Habs select McCarron in first round, Rosèmere native Fucale in second

The Canadiens added size with their first-round pick at the NHL draft in New Jersey, selecting 6-foot-5, 228-pound forward Michael McCarron, who was ranked 35th by Central Scouting among North American skaters.

The Habs also nabbed top-ranked North American goalie prospect Zachary Fucale, who many expected would go in the first round. A Rosemère native who grew up a Canadiens’ fan, the 6-foot-1 Fucale backstopped the Halifax Mooseheads this season as they won the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League championship and Memorial Cup.

The Canadiens chose Fucale 36th overall. You can listen to what the 18-year-old goaltender said to reporters here.

Mooseheads’ coach Dominique Ducharme described Fucale earlier this month as a “super kid” with great ability.

“He’s really intelligent, calm, confident,” Ducharme told The Gazette.

“He’s another one that really enjoys being on the ice. He’s working hard. And he’s got great ability. He’s pretty good athletically, but technically also. Put all that together with a great mindset. He knows how to win a game.”

“If there’s one thing that makes him even better, it’s his hockey sense,” Ducharme said. “And sometimes we don’t talk about hockey sense for a goalie that much. But the way he reads the play, the way he sees it coming, that helps him a lot . . . to be in a good position.”

The Habs chose Michigan native McCarron, who is with the U.S. under-18 development team, 25th overall at the draft, which was held at the Prudential Center in Newark. In 59 games this season, McCarron posted 16-21-37 totals and led the U.S. development team with 182 penalty minutes.

“I never thought I was going to go this high,” McCarron told TSN. “Even today I didn’t think I was going to go this high. It’s the biggest surprise to me. I’m so excited.”

“Obviously we like the size, the grit and the character,” Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin said of McCarron on TSN. “Mike has a lot of character and the way he’s been used we know he has hockey sense and he has grit. And it’s something that we need to build moving forward with his size.”

You can hear more of what McCarron had to say to reporters here (The first question is at 14 seconds) and here.

The Canadiens used their 34th overall pick to select 6-foot-2 Swedish centreman Jacob de la Rose. European Central Scouting placed him seventh among European skaters in their final rankings. You can hear what de la Rose had to say here.

The Habs also looked to Europe with their 55th pick overall, selecting Finnish forward Artturi Lehkonen. In the scouting report on NHL.com, Goran Stubb, NHL Director of European Scouting, said of the 5-foot-9, 163-pound Lehkonen:”He has very quick feet and smooth hands, plays a solid two-way game, and uses his speed and hockey sense to his advantage. He’s full of surprises in the offensive zone, can score the big goals and accelerates quickly, especially when in possession of the puck. While he’s not very big or strong, he’s still a first-round talent.”

The Canadiens selected Connor Crisp, a 6-foot-3, 225-pound forward in the Ontario Hockey League, with their 71st overall pick. Crisp scored 22 goals and picked up 14 assists in 63 games this past season with the Erie Otters.

With their 86th overall pick, the Habs chose forward Sven Andrighetto from the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies. Andrighetto put up 98 points this season (31 goals, 67 assists) in 53 games. The team’s next pick was Martin Reway from the Gatineau Olympiques in the fourth-round (116th overall.) Both are 5-foot-9 wingers.

Jérémy Grégoire, a 6-foot, 188-pound centreman with the Baie Comeau Drakkar in the QMJHL, was the Habs’ sixth-round pick (176th overall) He was ranked 79th among North American skaters by NHL Central Scouting.

The Canadiens went into the draft Sunday with nine picks, six of them in the first three rounds. The Habs traded their seventh-round pick to Florida for the Panthers’ seventh-round pick at next year’s draft.

You can listen to what Bergevin told reporters here:

And you can listen to what Trevor Timmins, the Canadiens’ director of amateur scouting, said to the media here:

More coverage at montrealgazette.com/nhldraft

Canadiens go big with first-r0und pick, by Pat Hickey

Habs tried to move up to top 10 pick, The Canadian Press

Habs’ interest in Lecavalier is “very high,” Bergevin says, by Pat Hickey

QMJHL scores at NHL draft, by Pat Hickey

Three former Lac St. Louis Lions selected, montrealgazette.com/westisland

Martin Brodeur drafts his son in seventh round for Devils, NHL.com

(Photo by Bill Kostroun/The Associated Press)

 

 

2,425 Comments

  1. Timo says:

    How come Robert Gainey is not all over MB yet to get Desharnais? Desharnais for Ribiero – yes/no?

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Riberio will be a UFA, so a trade won’t be necessary…unless we send DD to Washington for his rights for the next 12 hours…

      • Timo says:

        Send him somewhere… anywhere… the point is getting rid off Desharnais not so much acquiring anyone else.

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          Aha, that’s fair enough, haha

          You know, if anyone was interested, it might be the Flames. Not sure if they’re planning on having Monahan in the lineup as early as next season, but even if they are, still short on offensive centremen.

          • SnowManHabs85 says:

            If Flames do get DD, they’ll still be short on offensive centermen with Cammy as their #1 and DD as #2. lol

          • D Mex says:

            ” … they’ll still be short … ” aha, yes they will. :-)

            ALWAYS Habs –
            D Mex

    • Tomi says:

      Desharnais for Ribiero…..Yes please!

    • junyab says:

      I’m not a DD fan or Ribeiro for that matter either. But why are we trading someone we just signed for 3 years?

  2. twilighthours says:

    Feist is on in my physiotherapist’s office. Man I love feist.

  3. bwoar says:

    @cautiousoptimist

    I agree with your assessment of Detroit, and in many ways I see them heading in a different direction than Montreal. Their window is closing very fast. Contrary to everything we’ve heard, I think Vinny takes a 1-2 year deal to go there. Why go to Detroit for 5 years only to have to help them rebuild after the next 2?

    That said, I don’t anticipate his presence in Montreal unless we give him 6M per & a lifetime supply of jerk-repellent.

    “thoroughbred”

    • Mike D says:

      I personally think Detroit’s window (and Vancouver’s too) is already closed. Detroit’s defense is pretty brutal except for Kronwall and maybe Dekayser, and their best players are starting to get long in the tooth and declining (although still excellent). I’m not an expert on their prospects but I can’t think of any who are real standouts either.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Chris says:

        Brendan Smith will be a good NHL defencemen. He’s poised to be in their top-4 next season after they have taken a slow road developing him.

        I also think Jakub Kindl is underrated, and he stands to be given more of a role next season.

        They do need help back there, especially another puck mover. But it isn’t as grim as it could be because of how strong their team defence is.

        I would not at all be shocked to see Tomas Kaberle end up in Detroit as a stop-gap while they wait for Ryan Sproul and Xavier Ouellet to develop. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him do relatively well there.

        • Sean Bonjovi says:

          Jakub Kindl is greatly Overrated. I’d maybe rather have Kindl that Chris Campoli, but I’d take Dennis Wideman over Kindl and Wideman kinda sucks.

      • bwoar says:

        Van still has a heartbeat, but it’s fading quick too. They’re ahead of DET, but ownership & management are officially a gong show.

        “thoroughbred”

  4. neumann103 says:

    Jeff Schultz

    Pick him up off waivers

    Cut his brother

    Drive for 2000 posts on this thread

    “Et le but!”

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      His brother is already a RFA, who hasn’t/won’t be qualified. No need to cut him. Sad story, kid can’t stay in shape.

      EDIT: 2000th post. Boom.

      The family of Timmy O’Toole gratefully acknowledges all of your support and efforts.

  5. HabFab says:

    Spector’s Hockey –
    Bozak: “Hi, Roberto Luongo? It’s Tyler Bozak calling. Just wanted your advice on long term contracts…Roberto?… Why are you sobbing?”

  6. junyab says:

    Anyone else a little bit disappointed with our picks from the weekend. I’m no scout, but I would’ve rather seen:

    25th – Klimchuk or Hartman
    34th – Zykov
    36th – **keep Fucale pick**
    55th – MO Roy
    71st – **keep Crisp pick**
    86th – Jordan Subban

    • mrhabby says:

      Sports Illustrated and Hockey Insiders gave the Habs an A for draft day. We did pick 25th.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      The only player I’m disappointed on missing out on is Zykov. That said, when a guy is projected high and falls quite a bit, I always assume the scouts know something we don’t. It’s one thing for one team to pass on a player for whatever reason, but with Zykov, a lot of teams chose not to draft him. Makes me wonder….

      De La Rose sounds like a hardworking kid. Never going to be a star, but might be a great additions to the bottom 9 at one point. Might be a low risk, limited reward pick, whereas Zykov is a high risk/high reward type.

      Only time will tell!

  7. Un Canadien errant says:

    It looks like little Timmy O’Toole, while still in critical condition, is getting the support he needs to pull through.

    Only 40-odd posts to go people!

  8. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Ok so now we know what last few trades Habs did finally looks like,

    Cammalleri, Karri Ramo and fifth round pick(Ryan Culkin) in the 2012 Draft for Rene Bourque, Patrick Holland a second round pick (Fucale) in 2013

    Kostitsyn for 2nd round pick(Jacob De La Rose) in 2013 and cancellation of our conditional 5th rd pick(Patrik Bartosak) which was traded in the Drewskie trade.

    Cole for Ryder and 3rd round pick(Connor Crisp) in 2013

    What ya think? Did we win all of last few transactions Habs made?

    Edit: switched De La Rose with Fucale, commandant thanks for the eye.

  9. Chris says:

    My UFA targets:

    1) Jeff Schultz – Big (6’6″, 230 pounds) defenceman that can play top-4 minutes. Not very physical for his size (only 17 hits in 26 games) last year, but he can block shots. Fell out of favour in Washington, getting routinely scratched and seeing his ice-time slashed. At 27 years old, he might be a younger, much cheaper version of Rob Scuderi.

    2) Viktor Stalberg – Good size (6’3″, 209 pounds), great speed and decent offensive potential (15-20 goal, 35-40 points while playing all over the lineup). He’s not especially physical, but he isn’t shy about throwing hits either. Stalberg is versatile in that he can play anywhere from the first to the fourth lines, and his speed and hands might make him a great match for Alex Galchenyuk or Lars Eller moving forwards.

    3) Valtteri Filppula - At 6’0″ and 195 pounds, Filppula isn’t going to set anybody’s heart aflutter. But he’s got skill, and more importantly he’s developed to be a good two-way forward in a team that forces its players to commit to a system. Filppula is inconsistent and his only big year came when playing with Zetterberg, but he’s shown that he can get you 15 goals and 40 points as a third liner with some spot PP duty. I like Stalberg more because of his speed and I think he will sign cheaper than Filppula, but either guy instantly upgrades Montreal’s top-9 forwards and lets them use Brandon Prust and Travis Moen as fourth line forwards, where they can excel.

    After that, there is not really anybody on the UFA list that I can see Bergevin being interested in. I think he will largely confine his interest to players under 30, and he’s going to be looking for defencemen and wingers. That limits the list substantially.

    With so many marginal kids, there is no need to sign any forwards unless they have some proven NHL offensive ability. For my money, that limits us to Stalberg and Filppula, as Clarkson is going to be overpriced.

    I don’t know why, but I honestly believe Schultz is a solid bet to resurrect his career outside of Washington. He and that team were finished two years ago…they should have traded him. He wanted out, and they no longer trusted him. A change of scenery could be all that the 27 year old needs to resurrect what once looked like a solid, but not spectacular, NHL career.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks. I like 1) and 2). Vinnie who?

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I’m a big fan of Clarkson…I’m just worried someone is going to overpay dearly for him (*cough* Leafs *cough*). But for fair money, he’d be at the top of my list.

      Fair being 4 million for 3-4 years (for production and intangibles…size and grit)

      • mrhabby says:

        your underestimating the overpayment. Clarkson will surely fetch in the 5-6m range. He is exactly the type of player all teams want. Supply and demand at work…lots of teams not enough players.

      • Chris says:

        There are lots of guys I like that aren’t on that list. I would put Lecavalier #1, and Clarkson would be a great fit.

        But I don’t think either are even remotely reasonable picks to come to Montreal due to cap concerns and/or market concerns. So I don’t bother wasting time on guys I think have zero chance of coming here.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      ROB SCUDERI

      Only that, is a huge win with no asset costs going the other way and adds incredible mentor skills that have huge value over and above Cap costs.
      That then allows trade options….

      • Chris says:

        34 years old. You are paying for his decline. I don’t think Bergevin is going after players that are over 30. He’s looking to build a young team, and has stated an aversion to UFA’s that are generally over-priced for what they bring on the ice.

        • Maritime Ron says:

          He is NOT in decline!
          How old is Chara?
          Scuderi was a Top 4 for LA.
          Think mentorship and leadership for 3-4 years
          He is still a shut down guy and top PK Unit guy.
          Youth always needs help.

          • Chris says:

            Scuderi can’t hold Chara’s jock-strap. Come on…one guy is a perennial Norris Trophy candidate, and the other is a second-pairing defensive specialist who plays a smart, positional game.

            Scuderi is turning 35 in December. You know how many defencemen were over the age of 35 at the end of last season?

            29. Of those 29, only 22 played more than 20 games. Scuderi may or may not be in decline now, but the decline is coming and it will come fast. I’m not a believer in looking at the Scuderi’s of today, but the Scuderi’s of tomorrow.

            You will overpay for what you get from him. The better bet is to gamble on who the next Rob Scuderi is going to be and try to get him on the cheap.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Calm down!
            Skuderi would be a GREAT 2-3 year signing.
            Regehr set the market.

            Put Scuderi with PK and allow him mentorship with the young guys coming.
            Hopefully you understand intangibles….

          • Chris says:

            I’m quite calm. :)

            I just think the Scuderi love is misplaced. He’s not especially physical. He is a giveaway machine for a guy who isn’t much of a puckmover.

            He basically block shots. And he doesn’t block any more than Jeff Schultz does.

            Scuderi is coming off a $3.4 M cap hit contract. His playoff performance is going to convince somebody to give him $3.5 – 4 M for those 3-4 years. He isn’t worth that kind of cash.

            Scuderi has been great in the playoffs for the Penguins and the Kings over the past few years. He’s been much more average in the regular seasons.

            Montreal already has a lot of LD on the roster: Markov, Emelin, Gorges and Bouillon are all LD. Markov is slightly younger than Scuderi, brings way more offence, kills penalties just as much and isn’t that big a downgrade defensively.

            Scuderi has played on one of the best defensive teams in hockey the past two seasons. Last year, he ended up -6 in 48 games. The year before that, he was -7 in 82 games.

            Markov gets chided for being -10 for the Habs and their Mickey Mouse defensive scheme this past season, but Scuderi is the saviour with his defensive numbers. It strikes me as a classic case of the grass being greener over there.

            I’d rather have Markov for this season, and then let Emelin partner Subban moving forwards.

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Chris
            You gotta think intangibles – leadership – teaching the young guys how not to panic and become pros…who can do that in the present Habs line up? Who can flash 2 Cup rings at the kids – 2 rings that he was a big part of.
            Think that one through…

          • Chris says:

            No, I haven’t ignored the intangibles. I’ve dismissed them.

            The ring argument is a nice way to barter up your salary. Ultimately, it is irrelevant.

            Montreal have got plenty of guys who can mentor the kids.

            Did you know that Marc Bergevin was a 20 year defenceman in the NHL? :)

            We’ve also got Patrice Brisebois, who played a long and distinguished NHL career in the cauldron that is Montreal.

            Jean-Jacques Daigneault enjoyed a long career in the NHL despite less than desirable skill or size.

            Francis Bouillon is one of the oldest players in the league, thriving despite his lack of size because he is smarter than most defenceman and willing to do anything it takes for his teams to win.

            Andrei Markov is one of the grizzled veterans of the NHL and can mentor Subban far, far better than Scuderi can. Markov can transition from defence to offence in the blink of an eye. So can Subban.

            Scuderi would admittedly be a good mentor for Tinordi: make the safe play, dump the puck off the glass. However, Montreal’s got tons of guys that can mentor on that style of play. :)

          • Maritime Ron says:

            Well, on this one we’ll have to agree to disagree and see what happens
            :-)

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Filppula isn’t going to set anybody’s heart aflutter.”

      I sure hope he doesn’t read this website.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      What’s your thoughts on Matt Hendricks? I’d like him as a Jeff Halpern replacement. He’ll get some attention though, in this day and age, and probably won’t come cheap.

      http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/a-shopping-list-for-canadiens-marc.html

      • HabFab says:

        I concur…

      • mrhabby says:

        yes…exactly the type the player habs need.character guy like Prust.

      • Chris says:

        As you say, I don’t think he will come cheap and Bergevin is looking to upgrade his top-9, which Hendricks won’t do.

        They’ve got Moen and Prust as two prototypical fourth-line wingers. White is a decent fourth-line centre, but Dumont could fill this role as well with size on his wings.

        The guys I chose can slot into the top-9 forwards (or top-4 defencemen, in the case of Schultz). I don’t think signing UFA’s to fill out role player positions is a winning strategy for the Habs moving forwards, as those guys are often more expensive than the hungry rookies. Dumont has earned a chance to stick with the big club, so I think he’ll get a fair shot at the fourth-line centre position in a competition with White.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I like 1 and 2, not sure Filppula would ne needed. As you said, Stalberg can play in various spots, however, I would think he would slide into the 2nd line left wing spot, his natural position and that would allow Bourque to move to his natural right wing spot to replace Ryder. Unless Gionta is traded or out due to his injuries, they would not need Filppula.

      Habfan17

      • Chris says:

        Filpulla can play wing or centre. We saw last year what happened when Eller got injured. Having a winger who is a proven NHL centre is not a bad thing, and would take pressure off Galchenyuk having to stay in that role if he struggles.

        Versatility is the name of the game.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      1) Schultz has mobility issues and would be totally lost in MT’s D system.

      3) Fillpitulla: Far from rugged and coming off a $3M Cap Hit.
      He is a Center and won’t find line mates like Zetterberg, Franzen, or Cleary in Montreal. No thanks

      • Chris says:

        1) Schultz is a shot-blocker. Montreal has thrived with positional defencemen over the years. If we’re seriously thinking about Gill as a stop-gap, then nobody can use Schultz’s mobility issues against him. ;)

        2) Filppula is my distant 3rd choice. The only thing he brings that is unique is that he can play wing or centre. That is a valuable commodity. He can kill penalties, he wins draws (better than 51% in each of the past 4 seasons, last year he topped 55%).

        As you say, he’s going to be $3-4 M. That is still less than Clarkson will get, and I think Filppula is a much better hockey player. He’s not rugged, but he competes and he’s smart. He spent most of his career on the third line in Detroit, but he did produce in his one year of being a top-6 forward when he was given Zetterberg.

        Montreal does not have Zetterberg or Franzen. But they do have Galchenyuk and Gallagher. Filppula could slot in as the LW or C on that line and provide the defensive responsibility that the other two lack, while still having enough offensive skill to contribute.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          > The only thing he brings that is unique is that he can play wing or centre

          Not unique. Stephen Weiss is also available… grittier too.

          >As you say, he’s going to be $3-4 M.

          It’s been reported that he’ll be looking for at least $5M.

          • Chris says:

            Weiss will cost a lot more than Filppula. Hence he wasn’t considered.

            If Filpulla gets up to $5 M, you drop him from the list. He isn’t going to get that much in Montreal. I would be a bit surprised if he gets that much anywhere.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Weiss will not cost a lot more than Filppula.

            There’s no reason to think that based on production, previous contract, position, age, versatility….

            In fact, there’s probably a better argument to be made that Filppula will make more.

          • Chris says:

            Weiss has been a #1 centre for years whose offensive numbers have been stifled by the lack of support in Florida. He’s basically averaged 60 points per seasons post-lockout.

            Filpulla is a #3 centre/#2 LW who averaged 35-40 points per season with one gust to 60 points.

            You said yourself that Weiss is grittier. He wins faceoffs. He plays the power play and second wave penalty kill.

            Weiss averaged ~75 games per year in the previous five seasons before getting injured last year. He injured his wrist, so the injury concern is frankly non-existent. You used him as a counter to my argument that Filppula is unique for his versatility, but now you’re arguing that Filppula will earn more because of his versatility. I’m not following the logic train on this debate.

            Filppula has averaged ~75 games per year if we substract the 27 he missed in 2009-10.

            Weiss just turned 30, Filppula just turned 29. Their ages are, for all intents and purposes, equivalent.

            I think it is a rather Herculean stretch to argue that Filppula is going to earn a bigger contract than Weiss this summer. Both guys are coming off disappointing seasons (Weiss’ was a disaster, while the Red Wings were reportedly annoyed that Filppula could only produce offensively with Zetterberg).

            Anything is possible, but I don’t see Filppula pulling down a bigger contract than Weiss, who was considered one of the top trade deadline targets before his season was shutdown with the wrist injury.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Herculean effort??

            Here you go:
            > Weiss’ was a disaster
            > his season was shutdown with the wrist injury

            There. Much easier than, say, slaying the Nemean lion. ;)

    • Ozmodiar says:

      1) pylon/healthy scratch. would likely force a trade, so who goes, and how much would it improve the team?
      2) soff/healthy scratch. I like the speed, though.
      3) expensive

      Boyd Gordon or Matt Hendricks

      /bold style to keep pace

      …Vinny/Dupuis/Clarkson …if the price is right.

  10. HabFab says:

    Some of the stories / rumors out there:
    – Letang deal held up because Pens won’t give him a verbal promise not to trade him until his new contract with a NTC kicks in next July 1st… wonder how he feels now?
    – Norton wants $6 ml per for a 6 year deal and has two teams in mind.
    – Bozak and Leafs close to a 8 year just under $5 ml per deal

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      That’s crazy money/term for Bozak in my honest opinion (as in it’s not biased because he’s a Leaf, haha)

      Letang money will be the benchmark for PK’s contract. Well worth it.

      Heard Horton issue wasn’t money with the Bruins, but that he just wanted out — imagine the Leafs are going pretty hard after him.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        “Heard Horton issue wasn’t money with the Bruins, but that he just wanted out”

        A bit like Charlton Heston on Planet of the Apes.

    • HabFab says:

      Spector’s Hockey – If the #Leafs are offering Bozak an 8-year deal, or sign him to such a deal, it’s another example of why the salary cap can’t fix stupid.

      :D

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      That’s one of my question, the 8 year deal is reserved to players that are re-signing with their existing team, does the team have to keep the player for a certain amount of time or can they “sign and trade”? Would that be considered circumventing the cba?

  11. HabFanSince72 says:

    Forget Vinny. What about Mike Ribeiro, who is also 33?

    OK stop laughing in the back.

    Joint 10th scorer in the league last year tied with Getzlaf and Datsyuk.

    Only three centers had more points: Crosby, Staal and Stamkos.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      He has matured a lot since his original stint with Montreal….my big fear is would he stay mature back in the craziness of this market?

      It’s an intriguing possibility. And with all the focus on Vinny, would be a good time to talk to him. That said, money and term, money and term.

      Would also have to find someone to take DD, if we did get him (or any other centre).

      Calgary and TB are both in need of centres…

    • Mike D says:

      People will chuckle at that idea, but besides Iginla, I can’t think of a better player available as a UFA (Clarkson may still re-sign in NJ) off the top of my head. I’m not a fan of Ribs personally, but in terms of just hockey skills he’s pretty damn good.

      I may be forgetting a couple players, but he’s among the top for sure.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      He’s a good hockey player, but I can’t believe that Marc Bergevin and Michel Therrien would think he would fit in to the character philosophy they’re trying to instill in the team.

    • Chris says:

      He’s a centre and doesn’t play well on the wing. Montreal already has a bit of a centre logjam: Plekanec, Desharnais, Eller and Galchenyuk. Adding another, who is likely looking for a 4-5 year deal, to the mix isn’t what they need.

      If he was a bit younger, I could see the Habs thinking about it. But I get a feeling that Bergevin is going to be a bit more ruthless about players over 30.

  12. SnowManHabs85 says:

    Hal Gill is on waivers, probably making room for Seth Jones…

    • HabFab says:

      That was the reason given.

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      “I thought we had the situation resolved to our mutual benefit before (Gill) left (for the summer), but with the drafting of Seth Jones and our desire to in all likelihood put him on the team, it’s probably not going to be a perfect fit for Hal,” Poile said.

      Here’s what Gill tweeted Sunday:
      @Skillsy75 Welcome to the Preds @seth_jones3 #BigThingsAhead #nhldraft #preds

  13. Maritime Ron says:

    @Un Canadien errant

    Your posts are always eloquent and well thought out with great analysis, yet there are also other realities to consider when determining a landing spot for Lecavalier.

    While you present a somewhat compelling case about family and some perceived needs to be close to family roots, there are several realistic life experiences that would challenge your position.

    Just 1 example, and if need be, I have several more.

    A good friend of mine and his wife were Quebec born with family roots in the Province .
    Several years ago they moved to Manhattan because of business opportunities.
    Over the years, he became what could be considered wealthy and his wife and children became accustomed to life in Manhattan.

    With wealth comes choice to do and live where one desires – certainly with 2013 technology.

    He and family enjoy immensely returning to Quebec and enjoying time with family….yet their life is now somewhere else having been established over several years.

    While your post can be considered noble and caring, the realities of pro sports and ‘contact technology’ make your arguments almost a mute point.

  14. frontenac1 says:

    I don”t get all this”Vinny doesn”t want to live in Montreal”stuff. It is a great city. Doesn”t everyone in Florida pack heat? You can plug anybody if you feel threatened or some sh#t? The only heat packed in Montreal is by the girls and it is a different kind of heat altogether amigos.

  15. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    I was as hard on Gauthier as anyone, but looking back now, the 34th and 36th picks were a pretty good gift to this club.

    The 34th came by way of Andrei Kostitsyn. Straight up, I’d already take De La Rossa (sp?) for him. From what I’ve read of this kid, he’s never going to be a star, but a very hardworking third liner that plays physical. Like it.

    And the Cammy trade returns Bourque (similar production, bigger and cheaper…and I’d say, despite the injury, a bit of a bounce back season last year — commitment-wise if nothing else), Holland (who knows, but can’t hurt to have him in the system) and now Fucale (an upgrade on Ramo).

    All in all, I’m happy with that.

    And MB got us this Connor Crisp kid in the Cole deal….he looks like a big body. Low scoring, but another potential resource to make us tougher in the bottom 6.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Crisp can also play net if Price falters!

      (he played as an emergency goalie in the OHL one game)

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        That was him! I thought I recognized the name from somewhere, hahaha!

        Seems like MB and team went much more for depth guys in the draft, not high risk/high reward players (until the later picks, like the Finnish guy (Arrtura?) and Andgrehtti (until they play a game in the uniform, my responsibility to spell their names correctly doesn’t kick in).

        Shows a faith in the prospects they have, as well as hedging their bets with later picks (pick the hard workers, they’ll have a better chance of reaching their [lower] potential)

  16. HabFab says:

    Pierre LeBrun – According to the league, free agents can start speaking to other teams beginning at 12:01 am ET tonight (Tuesday night/Wed morning).

  17. Un Canadien errant says:

    So Jeff Schultz is about to be bought out and is on waivers now. Would it make sense to claim his $2.75M contract right now? He’d be a good addition to the mix of defencemen we have.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/a-shopping-list-for-canadiens-marc.html

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.ca/2013/06/should-canadiens-trade-for-jeff-schultz.html

    We wouldn’t even have to give up an asset in return, and if it doesn’t work out, he’s only under contract for a year.

    • HabFab says:

      IMO we are too tight with the Cap. He will be half price on Friday.

      • Chris says:

        He won’t be signed for half of that. Somebody will give him $2-2.5 M, and I would not at all be surprised to see him go for $3-3.5 M. Remember Michael Ryder to the Bruins? :)

      • 24 Cups says:

        Frank – We have 9M with four forward spots to fill. If Schultz is picked up on waivers the team can take his salary and then subtract Tinordi’s or Drewiske’s by sending them to Hamilton.

        • HabFab says:

          Capgeek doesn’t count EL bonus money and $2.6 million of that is bonus money attached to Chuckie and Gally…how much of that don’t you believe they will take?

          • 24 Cups says:

            Frank – I guess the big question is will MB spend big coin to replace Ryder. If not, then he can take on Schultz’s 2.7M. That would leave the team at 6M. Demote Tinordi and it’s 7M. Sign White and it’s 6M which is money the team can spend on a 4th liner as well as two forward subs.

          • HabFab says:

            Again, my original point. You are not taking the bonus money into consideration. Bergevin has to.

          • Chris says:

            Most of it would be hard to attain. The Schedule A bonuses are not so hard to attain: 20 goals, 35 assists, top-6 among forwards in ice time, 60 points, 0.73 points per game (min 42 games played), among top three forwards on club in +/- (min 42 games played), and All-Star Game appearance. But this total cannot exceed $850k for an individual player, or $215k per individual bonus. So Galchenyuk and Gallagher could be able to combine for let’s say $850k of Schedule A bonuses that have to be added to the team total, but more realistically they will get ~$500k. My guess is that they have put most of it on ice time, goals, points and assists. Earning all four would be tough, even for Galchenyuk who I expect to breakout next season.

            The remaining $1.5M in performance bonuses can only be obtained by being in the top-5 or top-3 for individual awards at the end of the season. I don’t see either Galchenyuk or Gallagher hitting those heights next season, so there is almost no way they will earn that money.

          • HabFab says:

            Plus signing bonuses of $90,000 per player plus Tinordi. So to be safe would have set aside about 1/3 of the total. That drops the $9 ml to about $8.2 ml. Good stuff Chris, was curious as to how the bonuses actually worked out. Thanks!

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s what I worry about HabFab. His contract is reasonable right now. It won’t be at his size and pedigree, once he’s a UFA.

    • 24 Cups says:

      27 years old, 6’6″/230 and we have no one to step in right now and replace Emelin. Not much to lose.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        That’s what I’m thinking. It’s a one year deal too so no anchor. It allows Jarred Tinordi more time in Hamilton, and improves our mix on defence. If he’s a good fit we try to extend the contract. It seems like a good solution.

    • Chris says:

      Schultz has been my #1 target for a while. I am desperately hoping the Habs sign him, and picking him up off of waivers would be even better.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        So why are the Caps ditching him?

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          It seems to be cap issues. What he brings to the table, they already have in John Erskine and Karl Alzner, among others.

          Meanwhile, we’re mighty, uh, short of that.

        • Chris says:

          They’ve fallen out. He wanted to be traded a couple of years ago when they cut his ice time. Basically, he needs a change of scenery.

          It’s a gamble. But it is a relatively cheap gamble with decent odds and a good payoff. To me, this is a preferable gamble to signing a player like Scuderi, who you are gambling won’t begin his decline at age 34 (35 in December).

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I don’t have a firm grasp of who he is, I never really focused on him when he played, I was watching Mike Green or Ovie, but it seems that there are extenuating circumstances to his being a healthy scratch, beyond the obvious ‘he wasn’t good enough’. According to Adam Vingan:

        Last season, Schultz fell victim to head coach Adam Oates’s philosophy of playing his defensemen on their natural side, Therefore, Schultz, who shoots left, was the odd man out behind Karl Alzner, John Erskine and Jack Hillen and did not play after March 31.

        http://www.nbcwashington.com/blogs/capital-games/Capitals-Buy-Out-Jeff-Schultz-2013-NHL-Free-Agency.html

        Good to see there are others who would think claiming him might be a good course of action.

    • habs_54321 says:

      i say go for it.

  18. Un Canadien errant says:

    I like the few posts trying to turn the tide on the multitudes who presciently claim that “Vinny doesn’t want to play here”, or “He would never want to deal with the crazy pressure/fishbowl/difficult grocery situation.”

    While this is an open forum and everyone is welcome to state their opinions, on this issue we have a few indications of what is going on, and by no means are they all negative. Sure, he’s going to be in demand, his asking price will be high, he may not be a fit, his family situation may warrant that he stays in Florida or the Southeast, but these are not decisive or even certain.

    Another factor which is underplayed, in fact completely absent from the discussion, is that Vincent and his wife are both from Québec, as are most of the uncles and aunts and grandparents of the kids. Now that is only one consideration, but surely it will play a part in the decision? Vincent is no dummy. He may think the pressure may be too great in Montréal, but he may also think that having his kids live here and learning the French language and getting to know their family better and hanging with their grandparents is a great opportunity.

    To say nothing about how good the bleu-blanc-rouge #44 might look on him, and how that might speak to him, even though he had the Red Wings as his favourite team growing up. As a teen, you do things to carve out an identity, and maybe being an Yzerman fan was one for him, but the Canadiens will still have some pull on a Montréal boy.

    So while all the detractors make some valid points, let’s keep an open mind and see how it plays out. As much as there are reasons for Vincent to choose not to come here, and as much as there are reasons for the Canadiens to choose to not sign him, there are countervailing forces as well.

    Let’s not sell Marc Bergevin and Geoff Molson short, they have a few cards up their sleeves that other locales don’t, they’re not completely devoid of ammunition. They can make a strong bid for his services, and both parties can decide. I’m not saying it’s likely he signs here, but there is a definite possibility, contrary to what the common wisdom on here seems to dictate.

    ———————————————————————–
    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • Ed says:

      there’s no doubt Montreal is his 2nd HOME.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I agree with this post 100%. When diagnosing rumors, trades or the possible UFA signings, I take the same point of view as you do in this post.

    • Chris says:

      It isn’t happening unless the Habs offer him a contract that will have us howling “Gomez”.

      We’re already hearing that numerous teams are willing to offer 5-year contracts to Lecavalier, and the going rate is in excess of $4.5-5 M.

      In no shape or form should they go near that disaster. He’s a good player, but we would be paying him for his decline years. I just don’t see any way that Begevin makes that mistake.

      Given how much Lecavalier has valued privacy and has fought to protect his private life, I don’t see him suddenly turning around and signing in the one place where he will be guaranteed to have no private life.

      He has all the time in the world when he retires to spend with his family. He and his wife can teach his children French perfectly adequately…millions of Canadians already speak one language at home and another in the community.

      Lecavalier signing with the Montreal Canadiens doesn’t make sense for Lecavalier and it doesn’t really make sense for Bergevin. On a short-term deal, it would be great. But for the 5-7 years he is said to be looking for, it would be a mistake.

    • wjc says:

      He will expected to win the Stanley cup, this season, or all hell would break loose. Make no mistake, he will not settle in Montreal and the continual scrutiny, no matter how it is ‘sugar coated’.

      wjc

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree with you 100%, If he does decide to sign with the Habs, who do you move? One of either Pleks or DD I would think. Eller has shown to much progress and still has room to grow and Galchenyuk is not going anywhere! To me if Vinnie does join, he becomes the defacto #1 centre, with Eller on the 2nd line and Galchenyuk centering the 3rd. I know some think, keep him on the wing, howver my perspective on this is that he needs to learn the nuances of playing centre at the NHL level and develop his faceoff skills and playing on the 3rd line he is somewhat sheltered.

      Habfan17

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Pacioretty-Lecavalier-Desharnais
        Bourque-Plekanec-Gionta
        Galchenyuk-Eller-Gallagher
        Moen-Hendricks-Prust

        Rupp-White(Kristo)

  19. 24 Cups says:

    A few random thoughts about last week.

    1. A team isn’t going to get any gems when they are drafting 25th, 34th and 36th. In that range all young players come with question marks and liabilities. MB stated he wanted to move up into the top ten. No mention was made of what the cost would be but you can be assured the price would be steep. Fans can’t be too critical when you are drafting after all the “sure-bet” players are gone.

    2. McCarron is gamble to be sure. The alternatives would have been Hartman or Erne. Fans cried out for size and physicality so that call has been answered. De la Rose is third line material and was picked ahead of Zykov and Hagg. Hab fans wanted a goalie prospect and they got the best available who also happens to be French-Canadien. Lehkonen has a soft melon but decent upside. The alternative would have been Carrier who was also hurt this year. Montreal’s top four picks were all part of the top forty on most mock draft lists.

    3. Don’t look now but all the other division rivals just got better except Boston. Toronto picked up Bolland, Bernier and Gauthier and all it cost them is two 2nd rounders. Their deep pockets will allow them to sign an UFA to replace Frattin. Rumour has it they are right in the mix for Clarkson. If that happens then the laff jokes will have to end on HI/O.

    4. Buffalo has picked up six great prospects in the past 12 months. Gritgorenko, Girgensons, Hackett, Larsson, Zadorov and Ristolainen will all help Buffalo redefine their team. They also had a great 2nd round on Sunday picking up Compher, Hurley and Bailey. The rewards may not show right now but certainly will in 2 or 3 years.

    5. Ottawa already had a great stable of kids and then added Lazar at the draft. Just as important is their cap situation. They are laughing for the next two years as they have money to burn. It’s hard not to believe they won’t add a few more pieces at some point in time.

    6. The only team in the division to take a step back was Boston. They are going to miss Horton and Ference. They also didn’t have a 1st round pick this year and their selection from last season was a goalie. The Cup window may have just closed for this team.

    7. There were quite a few trades but the one that hurt Montreal the most was the Frolik deal. I really wish that MB had stepped in here and traded a 2nd rounder for this guy. He would be a very reasonable replacement for Ryder in terms of salary and asset exchange. The guy is still just 25 years old.

    8. Everybody is saying that Lou is the Godfather of hockey. I’m not so sure about that. I think it’s more of a case that Gillis isn’t that great a GM. I can’t believe he didn’t get an extra asset in that deal. Gillis may be desperate but then again so was Lou. (I wonder what the Edmonton offer contained). Speaking of desperation, how about the New York Islanders moving the disgruntled Nino Niederreiter to the Minnesota Wild for Cal Clutterbuck. This kid was drafted 5th THREE years ago and is already out the door.

    9. Here’s an interesting point about Colorado. The team finished dead last but here is their top nine: O’Reilly/Duchene/Parenteau, Tanguay/Stastny/Landeskog and McGinn/MacKinnon/Downie. I think you could make the argument that they are as good if not better than Montreal’s top nine.

    10. Vinny. Rumour has it that Dallas is pushing real hard to land the top free agent on the market. Lecavalier, Gonchar and Nichushkin would be nice upgrades for a team that’s been treading water.

    My pet peeve – Owners who take their kids up to the podium in team jerseys when they are making their 1st round pick. Molson has to be the worst in this regard with Katz coming a close second.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Steve – I like what Buffalo has done as well.That team could be a major force in the years to come.

    • habsfan0 says:

      ” A team isn’t going to get any gems when they are drafting 25th, 34th and 36th.”

      Subban was drafted at #43.
      I’m not sure what your definition of a “gem” is,but he certainly seems to fit it.

      • 24 Cups says:

        I’m talking in general terms. Of course there are always exceptions to the rule.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        I think what he meant is there are no surefire bets that late. You know Mackinnon, Barkov, Drouin and Jones are all going to be bona fide NHLers, whereas with the later picks, there is more uncertainty. Of course, they can still turn out to be great (Subban, Lucic, etc.), but there can also be duds.

      • florida habs says:

        ditto

    • Good points, 24. I’m okay with MB staying away from Frolik, though — nothing against the guy, but he hasn’t had more than 11 goals in a season since 09-10. He’s still young and may well rebound with a bigger role in Winnipeg, but I don’t think he’s our missing piece in the top 9, and he would have cluttered an already crowded depth chart with the addition of a Horton/Clarkson/other UFA.

      And you’re right, our division will be tougher than it has been in years. Buffalo, Ottawa and Toronto are all better, and in the new alignment, add to that a Lightning team that’s much better than the standings made it seem last year (14th place but a decent -2 goal differential). If they can shore up the D a tad, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them make the playoffs this year.

      Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

      • 24 Cups says:

        I only mention Frolik because he’s a talented guy who is still young. His goal totals have been low because of the role and lines he has been assigned.

    • HabFab says:

      Steve, just read where Vinny told Nashville he wants to stay and play in the EAST.
      Agree that Buffalo has acquired a ton of good prospects in the past two drafts.
      As for Frolik deal. On tweeter French media reported two intense discussions with LA and one with Chicago during the draft…who knows?
      As for the kids they belong to Molson, Timmins and Bergevin… give them heck or maybe it is part of the “we are family theme”
      As regards the draft, believe both Fucale and Lehkenon were “Wow, how did they get here” picks.

    • krob1000 says:

      There is still more to pick from the Chicago scrap heap….Stalberg and Frolik IMO are interchangeable and both have Kostitsyn like tendencies to play great then disappear. As long as you accept them for what they are …then they are good players to pick up. They are guys who can be slotted in anywhere in a lineup basically…in a pinch they can play top line minutes…they are a threat to score on bottom lines. I was also surprised to see Montreal not roll the dice on Frolik but when you see a guy like him go for that price you have to wonder.

      • Chris says:

        Agreed. I think Stalberg would be a great winger for Galchenyuk. He’s got impressive speed, and he’s got enough offensive skill and size to make a difference there.

        My two UFA targets would be Stalberg and Jeff Schultz, who has been bought out by the Capitals.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Disagree on Frolik with that one. He radically adjusted his game to be a part of the Hawks. Went from a high scoring prospect, to a very defensively minded top penalty killer — that’s what was asked of him by the Hawks and he did it with no complaint.

        Not to say that I think he’d necessarily be a fit on the Habs, but I don’t think attitude is a problem with him.

        • krob1000 says:

          I never said he had an attitude…my comparison to Kostitsyn was a reference to Frolik being another enigma….he is streaky. Stalberg is the same…when on a roll they are fantastic players but they go into dark funks. THe funny thing about Andrei K is he was one of the best hitters the Habs had but noone ever acknowledged that aobut him when he slumped….he still caused turnovers and other dmen to panic and opned space with the threat of his shot,etc. He got a bad rap.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      3. Leaf jokes will not stop.
      5. Ottawa are pylons. They rely on unsustainable goaltending.
      8. He’s only 20! Isles continue to be the stupidest team in hockey.
      10. Isn’t Iginla the top free agent?

    • habstrinifan says:

      Hey if I was an owner I would take my kids, my dog, my whatever… all dressed in team colours. Just saying.

      And great read.

  20. Some comic relief on a cloudy Tuesday: The Top 10 Ilya Bryzgalov Quotes. : )

    My favourite: “OK, they fire the puck from the blue line. Chief usually yelling ‘block the shot’ at the defensemen. They doesn’t have the goalie gear, but they have to block the shot. So who is more crazy, me or the defensemen? Who is more weird?”

  21. Habfan10912 says:

    Missed my morning HIO fix doing Grandfather things but catching up now. Best exchange of the day:
    Bill – Has there ever been so much spent on so little as DiPietro?
    Habfansince72- Gary Bettman

    Great question Bill and even better answer Paul!

  22. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Sign Clarkson, trade Bourque. This, I like.

    Bourque was actually pretty good last season, obviously missed a bunch. But showed promise. But clearly, healthy or not, he’s not as good as Clarkson.

    And I think some teams would be interested in Bourque. At 3.3 he’s not a terrible pickup cap-wise for teams that have room.

    Of course, that means Clarkson would want to sign here….and would also effectively take the Habs out of the Vinnystakes

    • bwoar says:

      Get Clarkson, keep both, actually be that much better. Wouldn’t that be nice?

      “thoroughbred”

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Absolutely :) Was thinking more capwise. To get the money to sign Clarkson and still have enough in the vault for PK next year, would be nice to shed some salary.

        • bwoar says:

          I think more than one veteran will be gone before the beginning of the 2014-2015 season: Plekanec, Markov, Gionta, probably Moen. Quite possibly (gasp!) Carey Price.

          “thoroughbred”

    • wjc says:

      There are no ‘VINNYSTAKES’, Vinney is not coming any where near Montreal. The reason, too many teams are interested in him and the price and term would be too high and long.

      Vinny is rich, he needs privacy, he does not need the social network and media blaming him if a Stanley cup is not forth coming….oh say next year.

      wjc

  23. krob1000 says:

    Fuchale has essentially no trade value down the road. What GM wants to make a trade and then say he got Fuchale in the deal?

  24. If I had to wager an admittedly uninformed guess, I’d speculate that Bergevin knows he’d be crucified for not at least talking with the most high-profile Quebec-born francophone star who’s been a UFA in a good while. I’m not sure he’s willing to pay the king’s ransom — in term at least, and likely in dollars too — that it would take to get Vinny into a Habs jersey.

    But if he says publicly that his interest level is very high, then worst case scenario he can at least say he tried as hard as he could to get a homegrown star — but couldn’t take on the contract in the new cap reality. Best case scenario of course is that Vinny signs a reasonable contract here. Working in our favour is that with a massive buyout payment coming his way, and his family’s financial future assured for generations, he may be more likely to play for a team he loves, rather than the one that pays the highest or offers the best tax situation.

    Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

    • HabFab says:

      If he plays for the Team he loves, then that is Detroit.

      • Well, he said he grew up loving both Detroit and Montreal. For all our tax and political issues, Montreal is at least a much more pleasant place to live than Detroit right now.

        Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • habsfan0 says:

          However,Detroit still has several auto manufacturing plants that Vinny could take his family on a tour of. Montreal’s Boisbriand GM facility where they built Firebirds and Camaros closed a long time ago.

        • bwoar says:

          Unless you’re Vinny Lecavalier and expected to lead a hockey team to the Stanley Cup. Then it’s a nightmare, and Detroit looks like the Big Rock Candy Mountain. With unicorns & cotton candy.

          “thoroughbred”

          • I dunno — Detroit is perenially solid, but they’re not what they used to be. Their best players are all on the wrong side of 30, too: Datsyuk and Cleary are 34, Bertuzzi is 38, Samuelsson is 36, Kronwall and Zetterberg are 32, and Franzen is 33. Their D isn’t outstanding after Kronwall, and while their prospect pool is decent, a not-so-great draft this year isn’t going to help them replace their aging stars. They squeaked into 7th place with 56 points last year, 21 points behind Anaheim in a shortened season.

            I hate to say it, as I like that team, but their window may be closing, if it hasn’t already.

            Mike Boone: “With Gainey at my side, I’d walk into any dark alley in the world.”

        • wjc says:

          Then, unfortunately, he grew up and forgot about Montreal. They would eat him alive and he knows it. Ex players would say….”stay out of Montreal, unless you have no choice.

          Price will bolt as will P.K. first chance they get…..mark my words.

          wjc

          • florida habs says:

            it keeps me awake at night. I guess we will find out during round 2 of PK negots.

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      “Bergevin knows he’d be crucified for not at least talking with the most high-profile Quebec-born francophone star”

      Nah people aren’t stupid. Habs fans know their hockey.

      • wjc says:

        You just hit the nail on the head, however, exchange Bergevin with Lecavilier and you have it.

        “Lecavillier knows he will be crucified as a high profile Quebec BORN francophone player, it the Stanley cup does not follow immediately.

        Habs FANS think they know it all, when it comes to hockey.

        wjc

    • habsfan0 says:

      If the Coyotes do leave Phoenix,is it a certainty they will relocate to Seattle? Or is Quebec City still in the mix?

      • bwoar says:

        Seattle. NHL is gonna make PKP et al pay an expansion fee come hell or high water.

        “thoroughbred”

        • Un Canadien errant says:

          Are you sure PKP will pay the expansion fee, or will the good people of Québec buy him his team as well, after building him an arena?

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        I think Mike Smith received assurances that the Coyotes would either be in Phoenix or Seattle when he signed his free agent deal. He might have even tweeted that.

        • habsfan0 says:

          Well,given the uncertainty brewing in Egypt,Cairo appears to be out as a destination for the Coyotes. Too bad. Cairo Coyotes has a certain ring to it.

          • Un Canadien errant says:

            Cairo is unlikely as a destination for the Coyotes, since they’d have to play in one of the Eastern Conferences. Maybe they could go to Perth, and be renamed the Dingos.

          • habsfan0 says:

            Hadn’t thought about that.
            There isn’t a “Middle East Conference.”
            Yet.

  25. chrskwn says:

    that leaves the 2 of us ..

  26. chrskwn says:

    “(The Wings are) a team I grew up idolizing,” Lecavalier said during a conference call Thursday. “(Detroit) and Montreal were my favorite teams. Steve Yzerman was my favorite player.”

  27. HabFanSince72 says:

    Clock might run out on the Maple Leafs winning another cup:

    http://news.uk.msn.com/end-of-the-world-in-a-billion-years-say-scientists

    • habsfan0 says:

      LOL.
      I think the Laffs will,at the very least,challenge the Chicago Cubs record for futility.105 years and counting since their last championship.

    • bel33 says:

      Too funny! I want all of my Toronto franchises to get better and go for championships… EXCEPT for the Laffs.

      I’m good with it taking this long for them to win.

      Although I have to admit the party in downtown Toronto would be epic. I was there in the fun for both the ’92 and ’93 World Series celebrations on Yonge Street. Literally a million people partying downtown. That would pale in comparison if… IF… the Leafs ever win it all.

  28. HabFab says:

    Let the action begin;

    Brennan Klak – In conclusion: Regular waivers features Russell, Zanon, Hunwick and Gill. Jeff Schultz on unconditional waivers, Caps to buy him out

    Ballard clears waivers, no takers.

    A number of RFA’s being informed they will not receiving qualifying offers around the league also. Will be busy leading into Friday.

  29. Bob Gaineys Stare says:

    The Canadiens should stay away from Vincent Lecavalier: http://bobgaineysstare.wordpress.com/

    • Mike D says:

      GREAT article! For all the Vinny lovers, please read carefully.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • habstrinifan says:

      “Lecavalier posted a -6.03 CORSI last season on a weak Tampa Bay team. Notice that even Stamkos only had a 1.99 CORSI and you realize that Lecavalier’s numbers were probably being dragged down a bit by his team’s shoddy defence. All this means is that while Lecavalier’s been on the ice, the other team’s had a decent advantage in scoring opportunities. Of course, this is just one year’s example. More distressing is that the last time Lecavalier led Tampa Bay’s centres in CORSI was during the 2009-2010 season. The year after that, he was far behind Dominic Moore (!) in CORSI, with a 1.91 rating compared to Moore’s 9.25.”

      Thanks a lot! I am now faxing these stats to every GM in the league.
      Can’t find MB’s fax number though. What a bummer.. Lecavalier will have no option but Mtl..

    • bwoar says:

      Ugh. Microstats.

      “thoroughbred”

      • Bob Gaineys Stare says:

        Sure, if Lecavalier were 18 and the Canadiens had the 1st overall pick, thoroughbred might mean something. Of course, Lecavalier’s 33 and will likely only decline in terms of skills/value. Paying him as a thoroughbred would be paying him for his past rather than his expected accomplishments.
        Microstats or not, do you seriously think Lecavalier’s effect on the Habs’ salary cap, combined with his actual value as a player, will be better than Tomas Plekanec’s or Lars Eller’s?

        • danimal72 says:

          Vinny can play wing, he has before I think. A little less defensive responsibility too. He would look pretty good there. Could be a good back up on face offs too.

          • Bob Gaineys Stare says:

            Sure, but how much would you pay for that? He’d be great as a complementary player on a complementary player’s salary, but it sounds like he wants more money and responsibility.

  30. Bill says:

    Has anyone ever made more money for as little hockey as Rick DiPietro?

    Serious question for any of the numbers-nerds on the site.

  31. Mike D says:

    Our old friend Hal Gill placed on waivers by the Preds.

    Anyone think they would trade us Gill and a 1st or 2nd round pick for DD?

    They need cap friendly offense and DD’s defensive liabilities are less of a concern to that team’s structure. In turn, we take Gill’s contract off their hands, saving them 2mil and they throw in a decent pick. Gill only has 1 year left and MB says you can never have enough Dmen anyway. Skillsie always brings it in the playoffs too.

    – Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

    • Hstands4Hockey says:

      They’d be stupid not to claim him. PK was a huge weakness last year. #GillWatch

      Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!
      @Hstands4Hockey

    • wjc says:

      DD is now the official whipping boy for the Montreal Canadiens.

      DD lost his line when Cole was traded in the ‘lock out’ shortened season. He struggled and at times looked to be turning it around, however, this was not to be.

      Price, is a close second as ‘whipping’ boys go, but, alas there can only be one per year. Gomez is still being whipped and he has been gone for a while. As the summer carries on ‘Price’ has become worse and worse, without even playing. Go figure.

      But D.D. is the new whipping boy, scape goat, sacraficial lamb. Sorry D.D. it has to be somebody. Your lack of size and your playmaking ability was not an issue when Cole and Patriocety caught fire, but since Cole got off to a slow, sulky start and he got traded D.D. has been attacked relentlessly.

      But, they are facts of life in Montreal and free agents realize this and hesitate……smart lads, they are indeed.

      wjc

  32. Un Canadien errant says:

    Regarding the loss of the 19 firefighters in Prescott, Arizona, there are a lot of questions to answer once we deal with the shock and grief of the friends and loved ones. There will be an inquiry, technical details will come out, and undoubtedly we’ll find out that mistakes were made, and we’ll try to ensure that it never happens again.

    As far as Ed’s broad questions go, the issue of tradeoffs will be examined. We may still be too aggressive when dealing with forest fires, and I have no doubt it happened in this case. The issue of the wildland-urban interface is something we’ve been struggling with as a society. Whether we continue to allow residential dwellings to be built in difficult terrain nestled in trees is one concern. Another is what is the homeowner(s)’ responsibility in terms of risk abatement, and what resources should be deployed to protect these homes. How binding should evacuation orders be?

    Also re-assessed will be how advised is it to stamp out every forest fire, as Smokey Bear as advocated for decades. This practice leads to the interruption of what some experts believe is a natural cycle, with regular naturally-occurring fires clearing out forests, thinning out the underbrush and reducing the amount of fuel on the surface. When we do get fires now, instead of having mature forests with lots of space between trees and a manageable amount of ground fuels, we have forests choked with scrawny trees and decades of leaves, mulch and needles on the ground, and the fires burn at higher intensities. Maybe we should let fires burn more often, and just monitor them, and only intervene in specific instances. This wouldn’t be popular with the forestry sector however. Every cut block lost is a loss of profit for the companies and jobs for loggers.

    In the narrower sense, when we do decide to fight a fire, we have to have personnel on the ground attacking it. There is only so much that can be done from the air. Much like the military have told us, you need ‘boots on the ground’. And trucks and pumps and bulldozers. Without ground work, the only way to extinguish a forest fire is to wait for a wet winter, and even then sometimes a fire will flare up again in the spring.

    As far as what happened in this specific instance, I hate to second-guess in light of the tragedy, but we’ll find out that several mistakes were made by the firefighters themselves and their managers. These firefighters were an elite, advance team, they were put in a precarious position and given an aggressive mission probably, and some conservative decisions should have been made at some point to get/keep them out of harm’s way.

    There are several ways to ensure firefighter safety in a wildland setting. There are acronyms that crews and bosses use to remind themselves to always be aware. There is the 30-30-30 rule (in Canada), which states that you have to be extra careful when the temperature rises above 30 degrees, the relative humidity drops below 30%, and the wind gusts above 30 km/hr, because conditions can change very rapidly and the fire will burn with extra intensity. Updated, effective weather forecasting is crucial for crews. The use of lookouts, trained crew members who do nothing but keep an eye on the fire and report back to crew bosses when conditions change, is mandatory. So are regular crew briefings, during which any issues are discussed, everyone is made aware of the plan of attack, and hazards to be aware of are highlighted. Effective communications also mean having radios for everyone and using them properly to keep track of everyone. Crews always need to have two ways out, two paths they can follow to escape, at minimum, and a safe zone they can reach quickly, where they can take refuge if the fire changes and they need to back away. The use of the aluminium shelters is an absolute last resort, they should only be deployed in the rarest of cases, and when they are they are even more rarely effective.

    Unfortunately, these principles were developed at great cost, when other crews were lost in the past, and are sometimes forgotten and may need to be reinforced. We’ll learn, and most probably re-learn some lessons due to this incident, and hopefully this kind of tragic, preventable loss will never occur again.

    ———————————————————————–
    In the very long view, it is important that kids growing up in Québec love the Canadiens and recognize themselves in the team, and a bit of the team in themselves. This generates more lifelong fans who will support the team, and more players who dream of making it to the NHL and wearing the bleu-blanc-rouge. In the salary-cap world we live in, this is an important strategic edge we have on the St-Louis Blues and the Florida Panthers. If Geoff Molson understands anything, it needs to be that there must be a strong, visceral, emotional connection between the fans and leurs Glorieux.

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

  33. HabFab says:

    Brennan Klak – Preds placing Hal Gill on waivers

  34. habs11s says:

    So Rick DiPietro is being bought out. I firmly believe that the Islanders decision was not as bad as most people make it seem. They gambled with a franchise goalie and a long contract. IF DiPietro stayed healthy, it would have been a steal to have his contract at 4.5 mil per year (especially since the rate of franchise goaltenders is about 6-8 mil and climbing). Unfortunately, his career is hampered by injuries and inconsistency ( IMHO due to the injury time).

    _____________________________________________________________

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      A few posters on HIO assail management for paying Carey Price as a franchise goalie and star before he’s proven anything. If that is justified, then it is even more so for the Islanders and Rick DiPietro.

      The greater fault of the Islanders was how aggressive they were, they foisted this contract on themselves. They got way ahead of the curve, deemed Mr. DiPietro a can’t miss star, since they’d drafted him first overall anyway, and paid him for what he would become. His contract was not the norm, what the market deemed necessary at the time.

      I’ll always remember the abysmal Charles Wang, acting like the ‘smartest guy in the room’, being all smug at the press conference announcing the contract, lecturing reporters on how he was bringing business principles to the hockey world, and talking about amortization and depreciation and other buzzwords.

      The thing is, this contract was harebrained from the start. It seemed like it would either be an anchor on the team, or that Mr. DiPietro would be criminally underpaid during his peak seasons and might rankle at that fact, wishing for a renegotiation but unable to do so. The chance that it would fall in the Goldilocks zone, that it wouldn’t be too much or too little compensation, was relatively slight.

      So the Islanders wear this one. It’s not like the Lightning, who were desperate to retain a franchise star, and tried to pay what they thought was market rates for an elite player who was nearing unrestricted free agency. In effect, the Islanders built a bear trap, and then deliberately stepped in it, thinking since it was their own design it wouldn’t bite them.

  35. Habs_4_ever says:

    Who is the older gentleman next to McCarron in the picture?

    ————————
    “Leave the gun, take the cannoli.”

    • HabFab says:

      I believe it is Mike Boone…or maybe Frank Jay :)

      Frank Jay used to be the Chief Scout for the Senators and the guy who taught Timmins the ropes. The Sens released him a number of years ago for rumored health reasons. TT hired him.

  36. ClutchNGrab says:

    For what it’s worth, here’s a Puck Daddy’s Greg Wyshynski on where Vinny might end:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/breaking-down-vincent-lecavalier-derby-150427027.html

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yahoo reports that Vinny grew up with Detroit as his favourite team? WTF! Okay, no wonder the reports of him not wanting to play for Montreal.

    • Phil C says:

      “We spoke with someone who knows Lecavalier fairly well during the NHL Draft, and he said – without qualification – that Vinny didn’t have a desire to play in Montreal, despite being a Quebec native. The spotlight would simply be too intense.”

      Not coming to Montreal. Moving on….

    • Puck Bard says:

      3/1 odds Vinnie trades Florida beaches for America’s answer to Kabul: right.

      • Strummer says:

        You do realize that Detroit athletes and other citizens live in the suburbs and not the inner city?

        ______________________________________________________
        “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  37. habstrinifan says:

    OK I’m chiming in on the Mtl thing and then ducking for cover. And to show you how deep my thinking is on such heavy matters I shall trot out the biggest reason why a UFA may be hesitant to sign in Mtl.

    Too many freakin car horns!! WTFU with you people.. yes I said you people. Everybody blows their horn at everybody else. Geez.

    Now to be fair.. on my recent visit to GTA this ailment seems to have spread there.. and it’s a growing bother here in Ottawa.

    Shhhhhhhhhh… everyone! I am daydreaming about about CUP #25 and the call “McCarron drops the Mallet on Lucic and P.K grabs the puck and ‘gingerly’ skates centre ice; passes to Vinny who dipsy-doodle around Chara the pylon and drops to Galchenyuk.. a ‘cannonading’ and he scores…… Habs WIN habs WIN!

    So stop with the horns eh!

  38. Mattyleg says:

    Okay, I’m never going to complain about those ‘You Might Also Like’ links any longer after having read this headline:

    “Man Smashes Plate Over Boyfriend’s Face After He Refuses to Stop Listening to Alanis Morisette.”

    HI/O, you can post whatever the hell you want, that just made my year.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      Good for him.. Alanis Morisette can’t touch this……………
      Y.M.C.A.
      It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
      It’s fun to stay at the Y.M.C.A.
      Young man, Young man, there’s no need to feel down
      Young man, Young man, pick yourself off the ground

      Y.M.C.A.
      just go to the Y.M.C.A.
      Young Man, Young Man, I was once in your shoes,
      Young Man, Young Man, I was out with the blues

      Y.M.C.A.
      Y.M.C.A.
      Y.M.C.A.

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Elliotte Friedman’s latest 30 thoughts.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/07/30-thoughts-focus-switches-to-nhl-free-agents-offer-sheets.html

    * Interesting note at the bottom, Kaberle has hired 2 new trainers to get him ready for next season. One of them is Sydney Crosby’s trainer, no mention if the other trainer is also a practising doctor specializing in Heart Transplants.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Thanks for the link. Always a good read for ‘inside info’.

      The following is interesting..
      “23. Most bizarre story: Can there seriously be an issue between Daniel Alfredsson and the Ottawa Senators? Can you imagine Boston — now in need a right-winger — even being able to bid because this gets to Friday?” Andersson anyone?..anyone?

      Then he talks about the bids for Lecavalier starting to get in the stratosphere level… dont think HABS could/should stay involved at the level Friedman is mentioning.

      So while I dont have 30 thoughts.. I have one half-baked one. Lecavalier availability and the Letang deal (which I thought was done) has put Iginla talk deep in the background.

      What if Iginla comes real cheap or reasonable.. do we take him. I say YES siree!

  40. Maritime Ron says:

    While I may be absolutely wrong, I believe Bergevin and team have a lot of irons in the fire….and just because the rumor mill doesn’t mention the Habs, that does not mean that much is not happening under the radar screen (Who saw the Cole-Ryder trade coming?)

    The holdup for the Habs, and several other teams at this specific moment, is the ‘Vinnie Sweepstakes’ because wherever he ends up has Major Cap implications and depth re-alignment issues.

    Once Vinnie and others such as Horton, Clarkson, Iginla, Briere, SCUDERI, Ribiero….let it be known where they are landing, a flury of trades will begin to happen that perhaps we have never seen before at this stage.

    Some teams will exceed the Cap by the allowed 10% until the season starts, and quite likely another flury of trades will happen during training camp when injuries also occur.

    I’ll go on record and say we are going to do something major – between now and the end of training camp. Most likely it will come out of left field.

  41. frontenac1 says:

    The few guys I know that went to Mtl to play for the Habs loved every minute of it and the City. Taxes were never an issue. Good accountants,tax lawyers and Investment advisors see to that. Saludos!

  42. 25Stanleycups says:

    Hi Everyone.

    What an awesome 6 month season the NHL was, we saw some of the best hockey we’ve seen in years. The finals were nothing short of superb entertainment. And as a HAB fan the emergence of hopefully a new era of hockey in Montreal, with great young talent.

    Injuries, and goaltending are clearly the most prominent factors as the playoffs go deeper. Rask, Crawford, Quick, and up until the Eastern finals Vokoun all showed what a goaltender needs above his skills, are confidence, confidence, confidence. Something unfortunately, Price struggles severely with once pressure starts to mount. At 26 i’m not certain this is something that will ever be worked out.

    With that said, it seems by drafting another potential all around 5 tool goalie, hopefully they won’t make the same mistake in rearing him the same way Price was. Besides Price is gonna be on his 3rd coach this upcoming season, with Melanson, and Groulx gone, eventually its not everyone around him, such as the defense, to which alot of people on here seem to always bring up. I saw alot of broken down defensive plays in the final couple rounds, and there were some pretty amazing saves made by those goalies, that under the pressure, I could very unlikely see Price making.

    I really think the Kaberle amnesty was a waste. With one year left to use buyouts, and only a year left on his contract. We could of been much better served gaining another year of information on the four long term contracts on the team. DD, Gorges, Max, and Price. Hard to figure all four of those contracts working out. Amnesty buyout on a remaining final year contract seems extremely short sighted when you consider that Montreal is not going to be a contender this season, and likely not for few more either, after seeing the caliber of Boston, and Chicago in the final. Definitely a few notches removed from those scales.

    On injuries, I only hope the best for Eller, and Emelin. They come back as strong as they were before their pretty big injuries, and that it doesn’t stunt their progression, as has been the case with the power forward in Max Pacioretty, and also Gorges having an off season, wasn’t as a result of all the hard hits he took the season previous also.

    Watching the finals, you realized how important injuries played a part, in when Hossa didnt play Game 3, and it almost cost Chicago the cup. Bergeron, playing hurt also factored huge in Bostons results.

    I think the Coach, Management, and all staff are going to be in a real struggle matching expectations from this past season, and making the playoffs, in what is now to be a 16 team conference. 50-50.

    I wish the team alot of luck, but remember to remain realistic, that there are more than just 8 good teams, and there will be several good teams, above 500 not making the playoffs.

    Go HABS

    Enjoy your summer everyone.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Pretty clear and noteworthy points. Even the Kaberle buyout is well questioned. No mention of Gionta(injury) and Pleks and how they are to be used going forward. I would have liked your views since the other points seemed made after solid thought process.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      We could of been much better served gaining another year of information on the four long term contracts on the team. DD, Gorges, Max, and Price. Hard to figure all four of those contracts working out.

      wut?

    • neumann103 says:

      I think the Kaberle buyout was almost solely about cap space for 2013-14. If you want any flexibility for next year, you almost had to do it.

      Plus they were not really going to play him.

      “Et le but!”

    • florida habs says:

      conjecture on the Price comments, Crawford let in a lot of bad goals, I think there was 3 in a row on the glove side, and they won the cup.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi FH
        Remember that was Crawford’s 4th playofff series and please recall how many overtime games there were in the finals.
        The 1st game of the finals had 52 minutes of OT.
        Perhaps we should cut Crawford some slack.
        In the big picture, he was brilliant.

        • kalevine says:

          agreed, Crawford had a few bad games spread out over 4 long series’, not a few bad games in one short series

        • florida habs says:

          I agree Ron, just pointing out goalies let in bad goals, who is to say if montreal had a competitive team Price wouldn’t have had the same overall picture, he only played 1 series.

    • Coach K says:

      I have to agree with your comments on the compliance buyout of Kaberle. Although I was not a fan of his soft style of play at all, the fact remains that when he was allowed to play he was effective for the role to which his skills were best suited: good first passer, could skate the puck safely out of the zone and was an effective powerplay specialist. If people could just get past the fact that he was a former Leaf then maybe they blinders would have come off. The numbers don’t lie. When he got the chance to play he was putting up a point roughly every second game and his plus minus was not a lot different than other defencemen in the league who were paid far more!! There are forwards on this team who would love to earn a point every 2nd game. If the coaching staff can’t figure out how to make use of that kind of point production then they don’t know what they are doing. Like you, I think that blowing the buyout on somebody who only has one season left on his contract makes zero business sense when there are so many another worthy candidates.

      —When Hell freezes over, I’ll play hockey there too—

      • kalevine says:

        I was disturbed by the handling of Kaberle this season more than almost anything. I am not a fan at all, but you don’t bench somebody just because you don’t want them to get hurt. Did any other team do this? I guess probably, but that doesn’t make it right anyway. Plus he has just one season left on the contract. Unfortunately, I think politics got in the way of the right decision here, since he was a signing of the old regime. Most of the bad long term contracts right now were signed by the current GM.

        • Ozmodiar says:

          The decision was financial, not political.

          • kalevine says:

            in the sense that Desharnais or Gorges might have been a better buyout financially, but were signed by Bergevin, it was political more than financial. especially when you consider it only saves one year of CAP space

          • Ozmodiar says:

            Gorges and DD can help the team, or can be traded, while Kaberle cannot: hockey decision

            They need the cap flexibility this year: financial decision

            You’re just claiming that it’s a “political decision” because you don’t agree with the hockey/financial decision. Do you really think MB will let politics dictate how he runs the team?

      • neumann103 says:

        Both the defensive scheme and the management of personnel on defense were among the lowlights of this season. I am concerned that Subban winning a Norris despite being mismanaged masks the issues.

        While I am not part of the MOAR bigger crowd, the lack of a defensively responsible 6th D they could have paired with Kaberle or Weber as the third pair and been the 4th D for penalty kill was a big hole. When Emelin went down it was worse.

        In the beginning I would have tried to just roll:
        Gorges Subban
        Markov Diaz
        Emelin Kaberle/Weber

        which I think actually would have worked if they were playing a conventional defense and not the swarm.

        Kaberle was a desperate trade to pick up a perfectly useful asset who was overpaid for the role they had for him. I would not be surprised at all to see him signed for more reasonable dollars to fit a role that suits him on a team that has that gap.

        Weber has just been a mismanaged asset. I still think he has potential, but has never been given a consistent role to play. It makes me feel sick and I hope they give him his preference of cutting him loose or qualifying him with a view to either playing him or finding a home via trade.

        “Et le but!”

  43. Ed says:

    In Montreal, the season ticket holders pay thousands and thousands to be entertained every year.

    Re-building a team has to be done slowly and carefully.

    Markov and Gionta will be traded this year, no doubt, but it will be most likely at the trade deadline I would think.

    If we can make it to the deadline, we will get much more for these assets from teams more desperate to win.

    Deadline deals always bring greater returns.

    And we really don’t have the depth to replace either one of these guys to start the season. Emelin is out so there is even more pressure on our defence. Many of our forwards, including Gionta, are returning from injuries, so not much depth up front either.

  44. chrskwn says:

    that was mb’s move

  45. chrskwn says:

    nah the one extra third round pick was from sending cole to dallas in exchange for ryder

  46. Puck Bard says:

    If size and scoring potential was the criteria, I don’t know who folks would have had MB choose above MM. Maybe Dickinson? I think Dallas seriously rolled the dice with that selection.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Let’s give MB/TT the 1st round and first two picks in the 2nd round. They got their behemoth in rnd 1. They got their goalie in pick ()a rnd 2. They got LaRose in pick (b) rnd 2. For my money next pick should have been Carrier.

  47. b_whalen13 says:

    Eric Engles just post on twitter, “We know the #habs are high on Lecavalier, but I learned this morning that he’s very strongly considering them.”

  48. Lafleurguy says:

    I believe the two extra 2nd round picks and the one extra third round pick were all procured by Pierre Gauthier. MB “just” had to make good use of them.

    Just as a simple example, I can’t picture Detroit to be a great place to live and raise kids. It must be an even greater culture shock to young Europeans than Montreal would be. I think the love of hockey and the higher chance of being a winner is a strong draw to that city in its recent 22-consecutive-years-in-the-playoffs streak.

    “May you live in interesting times.”
    P.S. The players are paid so much better than the time Rod Langway was on the team.

    • florida habs says:

      actually, the Burbs of Detroit are quite wonderful. you would have to think that for Europeans anything in NA would be a shift in culture, that puts Montreal on a better footing from that perspective.

  49. SmartDog says:

    In general I get Bergevin’s vision and I think it’s good. It’s refreshing and shows he gets what’s happening in the league. All good.

    But like the signing of DD, I don’t fully get what he did on the week-end. A. He drafted this monster who might have been available later, knowing there were some high level goal-scoring prospects available. Then he takes a goalie and then a defensive forward. No goal-scorers in our top 3 picks. WTF? And B. He used most of his late picks on small guys.

    I don’t get this. We’re gonna still be a team with three 2nd lines.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • HabFab says:

      Doggie doo!
      Clean up on aisle 6…

    • Ozmodiar says:

      Can a team with 3 second lines compete with a team that has 1 all-star line? We’ll see how the Pens and Habs do going forward.

      Ya, I know. Kinda beside the point.

      25th – based on need. They didn’t want to risk losing him to another team before the 34th pick. The extra picks allowed them to take a chance.
      34th – they must really like de la Rose. Timmins is very familiar with Zykov and passed on him. That’s saying something.
      36th – they were probably surprised Fucale was there, and grabbed him based on need and value.

    • habs-hampton says:

      MB wanted McCarron. How do you know he would still be available at # 34? Maybe MB knew Fucale would still be there at #36. If everyone picked according to the TSN projections or the CSB list they wouldn’t need a draft.

      • florida habs says:

        you would think they draw up scenarios that identify if certain players are available at certain points in the draft orders they grab them. McCarron was their guy, as u pointed out, for all the reasons we have been panting for, a big man, we got one, smile!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Funny enough, seemed all season many were screaming for Big forwards and a new goalie. MB drafts this, and now this isn’t good.

      Last year he drafted a bunch of high skill players with average size. Went a different route this year to help balance the prospect pool.

      • florida habs says:

        why do you think that is, it is extremely odd? just following the draft here was a very depressing activity, maybe next year it shuts down for the day and see what remarks are the following day, a sort of cooling off period!

    • habs-fan-84 says:

      We have a great ton of talent already in the system and on the team.

  50. Bill says:

    @M-Ron: I’ve posted about this before, but I’m on my phone and don’t have access to the figures. However, in terms of the sum total of all taxes (federal, provincial/state, municipal) Montreal is definitely at the top.

    You are correct that in comparison to cities like New York, LA, or Toronto, the difference is not vast … but it’s still significant when you are talking about 3-5% of millions of dollars.

    You are also correct that if taxes were the main priority, everyone would want to play in Phoenix, Dallas, Alberta, or Florida, and that is obviously not the case.

    The impact is felt in the salary cap. Teams like Montreal simply pay players more (if they’re in demand players) to compensate for higher taxes. This is one reason that Carey Price’s contract is about a million more than you’d expect. It’s why Prust’s deal was surprisingly big. And for a team that spends to the cap, that becomes a problem, in comparison to other teams whose players can have a lower salary with the same take home pay.

    I still think the main turn-off for some players, probably mainly Americans and Western Canadians, is the cultural aspect. I believe that if they haven’t spent a lot of time in Montreal, they don’t know it’s a great city: they just hear all the negative stuff and believe it.

    • veryhabby says:

      People often say we overpay our UFAs to help cover the tax issue. I think we overpay at times due to the language/culture thing. Money talks, and money convinces. Altho everyone hates to pay high taxes, I think when you hear stories of Gionta having to call Cole to reassure him that MTL isn’t that bad a place for his family to live with the whole language thing. That the kids can go to English school, that you can get by not speaking French. And then once they hear that from a player, we still have to give them more incentive to come here. So here is a tad more cash then what the other team was offering…to help you cope with the language issue.

      Like someone below said, especially Americans who many know little about Canada let alone MTL. A winning team and strong management will make the team more interesting to players also. But there is no doubt that some think living in MTL would be difficult for their families.

    • bwoar says:

      Speaking of downsides, did everyone have a happy Moving Day?

      “thoroughbred”

  51. Strummer says:

    Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don’t make-

    How about NOT acquiring Ryan Clowe at the deadline?

    ______________________________________________________
    “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  52. Maritime Ron says:

    @Mattyleg and for your consideration.

    A tax comparison table set up by KPMG noting the difference in after tax income from the 30 NHL cities.

    http://business.financialpost.com/2012/06/29/graphic-hockey-havens-not-necessarily-tax-havens/

    One quick example:
    Montreal would have to pay a player a salary of $5M to equate to after tax money of a Florida player earning $4M.
    Other factors were not taken into consideration such as indirect taxation nor cost of living (wine and booze prices of course…)

    • Mattyleg says:

      As Burly mentioned below… the difference in lost money (not to the top, but to the middle city) is easily made up in endorsement/sponsorship/appearance fees in Montreal.

      Sunrise, Florida?

      Not so much.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Ozmodiar says:

        Local endorsement money isn’t that great for NHL players.

        Of course, and exception to the rule would probably be Vinny in Mtl. :)

        • Mattyleg says:

          You ever see that giant ad with Carey Price on the 116 schilling some car …thing…?
          Must have raked him in HUNDREDS of dollars.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • florida habs says:

      “wine, booze” that would be enough reasons alone!

  53. HabinBurlington says:

    Re: Higher Taxes in Montreal, Thus less money in Players Pockets.

    No doubt the tax scenario is true, in fact the Habs themselves are handcuffed by this much worse than any other team in the NHL. I seem to recall hearing that the Habs were paying in taxes on the Bell Center equivalent to nearly all the US Arena’s taxation combined. I believe Molson and company did some work with the city to help reduce this bill.

    Having said that…. what about endorsements and such. Does a 2nd or 3rd line winger in Nashville have the opportunity to get a free BMW for the time he plays in that city? Don’t most players on the Habs all end up with some kind of endorsement deals with local car dealers? What about being a spokeperson for some product in that hockey crazed marketplace.

    I know here in the Toronto area, I often see players pitching products while they are on the team, and I doubt this is volunteer work they are doing.

    Then there is the ultimate benefit of winning a Cup in a hockey market. You probably don’t pay for many meals the rest of your life there, especially if a local boy! Okay, I realize this may not be quite accurate, but the thrill if you are local to be a part of a team that wins a cup, now that is a lifetime of special memories that no money can replace.

    I am probably way too altruistic in my thought patterns here, but I digress.

  54. HabFanSince72 says:

    I listened to TSN690 for the first and last time this morning. Why would anyone want to save that?

    It was an interview between Tony Marinaro and his co-host and Georges Laraque.

    Marinaro spent the whole interview kissing up to Big Georges, which nicely set up the end of the interview when he says “hey Georges, buddy, why didn’t you reply to my email inviting you to a charity hockey tournament”. Georges’ priceless reply: “I get lots of emails man.” Beautiful.

    In the interview it transpired that Laraque still doesn’t know why the Canadiens’ let him go (really? you have no idea?) and he still believes that he was effective at stopping other teams from intimidating us (how many injuries can you remember occurring under BGL’s placid gaze: AK46’s concussion and Markov and Schneider in the same game against the Leafs are two instances I remember).

    Then BGL had some advice for McCaron, which can be summed up as don’t go to college, learn to fight with the Hunters instead. Because a #1 pick is going to be an enforcer. Great advice.

    • Puck Bard says:

      Happy to lend Laraque some perspective: George? In 40 years of watching the team, you are the worst Hab I can think of.

    • adamkennelly says:

      BGL was and is a freakin joke. He was injured when he signed the contract and was utterly useless while on the Habs…very reactionary by Gainey to bring him in…that being said – Habs needed some muscle then – and they need some now.

  55. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting read on the details of cap management, specifically for the Minnesota Wild. I guess with bonuses last season, they exceeded the cap by 400K last season, so as a result they have a smaller cap this season.

    Rumour had been they were going to buyout Heatley, but his injury prevents this.
    http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/213924041.html

    • HabFab says:

      One of my biggest beefs is people totally ignoring the bonuses… biggest offender is capgeek of course but for Hab fans. Don’t they think that Chuckie and Gally are going to claim most of the $2.6+ million in bonus money attached to their salaries. So swear words and nasty names at the whole bunch of you… yeah…you know who you are!!

      On the other issue, the Wild are going to have to trade or buy -out someone to get under cap.

  56. Habfan17 says:

    @ mksness and loonie

    I will agree that if MB could sign Scuderi and Fistric, then I would say, trade Markov. I do think either now, if he can get value or at the deadline, Pleks should be moved. They do need to keep some veterans.

    I will diagree with regards to MB breaking his word. I don’t think MB went back on his word at all. He had 8 picks in this draft, maybe he is looking to next draft to add more picks. I think to the contrary, he has stuck to his word, he did not over spend to move up and kept all but one of his picks, which he traded for a higher one next season. He did not trade away picks or prospects for a veteran at the deadline. He signed a college UFA to add a goalie, and he has signed a bunch of prospects and brought them over to finish out the Bulldogs season to get them experience and evaluate their progress.

    How is that going back on his word?

    Habfan17

    • JUST ME says:

      I fail to see even with injuries and age how we can compare Markov/Plek to Scuderi /Fistric and remotely think that the habs would be better.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Not comparing them, they add a different skill set that the Habs lack and if the Habs sign them as UFA’s and then can trade Pleks and Markov for a true 2nd line power left wing, or prospects and picks, they are better off for the long term, in my opinion

        Habfan17

  57. HardHabits says:

    JF’s post wins. Loonie’s posts lose.

  58. commandant says:

    The draft is over….. now to look ahead to free agency

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/07/02/nhl-free-agent-frenzy-preview-the-goalies/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • Marc10 says:

      So Ryan Clowe? Has he got anything left in the tank? I doubt it, but he did look good for the 2.5 seconds the Rangers had him before he got injured…

  59. HabinBurlington says:

    I realize we are a sports blog site, but what a tragic story down in Arizona with virtually an entire team of elite firefighters losing their lives. Apparantly this is the 2nd largest single loss of firefighters lives after 9/11.

    I know we have a few former firefighters here at the site as posters, my heart goes out to the young families of those victims.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-01/arizona-blaze-kills-19-firefighters-as-homes-evacuated-ap-says.html

    • Ed says:

      why are they on the ground fighting the fire and not in the air? why lose 19 lives to save homes when no residents were in danger? I just don’t understand the logic. It’s terribly tragic.

      • florida habs says:

        you can’t just drop water and hope to put it out, you need to build firewalls etc, I think they know what they are doing, unfortunately it is a dangerous occupation and should be honored for their bravery.

        • Ed says:

          I am honoring them, sir. But fighting fires should be about saving lives, including the firefighter lives, and not losing lives to save homes.

          And when the storm hit, their only option was to lie down on the ground in their fireproofed tents and hope for the best.

          If we never discuss what happened, how will we avoid this tragedy in the future?

          • florida habs says:

            I will leave it to the experts to debate but I wouldn’t question their decisions, they obviously feel that this fire needs to be extinguished for many reasons we are not aware of.

    • habstrinifan says:

      True HabinBurlington. Awful!

  60. Habfan17 says:

    If you are Edmonton, do you take flyer on Tim Thomas for 1 or 2 seasons?

    Habfan17

    • Marc10 says:

      They need a goalie that’s for sure. Ryan Miller would be a better option IMO as his style isn’t as dependent on over the top acrobatics… and plus Timmah is a nut job.

      The shine’s worn off Halak but I have to think he does a better job than average with a spotty D in front of him so maybe you test the waters with St Louis.

  61. HabinBurlington says:

    I can’t help but wonder if the Islanders waited until after the Lightning bought out Lecavalier before doing so with Dipietro. Perhaps they didn’t want to own much of the top 5 for all time biggest player buyout contracts.

  62. HabFanSince72 says:

    How is MB not building through the draft? He pointedly avoided trading any of our numerous picks for help last year. Sure he didn’t trade any of the veterans for picks but you still have to put on a show for the customers.

  63. Mattyleg says:

    Good morning everyone, hope your Canada Day went well, and that you’re not too groggy this AM.

    I will try to be… restrained and considerate in my treatment of the following topic, so please don’t come back too hard on me because I might explode.

    I’m a bit… frustrated… with many of the comments of people on here concerning the ‘desirability’ of Montreal to hockey players, and in many cases, to people in general by extension.

    Most of these comments are very disparaging, they paint in very broad brushstrokes, and they generally come from people who don’t live here, which I find a bit difficult to take. A number of posters are former Montrealers who left the city/province because of some of the issues they bring up, but these posters should recognize that unless they left in the past 5-10 years, a lot has changed here, and that there is much more to this province/city than the one-sided news they read in the Anglo press (most of which is only interested when there is a divisive ember to blow into a copy-selling, website-clicking controversy).

    Montreal is an incredible city to live in, and has been ever since it was founded 370 years ago. It has always been a place of mixed culture, conflict, imposed cultural constraints, and rebellion.

    …which is what makes it so great. It’s a unique city in the world, and it’s why, by comparison, almost every other city in Canada seems significantly more boring (although Rob Ford made a pretty good ‘crack’ at excitifying Toronto, Montreal and Laval refused to be one-upped and went through a string of corrupt and sexually-depraved mayors).

    Finally to hockey players:
    Taxes? Heh heh. Millionaires care not for taxes. Charities, well-paid accountants and offshore accounts can deal with taxes very easily.

    Language? Most hockey players (and wise people in general) see the opportunity for their children to learn a second language as a positive thing. Bilingualism expands your brain, don’t you know?

    The winter? If you can’t stand the winter, then what are you doing marrying a hockey player?

    As I said, I was as temperate as I could be with this post. Hope I was clear nonetheless.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • habstrinifan says:

      “…which is what makes it so great. It’s a unique city in the world, and it’s why, by comparison, almost every other city in Canada seems significantly more boring (although Rob Ford made a pretty good ‘crack’ at excitifying Toronto, Montreal and Laval refused to be one-upped and went through a string of corrupt and sexually-depraved mayors).”

      I like!!!!!!!

    • mrhabby says:

      every city in canada is unique and has its own style not only Montreal…iam being diplomatic.

      • Mattyleg says:

        I’m not exactly sure why you’re saying that as a response to my post.
        I never said that no other city in Canada was unique.
        Every square inch of the world is unique.
        (confused)

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • mrhabby says:

          you did mention that almost every other city compared to Mtl is boring and iam saying every city is different and unique. Mtl is unique and fun not above other cities.

          • Mattyleg says:

            No, it’s not above.
            And a number of the things that make Montreal un-boring are not necessarily enviable qualities.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • HardHabits says:

      Montreal is the best city in Canada North America to live in. People are just jealous.

    • florida habs says:

      lived in montreal for 34 years, still have family there and yes it is a lovely city, great culture, great food, friendly people…. great place to visit or go for a vacation. but…….when your wife has to go the grocery store / kids on the street etc…language is an issue, rich people actually are more concerned about taxes than you indicated and finally from a hockey player’s perspective the fishbowl media circus is a pain in ass. whatever way you want to cut it, montreal is not a favored place to play, it has even got to the point that French Canadians are not too thrilled to play at home, just the reality.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Sorry FlaHa, I don’t accept other people’s ‘reality’, whcih is why I never try to foist mine on others.

        ‘French Canadians’ are not one person with one opinion. Saying that ‘they’ don’t want to play at home implies that they are, which I find a bit of a weird concept. I’m sure you wouldn’t like to be lumped into a group called ‘Anglos who fled Montreal’, and have attributes designated to you.

        For every Quebecer who feels too much pressure to play in Montreal, there is at least one other who relishes the chance to do so, I would imagine, seeing as how every person responds to pressure and hometown support differently.

        And the way I’d like to cut it is like this: Montreal is the dream destination for every hockey player.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • florida habs says:

          sorry, meant French Canadians from Quebec (i.e. Briere), if I was an “Anglo that fled Montreal” I would have no trouble being in that group ( but I’m not, left for business reasons) in fact Toronto is full of them. The only reality that matters is what players think, so I will let the evidence speak for itself. My dying hope would be, Montreal is the dream destination for hockey players, you never know things can change.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Here, here, I live in Ottawa now, but grew up in Montreal. I did not leave because of politics, I left because I was promoted and transferred. I would love to move back one day.

      I do think that the Habs do have to pay more due to the taxes, however, I do believe that there are many players who would love to get the chance to play in Montreal. As much as Cole was upset after the lock out, he did openly say he loved the experience of playing in Montreal, as did Armstrong.

      There are many RFA’s that the Habs chose not to resign who wanted to stay, so I don’t think it is as big an issue as some make it out to be.

      Habfan17

    • Ron in Ottawa says:

      Finally- someone to talk some sense about this whole Quebec/Montreal nonsense. Good for you Mattyleg.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Mattyleg

      Eloquently stated and the love for your city is clearly noted.
      From the other thread I mentioned

      Montreal is a fascinating city, yet there are several considerations.

      1) Tax jurisdiction: The worst in North America
      2) Family considerations: Wife/Children. While some players may embrace the challenge, several others will not.
      Players play and travel in their cocoon.
      Wives are left with the rest including handling the winter weather…
      3) Some may wish to play for an immediate Cup contender and not one building towards it in 3-5 years
      —————–
      While the +$3M guys may care slightly less about taxes, it is always a consideration. As for offshore accounts, that can be established only with after tax money or through corporate dividend transfers.
      Once upon a time Alan Eagleson tried to set up Bobby Orr as a corporation which ended up being disallowed by the Rev. Can.

      Other factors that come into play are the organization as a whole including coaching along with player and team personality.
      Monteal is only 1 destination of 30 and perhaps more desirable than some, yet also much less desirable than several others.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Cheers M-Ron.
        I agree that taxes are a consideration, but from what I’ve seen, top-tier taxation is not that different in Montreal to most other hockey cities. If taxes were that much of a concern, there would be a line of players a mile long to play in Phoenix.

        I agree that other factors come into play when players choose teams, which is why the whole ‘XYZ doesn’t want to play in Montreal for ABC reasons’ is nonsense.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Mike D says:

      I love Montreal and am a former (and born) Montrealer. I still have lots of family there and visit frequently.

      Much of what you say is correct in regards to how great a place it is, and you left out a few things too. My friends bust my chops all the time for how often I brag about Montreal.

      That said, I wouldn’t live in Montreal again unless it went through some drastic changes, or I was given an offer I just couldn’t turn down. It hurts me to say that because I truly love the city and still consider it “home”, but it’s the truth.

      Your statement about the opinions of those who left Montreal more than 5-10 years ago has a flip-side though, which is that those who have stayed in Montreal during that time are also not seeing the advantages of what is available in other cities. I know people who left a long time ago like myself, as well as people who left within the past 2-3 years. All of us have stated we wouldn’t go back under the current conditions and are prospering more in our various locations. The many people I know who spout what a great place it is to live are people who have never left and don’t know what it’s like to live elsewhere (not saying this is you, IIRC you mentioned that you had left but came back because you missed it).

      Different strokes for different folks I guess, but I agree with you that Montreal is a very special place. It’ll always be home to me.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Cal says:

      The people of Montreal are great.
      The rest, sad to say, is shabby.
      All our roads are better suited to the horse and buggy days. The infrastructure crumbles while festivals go on. Corruption in all levels of government.
      Politicians deflecting their responsibility while pointing at shiny new (and incredibly stupid) projects. Spending tax money on frills and white elephants like the Big Owe.
      The Quebec government more worried about language than actually setting about to fix and improve things

      Sorry, Matty, but there is a lot not to like. And I’ve lived here all my life.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Sorry Cal, I’ve lived in many, many different places on three continents, and even with all the things you say, Montreal still trumps everywhere else.

        Living here all your life means that you become fixated with little things. My parents are a prime example of this. When you live elsewhere, and see how many of the big, big things are effed up (I’ve seen people beaten with chains on metro cars, hooligans running rampant through trains I’ve been on, entire regions without public toilets, houses in mountains without heating, unspeakably rude public servants….) you realize that potholes and people bickering over language are really not that big a deal.

        And there’s corruption everywhere.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Marc10 says:

      Love Montreal. As far as Canadian cities go, it’s got a great vibe… The city really lets its hair down in the summer and is a joy to hang out in from dusk til… well dusk really…

      I’m not much for partying all night, but when I do… I do so in the Sin City of the North baby. Stay thirsty my friends!

  64. HabinBurlington says:

    Interesting some slagging MB for not making more moves on veterans off of our roster yet. Seems to me the only significant trades so far are younger RFA type players.

    Once the UFA market has opened up and teams really start juggling their cap situations, I suspect then the trade market will become much more active.

    Of course MB should have been able to convince teams already to make these trades and explain to them not to bother with any UFA’s.

  65. habstrinifan says:

    Heard on TSN690 the Finnish call on a goal in the Stanley Cup. Man I gotta get me a Finnish girlfriend.

  66. Maritime Ron says:

    Hmmm….

    ” …..According to multiple sources, Bergevin also kicked the tires on St. Louis Blues left wing David Perron and Anaheim Ducks right wing Bobby Ryan, but nothing materialized.

    The Habs also received calls for center Tomas Plekanec.”

    • mksness says:

      ya, probably went like this, moen for ryan? moen is a stanely cup winner you know…

    • Mike D says:

      Source?

      I think Perron is the exactly the type of player we need right now if he can stay healthy. Wonder what the cost was?

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Marc10 says:

      I heard they had a deal for the Flyers pick but because Morin was still on the board the Flyers went with their pick. Not sure if that’s also the player MB was targeting. Habs were offering a roster player and prospect combo from what I hear to move down to the Philly pick.

      Source was 98.5FM. They also mentioned that in their discussions with personnel from other teams (GMs, agents?) the word on MB and the Habs was that they were willing to move significant pieces in their lineup to change the culture and make up of the team.

      Until this materialises we won’t know who was getting shopped or if it’s more hot air. But that’s what I heard during the draft…

      Seems like the Habs are kicking a lot of tyres if you follow Pierre Lebrun. Either way we’re one year away from a major makeover I would surmise.

  67. habstrinifan says:

    Say after me boys and girls “Vinny Vidi Vici”!

  68. habstrinifan says:

    Scenario:
    Things go really really bad in Vanc. Luongo plays like Luongo (a few really stinkaroo games) and the fans go rancid and Torts keeps giving him the “wtf” smirk and look.

    Gillis is up against the wall. Suggests to MB You take Luongo and (you fill in a player we may like).. and give us just Price. So two for 1 sort of.

    Do we bite? I mean Luongo isn’t chop liver.

    • florida habs says:

      don’t need Luongo salary, the Sedins come as 2, so who is left on the roster worth the swap?

    • Mike D says:

      F@%K NO. Unless you mean biting Gillis in the jugular for proposing such an asinine idea.

      Luongo may not be chop liver but he probably now holds the distinction of having the worst contract in the NHL (DiPietro is being bought out). You don’t trade for the worst contract in a salary cap league AND give up a valuable piece in return. Lou’s also 34 years old already and while Fucale SHOULD be a good goalie, he’ll need to prove it first before anyone considers him a legit starter/franchise goalie and replacement for Price.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • ClutchNGrab says:

      “fans go rancid”.

      – are they saying boooooo or luuuuuuu?

  69. mksness says:

    @loonie

    totally agree with you with the whole idea of MB not really sticking to his words. If he wants to rebuild he has to more out veterans for draft picks. The only reason that comes to mind is that alot of teams were over valuing their draft picks.

    Gionta: hard to trade coming off an injury and i don;t think he can be traded if he hasn’t been cleared to play

    markov: might have more trade value at the trade deadline(should have been moved at the last trade deadline)

    pleks: as much as building for the future is important, i really like him and would hate to see him go.

    Vinny: not coming here unless we pay him 6m a year… he doesn’t want to play in montreal

    • Mattyleg says:

      Yes, very well put.
      As Edmonton has proven, all you need are a bunch of young players, and no veterans.

      Also, Vinny’s desire to not play in Montreal was clearly demonstrated this weekend when he met with MB and MT in Montreal.

      Keep ‘em coming!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • florida habs says:

        he was visiting his mother and she made him go as a favor to the neighbours!

      • mksness says:

        Matty, i don’t think MB has done anything important since being named the GM. Sure he made some cultural changes, but in regards to players, i see bad contracts starting to stack up.

        Vinny is not coming to montreal, all who want him, keep dreaming.

        • florida habs says:

          Vinny is interested in term, not what we need, especially if $6m is the asking price, and why would he sign with a team that can’t compete for the cup for awhile, he has to be interested in winning.

        • Mattyleg says:

          Hahaha!
          That’s classic.
          Thanks for the insight into the workings of another person’s mind.
          I’ll have you over next time I play poker and we’ll split the winnings 50-50.

          (and I love your failsafe negativity, btw. If Vinny comes to Montreal you get to say “wow! That’s amazing, I’m glad to have been proven wrong!” and if he doesn’t you get to say “See?! I told you so!!” very/too clever.)

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      There’s a difference between tanking and rebuilding. I would like to watch a competitive team in the interim. I think Markov may have a longer future with the CH than many anticipate. I don’t think Gionta does, and I think Pleks will be traded at some point.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      mksness
      I may be wrong yet I believe a player can be traded even if injured. One thing sure is that he cannot be bought out if injured

    • JF says:

      You can’t ‘move out veterans’ for picks just like that. You have to find a trading partner. Bergevin did say he tried hard to move up in the draft, offering a package including veterans and prospects. He said the price was ‘very high,’ he was willing to pay it, but the other team decided to keep their picks. As you yourself point out, Gionta was coming off an injury so would not fetch much at this point. Markov is still an excellent powerplay specialist; and if we trade Plekanec, we have no first line centre. Who else? Gorges? He didn’t have a great season, but he’s usually reliable, so we’d have to replace him. How? Neither Beaulieu nor Tinordi is ready for a lot of responsibility. A free agent would probably cost too much. Price? Then who do we put in goal?

      There aren’t a lot of options for trades at this point. If we look like missing the playoffs, I’m sure some of the veterans will be traded at the deadline. Besides, as Mattyleg points out, look at Edmonton, with a lot of young talented players but few reliable veterans.

      • florida habs says:

        the only guy we could trade and get value ( big winger) would be Pleks but Eller would have to be the man, I would do it if we could get the right winger, and think Eller could rise to the challenge.

        • Mike D says:

          Perron is someone I would target. Not sure I’d give up Pleks for him since I don’t think Eller is fully ready to step into his shoes, but I would certainly part with DD and throw in a sweetener (reasonable) to get that deal done.

          – Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

      • mksness says:

        If you want to build by the draft that’s what you have to do. there was nothing special about the habs draft the other day.

        if you want to build via the draft you need multiple top5 picks to move forward. or ya you can hope every 5th round guy turns into a superstar.

      • Mike D says:

        I like Gio but if he’s healthy we should definitely move him at the deadline regardless of where we sit in the playoff race. Here’s hoping he has a good season and can fetch us a 1st round pick. I realize that’s not likely but would love for it to happen and I’d throw in a 3rd rounder or something if it got someone’s 1st.

        Having two 1st round picks gives you a lot of options.

        I’m a little on the fence around Markov. For sentimental reasons and the fact he still brings a lot to the table, I’d love to see him play his whole career in Montreal. MB will have to start salary discussions with him sooner than later and if his demands are reasonable re: term and dollars then I’m okay with re-signing him. If not, trade him at the deadline too. I imagine he would fetch a 1st round pick on his own if he stays healthy and put us good stats again.

        Pleky is undervalued by Habs fans IMO. He wears a lot of hats but gets chastised for not being physical or putting up a lot of points. Grit is not a part of his game and he gets a lot of defensive assignments but that doesn’t stop the criticism. Until someone is fully ready to “take over” a lot of his duties (Eller being most likely) we have to keep Pleky. He’s still pretty young and has a decent contract by today’s standards so he’ll have value for the remainder of his contract and can always be moved later without sacrificing the return.

        – Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

    • Habfan17 says:

      I will agree to a point. If MB could sign Scuderi and Fistric, then I would say, trade Markov. I do think either now, if he can get value or at the deadline, Pleks should be moved.

      I don’t think MB went back on his word. He had 8 picks in this draft, maybe he is looking to next draft to add more picks. I think to the contrary, he has stuck to his word, he did not over spend to move up and kept all but one of his picks, which he traded for a higher one mext season. He did not trade away picks for a veteran at the dealine. He signed a college UFA to add a goalie, and he has signed a bunch of prospects and brought them over to finish out the Bulldogs season to get them experience and evaluate their progress.

      How is that going back on his word?

      Habfan17

  70. nickster13 says:

    Keith Ballard on Waivers. And Clarkson going to UFA.
    Id like to see us acquire both. Shoring up our D and F, and neither will break the bank.

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • florida habs says:

      apparently the line for Clarkson is longer then Vinny’s

    • Mike D says:

      Clarkson will most definitely break the bank. His last two seasons have shown him to be exactly the type of player all teams are looking for. I’m a little weary of a player who has such a breakthrough so late in his career and wonder if NJ just happened to find the perfect recipe for him. Not sure he will replicate it elsewhere but who knows.

      If Bickell got 4mil from Chicago after stating it was his preference to stay there and only being “hot” for a short time, then Clarkson will get A LOT more than that and the competition for his services will only drive up the price more.

      Ballard hasn’t been good since he got to Vancouver and I don’t think he’s the type of Dman we’re looking for anyway.

      – Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny


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