Habs prospect Hudon wants another shot with Team Canada

Canadiens prospect Charles Hudon is looking pretty good for a fifth-round draft pick.

Hudon, a 5-foot-10, 177-pound forward, is one of two Canadiens prospects taking part in the Team Canada summer development camp in preparation for this year’s world junior tournament in Malmo, Sweden. The other is goalie Zach Fucale, the Canadiens’ second-round pick at this year’s NHL draft.

The first part of the camp, which was held at the Canadiens’ Brossard practice facility, wrapped up on Monday before the players headed to Lake Placid, N.Y., to play three exhibition games against Finland on Wednesday, Sweden on Thursday and the United States on Saturday. 

Hudon, who was the 122nd overall pick at the 2012 NHL draft, turned heads at last summer’s Canada-Russia Challenge series with a goal and two assists in four games. He went on to make Team Canada for last year’s world junior tournament, but wasn’t able to play because of a back injury.

“What happened last year was a very difficult thing for me to deal with – a huge disappointment,” Hudon told Canadiens.com. “It was so hard for me to come back to Canada with nothing hanging around my neck. Right now I’m taking things day by day; employing the same strategy that (Team Canada coach Brent) Sutter is using with our team. Take things one day at a time and don’t think about tomorrow.”

Hudon added that he still hasn’t fully recovered from the back injury that limited him to 56 games with the QMJHL’s Chicoutimi Sagueneens last season, when he posted 30-41-71 totals. He also played nine games with the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs, posting 1-2-3 totals.

“Charles will surprise a lot of people who don’t really know him,” Ryan Jankowski, the head scout for Hockey Canada, told Canadiens.com. “He’s very well regarded by the people in this program who’ve been there before me, know his abilities and know what he could bring to the table.”

(Photo by Marie-France Coallier/The Gazette)

Hudon, Fucale eye spots on Team Canada, Canadiens.com

Team Canada camp includes three games in Lake Placid, Hockeycanada.ca


  1. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …taking a break in Our visit to Banff and I see/read The Gazoote’s front page highlighting some official Habs’ phone app being developed by a Montreal developer ( http://www.montrealgazette.com/business/Habs+reaching+fans+their+phones/8759051/story.html )

    …I get a little confused about all the choices of Habs’ hockey pages, Habs’stats, Habs’ blogs, and Habs’ smart phone apps …so I come to HIO as My all-in-one Habs’ Shoppe, …where I know some of My fellow Habs’ Fanatics like Frank, and others, have already accumulated all threads worthy of interest without Myself having to go all over God’s Earth looking for them Myself

    …looks like Molson is trying to do something that He can get a part of the ‘action’ …whatever ‘action’ ($) is out there is (I don’t think One will get rich on anything like this)

    …but if the new phone app attempts a Fan blog like HIO, it will be interesting if They can make inroads in stealing the established format of The Gazette’s very successful HIO

    …I know I sure would not be interested in leaving this great community of Habs Fans, or the familiarity of it’s writers like Boone, Stubbs and Cowen

    …whatever this Mitch Joel comes up with will likely only attract the Kiddies, but not the sophisticated Fans and contributors of HIO

    …anyhoo, back to feeding the bears ! :)

    • HabFab says:

      The Canadiens already have their own blog and have for a long time. Probably the basis’s of the Hockey instead of Hab Inside Out legal threat.

  2. Sportfan says:

    Parros has already won best movember mustache lol

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • SmartDog says:

      I like what Bill said below.

      It would be better if we didn’t need Parros. But the way the league is we do – and he’s cool.

      Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

  3. doc359 says:

    Lots of Parros talk today huh?

    Not much to do with his hockey, but just learned today that he was a part of the You Can Play videos:


    Doesn’t win us any games, but I want players I can cheer for, and I can most certainly cheer for a guy that supports the amazing you can play organization

    • on2ndthought says:

      Well our mgmt team thinks character HELPS win games, and I’m inclined to agree. A talented asshole is probably better to have than a talentless saint, but team chemistry and intangibles are not irrelevant, even if immeasurable.

      “a cannonading drive”

  4. Bill says:

    Parros’s purpose is not to prevent our players from injury. It has been demonstrated countless times that enforcers do not prevent injuries to skill players.

    Nor is his purpose to prevent other teams from “taking liberties” (this phrase cracks me up with it’s connotations) with our players, because, again, enforcers have never accomplished this.

    Rather, his purpose is to allow Prust and either Moen or White to play hockey and fight within their weight class. Prust does not have to fight Orr or Thornton anymore. As long as the morons who run hockey continue to allow a role for an enforcer by allowing fighting, this is a legitimate purpose that Parros can fulfill.

    Will it cost the Habs goals and possibly games? Sure. Do I like it? Not really? But I don’t mind seeing Prust freed up a bit. Felt bad for him last year, and would rather he played hockey.

    And if we must have an enforcer, at least I like Parros. Seems like a cool guy.

    • twilighthours says:

      People are over analyzing the parros issue. Some expect too much from him (head bashing) and some expect too little (5 minutes of awkward skating per game). Some are trying too hard to quantify his contributions (you freaking stat hedz).

      It’s simple: Prust loves the parros signing. A happy Prust makes for happier galchenyuk and happier Gallagher (as shown last year). And less happy opposition.

      It’s all part of building a team, which is sometimes hard to quantify.

      • SmartDog says:

        Exactly. Parros makes Prust more valuable – and other guys more secure. End of story, that’s his role. At 1 mil for 1 year, better than not having him with no risk.

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Luke says:

      Well said Bill. I agree 100%.

      Parros has personality, seems easily likeable and, as you say, now
      Prust can worry about hockey and his weightclass. (Though something tells me he’s never been too concerned with his weightclass).

    • on2ndthought says:

      So THIS doesn’t happen:


      “a cannonading drive”

    • Sportfan says:

      That’s pretty much it having Parros around allows Prust to do more things fight people his own size and not get jumped by people like Orr or Thornton.

      And Prust does have skill and makes a huge difference on this team you want him around and safe from the big goons which is exactly what Parros is for.

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  5. frontenac1 says:

    If you think Parros is an Intimidating Enforcer ,you will be disappointed IMO. He has great reach,can change up well but his balance isn’t the best. He can hang in and a few get through. He is not an embarrasment in a fight but he aint no Gillies,Mirasty,Erskine or Jablonski. Saludos!

  6. Habsrule1 says:

    Really looking forward to the Summit.
    Even looking forward to meeting some of you!

    Nice job preparing it again Ian.

    Go Habs Go!!

    “Fans are great, but the quickest way to start losing is to listen to them.” – Sam Pollock

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Make sure you look in the corners of the room at Baton Rouge for JB, he tends to blend in with the wall coverings. :)

    • kbhab4ever says:

      I would love to go to the summit. But cannot afford it. I think before end of season Eller will be the teams #1 center.
      He was the de-facto #1 center for the last 1/4 and playoffs, only the Coach and GM did not see it . Main reason we lost to Ott. was the lost of Eller and the lost of our goalie.
      I posted on here last year just after Price said that he would rather see his son play ball because of the stess of hockey.1/2 OF SEASON I BELIEVE That his head was not on straight and that he needed help. THIS SHOULD BE THE # 1 THING THAT THE GM NEEDS TO “GET DONE” AND THAT IS GET PRICE’S FFFFFFING HEAD ON RIGTH !!!!!! A HOBBIT HOLE .GEEZ
      The Habs are done if his head is not “fixed” and making jokes that he ” the GM” would do his shopping for him IS NOT WAY TO GO ABOUT IT!!! I am worried WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK

      • SmartDog says:

        I’ve been saying Price needs a shrink since his first year.
        A shrink and more rest. He needs more games where he can just chilll and watch. He WANTS to play all the games but it’s not good for him.

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • BJ says:

      Any chance someone out there is a technician that could arrange Facetime or Skype live. Would love to be a part of it on this side of the pond.

  7. Sportfan says:

    Facebook told me to say happy birthday to Crosby, I didn’t want to because he didn’t say it to me :(

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  8. frontenac1 says:

    Some guys hate fighting in hockey,so they would naturally hate Enforcers. Makes sense. Me on the other hand, well, you know….

  9. SmartDog says:


    I would think Parros would play about 60% of the games. For the teams that are mostly about skating, we don’t need him. But that’s a minority now.

    Also I think Therrien would double shift some guys depending on how the game was going, and drop someone in Parros’ slot sometimes, which could be a good thing.

    And people keep talking about his -15. Huberdeau (who put up a lot of points) was somehow also -15. Gudbranson was -22! The team sucked.

    Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • Sportfan says:

      I see Parros playing at least 60 games maybe even more this season.

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • on2ndthought says:

      I’m not sure how much Parros will play. If Prust is on the third line (at least until Gio is back) then Gally, Prust (even Chuk and Bourque) could double shift some 4th line minutes. It is up to the coach to devise a system around Parros to make that line effective, especially in defensive coverage. Perhaps he could play as a third D down low, until Moen or White get the puck deep? That might be effective against the Lucics Malones and others. Not a lot of speed on that 4th line regardless. Ideally, Prust on the 3rd line and Gally (hate to say it) on the 4th could keep teams honest. He loves to plug, and his speed on turnovers will worry any D out there. Eventually Bournival or Dumont might add speed to the 4th line.

      “a cannonading drive”

      • on2ndthought says:

        OK, replying to my own post has to be a bad sign 😉
        What prompted me to mention dropping Parros low was to take certain physical battles away from especially Diaz, Markov, but even Gorges (or Beaulieu) who will battle, just not always successfully. It could also allow Diaz or Beaulieu (Subban, of course) to wheel out with the puck, clearing the zone.

        “a cannonading drive”

    • christophor says:

      -15 in very limited minutes against crappy competition


      -15 in 17+ minutes a night against top competition, as a rookie.

      • SmartDog says:

        Excuses. Our rookies were FIRST and FOURTH in +-

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

        • christophor says:

          They are excuses, and they’re good ones.

          Put it this way:

          If you play a lot of minutes on a bottom feeding team – i.e. Huberdeau – then chances are that you’re going to have a lower +/- than someone on that bottom feeding who plays low minutes – i.e. Parros. This is because of how bad Florida was. Montreal finished near the top of the league last year, and so the comparison with Gallagher and Galchenyuk is moot.

          Given the above, it’s at least a bit surprising that Huberdeau didn’t have a lower +/- than Parros. But +/- isn’t a great indicator, so it’s tough to say exactly how much this really means. Suffice it to say that if Parros got Huberdeau’s minutes, he’d be far below -15.

          Add to this the fact that Huberdeau played against much harder competition than Parros and that this is his first kick at the can, while Parros has been around the block.

      • Ed says:

        it is almost impossible to go -15 in 38 games and 6:30 minutes per night.

        Parros is terrible defensively, and everyone knows it, including Parros.

        • christophor says:

          I like SD’s optimism, but there’s no getting around what you’re saying here.

          • SmartDog says:

            That’s the spirit guys,

            Parros is an experiment, and it could be regrettable. But for a million bucks and one year to have a guy who can go toe-to-toe with about anyone and take the pressure of of Prust. IF they use him right, it should be worth it.

            Compared to NO PARROS and Prust fighting every second game until he gets injured.

            Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

        • HabFanSince72 says:

          Parros has always been the lowest time on ice player on his team, at roughly 6 min or 9 shifts per game.

          Let that sink in Parros fans – he plays 9 shifts per game. 9 shifts of coasting around challenging players to a fight and then skating back to his bench, out of breath.

          None of the Hawks, Bruins (yes the Bruins), Kings, Red Wings and Penguins have enforcers – players who are not good enough to play in the NHL but who fight.

          (Shawn Thornton is the Bruins’ fighter but he can actually play the game. And Pitts used to have an enforcer – they had to play Philly often – but they pawned him off on Bob Gainey.)

        • SmartDog says:

          I’m not saying it isn’t an issue… or something of concern.

          I’m saying I’d be more concerned if he was way ahead of everyone in +/- (like Markov was :).

          I’d like to know who Parros’ linemates were. And the sitautions he was used in. This is an issue. Put him out wiht Lucic and Lucic will try to avoid him and score.

          Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

    • neumann103 says:

      It will be bad news if Parros plays much more than half the games as it almost certainly means a more talented player sitting.

      The one saving grace of Parros in the lineup is this: he was only good enough to play 5.5 minutes per game with the Florida Panthers.

      The Florida freaking Panthers

      They were putting every 19 year old with a pulse out on a regular shift just to finish dead last in the NHL and couldn’t find a reason to play Parros more than 5.5 minutes.

      The silver lining? Parros in the lineup creates the opportunity to double shift some deserving players: Prust (particularly if he is on the third line), Galchenyuk, Bourque, maybe even Eller.

      Yes +/- is an overrated and crude stat and everyone on the Florida Panthers will have had appalling numbers. But I did see someone (in comments on habseyesontheprize maybe?) with a fancy stats analysis showing that Parros’s presence on the ice negatively impacted other 4th liners. So there is that.

      “Et le but!”

  10. Sportfan says:

    Could MB be making some phone calls and possibly make some more moves before the season starts? Or is this it? What ever happened to all the Morrow rumors?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  11. Ian Cobb says:

    You and I for sure Chuck. But I could probably name a lot more. Some just read it now!

  12. Chuck says:

    Some of the conversation on here last night got me to thinking… how many 1st year HI/O’ers are still posting/lurking on the site?

    Anyone but the Sens! (Check.) And Boston (Triple check.) Oh, and the Laffs, too. (Double check.)

  13. DorvalTony says:


    “Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views.”
    William F. Buckley, Jr.

  14. frontenac1 says:

    @timo. As far as I can guess amigo,its Crooks running the NHL, Malt Whiskey,and the Waiver System between Heaven and Hell.

  15. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. Thanks but you’re probably wasting your time with that amigo. Pretty sure I’m “On Waivers” with the Man upstairs.Saludos!

  16. Timo says:

    What’s topic du jour, folks?

  17. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK here’s a hockey question for you experts.

    There are many reasons for the Habs’ improvement last year but I think one of them was rolling 4 lines. Under Martin we simply did not have 12 NHL Calibre forwards most of the time (partly because of injuries). Playing three lines meant we were out of gas in the 3rd period. (In fact that year we were in the top half of teams in periods 1 and 2).

    So the question is who will be our 4th line, and how often will Parros play? (I’m assuming we agree that Parros cannot play the game of hockey and is not a genuine 4th liner)

    For sure he will play against the Leafs who roll with two goons every night. I would play him against Ottawa too. But against Buffalo say – if you drop Parros they drop Scott. If you start Parros they start Scott – the two of them fight and the game resumes. And now you’re back to your 3 line problem.

    • Ali says:

      Ideally, Prust – Moen – White although Prust is definitely capable of playing on any line. Pull out Moen for Parros against the Bruins, Leafs, Flyers, Sens, etc.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      We know you hate Parros and are fine with watching the Habs get beat up. However, there’s PPs, PKs and the chance to double shift a player on occasion. We play a big chuck of games against teams who employ 1 or 2 players like Parros.

      So really, there’s no issue.

      Plus, Therrien likes guys like Parros. it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that he bumps his minutes up a bit. Anytime Parros’ team made the playoffs, he was in the lineup. So to say he can’t play at all is a bit of a stretch.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Parros played 6.36 min/game (lowest TOI on the worst team in hockey) and managed to be -15 in 39 games. Presumably he played against the othr team’s 4th line but let’s ignore that.

        It means that Parros accounted for a -1 for every 16 minutes on the ice.

        In other words if he played a regular shift he would account for a differential of one goal to the opposition per game.

        Over an entire season that is a goal differential of -82.

        That is the difference between first place and out of the playoffs.

        • twilighthours says:

          will the other 5 players he will play with on Montreal be as poor at preventing goals as the panthers’?

        • adamkennelly says:

          arguments could be considered valid but hardly a scientific analysis -you are ignoring the fact that he played on the worst team in the league – most of the time with terrible players…he will be a very nice addition to our Habs – we have needed a guy like him for years.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Careful Hobie, this could make you susceptible for being a size queen, thus revealing some hidden issues you have with your sexuality. 😉

      • punkster says:

        Parros…great stache, character guy, knows how to fight, no impact expected on the score sheet.

        So how does he protect our skilled players or make his team mates better? No idea really but…

        I don’t have a problem with Parros as an occasional 4th line insertion if he goes right out there and takes his dunderhead counterpart out of the game immediately…and that may be the best course of action for the very minimal number of games he’ll play.

        ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • Cal says:

      Looking like Dumont/White at center, with Moen and Parros/Dumont.
      I don’t expect Parros to play more than 50 to 55 games. Same with White and Dumont. It all depends how well the line goes.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think to start the season Parros will dress for most games and play his usual career role of approx. 6 mins. per game. Other forwards will get some double shifts to take his spot on wing on the 4th line as the game goes on. Essentially we will still be playing/rolling 4 lines per game, with the difference being the individual picking up extra minutes.

      JM’s system was a complete blender of lines with only 3 lines playing predominantly. I will not agree that Parros cannot play the game of hockey, but rather will say that Parros understands exactly the role in hockey which he can play well and that which he cannot. It may not be a role in which you are comfortable with, and it may not be ideal that such a role exists in the NHL. But for now, the Wheels of Justice at the League Office have essentially mandated that teams try to hammer out their forms of league discipline as they seem destined to never take on this role dutifully.

    • Phil C says:

      The three line problem is only a concern if the other team has a legitimate 4th line. In your example, if Buffalo also plays Scott, there is no disadvantage as both teams now play with 3 lines. If they start Parros against a team like Detroit, it could be trouble. Against teams like Toronto, Ottawa, and Buffalo, it will be a level playing field.

      The Canadiens helped turn Nilan into a hockey player. It is probably too late for Parros at 33. It’s too bad they can’t find a younger enforcer that they can groom into a hockey player.

    • Bill says:

      Parros will play a lot of games, because the Habs are in the Goon Division. He will play about five minutes a game, meaning someone has to get double-shifted a bit.

      What I don’t get is what this means for what SHOULD be the fourth line of Prust, Moen, and White. One of them is going to be eating a lot of hot dogs, most likely White. But I like White and he at least is a legit NHL player.

      What this

      Full Breezer 4 Life

  18. HabinBurlington says:

    Here is a blog from Julie Robenhymer who covers a great deal of Team USA in WJC and also U.S. College Hockey. Take it for what it is worth, but some positive words are mentioned about our behemoth prospect McCarron near the bottom of the article.


    • Cal says:

      Nice to see McCarron shining. Be nice if he turns into that nasty power forward we Hab fans have lusted after.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      The beauty thing about McCarron is that he’s close in age to Galchenyuk. So three, four or five years down the road, if they both turn out the way people are expecting, Habs will be deadly down the middle with Galchenyuk taking the #1 spot and McCarron in at #2 or #3.

      We could have kick ass 1-2 punch down the middle for a decade if things work out.

      **unless I’m wrong and McCarron is not slated to play center, I think he is though?

    • Ed says:

      I did a little extra reading and Julie Robenhymer did not really impress me. Like when she suggests in another blog that Mac could play in Hamilton this season if he’s not quite ready for the Habs.

      I liked Mac’s hard work – he gets an A for effort out there.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        I have noticed her blogs for some time now as I was searching out information on our various U.S. born players when drafted. I agree with you completely, it is very limited overview statements. But in these dog days of summer, I just figured I would throw some hockey fill out there.

        There is only 1 or 2 writers/bloggers on hockeybuzz that I believe are really worth reading.

        CHeers Ed!

      • Phil C says:

        She’s pretty easy on the eyes, that should count for something. Linkedin probably wouldn’t believe it, hockey writers are supposed to look like Boone, not beauty queens.

  19. junyab says:

    Hopefully Hudon’s back injury isn’t career effecting. I’ve been hugh on him since the first time I saw him play.

    • twilighthours says:

      In my fairly limited experience in being an engineer, it seemed that the good-looking/engineery combination was indeed rare.

      We were a homely bunch.

    • bwoar says:

      Let it be known that the women in the photo is a *web* engineer, i.e. a developer. As a veteran dev, I think that puts her in even rarer company.

      It’s bloody dire that the tech industry is still in the same century as most of the people it services. People commenting against this image should be ashamed of themselves.


  20. frontenac1 says:

    @burly. So true amigo! And let’s not forget Harold Ballard who did time in the Big House down here in Kingston.Saludos!

    • bwoar says:

      Spare a curse for ol’ Gary’s bosom buddy, William “Boots” Del Biaggio as well. The BoG actively encourages criminal membership.


  21. frontenac1 says:

    The lads and I at the Saloon yesterday were pissed off that no network is showing the U-18 tourney. Why is that? Poker has better ratings?

  22. Ian Cobb says:

    Very nice to read this morning, the remissness on past years posting on HIO last night.
    Yes this is truly a great community, and getting larger all the time. Just look at how each Summit has grown.

    I have been very fortunate to have discovered so many friends over the past 7 years. Many of us meet for the 1st time throughout the year, all over N.America.
    I have had 5 families this summer, just knock on my door while on their vacation.

    Do you people remember “spats” ? He called me from Victoria B.C. wanting to know what Belleville was like to live in. We had never met before.
    He called a month ago and now has a house two streets over from me. They are a great couple.
    Another HIO friend to go to the Belleville Bulls games and watch the Hab’s with.

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

  23. frontenac1 says:

    I’m for anything that gets you through the night.Be it a Prayer,Pain Killers,or a Bottle of Single Malt.

  24. ClutchNGrab says:

    About PED, the question is how much do we really want to know what an athlete takes or does to compete, legal or illegal. A tweet from a woman volleyball player, Clara Hanna keeps coming up in my head. Her tweet was:

    “Special thanks to Vitamin Ibuprofen for keeping us in the game.”


    Again, we’re talking women’s volleyball here. Ibuprofen use in sports has long been reported, its negative impact on health too:


    So the process is in place, taking a substance that makes you feel better, perform better even if it can have consequences on your health. The media however tries to frame it has a battle between the good athletes and the bad ones. The ones that are clean vs the one that are not.

    This is a grey area for me, when you hear Pacioretty is playing with a broken rib or you see Eller limp before a game but still plays, do you ask yourself what did they take?

    It’s hard to condemn a player that gets booed the second his career is declining but acclaimed without questions when he performs, especially knowing how many sacrifices he/she made to his/her health with legit authorized “treatments”.

    That, of course, doesn’t include Lance Armstrong, suing people to preserve a reputation has nothing to do with performance.

  25. HabinBurlington says:

    Former Toronto Star Sports Media reporter Chris Zelkovich with an article for Yahoo on why CBC may indeed keep HNIC.

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      One of his points is that a lot of people don’t have cable to watch TSN. I wonder how many people don’t have access to satellite TV?

    • Cal says:

      Zelkovich’s point makes no sense. People are watching hockey all kinds of ways now. And, to be blunt, CTV would love having the playoffs. TV has evolved into “events”. In the era of 10million US viewers making a show a “hit”, the CBC continuing HNIC would be a travesty. HNIC sucks rocks. It has been so since Cherry showed up, replacing knowledgeable hockey people like Howie Meeker.

  26. Sportfan says:

    So from what TSN is telling me about the Greztky trade 25 years later, is that its his fault salaries are so high and that there are so many teams and why we know the players salaries lol.

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I think I would rephrase that as, Bruce McNall’s fault. But what do you expect from a convicted felon, who is now glorified as some saviour. Perhaps someone should interview the parents of all the young boys he paid a pittance to, in order to do tankless dives in dangerous waters to retrieve some of the jewels he acquired to build his wealth.

      Guy is a crook, and I can’t stand that he is now presented as an honourable past owner in the NHL. Mind you, there is a long list of shady/criminal owners in the NHL, including the schweinhund whom he made the Gretzky trade with.

  27. Ian Cobb says:

    Some weird posts this morning! most of them are over my head, I am short and not the sharpest tac on the floor, but are we that starved for some ice time?
    Anyway, I hope someone can come up with a decent conversation here this morning, at least a simple one for me!
    Enjoy your day!

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah it’s over my head as well Ian, and you know I am a little taller than you my friend. How is the ticket process going with the Habs? Did you have all of us charted from last year? Wondering if we will be sitting beside roughly the same people as you had organized last year.

      Obviously, however you dole them out I will be completely satisfied as you have a large task ahead of you. Thanks again my friend.

  28. thebonscott says:

    so we got bourque, holland, and fucale for cammalleri, maybe gauthier wasn’t a complete idiot.

    Habs Fanatic Since 1984

  29. habs11s says:

    I was just reminded that it will be the ‘Arizona Coyotes’ this upcoming season.. I hate that name already…

    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

  30. JohnBellyful says:

    Now for another edition of Quandaries, the game show that asks, What would you do in these circumstances?
    Here are your three scenarios, or trilemmas:

    Scenario One:
    Your Canadiens are in the Stanley Cup final, and the series is tied 1-1, with both games going into overtime. It’s obvious the championship is going to go the limit, the teams are that evenly matched.
    You’re the captain of the team and as the players are leaving the dressing room for the start of the third game, you overhear your coach tell the team’s enforcer he needs “to take out” the opponent’s’ star player, who is leading the playoffs in scoring and has collected three goals and two assists in the first two games.
    He’s also your best friend since the two of you played junior hockey together.
    Halfway through the first period period, the star player is rammed into the boards from behind by the enforcer, and is injured so badly he’s knocked out of the series.
    What do you say to the coach in the first intermission?
    What do you tell reporters after the game when asked for an opinion on your teammate’s vicious hit?
    What do you tell your best friend in the off-season after he’s been told his career is over?

    Scenario Two:
    After an up-and-down career, you’ve just completed a fabulous season that has sent your stock soaring as you head into free agency. But before you’re in a position to sign a lucrative contract, the physician you saw privately about some embarrassing health condition tells you the special tests he ordered turned up evidence of a rare disease. The prognosis is 75-25 that you will lose the use of your lower limbs within two years. Routine physicals and related tests will not detect the presence of the disease.
    Do you reveal all to the team that’s prepared to sign you long-term, or remain silent in order to clinch a five-year, $35.5 million deal with a club that’s counting on you to be the difference in a Stanley Cup run?

    Scenario Three:
    Your crazy brother-in-law isn’t so crazy after all, having invented a spray that, when applied to a hockey stick, enables a player to make shots curve and dip, by putting a special spin on the puck that goalies find almost impossible to stop.
    Do you thank your brother-in-law profusely and have him over to the house more often, or toss him out, telling him never to darken your doorstep again with schemes that give you an unfair advantage over other players?

    • thebonscott says:

      Scenario one
      Enjoy your stanley cup victory at your friends expense.
      Scenario 2
      Sign the contact, take out a bruin before you retire, blame it on the mysterious disease.
      scenario 3
      Duhhh, use the spray.

      Habs Fanatic Since 1984

    • Cal says:

      Scenario 1: I keep my mouth shut and await Cup bonus. I resolve never to talk to my “best friend” again.

      Scenario 2: I refer to my “The Prosperous Cheater” handbook. I keep my mouth shut and sign the new long term deal.

      Scenario 3: I toss my brother-in-law out on his keister. He’s a bleeping ABC (Anyone But Canadiens) fan anyway.

      Kidding, folks! 😉

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Scenario One: Since they did it to our star player a couple games ago, unfortunately it’s a war, he should of saw it coming, better luck next year.

      Scenario two: Keep quiet and hope the 25% pulls through.

      Scenario three: Impossible.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      I bet you had one of those electric-shock machine toys when you were little: “Who can take the most?”

      One — too late to say anything except expressions of concern for the injured player (which will draw scorn, of course). The time to speak was in between the coach’s instructions and the hit.

      Two — (this response will reveal why being a crap skater was not the ONLY reason I didn’t have an NHL career): if I were able to resist all the persuasion techniques of my agent, I would endeavour to create a contract which allowed the club to release me without penalty should my limbs cease to function. (And as soon as I felt that coming on I would circle the next Bruins game on the calendar and prepare myself to settle some old scores!)

      Three — meh. You didn’t say I couldn’t be the league’s leading scorer! What do I need of gimmicks!

      Imaginative, JB, but can I have my fingers back now, please!

    • habstrinifan says:

      Hi John.. great questions. Hope you dont mind me answering in two fashions.. both seriously and with an attempt at humour.

      Question 2:
      Answer: Tried to give it much thought to come up with ‘honourable’ answer. But just couldnt. I will hide the facts from the team to get the big fat contract. I will justify it to myself by saying it’s just rewards for my efforts and this bad news was not my doing. I would also hire the team’s enforcer from question 1 to take out the doctor.. just in case he’s one of those who is a real doctor in real life who always wanted to play a doctor on TV.. a publicity hound.

      Question 1: Tried to avoid question but finally faced it and actually came up with an answer which I feel is true and would have allowed me to live with myself. Meaning I would do this without beating myself up .
      I would say to the reporters and everyone. “Unfortunate and I feel for my friend.. but it was a “hockey play”. And in the context of hockey I wouldnt find it impossible to ‘sell’ that explanation to my friend and myself. At the end of the season I would want to put the episode and experience behind me.. move on to another team (away from that coach and group of guys) and maybe make public statements about ‘changing the way we play the game’. I hope I am not getting too serious with these answers but that’s how I would respond if really faced with tis situation… kinda sad I know but…

      Question 3 is actally quite easy. Manufacturers make enhancements to equipment and players do little tricks (like taping in a certain way)all the time to make the equipment ‘more responsive’ to the ‘skill and imagination and daring’ of the user. It is the user’s gift for the game that eventually determines the superlatives he gets from the equipment. And part of his skill is his mindest. Can you see Plekanec for instance being Kovalev with any equipment.. and vice-versa… can you see Kovalev being as ‘consistent’ as Plekanec with any equipment.
      As long as the stated rules of the game are not violated.. I see no ‘cheating’.
      My brother-in-law can come over anytime and grease my stick .. it’s the least he can do for the man who makes his sister happy.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Who are you? What happened to JB, these questions are far to serious (perhaps not 3, obviously you heard JB’s real thoughts through the duct tape you covered his mouth with during kidnapping).

      Until I see evidence that JB is alive and well, I cannot answer.

    • AndyF says:

      Scenrio 3 sounds like this movie…

      Saw it when I was a kid.

    • CharlieHodgeFan says:

      #1 If I were in the NHL, I’m afraid this quandary would be familiar. I had a friend who quit a junior team because he was told to be the goon to do that. He refused, and he was gone. So I think I might have a different perspective if I were a player, and I would say all the usual meaningless things.
      #2 I would take the money and run, for two years. There’s a 25% chance I dodge the bullet, and I am indestructable if I’m young enough to be in the NHL. If not, well, very few rich people have earned their money. I’ll join the club.
      #3 I already have 5 years at 35.5 million, and my legs are falling off. All these chemimagical short cut sprays seem to eventually affect a guy’s testicles, and I’m going to be rich and retired at 35. I’ll introduce David Desharnais to my brother in law, so you guys will get off his back, and I’ll go buy a beer for my old friend from the Bruins.

  31. Dunboyne Mike says:

    A “You Might Also Like” link only 48 hours old (oops, I forgot to double check that it was Aug 5 THIS YEAR!).

    And it’s about the Leafs’ possible need to trade Phaneuf at the deadline.

    One of the ensuing posters argues that the significance of the Norris Trophy has been besmirched because Phaneuf wasn’t in the running.


  32. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning HF72.
    I engaged you on Dawkins, more or less conceding that “shrill” is probably not the correct word, but having a wider go at him.

    What will happen to science debates, book recommendations, and now theological critique and stories from the HIO archives once the season begins?


    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Good morning DBM,

      Since it would be in bad taste to discuss religion (or at any rate any religion other than the Habs) here, let me re-couch your and VH’s oft-heard arguments in hockey terms, to demonstrate their absurdity.

      Say I decided to go off on an anti-Bruins rant. It’s a nice day and I’m in that kind of mood.

      If someone came along and said – but wait you can’t criticize the Bruins because you don’t know coach Julien’s system. You don’t know how he matches lines, or who he chooses for his 2nd wave of the powerplay. You don’t know the specific details of the Boston Bruins. So how can you criticize the Bruins?

      Crazy, right?

      Or if someone said: “teach the controversy”. There are good things about the Montreal Canadiens but there are also good things about the Boston Bruins. Teach the controversy!

      Patently absurd, right?

      • SmartDog says:

        The Noodly One has all the answers: http://www.venganza.org/

        Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Help me here, 72, because although I’ve been up several hours longer than you, I’m not sure I get you (while noting your quaint attachment to the genteel notion that religion should not be discussed in mixed company or at dinner or, perhaps, on hockey blogs in the off-season!).

        I’m seeing self-inflicted wounds in your feet (which is why I suspect I’m probably misreading your dainty metaphor).

        What it looks like: HF ranting about the Bruins = Dawkins ranting about religion. HF doesn’t need knowledge of Julien’s thinking in order to rant on the Bruins = Dawkins doesn’t need theological knowledge to rant on religion.

        As a hockey fan blogging, HF is at liberty to say anything he wants about the Bruins, with or without evidence, in blissful ignorance of mitigating factors that might change your opinion. We all do it.

        But unless there’s something you haven’t revealed yet (or I missed), you are not a serious professional commentator on hockey, someone paid to be informed, balanced and impartial.

        Dawkins, on the other hand, has set himself up as a serious commentator on religion. The reason the holes in his arguments are so embarrassing to other atheists is because they all demonstrate how superficial is his understanding of what he’s attacking.

        He is, for example, the equivalent of posters here who suggested that Pacioretty had gone “soft” (was the word) and had a poor season, overlooking the fact that he led the team in goals, notwithstanding having his appendix out, and arguably still re-finding his game after the Chara hit. We cringe at uninformed opinion like that (as others cringe at mine, of course).

        In sum, if you’re equating Dawkins to a fan ranting, I’m with you.

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          Dawkins doesn’t embarrass this “other atheist.” Perhaps I am wrong, but I think people react more to what they think he is about rather than what he is about.

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          I’ve never read anything in Dawkins’ dismissal of religion that wasn’t sensibly presented, but I hate his writing. I say that as someone who has read most of his popular work. He is not a nice guy – his humour seems borrowed and forced, and he is a snob. He’s not in the league of the late Stephen Jay Gould, or someone like Zimmer, or Wilson when it comes an intelligent exposition of ideas on biology. He would be a crappy HIO poster.
          As a science writer, he has a chip on his shoulder, because he isn’t a fun writer. He has the greatest subject on Earth, and he doesn’t do it justice. He squabbles too much, and there are better writers in the field.
          Sometimes he can’t see the trees for the bark, and the forest is way out there in his writing. He’s his own worst enemy. I wouldn’t call him shrill.
          He’s a Berkshir…no I can’t go there.

          He doesn’t embarass me. He’s right, most of the time. I just see him as a crappy ambassador for beautiful ideas.

          Theology? What does Theo Fleury have to do with the Habs?

  33. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning all.

    Absolutely loving the HIO archival digs and anecdotes. I was a blog virgin before HIO and remain monogamous*. Therefore, never having tasted other fruit, I have to ask: is HIO in any way exceptional or is it just an example of what a good blog should be?

    I still feel like such a newbie having only joined at the start of the 2010 playoffs (no mystery as to why that was the moment in recent Habs history that a guy might lose his virginity!). I had often visited to read for several seasons before that, usually during or after listening to a game on CJAD via web radio. I would google something like “Koivu injury”, click a link that had the word “Gazette” in it, and find myself on HIO and thinking, “Hey I don’t want to read amateurs, I want journalists.”

    Gradually realised what I was missing but didn’t post because of my nervous commitment to blog chastity. Even after joining I couldn’t shake nagging doubts that the Summit might actually be an elaborate cover for a Satan’s Choice or Neo-Nazi rally. I guess I won’t really know until I get to one. (Sorry, Ian!).

    Now I’m over-committed, recognising that I have to set some anti-addiction measures in place! I am dying to meet everyone and have to restrain myself when an anti-social poster is rude to one of the regulars (the only time I really let off the safety catch I spent a whole day lampooning someone — they deserved it, but I regretted it! I remember Burly pithily commenting, “Somebody’s been busy today.”!).

    Congrats to the Gazette and the early HIO pioneers who recounted their reminiscences last night.

    (*Curiously, but not without precedent in this world, I feel I may move rapidly from virgin to whore, my only inclination towards other blogs being to join ones for other teams, notably the Bruins and Leafs. Any time a committed but rational Bruins or Leafs fan has popped up on HIO I have enjoyed it. They usually receive — shall we say — a mixed welcome and tend not to stay long).

    Best wishes for a great day from Ireland where it would give me the greatest pleasure to buy a pint of Guinness for anyone passing through.

    • Cal says:

      Reading your post reminds me of the days before HIO, when all was bleak and the chatter unrefined…Nahhh!
      I’ve been here since the site began with the now unlawful word Habs at the front end (ironic that the Out is what the Canadiens’ lawyers wanted!). It has always been a fun place, but it has also been a place of name-calling and attempted browbeating. I try to take it all in stride and I slide in controversial posts to get people replying (I know, I know, but I’ve a nasty Habit!).
      No other blog is like this one. People share great literature and recipes, as well as interesting tidbits about their encounters with all things Hab. It is a great place to be for all Hab fans.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Morning Cal and and good afternoon Mike! Talk about two of my favorite posters. :)
      I was a long time reader before I took the plunge and joined. A decision that has since offered up many friendships that otherwise I would have missed out on. Although I am still a Summit virgin, I’ve had the pleasure of meeting some tremendous people who are now dear friends. I can’t wait for the Summit in October. There have been sad days here as well but I’d prefer to keep things positive so early in the day.
      Mike, I remember that day you speak of. You are so correct that the person deserved it. It was also one of the funniest posting days outside of Bellyfull I can remember.
      Enjoy the day!

      • Cal says:

        Hey, Jim.
        The dog days of August bring all kinds of subjects into play, especially here at HIO. The level of conversation varies, but there’s always a lot of laughs. It’s why I keep coming back. I’m a Homing Hio-er.

        • CharlieHodgeFan says:

          As weird as this sounds, the site sometimes goes down the pipes when there’s actual hockey.
          That’s when the trolls, boasters, brawlers, begrudgers and hockey-goths take over. Right now, it’s usually a fun read – not like when Price has a bad game.
          I enjoy the forum in July and August. Dog days? Smart Dog days…

          • Habfan10912 says:

            Was thinking the same thing, Charlie. Good morning BTW. I actually refuse to log in during games. I don’t have the stomach to read some of the post. CHeers.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Ha! I log in during games but don’t comment! But it’s because I’m too slow! (I do enjoy Boone’s liveblog — fan and journalist at once, eloquent at high-speed).

          • twilighthours says:

            You got it, CHF. Hockey isn’t so interesting that it needs to be discussed 24 hrs/day, year round.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You have a way with describing things Mike, I remember how long I would read this site, but wouldn’t log in and join as I have always been anti-facebook. However, I suppose this is my facebook page, and like you this is the only internet posting I do.

      I feel as though I may owe you an apology for that pithily comment….but I just can’t do it! :) It was very entertaining reading your posts that day.

      Morning Mike, Cal, Jim, Have a great day!

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        You owe me no such thing! It read as a neutral comment. I was already lamenting my loss of self-control. And it was relentless, wasn’t it?!

        (Curiously, that poster has much to offer imo. Has a long memory and is good on good days. But on bad days it’s as though he relishes showing contempt for all and sundry. Having struck back (incessantly!) once, I now assume there’s stuff going on there and try to focus on his good stuff).

        Another monogamous poster! Maybe you’ll join me some day in a reckless sally onto a Bruins blog! I think I was probably reading here at the time of Richard Zednik’s appalling injury. Could be the earliest I can recall.


  34. A. Berke says:

    testing for image

    Ali B.

  35. A. Berke says:


    Ali B.

  36. A. Berke says:

    Special shout out to: Punkster, Timo & Da Hema

    Thanks guys for yr comments. Like I said I’ve been watching from the sidelines for quite a while but I think I like to rejoin the fray again soon; will be on vacation next week though.
    Also maybe it may be helpful to get an avatar too :)

    Anways, good to be talking again to old (and new found) friends. Hello Ian!
    Cheers everyone.

    Ali B.

  37. SmartDog says:

    Everyone who is reading this but doesn’t have an account say AYE!

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  38. Da Hema says:


    I am trying to recollect which websites I’ve visited that would prompt HIO’s brainbot to claim I would be interested in reading about 30 ugly celebrities without their makeup….

  39. Jedah96 says:

    Been visiting this site every day for 3 years now finally created an account 😛

  40. Habfan10912 says:

    Well lookie here. Speaking of the creep………..

  41. thebonscott says:

    hudon still hasn’t recovered fully from back injury last xmas, that doesn’t sound good

    Habs Fanatic Since 1984

  42. punkster says:

    I remember, way back on HI/O///way back…

    A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away….


    Episode IV

    A New Hope

    It is a period of rebuilding. Rebel posters, striking from a secret library in Poughkeepsie,
    have won their first victory against the evil Gazette Empire.

    During the Water Pistol Fight at the OK Corral, Rebel spies managed to steal secret plans to the Gazette’s ultimate weapon,
    the Dave Stubbs cell phone directory, an annotative 3 ring binder with enough power to destroy an entire planet.

    Pursued by the Gazette’s sinister agents, HardHabits races home aboard his Schwinn,
    custodian of the stolen directory that can save his HI/O compatriots and restore freedom to the interwebs…


    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  43. habs11s says:

    Any reason why TSN fails to broadcast the Ivan Hlinka tourney?


    “How would you like a job where when you made a mistake, a big red light goes on and 18,000 people boo?” -Jacques Plante

    • savethepuck says:

      I’m not too happy about that either. I was sure TSN would cover it.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  44. JohninTruro says:

    The way Hudon played early on for Canada before the tourney got going, and what he brings to the table is EXACTLY what Canada missed and really hurt them in the WJC last year.

  45. HabFanSince72 says:

    Anyway, I think Briere will be a nice surprise and Parros will need a jumbo sized pack of Tylenol to get through the season.

    • SmartDog says:

      I like your optimism re. Briere. That could also be optimism re. Parros. Or not. But I think if our D can get it’s act together, we could surprise people like we did last year. (Until it was the fans who were surprised when the bottom fell out… but you know… )

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  46. HabFanSince72 says:

    That python incident was troubling. I’m sticking to Matlab from now on.

    For you geeks.

    • twilighthours says:

      That was pretty geeky. Can’t laugh about kids getting strangled though.

      • Bill says:

        Hard to escape that story in the news today out here, eh? I was in a cab in Dartmouth and the cabbie would not shut about it no matter how much i explained I didn’t want to think about it.

        Full Breezer 4 Life

        • SmartDog says:

          About as disturbing as it gets. Makes me look more closely at where my kids spend the night. For better or worse.

          Can you smell what the dog is sniffin?

          • NB Hab says:

            As a resident of Campbellton and someone who taught one of the two victims I can tell you that the owner of the python should spend some time in jail. As someone who has also lost a child I know what this poor mother is going through. The family is in all our prayers.

  47. Mark C says:

    I’m sure Frank posted the link, but when Vail, Andrighetto, and Nattinen aren’t consensually considered within a teams top-25 under 25, you know the system is in good shape.


  48. frontenac1 says:

    @fishoutofwater. I heard one of my favourite bands, The Cure was there. How were they? My son is going up to Heavy Metal Mtl. this weekend again for the third time. One of the Greatest Cities in North America for sure. Saludos!

  49. Cal says:

    Because it is August and he’s a fresh thread, Here’s Hudon!

  50. FishOutOfWater says:

    Now that I’m back in Ontario. i really miss Montreal. Osheaga was amazing and absolutely the best weekend of my life.
    The City, The Music, The Food, The Metro, The Girls, The Booze. The St Laurence. The Cab Drivers, The Accents, The Tourists.

    I hope I saw some of you around the city and at the festival.
    I am really happy my first Mtl experience was what it was.
    I wouldnt change a thing.


    • Hobie Hansen says:

      That my friend is why Montreal, even with all the politics and BS, is still Canada’s, and one the world’s best cities, to either visit or live in. The only reason I don’t live there anymore is because my French is weak and my liver would probably explode!

  51. frontenac1 says:

    @chris. Sorry to hear that. I’ve had a few orthopedic surgeries due to high school football and stupid behaviour but nothing with the spine. Trust your surgeons, they due amazing work. All the best amigo.

    • Chris says:

      No surgeries in the forecast right now. I haven’t had any bad flare-ups for about 3 years now. Amazingly, tennis has been fantastic for my back. You would think the impact and twisting would be murder, but playing 1-2 times per week has coincided with no attacks.

      • SmartDog says:

        Unlike other injuries, the back needs action to heal – and certainly to stay strong and healthy. Or so my doc told me 20 years ago.

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  52. HabFanSince72 says:

    OK I thought of another kind-of science misconception.

    “Richard Dawkins is shrill.”

    That one bugs me because (1) he’s the opposite of shrill (more donnish really) and (2) the Dawk rawks.

    • twilighthours says:

      What about Richard Dawson? Or Stephen Hawking? Or Darryl Dawkins?

    • Chris says:

      I’m not a big fan of Dawkins, the public persona. He’s unquestionably a good scientist, but his Scientism side is grating.

      Militant atheists are as obnoxious and annoying as the people they mock.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        This is a complete misconception. If Dawkins is militant about anything it’s about science, and especially about the greatest scientist who ever lived, Charles Darwin.

        When ignoramii piss all over the rich and wonderful science of evolution he fights back. But he is never less than polite.

        • Chris says:

          I disagree. I’ve seen interviews with Dawkins where he has been very aggressively attacking religion.

          I am not religious. I’m pretty certain that evolution is pretty much unassailable at this point, so I agree with Dawkins when he takes up that particular fight.

          But he has exhibited no trouble whatsoever in going out of his way to attack religion and faith, attempting to use science to rationalize that stance. As a scientist, he must realize that science and religion have nothing to do with one another. Science can not test for or measure faith, therefore faith is not a question that can be addressed using science. This does not, contrary to the belief of many atheists, make believers wrong. It simply means that the discussion of the merits of faith and belief in deities lies outside the purview of science.

          There are many other things that are not testable and therefore unscientific. Some of these, such as what existed before the Big Bang, are not testable and therefore perhaps should be viewed as skeptically by the scientific community as matters of faith currently are. A leading example in the physics community was string theory, which was until very recently considered untestable while simultaneously being viewed as a leading framework in theoretical physics. More recently, there are potential tests that might help in making string theory more testable, putting it onto a stronger scientific grounding whereas it has been largely a matter of scientific faith until very recently.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      When he’s expounding on religion he can get quite shrill.

      • HabFanSince72 says:

        Not true. There are millions of videos of him on youtube. Find one that could be described by an honest observer as shrill.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          I have no reason to doubt you’ve checked out all the millions!
          However, I have a documentary I show in class which explores evolution/creation from several angles, notably fundamentalist creationism, “creative design”, and of course Darwin.

          Dawkins appears a few times, speaking from his back garden. Interestingly, the kids tend to agree with what he says but dislike something in his manner.

          Perhaps the word “shrill” is an extrapolation based on where I think he’d quickly arrive if his interviewer pushed him — I’ll concede that — but, in these interviews at least, there is that kind of prickly condescension and superiority that puts off as many people as it attracts. To me it feels as though those characteristics are on the edge of “shrill”, and that he would cross the border if pushed.

          More generally imo, there are critical commentators on religion who are far more incisive and challenging than Dawkins. Though eloquent and passionate and without question the one with the greatest celebrity profile and most books sold, and entertaining when shooting fundamentalist fish in the barrel with Darwinian ammunition, Dawkins does not have enough understanding of the thing he hates so much — all religion — to be able to critique it in a valuable way. Provocative, yes, but woefully porous.

          I take it you’re a fan and I don’t want to appear to be attempting to slam you, only Dawkins. I’d prefer him to stick to science.

        • VancouverHab says:

          HFS71: Don’t make me give chapter & verse on Dawkins–shrill is the softest euphemism for his polemic character. You can find for yourself (but I respect you enough to expect that you already know) devout atheists who squirm over Dawkins’ waspish spitefulness on divinity (a topic of which he is not only utterly ignorant but proudly self-justificatory of his utter ignorance.)

          You can agree with Dawkins’ ontology–no problem. But if can’t touch pitch and be undefiled: you can as well deny that Keith Olbermann is a no-nothing loudmouth as deny that Dawkins’ is a malevolent shrew on matters divine.

          And Darwin the GREATEST scientist? That sounds like a fanboi Tweet. Better to be less hagiographical and say that he is ONE OF science’s greats…


  53. donmarco says:

    Review of US Junior camp. McCarron considered a standout. Pipeline is filling. Sucks for Vail though.


  54. frontenac1 says:

    Juice , Ceratine, Seaweed, whatever. Just stick to Alberta AAA beef and good Booze amigos. You only go around once in life and if you play your cards right ,Once is Enough. Saludos!

  55. Maritime Ron says:

    A warm hello from New England, and the Vermont mountains in particular. It has been decades, yet the beauty of this region is still incredible!

    Since I am a relative newbie, I was just wondering when this site started up – who were some of the first posters – do they still post today – what was the best of times/the worst of times – any memorable threads over the years?

    • SmartDog says:

      I have been posting here for SIX years.

      I know Ian was here before me, Chris I think…. Hard Habits I think… Front? Punkster? Timo? Little Jimmy?

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • Da Hema says:

        Check out my bio! My wife says I devote too much time to this site and Evony….

        • twilighthours says:

          What is Envoy? The first page of a Google search left it inconclusive.

          • Da Hema says:

            Twi: try “Evony,” not “envoy.”

          • twilighthours says:

            Ah yes. Got it.

            And I see where your wife is coming from.

          • Da Hema says:

            My wife was displeased with the time I once spent on Evony. But one experience really stood out for me. I was in an Evony alliance that had 90 of the most humorous members, and of course there are no moderators. One of the members revealed he was in the final stages of cancer, and told us he could no longer play but would watch us all do so. Sadly, his wife informed us within a week he passed away. However, she sent all of us an email thanking everyone in the alliance for making him laugh so much during his final weeks. I cried when I read her email, and truly realized that communities can take remarkable forms.

      • Ron says:

        Habfab, myself and the many names used by yeats are all still here from close to the start as well. Robert L still comes on. Many, many more.

      • Chris says:

        Not me…I was reading from the get-go, but I took a while (a few months) to start posting.

        The current profiles were created when the site moved over to this format 6 years ago in October/November. But it had been going for at least one year before that, possibly two.

        • Bill J says:

          I remember when you took hiatus form the site, I’m glad you returned… :)

          Go Habs Go!

          • HabFab says:

            Back in those days we had e-mail addresses in our avatar data… remember. I sent off this long well meaning e-mail to Chris trying to change his mind. Immediately after I hit send, changed my mind and sent a short “F… it! Do what you feel is best for you at all times!” :)

          • Chris says:

            It is unfortunate that you can’t send private messages sometimes through the site like you used to, but some of the abuses that occurred around that time led to the e-mail thing having to be removed.

          • HabFab says:

            A lot of the regulars exchange e-mails at the summits and keep a back door exchange going.

          • Chris says:

            I have a few, but I don’t attend the summits so you don’t meet the new people. Ah well…I’m not going anywhere, so this site is good enough. :)

      • Bill J says:

        Yeah me too, about 5.5 years since site moved. I Was here about 5-6 months before the site moved over also…

        Best times on this site? When it was called the other name 😀

        Go Habs Go!

        • twilighthours says:

          Bugs’ amazing rants were the best times for me. And JT’s between-period recaps.

          • Bill J says:

            OMG, Bugs!!! I had nearly forgotten about him.

            Tony242 was entertaining at first, but enough was enough…:s

            Go Habs Go!

          • Chris says:

            While I am generally against naming favourite posters, I really enjoyed Bugs. He got under a lot of people’s skin, but his command of English was fantastic. I learned a lot of new words from that guy.

            I thought I spotted him on another forum (whoever it was sure wrote like Bugs!) but then he disappeared. Wish he would come back here.

            JT’s between-period recaps were fantastic as well. She’s an unbelievably witty writer.

          • twilighthours says:

            Bugs and Yeats (when he was in a mood) were the best at ripping people in a funny, not too harsh way. Classic.

          • Da Hema says:

            I truly miss Bugs. He was the most unique poster I ever read. I wish he would return….

      • Timo says:

        I don’t know. How to account for my time in the exile? Quite frankly I don’t think it’s been 6 years for me. Probably 4, maybe 5? 6 years?! Has it been THAT long? Man, I have no life. Bloody Boone and his old man tantrums.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Hi Ron. Enjoy your trip. Beautiful area indeed. Great question. What a nice article for the Gazette to do during this “,slow” season.
      CHeers and enjoy.

    • HabFab says:

      Click on the avatar and it will tell you how long that person has been posting. The oldest you will find are November 2007. The original website was created in September 2006 and the November 2007 date was the first Make over and all posters had to resign up. There have been at least two since and there are still many original posters left.

    • Da Hema says:

      Good question about the quality of this site over time. I was one of the very first people to sign up. What impresses me about this forum is the number of articulate, erudite, knowledgeable, and witty posters. I always thought Mike Boone was the key to attracting interesting folks to this site, especially with his game day comments. I find the debates here engaging, and I have benefitted from having my own comments subjected to critical scrutiny. There has been some ebb and flow, but I keep coming to this site. It is certainly above quality in relation to other fan forums, in my opinion.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Group hug.

    • savethepuck says:

      I joined in February 2010, right in the middle of the The Great War ( Price vs Halak ). Those were good times. I may be exaggerating, but I think it took up about 50% of the discussion on here. Other topics were the Smurfs and JM’s boring system.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

      • Chris says:

        Price, Smurfs, boring hockey…

        Well, one change out of three isn’t bad, right?

        (Don’t forget the need for French coaches as an endless topic.)

        • savethepuck says:

          I guess this team can’t be accused of boring hockey for sure. But people like that we are now top 5 in scoring and now complain about goals against.

          “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
          Carey Price

    • A. Berke says:

      I started at the beginning of 2007 and I believe the HIO itself had started shortly before that.
      I have been following HIO every day but it has been awhile since I’ve posted anything.
      2007 was also the very first year of the Summit and I still have the T-shirt given away by the Gazette (ahem Dave, cough, cough).

      Ali B.

    • newbrunswick troy says:

      welcome aboard ! hope your a good old negative lad like the rest of us

    • bigjames says:

      I’ve been here for ages although don’t post much. I live in hong kong, 13 hours time difference (in the winter) and the games are on in the morning while I am at work. so it is hard to get into the flow of game posting, as I do need to be focusing on work. (try to have the game on tho!)

      for those of us living very far away, this site is a crucial link. and funny sometimes! I went to the first (I think it was the first) summit and met ian, the teacher and a few others. I remember it was an awesome event but the bar we went to after the game was so loud that I had to leave after a while. was just lucky to be in town.

      I remember there was a guy I guess called Andrew who changed his handle along with his fav player of the time. something possessed him to be abi-drew at the start (after that stud goalie david aebisher) and then pleky-drew.

      I agree bugs was a classic and a superb writer.

  56. commandant says:

    A look at the Dallas Stars Prospects.


    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

    • christophor says:

      90% of your comments are links to your site. I don’t think that’s a reasonable balance.

      This has nothing to do with whether or not you’re linking to quality material. I could love your site and still be making this point.

      It just comes off as whorish.

  57. Mark C says:

    Hudon is a stud. My vote as the Habs most underrated prospect. Which is a hard thing to be.

    Sucks seeing Ryan Jankowski referred as head scout of Canada. Good for him though.

  58. SmartDog says:

    Any medical brainiacs here?

    Why does Hudon say he’s not over his back injury when he’s played 45 games?

    What kind of injury did he have? What sort of injury might take that long to recover from? And while you’re at it – why do I have this pain below my right shoulder blade?

    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • on2ndthought says:

      I can only think back spasms. He really only missed a week, no surgery (if it was a disk). It may be chronic (ask Mario Lemieux).
      Check out the picture of him buying a Wrangler, he looks tiny! (the dealer is 7 foot and built)


      “a cannonading drive”

    • Chris says:

      It could be a herniated disc. I have two of them in my lower back, and you can largely manage it with stretching and exercise (pilates is fantastic for all the men out there).

      When it flares up, it usually leads to a nasty bout of sciatica for two to three weeks, but the rest of the time it just causes me some stiffness that goes away within a couple of days. With youth and the massages, hot tubs and all the other treatments that hockey players have at their disposal, he wouldn’t need that long to recover.

      • on2ndthought says:

        OK, I thought they usually operated on herniated discs, but stand corrected.

        “a cannonading drive”

        • Chris says:

          My doctors are reluctant to do the surgery until/unless it is absolutely necessary. All surgeries carry significant risks (secondary infections and, in the case of spinal surgeries, there is always a small chance of paralysis), so it is often a last-resort choice.

          • HabFab says:

            Mine fused over time and now I bend further up my spine in a spot not designed to bend… or so they tell me.

        • Phil C says:

          A study done in Europe revealed that half the population probably has at least one herniated disc. It’s not a problem until it touches a nerve.

          I have had the surgery. Chris’s Doctors are wise to advise him to avoid it if possible. Back surgery is only aggressive pain management, it doesn’t fix anything. If you can manage the pain without it, you are better off. As you age, discs naturally shrink, so it can actually improve with age assuming you keep your back strong otherwise.

    • twilighthours says:

      I have an account on WebMD. So: yes, because it still hurts, back, back, you’re old.

  59. JohnBellyful says:

    I dunno, I have my suspicions about Eller also – and I love the guy.
    But I think he’s been using the powder to add some power.
    Later in life than some users … but it is what it is.
    (I guess he didn’t want to be known as Half-Pint Larry).

    • SmartDog says:

      They reported his weight wrong last year. He’s said that a couple of times and he doesn’t look much different this year.

      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • JohnBellyful says:

        Unless you’re a player who has the ability to go back a year and change the numbers so a weight gain doesn’t look so suspicious.
        But now I suppose you’re going to tell me time travel is one of those scientific misconceptions. Or impossibilities.
        This site’s no fun at all.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Gaining an average of 8 pounds a year is not alarming. If he was gaining 10 pounds and more each year, then I would think it was fishy. Just my opinion. I had a trainer provide me a workout and nutrition program, just foods and protein powder, the whey stuff
      and he told my that if I followed it, I would lose about 2 lbs a week and gain 1 pound of muscle but that I would cap out at some point as each of us has our own internal body program. In the end he said I would probably lose 12 pounds of fat and gain around the same amount in muscle. He did tell me that I would not end up looking like a shorter version of the Rock, unless I cheated!


  60. Mavid says:

    I see the mods are back in business I thought we were all adults. Some of the things that are removed is ridiculous.

  61. Bill says:

    Hey Chris, what’s your favourite (or most irritating) scientific misconception? Like a piece common knowledge that actually isn’t true?

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      For me: colds are caused by cold. My mother still tells me to wear a hat in winter. OK it’s not “vaccines cause autism” destructive stupidity. But I’ll wear a hat when I fell like it.

      • on2ndthought says:

        I had an uncle say: always wear slippers, the cold comes up through the cold floor through your feet.

        “a cannonading drive”

        • SmartDog says:

          Ha! My brother always says: if your feet are cold, put on a hat – 10% of your heat escapes out the top of your head. My brother and your uncle could have a good argument.

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

      • SmartDog says:


        My son’s MOTHER thinks that not wearing a hat is the cause of every cold or flu. She’ll do something really un-smart (let’s say) like let him go swimming with polar bears and when I suggest that’s not a good idea she’ll say “one time last winter he came from your house without a hat!”

        Oh… I am baaaad! Awful. My son went out without his haaaatttt!! Where isss my hair shirt? Does anyone have cattails? Please, help me!

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

        • Bill J says:

          If you’re a smart dog, does that make the mother of your child a naggy B***h? K bad word, but I filtered it. Let this one go mods, for the humour content? :)

          Go Habs Go!

        • SmartDog says:

          In good fun and no bad words present. I would hope they’ll let it go.

          Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • on2ndthought says:




      I especially like the last list, because it has a myth . Myth: Glass is a solid. Fact: Glass is an amorphous solid, which is why old windows are thicker at the bottom (myth). The reason old (or hand formed) windows are thicker at the bottom is a relic of the manufacturing process and the fact that no (few) glaziers would be foolish enough to put the thinner edge down. Glass might flow enough in a million years to noticeably change thickness, but by then my dog will have crashed through it.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • twilighthours says:

      When people describe a weight with a measure of kilograms

      • Chris says:

        That is a good one. Not to mention that what they are reading isn’t even their weight, but their normal force. :)

      • SmartDog says:

        This might be the NERDIEST conversation ever on HIO.

        Smart for sure (I get it… being geeky myself), but it’s like this joke:

        “There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don’t.”

        Super nerdy.
        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Caesar says:

      Carrots are good for your eyes. This was created as mis-information so the Germans would not be aware that the Brits had RADAR and could see the Luftwaffe coming even during the night. Carrots are delicious however

      • SmartDog says:

        How about “hider under a table to avoid nuclear radiation fallout”.

        That’s a good wartime one too. Man the government likes to pull the wool over people’s eyes when their sons and daughters are fighting and dying for their country. Yuk!

        Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • SmartDog says:

      Mine is that microwaves cook from the inside out. What a load of crap, it’s just wrong.

      Or that it’s warmer in summer because the earth is closest to the sun. Rubbish. It’s actually further during summer.

      Basically anything dealing with heat. :)
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Magnetic Hill, Moncton NB.

    • Chris says:

      Far and away my most irritating misconception is the countless science students I have to deal with who present me with these two gems:

      1) “I am a science student, so I don’t think it is fair that you are marking my submitted work for grammar and spelling.”

      (After all, a scientist is never required to write papers and grants. I also find the “Why do you make us do oral presentations?” question amusing.)

      2) “I am a physics/chemistry student…it is absolutely pointless for me to learn biology (physics).”

      (Here I was thinking that they came to university because of an innate curiosity and love of learning. Silly me. Science is science…learning a bare minimum of the other fields won’t hurt anybody, and they will generally be shocked where they will use that knowledge again if they have open minds).

      If you’re looking for something more science related, the idea that the International Space Station is “zero-G” kind of drives me crazy. At the altitude of the ISS (~414 – 419 km above the Earth’s surface), the value of gravity only drops to about 88% of what it is at the surface of the Earth. You’ve got to go a LOT further out before you get to something small.

      The reason the astronauts experience “weightlessness” on the ISS is not because there is no gravity out there, but because they are travelling around the Earth in a relatively stable orbit at high speed. Stop the space station in its orbit and you’ll see just how much gravity there is out there!

  62. on2ndthought says:

    Hey, nobody’s said he’s too small. I think he might evolve a bit like Carbo, who was a scoring machine in junior, and a competitive defense first NHLer.

    “a cannonading drive”

    • HabFanSince72 says:

      Didn’t someone point out (or maybe it was at Eyes on the Prize) that essentially all NHLers, even the 4th liners, were scoring machines in junior?

      The others aren’t even in the race.

      • commandant says:

        Depends on the age.

        If you are talking about 17 year olds there are a number of non-scorers who make the NHL. If we are talking about 19 year olds in their last year of Junior, yeah pretty much all forwards must be scorers even to play a 4th line role.

        Not necessarily true of Defence though.

        Go Habs Go!
        Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.

  63. Timo says:

    Holy freakiddy frack… when does the training camp open? So effing boring with no real hockey news on the horizon.

  64. habs001 says:

    While it would be nice to add a big crease clearing d there are 2 issues that the Habs have to address…1) a reliable faceoff man who can win key faceoffs….the Habs have been terrible in winning faceoffs at the start of the pp and pk…this has been a constant for 4 years….if Plecks starts most pp and pk as usual this will not improve…2) the pk was 23rd last year..it cannot remain at that pace…the pk was getting worse as the season went on….

    • Timo says:

      Everything was getting worse as the season went on. Last dozen or so games (25%) were a nightmare. Don’t even want to mention the playoffs. Since Bergevin joined Habs have just as many holes as before him. So in a year, hardly anything has improved.

    • on2ndthought says:

      Couldn’t we get Mondou, Walter’ or Perrault back to instruct the centers on face-off strategy? Especially Mondou, since he did it without the big frame.

      “a cannonading drive”

  65. on2ndthought says:

    Beating a dead horse: from what I understand the worst PED problem in hockey is the use of prescribed and legal pain killers, especially by the enforcers. I’m sure most have seen “the Last Gladiators” (and if not, you should). I remember Eric Lindros saying his health suffered because he was up to 18 Advil per day! These days it is more likely to oxycodone, which is fabulous! err… I mean very dangerous. Popular preparation: Oxycontin. Street name: Oxy.

    And my favorite dumb robbers story:


    “a cannonading drive”

  66. Thurston says:

    Hope he makes the team this year.
    It was a shame he had to sit out last year’s tournament due to injury.

  67. HabFanSince72 says:

    On the topic of Chris’s rant about bad science, isn’t the Discovery Channel a disgrace? It’s mission is supposed to be to promote understanding of science and technology, but it is now to science what the Food Network is to cooking.

    I’ve been watching a bit of Shark Week and it’s just awful. All hype. No content.

    • Phil C says:

      A lot of people are mad about the fake documentary on Megalodon. No disclaimer, just happy to fool people. I think they blew it with that. No one will trust them anymore.

      • Sportfan says:

        What happened with it?

        Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

        • Phil C says:

          They did a fake documentary about Megalodon being still alive as a species. They created fake evidence and hired actors to portray scientists. It seemed very real, fooled a lot of people. Usually for stunts like that, they put a disclaimer at the beginning of the show saying its fake.

          I don’t think its the type of show the Discovery Channel should be doing, real sharks are interesting enough without making crap up. I thought they were better than that.

    • on2ndthought says:

      Ratings, ratings, ratings. Awful, since they use the ratings to sell even less healthy lifestyle choices. Makes me want to grab a …. Molson: refreshing your zeitgeist for a hundred years.

      “a cannonading drive”

    • Sportfan says:

      That’s disappointing to hear about shark week. Its been decent in the past.

      Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • Chris says:

      The sad thing here is that there are a number of people training as scientific journalists who could probably give them all the content they could ever want and then some, but they (and pretty much all news outlets) have basically decided that there is no market for scientific reporters/journalists/programmers.

  68. JTT says:

    Hope Hudon can get a shot with team canada. Not a bad little player. He averaged 65 points a season with Chicoutimi.

  69. Ed says:

    excellent prospect!

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Ed, it does appear that way, huh? The folks with knowledge of such things such as yourself rave about Hudon nearly as much as Colberg. A since seemingly forward depthless organization may soon have a fair share of forwards.

  70. Sportfan says:

    Sad he got hurt hope he gets a shot!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  71. punkster says:

    Nobody does new threads like Bond:

    Edit…corrected site

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  72. bwoar says:

    The fact that he still hasn’t recovered from that back injury is troubling. I don’t know what to expect at this point, but I hope it’s something that can be treated so he competes at 100% during the year.


    • Luke says:

      It is odd that he’s playing so much with the injury.

      Really have to wonder at the severity or type of injury that would prevent him from playing in the tournament last season, but allow him to play after it; as well as in this training camp w/o it being fully healed.

  73. bwoar says:

    EDIT: dammit


  74. Ian Cobb says:

    Won’t be to much longer my friend. Training camp next month I think.

  75. twilighthours says:

    Some of us would rather talk current events/politics/science with a hockey crowd than the reverse.

    And hockey isn’t that interesting most of the time, anyway.

Leave a Comment

You must be logged in to post a comment.