Habs sign Weise to two-year contract

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin announced on Tuesday that forward Dale Weise has been signed to a two-year contract that will take him through the 2015-16 season. The deal will pay him $1 million per season.

The Canadiens acquired Weise from the Vancouver Canucks on Feb. 3 in exchange for defenceman Raphael Diaz. In 17 regular-season games with the Canadiens he posted 3-1-4 totals, giving him 6-10-16 totals in 61 games overall. In 16 playoff games with the Canadiens, the 25-year-old Weise had 3-4-7 totals, including two game-winning goals.

“The acquisition of Dale Weise contributed to the success of our team this season,” Bergevin said in a statement on the team’s website. “A young veteran with a lot of character, Dale is an intense player with a strong work ethic. We’re very pleased to have him as part of our team moving forward.”

Said Weise on the team’s website: “I’m so excited to be coming back to Montreal. I think everybody knows that I’m very excited to be a part of the Montreal Canadiens. This is where I want to be. To get a deal done so early in the summer was big for me. A two-year deal gives some nice security for me and my family. I’m really looking forward to getting back there and getting back at it.”

Weise added: “When I got to Montreal, Michel Therrien had a one-on-one meeting with me right away. He said that even though he didn’t know a lot about me, he knew after the first couple of games that I could be a guy who could make a difference with my speed. He told me not to be a guy who was content with just chipping the puck in and chipping the puck out. He said I could do more, and that he believed in me. I think that’s the biggest thing. Right from the get go, he believed that I could do more than just chip the puck out and chip it in. Just having that confidence that he instilled in me really went a long way.”

The Winnipeg native was selected by the New York Rangers in the fourth round (111th overall) at the 2008 NHL entry draft. He is coming off a one-year, $750,000 contract and could have become a restricted free agent on July 1.

Weise was one of four restricted free agents GM Bergevin had on his agenda. The others are P.K. Subban, Lars Eller and Ryan White.

Captain Brian Gionta and defencemen Andrei Markov, Francis Bouillon and Mike Weaver are all slated to become unrestricted free agents on July 1.

On Monday, TSN’s Bob McKenzie reported that Markov is looking for a three-year deal worth $18 million. On Wednesday, Markov’s agent, Sergei Berezin, told ESPN.com via text: “No news. I don’t expect anything to happen anytime soon. But you never know.”

While no official announcement has been made, the Canadiens have decided not to offer contracts to their three other unrestricted free agents, Thomas Vanek, George Parros and Douglas Murray.

(Photo by John Mahoney/The Gazette)

Weise earning it all, Canadiens.com

Canadiens’ salary-cap chart, capgeek.com

Why Markov wants – and will get – three years and $18 million, The Hockey News

Habs’ off-season game plan, TSN.ca

Habs prospect McCarron invited to U.S. junior evaluation camp, London Free Press

Habs listed at 20-1 odds to win Cup next season, Stu on Sports blog

When will Carbonneau’s defensive greatness be recognized, The Hockey News

Kings prove that size matters in today’s NHL, Stu on Sports blog




  1. keithmacv says:

    Kooch… Gallagher, Galchenyuk, and Tokarski for Evander Kane??? Are you on drugs? Maybe Patrick Kane….

    • Kooch7800 says:

      …that isn’t what I wrote

    • krob1000 says:

      I think he said Gallagher OR Chucky along with Tokarski.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        You are correct Krob. I am not saying we should trade anyone for Kane but if we really wanted Kane it would take a significant asset. Kane is young, physical and can score. You won’t get him for Josh Gorges and Bourque. It would take a significant package to make the Peg move on him.

        I personally don’t think Kane goes anywhere. They need him playing in the West

  2. veryhabby says:

    So now I know why no UFA’s have signed with their teams. According to what I’m reading in these posts below, teams can now start talking with other team’s UFA’s as of June 25th.

    First off this makes me laugh cause we all know that the top UFAs this happens all the time. No way these guys gets signed minutes after UFA market opens unless they have already had talks. Anyways, now everyone can do it without pretending it doesn’t happen.

    I have no doubt many teams will contact Markov’s agent. This will drive up the price as many will say no prob to matching his request, while others will up it. He will be one of the most sought after UFA dmen this year. I think MB has to sign him prior to June 25th or it may cost us more.

    As for Gio, now I know why he is waiting and hasn’t accepted MTl’s offer yet. MTL offered him a contract with a “new role”, which I am sure the cash will also be lower. Why say yes now when you can wait another week and see if other teams are interested or not. And if interested, if they have “bigger role” for you.

    Players have so much power in the UFA market, it’s not even funny.

  3. Un Canadien errant says:

    The first annual Potential Apparel Charity Hockey Game will be held July 25, 2014 at the Pacific Coliseum. The charity game will bring together a roster of outstanding all star professional hockey players including Mike Santorelli, Ryan Johansen, Brendan Gallagher, Edler, Victor Barley, Morgan Rielly, Andrew Cogliano, Martin Jones and many more.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  4. Un Canadien errant says:

    Brad Treliving, the Calgary GM, says he never made the reported offer for Jason Spezza, and that he’s still talking to Mike Cammalleri and trying to get a deal done, although hopes are slim.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    From: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=455008


    …David Staples of The Edmonton Journal suggests that the Oilers could look into acquiring Kane for another winger who may benefit from a change in scenery.

    “Would a Nail Yakupov for Kane deal make sense?,” he wrote. “A risk for a risk?

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Comment from this article:

      brennn 1 day ago

      Oilers and Leafs fans are hilarious. Memo: NOBODY wants Gagner or Phaneuf at ANY price with their awful contracts, and they certainly won’t fetch you a star player.

      We should take heed, when we try to swap Josh Gorges for a frontline player.

      • Un Canadien errant says:


        johnny canuck2 12 hours ago

        Only Kane for both Clarkson and Reimer? C’mon ‘burkesbrawlers’, the Jets should toss in Wheeler and Buff as well. Don’t sell those Leaf All-Stars short.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          And this one:

          glove_21 2 hours ago
          Tokarski,Borque and 1st round pick for Kane and a 2nd


          • Kooch7800 says:

            would take Gallagher or Chucky and Toker to get Kane…..

            The Jets don’t want to trade Kane unless they get a deal that blows their socks off

    • bwoar says:

      That would make zero sense for the Jets. I would continue to take any item that has Kane leaving Winnipeg with a huge grain of salt, if not outright contempt. (I get that this is just a writer thinking ‘out loud’ in a column.)

      • Kooch7800 says:

        Kane is a good hockey player and I highly doubt he leaves the Peg. He has big upside and I think will score over 30 goals a season while playing physical.

        If the Habs want Kane they would need to give up a player like Gallagher or Chucky…..don’t see it happening

        • Forum Dog says:

          Considering he’s already potted 30 once, has averaged close to that pace so far during his NHL career, and is still only 22 years old shows just how high his ceiling is. Between that and his physical game (averages almost 200 hits/season), I can’t imagine why Winnipeg would want to trade him. I mean, I know he has some “maturity” issues, but like I said, the kid is 22.

          If he truly is available, MB should seriously consider doing what it takes to acquire him. All in my opinion of course….

          EDIT: Sorry for the weird duplicate post. It wasn’t there, and then it was…

          • Kooch7800 says:

            You are correct i meant to say 30 goals regularly. You are bang on though, I can’t see why the Peg would trade him cause he is young and with his style he has about another 6 or 7 good years in him (then the injuries from playing physical kick in).

            Would you give up Gallagher plus a first and Bourque? Still might need to add to that package

          • Forum Dog says:

            Kooch – I would man. Kane is a formidable player. The personality thing is a bit of a gamble, but he is hard as nails and like you say should have at least 6 (and probably 10) good years in front of him. His contract is also pretty friendly at the moment. He doesn’t have elite speed, but enough to keep pace, and his combination of physicality and a nose for the net is very hard to come by.

      • Forum Dog says:

        Considering he’s already potted 30 once, has averaged close to that pace so far during his NHL career, and is still only 22 years old shows just how high his ceiling is. Between that and his physical game (averages almost 200 hits/season), I can’t imagine why Winnipeg would want to trade him. I mean, I know he has some “maturity” issues, but like I said, the kid is 22.

        If he truly is available, MB should seriously consider doing what it takes to acquire him.

    • Forum Dog says:

      If Habs wanted Kane, it’d cost something more like Pacioretty. And if they were to try and do something like that, it would indicate they shared at least some of Guy Lafleur’s sentiment….

  6. Sportfan says:

    I hope the Habs stay away from Hemsky

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  7. habsfan0 says:

    Lots of scoring (relatively speaking) in this year’s World Cup.
    FIFA must have issued an edict to all players ordering more scoring to keep North American (read:American) audiences mildly interested.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Could be the 2022 World Cup is headed to the States also, depends just how much more bribery is proven over the Qatar scandal. Of course the fact the stadiums are essentially being built with slave labour isn’t the scandal, it’s just the bribery that have people’s nose out of joint.

      Disgusting how that whole fiasco has been handled. FIFA should have to get all new members. And I am further embarrassed that it appears Die Mannschaft hero Franz Beckenbauer was on the take for that vote as well.

      • habsfan0 says:

        Can the Netherlands and Germany meet in the Final?
        If so, I’m predicting it.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        There comes a time when the average person looks around, shrugs and joins in the fun. Probably what happened to Mike Duffy and Pamela Wallin. Not that I hold these two shills in high regard, but they didn’t invent the financial prestidigitation that they’re in hot water for. They must have been told/shown by Senate veterans.

        “The wage isn’t that great, but here’s how you can work around this with your expense account…”

        All you need then is a flexible morality, a belief that everyone else is doing it, and that you won’t get caught. And now that Mike Duffy is caught, he’s outraged.

        • habsfan0 says:

          Prestidigitation is a word that I haven’t used in a week or two.
          Mind you, I understand it’s a word that is overused in the Buffalo Bills playbook.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I vacillated between ‘prestidigitation’ and ‘skulduggery’.

          • habsfan0 says:

            As the Bills vacillate between making and not making the playoffs.
            Lately,there hasn’t been much vacillation though.

  8. lavie says:

    We need another Dale Weise.

    Thank you Gionta, let’s move on.

  9. bwoar says:

    Boston: facing a cap penalty and having 3 RFAs, a backup and Iginla to sign with only 8M.

    We should be offer-sheeting Reilly Smith asap. Right? Of course it’s right, he’s a scoring RW.

    • sirs81 says:

      worth a try lol.

    • krob1000 says:

      That would be awesome….when they match we can then go sign Jarome…or Torry Krug. All 3 are guys Habs could use all being RH players. Screw morals it’s the BRuins…do it MB!!! although there will probably be some strange rulings out of the leagues disciplinary office throughout the season as a result…ah nevermind that happens anyway…do it MB!!

      • bwoar says:

        It should be part of every GM’s playbook to screw over his division rivals. They’re finally in a tight spot, let’s take advantage.

        • krob1000 says:

          I’ve often wondered about it too but then I got thinking it is probably hte ownership who objects because it drives salaries up and if it wee that common place it could get real ugly real fast

  10. Psycho29 says:

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    Isles GM Garth Snow says he’s now shopping Dan Boyle’s rights, having been unable to sign the pending UFA defenseman…

  11. plum says:

    What about Adam Larsson?

    I don’t pay attention to the Devils at all, but it seems like he doesn’t play much with them. He was pretty highly touted a few years ago. Is he just being brought along slowly like most defencemen or has his stock with New Jersey fallen and he’s available for trade?

    • Bill J says:

      I could be wrong, but I seem to remember seeing something about Larsson playing in Swedish elite league or KHL next year…..

      Go Habs Go!

    • Chris says:

      I have no idea what the Devils have been doing with Adam Larsson. Lamoriello said he will be back despite the reports of Larsson being interested in Sweden, but I think Larsson would probably welcome a trade as he has not been at all happy with his progress in New Jersey.

    • JUST ME says:

      I rarely go for those rumors but if this one is true then we should be in the dance and not afraid to pay the price. This guy is a general on defense. They may have had him graduate too fast and him being an offensive minded d-man may not fit in the Devil`s system.

  12. Kooch7800 says:

    Is Price’s sister dating Yanik Weber? Check our her picture on her twitter account @kaylaapricee

  13. HammerHab says:

    Throwing this out there. Is Plekanec, Tokarski & a 2nd enough to get Kesler?


    It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

    • Cal says:

      Yes, but Kesler wants American clubs only.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      No. Canucks don’t want a smaller, older centreman in return, and/or a developmental AHL-NHL goalie when they already have three of them.

      • Cal says:

        Ka-pow! Another one out of the park!

      • HammerHab says:

        this would imply the canucks are giving up and rebuilding whic i dont think is the case. i think the canucks legitimately think they are a playoff team and plekanec is the kind of guy who helps a team get to the playoffs. also, markstrom and lack, while great prospects are not guranteed to do anything at the NHL level. neither is Tokarski but his performance in the playoffs elevates him above those two. and they may not WANT that in return, but thats irrelevant….if it’s better than any other offer they get they may take it.


        It’ll always be Habs Inside/Out to me

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          The Canucks are kind of caught between two chairs, in that they had a horrible year and the inclination might be to blow the team up, but there’s an argument to be made that the poor showing was caused by a coach who didn’t work out too well. However, since they already have a number of good veterans signed, the Sedin brothers first and foremost, and there are numerous problematic No Trade Clauses gumming up the works, the competing idea would be to do what the Flames tried to do around Jarome Iginla and Miikka Kiprussof, a retool rather than a rebuild.

          The fanbase and the talking heads think that with Ryan Kesler confirming he’d prefer to be traded, the path to take is now set, he will be the first domino to fall, and at least he and another player, probably a defenceman, will be dealt to kickstart the rebuild this summer, and they’ll try to trade vets as the season progresses and the deadline approaches.

          The thing is, if they trade Ryan Kesler, they want like every other team, and especially one on the rebuild, to get younger, and bigger to copy the Kings. So getting Tomas Plekanec back is going in the wrong direction for them. They don’t need his skillset, they have that already. Especially if they lose Ryan Kesler, they don’t want to get even smaller at centre.

          As far as Dustin Tokarski, their situation in goal is not helped with another young goalie trying to break into the NHL. They already have Eddie Lack and Jakob Marskstrom, and Joacim Eriksson in the AHL to play that role. If they get a goalie, they’d rather need a veteran to steady the waters and mentor. And there’s a significant faction of Vancouver fans that would rather sink or swim with their goalies as they learn the game, that think it would be counter-productive to bring in a veteran who may get you four or five meaningless wins that will only worsen your draft position next summer.

          So ignoring the fact that Ryan Kesler apparently hasn’t included any Canadian teams on his list that he’d accept a trade to, and that the Canucks want what the Ducks got for Bobby Ryan, which is a roster player, a good prospect and a first-rounder for their prize tradebait centre, Tomas Plekanec and Dustin Tokarski don’t fit the bill in terms of value, or in terms of the types of players the Canucks want back (bigger scoring forwards, a rightie puck-mover on defence).

          Ryan Kesler is not unhappy in Vancouver, so they’re not ‘forced’ to trade him soon. If no one is serious, if they’re getting lowballed, they’ll hold on to him and wait in-season, when teams underperform and injuries strike, and all of a sudden interested teams talking trade aren’t so coy. The Canucks won’t want to draw this out as happened with Roberto Luongo, but then again it’s not so much of a problem with a forward, he’ll still get his minutes and his points, so it’s not a huge story like it was when Roberto would sit and Corey Schneider would start. A scenario whereby Tomas Plekanec and Dustin Tokarski are ‘the best offer they get so they take it’ is not realistic, Jim Benning isn’t like Garth Snow, holding a depreciating Thomas Vanek as the trade deadline ticks down.

          Be aware I’m not discounting Tomas’ value in trades, I think there will be a lot of teams trying to beef up at centre, and they’ll be willing to sacrifice youngsters to get a good veteran. The Ducks are a great example, they’re in a win-now mindset, they want to win while Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry are still in their prime, they don’t want to waste their window. They’re in the market for a centre, as are the Penguins, so this may drive up the bidding for a guy like Tomas if the Canadiens want to flip him.

  14. Luke says:


    “The U.S. Patent Office ruled Wednesday that the Washington Redskins nickname is “disparaging of Native Americans” and that the team’s federal trademarks for the name must be cancelled.”

  15. shiram says:

    U.S. patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging.


    Not hockey, but I know many here follow football.
    Could the same happen to the Blackhawks, though it could be said they are not as disparaging as “RedSkins”.

    • Chris says:

      Black Hawk was a famous leader of the Sauk Nation in Illinois. The Redskins and Blackhawks are very different cases: one is a very disparaging term for North American First Nations people, while the other is a tribute to an individual (indirectly: the team was named after the 86th Infantry Division that team founder Frederic McLaughlin had commanded, but their division nickname was an homage to Black Hawk the man).

      That will be a tough one…on one hand, you can argue that it is a tribute to a notable historical figure in state history. In this respect, the homage to history is not so different than team names like the Blue Jackets or the Habitants nickname for Montreal.

      But I definitely acknowledge that it is a very slippery slope. There are definitely aspects that honour the Sauk, but there are others (including a rather silly mascot) that are a farce.

      But it is worth noting that this is not unique to First Nations. In the NHL, Canuck originated as a term to describe French Canadians and has subsequently been adapted by all Canadians. Habitants, a common nickname for the Montreal Canadiens, was a term describing the original French settlers in Quebec.

      In the NFL, you’ve got the obvious offender (the Redskins), but you’ve also got the Vikings (in homage to Minnesota’s Scandinavian ties) and the Chiefs.

      In MLB, you’ve got the Braves, the Indians, the Yankees, and you could make an argument for the Brewers.

      In the NBA, the offenders would be the Celtics.

      And then there are the myriad of NCAA teams that are offenders.

      Personally, I would put it to the Sauk nation whether they want the team name to persist. The Florida State Seminoles were allowed to keep that moniker as the Seminole Tribe of Florida were supportive of the team name. The new ruling could complicate matters, however, if other Seminole tribes in the U.S. deem the name demeaning.

      • Cal says:

        Redskin is derogatory. The other names you mention are not. What the hell is offensive about Celtics or Vikings, anyways?

        • Chris says:

          I’m not espousing one view or the other in terms of whether it is offensive or not.

          The idea is that cultural stererotypes should be taboo for sports teams. From that point of view, seizing on militaristic traditions associated with particular cultures for a sports nickname is thought by some to be offensive.

          When people name their team after the Vikings, they are embracing the popular notion of a Viking: ferocity, brute strength, berserker rage, etc. Of course, that is only one part of the people…most North Americans don’t realize that the term “Viking” was a verb…the people were the Danes, the Norse or the Swedes. They went viking, expeditions away from their homeland. They weren’t vikings. :)

          As somebody with a Scandinavian ancestry, I have no problem at all with the Vikings moniker. (The silly horns, on the other hand, are laughable since Vikings never wore horns on their helmets!) I certainly don’t have any problem with Canucks or Habitants.

          But it isn’t my call. A team name like the Blackhawks should probably be decided by the people who it is allegedly honouring. If they are down with it, so am I.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think the teams that use a name from a Native American or Canadian tribe or people are on the level if they treat the name with dignity and respect, and aspire to some of the better qualities that this name represents.

        So for the Blackhawks, it seems to be relatively safe ground. I’m not sure what you mean by mascot though, unless you mean the jersey crest.

        Same with the Atlanta Braves. The name seems relatively harmless, a positive representation of the Native American warrior, unless I’m mistaken. What was objected to in the past was the use of a cartoonish mascot running around the stands. Same as the Cleveland Indians (do I remember right that they used to have ‘Chief Wahoo’ running around their stadium, but have put an end to that relatively recently?)

        The term used for the Washington football team is unconscionable. Daniel Snyder is the worst owner in the NFL, on many levels, even worse than Mike Brown. And especially now that that crazy old lady in Oakland has passed away.

        I can excuse a lot of behaviour if the culprit accepts that he did wrong and makes amends. Dan Snyder refuses to accept that his team name is offensive, mostly based on obstinacy and financial considerations. No reasonable person could fail to see that.

        Instead, Dan Snyder is trying to re-write history, and started up a fake foundation that Stephen Colbert had a lot of fun lampooning.

  16. adamkennelly says:

    my Habs wish list.

    out – Gionta, Bouillion, Murray
    back – Markov, White
    UFA add – Steve Downie
    trade Pleky, Emelin and Moen – and whatever else is necessary to get top 6 RW and D-man who can replace Emelin and Murray combined – thinking Blake Wheeler and Zach Bogosian outta the Peg..

  17. Sportfan says:

    Spezza marks down all Canadian teams as places he doesn’t want to go that’s funny Jason, cause Montreal really wouldn’t want you.

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  18. Habs have got to re-sign Markov, if only because losing him for nothing means you have to replace him (for something). Why let him walk and swap Plekanec for Yandle, if that effectively means losing two good players and having a less well-rounded team? And Chris rightly points out that Yandle wasn’t good enough for a U.S. Olympic team that included Paul Martin and Brooks Orpik.

    My $0.02, for what it’s worth: re-sign Markov for two years if he’s willing, and look to sign UFA Klesla for a slightly limited role so that Beaulieu and Tinordi get the ice time they need, ideally including some top-pairing minutes with Subban. Deal Emelin to a team where he can play his natural side, maybe packaging him for a scoring winger. We keep all our assets or get equal value for them, and our blue line is at least as strong as it was this year.

    Devils coach Jacques Lemaire on the Daneyko-Kaminski feud – “Daneyko got mad when Kaminski said he was going to knock his teeth out. Dano has only two teeth left, so you can’t say that to Dano.”

    • krob1000 says:

      Would rather keep Emlin and move Gorges. I think we have Weaver who does Gorges job temporaril;y and on the side we need it at. Emelins physicality is important iIMO. Groges has great character and could help teams like LA, Cal or Edm bigtime and fit in much better. Tinordi will evenutally get his job and Weaver is perfect stop gap.

    • Chris says:

      I wasn’t trying to denigrate Yandle…he is a very good player. I just wanted to point out that he wasn’t a stay-at-home guy, but a very mobile and very risky offensive player (think Subban without any physical play and much weaker in the defensive zone).

      Not making the USNT should not be used as a slight. Subban was behind Vlasic and Hamhuis on the depth chart for Canada…that doesn’t mean that he was worse than those guys, just that Canada had others (Keith, Weber, and Doughty) that provided offence and they wanted more defensive stalwarts to round out their D corps.

      Likewise, Yandle is probably more valuable than Orpik or Martin, but the Americans already had other guys on the roster that they felt did the same job in Shattenkirk, Suter and Carlson.

  19. Chris says:

    While it would be nice if he could improve defensive and on faceoffs, it isn’t necessary for Galchenyuk if the team wants to move him to centre.

    From watching Galchenyuk in junior and now in the NHL, I think he really patterns his game after Evgeni Malkin: similar body types, similar patterns on the ice. In the OHL, if you squinted, you could convince yourself that Galchenyuk WAS Malkin.

    The reason I bring up Malkin is that Malkin has been terrible on faceoffs throughout his career. For his first few years, he hovered between 39 and 44%, and now he is up to 47-48%. Malkin is also not going to earn any votes for the Selke Trophy anytime soon.

    Nonetheless, Malkin has now won two Art Ross Trophies, a Hart Trophy, a Calder Trophy, a Conn Smythe Trophy, and was been a First Team All Star 3 times. If the coaches really think that Galchenyuk is the real deal as a centre, it really isn’t going to matter that much in the grand scheme of life if he wins faceoffs or not. He can still be devastatingly effective.

    • Bill J says:

      Fully agree with you :).

      I’ve always seen a “bit” of Malkin within Chucky, but for obvious reasons it’s not fair to compare him fully.

      Malkin if memory serves started on Crosby’s wing for some time I believe… And only recently has taken a #1B center position. And you are bang on on Malkin’s effectiveness at face offs.

      IMO, the biggest stumbling block for Chucky so far has been his confidence level… Once he believes in himself to be an elite talent, he should shine again. (At least that’s my hope… :S)

      Go Habs Go!

      • Chris says:

        Malkin was pulled back and forth. He did play a lot of centre in his first couple of years: only Crosby and Talbot took more faceoffs in his rookie season, while Crosby and Staal took more in his 2nd year.

        But he was frequently moved to Crosby’s wing to boost the team’s offence and to get Staal more playing time.

  20. shiram says:

    What are people’s expectations for Eller’s new deal?
    There is a possibility he gets traded, but if not what would you folks think is fair for Lars?

    I saw a lot mentioning cap hit around 4 millions, and that seems quite high to me.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I think he will get max a 3 year deal probably around 3.5 per. Just a guess. He was stellar in the playoffs but his regular season left a lot to be desired.

      I would not be shocked with another 2 years at 3.5 deal so he can show what he can do

    • krob1000 says:

      I certainly hope not…he was teams best forward in shortened season 2 years ago, he was teams best forward early on this season and he was teams best forward in the playoffs. However, he had an absolutely dreadful 3/4 of this reg season (not convinced this wasn;t semi intentional for just these pruposes). I would give him 10 million for 3 years as an upper limit. We have to remember he is only coming of 1.2 million so he may be able to be had for much cheaper.

      • shiram says:

        That’s the thing though, he’s shown some great flashes of skill and excellent play, but overall, he has not been great.

        • krob1000 says:

          HE is just entering his prime…I wouldnot let him go…he has never been given a real oporunity and IMO is teams most complete center moving forward in whole organization. Right now Pleks is better but he is in decline and Eller is only going to get better and Chucky and Dd are not in his league away from the puck or in the two way game. Eller is a key piece moving forward…they better not trade him unless his value is that of a top 3 hulking winger. The fact his contract will be reasonable just as he enters his prime also elevates his value IMO…..I would trade both Pleks and Dd before trading Eller. Overall the only center that has been great is Pleks…Dd also had a horrible season two years ago and a horrible 1st quarter of last season…that is actaully more stinker time than Eller over last two seasons.

          • shiram says:

            I would not trade him either, but I know it is a possibility.
            I’m just wondering how is next contract will shape up, as he’s been inconsistent, from bad to great, but mostly he was average.

            The prime thing is interesting, but it’s tricky paying on potential.

    • durocher says:

      $4m for two years maybe, definitely not $4m per.

      He should get a bridge contract, and anything between 2-3m per year would be fair IMHO

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Lars got a very modest raise after his Entry Level Contract which paid him $875 000 per. His bridge deal that followed paid him $1.3M per for two years.


      Even if he doubled his wage, he’d still be below 3 mill. Comparatively, David Desharnais was coming into his UFA years, produced more, and got four years at $3.5M.

      Lars is still a RFA, I think that he’ll sign for less than David got, but only for a couple years, hoping that his numbers and performance will surge, and he can cash in on his next deal as he approaches UFA status.

  21. HabinBurlington says:

    In light of the recent election here in Ontario, you may enjoy the following:
    Subject: Fw: Remember this from June 12

    While walking down the street one day a Member of Parliament is tragically
    hit by a truck and dies.

    His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

    ‘Welcome to heaven,’ says St. Peter.

    ‘Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high
    official around these parts, you see, so we’re not sure what to do with

    ‘No problem, just let me in,’ says the man.

    ‘Well, I’d like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we’ll do is have
    you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to
    spend eternity.’

    ‘Really, I’ve made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,’ says the MP.

    ‘I’m sorry, but we have our rules.’

    And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes
    down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle
    of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are
    all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him.

    Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake
    his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at
    the expense of the people.

    They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and

    Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has
    a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good
    time that before he realizes it, it is time to go.

    Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises….

    The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter
    is waiting for him.

    ‘Now it’s time to visit heaven.’

    So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls
    moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and,
    before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns.

    ‘Well, then, you’ve spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose
    your eternity.’

    The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: ‘Well, I would never have
    said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be
    better off in hell.’

    So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to

    Now the doors of the elevator open and he’s in the middle of a barren land
    covered with waste and garbage.

    He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting
    it in black bags as more trash falls from above.

    The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. ‘I don’t
    understand,’ stammers the MP.

    ‘Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate
    lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now
    there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable.
    What happened? ‘

    The devil looks at him, smiles and says, ‘ Yesterday we were campaigning..

    Today you voted.

  22. krob1000 says:

    From Pierre Lebrun and something I forgot until just reading this

    “A reminder in this new CBA that as of June 25 at 12:01 a.m. ET, teams can start talking to pending UFAs from other clubs ahead of July 1..”

  23. durocher says:

    What about Markov’s rights (assuming AM doesn’t budge on the 3-year ask), and Bourque for Troy Brouwer? DC gets a PP specialist to replace Green (who is pretty much out the door), Markov is close friends with Ovechkin, and they get a big body in Bourque (the Caps’ GM said they want size, and Bourque’s value has to have gone up with his playoff performance).

    We get a Cup winner with Chicago ties, with size, and who can play the RW. Our top 9 would look something like:


  24. Luke says:

    Free Lunch!

    Sure it’s Bad Burgers, mediocre Sausages and boring salads, but it’s free!!!!!


  25. 24 Cups says:

    Forget owning the Habs, look at the tour stats for Bon Jovi (2013) who were the top grossing band for the year.

    Total ticket sales gross: $205,158,370
    Total attendance: 2,178,170
    Number of shows: 90
    Number of sellouts: 90

    24 Cups

  26. krob1000 says:

    Serious question….everyone knows my stance on the centre position but how does everyone think the league views DD? IS he treadeable…for instance Nashville is looking for offense and Poile said last night on NHL network he is looking for a top 6 forward and his currency is draft picks. IS DD a number one or 2 center? if so then he should be tradeable…..I know it will come down to who is worth more Pleks or DD or maybe they just stand pat but seriously…either DD is a number1 center like he is played or he isn;t….what is the consensus out there? I will tell you that despite Eller outplaying him..I did think DD imporved his game by a country mile this year without the puck…but is he as useful as Pleks? would he get the same return? does his size limit his value? if this is so is he as valuable as Montreal uses him? Would Patches be more effective with someone else?

    • shiram says:

      DD’s a second line center at best, some teams would use him as a third C.
      I think he has some value, but probably not all that much.
      Plekanec is signed for only 2 other seasons, some teams would like a longer contract.
      DD’s been mostly a 50 point center, and that at 3.5 millions for 3 more years does have some value.
      I think Pleks is more valuable, but he is also more valuable to the Habs.

    • Bill J says:

      In MTL, he was a #1 because he was the best center they had….

      That being said, for 25+ teams in the league he either would be a #2 or an AHL player.

      Assuming Chucky improves his face offs , one would hope DD is no longer a #1.

      Go Habs Go!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      I thought during the regular season DD was our best centre. He and Max work well together and when they had Vanek on that line they were one of, if not, the best lines in the NHL offensively.

      Pleks is a great two way player but offensively he seems to be on the decline. Gionta looked better when he wasn’t playing with Pleks.

      DD is a friendlier cap hit and he is younger. He also has great chemistry with max. We need to have Chucky and Eller emerge as another top centre.

      If you look at the cup teams they role 4 lines and don’t just have a #1 centre anymore. It is all about balance. We need more balance in our so called top 6 as our bottom 6 is getting better with speed and offense

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Nashville did have some success with Steve Sullivan, whom while probably quicker than DD, may be a very good comparison. Would love to see MB make a trade like that.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Serious and honest answer: I was SO SO wrong about DD this year (even though I never “hated” on him as we are unfortunately wont to say here), that I’m not even sure I can keep disparaging Sasquatch and the Bermuda Triangle. No way — if the question is, could he have value somewhere, maybe play 2nd line, I’m keeping schtum.

    • Cal says:

      DD only has value here in Montreal.
      However, his playoff performance should have opened up some eyes about how hard he competes.
      To me, he is still a third line center that should not be matched up against top lines.
      And, yes, Patches can be effective with other centers. If he can’t , there’s something wrong going on in his head.

  27. John Q Public says:

    It’s better to give than receive.

  28. shiram says:

    Brian Campbell wants out of Florida, do we want his 7 millions cap hit for the next 2 season?


    I think I’d rather keep Markov at 6 per for 3 years.

  29. Max says:

    It’s kind of sad and startling that most of the hockey talk these days centers on ridiculous dollar amounts being thrown around by us average schmoes.

    He should get 42 million for 7 years,no 8 mill for 5 years,wait I think 45 mill for 6 years is reasonable etc etc.The game certainly has changed and depsite numerous lockouts,greedy owners and players will eventually destroy it all.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      hence why a normal family cannot go to a hockey game as a whole. You can buy a 55 inch tv for the price of two decent tickets. Add a home theatre system when you add parking and vendor food…..doesn’t seem right does it

      Could you imagine the price of a family of 4 going to a game?

      • frontenac1 says:

        Agree Kootch! Not to mention, lots of boring games too. For 15 bucks plus $5 parking I can go and watch The OHL.Saludos!

        • Kooch7800 says:

          Hence why I go to the Bulldogs games. I am debating on seasons tickets. You can get two tickets for the season for under 800. That is 40 games for the price of two NHL tickets and it is good hockey

          • sirs81 says:

            Across the river At the Joe i can watch the wings play for 15$ with parking included. Granted they are not great seats but they do sell tickets cheep. Earlier in the year I went to watch the Habs and Wings play and bought 4 tickets at 30. Then I spent 100 on beer lol

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            How do they do that? That’s amazing.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Nice! Unfortunately, I don’t have that option. I went to school in Windsor. Have lots of fond memories.

            Detroit is not doing so hot and apparently is not considered a major US city anymore.

            I end up doing the same at Jays games….cheap tickets and spend 3 times as much on Beer. They get you one way or another. What is baseball without beer though…..:)

    • twilighthours says:

      I’m OK with the best of the best of the best being paid handsomely. Plus, the market seems to be able to bear it.

      (But I don’t think, in my perfect world, that a hockey player should get paid more than a, for example, nurse)

      • Peter Young says:

        “But I don’t think, in my perfect world, that a hockey player should get paid more than a, for example, nurse)”


        Even though a hockey player usually gives up his higher education and his other job prospects, devotes the “climbing years” in any job to his hockey career, risks great physical injuries as a player, including those like concussion that have life-long debilitating consequences, took a huge risk in choosing a hockey career since even the best young players either don’t make the NHL at all or play only a short time in the NHL, and has only very limited years to play?

        Hockey players are, indeed, grossly overpaid, but there are factors that favor them getting paid more per year than a nurse or a teacher even in a perfect world. It can be argued, too, that while nurses and teachers are extremely valuable and important to society, hockey players are, too, since watching hockey is entertainment and serves as an escape from the stresses of life (except for fanatics like HIO contributors, for whom it only adds to the stresses of life).

        This while I’m waiting for Australia-Holland to kick off.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Hi Peter.
          I’m still in too frivolous mood from reading today’s best sillies (Krob: Markov looking for East of 6.75, etc) to go NEAR this meaty post!
          So I’ll only say good to hear from you and enjoy Holland-Australia (which I can hear my boys watching in the next room).

    • krob1000 says:

      I veiew it as more of a puzzle and as sad as it is it is like fantasy hockey for us fans where the salary is so important…it has become more important than actual output.

  30. DipsyDoodler says:

    Don;t know who this guy is, but RDS asks if Shawn Thornton could end up with the Habs.

    One sign the fellow is clueless is this excerpt:

    “Il est né en 1977, lui qui aura 27 ans le 23 juillet prochain,”

    “He was born in 1977 and will turn 27 on July 23rd.”

    Be that as it may, if Shawn Thornton is signed by the Habs I will boycott the team. Not that anyone would care.


    Moving. Forward.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      He is yesterday’s 4th liner, he is a Bruin to the soul and even they no longer want him.

      I don’t want us anywhere near Thornton. I am hopeful the Leafs feel this is the missing ingredient, I believe originally drafted as a Leaf. Let him return home and significantly overpaid!

    • Kooch7800 says:

      We have enough bottom 6 guys. We do need a scrapper but I don’t think he is our answer

    • twilighthours says:

      Pretty honest typo, HFS. Easy to make.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Thornton is done as an Enforcer. John Scott tuned him up in Jan 2013 and hasn’t been the same since.He had 10 fights last season and only one narrow win.(against Barch)
      I would make a play for Jay Rosehill with the Flyers. 29 yrs old, old school enforcer, can skate and pop in the odd goal. He has 1 year left at $675k.

  31. bwoar says:

    A) The Plekanec / Yandle rumour was started by a notorious fake. Enjoy discussing it but don’t let’s get too overheated on it.

    B) PK wants more than Pietrangelo, cool by me. It should be noted that Pietrangelo is a better defenseman, but PK is essential to Montreal’s present and future. He’s got all the leverage in the world.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I don’t think Pietrangelo is better.

      Moving. Forward.

      • Kooch7800 says:

        I think PK has a higher “ceiling” than Pietrangelo. Pietrangelo is not as risky though when he is on the ice.

        PK is more comparable to Doughty

        • doc359 says:

          I love the Doughty PK comparison. I think they really play the same game, Doughty just gets a lot more credit for it.

          • Kooch7800 says:

            Yup. Doughty can make very high risk plays but doesn’t get the bashing PK does. I think that may have to do with LA roster being much more rounded than the current edition of the habs.

            In time hopefully that will change

          • HabinBurlington says:

            That L.A. roster is so deep and so good it makes a great deal of their players rated higher. Quick for example was average to above average for most of the playoffs this season, unlike his extraordinary play a few years ago. And they still win the Cup.

            Our depth is coming, then PK and the rest of the team also looks better.

        • TMan1969 says:

          That’s what I was thinking when Doughty’s error, I forget which game, ended up a being a scoring chance (and goal) for the rangers…later he skated in scored (much like PK’s breakaway goal)..and PK is getting better every year

          “If I knew the answer to that I’d bet $10,000 on the game and retire from coaching.”
          —Montreal Canadiens coach Toe Blake after being asked if his team would win an upcoming game

      • bwoar says:

        Burly & Kooch nail it below. I think we all probably see the same thing, PK has further to go, but just now, Pietrangelo is a steadier defender. Kinda agreed with Babcock’s Olympic assessment.

        Doesn’t change the fact that I’d give Subban 8 years 56M and feel good about it.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I am with you that I agreed with Babcock on his decision as well. It is a short tourney and they already had a doughty out there who has a very similar skill set. The Canadain’s had the best D and goalie in the entire tourney by a long shot

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I agree with your assessment of PK. I think PK could still become better than Pietrangelo and perhaps significantly. But at the present time, I think if most NHL coaches were polled and asked which defenseman they would choose given how they play TODAY, Alex would be picked.

      He is very low risk, produces points and is beyond steady in most every aspect of the game.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        PK was awesome in the playoffs. Our best non-goalie, and he carried the team against Boston.

        Pietrangelo was steady against the Hawks, but certainly not the leader was PK was.

        Moving. Forward.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          PK was awesome against Boston. Against Tampa…he was ok and against the Rangers he was pretty ordinary.

          I thought he must have been hurt against the rangers cause he did not look the same

    • twilighthours says:

      It could be noted that Pietrangelo is better than Subban, but that does make the person doing the noting correct.

    • durocher says:

      Pleks for Yandle doesn’t make any sense for PHX — they already have Vermette, Ribeiro, and Hanzal down the middle

      If we are talking trade with PHX, I hope it would be for B. Gormley

  32. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Since we’re back onto rumoured figures, has there been any further leak or independent media corroboration of the Markov numbers? Or are all the hot air and worn-out computer keys still the result of the one McKenzie quote?

  33. krob1000 says:

    I don’t think PK for 45 is that far fetched…I can definitely see him getting way moreon the open market but I can se the logic there if he did get that. He sees the window opening right now, he loves Montreal (or so it seems) but most importantly he would not surpass Price as the teams highest paid player…and I thinkthat would be very important….it sets a bar and at teh same time kind of insulates both Pk and Carey from being the scapegoats in down times. They can share the leadership burden in that light as fans now consider salary when assessing players as perhaps the most important factor in the Cap era. Signing for exactly what Price got would actually makea lot of sense and in Montreal IMO.

    I would not be shocked to see him go for more given the last contract but I also think it would make a lot of sense if he did sign at the rate we are throwing around.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      read my below post. He will get more than Price

      • krob1000 says:

        That is where he is starting….MB may very well come back with Habs looking to pay Subban 42 million for 7 years and they meet in the middle. I think 45 would be perfect for both sides. Pk will still have another several years to cash in at the end of 7 years…he is young. Price could have got more too IMO…but that comes at a cost. I read the Strickland quotes but I don’t think Markov will get his 6 and I don’t think PK will pass PRice. Could be wrong but my feeling is Price is teams best player and should be the bar. I also think Marky should only get two but because he wants 3 they will get him for less than 6 per….or at least I hope so.

        • Kooch7800 says:

          I don’t disagree with you but I just have a feeling with the Norris win that PK will be getting more than Price. When Price signed his long term deal he was less proven than PK is now. PK has a pretty high ceiling of potential and I think will be getting around 7.5 per on a long term deal.

          If we recall we thought Price was over paid when he got his deal….now people can argue he is under paid.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Rob – If I’m Subban, I’m looking at cashing in on the new potential of the long term CBA and it’s possible 100M cap hit.

      That means three years at 7M and then a mega deal in the 9-10M range. Trust me, that’s where guys like Stamkos and Subban are headed. Stamkos could even garner more than that.

      24 Cups

      • krob1000 says:

        Well if they keep manging to be so fortunate as to have original six US based teams, the games marque palyer and a Western mega market team from somewhere in the LA area in the finals this just may end up being true.

  34. Kooch7800 says:

    Just to clarify this Tweet by Andy Strickland @ fox news. His exact words were:
    “Shouldn’t come as a huge shock but P.K. Subban is looking for a contract north of the 7 yr, $45.5 million Alex Pietrangelo signed ”

    So he is saying the deal with be more than the deal Pietrangelo signed not that he is looking for 7 years at 45.5 million. So really this tweet says NOTHING that we don’t already know

    • Bill J says:

      Yeah I was going to write something to this effect too, it’s like the telephone game…. The statement was repeated so much, eventually the words “North of…” Disappeared.

      Go Habs Go!

      • Kooch7800 says:

        exactly Bill. Typical of rumours and how they get twisted.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Yup, but that rarely occurs here! :)

      • krob1000 says:

        I see that like the Markov thing….if those are the numbers we are hearing they want then they will probably get slightly lower once MB does his negotiating. I think 45 would be perfect 6.5 would be great for the team, for PK pressure wise sharing the responsibility with PRice and being in Montreal he will be a legend…in somewhere like Florida or some of the other markets he will be forgotten…and I get the sense PK is the type of guy who wants to have a legacy….and to do thing the best possible way in the toughest possible place…sure I am totally make all of this up but it does kind of sound reasonable.

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          If you think PK is worried about Montreal to the extent he would leave, for example , a M $ on the table per year you are on something illegal. He is playing for money and will get as much as the market will allow. Look for much more than 6.5 M a year. Personally I wouldn’t like to see him get north of 6.5 but he will. He just in s’t worth it according to my TV viewing.

          • krob1000 says:

            The league is littered with players who take these deals…Detroit did it for years just like the world is littered with people who could make more money at one job but stay in another because they like it….it happens. IF PK is only in it for money he will gotarbitration and like said below sin for 2 years be a UFA and leave…that is his best and he can play for 10 million in Florida and live on the beach….that is his choice but I don’t think that is who he is.

  35. krob1000 says:

    If there were any truth at all to the Pleks Yandle rumour it would be still in Montreal’s best interest to sign Markov IMO. Last year one of the biggest issues the Habs had was the PP and having to have PK play all of it and Markov as well (markov was so tired that Pk had to always be the guy going back for the puck when it was iced,etc and PK was overused in those situations) This is incredibly draining and rendered tehm pretty ineffective during the secoond half. Also, Markov prefers to be on the side PK plays on the pp. IF you did manage to get Yandle…you could have a 1st pp of Subban/Yandle. Markov could play the right side on the 2nd waive with Beaulieu. At even strength you pair Markov with Subban and Yandle gets a slid stay at hom eugy like Weaver on his right. The the third pairing is Beaulieu with Emelin/Tinordi/Pateryn.

    I move Gorges. I don’t believe he is skilled enough to play the right side as a LH shot. Emelin offers the hitting element and if playing his natural side would be much more effective IMO. I do think Beulieu is fast enough, skates well enough and is skilled enough to play the right side. In the meantime if Pateryn makes the jump great if not Weaver is around for another year hopefully on the rigth. I liked his stabilizing presence and every now and then he absolutely pastes someone.

    The Yandle thing is nt likely to happen of course but if the Habs did go get another top dman I would like to see them still sign Markov. IF he alters his role into more of a complimentary piece to PK at 5 on 5 then I think he can be much more useful. The PK /Markov pairing was fantastic….unfortunately it hurt the rest of the lineup …but if there are other puck movers …then those two would be dynamite together again. markov is smart enough to read PK.

  36. Maritime Ronn says:

    Re Subban

    How could Subban’s agent Don Meehan ever accept anything less than $7.5M per year regardless of length of contract?

    A few things to consider:

    1) While Subban is an RFA with Arbitration Rights and not a UFA, a guy like Phaneuf – who was a pending UFA, will start a 7 year/$49M contract next season.
    Phaneuf couldn’t tie Subban’s skates.

    2) Subban as an RFA?
    He now holds ALL the negotiation cards this time around.

    He is NOT obligated to sign any contract presented to him by the Habs, regardless of term or money.
    He now holds the power to say NO to anything presented to him.

    If Subban wishes, he could take the Habs to Arbitration and if so, the Habs would have to decide if it would be a 1 year or 2 year contract – not forgetting that this tactic would make Subban a UFA in 2016 and open to every NHL team to acquire.
    Now imagine THAT bidding process!
    $9-10M per year?

    In Arbitration hearings, only other RFA decisions can be used as comparables, and not UFA contracts.

    The best comparable would be Shea Weber back in 2011.
    Weber was awarded a $7.5M decision for the 2011-12 season that had a Salary Cap of $64M.
    Next season, it will hover around the $70M mark.

    • doc359 says:

      I am fully prepared for anywhere from 8 to 9.5 million and I think I’d be okay with it.

      If he wants to sign for 7 though, I’d be dancing in the streets!

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      Good points, but there are also good reasons for taking a bit less than the max.

      For example if you are the highest paid defenceman in the league and you have a so-so season, for whatever reason. You might not want to risk that.

      You might also want to play on a contender, and realize that it is in your interest to have well paid team-mates.

      Finally, you might also figure that $45M or $50M is not a huge difference. If you invest wisely, and get lots of sponsorship deals from playing in a crazy hockey market, that 10% difference might be irrelevant. Maybe you even get more sponsorship by taking a bit less than the highest salary possible.

      Moving. Forward.

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        Your logic on investing wisely is flawed. If I invest 45 M wisely I won’t get as much as if I invest 50 M wisely. This site too often uses flawed logic to make a point. It is still interesting to read though.

    • Luke says:

      I disagree.

      Given ample time and training, I believe Phaneuf could manage to tie PK’s skates.

  37. @Gerald

    Very true Gerald, as for knowing more, you’ve met me, you know I know more, I’m the single greatest legend in my own mind. :)

    Let’s send our two fast trackers to the AHL, and poof, welcome McDavid! 😆

    Seriously though, you are right. Very few players make it right away and should spend time in the AHL, that’s the cycle of life to make the big leagues.. But here’s the deal, almost all of the top picks do make it right away (check it out, you know it to be true, I don’t make this stuff up haha). Galchenyuk is a top pick, then played in a position he’s least comfortable with (I’m assuming, I don’t know but he shows me he has all the tools to make it no problem). Only in Montreal I guess. You would think Rick Dudley, Marc Bergevin, Michel Therrien, Scott Mellanby, and Gerard Gallant would see that.

    If Montreal wants Galchenyuk to be a success in the future, then put him in a position to do so.

    When I’m in charge over there, Galchenyuk will be playing with Max Pacioretty, DD will play on the third line, Eller on the second, and poor Pleks will be traded or Desharnains will be traded, I mean teams are knocking down Montreal’s door to get either of those two players. 😆

    Oh oh I feel a rant coming on, I gotstogonowpeacemybrotherfrom anothermother…….hic!

    Shane Oliver
    A Little fun during the Intermission
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    • HabinBurlington says:

      I hear you bud, but don’t forget while he was a high pick, he was coming off a year in which he hardly played. His development at the Junior level was not as experienced as other picks taken 1st/2nd etc…..

      Also, one has to remember we are dealing with Montreal not Dallas here. If Galchenyuk is thrown into the lions den to early he gets devoured and we never know what we had. I’d rather patience than the opposite.

      But I do hope we see him on 1st or 2nd line next year. I am not so hung up on the Center vs. Wing at this point. At present we have 3 players who play the center position better than Alex, but Alex probably plays the wing better than everybody but Max (from an offensive perspective).

      So another year on the wing but with bigger minutes is fine by me.

      I would endorse a trade of either DD or Plex though, depending on the return.

  38. Lafleurguy says:

    Pleks would be considered a complementary asset for teams that are solid playoff contenders, such as St. Louis who aren’t as solid as the Kings and Blackhawks. Phoenix is years away from being a serious contender and wouldn’t benefit from such an older player.

    Feel free to help my posting with a rubric.

    Never solved the cube in my life.

  39. SmartDog says:

    Has PK’s stock fallen? Last year everyone was saying he’d sign for 8-8.5 mil. Now it’s 6.5? WTF?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  40. Bogie Man says:

    Rumors on twitter from numerous sources is Kieth Yandle for Plekanec. Defensive forward strong on the PK for a solid stay at home defenceman. If the rumor is true and it is likely not to be, I think this would benefit the Habs as we get a under thirty gritty D over 6 feet that could benefit our power play. Thoughts?

    • krob1000 says:

      That would be very interesting….that would mean end of Markov IMO though. I love Pleks but I would strongly consider that move….I saw last night NAshville is dangling their 11th overall pick and looking for a top 6 forward.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Yandle’s name came up repeatedly on last summer’s drool list.

      And about rumours: am I misremembering, or did we actually start one here last summer that eventually appeared in mainstream media? Or was it only EOTP or Bleacher Report? Anyone?

      Have you, or has anyone, any sense of how badly Phoenix might be in need of a player like Pleks? That info could add or subtract credibility from the rumour.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      What side does he play? If they pick up Yandle Markov would be a goner. Unless they move another D

    • Chris says:

      Yandle is not a solid, stay at home defenceman. Yandle was left off the American Olympic team, despite his acknowledged offensive brilliance, because his defensive play is very weak.

    • Forum Dog says:

      If Yandle, then definitely no Markov. Yandle is a PP guy and a LH shot.

      With 2 years left at a $5.25 cap hit, he would be cheaper and provide more roster flexibility than Markov, which would be good. It would also let MB take that extra Markov money and invest it either in house or on the FA market. Of course, they would need someone to take on Plekanec’s 20 minutes per game…..

      EDIT: Yandle’s no Markov in the defensive zone. He might have more mobility, but he is soft. Not sure I’d like to see him as a Hab.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      I’d shake on that deal, no problem, I think it’s too good to be true. I can’t remember the rumblings from the Olympic selection period, why he didn’t make the U.S. Team, which I found surprising.

      If this trade was done, it would force the issue as he’s a leftie, one of Andrei, Alexei Emelin or Josh would have to go.

      Keith Yandle isn’t quite a stay-at-home type, he moves the puck and skates well, picks up a lot of points. Last season he had 53 points.


      He has two more years at $5.25M on his deal, it might be hard to re-sign him, but I think he’d be good trade bait, you could flip him down the road for upgrades elsewhere.


      In the meantime, we’d make room for Alex Galchenyuk at centre, find a partner for P.K. who could keep up, and relieve some of the pressure.

      My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


  41. Ian Cobb says:

    As per Andy Strickland of FOX Sports Midwest, P.K. Subban is looking for a contract of 7 years, $45 million. YES or NO? and WHY? ‪#‎MTLhockey‬ ‪#‎gohabsgo‬ ‪#‎habs‬ ‪#‎montrealcanadiens‬

    I say no! 7yrs no problem, but he is only worth 5 1/2 mil to me.! His game will get better.


    • icemachine says:

      6.5 M/year would be a steal in this market

      “I can’t wait for the crowd, the noise, the energy in the building. I can’t wait to take that all away from them.”

    • ABHabsfan says:

      I think you take that deal. Even if you think it is a little rich right now ( I don’t) the last 5 years will be a bargain. If that is the offer from PK’s side, MB had better not sit on his hands too long.

      “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
      Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

    • Bogie Man says:

      If this is true, I am not sure what we are waiting for sign PK already MB.

    • krob1000 says:

      That would be great because to me that is what he is worth…normally agents pad things a bit with the Habs given the Quebec taxes,destination, etc but if PK is doing that …that works for me. I also think it is smart on his behalf to not overtake Price as highest paid…kind of sets the bar as I was hoping Price’s contract would. To me that is great and makes perfect sense….my heart always wanted that deal but my head had me concerned he would feel jilted by the last situation (although I think team was within rights to do bridge thing). THis is great news if so and an indication PK wants to win.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      He has a Norris under his belt already. I think he will get more than 6.5. He will get over 7.5 most likely

    • Cal says:

      Let’s wait a little before thinking that some midwest Fox Sports guy has the inside info on what PK’s agent will try to get.
      I am still thinking it will take north of $7mil/season for 8 years.
      But, hey, I’ve been wrong before.

    • Forum Dog says:

      That would be a sweetheart of a deal for the Habs if true.

  42. habs_54321 says:

    edmonton should be jumping at the oppurtunity too pick up mike richards.

  43. Luke says:

    Good Morning Folks!

    Ugh. I wish I was still asleep.

  44. Ian Cobb says:

    Steve! Made me spuw my coffee with this line! (We had two thunderstorms from hell here yesterday with a sky that looked worse than any Don Cherry jacket. )
    I know what you meant, the sky here also was kind of yellow, then greenish etc etc.

  45. Captain aHab says:

    The other problem with Galchenyuk trying to learn to win faceoffs only in practice and not during games is that he would only face our guys, who suck at winning draws. Not the best way to learn.

    Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Luke says:

      I believe it was after his rookie season, Crosby wasn’t happy with his faceoff abilities and he focused extensively on that aspect in the off season and improved dramatically.

      It can be done.

    • D Man says:

      I remember reading an article years where Jean Beliveau was quoted as saying that he never understood the importance of face-offs until he came up to the Habs. It was something he had to learn.

      You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  46. Chris says:

    Twi, your comment, “The more you make me read, the less I like your opinion” made me laugh…spoken like a veteran teacher! :)

    That reminded me of all the essays and lab reports and such that I’ve marked over the years. For some reason, students believe that their grade increases with each word that they write. Over the last couple of years, I’ve just become merciless at grading. “Filler” gets written over and over and over, and I typically end up wiping out about 25% of the written work for the better students, and well over 50% for the weaker students.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I’ve taken to putting a big bracket around it and simply writing “BAH!”

      • Chris says:

        Even with a rubric (and I absolutely despise rubrics, but we’re increasingly being forced to use them) telling them what to include, it amazes me that students can manage to write 6-10 pages (for a report that has a 4-page cap) and STILL miss more than a third of the required points.

        • twilighthours says:

          Interesting that you hate rubrics. Why? Or – if you prefer this question – why do you like just awarding points better?

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            Whoa – you actually read the essays?

            Moving. Forward.

          • Chris says:

            I’m okay with rubrics in high school, where the students are still learning structure, vocabulary and how to form critical arguments.

            I abhor them in university because we should be encouraging independence and critical thinking. There has to be a transition at some point from the bubble that is academic training to the wild west that is the job market that they are training for, many of which provide minimal guidance with regards to the way that the task should be completed.

            I have always had grading schemes, but rubrics are intended to be provided to the students as they are completing the work, which is the part I object to. By giving them the rubric, the vast majority of the students work to the rubric and their ability to develop independent critical thinking skills is diminished. It is another step along the way to churning out academic automatons and forcing all the students to conform.

            Not using a rubric means that I have to be more flexible as a grader, so I can understand the attraction from the teacher’s end. But I personally don’t believe the cost is worth the benefit at the university/college level.

          • twilighthours says:

            Ah man Chris, we really both need to get to next year’s summit. So much to discuss.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            If I ever make it to a summit, I will have no choice but to bring a stack of essays with me. (Hmm and a few extra red pens maybe….)

          • twilighthours says:

            Mike! You still use red? It’s all about purple or green, now.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I think I’m a bit older than you.
            Can you picture Miss Grundy (Archie Comics)?

          • Chris says:

            I use red for technical problems, green for communication problems. The reports become a nasty kaleidoscope of colour. :)

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            sigh, perhaps I really DO need to modernise….

            particularly since my Grade 11s’ previous teacher trained them to write quotations in red…

            Maybe chunky crayons! I love that you can hold them in your fist!

    • scamorza says:

      Hey Chris agree 100% always hard to be brief and concise my students all had the same issue . Which is funny when you think of it. In Uni we all feared the 10 or 15 page term paper when the 3-5 was the more challenging. I could go on and on and on and on but…..

      come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • myron.selby says:

      Hey Chris – I honed my meagre brevity skills by writing political letters to the editor of our local paper. Their word limit is 275 words and I invariably began with 800 to 1000. Getting it down to the required max really helped me tighten things up.

      I’m not saying it improved the content (off the charts to the left) but it certainly got the point across a lot quicker.

      The one thing I really hated was when the letters editor would randomly delete stuff to shorten my letters. Often he changed the whole thrust of the letter. I eventually came to an agreement with him to let me do my own editing if it was necessary.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Great story. Illustrates how the only way to get good at something is to do it: covers writing, faceoffs, everything.

        On editors: I once filed a concert review that opened, I’m sorry to say, with the cliché, “This was a concert of two halves. In the first,…”

        Conscious that my limit was 150 words, I moved on to the second half after about 80. Unfortunately the editor didn’t, AND left in my opening cliché!

  47. HabinBurlington says:

    Will try this link again. GIven the talk of Letang, it is interesting to read through the trades Jimmy Rutherford has done. I had highlighted a few including the trading of Jack John_son to L.A. but forgot the hyphen and all my other highlights were washed away. Too lazy to highlight them again, but MB does stand a good chance of winning a trade with Jimmy.


  48. 24 Cups says:

    It’s not July 1st yet but the best two UFA signings have just taken place. “Hockey Night In Canada” veterans Elliotte Friedman and Scott Oake are joining the Rogers NHL broadcast team.

    My only hope now is that Rogers will pass on PJ Stock and instead sign Kevin Weekes.

    24 Cups

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Glad to see your on your pegs this morning Steve!
      Thought of you when I saw the news, were you golfing yesterday my friend .?

      • 24 Cups says:

        Hey, Ian, there’s not much real news in Hab land these days so golf certainly is at the top of the list. We had two thunderstorms from hell here yesterday with a sky that looked worse than any Don Cherry jacket.

        PJ Stock is the Brad Marchand of broadcasting. My best hope with the Rogers takeover is that they will cull the herd over at CBC.

        24 Cups

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Echo Ian’s thoughts Steve, also thought of you golfing when I heard about the golfers hit by lightning in Stouffville. Last night I had a baseball game and the Umpire and other team were disputing with me the sight of lightning and wanted to keep playing. Unbelievable how so many people still treat things like lightning and massive storms with no respect.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        cf Weise and post-Moore wobbly knees….

      • 24 Cups says:

        That lightning strike was during a tournament. One of the golfers that was struck showed no vital signs. By chance, there happened to be a nurse playing in the tournament who just happened to be in the right place at the right time and helped save this guy’s life.

        Only an idiot rolls the dice with lightning.

        24 Cups

    • frontenac1 says:

      Hope they keep Jackie Redmond and Andi Petrillo. They are the best.

    • Chris says:

      Weekes and Hrudey (Behind the Mask Hrudey, not the colour analyst Hrudey) are the two guys on CBC whose opinions I respect the most. Personally, I’ve never particularly cared for Friedman at all, dating back to his days on The Score.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I’d take Friedman before Oake — professional but grey and sometimes often tabloidy:

        To the inconsolable D-man: “How did you feel after your pinch led to the breakaway and the gwg?’

  49. 24 Cups says:

    Dunboyne Mike – I was the poster who thought Galchenyuk was a bit like Frank Mahovlich.

    Since the team has an extra centre and a lack of scoring wingers, would it not make sense to wait one more year before moving Galchenyuk to centre? Especially seeing the kid couldn’t win a face-off to save his life?
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    • Habfan17 says:

      A question for you! How is supposed to improve his face off skills playing on the wing? Why would he be better on face offs next season if he does play the wing? I don’t mean that as a dig, I just think his talents and skills may be better used at centre and he needs to learn the nuance of taking draws at the NHL level. Why put it off another season. He could start as the third line centre to build from there.


      • Galchenyuk should have been playing his natural position since day 1. Now the Habs are two years behind in developing him for a position they want him in.

        Hockey isn’t the Military where we train our soldiers to know the job of two levels above your current rank (that’s more me, it’s usually one).

        Unless the Habs don’t want him at center, then if that’s the case Galchenyuk already knows that.

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        • Habfan17 says:

          I agree with you and have said that before. They could have started him at 3rd line centre to shelter the pressure. I don’t see why you draft a player that high, who plays a certain position, and then have him play in another!


        • HabinBurlington says:

          I don’t think it is fair to say that Shane, very very few players really have huge impacts their first two years in Pro hockey especially with no time in the AHL.

          Do we really all think we know more about hockey players and their development than say Rick Dudley, Marc Bergevin, Michel Therrien, Scott Mellanby, Gerard Gallant etc. etc.?

      • 24 Cups says:

        Your point is quite valid. For me, it’s more a case of trying to address the holes in the team’s line-up.

        As things stand, Galchenyuk can’t be a 3rd line centre if it means bumping Eller to the 4th line or the wing. Eller on the wing doesn’t generate any offense, Galchenyuk does. I’m not totally sold on the idea that Galchenyuk HAS TO eventually play centre.

        When push comes to shove, DD isn’t going anywhere so it still comes back to Pleks vs. Galchenyuk.

        I think the team will be stuck in neutral for the next year or two so this just might be the best time to trade Pleks for a decent RH Dman and Gorges for a winger who can score some goals. It ain’t goin’ happen but it is an option.

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        • Habfan17 says:

          I agree with you. Eller needs to stay at centre and DD probably isn’t going anywhere. I would move Pleks at this point. He has no upside. the other players mentioned do and he may fetch a top 6 winger.

          I would say Galchenyuk on the 3rd line until he adjusts, then either DD or Eller shift down to the third line.


        • Chris says:

          Galchenyuk is doing fine from the wing. He hasn’t played centre regularly since he was 16 due to injuries and the wrong personnel in Sarnia in his last OHL season.

          Corey Perry is another elite OHL centre (led the OHL in scoring) that has developed into a top NHL player from the wing. Eventually, I expect that Perry actually will return to his centre position, but that is a path that I can see Galchenyuk continuing to follow. He’s just got to get a bit stronger and he’s got to work on his shooting accuracy. He’s got a nasty wrist-shot, but he still misses the net too much.

          • twilighthours says:

            Foot speed may also limit Galchenyuk’s move to centre. He doesn’t have that first step that Eller or Plekanec do.

            (cue the Desharnais insults)

      • Just a Habs Fan says:

        Don’t want to sound negative but why in the world would MT risk games to train someone who isn’t the least bit good at winning faceoffs in game conditions. The object of a coach is to win games….I think the AHL is the place and of course practice is the fitting place to hone skills not yet good. In Galchenyuks case not even close to good. He may never be good at center.

    • Captain aHab says:

      None of our guys win faceoffs consistently but he’s still young and could improve.

      Prepare to be boarded!!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Morning, 24. Ha! Glad that memory wasn’t just a figment!

      We’ll probably have to trust MB and MT — kid still has some physical growing to do, plus much defensive work. Maybe, if we’re being patient (and not a “contender” this year!), one more season on the wing would be time well spent (plus also easing the logjam at centre, possibly helping keep Pleks a Hab). On the other hand, if he’s destined for 1st-line centre, then maybe throwing him on the third would get him on track (plus force him to develop his face-offs as 17 suggests).

      Helpful, eh? I’m with ACGM on these things!


  50. scamorza says:

    @ Dunboyne Mike,
    Morning … If memory serves didn’t Don Awrey strangle Phil Roberto in a fight so with that and as a bruin of course he was reviled but then a few years later he is with us and part of a cup winning team so of course we then loved him even if he still was a P—K of a player so yes bring on Thornton, Ott, Stortini, Bissonette etc etc everyone has complained that we have been too soft. And for good measure sign Stoner From Minny . To have a stoner and a Toker on the same team would be a rare thing and we may need that with our new truculent version of the blue blanc et rouge – which we know will now represent the blue blood and bandages. and no smiley faces you have used the HIO quota for the day
    come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Morning, scam.

      I guess I missed that fight. The Boston Strangler. I just remember Irvin saying Awrey’s legs looked like the palms of a baseball catcher’s hands.

      Further to the Thornton discussion, there was plenty of to’ing and fro’ing lower on this thread, prompted by a highly anti-Thornton article posted by UCE. The guy says enforcers in general are on the way out.

      What quota? BriPro said nothing about a quota. And, I’ll have you know, I have 5 years of “quota” stored up in arrears! Better be nice to me or else prepare to be overwhelmed by the Yellow Peril!

      • scamorza says:

        And to think we have all hunkered down in paranoid fear of CNOCC taking over all our oil or invading the arctic via Pagasa Island and IT IS YOU THAT WE SHOULD BE WORRIED ABOUT.
        And yes we would all love a Dustin Brown rather than a Scott Thornton . Have a good day HIO will check in later while BBQing Bit something tells me it will be an interesting day

        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

    • Wintercount says:

      Marc Tardif.

  51. TMan1969 says:


    more PK contractual speculation…I guess the question is – is he worth more the Pietrangelo? Doughty?

    “If I knew the answer to that I’d bet $10,000 on the game and retire from coaching.”
    —Montreal Canadiens coach Toe Blake after being asked if his team would win an upcoming game

  52. ACGM says:

    a lot of armchair GMs on here, disappointment is about to follow, starting with Galchenyuk. some of you guys are sold on this Guy, personally I don’t see him becoming any better than Plekanec and you want to get rid of him, only time will tell but I wouldn’t get to excited just yet. Put him at center in training camp and see what he becomes that’s the only way we’ll find out…

    • Ian Cobb says:

      I sure would take Galchenyuk over Briere, Bourque or Vanek!

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      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Morning Ian.

        • Ian Cobb says:

          Top of the morning to you Mike. Must be afternoon for you now No?
          Are you watching the soccer! I have watched about two games a day! Some have been great matches, but what a stupid sport at times. A continues begging from the referee, and the holding, diving crap makes it a bit Mickey Mouse sport!

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          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            My sons are players so it’s fun watching with them. But for anyone who grew up with hockey, gridiron, rugby, or indeed the tough-as-nails gaelic sports, all the writhing and and rolling and whining and pleading is pretty hard to stomach. Also, corruption within FIFA makes the NHL look like Sunday school.

            Once you can get past all that, yeah, the beautiful game! (Except when they play “for a result”).

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @Dunboyne, when I saw the goal the Russian keeper allowed yesterday, the thought crossed my mind if he had been approached by some match fixing folks. Not saying he did, but the thought certainly came to me.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Missed that game. Will check it now. Absolutely no problem WHATSOEVER believing foul play might be involved. Especially if match-fixers approach you with an electric hedge-trimmer to help you make up your mind.

            Again, missed the game, but see that your Germany dispatched former Euro champs Portugal with ease. (Actually, saw the Pepe-Muller tiff!)

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Was not impressed with Muller’s antics, but the ref didn’t buy it, it was the sheer stupidity of Pepe to go back to Muller and make a nuisance of himself. Portugal had the ball with Germany having a striking midfielder sitting on his ass crying, no reason to go back to him.

            However, the game was already beginning to establish itself by that point. Portugal are talented to the nines, but just seem to lack that discipline required to play as a team. Quite a scathing article written by Cathal Kelly here in Canada you may want to read.


          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Good link, thanks Burly. Enjoy today’s offerings!

      • TMan1969 says:

        I agree and I think he’s just waiting for his chance…got it give it to him!

        “If I knew the answer to that I’d bet $10,000 on the game and retire from coaching.”
        —Montreal Canadiens coach Toe Blake after being asked if his team would win an upcoming game

      • ACGM says:

        you’re right Ian, but most have him as our saviour lets wait and see and don’t forget the knee problems most likely gonna be in and out of the lineup for most of his career. myself I’ll give him credit when it’s due.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      My armchair won’t even let me sit on it anymore. I seriously have to get down to IKEA before the trade deadline. :) :) :)

      • Cal says:

        You do realize all Ikea uses is 1″ x 2″ boards with some foam padding, right? Hell, an armchair is an afternoon project. 😉

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          NOT if you’ve ever seen anything I’ve ever made with my own hands! Not even a peanut butter sandwich. IKEA is my lifeline to interior furnishing.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Ok, seriously.
      Think of some favourite offensive players. Many had unimpressive NHL starts. Lafleur comes to mind. Let’s wait and see. Also, for a young and inexperienced player coming off an injury and thrown in to the cauldron of the playoffs, I thought Galchenyuk looked pretty good.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      “a lot of armchair GMs on here,”

      What does that mean?

      This is a hockey discussion board. What else should we talk about?

      Moving. Forward.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Pizza toppings, conspiracy theories, a dash of World Cup, perhaps some Bruin bashing along with some friendly “Hey Charlie, how ya doing this morning?”.

        Nothing Hab related, no speculation, no bashing, no line combo’s and daresay No Trades and No draft talk!

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Easy DD! You’re talking to the guy who proposed that we all open our posts by admitting we are all only armchair gms.

        Ou, est-ce qu’il y a quelque chose que vous voudrez nous dire en ce moment, Marc?

  53. Ian Cobb says:

    We are very deep with quality in the Goal Tender position. Don’t be surprised if we pick up a few draft picks for one or two of them.

    The Hab’s this coming season will have at least 4 new faces in the line up. In Bergevin and Timmons we trust!

    Question! Did Gallant sign elsewhere.? I hope not!

    • Bill J says:

      Nothing major, I’ve just seen you write it this way a few times….

      It’s Timmins, not Timmons.

      And rumour is that Gallant is on the very short list for the FLA job.

      Go Habs Go!

  54. HabinBurlington says:

    What is Galchenyuk going to be for Montreal? I have no idea, I don’t really expect a Crosby or Malkin etc.etc., what I do know though, is he is the highest draft pick we have had in a long long time. I know he is arguably the most naturally talented forward (taller than 5’10”) that we have drafted in a long long time.

    I don’t have unrealistic expectations, but I fully expect the Habs to allow this guy to develop in one of the toughest markets in the NHL before moving him. I want him to become our offensive leader.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Hi Burly. Good post, I agree. And it looks like your expectations are high, just not unrealistic. Which is right.

      Yeah, Crosby comparisons are not helpful. But I’m trying to remember: was Frank Mahovlich mentioned early on? Perhaps only in relation to dimensions since he was a winger rather than a centre.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Good morning,

      I doubt the Habs would move him, and I do share your hope that they move him to centre this season and let him develop. He could take the 3rd line spot to ease him in. That would mean moving one of the centres to make room or shifting one over to the wing. Eller did not do well on the wing and his strong play off should get him his spot at centhre. DD gave it his all and I thought played better in the play offs and is cap friendly. Pleks I am afraid should be the one to go! or try him on left wing.

    • BriPro says:

      Chris put forward an interesting opinion on him and the discussion regarding Andrew Ladd, last night.
      Some interesting food for thought.
      Gmorning Gerry. Hope you’re keeping well.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I love Andrew Ladd, a warrior, a leader and has some skill. But the ceiling on what Galchenyuk can be is different from that of Ladd. While Ladd would be a great addition, the Habs still would be lacking a player of exceptional offensive talent (albeit potential). All the top teams have some players of exceptional talent, game breakers per se. I would love Ladd, but not at the expense of Galchenyuk. But I understand why Chris feels that Winnipeg would indeed be expecting a player of that ilk in return.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      A good comparable is Ryan Johansen from Columbus.

      Drafted #4 in 2010.


      2010-11: was in the AHL
      2011-12: 21 pts
      2012-13: 24 pts (prorated)
      2013-14: 63 pts

      Galchenyuk drafted #3 in 2012

      2012-13: 48 pts (prorated)
      2013-14: 31 pts

      What you can see is that Galchenyuk is a couple of years ahead of Johansen in his developmentdespite having missed one season through injury.

      Moving. Forward.

  55. HabFab says:

    Some discussion last night concerning the Draft. I’m really not expecting much as we are drafting;
    – 26th in the first round
    – no second rounder, switched for Islanders 5th (125th)
    – and having the 27th pick in the next 5 rounds (87th,117th,147th,177th and 207th)

    Hopefully Trevor can pull a Gallagher or Markov with that list, but it wouldn’t be easy.

  56. Habfan17 says:

    So, Rutherford has asked Letang to provide a list of teams he would accept a trade to. That is his attempt to free up cash to resign Niskanen who he has already said will be difficult with the current cap space he has.

    Some suggest he would look good in Montreal. I don’t agree and I hope Bergevin holds true to his plan. The Habs would have to give up too much to make that trade happen. The Pens won’t take Gorges since that would negate the gain in cap space. Trading young big centres like Eller would hurt more since the teams that succeeded in the playoffs all follow the same model, strong down the middle. GM’s say that a top goalie and strength down the middle are the two most critical areas to build to be a contender. With what Eller showed in the playoffs and at his are, I would not be trading him away.

    There are options available as free agents that would address the need for a right handed defenceman for the short term while the kids develop. There is Tom Gilbert, he is only 31, had 28 points and averaged 21 minutes of icetime. He is 6’2, 205 lbs, not big, but not small. He would not cost assets or players and he made $3million last season. He may take less, and at worse the same, so for two seasons, he is a safe signing that would balance the pairings and allow Emelin to go back to his natural side.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      You are looking under the radar, therefore fulfilling the role of the absent (and lamented) Fransakois. And this is interesting because presumably it’s exactly what MB is doing also. More please!

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thank you! I am just very apprehensive of giving up younger players, especially big centres who just had a great play off!
        I would rather Rutherford get stuck and Bergevin has a chance to try to sign Niskanen. Why do Ruthefrord a favour and give him a few decent players and allow him to resign Niskanen and make more holes on the Habs!


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      I kin-of agree. Letang would actually look great in Montreal but he’s signed for 8 years at $7.25M. I’d give him that if he was a UFA, but not if we have to give up Eller or Tinordi, plus picks.

      Moving. Forward.

      • HabFab says:

        And we are wondering how the team could give Markov $6 million.
        It should be mandatory at HIO that salaries are mentioned in all trade discussions 😉

        • Habfan17 says:

          I agree, salaries should be part of the conversation. Some staute posters mentioned that if Bergevin signed Markov at $6 million, then when you consider Gorges and PK, 22% of the salary cap would be use on 3 players. If you added in Letang, even if you take out Gorges, that would go up! More concerning is the term!
          I like players like Gilbert better. They can more than likely be had at a more cap friendly salary and shorter term. It would give players like Dietz and Thrower the time to develop.


  57. Bash says:

    Lambert takes on the neanderthals! Not just the ones banging rocks together at the end of the bench… but the ones banging rocks together at their keyboards.

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Morning, Jim. Good links, thanks!

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Morning Mike. If the Rangers do buy out Richards do you think Bergevin may have some interest?

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          You see, I could never EVER be a GM. Even my armchair tries to turn away and hinder my efforts.

          I loved Tampa in the 2004 Final, in particular Vinnie, MSL and Richards, and also Andreychuk and Fedotenko. MSL still, obviously, has it, while Vinnie, alas, has not. And I’m not discerning enough to tell which way Richards is, plus I have to fight the interest I feel based on his play 10 years ago!

          How about you?

  58. How about this scenario for Kris Letang? Moen, Nygren, Tokarski and White. This gives Pits enough Cap Space to resigned Niskanen, Sutter and Joniken. Is this possible?

    • twilighthours says:

      I think the Pens would. Right after we dealt them Subban for Tanner Glass, Jeff Zatkoff, Robert Bortuzzo, and Craig Adams.

    • Cal says:

      And we want a player that has just suffered a stroke because….?

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Hiya Cal. As cruel as your question may sound, its probably the thing that scares me the most. It’s not so much the stroke for me as modern medicine is terrific in preventing them but what caused the stoke.

        I can’t help but suspect in this day and age of performance enhancing drugs and recreational drugs something sinister.

        I hate thinking this way but there is a level of mistrust with today’s athletes. I felt the same way after Patriot LB Ted Bruschi suffered his stroke. I do feel guilty for thinking this way but…..

      • twilighthours says:

        Because if he gets his health and game back on track, he’s a top 10 D in the league.

        • Cal says:

          That’s a gigantic IF there, Twi. Especially when the Habs have a Beaulieu and a Nygren, both quite healthy at last report, waiting to take on ice time.

          • twilighthours says:

            We are talking about acquiring a Norris-quality player in exchange for nuts and bolts. I would happily do the deal 1959 suggested without a second’s hesitation. Nygren has shown nothing. Beaulieu looks promising but isn’t closer to the player letang is, even now with his health concerns. The addition of letang without subtracting anything gives us the best defence corps in the league.

            Seriously, cal? By all accounts he is fully recovered. There is less to worry about with letang than with acl reconstructees gorges, emelin, or markov.

          • Cal says:

            @ Twi.

            Seriously. If the Pens no longer want him I’d bet they’re as nervous as a groundhog on February 2nd about keeping him on the roster. Either they do want to trade him, or it’s a formality and Rutherford is exploring all options. Will one of Crosby or Malkin be hypothetically available, too?

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        He recovered fully from his small stroke and they patched the hole in his heart that caused it. It’s a non-issue.

        Moving. Forward.

        • Cal says:

          If it’s such a non-issue why would Rutherford come out with this? If I’m the Pens and Letang is healthy, why consider moving him?

          • twilighthours says:

            Because they are in a salary cap crunch with a glut of great young D guys coming up.

          • Cal says:

            So Letang is our Markov, then? And I wouldn’t call Beaulieu and Nygren nuts and bolts quite yet. We haven’t seen much of what they can do, especially when coach is loathe to play young D men.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            For your convenience and edification I posted Nygren vids yesterday. Alas, lots of slapshots but precious little D-play. Very early days, I reckon, plus the whole Hamilton Situation.

            Beaulieu is SURELY ready for a regular role. He wasn’t exactly PK in the 2010 playoffs, but he held his own and you could see his confidence growing. Another great benefit arising from this year’s playoffs adventure.

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            I don’t think they’re trading him because of his health. If so, they would be in deep trouble when the truth was revealed.

            I once sold a 1969 Camaro that had a piece of the engine missing, but I was leaving the country the next day.

            Moving. Forward.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            WHAT COLOUR?!

          • DipsyDoodler says:

            Dukes of Hazard Orange.

            Moving. Forward.

  59. jols says:

    My hope for Galchenyuk is a Kopitar like player in the future. Which would be a very good thing for us as Hab fans. He has all the skills to get there but Chris mentioned names like Crosby, Malkin or Stamkos and if anyone is expecting that, they will definitely be disappointed. Those are all franchise superstars and in Crosby a generational player. I don’t think Chucky will reach those lofty heights. He is a notch or 2 below that in my opinion. He is still going to be the best offensive player Montreal has had in decades and will do many great things for the Habs. He definitely has 75-85 point potential once he gets stronger and works on his first 3 step explosiveness.

    • twilighthours says:

      Ribiero. Big, strong, not the fastest, but able to use his size and slick moves to create offense.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Don’t know if I saw Ribs once this season. Do you know, Twi, did he finally outgrow some of his less attractive characteristics? When he was a Hab, there was so much to like about him — as you’ve summarised — and then he’d do something to induce an utterly gastroacrobatic cringe! You’d put one hand over the side of your face and look away…. Would like to think he had matured. But yikes, just checked: 34 already. How can that be?

        • twilighthours says:

          I imagine he has, mike, grown up. I mostly meant the comparison to his game: not explosive, but shifty, skilled, strong, and smart. That’s the player I see Alex becoming.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I have heard crafty and slick used to describe Ribiero before. Yes, he isn’t the best skater. However, big and strong? He is 6’0 and 170 lbs. Pretty much the same as he was when he came into the league and he was always called soft.


  60. Un Canadien errant says:

    Ryan Lambert eviscerates the myth of Shawn Thornton and the ‘best fourth line in hockey’.


    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • DipsyDoodler says:

      ‘ Players who can skate, and shoot, and score are now rightly seen as being more valuable than those who can hit and fight and say, “Let’s go boys,”’

      Moving. Forward.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      UCE……I have been hearing that the 4th line of Boston was a very good 4th line from all circles over the past few years. The coach seems to play them regularly. Many analysts have been saying the best 4th line in hockey. Now all of a sudden they are a terrible line and you jump on one article from a writer that is against fighting as you are…..the craziness for lack of a better word of posters……I watched many games by the Bruins and if they were the terrible line that this writer and you proclaim…well on my TV they looked pretty good normally.

      • frontenac1 says:

        Thornton was a. good Heavy WeightEnforcer. He got royally tuned by John Scott about a year and a half ago and has never been the same since. It happens. Just look at Parros.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Normand, that is an extremely interesting read, and not just about Thornton but about that entire species of hockey player and the direction in which Ryan Lambert believes the NHL is going.

      It will be interesting to see who counters.

      How about this: “[Thornton is] beloved by his teammates, and he works tirelessly with charities. Neither makes him a good or even average hockey player. He is outright bad, and serves absolutely no purpose on any real team, least of all one with aspirations of winning a title.”

    • twilighthours says:

      Didn’t love it. Besides the fact that he used corsi-relative-to-team to make his case, it was just too sarcastic. I think Thornton’s finished but I didn’t love the article. I’d rather read you, Normand.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Haha! Have to agree, my trigger-finger twitched a bit when I saw “corsi”, and he is pretty sarcastic.

        What I liked, though, was the articulate iconoclasm, if it’s not too early in EST to put it that way, and that he finds numbers to trash a common-place (best 4th-line in hockey: probably just media-generated, repeated so often it becomes truth).

        And when I mention a counter, I hope it’s from someone equally articulate and well-armed.

        Also interesting is the suggestion that, if a culture change is indeed happening, it may be GM-driven rather than by the NHL (to whom, as you know, I am very slow to given any credit for anything good).


        • twilighthours says:

          I’ve got no issue with std corsi, but using relative corsi to illustrate how a fourth liner isn’t as good as a first liner is silly.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      UCE, in the interests of eliminating poster craziness, would you for god’s sakes please request the deletion of your post. Thank you.

    • Cal says:

      The writer believes hockey is stepping away from the enforcer. I’ll advise him to watch the upcoming pre-season. I’d also advise him to take a gander at how teams without that kind of player wilt when the going gets tough.
      Thornton’s best year was when the Bruins stole Stanley. 20 points in 79 games or 1 point every 4 games. Exactly what a coach wants from 9 minute players. If all three on that line matched it, that’s 60 points and toughness.
      When fighting is properly taken out of the game and people stop believing that it has a place in it, then it will be time for those players that can shoot and score.
      As it is, the article comes across as a long whine without any dinner.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        That counter will do for starters. Thank you, Cal!

        The way you summarise the numbers is more in keeping with how I saw that line. But can we discount Lambert’s numbers or do they mean something? Is Lambert trashing the entire line just because he has a particular bee in his bonnet about Thornton. (I myself try not to blame Campbell for the father he has and consider him a useful player — didn’t like the chop on Price’s hand after the buzzer — and I would take Paille no problem). Or, since his whine extends to Prust, is he actually critiquing that entire role — which is hardly “enforcer”, just energy and forechecking etc.

        Meanwhile, I would endorse the NHL subsidising the salaries of one enforcer per team in exchange for serious policies regarding dirty and reckless play, particularly as regards brain injury.

        • Cal says:

          He comes across as a writer without much respect for those who play the game. Red Fisher never played, but he had a lot of respect for those that did. Lambert’s sounding Berkshiresque, and that’s the trend in hockey writing, especially by those who don’t even play for recreation.
          I don’t like dirty hockey. What I dislike even more is when a team does not respond to it. The Chara-Patches incident left me seething, not just because Chara had the gall to do it, but because NOT ONE HAB RESPONDED, and that is exactly what Chara knew. The Habs were, to be blunt, pussies. Many fans look back to the 70s teams, idolizing the greats in the Big 3 and Lafleur and the rest, but they conveniently forget precisely how tough those teams were. How they were able to not only beat you in the alley, but beat you on the ice as well.

          • twilighthours says:

            There’s a lot of truth here.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Thanks guys.
            Not aware of having read this guy before. Lots of interesting perspectives [edit: ie. from your good selves]. Cheers.
            It should come as no surprise at all that elements of the hockey media lack respect for players given how the league that employs them has none.

      • twilighthours says:

        Well, the number of fights per year is generally trending downward.

  61. Timo says:

    Akifeev was a bum for Russia in nets. The Motherland needs Carey Price.

  62. Un Canadien errant says:

    Apparently Kris Letang has been asked by Penguins GM Jim Rutherford to submit a list of ten teams he’d accept a trade to. His new deal and No Trade Clause kicks in on July 1.

    His agent hasn’t confirmed or denied that Montréal would be on that list, but does mention that Kris lives there during the summer.


    Hmmm… A big rightie puck-moving defenceman… I don’t want to think about the cost right now, but he would work in really nicely in the lineup.

    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige


    • Steven says:

      Letang would be an excellent addition to the team. I don’t think there are many players I wouldn’t trade to acquire him.
      The question really is what could the Penguins be asking for?

      Makes you think they’d go with pick, prospect and roster player. The idealist in me hopes that it could be done for Gorges/Bourque, Pateryn/De La Rose and a 1st, either this year or next year, but then I’m unsure. I don’t know if I’d want to part ways with DLR considering all the good word I’m hearing of him lately, and not sure they’d want either of Bourque or Gorges anyway.

      …And beyond that, what I suggested is probably a non-starter.

      • Timo says:

        Penguins will be asking for DD, Bouillon, Briere and Moen. Might have to sweeten the deal by throwing in Parros for them.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think the Pens would be interested in Tomas Plekanec or Lars Eller. Brandon Sutter didn’t work out as the #3 centre, they think of him now more as a #3-4 centre, rather than a #3 who can move up to the second line when they put Sidney and Evgeni Malkin on the same line once in a while. They want to strengthen their team at centre.

        They’d probably want a young d-man or prospect to go along with that, we don’t have a younger Kris Letang to give them. Nathan Beaulieu is the closest we have to that, but he’s a leftie, and they already have leftie Derrick Pouliot who’s comparable to him in style and potential. Maybe they’d like Nathan because he’s a couple years further along.

        So we’d have to ante up real roster players, real prospects, and then some sweeteners and picks probably. I’d imagine Marc Bergevin would be cautious, due to Mr. Letang’s health scare last season, and his many injuries recently, but ultimately, if you’re in the market, you can’t fake out the other GM and act like you’re not interested.

        • Habfan17 says:

          I would not trade Eller. Pleks for Letang would be okay but I would rather if Pleks is to be traded, they get a power winger for the top 2 lines. They could target Gilbert to fill the 2nd pairing right side for a couple of seasons while the kids develop, He can put up pojnts, isn’t too old and would not come with a huge salary!


          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Neither would I trade Lars, just trying to work out in my (our) mind(s) what the cost would be. I think they’d want a centre, don’t think they’d want David or Daniel, so it would be Tomas and Lars to start, I think. I’d be okay with trading Tomas at this point, for a good return.

    • Timo says:

      Have you seen his hair? He is a lock, as far as I am concerned. Bergevin will be stupid to pass on hair like that.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      The Kris Letang situation is a good example of the bind some star players are in with the salary cap. They want to be paid to reflect their skill level and production, as far as that’s possible with the constraints on their earning power and on the market. They also want stability and the assurance they won’t be moved. The GM on the other hand, if he’s dishing out a lot of money to a few players, gets squeezed in trying to build the rest of the team.

      This is what happened in this case, the agent says that Ray Shero was very clear that he wanted to wait until this July for the NTC to kick in for Kris, so he could get a feel for how the cap was going to go, how his team would look, etc. So the GM, trying to make his star player happy, paying him what the market will bear, may be forced to eventually trade the player because he tried to make him happy.

      This is where the hometown discount can come in. The Flames Curtis Glencross is an Alberta boy, grew up on a farm, and now owns his own ranch. His whole family ranches. His in-laws own ranches. He loves the cowboy lifestyle, never wants to leave, so he signed a bargain contract with the Flames, with an iron-clad NMC. He explicitly told the Flames he’d take less money than he would get on the open market, but that in return he would never waive his NTC, it wasn’t just a bargaining chip for him, or a way to avoid going to Edmonton or the Islanders.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Yes big as in 200 lbs….plus minus this year – 8…..he really isn’t that great of a player. Another over hyped super star….we need him…when did 200 lbs become big for an nhl defenseman ? Perhaps he can compete with PK for attention…..

    • Habfan17 says:

      I wouldn’t call him a big rightie! 6’0 207 lbs is not big. I would however say that he would be great on the 2nd pairing and if that meant Gorges was gone, then it would be a good move. Problem is, he will cost the Habs too much. I doubt they would take Gorges in the deal since the reason to trade him would be to free cap space to resign Niskanen.


  63. Un Canadien errant says:

    HIO Paradox:

    – Michel Therrien is a dumb coach who is slow to react, is outcoached and doesn’t adjust during games.

    – Michel Therrien is a dumb coach who is always shuffling lines during games and messing up line combinations.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Find the poster who alternately voices these opposing views and we should indeed sharpen a stake at both ends!

      btw Agreed with your post (a century ago) about Herschel Walker, Usain Bolt et al and football. I’d only add, Bolt might also be somewhat dissuaded at the prospect of having one or both legs end up like Gumby’s.

  64. Chris says:

    I never said I would want to trade Ladd for Galchenyuk. I said that Winnipeg, who is not shopping Ladd, would probably ask for Galchenyuk or Beaulieu in return for their captain. Ladd is a very valuable player in today’s NHL, and the cost is going to be overly inflated if somebody wants to pry him away from the Jets.

    Ladd does raise an interesting question, however….what exactly does Montreal have in Alex Galchenyuk. I get the sense that many of you simply assume that Galchenyuk is of the calibre of Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, Kane, Toews, or Malkin based on his draft position. Even for people who are a little more guarded in their outlook, the term superstar is still bandied about pretty freely when it comes to Galchenyuk.

    But what if he’s not that guy? Should we be disappointed if he never reaches the heights of a Jonathan Toews (3rd overall) or Sidney Crosby (1st overall), Alex Ovechkin (1st overall), or Evgeni Malkin (2nd overall), generational superstars that have established themselves as the best in the world? Or what about Steven Stamkos (1st overall), John Tavares (1st overall), Patrick Kane (1st overall), slightly younger players that are well on their way to that status?

    What if he never quite reaches the heights of a Nicklas Backstrom (4th overall), a point-per-game center in the NHL, or Eric Staal (1st overall), a perennial all-star?

    I find it interesting that people would be so dismissive of a guy like Andrew Ladd, himself a 4th overall draft pick. Ladd has established himself as one of the better two-way forwards in the league, averaging about 25 goals and 50 points on a weaker team without a superstar support player. He’s a great leader, as evidenced by his captaincy, and he’s a physical player that competes honestly every night.

    I’m still hoping for big things from Galchenyuk, as I suspect is the case for every Montreal Canadiens fan. But I’m also cognizant of the fact that for every bona fide superstar picked in the top-3, there are also lower-tier stars with flaws in their game that are still very good players in their own right, such as Bobby Ryan, James van Riemsdyk, Nathan Horton, Jordan Staal, or Kyle Turris.

    Being drafted top-3 doesn’t guarantee superstar status. I still think Yakupov has the potential to be the best player of that draft year, because he has the skills to be a dominant NHL scorer, comparable perhaps to a guy like Marian Gaborik. Edmonton is just not the right place for him. But a huge number of Canadian hockey fans have already written him off as a bust.

    Similarly, Galchenyuk has the potential to be a lesser version of Evgeni Malkin, a tall playmaking centre that can net you 30-40 goals (instead of 40-50 goals) and 75-90 points (instead of 100-120 points). That would make him the best Montreal Canadiens offensive player since Guy Lafleur.

    But I won’t be disappointed if Galchenyuk ends up like Andrew Ladd, a very good NHL player, either. It is still WAY too early to know how he is going to pan out. Obviously, we all have to sit back and hopefully enjoy the ride.

    • Garbo says:

      I think you’re smart enough not to have to ask those questions.

      How old is Ladd vs. AG?

      • Chris says:

        Ladd is 28. He established himself as the player he is at age 24, scoring 29 goals and 59 points when given the chance to be a top-line player by the Thrashers in 2010-11.

        Galchenyuk is certainly ahead of Ladd at this point of his career. At age 21, Ladd had 11 goals and 21 points in 65 games while playing just 11:11 of ice time on a pretty deep Carolina Hurricanes team (he was fighting Ray Whitney, Erik Cole and Cory Stillman for ice time). Galchenyuk will be 20 at the start of this season and looks poised for more ice time and opportunity than what Ladd saw.

        But the age thing is a cop-out…I’m simply asking people what is their threshold for being disappointed with his performance. I’d be happy if Galchenyuk develops to be as good a player as Andrew Ladd…anything past that will make me ecstatic.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      You’re very patient Chris. Nine paragraphs to explain your clear and lucid post, to people who insist on coming here but refuse to read, and will rudely object to anything they fail to comprehend at first glean.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        I find that every now and then a little overkill is justified.

      • twilighthours says:

        The more you make me read, the more I dislike your opinion.

      • Bill J says:

        Except the irony is, he DIDNT write WPG would ask for that.

        He wrote it in such a way as to imply that in order to get Ladd, Chucky and or Beaulieu would have to be center pieces.

        Whatever, he obviously (due to his replies this morning) meant something else. But what I find offensive is the tone that he was miss understood, no, he was NOT clear with his opinion.

        Go Habs Go!

        • myron.selby says:

          Actually Bill – it was very clear what he meant.

          Chris said “Problem with Ladd is it might cost Chucky to get him. A responsible 2-way physical forward on a friendly cap hit for 2 more seasons is going to require an awfully enticing offer. Galchenyuk or Beaulieu might have to be the centrepiece in that trade, as the rest of Montreal’s attractive assets have clauses that would make Winnipeg a tough trade partner or (Subban, Price) are untouchable.”

          What he is saying is that the only things Montreal could offer that would entice Wpg into making the deal would have to include either NB or Galchenyuk. Not sure how else you could understand this.

          • Bill J says:

            Yes, after I commented on it he clarified….

            BTW, I doubt ANY HabFan needs to be told Chucky or Beaulieu would not be traded to WPG for Ladd. As Chris later wrote, it’s a non starter….. So why even suggest Chucky or Beaulieu?

            Wouldn’t it be easier to simply state “MTL does not have the assets to make a deal with WPG, because MTL will never trade the likes of Chucky or Beaulieu for Ladd”

            Same opinion, worded in such a way as to imply… “Ladd isn’t getting traded to MTL” which ultimately was Chris’s point (that I agree with)

            Go Habs Go!

          • myron.selby says:

            Unless Chris edited his original post, I quoted it verbatim. So I’m not sure what clarification you’re talking about.

            The reason he mentions them is because they are what Winnipeg would ask for to get a trade for Ladd done. He does not say or imply that he would do it, only that it is what Winnipeg would need to make the trade.

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Bill, you’re mistaken on this. Chris wrote his posts last night, they were very clear and didn’t need to be edited. He didn’t advocate that we should make this deal, just explained that if it was considered it would be this unpalatable. People who speed-read it might have gotten it wrong, but that’s their mistake, not his.

  65. BCG says:

    If I was Markov, I would be using Chara as a reasonable comparison point. Similar age and Chara is signed until 17/18. Chara has two good knees, but isn’t exactly quick and does not have the hockey sense that Markov has. And Markov is asking for less.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Fearless prediction: Chara’s contract will not be long turning into a 6’9 albatross around the neck of the Boston Bruins.

      It fills me with joy to see him locked in there for another 4 years. They so deserve each other.

  66. bleublancrouge says:

    PK must become the highest paid Hab in history even if it is by one penny…. the current record holder should have never even been on the books!

  67. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Why don’t we move Gorges?

    What’s his value do you guys think?

    Edmonton would like him.

    • Timo says:

      Edmonton clearly needs more rah-rah in he room

    • Habilis says:

      Moving a LHD (Gorges or Emelin) wouldn’t be a bad thing IMO. But Edmonton might be a dead end. I don’t doubt that they would value Gorges, he’s exactly the type of player they’re missing, you’re bang on there.

      But what do they have that we want? You know they won’t deal any of the young guys, not for Gorges. The rest of their roster is pretty awful. They won’t deal the 3rd pick for him, obviously. So Gorges for a 2nd, maybe?

      I would rather not see us dealing NHL assets for futures at this point. We’re close to making the jump to real contender here. We need NHL players back if we deal any of ours, IMHO. I just don’t see anyone from the Oil being an upgrade for us.

    • BCG says:

      I really like Gorges… but… what about the heart and soul for the heartless and souless…. Yakupov? We’re weak at RW… We got alot out of Kovy… tho we’d be giving up alot in cap flexibility.

      p.s. I’m not saying it has to be a one-for-one trade, so chill. Just talking about the centerpieces and a fun what-if scenario.

  68. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Plekanec’s play lets us talk Eller. He is also the reason DD and Pac get plenty of points!

  69. keithmacv says:

    Galchenyuk going the other way for Ladd? Are you drunk son?

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      That’s a crazy trade idea.

      Mostly because of the age difference.

      Moving. Forward.

      • scamorza says:

        I like Ladd but would add nowhere near the same talent like G – guys like him come around only so often. Now we will see in time if he lives up to the promise and of course staying healthy will be key as well
        come to Dorion suits where you get no….”hassoles” _ Yvon Lambert

        • Just a Habs Fan says:

          What the hell am I missing in Galchenyuk up to this point. I watch every game the Habs play and I just don’t see anything special with him. He can skate and pass I notice but he sure doesn’t carry the puck much with any success…he can only dream of being defensively responsible…… -14 this year. He was also a minus player with Sarnia a couple years. I am not suggesting he is not going to be a good NHL player but to rave about his play is borderline foolish

    • UKRAINIANhab says:

      …yea that trade sucks, for us.

  70. keithmacv says:

    My brother just texted me about Subban is looking for a 7 year deal for 6.5 mil per season. Any truth to that? Seems like a good deal for both sides.

    • PK says:

      I thought that 8 years at 7 million would not be out of the realm, especially with the Cap presumably going up.
      If your info. is correct (?) than that would be fine …

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      If that is true then MB is getting off easy. if PK were asking for that, Bergeron would sign it on the spot. I think 8 years at 7 million is the lowest we could possibly see.

    • icemachine says:

      I posted the story from theScore.com earlier, He’s reportedly asking to something in excess of Pietrangelo’s 7 yr,45.5M deal. How far in excess is anyone’s ???

      “I can’t wait for the crowd, the noise, the energy in the building. I can’t wait to take that all away from them.”

    • CH Marshall says:

      that would be sweeeeet!

    • Timo says:

      Subban must not have gotten the Therrien contract extension memo

    • BCG says:

      That would be wishful thinking. If so, then make Subban a captain soon because he clearly has the team at heart…. but not so bright on his part.

      I’d ask your brother where he got this info.

  71. Chris says:

    Problem with Ladd is it might cost Chucky to get him. A responsible 2-way physical forward on a friendly cap hit for 2 more seasons is going to require an awfully enticing offer. Galchenyuk or Beaulieu might have to be the centrepiece in that trade, as the rest of Montreal’s attractive assets have clauses that would make Winnipeg a tough trade partner or (Subban, Price) are untouchable.

    • ACGM says:

      I think they would want Pleks, he would be more of a even trade and we would have size coming our way.

    • PK says:

      Chucky needs time to develop in the Habs system.
      I don’t think MB would move AG27.
      For Mackinnon or Seth Jones? …. well … maybe.
      Ladd? Nope, hope not.

      >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

      – Nostradamus, 1552

    • Bill J says:

      I can’t you believe you not only finished your post, but you also clicked “submit comment” on this.

      For a guy who enjoys shooting down everyone else’s trade suggestions and signings, you posted the MOST ridiculous trade proposal of the month!

      Ladd is NOT worth a Chucky or Beaulieu.

      That’s like saying Plekanec (a responsible two way center) is worth Huberdeau.

      Or god forbid saying that Scott Gomez (a then responsible two way center) was worth Ryan McDonagh….

      Go Habs Go!

      • Chris says:

        Again, if you read what I actually wrote, I stated that Winnipeg would ASK for Galchenyuk or Beaulieu. Of course Montreal would not do that trade. But it is equally ridiculous to think that you are getting a player like Ladd for anything less than a 1st round pick and some prospects. He is not a pending UFA (2 years at a cap-friendly hit left on his contract), and he is the rarest commodity in the game, a defensively responsible power forward that can score. Throw in his leadership abilities, and you’ve got a very valuable player there.

        So, once again, don’t get your knickers in a knot about a post that you misread. The tendency of Habs fans is that they post trade suggestions where the other team gets fleeced of their star player for a couple of pending UFA’s and a lower-tier prospect.

        On very rare occasions, that type of trade does happen, especially if forced by cap concerns. But Ladd doesn’t fall into that category, so he is going to cost far more than most teams are willing to pay to acquire, so it is basically a non-starter.

        • Bill J says:

          Why don’t YOU re read that, you didn’t say WPG would ask for that. You worded it in such a way as to imply That Chucky or Beaulieu would have to be the center pieces.

          My nickers aren’t in a knot, thanks. I commented (because you choose to critique virtually every single trade proposal of late) on your post because you worded it the way you did.

          Before asking people to re read your posts, it may be a good idea for you to do it first.

          And yes, several trade proposals are ridiculous, but your knickers seem to get knotted a WHOLE lot…. Seeing as you find it neccesary to shoot each one down.

          Pot meet mr kettle.

          Go Habs Go!

          • Chris says:

            Bill, you are losing your crap again over a misunderstanding. I was replying to the post directly below mine, durocher’s post about targeting Ladd in a trade. I mishit and posted it as a new one. So there is some context you are missing.

            “Problem with Ladd is that it might cost Chucky to get him.”

            “Galchenyuk or Beaulieu might have to be the centrepiece in that trade, as the rest of Montreal’s attractive assets have clauses that would make Winnipeg a tough trade partner or (Subban, Price) are untouchable.”

            How is that not me saying that Winnipeg would ask for those guys in return? Just ratchet down your indignation and read what I wrote.

            Ladd is a 28 year old power forward on a cap friendly ($4.5 million) contract with 2 years remaining on it. He’s the team’s captain, he is one of the better defensive forwards in the NHL, and he has two Stanley Cup rings. That kind of resume is going to cost you dearly in today’s NHL.

            Winnipeg is not looking to trade Ladd. They don’t need to dump his salary. So any prospective shoppers need to knock their socks off regarding Ladd. Montreal has two players that would fit the bill, because there is no way they are willing to deal Subban or Price. Those players are Galchenyuk and Beaulieu.

            Have you noticed that very few elite level players get moved these days? The reason why is that GM’s ask for the stars and moon in return for any player of ability, especially for cap-friendly productive players.

            So no, it was not my trade suggestion as I’ve tried to make clear to people. It was pointing out that the cost for a guy like Ladd (or Evander Kane) is going to be so prohibitive that it probably isn’t worth thinking about, because the valuable assets that Montreal does have (guys like Gorges or Plekanec) aren’t waiving their NTC to go to Winnipeg. Won’t happen.

            So if you can’t deal your valuable veterans, than that leaves your desirable prospects. Which is why I said that it was a problem. I agree that trading Ladd for Galchenyuk or Beaulieu is not a good trade, and that Bergevin wouldn’t do it.

            But what is an exercise in futility is proposing trades where we land the other team’s non-UFA top player for a bunch of our spare parts or low-tier prospects. I suppose some people get their rocks off on that crap, but I just have never saw the point.

            In NHL trades, you’ve either got to trade value to get value (Bobby Ryan for Jakub Silfverberg, Stefan Noesen and a 1st round pick; Martin St. Louis for Ryan Callahan, a 1st round pick and a conditional 2nd round pick; Jeff Carter for Jakub Voracek, a 1st round pick (Sean Couturier) and a 3rd round pick (Nick Cousins); Mike Richards for Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn and a 2nd round pick), or you deal for pending UFA’s and hope you can re-sign them. The alternate trades, of which Gomez and Pyatt for Higgins, McDonagh and Valentenko ranks as one of the worst, are exceedingly rare and often forced: the Rangers were desperate to dump Gomez, while the Habs wanted to get rid of Higgins due to his partying.

            Ladd clearly does not fall into the latter camp.

          • Bill J says:

            Look Chris I’m all for intelligent conversation, and I’ve rarely engaged you in the past like this. But your perception of me “having my knickers in a knot” or “losing my crap” is quite childish at best….

            Missunderstanding perhaps, but again… You did NOT state that WPG would demand those players, you stated quite clearly that in order to get a player of Ladd’s stature that it would cost Chucky or Beaulieu…. Which you yourself have now (this morning) admitted would never happen.

            I’m not upset, my knickers are quite comfortable and my bowels are not about to erupt. 😉

            If you want to have intelligent conversations with people Chris, I would recommend laying off the “Pierre McGuire holier than” tone if your posts. And again, before asking someone to re read your post. Maybe next time you re read your own post to ensure that was not the reason of the confusion. Regardless of you posting your comment separately from the other post about Ladd, fast remains your words implied what they did. Thus causing the confusion.

            Have a nice day Chris, I wasn’t gunning for you… Just highlighting how sometimes even YOU can write something (albeit via a miss communication) a bit ridiculous. The fact you chose to defend your actions, accuse me of miss reading it, and to get my knickers loosened and to hold my shit together…. Tells me, my post got YOUR knickers in a knot, and you in turn lost your shit. Just sayin’.

            Go Habs Go!

          • Chris says:

            Everything I have said has been to try to get across that Ladd is a non-starter because he would cost too much. If that hasn’t been clear, I apologize.

            “Missunderstanding perhaps, but again… You did NOT state that WPG would demand those players, you stated quite clearly that in order to get a player of Ladd’s stature that it would cost Chucky or Beaulieu…. Which you yourself have now (this morning) admitted would never happen.”

            I said it was a problem because I would not trade Galchenyuk for Ladd at this time. I said that it might cost Beaulieu or Galchenyuk as centrepieces to a trade for Ladd and I stand by it…the two are equivalent statements. Ladd is more valuable than I think you are giving him credit for. Beaulieu is less valuable, at this time, than you are giving him credit for.

            But yes, your knickers were in a knot when you choose to escalate with a post like your original reply.

            “I can’t you believe you not only finished your post, but you also clicked “submit comment” on this.

            For a guy who enjoys shooting down everyone else’s trade suggestions and signings, you posted the MOST ridiculous trade proposal of the month!”

            That was your opening contribution to the discussion. So spare me your hurt feelings and lecture on civility. You chose to take it in that direction, and now you are upset that it went in that direction, albeit in a much milder form than what would normally happen on this site.

          • Bill J says:

            If you think I’m upset over this, your way off the mark.

            I stand by my reply, that “hurt your feelings” (even if that was not my intent) because it is what I perceived of it. Due to your recent “posts” to others as to why they are ridiculous to post such trade suggestions.

            I am not angry, and if you are taking that from my replies you would be wrong. The reason I keep replying, is because you keep adding more incredulous statements about ME, because I called out a post you wrote and can’t seem to understand that via text tone is lost, and if you’re not clear…. It can be miss understood.

            You clearly don’t care, so I will avoid replying to you in those circumstances and allow you to be misunderstood as you see fit.

            Go Habs Go!

  72. durocher says:

    If no one on the Jets’ roster is untouchable, what are everyone’s thoughts on targeting Andrew Ladd for a trade?

    He seems to be a prototypical MB player: he has character (Jets’ captain) and is big (6’3″, 205), and has won two Cups to boot.

    If Chucky moves to C, Ladd can take his spot on the left side. RW seems to be a bigger need for us, but is not as big a need if Gio re-signs.

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