Habs sign Fournier, three more prospects; camp ends Sunday

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Halifax Mooseheads captain Stefan Fournier, in action leading his team to the Memorial Cup this spring.
Courtesy Halifax Mooseheads

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin was busy Saturday, signing four players.

Free-agent forward Stefan Founier signed a three-year entry-level contract, and on his Twitter account he called it a “childhood dream come true” to put his name on the Habs’ dotted line.

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Here’s Fournier and a few of his teammates celebrating their Memorial Cup win last month.

Also signed Saturday: Hamilton Bulldogs goalie Robert Mayer for two years (two-way), and free-agent forwards Nick Tarnasky and Martin St-Pierre, both to one-year, two-way deals. A feature I wrote on Mayer, upon his brief, late February call-up, is here.

The releases from the Canadiens are below.

The team’s five-day development camp concludes at Brossard on Sunday morning with a 9:30 a.m., three-period intrasquad game featuring most of the 56 players who have taken part in the camp. The stands of the rink will be open to fans, seating on a first-come, first-seated basis. Get there early if you want to see the action.

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1,371 Comments

  1. habs1992 says:

    Sources telling me Rene Rancourt has agreed to a 2 year 2.25 million dollar extension with the Boston Bruins.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  2. Haborama says:

    @TheDude: they come to kill the rooster…….
    YA’KNOW HE AIN’T GONNA DDIIIEEE!!!!

  3. AH says:

    On Fournier: really like his size, as for his past with the broken leg and never being drafted, you can always take the glass half full approach: at 15 broke his leg, overcame that, then it re -broke, overcame that, continued playing high level junior hockey, at 21 Captained a Memorial Cup winning team, then attended the Montreal Canadiens development camp as an undrafted player and was signed to a 3 year contract.

    I don’t know about you but this guy sounds like a FIGHTER to me….

  4. jols101 says:

    @Ed, so you think it would have to be Beaulieu in order for St.Louis to trade Stewart to us. Well, if that is the case, I wouldn’t do it. BTW, I love Stewart and he is exactly what this team needs but I think Beaulieu is going to be a stud Dman. A top 4 guy. A power play guy. He has some tough and nasty to his game. He has it all. Reports out of development camp say he has put on muscle and him and Tinordi look to good to be at the camp. I think trading him would haunt us for many years.

    • Ed says:

      Yes. I expect Beaulieu to be an excellent player.

      He does not YET have it “all”, however.

      Because he struggles in his defensive zone coverage and decision making, and that’s a huge problem when you have NHL forwards barreling in on you.

  5. habs1992 says:

    I am hearing that if the habs want Stewart, the starting point starts with Gallagher and a 1st along with Corbin, this is just the starting point all part of the negotiations.

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

  6. jrshabs1 says:

    So I guess we at HIO hate Crisp because he’s 6 3 225 lbs and can fight plus score. Parros sucks to. McCarron was a terrible pick because he’s too big mean and can fight . Did I miss anything? I forgot.. trade Thrower because he’s tough mean and can fight to . MB sucks cause he didn’t draft enough small European’s who don’t like rough play and disappear come playoff time. Pat yourselves on the back…for being the greatest arm chair never played big league anything GM’s .

    • habstrinifan says:

      This is not an argument or anythin. I just read a review of the camp yesterday. Sounded like Thrower regressed badly. Just saying.

      And I’m a Crisp-a-holic so I am glad we got him.

    • Haborama says:

      Count me in the Crisp Camp, I love the guy and anyone who doesn’t can kiss my arse!

      Thrower seems to have a lot of issues though, his offence is not happening AT ALL and his overall play has gone down as well.

      I wonder if he’s been getting into the drugs or booze, that’ll do that to a guy.

      • AH says:

        Saw Thrower play this year in Edmonton, he looked fine, I was super excited the Habs got him because of his mean streak, disappointed to hear he has regressed….yes, I was wondering about “substances” with him too, so hope I am wrong.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Bite your tongue man! I’m in the hockey field and I raise my game when I get into the booze.

        Just to be clear.. I not a hockey GM. But I play one on HIO.

  7. Feraco says:

    Why would a rebuilding team trade a 1st round draft pick in Nathan Beaulieu for Stewart. Not old but an older player who is near FA years. Beaulieu is a RFA for the next 5-6 years. Pair that with a contract to Eller, PK…I like Stewart but something ain’t right here. Habs have no defensive depth right now. Prospects or AHL. A defensive prospect would have to come back!

    This is gonna be a long season boys and girls. Call it a transition year, call it a probe yourself year. Price is on a short leash, Eller and PK contracts to be signed, Briere is a short term fill.

  8. BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

    I like every player on the Habs. Just one problem. They’re not playoff players. Too soft and injury prone. For regular season when they are healthy at times very exciting to watch. Skill and speed. Playoffs they become schoolyard kids and get beat around. with the present group. They wouldn’t make it out of the 1st round. This time around may not make it to the playoffs. Remember 82-Games this time.

    I’m talking about the team today 06 July 2013. Maybe before the 1st game in October MB may have a very good team in place. If he stays put don’t expect the Habs to be a playoff team. A lot of injured and injury prone players returning.

  9. habs1992 says:

    Jagr really wants to play with Montreal, and sounds like it will happen. I would also be shocked if Habs got Stewart. SHOCKED

    I support Carey Price
    “Habs Insider”

    • habstrinifan says:

      Where did u hear the Stewat rumour please?

      Stewart and Jagr.. and I am gonna drive to MTL and buy MB a new suit myself.. if that happens. First his jacket was to short and I dont think his pant legs fell ‘oxford’ style.

      I mean HABS #1 Trinifan shouldnt have a better suit than Habs #1 honcho should he? And I do .. believe me.

      Just saying.

      I mean as P.K said “MB is one good looking Man!” Even that girl on TSN690 AM show said MB cant do anything wrong as far as her ‘female’ friends are concerned. All he needs is a new suit.

  10. Haborama says:

    Stewart would be a Godsend.

    His offense has declined a lot, and that should mean that we won’t have to fork over an excessive amount of players/prospects/picks.

    Put him and Galchenyuk on a line with Briere, now THAT would be something else…..

  11. Buzz Lightbeer says:

    Only good thing about Jagr would be his strong puck control along the boards and being able to dish out a nice pass to our smaller forwards and his possible chemistry with Pleks. But he is 42,had a miserable playoffs and i just don’t care much for him.
    If he does sign it will be a very strange season cheering for a habs team with Briere and Jagr. Just the thought would have made me ill in the past,and maybe a little now.

  12. Ed says:

    so there’s a player I want. It’s Chris Stewart of the Blues.

    he is an RFA. Just completed a 1 yr deal for 3 million.

    he has scored 100 goals, 102 assists in his first 319 NHL games.

    last year 18 goals and 18 assists in 48 games.

    he’s 6’2, 230 and will be 26 in October.

    he’s looking to cash in 4 or 5 years and probably 5 million per; like a Pacioretty deal.

    would you give up Beaulieu and a 1st, or Beaulieu and a 2nd??

    I know it sounds like a lot, but how many power forwards like Stewart are out there, and how badly do we need a guy like that?

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Same here, Ed.
      Fransakois was tracking Stewart and also Oshie yesterday.
      Even attempted some Amazing Kreskin-style telepathic control techniques. If that trade happens, a major piece will have been added and I’m getting my own tv show.

    • Andy says:

      Louis Leblanc and a 2nd

      • Ed says:

        Andy, are you serious? That’s not enough.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Add either Bournival or Holland

          Habfan17

        • Andy says:

          He had more points this past half season then he did in the last full season (36 this year compared to 30 previous).

          So question is who do you get, the on pace for 60-70 points, or the total 30 points. If only 30, would you give more than Louis and a 2nd?

          • Ed says:

            the previous 2 seasons were 28 goals in 62 games, and 28 goals in 77. I think he proved this year that the 2011 season was an off season for him, and he jumped right back on to the 28 goal pace.

          • Andy says:

            I don’t know if scoring 18 goals in a half season means that he proved he has jumped back to his old offensive touch, takes a full season to get a better idea. I’m just not sure about trading a 1st rounder and a prospect, for an unsigned RFA.

    • jols101 says:

      Coming from someone who would love Stewart, the 3 prospects I wouldn’t trade are Tinordi, Beaulieu and Colberg.

      However, I still would love him. A 1st rounder and any other prospect I would be OK with.

      • Ed says:

        I like Beaulieu. It’s not an easy player to give up. But he’s the one guy I would trade; Tinordi is out of the question, not even on the table.

        • Habfan17 says:

          After hearing the reports from the development camp, I would not include Beaulieu either. Perhaps Leblanc, Bournival and Ellis!

          Habfan17

          • Ed says:

            Bournival and Ellis are still long shot prospects. No one even knows if they will make the NHL.

            Leblanc’s value has never been lower.

            It’s not enough what you’re offering, in my opinion.

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ Ed, you are probably right. I would have said Pleks and Holland, but the Blues signed Roy, so they have no need for Pleks now.

            If they needed defense, I would say Gorges. Maybe they would want Moen in a package if they feel they are a few pieces short of a real cup run.

            Habfan17

      • habstrinifan says:

        Only one untouchable for me is Tinordi. I like Bournival a lot and will have sleepless nites.. but I would trade him.

        • Ed says:

          if they deal tinordi, it’s 1 step forward, 1 step back. makes no sense.

          we need to keep whatever power we have and add more power.

          if they deal tinordi, we need a new GM.

          so short answer. we agree.

    • HabFab says:

      TODAY
      “If need be, we have valuable pieces & if we have to move players it won’t be an issue finding a home” – Doug Armstrong

    • Ron says:

      I don’t like to see Nate go but if one was too put Ellis in his place along with another prospect and the 2nd round pick that might fly. Stewart would be a huge add to the club.

      • Ed says:

        Ellis is a good player, but he’s no different than 100 other guys just like him in the AHL.

        I’m quite certain it would take Beaulieu. Who is a 1st round pick and extremely likely to play 10- 15 seasons in the NHL

  13. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good evening all.
    Maritime Ron has posted Jagr’s stats below — not too impressive. Moreover, anyone who watched him in the playoffs could see how and big slow he is now. But he can pass, has serious hockey brains, and can play keep-away like Meadowlark Lemon. So two questions:

    1) Even if he’s no longer good enough for playoff hockey, would we welcome his help in a regular season while our prospects continue to incubate?

    2) How much do we read into reports about his enthusiasm for playing in Montreal? Gullible me loves to hear that (vs the Vinny scenario).

    • Andy says:

      1 – He would have to log a minimum of 16 mins per game to really assist, but I am not sure he still can (plus I do not think he can keep up with our style of speed). Would rather see us give that spot to a younger player and develop them if he is our only choice.

      2 – I have heard he wanted to play in Montreal for a couple years, but always seems to sign with another team (first Philly, then Dallas). Any player who signs a contract with Montreal wants to play here.

  14. Haborama says:

    HOCKEYYYYYY INSIDERRRRRRR is reporting that the Jagr deal is basically imminent, which means that it’s not gonna happen.

  15. fastfreddy says:

    Fournier is 6’3, 215bs. That’s not flimsy at all, sounds like a good prospect, I hope he does well at camp.
    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  16. Maritime Ron says:

    For the Jagr fans, just some cold hard facts to consider:

    - He turns 42 in February.

    – He scored ZERO goals in 20 playoff games playing almost 18 minutes a game.
    He had 3 assists and was Minus 2 in the 6 game Finals.

    – He had the the 4th worst Plus/Minus of 12 regular Bruins forwards in the playoffs at Minus-1. The Bruins leader was Nathan Horton at +20 and 7 Bruins forwards were at +3 or better.

    – We need to develop our youngsters. Who does he steal development minutes from be it even strength or PP?

  17. HabFab says:

    Brennan Klak – I get the sense that there will be some trade activity in the coming weeks. Lots of teams are in cap trouble.

    So a Diax or Boullion can be traded for a $ 3 ml defensemen OR
    a Moen can be traded for a $3 ml forward OR a DD or Bourque traded for a $ 5 ml forward.

    Bergevin has gone on record as saying this would most likely be his route to improve the team over spending crazy money for a UFA.

    • Andy says:

      Would not be upset if we traded Moen or DD, hate to see Boullion go but could live with it.

      I still think Bourque is good for his cap hit, he can skate and play in the dirty part of the ice. As for Diaz, would like to see him play a full season and stay healthy before deciding to move him or not.

  18. Timo says:

    Read few latest comments… Have Habs signed Jagr? I always had a soft spot for him becuase of his hair. I wonder if Habs have to pony up for his hair products? Do they for Carey’s?

  19. SmartDog says:

    I read with interest what Ed said about Fournier’s leg injury being the reason he was not not drafted. (Leg broken twice, lack of explosiveness since.)

    Those who have seen him, did you notice this? He puts up a LOT of points for a guy who is slow. He must have a good hockey sense and nice hands to go along with size and toughness. Good for the Habs to sign him.

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    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  20. Haborama says:

    good signing

    Not sure about Jagr, he’s still got skill and shot but his speed is mostly gone. It would be a good for forward depth though.

    Is the Philly deal still being rumored?

  21. HabFanSince72 says:

    Jagr had the equivalent of a 35 goal, 70 pt regular season last year.

    He led the Stars for power play goals (one of our biggest weaknesses).

    Count me in the sign him camp.

  22. The Juice says:

    I’ll say this about Jagr. Dallas signed him for one year and ended up with a boat load of picks/prospects at the deadline in return…

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    “To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high!”

  23. Andy says:

    I really do not understand why Montreal would want to sign Jagr. If we are trying to build our team through youth and don’t feel that we are able to contend yet, what is the point. He only has one year left in him (if that). We should focus on bringing someone in or promoting a longer term player who can help lead our team in the future. Trading for Bobby Ryan would have been nice.

    • Fransaskois says:

      Goes back to what MB said about being unable to build your team through Free Agency. We won’t likely be signing/trading/overpaying for marquee young players, we’ll be drafting and developing those marquee players. Jagr would be brought in for leadership and to ease the development of our young players, not as a player brought in to push for the playoffs.

      We didn’t have the available assets to make a deal for Ryan. We don’t have similar prospects or players to what Ottawa gave up (Silfverberg, Noesen). We may want to consider making a move for a younger, yet-to-break-out Ryan (Silfverberg) by moving some aging assets.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I agree, and I think in one or two years, Ottawa will regret what they did.

        Habfan17

      • Andy says:

        Agreed, picking up a young player who has not hit his potential would be ideal. I have not heard what Jagr is like in the dressing room, does he offer leadership to his younger teammates?

        • Fransaskois says:

          From what I hear, he’s a great leader. Apparently, he was instrumental in bringing out the French Canadian superstar in Claude Grioux.

          • Andy says:

            Well if we do sign him, hopefully he can help our younger players as well. I find sometimes we assume that veteran players are good leaders in the room, because of the fact they are older and have been in the league awhile.

    • SmartDog says:

      > I really do not understand why Montreal would want to sign Jagr.
      Read the two posts above yours.

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    • BELIEVE IT OR NOT says:

      Andy – MB is not trying to rebuild this year maybe not next year. MB is waiting to see what he can pick from the kids development. Than the real Rebuilding will start.

      MB is trying this year to put a team in place that can compete.

  24. Marc10 says:

    Can’t help but feel the Jagr signing is 4 years too late. A full season will be taxing. He will need nights off to make sure he’s got something in the tank come the playoffs.

    But yeah… Jagr, Briere, Subban and Markov on the PP with Chucky or Eller … That’s a clinic.

  25. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Habs won’t get Jagr. Eklund says the Habs have the edge, which is the kiss of death.

    Jagr and Pleks play so damn well together that this would be a birthday gift to Tomas, and I would be okay with that. Pleks has been much maligned, especially here on HIO. During the Habs magic run to the ECF a few years back, Pleks was a two-way machine; for me he was the unsung hero of that run.

    • Odie24 says:

      But Eklund is always right! Hahahaha

    • Habfan17 says:

      I look at it this way, if MB really is looking to sign Penner, and/or Jagr, someone would have to go.

      Patches, DD, Briere
      Bourque, Pleks, Gionta
      Prust, Galchenyuk, Gallagher
      Moen, Eller, White, Parros, Blunden, Dumont, Penner, Jagr,

      Too many cooks spoil the soup!

      Habfan17

    • Thurston says:

      Now, the reports (from more legit sources than Eklund) is that the Habs are not going to get him.

  26. Maritime Ron says:

    Absolutely love these signings!

    I would like to qualify this post by presenting just a few NHLers that were never drafted.

    Most know that David Clarkson and Marty St.Louis were never drafted, yet there have been several others over the years.

    Starting with our Habs, Francis Bouillon, Rene Bourque, and DD
    were never drafted.

    Torey Krug that played some nice D for Boston in the playoffs was never drafted.
    Tyler Bozak was never drafted.
    Goalies such as Niklas Backstrom, Antti Niemi, and Vezina winner Sergei Bobrovsky were never drafted.
    Other recent notables are Canucks Dman Jason Garrison, Ville Leino, John Madden, Rich Peverley….
    —–
    Being nowhere near the draft junior experts that post on these threads, I had the opportunity to see 5 Moosehead games live this year at the Metro Center – more out of curiosity about MacKinnon and Drouin, that both looked bored sometimes as it was men against boys.
    Another fella that jumped out was Marty Frk a 2nd Round pick of Detroit.

    Then there was this co-Captain named Stephan Fournier that was fearless and ALWAYS stuck up and protected his guys and had no trouble hanging out in the crease.

    He has a lot of great things going for him and perhaps it was his skating at a younger age that discouraged older scouts.
    The past Habs regimes never sign this youngster…

    I asked around about the things that don’t show up in a stats sheet, and this young guy is all about character and maturity way beyond his years.

    While one never knows, don’t be surprised to see this guy wearing the CH in about 2-3 years.

    Some naysayers may say, “Yea, right, like 29 other teams got it wrong.”

    The answer becomes, stuff happens sometimes – see above.

    • Ed says:

      Fournier broke his leg as a 15 year old. There was a large pin inserted during surgery to help the bone heal. I was at a game at Jacques Lemaire arena in Lasalle, Quebec, when the pin loosened and the leg was busted again in the same place.

      He has since lacked explosiveness.

      If he can get past this, and skate at NHL speed, then, yes, I believe he could make it.

      But this is the reason he was never drafted, nor was he signed as a non-drafted free agent up to now.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Ed
        That’s enough to scare a lot of teams….but guys recover such as our own Galchenyuk that should have been #1 if teams were not afraid. He was a steal at # 3.

        • Ed says:

          Galchenyuk had a knee injury, and full recovered his speed immediately. It has been several years since Fournier’s injury.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Perhaps we can agree and hope that Fournier pans out and the cost was nothing including a draft choice.

          • Ed says:

            as I said, if he can develop into an NHL skater than he can make it.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      Agree totally with you. Some players develop late and this could be the case with Fournier. Big guy, can score and not afraid to mix it up.
      Watch the movie “Invincible” (based on a true story) with Mark Wahlberg. Remember anything can happen if your given the chance and grab the gold ring.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • Habfan17 says:

      I love then too, especially Fournier. I have heard that his skating is not great, as Timmins says, you can teach skating, but not character, heart, or hockey sense. Both Robitaille and Brett Hull were late draft picks due to concerns about their skating. I am not saying Fournier is in the same category as them, only that like them, he can over come the skating. Someone else pointed out a severely broken leg and a pin. Did not Serge Savard break his leg not once but twice and very badly. Back then, medical treatment was no where near what it is today.

      Habfan17

  27. thehabsfan29 says:

    Roy to Blues- 1 Year

    • Mark C says:

      That’s funny. There were posters poo poo others for suggesting a DD to St. Louis trade. Now the Blues sign Roy.

      • Ed says:

        Roy is much more experienced than Desharnais Mark. I think the league needs to see Desharnais produce for at least 1 more season.

        Roy is also a much better skater than Desharnais and he can be used in different situations.

        Desharnais’ terrible power play performance last season was not helpful, since he doesn’t have the quickness to kill penalties.

        • Mark C says:

          I’d take my chances with David, at least I can expect him to be on the ice. Roy has only had one healthy season in the last four, experience doesn’t help if its in the press box most of the season. He too hasn’t done anything notable on the PP in years.

    • Andy says:

      4 million

      Lifelong Habs Fan

  28. HabFab says:

    Now up to 44 players under contract or qualified;
    - 6 goaltenders
    - 14 defensemen
    - 24 forwards

    Does not include the 3 Juniors nor Andrighetto.

    • Bripro says:

      So if you include the 3, that leaves them 3.
      Unless some are on the maximum reserve list.
      How many is that now, with the new CBA? Still 90?

      • HabFab says:

        The 90 list is for total players owned by the club.
        50 is the operating players under contract list.
        The 3 Juniors don’t count unless they turn pro. Called the sliding rule. And the only way they can turn pro is to make the Habs.

  29. Bripro says:

    Signing Penner is an enigma.
    During his years with the Oilers, he averaged over 20 goals/season.
    And an effective player.
    Then came L.A. and injuries.
    If he’s healthy, he’d be a great pick up. Only 31-32 years old?
    Jagr I’m not so sure.
    Was his lack of performance in the playoffs because he’s too old?
    Or was it because they didn’t play him right?
    He’d be decent on the 4th line.

  30. pher pher says:

    I like what Bergevin is doing. You only have so much cap space to work with. If I could change something with what’s available, I’d trade Desharnais for some picks and sign Derek Roy.

    • Bripro says:

      Most of the trade proposals here are questionable at best.
      But I like that one. Roy wasn’t too effective last year, missing most of it,
      but he’s a heck of a player, as well as being bigger and stronger.
      That trade I would go for.

      • Fransaskois says:

        It’s a sad day when you’re acquiring Derek Roy because he’s “bigger and stronger.” :D

        • Bripro says:

          It’s a sad day when someone comments without having read the entire statement. “He’s a heck of a player….” was in there too.

          • Fransaskois says:

            Oh I read the whole thing. Desharnais is also “a heck of a player” when you get over his size. At this point in their career, Roy and Desharnais have similar value and skills. Roy is more of a shooter, Desharnais a playmaker. 500k salary difference. Roy would have likely been a very slight upgrade on our current roster but would not fill any holes we currently have.

          • Ed says:

            Roy played in 42 games last season, and had 7 goals 22 assists and 28 points.

          • Fransaskois says:

            I think you added your points wrong, Ed.

            Desharnais played in 48 games last year, 10 goals and 18 assists for 28pts. Fairly comparable stats.

  31. adamkennelly says:

    Tarnasky was on my list of guys to get this year. He had a great season in the AHL – I’m confident that he will skate some games with the Habs.

  32. silverfox says:

    Why can’t many on this forum deal with some healthy criticism. This is not a booster club. Of course GMs have a lot of knowledge we are unaware of but many make stupid mistakes and not in retrospect. Good coaches and GMs do the obvious (coaches play the stars) and GMs strengthen their teams by acquiring assets the team needs most. For the Habs that is obviously size and durability. Briere fills neither of those needs and four mil could have been spent more wisely.

    I have hope for MB but I won’t for long if he doesn’t beef up this team in the off season.

    • HABSNFO says:

      Lecavalier, Briere, now Jagr why does MB think he needs these guys??? I am more interested in the Fournier signing. The habs don’t need another 8th ,10th finish. Sink or swim with your youth and get the draft picks. Forget this Stanley cup dreaming until you build a serious product on the ice. The only stud we have is Subban. Until a couple more are found then you may have a contender. Until then keep dreaming.

    • Sean Bonjovi says:

      “GMs strengthen their teams by acquiring assets the team needs most”

      I think an NHL GM examines all Available! options and choses that or those which most benefit his team.

      “Attach Brian Campbell’s legs to Andrei Markov’s body and you’ll have a really smart hockey player with four legs. Now, remove Markov’s original legs and you’ve got Nathan Beaulieu”
      -Sean Bonjovi

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Good point Bonjo.
      I also think good GMs are infinitely more acutely aware of what’s needed now, what later, short-term/long-term, and of sub-surface factors that fans never know about.
      What happens a good deal on fan-sites is:
      a) fan is puzzled by GM move; therefore…
      b) … fan chastises GM, perhaps calls for his firing.

  33. habstrinifan says:

    You guys have me going back and forth on Jagr.

    Either you guys are real good or I have become a weak-kneed lily-livered wimp.

    Now I dont know which side to come down on.

  34. Ed says:

    I’m sorry, but Jagr? seriously? no, seriously? really?

  35. habstrinifan says:

    Why is everybody hating on Crisp?

  36. Denjen says:

    Don’t want Penner or Jagr and I don’t want a kick to the junk!

  37. Captain aHab says:

    Has @The_Creasy called any previous acquisitions before they were announced? If not, he’s just another guy like Eklund trying to rile people up.

    —————-
    Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • commandant says:

      The_Creasy, HockeyInsiderr, all these anonymous twitter people are the worst.

      They aren’t even as good as Eklund (and Eklund sucks). They are teenage kids sitting in their parents basements with anonymous twitter accounts.

      Notice how real insiders like McKenzie, Dreger, Lebrun, Renaud Lavoie, etc…. use their real names, make money off their contacts, and work for major media organizations. There is a reason for that.

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  38. HabFanSince72 says:

    Interview with McCarron weighing the pros/cons of OHL/college on tsn.ca.

    He says one of his biggest assets is fighting, which you can only do in the OHL.

  39. thehabsfan29 says:

    Only way I would sign penner is if it was 1yr/600k at most

    Jagr is obviously the better player to pick up

  40. habs1992 says:

    Hearing we are either getting, Penner or Jagr.

    I support Carey Price
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  41. JarryPark says:

    @The_Creasy: #Habs Bergevin, among others, still negotiating a long-term deal with Dustin Penner. Believed to be the hold up in getting Jagr signed.

    @The_Creasy: Asked #Habs source if they are out on Jagr: “That’s news to me!”

    @The_Creasy: As I have stated previously, Penner plan A and Jagr plan B. #Habs

  42. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS
    All about your favorite GM (for now).
    Give Marc Bergevin a letter grade for his work so far in:
    1. Leadership & Vision
    2. Communication
    3. Trades
    4. Signings
    5. Drafting
    - Now total those (as you like) into one grade: __
    (Feel free to explain or elaborate.)
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    • Rugger says:

      A A A B A = 3.8 Dean’s List!
      Actually, 4 should be inc. until we see how this year’s signings go
      and 5 should take several years to eval but Galenchuk (sp?) gets his grade early.

      Unrelated, but heard there was a train explosion near Lac Megantic (again, spelling?) Hope all the HIO gang are okay.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Sorry cant grade.

      Nos. 1 and 2 are just too easy and also very subjective conclusions. I need to see the ‘iceberg hit’ before I honestly judge whether he can save the Titanic with his leadership and vision.

      3. Actually this is a plus.. the Trades he has made are quite sound.

      4. Signings ..twofold answer.. ahl bound players GREAT

      Bigteam… c.
      5. Drafting.. last year was too easy… this year still too many questions. Again need time here.

      Thanks for the questions.. forgive my weak-arsed answers.

  43. habs1992 says:

    3 Teams interested in Jagr, but Jagr is most interested in Habs, (I would have no problem signing Jagr to 1 year 2-3 million dollar contract,

    I support Carey Price
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  44. Denjen says:

    Hey all! Like the additions. Bulldogs were bad last yr , nothing wrong with these signings to bolster the farm. Once again all your banter has entertained me! Now on to another beer.

  45. The Dude says:

    Nic Cage’s view on the Habs and the job MB’s doing http://tinyurl.com/2fo5zjg

  46. Habfan17 says:

    So, MB has addressed size for the bottom 6 forward spots without giving up one asset! Who knows for sure if any of them will crack the Habs roster, but you have to hand it to MB, he is doing what he said, building from within, not giving away prospects and looking to the future.

    Habfan17

  47. Chris says:

    Down below, Ben mentioned that he liked the St. Pierre signing the best.

    Let me second that by saying that I absolutely love this signing. I had the good fortune of watching Martin St. Pierre play four years in Guelph with the Storm. That kid had the heart of a lion. NOBODY played harder than St. Pierre. He’s not blessed with great speed, or size or outstanding puck skills. What he is blessed with is a tremendous work ethic. St. Pierre gives 100% in every game.

    For those that harp on his size, he’s not signed for the NHL. He’s signed to make the Bulldogs better. They are now better. But I will also point out that he routinely went head-to-head against both Corey Perry and Mike Richards in junior and he always performed.

    • commandant says:

      Exactly, he is signed to make the Bulldogs better.

      A major problem for the Bulldogs last year was offence… their leading scorers had like 30 something points.

      You can’t develop offensive kids, if they don’t get the chance to play with other offensive players, and guys like St. Pierre, they don’t get opportunities with the puck on their sticks and don’t develop the offence. This is important to our future.

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  48. Whatever says:

    These small signings are boring. Has Price cured cancer or solved world hunger yet?

  49. Habs1st says:

    This site needs a “like” “dislike” button! (Hmmmm, I wonder how many “dislike” comments this post will get?)

  50. Max_Hab_Fan says:

    Clarkson was unsigned. Just sayin’. Maybe Fournier turns into something, maybe not. Good signing either way. Like his size and skill set. Just what we have been asking for.

  51. formerly known as the hc says:

    With the lockout, our GM has only really been on the job for 8 months. This, like building any program in any sport, takes time and patience. For those of you thinking that this (or any) GM would turn this team into a contender in 2 years or less, know nothing about sport.

    • The Jackal says:

      You’re right. Fans are just impatient.

      Either way, by now you can get a picture of what MB is doing. For the most impatient fans, his approach will ruffle their feathers because the results are not instant. Making big deals/signings may placate them for a while, until they start to stink!

      MB has done very good job thus far. He has restocked our prospect pool in a short time and has added players like Fournier and others who have a shot at being good players in the NHL. He has also added players for the AHL to help our young guys develop and has drafted for depth. With Price and Fucale, we are set in goal, and it also gives Price some competition and makes him movable should he falter and should Fucale shine. He has also added size, toughness, grit and character at both levels.

      Some balk at the small forwards we drafted, but they are very skilled and it’s not as if all 3 will make the team. They are projects that if successful can become goal scorers like Gallagher.

      All in all, our asset pool has improved a lot in 8 months and the team is moving in the right direction.

      Marc the Mouth? That must be an attempt at comedy, because Marc is a man of action.

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      • habstrinifan says:

        So anyone who thought ‘a contender in 4 yrs’ know nothing about sport?

        • The Jackal says:

          I didn’t say I know more or that people don’t know anything about sports.
          I’m just backing up MB and stating that many fans are impatient and that his approach is easy to criticize because it is not characterized by big deals to get big name players but by getting picks and developing our own stars, which is slow and is a combination of many moves, some of which may not make sense on their own.

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        • formerly known as the hc says:

          I will admit that 4 years was a bit outrageous, ok, quite outrageous. However, those calling for “right now”… yup, they know nothing about sport.

    • habstrinifan says:

      You didnt have to add the “know nothing about sport” part. You were doing fine. Some fans see need for more dramatic moves, more urgency, more risks.. you do not. Doesnt mean they know “nothing”.

      • formerly known as the hc says:

        I didn’t have to, I just don’t like the short-sightedness. Those wanting “right now” (a year or 2) know nothing about sport. At least, know nothing about building a program.

  52. The Jackal says:

    Attention HIO – MB sucks less today, MB sucks less today!

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    • habstrinifan says:

      Agreed.. couple of the players he signed today especially Tarnasky looks like viable call-ups if injury hits us. Hamilton should be bigger by lots too, which may mean that our skilled players’s development is accelerated. Good news maybe for a LeBlanc etc.

  53. habs1992 says:

    Jagr would take paycut to play for the habs.

    I support Carey Price
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  54. Ian Cobb says:

    Looks like Bergevin is sticking to his plan. And he has addressed a little more size, sand paper and grit, without moving any of our prospects. Great job so far.

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  55. SmartDog says:

    Okay so basically this all to bolster the Bulldogs, which is a good thing.

    And Fournier has a long shot at the NHL being 21 and undrafted but also the EXACT kind of player we need (tough and big and can score), and putting up good numbers as a Memorial Cup winning Captain.

    All good.

    Now prove the know-nothings on here wrong and sign Jagr to one year. This guy still has it, he was one of the best on the ice some games in the playoffs and can teach our younger guys about puck possession and passing. He’s a freakin’ hockey legend with something to teach. Unlike Briere who’s a small guy, with concussion issues, and doesn’t seem like much of a teacher. Oh, but I forgot – Briere is… never mind.
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    • commandant says:

      Plekanec and Jagr have great chemistry.

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    • HabCez says:

      I have no problems with Jagr.
      He makes it a habit of embarrassing a lot of wanna be GM’s.
      No matter how many points he puts up..

      Those wanna be GM’s will get it right someday but I think Jagr still has a year in the tank.

      “Emelin’s the real deal.”
      - HabCez

      • The Jackal says:

        I’d say 2 years, and I hope he signs with
        Bourque Pleks Jagr
        Briere? DD Pacioertty
        Gally Eller Chucky
        Parros White Prust

        Would be nice :D
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        • HabCez says:

          Yep also someone Gal (Chucky) can really look up too..
          This year gonna be real crucial for our rookies and I don’t mind having a skilled proven Vet there to talk too.
          One on One!

          “Emelin’s the real deal.”
          - HabCez

          • Ron says:

            Would that lead too some room decention with the team leaders now. Have Chucky pass by Gionta, Plek or anyother vet and go to Jagr and ask advise would cause a problem.

          • HabCez says:

            Can’t reply to Ron directly but Gionta more of a role model for Gally I would think.
            Gio a workhorse just like Jagr.. they will have mutual respect.
            Jagr knows his role and he wont be around forever and I think Plecy and Gio know it so no conflict.

            PS: my opinion I think Plecy’s play and attitude on the ice tanked a lil when Jagr was rejected by the habs in the past.

            “Emelin’s the real deal.”
            - HabCez

  56. Psycho29 says:

    Thank You WJC for probably the post of 2013 thus far in the previous thread.
    Hope you don’t mind that I re-post it here….Its a classic and I agree 100%:

    wjc JULY 6, 2013 AT 12:45 PM

    So Timo what would you have done, better? This should be interesting..

    Also, you have an excellent chance of being right. If you are totally negative, you cannot be wrong or small chance anyways.

    If for example you say, “Canadiens will not win the cup next year” you will probably be right. You could say that about 28 other teams and be ‘RIGHT’. So being negative has its own reward, because you spend all summer saying, how bad Montreal will be and be good until, October. If they get off to a good start, you can say “Won’t last” and probably be right.

    But, if you are wrong and they continue to play well, you will say “can’t last,” good chance of being right.

    When they make it to the playoffs, and you say, “they are not built for the playoffs” and if they win, you will say, “everybody gets lucky” and if they continue to win, you will say “wait and see, it cannot last.” and If they finally lose in the third round you will say ” told you so”

    You will finally be right and then if will start all over again, they should have done more at trade deadline, they should have gotten rid of this player that player, Prices fault can’t win the big games.

    Never ending and conveniently ignoring the the other 28 teams that fall short or fail to make the playoffs.

    Instead of talking hockey, chat up the women instead.

  57. durocher says:

    Would you do it?

    Pleks and Beaulieu for Couturier and Coburn

    Max-DD-Gally11
    Bourque-Briere-Gio
    Gally27-Eller-Prust
    Moen/White-Couturier-Parros

    Coburn-PK
    Markov-Emelin
    Gorgy-Cube/Tinordi

  58. Habs1st says:

    Oops, didn’t realize there was a new thread! Spent too much time typing this to leave it on an old thread! :)

    People keep in mind a few things:
    NHL execs, GMs, scouts, coaches etc. know a lot more than we do. Even if some make bonehead moves.
    Contracts for existing NHL players are made based on performance of prior years that does not mean that current/future years will be the same or better than prior years. If DD played/plays like he did 2 & 3 years ago its a good deal. If DD plays like he did last year, send him to the ECHL (he’s not good enough for the AHL!). For the record, my issue with him is his size and contract length. I don’t like either.
    Drafting, especially after the top 10, is a crap shoot. There are players from the 1st round of every draft, even from the top 10 that are a bust. And there are players from the 7th round every year that have a stellar NHL career. Drafting is based on how players perform against non-NHL players. They may or may not perform the same in the NHL and you don’t know that until they are in the NHL.
    If we, as fans, don’t want Markov – bad knees, getting too old, DD – too small, Moen – washed up, etc., etc., etc. Why on earth do you think any of the other 29 teams will give up a better player/top prospect/high draft pick to get our often injured, too small, washed up player? Or a really good player for a combination of old, washed up, oft-injured players? Add draft picks? If the player coming to MTL helps us that much, the draft pick going the other way would be very low and MTL would be jeopardizing its long-term future.
    While our team is the best in our minds, unfortunately our team currently does not have top talent/right crop of players to be a top contender for the Cup. As a result, we do not have the assets to make a trade without taking away the limited amount of really good players we have and giving up on our future by trading our top young talent and our draft picks.

    I, for one, believe in our GM. I think he’s the best we’ve had in a long time. I think he will make our team better and make our team a contender, but it will take time, i.e. another year or two at a minimum. And it will come through drafting and through astute, well thought-out trades.
    Keep in mind, hind-sight is 20-20! Things will get better folks. GO HABS!!!!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      “Oops, didn’t realize there was a new thread! Spent too much time typing this to leave it on an old thread!”

      If I had a buck for every time I’ve done this! (Now to read your post…)

    • SmartDog says:

      You’re right GMs know a THOUSAND times more than we do. But they are also biased by things that we don’t care about (like where someone is from) and take gambles that even to the average hockey fan don’t make sense (Kaberle, Gomez, DD).

      The “wisdom of crowds” is often right. There will always be people who love or hate any deal, but when most people go “WTF??!!”.. often they are right. Which really worries me about this Briere deal BTW.

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      • Habs1st says:

        True. But that’s where the “hindsight is 20-20″ comment comes in. I would hope, knowing what we all know now, that the MTL GMs involved, would never have made the Gomez, Kaberle and, possibly, the DD moves.

        I like potential “upside” of the Briere move, what worries me is that he is nearing the end of his career and therefore may not be able to play as good as he used to and the injury potential. And, of course, adding a small player to a small team.

        The best thing about this site is that we can all voice our opinion. The worst thing about this site is that we can all voice our opinion. :)

      • habstrinifan says:

        WOW! What an excellent point which if I may say so I have posted before. You said it more succintly and quotable than I did.. but “the wisdom of crowds” is often right. Very very true.

        Case in point.. Gomez signing!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      “NHL execs, GMs, scouts, coaches etc. know a lot more than we do.”
      – On HIO we pay lip-service to this reality. Deep down, however, we know it simply cannot possibly be really true.

      “Drafting is based on how players perform against non-NHL players. They may or may not perform the same in the NHL and you don’t know that until they are in the NHL.”
      – You need to move on, buddy, and take your rational, well-argued opinions to intelligenthockeydiscourse.com and share them with the 8 other people there. Folks don’t take kindly to your kind round these parts.

      “Why on earth do you think any of the other 29 teams will give up a better player/top prospect/high draft pick to get our often injured, too small, washed up player?”
      - Explain yourself: where the hell were you YESTERDAY when all of us were excoriating MB for not trading our small, injured, washed-ups for Crosby, Malkin or Toews or all three? Talk about missing the boat!

      Cheers!

  59. Mavid says:

    Going over to have a visit with my precious granddaughter later..she will be a month old tomorrow..she has made my world so much better..enjoy your afternoon and GO HABS GO

  60. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Jagr is like a woman who would not go out with you when she was hot and now, older and not hot anymore, wants to hook up with you. Pass…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  61. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Even though they tried last season, the guys in Hamilton took a beating. That will not happen this year. Adding Tarnasky, Fournier and Crisp to Sortini and Hagel will help a great deal. Good moves by MB.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  62. NS-Hab says:

    Fournier is a 6′+ power winger who drives the net hard. A Gallagher, only bigger. Good hands and “Character guy”.

    • ProHabs says:

      If he was that good, shouldn’t he have been drafted. It is not as if he was playing in Timbucktoo. He was the captain of the Memorial Cup Champions. With 30 teams drafting over 7 rounds, how come nobody took this guy. Kind of odd considering his size.

      • 24 Cups says:

        Once again skating seems to be the deal breaker.

        I still think it’s a good signing. Not much to lose on either end.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Wasn’t that why Robitaille and Brett Hull were drafted so late? Not saying Fournier is comparable to them, I would say he is more comparable to Kyle Beach with his numbers in junior, Fournier, has more points, less penalty minutes. Like Timmins says, you can teach skating, you can’t teach character, heart, and hockey sense.

          Habfan17

      • formerly known as the hc says:

        … and never before has a good player fallen through the cracks to not be drafted yet excel in the NHL, right? Time will tell, we shall see.

  63. haboholic68NJ says:

    Fournier is a great signing for the Dogs and may one day have a shot at the big club. This big kid has yet to loose a fight and can score.

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  64. johnnylarue says:

    Will Fournier’s use of the feminine version of the word “fier” to describe himself become the Pleky “little girl” meme v2.0?

  65. Haberoooo13 says:

    Hamilton needs players. Ternasky could replace White I suppose…Fournier is the kind of heart and sould guy who could turn to be a perfect 4th line center

    Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

  66. NightRyder says:

    Great signings for Hamilton. You can’t have all 20-year-olds. Proven scorers like St. Pierre will help make the young kids better. Tarnasky will give them a bit of room.
    However, calling anyone other than Fournier “prospects” is a reach.

  67. BJ says:

    I watched about 35-40 Hamilton games last year and they had the same problem being undersized as the Habs. One guy I saw play 4-5 times is Nick Tarnasky (very tough and a decent scoring touch, at least in the games I saw him in). A welcomed addition to Hamilton. And I wouldn’t mind seeing him play against the Leafs, Flyers and Bruins. Finally we are starting to beef up and creating a bit of a cushion for the smaller guys to display their creativity.

  68. Plekasuares says:

    Pleky could get one of his bestfriends to play in Montreal! The canadiens are talking to Jagr as thats what twitter says, but then again it is just twitter.

  69. HabFanSince72 says:

    The Northeast has seen a real arms race lately. It started with the Bruins and the truculent Leafs. Then Buffalo signed John Scott after Lucic ran Miller. Then Ottawa decided to get into it by signing Kassian.

    Ottawa in the playoffs and Toronto during the regular season clearly set out to hit and possibly injure our players.

    MB had no choice.

    I just wonder how keen Parros will be to take on Scott, Kassian, Thornton, Orr etc …. night after night. A link to hockeyfights posted earlier shows he lost fights to every one of those guys last year.

    • BJ says:

      I saw the Scott fight and would give Parros the decision, he decked him with a left and took down Scott. He held is own vs Orr. He does well in most fights.

    • SmartDog says:

      What are you smokin? Parros won the Scott fight, or at very least held his own (a draw). Both got in a punch or two but it was more of a defensive battle with Scott falling after a Parros shake and punch.

      In the Orr fight, Orr got his sweater off and Parros had nothing to hold onto. Still, another draw in my view. But I watched several Parros fights and he won or tied all of the ones I saw. This is no Tom the Bomb. Parros is big and strong enough – and he knows what he’s doing. He uses his reach well and holds off the other guy from landing much of anything. I don’t think guys will want to fight him anymore than they want to take on Scott.

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  70. Bill H says:

    Is he undrafted? I see he is at Habs development camp now.

  71. commandant says:

    I like the St. Pierre signing best.

    He likely will never get a sniff of playing for the Habs, but the Bulldogs are in desperate need of a centre who can put up points in the AHL.

    A player like St. Pierre is necessary to helping our young wingers like Thomas, Leblanc, Qualier, Andrighetto, and others who will be in the AHL next season. Gotta have someone to get them the puck.

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Every other H I/O’er hates the signing based on googling his height.

      Thanks for your refreshing insights.

    • Haberoooo13 says:

      But you know the haters are going to focus on his and Briere’s size and ignore Parros, Fournier and Tarnasky…

      Na Na Na Les Canadiens Les Canadiens

    • florida habs says:

      what’s the story with Fournier? his numbers look good/captain/size

      • Ron says:

        Is not a strong skater. Maybe they can work with him on that.

      • commandant says:

        I’ve got to see more. He’s a project at this point.

        Plenty of 20 year old overagers, especially on a great team like Halifax, and those with size, and overage often put up great numbers. He’s worthy of a chance and he can help in the AHL, but he’s got a ways to go too…

        Always worth taking these shots cause maybe 1/10 becomes a late bloomer, but ust be careful not to overrate him either.

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  72. Stevie.Ray says:

    My goal is to follow the Bulldogs more next season.

  73. thebonscott says:

    thats why the development camp, is a great idea, invite ppl who were looked over at the draft, basically, adds round 8, 9, and 10.
    Love the fournier signing, he could be a steal.
    Also, see MB is surrounding bulldogs with guys who did well at ahl last year, so will raise everyones confidence if have a better team.

    GET BIGGER, GET TOUGHER, GET EVEN.

  74. Mavid says:

    89 days till regular season starts

  75. Max_Hab_Fan says:

    First!
    Like the Fournier signing. Big body, sticks up for his team mates.
    Hope he likes the AHL and does well.


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