomes an extra piece. Add the Hamilton situation to that, and I think a trade is coming.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Pleks for a D-man I hope. Don’t think Markov will resign. Suspect MB does not want to pay what Markov can get easily in the open market.

      • CJ says:

        We need a top six winger (RW), a top four defenceman (RH), and a fighter to lessen Prust’s workload (sorry, but I’m that guy – who, although not liking staged fights, still feel there is an intimidation element required in the game today).

        We also need our younger (27 and under) players to take a step forward.

        I know it may not be popular, but I’d dangle Pleks, if it’s going to make the team better. You gotta give to get as they say…..

    • Captain aHab says:

      Problem is that they’ll need to give Markov a contract – or not – before they see Nygren in camp.

      That same article actually said that the Habs could be OK with trading Nygren IF they get a good player in return. So my guess is that if he doesn’t make the Habs, then he might play in Europe again.

      Markov will be good for 60 games, maybe less, and then will do his usual slow fade. Please don’t sign that for three years. He won’t improve anymore. He should get, at most, second pairing minutes/money for two years.

      Prepare to be boarded!!

      • Habfan17 says:

        Nygren is doing the same thing that Emelin did. He is staying where he makes more money and feels he will develop more, until he makes the Habs out of training camp. Nothing wrong with that.


      • CJ says:

        Good points. Respectfully, Markov’s play this season should, in itself, crystallize those next steps. He won’t accept a one year deal. Neither will the team go to three years. Unless the gap is closed, it’s time to move on. We can not continue to get burned with extensions (Emelin, DD).

        • Habfan17 says:

          Great points with regards to DD and Emelin. I would add Gorges too. I hope you are right about Markov and neither side caves. I would rather they give one of the kids a real chance and part company with Markov. I know he eats big minutes, but he slowed down as the season progressed and he was not a difference maker in the play offs. Why would we expect him to be better next season or in two or three seasons? That is very rare! Recently only two players come to mind who still excelled late in their careers, maybe three, Selanne, Lidstrom and Jagr to a lesser degree.


        • Loop_Garoo says:

          A bit early to say Emelin was a mistake IMO, He had some better games at the end of the year, so hopefully he can get it together regularly next year.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would hope they do not trade Nygren. He gives them another offensive righty who would make a solid 2nd pair behind PK and with Pateryn in the 3rd pairing. He can quarterback a power play, has a great, hard shot, is smart and is not a defensive liability. He is also older and more mature. Unless Bergevin was getting a sure fire 2nd line player, I would think it a mistake to trade him.

        I don’t think Bergevin wants to have Nygren bust out on another team like McDonough did…unless he gets an even return. He did say he is not trading prospects just to make trades. It has to be for an improvement.


    • piper says:

      Hoping for a “regroup”. I don’t like the idea of giving Markov what he’ll be looking for. 2 years max at <5m. Trade either one of Plek or DD (Plek would bring more return I think).

    • Habitant in Surrey says:

      We are all hopeful, especially after 2 seasons that have raised Our expectations, for better things to come.

      But, would You agree CJ ?, that there are also more than enough things to second-guess about where We’re heading ?

      Like the situation in Hamilton, trade-aways of Kristo and Colberg, seemingly, to Me, for nothing ?

      Lots of positives, and, if not negatives, many questionable.

      Our Habs are still a developing drama, with an uncertain ending.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Disagree, HiS! This drama will end in Cup 25. Maybe not next season, but soon enough. And there will be sequels.

      • CJ says:

        I think those are fair comments. There have been bumps along the way. Overall, we are trending favourably, however, there have been files which would likely elicit the use of a mulligan if the opportunity for a redo was made available.

        IMO, the most glaring errors, thus far, are the DD and Emelin extensions, the Briere signing (an extra year and too much money) and not trading one or both of Gionta and Markov this season (not necessarily at the deadline).

        I thought the first round selection of MacCarron was a stretch, but otherwise liked our draft. I also didn’t like taking a pass on Brady Vail. Both choices may yet end up being the right moves, so I’ll defer further judgement down the road.

        The thing that’s so hard is only one team wins. Just one. You can make all the right moves and still lose on a bad bounce, a bad call, a stupid penalty, a missed open net or key save. It’s a game of inches and future success is not guaranteed. I will say this though, we are a better team today then we were three years ago and we may yet become an elite team in time. I’d continue to advocate exercising patience, and not force a move. It’s a process and we are just entering year three. I believed this would be a five year process, and nothing has changed my opinion.

    • scamorza says:

      SHawn Thronton!

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • scamorza says:

        err wrong reply damn frigging crappy airport wifi

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          I saw it both times, scamorza.

          I used to admire Thornton’s energy and ruggedness, and the fact that he could actually play hockey. I never had him in the same untouchable category as Marchand, Lucic and Chara.

          But since the Orpik assault, and the water-bottle, and he’s getting old…. A year ago I would have agreed with you, can’t now.

    • scamorza says:

      steady as she goes – continue developing the young uns , more reliance on marquee players and keep some veterans BUT a Markov as an example cannot be playing 20+ minutes and gionta should be a third line winger

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

      • CJ says:

        I agree, Gionta should be a third line player. I just hope it’s in New Jersey next season and not Montreal. Buffalo would be a good fit, IMO.

  67. Stevie.Ray says:

    I’ve been keeping an eye on the draft rankings all season, and every player I have keyed in on that may have been available around where the Habs potentially could have drafted, well, they all suddenly rocketed up the charts. Richie, Fleury, Perlini, Tuch, Scherbak were all guys I thought would fit well in the Habs organization, but they all now look out of reach. I do however think, once again, Timmins will find the gem the other teams let fall down the draft board. Unless Bergevin influences the pick again. I’m hoping now that we will either trade up, or a guy like Sanheim is still there.

    As for free agents, I wonder if a guy like Michalek would fit. He’s a left winger but has played on the right, and played well for that matter. Not sure if he’s a top line guy, but there’s not much on the market.

  68. Willy the bum says:

    Bergevin is probably cleaning house, making trades that has Gauthier (or Gainey) written all over it. Sure it could sometimes be the fault of Timmins as well, but it had both Gees breathing down his neck and making those draft picks final. I had a sense someone in the Habs organization wanted Kreider if they had knew of his attitude and work ethic but probably be shunned down and chose Leblanc instead.

    4 more for Therrien? Seems a bit too much, but I’m hoping he knows what’s he doing. At least we don’t want a Torts on our bench; I could only imagine if he needed a job and came to the Habs…


    Thank you Les Canadiens for the most wonderful year I’ve seen and cheered for since ’93.
    The future is bright and is on the right path for tradition and glory.
    Enjoy your summer and we’ll be here to cheer next season!

    • habs_54321 says:

      I don’t understand whats wrong with the coach getting a 4 year extension he earned it, and if something happens and they need to make a change in year 2,3,4 they will make it, its not like we have a cash strapped team just be happy for MT he has deserved this

  69. CH Marshall says:

    I love how Messi can be surrounded and crowded by defenders, but will still manage to thread or weave the ball around in impossible spaces. What a talent..

  70. Habitant in Surrey says:

    @DunboyneMike and Scamorza

    Both of You were mentioning Your dayz as Gazette delivery boys when young and innocent.

    I still remember with pride doing this since I was 7 years old until 13, and girls finally just became way too much of a preoccupation. 🙂 … as they say, …’innocence lost !’. 🙂

    I did the Ridgewood (a hill-road off of Cotes-des-neiges) route when among my subscribers were Norman McLaren (NFB), Edouard Carpentier, Sam Etcheverry, and host of others I only realized were ‘famous/infamous’ when I got older and ‘less innocent’. 🙂

    Like Y’all, up at 4 AM on inhumanly cold winter mornings or tropical-like rainy mornings in the pitch black. After school, another 100+ deliveries of The Star in the evenings.

    I really can not envision My Son doing the same, no matter how I fantasize. 🙂

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      4am! Ouch!
      And the Star as well!
      I presume all payments are electronic now. There’s us, kids walking around with wads of cash in our pockets as we do the weekly collections.
      I think my route maxed out at 60 papers, never got up before 5.30 (and the day half over!)

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …yup, 4 AM …the pick-up was 3/4s down the hill, I lived at the top

        …I had a red wagon, later My 3-speed Raleigh red bike, with hockey cards on the spokes to give it that muffler-less ‘sound’ 🙂

        …in the evenings, after a day of school and finishing The Star deliveries, I would roll down the red brick road (Ridgewood was like a long twisting ski-slope of a street) at full-throttle to the base of the street at Cotes-des-neiges

        …at the corner was Sepps Delicatessen where I would purchase my daily Pez, and a Deguire’s drug store next door that had one of those restaurant counters that made the world’s best (in My 8 years old eyes anyway) banana splits

        On a hot spring/summer day I always had at least a couple quarters sloshing in My pockets after My deliveries

        Would park My red wagon, swagger onto one of the bar seats and order a split (or 2 🙂 )

        Before leaving Deguire’s, would amble over to the drug store counter and buy a pack of hockey/baseball/football (CFL) and/or wrestling cards

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Just excellent!

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …of course those were the dayz when a banana split cost a quarter, a pack of bubblegum cards a nickel 🙂

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I too had a red 3-speed Raleigh. When I eventually graduated to a 10-speed Peugeot, I used to bomb down Cote-des-Neiges, overtaking cars. No helmets in those days of course. Lucky to be alive!

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            I would do top of Mount Royal to Cotes-des-neiges …no brakes, no helmet.

            Both of Us have defied death to become HIO pundits.

          • scamorza says:

            Mike and HIS thanks for the delightful memories. Times have changed not only because 12 years old wouldn’t be out at 4 am but as a society can u imagine a 12 year old out by him/herself at 4 delivering papers?! Sad. I also sold subscriptions for the star which gave me a free trip to Daytona beach.
            My favorite was this old guy who gave me a dime for tip and told me to buy a cigar – yeah right even in the early seventies that wouldn’t get you that far.

            HIS your clientele was quite impressive !Hope they were better tippers

            come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …the ‘famous’ ones were generally tightwads 🙁

            …it was ‘the little old ladies’ and older-types that spoiled Me and were more generous 🙂

          • Bill J says:

            My memory is not as clear, but as a kid I remember riding on my bike down mont royal, no brakes, and no helmet…. Only I didn’t make the bottom, I took a wrong turn and ended up at a stairwell, no more bike path… My only option was ravine on either side or metal handrail in middle of fast approaching stairwell… I aimed “right” and saved my life, but left my dignity firmly planted on the metal handrail.

            Go Habs Go!

          • Habitant in Surrey says:

            …somehow, someway …We survived

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, I delivered the Gazette, The Montreal Star and the Sunday Express. Yes, there were definitely mornings in the winter that I really did not want to go out!!!


    • bigjames says:

      you may have been our family paper boy then! my parents lived on ridgewood in the 60s until about 68 I believe. I was just born then so don’t really remember!

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        Do you remember the address James ? I had 2, 3495, 3570, and another I can’t remember.

        I basically grew up on Ridgewood, moved, and came back again 2 or 3 times. Including later with My since departed Wife and My first child my last address in Montreal.

        It was a great street. Each time I re-visit Montreal I make sure to drive-up Ridgewood and the memories.

  71. Paz says:

    It seems very likely that both Danny Kristo and Sebastien Colberg will be playing in NHL as scoring, offensive, right wingers next season. If not top 6, certainly both have an excellent shot of breaking in as top 9 wingers.

    Unfortunately, this is exactly the type of player we have a shortage of in this organisation, and if we don’t resign Gionta, a shortage at the NHL level in particular.

    Ironically, those two deals could almost be forcing Bergevin to resign Gionta, a move most would agree is suspect at best.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Who’d be a GM, eh?
      Vanek deal looked like a gem for a few weeks…..
      I wonder is the Montreal community’s tolerance threshold for players who sparkle sometimes, indifferent for much of the rest, much lower than elsewhere in the NHL? Players like Kostitsyn, Ryder, Cammie, and Kovalev (who I loved) would break your heart and destroy your faith. If Vanek is one of those — good riddance. Will try not to pay attention to Colberg’s trajectory.

    • CH Marshall says:

      All I heard on here about Kristo was his ability to make plays at full speed. IMO it would not have hurt to have that for the next season along with Bournival on RW, rather than resigning Gionta. I guess he really had a question mark on his character etc.

    • piper says:

      I’d rather see them try to sign Brian Boyle than resign Gio.

    • habs_54321 says:

      forgot about the kristo trade, Thomas sure didn’t pan out too well, we need better coaching in the minors who are capable of getting something out of players

    • twilighthours says:

      I actually don’t see it that likely that Collberg makes the show. I have my doubts about that kid.

    • Mark C says:

      Collberg had 3 goals in the SEL this past season now he’s highly likely to be scoring in the NHL next year? Haha. What won’t you say to take a shot at management Ed?

      • Paz says:

        Hi Mark, nice to see you’re still with us, even if you just come on to take a jab at my posts. I know you are a good hockey man and I respect that.

        Colberg is seen as a legitimate top 6 prospect by many even though we threw him into the Vanek deal. The Islanders are very high on him and I have heard that they hope he makes the team this season.

        If he does, and let’s face it the Islanders are looking for scoring, I would imagine he will played in at least a top 9 role, and yes, he will score goals for them.

        Taking shots at management?

        No. Not really, Mark.

        I come on here to speak my mind, to tell it the way I see it, and I don’t bring my pom-poms like some others do.

        I supported the Vanek trade. He was exactly the player we needed to jump start the team, and it showed by how well we played.

        Have a nice day, Mark!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Piper, couldn’t watch this when you posted it — I try not to watch fights when my wife is in the room!
      I’m sorry — Edwards’ commentary is about as close to homoerotic as you’ll ever hear in a hockey game! I have zero concerns with sexual orientation, but a professional should not let it get in the way of doing the job they’re being paid for. That’s hilarious!

      (what happened to the posts that were below yours?)

      • franco says:

        Of course you know that Edwards is a paid employee of the Boston Bruins. He is paid to be a homer, just like Bowen on the Toronto, Leafs T.V.

        Lucic met his match, but it was up to Edwards to paint Lucic as winning, just like Bowen does. When you are the paid by the home team you better know who puts the bacon on the table.

        Just like the homers on this site.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Hey franco.

          We are ALL homers on this site, including your good self. Don’t pretend otherwise!

          I take your point about the nature of broadcasting, and that NESN are cheerleaders and hire cheerleaders. But you can’t persuade me that Edwards’ paymasters are satisfied to see him call the exact opposite of what every single viewer — including die-hard Lucic fans — know what they saw with their own eyes. It’s too blatant an assault on credibility, his own and the network’s.

          Therefore I see that clip as an outrageous solo run by Edwards.

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