Habs’ Therrien not among Jack Adams Award finalists

Michel Therrien took over a last-place team in the Eastern Conference when he was hired to coach the Canadiens last summer and turned them into Northeast Division champions and a second-place finish in the conference, but it wasn’t enough to be one of the three finalists for the Jack Adams Award that goes “to the NHL coach adjudged to have contributed the most to his team’s success.”

The NHL announced on Friday morning that the three finalists are Bruce Boudreau of the Anaheim Ducks, Paul MacLean of the Ottawa Senators and Joel Quenneville of the Chicago Blackhawks.

Quenneville won the award previously with the St. Louis Blues in 1999-2000, while Boudreau won it in 2007-08 with the Washington Capitals. This marks the second straight year MacLean is a finalist after losing to Ken Hitchcock of the St. Louis Blues last year.

The Canadiens do have three finalists for NHL awards: Brendan Gallagher is up for the Calder Trophy as the top rookie, P.K. Subban for the Norris Trophy as the best defenceman and Marc Bergevin for the top GM award.

(Photo by Pierre Obendrauf/The Gazette)

Adams finalists: Boudreau, MacLean, Quenneville, NHL.com

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  1. Propwash says:

    Avatar check

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  2. HardHabits says:

    Many of the comments today are not just logically fallacious… but are also logically fellatious.

  3. Chwinsy says:

    new thread!

  4. habs001 says:

    The Habs were 10-8-3 vs teams that made the playoffs and 2 of those wins were in overtime …They made improvements from last year…. but even without the injuries this team was not a team that could win 4 rounds…

  5. Lil Snapper says:

    Us Habs fans are cursed. We have to continue to suffer as the Bruins keep striving…..awful!

  6. HabinBurlington says:

    I haven’t watched a great deal of the Rangers this season, so I don’t fully understand all of Richards struggles. But watching how ineffective their power play looks, I fail to understand how Fonzie refuses to use him in at least that situation.

    I wonder how much longer Lundqvist is happy in NYR playing for a coach who refuses to allow his team to play any offensive hockey. Rather it seems the brand of hockey they play looks offensive.

  7. Maritime Ron says:

    The Jackal says:
    May 19, 2013 at 3:20 pm
    Bruins have two guys that are 5’9 yet they are successful..
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    Good Afternoon Jackal.

    According to the Boston Bruins official web site, Brad Marchand (5’9″- 183lbs) is that size.
    The only other player at 5’9″ on the Bruins roster is Dman Torey Krug that has 1 goal/1 assist and is +2 today after 2 periods with a small and managed 7:50 of playing time,
    He is only playing because of the injuries to Ference, Seidenberg, and Redden.

    http://bruins.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

    Back to the overall size issue, apart from Marchand, ever Bruin forward is between 6′-6’3″
    The smaller weight forwards (between 180-200) play BIG because they know the likes of Thornton, Lucic, Campbell, Chara, Horton, Boychuck, McQuaid…have their backs and won’t allow them ( Bergeron-Krejci-Seguin) to be run or intimidated.

    Those skill guys know they can play their game!

    Imagine for 1 moment that Eller, Gallagher, and Galchenyuk have that type of “protection.”

    Do you believe for 1 moment that Gryba would have walked away from the Bell Center with no repercussions in Game 5 if the Habs possessed the present day ‘strength and toughness’ of the Bruins?
    Prust was out and we had NO ONE that could or would respond….while Gryba played 17 minutes untouched and unchallenged in the 6-1 drubbing.

    Sorry, size does matter…..

    • deggy24 says:

      Agree. Pleas would be a 75 point guy with Krechis wingers and a bigger tougher d

      Habs Win!

    • commandant says:

      Andrew Alberts on Nathan HOrton
      Jones on Bergeron
      Cooke on Savard

      The Bruins have been victims as much as anyone. Their team toughness doesn’t prevent injuries, it merely allows them to punch a person in the face and feel better about it after the fact. There is no real detterence though.

      Matt Cooke takes a couple punches, spends five minutes in the box, comes back out and never misses a shift. He never changes his game. Meanwhile Savard’s career is basically over.

      The idea that Gryba wouldn’t have hit Eller if we had more size is unfounded, and is not founded on any facts whatsoever.

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      • BJ says:

        What you say is partially correct re. retribution. The fact remains we are too small. If the team remains the same as this years without significant upgrades in size, we will be hard pressed to make the playoffs.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Ben, with all due respect that is a red herring type argument, in my opinion. Injuries, dirty hits will occur, this is a league where players have virtually no respect to the opposing teams players.

        The discussion arround increasing the Habs size and grit, is not to prevent injury per se, but rather to allow the team to compete in a league where aggressive and physical play is rewarded. The league has shown that it enjoys and likes this style, and come playoff time a small quick team can only compete if they have the lead or are deadly on the power play.

        I am not endorsing a large scale change in our style of players, but rather another couple players, 1 on d at a minimum and another forward who can help increase the physicality of forecheck and perhaps answer the bell when needed. Prust is being asked to do much at present.

        • commandant says:

          I agree that size is necessary. And I agree that there are reasons that it is valuable.

          However the argument above was that with more size, Gryba’s hit wouldn’t have been allowed to happen unpunished… and I don’t see how that is true or relevant.

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      • HardHabits says:

        It has nothing to do with preventing injuries or winning fights, although the winning fights part is advantageous when the size and grit ratio is higher. It has to do with the over-all physicality of the game because hockey is a contact sport with hitting and checking.

        It’s logically fallacious to assume that size and grit somehow negates skill and speed, as if the two are mutually exclusive.

        • commandant says:

          Obviously grit is necessary… and I personally believe Grit and Heart and Will to win is more important than size. See two players who were 6’0″ in Tomas Holmstrom and Scott Stevens. Its not about size, its about these players internal toughness and will to succeed, and yes we need more players who have that same will to succeed. Obviously this team continues to need improvements.

          I merely was arguing the issue that the circumstances surrounding Gryba would have been different if the Habs had a bigger, tougher team. There is little to support that notion. And as we have seen with the Rangers and Bruins both being teams that have been on the receiving end of dirty hits and injuries, there is little evidence to support a deterrence argument.

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      • Maritime Ron says:

        If you say Gryba makes that play against a Boston with no repercussions, then you are in error.

        I’ve read a lot of your posts – and your defense of the Desharnais’s of the world, and your belief that small and speed can defeat big, yet that is so far from fact in the recent NHL.

        Your cherry picking of a few incidences is noted, yet the overall perspective is false.
        The presently built small, and lack of strength Habs will go nowhere in the NHL playoffs.

        I personally don’t care if you state, ” The idea that Gryba wouldn’t have hit Eller if we had more size is unfounded, and is not founded on any facts whatsoever”

        That is your opinion only.
        Players KNOW if they have to answer the bell for what they do.
        I hope you understand that!
        Gryba KNEW there was NO bell to answer against the Habs.

        The fact is we lost 4-1, and played small after that incident…and a player like Desharnais fell on his rear end when the wind of players blowing by him caught him off guard…and he couldn’t ever win a puck battle.

        • Ron says:

          Ron, he uses the same stuff over and over. It is his opinion as he is allowed to have. But it is just that an opinion and not gospel as he would like to impress or impose upon others. If one could go back far enough you would see the same type post on the subject from him, broken record.

          • commandant says:

            I keep bringing up the same stuff, because no one has ever been able to show any real evidence that deterrence is a theory that actually works. Not in the modern game. Sure maybe it worked when you could leave the bench to fight and there was no instigator, and having a Semenko mattered, and players didn’t make multi millions.

            But remember a guy like Matt Cooke or Raffi Torres get paid to be the players they are. If they stop, they are probably out of the league. So tell me, are they deterred from finishing their checks by a couple punches in the face? No, because the value of the money today is far superior to the threat of being beat up. Especially when so few fights actually result in real injuries.

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          • Ron says:

            It will never be a 100% deterrent for sure, that is not the total drift of the fighter or no fighter debate. If there is a chance your going to have a heavyweight or such come out after you sometime in the game, one has second thoughts about taking liberties on someone. The laffs were a example this year as they carried a couple on forward and a defenceman who could play that role. It may not have helped them get to the second round but only because of one bad period. It helped them get into the playoffs as well. No one has been able to show any real evidence it does not help either so I guess we can run this one on for awhile also. Agree to not agree.

  8. deggy24 says:

    Conclusion. Improve the D. Mike Vernon won a cup. Mix of of transitional, hammers, and o oriented dmen. Think Scott Nied.. , Scott Stevens blends. We’ve got the Scott n covered but were lacking Stevens. Had part of that with Emelin but he may be done. We!ll be good when gorges is no. 6 and anybody like Diaz or Markova is paired with EMelin (2012) or orpik. Then Carey or whoever else is in net will be fine.

    Habs Win!

  9. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …shootouts in championship finals is bush league beyond words

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  10. Propwash says:

    Chucky’s shootout goals in case you missed them.

    http://video.canadiens.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=66&id=249866&cmpid=embed-share-video

    *edit – Sorry, they only show one of them, what a gyp!

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  11. twilighthours says:

    Punkster, you still around?

    • twilighthours says:

      Frig it, I’m not waiting for you. I don’t need to provide any stats to show you if Orr was useful for the leafs: I’m sure you’re aware of them. And they certainly don’t paint a bad picture of his performance.

      His role is to be a responsible 4th liner, one who takes care of his own end, finishes his check, makes his presence felt, and provides some safety for his teammates. Did he not succeed at that in the playoffs? Unless you’re arguing that he shouldn’t have been given 9(!?) minutes a night, which is hardly a stretch for a 4th liner.

      You’ve been so completely indoctrinated by the EOTP overlords you’ve forgotten one simple truth: sometimes, it’s hard to quantify a hockey player’s contribution to his club.

      • HardHabits says:

        EOTP are so caught up in scoring chances AKA Fenwick/Corsi they believe as long as those stats are high nothing needs to be changed on a team, regardless of how much they lose. It’s all luck any ways according to their narrative and eventually when all things regress to the mean the Cup is won. Total. Friggin’. Bull spit.

        Suck Possession = (Fenwick + Corsi)/Goal Differential

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I know you didn’t ask me but I’d have argued against players like Orr before this years playoffs. But playing him 7-9 minutes a game was very effective against the Bruins it so it appeared. I thought the Bruins were a lot less physical knowing that a player like Orr was on the other bench.
        On another note and certainly not directed at you, it seems that some posters can’t disagree with others without calling others names. I don’t like to see friends subjected to this behavior. We can disagree and still maintain a level of civility, no?

        PS- Congrats to the Mavid family. I hope all continues to be well.

        • twilighthours says:

          From what I saw, he did just fine. I’m glad you agree.

          As for name calling, I hope I didn’t do that. I try not to, anyway. Besides, punkster and I have disagreed plenty and we still get along. He’s on my short list of people who I will buy a beer for at the next summit.

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Of course not. Not intended at you at all. Hope to get on your short list someday but I will buy the first one. CHeers.

          • twilighthours says:

            My list isn’t actually that short – you might be on it!

      • The Jackal says:

        Let’s bracket that EOTP and stats statement.

        You’re right that players contributions cannot be quantified all the time.
        The bottom line is – is the player a liability or not?
        IF Bordeleau and such players contribute the vaunted intangibles we seek, without being a liability, then they will improve the team, it is that simple.

        BUT EOTP and the stats that they cite will only become more relevant as advanced stats gain ground. It is happening in every sport but it is slow to catch on because of the jock mentality. The bottom line with stats is that they can explain and deepen one’s understanding of what is going on on the ice. No stats person claims that stats tell the whole story, but they elucidate many things that may be overlooked by the intuitive and eyes-only analysis that characterizes sports.

        Some say you can’t money-ball hockey, but with every sport you can see who performs how and improves what areas with advanced stats, that is the bottom line. Managers and coaching staffs with that extra understanding would only be even better than they are today.

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        • twilighthours says:

          No one (here, right now) is arguing that these “stats” (most of them aren’t stats) are meaningless. Although I would argue they are much less meaningful in hockey than baseball, where individual events are much more controlled and measurable. Every event is essentially a win/loss or 1-on-1 in baseball. That’s rarely the case in hockey. Nonetheless, every single NHL team would be using some sort of advanced measurement system (advanced being the term of the moment). That doesn’t make what EOTP does groundbreaking.

          You’ve alluded to the jock culture a few times in posts with me recently. I’m not offended. I can appreciate the jock culture of contact sports, because I played contact hockey for a long time, and coached it for a while too. Yet I’m also well educated, and well positioned to understand these new methods.

          But it really comes down to this: I would never confidently make a judgement on a player unless I have seen him play. I don’t think sitting in front of a spreadsheet looking at numbers is a valid way of determining a player’s worth. It might supplement an understanding, but provides no understanding on its own.

          I’d be happy to share more thoughts with you at the next summit. Over a beer, of course.

    • punkster says:

      Yo…other thread

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  12. joeybarrie says:

    It’s funny to see the proposed trades and so called advice given regarding MBs moves in the off season.
    It seems people are pretty unhappy with the whole team and want BIG changes.
    Well, guess what??? AINT GONNA HAPPEN…
    When a team finishes a season 30-18-5 after going 31-35-16 and having a decent amount of young players doing really well….
    YOU DONT MAKE BIG CHANGES.

    There need to be tweeks. But for the most part MB has his entire team for next season. A few D moves and a forward addition and that’s about it folks.
    Nine D players signed for next year. Say bye to Kaberle, and we will see another trade most likely.
    12 F players signed and we need to sign at least 2 more, one of which will most likely be a potential top two at the very least. That’s going to be the most exciting part of our summer.
    Drooling over which FA or Trade MB will make to pick us up, hopefully, a 30 goal scorer…
    So keep up the craziness. But be prepared for another smart and boring summer…
    Division leaders and 2nd in the East, and we still want to trade the whole team away. We moved up 14 spots in the Conference and its still not good enough for 1 season.
    WE WILL NEVER BE INSTANTLY BE GUARANTEED THE STANLEY CUP…
    We had a good season. Try to see the bright side.

  13. Propwash says:

    I wonder if Price had a nagging injury before he finally succumbed to it. Sometimes it looked like he would wince when he would skate to the corner if you looked carefully.

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  14. habs_54321 says:

    MB should offer diaz and weber to the islanders so they can play with their buddies streit and niederreiter,

  15. Mavid says:

    ahhh yes there is that annoying shrill of Pierre McQuire..oh how I have not missed him…

  16. Psycho29 says:

    Maybe Chris Lee needs glasses….How brutal was that replay?

  17. Gally365 says:

    Bergevin will do what ever it takes to make the playoffs 2013-2014 and that will be it.

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Marchand with brutal giveaway, then instead of hustling to backcheck looks over to dman as if to say “go stop that guy”.

    Do enjoy watching Marchand make mistakes.

    Callahan is a real good player for Rangers.

  19. HNS says:

    No, it means u r an idiot. Smoke ur Proce poster now.

  20. The Jackal says:

    Bruins have two guys that are 5’9 yet they are successful.

    That shows that there’s no magic number of small guys.
    Obviously you can’t have many players like that on one team, like MB said, balance is key. But you can have a few small guys that play hard and are skilled, like our guys. The key is to have guys that can make space for them, like Bergeron and Lucic for the rat and friends. We need a couple of forwards and one D to do that, and I think with those improvements, then the team improves drastically.

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  21. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    I have no problem with people proposing ways (i.e., solutions) to improve the Habs. If their proposal involves trading Price, I have no issue with it as long as it is logical and not based on emotion. Most posters criticizing Price are complainers…they do not propose any solutions. “Get rid of him” is not a solution. These are the same people many of us see at work who just bitch all day instead of trying to find ways to make things better. The saddest thing about this whole Price debate is that he is by far not the biggest problem the Habs have. Habs need to get bigger to sustain an 82 game season and playoff run. Until that happens, it’s won’t matter how well Price plays.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • naweed235 says:

      What could one realisticaly expect in an offseason trade for Price? He has a huge contract without much to justify it.
      Will a Jordan Eberle be given up for a 1 for 1 trade for Price? Highly doubtful
      I think the most we can expect is a mid range 1st rounder.

      • The Jackal says:

        Thank god the Price traders are never going to actually make trades.

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        • alfieturcotte says:

          Sorry – I agree. Price’s value in the market plummeted in 2013 as MB signed to a contract way above his production and GMs are beginning to see what some have already come know about Price – he is NOT worth the hype.

      • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

        I have no idea how much they can get for him (not an NHL insider). One things seems pretty clear. NHL commentators love Price. I have not heard one come out and say he is a bust. Everyone thinks he is a stud. The Olympics will be the best place for his evaluation. Pressure games with an excellent D. If he falters then, he has no excuse.

        The one deal I would try to make with Price is to get the number one pick in the next draft. The Habs have traded two goalies to Colorado, why not a third? This team’s future is tied to Galchenyuk’s progression so they are still a couple of years away. Could you imagine a one-two punch of Chucky and MacKinnon? The Habs can turn into Chicago in two years.

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        • The Jackal says:

          Like you said DDO, every GM knows Price is a stud, hence his contract – it’s not like MB would overpay just for the heck of it – there is a high demand for goalies like Price, and we can see that with similar goalies getting similar contracts.

          That said, the bashers seem to forget that Price won us many a game last season and was in the running for the Vezina until we hit our slump this season. Just saying, show me a goalie who has not let in a bad goal and who has not been through a slump. You can’t because that happens to every single player in any sport.

          As for trading Price? If Malkin or a stud D like Weber or Suter are not coming back, along with a good goalie, then no thanks!

          And that is the problem right there, bonafide number 1 goalies are hard to find. You see all these under-the-radar goalies every year who go on a streak then flame out, like Leighton, who outplayed Halak all through the 2010 playoffs, then lost in the cup final and now where is he? Or our own Halak, he had a great run, now he is a third string guy on another team. Or my favourite example, Anderson – that guy is streaky as hell and you can see his overall stats paint the picture that he is average.

          Goalies that are always reliable are not always on the market or up for grabs, but there are always some goalies who go on a hot streak then revert to their usual form.

          Price is the former. He is reliable and is only 25. He has had a few bad games this season… that’s pretty much it for his recent struggles. You don’t move a guy like that.

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          • alfieturcotte says:

            A few bad games??? Come on, I knew this was going to happen just did not think the revisionists would come this soon.

            Go revisit the season – Canadiens won in spite of Price, Price was only so so the better part of the year and more importantly was dismal the final month/playoffs.

        • What would the Habs get in return for Price to Col in your opinion?

      • ont fan says:

        What does it matter what Price will bring? There is no replacement. Give it up already!

      • You sure know your hockey!!! Don’t ya!!!

  22. HardHabits says:

    The two HIO camps today are:

    1- Habs will get better when they size up their D.

    2 – Habs will get better when they get rid of Price.

    A debate between lucidity and lunacy.

  23. Habilis says:

    Just saw the Galchenyuk shootout goals from today… Wow.

    Wow. Wow. Wow.

    This kid’s hands are other-worldly. Is it possible that he is already the most dangerous NHLer on a breakaway?

    I am sitting here thinking of one player that I’d rather have in alone on a goalie. You could obviously make a case for a few guys; Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Patrick Kane. For my money though, it’s our boy every time, and twice on Sundays. ;)

    • and you can thank Bob Gainey for Galchenyuk!

      Had Bob not brought in Gomez there’s no way the Habs finish last in 2012.

      Just another reason Gainey knew exactly what he was doing the entire time.

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    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Galchy is awesome! And clutch!

      So glad he’s a Habs player. An all-star center in the making.

      Best by far on the team in shootouts though Eller and Gally have moves too. The funny thing is, he uses the same ‘move’ or variations of the same move, but goaltenders have NO CLUE which way he’s going to go.

      • Habilis says:

        I know! It’s just him stick-handling, that’s the most incredible part. It’s just so blindingly fast that you’re exactly right, goalies simply have no idea where he’s going with the puck. They dive, he roofs it.

        Amazing, and an absolute joy to watch.

  24. Bill says:

    Couple of trolls lurking here today.

    Never pays to answer them, people. These are sad, attention-seeking individuals. Respond, and you are just feeding their personality disorder.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      Why would someone who is not a Habs fan waste their time posting on a Habs site on a summer’s day when the Habs are long gone from the playoffs ?

      Now I must be a stupid crazy Habs fan for posting on a nice summer’s day in Edmonton. That’s it, I’m going outside, I’m done here for the day. Unless of course it starts to rain.

  25. The Jackal says:

    Richards is the new Gomez.

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  26. HNS says:

    PriceBots need to figure out Price is another Theidore. His stock is dropping like a rock. They need to package him out for some picks, trade bait whatever.

    • The Jackal says:

      He’s still your mom’s favourite goalie.

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    • wjc says:

      Explain why you think Price’s stock is falling. No less then a 100 words.

      No one sentence answers……Begin!

      wjc

      • HardHabits says:

        This generation can’t make-it past 250 words without losing concentration.

      • naweed235 says:

        I don’t see why his stock rose in the first place…
        He has always been a good regular season goalie however, he rarely steals games if any, is mentally weak when the pressure is on, has a tenancy to give up untimely soft goals that deflate the team and his five hole has its own center of gravity.
        Furthermore, he has an atrocious career playoff record of 9 wins and 17 losses with a .905 SV%. He has won 1 playoff round in his 6 years in the NHL and that was in front of a stacked team that many experts had predicted can win the cup.
        All in all, he is a victim of the position he was drafted and the city that drafted him. He may have turned out to be a decent goalie elsewhere but as far as any person with a untainted sense of observation goes, they’ll tell you he has been average at best in Montreal.

  27. The Jackal says:

    They just showed the Bruins kill the Laffs in OT.
    God, that still makes me laugh.

    No matter what the laffs do next season, no matter how bad they beat any team, when the laff fans start to gloat all anyone has to do is remind them of the epic choke.

    What a perfect way to end their season.
    Typical leaf choke, what a beauty.

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    • wjc says:

      Luckily the Leaf players are all multi-millionaires and do not care what you think. Nothing wrong with an extra long vacation on distant sunny island with a hot babe to forget about hockey.

      wjc

      • The Jackal says:

        Yeah, they got it good, but failing like that does not go away, I’m guessing that hot babe is not enough to make them forget about not being able to “score.” Hell, they may need PEDs to score with that babe because of that epic choke.

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        • wjc says:

          Can’t speak for you, but, hot babes make me forget my troubles, along with nice cars, nicer weather, millions of dollars at my disposal.

          Do you really imagine they are still dwelling on it. It was a playoff loss that was going to happen in the next round probably.

          Remember just one player among 23 or so to share the blame. Enough to share it around.

          wjc

          • The Jackal says:

            Whatever they are thinking, you can’t feel sorry for them anyway.
            Like you said, they are more than well compensated and have a nice vacation to look forward to.

            However, no matter your pay, when you are in that business that is that competitive, losing like that stings for a while, and since its the laffs, then that makes me grin.

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  28. Alex_425 says:

    That Galchenyuk guy ain’t too bad, I reckon.

    Yak-WHO-pov?

    But I’m no expert….

  29. alfieturcotte says:

    The problem with the Canadiens begins and ends with goaltending. The team has locked itself into terrible salary cap killing contract with a goalie that has PROVEN he LACKS the mental side of the game to excel in key situations. Disappointed and concerned that MB is doubling down on Price. Bad enough he is the architect of this terrible contract, worse if he closes his eyes and fails to see what is becoming more and more clear to many…..Price is more hype than results. Trade Price in the off season and rid ourselves of the contract.

    • piper says:

      If it was a salary cap killing contract you would have a hard time trading him. If MB put Price on the market right now I’m sure the offers would be flowing in.

    • Where should CP be traded to in your opinion. Who shall they recieve in return?

    • Twoonie says:

      Definitely wrong.
      Carey Price has been great for 2.5 seasons. He had a bad end to this most recent season but he has always been reliable and solid in nets.
      Keep being disappointed because MB certainly knows he has reason to be confident.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Problems begin with goaltending? Hm, questionable statement.

      AND end with goaltending? Ah, troll.

      Guess you completely forgot about the Habs’ other roster issues.

      • alfieturcotte says:

        Troll, I just love the Price supporter comeback. Take a look at his stats and compare to his salary – way out of whack Of course, you would not care to look at stats – probably don’t know anything about them.

        Yeah, you probably think Price is among top 3 in the NHL…..

  30. Gally365 says:

    I think we all need a reality check. The Habs are rebuilding and MB is gonna take his time. We’re forgetting what the word Business means.

    MB is gonna build a team much like the Blackhawks. A team that can make the playoffs yearly and go a few rounds while making a whole pile of money for Molsons and eventually win a Stanley cup now and than.

    That’s what it’s all about. keep putting pieces in place each year to make the playoffs and win the odd cup… Money, Money, Money.
    A few moves in the off season along with whom ever makes it with the big team via training camp should be able to do that …

  31. wjc says:

    I want every goal scored in the final four rounds evaluated.

    I want to hear an analysis of every goal.

    Was it a soft goal, a deserved goal, who was at fault?

    Was the goaly left stranded or was he weak?

    This is an assignment, do not take it lightly, there is a need to know and let the debates begin. Use highlights, slow motion, many replays and let the ‘great unwashed” know.

    wjc

    • The Jackal says:

      Well, so far, every goal has been scored with the goalie on their knees.
      Must say something about how silly the criticisms of Price are.

      Do any of those people know what being good defensively means and does to a team?

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  32. Habcouver says:

    Chucky is a pretty special player… the toast of USA hockey today and only 19 years old.

    I hope HIO has a new thread tomorrow about the kid’s bronze medal experience.

    Waiting patiently for #25

  33. Habs need a replacement for Emelin until his return to lineup. Whenever that will be next season? If the Habs do not prove the D its going to be problems for Price or Budaj in nets. The D will be forced in the net while goalie is having a hard time keeping the puck out of the net. This current D is no help for either goalie.

  34. ebk says:

    @ Hobie
    You mentioned the Habs missed out on some decently priced UFA’s this summer, I curious as to who. Thanks

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Bryan Allen went to the ducks for 3 years at $3.5 mill a season. He is exactly what Montreal needed/needs. Not sure why Bergevin didn’t elect to spend just a bit more for Allen instead of Frankie Bouillon and/or Colby Armstrong.

      People were speculating that Allen would fetch $4 mill a season just because so many teams want that prototypical, big and tough, penalty killing, physical defenseman.

      So when he went for $3.5 I was pissed :-).

      Habs could have beat Ottawa with him in the lineup, no doubt.

      • HabFan in Edmonton says:

        I agree Bryan Allen would have been a good fit, maybe MB made a pitch but didn’t have the money, Boullion and Armstrong were only 1 year contracts so there wasn’t much risk there.

      • ebk says:

        Not a huge Bryan Allen fan but I think they had little cap room left after the Prust signing and Bergevin was looking more at building depth. This year it would be my guess, he’ll be active for players like Scuderi and Murray but won’t break the bank to get them.

        My ideal acquisitions for the Habs for next year would be
        Clowe,Bickell and Bordelau as forwards and Gleason,Robidias and Erskine on D. All add size and grit and play hockey as well(except Bordeleau)

  35. Steven says:

    To those discussing DD and his cap hit, here are 20 comparable players to him, cap wise, according to CapGeek

    • munch17 says:

      I would take any one of them over DD ( Tanguay is a maybe).
      In fact I would trade DD for no one.

      • Steven says:

        I have to agree on that, myself. Never know, though, maybe DD can step it up this year?

        Hopefully.

        • piper says:

          Way over paid. I’ve had a hard time figuring that signing out. I could see if MB was forced into it at the end of the contract and he had just come off a good season but that one blows my mind. Especially how he played hard ball with PK. Oh well….hopefully he can unload him for minimal return this summer.

          • Steven says:

            I feel like he jumped the gun a little bit, kind of assuming he’d have a 60 point season again(or, whatever amount it is to make 60 over a full season). That or he was trying to get him going by showing he has confidence in him, but that would be pretty bad if it were the case

      • HabFan in Edmonton says:

        I wouldn’t take Stajan, but I would take most. Me thinks Dustin Brown is going to get a big raise when his contract his up. The Kings got a good deal there.

      • issie74 says:

        They are not free agents and if DD is as bad as everyone on this board thinks he is how would you make a trade?

        Just Asking.

        NorthTOHab

    • B says:

      That is the list of cap comparables for next season. It will be interesting to see how Desharnais compares production wise next season. This season, 8 of those 20 had more points than Desharnais, 2 by 1 point (among those 8, Brown, Duchene, Moulson and Giroux are going into the last year of their contracts next season while Desharnais will be going into the first year of his).

      Here is the list of Desharnais’ cap comparable players for this season from cap geek:

      http://capgeek.com/comparables/?player_id=98

      –Go Habs Go!–

  36. otter649 says:

    Habs 19 year old Alex Galenchuk scores the only goal in regulation shootout (last shooter #3) to tie & then scores the only goal in extra shots to give Team USA The Bronze Medal over Team Finland. Pretty heady stuff for such a young player who has played Canadian Junior Hockey-World Championship Junior Hockey (Gold Medal)-NHL Hockey (Regular Season/Playoffs) & finishes the hockey season playing in The World Hockey Championships. All coming off a serious knee injury the season before. Montreal Canadiens management & fans worldwide are smiling broadly today as we have a good one now who can only get better….

    – Stanley come home…..

  37. Max says:

    What are member’s thoughts on making a play for Patrick Bordeleau on July 1st.Local kid,monstrous at 6’6 240 and one of the best fighters in hockey. He can play a bit of left wing also.He’s beaten down every goon he’s faced.The hab’s street cred goes up ten fold with him looking for victims.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Does he or is he capable of playing 8-10 minutes a night? That is usually the first question that comes to mind?

      • Max says:

        I think he can.He isn’t opposed to beating down middleweights like Staubitz as well. His presence would allow guys like Prust and White to play and agitate without having to fight regularly.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Ideally you want a guy who can play. Who, when the game is tight, can go out there and make an impact by throwing hits, playing strong defensively and crashing the goal area.

          But you know what, if they can’t find that type of player, I’d still rather have Bordeleau on the roster to play 40 regular season games against certain teams.

          No games next year where we have a brawl going on and all our players end up losing. It’s time to clearly win a couple of those scenarios for once in five years. Getting embarrassing.

          • Max says:

            Very true.It’s tiring to see the team being thrown around like sweet dolls.Mclaren jostled with a princess like Gorges earlier in the season and took it easy and even laughed at him.We need a player who will take out the trash when necessary and not play by some dumb code. Gorges was lucky Mclaren held off.

          • piper says:

            Hobie, if he was a good player he wouldn’t become a free agent. But at the same time we need a guy like him in the lineup. If he can play 4 to 5 minutes a game I’d take him in a heart beat if he becomes available. I think Avs will resign him.

      • B says:

        He averaged a team low 6:13 TOI/game on the 29th placed Avalanche this season.

        –Go Habs Go!–

      • ebk says:

        no, but he can be the 13th forward and brought in against teams where he is needed ala Frazer MacLaren. He’s going to be on Bergevin’s radar.

      • ATOI with Col last season was 6:13.

    • HabFan in Edmonton says:

      If you are looking to add just toughness than Bordeleau is a good bet but I hate seeing the Habs waste a roster spot on guys who can just fight, but I also hated watching Fraser Maclaren running around acting like an idiot against the Habs.

      • Max says:

        He had 5 points in 46 games this season I believe.Hardly spectacular but he would give the smaller guys the confidence to play knowing he had their backs.The team would feel 10 feet tall automatically and the fans would love a French enforcer from Montreal on the ice.

    • punkster says:

      He’s BIIIIIIIG…he’s TUUUUUUF…he has BETTER STATS than Colton Orr…

      Sign him…DO IT MB!!!!!

      (said with all the sarcasm I can muster on a holiday weekend)

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • JUST ME says:

      There seems to be a fixation on this guy. The least toi/game with the Avalanche and we should go for him ! Why oh why do we think that if it does not do with Colorado it will in MTL ?
      I see what you want. A guy with no teeth that can beat the hell out of everybody . Those guys are not of any use in the NHL in 2013.

  38. If the Habs sign Ryder, we could end 2013-14 with 10, 20 goal scorers. Improve the defense by one player and man oh man next year could be another great season (regular).

    Gonna be crazy great year.

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  39. HardHabits says:

    Looking at the Habs… the real area they need to improve is on defence. IMHHO they need not just size but to maintain improved speed back there and… a more coordinated strategy. One of the things that drove me nuts with this team (in those few blow-out losses and in the play-offs against the Sens) was when the opponent would start to cycle. Little by little, the Habs defence corps would get unhinged, and end up scrambling to and fro, to the point of Keystone Cop-like stumbling and bumbling, until Price (or Budaj) was not just hung out to dry but twisted inside out.

    The Habs need to be able to impose their will in their own end more often than they have last season. Of course other teams will score goals. I’d like to see 13th over-all in goals against be improved to a top 10 defensive standing while maintaining another top 5 offensive campaign.

    They are not that far… but they still have work to do.

    • New says:

      I think you’re right. In the NHL you can have all sizes at forward because you run about 12 or 13 forwards. Speed and skill helps, as of course does size. But on D you run about 6 guys. You need half those to be big, 6’2″ and above. They have to see over the opposition, to see what is going on. They have to not be thrown into their goal, be skilled, and be able to ride folks out of the play.

      The Canadiens are closer to being a contender than a perennial also ran, but D is the key. Markov, Subban, are fine but that leaves room for only one more 6′ D, then you need size, and if anyone gets hurt it better not be a “bigger” D.

      Teams with big D keep the Habs on the perimeter. Two perimeter teams can play and the score ends up 2-1 or 1-0. A perimeter team against a well constructed team usually loses 4-1 or 5-2 and the media talks about how great the other goalie is.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        “Markov, Subban, are fine but that leaves room for only one more 6′ D”

        That is the key right there. So when you keep going down the line and you still have Gorges, Diaz and Bouillon, there’s a serious problem.

        If the Habs don’t correct that before next year, it’s a quick and early exit from the first round, at best!

        Some people are fine with that if the future isn’t disrupted, and that’s cool. But it’s not correct because something can easily be done without disrupting the future too badly, if at all.

      • issie74 says:

        I like Darren Dietz 6+1 210 pds, mobile defenceman only 19 years old.

        I have been watching his memorial cup appearance he looks good.

        Maybe a year or two away,but in Hamilton this coming season.

        I trust Sylvan Lefebve.

        NorthTOHab

    • Phil C says:

      Couldn’t agree more. As you said, not just size, but talent. Given what is available through free agency, this might be a good summer for trades because several teams will need to make cap room.

  40. BJ says:

    Galchenyuk saves the day for the USA. Here’s the scenario if you didn’t catch it. Into the shootout down to the last guy as Finland is one shootout goal up, one miss and they go home empty handed, a bit of pressure on a 19 year old. Galchenyuk is called up to shoot last, scores on a great move tied again. We are now into the tie breaker (in intenational hockey you can come back with the same players). Finland shoots first-misses. Back to the USA and they choose our boy again, he comes in and does it again-bronze USA. WOW! What moves….

  41. Loonie says:

    Funny little note.

    Scott Howson is getting a lot of credit for the Blue Jackets doing well to end the season.

    But he passed on picking Galchenyuk. We will be thanking him for years because of that stupidity.

  42. jols101 says:

    Finland got Galchenyuked.

    Way to go kid. Silly moves.

  43. Hobie Hansen says:

    OK, was making some speculations about the Habs getting a physical D below.

    Let’s say the Habs do stand pat and roll with what they had to finish the season.

    Emelin on the IR to start, and Subban, Markov, Gorges, Diaz, Bouillon and Tinordi playing regular minutes.

    Over an 82-game season, do you think Montreal can make the playoffs?

    • JF says:

      No. I don’t think we’ll make the playoffs anyway, but certainly not with that D.

    • Loonie says:

      Yes. The two interesting things about this season are…..

      1. Does Bergevin bring in a forward to fill Ryder’s inevitable loss?
      2. Will it be a UFA, trade or internal promotion?

      • HUDSONHAB says:

        Ryder’s goals get replaced by committee. Each of Eller, Galchenyuk,Pacs and Bourque score more regularly than this year.
        Need big defensive D and big tough forward this summer.
        ….Hab4life….

    • HardHabits says:

      Don’t forget, next season has the new realignment, which I hate. Top 3 per division with the next two highest in rankings as wild cards. Detroit will be in our division as well. And. The east has 8 teams out of 16 in the play-offs while the west has 8 teams out of 14 making it.

      Total Bettmanian Bull Spit.

      I really think we Habs fans need to be patient. It will take more than one slogan to recreate the identity of a team. It will take many patient moves to undo the past regime’s anathema to scoring talent and robustness.

      The good news was that last season the Habs played a good two way game, with a heavy emphasis on scoring. Habs were 3rd over-all in goals for and although 13th in goals against, still had the 3rd best goals differential at +23.

    • ebk says:

      what cheap UFA’s did they miss out on last year on D?

    • wjc says:

      Pateryn, and Beleau….both big boys….Bouillon in his last year.

      Montreal will make the playoffs with plenty of room to spare.

      wjc

  44. B says:

    Wow, clutch performances for young Galchenyuk in the shoot out to win the USA a medal.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  45. zorro says:

    Alex Galchenyuk emerges a hero. Way to go Alex.

  46. HardHabits says:

    Tank™ You Very Much.

  47. MtlCANADIENS93 says:

    Gally enough said. going to be a superstar!

  48. Hab No Fear says:

    OOOOOOOOHHH GALLY

  49. Loonie says:

    We.Have.A.STAR

  50. HabFan in Edmonton says:

    Personally I don’t think the answer is in the free agent market. You would badly overpay for a Clarkson or Clowe which would limit flexibility going forward. There is a reason Fistric didn’t play a lot in Edmonton, he is tough but not that good and the Oilers needed toughness this year. If you can find a heart soul and soul guy like Prust at a reasonable price than go for it but they are hard to find at a reasonable price.
    I think MB will make some small changes and perhaps use one or more of his 2nd rounders to trade up in the draft if there is someone they really want. As he said it takes time to change the make up of the team. At least we are headed in the right direction.

  51. Bill says:

    Timo in the Happiest Place on Earth? How will that turn out??

  52. fastfreddy says:

    Just a thought about the DD contract extension, MB better hope Desharnais has a minimum 50 pt. season or that deal will have egg on MB’s face. I think most fans feel if DD had gone free agent route he wouldn’t have received 3.5 mil/yr. MB could have retained him for less $ OR less time period.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • fastfreddy says:

      The defence has to get bigger, that’s a no brainer. If not bigger, then definitely “grittier”.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

    • B says:

      Desharnais’ production was certainly down this season, but he was still a bargain at less than $1M. It is obviously too early to comment on his production next season, but we can compare his production this season to NHLers who’s salary was $3.5M or more this season ($3.5M being Deharnais’ salary for next season).

      Comparisons to Desharnais this NHL season:
      93 players had more points.
      85 forwards had more points.
      37 centers had more points.

      NHL salaries this season:
      223 players had a cap hit >= $3.5M.
      124 forwards had a cap hit >= $3.5M.
      64 centers had a cap hit >= $3.5M.

      –Go Habs Go!–

  53. Timo says:

    Anyway, I off to Disneyland – just a tiny gift for a little someone turning 4 tomorrow. You kids play nice. I am going to check out some fairies and princesses.

  54. Timo says:

    I don’t know if any of your guys noticed but Habs lost 6-1 to Senators.

  55. fastfreddy says:

    @Loonie, I agree with much of your statement, but I hope you’re wrong about the team looking the same going into next season, beccause the results will not be as positive as this seasons’ results. They need some changes, free agents and trades.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  56. Hobie Hansen says:

    When looking at the list of UFA defensemen, there really doesn’t appear to be too much out there that fits the Canadiens needs.

    I don’t see the Canadiens being interested in spending 5-6 million on a top 1 or 2 defensemen when they’ve already got Markov and Subban.

    What I’d imagine they’d be interested in is a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy with some size and physicality?

    Now I’ve really only seen a few shifts from Mark Fistric, who’s a UFA, during his first game in an Oilers’ jersey this season. They were talking about his toughness and hitting and sure enough he absolutely leveled a few players during the game and I believe he was in a fight as well.

    Looking at his stats, he ended the season a plus -6 in 25 games, after suffering a couple nagging injuries. He played 15 mins a night and threw 88 hits (3+ per game) over that span as well. He’s a former 1st rounder who was a plus -27 on Dallas a few years ago, the last time they had a somewhat competent team.

    He’s 6’2″, 26-years-old and 230 lbs. Again, I’m really only going by his bio and stats, but at first glance I definitely think this is someone Bergevin should be looking to sign to play as our 6th or maybe 5th defenseman.

    • HardHabits says:

      Now is not the time to make forays into free agency, unless it is for heart and soul polyvalent players like Brandon Prust.

      The team will be built via the draft and eventual trades once assets are stocked. The D is set for next season. In fact, the team will actually start the rebuild once 2014-15 roles around, when hopefully Markov, Gionta, Boullion and Diaz will no longer be on the roster, maybe by then Gorges is traded as well.

      Bergevin stated in no unclear terms that he won’t be building a team via free agency, that he will do it via the draft, and that his goal is organizational depth. That takes years to accomplish, to remake the Habs from Gainey’s small speedy team to Bergevin’s robust skilled one.

      • The Dude says:

        To do well in the Draft don’t you have too TANK!

        • HabFan in Edmonton says:

          Not neccessarily, Subban was a 2nd rounder. It depends on how good your scouting staff is.

          • HardHabits says:

            Without a doubt. Development and mentoring are the real keys.

            That being said, never underestimate the value of a high draft pick. Players available there are rarely available in later rounds.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        The “D” is set for next season, what are you crazy? There is no way in hell Bergevin is rolling with what he’s got. The Habs desperately need a player like Fistric, unless you’re satisfied with the last 10 games of the regular season or the playoffs.

        Tinordi will be awesome one day, hopefully next year, but that’s a big stretch. Emelin is gone until at least Christmas.

        Fistric or a guy like him would cost $2mill a season for 3 years….

        It’s a no brainer.

        Bergevin isn’t going to shock the word this summer with huge deals but he’s going to make a handful of subtle moves to get a bit bigger/stronger/tougher.

        • HardHabits says:

          Unless one or more of Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Emelin or Bouillon is traded the D is set for next season. 2014-15 is when the Habs have the ability to change the composure of the D corps. Not until then.

          http://stats.nhlnumbers.com/teams/MTL?year=2013

          • Hobie Hansen says:

            I believe Bouillon was signed as insurance. And I agree with you that the big changes will happen after next season, I’ve know that for a couple years now.

            However, I think it’s pretty much public knowledge that Bergevin realizes his big mistake last summer was letting a couple big, tough, shutdown defensemen sign with other teams for pretty reasonable prices.

            I personally think, and I could be wrong, that signing the type of defenseman I’m talking about is his number one priority this summer. Maybe you’re right that it could be via a trade.

            I also agree that he isn’t going to disrupt the future and will be patient.

          • commandant says:

            The problem is that there just isn’t many big, physical defenceman available who are capable of playing in a top 4 role, this summer.

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    • Maritime Ron says:

      If you sign a Regehr or Scuderi, Markov and his Cap Hit can be traded. Subban can be paired with either Diaz or Beaulieu on the 1st Unit PP, and we get better size and strength from either Regehr or Scuderi. What we get back from Markov would be a big bonus and several teams would line up for his services if he became available.

      The BIG question becomes do any of those two even consider Montreal a landing spot or a City of Choice?

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        You are really rolling the dice with either Regher or Scuderi. They are both both approaching their mid thirties, slowing down, although Regher has looked somewhat rejuvenated in L.A., and will be looking for that last decent contract for 3 or 4 years.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          My 1st choice is Scuderi and I love his already 2 Stanley Cup rings from 2 different teams.
          I would prefer him mentoring the gang of youngsters we have coming than Markov.
          I say go get him and overpay him a little.
          He is known as all about character.

          If we ever did sign and overpay, there would probably be the same whining as July 1st last year when we gave Prust 4/$10M. How’s that working out for us?

    • wjc says:

      Why do you people insist on ignoring players already in the Canadiens system.

      wjc

  57. Maritime Ron says:

    Here’s hoping Habs management/scouts don’t get caught up in the “He Can’t Skate” Draft scouting profile/Mantra and look for that hidden gem with size….You cannot teach size, strength, or toughness.

    Back in the 2006 draft, the 50th player was about to be chosen.
    The young man was 6’3 and weighed 204 pounds at that time.

    He played for the Vancouver Giants with not very impressive offensive stats that year, yet a lot of penalty minutes:
    GP:62. G:9. PTS:19 PIM:149

    The scouting profile on him that draft year was:
    ” Like many young players, he will need to continue working on his SKATING, particularly his SPEED, which is one of the WEAKEST areas for the 18-year-old. What’s promising is that he improved tremendously in the space of a single season, a trend that, if it continues, could turn him into an effective checking line player.”

    Yet at that time, his coach said:
    ” He really sets the tone on our team with his work ethic,” Giants coach Don Hay said. “[He] finishes his checks and when he hits people he hits them hard. He’s not afraid to change the game with dropping his gloves or going to the net and making things happen.”

    Well, that youngster filled out to become 230 pounds – still not a great skater today, yet can play on any Top 6 of any NHL team today.

    Boston went ahead and chose him at 50th.
    His name is Milan Lucic.

    Are there any potential Lucics in this year’s draft?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      In 1977 the Habs , picking 12th, had the chance to choose a young man everyone had heard of from his Play for Laval. But he was too timid. Not physical enough. Would never make it in the NHL.

    • commandant says:

      Lucic is a freak… Much like Subban, he had a crazy learning curve after being drafted. In his draft year he showed no hands and no ability to score goals, most pegged him as a physical third liner. Sometimes guys develop, but its rare to see a non scorer start scoring or something similar.

      The last few drafts people have searched for the “next lucic”, the guy who is big and physical and will suddenly start scoring after he’s drafted. Guys like Tyler Biggs have been drafted far too high. They aren’t developping like Lucic did.

      I believe that if there is a “next Lucic” it won’t be the 17 year old kid who can’t score and suddenly develops at 18 and 19. I believe it will be a big physical goal scorer from day 1 who will be drafted top 10.

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    • wjc says:

      For every Lucic there are 50 duds, you have to be lucky. Hindsight is always 20/20.

      wjc

  58. frontenac1 says:

    Bigger Ice,Bigger nets,Bigger pads.How about some Bigger Habs? Its a Saloon day with the Lads to watch the Bruins/Rags game. Hope there’s some Big Fights!Saludos Amigos!

  59. commandant says:

    @ED

    The issue with bigger ice surfaces is not taking out the most expensive seats as many believe. You don’t lose the front row, what you lose is the back row.

    The issue is that most of the rinks in the NHL are less than 20 years old, and plenty are less than 10.

    The rinks were designed with refrigeration facilities for the current sized ice. They can not support the bigger ice surface with the current technology. How the ice making work is its a series of large pipes under the ice, filled with brine, that is brought down to very cold temperatures and the water freezes above it, to make ice. You can’t simply expand the ice, without digging up the floor of these buildings and installing a brand new ice making plant. The time necessary to make these renovations would put rinks out of commission for a long time (no concerts, no basketball. no nothing) and wouldn’t be possible to do in one offseason.

    Its a major logistical issue and the only logical way to make this change (if the nHL wants to make the change) is to do it over a 30 year span by mandating that all new arenas be built with the bigger ice in mind from day 1 of construction.

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    • Savardian_Spinorama says:

      Piffle. If they can build an ice surface in a bloody baseball/football stadium inside of a week (look up “NHL winter classic” in Wikipedia if you don’t believe me) they can expand an existing NHL rink without too much trouble. The reason it won’t happen is because too many teams are built for the smaller surface — especially teams like Boston, Philly, and Toronto whose owners wield the most power at the governors table. Until they have teams suited to the big ice, it ain’t happening.

      • commandant says:

        Its a lot easier to put equipment into a football stadium with the room and capacity your have there, and you don’t have to bury it underground to make sure its on the same level as the existing ice surface (As there is no existing surface there). Totally different situation

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        • Savardian_Spinorama says:

          MSG was completely refurbished with virtually no downtime. Study how modern ice plants are designed. They’re not as difficult to expand as you might think — i.e., don’t require a complete gut job to existing plants. If you don’t buy my rationale re why the NHL won ‘t go to the large surface, then try this on for size: hockey on NHL-sized rinks is more entertaining. Not convincied? Did you watch the world championship? How does it compare to the NHL playoffs? Not very well IMO.

  60. commandant says:

    A look at Jason Dickinson, another potential power forward in this year’s draft class who could be available for the Habs 2nd round picks.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/19/jason-dickinson-2013-nhl-draft-player-profile-38/

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  61. 24 Cups says:

    Ed – This might be a bit of a stretch on my part, but your comments about bigger ice surfaces is the same problem that the PGA Tour is facing with golf courses that can no longer handle the players of today.

    I would even take it a step further and say that the NHL will have to eventually consider a slightly larger ice surface than the international standard of today(maybe as much as 220 by 110?).

    As for our earlier discussion on Seth Jones, I wonder if Colorado will still take him first overall after bungling the trade with St Louis. They have a nice core of five young forwards but no real stud on the backend. If they do take Jones, then teams like Montreal, Ottawa and Toronto are going to have live with the fact that they will have to watch MacKinnon and Drouin play in Florida for the next ten years.

    • Loonie says:

      Jones grew up in Colorado. Stan Kroenke is the Avalanche owner. Money is the most important thing to that franchise.

      Put Jones in an Avs jersey now, it’s automatic in my opinion.

  62. JohnBellyful says:

    How about this: eliminate the shootout but give both teams zero points if they’re still tied after OT?
    (What, you expected a point for producing zilch results?)
    BUT if you win in OT, you get ONE point — hey, you’re lucky to get a point at all after missing deadline — and the losing side has a point DEDUCTED — serves them right for making games drag on.
    I think the new point system would ensure a frenzied finish.

  63. Here are a few Fwd’s MB should keep an eye on.

    Pierre-Cedric Labrie
    Patrick Boredeleau
    Alexandre Bolduc
    Colton Orr
    Matt Hendricks
    Raffi Torres
    Ryane Clowe
    Brad Boyes
    Derek Roy

    • Loonie says:

      Derek Roy is a centreman and this team has Plekanec, Desharnais and Eller. In addition he’s renowned as the biggest whiner in the league, probably doesn’t fit the “no excuses” mantra the team has adopted.

      Clowe, Torres or Boyes would be nice additions to our third line but the addition of any of those three keeps Kristo in Hamilton.

    • The Dude says:

      Well no brainer here…If Colton Orr is available then acquire his services since we don’t have what he offers! Should be pretty reasonable. Labrie is an interesting athlete…he’s a kinda good skater ,fighter,hockey player? Ryan Clowe is too expensive but would be great,Roy is too small and did nada for Vancouver.

      • punkster says:

        Ya well, Orr is definitely a “no brainer”…because all he does is fight, nothing else…nada…and his incredible contribution to the Loafs this year should be all one needs to see that.

        ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

        • twilighthours says:

          Did you watch the leafs series? He looked pretty capable in the role he played.

          • punkster says:

            Yes, I did…and he continues to prove himself to be a lunkhead with zero hockey skill.

            By the way, exactly what was the role he played, besides lunkhead… because Randy played him like a top 6 forward?

            Give me some actual positive stats that he contributed to the Loafs in the playoffs or all season for that matter…and they don’t even have to be fancy stats ;)

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • ebk says:

            how many top six forwards play 6 minutes a game because in the NHL I’ve watched, that’s 4th line minutes.

          • punkster says:

            True but games 6 and 7 he had him playing 9 and 8 minutes respectively….clearly because he deserved that additional ice time based on his contributions prior to that at 4 and 5 minutes.

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • ebk says:

            Not a Colton Orr fan but I thought he was OK in that series. And still even at 9 minutes, it’s 4th line stuff.

          • punkster says:

            This was incorrectly posted up under the Bordeleau comments…
            He’s a lunkhead and a waste of roster space…as even a Leaf blog suggests…with stats and video evidence:
            http://theleafsnation.com/2013/3/18/the-absurdity-of-colton-orr

            ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

          • ebk says:

            like I said not an Orr fan but I thought he was OK.

            Plus what kind of rose-colored realist Hab fan would ever take anything a Leaf fan says seriously?

  64. Has Carey Price ask for a trade yet? NO. Will MB listen to offers for CP? Probably? MB will be staying the course and make a few minor changes coming this season. Depends where our Habs are in the standings come trade deadline next season are anybody’s guess?

    IF CP gets traded to whomever, MB will ONLY be doing for equal return or what teams will make the bigger splash for CP. Mark my words CP will be haunting our Habs for years to come. Who do you think will replace CP IF that was to happen?

    Me thinks it would be disastrous for years to come IF traded. A much bigger D will help and give protection in front of net CP needs to be a solid goaltender. With Emelin out to start next season the Habs D is below average with its D core right now.

    A trade for a couple of BIG D will go along way proving WHAT CP is capable of being NO. 1. Who would be MB choices be are going to be interesting in months to come. My choice to replace Emelin would be Mark Fistric. Adding Kurtis Foster adds the need size.

    Markov – Subban
    Fistric – Diaz
    Tinordi – Foster
    Gorges

    • Loonie says:

      Kurtis Foster was put on waivers just before this year’s trade deadline and Bergevin passed on him like everyone else. Safe to say he’s unlikely to be with the Habs in September.

      Bottom line is that it’s highly unlikely that Marc Bergevin signs a defenseman from the UFA market. He already has Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Tinordi, Bouillon and Emelin. In addition to that he gave Nathan Beaulieu high praise during his season ending press conference so he’s likely to see time if there’s an injury. I think the likeliest scenario looking ahead to the off-season is that he signs Drewiske to a short term extension so that he can serve as the #7 defenseman until Emelin is healthy and back in the lineup, at which point Bouillon and Drewiske will be our #7 and #8 defensemen. Leaving us with Markov, Subban, Gorges, Diaz, Tinordi and Emelin as the regulars.

      Where the team will be challenged and work needing done is at forward. Ryder is as good as gone. Armstrong and Halpern are both unrestricted free agents as well. We’re left with Plekanec, Gionta, Bourque, Desharnais, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Eller, Gallagher, Prust, Moen and White. Dumont may have earned himself a full-time spot which would round out the twelve forwards but there may well turn out to be internal competition for a full-time spot among Louis Leblanc, Michael Bournival and Danny Kristo.

      The more I look at the roster the more I think it will look very much like it did heading into the playoffs.

      • Rad says:

        Your last sentence doesn’t sound very encouraging.

        • Loonie says:

          The possibility of trading is always wide open and there could be some movement but I would be very surprised if Bergevin dips his toes into the UFA market.

          Having said that he won’t trade the popular subjects of speculation in my opinion. Desharnais isn’t going anywhere, Markov is the only player that Therrien’s had in both Habs tours and loyalty will probably prevail there. Gorges is to my dismay seen as the captain in waiting so he’s rock solid.

          Bourque could move, but wow what a mistake that would be. Great cap hit and a big, physical versatile player.

          I think if there are going to be trades it will be players we don’t want to see move for the most part. Eller, Bourque, Diaz, White.

          • Rad says:

            I am holding some hope that Bergevin is going to add some size for next year, both at forward and on D. The free agent names that should be do-able IMO are Bickell and Fistric. Failing that, I would like to see a trade.

    • The Dude says:

      Trade Price and Gionta to the Pens for Malkin and Fleury .

  65. Strabo says:

    That is a very interesting thought Ed. I’ve never thought to think that far ahead. You make some nice points. Definetly food for thought.

    “Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.” Albert Einstein

  66. Habcouver says:

    I would hope there would be a bigger crowd for the bronze medal match. Guessing the fans are waiting to fill the stands for the gold medal match.

    Go Chucky and Kristo!

    Waiting patiently for #25

  67. Ncognito says:

    Who are Jones and MacKinnon most like in today’s NHL?

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      MacKinnon looks like Crosby but Jones…not sure. Can’t think of a D-man with his size and mobility. Anyway, after last night there should be some heated debate over who goes number#1. Jones is a talent but he showed that all D-men need some time to develop. MacKinnon is ready now. If Colorado drafts for need (Jones), they may live to regret it.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  68. HammerHab says:

    was watching the US warm up and thought WTF!!?!??! Why is Gionta out there!?!?!? Then I realized he has a brother :P

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  69. sweetmad says:

    I agree with you Ed,but the league will look a lot different soon,New York will be under water as will Tampa and a few other teams maybe even Montreal.But I would love to see todays Gooins chasing our HABS around,a large rink or a few other big heavy teams,it would be quite funny,they would never catch us to hit us
    I love the Worlds I like to see speed and skill,instead of hitting and fighting.I don’t think most people here realise,NA ice hockey is a joke to the rest of the world,for years the only thing I saw of it was the bloopers of bench clearing brawls,that was obviously before I moved here and fell in love with our HABS.
    GO HABS GO


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