Habs’ Subban already in gym training for next season; Gorges could be on way out

While his agent, Don Meehan, negotiates with Canadiens GM Marc Bergevin about a new contract for P.K. Subban, the restricted free-agent defenceman is already back in the gym.

Subban told The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs that he is already training for next season after taking a 10-day break.

“I don’t believe in taking too much time off,” Subban told Stubbs. “As you’re training, you want to take time off as you feel you need it. As of now, I’m just getting my body warmed up for the hard training that’s coming in July and August.”

Subban added with a laugh: “If I’m sitting on my couch for two or three weeks, I don’t know a player who won’t put on weight doing that. I just like to be active. If I go two days without working out, I feel uncomfortable. The old saying is: ‘If you’re not working, are other guys?’ So you’ve got to ask yourself that question.

“I’m always working on something. I had a four-day road trip (last week to Vancouver and Las Vegas) and I probably should have slept in today, taken a day to recuperate,” Subban told Stubbs when they spoke Thursday morning.

“But I got into the gym at 8 a.m. and I feel 10 times better than when I woke up this morning. That’s something I tell young guys all the time: stay in the gym. They’ve got to figure out what that means, but stay in the gym.”

Meanwhile, there are reports the Canadiens are trying to trade defenceman Josh Gorges to the Toronto Maple Leafs, but his modified no-trade clause could be holding things up.

TSN Hockey Insider Bob McKenzie tweeted Monday that the Leafs are still hoping Gorges will waive his no-trade clause. If that happens, McKenzie stated “it’s believed Montreal would get a roster player from Toronto” in exchange.

When reached by The Gazette’s Stubbs, Gorges said: “I want people to know that I never wanted to leave Montreal. In no way has this been my decision.”

(Gazette file photo/John Mahoney)

Gym a bit part of summer for Subban, by The Gazette’s Dave Stubbs

Habs taking all the right steps, by Jack Todd for The Gazette

Habs GM Bergevin continues to be busy, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

Sons try to follow dads at NHL draft, by  Pat Hickey

Salary cap could spark necessary trades, montrealgazette.com

Leafs in pursuit of Gorges, TSN.ca

Could Habs trade Gorges to Leafs? sportsnet.ca

Vanek, Stastny, Iginla highlight UFA forwards, NHL.com

Habs take Russian Scherbak with first-round pick, by Pat Hickey

Dream come true for Scherbak (video), canadiens.com

Habs take defenceman Lernout with second pick at draft, by Pat Hickey

Not a good year for Quebec at NHL draft, by Pat Hickey

Habs prospect McCarron remains a work in progress, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Coyotes buy out Ribeiro for ‘behaviour issues,’ Arizona Rebublic




  1. PK, 29 June, 2014

    Go PK Go!!!

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  2. PK, 29 June, 2014

    Oh yeah, sign on with the Habs, bud.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  3. BJ, 29 June, 2014


  4. BJ, 29 June, 2014

    Shootout win for Costa Rica

  5. BJ, 29 June, 2014

    Great goalie for Costa Rica. Greece dominated but couldn’t get a second goal.

  6. UKRAINIANhab, 29 June, 2014

    Costa Rica!

  7. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    True, with CBC, there is a lot of boring, amateurish stuff We have to put up with, but compared to commercial American television which rots what’s left of Your brain-cells, there is a lot on CBC that We will terribly miss, in My opinion, once it’s no more.

  8. Steven, 29 June, 2014

    Well, it was a fun run for Greece. They deserved the win today, but Navas was rock solid.

    …And as we’re all familiar with, the better team isn’t always the one that wins, especially when the other goalie is lights out.

  9. PK, 29 June, 2014

    Costa Rica has had quite the tournament so far.
    Their match against the Netherlands will be another close one.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  10. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Shoot-out goal to win a World Cup soccer game ?

    Good grief Charlie Brown ! :(

  11. jols, 29 June, 2014

    I think the Netherlands wins easily. I am thinking 4-1 or 3-0. We will have to watch next week.

  12. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Meehan and Subby are brilliant, I got to hand it to them, well-placed, well-timed propaganda during what I perceive as the end-game on His negotiations. :)

    Subby is no fool. He’s going to be successful post-hockey as much as during His playing dayz. :)

  13. BJ, 29 June, 2014

    Didn’t Peter Forsberg score the golden goal at the 1994 Olympics in Lilehammer in a shootout vs Canada?

  14. DDO_Habs_Fan, 29 June, 2014

    Sad my Greeks lost even though they outplayed CR the last 45 min. You can’t let games go to the shootout and expect. Anyway, whoever would win this game was going to lose the next game regardless.

    On a side note, how in the he$% did Gorges get a NTC in his contract? Stupid GM…

  15. PK, 29 June, 2014

    Yes, painful … against a one Corey Hirsch

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  16. UKRAINIANhab, 29 June, 2014

    Unless they break out the 0-10 formation… Costa rica of course

  17. Strummer, 29 June, 2014

    With no one willing to touch Gorges @ $3.9 million annually that contract is as god as a NTC

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  18. Habilis, 29 June, 2014

    P.K. is just so much awesome sauce. After he signs, they should give him the “C”.

  19. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Almost ringing the gong at 900 !

    Latest 10, …keep them coming ! :)

    joe chiniborch
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  20. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    HiS, I’m in. Keep up the good work.
    I have never been an 82-game guy, can only imagine becoming one if I ever manage to retire. But I feel for those who are 82-game guys. This is a complex fight, David and Goliath(s), but a petition is as good a place to start as anywhere. Fair play to you. I think Churchill would say that your 1000 sigs are not the beginning of the end but the end of the beginning!

  21. DDO_Habs_Fan, 29 June, 2014

    I think there would be teams that would take it like Buffalo, Edmonton, Florida, and Winnipeg but he has a LTC. I can understand giving a clause like that to an all-star but Gorges??? Geezus…

  22. PK, 29 June, 2014

    The Dutch really felt that heat and humidity despite the “cooling breaks.”

    Maybe Brazil should have brought in some engineers from Qatar (re:outdoor air conditioning). LOL.

    The Netherlands will push through past Costa Rica – close or a blowout – we will see.

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  23. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    I feel the same of it occurring in hockey as well BJ, Olympics, World Cup etc.

  24. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    0-10: the beautiful game.

  25. BJ, 29 June, 2014

    I wonder how long the players could last. They looked pretty burned out after 120 minutes.

  26. DDO_Habs_Fan, 29 June, 2014

    The only good 2nd pairing RH D-man available I can think of is Dustin Byfuglien but I have no idea what it would take to get him at a resonable price. I would involve Pleks and/or Gorges but they have LTCs. I think MB is really handcuffed. Hopefully he can pull something off.

  27. HabFab, 29 June, 2014

    Today is the deadline for Qualifying Offers for RFA’s. Hab’s RFA’s are ;

    Robert Czarnik
    Peter Delmas
    Lars Eller
    Joonas Nättinen
    P.K. Subban
    Ryan White

    Can’t see Czarnik or Delmas getting offers and Nattinen has already signed to play next season in Sweden. They may Qualify just to retain his rights.

  28. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Yup :) …long-road ahead still with the Roger’s issue.

    I really would prefer someOne else was leading this because I prefer to be flogging the Campaign To Retire Hector ‘Toe’ Blake’s Number 6 !!!’ :)

    But this Roger’s thing has to be addressed now. :(

  29. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Only one penalty stopped.

    Can that poor Greek guy EVER be persuaded that he was robbed by a brilliant save? Or that Greece had no business allowing the game to get to penalties, that there were many others on his team far more guilty than he — who, again, was robbed.

    Costa Rica, having expended much practice time on taking penalties, played out the entire 30 energy-sapping minutes of extra time with a view to not conceding and to having a go in the shootout. 30 minutes of negative play.

    Oh well. Happy for their fans. Who do you like now, Steven? (Or is it insensitive to ask at this time?!)

  30. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Over-time hockey games going unto 1 to 2 AM in the morning ?

    What’s more physical than a hockey game BJ ?

  31. BJ, 29 June, 2014

    But you can change the lines. As to what is more physical than hockey, getting up in the morning as we age.

  32. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Excuse faraway-me, please, but who are those first two guys?!

  33. HabFab, 29 June, 2014

    No dates yet for next week Prospect Camp but here are the undrafted FA invitees known so far;

  34. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    It is my sincerest hope that MB pays this guy whatever it takes.

    I appreciate that it is possible to imagine legitimate scenarios in which PK ends up elsewhere. Legitimate and credible and logical. But my faith will be shattered if any of them come about, and I don’t believe any will.

  35. Chwinsy, 29 June, 2014

    how about after 120 minutes, you get 3 new subs for each 2 15 minute halves

  36. twilighthours, 29 June, 2014

    If that’s a heart rate monitor that P.K. is wearing, I’ve never seen one like it. Weird.

  37. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Hear ya, BJ. Lawrence Taylor says that for the first half hour after he gets up in the morning and is walking around the house, it sounds like someone’s making popcorn.

  38. HabFab, 29 June, 2014

    Robert Czarnik was a Center acquired mid year from LA (3rd rounder) for Quailler. Finishing his ETL contract with not much to show for it in 3 AHL seasons.
    Peter Delmas was a Goaltender signed by the Habs after not being signed by Colorado (2nd rounder). Excellent ECHL goaltender but hasn’t been able to crack the AHL. Finishing his ETL contract.

  39. HabFab, 29 June, 2014

    If you made his money then you could get one :)

  40. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    ‘CRTC Mulls Cable Rule Overhaul That May Allow Custom Packages'; http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/crtc-mulls-cable-rule-overhaul-that-may-allow-custom-packages-1.2621679

    ‘Pick And Pay Cable Would Mean Changes To Local TV Funding Say Bell And Rogers'; http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/pick-and-pay-cable-would-mean-changes-to-local-tv-funding-say-bell-rogers-1.2690800

    Some reading for those interested.


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  41. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Cheers, HabFab. Appreciate that.

  42. dr. schmutzdeker, 29 June, 2014

    I’m wit ya mike….not that mucho crazy money is good. It’s just that I don’t believe it will spoil this kid as it would the majority of young players.

  43. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014


    Glad to hear it’s not ONLY Me ! :)

  44. twilighthours, 29 June, 2014

    I’m definitely in the wrong line of work.

  45. Habfan10912, 29 June, 2014

    Please allow me a bit of a brag on PK. Seldom do I see an athlete on a team I root for with the total package that this young man has. On top of his tremendous skill set comes a magnificent work ethic.

    It reminds me if watching players like Wade Redden among others who seemingly had the skills to be a long time star in the league but may possibly have lacked the work ethic that this young man has.

    So what we have here is a young man with out of this world skills, a tough mental attitude able to overcome much anguish in his young career and a willingness to work his butt off to improve his game.

    Makes it easy to root for the guy, eh?

  46. Ncognito, 29 June, 2014

    If I’m Buffalo, Winnipeg, Edmonton or one of a few other not so popular places for players to play I would have a team of lawyers looking at sueing the league regarding these no-trade clauses. It seems GM’s are handing them out like candy at halloween. If you are one of these less popular destinations that is well under the cap floor and you can’t convince top free agents to sign, your other choice is the trade route. But here lies another problem, most top players probaby have a no trade clause to your city. Getting to the cap floor may be possible by taking on bad contracts but when trying to improve your team through a trade you are at quite a disadvantage.

  47. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    BONG !!!

    Just hit 900 ! …in fact, 908, to be exact !

    1000 soon within reach.

    Good on Ya Guyz and Girlz, fellow Habs’ Fans ! Very proud of Y’all !


    Protest Roger’s Blackout of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec !…read & sign at:


  48. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Is it NHLPA-generated stealth parity-evasion?

  49. habs_54321, 29 June, 2014

    i dont understand how no team picked up ehrhoff on waivers, i thought for sure some team would grab him like detroit, nj who need puckmovers

  50. Dunboyne Mike, 29 June, 2014

    Good point. He knows he’s going to make gazillions, so he can focus on what ELSE he wants to get out of hockey. Unless it’s just hot air, it sure looks like what he genuinely wants is to be the absolute best he can be. And to win. And with the team he has followed all his life.

    Hand him the cheque book and a pen.

  51. alfieturcotte, 29 June, 2014

    While Subban prepares for 2015, Markov is doing what to deserve $18MM for the next 3 yrs? MB’s complete lack of vision. Focus on the wrong defenseman……

    Markov should have been allowed to go. That $6MM will look painful midway into season 1 of that contract…..

  52. fastfreddy, 29 June, 2014

    Chiming in on the Gorges discussion, which GM gave this guy a NTC? Really, is he Markov, Karlsson, Lindstrom, Sutter, Doughty,……………? I don’t get that deal??????

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  53. Habfan10912, 29 June, 2014

    I don’t know about a law suit but you raise a valid concern for those teams looking to get their payroll to the floor. They are almost forced to take on a bad contract. Perhaps the owners will include limiting no trade clauses in their next work stoppage. ( insert sarcasm front).

    None the less, good observation.

  54. Ian Cobb, 29 June, 2014

    Please sign this petition above everyone. Nice work Chris!

  55. Habfan10912, 29 June, 2014

    @Irish Mike. I have a book recommendation for LT. :)

  56. Chwinsy, 29 June, 2014

    do you know markov isn’t preparing?

  57. 416erHabsFan, 29 June, 2014

    I was going to sign but all the facebook and twitter conditions seem a little overboard. I might need someone just to dumb down the terms for me.

  58. CH Marshall, 29 June, 2014

    I believe it was arbitration with PG

  59. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    All you need to know Mike is neither guy will ever play a shift in the NHL.

  60. CharlieHodgeFan, 29 June, 2014

    Markov was a better all around defenceman than PK for most of the season. Subban didn’t even win the Norris for his own team until he hit his stride around the playoffs. Then, he was a magnificent player – everything we could have hoped for and more. But Markov got them to the show with steady, smart defensive hockey, and I have no doubt a bright guy like Subban learned an awful lot watching him.

    Markov wouldn’t have rehabbed that knee and had such a solid season if he didn’t take care of himself. He just doesn’t pose for the photos and publicize himself as well as PK does. Subban is the king of self-marketing, an important skill in the sports entertainment industry.

    On the ice, these two guys complement each other, and when they hit their stride at the same time, watch out. It’ll be fun to watch.

    And hey, I’ve read you enough to know you’re trolling, but it’s summertime and I don’t go to gyms.

  61. fastfreddy, 29 June, 2014

    I only hope that MB doesn’t do anything strange like that Gorges deal! I like Gionta, but it’s time to part ways. Youth, or FA’s, that’s the way.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  62. CharlieHodgeFan, 29 June, 2014

    I don’t care how much money he makes – I’d rather not know. It’ll be way too much, but if it’s enough to keep him around, hand it over. He can’t be replaced.

  63. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    So, I played golf with an ex CFL player this morning and he commented, at length, on the dynamic inside the Canadiens dressing room. I have no clue how he knows this, but he said that PK is not as popular as some (myself included) might think he is. He mentioned that PK is not liked by teammates and that a decision, on his future, is forthcoming.

    I hear a variation of these types of comments fairly regularly, probably more so living in Ottawa, among rival fans. I usually brush it off, but I really would like to know. I sometimes read too much into things that Bergevin says, and worry (unfoundedly) that there is a connection between comments made regarding being a good teammate and PK. I guess this is another long winded way of me saying that so long as this file remains open, I’ll always wonder about PK’s future within the organization. I have no good reason to feel this way, but I will feel much better knowing PK is locked up, long term.

    Lastly, while there’s still ink in the pen, I’d also like to see Eller and White locked up.

  64. fastfreddy, 29 June, 2014

    Wow, CJ, I hope you’re right and these allegations of PK not being liked in the dressing room are all jealous rumors. Like yourself, I won’t sleep well till PK is locked up. And yes, sign Eller also.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  65. Haberoooo13, 29 June, 2014

    And I am connected to some pro players that say it’s a load of crap and the main guys on the Habs have no problems with Pernell Karl.

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  66. jols, 29 June, 2014

    Tampa sent Purcell to Edmonton for Gagner.

  67. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Hey cool, the Oilers finally make a decent trade! Purcell for Gagne is a pretty strong move.

    I can’t help but think that this is the future – equalized salary coming and going in player exchanges. Also makes me realize, sadly, that there’s nobody going to take Briere off ours hands unless we are willing to take either salary and/or a project player coming back.

  68. fastfreddy, 29 June, 2014

    Sadly true, CJ.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  69. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    I hear both. Some say he’s liked, some say he’s not. Former teammate Alex Auld had the most glowing review, while others, perhaps due to jealousy, are very strongly outspoken against PK.

  70. DipsyDoodler, 29 June, 2014

    He’s 31 and is signed for 7 more years. Wait until the Sabres buy him out and sign him cheap.

    Moving. Forward.

  71. marv1840, 29 June, 2014

    CJ, although I appreciate that the ex CFL player you played golf seemed to indicate that PK is not a popular team mate with the Habs, you failed to identify the person you played golf with . So, I have no idea if the person you are referring to is a figment of your imagination, or if the person is genuine and did not tell you how he know that PK is not a well liked team mate. Either way, I have strong doubts whether the claim that PK is not a popular team mate is accurate.

  72. Harditya, 29 June, 2014

    This makes no sense whatsoever from the Oilers’ standpoint. If Hall, Eberle, Purcell and Perron are the top 6 wingers, where does Yakupov fit? Not really giving him a chance to succeed. I mean you can’t expect the kid to rack up points along Matt Hendricks.
    UNLESS, he’s on the move this summer.. for a legit top 4 defenseman.

  73. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    Agree that it’s a good trade for the Oilers, it didn’t look like Sam Gagner was going to realize his potential in Edmonton and the Oilers need to get bigger. Might turn out to be a good trade for both teams.

    Brier only has 1 more year so I don’t think it’s a big issue. It might be difficult to trade him now but later in the season is a different story.

  74. Steven, 29 June, 2014

    Probably due to his cap hit. Now they can negotiate with him at their own leisure

  75. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    I don’t think Mctavish is done dealing.

  76. ARMYHABFAN, 29 June, 2014

    I think that if a player is asking for a trade and has a no trade clause on his contract then that clause should be null and void. The team gave it in good faith that he would stay for the contract. The NO TRADE should then be taken out and the team can trade to what ever team gives them the best return

  77. marv1840, 29 June, 2014

    Regarding the petition, why is this such a big deal. Those that live outside the RDS regions can listen on radio on TSN am 690 Montreal through audio streaming to stay on top of each Habs game. I live in Miami and listen to the audio streaming and radio adds to the excitement of the game.

  78. UKRAINIANhab, 29 June, 2014

    With all due respect what the heck does an ex CFL player know About Hockey, The Habs, and what happens in the Habs room…

    Whether some people like it or not, we are looking at the 8 million range for a very long time!

    And Yes sign Eller and White!!!!!

    Maybe he does know something though, we will never know.

  79. Haberoooo13, 29 June, 2014

    Does everyone on the team love him? I would bet my house that the answer is no. Do 100% of them love him when he plays at his best? I am guessing that the answer is pretty close to 100% yes.

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  80. marv1840, 29 June, 2014

    I agree entirely with your statement Ncognito. Whether the no trade clause involves Montreal or any other NHL franchise, it sucks because the NHL is all about creating as much excitement for the upcoming season to as many franchises as possible. The league is trying to promote parity and it is a lot more interesting and exciting when the Stanley Cup is awarded to different teams every year than to a potential dynasty. Having the no trade clauses will prevent some teams, like Winnipeg, a cold climate Canadian city, from attracting top talent at a level to compete with other franchises.

  81. fastfreddy, 29 June, 2014

    Nobody should have a NTC. That’s ridiculous for both players and teams.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  82. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    I’ve chosen not to identify him. Although this is a closed community, you’d be surprised at the number of people who view this blog. In any event, my point was less about the person and more about the comment. I believe it speaks to the fact that PK is a very polarizing personality, in addition to hockey player. So, although I haven’t lost any sleep over the issue, I’d venture a guess that I’d sleep even sounder if this file was closed.

    In closing, although I’d readily admit that I have an active imagination, I do not fabricate stories for your, or anyone else’s benefit. There is a great deal of inside information I’ll never post, for fear of exposing a friend. That’s a decision I made very early, and it’s a premise I’ll identify with so long as I continue to post. When I share a name, it’s because I can with zero fear of reprisal.

    Cheers, CJ

  83. DipsyDoodler, 29 June, 2014

    Sam Gagner. $4.8M/year. 37 points last year.

    Moving. Forward.

  84. marv1840, 29 June, 2014

    Charlie, you are right that PK Is irreplaceable and it does not matter how much it costs MB to have him. Believe me, if the club does not sign PK, ticket sales for the upcoming season will not be robust and fans will be clamoring for Molson to fire MB. The Habs have absolutely no choice but to have PK on the roster next season.

  85. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    In short, a CFL player would know nothing of hockey, but everything with the dynamic of a professional dressing room. Further, folks are connected, so although (as noted), I have no reason to place additional stock in his comments this morning, my point was simply to illustrate that I hear both good and bad about PK. Again, to further clarify my point, I’ll be somewhat relieved when this file is closed and PK is either locked up long term or traded (not my desired outcome).

  86. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Two more years…. Terrible contract in relation to point production. Kinda like Gionta or Briere…..

  87. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    The Oilers made a huge mistake by not leaving Gagner in junior for another year or two, they rushed him. Not the 1st mistake they made like that.

  88. UKRAINIANhab, 29 June, 2014

    I wonder what we could get in a trade for PK?

    Obviously, thats not what I want but just throwin it out there :)

  89. habs_54321, 29 June, 2014

    emelin+plex for yakupov. maybe plex+gorges+pick but not sure edmonton will do that

  90. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Agreed. Maybe this is a stretch, but perhaps Gagne and SK74 were overvalued, the result of coming from a very strong London Knights organization. Gagner, IMO, never reached his potential. 8 point game aside, he’s never amounted to much. Of course a change of scenery and a connection with Stamkos could change that, but it’s been all sizzle and no steak thus far.

  91. chilli, 29 June, 2014

    Your CFL golf buddy is 100% correct that some don’t like him – but they’d all take him as a teammate. He’s liked by some and disliked by others – kinda like life.
    These are only boys/men playing a sport and very competitive at that – – but PK is not hated. Some of our greatest stars in sports have been hated… but that was because of their drive to win. Kobe, Michael, Tiger, St. Patrick to name 4. And I know a few that don’t like Crosby.

    But any player would take any of those 4 as a teammate in a heartbeat.


  92. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    The Oilers wouldn’t (shouldn’t) do that deal, and neither should Montreal. I don’t want Yak anywhere near this organization.

  93. Mattyleg, 29 June, 2014

    Ay-ya-yai… What’s the deal with Mickey Ribs? Is he boozing it up again??

  94. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    More if another organization initiated the trade and less if he’s shopped by Montreal. We couldn’t land MacKinnon, but maybe a combination of roster player, pick and number one prospect.

    All hypothetical of course. I don’t think it goes down that road….

  95. Harditya, 29 June, 2014

    After a solid post-season production by Rene Bourque (and Eller, but I want to focus on #17) – is everyone willing to forget how he did in the regular season and give him one more chance? We as fans decided it’s best to let Gionta and Vanek walk due to their disappointing post season performances, but can Rene even help us get there in the first place? Doesn’t seem like it, because it looks like he will be playing outside of top 6 again. This is what the line-up could possibly look like in October:
    Do we move a center this offseason to let Chucky play in the middle and THEN give Bourque a chance to fit into top 6? Or can we expect that move in the 2015-16 season? The offense looks dry to be honest. The only guaranteed 20+ goal scorers here are MaxPac, Gallagher, Plekanec and just maybe – Galchenyuk if he begins to breakout. So coming back to #17. Do we accept the fact we will be worse than last year and trade him while his stock is high? It might be a case of overthinking, but there seem to be a lot of question marks at the moment.

  96. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    I didn’t mention this, and only because I constantly bash the guy, but his comments regarding Erik Karlsson were much more pointy stick.

    On an aside, good post. I agree with your points. Cheers, CJ

  97. habs_54321, 29 June, 2014

    why? because he slid to center ice after scoring a goal? because of the questionable defensive commitment? he needs to be on a team that can provide him direction and leadership right now he is a boy without a father figure markov can be that for him he will also have a comrad in galchenyuk.

    as for edmonton the deal benefits them even more now with gagner gone they have a major gaping hole at center especially ones who can play 200 feet,

  98. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    DD and Pleks are your 1 and 2 centres? Sorry mate, that’s not a recipe for playoff success.

  99. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    Yakupov is not the bad attitude some make him out to be. He’s a good kid but has some growing up to do. No way the Oilers give up on him now unless they can make a great deal.

  100. habstrinifan, 29 June, 2014

    I know an ex CFL(Canadian Federal Liberal) member who said that Trudeau (any Trudeau) is/was not well liked in the room.

    Give it some thought! It’s not as far fetched an analogy as it may at first appear.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  101. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    No, because I don’t see a fit. Nothing to do with any sort of theatrics. I just don’t like the asset. There is better value elsewhere.

  102. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    There is no Twitter or Facebook conditions Rob. Only name and e-mail. That’s it ! :)

    Ignore any Twitter/Facebook options.

  103. Harditya, 29 June, 2014

    Hey CJ, this is not my ideal line-up, nothing close to it. I am trying to put it the way Therrien might see it, based on what we saw this season. If it were up to me Galchenyuk would be playing center.

  104. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Some of Us would like to watch the game Marv :)

  105. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Trini, are you on Twitter. If so, can You twit Me ?

    …err, I know that sounds ‘suggestive’, but can Ya ? :)

  106. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    There is no question that Yakupov has great talent and could easily be a top 6 player on the Habs. Yes, he has some maturing to do as he is still young and needs to learn to play both ends of the ice but in the right environment he could be great. I would take him if the price is right but again I would be shocked if the Oilers gave up on him this quickly.

  107. habstrinifan, 29 June, 2014

    Thanks! There have been a few responses to the petition which have left me awestruck.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  108. habstrinifan, 29 June, 2014

    My apologies… I am not on Twitter.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  109. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Just one Dumbo so far. He messaged twice.

    Idiots here ! …Idiots there ! …Idiots everywhere ! …unfortunately

    We have to invent a bug-spray for them :)

  110. Habitant in Surrey, 29 June, 2014

    Don’t apologize, You won’t be excommunicated :)

  111. WhatUp, 29 June, 2014

    Gagner traded to Phoenix – anyone know what TB gets?

  112. Harditya, 29 June, 2014

    New show to be aired “No one likes Gagner”

  113. ProHabs, 29 June, 2014

    Top 6 looks like Smurfville again.

  114. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    You and me both. You are likely correct though. If DD and Pleks are on the opening night roster, they are very likely our number 1 and 2 centres.

  115. WhatUp, 29 June, 2014

    or “Hot potato” – just like when we were kids

  116. AH, 29 June, 2014

    @CJ re: your conversation with the ex CFL player below about PK; I so hope he is wrong because I’m a big fan of PK’s, but I can see how PK could rub guys the wrong way, he’s like that co- worker every has, or has had who is always bubbly, happy, and nice to everyone, including yourself, but for some reason you can’t stand them.

    As for him being an ex-CFL and not NHL guy, I agree with you that the Pro Sports world is tight and people are connected and talk, etc. this reminds me of a similar situation I had a few years back, like you I was playing golf with an ex Eskimo during our awful Danny Maciocca years, he told me some things about his hiring, the Organization, etc. that of course I never knew, and a short time later he was gone. Now this ex – player was from their teams in the 70s, and had been living and working in California for years, but he still knew what was going on.

    Regardless, I can’t see the Habs not locking up PK….but then again they said Gretzky would never be traded. :)

  117. Harditya, 29 June, 2014

    Hahaha I like that one

  118. Phil C, 29 June, 2014

    good idea. Demanding a trade with a no trade clause is BS. I can respect the Thornton situation, but not the Spezza situation.

  119. dr. schmutzdeker, 29 June, 2014


  120. eric, 29 June, 2014

    Build the team that will beat the team in the west. Building a team to win the east is not the answer. Build the team to beat the team from the west. Size and filth.

  121. UKRAINIANhab, 29 June, 2014

    Well Kobe and Tiger are disliked for other things as well.

  122. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Great post. Thank you for sharing.

    I see some make light of my comments, which is one of the reasons I don’t share a quarter of the insight I have. When I do, I’m questioned, or ridiculed. I’m not sensitive, but I often find myself defending a comment more often then discussing the merit.

    Secondly, as you have noted, I’d never doubt the fraternity that follows professional athletes. Mike Sutherland, an ex CFL friend knows more about the current goings on then many in the game today. Mind you, that speaks to the man, who is both extremely personable and intelligent. The gentlemen I golfed with today was not Sutherland.

    Lastly, I’ve met more people, and gathered more intelligence at the golf course then anywhere else. It’s a breeding ground for rumours and information sharing. Finally, in Ottawa, everyone seems to know everyone else. As I’ve said before, it’s three degrees of separation here, not six.

  123. dr. schmutzdeker, 29 June, 2014

    Filth equals grit/toughness/character…fans will need uber patience.

  124. ProHabs, 29 June, 2014

    Just build a team to beat the Bruins on the ice and in the alleys. I love beating those guys.

  125. habstrinifan, 29 June, 2014

    If an offer for Bourque comes from a team whose compensation reaches levels which indicate that they value him as a player whose “stock is high”, then TAKE IT TAKE IT TAKE IT!

    It takes only a general review of Bourque’s career to understand why you do it without undue fear.
    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  126. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Gagner and BJ Crombeen to the Yotes for a 6th round pick. Major salary purge for basically nothing (except the vacant cap space).

  127. ProHabs, 29 June, 2014

    Holy cow. They gave those guys away.

  128. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    CJ, I enjoy your posts, well thought out and articulate. I agree with you almost all the time but not all the time. The world would be awfully boring if people agreed on everything. I do think you are being a little too sensitive here.

  129. Phil C, 29 June, 2014

    So it ends up being Purcell for a 6th round pick? Wow, I thought he would have more value than that. He would look great on a third line with Eller and Bourque.

  130. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    No doubt. How does Sam Gagner feel right now. Traded for a 6th round pick after being drafted 6th overall. Welcome to the world where cap space is everything. Stevie Y must be planning a big move or he is up tight against the ceiling.

  131. dr. schmutzdeker, 29 June, 2014

    Sorry to say P-Habs but should be smurflike still. (Kinda)

  132. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    Fair enough. I just get tired of defending myself. You are probably right though. One last drink, then off to bed. Cheers, CJ

  133. ProHabs, 29 June, 2014

    Must be the result of the Callaghan signing. For sure Gagner’s self esteem just took a kick to the nats.

  134. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    And there’s the kicker… Tampa had to retain a third of Gagner’s salary.

  135. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    The Callahan signing was not well managed, but Tampa couldn’t afford to have him walk away. Of course, in a salary cap world you also can’t afford to pay a guy just less then $6 million for 6 years, who’s not even a 40 point player.

    It’s just a bad cycle. Bad contract, buy out or salary dump. Vincent Lecaviler anyone? Rinse and repeat…..

  136. CJ, 29 June, 2014

    I’m reading that Del Zotto is not being qualified by the Predators, making him a free agent. This could get interesting…..

  137. habstrinifan, 29 June, 2014

    If you refer to my post as one making light of your comment then you are wrong. I believe your report. I even believe that that party had some sort of anecdotal knowledge which he used to make contextual conversation.

    The term contextual conversation is significant here. You are playing golf. A name/topic is mentioned and in the context of your relationship (jockworld) this person answers the implied intrigue with apochryphal embellishment of what may be considered a canonical truth….in any group dynamic there is uneven acceptance of the individuals constituting that group.

    And since you are in Ottawa (I think) I drew an immediate comparison of dynamics which the political group ‘Liberals’ had with one of its more recognizable and notable members.

    I could write an essay on the similarity.

    I was not making fun. I was pointing out the wry irony of it all.

    End of lecture!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  138. Bill J, 29 June, 2014

    Hosted by Jaro Halak.

    Go Habs Go!

  139. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    Wow, he has fallen a long way. It wasn’t that long ago he was considered one of the bright young defence prospects in the NHL, now not even a qualifying offer.

  140. 416erHabsFan, 29 June, 2014

    Thank you for the help. Done!

  141. Timo, 29 June, 2014

    He is clearly in need of Michael Therrien’s Personal Development Program.

  142. Timo, 29 June, 2014

    Maybe the players that “don;t like” him are the bums like DD and Pacioretty that do not bring it when it counts. I can see how PK is not everyone’s cup of tea but who gives a sh!t since he is the Habs best player and no one on this team is close enough to tie his shoes.

  143. HabFan in Edmonton, 29 June, 2014

    I am sure someone here knows the answer to this. Just checking capgeek and wondered why Chris Pronger’s salary of 4.9 million still counts against the Flyer’s cap even though he can no longer play.
    Seems like the Flyer like to throw money around, some ridiculous salaries on their book.

  144. Timo, 29 June, 2014

    HiS… what happens after the petition hits 1000 signatures? Are you sending it to Rogers or to the media… Boone?

  145. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 3m
    Tampa sends Nate Thompson to Anaheim for 4th and 7th in 2015.

    Wow Steve Yzerman is on a roll clearing all this cap space. Vanek to TB?

  146. FormalWare, 30 June, 2014

    In poker parlance, he’ll be the Big Stack, come Tuesday.

    WWSD (What Would SubbieDoo?)

  147. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Francis Bouillon.

  148. rogieshan, 30 June, 2014

    I’m beating on an old horse, but what Yzerman did tonight is exactly what Bob Gainey should have done with the Scott Gomez deal. The Rangers had to dump salary to sign Gabrorik at the time, yet Gainey offered Sather full-value compensation in the trade. I still can’t get over it.

  149. Garbo, 30 June, 2014

    Because he was over 35 when he stopped playing?

  150. HabFan in Edmonton, 30 June, 2014

    It still bothers me. It would be like giving up Nathan Beaulieu to get Vinnie Lecavalier now when in fact the Flyers would probably be happy to just give up Vinnie for nothing to get that contract off their hands. I am not sure Gainey fully comprehended how important cap space is.

  151. HabFan in Edmonton, 30 June, 2014

    That makes sense. Thanks

  152. ooder, 30 June, 2014

    You mean the same gm who said that he wasn’t sure how his team would turn out and he was just trying things, completely blundered a deal.?! Ya I’m shocked heh.

  153. Habitant in Surrey, 30 June, 2014

    We will follow up with presentations to government, media and, of course, Rogers

    Boone is on His yacht in Monaco’s harbour at the moment. Roger’s is the last thing He is thinking of.

  154. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    Anybody is following the Lebron James saga? Apparently he opted out of his option year in Miami, along with Wade and Bosh, to help the Heat have a manageable salary cap. In pther word, the three players are using a loophole in the current agreement between the owners and the player association to lower their current salary in order for the team to stop paying a luxury tax and allow for other big signing.

    Not sure how I feel about that, but it must feel great for Miami Heat fans. I was thinking how nice it would be in a few years if Subban, Price and Paccioretty would get together and do something similar.

  155. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    That is true for the nyr, but what about the canadiens?. Plekanec just came out of an horrendous year (39 points, 0 in the playoffs), koivu was leaving, Lang had a career ending surgury. The next center in line was Maxim Lapierre.

    Gomez was great in NJ, then was the top scoring center in the two seasons he played in new york.

    I asked myself if Collberg end up being a first line forward will the Vanek trade will be seens as bad as the Gomez trade. The answer is probably no. Because the perception is the market value of vanek was higher than what was paid, the exact opposite of the perception of Gomez.

    However, the need is also different, MB was not in dire need of a forward like BG was pf a center. The rags had the upper hand.

  156. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    Over 35 when he signed his contract.

  157. haloracer18, 30 June, 2014

    I assume that MB knows what he’s doing, even though even the best make mistakes sometimes. But if I’m MB, I’m going to sign Subban last. Get everyone back from last year if possible, you don’t want to change the chemistry of the team too much if it has had success. Signing Subban at over $6.7m is obviously an error in judgment. Because the compensation at that level is 2 first round picks and then some, which is too high a price for any team for Subban. If it’s too high for other teams, it should be too high for MB too. Thus, I would offer him, once the entire team is assembled for next year, $5-6m on a 5+ year contract. He’ll take it. He would be stupid not too, and become an Eric Lindros and hold out for more money.

  158. Habitant in Surrey, 30 June, 2014

    More than 500 people showed up today at Vancouver General Hospital to show their support for Gino Odjick

    He is certainly a favourite in Vancouver.

  159. Habitant in Surrey, 30 June, 2014

    Before I sign-off for the night, I will leave the most recent 10 good Habs’ Fans to post Their support protesting Roger’s blacking-out of Habs’ games on RDS west of Quebec.

    The tally is now 923. Need 77 tomorrow to reach 1000. :)

    Mark Nutbrown
    just now

    Norman MacKay
    just now

    Devin Dalep
    just now

    Rob M
    just now

    Emile Gagnon
    13 minutes ago

    James Schultz
    20 minutes ago

    Darrell Gauchier
    21 minutes ago

    Nancy King
    27 minutes ago

    M. Courtland
    38 minutes ago

    Peter Halliday
    54 minutes ago


    Protest Roger’s Blackout of Habs’ Games On RDS West Of Quebec !

    Please read the Roger’s Petition, & sign if You support the cause, at:


  160. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Your argument is interesting, yet you omitted a HUGE option for Subban and that is Player Elected Arbitration – a right Subban did not have during the last negotiation.
    Simply put, Subban can outright refuse ANY offer put on the table by the Habs and take the team to Arbitration. The team can choose either a 1 or 2 year term.

    With this process, Subban is guaranteed in the area of $ 7.5M – the Arbitration award won by Shea Weber back in 2011 with a lower Salary Cap.

    The worst part of Arbitration for the Habs would be that Subban would become a UFA in 2 summers.

    In reality, this time around Subban holds the hammer

  161. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    As for a team unwilling tp pay RFA compensation, here is the category:
    Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st round Picks, 2nd, 3rd

    Take Buffalo as an example.
    Next year, they have 3 First round picks and 2 Second round picks.
    With all the talent in their pipeline, they would most probably be willing to sacrifice that for a 7 year committment on Subban.

    Yes, next year is the McDavid sweepstakes, yet that is a long time away and with the lottery, Buffalo is not 100% guaranteed that pick

    Of course Montreal would have to match a hostile offer, but that could also put the Habs into Cap stress

  162. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I wouldn’t sweat it, CJ. That has been the knock on P.K. since junior: great player, articulate and charming to the media, but he rubs a LOT of players the wrong way.

    Many Habs fans want to gloss over the fact that Subban’s rare personality, that of supreme braggadocio on the ice and a craving of the spotlight, is exactly the same one that has irked teammates and opposing players alike since the beginning of professional sports.

    Cristiano Ronaldo and Neymar have it in soccer, and are frequently mocked for it. Deion Sanders had it in American football. Rajon Rondo has it in spades in the NBA, as does Kobe Bryant. All are legendary players in their own sport, so I doubt Subban is worried. But most of those guys have stepped on a lot of friendly toes while jumping up and down to get the attention of a camera.

  163. Habfan10912, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning all. The Wild will be players come tomorrow.


  164. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning Jim

  165. Habfan10912, 30 June, 2014

    @CJ re: your Subban post from last night.

    My first reaction was to poo poo your post (respectfully) as another one of those “my brother coached his youngest brother in midgets and he says…. post”, that we see here every so often here on HIO. But on further review it got me thinking about things.

    There probably are people in the locker room who SHOULD not appreciate PK. Some other posters mentioned names out there but I won’t but what if there are players who do not work as hard at their trade as PK, or perform as well as PK, who are as approachable to the fans and press as PK? Kind of being forced to look in the mirror everyday and be reminded of your own shortcomings.

    The last thing I’ll add is this team NEVER played like there was a rift in the locker room. If anything it now appears that Carey Price, whom is very tight with PK, seems to be the real leader of this team. That would tend to go a long way in keeping the anti PK crowd, if any, at a minimum.

    PK is a flamboyant, hard working, approachable, likable star athlete and may be a target for those that don’t work as hard, are not approachable and behave like your spoiled rotten athlete of today. Again, I won’t name names because I’m not in the room but if PK is disliked by those guys, I say good. Get rid of them!

    CHeers bud and thanks for sharing that story.

  166. Habfan10912, 30 June, 2014

    Looks like the Rags and Bruins may have been caught with their pants down. Phone calls to Gainey have set records.


  167. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning

    Tomorrow is the start of UFA (and hostile RFA Offer Sheets)

    An excellent source of who is available – by position, age, and past contract is at Cap Geek.

    EX: DMen available:

    And especially Right wing – a definite Habs weakness with or without Gionta (Gallagher-Weise)

    As for the Habs chances – or even willingness to get into the fray, the expecatations are very low from here.
    There are many competitors, and the Habs have historically not been on the radar screen of the top guns.

    When looking at these lists, it may be best to work from the bottom up.

  168. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    So, Yzerman cleared cap space making a couple of trades so he can sign a right handed defenceman. Could it be Gilbert, who is already playing in Florida, or is he targeting Niskanen?

    If Bergevin has thoughts of signing one too, he will face stiff competition to get one!

    Right now, with Boston having cap issues, I would like to see Bergevin sign Iginla for two seasons and go for Gilbert. If he does plan on Trading Gorges, also a left who can be the 7th/8th defenceman. I wouldn’t mind seeing Brian Boyle in a Habs uniform too. That would probably man the end of White. Although, wouldn’t it be nice to have Galchenyuk, Eller, Boyle and White at centre?


  169. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning MR,

    Nice read! I am not sure players would not want to come to Montreal now. With how well they have done the past two seasons, the stability, and I would not over look Bergevin himself. He is proving to be an astute general manager that treats players well and communicates honestly. When he decides to share! With a couple of free agents and a couple of prospects stepping in next season, they can make a strong push in the playoffs again. That is not to say they will be true contenders, but they will be a better team than last season. In my opinion.


  170. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning Jim.

    Thank you for sharing. I agree. Not trying to stir the pot further, but having watched the 24CH segments, I got the impression that Gionta and PK may not have been overly chummy. If Gionta has trouble with PK, then, as you said, dump the Captain and move on. So far as I can tell, PK connects with the younger players on the team, which is all I care about anyway. The one old warhorse, Markov, seems to connect with 76, so nothing else really matters. Please appreciate, this is purely speculative. I’ve heard things, from various sources, but I can’t confirm anything myself.

    Again, just to clarify, my central point was really so long as the PK file remains open, we are likely to hear these types of comments. Personally, I will feel much better when an extension is signed sealed and delivered. My only concern, which is the same of any player, is dollar and term. Although, when it comes to elite players like PK, nothing is unreasonable I suppose.

    Cheers, CJ

  171. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    “Work from the bottom up”

    Optimistic bugger aren’t you!

  172. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Hi 17

    Even with that mini purge, Tampa only has $7.9M left and only 10 forwards signed counting Drouin and Kucherov.

    It looks like they will go with the D they have as they recently added Jason Garrison.
    Then again, if Ohland remains on LTIR, (and the rules are complex) that could potentially free up some of his $3.6 Cap Hit if they go over the Cap


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  174. 24 Cups, 30 June, 2014

    So the biggest loser in the NHL right now has to be Teddy Purcell. The only way things could be worse would be if he went to Winnipeg instead of Edmonton. I assume there are no ocean beaches, sunsets or bikini babes in either of these Canadian cities.

    24 Cups

  175. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    EOTP has done nice articles on “getting to know” each of the new Hab prospects. Certainly worth a read.

  176. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    That makes no snese with all due respect. On the Open Market, Subban would get more than $7 million. A team like Buffalo that has stock piled picks and has cap space could offer $8 million for 7 years. There are no certainties of drafting a player like Subban in the first round. The odds go up the higher your draft position, but Subban is a sure thing. Then teams would give up 4 first round picks and Buffalo with what they have could afford it!


  177. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Barring trades or ‘player disposal’..once (IF) PK and Eller get signed, that won’t leave a lot left – somewhere around $6M…and the Habs would still only have 6 Dmen signed including Beaulieu and Tinordi

  178. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    There is a lot to be said about sunsets over the frozen prairie.

    They usually involve swear words so I’ll abstain ;)

  179. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Hi Ireland

    Not to worry. You weren’t alone

  180. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Yes, we are potentially looking at status quo for next season. Am still awaiting RFA qualifying offer confirmations.

  181. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Hey MR,
    I was going by what was written on TSN about the trade. Yzerman may still have a couple of moves in the works to clear more space or he figures some prospects will make the team next season.

    As you mentioned, perhaps he already knows Ohland won’t be able to play, or at least start the season.

    It should be an interesting two days!


  182. Cal, 30 June, 2014

    The site should be called EUTA (I’ll leave you to figure that out).

  183. Loop_Garoo, 30 June, 2014

    6.7 million seems like an arbitrary number to me. I don’t think there is any chance that Subban signs a 6 million 5 year contract, he would be leaving $22 million dollars on the table compared to a $7.5 million 7 year contract, cannot see why he would even consider that. I think he gets 8×8, will be a lot for next year but if the cap keeps rising, in a couple of years it will be a good deal and a great contract in years 6,7,8 when we have a 30 year old D-man at his prime.

  184. JohnInTruro, 30 June, 2014

    I agree with that Gionta PK rift. I also feel watching Gorges around Subban that there seems to be a rift. Watch when PK scores a goal Gorges seems to shun him or not appreciate his excitement. One that sticks out the most is the out of the box breakaway goal on Rask. He’s never happy when PK scores.

  185. 24 Cups, 30 June, 2014

    Frank – I posted this for the benefit of Gerald. I’m sure he’ll respond at some point in time. As for me, I’m off to the links. 29 degrees and sunny all day long!

    24 Cups

  186. Cal, 30 June, 2014

    Watch that bird, Dunby!

  187. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Good morning folks.

    It might just be me, but the more I read the headline, “Habs Subban already in gym training for next season,” the more I dislike it. IMO, every player, either those who played in the NHL last season, or whom aspires to join the fraternity this year, is in the gym training. It’s the equivalent of posting that Tiger Woods is on the driving range preparing for the next tournament.

    Anyway, just something that’s stuck with me. It must be the hot weather that’s got me irritable lol.

  188. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Good point regarding Gorges. I’ve noticed the same. Any coincidence that both could be exited this week? I don’t think so…..

  189. Loop_Garoo, 30 June, 2014

    I would prefer to trade Bourque while he is tradeable, unless the playoffs really turned his confidence and desire back on. Bourque has been the type of player that can put a team on his back and carry you to some wins from time to time. If he can play half his time next season like he played in the playoffs, score 20 goals, then he is very valuable.

    As for the centres in your list, I think we would be far better off ditching DD and signing Stasney. DD’s contract is not as untradeable as some on here believe, and his cap hit for the points he brings is actually quite good. You are not going to get a ton for DD, but a good prospect or draft pick would be pretty easy.

  190. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Thanks Habfab! I did read a few of the “getting to know” posts. I am confused when they talk about Lernout. The writer says he thinks when choosing a project player on defence, they should choose on that is a puck carrying defenceman. The Habs have puck moving defencemen n the system in Bennett, Nygren and Beaulieu. Pateryn is not bad and Dietz is a balanced defenceman, What they lack, is a tough as nails defender which is what Lernout is. Paired with Bennett for instance, they would give the Habs a strong 3rd pairing.

    Potentially in the future

    Tinordi, Subban
    Beaulieu, Pateryn/Dietz
    Bennett, Lernout/Thrower

    Looks pretty balanced!


  191. Loop_Garoo, 30 June, 2014

    You are right it is a bad contract but he is a talented hard working kid, still surprised Tampa could not get a bit more for him. Maybe a bit biased as I know his dad, but I always liked Gagner as a player.

  192. Ian Cobb, 30 June, 2014

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    We think this date will be sweater retirement night for Guy.

    Summit ticket price pending a call to me from the Bell Center. They are not sure if this is going to be an optimum game or not.

    I will let you know when to order by sending your money order’s to me. They will confirm our group price for this game in about a week or so.

    Do not book your flights until the Bell Center confirms to me. I will let you know right here.

    I can have as many tickets as we need, but you will have a very small window of time in which to send me your money order’s before the Bell Center puts them out to the general public at regular price.
    So act quickly once I let you know the price.
    It should be another great time for all HIO members again!

  193. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Jim – CJ,

    The only folks that really know what’s going on in The Room are the players themselves.

    When you get a group of 20-25 guys together that practically live together for 8 months, stuff is going to happen.

    These are all confident athletes with egos, different personalities, and backgrounds – and in many cases, huge cultural differences.

    Some are married with children-some are single-some starting their careers-some finishing-some making big bucks-others not so much.

    For all these reasons, off-ice clicks happen all the time.

    What’s important is what goes on…On The Ice.
    It’s all about RESPECT for your mates and your team.

    A player earns his respect by first-his play on the ice, and secondly, his conduct off the ice…and negatively, if it affects the team as a whole (too much partying as an example)

    Work hard-don’t cheat…and especially don’t make another player look bad or put him in a vulnerable position.
    If a player does that, he will be Respected.
    Being “Liked” is a bonus, and cannot be forced on others.

  194. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    What is that?
    A bowel movement monitoring device for your iPhone?

  195. Captain aHab, 30 June, 2014

    I think it’s just you CJ…I doubt Subban was contacting media to tell them to do this write-up. Subban is clearly one of the faces of the Habs and reporters need to fill columns….

    I think Subban will be signed long term very very soon. Habs need to stop trading quality players because they have a non-vanilla personality.

    Prepare to be boarded!!

  196. Captain aHab, 30 June, 2014

    All the players hated Scotty Bowman but loved winning with him.

    Prepare to be boarded!!

  197. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    Agree completely but that`s HIO for you ! Just taking sides without saying openly…Today, if you get to training camp with a beer belly you just do not have a job ! Used to be such a typical and almost laughable scene at the end of summer time when the player would get to the camp with his cigarette and overweight…Times did change.

  198. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    A metaphor for life.
    Who says lessons in hockey can only apply to hockey.
    Good morning Ron.
    Who’s working out in God’s country today?

  199. ont fan, 30 June, 2014

    If you have played in a sport with elite players, you know everyone isn’t chummy with each other. There are always small groups, but when you get on the playing field that all goes away, if you are a winning team. Winning will bring you together rather quickly.

  200. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    I mostly hate when someone not from the actual room comments on what is happening, former players ,media personnalities or 24 ch or whatever. You have to be in a player`s room in the moment to know the feeling and the general mood. That being said you cannot expect everyone to like everyone. That`s the thruth about every team about every familly. You do not choose those people you have to live with so you have to make the best of it.
    It`s the same here in HIO `s room , some like some players some don`t. Some like some chatters , some don`t.

  201. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    I remember Lemieux saying that his notion of training was to stop putting ketchup on his fries two weeks before camp started.

    You’re right though, so much has changed. Many athletes now have nutritionists. I know a number of guys who make their offseason home in Ottawa use Tony Greco and his lean and fit studio.

  202. Thurston, 30 June, 2014

    More on the Gorges front:

    Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 3m
    TOR still hoping MTL D Josh Gorges will waive modified NTC to allow trade to TOR. If so, it’s believed MTL would get roster player from TOR.

  203. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Just to clarify, I am not suggesting that the article is PK’s doing. I agree, the vacuum needs to be filled with information, and the articles pertaining to PK are all well done. It’s just the headline that sticks like a thorn in my paw, if only because it’s stating the obvious.

  204. Thurston, 30 June, 2014

    Dan Boyle on Habs’ radar?

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 1m
    Dan Boyle will have multiple offers tomorrow on a 2 yr deal. TB, Tor, Det, NYR and Mtl believed to be his top 5. #TSN

  205. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    Moderated already?
    Wow! That didn’t take long….
    Somebody is sensitive on this fine Monday morning.
    Good day all!

  206. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    As long as it is not Phaneuf.

  207. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Hard to see him get traded within the division, let alone Toronto. MB wouldn’t make that move as much as Toronto inquires for him. Unless that ‘roster player’ is JVR haha

  208. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    ” I got the impression that Gionta and PK may not have been overly chummy”……


    I daresay that this observation was valid several years ago. Check out the Gomez-P.K-Gionta’s interraction after P.K’s admittedly outlandish (but rookie) celebration. Gionta’s captaincy has gone thru that improperly handled issue; the Cammallieri/Lapierre/JM post captaincy stuff; Gomez’s pathetic on ice apathy; and most recently an inability to contribute with a veteran’s captain’s persuasive imprint on the Plekanec-Vanek-Gionta line incompatability ..so obviously alluded to by Vanek.

    Two other items which speak loud are the Markov-Price item which the captain Gionta publicly lied and said ‘never happened’… only to be definitively contradicted by both Price’s and Markov’s later recall of the incidents. There were many ways Gionta could have kept dressing room confidentiality (other than by lieing and saying never happened) ONLY to have later revelations by the parties involved bear him out to be an irrelevant voice… at the very least on that issue.

    The other was Therrien’s description of Gionta “crying in his arms” during the Ottawa series(see Therrien’s post series press conferences then) and Gionta himself saying to the press, months later’, “never happened”.

    Showed me that our captain DOES NOT have the comprehension or engagement skills needed to be a uniting, much less inspiring force, when disagreements arise.

    All of these items, the evidentiary actions and statements from which I draw my conclusions are all available in the public sphere. None was gleaned from a ‘friend’.

    If Gionta’s unbridled approval is the criterion on which MB bases his contract negotiation with P.K.. my advice to P.K would be to tell MB in no uncertain terms F.U!

    In his role of captain, Gionta, in any group dynamics I can recall, Gionta has proven himself to be neither mentor nor leader; peacenik nor firebrand; but a head in the sand Neville Chamberlain.

    I expect the vigour of condemnation from the many Gionta apologists here. But I challenge you to research the issues I detailed and explain the actions/inaction of your captain.

    Ah for a captain like Henri Richard!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  209. Habitforming, 30 June, 2014

    I think to see Gorges go to Toronto, it would have to be a situation that the Leafs overpay.

  210. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey’d On ®, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges for Kadri… would you do it?

  211. franco, 30 June, 2014

    You wouldn’t take Phaneuf?

    He would actually fit in, for Montreal, except for the big contract.

    If he was around 4 million for another 3 years he would be a steal.

    He plays big minutes against the best forwards.

  212. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    I don’t like Kadri, he is a bit like Marchand! He has a lot of “courage” when he has his big boys on the ice to hide behind. If he would stick to using his skill and talent I would do it, other wise, no! Plus he is a centre and the Habs do not need another centre right now, unless they are trading Pleks and DD.


  213. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    That would be a steal for us but.. another center? There’s already a logjam. Pleks, DD, Eller, Chucky..

  214. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  215. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    No, not Phaneuf. Cody Franson. He is a righty and the Habs have enough lefties. Not to mention if they were to take Phaneuf, how could MB justify anything less than $8 million for Subban?


  216. Habitforming, 30 June, 2014


    Anytime you get the best player in a trade you do it. It doesn’t matter if he is the 10th LW or C on your team, you do it.

    As the Oilers/Tampa did, you can always move bodies around for cap issues.

  217. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Don’t you think that one of Kadri’s ‘problems’ is that he does not play like a centre. Which may be a good thing in the habs lineup. Kadri=younger Vanek maybe.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  218. huge_polar_bear, 30 June, 2014

    I would guess that if the Habs trade Georges, it is to make room for Pateryn/Tinordi/Beaulieu

    So if that is the case, we would get a forward from Toronto and probably sign the dream Weaver as a 5-6 D. Maybe we are getting nastier, Colton Orr or getting talent in Kadri (everyone else on the Leafs has no trades clauses and since the news that came out only mentions Georges and his no trade, makes you wonder)

  219. franco, 30 June, 2014

    A metaphor for hockey.

    Who says lessons in ‘life’ can only apply to life.

    Lessons in life can be applied to hockey.

    Sometimes you lie and put on a good face on something.

    Sometimes you cheat a little, and hope to get away with it.

    Sometimes you complain for no good reason.

    Sometimes you hate some people for good reason.

    Sometimes you hate some people for no good reason.

    You hate showboats, especially if they can back it up.

    You wish you could do what they do so effortlessly.

    This could go on all day so I will just say ‘happy trails, until we meet again…..Roy and Dale.

  220. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    On a two year deal, perhaps not a bad move! Paired with Emelin. I think I would rather see Gilbert though!


  221. huge_polar_bear, 30 June, 2014

    What if Toronto eats a part of the stupid salary, say we get him for a 4 million cap hit? I would do that deal…

  222. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    If he can and would play left wing, perhaps. He also needs to cut out the dirty crap! I don’t see the Leafs trading Kadri straight up for Gorges though!


  223. Prop, 30 June, 2014

    Uugh… I hate the fact that Gorges could go to Toronto.


  224. Habitforming, 30 June, 2014


    Everyone worried about signing Markov to a three year deal, and yet have NO ISSUES with signing a 39 year old for 2 years at a min of $5M ?

  225. franco, 30 June, 2014

    When you think about it, it is not possible to get along with everyone and expect to have character and integrity.

    Some people rub you the wrong way.

    They may be conceited, loud, insulting, mean.

    They may speak their mind, and the truth may hurt.

    So complicated, to deal with loud mouth bullies and high five them when the public is watching

  226. Habfan10912, 30 June, 2014

    Solid points Ron. Can’t dissgree.

  227. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014


    Man oh man! The laffs are so persistent to get Gorges, they will do everything, even wreck their core lineup to get him. Who’s going to be the dude open for the trade? Joffrey Lupul…???

  228. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    No Kadri! Guy’s got some swagger in his attitude, doesn’t look good if he’s here with Subban.

  229. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    If HABS is as ‘noble’ a culture as we make them out to be then the ‘dirty crap’ will be eliminated .. gradually. I think he will play glady on the wing. And I agree… if Toronto even hints at a 1 for 1 deal…. you snap it up.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  230. franco, 30 June, 2014

    Fluff stories, are just that ‘fluff stories.

    Subban is everywhere, most of the rest of the players are far, far away.

    Subban is available, he never tires of reporters apparently, good for him.

    Reporter says ‘what ya doing for the summer, and P.K. says “hey I am working out, while the contract is being worked on….needs my signature and I have the pen in my pocket, can’t go to far.

    Instant story…..”hey chief” I have a Subban fluff piece, about 300 words…..lets get a picture and go with it. Things are dead in Montreal and the Canadiens are always good to sell a few copies.

    Team mates texting each other…..Hey, guess what Subban is at it again….ha ha. guy never quits.


  231. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Who said at $5 million/season? Did I miss something? at $2.5 million maybe! I still like Gilbert better, Younger and can play in the 2nd pairing.


  232. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    If the Leafs add Josh Gorges, after already obtaining Roman Polak, their defence looks a lot better.

  233. kerrgte, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges, at 29, has 4 more years of $3.9mill / yr of cap hit.

    He gave no more value than Weaver who was about $1 mill.

    Gorges has had his chance. He’s done nothing to improve his offensive game, and his overall value to the team.

    Gorges has to go – ANYWHERE

  234. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    No way, it still causes more problems than it solves. We diss Pahneuf all season, He is too slow, he is dirty, he can’t keep up, he won’t drop them unless it is with smaller guys, etc…. Why would the Habs want him? Bring him in and neither Tinordi or Beaulieu are making the team with Markov and Emelin already on the left side.
    Emelin would drop to the 3rd pair.


  235. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Yzerman is dismantling his team. Not necessarily a bad idea. They were really not very good except for their keeper.

    Moving. Forward.

  236. SmartDog, 30 June, 2014

    Yah but it says above the he just signed a 6 year contract!


    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  237. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    What Mckenzie stated, it will be a roster player.

  238. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges isn’t the kind of player/talent I would worry about trading to a division rival. He’ll play hard for them, give them everything, maybe even inspire them to play harder as a group, but there’s only so much there for Gorges to give.

    He might block even more shots when we play the Leafs, yeah big deal!

  239. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    So, I’m hoping Gionta is jettisoned. Goodbye and good riddance so far as I’m concerned.

  240. alfieturcotte, 30 June, 2014

    Just have a hunch he is not undergoing the same rigorous training as our unsigned restricted free agent.

  241. arya13, 30 June, 2014

    What do you think our chances are to land Iginla? He’s looking for a two + year deal, probably in the range of 5 – 7 million.

    I think he would be perfect for two years, worth maybe doing three. Fills a hole perfectly for us.

  242. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    If there will be a trade coming soon, I wish the Habs could get from TOR either JVR or Bozak + a 2nd or 3rd round pick for 2015 draft, take or leave.

    The Leafs should be ready to give up a high-end player if they want the services of Josh Gorges. I don’t think its fair to trade a mediocre like a Phaneuf or a Kadri to come here.

  243. alfieturcotte, 30 June, 2014

    The general consensus on the Markov signing is that it is too much for too long. No trolling, just regular opinion. Markov is no longer a top 1/2 D and given his knees and inability to keep up at times, it is only natural to view 3/$18MM as excessive.

    I’ve not read you at all, but know why. Nothing you write stands out as worthy to remember….

  244. huge_polar_bear, 30 June, 2014

    I would love to see that happen, but I read that Vancouver is going after him hard and I think he liked his time in Boston (and I thin they will want to re-sign him).

  245. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    My only concern is that in order to move Gorges, we are going to need to accept a player with dollar and term. That’s the salary cap era. So, if it’s a roster player, who fits that description? Gleason, Lupol? I don’t know. I stand by my comment that one of Markov, Gorges or Emelin will be moved. It looks like Gorges could be the odd man out. I only hope Price is ok with it…..

  246. SmartDog, 30 June, 2014

    A couple of thoughts this morning:

    On Marc Bergevin’s drafting:
    I know people are not thrilled about the Brett Lernout pick, but Bergevin has picked up 3 guys in Lernout, McCarron, and Tinordi, aimed at making the Habs a bigger, tougher team. All 3 have good skating for their size and some other ability – McCarron a nose for the net, Lernout a mean streak, Tinordi an inhuman reach. You may not agree with all that MB does, but every GM has to gamble. If you don’t gamble at all you don’t win. You draft the same type of player over and over. But you need a mix and Bergevin is taking care of that. The one thing we’re most in need of now is scoring wingers. So what did he take with his first pick? A big, skilled, scoring winger. I have to say, whatever happens I think he’s making good decisions. And we could be a very tough team in 2-3 years because of them.

    On PK:
    PK has hinted that there is something interesting and maybe unexpected going on in his negotiations. What do you think this could be? PK wants a full 8-year term and the Habs don’t? The Habs want full term and PK wants short? It’s curious. And most people would say the latter, but I say the former. PK has said he wants to be a Hab and stay a Hab and I think if he says it, it’s true. It will be interesting to find out when the dust settles. What do you think?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  247. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    The only player in your post that could possibly come this way for Gorges is Bozak. All the other players you mentioned are a class or two above Gorges.

  248. huge_polar_bear, 30 June, 2014

    Yes I agree, the more I think about it the more I think it may be a forward coming back to make room on our D-Corps for some new blood.

  249. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    wishful thinking, but JVR has a Pacioretty-like contract. Young 30 goal scorers with a 4 M cap hit are not acquired by giving Josh Gorges lol. Can’t lie, but it would very awkward.. or it’s awkward to see any former Hab player in a Leafs jersey.

  250. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014


    Speaking of Spezza, I see him landing in St. Louis. Dallas has some cash to acquire a trade but St. Louis has some talent in their lineup to make this happen.

    It looks like more news will happen before July 1st comes.

  251. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Good post Smartdog, hate to nitpick but Tinordi and Beaulieu were Pierre Gauthier picks.

  252. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Nobody should care about his offensive game. He’s a defensive defenceman.

  253. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    Man, I wish it will be a core player and its Bozak. Also, if no draft for the trade, they should include either Rielly or Polak.

  254. marv1840, 30 June, 2014

    Unlike NHL hockey, especially in the playoffs when fourth line players can outshine the top lines on the team, NBA basketball is very much dependent on top stars like James who can win games on his ability alone, and there is no parity in NBA basketball, which for me makes the NHL vastly superior for excitement compared to the NBA. So James knows that he and a few other NBA players are dominant enough to win the NBA championships, so they can forge an agreement to create a dynasty. The NHL in my opinion is not dependent on only the stars (like Crosby and Ovechkin) to win Stanley Cup and there is so much uncertainly with exciting overtime playoff games that no 2 or 3 NHL players can forge an arrangent to play together and guarantee a Stamley Cup dynasty.

  255. JohnInTruro, 30 June, 2014

    Don’t think Bergy drafted Tinordi, but I’m not upset about these picks. Not thrilled about McCarron but not upset. Hopefully he becomes a serviceable 3rd liner. Lernout? 3rd round pick not that big of a deal if he doesn’t pan out. They obviously saw something they wanted there.

  256. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Why? Unless you think Gorges will transfer valuable intelligence on Price and our defensive schemes that might allow the Leafs to win the season series against us, Gorges really has little else he can hurt the Habs with.

  257. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    ” PK has said he wants to be a Hab and stay a Hab and I think if he says it, it’s true.”

    PK has also said that it will be a business decision if he leaves. And I think he means that too.

    Let’s get rid of our rose coloured glasses here.

    Not everyone on the HABS team will be excited or think P.K deserves a huge contract.

    Not everyone in HABS management think that P.K deserves a huge contract.

    P.K’S contract wont be easy. And it shouldnt mean that P.K is a villain.

    We should all be ready to move on if needs be. There is too much evidence to ignore clues that this will be a fight which could end WELL or BADLY.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  258. JohnInTruro, 30 June, 2014

    A guy named Stamkos is pretty good.

  259. ElMcFoldo, 30 June, 2014

    1. They should be making an offer to Brian Boyle, not Dan. He is a beast of a man who can win draws, kill penalties and has decent hands.

    2. Then we can flip Plekanec for a solid RHD to clear up the logjam at center.

    3. I doubt Gorges would ever waive his NTC to go to Toronto, but it would be great to move his cap hit and bring in a bigger, righty on D so Emelin can go back to his natural side.

  260. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Before the Habs acquired Tomas Vanek they were a good, tight, team that played steady defence. With help from an outstanding goaltender named Carey Price backing them up. When they acquired Vanek the went from a good team to a very good team with a lethal offense. He faded in the playoffs for whatever reason.

    If Habs management wants to regain the form they had after the trade deadline last year they must add another scoring winger.

    If it’s via trading Josh Gorges or signing a big UFA, they need to get something done. otherwise we’re a middle of the pack team.

  261. JohnInTruro, 30 June, 2014

    MTL is apparently courting Boyle as well for 2 years as per Dreger.

  262. SmartDog, 30 June, 2014

    I agree with your post. I’m sure he’s not universally loved but PK is entitled to what he can get. The Habs won the first battle, and Therrien’s treatment of him (and 4 year contract extension) is something that rightly might hinder an easy deal. I can’t imagine a Norris trophy winner on another team being reminded over and over that he has a lot to learn.

    If PK goes, good for him but I think it will be because they low-balled him. And I’m sure we’ll get a great return. But like everyone here (I think) I prefer he stays.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  263. SmartDog, 30 June, 2014

    Right, thx.

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  264. Bill J, 30 June, 2014

    Technically (but doesn’t apply in this case)

    MaxPacioretty was acquired along with Gorges from San Jose for Craig Rivet (a Josh Gorges mold player)

    Go Habs Go!

  265. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    Hola Amigos! Yesterday posters dissing Andi Petrillo and today some of you want The Princess Pylon from the Laffs? The Cops snuffing Bripro?! Its got to be the Heat. Keep your Fluids up amigos! Plenty of Fluids and Smoke”em if you Got”em.Saludos!

  266. Psycho29, 30 June, 2014

    Pierre LeBrun‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun·2 mins

    Still some 8-10 teams on Vanek radar. Minnesota among them but as noted last week, not interested in long term deal.
    Told that Vanek is not put off by that, still likes Min as an option. But may also get huge offer elsewhere Tuesday so he’ll have to decide

  267. Bill J, 30 June, 2014

    He’s not dismantling it, he’s preparing it for PK Subban (a childhood friend of Stamkos) and Jonathan Drouin. Add in Hedman and Bishop as key components… That team would be deadly, if I’m a Tampa fan I’m drooling at this idea right now.

    Offer sheets are coming, more and more likely.

    Go Habs Go!

  268. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Only question I have is the ‘hint’ of regular season excellence which the phrase “faded in the playoffs” imply.

    For whatever reason, the acquisition of Vanek didnt make us as “lethal offense” as it should have. If we blame it all on Vanek we may be miissing adjustments which we must make after filing the void he left.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  269. Bill J, 30 June, 2014

    Not all fans look at the game that way…

    They must all be Crosby, Subban or Price.

    Go Habs Go!

  270. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    I am just asking so please no anger.
    I do not think Toronto is proposing a straight Gorges-Kadri deal.. if McKenzie’s rumours are correct.

    NOTE: I would be absolutely elated if they are and we do it.

    So if it is not a straight one for one deal.. what if it is for example an ELLER-GORGES deal for Kadri+.

    I am very fearful re Eller. I love his potential.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  271. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Well then I take my previous statement back haha

  272. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014


    Markov has a full NTC this year
    Emelin has a full NTC for the next 2 years
    Gorges has a limited NTC

  273. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Lots of talk here about Subban breaking the bank, I am not overly concerned with it ($7.5 or $8 mil per is fair). MB put himself in this position (though one understands what his thinking was), but he needs to put up now. Unless he’d rather trade his star defenseman.

    We could have had Subban at $5 mil for eternity, but MB thought he needed to be convinced. All PK did was go out and win the Norris Trophy. He led the teams in points for most of this season, and was the Habs’ brightest star in the playoffs, going into RFA status. He’s eligible for arbitration and holds the cards.

    I have to tell you, I don’t expect Subban to give the team a discount. I would not leave money on the table, if I were in his position. That Norris Trophy year could have gone in the opposite direction for him (head injuries, broken leg, major dips in performance or whatever) and MB would have been in a position to say, ‘well, I dodged a bullet’. Now the opposite happened, just deal with it.

  274. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    WOW! Very active mind you have. I am not saying you are wrong. Just wow!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  275. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Rielly?? Just tell us you’re not serious so we can move on…

    No way Gorges could land Rielly (can’t believe I’m writing this).

  276. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Technically, that’s not true either.

    Rivet (+ 5th) was traded for Gorges and a draft pick. ;)

  277. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Yes, with Markov extended and Emelin’s contract terms, it looks like Gorges is being shopped.

  278. Hstands4Hockey, 30 June, 2014

    What would Habs do with Kadri? Why would Leas trade him for Gorges? Doesn’t make any sense.

    Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

  279. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    I think MB should listen to Gionta. After all Gionta knows a pleyer’s worth isnt always shown on the ice.

    We have so many players whose worth aren’t always shone on the ice.

    rotest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  280. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    I am just commenting on Bob McKenzie’s tweets. And HABS could do lots with Kadri.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  281. Habfan10912, 30 June, 2014

    The law picking on Bripro again? Oh boy.

  282. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    McKenzie mentioned Kadri?

    Yeah, agreed. The Habs would take Kadri, then figure it out from there. No Lupul, SVP.

  283. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    What would HABS do with Kadri? Beulah! Anybody!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  284. doug19, 30 June, 2014

    I believe Tampa Bays trade with Sam Gagner frees up money for a Vanek to go with a Stamkos.

  285. songles, 30 June, 2014

    You think Subban would have accepted a long-term deal at $5 million per year? Subban took a short-term, short-changed deal knowing that it was in his best interest. He went out and won the Norris and became the most dynamic, money making franchise defenseman in the league. Bergevin has to pay the guy now, but he knew that going in. He got his “proof”, and now he’ll pay fair market price, and P.K. will be the face of this franchise for 10 years. In the meantime, we’ve got Pacioretty on the cheap, so in a sense it evens out anyway.

  286. habs001, 30 June, 2014

    Why the best league in the world cannot have the best players available for each roster spot is frustrating..The cap basically tells scouts draft well but no too well as eventually you will not be able to keep all your picks..

  287. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Mea culpa! I think the Kadri name came up in many responses as to who will be coming back for Gorges. My bad!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  288. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    I’d take Kadri for Gorges and run for my life even with nobody chasing me. Gorges is Mike Weaver, plus the ra-ra. Leafs would be overestimating him big time, if they do that trade.

    We could definitely use Kadri’s talent, and we’d instantly see him as less than evil once he plays for us, because Habs brass would talk to/work with him and our own perspective would change too.

  289. Puck Bard, 30 June, 2014

    Referring to the last article linked above: What are the behavioral issues with Ribeiro? I was not aware of this, even when he was a Hab. Thx

  290. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    Go MB! Trade Gorges!

    Richard R

  291. naweed235, 30 June, 2014

    Is Emelin’s natural position not on the left side? I think he’s been pushed to play the right side in order to be paired with Markov. If that’s the case, I think he would greatly benefit from playing on the left where he is more comfortable and having enough time to heal from that knee surgery, he will be a difference maker this season.
    So then, is it crazy for MT to try a pairing consisting of him and PK?

    Emelinator – PK
    Markov – Weaver
    Beaulieu – Tinner

  292. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    From what I understand, PK was never offered a long-term deal. The decision to go ‘bridge’ was MB’s alone, which led to the hold-out apparently.

    Now I could be wrong (so please someone help me here), but I believe the decision was based on team’s philosophy that we do bridge with young players, and no exception was going to be made for Subban, as none was made for Price.

  293. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    The Habs should try to sign Christian Erhoff.

    He’s a very good d-man, and he can QB the powerplay and play on the penalty kill.

    Yes, he had a bad year, but it was on the worst team in hockey.

    Moving. Forward.

  294. RetroMikey, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges is being bullied by the Habs to waive his no trade cause and be traded to Toronto.
    Habs want to clear some cap space on D and sign Weaver, Bouiliion and Subban if they trade Josh.
    If I were Gorges, I’d say “stick it up your a## Habs brass, I’m not going anywhere!”
    Very unprofessional move if the Habs were to trade Gorges. who in my opinion, should be the next Captain for the team.

    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  295. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Too many variables to know what the Habs plan on doing with the D corps. It looks like they’re trying to replace Gorges with Boyle. Less term for Boyle than Gorges.

    The forward re-org is more straightforward. Here’s my wishlist*:
    1. move Briere, buyout if necessary
    2. sign RW – Iggy (Vrbata)
    3. sign 4th line C – Goc (Moore, Boyle, McClement)

    * my wishlist is longer, but I’ve omitted the “ain’t gonna happen” moves and left only the “probably not gonna happen” moves.

  296. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges could go to Cucamonga for all I care. Give my regards to Bugs Bunny when you get there, Josh.

    Richard R

  297. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    I gotta ask. Why do you think Gorges should be the next Captain?

  298. Slackman, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges for Phil the Thrill straight up.

    “A Gypsy mutant industrial vacuum cleaner dances about a mysterious night time camp fire. Festoons. Dozens of imported castanets, clutched by the horrible suction of its heavy duty hose, waving with marginal erotic abandon in the midnight autumn air.”

  299. Habitforming, 30 June, 2014

    Do you really think Dan Boyle is going to sign anywhere for $2.5M?

    You’re way out of touch on this one.

  300. fastfreddy, 30 June, 2014

    @RETRO, I’m okay with Gorges not waving his NTC, I understand it, but please, he’s not my captain, as a matter of fact, he’s probably #4-5 D man. If I’m MB, I’d try to find a trade partner Gorges would like and do it.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  301. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    One good thing to come out of all this Gorges trade chatter is that we know this won’t happen:
    “should be the next Captain for the team.”

    Any who…. glad you’re here to tell us which trades would be “unprofessional” and which ones would not. Hopefully the Habs’ brass are reading (butt not sitting down).

  302. Hstands4Hockey, 30 June, 2014

    Good luck with that, they can still trade him to 15 other teams.

    Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!

  303. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    ’cause he’s a Leafs fan.

    Moving. Forward.

  304. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    I would take Cube over Josh any day.

    Richard R

  305. RetroMikey, 30 June, 2014

    Leadership, no question!
    “We will win the Cup one day only with ? in the nets “

  306. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    Score more goals.

    Richard R

  307. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    Housley? Mickelson? Silvers?

    Richard R

  308. mrhabby, 30 June, 2014

    They signed Emelin to long term and he has been playing his wrong side forever. Emelin has to get on his correct side sooner than later so thats one of the small but important reasons for the chatter about moving out Gorges. I for one cringed when Gorges was back there..getting battered around like a beach ball. I know he has lots of heart but something has to give. The Habs are trying to improve there d its not unprofessional at all.

  309. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    I just had a terrible thought.

    What if the roster player we are getting for Gorges is … gulp … David Clarkson?

    Moving. Forward.

  310. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Too many bidders, probably. Same with Niskanen.

    If MB goes the FA route for a D man, i think it will be a short term deal.

    Alternatively, they could make a trade where they would pay a younger guy less – say, Gardiner?

  311. mrhabby, 30 June, 2014

    franzen or lupul..

  312. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    or Phaneuf!! or Lupul!!!

    There is much to fear from the Leafs.

  313. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges to the Leafs for a roster player? I cannot figure out who that roster player would be, but I don’t imagine it is anyone with name value.

    I’ve gotta think Gorges getting traded just clears the way for the signing of others. Part P.K., part whoever they sign to fill the gap (i.e. Robidas or some such player).

    I see others talking about Ehrhoff or Boyle, but the former would probably demand too much term (considering MTL’s youngsters are coming along), and the latter would probably demand too much coin (especially with P.K. and Eller still to sign).

  314. mrhabby, 30 June, 2014

    lots of peeps thought Komi was captian material and looked what happened to him.

  315. kalevine, 30 June, 2014

    The D has to get more physical and more able to handle those big forwards on the opposing teams. Gorges plays his heart out but he’s like another smurf out there when the opponents cycle in the Habs zone ad infinitum. I know he’s 6’1 etc but he seems to play pretty small, and he’s not worth 3.9M to Habs. At the same time there are teams that could use his responsible play, especially if paired with a big, more offensive minded (which is pretty much everyone) partner. They might have somebody Habs could use in exchange. Fingers crossed

  316. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    What is the source for the rumor that Habs want to trade Gorges to Toronto?

  317. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Bob McKenzie. It’s a legit source.

  318. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges is 6″1 minus about an 1-1.5 inches. Also, Subban isn’t 6″0 he’s about 5″11 1/2. Shorter players always exaggerate their height by about an inch. Gallagher isn’t quite 5″9, Gionta isn’t quite 5″7, Plekanec isn’t quite 5″10, Emelin isn’t 6″2 etc…

  319. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Leadership? When did ability to ra-ra while being killed on the forechecks become leadership?

    There’s a minimum level of talent and smarts you need on the ice to be able to say to others, come and follow me. How do you do that when you’re near the bottom of the talent pool on your team?

  320. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    I just can’t see Habs management trading him there

  321. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Untradeable contract

    His Cap Hit is $5.25M for the next 6 years…but the worst part is how it’s structured

    Salary & Bonus:
    14:15: $4.75M
    15-16: $5.5M
    16-17: $7M
    17-18: $7M
    Then 2 more years for combined $8M

  322. B, 30 June, 2014

    The Cap has gone up 7.31% (from $64.3M to $69M) since Meehan got Doughty to hold out for $7M per on an 8 year deal in 11/12. If Subban deserves Doughty money, then the rate has now gone up to $7M * 1.0731 = $7.5117M per on a long term deal. That’s $60.0936M on an 8 year deal.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  323. Strummer, 30 June, 2014

    That’s the long and the short of it!

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  324. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges has become a #4-5 Swing man on D
    He has no offense, lacks foot speed, yet has value on the PK.

    In today’s NHL world, if a Dman has no offense, he had better be big and strong.
    Gorges value today in the NHL is $2M -$2.M Cap hit maximum.

    Some teams may wish to have his experience where their D is young or needs some leadership.
    They could overpay

  325. JF, 30 June, 2014

    According to Eric Engels, Gionta is almost certainly gone. Engels also talks about the possibility of trading Gorges and re-signing Weaver:


  326. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    more or less

  327. Strummer, 30 June, 2014

    If the Leafs kept some salary/cap hit, it wouldn’t be a bad deal.
    Clarkson can’t be as bad as he was last year for the rest of his career.
    Got off to a bad start in Leafland and couldn’t recover , maybe a new postal code would sort him out.

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  328. juniorsfarm, 30 June, 2014

    You assume wrong! Plenty of beaches and babes here on Lake Winnipeg, Gimli and Lake Manitoba. John Ferguson lived here for years. Serge Savard loved his time in Winnipeg as well as Danny Geoffrion. Do not make comments in you don’t know what you are talking about. I am a Habs fan in Manitoba since the ’60s.

  329. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Could be Franson, but that could be a pack of $$$ problems as he is RFA with Arbitration Rights

  330. adamkennelly, 30 June, 2014

    the problem with Gorges is he costs too much cash for what he brings. He is really no more productive or effective than Weaver at 2.5x the price.

    not physical at all, zero offense, no size, no toughness…so he blocks shots..

    nothing against him – but moving him will make our D better.

    if you look at Leafs roster – they have NO ONE of interest who is signed for next year…so – can’t imagine who they are talking about getting back in return.

  331. Adidess, 30 June, 2014


    Gorges is not a star people! He’s almost a third pairing guy, good at one thing (blocking shots). He used to score by accident, not anymore.

  332. DAVE. N, 30 June, 2014

    Does any one expect a team like the Sabres, so much below the Cap floor, to make an over the top offer to an RFA, that will not or cannot be matched? They have a lot of draft picks in 2015 to play with…Also, do they make a play for Briere, and bring the prodigal son home for a year of marketing value?

    Save the planet. Compost a Leaf.

  333. B, 30 June, 2014

    Weren’t a lot of folks here fantasizing about picking up Clarkson about a year ago? Now, not so much.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  334. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    It would be bye-bye Gionta and good luck!

  335. L Elle, 30 June, 2014

    I’m a Gorges fan. But, I am all for making the “difficult” trades to improve our team.

    We complain that we are not contenders, and how long we have to wait for another Cup, but don’t want to give up anything good to get back something, even better for the team.

    If someone really really wants Gorges, then good-bye and good luck, except against our Habs.

  336. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    He’s been a key leader on Habs for the past few seasons. You think they want to trade him to their (possibly) biggest rival? I’m not saying it’s impossible but if I were Bergevin I’d much prefer trading him out of the division

  337. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    The player that Toronto is probably offering is Lupol. A RW signed for 4 more years that could be helpful if he’s healthy. Whatever you think of Gorges, he would never accept a trade to To. He’s not a traitor like Komisarek.

  338. DAVE. N, 30 June, 2014

    Colorado would be a good place for Gorges to land. They would definitely love the shot blocking he brings, as would most teams. When all is said and done, if Gorges leaves, that will be the part of his game that the Habs will miss most .

    Save the planet. Compost a Leaf.

  339. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    I’m all for them signing Weaver if they can get him for reasonable money. I’d bet he’s looking for a raise on the $1.5 he made last year, and probably looking for a 3 year term, so the question is how far MB is willing to go. He’d be a great partner/mentor for either of Tinordi or Beaulieu, but it doesn’t solve who plays with PK on the top pairing.

  340. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    If the sword people extend an offer sheet to the RFA we shall not mention.. then they wont need Briere for market value. So they could pursue cheaper and younger scoring.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  341. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Komi signed as a UFA
    back in 2009, the deal was 5 years/$22.5M
    Habs bullet dodged

  342. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    You just wrecked my week!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  343. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    I guess it could be a situation similar to Edmonton-Tampa-Arizona. A swap of players, then forward that player on for a pick.

    Then again, it could all amount to nothing and we’ll see Gorges in the bleu-blanc-rouge come September….

  344. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Sorry Chelios, I fail to see how trading Gorges to Toronto would hurt us.

    What would he do? Give away the book on Price and the defence and try to block more shots when he plays against us at the risk of deflecting one in on his goalie. These are the only two possibilities really…

  345. DAVE. N, 30 June, 2014

    I didn’t mention the RFA name…signed the petition though!. Was thinking that the Sabres need to reach the cap floor in some manner. Can any one figure out what that team is doing? They and the Ottawa organizations seem to be in meltdown.

    Save the planet. Compost a Leaf.

  346. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    I liked that sentence ‘he used to score by accident’. Must have been a deflection.

    Richard R

  347. haloracer18, 30 June, 2014

    Ok, I just read the CBA articles concerning salary arbitration. Apparently teams are allowed to use other players around the league as comparables in a player salary arbitration case, however these are already known by June 5 because they are chosen by the NHL before that date. If Victor Hedman is on the list, then I really believe Subban is worth less than him. I would certainly want Hedman on my team ahead of Subban. If he’s only getting $4m/ season, then Subban should not make more than that. But I would still offer $5-6.5m/ season just because of the pressure to play in montreal, and he would probably take it.
    It’s pretty simple to me. If he doesn’t take the offer, trade him for Hedman. It’s kinda unfortunate that they would allow a player to handcuff a team by asking for arbitration just a few days before the deadline [July 5]. That doesn’t give a team much time to make an offer. It seems that the best case would be to make a final offer well in advance of the deadline, at least 6-12 months in advance. If he doesn’t take it, then use the time to find a good trade. This is a major blunder by MB if he has to pay a defenseman of Subban’s caliber over $5-6m/year. That’s what happens when you’re asleep at the switch. They should know that he’s not really a restricted free agent because of the possibility of salary arbitration, he’s really unrestricted. MB could have gotten two NHL players easily in return for Subban and his 4 power play goals. It’s obvious to me, any player getting close to the maximum needs to be able to score, which means needs to be a forward. There are plenty of good defensmen who do a good job on defense, it’s not that rare to find. MB should trade him right now. Let another team break the bank for his 4 measly power play goals. For an 8m player I’m looking for 40+ goals per season.

  348. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Perhaps Doughty was underpaid at that time
    The NHL was also about to walk into the new CBA and unknown territory….the economy was in trouble (as it is today)…

  349. adamkennelly, 30 June, 2014

    you really think they are offering Lupul for Gorges – that is a huge price tag for a 3rd pairing D-man.

  350. twilighthours, 30 June, 2014

    “I would certainly want Hedman on my team ahead of Subban.”

    Couldn’t get past that part. Sorry.

  351. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Re McKenize and Gorges… he said that Toronto approached Montreal on the availability of Gorges. He never said Montreal was shopping Gorges around.

  352. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Lupal? He’s a walking injury. I’m all for shipping the Crazy Crease Crusader out for a RW, but FFS, not for a guy likely to play 50 games a year.

    While I’m on the subject of RW – big NO to Radim Vrbata. Not a player with a high ‘compete’ value, more like Vanek-light.

    If Gionta is gone, that leaves Gallagher and I guess Bourque on the right side before Weise. Something’s gotta be done and something I mean sign Iginla for his 2 years and work on shoring up that huge hole in the forward depth.

  353. kalevine, 30 June, 2014

    I do not exaggerate my height, I am taller than 3 or 4 of the Habs players and pretty much as tall as 2 or 3 others. Do they exaggerate their weight too? Cos if not they are all at least 35 lbs heavier than me. Where do I bulk up!!!

  354. kalevine, 30 June, 2014

    Now Subban is a 5’11# 1/2 who plays a lot bigger IMO

  355. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    I have a feeling the news aint gonna please you.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  356. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    Josh going to Hogtown? Isn’t everybody suppose to be going there? I’d take Bozak and Orr for him.

  357. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    So much to disagree with here (e.g. Hedman > Subban), I’ll just say thank you for your contribution…

  358. kalevine, 30 June, 2014

    what’s the latest on Scott Gomez’ career?
    Can’t say I’m sad he proved as useless to San Jose and FL as he did here

  359. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    BIG BIG BGAME TODAY! France vs Nigeria!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  360. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    That’s an interesting way to see it. Would I rather have Hedman at $4M than Subban at $8M? That’s a neat question. Subban is a rightly, which helps big time. But if you look at their age and production…. ho boy it’s not such a simple question.

  361. Strummer, 30 June, 2014

    It’s all about cap management and need.
    Leafs need experienced defensemen.
    Leafs would save $1.35 million in cap space.
    Lupul is expendable and Carlyle didn’t get along with him in Anaheim.

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  362. twilighthours, 30 June, 2014

    Did you miss this part? “If Victor Hedman is on the list, then I really believe Subban is worth less than him.”

  363. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    When Georges St-Pierre “retired”, that left a hole for Canada’s best athlete. Eugenie Bouchard is going to fill it if this keeps up.

  364. Strummer, 30 June, 2014

    I heard Gorges nixed it with his LTC

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  365. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    Maybe Vrbata could benefit from MT’s patented personal development program?

    Richard R

  366. stephen, 30 June, 2014

    Lots of scuttlebutt this morning, eh?

    If Gorges is indeed moved, whether Toronto (barf!) or otherwise, re-signing Weaver, or signing another defenceman of that ilk is paramount.

    As much as Gorges made an easy target for criticism by some for his defensive lacunae, he is of the warrior mould and would literally put his body on the line for the team.

    That’s one of the reasons I liked Weaver’s play last year, as he seemed to have the same character. The Subbans and Markovs of the world are brilliant, but the lunch-pail sort of guys are just as vital.

  367. The_Truth, 30 June, 2014

    Hedman is a very good young defenceman. He had more goals, points and better +/- than Subban this year, is 2 years younger and is better than Subban was at the same age.

    Subban is a good young player, but I find is overrated on this site as being the definite best Dman in the league. He isn’t, and there are some other young dmen who are at the same level or even better.

    Considering a Subban for Hedman deal is very reasonable and at Hedman’s cap hit, could even be favorable to the Habs.

  368. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    I don’t agree with that part of the post, but an interesting point was raised that people run to ignore. Hedman is bigger, younger, and capable of bringing the same level of offense *right now* that Subban brings.

    If I were MB I’d definitely be bringing this up as a comparable during negotiations as a counter point to the half-season-asterisk Norris Trophy.

    Not saying Hedman is better, but there’s a valid point in the post that we might consider along with dismissing the questionable stuff.

  369. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    I like to think the 4pm game is bigger! ;-)

    They are all big, and they have all been exciting. Can’t recall a World Cup so exciting in a long time.

    Some great story lines going on. Today is Europe vs. Africa with France and Germany representing Europe while Nigeria and Algeria represent Africa.

    Should again provide great excitement.

    France have looked unbelievable so far, all without Ribery as well.

  370. bwoar, 30 June, 2014


  371. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    Hello from sweltering Jacksonville. Hope everyone is doing well! I scanned some of the reaction to the draft and what not.
    I’m OK with our #1 pick and the rest of the guys. Nothing too controversial there.

    I’m OK trading Josh for the right return, but I’d rather not deal him to Toronto. If a one dimensional shot blocker is being sought after, I wonder if he is really one dimensional. Know what I mean?

    Anyways, off for lunch and the beach and some beers and some surf fishing and then beers probably…

  372. Strummer, 30 June, 2014

    Weaver made $1.1 million last year and the Habs were trying to retain him for the same dollars. Apparently he’s looking for $2 million a season on a new contract

    “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

  373. New, 30 June, 2014

    Tell you the truth, if you’re correct (…became the most dynamic, money making franchise defenseman in the league…) then Bergevin should trade Subban. The Canadiens don’t need money, they need Cups. Lots of teams with players who could win Cups need money.

    The Norris is voted on by the professional hockey writers. In 2014 PK Subban was tied for 14th on the list with one third place vote and one fifth place vote. (6 weighted points as opposed to Keiths 1033 weighted points, Doughty’s 284 weighted points, or Markov’s 3 weighted points.

  374. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    I died a little when Chile lost to Brazil.

  375. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Not much cooler here back home Luke, enjoy your time!


  376. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    Liked the article about McCarron, especially the bit about Lapointe going and checking in on him regularly. You invest in a 1st round pick, you want to make sure you are monitoring his development and getting him the help he needs to reach his full potential. Also was intrigued by the “be a key faceoff guy” comment. Not sure he’ll make it as a centre in the NHL, but if he did and became a 3rd line guy who can win key draws and check the hell out of the other team’s top guys, that’d by excellent.

  377. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Was really really hoping for a Chile win, they played their hearts out, that cross bar late in regulation was unbelievable.

  378. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    At this point Bergevin has to deal with the cap space he has and with the fact that he would not mind repeating what the team achieved last season. But since every opponent will try to get better he has to move also.

    I just hope that Bergevin is patient enough to let the offers come to him and act quickly if he has something interresting on the table. Last season only Diaz was traded and the rest stayed and created what we called the depth of the team. This season already we know that Murray,Parros and Vanek are not coming back. But also on the line are Gio,Bouillon ,White and who else ?
    I suppose we all agree that we could do withgout them somehow but what about what we get in return ?
    The picture is different this season and i just hope that we take advantage of what those guys achieved in the past season and get a fair value for them. We tend sooooo much to say that our players are good for nothing but i think that we should change attitude and wait for the right time, the right offer.

  379. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    PK should point out that DD pushed Hedman around in the playoffs.

  380. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    That would be awesome!

    It’s a shame, ’cause he’s the prototypical ‘soft Euro’. Lots of skills, not strong enough to win battles. Jan Bulis with more talent, or Tomas Vanek with less. Still puts up points but playoffs? Pulls a Houdini.

  381. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Kind of have to believe the sudden Gorges trade talk is to make room for Weaver, opens up cap room for PK and others.

    I don’t dislike Gorges, but did really like what Weaver brought to the ice.

  382. New, 30 June, 2014

    That is exactly what McKenzie wrote. That is not what people apparently wanted to hear.

  383. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Luke – Totally right and equally funny. Hedman has some ways to go in that department.

    The potential 4M difference in salary is a thinker, though, innit?

  384. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    Yah. And the post in the penalties. Plus Neymar doing his Douchey little Kadri-esque stutter pause shot and the Brazilian goalie leaving the line early …

    Man, I guess I was more into it than I thought I was!

  385. boing007, 30 June, 2014

    How about if he becomes as good as Eric Lindros?

    Richard R

  386. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    I have a feeling that whatever we lose in Gorges, a shot blocker who isn’t overly strong elsewhere, will be replaced by a larger (Beaulieu-Tinordi-Pateryn) defenceman who can move the puck more quickly and win more battles.

    So instead of seeing Gorges flailing around on the ice, scrambling for his life, the puck will be on someone’s stick and out of the zone instead.

    IMO, for what it’s worth. :-)

  387. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    Thanks man.

    It’s scorching, but I love it!

  388. tophab, 30 June, 2014

    idiot, hedman over subban?

  389. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    I still think we need to get tougher on the blueline. Murray out, OK, but Weaver is not the answer, and Josh “The Crease Cannonball” Gorges isn’t growing any larger. Pateryn? Maybe, hopefully. Too much uncertainty there.

    The bottom line seems to me that change is going to have to come from within, and from some savvy horsetrading. with luck, this will be the year Galchenyuk breaks out and that’d make a whopping difference. As far as him moving to centre, I’m resigned that it doesn’t need to happen immediately and we can always make a trade if and when. (Assuming injuries don’t make it impossible.)

  390. bwoar, 30 June, 2014


  391. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    For those who aren’t using Twitter:

    Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun 7m

    7-8 teams interested in UFA winger Radim Vrbata but Coyotes also remain in mix. Arizona and Vrbata camp should speak again before Tuesday.


    Would be a good replacement for Gionta for a few years.

  392. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    lol – Then they will have done a very good job with him. Lindros had some head issues (even aside from the concussions), but he was a pretty unique hockey player in his prime. Not too many guys 6’4″ 225 could skate and make plays like Lindros. McCarron is not in that company….

  393. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Hey bwoar, what did you think of that drafting of the touch Dman from Winnipeg? Love the fact the Habs are really starting to mine the Winnipeg products, lots of Hab fans in that city.

    I was out of touch all weekend and am only now seeing all the draft choices and reading up on them.

  394. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    It sure is.

    I’ve never been opposed to trading PK, but I don’t think Hedman would be one of the guys if do it for.
    I’d think about it, but in the end, I’d prefer Pk.

  395. neumann103, 30 June, 2014

    It’s funny. I have been a reader of HIO, for a number of years, for long enough that I still think of it as Habs Inside Out. I have varied from a lurker to a daily poster to a game thread follower. Often now I go some time before chiming in.

    But then you get such an elaborate, carefully thought out missing of the point as above. Bravo!

    Really one of the great values of HIO is the inclusiveness. Everybody is welcome to post. This is also a weakness: the wheat to chaff ratio.

    And I say this not as a slag on Hedman, who I have liked since his draft. I picked him as a Rookie in a hockey pool and have always thought the kid had what it took to be a better than average #1 NHL defenceman (eg Top 15 or better by definition almost).

    I also think that the question bwoar poses is an interesting one: “Is Hedman at $4M a better deal than Subban at $8M” but that appears most definitely not to be your point.

    This is not going to arbitration. Subban’s value is not determined by whether or not he scores 40 goals etc etc etc.

    Am going back to sleep now.

    “Et le but!”

  396. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Big game too. I am just basing on ‘style’. I think if they hold true to ‘style’ France-Nigeria will be great skill exhibition.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  397. Mattyleg, 30 June, 2014

    Hello from sweltering Montreal.
    Have fun at the beach.
    I’m jealous.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

  398. B, 30 June, 2014

    2014 Norris Trophy Voting Results:

    Player……………..Pts. (1st-2nd-3rd-4th-5th)
    Keith, CHI……..1.033 (68-35-17-7-2)
    Chara, BOS………667 (21-39-22-19-17)
    Weber, NSH……..638 (26-23-29-19-15)
    Suter, MIN……….351 (9-12-20-22-11)
    Pietrangelo, STL..304 (3-13-18-25-18)
    Doughty, LA……..284 (8-6-17-18-23)
    Karlsson, OTT……..70 (0-5-3-4-8)
    McDonagh, NYR…..53 (0-1-4-5-11)
    Hedman, TBL………42 (1-1-0-5-10)
    Giordano, CGY…….36 (1-0-2-3-7)

    –Go Habs Go!–

  399. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Not sure how concrete this rumor is or if Basu is just speculating…?

    Аrpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu 4m

    If #Leafs trade Kadri to get Gorges, they would be trading big offensive upside for a guy with loads of tough minutes on his body.


    The Habs would be robbing Toronto blind if that were to ever happen.

  400. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Are we now underrating our overrated players?

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  401. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    To be fair he didnt speculate…. least not based on your quote.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  402. tophab, 30 June, 2014

    gorges is a bum should not be in nhl. trade him anywhere.

  403. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    He cannot skate even close to well enough to be a centre in the NHL. I simply don’t get this push to turn him into a centre. His top speed is okay, but his acceleration and agility are way below average even in the OHL, let alone the NHL.

  404. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Pondering might have worked better :-).

  405. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    “Sabres qualifying offers: Ennis, Foligno, Luke Adam, Chad Ruhwedel, Matt Hackett. No offer to Jamie McBain or Connor Knapp. Maybe: Conacher.”

  406. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    I thought you would like that.

  407. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I’ve found this to be the opposite…one of the least interesting World Cups in a while, at least partially due to the obscenely imbalanced groups that were created.

  408. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I’m sorry, but Georges St-Pierre was never Canada’s best athlete. Excellent person, sure, and a great mixed-martial arts fighter. But I honestly believe that you have to compete more than twice in a year to earn the best athlete tag.

  409. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    So Qualifying Offers to RFA’s have to be made by 5 pm EST today. Not yesterday as I reported then (goggle is not always your friend). Ryan White told one of the press, that he had not received one yet as of 30 minutes ago.

  410. neumann103, 30 June, 2014

    Small point, Weaver only made 1.1M last year. $1.5M would be a raise. I expect he might get offers above that based on his late season and playoff showing.

    There are a whole bunch of balls in the air and what happens in the next 25 hours or so will be extremely interesting. I expect that Weaver is very much alive in potential Hab plans, depending on whether some other dominoes fall. If Gionta is really out it has to mean either he was asking too much, or the Habs are very confident that discussions they have had with some UFA winger are going to turn into a contract tomorrow.

    Both Gionta and Weaver are guys I would slightly overpay on 2 year deals given the attributes they bring – unless I had some better option lined up through FreeAgency or Trade.

    “Et le but!”

  411. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    You should be!

    Finding plenty of craft beers, lovely scenery and fresh seafood…

  412. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    Kadri is a punk, but a talented punk nonetheless. I’ve always been a fan of Gorges, but if the Leafs are dumb enough to trade Kadri for Gorges straight up, I won’t be complaining.

  413. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 30 June, 2014

    Correct … Luke also summed it well below.

    There is a group think developing, Gorges is now a third pairing guy, no offense, no foot speed, one dimensional shot blocker, with an albatross contract and easily replaceable in the market.

    In fact, he was 69th in TOI on a top ten team and the team struggled when he was out of the lineup.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  414. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    Cheers Luke!

  415. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    I can’t help but like it. If there’s a place to find tough guys who like to fight wearing skates, this would be it. (Or who just find fighting another pastime, frankly.) I know it’s a bit counter to a lot of opinions here but as you know, fighting isn’t really looked at as barbaric once you get West of Ottawa (heh.)

    Absolutely lots of Hab fans here, and not hard to find someone you know who’s somehow connected to the players too.

  416. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    I’d way rather have Gionta.

  417. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Leafs buy-out Tim Gleason and his 4 M cap hit. Making space for Gorges? haha

  418. CH Marshall, 30 June, 2014

    Doing nothing would actually be a good thing for Leafs. They manage to find ways to screw themselves for no reason.

  419. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Dont know how you would take this but you are in a very small minority .Reaction everywhere is justthe opposite.

    Now the seeding imbalance complaint is something many have.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  420. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    He never, ever was a viable #4. People are now starting to wake up to it though, which is nice.

  421. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    We know you don’t like him Chris because the Habs drafted him partly because of his size and his physicality ahead of being an offensive weapon right out of the gate. He isn’t European or he wasn’t high on your list to be drafted last year. Part of his job will be to fight and intimidate and that’s not to your liking.

    He’s a work in progress and I think he’s going to make a lot of people like yourself eat their words by the end of the OHL season this year. He’s going to play a more prominent role as I believe some of the Knights players will be moving on.

    He’s a massive individual and hasn’t grown into his frame yet, might take longer to develop, might spend a bit more time in the AHL, but will make his mark in a long and grueling playoff series for the Habs down the road.

    Bergevin just said in an interview that he envisions him being like a Bryan Bickell who is an extremely valuable player in the playoffs. Sorry you don’t like him because he’ll be making a large contribution to the Habs in a few years. I know you’d rather have seen a 5’9″ Swedish or Finnish player on the 3rd or 4th line but try not to ruin it for the rest of us.

  422. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Unless Tampa Bay is prepared to offer P.K. Subban an offer sheet with an average cap hit in excess of $8.5 million, they cannot offer him a contract.

    The compensation for a contract offer of $6.73 m to $8.41 m is two first-round picks, a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick. Since Tampa Bay does now own their 2nd round pick in the 2015 draft and you are not allowed to use picks acquired in trades, the only bid they could put in would be one that cost them their next 4 first round picks.

    Two reasons that won’t happen:

    1) They will not pay Subban more than Stamkos, who is signed to a $7.5 million cap hit.

    2) Yzerman will not give up 4 first round picks for Subban.

    For those keeping track: offer sheets below $8.5 million cannot come in from any of the following teams, who have traded their 2nd round picks in the 2015 draft:

    Los Angeles, New York Islanders, Philadelphia, Tampa Bay, Toronto

    The Islanders, New York Rangers, and St. Louis Blues don’t have their first round pick, so they can’t make any offer sheet on Subban.

  423. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Sounds like he’s thinking ‘out loud’.

    I hate, hate, hate Kadri. But if the Leafs are dumb enough to do something like that… take it with both hands.

  424. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    You missed the following tweet:

    To be clear I’m not saying #Leafs are trading Kadri to get Gorges, just hearing his name being discussed on here. It would make so sense.

  425. stephen, 30 June, 2014

    Indeed, although it’s hard to say how much of that perceived ‘punk-ness’ is due to his playing for the Leafs.

    One thing I’ve actually always begrudgingly appreciated about his game is his willingness to get involved physically.

    Still, it’s hard to believe the Leafs would part with him for a player of Gorges abilities, unless there were other parts involved, I suppose.

  426. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    I agree, but if he doesn’t improve his foot speed now he’ll be hard pressed to play in the NHL at any position, centre or otherwise.

    Timmins’ points out in the article that big guys take longer to grow into their bodies, and that is often true. If skating is the main thing holding him back, he’ll need to work on it a lot. Which is presumably what Lapointe is telling him and setting him up to do. Start practicing foot speed now, and then when the muscle catches up to the bone structure, he’s ready to take off. Brian Boyle is an example of a big guy who isn’t a great skater, but is effective at the centre position because he can get around and use his body effectively.

    If he tries to move to centre, it will put a damper on his offensive abilities since he won’t have the luxury of setting up around the net.

  427. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I don’t like him because I’ve watched him play about 15 games live.

    You? Because personally, I think you are talking out of your ass on this one.

    McCarron WAS drafted to be a tough physical player. You know what he couldn’t do last year as a centre? Work on being a tough, physical player. Part of that was his shoulder injury, but the major problem he has is that his positioning is horrific. He can’t accelerate, so he spends his time on the ice swooping around the neutral zone to maintain his speed. That means that he is almost always too slow to get on the puck carrier to be physical.

    Your point about Bickell, however, is probably the one useful thing in your post. Bickell is a winger because he also does not have the speed to be a centre in the NHL. That is McCarron’s future. If he makes it, and he is a project that has a long path in front of him, it will be as a power forward that can be a physical presence on the boards and who can go to the front of the net.

    Asking a guy whose skating is suspect to try to shut down NHL-calibre centres is pointless. He won’t ever play that role. I can 100% guarantee it. So get him playing the role he is suited for instead.

    Personally, I think he will end up as a winger on Marner’s line next season in London, and the dearth of talented forwards should give him a chance to improve his production. He should see some power play time after getting almost none this season. He will get a chance to work on his positioning, his hitting (which was not even close to reasonable for his size), and his shooting.

    I haven’t written the kid off…I do think he will be like Bickell in many respects. If he makes it, it will be a long way off (Bickell didn’t become an NHL regular until age 24).

    And for the record, the “growing into his frame” argument does not apply to McCarron the way people keep talking up. Unlike Tinordi, who was a beanpole of about 200 pounds at 6’6″ when he came to the OHL, McCarron had already largely filled out his frame, entering the league at 6’5″ and 235 pounds. He is now listed at 6’6″ and 238 pounds.

  428. B, 30 June, 2014

    Perhaps Gleason was the roster player they were trying to dump on Montreal?

    –Go Habs Go!–

  429. habsfan0, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges has indicated he won’t accept a trade to ANY Canadian team.
    It’s kind of surprising that he won’t allow a trade to the Canucks, seeing that he’s from B.C.

  430. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    I would guess that was what was happening…gleason for Gorges as a straight swap.

  431. habsfan0, 30 June, 2014

    Kadri,like PK,has been a lifelong Habs fan.

  432. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    I always thought the rfa had to sign the offer sheet before it comes in effect. Is that true?

    If that’s the case, I’m not sure Mehan would suggest his client to do that. Bad PR move.

  433. dr. schmutzdeker, 30 June, 2014

    Looks as though Sunny Jim wants out of Loafland. (always liked him…even as a Leaf).

    Hopefully (for his sake and for the Jet’s sake) he’ll be going to Winnipeg.

    NHL rumors: James Reimer requests trade from Maple Leafs

  434. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    I think we need to get faster on the blue line. Faster physically and mentally.

    The Rangers beat us with speed.
    Moving. Forward.

  435. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Before I wrote my post I was well aware of your “self proclaimed” title of being the Junior hockey guru because you see the Guelph Storm play on a regular basis. You’ve seen him live, that’s great.

    I’ve seen many live junior hockey games, Oshawa Generals, Peterborough Petes and the Ottawa 67s. One thing I do know is that a player’s 1st year in junior is a big learning experience and every player is different. I’m quite sure his skating will be vastly improved heading into this season.

    He had a rough start to the season last year, felt the pressure, never got comfortable but played better in the 2nd half. The summer off will do him wonders.

    So again, we all know you were furious that McCarron was drafted because he’s going to be of the violent type and you want him to fail. Please be ready to admit you were wrong in the future.

  436. habsfan0, 30 June, 2014

    Sounds OK to me.
    But,I’m really not that much of a hockey player,honestly.

  437. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    All true, yet a team can re acquire its traded draft pick.

    Burke did that when he threatened to make an Offer Sheet for Phil Kessel before the eventual trade.

    If there is a will, there is a way…and no, Subban is not close to 4 first round picks

  438. dr. schmutzdeker, 30 June, 2014

    I hope they can find room for him. He does fit the mold as a good 4th line character player (physical, decent @ face-offs, gritty, good skater/forechecker, defend his mates, not afraid to drop ‘em)

  439. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    That’s not how I understand it. He had to give a list of 15 teams that he would accept to be traded to. That’s a bit different.

    It’s possible that every year he just list the teams that made the playoffs, minus the Canadiens.

  440. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Yes, then the team has 7 days to decide to match (exactly) every item of the contract or accept the compensation

  441. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Hey Burly – France have only beaten two very poor teams. They are not a contender in my opinion.

    Moving. Forward.

  442. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Leafs don’t have enough rah-rah in the room, that’s why they are gunning (presumably) for Gorges. Rah-rah costs a lot these days so they better be ready to pay.

  443. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    The thing that scares me with McCarron is that he didn’t come into the league skinny like most of the big, tall guys. He was 6’5″ and 235 pounds in training camp. I can’t see him adding much more to that frame…he was a man-child out there. It was ridiculous seeing him lined up to the 16-18 year old kids in the OHL.

    I’m not expecting McCarron for at least 5 years in the NHL. He may end up making it, and it would be awesome if he did. Nobody wants to see these kids not live up to their potential. He does show flashes of having good hands, but there is so much work for him to do that I have no idea what kind of player he will be when he finally arrives. His skating is obviously deficient, and that leads to his other greatest flaw, his abysmal positioning on the ice. He’s definitely got to work on his leg strength to build some acceleration, because he is very reluctant to do the start-stop skating that is pretty much a prerequisite of an high-level hockey player. Instead, he glides around in big arcs looking to maintain his speed.

  444. neumann103, 30 June, 2014

    But would Bergevin really have asked Gorges if he would accept Toronto if that was the deal being offered? Seems to me that if he was offered a pylon like Gleason for two more years at $4M cap hit each he just would have laughed.

    Gleason is a bad #7 who makes $4m. Gorges is an okay #4 who makes $3.9M.

    “Et le but!”

  445. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Bob McKenzie –
    Josh Gorges situation in MTL problematic for all. MTL had deal with TOR but Gorges refused to waive modified NTC to go to TOR. Still won’t. MTL appears to want to shed his salary/contract. Could trade him to 1 of 15 approved teams. Failing that, could put him on waivers. If it’s waivers, MTL gets no return but Gorges loses all control of where he ends up. Might spectre of waivers convince him to approve TOR? In any case, lots of moving parts involving a popular and respected player in MTL. Stay tuned on this one.

    WOW! Forget what I posted earlier.

  446. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    Can a team not ok the compensation if they are ok with the offer sheet? I would think the team having the player poached would be able to ok something like that…not that I am for it in this case but I would think that just because you do not have your draft pick that you could somehow make it up by another means..no?

  447. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Shane O’Brien and Anton Volchenkov are being bought out and on waivers.

  448. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Sounds like MB has a deal elsewhere he needs the salary for.

  449. CH Marshall, 30 June, 2014

    wow.. looks like arbitration is coming back to haunt Gorges

  450. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Shane the Brain! Give ‘im a dram, wind ‘im up, watch ‘im go!

  451. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I don’t claim to be a junior hockey guru. I claim to watch a lot of players with some interest, particularly Montreal Canadiens prospects.

    I like some of what I see from McCarron, but I hate his skating. It is terrible. Yes, it can improve. But it has to improve significantly.

    I watched some guys that I absolutely loved, big, tough physical players (I know, I shouldn’t have liked them because they weren’t European) that had heart and grit in spades. Dustin Brown was the guy I was desperately pulling for the Habs to draft in 2003 because he had a non-stop motor. Even in blowout losses, the guy skated and skated and skated.

    More recently, it was Taylor Beck and Matt Kennedy. They played hard, they hit hard, and they scored in the OHL. Unfortunately, their skating was just not quite good enough (yet) to get them to the NHL as regulars. Kennedy looks to be on his way to obscurity in the Hurricanes system, splitting his season between the AHL and ECHL, while Beck has 23 NHL games on his resume and may still have a shot at being an NHL regular after a decent AHL season. In both cases, questions about their skating (which was MUCH better than that of McCarron) have proved to be somewhat correct. It has limited and slowed their development.

    For Subban’s Bulls teams, my favourite player was Matt Beleskey, another hard hitting forward that was a decent offensive player in the OHL. He’s finally putting it together at the NHL level, but injuries due to his style of play and a lack of NHL footspeed have relegated him to a less prominent role than what he saw in junior.

    So no…I do not simply love Europeans. Nor do I fail to see the value in physical players, contrary to popular belief. But I’m not a xenophobic bigot, either, believing only that Canadians and Americans have grit. This is so laughable that it goes well beyond the category of stupidity.

    As for admitting that I was wrong, I will happily do so. Unfortunately, I won’t even bother to expect the same admission from you. It would be a waste of my time.

  452. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Weaver was a nice surprise given that we got him for a 5th. He’s certainly better than Murray and Bouillon.

    But he isn’t as good as Gorges.

    Not remotely.

    And I’m not especially pro-Gorges.

    Moving. Forward.

  453. B, 30 June, 2014

    Gleeson has 2 years left at $4M avg per.
    Gorges has 4 years left at $3.9M per.
    Gleeson would be a much cheaper buy out.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  454. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    But… but where would Gallagher live????

  455. New, 30 June, 2014

    I love this site. PK wins the Norris in 40 some games of 2013 and deserves a zillion bucks. PK comes 14th in 2014 Norris voting (by the same sports writers over 82 games) and he deserves a zillion + 7%. Thankfully the sports writers don’t pony up salary along with praise. Maybe, and this is totally off the wall, PK is only worth what the Canadiens will pay? Sacrilege, I know. I feel bad about writing that.

    I think it was Ian the other day who quoted a RFA figure above which the Canadiens will not go on PK and rather accept any offer sheet. Makes perfect sense. Maybe someone will give PK an offer sheet, he signs, and the question gets settled. But that team would need to go above the amount Montreal can consider.

    I think if you’re a hockey player you want to be paid what you’re worth and you want to play. You don’t want to play 10 minutes a game and be a good team mate on the fourth line. And you don’t want to be on a team where some guy is way overpaid while you pay the physical price.

    All to say I suppose that hockey is a team game. Without Markov the Canadiens come apart at the seams, the coaches are fired, the GM is fired, and they don’t play good enough to get into the playoffs until Markov limps back into the lineup. When PK sits out to show everybody how valuable he is to the team the team wins (4-1 until PK signs) and even though the rate slows once PK gets back they still make the playoffs. This season as well.

    One of the few NHL awards that isn’t earned outright or voted on by the press is the GM award. Bergevin came second to Bob Murray. Murray has built a solid prospect base, a solid team, and still has room to deal and play. The GM’s vote on this award. They all choose the guy they think is doing the best job. Dean Lombardi (Cup) and Stan Bowman (previous Cup) were 3rd and 4th.

    It will be what it will be. I just think we should recognize that it likely will be for the better.

  456. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    All these players being bought out. Some GMs had a reality check during the draft. They probably thought they were going to trade them, building the rumors that a lot of trades were going to occur. Not much happened though.

  457. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    I know it’s somewhat of a taboo to “sympathize” with a millionaire, but I kind of feel bad for Gorges. He’s been a hell of a teammate and heart and soul guy for this organization his entire tenure here. It’s the ugly side of the business I guess.

  458. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    Gleason adds the toughenss factor Montreal lacks on back end. Montreal has an issue during the regular season where teams take too many liberties ….we all know it is somehwat limited in the playoffs but a guy like Gleason can drop the gloves and keep things far more hoenst. I hope that wasn’t the whole deal becauze I think teh Habs need help up front too but getting a regular minute player who is also tough is a top priority…ideally you get that out of a 2nd or 3rd pairing dman.

  459. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    Good for Gorges for refusing to waive his NTC. A player settles himself and his family in for the long-term somewhere after the GM gives him that protection. Then the player looks like the bad guy when he exercises his rights to that hard-earned stability.
    Now, I’m no huge Gorges fan, but I have absolutely no problem with his actions. If it causes friction, that’s on the management, not him.

  460. marvin20, 30 June, 2014

    rah-rah Gorges? interesting use of words. Their is another poster who uses the same phrase over and over. hmm wonder how many other names you use on here LOL

  461. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    Might not be so much a case of adding mass to the frame, but turning the existing mass into something that is leaner and stronger.

    He was drafted specifically because he is 6’5″ 235lbs at a time when his peers are barely 6′, 180lbs. He is a gamble, but if he has the right attitude and player development coaches can get him the help he needs, there is no reason he can’t succeed.

    That was actually the intended point of my OP: That it is good to see former pros like Lapointe working with these kids and making sure they don’t just fall by the wayside after they are drafted. It’s way too easy for a kid to think he has it made and then slack off.

    In the past a lot of organizations put the honus on the kid to figure it out, and either they did or they didn’t. These days I think there is a growing realization that teams need to invest more than money in order to ensure the pipeline is well stocked. Not all prospects will pan out, but the more time and energy invested in them, the more likely they are to achieve a positive result.

  462. B, 30 June, 2014

    …and it is a business, on both sides.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  463. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    I’ve heard the same, Trini. But I’m just having trouble getting into this tournament. There have been a lot of goals, so that has been great.

    But there are some truly awful teams at this year’s tournament. Seeing Greece and Costa Rica in the quarterfinals hurt my soul. Costa Rica earned their way in only because Italy and England decided that they would not bother trying to field soccer teams this season, while Greece were the benefactors of a hideous officiating call to basically sneak in undeservedly. They then proceeded to play one of the most stunningly awful soccer games I can remember. They were playing for a penalty shootout from the opening whistle. Thank goodness Ruiz scored so that the two teams had to at least fake a soccer game for 30 minutes. Then it was right back to a snoozer once they got the tie.

    The reactions are interesting…most of the guys I play soccer with are feeling the same way as I am. Very uninspired so far. I’m enjoying it a bit more, because I generally cheer for African and South American teams, so this has been a productive tournament in that regard. But going against that, a lot of the games have been marked by bad officiating, WAY too much flopping (worst that I can remember, and I’ve seen some doozies over the years), and the inferior groups that left half of the draw pretty uninteresting to me.

  464. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Iginla wants two years. I’d give him $7M for two years.

    Moving. Forward.

  465. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    I’m always immediately ready to admit my mistakes on this site. I often admit I was wrong and ask people their opinion. Just saying…

    I don’t write posts like they are FACT as you seem to do.

    I wasn’t trying to jump all over you specifically but you seem to be part of a small group of people that immediately attack players like Connor Crisp or Dalton Thrower or their latest pick Brett Lernout because they’re not your prototypical offensive minded players. When a lot of the time these are the types of players that will get you through four rounds of the playoffs, McCarron too.

    It gets kinda old.

  466. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Of course. Also I think Toronto isn’t a great destination right now. I see no reason to think they will be any better next year.

    Moving. Forward.

  467. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    That is correct. I was just trying to point out which teams cannot even make an offer sheet, because they must have the proper assets available for compensation.

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  469. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    I hear Price has a hobbit hole already on the market!

  470. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Good point…so I guess we should watch out for team’s re-acquiring their picks if they want to make a run at a top RFA.

  471. neumann103, 30 June, 2014

    I agree that players should be free to use all of the contractual rights available to them. The CBA is a deal with the devil to allow all sorts of anti-competitive practices like the Draft, the Salary Cap etc.

    However I do think that a guy like Gorges who sees himself as a leader might have trouble with being asked to go, and might eventually want to go where he is wanted.

    “Et le but!”

  472. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Absolutely: I think that Lapointe and Mellanby were the best additions to the team, but their impact has yet to be measured because it has been too short of a time. I like both guys: they both played hard and honest on the ice, and they were well respected by their peers. These guys didn’t make it to the NHL based on talent, but also on hard work. They are great mentors for the kids.

  473. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    I guess the sidestep would be ..hey…we can’t make a a formal offersheet given the current rules but instead we will trade you our 2 firsts, this 2nd we acquired and a 3rd for Pk Subban…or they throw in a low cost roster player to sweeten the pot. The offersheet porcess could be attempted to see if PK was interested and would sign there and it would give them an idea of cost.

    To be clear I want to keep PK.

  474. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Know where you stand!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  475. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    He earned $6M last year and scored 30 goals.
    That $7 M might be about $3-5M short

  476. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    WOW is right! Wonde rif NEW is gonna blame P.K.

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  477. New, 30 June, 2014

    I suspect that if PK was to become a Leaf the press would be full of little PK in a Leafs jersey pictures and stories about how he always dreamed of playing for his hometown team, where he has his home, where his family lives, and that he takes his new responsibility seriously :-)

  478. neumann103, 30 June, 2014

    the “toughness” thing is a red herring. The Habs iced a worse lineup most nights putting Murray in for “toughness” and “crease clearing” despite the fact that he was consistently among the worst defensemen in the NHL. Gleason is not a top 6 level player and costs $4m.

    Bergevin may recognize a logjam on D but he s not insane enough to give up a second pairing roster player just so he can buy out someone else’s garbage. There are a ton of teams that would give the Habs some value for Gorges, not a salary dump of dead weight.

    “Et le but!”

  479. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    OK Question:
    Last McKenzie tweet seems to indicate a) Gorges’ rumour is true and b) the fall-off is not business as usual.

    Seems a sudden determination by MB. Does it mean MB has a great deal or is doing this for cap space urgency… which of course means Subban factor.

    Lots of fun though.

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  480. New, 30 June, 2014

    Nope, you assume you know where I stand on PK. You know you don’t like that I wrote what I wrote.

  481. sirs81, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges is being treated like a cheep whore at this point. The guy loves playing for the habs. Keep him or trade him to another team that he wants to play on.

  482. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Deal with cheap whores a lot, do you?

  483. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Which shows where you stand. Why are you … uncomfortable with your stance?

    Read this paragraph again.

    “,All to say I suppose that hockey is a team game. Without Markov the Canadiens come apart at the seams, the coaches are fired, the GM is fired, and they don’t play good enough to get into the playoffs until Markov limps back into the lineup. When PK sits out to show everybody how valuable he is to the team the team wins (4-1 until PK signs) and even though the rate slows once PK gets back they still make the playoffs. This season as well.”

    Despite it being a team game Markov’s presence/absence is paramount and Subbans’s isn’t. You wrote the damn thing Man!

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  484. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    And he is wanted in TO :)

  485. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges will definitely be traded now. Can’t have all this happen and then keep him? no? I mean if not to TO, Bergevin will have to find a trade with a team not on his NT list. Can’t come back from all this?

  486. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Likely both reasons. He can go over the cap right now, so the urgency in terms of a Subban contract isn’t really there. I think he wants to sign Dan Boyle.

  487. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    All the cheap whores you make use of pull in $3.9M a year?

  488. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    @Dipsy, agree France hasn’t been tested yet by a “quality” side, but they have still been impressive. I have my favourite countries from Europe which I love to support, France are not one of them. BUt I have been impressed with how they have played.

    I missed the first half of France / Nigeria and will now catch the 2nd half. Had to replenish my fridge and freezer with Beer and Jager for Die Mannschaft game later today.

  489. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


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  490. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    One thing you can count on in this ‘supposed’ Gorges situation
    GMMB is royally pizzed.

    Sinse he took over, everything has been done professionally and without leaks.
    You can bet it wasn’t anyone in the Habs organization that yapped.

    If any of tjis is true, it hurts the Habs – then how veterans perceive the treatment of other vets.

    No matter the outcome, not the best of days in Habs World

  491. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    He’s also MUCH older.

  492. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    I have said I won’t mind seeing Gorges traded, but the guy has a limited NTC. He’s allowed to use it as he sees fit.

    It should not even be public knowldege that he doesn’t want to waive to go to Toronto, that is simply unfair to him. If you want to trade him there, you ask nicely and if he says no, it should be end of discussion.

    We hate hearing player X asks to be traded, we should be sympathetic to players with NTC being asked to go where they don’t want to go. Regardless of circumstances, they have earned the right to choose, since a GM agreed to give it to them.

  493. jols, 30 June, 2014

    1st half was fairly even. Nigeria giving it their all. Nigeria does look like they might make a defensive miscue down the stretch. They look a little shaky on the back end.

  494. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Good game eh HabinBurlington.. and as I predicted some fancy skills.

    I watched the game and thanked the impact that hockey has had on my thinking. I love the ‘tussles’ for the ball like hockey’s ‘goal crease battles’ which ARE NOT resulting in calls. The halftime announcers cited an example which they said should have been a call. The game and the tournament is better that it WASNT.

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  495. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Spector’s Hockey – Looking forward to discovering reason behind the #Habs decision to shop Gorges. He’ll be tough to replace.

    He was corrupted by the Cole-ster ;)

  496. kerrgte, 30 June, 2014

    For a cap hit of $3.9 mill, Gorges is a vastly overpaid player. this is particularly true for Mtl which has a number of up and coming d’men.

    Weaver at about $1 mill plays the same role as Gorges.

    Gorges has had a good ride given his contribution. The team is moving forward and he no longer adds $3.9 mill of value. Welcome to the real world – no free lunches.

    Gorges has shown no improvement, or desire to improve his offensive game. Not a good fit for MB, a former d’man, and a top-notch GM, who has a finite salary cap and a plan to improve the team

  497. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    The most mind boggling thing is that a player like Gorges got a NTC. I mean, come on. A 4th dman at best has a NTC? What’s next, a NTC for Ryan White?

  498. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    The half time analysis that they seem to be giving midfield space was RIGHT ON. It could hurt them. Game is good though.

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  499. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    I would be leery of having any discussions involving the Leafs, particularly due to the new Big Head in charge Tim Lieweke, this guy has an ego and a dickhead attitude in my opinion. His feces has evidently never stunk!

  500. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    It would be either Gorges’ camp or the Leafs leaking that info to make the Habs look bad.

  501. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Well said. Nasty situation now!

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  502. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    It does look likely that Gorges will be delt but then again if not, i do not see why it should cause any problems within the team. It`s not as if the players themselves do not use tactics borderline blackmail when it`s time to sign new deals. It goes both ways and business is business.

  503. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Good point!

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  504. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    “pizzed” ? yeah,yeah!

    It did come out of TO. The only comments out of Montreal media guys are “if true”

  505. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    They gave Phaneuf a zillion bucks, what’s half of that for a No. 6 d-man who can scream “c’mon boys” at the top of his lungs and has an extra room in his house for rookies?

  506. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 35s
    Josh Gorges tells me just now that he’s “deeply disappointed” by this turn of events with #Habs.

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  508. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    OK I am a huge advocate of moving Gorges but it definitely pains me to see it playing out like this. Although I think it best for the team to replace him with someone more versatile I will admit that there are very few players that I have seen who have been more fearless and been willing to sacrifice so much. The issue is not Gorges fault…nor is it Bergy’s as the contract was there before him. Gorges plain and simply makes too much for what he offers…but I really hope something is worked out that is satisfactory to both te team and Gorges as it would be unfortunate to have someone who did give everything like Gorges did be unhappy in his newest venture. HE has a lot to offer the right team and if Montreal D had a diff’t makeup and/or his salary were diff’t it would not have to be this way…but at the same time I am seeing today that guys of his ilk are being squeezed….Gleason and Volchenkov aslo got waived…..teams are realizing that for that money they need multi dimensional dmen….it is too bad a guy like Gorges can’t opt out and take less money and a lesser role allowing team to improve and benefit from his presence. Anyway…hope it works out quickly for both sides.

  509. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    Except that one you will have to blame on the Gauthier “Take no cookies” administration.

  510. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    I will stand by my earlier comment, this World Cup has provided skill, has provided beautiful stories and continues to provide exciting football.

    I have loved it!

    No World Cup held in South America has been won by a European team, I still believe Argentina and Brazil are the favourites only because of home field advantage and a history of great talent.

    But my heart wants Germany or if not them, the Dutch to take the title.

    But perhaps the greatest story would be a Costa Rica champion, I can’t see them doing it, but WOW that would be perhaps one of the greatest underdog stories in sporting history. Columbia have been so impressive also.

    Edit: Before I am corrected, I recognize Costa Rica are Central American and not South American.

  511. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    I think so. Now we’ll probably receive less in return too, because everybody else knows.

  512. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Disagree here Dipsy.

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  513. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    J-F Chaumont –

    #Habs: “This is really hard to accept. I have always given my heart to this team.” – Josh Gorges.
    “I have never asked for a trade, this is the call of Marc Bergevin. I am in shock” – Josh Gorges to the Journal de Montréal.

  514. New, 30 June, 2014

    Heck no. I’m really comfortable with my stance. You just don’t know what it is.

  515. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    If this Gorges thing is getting a lot of comments, wait until the Habs sign….Stephane Robidas.
    Yes, twice broke the same leg, yet there’s chatter around that there is mutual interest if the health issue is fine.
    That could be a July 2nd signing when the dust settles

  516. mark-ID, 30 June, 2014

    Or if not traded, as Mckenzie pointed out he could be put on Waivers. He would almost certainly be picked up by a team. In this case, Gorges wouldn’t have any say in the matter. Of course this would be last case scenerio……as it would be a real slap in the face to a guy that gave his all to the Habs.

    “I think I may have found a way for us to get Griffey and Bonds, and we really won’t have to give up much” -Costanza

  517. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Latin America and you’re safe amigo.

  518. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    OK well….poor you Gerry.
    I posted “bowel movement” this morning and got modded.
    I would say that your comment won’t last much longer.

    If it does, then I’m taking this treatment personally.

  519. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    Isn’t Nonis a cousin of TSN Dregger?

  520. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


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  521. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Gord Miller ‏@GMillerTSN 1m
    “I know that being a GM is a hard job, but when you look at good teams, they simply don’t pay $3m+ for Dmen who don’t pass the puck well.”

  522. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Dave Stubbs ‏@Dave_Stubbs 5m

    #Habs Gorges to me now: “I want people to know that I never wanted to leave Montreal. In no way has this been my decision.”

  523. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    Even if it’s all true, management still gave him the NTC and good for him for making use of it.

  524. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    No matter the reason why, what is imperative is to find a reason to be mad at the Habs and be able to call out Gorges as something negative. Without that, there can be no cheering!

  525. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Good point….not sure what all these NTC are all about for ANYBODY let alone non superstars.
    I do think Gorges is a number 4 Dman…..on the habs he is number 3…he was better than Emelin this season….and is/was certainly better than Bouillon and tinordi and Weaver and Murray (only had him any how for what 3 months all in all regardless) . To me $3.9 M is not over the top crazy for what he brings. We don’t have anybody ready to take his spot….so personally I would keep him for another year. Trade him NEXT summer. He and Subby are a solid pairing. Remember Niskinen got $3.5 M from the Oilers….$3.9 M is a STEAL for the habs in today’s market price for what is out there and available…..just what me thinks…..he is our best penalty killing dman is he not?? Come playoff time we will miss Josh’s if we trade him. I get we need more right handed D and fast D…..but seriously – is Markov or Emelin FAST? Let’s not put this all on Josh here…..mgmt gave him this contract…..not Bergy but just say’in.
    At least Gionta isn’t signed…..now to be THAT is a BIG mistake if we sign him….we need to get size….gionta can’t score to save his life any more…..let him go….get younger, better hands, faster, and most importantly – BIGGER.

  526. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Spector’s Hockey –

    Marc Bergevin’s handling of Josh Gorges could dent his halo with some Habs fans. Bergevin must find an upgrade over Gorges to square this with #Habs fans.

  527. New, 30 June, 2014

    Yes and the question has to be why is the Gorges matter being leaked to the press? Who gains? Who loses? Then we wonder why GM’s only seem to deal with a small circle of trusted GM, rather than shop guys league wide. Have a great summer Josh, don’t answer the phone. Some parts of their lives are great, others bite.

  528. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    He’s a 5 or a 6 moving forward, and the $3.9M is too much.

  529. The Jackal, 30 June, 2014

    What I am concerned about the most is how does this Gorges situation affect Carey Price and Brendan Gallagher? Hopefully there are no longterm negative consequences from this in the Habs’ locker room.

  530. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    kerrgte said is best below, he’s had a free lunch.

    On a career of shotblocking and rah-rah-rah. The wake up call is sounding today.

  531. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    I don’ want Brazil or Argentina to win unless they put on a great game in the next two weeks or so… Neither has.

    I am ok with Dutch although I think they are not as dominant as their scores have indicated.

    Germany.. it is good for soccer anytime Germany wins.

    But my heart wants France or Columbia.
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  532. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Agreed, Burly. I am rooting for Argentina to win it, if not I want one of the underdogs. Exciting World Cup so far, the intensity and the dramatic finishes have been off the charts. I can’t remember the last World Cup where all or most of the top talents have been able to deliver exactly as hoped.

  533. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Hi Trini, I just tuned in and did a little drilling to come up to speed on the Gorges rumor mill. Here’s my 2 cents.

    I think Gorges (and Gio) are done. Price is the true leader of this team by virtue of his gold medal performance. PK is 2nd by virtue of his Boston playoff performance (especially off the ice) Markov is still solid 2 1/2.

    The leadership transition is now complete and with Markov signed, we have a stable core and a solid top 2 of Markov/PK.

    I believe MB will let Gorges go whether or not we get a roster player and I believe he will go after Boyle (who speaks fluent french as you know) and who I would initially pair with Emelin in our 4th spot.

    For what we’re paying Gorges over the next 2 years, we could probably get Boyle AND Weaver. The Dream (who runs an off season hockey school – http://www.defensefirst.com/ ) would be a natural on ice coach for our youngsters and a step up from both Gorges and Frankie the Bull. With Boyle, Weaver and the youngsters rotating and coaching, teaching, learning and watching respectively through the 4, 5 & 6 spots we’ll be very solid over the next 2 years and into the elite perennial contenders club.

    NO offense to the overpaid Gorges. It’s a business decision and we are grateful for how you’ve helped Carey grow and how you’ve personally taken care of Gally. They will be your friends for life. But there’s zero chance of Gorges wearing the C or ever being top 4.

    Weaver plays with at least equal character, plays bigger and harder, with a higher IQ, a better stick, and comes at a better value.

    Make it happen MB

  534. The_Truth, 30 June, 2014

    I much rather move Emelin than Gorges. I think Gorges is a better defensive player and brings more intangibles.

    Maybe MB would feel the same, but unfortunately he gave Emelin a no trade clause. Don’t like that contract at all.

  535. Maritime Ronn, 30 June, 2014

    you were modded for that?

  536. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    The petition is sitting at 943… Maybe it should be shared on few leafs and bruins forums?

  537. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Actually this improves my view of him. Makes the tough calls, uses common sense to deal with the cap. Signing Markov made this day inevitable and I said so before the ink was dry on his new contract.

  538. New, 30 June, 2014

    Well…in Gauthier’s defense if the press had only taken just one cookie Gauthier would have been able to afford to let Cammi take the jersey he was wearing as a souvenir when traded midgame.

  539. Rad, 30 June, 2014

    So who would be the roster player in the purported Josh Gorges move to TO? I’m thinking Cody Franson.

  540. BriPro, 30 June, 2014

    Yup. No taste in good comments.

  541. CH Marshall, 30 June, 2014

    Hey we’re bringing back Cube. That’s better than square right? he he

  542. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    He hasn’t been offered a contract yet, actually.

  543. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    The consequences will be that Gorges is eventually replaced by better players. That’s the bottom line. Price is married up and Gallagher will be fine. Time for new leadership like Subban, Gallagher and Price to take over.

  544. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Repost to my friend Trini (gave me his summit ticket last year!) from down below:

    Hi Trini, I just tuned in and did a little drilling to come up to speed on the Gorges rumor mill. Here’s my 2 cents.

    I think Gorges (and Gio) are done. Price is the true leader of this team by virtue of his gold medal performance. PK is 2nd by virtue of his Boston playoff performance (especially off the ice) Markov is still solid 2 1/2.

    The leadership transition is now complete and with Markov signed, we have a stable core and a solid top 2 of Markov/PK.

    I believe MB will let Gorges go whether or not we get a roster player and I believe he will go after Boyle (who speaks fluent french as you know) and who I would initially pair with Emelin in our 4th spot.

    For what we’re paying Gorges over the next 2 years, we could probably get Boyle AND Weaver. The Dream (who runs an off season hockey school – http://www.defensefirst.com/ ) would be a natural on ice coach for our youngsters and a step up from both Gorges and Frankie the Bull. With Boyle, Weaver and the youngsters rotating and coaching, teaching, learning and watching respectively through the 4, 5 & 6 spots we’ll be very solid over the next 2 years and into the elite perennial contenders club.

    NO offense to the overpaid Gorges. It’s a business decision and we are grateful for how you’ve helped Carey grow and how you’ve personally taken care of Gally. They will be your friends for life. But there’s zero chance of Gorges wearing the C or ever being top 4.

    Weaver plays with at least equal character, plays bigger and harder, with a higher IQ, a better stick, and comes at a better value.

  545. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    JVR. A guy can dream.

  546. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Richard Labbé ‏@Richardlabbe 1m

    Le clan Boyle me confirme l’intérêt du CH. Mon texte: http://www.lapresse.ca/sports/hockey/

  547. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Good one :)

  548. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Look at Nigeria go… all over the higher ranked French side. Still 0-0 so anything can happen but Nigeria is looking like the better side.

  549. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Great call on the leaderships SPATS.

  550. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    How? Gorges is an overpaid No. 5-6 d-man. I don’t care if he’s Mother Theresa and the Pope rolled into one, if we can replace him with a better player, I’m in.

  551. Adidess, 30 June, 2014

    Wow indeed!

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  553. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Looks like there is some bad blood between Gorges and Bergevin. Gorges seems to be communicating through the press, which is never a good sign. Sounds like that bridge has been burnt.

  554. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


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  556. careysubban3176, 30 June, 2014

    This would be MB biggest mistake as GM if Gorges leaves. A true leader who should be the next captain. Why do you think pk played so good in the playoffs. He covered up for pk plus is the best penalty killer on the team. If MB does let go of Gorges then he better not sign that worthless piece of little crap they call Gionta

  557. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    With all due respect Jackal it`s not as if they are much more respectfull towards their teammates and their club when it`s time to negociate a new deal so it goes both ways. It `s just business !

  558. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    Ryan Miller is in Vancouver today with his wife for a visit with Canucks brass. I guess they’re not going scorched earth like the Sabres are, they want to ice a respectable team. As we’ve discussed, with the number of veterans with No Trade Clauses on their roster, they can’t really aim for last place in the standings, pull an Oilers move.

    They may be able to trade away some of these vets, many of them are on affordable deals, but others, like Alex Burrows, oye oye oye. These trades will happen closer to the trade deadline though, or as the cap rises again next season.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  559. CH Marshall, 30 June, 2014

    yeah this is turning ugly fast

  560. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    man…this is tough…and me I am in the camp that believes he should be moved but I wish the story never got leaked because he does not deserve to be bandied about in the media like this and have to get into this situation.
    I suspect the drafting of Scherbak is a factor as well in a roundabout way…trying to create a comfortable and leadership group for Scherbak and Chucky as well.
    I think the decision would have come down to Emelin vs Gorges someone on the left side has to go.
    Can a player be traded to a team for purposes of that team using their compliance buyout?

  561. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    7 per annum.

    Moving. Forward.

  562. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    PK was so good in the playoffs because he is a great player. My lawn mower makes a better first pass than Gorges.

  563. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    What I’m hearing also!
    Plus the two for one frees up another 1-2 million for an upgrade on Gio.

  564. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    I remember how much better Subban played once Gorges returned from injury at the end of the season. It’s sad to see the situation unfold as it is.

  565. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 30 June, 2014

    If you think Josh Gorges is a top 4 then it is Lupul. If you don’t like him then it is Clarkson with the leafs eating salary.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  566. stephen, 30 June, 2014

    Which Boyle is he referring to?

    Dan or (big) Brian?

    edit: Duh, read the article, Stephen. Sorry!

  567. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Following the Gorges saga is interesting. Messages and being sent and ‘taken’ by all involved.

    I say the ‘youth’ movement is noting it differently than the the ‘veterans’.
    I also say (and this is JUST my opinion and a biased one at that) it means that Gionta will not be back…. at least not with the same ascendancy.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  568. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    I’ve heard cousin and I’ve heard in-law, I know there is something there. Plus TSN’s last kick at the can so I think they may try and come out with every lead story they can and throw caution to the wind. After next season begins, TSN loses it’s “Official” designation, and the link from TSN to NHL Head Office is much much different.

  569. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    That’s harsh words for Gio. You’re showing too much hate towards him and too much love towards Gorges.

  570. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    exactly…he is a good guy by every accoutn I have ever seen so he definitely doesn;t deserve this but it isn;t on MB either…he has to do what he has to do…this is the crappy side of hockey I guess. Coincidence it is the LEafs talks that have leaked?

  571. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    The “I just want to stay in Montreal” shtick might tug on some heartstrings but the fact remains: nearly $4M for a No. 6 d-man, when you can find Weavers and Bouillons (and need room for Tinordis and Beaulieus) is way too much.

  572. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Remember the Muskoka 5? Players can absolutely come back from this type of thing.

    What this DOES do is sour the relationship between Gorges and Bergevin, and it could lead to some bitter fans, who think Gorges is betraying the team in the same way that Leafs fans were attacking Sundin, Kaberle, et al.

  573. New, 30 June, 2014

    It certainly could dent it…if the Habs are the leak and not TO. But all spring I have read on here how Tinordi, Beaulieu, Pateryn should be playing and how the Swedish guy should step right in. That’s four of the last two or four. Emelin, Subban, Markov, Gorges…that’s four of the first two or four. So far that’s eight of six with clamor for Weaver, Boyle, etc. Even I can figure that there are not enough chairs once the music ends.

    These things shouldn’t get out. Sad when they do.

  574. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Hey Trini, I tried to tell you that way below, but so much has been happenin… including this

    Will he be waived now????

  575. kalevine, 30 June, 2014

    do you have a link for Gorges communication?
    The worst part of it will be that , if Bergevin now HAS to trade him, his value will be less. Seems like a bit of deja vu

  576. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Is Boyle a right handed dman?

  577. Hobie, 30 June, 2014


  578. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    This is the tough part. Most of us view Gorges as a guy who plays out of his depth and makes too much money for what he does, but we pretty much all qualify that by saying “I like Gorges” and “he is a warrior”. Both sides of that coin are true. His team-mates almost certainly love him, he is a true leader on the team, he does give his all every time he is out there. And now, against his wishes, he is likely to be moved off of a team that he has been a key part of for a long time. Right after they go to the Conference Final. That sucks for him.

    At the end of the day, the business side rules. My main concern will be how Price reacts to all this. He is a guy that you don’t want to have sour on MTL. He already has some issues with the pressure and fanaticism. Losing a close team-mate like Gorges won’t help his mindset, though I’m sure he is mature enough to not let it affect his play or commitment.

  579. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Very Exciting France/Nigeria game, wonderful!

  580. HabFab, 30 June, 2014


  581. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Josh is number one for “lets go lets go lets go” but falls off quickly everywhere else, especially value. He does have a good agent tho…

  582. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Wow… actually some action at France/Nigeria game.

  583. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Wow. France with all the pressure now. Crossbar.

  584. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Believe it would be a forward. Lupal or Kadri would be my guess.

  585. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    The way he dresses turns some fans away so anything to make the situation even more negative is a good fit in MTL…. The thing that i find weird sometimes…well…always…is that in MTL we say loud and strong that we want changes and when it s about to happen then we change our mind and turn on the G.M.

  586. bustthebusters, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges, the flopping Harpy seal who is consistently giving up pucks in his own Dzone and then blocking his own screw ups. The guy is not a leader just based on his play, let alone Captain material. Take your 3.9 and get out of town. His ship has long since sailed.

  587. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Argh… another smurf.

  588. stephen, 30 June, 2014

    Having now read the text, it’s nice to know that Boyle thinks so favourably of the Canadiens.

  589. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Awesome. I know he is old but I think he still has a couple of good years in him. Hope Bergevin gets this done.

  590. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    To be a serious contender, you need young players who outperform their contracts. Gorges was never, ever going to outperform his contract and eventually, guys like that get in the way of youngsters who can.
    Wonder if this is a subtle tweak at Therrien (PLAY the kids Mikey…)

  591. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Repost from earlier (to my man Trini) with update:

    As the leaks and emotions begin to reach crescendo… I predict Gorges will be waived. Which seems sad until you recognize that he’s been overpaid by approx 2 million/yr since he signed his new deal.


    I think Gorges (and Gio) are done. Price is the true leader of this team by virtue of his gold medal performance. PK is 2nd by virtue of his Boston playoff performance (especially off the ice) Markov is still solid 2 1/2.

    The leadership transition is now complete and with Markov signed, we have a stable core and a solid top 2 of Markov/PK.

    I believe MB will let Gorges go whether or not we get a roster player and I believe he will go after Boyle (who speaks fluent french as you know) and who I would initially pair with Emelin in our 4th spot.

    For what we’re paying Gorges over the next 2 years, we could probably get Boyle AND Weaver. The Dream (who runs an off season hockey school – http://www.defensefirst.com/ ) would be a natural on ice coach for our youngsters and a step up from both Gorges and Frankie the Bull. With Boyle, Weaver and the youngsters rotating and coaching, teaching, learning and watching respectively through the 4, 5 & 6 spots we’ll be very solid over the next 2 years and into the elite perennial contenders club.

    NO offense to the overpaid Gorges. It’s a business decision and we are grateful for how you’ve helped Carey grow and how you’ve personally taken care of Gally. They will be your friends for life. But there’s zero chance of Gorges wearing the C or ever being top 4.

    Weaver plays with at least equal character, plays bigger and harder, with a higher IQ, a better stick, and comes at a better value.

    Make it happen MB

  592. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Dave Stubbs –

    I’ve just had a long talk with #Habs Josh Gorges. Story coming soon, I’ll post it to http://hockeyinsideout.com and link it when it’s up

    Update: Gorges is stunned, learned of #Habs intentions on Saturday. Trying to digest all of it, says it’s “a waiting game” now
    #Habs Gorges has expanded his 15-team list of teams to which he’d go. A couple in Canada have been added; he’s not specifying which teams.

  593. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014


    If Gorges says he does not want to be traded to Toronto, then let him go to an American team from the list of 15 destinations he said as possibles. What’s so hard with that?

    If not, then MB should let him stay. I don’t see any reason why this has to be some ‘drama’ unfolding before and during July 1st!

  594. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Huge mistake by the Nigerian keeper.

  595. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    I agree that Gorges brings more in the way of intangibles, but Emelin is far and away the better player. Better skater, better passer, better shooter, WAY better body checker. Nearly as good at blocking shots. Maybe not as positionally aware, but on the ice he is way more useful long-term at $4.1 than Gorges is a $3.9.

  596. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    I can save him 500 words:

    “Boo hoo, I don’t want to leave.”

  597. Habfun, 30 June, 2014

    Been away to our camp on the St Lawrence all weekend! It’s refreshing no internet!
    I am surprised by this George thing! he is one of the best shot blockers in the nhl and will be missed by the Habs! And I especiaaly don’t want him going to the leafs, even if it is a salary dump!!
    They are pulling my heart strings and I don’t like it!!

    It’s all about the CH

  598. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    He wouldn’t see nearly as much PP time in MTL. I’m sure they are willing to cut back PK and Andrei’s PP minutes a bit (which might not be a bad thing), but he is not going to be the first one out there on the man advantage.

    EDIT: Having read the article, it would be significant if they offer him more than $6M per season for two years. Markov didn’t get that type of pay (though maybe he could have), and with Subban still to sign…..

    I dunno, raises some question marks if you ask me.

  599. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    I bet it will be about Gorges being a good guy.

  600. Steven, 30 June, 2014

    So Volchenkov got waived.

    Haven’t really paid attention or noticed his play for years(which is probably the first red flag) but I remember him being pretty rock solid years ago in Ottawa. Would he be worth pursuing?

  601. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Dave Stubbs
    #Habs Gorges has expanded his 15-team list of teams to which he’d go. A couple in Canada have been added; he’s not specifying which teams.

    So if this list has been expanded now, that means there’s no way he’s coming back.

  602. durocher, 30 June, 2014

    It’s great that MB is looking to improve the D, though it’s sad to see Gorges potentially leave under these circumstances.

    MB should consider: Gorges and Budaj to DC for Troy Brouwer. JG and Brouwer are “A’s” with their respective teams, and Brouwer is a big RW who has won a cup with Chicago.

    Top 6:

  603. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    I’m sorry, i like Gorges, i really do. If he wanted to stay a Canadien he would not have asked for the amount of money his contract is worth. He doesn’t hit, and his passing and shooting suck. Hes not worth the amount we pay him and MB has to do this in a cap era, hell im surprised he found someone that wanted a 1 trick shot blocking pony like Gorges.

  604. johnnylarue, 30 June, 2014

    I need to hit the big fat REWIND button on Gorgesgate.

    See, I missed the part where Toronto making an offer for him turned into Bergevin actively shopping him…? Is this all for real, or just BS rumor-mongering from the internets?

  605. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    I think more a lack of execution, I believe he thought he could really parry that ball away with more strength, unfortunately all he could do was a get a hand on it. The Defence is not playing sharp, not holding the offside line well together, France is starting to really impose their organization against them now.

    Too bad, would love to see Nigeria tie this up.

    The Nigerian keeper has been world class aside from that one play. I fear he is starting to feel he needs to do too much as a result of poor back line play from his teammates.

  606. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    Hola Amigos! Adios Josh! Have we signed a Heavyweight Enforcer yet?

  607. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    Who helps young kids.

  608. SPATS, 30 June, 2014


  609. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Hobie: You routinely write that I only like Europeans, treating that like fact. You routinely write that I don’t like Canadians, treating that like a fact.

    Basically, you have never really asked me whether I think the Habs should stop drafting players like Reway and Andrighetto and Lekhonen (I would only have drafted the last of those three, as he has the most talent and the best chance of being an NHL player). Instead, you just assume that I see no value in physical or defensive players, only small, skilled Europeans. (In actuality, I would like to see the roster get significantly bigger, and I was against the signing of Briere, and I am not particularly enamoured with Gallagher who is also too small for the NHL. I would prefer that Desharnais be traded, but given that I don’t see that happening for a fair return, I would like to see Plekanec traded. i would not like to see Eller traded, because he is the biggest and most physical of the three. I would not re-sign Gionta.)

    So no, you actually do routinely write posts like they are FACT. The difference is that yours are generally intended as personal attacks against me and my understanding of hockey, whereas my posts that you take issue with are generally my criticisms of a player based on my own observations and research.

    I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. I do very much have a problem with people trying to evoke some sort of Captain Canada hyper-nationalism to attempt to discredit me, something you have done repeatedly over the past few years.

    You mention that it gets kinda old seeing people question size questioned. Guess what? Now you know how many of us feel when you go on and on about how useless players are, more often than not evoking their nationality as if it is some sort of insult, instead of simply commenting on that they are the wrong fit.

    As the son of a European immigrant, one that was so attached to his adopted country that he refused to let his children refer to themselves as hyphenated-Canadians, I find your endless prattle about Europeans not simply tiring, but also offensive. But what can I do? It is a free country.

  610. The Jackal, 30 June, 2014

    Stubbs tweeting that Gorges has expanded the list of teams he would be traded to.

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  611. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    I love the fact he does not want to go to the Leafs, as much as its sad to see any Hab leave, it makes me smile when even they hate the leafs :)

  612. HUDSONHAB, 30 June, 2014

    For the love of God and hockey get rid of the No Trade Clause!!!!

  613. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    When Gorges is finished playing, he can always come back as the “good cop” assistant coach.

  614. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    We have 3 middleweights Prust, Wiese and Tinordi and the Bruins have given up on Thornton. It’s a new era

  615. Storman, 30 June, 2014

    I do not believe Toronto would have ever even entertained making an offer for Gorges without the fact of Montreal letting it be known they were shopping him.

  616. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Agree whole-heartedly with Ron…Bergevin will be VERY angry with the fact that the Gorges situation has leaked and has become so public. The Habs are not coming off well in this mess.

  617. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    If he had just stolen your wallet or cell phone…. maybe. Otherwise no.

    Moving. Forward.

  618. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 30 June, 2014

    Normand, having watched some of the Canucks last year, my take is comparison’s to the last year of the Charles Montgomery Gauthier regime/product on ice is apt.

    Like the 2011-12 Habs that were a competitive team except for the incredibly inability to defend a lead (they only gave up 6 goals once – in a one goal loss!) Vancouver was objectively much closer to a mid pack team.

    Just the broom that took out the GM/Coach (I get the dubious owner(s) is still there) is worth a few more games – a few breaks and they are probably a 7-11 team …. Markstrom is going to be key assuming they don’t get Miller etc.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  619. NightRyder, 30 June, 2014

    “Anywhere but Toronto.”

  620. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Probably Canucks, Flames and Oilers (he’s a good Christian boy from the interior of BC and loves Country music) Those teams would be happy to have him and his leadership

  621. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    TU-74 and Volchenkov! Russian Bone Crushers !

  622. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    How are the Habs not coming off well? GM’s are allowed to discuss trade possibilities, it is a prickly situation, but in my eyes, I don’t think any less of the Habs.

    In fact I am liking the fact that MB is looking to make such a move, sometimes very tough decisions need to be made.

  623. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    It leaked to Bobby Mac by the Leafs, plain and simple. Its sickening that the media has info to trade details like this, but hey, its the Leafs, they are just a terrible organization

  624. johnnylarue, 30 June, 2014

    Whoa–okay, so this is real.

    I don’t disagree with the idea of moving him for business reasons, but it comes as a bit of a shock nonetheless. Hope the repercussions on team chemistry aren’t super dire, in any case. He’s got friends in high places.

  625. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    You wise man are just asking but know better …
    A few days ago you could read trade Gorges, give him away,put him on waivers,buy him out, today the Habs will regret it.
    We yell like crazy when players use comparables and blackmail to negociate their new deals but when the club wants to deal with business then we should mix in a dose of sentiments…

    Even if we had an excellent season we wanted changes , now that we are about to make some, we want to keep the team as is…

    le huge and usual sigh…

  626. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    The Globe and Mail and why the NHLPA wanted a lower Salary Cap;

    Note: My understanding was that between $60-100 million was lost from HRR once the lower Canadian dollar was factored in, hence the $3.7 bl HRR figure

  627. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Why are they not coming off well? They are trying to make a trade.

    Moving. Forward.

  628. 2mins4lookinsooogood, 30 June, 2014


    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  629. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Well that seals the deal. Nigerian defense really suspect at the end of the game. Germany’s path will have to go through France and Brazil/Columbia if they get past Algeria, which I hope they do. Anyway, it is never easy to get to the final game.

  630. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    My bet is Gorges lands with the Canucks.

  631. Corporate, 30 June, 2014

    So ok Gorges does not want to be traded. Who cares? If the GM’s job is to make the team better and he thinks that he can, then go for it. I would be sad to see him go but we have a lot of good talent coming in. I also think that Weaver is a less expensive version of Gorges. He will also cost a fraction of the price.

  632. johnnylarue, 30 June, 2014

    Agreed. It speaks volumes for his commitment to the CH.

  633. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    Is he truculent enough for Burke?

  634. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Sorry I missed it. Type of day that this site relishes….

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  635. Storman, 30 June, 2014

    This sucks for Gorges,, but this has really elevated MB to another GM level,,using one of Pierre McGuire’s over used phrases,, MB just gets it..

  636. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    It will be shifted onto the ghost:

    “Gorges, 29, has played parts of eight seasons with the Canadiens and is two seasons into a six year deal which pays him $3.9 million per season, signed under former Habs GM Pierre Gauthier.”

    Read more: http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/josh-gorges-vetoes-trade-to-maple-leafs-report-1.1892906#ixzz3697VcoCv

  637. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Yes this could very well be the case.

  638. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Ugh…I hate own-goals. I wish they would call that something else. Just give the credit to the last French guy that touched it or something. (Of course, I also specialize in own goals so I have a vested interest in having them changed!)

  639. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    I got it. All that getting rid off Gorges is to shed salary in order to sign Bouillon to 3 years at 5 mil per.

  640. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    From his conversation with Stubbs, the talks with Toronto started Saturday at the draft.

  641. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Marc Antoine Godin –

    Josh Gorges : It’s out of my hands whether I’ll be back or not. But it’s my understanding it’s not going to be the case.

  642. fastfreddy, 30 June, 2014

    Too funny Timo!!!!!

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  643. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    I heard they wanted to free up room so they can sign Theodore again, E5

  644. Timo, 30 June, 2014

    So could Habs potentially be needing to replace 4 dmen? Gorges, Murray, Weaver and Bouillon? That’s a lot of (albeit crappy) defensemen.

  645. ClutchNGrab, 30 June, 2014

    Player re-signing because Montreal is his home.

    Free agents having the Habs on their short list of teams.

    Player not wanting to lift his no-trade clause.

    I like.

  646. fastfreddy, 30 June, 2014

    Could happen!!!!

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  647. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    latest buzz

  648. Big Buffy Boat Club, 30 June, 2014

    Gorges to the Ducks for a prospect no ones heard of and a 7th round pick.

    “Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.”

  649. Storman, 30 June, 2014

    MB was even ready to deal him to Toronto,, pretty much a done deal Gorges has played his last game as a Hab,, 24CH interviewing for another lets go boys band leader for next year.

  650. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    Thornton was done one and half years ago amigo. Scott tuned him up real good. Let’s make a play for Jay Rosehill! Saludos!

  651. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Good post. I am in no one’s camp for the ‘captaincy’ yet… as long as it passes from Gionta and isnt given to Gorges or Plekanec.

    Nothing againsT these individuals… just I like a more kick-arse attitude. As the British commentators say… these players play the game on their backfoot now.. due to age or shortcomings. And yes the ‘youngters’ will suffer the same fate too as they age.. but they deserved their chance NOW.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  652. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    I would keep the Dream

  653. habs_54321, 30 June, 2014

    any word on what was supposed too be coming the other way? Franson would have been nice righty for left.

  654. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Fans rarely think less of teams for this.

    But players do. A no-trade clause is worth money. If you give a NTC, it is often in lieu of a higher salary. Fans feel that Gorges is overpaid at $3.9 million per season. In reality, that is probably about right, factoring in the NTC. Mike Komisarek got $4.5 million. Anton Volchenkov got $4.25 million. Zbynek Michalek got $4.0 million. Niklas Hjalmarsson got $4.1 million.

    Bergevin knew the teams that were on Gorges’ NTC list, but he still asked him to waive it. When he didn’t, that sets the player up to look like the villain in the eyes of the fans.

    I’m not saying that Montreal did anything wrong…the leak came from the other side. But it still will come back to affect Montreal, and Bergevin will be very annoyed by that.

  655. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    MAB is also available.

  656. Storman, 30 June, 2014

    We are losing are best porn name player ever in Josh Engorges…

  657. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Not funny enough.

    Or even at all.

    Moving. Forward.

  658. Luke, 30 June, 2014

    Nonis is Dreger’s cousin.

    There is your leak.
    Nonis has loose lips to begin with. He uses Dreger to float his info. That Gorges turned down Toronto probably prompted Nonis to ‘spite’ leak it and make any return by Gorges improbable, while at the same time possibly lowering any return Montreal would get for him.

  659. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Maybe we’re trading him for Dick John$on.

    Moving. Forward.

  660. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    Not always easy to find a dance partner.

  661. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    Very well laid out here:

    PS, I was never a big Gorges fan (only because of his ridiculous Gomez like salary which btw was Gauthiers doing) so yes, I am happy to see MB let him go. MB is showing his leadership.

    Gorge scores more on Carey Price than anyone else…

    He will not be back

  662. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey’d On ®, 30 June, 2014

    Have fun in Buffalo.

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

  663. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    More Crankshaft!

  664. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    Chris as spoken Burly! I hope you learned something! ;-).

  665. johnnylarue, 30 June, 2014

    Whoa whoa–not Dick “Penis” John$son?? That guy’s awesome!

  666. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Free smoothies on MOI! Everyone chill.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  667. durocher, 30 June, 2014

    Fake Bob McKenzie: MTL trade Josh Gorges and 2nd round pick to WPG for Evander Kane. #Habs #Jets

  668. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    What bugs me in this Gorges ‘issue’ is that Bergevin and staff should have tried to deal with him by making calls on all 15 US teams two weeks before the entry draft started. Instead, they chose to make this decision on June 29th till right now, and time is running out till July 1st.

    This is poor management and this should not happen again!

  669. mdp2011, 30 June, 2014

    This could be am interesting day in Habs land.

    @GagnonFrancois: Le #CH travaille très fort pour échanger Daniel Brière. Il pourrait quitter Montréal dès aujourd’hui. Destination: Colorado! #Habs

  670. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    Oh, im glad we have our own insider in HIO that knows whats going on 24/7 with MB, since that would be the only way you would know he just starting making calls

  671. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    oh if only that was true lol

  672. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    This happened on Saturday at the draft. Just becoming public now.

  673. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    This Dick “Penis” John$son… better be hard to play against.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  674. The Jackal, 30 June, 2014

    Umm.. how do you know the Habs actually played it out like you say they did?

    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  675. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


    I am gonna run out of WOW’S!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  676. durocher, 30 June, 2014

    Maybe PA Parenteau coming back?

  677. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014


  678. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    A little bizarre how the Josh Gorges contract and status story is exploding now. I made a pithy observation this season, wondering what compensation he gets for housing Brendan Gallagher his first couple of seasons in Montréal. I figure he can’t get any compensation, that would be seen as a breach of the CBA, but wondered whether it made his No Trade Clause “even more iron-clad”, whether he’d again gone above and beyond and cemented his status as a core player.

    The fact that he’s commenting now on the situation shows that Bob McKenzie’s tweet didn’t just reflect that the Leafs enquired, were rebuffed, and someone at MLSE had loose lips. There’s more of a concerted effort from the Canadiens to move him, it’s not just other teams sniffing around.

    We remember how Josh’s contract happened, how he and Pierre Gauthier couldn’t come to terms on a long-term deal in 2011, so they hatched a one-year deal to put things off, and maybe see what the lay of the land was. He signed a $2.5M deal, and we all thought that was a bargain, and there was much handwringing that we were about to lose him as a UFA come July. We were in the throes of the Roman Hamrlik-Jaroslav Spacek era, Andrei Markov was injured, we couldn’t envision losing Josh at that time.

    Then the new contract was announced mid-way through the season, and we gasped at the amount, a not inconsiderable $3.9M, and the term, which at six years seemed like an eternity. Realists thought it was market value, and we’d made our bed by not agreeing to a deal earlier, we couldn’t do much better with a gun to our temple. The optimists tried to see the good side, how what looked like a huge amount would eventually seem quite reasonable as the cap went up.


    I like Josh, maybe more as a person than what he contributes, and like having him on my team, but at the time I couldn’t shake the feeling that we had been struck by ‘Leafs disease’, the symptoms of which are an average player being forced into a role more demanding than he should fill, and getting lots of press and hype as a result, then getting a contract out of proportion with the talent and potential of that player (for a recent example, see Bozak, Tyler).

    A couple of years went by, and it appeared that the ‘pill’, as difficult to swallow as it might have seemed at first, was going to down. Maybe we were more focused on the Tomas Kaberles and Scott Gomezes in the meantime, the guys who were getting paid obscene amounts of money in return for no value. Josh faded into the background.

    Now, with money needed for P.K. and Andrei and some enticing free agents on the market who’d do nicely here, Josh is caught in the spotlight again. Daniel Brière would seem to be a more likely candidate for this kind of attention, but it’s a surplus of leftie d-men we have, not a surplus of scoring forwards. Plus, Daniel’s contract is up next summer, Josh’s deal has an interminable four more years to go.

    We talked about players whose contracts “suck”, like Roberto Luongo found out, and Vincent Lecavalier, and many others. Josh’s agent rolled the dice and seemed to have come up sevens when he signed his big deal, but it’s now hurting his client. If he’d signed closer to a $3M deal, Josh would be a foundation player, a cost-effective piece who would draw only positive attention.

    We often talk about how the NHL is a business, and Josh is caught up in that now. A consideration is that the contract wasn’t signed by Marc Bergevin’s team, so he doesn’t feel any compunction in shopping the player, it’s not an admission of a mistake on his part. All we can hope is that he lands somewhere out West, closer to his beloved Kelowna, where he can play an integral role and have success.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  679. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    Oh that’s cute! Maybe in this case, Gorges should ask for a trade to go back to San Jose for Jumbo Joe Thornton :P

  680. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    That would likely mean Parenteau coming back

  681. Chuck Kept Calm and Carey’d On ®, 30 June, 2014

    Bergevin would be completely familiar with Gorges’ no-trade clause, so why then would he try to initiate a trade with one of the 15 teams that Josh wouldn’t go to?

    This sounds like the Leafs wanted Gorges, made an offer that Bergevin would accept, and then Bergevin asked Josh to OK the move, which he was within his rights to decline.

    What’s the big deal here?

    Hab fans want choice! Sign the petition to give us back our games!

  682. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Ecklund’s got Briere as a done deal. hmmm..

  683. Harditya, 30 June, 2014

    Wow indeed..

  684. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    lol – this is incredible if true. MB making schnit happen!

  685. mdp2011, 30 June, 2014

    @renlavoietva: PA Parenteau échangé au Canadien contre Daniel Brière. #canadiens #avalanche #tvasports

  686. Habilis, 30 June, 2014

    So does McKenzie now. Parenteau.

    Eklund getting one right is now the biggest story of the day though. ;)

    I like this deal.

  687. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    WOW!! (that’s for Trini)

    Actually it’s kinda meh. But we needed help on the wing.

  688. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    I feel a little bit bad for Gorges, he has been a good team guy, especially with taking in Gallagher. But it is a business, and he seems like the obvious odd man out on the left now that Markov is resigned.

    I am glad Bergevin is willing to waive him to get the cap space if he has a free agent targeted. Better to get the player you need rather than stick with a player you don’t, even if you don’t get the ideal return on the asset.

  689. Haberoooo13, 30 June, 2014


    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  690. habs_54321, 30 June, 2014

    well there’s our missing RW that was needed now too find a RD

  691. B, 30 June, 2014

    Tinordi’s only a middle weight?

    –Go Habs Go!–

  692. B, 30 June, 2014

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie

    MTL acquires P.A Parenteau from COL. I believe Daniel Briere is headed to COL in return.

    Edit: Sorry, I now see that this trade has already been posted below.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  693. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    How does a team get bigger, not sign Gionta and Trade Briere, WOW good job MB

  694. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    Gionta replacement and Briere out in one move.

  695. Harditya, 30 June, 2014


  696. Mr. Biter, 30 June, 2014

    IMO the lower than expected cap for next year is probably the reason that Georges has suddenly being shopped. Hope the keep Weaver as the 6/7 d-man and he’s a low cap hit.
    Also Budda may be dealt to save approx. $800,000 by bringing up Toker for the back up role.
    Tomorrow may be an interesting day.

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  697. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Canadiens Montréal ✔ @CanadiensMTL

    Canadiens acquire Pierre-Alexandre Parenteau and a 5th round pick in 2015 from Colorado, for Daniel Brière.->> http://goha.bs/1r73UX4

  698. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014


  699. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    An old player, past his prime, for a soft player with TWO years remaining. Seems like a wash. At least PA plays RW.

  700. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    Avs dumping salary.

    Moving. Forward.

  701. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    Deal makes sense, Montreal gets slightly biger.younger..eat one more year of contract at same money, Col gets mentor…Brier will likely look after one of the kdis on the road…and he gets to go to a good team. I like it…win win…2 years for what should be about a 20 gaol/45-55 point guy is ok.

  702. Mr. Biter, 30 June, 2014

    “Stiff as a Rock”

    Mr. Biter
    No Guts No Glory

  703. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014


    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  704. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    Seems like a great return for Briere. I don’t understand what Colorado has planned for him though, they are deep down the middle.

  705. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    I like Parenteau a $4M/2 years more than I like Briere at $4M/1 year.

    GO MB!!!!

  706. SPATS, 30 June, 2014

    As of now, yes. He needs to gain confidence, weight and strength

  707. careysubban3176, 30 June, 2014

    If Gorges is let go then you have PK, Markov, and Emelin that are signed and NHL proven. You then have Beaulieu and Tinoridi with at least one of those being assigned to play top 4 minutes which may or may not be a good thing for their development plus needing to sign another D-man. If you keep Gorges there is your starting 6 with your 2 young and talented D-men being paired with 2 veteran players as Markov will probably take on more of a mentor role as he’s getting older. I’m telling you letting go of Gorges will be a very bad thing especially come playoff time.

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  708. Haberoooo13, 30 June, 2014

    disagree…PAP is better than Danny at this stage

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  709. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    They have the same salary. I don’t get it from Colorado’s position unless they plan to flip him again.

  710. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    The 5th-rounder is the clincher here. We can stock up on another smallish slick forward with it, another Gallagher-Hudon-Audette type, so we’ll only feel the pain of Daniel Brière leaving for one season.

  711. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    Parenteau is highly overrated in this neck of the woods. Nevertheless, this is a good deal for Montreal.

  712. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Bergevin can be annoyed at it, but I disagree this makes the Habs look bad. Agents and players know this is a business, and at times things happen that aren’t as planned. So long as MB is professional in how he is treating Gorges, I see nothing bad. I also think I am mature enough that the fan in me can look at the situation objectively.

    I have nothing against Gorges, I like him, but I can see the reason for MB wanting to changeup the makeup of his defence.

  713. DipsyDoodler, 30 June, 2014

    PAP is signed for two more years.

    Moving. Forward.

  714. bwoar, 30 June, 2014

    The fact that we got an extra 5th rounder narrowly puts the deal in our favour. The extra year on PAP’s contract accounts for the difference in performance.

  715. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Great trade for HABS… in every department.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  716. Haberoooo13, 30 June, 2014

    If Gorges (or when) how much are the odds of Bou or Weave ( my names for them because we’re close pals) increased of resigning?

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  717. dr. schmutzdeker, 30 June, 2014


  718. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    No question. Bigger, more determined, and equally as effective offensively. Just look at his numbers. 33 points if 55 games last year vs. 25 in 69 for Briere. Granted he was probably in a better situation, but he’ll be a nice RW compliment for someone. Maybe DD and Pacioretty.

    Good move!

  719. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    I would agree with you if Gorges was a rightie, but they have too many left handed defensemen. Better to dump Gorges and plug the hole on the right with a different veteran and you have a nicer balance on D. Also allows Emelin to move back to the left where he is much better.

  720. dr. schmutzdeker, 30 June, 2014

    Agree…kinda (not sold on PAP)

  721. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Thanks LOL!

    I dont agree it’s meh though… on paper you not getting much difference but I think the change of scenery will mean more to Parenteau and HABS than Briere and Col.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  722. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    Think he got the pick mixed up, I think it was our 5th to them

  723. Phil C, 30 June, 2014

    Yeah, I guess it helps them next year.

  724. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    Briere might benefit from a more run-and-gun style. Colorado frees up space the following year as well.

  725. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    Hes taller then Briere and younger, and the same cap hit.

  726. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    I didn’t say he wasn’t. I said he’s soft. Both players carried baggage. Briere was old, small and past his prime. Further, he couldn’t find a role in the lineup. PA is younger and bigger, but can be soft and has an extra year attached to his deal at an equal $4 million.

    As I said before this move, if we were going to get rid of Briere, we’d need to take on salary. We were willing to, so the deal got done. Time will tell if it works out or not. If it means Gionta is gone, then I’m happy, not because I don’t like Gio, but because he’s a fraction of his former self.

  727. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Increased especially for Weaver.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  728. Prop, 30 June, 2014

    This whole Gorges thing was a smokescreen for the Briere/Paranteau trade. Shrewd Bergevin… very shrewd…


  729. krob1000, 30 June, 2014

    For 4 million Habs were gettin Briere playing a handful of minutes adn on the 4th line ( I feel wasn;’t used correctly but with MT back this was going to happen) …this wayy with that 4 million team just got a viable 2nd line winger.maybe even a guy who can slot in with DD and patch and allow team to get another good RW. This may even meaning an affordable Gio is more acceptable. The fact MTL gets another pick is a bonus too for the extra year. There is still a hole on the RW…i still suspect Habs target another RW.

  730. HabFab, 30 June, 2014

    Optimistic bugger too!

  731. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    With the talent at center which Colorado has, I could see Briere doing well in Colorado. Perhaps both players are now in situations which are a better fit for both.

  732. habs_54321, 30 June, 2014

    anyone know what toronto was supposed too send back for gorges?

  733. dr. schmutzdeker, 30 June, 2014

    I s’pose (and I was never sold on Briere)…bottom line…obviously MB knows a lot more ’bout what needs to be done than I. (udderwise we’re in big trouble)

  734. Mike D, 30 June, 2014

    Would have preferred McGinn to Parenteau but I guess it’s an upgrade, albeit slight.

    What a wacky day in Habsland…all the Gorges scuttlebutt but then all of a sudden it’s Briere that’s traded. And the day ain’t over yet!

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  735. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Funny, sad and true all at the same time!

  736. Haberoooo13, 30 June, 2014

    I concur….right handed guy (Weave) vs a coach favorite (bou)

    Lafleur coming out rather gingerly…

  737. UKRAINIANhab, 30 June, 2014


  738. careysubban3176, 30 June, 2014

    Plus playing Emelin with PK means he plays on his natural side as well.
    Mind just blown that we got P.A. Parenteau and got rid of Briere. Heck just getting rid of Briere is a plus

    Stop blaming the goaltender! He can only do so much.

  739. Trollhunter, 30 June, 2014

    When colorado drafted Bleackley (And the non stop cussing began on my part because he wouldn`t be there at 26 for our Glorieux) Patrick said in an interview they plan to use him on the right wing. My guess is it will be the same for Briere. They are too stacked down the middle. Especially if Stastny is re-signed

    S G

  740. jols, 30 June, 2014

    They get the 5th round pick not us.

  741. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    McGinn is a beauty. Colorado won’t part with him easily. Certainly not for Briere.

  742. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    @TIMO… How many times do I have to tell you I do NOT have any more “I LUV MB” buttons. Stop emailing me!

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  743. Grimmly, 30 June, 2014

    nope TSN was wrong, its fixed, we got it :)

  744. Mike D, 30 June, 2014

    Agree completely…sorry if my post came across as thinking Briere for McGinn was a viable option. I knew it wasn’t.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  745. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    It’s on a day like today that I wish Shane O’Brien was a rightie.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  746. HabinBurlington, 30 June, 2014

    Nope, we get it.


    I don’t think P.A. Parenteau is a steal per se, but I think a good move by MB.

  747. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    HiB: You will look at the situation objectively. But a lot of fans aren’t anywhere close to being as mature in their fandom as you are. We’re both in Southern Ontario…I’m sure you remember the mess with the Leafs’ Muskoka 5 and how the fans turned on those guys. It was pretty painful to watch, and very unfair to those players.

    I don’t think it gets that bad with Gorges unless he returns to play next season, as he doesn’t have anything like the profile that Sundin and Kaberle had. But fanbases are fickle things.

    I’m not disagreeing that trading Gorges would be a good move (I was operating on the idea that one of Gorges or Emelin would be traded this season, but I admittedly thought it would be closer to the deadline or next summer. I couldn’t see Bergevin going with all of Tinordi, Emelin, and Gorges on the blue line for any length of time, as not one of them has any offensive skill to speak of.

    I just wish that all this stuff wasn’t coming out in the media, and I’m sure Bergevin is angry that it did.

  748. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    Thank you for reminding me why I will never attend a HI/O Summit.

  749. jols, 30 June, 2014

    Nice. Not a big deal but maybe we find a diamond in the rough.

  750. Say Ash, 30 June, 2014

    Bye bye, Gionta.

  751. Cal, 30 June, 2014

    As you can probably tell, I’ve been waiting to hear about a Gorges trade for a while. So here it is, Gorges Boy

    EDIT: So now they trade Brière? Holy Bleep!

  752. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    MTL has eleven forwards currently under contract, with Eller and White as RFA’s. If both signed, that would give them 13 forwards who played at the NHL level last year, several of which should be better simply by way of experience and another summer of workouts.

    Seems like the Habs are in a position of strength and that only significant upgrades need be pursued from here on out. No need to sign anyone just to fill a hole in the roster. I like it a lot.

  753. Hobie, 30 June, 2014

    I wanted him too, several years ago. Seems he has fallen out of favor very quickly with each team he plays for. I would imagine Beaulieu, Tinordi or Pateryn is a better option than he is at this point.

    It’s been documented that O’Brien is a party animal off the ice and it shows in his play. I’ve read several articles on that.

  754. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    I remember I think probably back in February or March last season, before the playoffs that Brière was not happy by the way MT was using him and how he got less ice time. I’m not surprised that Parenteau will eventually come here.

  755. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    Briere had no chance of playing in the top 6 while Parenteau has a shot. A top 6 RW scorer who is RH. Not physical but partially fills a Habs need while sacrificing a player who never had a place expect on the 4th line in the playoffs. Surprised they could not have dumped Briere onto the Sabres but I guess Daniel wanted to play for a contender.

  756. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Same here that ship has sailed.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  757. jols, 30 June, 2014

    I like that Briere is gone. He was an expensive 4th liner but I’m not sold on PA Parenteau. Hope he works out well. Seems to get injured a lot.

  758. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    He could easily end up in the same spot as Briere if he does not work hard. We will see…

  759. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Not at all. I’d love to have him on our team. I’ve watched him since he starred for the Ottawa 67’s, ten years ago. Cheers, CJ

  760. habstrinifan, 30 June, 2014

    Sound analysis.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:


  761. chilli, 30 June, 2014

    Good trade for both. No steals in this league anymore – just a matter of what direction a team is going. All these GM’s know what they are getting in return.
    PA makes us better. Not by a huge margin, but better.

    Read this a few weeks ago – an article on why the Habs should go after PA P…..

    PA scored 43 points in 48 games during the lockout shortened campaign. With Ryan O’reilly back in the lineup full time this year after holding out for much of the 2013 season, and Nathan MacKinnon joining the roster, Parenteau’s role was cut back a bit this year. He still posted 33 points in 55 games, and the most impressive stat of his season was that 30 of his 33 points came at even strength.

    When Vanek joined the Canadiens this season, he helped spread out their offense and made them a much better team at 5 on 5. They always had a great power play, and with Max Pacioretty, P.K. Subban and Brendan Gallagher returning, that should not change in the near future. What they needed was someone who can score when the other team has five skaters on the ice.

    Vanek scored 2.63 points per 60 minutes of 5 on 5 ice time this season, which ranked 7th in the league. Parenteau ranked 54th in the entire league at 2.07 points per 60 minutes of even strength ice time. The highest ranked player that played the whole season in Montreal was Pacioretty who averaged exactly 2.0 points per 60.

    Parenteau will make the Canadiens a much better team at even strength. Teams that are great at even strength, tend to be the best teams in the league. Last season the best teams at 5 on 5 were the Boston Bruins, Anaheim Ducks, Los Angeles Kings, Chicago Blackhawks and St. Louis Blues.

    The top 5 on 5 teams in the Eastern Conference were the President’s Trophy winning Boston Bruins, the Tampa Bay Lightning and the New York Rangers. Interestingly, they were the three teams Montreal faced in the playoffs, but they were able to knock off the Lightning and Bruins because Vanek helped balance out their even strength attack. Vanek was not a scoring machine throughout the series, but the Bruins keyed in on Vanek because he is such a dangerous 5 on 5 scorer, and this made the Habs other lines better.

    Parenteau’s 2.07 points per 60 is no fluke, as he averages 1.98 points per 60 over the past three seasons. He would be a great addition to a line with Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk, or even on the top line with David Desharnais and Pacioretty which would allow for an “EGG” line reunion. He could even slot in on a line with Tomas Plekanec if head coach Michel Therrien wanted to try it out. That’s what happens when you have a great even strength player, he can play on any line and still be successful.


  762. B, 30 June, 2014

    I can see where he lacks experience, but not size IMO (6’6″ 227 lbs at last season’s camp weigh in).

    –Go Habs Go!–

  763. Big Buffy Boat Club, 30 June, 2014

    I think PA’s been .75 ppg last 4 years. Probably a better stat then anyone on our roster.

    “Crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of the women.”

  764. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    It looks like Plekanec might stay here. Since Galchenyuk has now the space to be used as a 2nd or 3rd line centre. The next move might be is to get a LW to compliment the top 6. Plus, another LD to have a pairing for Subban.

  765. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    DD just became the Habs spokesman for McDonalds…

  766. Chris, 30 June, 2014

    His younger brother Brock is looking like he’s going to be the best of the lot. Man can that kid hit like a ton of bricks…I have no idea where it comes from, because he really isn’t that big or heavy.

    I like all the McGinn’s…those kids have a lot of heart.

  767. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    The good thing about the P.A. Parenteau trade is that he’s a right wing, and happy to play there. Gaston Therrien on RDS repeated all season long that Daniel Brière was signed with the understanding that he’d be on RW, but wasn’t effective or happy there, he preferred playing centre. Which was fine to a point, it allowed the coaches options when injuries struck, and he was right-handed, the only centre other than Ryan White who could take draws on the right side, optimally, in the defensive zone.

    We now have another right wing to play in our Top 6, to step in for Thomas Vanek, and don’t have Daniel Brière somewhat miscast as as fourth-line centre. That role can now fall to Ryan White, Brandon Prust, even Gabriel Dumont. So a better allocation of personnel on hand.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  768. JUST ME, 30 June, 2014

    That`s a fair deal isn`t it ? Briere did the job in the playoffs as advertised but some wanted more, less schmurfs and so on and so on.
    Parenteau as been mentioned as an interresting candidate to wear the bleu-blanc-rouge, same cap hit, 2 year left in his deal. I like that Bergevin comes out of nowhere with unexpected trades and pleasant surprises.

  769. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    If Gorges is on the table, chances are most are available for the right price.

  770. Chelios24, 30 June, 2014

    I bet you Parenteau is still slightly injured or an injury risk, which is why Colorado threw in the 5th round pick

  771. Arnou Ruelle, 30 June, 2014

    Anybody of you guys have this suspicion that RDS is the snitch in leaking all the Habs’ moves? hmmm….. ;)

  772. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    Another factor to consider is that P.A. Parenteau is good friends with David Desharnais. They never played together, but are both former Chicoutimi Saguenéens, and met in alumni events. Maybe these two can spark up some magic like David has with Max.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  773. L Elle, 30 June, 2014

    Allan Walsh ‏@walsha · 2m ·

    PA Parenteau has been traded to the Montreal Canadiens. Boyhood dream come true.


    @walsha @ArponBasu Oh no are you his agent? F$CK! A thought we had a rule against this… #herecomethegallaghersuckstweetsfromWalsh


  774. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    I agree Chris. Jamie, while in Ottawa, played at another level. There was never any doubt he would be a productive NHLer. I get the same feeling watching Jeremie Gregoire.

    I am much less certain about Charles Hudon.

  775. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    Bergevin should have asked for Bordeleau instead of the 5th rounder.

  776. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    From earlier today:

    The forward re-org is more straightforward. Here’s my wishlist*:
    1. move Briere, buyout if necessary
    2. sign RW – Iggy (Vrbata)
    3. sign 4th line C – Goc (Moore, Boyle, McClement)

    MB trying to complete my wish list in 2 moves or less! :)

    1 and 2, check!

  777. adesbarats, 30 June, 2014

    What is Parenteau’s cap hit? Anyone know?

  778. Mike D, 30 June, 2014

    Perhaps lost in all this mess is the (hopefully) higher likelihood that Ryan White is retained as Briere was the only other RH center we had.

    Maybe my bias is affecting my perception of reality, but I like Whitey.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  779. jols, 30 June, 2014

    My biggest question from everything that has happened so far today – what were the Leafs offering in return for Gorges?

    Sadly, I don’t think we will ever know.

  780. Cal, 30 June, 2014

    $4mil until 2016.


  781. Mike D, 30 June, 2014

    4mil – same as Briere’s.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  782. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Strange boyhood dream for Walsh to have, no?

  783. Forum Dog, 30 June, 2014

    Parenteau is not physical, but he has enough jam to compete on the top-six. Check his PIMs in lower levels of hockey and they demonstrate a guy who will get in there and mix things up. Which is more than Briere showed when he was in MTL. I could see PAP scoring 20 on a wing with Pacioretty and Desharnais, freeing Gallagher up to play on Chucky or Eller’s right side.

  784. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    I think they threw in the pick because of the second year that PA carries. It’s as much about salary and term as it is the actual asset. Teams simply do not want to carry extra costs on the balance sheet. IMO, there’s no doubt that PA is the better player, but don’t discount the cost associated with the term and dollar value attached to the contract. Just my two cents….

  785. Cal, 30 June, 2014

    New thread.

  786. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    I think MB has an upgrade in mind. Just a hunch, and a hope (see my wishlist below).

    edit: I don’t think this relates to Whitey not being signed yet. MB was going to move Briere one way or another, so I don’t think the trade changes much.

  787. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Nope. Its cuz of the two year contract vs one.
    Also – Briere gets it done in the playoffs and the Avs choked last year.
    To me – great move by the habs….a total WIN for Bergy…..we get size and a better goal scorer…..extra year of cap hit….who cares….we unloaded Briere who doesn’t do ANYTING in the regular season…..and is VERY SOFT…..
    Feel horrible to Gorges…..he has to be moved now….agreed – he can’t go back in the dressing room now…..but geez Bergy don’t trade him to the Leafs….Gorges wears our CH with pride…..he HATES the leafs and rightfully so…..just like why would he want to go to the Bruins…..they all hate the B’s…..not impressed with the LEAK at all…..bush league…..

  788. L Elle, 30 June, 2014


  789. ProHabs, 30 June, 2014

    Can Parenteau drop the mitts and fights. I see by his stats that he had 89PIM with the Islanders a couple of years ago and 142 with Hartford of the AHL years ago.

  790. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    he might have….

  791. DDO_Habs_Fan, 30 June, 2014

    The only criticism I have of MB is he should have realized Gorges would never go to the Leafs who are a gong show.

    I suspect there is more to the Gorges trade attempts than just salary/performance. The leadership group is changing in the room and Gorges may not have been crazy about it. I have a feeling management is going to go “all in” with PK next season and will make him the captain. Don’t think Gorges would be happy with that.

  792. B, 30 June, 2014

    The Habs now have 4 sub 6 foot players on their NHL roster: Bournival (5’11”), Desharnais (5’7″), Gallagher (5’9″) and Plekanec (5’11”). All forwards.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  793. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Wholeheartedly agree.

    I think passing on White would be a mistake. Mind you, White is one of my three favorite players, so I’m likely biased. I’d have no issue passing on Whitey (team comes first), if it became a numbers game and there were others better then him. IMO, that’s not the case. Not to drag this out too long, but looking back on the playoffs we really needed fresh legs against the Rangers. I wanted White in, to bump Briere up to the third unit, leading to a scratch of either Vanek or Gionta. The Wild benched Moulson, so I don’t see why we couldn’t have sat Vanek.

    Lastly, White was part of our best fourth line I’ve seen the team ice in years White-Weise-Bournival. That in itself should be enough to retain his services.

  794. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Where do you see or get that Parenteau gets hurt a lot?
    Look at his stats and games played since he has been in the NHL. He got hurt last year that is it. Unless I AM MISSING something and can’t read. GREAT pick up by Bergy……I would call this hi-way robbery but Briere is awesome in the playoffs so won’t go there. I’ll just leave it as – its a steal for the Habs. For us to even get a 5th rounder to stock up on our D at the deadline again – WOW. Sakic and Roy must have hit the bottle a bit early for Canada Day! They got jobbed by Bergy today. I’ll take the extra year of this contract ANY day of the week. We have a top six winger with size…..PERFECT fit for Pacman and Desharnais. Hopefully this means we let Gionta walk as well…rumor has it we ARE letting him go.

  795. Un Canadien errant, 30 June, 2014

    Lots of talk about No Trade Clauses this morning, how they don’t make any sense, should never be awarded to players other than a Sidney Crosby or Jonathan Toews.

    Sure, some GM”s get hoodwinked, but what often happens is that a player will accept less money, give up the ‘hometown discount’, in return for a NTC, an assurance that he doesn’t have to leave a city and team he loves.

    Curtis Glencross is a great example, he’s an Alberta boy through and through, grew up in ranch country, now owns his own ranch. His in-laws own a ranch. His parents still have a ranch. He loves the cowboy lifestyle. So he signed a sweetheart deal to play with the Flames, with the understanding that he’d never have to leave, that he could mind his place and help out at his family’s ranches.

    Same with Ryan Kesler. Mike Gillis, for all that he’s been criticized, was very good at retaining his players who were about to go UFA, and doing so at reasonable deals. The understanding for the players was that they’d be with a group and coach they liked, and a contending team, so to remain in Vancouver held value for them. They gave up a little money to stay in Vangroovy.

    Unfortunately, Mr. Gillis whiffed on a few trades and UFA signings, and the team headed downhill. The players now had to contend with John Tortorella. And they apparently would have to play through a rebuild.

    So you can see how Ryan Kesler would approach Mike Gillis and say: “Yo, dude. I didn’t sign up for this.”

    So yeah, I agree in general that GM’s should refrain from handing out NTC’s. Marc Bergevin has been relatively successful in doing so.


    Yes, Pierre Gauthier flubbed this one, signed the Gorges deal under duress, but nowadays these No Trade Clauses are the cost of doing business, the going rate. Josh asked for it, received it, and we can’t blame him for being greedy about it.

    If anything, that he turned down a trade to the Leafs makes him rise in my esteem even more.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  796. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    Anyone else see Dreger’s tweet regarding Mike Ribeiro? The Flames offered the 12th overall pick for Ribs, but he wouldn’t waive his NTC. So, instead of saving the cost of the buyout, and receiving the 12th overall pick, the Yotes bought him out with no compensation. That’s a major hit and loss of asset.

    You can bet that NTC won’t be so easily negotiated going forward.

  797. Ozmodiar, 30 June, 2014

    Yes, you mentioned that 2 years ago. No need to repeat, i heard you the 1st time. ;)

  798. CJ, 30 June, 2014


  799. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Why are U saying EGG line?
    Bourque with Eller was amazing this past playoff were they not? Leave Bouque with Eller. Throw Prust on this line or Bournival even though Bourney is a left winger.
    Put Gallagher with Galchenyuk and Plekanec.
    our 4th line needs to get bigger….White will be gone as will Moen.
    We are going to sign Ott or Boyle of the Rangers…..this would be a perfect case scenario for us…..then Boyle and Prust can be together again.
    Robidas is coming to Montreal…..he will be our right handed D cuz Weaver is being too greedy in his TERM……shocked at this but I am ok with Robidas for sure as long as we don’t over pay in dollars….nothing more than $2.5 for HIM.
    Sad to see Gorges go.

  800. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    We are all assuming that Montreal initiated the deal with Toronto. Maybe MB made Gorge available to all 29 teams. The Leafs made an offer, which prompted MB to reach out to Gorges asking if he’d waive/modify his NTC.

    It’s a business and sometimes unpopular choices are made for the betterment of the organization. I’m almost certain that Gorges, knowing he’s being shopped, will lessen his trade restrictions. There’s nothing worse than not being wanted. He may not agree to Toronto, but I’d bet the number of teams has expanded.

    Just my two cents…. CJ

  801. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Stastny is gone from the Avs. Book it. He’ll get $7 M plus on the open market and nothing wrong with going to St Louis. Heck to me they are better than the Avs regardless…..Avs D suck! Not convinced on their goalie either even though Roy is and knows a lot more than me about that position and hockey in general…..he could be blowing smoke also on his goalie…..Avs would be stupid to pick Stastny over O’Reilly any how…..which is what they’ll have to do if they keep all the centres and high end guys…..

  802. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    Jake Gardiner according to my sources.

  803. habsr4ever, 30 June, 2014

    I think White is gone…we want more speed….I like him too especially with a $700ish cap hit…..this year though i think we’ll have to give him closer to a Million….not sure if White is worth that? He has improved and worked so hard….I watched him here in Calgary with the Hitmen….love the guy….but he can’t score….can’t skate…..yikes? time to try out another young guy…..I would even put Bournival at centre…..to me this is an upgrade BIG TIME. I do think we are going after boyle or ott…perhaps I am bias and wishful thinking…..just saying I think we go in a different direction with White this year UNLESS we strike out in the UFA market….only then will we bring back and sign Whitey again. which isn’t the END of the world but we need more speed and a player who can score more than 10 at centre on our fourth line….just what me thinks…..grit is great but come on – can’t be missing wide open nets game in game out….

  804. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    You articulated my position on White almost to a “T”.

  805. HairyHabist, 30 June, 2014

    Parenteau and a pick for Briere works. But the Gorges story makes no sense to me.

    Was Gorges responding to an actual request from Bergevin? Or was he responding to reporters’ questions?

    If Gorges expanded his availability to include a couple more Canadian teams as TSN says, you’d think Toronto would be one of them.

    But why would MB trade a veteran Dman like Gorges when he’s looking at having 3 Bulldogs on his blue line next season?

    Who would Toronto be willing to trade that would make that deal worthwhile?

    The story originated in Toronto, but notice there’s no Leaf player’s name attached to the other side of the deal.

    Until Bergevin acknowledges it, I have trouble believing it.

  806. frontenac1, 30 June, 2014

    Oh Danny Boy,the pipes,the pipes are calling. From Glen to Glen and down the mountainside.

  807. habs-fan-84, 30 June, 2014

    Actually, his skating is quite good.

  808. CJ, 30 June, 2014

    White has above average to excellent fourth line speed.

  809. HairyHabist, 30 June, 2014

    They originally said the Habs were shopping Gorges. Now they’re saying Shanahan is urging Gorges to accept a trade to Toronto.

    But this story started in the Toronto media and there’s still no word on who Bergevin wanted in return. Which makes me think the entire thing is just media bullshit.

  810. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Subban did want closer to $5 million and 4 or 5 years, That way he would be a UFA at the end. Bergevin pushed for the bridge.


  811. Habfan17, 30 June, 2014

    Lernout could become another Lyle Odelein! Who wouldn’t want an Odelein?


  812. Mattyleg, 30 June, 2014

    Ah, sources.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

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