Habs send Tinordi and Dumont back to Bulldogs, call up Beaulieu

Before practice Friday morning in Brossard, the Canadiens sent defenceman Jarred Tinordi and forward Gabriel Dumont back to the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs.

In six games with the Canadiens, Tinordi had one assist and was plus-2, while Dumont had two assists and was even in plus/minus in eight games.

The latest rookie defenceman entering the revolving door of the blueline corps is Nathan Beaulieu, who has been called up from Hamilton. Beaulieu was the Canadiens’ first-round draft choice (17th overall) in 2011. He has six goals, 19 assists and is minus-9 with the Bulldogs.

Coach Michel Therrien announced after practice that Beaulieu would be in the lineup Saturday against the New York Rangers (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690) and that Carey Price would start in goal.

Brandon Prust, who has been sidelined with a shoulder injury, joined his teammates on the ice for practice Friday, while Renaud Lavoie of RDS reported on Twitter that he’s been told Ryan White (ankle) will be back in the lineup soon. White skated alone before practice. Defenceman Yannick Weber has also been cleared for a return to action after recovering from a lower-body injury.

Prust practised on a line with Lars Eller and Alex Galchenyuk, while Colby Armstrong dropped down to right wing on a line with Jeff Halpern and Travis Moen.

“I’m feeling ready to go, so we’re going to make a final decision tomorrow after the skate, or even after warm up,” Prust told reporters after practice.

The only players who weren’t on the ice for practice were Raphael Diaz and Rene Bourque, both sidelined with concussions.

The forward lines at practice were: Ryder-Plekanec-Gionta; Gallagher-Desharnais-Pacioretty; Prust-Galchenyuk-Eller; Armstrong-Halpern-Moen. Blunden was the odd man out.

Defence pairings were: Subban-Gorges; Markov-Emelin; Bouillon-Kaberle/Weber.

Habs prove they are competitive, by Pat Hickey

Hall of Famer Bourque would love to see P.K. Subban with Bruins, by Stu Cowan

Happy 85th birthday, Mr. Hockey! by The Canadian Press

An inglorious end to Iginla era in Calgary, by Bruce Arthur of Postmedia News

Penguins push winning streak to 14, by The Associated Press

583 Comments

  1. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I’m still in a state of buforia

  2. SteverenO says:

    Trying to figure out the point of this move; sending down Tinordi and calling up Beaulieu.

    Both Patteryn and Tinordi handled themselves as well as could be expected. nether were given enough rope (playing time) to determine if they could fill the role of 6th defenceman on a regular basis.

    For that matter, we could say the exact same thing about Weber. Kaberle is the only one that actually showed during his brief stint (10 games) that he could help the team.

    What will be different about Beaulieu? If they play him 7 to 10 minutes in noncritical moments of the game , he how does that change anything?

    If theyy give him a regular shift , then the question is why did they not offer the same consideration to Tinordi?

    The only thing I can say is congrats to Bouillion who has been the one constant on the third pairing. A third pairing that has performed more than adequately regardless who his partner has been.

    In summary, I personally don;lt care who is dressed as the 6th defenseman., they need to be given a full opportunity to play the role. 12 to 15 minutes, and a regular shift in all three periods regardless of the score in the game. They either do the job or we try the next candidate,It`s not like there is a shortage of options.

    To keep shuffling guys in and out of the line up and not even play them enough to be able to assess if they can handle the position is utterly ridiculous.

    I wonder what MT told Tinordi , (and Patteryn) when they were sent down to Hamilton)?

    “Thanks , you did a great job filling in for the injured Diaz. No one could have done any better in the limited ice time you were given, but we were not so happy with your posture when sitting on the bench, especially in the third periods. We want to see how the next guy looks sitting on the bench. Go back to Hamilton and work your butt off, because if the next guy can`t sit at attention and keep smiling for the third periods any better that you did, we may just call you back up and give you another opportunity”.

    Do they cover the “send downs” on 24 CH or whatever that reality show is called?

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Mr. Biter says:

      I think just trying to see what the boys on the Dogs can with the Habs in the future.

      Mr. Biter
      No Guts No Glory

    • HardHabits says:

      One word. Development.

      • Stevie.Ray says:

        I think people tend to forget where most development takes place: PRACTICE.

        Sure Tinordi and Pateryn would have learned a lot from playing a more critical role in the games, but they learned more from the practices than the games. Especially, now at the beginning of their NHL careers. Fortunately for us,they learned the systems and got a taste of the NHL so that if necessary, they can jump into the lineup during the playoffs and feel somewhat more comfortable.

    • bwoar says:

      It’s not ridiculous at all. There’s an injury at a non-key position where the team has depth on prospects. Not only do the kids get a taste of The Show, but the team’s brass get a look at their progress to date, during real games. We finally have the luxury of doing this, so you probably aren’t used to seeing it, but this is what good teams do.

      Moreover, the kids get NHL salary each day they are up. This is not nothing, it’s a nice reward. The cherry on the sundae, if you will.

      The idea is that none of Pateryn, Dumont, Tinordi or Beaulieu are supposed to graduate this year (though in Dumont’s case, it may still happen.) We’ve already got 2 rookies on the club and that’s plenty, thank you, for one year. No reason to rush any of these young defenders.

      “thoroughbred”

    • wjc says:

      Steveren0, try to see the big picture. You are evaluating your talent, what do they need, what do they need to work on.

      They know they are just up for a look see. They need to know what they need for next year. This is not for this year.

      They look very promising Tinordi and Pateryn and are told up front, they performed well, now go back and work on certain area’s.

      This team is not going to win the ‘Stanley cup’ they are still have a ways to go. These players are being looked at for future needs, and are not being used for trade bait.

      Remember the big picture……THE BIG PICTURE.

      wjc

      • SteverenO says:

        The Big Picture? So we`re not thinking of winning the cup,but we can’t risk playing the young prospects in key situations because they might make a mistake and the mistake might cost us a point or two in the standings?

        At the same time its okay to risk injuring Markov by overplaying him, or risk loosing the same points in the standings because he is too tired to make a play?

        Also its too risky to lay a forward like Eller or Galchenyuk on the point for the 2nd wave of the PP, because we “might” just give up a short handed goal ? ( don`t consider that both Eller and Gallchenyuk are VERY responsible two-way players at even strength) .

        Is it too risky to give Blunden a shift or two in the third line, in place of Armstrong, or god forbid, ask him to stand in front of the net on the PP for the second wave? I love Gallagher, but I can’t believe that the “big picture” is that his role is to be the guy to park himself in front of the net and screen the goalie on the PP

        What “areas are they told to work on” when they are not even given the opportunity to make a mistake?

        So what exactly is the BIG PICTURE, and who is not seeing it?

        regards,

        Steve O.

        • bwoar says:

          Here’s a Big Picture for ya: just ’cause you don’t understand what’s goin’ on don’t mean it don’t make no sense. And just ’cause you don’t like it don’t mean it ain’t no good….

          For Pete’s sake if you think Gallagher is beng misused I’ll just advise you to WATCH the games and you may start to figure it out in a few years. I’m sure the Habs will come knocking and your Jack Adams trophy is in the bag. The Big Picture includes a coach who seems to be getting everything right this year and has he team playing great hockey. You’re free to ignore that, just don’t be surprised if people disagree with you. Strongly.

          “thoroughbred”

          • SteverenO says:

            Isn`t that the point of this type of site? To express and discuss different view points?

            I like when people disagree and express different points of view. Stevie Ray brought up a good point regarding the opportunity to practice with the NHL team. Your insulting me, on the other hand Bwoar, add nothing to the conversation. If I don’t understand what`s going on, or I don’t like what I see, I express my view point. You may believe that the coaching staff have some mystical abilities that us mere mortals don’t have. Personally , I have been around long enough and seen enough to know better.

            Continuing to play Markov this many minutes is NOT a smart thing to do. There is no reason to believe that we would have won, or lost, any different number of games had the 6th defenseman played a regular shift.

            There IS evidence to show that Gallagher is not productive on the PP this year. We can`t know if sonmeone else would do better, becasue noone else (Eller or Gallchenyuk, eg,) have been given the opportunity. we do know that they would not do any worse base on the fact that even with their minimal time o the PP unit the team has scored as many , or more PP goals than with Gallagher on the unit playing lots more minutes.

            There re many things that the coaching staff has done right. They deserve a lot of credit for the success the team has had so far. does that mean that everything they do is right? or that we are not allowed to criticize decisions that do not make sense?

            If the team wins 3 games in a row but the PP goes 1 for 20 during those three games, does that mean it does not deserve attention?

            If Markov is a minus 3 and obviously playing with an “empty tank” while a 6th defenceman warms the bench does that mean we should continue with the same strategy because we won the game?

            regards,

            Steve O.

  3. petefleet says:

    I absolutely love that Pleks is not playing the PK every minute anymore. No doubt in my mind that MB picked up Halpern for three reasons:1. faceoffs, 2. PK prowess, and 3. let Pleks play on the offensive side of the puck. I think as long as Halpern is playing as well as he is, Pleks will be tearing up the offensive stat sheet. We haven’t seen the best of him yet with the talent he is currently surrounded with. I like this team!
    Calling up Beaulieu is not a slight against Tinordi either. It is a perfect time to get a reasonable look at a guy who could play on the 2nd PP unit, with Diaz still out. No one has been able to take those minutes yet…Gorges and The Cube are just not good enough in that respect.
    Bring on the NYR, I can’t wait.

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  4. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …wouldn’t that be a dark nightmare if PK ever left Us for the Boston Farts :(

    …and, what a dream, if by some twist of fate Malcolm is saved from the purgatory of being a Fart, to be a Hab

    …one thing for certain though, there will be a day coming soon when Marc Bergevin will regret not signing PK this season for 5 or 6 years at a ‘reasonable’ $5 to $6 million :)

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      HiS, I don’t see it that way at all. Once we have to pay P.K. full value for the player he is becoming, it will be a good deal. Paying 5-6 million for the question mark from last season, who showed great potential but infuriating flaws, would have been a big gamble.

      I know the Subban Supporters think that P.K. playing the way he does now was inevitable. I see it the other way, that everything that has occurred this season, the change in management, in coaching, the leadership, the dressing room no longer in turmoil, the new system, the strict direction from the coaches as to expectations, the manageable icetime, and yes, the hard line taken during negotiations, all of these together have provided P.K. with the focus and discipline he needed to harness his considerable talents and pull in the right direction.

      If P.K. had been an unblemished superstar like Erik Karlsson already, then maybe buying a few UFA years at a discount would have made sense, but he wasn’t. It made sense to be cautious and evaluate him for a couple more seasons and seeing how he’d develop before tying the knot.

      What you see as looming regret for Marc Bergevin, I see as validation of his approach, as a grand slam homerun.

      • HabFan in Edmonton says:

        Excellent post and I totally agree. If MB had signed PK to a big long term deal and he had a poor year we would be screaming about what a stupid move it was. Let PK earn it and then pay him what he is worth. That is the way to go and I am thrilled to see PK develop the way he has this year.

    • slapshot777 says:

      I think MB will offer PK a long term contract next season. He won’t let it go to the offseason. PK will get his longterm deal and the Habs can rest assured that PK will be around for awhile.

      The era of not negotiating with players until end of the season is over. MB and the rest of the management staff know what they have in PK and that they haven’t had that kind of defenseman since Chris Chelios. They will not be chancing on loosing him over something as stupid as this past contract he signed.

      I say MB already had a chat with PK and probably already told him how this was all going to play out. I think MB is a man of his word and when the time is right he will give PK a contract derserving of a defenseman of his status.

      To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high.

  5. Skeptical says:

    Someone asked what would we pay to get Clarkson. I ask what would you pay for a good 3rd liner?

  6. Habhopeful says:

    Hey everyone, question for all.

    if we make the playoffs and perhaps do well in the playoffs (& hopefully take it all)

    If we get stuck between pick 15th & 30th in the first round. Where do we would have to be to be able to draft Ryan Hartman?

    From what I seen from WJC & Juniour All star game (cant remember name of the event) he looked really good, lots of energy, not afraid of anyone, has an edge and a good scoring touch along with the intangibles we like to see in a junior player. His size may be an issue (to most size fanatics here)

    I believe thats a player MB/Timmins would target due to his character and develop into a solid foundation player (ala Mike Richards),Can anyone shed some light on him and confirm my thoughts and advise where he may be ranked overall?

    • BJ says:

      A question for @commandant (he’s the in house expert on young players).

    • Loonie says:

      I look at the top fifty or so prospects in this coming draft and I really don’t see a way that the braintrust screws it up.

      Hartman’s a nice player but there are so many players that project very well. And they’re all over the place.

      In the 1-10 group you’ve got Jones, Mackinnon, Drouin, Barkov, Lindholm, Nichushkin and Monahan.

      In the 10-20 you’ve got Ristolainen, Pulock, Lazar, Zadarov, Rychel and Morrissey.

      In that 20-30(or even 40 group) you’ve got Domi, Horvat, Hartman, Mantha, Compher and Duclair.

      Then there are some guys who will very likely be steals later in the draft like Jordan Subban, Marc Olivier-Roy, Myles Bell, JC Lipon and Quintin Shore.

  7. BJ says:

    Smartdog:
    1) Plekanec (with decent wingers)
    2) About 20
    3) Price
    4) Subban (but love Gallagher as well)
    5) To see what they can do at this level ***
    Footnote on question 5. If Beaulieu can stick they will decide between a D and a forward upgrade for the playoffs.

  8. johnnylarue says:

    I just started reading the Bruce Arthur article and couldn’t help but shake my head at the intro. It begins with, “This country has seven National Hockey League teams and there is always a centre to them, a face of some kind, a heart.”

    He then immediately contradicts himself, as he lists the various Canadian teams, noting that the Habs, Leafs, Jets, and Oilers essentially don’t currently possess such a “centre”.

    Lazy, lazy writing.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Good point. I kind of skimmed that part, and tripped over it a little bit, but figured it was just exposition as intro and kept going to the meat of the issue, and that didn’t disappoint.

      I have to say I love your avatar, Johnny LaRue was a favourite SCTV character of mine. Also, you joined our happy family seamlessly, like a fish to water, I almost got suspicious that you were a former or current poster under a new identity. Keep up the good work.

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  9. Old Bald Bird says:

    Arpon Basu ‏@ArponBasu
    Interesting Therrien quote on Beaulieu: “For some players, it’s tougher to play in the AHL than the NHL.”

    • HabinBurlington says:

      This is exactly what I was getting at earlier. Oh my goodness, I may have to go All In with my support for MT.

    • Loonie says:

      So true. I know a lot of guys who refuse to play men’s league hockey because the guys in the league don’t know how to play. They’ll try to lead them with passes, initiate give and go plays, open up ice for them on the rush and it all goes for not because their teammates don’t know how to respond.

      Not saying that’s the case with Beaulieu and most every professional player has the understanding of what to do in those situations but there are cases when skilled players need skill around them to be successful.

      Just like there are players who thrive without skilled players with them.

      John McFarland is a great example. Terrific player with bad Sudbury teams and not so good with better teams.

      • johnnylarue says:

        +1. Very well said.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        It does make some sense for sure. Some people have the ability to step it up when required, and there are examples of really good AHL players who can’t make it in the NHL. Pateryn got the first call up, but I thought Tinordi played better. Perhaps Beaulieu will be even better. It will be interesting to see.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Agree. I’m not a good hockey player, but every year we used to have the Blackcomb Snowboard Instructors playing the Whistler Snowboard Instructors in a fun game for all. We had Japanese and British and Australian kids who had never skated in the game, and they’d take it seriously and would attend a lot of free skate sessions before the game to learn how. Anyway, we had about five guys who’d played organized hockey on the Blackcomb side, and Whistler had one or two. While the game was all about the laughs, we’d try to coach/lead the newbies, explain that their shifts should be at most a minute, not five, that they’d end up playing the same amount of time but would enjoy it more, tell them that passing the puck is more efficient, show them how to follow through on their passes/shots instead of golf-whacking at it… We’d get stressed out and just manage to not yell at anyone by the end of the game.

        Rugby was another example of this for me. We had a lot of great characters at Vanier Rugby, but we’d get our clock cleaned by John Abbott and Lennoxville all the time. I was learning the game, and never understood how the game should be played. When I got to Concordia, I was surrounded by good players, and all of a sudden the sport made sense. When the fullback would kick the ball, it got results, and I understood why he did it, instead of before when it seemed baffling and arbitrary. When I cleaned the ball out of a set piece and looked back, there was the scrum half ready for the ball, like we practiced, but like never used to happen in games.

        Nowadays, I experience this playing recreational beach volleyball. “Bump, set, spike!” I keep repeating/yelling to my team, who look at me with befuddlement and keep palming/scooping the ball back over the net on the first touch, like it’s frigging badminton or something.

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        • Loonie says:

          The concepts you just spoke of were so simple that I’m not sure if you actually do agree or not.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            I kind of went off on a tangent down memory lane, but yeah, I understand that some players will play better when surrounded with higher caliber players. My rugby improved exponentially once I was playing with guys who were fit and had good ball skills and knew when to run with the ball or kick strategically. Nathan Beaulieu may play better when his teammates anticipate his passes and can do something with them.

  10. fastfreddy says:

    @Smartdog,
    1) Eller
    2)20 min.
    3)no
    4)Subban
    5)taste nhl

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  11. thebonscott says:

    chris stewart and anthony stewart get her done, whatever it takes

    Buck the Fruins.

  12. Hobie Hansen says:

    Imagine Subban was a split second faster the other night and caught Lucic with that massive hit attempt. Lucic just got out of the way, damn!

  13. habstrinifan says:

    So am I a closet redneck? I LUV Duck Dynasty!

    It’s like Married with Children set in the WOODS.. or Seinfeld in camouflage… people living outrageously stupid lives daily… which is what I wanna do when I grow up.

  14. SmartDog says:

    5 (MORE) QUESTIONS.
    EASY ONES!
    1. Who is our first line center today?
    2. About how many minutes should Markov play in a regular game?
    3. If the Habs play Boston in the first round… should Therrien start Budaj instead of Price?
    4. You win a contest for a nice Habs sweater. You can have either the Subban version or the Gallagher version. Which do you take?
    5. Habs now call up Beaulieu (sp?). Are they evaluating/showcasing talent for a trade? Or just seasoning our young guys to give them a taste of the NHL? (Don’t say both – which is more the case.)

    SD
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  15. HabinBurlington says:

    @Loonie, we may disagree at times, but you generate a great deal of dialogue here. Thanks bud.

  16. HabinBurlington says:

    Is it known if Iginla asked the Flames to trade him? Or did the Flames ask Iginla if they could trade him.

    I am starting to think that he indeed did ask for the trade, and did basically dictate where he was going.

    • ont fan says:

      Iginla said in an interview, that Feaster approached him about a month ago, when it didn’t look like they were going to make the playoffs. It was just a general conversation asking him if a trade came up was he interested. It gave him a chance to think about it.

  17. HabinBurlington says:

    What is the max. contract people here would give to David Clarkson if indeed he is still a UFA this summer?

    28 Years old, coming off a 3 year contract paying 8 million over the term.

    4Mill x 4 years?

    • Loonie says:

      I’d go to a $4.75 million aav on Clarkson.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I would as well, I suspect term is going to be the key. If New Jersey is able to keep him, they may have to offer him 6 years.

        • Boomer says:

          how old is he?

          • 24 Cups says:

            He’s 29 this Sunday. Averaged 12.5 goals his first four years and then has hit 30 the past two years (prorated).

            Four years at 5M a season. Was born in Toronto so that might be an option for him. Can’t see how Lou can let him go.

          • Boomer says:

            I know his stats and all, I like him btw, I just didn’t know his age. Thanks!

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Canadian free agents never want to play in Canada. Especially not in Montreal.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      That would be too reasonable. For a scorer who can fight or a fighter who can score, the sky’s the limit.

    • sevenman says:

      Probably depends on where you intend on playing him. If you’re going to make him a 1st or 2nd line player then you give him decent money like $4 mil per year. If he’s gonna be a 3rd line guy with less minutes then $4 mil is probably high. Let’s say Borque’s injury turns out to be career-ending ( obviously hope not ) the a guy like Clarkson imo feels that role perfectly. Having said all that I don’t think you’ll see him leave DeBoer.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        If Erik Cole got $4.5M/yr for four seasons two years ago, I can’t imagine Mr. Clarkson going for anything else. Even with the rolled back cap figure next season, a few teams will match or beat that figure.

  18. Ian Cobb says:

    How can Therrien take min. away from Markov, so that he can get his breath for the 3rd period. PK will play all night long, but when he is fresher, he is better as well.
    After these two players, we do not have a 3rd or 4th D in the system.

    Gorges is not there this year and Bouillon is a hell of a trier, but the truth of the matter is we only have Parnell & Marky.
    So it looks like come play off time, Kaberle will have to pitch in min’s on the power play or take a regular shift. Our kids are just not ready yet!
    OR! can Bergevin come up with a number 3 D somewhere, without it costing the farm??

  19. Cal says:

    Great to see all our prospect Dmen getting the call up for a look see. Will this spell the end of Gorges and Boullion on the 2nd wave of the PP? Probably not, at first.

  20. Phil C says:

    If the Moen and DD signings are the worst mistake MB has done so far, then he is doing pretty good. But I agree it’s too early to judge the GM, that usually takes many years (5+). This is still mostly a Gainey/Gauthier line up.

    The coach’s performance can be judged on a shorter timeframe. I think Therrien has been great. His system shows a very high hockey IQ, his decisions and personnel handling have shown his experience, he has been willing to give youth a chance while not over-exposing them. The Habs are playing the best hockey I’ve seen since 1993, how can you not give him some credit?

    His weakness in the past has been to lose his cool, but he seems to have that under wrap for now, although I would like to see how he responds to a losing streak.

    • Ian Cobb says:

      Phil. It is mainly a Bergevin lineup behind the bench that has made all the difference my friend.

      • Phil C says:

        Good point, the GM deserves a lot of credit for the improvements behind the bench and in the front office.

        The players still have to play the games though. I think both Bergevin and Therrien have been blessed with a pretty strong group of core players.

  21. Well it’s a year removed from the Gauthier era. I think the Habs have done OK, without him.

    Today also marks the day Guy! joined the 50-goal club.

    http://www.letiretlebut.com/2013/03/today-in-habs-history-march-29th-edition.html

    Oh and it’s Maxim Lapierre’s Birthday.

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      I want to say who that is in your avatar but I don;t want to embarrass myself, who is it? (I was gonna guess Dryden in the earliest new style mask out there 1979?)

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      • Yeah it was Dryden. It’s from some practice footage. Can’t find hime using it in a game.

        Story is his brother Dave was designing them and passed one along for littel brother to try.

        Earliest rendition of that style being is as early as 1972-73 . A guy in Penetanguishene designed one so he could wear his glasses.

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  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Bruce Arthur with a great line about the Flames:

    “They’re really having quite a year when it comes to attempted transactions.”

    http://www.montrealgazette.com/hockey/columnists/inglorious/8167616/story.html#ixzz2OwsxfeaD

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  23. The Teacher says:

    I’ve never put a name on the back of my jersey because I think it’s all about what’s on the front. I am reconsidering, however, and seriously contemplating putting Subban on there. To me he is a special one and one I hope we keep around for a nice long time.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I haven’t had a name on the back of my jersey in a decade either. For me to put a name on the back the player has to have the right amount of skill and toughness. Nobody has met that criteria in the last decade fro me.

      Tinordi is being considered and Prust has so much heart that his lack of skill might be overlooked. :-).

      If Souray resigned I’d have got his name on there.

      Oh and ya, Subban would be a solid choice too. I do have a Subban t-shirt.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I think that is why I now seem to buy only the legends jerseys. Beliveau, Richard, Lafleur and most recently a Winnipeg Jets jersey with Hawerchuk on the back.

        Of course I can be seen wearing a white jersey with #31 on it …

        • sprague cleghorn says:

          Funny thing about that is, Richard and Beliveau never played with names on their uni’s. But I have a Rocket jersey with his name on it too. Plus his autograph. Treasured.

  24. frontenac1 says:

    Are there any good Easter cocktails?

  25. HardHabits says:

    Therrien certainly has steel cajones swapping Budaj for Price. Imagine had the Habs not won that game. The knives would have been out and it would have been roast Carey covered in Halak sauce for the last 36 or so hours.

  26. Loonie says:

    I’d love to hear a well reasoned argument that the Travis Moen signing was a good move.

    Anyone?

    • Chrisadiens says:

      He smells nice?

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Tom where do we find this “Perfect” GM who can never have a single decision scrutinized. We should get his resume down to Geoff Molson ASAP!

      • The Cat says:

        The GMs in Pittsburgh and Boston seem to do it as good as any of them.

        [Disclaimer]: I’m a hockey fan. I care about the habs, but probably not as much as you.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Agree they are excellent, but the trade for Kaberle has been widely scrutinized. My point is that even above average GM’s make moves that perhaps they wish they could have a mulligan on.

          Ken Holland in Detroit is considered excellent, but reading some Detroit sites, he is getting slagged this year by some.

        • Habfan10912 says:

          Yes and hopefully in a few years the same could be said for our organization.

      • Chrisadiens says:

        Nice use of quotations Burly! :)

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Loonie says:

        Gerald I’m not the one saying he’s been perfect. I don’t expect perfection. My opinion is in response to those who believe his duties have been performed without any errors.

        Maybe, just maybe I’m not the one with ridiculous expectations of the GM. Maybe I’m happy with the job he’s done but acknowledge and am okay with the fact that he has and will continue to make some mistakes.

        This isn’t a response to “Bergevin’s done a good job”. It’s response to those who believe that every decision the GM has made and will make in the future are the right decisions.

        He has had small screw ups and will have plenty more. Not everything the man does with this team will be the right thing. That’s okay, but pretending everything he’s done and will continue to do is great is foolish.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I love the job MB has done. As a rookie GM he has made more good moves than bad moves. Each year he will learn more and hopefully continue to improve. And 5 years from now if he is still GM he will hopefully have a Cup ring, and guess what, he will still make the odd move which he may regret.

          • Loonie says:

            That’s correct. So he won’t be perfect. The irony in all of this is that I believe Therrien is due more credit than Bergevin.

            And I just hate Therrien.

            ;)

    • Mike D says:

      Apparently his wife (Amy?) is one hell of a cook!

      Just curious Tom……if Moen played like he did last year before getting hurt, would you like the signing?

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      • Loonie says:

        Nope. Didn’t like it then and don’t like it now. When what a guy brings isn’t scoring, it isn’t okay for him to take nights off in my opinion.

        • Mike D says:

          Fair enough.

          I agree Mo hasn’t been great this season and I was a bit skeptical about him getting 4 years considering the type of player he is, BUT 1.8mil doesn’t get you as much as it used to IMO once a player is past his RFA years. Given the make-up of the roster at the time, I’m not sure what other choice the team had.

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    • Danno says:

      His appearance on Corner Gas was spectacular

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      In hindsight it wasn’t great. But at the time, with the available information, it was a good move to sign him for only $1.8M.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      at the time Moen had a decent season up to his injury and was our most physical forward. He is good defensively and can stick up for team mates when needed. He is also a gamer when it comes to the playoffs.

      For what he is being paid he is a decent 4th liner. Just having a bad season

      “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Be prepared to wait a while…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      He’s having a bad year, no question!

      I’ll wait to pass judgment on his season until after the playoffs where he seems to elevate his game.

      Also noticed that when the Habs were down 4-2 the other night that Moen was bumped up to play with Gallagher and Desharnais. So Therrien sees something in him.

    • JP23 says:

      I’d like to wait until the playoffs before I can properly comment on the Moen signing. Moen is known as a “playoff guy”. If he brings his game to the next level in the playoffs, when it really counts, then I’ll be satisfied, if not then… Yes, Moen is no Prust, but guys like Prust are rare. I would like to see a bit more from Moen during the season, but if he doesn’t harm the team and does the little things right during the season and then ups his game during the playoffs, I’ll be happy. We just need to have patience before we can properly assess Moen’s influence on the team. And I do believe, being second in the East, we can be patient.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Geez, I applauded the move at the time, a trusted veteran who can play physical and kill penalties, play the fourth line and move up in a pinch. Unfortunately, he’s underperforming a touch this year, and with Ryan White being off his game, Brandon Prust hurt, and Colby Armstrong not bringing a physical edge, this lacuna is magnified.

      We need to remember the context last summer before July 1. We had a lot of holes on the forward lines, lots of injuries. Travis seemed like a ‘valeur sure’, a sure thing, you plug him on your roster at a manageable cap hit and you move on and worry about other problems. The fourth line winger problem is now half-solved.

      I posited a couple weeks ago that he may still be feeling the effects of the concussion that ended his last season. Either physically or psychologically, he’s not completely able to perform. It would be hard to blame him for that.

      So yeah, a disappointing start to the new contract, but it’s still a reasonable amount of money, and he’ll always have trade value, so if he needs a change of scenery eventually it’s doable.

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    • Cal says:

      Depth. Character. He is a fixture and can play 3rd and 4th line minutes. Will drop the gloves and carrousel opponents until they are dizzy. When he enters a room early in the day people say, “Good Moening, Travis.”

    • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

      I’ll bite. Versatile player who can move from 4th line to spot 2nd line duty, great penalty killer, proven playoff performer and occaisional pugilist.

      Long term signing with Prust for a reliable top notch 4th line to let the Habs roll 4 lines while the young players can be shielded on easier 3rd line matchups.

      Not sure what people expect and why he is getting such crap around here.

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  27. HardHabits says:

    PK Subban. Habs franchise player?

    Gallagher the spark plug.

    This one is cool. Habs 6 – Bruins 5. Sound and Images. The full no commentary experience, notwithstanding the shoot-out goal.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I havent open the links yet but I bet this is from RDS. I think I saw the clips.. bt still gonna watch. Funny I was just about to post that L’Antichambre must be salivating to start talking re Beaulieu. Excitement man!

  28. Timo says:

    Can we stop with that blanket statement “Therrien and MB know what they’re doing” (so in them we shall trust). As far as I am concerned Habs haven’t won anything. Let’s not put them on the pedestal prematurely.

    • Loonie says:

      I chuckle when analysts and fans say that everything Bergevin touches turns to gold.

      Travis Moen
      David Desharnais

      Whoops.

      • The Jackal says:

        No one has said that, they’re just praising his good overall job so far. Besides, it’s too early either way to pass judgement on those moves. Perhaps people bashing those moves, which are too recent to have an accurate assessment of, is more chuckle-worthy.

        ;)

        And Timo, MT and MB know what they are doing… how is that a blanket statement? I would certainly hope they are competent enough to do their jobs. So far, it’s pretty obvious that they “know what they are doing.”

        • HabinBurlington says:

          We should have hired a copier repair man for GM. Then we could truly say that our GM has no idea what he is doing. Would have made life much simpler for some here.

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            Our last GM had the personality of a copier repair man.

            “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

          • Loonie says:

            The expected pot shot. Gerald, it’s perfectly fine in my opinion to say that Bergevin has done a good job but hasn’t been perfect.

            It seems that isn’t okay with you though.

          • Timo says:

            It would but now you are assuming that a copier repair man wouldn’t be able to do it. First, that’s a little presumptuous and insulting to the copier repair men. Second, being a GM of a hockey team is not a rocket science. All you need is an Excel spreadsheet (lets face it, these guys don’t add/subtract in their heads), a big travel budget and a phone. Oh, and a copier.

            It’s not hard. Not at all.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            @Timo, some of my best friends are Copier Repair men. ;-)

        • Loonie says:

          It has been said, on numerous occasions.

          Flip to TSN for five minutes of Habs coverage and it’s all you see. CBC, same.

          • The Jackal says:

            I think you’re turning those comments into something they are not. Unless they verbatim said turns excrement into gold!
            Either way, it’s hard to argument so far, MB has not been good. The verdict is still out though, but it’s way easier to make the case for him having the gold touch than the Leafs touch.

          • Loonie says:

            Nobody’s arguing he hasn’t been good. And the midas touch comment was a verbatim quote.

            He’s done very well but has made mistakes too.

            I’m pleased but am not about put him among the top GM’s in the league.

      • HardHabits says:

        You chuckled because it was intended, as it was Boone who said and it was a St. Patty’s Day referenced joke. It’s a colloquialism like saying he’s pulling a rabbit out of his hat or has a horseshoe up his ass.

        Please chuckle. It’s better than grumbling. :-)

        • Loonie says:

          I’m chuckling buddy. People are setting themselves up for disappointment though. The man in charge isn’t perfect and will never be. He’s going to make some mistakes and he’s going to fail to act at some point and it will hurt the team.

          I’m fine with the job Gainey did, so in the grand scheme of things I’m not too hard to please.

      • JP23 says:

        I am certain you we’re cheering those players on last year. When the DD line was the only one scoring and Moen fought more often since we did not have Prust. These hockey players are not just tokens that can be passed around for the entertainment of the fans. They have lives; they are people. They are allowed to make mistakes and not be perfect. Fans need to stop turning on their players so quickly. The second somebody stops playing well the mantra becomes: “trade this, trade that”. Why should a player give his all to the fans when some of the fans will turn on the players for the slightest error. This comment is not directed at you, it is a general statement. Just think that is something we should all keep in mind.

        • Loonie says:

          You have some misconceptions about me. I don’t agree with the Moen and Desharnais signings for different reasons. In Moen’s case it’s that fourth liners of his quality can be had for far less money and term. In Desharnais’ it’s that he’s replaceable and that was evident when the contract was signed.

          That doesn’t mean that I don’t think either or both are good players or people.

          But my affection for the team runs much deeper than my affection for them individually, and that applies to every player.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You truly would have been happier had this team fight Florida for last in the conference wouldn’t you?

      Happy Easter Timo!

      • Timo says:

        Another presumptuous statement. No, I would NOT. But the fact that Habs are doing better, doesn’t mean there aren’t things to criticize.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          There is always room for improvement, and nothing wrong with criticism. But given how far we have come in one season, pretty hard to have done a much better job this season.

    • Cal says:

      Compared to last year’s gong show, which I am sure you had a hardon for all season, MB and MT are competent.

  29. Commandant;

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    • commandant says:

      I do the scouting reports for my website, so I’m an amateur at this game. But I do like to do it.

      I don’t have seasons to the bulldogs but see them a lot. I also watch a ton of junior and college hockey. Pretty much if I’m not at work I have hockey on the TV. Either a taped game, or streaming or something.

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  30. Boomer says:

    Wonder if Florida would be willing to part with Parros?
    4th line of Moen Halpern and Parros would be pretty decent.

    • Timo says:

      I don’t know about other games, but when Habs played Panthers did Parros even dress? And if he did, can anyone recall a single play he made?

      Even last game with the Bruins – we did not need Parros. We do need tougher players but not those that play 2-3 min per game and you’d know they played only when they fight another goon.

      Lucic will no fight Parros, neither will Horton or McQuaid. We need Chris Neil type of player that can score, be mean and nasty and smack the crap out of someone when needed. I know they are a far few and in between but IMHO that’s who we need. A couple of them.

      … and we need to get rid off DD.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        David Clarkson would be IDEAL.

        • commandant says:

          I’d break the bank for him in the summer.

          BREAK THE BANK.

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          • Kooch7800 says:

            There is no way Lou lets him go I don’t think. Those type of players with his toughness and skill are hard assets to find

            “Keep your stick on the Ice”

          • habstrinifan says:

            WOW Commandant. Havent seen you endorse a player like this before. I am calling MB MAN!

          • Boomer says:

            I would too Comm. We’d be hard pressed to find someone who wouldn’t. But NJ is not going to want tot let him go :(
            I guess it all depends if he wants to Parise it out of there this summer

        • habstrinifan says:

          Or his trusty lieutenant..Hab-in-Burlington. Nice!!!!!!!!!!

        • sevenman says:

          I don’t think you’ll see Clarkson leave Jersey….DeBoer and he are pretty tight. DeBoer gave him a huge opportunity in Kitchener and it’s no coincidence that Clarkson has his biggest year when DeBoer arrives in New Jersey. But yeah, for sure he would look great with the Habs. Clarkson, another undrafted player who goes on to have a decent NHL carrer, you gotta like those stories.

          Speaking of DeBoer, I read that Jacques Martin badly wanted him as his assistant coach with Montreal after he got canned in Florida because of their time there together but Lou, who’s no dummy, quickly snapped him up and DeBoer obviously paid returns.

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      • The Jackal says:

        Yeaaaah let’s get rid of DD…. he hasn’t done anything for the team since he got here.

      • habstrinifan says:

        Timo I post a lot! But you just said in perfect manner what I have been trying to say in one post or another. Perfect! Now all we need is for Commandant to get to work and come up with names.

        Edit: I am not siding with you o the DD line. Especially here in HIO. I need all my limbs and body parts.

      • Boomer says:

        I would of LOVED if the habs traded for Neil a few years back when the Sens were sellers!
        But, (No disrespect to Armdog) Parros or Neil would be a step up.

  31. hockeymaniac31 says:

    I like what they are doing with their young D-men in Hamilton. Get them in the NHL and see what they need to work on. With Pateryn it is basically experience and vision. With Tinordi he just needs to put on 30 pounds and bulk up. And time will tell with Beaulieu. But one of these 3 will make the team next year so someone has to be the odd man out. And with Frankie the Bull’s one year deal signing I see either Emelin or Diaz moved in the offseason and I think it will be Diaz because they can’t afford to lose a guy like Emelin who can dish a hit like he does.

  32. Danno says:

    (For those who missed it on previous thread)

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  33. Boomer says:

    good to see prust is back.

  34. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Surprised Mike “Elevator” Blunden still with the team. Thought Dumont played well…guess MT wants size.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  35. habsfan0 says:

    While PK made an immediate impact upon his call up from the Bulldogs,he is a unique case. I think it would be wise if we all tempered our expectations as to what to expect from Beaulieu during his 1st tour of duty in the NHL.

  36. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    And so ends Gorges stint on the PP. curious to see the kid

    • habstrinifan says:

      Loe this post. Not a post aginst Gorges.. just the headiness of seeing Beaulieu skate on the PP.

      I wasnt really impressed with him in Memorial Cp but I kow he is smooth like butter.

  37. habstrinifan says:

    Repost cause you guys didnt invite me to the new thread! Heads will roll!

    Immediately after Boston MT said that defensive side will have to be addressed. He could have simply been talking ‘coaching/practice’ or maybe they all went into ecunemical council mode and made some player decisions.

    “Can’t see Tinordi going down with Dumont and Weber and Beaulieu being ‘activated’ as purely non meaningful moves. Maybe Tinordi and Dmont going down. But both Weber and Beaulieu beig ‘activated’?”

  38. Loonie says:

    As I said below I think a trade will still happen. But selling Beaulieu short would be a mistake. Of all three of the rookie defense call-ups he has the best chance to stick.

    Skills pay the bills, he’s got the skills. Subban wasn’t ready when he got his call and made an impact in the playoffs that made him impossible to send down.

    Beaulieu could well elevate his game and do the same. He’s got it all. And even though he absolutely needs to refine his game and gain experience, he could do it on the job however unlikely that is.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      There are also certain players who really thrive based on their surroundings. Look at Gallagher, while he was playing well in Hamilton his numbers weren’t standout. Put him with some good players and all of a sudden the strengths in his game get exposed and he fits right in.

      I am not expecting this from Beaulieu but rather hoping this is the case. But like 24cups and Ian said below, dmen always take longer to develop.

      Your comment on skills pay the bills is sooo very true Tom.

      • Danno says:

        What a great catch considering he was picked up by the Habs in the fifth round and 147th overall

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      • habstrinifan says:

        I beg to dsagree re Gallagher. He went from bottom tier prospect to top line in Hamilton surpassing everyone ..veteran and predigree picks. I agree re numbers didnt say outstandingly ready for NHL but progress did.

        Edit: Excited about Beaulieu though. Would be awesome if he comes in and sticks with emphasis on the PP. Would definitely allow for some focused thoughts re just a middlin BIG block- th- net body to add to D.
        Man will be something eh. P.K/Beaulieu/Gallagher/Galchenyuk/Eller.. and ok ok I’l include him Price. (ducking for cover).

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I think I may not have explained my point well habstrinifan, my point was that I don’t think many expected Gallagher to make this squad this season, especially if year had started on schedule. When he did play in the AHL he was by far and away the best forward on the squad, but it didn’t translate to big points. Once he joined the Habs he immediately has had an impact, and perhaps a bigger one than any of us or perhaps just me, could have imagined.

      • Loonie says:

        Another thing with Beaulieu is that he’s been training with pros during the off-season since the age of 15. Father coached Galchenyuk and the SeaDogs.

        I wouldn’t write him off as a short term call-up yet but I’m also not going to be predicting a full time job either.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      It is all about what MT thinks. I just can’t see MT going with a rookie d-man into the playoffs…

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Beaulieu didn’t have the kind of year Subban did his first in the AHL but I catch your drift. I think Tinordi makes the team first however, just fills a direct need.

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      • Kooch7800 says:

        Beaulieu will be a good NHL D man. I have no doubt. He isn’t PK but will still be good. PK was also on a much better bulldogs team that Beaulieu. This version of the dogs the entire team is really young including the youngest D core.

        I think the habs are just seeing what they have in the system and giving the kids a taste of the NHL game so they can see how or where they need to work on.

        I full expect for Beaulieu to be in the habs line up by 2015 latest.

        I also agree with you that Tinordi will be in the habs line up first as he has something we don’t currently. He needs to get bigger though and play meaner than he is currently

        “Keep your stick on the Ice”

    • jmsheehy19 says:

      I can’t imagine him sticking this year. Long term he’ll be a stud, but from the few games I’ve seen he needs to shore up his defensive game.

  39. Danno says:

    Bravo to Tiny Tin and Gabby Dumont for their good work with the big club. Hope they do well in their development and get another call up.

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    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree, probably perfect medicine for them to get a taste of what is needed at the next level. Should be great motivation for these guys in the offseason during training. Would love to see Tinordi get 5 – 10 lbs on this offseason. Eventually he will add more, but so hard to put much more on than that in a few months.

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Dumont earned a 4L role next year with this call-up, could be huge for us with injuries come playoff time.

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  40. HabinBurlington says:

    Huge difference in our lineup getting Prust back. This should do wonders for Galchenyuk and Eller. Also makes our 4th line much more effective. Armstrong gets slagged a great deal here, but he is a smart savvy veteran who knows what the role of the 4th line is. Having him, Halpern on the 4th makes it a very solid grouping which can be used for key faceoffs in our zone.

    Welcome back Mr Prust. (assuming he plays tomorrow)

  41. Dr.Rex says:

    How was Beaulieu doing in Hamilton overall? I remember hearing he had a real tough start but no talk recently.

  42. Sportfan says:

    Best news Prust coming back very soon! Hope Bourque will be back for the playoffs!

    Also Am I wrong to say that Tinordi played fine, just really didn’t get much time? I agree that sending him down for full work load is better, but I thought he was good no?

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  43. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting that it seems St. Denis appears to have regressed this year. I thought he looked okay out there last year for the Habs, but he is another undersized dman. I watched a few games in Hamilton this year and really focused on the dmen for most of the games. He didn’t look at all special on that roster, granted few did. But Beaulieu and Tinordi were far more recognizable for complete differing reasons.

  44. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Excited Beaulieu called up. This guy can outright fly out there. Maybe an even better skater than PK and a true PP QB. Even fights once in a while. Can’t wait to see him in action…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  45. Dr.Rex says:

    WIth regards to trade partners one team that is quickly becoming a possible seller is the FLYERS.

    WE talk about a tough nosed d man, how bout Coburn?

    WE talk about rugged wingers, how bout Simmonds and Hartnell?

    These three are guys most of us don’t like now but all would be nice fits for a playoff run.

  46. Steeltown Hab says:

    I love that we’re giving these kids a taste of NHL action once they’ve seasoned a bit with the dogs, going to be huge for their confidence / preparing for a full time role next year.

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  47. Les Canayens says:

    Just looked up Angelo Esposito and he’s now playing in Italy. Glad we did not drafted him despite pressure from journalists who wanted a local boy (who may be driven out of town by them anyway).

  48. Ian Cobb says:

    It takes about 3 years of playing in the AHL to get a defense man ready to play as a rookie in the NHL.

    Without that learning curve many falter and die out.

    Forwards generally take a little less time to become NHL pros. D and goal tenders take a lot longer.

    Tinordi, Patern and Beaulieu are very green, but will get there in time.

    • 24 Cups says:

      For sure, Ian. There hasn’t really been any evidence that Beaulieu is ready to play in the NHL but it won’t hurt to have him up here for the two games (at home) before the trade deadline. He can play a minimum number of minutes and get some valuable PP time.

      The real issue with bringing up all these kids who can’t take a regular turn is that it puts a lot of pressure (and minutes) on Markov.

  49. Bill says:

    HFS72: I don’t understand Fleury bashing either. But I don’t think the people who appreciate Price are the ones knocking MAF. It’s probably the same people who just blame the goalie as their first response and don’t understand it’s a team game.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The Pens have lost in the first round two years in a row and he was poor in both those series. They should have made the final last year easily.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Fleury to me is an above average goalie who has glimpses of greatness to go with stretches of the opposite. Like all goalies when his confidence is brimming he is more than good enough, but he has had lapses in his career where his confidence has dissappeared for stretches. Vokoun is probably the perfect backup for Pittsburgh.

      I think MAF gets a great deal of criticism because it is really the only position where Pittsburgh doesn’t have a great player. Plus we love to find reasons to hope they can’t win the Cup this year.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      One night Fleury is awesome and the next he can be brutal. I’m not saying his overall body of work is less impressive than his competitors but sometimes you can catch him during a week or a series where’s he letting in everything. His consistency is the problem, more so than other starting goalies.

    • Loonie says:

      Speaking for myself only. Fleury in my opinion is a guessing goalie much like Tim Thomas. He’s either lights out or god awful.

      I maintain that as long as the Penguins have him they’re incredibly vulnerable because you never know which guy you’re going to get.

      I’m sure it keeps their skaters on their toes though.

    • commandant says:

      Fleury has looked horrid on occasion. Look at some of the goals in the Philly series last year.

      I think he can also look great at times.

      His biggest issue is consistency, and that is why I say that IF the Pens lose, IF, he will likely be the reason. This isn’t to say that the Pens aren’t cup favorites, just that him going on a cold streak is their biggest achilles heel.

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  50. commandant says:

    Beaulieu will definitely help the 2nd PP unit. But his effectiveness at ES at this stage is certainly a big question mark. His defensive game is just not ready yet.

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    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Just because he has been called up does not mean a trade is not in the works. It is clear that in big games, MT has no faith in rookie D-men. Tinordi was not bad and he played only 6.5 minutes in Boston. I’ll be shocked if MB does not make a trade.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • commandant says:

        I agree that a trade is still likely before Wednesday. I think this is a short term thing, like Tinordi and Pateryn before him.

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      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Not sure if “has no faith” is not overstating it. I think Coach Therrien is being careful with the minutes and the situations with Jarred, just as he is with Alex Galchenyuk, and I’m glad that he is.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Ya I was surprised he got the call for that reason! Can’t wait to see him in action though!

  51. frontenac1 says:

    Who’s Weber?

  52. Dr.Rex says:

    Beaulieu called up.

    Should help the 2nd PP unit.

  53. Loonie says:

    Haha. Beaulieu called up.

    • Chrisadiens says:

      This is fun. I hope he makes an instant impact. PK and Beaulieu on the PP makes me drool.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

      • Loonie says:

        Because I’m as stubborn as I am I’m still inclined to think Bergevin will add a defenseman via trade.

        • commandant says:

          I absolutely think so. This is to get him a game maybe two, as we’ve already done with other young D. Guess MB wants them all to see what the NHL level is like and what they need to work on.

          Beaulieu is just not ready to be a full timer yet.

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          • Loonie says:

            I agree. Easier to get Beaulieu more minutes than Tinordi though. He can be played on the powerplay or if a game isn’t close in either direction(like Tinordi).

            Just wish Therrien had adopted the same concept with Tinordi and applied it to the penalty kill.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Which side will he play on? Another left D-man.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  54. Loonie says:

    Sorry folks but they aren’t going to just start playing Weber or Kaberle out of nowhere.

    Somebody’s going to be added on defense. If those guys were seen as part of the plan for the season and playoffs they would have been played instead of Tinordi.

    I’ll acknowledge the possibility that one of those two gets into the lineup in the short term but it’s more likely that we’ll have a new defenseman in short order.

  55. Old Bald Bird says:

    After Pateryn and Tinordi, I would like to see Beaulieu get a game or three. Just because.

  56. commandant says:

    The interesting thing is what happens with the D now. We have 5 sure things to dress tomorrow, but who is number 6?

    Weber was HORRID in his last game that he played. Far worse than any game Kaberle has ever played for us.

    Kaberle has been decent this year, IMO. A lot more reliable than last year, and is much better than Weber. However, can you play him and risk injury and being unable to buy him out? I don’t think you can. He must be bought out.

    So who becomes the number 6? Is there a trade in the works? Another callup? Dan DeKeyser?

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    • Captain aHab says:

      Can you waive a guy if he’s injured? Just wondering if Molson may have told Bergevin that he would be OK with Kaberle being burried in Hammy next year.

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • Loonie says:

      No we’re all crazy for thinking that a new defenseman is coming in Ben. It’s going to be Weber, Kaberle or another call-up.

      (rolls eyes).

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Dan DeKeyser…could you imagine? Anyway, a trade has to be in the works for a right handed D-man to replace Diaz. BTW you were generous using horrid about Weber. I still think the most logical trade is for O’Byrne unless there is a bigger target.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Commandant – is it that big a deal if Kaberle is not bought out?

      If we Play Kaberle, and he gets injured (very unlikely given his history) the worst that happens is we can’t sign a UFA D-man and Tinordi plays the whole season next year.

      If he gets badly injured (say MCL) and misses the whole year next year then we can go over the cap to replace him anyway. Molson loses a few dollars.

    • Vinny Red says:

      I’m hoping for a trade, not a big one, but for a Rostislav Klesla type player. Since this is the year of re-treads, maybe even Robidas . I beleive each are UFA at the of the year and shouldn’t cost much to pick up

      THis would cost a little more, but even calling Edm to see what they would want for Smid would be worthwhile

  57. Captain aHab says:

    I would have dressed 7 d-men and played Weber on the PP only.

    —————-
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  58. HabFanSince72 says:

    Funny how everyone disses MA Fleury.

    Here is an interesting factoid: he is better than Carey Price this year in just about every statistical category: wins, losses, Save %, Goals against.

    And yet MA Fleury sucks and will be the downfall of the stacked Penguins, while any criticism of the Blessed Carey is trolling.

    (And for those of you who are looking for a fight there was no criticism of Carey Price in this message, so please save it for when Timo wakes up.)

    • Price07 says:

      You can’t look at just one season. Price has a better save percentage than Quick and Rinne…is anyone going to say he’s better than them?

    • Ton says:

      i posed this question yesterday…….you are the habs GM…..your going into the last game of the year and you need the two points to make the playoffs………you the GM have a 5 year contract on the table…….you make the playoffs you get the contract you lose your fired………your playing Boston…….. Price or Budaj?

  59. Old Bald Bird says:

    I posted this in the previous thread and thought I would re-post here in case anyone else wishes to chime in. From the answers that I was given, I hvae concluded that MT did not develop and implement a new system just to suit this team, which seems to be what he is being credited with. But I am willing to be re-educated, just as long as the Red Guard is not invovled.

    Question for fans more knowledgeable than I, which is just about everybody. Did Therrien implement a system specifically for the Habs’ personnel, or has he always used this system? I ask because people are giving him credit for implementing a system that suits this team, but I wonder if he simply ported his previous system with him and if it just happens to work well for this group or if he really designed or tweaked a new system.

    • Phil C says:

      I’m not sure about MT’s time in Pittsburgh, but at the beginning of the season, he did talk about creating a system that plays to the Habs’ strengths: using their speed and activating the defense. Montreal are a very aggressive forechecking team, taking advantage of their ability to skate. It also prevents their smaller defense from getting forechecked themselves, an added bonus.

      I think he activates the defense in the play quite a bit to take advantage of their offensively-minded defensemen. The Habs have to be among the league leaders in points by defensemen. I don’t think he would do this if he had a more defensive blueline.

      In short, I think he made adjusts that play to the team’s strengths. If they had a different team make up, I believe he would make adjustments to the system.

  60. mdp2011 says:

    For all the posters who think the Habs are going to move Kaberle, please stop dreaming. No GM in the right mind will trade for Kaberle, never mind that he still has a year left on his deal at 4.5mil, every GM in the league (except Gauthier) knows this guy has been horrible for the past 3 years and has nothing left. He will be bought out at the end of the year and will be playing in Europe next year.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Exactly. Imagine telling your owner that you just traded for a guy that the owner will have to pay 4.5 million to buy him out. NOBODY wants to pay Kaberle 4.5 million next year.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  61. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Does anyone else sense that this losing Iginla is going to have a very negative effect on the Bruins? A hard kick in the cajones takes some getting over. Go Habs!

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  62. Price07 says:

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=662735&navid=DL|NHL|home

    To all the terrible habs fans that don’t know what they have..

    nhl.com…top 8 goalies list…recognize number 4???

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      Let’s face it, short of bricking the net over, there is no human being that would satisfy the goaltending critics. They apparently know nothing about the position, the team defence concept or how difficult it is to play goal in the NHL. All they know is that we haven’t won every game and the puck has ended up behind Carey more than they’d like.

      21-7-5 baby, first place in the N.E., second overall in the conference with two games in hand on the leader!!! Go Habs.

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

      • Price07 says:

        Yup not to mention, Rinne (number 3) was pulled last night, for the 3rd or 4th time this month. A lower save percentage than Price and same for Quick, but both are still considered better than Price. And that’s fine, but people here in Montreal see a bad goal a bad game or even just a game where the other team scores 4 goals because of bad D, and rip Price. While they don’t watch any other hockey and realise that all the other good and even better goalies are having the same ups and downs. These critics don’t know anything about goaltending and aren’t very hockey savvy in general, not to mention pathetic “fans.”

        • OK, I’ll bite. I’m not a Price booster, but it isn’t just one goal or one game where Pricey has let more than his fair share of bad goals in, or just weak goals for an NHL caliber goalie.
          Frankly, if you are a first line goalie on any team in the league, including Columbus, you are still one of the top 30 in the world, so that is saying something. That being said, it is the boosters who talk about Price as the second coming of Roy, or Dryden, who also had their bad days (I remember, since I’ve been a fan since 1964, ah, the 1970’s Habs, a glorious decade to be a fan!) that make Price a target.
          Bottom line, he is an excellent goaltender by just being first string in the NHL. Is he the best of the best, not yet. That is what I’m saying. Does he have the tools to get there? Certainly. However this year, we are lucky/good to be scoring, or we’d be fighting for a playoff spot, kinda like last-year when all those OTL/SO losses cost us a playoff spot.
          So go Price go, but I don’t have that kinda confidence this year as he has been quick to drop down and flop. Just look at how square Budaj was in the SO with Boston. Didn’t move. Didn’t commit. Stayed up and square. Marvelous. Will Budaj repeat that? Who knows as he’s been weak at times too! Ah, there ya go, everyone has an off night, just not a few off nights (Pitts 7-6, Islanders both games and I was there, didn’t look pretty, Buffalo…)

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    • tophab says:

      ranked number 4 but save percentage says number 25 imo 25th is about right. both leaf goalies have a better save%.explain that.

    • tophab says:

      25th in save%

  63. HabFanSince72 says:

    I’m no expert but the only explanation for Tinordi and Dumont being sent down is that two injured players are ready to take their place. It isn’t because “a trade is in the works” because you wouldn’t send them down until the trade was completed.

    Second, players are not being “showcased”. That makes no sense either. The lineup is picked in order to win games.

    And finally Kaberle isn’t getting traded. If he can’t crack our lineup ahead of Pateryn, Tinordi and Weber there is no demand for him.

  64. jackbutt says:

    Fingers crossed for a big D man. Kabs is good bait. Should get something for him. Lets see if MB can do something without hurting the chemistry of the team.

    • Really? You don’t think the scouting reports on Kaberle are read over 1,000 times? Sure he is good on PK and sometimes a utility on PP, other than that, he seems to be a liability. Would love to see him skating again though. Must been eating him up inside to sit out every game even though he is getting paid well. Wonder what kinda shape he is in?

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    • Greg says:

      What do you think Kabs is worth? He’s only played 2 or 3 games this year. I’d be surprised if he’s worth anything more than a 4th round pick.

  65. Psycho29 says:

    I’d rather have Tinordi playing regular minutes in the AHL than 6 minutes a game with the Habs….

    I smell a deal coming….

  66. SmartDog says:

    5 TOTAL SPECULATION QUESTIONS:
    1. Would you trade Gallagher for the NYI first and third round picks?
    2. Who would you prefer to meet in the first round of the playoffs? Why?
    3. If Kaberle is traded, is there another Hab you would buyout this year?
    4. Who in the Habs organization is the most likley candidate today to win personal hardware? PK? Gallagher? Pleks? Therrien?
    5. Who is most able to stop the Pens?

    SD
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    • Mavid says:

      1-No
      2-Rangers
      3-No
      4-Gallagher
      5-Prust

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      1. No way.
      2. Toronto…love their goalies.
      3. No
      4. Gallagher
      5. LA/Chicago

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • 1. No. Why trade a young star for something speculative…
      2. Rangers. Torts is done, team has limited soul and a rebuild is on the way. Love playing teams that are lost… yet we still couldn’t beat Buffalo… go figure!
      3. DD.. just kidding, didn’t like the timing or contract…Gionta… need size to replace ‘em…(Can’t wait to hear the catcalls!)
      4. Gally the shorter… THe league hates PK even though he is our true up and coming franchise player, Therrien is getting way too much credit for the perfomance of the club this year, Pleks is a great all arounder, but not a standout in any specific way, which dilutes his hardware winning value. I like his quiet strength, reserve and class, but the voters don’t.
      5. Chicago. The Pens are on a run, but Fleury will evaporate soon. Vokoun, well, enough said. Wish Price would have a run like that too!

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    • HabFanSince72 says:

      1. Are you out of your mind?
      2. Bruins – for old times sake
      3. Moen
      4. Gallagher or Therrien
      5. Vladimir Putin

    • JP23 says:

      1. No.
      2. Jets would be entertaining.
      3. He won’t be traded. But either way I wouldn’t buy anybody else out.
      4. Therrien, Gallagher and Subban should all be good candidates for their respective awards.
      5. Not sure!

    • commandant says:

      1. No
      2. Winnipeg, I think they would be a good matchup for us.
      3. No.
      4. PK
      5. Marc-Andre Fleury will be the reason the Pens lose (if they lose).

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    • jackbutt says:

      No
      Laffs
      Moen
      Therien
      Pow Kaboom Subbang.

    • Mike D says:

      Good questions SD.

      1. Tough call. I love Gally. Hockey-wise, it’s probably a good trade but I’d hate to part with him. I guess I would do it…but I’d have a tear in my eye, lol.
      2. Don’t really care who we play but the Pens would be a tough match-up. Apparently the Isles too :-P
      3. Possibly Gio or Bourque, both of which are tough calls to make.
      4. Definitely not Pleks, the other 3 have about equal chances to win IMO.
      5. Us or the B’s.

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  67. Welks says:

    Weber is a victim of circumstances. He never should have been brought up so young before he was ready and the Goat signed him to a one way contract which keeps him in this limbo. Needs more AHL time to develop but needs to clear waivers. At the money I think he would be plucked pretty quickly. I think this puts MB tough position with Weber. Like a Diaz or Rafalski, Weber’s style and size requires more development time that the Habs really don’t have the luxury of giving him.

    • Or he’s just soft, has bad hands, skates like he has gouda in his skates and perhaps his liederhosen are too tight…

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    • commandant says:

      Sometimes a player just isn’t good enough.

      I don’t believe players can be ruinned by being brought up too early. Look at Latendresse, yes he was brought up too early, we all acknowledge that. But he’s still a pretty good player today. He still developped. His only issue is injuries.

      Same with Jiri Tlusty who the Leafs supposedly ruinned.

      Same with Pacioretty for us.

      Same with Price.

      Same with 100 other guys.

      If a guy can’t recover from a hit to the confidence from a slump as a rookie or whatever, he never had the mental fortitude to make it either.

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  68. NS-Hab says:

    Kaberle + 2nd rounder and habs eat half of Kabs salary for Clowe.

  69. habs-fan-84 says:

    I hope Prust isn’t coming back too soon. He’s more important to us the playoffs.

    With how fast and hard the NHL is, that separated shoulder still has me a bit concerned especially the way he plays.

    Tinordi: I like what I saw from him. The future is bright.

    Kaberle could help the second wave PP, unless of course, he’s being showcased.

    Lastly, it’s good to see White coming back too.

    • mdp2011 says:

      Showcased for what? The only place Kaberle is going is the buyout line at the end of the year. No one, I repeat, no one is going to touch Kaberle.

  70. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Anybody think Weber is better than Tinordi right now? I don’t…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  71. Yuck! Would rather have had Tinordi. This is the stuff I can’t figure out as an armchair GM. Weber really sucks. Kaberle must be trade bait, Diaz is out perhaps for the rest of the season or longer, so what’s left with no call-ups?

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  72. Thurston says:

    Maybe Kaberle is being showcased for a trade… oh, I just can’t keep a straight face while typing that one. LOL

  73. habs12 says:

    Kaberle actually hasn’t been horrible when he has played this year. But this could also be in preparation for a trade between now and Wed.

  74. hunter says:

    Please don’t tell me Kaberle will be back. A trade in the works?!

    • Mike D says:

      As far as I’m concerned, MB trading Kaberle is likely a bigger “win” for the team/organization that acquiring a rental player for the playoffs.

      – Honestly yours
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  75. HabFanSince72 says:

    Who is coming back? Prust and Weber? Prust and Kaberle?

  76. habs-fan-84 says:

    Considering we have 3 second rounders, I can part with one.

  77. mdp2011 says:

    Kaberle is untouchable, he isn’t going anywhere.

  78. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Jokinen, a solid forward, passed through waivers because nobody wanted to pay him 3 million next year. Kaberle is untradeable.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  79. Chrisadiens says:

    Nail and head.

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  80. Ton says:

    don’t rule out montreal going after Drouin………from the montreal area and montreal will be prospect rich after this draft!!!

  81. Loonie says:

    I think you need to look in the mirror.

  82. commandant says:

    Weber can not be traded until one calendar year after Nashville matched his offer sheet.

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  83. Timo says:

    You just want their pick, don’t you? :)

  84. commandant says:

    I think they’ve likely tried to trade him and gotten no offers.

    He is better than the kids, but they must buy him out for cap reasons, so he’s been effectively Gomezed, as MB doesn’t want to risk injury.

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  85. Red says:

    Yeah. He also implied that Armstrong embellished on the Chara elbow. Idiot.

  86. Whatever says:

    The only dive I saw that game was tough guy Shawn Thornton. He was held by Eller, but “somehow” lost all strength in his legs and collapsed. Wonder what Jack Edwards said on the play?

  87. B says:

    Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Beaulieu is an exciting prospect on D, but he is less than a season out of junior and has yet to play or score a point in the NHL. In the AHL this season, he is tied for 34th among D in scoring and 9 of the D ahead of him are also 1st season AHLers. Yannick Weber had significantly better stats in his 1st AHL season. So while Beaulieu has still has tremendous upside, he is not there yet. He is till a work in progress. Patience.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  88. Phil C says:

    The Habs still have a need for a defenseman who can kill penalties and play a shutdown role in the playoffs.

  89. Danno says:

    Neil is more than just a tough guy

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  90. habstrinifan says:

    A) Ottawa wont do that deal.
    B) Ottawa fans will howl.
    c) Ottawa needs butts in the seat.. Neil puts more butts in the seat
    than Gionta.
    D) Danno’s right.

  91. karpen33 says:

    He wouldn’t fit in Montreal’s room.

  92. Mavid says:

    And I hate him…I could not imagine cheering for him, not now, never, ever…

  93. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    NTC NTC NTC how many times do we have to post it so you stop floating Gionta trade options?

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  94. Boomer says:

    and mtl wouldn’t do that deal, never heard of a 30 goal scorer Captain traded for a 4th liner before

  95. johnnylarue says:

    Moreover, Neil is a heart and soul Sen. He strikes me as one of those guys who really needs to give a crap for the guys he plays with to give it his all.

    I guess I just don’t see him being playing as effectively for any other team.


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