‘It’s a pretty cool feeling,’ Olympic champ Price says (with video)

Olympic champions Carey Price and P.K. Subban arrived back in Montreal Monday morning about an hour before their teammates hit the ice for practice in Brossard at 11 a.m. Max Pacioretty, who was part of Team USA, joined Price and Subban on a flight from Newark, N.J., on a private jet arranged for by Hamilton Bulldogs owner Michael Andlauer.

Goalie Peter Budaj, who was part of the Slovakian team in Sochi, was in goal for practice with Francis Desrosiers of the QMJHL’s Sherbrooke Phoenix in the other net. The other Canadiens who took part in the Sochi Games – Alexei Emelin, Andrei Markov and Tomas Plekanec – were all on the ice for practice.

Price met with reporters for about 15 minutes after his arrival in Brossard.

“It’s a pretty cool feeling,” the goaltender said about being an Olympic gold medallist. “Obviously, it was a really, really cool life experience and I was really, really honoured and grateful for the opportunity to take part in that.

“It was a complete effort from everybody, no matter what position guys were put in,” he added. “Everybody contributed in some way and I think that was probably the most special feeling. Because everybody out on that ice when our anthem was played had a part in it in some way.”

Brandon Prust, who has an upper-body injury, skated before practice, while Michael Bournival, who is suffering from concussion-like symptoms, didn’t skate. Both are listed as day-to-day.

Defenceman Jarred Tinordi, who was called up from the Hamilton Bulldogs on Sunday, practised Monday and will be in the lineup Wednesday night when Team Canada coach Mike Babcock and the Detroit Red Wings visit the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN Radio 690). Tinordi, a left-hand shot, spent part of practice on the right side with veteran Douglas Murray as his partner.

“It’s always a bit of surprise to get called up; you never really expect it,” Tinordi told reporters after practice. “But I had a stretch of about two or three weeks where I was playing well and feeling good, so it’s good to be recognized for that with a call-up.”  

On Thursday, the Habs will be in Pittsburgh to take on Team Canada captain Sidney Crosby and the Penguins (7 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690), before returning home to face the Toronto Maple Leafs Saturday night at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., CBC, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

An exhausted Price told reporters in Brossard Monday that he’s not sure when he will return to the Habs’ net, adding Babcock encouraged him to have a few more beers Sunday night following Canada’s gold-medal victory. Price also said he wasn’t in touch with Habs goalie coach Stephane Waite or his Habs teammates during the Games, instead staying in his own bubble.

Price, who said he was looking forward to going home to spend time with his wife and dog while getting some sleep, will get the day off Tuesday when the Habs practise in Brossard at 11 a.m.

Here’s how the lines and defence pairings looked at practice on Monday:

Briere-Plekanec-Gionta
Weise-Desharnais-Gallagher
Galchenyuk-Eller-Bourque
Moen-White-Parros

Markov-Emelin
Tinordi-Gorges
Murray-Bouillon

(Photo by Pierre Obendrauf/The Gazette)

Price will take time to unwind after gold-medal win, by Dave Stubbs

Gold medal takes Price to another level, by Dave Stubbs

Tinordi gets call while Beaulieu stays in Hamilton, by Pat Hickey

Price meets Montreal media (video), Canadiens.com

Price savours his golden moment, by Ed Willes of Postmedia News

Habs fans need to let Subban Sochi snub go, by Mike Boone

A great win for Team Canada, but not a great game, by Jack Todd

Early projection for 2018 Team Canada, Postmedia News

Price answers fans questions (video), Canadiens.com

NHL season resumes Tuesday in Buffalo, NHL.com

NHL players set to refocus on playoff races, montrealgazette.com

Countdown on to March 5 trade deadline, TSN.ca

Leafs fan wonders if Sochi_Goalpost would move to Toronto, Stu on Sports blog

988 Comments

  1. Luke says:

    A fellow who gets chattted about ’round these parts gets to do the Habs update in this article.

    http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/post-olympic-break-primer-atlantic-division-144030269–nhl.html#more-id

    Reads like one (or some) of the mysterious posters around these parts.

    What do the Canadiens need to do to make the post-season? Getting rid of Douglas Murray would make them a lot stronger, but I don’t think they’ll do that unless Michel Therrien is fired, which doesn’t look like it’ll happen. If Price continues his dominance, they’ll make the playoffs in spite of being bad.

    Love him or hate him, Murray has little to do with this teams successes or failures. He’s a bit part, and about the 5th most important defenseman. (Full Disclosure: I like the big slow lug. He reminds me of the old WCW wrestler Scott Norton).

  2. HabinBurlington says:

    A good hockey read from Jim Matheson on the merits of Oilers trying to trade for Shea Weber.

    http://blogs.edmontonjournal.com/2014/02/24/what-would-shea-weber-cost-the-oilers/

    • mrhabby says:

      Read that..a very good piece by Engels on the Marky issue.

    • B says:

      “Bergevin either angers the fan base now by trading him for the future; angers the fan base later by getting nothing for him when he declares free agency; or angers the fan base by signing Markov on the player’s terms for a lot of money and probably a lot of years.”

      –Go Habs Go!–

  3. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    We all have our opinions about Markov but one thing for sure: if he doesn’t sign, he’s gone. I can’t believe MB would let him walk away for nothing.

    • Kooch7800 says:

      Sadly the habs have done that too much in the past. Tanguay was the worst. Give up prospects for him and then let him walk after an injury plagued season when he was willing to resign.

      Koivu was another. I wish Saku never left the habs and we didn’t get Gomez.

      If they can’t resign Marky then they should move him. It will def have a big impact on this club though for this year an next. Markov plays big minutes and we don’t have the horses to jump in an take those on at the moment. If they can get him on another 2 year deal close to 6 mill I think he stays

      “Lets Go Canada”

  4. Un Canadien errant says:

    Can we have a moratorium on any mention of James Wisniewski? It still smarts, I miss that guy. If we’d signed him when we had him, we wouldn’t have gone the Tomas Kaberle route, and the Yannick Weber and Raphaël Diaz experiments wouldn’t have been so protracted, they could have done their learning in the minors.

    A righthanded tough d-man with snarl and a bomb from the point? Sheesh, like we couldn’t have used that. Like P.K. wouldn’t have picked up a thing or two from him.

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  5. Un Canadien errant says:

    Regarding the need to add a #2 defenceman if we traded Andrei Markov, we can always obtain Mike Kostka, who was on waivers a couple days ago. According to the incessant evaluations by the likes of Mark Masters of TSN last season, there’s a player who is poised for great things.

    If not, we could always take a shot at Korbinian Holzer, who’s in the minors right now. According to the same sources, he is the kind of steady defenceman you need for a deep playoff run.

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  6. boing007 says:

    Keep Bourque if he continues to play better.

    Richard R

  7. Luke says:

    Vanishing post syndrome strikes again.

    My point was: Trading Markov would be like the Leafs trading Larry Murphy.

    Except Markov is better now than Murphy was at the time. And you have to begin looking to replace MArkov immediately. It only took 8 years of Markov before we found a comperable in Subban. So we can trade Subban when Joey McPuckmover is ready…

  8. HabinBurlington says:

    Looks to me like life is back in order on HI/O, we have broken out of our Olympic slumber and are back to where we need to be.

    Now if only MB hadn’t lost his HI/O password, he could be here gleaning information and helping rebuild a winner like we deserve!

    THere is a rumour on the street that MB may have been forced to sign up as a new user here recently in order to get the goods. It was quite a kick in the crotch for him to do this.

    • DoopsyDiddler says:

      Haven’t you heard? You’re being dangled in trade talks with the Maple Leaf blog, Pensionplanpuppets.

      So far they’re offering up 10 terabytes of disk space and a poster called “Reimerfan”.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        It’s always good to be wanted!

        • frontenac1 says:

          Heard you have a No Trade Clause amigo. Any luck getting JK the turncoat to see the light?

          • HabinBurlington says:

            I tried to get a No Movement Clause, but the amount of crap I spew has prevented me from getting such a clause.

            No luck with JK, he is a lost soul, not sure what you must have done to him in college bud! I have my ideas though.

            CHeers Front!

          • Mattyleg says:

            I tried to have a No Movement Clause this weekend, but I ended up having to go to my daughter’s dance class, a 1st birthday party, a family dinner, put up shelves, go shopping, and get the car washed.

            …and still somehow my value went down.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • BriPro says:

            :)
            I love this site.
            So much insightful, relevant, and astute information.
            You guys are so dependable.

            BTW I have a “full-trade clause.”
            My wife stamps it on my head every time we go to the beaches of Cape Cod.

          • GrimJim says:

            About once a week, my wife threats to put me on waivers but I just tell her that I’ll refuse to report…

          • Mattyleg says:

            Ha!

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • CH Marshall says:

        *snicker* you said Reimer eheh

    • Le Jadester says:

      Yes it is.

      Just to weigh in…

      …very proud to be a Canadien and happy for Price and PK as Gold medalists. I’m sure this will be the first of more hardware to come in their careers ! Although, the lack of competition (or Canada was just too superior) this time around made it kinda boring IMO. In fact I think a Canada “B” team woulda made for better games in the semi’s and finals.

      Babs thinks he’s clever by telling Pricey to keep pounding more beers ! WTF ? Obviously he wants to face a goalie who is hung tomorrow to give his team a chance ?

      Can’t wait for some trades to unfold now !
      Bring up all 3 d men from the dog pound and trade the rest (i.e. Markov, Gorges and I guess no one’s really gonna bite for Frankie, Douglas and Drewskie are they ? )…..well, so much for that idea ?

      Habs, OLE !

  9. scrotchland says:

    trade Markoff, cheerleader gorges and therian to LA for anybody, anybody and coach sutter.
    At least the post game press conferences will be more exciting in montreal.

  10. DoopsyDiddler says:

    Poor Glendale. They look set to finally make some $$ from Pro Sports by hosting the Superbowl next year.

    But now the state of Arizona is threatening this by passing an anti-gay legislation more discriminatory than Putin’s.

    http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/02/25/boycott_homophobic_arizona_the_nfl_should_move_the_super_bowl.html

  11. DoopsyDiddler says:

    Those of you who think the value of a 1st round pick is the value of some of the best 1st round picks of the past decade – I know someone who would like to sell you some mutual funds.

    • Paz says:

      Other than the top 10 or so pcks, it’s very tough to know what you’re getting. Even the best scouts will admit this when pushed.

    • shiram says:

      If that’s about my post, it was something a Blues fan suggested, a deal centered around Stewart for the Habs first.

      It does seem to be low value to me, but the guy thought Stewart was a headcase.

      • DoopsyDiddler says:

        Nope. Not about your post.

        I said that a late 1st rounder was on average worth a 3rd liner 5 years from now. Sometimes it’s a bust. Sometimes it’s a 2nd line centre. On average though it’s a 3rd or 4th liner. And it isn’t one next season, but 5 years from now.

        The bottom 8 picks from 2010 have played an avg of 33 NHL games, and not one of them is a sure-fire top tier player.

    • LizardKing12 says:

      I doubt anyone thinks a draft pick is a sure thing. We have experienced our fair share of 1st round busts and seen any more around the league to think that even for a second.

      As far as trading markov goes we would definitely get more than just a draft pick, I highly doubt MB trade him away for just picks he’d want something slightly more tangible. IMO it would be more like a first or second rounder plus a fairly highly rated prospect who has a good chance of being a top 6 forward and at the very least will be a contributor on the 3rd line.

      The reality is that trades always involve risk. You don’t improve a team without taking risks. The argument when looking at the Markov situation is will he be worth the big contract 2-3 years down the road, will he be a piece that can help us contend for a cup in those years or will he be a declining dman with a big cap hit. Taking that into consideration you have to either take a risk by signing him long term and hoping he only declines slightly while remaining a top end offensive talent, or take the risk and trade him for assets that could contribute more than a declining markov would in years 2-3 of his deal.

  12. Sportfan says:

    If Markov wanted a three year deal around 3.5-5 then maybe I would give that lol

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  13. shiram says:

    On Chris Stewart, his name is brought up often, and I must say, looking over at his bio and stats line seems to point to him being what the Habs need, big guy that can score goals!

    But I’ve been reading more on this guy, and it seems to me it might be a case of greener grass on the other side of the fence.
    I’ve read many a Blues fan saying he was a floater, lazy and that while he did have size was not caught using it all that often.

    One of them even related him to Bourque.

    Asking price from the Habs varied from our 1st round pick, to Eller and even Plekanec.

    I think long and hard about sending them the pick, but the 2 players would be a no.

  14. krob1000 says:

    http://www.tsn.ca/

    Markov in the spotlight on tsn tradecentre

  15. crane says:

    Time for play off run is now.There is never a perfect time or,you will wait forever.Three years from now Markov is done,Plekanec on a bad downside,Prust worn out,Georges too.There is nothing coming up fast enough to replace these guys.Two forwards gets us to the finals.think Moulson and Stewart,good to go.

  16. Mattyleg says:

    Ever since Bergevin came in to the head office, he has repeated the same thing: He wants to stop the revolving-door policy that has plagued the Habs for the past decade (or more).

    This ruins team continuity, messes up accountability, and confuses team priorities and identity.

    One of the reasons that the Habs were so great in the past is that they held on to the same core group of players. Look around the NHL, and you’ll see that this is still the recipe for success – Pittsburgh, Chicago, Detroit, etc.

    Keeping the same coach and believing in him over a longer term than we’ve seen recently is also useful (See Trotz, Barry; Ruff, Lindy; Babcock, Mike), but keeping players who came through the system and provide continuity and identity to younger players coming up and trying to fit in is extremely important.

    I worked as a high-school teacher for a number of years, and taught in two different schools. One school had the same group of teachers who had been there many years, the other school had a big turnover, always getting in teachers who the principal thought were better.

    In the first place, school pride was through the roof, discipline was not an issue, and there was accountability all round – kids knew what they were getting before they went into a classroom with a teacher. In the second school, it was a sh!t-show. Discipline was all over the place because teachers were inconsistent or not on the same page as each other, there was tons of vandalism, and overall the school struggled and it wasn’t fun teaching there.

    The kicker: the schools were down the road from each other and had the exact same demographic.

    Gotta keep players like Markov. Constant trading looks good on paper or on Xbox, but it’s not the answer.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • CJ says:

      Some very good points Matty. However, I think it’s difficult to draw a parrel between school and the business of sports. Do you feel the same way about Bouilion and Gionta?

      I don’t think its healthy to turn over the entire team, but I am a believer in identifying the core and building around those players. IMO, neither Markov, Gionta or Bouilion are part of this core group. We could be a better team next year, even without these players.

      IMO, we will not bring back Parros, Bouilion, Gionta and Murray. I think we will make one or two trades, which could remove guys like Bourque, Moen, Briere. I guess I am just saying that all professional sports teams are constantly in flux.

      A great example is college football. A team based sport that relies heavily on all members pulling in the same direction (no pun intended). They turn over the entire team every four years. You can find chemistry if you have a strong leadership group internally.

      Again, I value your insight and respect your thoughts. I just see it a little differently. Cheers, CJ

      • Paz says:

        I’ve seen Robinson, Savard, Lapointe all leave the team to end their careers.

        And that was 30 years ago.

        If Markov wants to be a Montreal high school teacher I would offer him a job, though.

      • Mattyleg says:

        The business of sports and schools have the same goals in common: the pursuit of excellence. Chasing down the next big name creates a good institution on paper, but one that will prove to have no heart, which is what will take it to the next level.

        I think that bringing Bouillon back was a good continuity move because he came through the system, and I don’t think we should have let him go in the first place.

        Gionta has only been here a few years, and isn’t part of the continuity I’m talking about. He is part of the ‘buy in some good players’ idea that I don’t believe works very well if there isn’t already a core in place. If there is a strong core, you can bring players in to add to that and to build on the team identity that is already there.

        The college football example is a good one, because the coaches and management tend to stay the same, as does the school identity. When players go to a school they go there because of the team’s/school’s identity. This doesn’t rest on the players, but on the school/management.

        In the NHL, the team’s identity rests on the core players and the management. Change that too much, and the team loses its identity.

        Cheers mate.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Habfan17 says:

          I don’t think anyone is saying chase the next great player. There is a difference between turning over the entire core and letting a player who’s best days are behind him go elsewhere and getting assets that may help the team long term.

          Lizardking made some great points below with actual stats about Markov. I have no problem with one year. I find the $6 million high, but it is on par with other players of his skill. having said that. If he signs for 3 years and retires or can’t play, his salary will still count against the cap since he is 35 or over.

          The Core will still be there, PK, Price, Patches, Eller, Gorges ( maybe) Gallagher, Galchenyuk, Pleks, Prust, injuries and all. The additions to the core are also in place, Beaulieu, Tinordi and one or two of the forward prospects.

          I think it sends a worse message when teams keep trading all their young players and picks for band aids in the hopes it yields a cup! Players want to win, but they want a chance every year, not just one kick at the can.

          Habfan17

          • Mattyleg says:

            I agree, but I believe that keeping vets who have come through the system sets a good example for the team.

            Do you think that Detroit made a mistake keeping Lidstrom?

            Most of the reaction to his retirement as a Red Wing suggested that it made Detroit look very good to have done well by him.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ mattyleg
            I don’t believe that Detroit made a mistake but that is not a fair comparison. They had a team in their prime and able to win the cup. Lidstrom at 35 won the Norris and he won it 7 out of his last 10 seasons and was an all star 10 times. He put up 80 points when he was 35 and did not have a knee that underwent two serious operations. Like Selanne, Chelios and Jagr, he held father time back. Markov is not on par with him and the Habs are not in the same place as the Red Wings were.

            There are still plenty of players that have come through the system. It is more about the message from the top down.
            I respect your opinion, but do not share it. Teams that get caught up in sentimentality and hold on to assets too long are doomed in the cap era! You have to leverage every asset to be successful.

            Habfan17

          • LizardKing12 says:

            Matty comparing Markov to Lidstrom is a major stretch. It’s like comparing Kessel to Crosby. One is a top tier talent at his position and one is an all time great. Lidstrom in the eyes of many is among the top 5 dmen all time. He won like 8 norris trophies and at the age of 35 put up 80 points and took home the Norris. Markov is at a similar age and is on pace for 43 points and won’t be anywhere close to in the discussion for the norris. Lidstrom was still one of if not the best in the league at that point. Not only was Markov never near that good even in his prime, at this point in his career he isn’t even the best dman on his team. The situation in MTL is much much different, Lidstrom put up 62 points at 40 years old that is 2 points less than Markov’s best season when he was in his prime.

          • Mattyleg says:

            Guys (Liz moreso than HF17), you’re missing the point.

            I’m not making a direct comparison between Markov and Lidstrom.

            C’mon.

            I’m comparing the way that an organization treated their best veteran defenseman, who had come up through the ranks.

            (Incidentally, had Markov not been injured, I bet he would have won the Norris in one of those two seasons.)

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • LizardKing12 says:

            I know that you don’t think Markov is or ever was as good as Lidstrom. I understand that you are comparing what another organization did with an aging vet who was drafted by them. However, it is not a fair comparison because of the fact that he is an all time great. Obviously someone who is potentially the best ever at their position is going to be able to make some adjustments in order to have a more lengthy career. That being said Lidstrom didn’t even really have to adjust that much, his point totals from ages 30-35 were :71,59,62,38,80 and his totals from 36-41 were: 62,70,59,49,62,34. Not a whole lot of difference, Lidstrom was an elite point producer up until his final season. Furthermore he never dealt with many injuries playing 70+ games in all but one season which I believe was a lockout shortened season so he literally never missed significant time to injury.

            It is just far to different a situation to make a comparison. The only similarities is they are offensive dman who were drafted by a team and spent a long time with the same team. Lidstrom was a consistently healthy player who never showed signs of decline. Markov has dealt with very serious injuries and is showing declining point totals and whether or not you want to admit it is no the same guy defensive that he was prior to the injuries, still good but not the same. How often would pre-injury Markov be made to look like a total pylon like he did vs Malkin in the last Pitts game, yes Malkin is elite but Markov used to shut those guys down not be made to look like a fool.

            Like I said, Gonchar IMO is a very fair comparison. An elite puck moving dman, slightly better offensively and slightly worse defensively and who also dealt with some injuries in his career. Gonchar post 35, like a large majority of offensive dmen, has put up declining numbers, and has been less effective defensively. Markov is already showing regression in offensive output as well as defensive reliability. Markov has what it takes to play into his late 30s but not as a #2 6 mil a year dman. Someone will give him that money but will most likely regret it when he is a minus player putting up 35-40 points at 37-38 years of age.

    • LizardKing12 says:

      You make excellent points Matty. Continuity and stability are major keys to success in the sports world. Having a management team and coaching staff in place for a long period of time allows a team to cultivate a culture and put a plan in place for long term success.

      It also applies to players, you want to draft well and retain your players for as long as possible. A cohesive locker room and a roster that is familiar with each other is a key to success as well. If you have constant turnover it is rarely conducive to success.

      Bergevin seems to understand this. His goal to build through the draft is one that involves putting together a nucleus of players and retaining them long term. Price was locked up long term when he got here and he has made long term deals to retain players he identified as a part of the team’s core (Pacs, Emelin, DD) and will likely do the same with PK this offseason.

      The problem with Markov is that he is old and we are building a core that will compete in the future, not this season or next season but 3-4 years down the line and will remain competitive for many years once that success is established. He is a player that is declining in offensive and defensive skills and will most likely not be worth his contract in the later years. Knowing when to part ways with declining players and get a maximized return of assets for them is also a key part of building a successful franchise.

      I will use an example from the NFL, I know it is a different sport but I believe the philosophy applies nonetheless. The New England Patriots have been arguably the most successful franchise of the last 10+ years. They have done this in part by retaining the good players they draft and building a stable core but also by maximizing the value of their assets by parting ways sometimes a year to early rather than a year too late. When they identify a player that will most likely not be worth their contract in a year or two they either trade them for assets or simply cut them in order to better use the cap space. Instead of being saddled with a player who is taking up a lot of cap space and underperforming they now either have draft picks that will potentially contribute in the future + cap space if the player was valuable enough to trade or just cap space that will be used more effectively if he is just cut.

      For the last 10-15 years the Habs have been terrible at identifying when a player will be of declining value to the team in the future or simply unwilling to part ways at a time that would lead to maximizing assets. As a result we have often been stuck with ageing players who no longer earn their salaries, or lose a player without getting assets in return which is a big mistake when that player has good to great trade value (Souray, Koivu, Kovalev).

      • Mattyleg says:

        Thanks for the long reply!

        You’ve made a good point about us not being able to identify the good moment to get rid of certain players, and I believe there is certainly some credence to it, but I don’t believe that Markov’s offense and defense are dwindling as quickly as you suggest they are.

        They will, there is no doubt, but the difference between an older defenceman and an older forward is that those kinds of numbers are less relevant, as Markov can switch roles to become an excellent stay-at-home d-man, as Lidstrom did.

        There aren’t many veteran players I believe the Habs should hold onto, but Plekanec and Markov are two that I see as being part of the long-term future of the team.

        Agree to differ, then, perhaps!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Habfan17 says:

          I enjoy your posts too mattyleg, even when I don’t agree with them. You always stick to your opinion and make points rather than resort to making it personal like some others!

          Habfan17

        • Habfan17 says:

          I think you should scroll down a bit and read the post Lizardking12 posted where he used Markov’e actual stats to show he is wearing down, especially in the second halves of seasons.

          Habfan17

          • Mattyleg says:

            Cheers mate.
            I don’t agree that his defensive side is slipping.
            Points, perhaps, but that’s not the main aspect of a defenceman’s contribution.

            —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • LizardKing12 says:

          You are right dmen age much better than forwards. That being said you are mistaken if you don’t think Markov is dwindling. I posted the stats below. His point totals are declining year to year and his second half of seasons both last year and this year show that although he is able to continue producing he becomes more and more of a defensive liability. He now tends to fly out of the gate both offensively and defensively but piles up more and more minus games as the season wears on.

          We can see it with out own eyes that Markov is not as defensively sound as he once was. The knee injuries have taken their toll and he isn’t the fantastic skater he once was. A lot of good forwards have blown right by him on their way to the net and it happens more and more frequently the later we get in the season. Becoming a stay at home dman is simply not in the cards for Markov.

          The comparison with Lidstrom is also a stretch as I mentioned in a reply to your post above. Lidstrom is undoubtedly the best dman of his generation and one of the top 5 all time. He won multiple norris trophies including one at the age of 35 when he put up 80 points and was +21. Comparatively Markov is turning 35 and is on pace for 43 points, he is currently +7 but that is because of his good +14 start he has been a minus player since December and should the trend continue he will end up a minus by the end of the year. Lidstrom put up 62 points at 40 years old, 2 less than Markov’s best season in the prime of his career. Sorry to burst your bubble but the two are worlds apart.

          A better comparison would be Sergei Gonchar, who also was more offensively gifted than Markov in his prime but is much closer in skill than Lidstrom. Before the age of 35 Gonchar was producing at roughly 0.7 PPG, since then he has produced at 0.53 PPG. That’s a difference between averaging close to 60 points a season to under 45 points a season. Markov at his best was averaging in the mid 50 points per season and at 35 has already seen that total drop to the low 40s, can’t imagine he will be putting up more points at age 36-38.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Very well put. I always enjoy reading your posts!

        Habfan17

  17. scrotchland says:

    please please MB do something smart for once and trade markoff and cheerleader joshie and while your at it do price and PK a favor and trade them while there stock is high.
    This team has been a disgrace for the past 20+ years, a long way from the glory years. Toe Blake must be spinning in his grave.

  18. habsguru says:

    so shout out to Burly, Dips and Cal for the mod beaters, now on to my rant:

    repost to the power of 6….

    I know Boone suggested that we move on from the PK “snub” but….

    the t oronto s port n etwork’s MJ (former hab) has projected the 2018 Olympic team, which is crazy on it’s own. He has PK picked as the 8th D (again), with Morgan Rielly at 6th, and also Bernier as one of the three backstops. how obnoxious and transparent.

    I know I should consider the source and relax, but this gets my goat. I would boycot if the other options didn’t suck.

  19. secretdragonfly says:

    Really???? Looks like the Ottawa Citizen is just as bad as Pauline Marois when it comes to acknowledging winners.

    http://www.ottawacitizen.com/sports/Letter+What+about+Carey+Price/9547432/story.html

  20. Sportfan says:

    Am I the only one who wants the Habs to resign and keep Markov?

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!
    http://nickolaisblog.wordpress.com/

  21. boing007 says:

    I hope that MB doesn’t under estimate Markov’s potential value to a cup contending team. Make ‘em pay.

    Richard R

    • SmartDog says:

      it surprises me that more players who get traded for a rental don’t return to their original team.
      Take Markov for example. If LA wanted him (for example). He could be a big help to a cup run. Mtl trades him, he gets a legitimate shot at a cup, and then when the run is over, if he still wants to finish his career in Montreal, why not come back?

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  22. Un Canadien errant says:

    Is it just me, or is everyone’s favourite new poster ‘scrotchland’?

    Very well executed. A home run.

    ———————————————————————–
    My sources are unreliable, but their info is fascinating.–Woody Paige

    http://relentlessineptitude.blogspot.com/

    • boing007 says:

      Not a very impressive list.

      Richard R

      • Commandant says:

        All the more reason to re-sign Markov. You aren’t replacing him via free agency, and you have no one ready to take over his role as the #2 defenceman.

        Also trading for a new guy in the summer will be expensive. Probably cost as much or more than what you get for markov now.

        With a goalie who can steal games, and a norris winning defenceman, we might as well keep the guy and see what happens, both this year and the next few.

        Go Habs Go!

        http://lastwordonsports.com/

        • LizardKing12 says:

          I disagree, I think it’s all the more reason to trade Markov. Offensive Dman/PP QB is often a sought after commodity at the deadline for cup contending teams with weak special teams. Markov is one of the only players that fits the bill for teams looking for that kind of player and his value is still high. If there is a team out there that thinks a PP QB is the missing ingredient to a cup run than we could get some quality assets for the future.

          We don’t need to replace Markov right away. Yes in the immediate future we become weaker on the back end but in the next 1-2 years the Habs are not legit contenders anyways. Also do you really think Markov will be the same Markov in the future? Maybe next year he will but it gets less and less likely as the years go on. Bergevin’s plan is to build through the draft and with the plethora of draft picks he had in the last 2 seasons it is clear that he is looking to be a contender when these young players become the core of this team in the future. By then Beaulieu or Tinordi will be a #2.

          • Commandant says:

            Defencemen of Markov’s style (the offensive puck mover) have proven that they can play effective roles late in their careers. I still think Markov can be a valuable contributor for us, right now.

            Draft picks for the 2014 draft are likely to be late first rounders at best. This draft is very weak once you get outside the top 7 or 8 IMO. I’m not a huge fan of trading for this year’s picks. Even if one of our picks becomes a good player, he’s likely more than 2-3 years away when we want to contend.

            I see a good core here… A bonafide franchise goalie. a #1 defenceman, A centre who will soon break out and be a go to guy, a legit 35 goal guy on the wing. I think we add, not subtract.

            That doesn’t mean adding a rental, but adding a long term forward to the group at RW with size.

            Go Habs Go!

            http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • LizardKing12 says:

      IMO Markov has the potential to be the most sought after dman at the deadline, especially if that is a fairly accurate list of who will be available.

      Rangers will be looking for a big return for Girardi, he is only 29 and can reasonably have 4-5 years of very good hockey left. He may be way to expensive for a potential rental.

      Macdonald is having a good season but isn’t really a proven commodity as an offensive dman as this is really his best season from an offensive standpoint and is more of a middle of the pack talent when it comes to offensive talent.

      I doubt the Sharks part ways with Boyle, they are having another good season and are running out of opportunities to make a cup run before having to retool a bit once Boyle, Thornton and Marleau get older in the next few years.

      Gonchar has shown significant decline in offensive abilities and hasn’t been very good defensively for quite some time. He is still an option for a team looking to improve offensively on the back end for a cup run because he wouldn’t take much to get but he also comes with another year at 5 mil and I don’t see many teams wanting to take that on.

      That leaves Markov and Zidlicky as the top offensive dmen available. They both have similar offensive upside but Markov has always been the superior PP QB and this IMO should make him the more sought after commodity.

      There are a fair amount of defensive dmen available at the deadline but Markov and Zidlicky look to be the only really viable offensive dmen available. Should Bergevin attempt to move Markov at the deadline I believe he will be a sought after commodity and we could get a first and a highly rated offensive prospect.

  23. SmartDog says:

    I hope the Habs D learned a few things from watching the Can team play. I’m sure Price will have a few ideas to share. It can only be good.

    ————————————-
    Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  24. GL says:

    This team is not good enough up front to make any noise in the playoffs. Price will probably take a lot of flak again. He played with a excellent 4-line team in Sochi versus a 1-line team in Montreal and then compare the defense there is none. If we make the playoffs 1-round max. If we can make trades to improve the team now and for down the road than trade whom ever that may be. You don’t get many chances with a star Goalie to win a cup if they don’t start improving this team soon Price will have to make a decision to move on to a Stanley Cup contender in 4-5 years he’s gonna be on the downside of his career and maybe won’t get a chance at winning a cup in Montreal. MB gotta improve this team and not just for a round or two of playoffs …. March 5th would be a good time if possible.

    • LizardKing12 says:

      I agree that this team isn’t good enough offensively to make noise in the playoffs. However I disagree that Price will be on the decline in 4-5 years. Price is only 26 so in 4-5 years he will be 30-31 and elite goalies can play at an elite level into their mid-late 30s. It is not uncommon for an elite goalie to still be putting up elite numbers at the age of 35/36 and some of the best do it until they are nearly 40.

  25. LizardKing12 says:

    What MB decides to do with Markov could be a defining moment in his career as Habs GM. Is he going to do what every other Habs GM has done over the last 10+ years and hold on to him for a short playoff run only to lose him for nothing at the end of the season? Is he going to cave and sign him for 3 years at roughly 6mil per year and saddle the Habs with another contract they may very well regret by years 2 and 3. Or will he be proactive and try to get assets that will benefit the team in the future? IMO MB is already off to a good start by beginning negotiations prior to the trade deadline unlike his predecessors.

    Realistically the Habs are not cup contenders this year. I’ve seen mention of the fact that the East is “wide open” but the West is full of powerhouse teams with size and skill (Anaheim, LA, St-Louis) that the Habs struggle against and would likely not stand a chance in hell of beating in the final should they miraculously make it there. I also don’t think the Habs wouldn’t suddenly fall off the map without Markov, they have found ways to survive without him in the past and should be able to manage a playoff position without him this year.

    In the past top end offensive d-men who can boost a PP have fetched good returns at the deadline. If Kaberle can get bring in a 1st, 2nd and a prospect I don’t see why Markov couldn’t get us a first and a fairly highly rated forward prospect from a team that is ready to win now. The Kings have been rumored to have interest and they have some interesting forward prospects. The most interesting being Toffoli who would be an amazing acquisition but the Kings may not be willing to part with him unless there is a biding war, however Tanner Pearson or Linden Vey would be solid pick-ups as well, they have decent size, offensive upside and are also apparently defensively responsible. Regardless of who ends up being the trade partner if MB decides to deal Markov I would assume he would be looking to get a prospect with top 6 potential and 1st or 2nd round pick.

    Let’s be honest, in order to make a trade that could really improve the team going forward there will always be risk involved. Trading Markov will not guarantee assets that will significantly improve the team. However, a team has to be willing to take a risk to improve. In the past the Habs have been unwilling to take big risks in the trade market and that amongst other things is the reason why we have been a middle of the pack team for a very long time. IMO trading Markov is part of a “retooling” process, much like what the Sens did trading away guys like Mike Fisher a few years ago, that allows the team to get assets for the future without having to tank. Beaulieu and Tinordi are very close to becoming NHL regulars but the rest of the prospects who are supposed to be part of MB’s plan to build a contender are still 2-3 seasons away from making the jump (Colberg, McCarron, De la Rose etc.). By that time Markov will not be the dman he is today, he won’t be a significant contributor and won’t be worth much more than a mid-round pick or mid-level prospect. Let’s not make the same mistakes we’ve made in the past and expect different results. It would be fun to see Markov retire a Hab but his defensive capabilities are already on the decline and his offensive production will decline as well, you don’t pay a player for past performance you pay them for what they will contribute in the future and he simply isn’t going to be a 6mil a year dman in the future. His trade value will never be higher than it is right now so let’s cash in and look to the future. It is time to take some risks in order to attempt to restore this team to its former glory instead of keeping the status quo and continuing to be the middle of the pack team we’ve watched for the last 15+ years.

    • turbodragon says:

      Well said.

      I think the decision to trade Markov or not rests on two factors:

      1. What does he want? Will he go to free agency or can he be signed before the deadline? It’d be a pain to risk losing him for nothing, so if MB and his agent can’t come to terms, it’ll be more tempting to trade him.

      2. What can you get for him? If somebody offers a couple of picks and a blue chip prospect, it’ll obviously be more tempting to move him.

    • CJ says:

      Good posts Lizard and Turbo. I share very similar opinions. Cheers, CJ

    • Habs4LifeInTO says:

      I’m right there with you King….

      Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
      24 cups and counting….

  26. habsguru says:

    i’ve been modded 5 times today???

    anybody else having issues?

  27. DoopsyDiddler says:

    Andrei Markov a pylon with bad knees?

    Huh?

    He has played 1479 minutes of hockey this year, which is 7th in the entire NHL (and tops on the Habs).

    He’s missed no games.

    31 points in 59 games, +7, and a member of the 3rd best penalty kill in the league.

    I think rumours of Andrei’s demise are premature.

    He will remain good for another three years because his game is based on finesse and intelligence.

    Trading him for a late first round pick doesn’t make us better now, or in the future.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, Markov may have those stats. What are his stats the last 10 games? The comment was “players have blown past him like a pylon in the last 10 games” not he is a pylon. Sure, he was fresher the beginning of the season and he has become less effective in the latter part. he did not stand out in the Olympics, and he has been struggling against players that in the past, he would not have struggled against. Yes, he has points, how many on the power play?
      His plus/minus is also attributable to the other players on the ice with him.

      I am not saying that Markov is done. One year at $6 million as reported that Bergevin offered, I say sign him, ore than that, no!

      Habfan17

    • Ozmodiar says:

      > Trading him for a late first round pick doesn’t make us better now, or in the future.

      Well, it might make the team better in the future. Certainly, you can’t say it won’t make the team better in the future.

      • DoopsyDiddler says:

        The value of a late first round pick is roughly equal to a 3rd liner 5 years from now.

        Would you have Marky for the next three years or a borderline NHLer in 2019?

        • Ozmodiar says:

          > The value of a late first round pick is roughly equal to a 3rd liner 5 years from now.

          Unless you’re Shea Weber, Duncan Keith, or PK Subban. :) Yeah, I’m cherry picking a bit, but you get my point.

          >Would you have Marky for the next three years or a borderline NHLer in 2019?

          Let’s say it’s a 3rd liner, as you mentioned. I’ll take the 3rd liner 5 years from now over nothing.

        • Habfan17 says:

          Hmmm, Claude Giroux, Tuuka Rask, Simeon Varlemov, Max Pacioretty, Logan Couture, Jordan Eberle, Erik Karlsson, Ryan O’Reilly, Chris Kreider, Calvin De Haan, Tyler Toffoli, Jaden Schwartz, ………

          Habfan17

    • LizardKing12 says:

      It isn’t just about this season. You don’t pay a player for past/current performance you pay them for what they will do in the future. Maybe next year Markov will still be worth roughly 6 mil but in years 2 and 3 that is highly debatable. His defensive capabilities have already begun to diminish and his offensive output will regress you can look at any offensive dman of his caliber in the past and a majority do not produce at the same rate after the age of 35.

      We’ve also seen Markov become less effective as the season wears on this year and last year. Markov came out of the gate this season looking like he did pre-injury. In Oct-Nov he played 27 games and had 18 points and a +14 rating. From December until the olympic break he has played 32 games putting up 13 points and is -7. In oct-nov he had 3 games with a minus rating. In the 32 games since then he has 14 games with a minus rating. Similarly last year in the shortened season in the first 24 games he put up 15 points and a -1 rating in the last 24 he also put up 15 points but was -8.

      He is showing that as the season goes on he gets worse defensively probably due to wear and tear. Furthermore his point production is declining on a yearly basis. Prior to his injuries he had 58, 64 and 34 (in 48 games which prorates to 62 in 82). Since then he had 30 points in 48 last season (prorates to 51) and now has 31 in 59 (prorates to 43). Do you really think his point production will take a turn for the better at ages 35, 36 and 37? He is trending towards a decline in both point production and defensive capabilities. His value will never get higher than it is right now, assets for the future will benefit the habs more when their young guns are making the jump in 2-3 years than a declining Markov will at that point unfortunately.

      • CJ says:

        Excellent post. A player in decline, yet he wants a pay raise and term? Not a great combination.

        It will take a GM with major resolve to make the kind of deal that will have benefits down the road. To those who suggest that we could trade Markov next year, sure we could, but his value will never be higher then it is right now.

        If rumours are to be taken at face value, it appears that Bergevin has bounced the ball squarely into Markov’s court by offering $6 million for one year. His next move will determine his future with the organization. Take the deal, or stand firm at 3 years.

        General, the choice is yours.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Very good post! Nice to have stats to back things up!!

        Habfan17

  28. Ian Cobb says:

    Matt Moulson may be headed to the Hab’s.
    Not sure what we are sending the other way.
    Probably a few cases of 24 Molson!

    This is only rumor from a very good source

  29. Ozmodiar says:

    Bergevin himself has said the Habs will be ready to compete as a serious cup contender in about 3 years.

    Where will Markov be in 3 years?

    I’m not saying he should be traded, but the possibility should be explored. Hopefully MB is making some calls.

    Personally, I’d do it if the return was a forward prospect that projects as a top 6 player + 1st round pick.

    I really hope something is done before the trade deadline because that’s when the bargaining power shifts to Markov’s side.

  30. CJ says:

    On the eve of what will prove to be a brutally difficult stretch of schedule, I ask, where do we really stand? Three weeks ago, we were headed for the draft lottery. Fans wanted drastic changes. Now, on the heals of a 5-1-1 record in our last seven, I have read that we are one player away from being a Stanley Cup contending team.

    Folks, nothing has changed. We will go as far as our goaltending will take us. We will continue to fight to score goals and will struggle in the playoffs as we are small down the middle. Sure, if we had Jeff Carter in place of DD and Logan Courture instead of Gionta maybe we are going somewhere, but we don’t and won’t. The players we most covet will need to be drafted and developed. Nobody is giving us the assets we need to make a serious run. We can add a complimentary piece via the UFA maket, but it is desperately thin. Maybe an RFA offer sheet, but they are risky and could carry implications going forward.

    We have one of the top four goaltenders in the world (maybe the best right now), which will help carry us going forward. However, until we address the glaring deficiencies, we are a good, but not great team.

    Personally, I think a 4-4-2 record over the next ten games would be a terrific result. Anything better and we will have all but sowed up a playoff spot. Anything worse and it gets very interesting.

    • Ozmodiar says:

      We are one player away from being a SC contender – Crosby.

    • Habfan17 says:

      This is the pattern that has got the Habs where they are now. Trade picks and prospects for a player that may get us to a cup this year, we will worry about next year later! Yes, the Habs did finally have good run. They aren’t as good as the run and they aren’t as bad as the slump.

      As painfully slow as it can be, I like that Bergevin has begun working through the draft and has upgraded the player development team. He has also targeted the weakness of size and grit role players by signing some free agents like Fournier.

      This last run masks the fact that the Habs are still a ways away and should leverage every asset to improve in the future. If that means trading current UFA’s, so be it.

      Very good post CJ!

      Habfan17

  31. habsguru says:

    post gremlins at it again?

  32. canuckbot says:

    Price’s carefully worded quote wraps it’s warm arms around his buddy P.K. I love those guys!

  33. 24 Cups says:

    Re: Trading Markov at the deadline.

    I mentioned below that I thought the Habs may well fall out of the playoffs if Markov was traded. Here’s my thought process.

    Any trade is going to come during the next ten days. That would mean Montreal would be playing the toughest part of their schedule without Markov. The logical replacement would be Beaulieu. That means he would man the PP with Subban and help participate on the PK. This from a team that is already using a guy like Murray as their 5th Dman. As well, the team might suffer a damaging blow to it’s psyche. The players are all jacked up for a playoff run and then the team jettisons one of their top half dozen players for future prospects. I think my reaction would be WTF if I’m a player.

    • Not gonna happen.

      Welcome home to our Canadian Canadiens.

      Sooby and Pricey are GOLD!!!

    • Habfan17 says:

      Thank you for adding your reasons. I would counter with, PK can actually take up the slack on the penalty kill, Emelin did play the power play in the KHL, but I will say, this is an area that may have a short term let down. A far as the psyche, it could have the opposite effect. The players may take it as the GM and coach believe in us and are giving us the opportunity, let’s show them they were right!

      All in all, if a team offered fair value for Markov, I still think trading him is the way to go.

      Habfan17

    • CJ says:

      Or, a player might think opportunity has knocked. Open the door for a guy like Subban to play big minutes. Everyone else assumes a larger role. Sometimes these losses are not as deflating as you might think. These are professional who have either been traded themselves or have seen friends and teammates traded from the time they were in junior hockey.

      In 2009-2010 Markov played 45 games. Habs finished with 88 points and made the playoffs.

      In 2010-2011 Markov played 7 games. Habs finished with 96 points and made the playoffs.

      In 2011-2012 Markov played 13 games. Habs finished with 78 points and missed the playoffs.

      Combined record during those three seasons 114-98-34. To those who suggest that we are a lottery team, history tells us that this is simply not the case. I will not dismiss the 2011-2012 season. That was a bad year. Markov’s loss hurt the team, but it could be argued that there were many, many factors that contributed to the team’s dimise.

      2010-2011 Markov played seven games, yet we managed 96 points. We were a game seven overtime from beating the Bruins, the eventual Stanley Cup champion. I firmly believe that this refutes the notion that we are a lottery team without the General.

      Again, my two cents…..

      • Habfan17 says:

        hey CJ,

        Thank you for taking the time to dig up the stats. Great post.
        Very valid points, at this point the players do know it is a business and they want to win! If it gives them more opportunity and brings back something the other players know will help, they should embrace the change!
        Cheers, 17

        Habfan17

    • Cal says:

      No kidding. If the Habs were well out of a playoff spot, I could understand the logic behind moving him. Would we miss Gio or Moen as much? I am thinking no. However, it will be tough to land anyone that can help Pleks line offensively.

      • Habfan17 says:

        If the Devils were to trade Jagr and a 1st for Markov, given he resigns in New jersey, then would you take it. Pleks has his right winger and could have Galchenyuk on his left. That would make it possible for Bergevin to move Gionta and Moen. The 4th line would be fine with Prust, White and Weise!

        This is just one possible scenario.

        Habfan17

        • Cal says:

          Nope. Jagr displayed last playoff what he does when the pay stops coming. Replacing Markov for someone even longer in the tooth is not in the cards, even with a first. MB will not trade unless it’s for picks and prospects, but the mandate from Molson is clear: make the playoffs.
          Let’s face it: the Habs are not likely to move more than 1 player and, possibly, 2. these moves will be made with an eye for the future, not this season’s playoffs. I’d love for the Habs to land Evander Kane or Chris Stewart, but the price will be too high.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Great points! I was trying to give one example, but I do agree and my posts are towards the same goal, a better team for the future and for the long haul

            Habfan17

      • boing007 says:

        Chris Stewart?

        Richard R

    • boing007 says:

      So, forget future prospects. Get someone who can help the team now.

      Richard R

  34. scrotchland says:

    yes trade markoff but get rid of cheerleader Gorges for a bag of pucks and a broken stick at same time., this franchise is a joke compared to the glory days. If you think you will win with Therian as coach you are dillusional.

  35. Maritime Ronn says:

    Regarding Markov and his UFA value, look no further than what Mark Streit signed for with Philly last year.
    4 years/$21M.

    That is the market – and it may be even more with an increased Cap next year along with more projections of increases to come.

    Interestingly enough, Markov will be the exact same age this summer as Streit was last summer when he becomes a UFA

    On the open market, Markov would fetch at least Streit’s numbers – gimpy knees and all.

    Markov would bring a lot to a team with a young D corps – not forgetting the huge intangibles.
    Apart from that, he would not have to play 25 minutes a game.
    A top 4 PP QB, and less PK minutes would be fine.

    Home team discounts for BIG term and money do not exist.
    For Markov to stay in Montreal, it will take at least 3 years/$18M.
    If the Habs aren’t ready to go there – or want to go only 2 years/$10M, he is gone.
    He can always summer in Montreal….

    • Habfan17 says:

      I get that Markov wants market value and I respect him. I just don’t see him being worth the risk given his play over the last 1o games, players blowing past him like a pylon, his age, also meaning that even if he retired, his remaining salary would count against the cap, his knees, and the fact he will hold a spot that either Tinordi or Beaulieu would fill. It is a numbers game. To make room for Tinordi and or Beaulieu, who do you take out? Emelin? Gorges? Boullion and Murray will probably not be back. PK is going no where! Drewiskie is a solid 7th defenceman and cap friendly. Markov should get the Habs a decent return, even as a rental.

      Habfan17

    • Paz says:

      How crazy it has been to see Markov being burned out on the penalty kill all year, and Subban sitting on the bench resting!

      Even if you are the 2nd biggest Therrien supporter behind only his family, you must accept that this is a huge mistake.

      It’s a mistake for the Habs hopes in the stretch run as Markov runs out of gas.

      Oh well.

  36. Plekasuares says:

    Ok let’s trade Markov and Plekanec and see how we do!!!! Great!

    • CJ says:

      Good morning bud. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone suggest we trade Pleks. I might have missed it though. He carries a decent contract and is still locked up. No sense moving him, unless you got an insane offer. IMO, DD is the centre that needs to go moving forward, but I’ll leave that for another thread.

      Markov is only rumoured as he’s a UFA. I’m fine with signing him to a one year deal, two at the absolute most (if it’s a friendly $), but if he is holding firm at 3 years, then it’s fair game to explore other options.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hey CJ! I pinted out below that just as some think the Habs will tank if they trade Markov, some say the same about Pleks. I did say that he has peaked and would bring a great return and that if he would bring that power winger the Habs need, he could be moved with Eller and Galchenyuk being younger and still getting better.

        I do agree, DD should go as he fits the least, long term. Having Galchenyuk, Eller, Bournival and White as the centres in my opinion would be strong gong forward. I love what Pleks brings, but I do think we tend to over value him. Please see my point below. If he would bring a true top 6 power winger, I would trade him.

        Habfan17

        • CJ says:

          Just read it. Good post. Thank you for sharing. CJ

        • Ozmodiar says:

          > Galchenyuk, Eller, Bournival and White

          That’s a pretty weak group of centers, TBH. None of the 4 have demonstrated they can do the job, in those specific positions, on a consistent basis.

          - Chucky – promising, but has only played the odd shift at C. Not proven to be ready yet, especially on the 1st line.
          - Larry – solid #3, has had stretches where he looks like a #2, but not consistently
          - Bournival – hasn’t played in the middle @ NHL level
          - White – playing well now, but has been in and out of the line-up over his career. An upgrade would be nice here.

          • Habfan17 says:

            That is a pretty negative outlook. Bournival is a centre, Eller does more that gores unnoticed in a game than he is given credit for and if Therrien would stop messing with him, he would do fine as a 2nd line centre. Galchenyuk if treated the same way as DD or MacKinnon would probably be dojng much better at centre than he has done so far.

            Habfan17

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Realistic as usual Oz.

          • Ozmodiar says:

            ’17, I agree with what you’re saying, but words like “if” and “promising” don’t exactly rebut my points.

        • Cal says:

          The price for a power winger would be much higher than Pleks.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yahoo!!

      Habfan17

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Plex isn’t going anywhere.
      Markov? The business of hockey will decide…

    • boing007 says:

      Markov can go, Pleks should stay.

      Richard R

  37. Maritime Ronn says:

    Morning CJ

    RFA Offer Sheets are a dangerous game to play.

    1) An Offer Sheet can always be matched, and ultimately they begin to set an NHL wide salary structure for perhaps players that don’t warrant either the money or term.
    They could also mess up an individual team’s structure.

    2) Payback: Another danger is doing it to another team could cause payback in the future and force a team to overpay its own RFA.

    3) Compensation:
    This was last year’s table:

    $1,110,249 or below None.
    Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 3rd round pick.
    Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 2nd round pick.
    Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 1st and 3rd round pick.

    Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick.

    Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 Two 1st’s, one 2nd, one 3rd round pick.

    Over $8,410,976 Four 1st round picks.

    There are several risks when getting into the high end market concerning compensation.
    Teams must also possess their own picks as compensation and not another team’s picks via trades.

    • CJ says:

      Good morning Ronn.

      Florida is one of the few teams I would play that game with. If it was a matter of giving up a 1st and 3rd for Grudbranson to sign him for 7 years at $35 million, that’s a risk I’m willing to take. With any luck, the picks we hand over are at the very end of the first and third round.

      Great post. Cheers, CJ

      • Maritime Ronn says:

        Good point, yet I believe Florida has solidified its ownership recently with the sale to Vincent Viola last September
        “… Viola, the Panthers’ prospective new owner, has deep pockets, with a net worth north of $1 billion.”

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          ” Florida Panthers Owner Vincent Viola Is Selling His NYC Townhouse For $114 Million.”
          :-)

          • CJ says:

            Strange thing with these guys. Some are willing to spend, some are not. Look at Melnyk in Ottawa. Billionaire (per Forbes), yet he has imposed a team salary cap.

            Florida may be forced to spend just to make the cap floor, but I would certainly pursue the issue. Would Florida match the offer (7 years, $35 million), I honestly don’t know.

  38. 24 Cups says:

    Prust’s injury record is starting to get me down. I think in terms of future depth charts it’s best to mark him as the Hab’s 4th line LW. In a perfect world Bournival becomes Montreal’s 3rd line left winger next season behind MaxPac and Galchenyuk. Moen becomes one of the two subs.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I would agree with you. It make Moen redundant. I did read that the Sharks want to add depth for the playoffs, maybe Bergevin could move Moen there for something. Prust White and Weise would be a very solid 4th line. Bournival could definitely play 3rd line left wing until someone else is ready. I would rather see Bournival as the 3rd line centre. That would mean one or two of the current centres being traded since Galchenyuk should also move to centre soon.

      Habfan17

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Yah, I’m guessing this is shoulder injury again, which I’m starting to wonder if it is chronic. The Olympic break was probably excellent for him, but it is concerning.

    • CJ says:

      As I’ve mentioned, Prust is the same as Callahan, Clowe and Clarkson. All great character guys. All guys I’d love to have on my team, but you don’t want to get stuck with them when the music stops.

      Somebody is going to give Callahan seven years at $6.5 to $7 million per season. He has reportedly already turned down $6.5.

      The problem with these guys is it’s not easy to flip the switch and stop playing the physical brand of hockey that got them to this level. Prust is a warrior, but so long as he is with us, he will forever battle injuries.

    • Cal says:

      Prust is pretty much done given the style he wants to play. Heart of a lion. Shoulders like marshmallows. Hard working guy who must stop fighting in order to stay in the league. One more fight could screw up his shoulder(s) permanently.

  39. CJ says:

    Good morning folks. Love reading the back and forth regarding Markov. Feels great to be talking Canadiens hockey again!

    If I may, I’d like to address a couple of great points brought forward last night. Firstly, the issue of trading within your conference;

    With the new playoff alignment, I believe it important to avoid trading within your division, however a move within the same conference should not be so easily dismissed. Wild cards aside, there won’t be any playoff crossover until the conference finals. I mentioned Washington as a hypothetical trading partner because their first round pick could still end up being a top ten. I also think they are trading from a position of weakness, which will force them to pay more. I think this is McPhee’s last chance. Missing the playoffs this season should spell the end for him in the Capital. Again, desperate people do desperate things. I think the Vancouver suggestion is a great one, however I don’t know that they have the pieces we covet. Further, I think they are a breath away from taking a major step backwards, so they should really consider becoming sellers to speed up the building process.

    Lastly, I still suggest that Montreal take a long look at pending RFA’s. Either by trade now, or offer sheet in the summer. It’s about time one of the haves raided a have not. They have been stealing our revenue sharing to keep hockey afloat in a market propped up by Canadian snowbirds, let’s now take one of the star players they tanked to draft.

    Looking forward to a great day! Cheers, CJ

    • Habfan17 says:

      Washington also makes sense if Ovechkin would benefit from having Markov. To me it really comes down to who offers the best return. Markov is 35, he won’t come back to haunt the Habs for long.

      Habfan17

  40. Habfan17 says:

    I find it funny that some think that the Habs will fall apart and tank if Bergevin trades Markov.

    I believe that Tinordi was brought up to see if he is ready, not because they have an issue with Beaulieu as some have speculated.
    They know Beaulieu did very well during his call up. Now they need to see if Tinordi is ready so they can possibly make a trade.

    Beaulieu can eat the majority f Markov’s minutes if they trade him.
    If Tinordi proves he is ready to stay, they still have Gorges and Emelin on the left side with Subban and Beaulieu on the right.
    the 3rd pair would be made up from Tinordi, Boullion, Drewiskie and Murray. Perhaps Pateryn.

    Will it hurt short term trading Markov, for sure, but I doubt it would be the disaster some are conjuring up!

    Chris made some great points regarding Buffalo earlier. The Habs need to move the UFA’s for whatever teams are willing to give so the Habs do not lose then for nothing.

    As Bergevin has said, free agency fills holes, not builds teams as a rule. The Habs hold their evaluation camps and will have a good idea who may be ready for next season and what holes then need to fill.

    Time to move forward and prepare for many years of competitive hockey instead of hoping they can make the playoffs and do well this season. Sentimentality is a luxury hockey teams cannot afford anymore!

    Habfan17

    • Habfan17 says:

      Please, before anyone uses Lindstrom as an example, remember, Detroit was a true contender, Lidstrom did not have two major surgeries on his knee, and how many players are truly effective when they are past 36 years old? Jagr, Selanne, and Lidstrom are exceptions!

      Habfan17

    • CJ says:

      Good points 17. The Flyers absorbed the loss of Pronger (103 points and a first round series win) and the Senators absorbed the loss of Karlsson (their only series win in 7 years).

      Lastly, without the General, it would be PK time! Give him 30 minutes a night and a role on special teams. Right now it’s Marky, then PK. Without Marky, maybe PK moves to the front of the bus and grows his profile even further?

      • Habfan17 says:

        Thanks CJ! I do agree, moving Markov would help players like PK!
        Yes, indeed, you can’t compare Lidstrom. I find the same problem when I mention it may be time to trade Pleks.

        My logic, he will not get better and Eller and Galchenyuk offer more upside and Pleks’s value won’t be higher so the Habs may be able to turn him into a power winger that they really need.

        My justification to those who say he is too good is to throw Alfredson as an example, Alfredson faced a similar situation in Ottawa. Always having players put on his line to mentor or get out of slumps. Had to be the defensively responsible player on his line, yet, even at 39, put up more points than Pleks.

        I still say moving Pleks should be considered.

        Habfan17

    • Cal says:

      Inexperienced D loses games. Why do you think the Habs held on to Hamrlik for so long?
      There are a few good Dmen that are young and inexperienced in the NHL. Tyler Myers was supposed to be such a great Dman. Then, they handed him an insane contract and he became Mr. Ordinary and worse. Presuming there will not be a drop off in wins because Markov is gone is short-sighted. Believing that Markov does not help the team win right now is a little silly.

    • 24 Cups says:

      If Montreal trades Markov at this year’s deadline, they will miss the playoffs for the next two years. That much you can count on. I seriously doubt that Molson will be very happy about that notion. He also has no thought of pulling a Buffalo rebuild. None.

      As for Beaulieu and Tinordi, they are still just prospects, Markov is the real deal who eats up 26 minutes a night. Beaulieu shows solid promise but right now he couldn’t tie up Markov’s skates.

      The key for the Hab defense moving forward is the ability of one or two guys to switch sides. I still don’t understand why Gorges isn’t the best candidate seeing he did it for two years when Gill was here. Regardless, next year’s D could look something like this:
      LD – Markov, Gorges, Beaulieu
      RD – Subban, Emelin, UFA with size and experience
      Spare – Tinordi or Pateryn or Nygren

      • CJ says:

        Fair points. I disagree, but you make good points. Would you not agree Karlsson is more valuable to the Sens then Marky is to the Habs? Same with Chris Pronger. Yet, in both cases the team made the playoffs.

        To surmise that Montreal falls for two consecutive years because they are missing their 35 old General is a stretch. I think, whether we have him or not, we still squeak in. I think the western road trip will take some of the wind out of our sails and bring the east even closer then it is now. Our 7 point cushion should be enough to coast in. Price can win us a series, but we are not one player away as others have suggested.

      • Habfan17 says:

        I would like to know how you come to this conclusion with facts.
        Many other teams have made the playoffs after losing better players than Markov. I also believe the Habs did make the playoffs when he was out with his inuries. That was when they did not have PK!

        Habfan17

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree Steve.

  41. habs-hampton says:

    Maybe I missed it, but is Beaulieu still in Hamilton? Are they back to platooning NB, JT and GP?

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes he is, but I think it will be a short stay. With the trade deadline coming up, I believe Bergevin wanted to see if Tinordi is ready to stay.

      Habfan17

  42. Marc10 says:

    So here we go for the stretch drive and the silly trades season.

    A couple questions for the HIO gang (smart dog style):

    1) Are the Habs going to make the playoffs?

    2) Will teams (and I’m including those that are out of the running) play the Habs just a bit harder now that they’ll be facing the Gold Medal winning goaltender?

    3) Will PK Subban score a couple against Detroit to prove a point or will he try to do too much?

    4) Will Ryan White pick up where he left off before the break with his buddy Weise and keep our fourth line humming?

    5) Who get traded (if any) of Markov, Gio, Bourque and Moen?

    Bonus question: If you had to put a fiver down today, who wins the Cup?

    • Habilis says:

      1) Yep.
      2) I don’t think it will make a difference. There’s 22 games left, everyone will be playing hard. Even those out of the running are pros.
      3) I’m actually afraid that he’ll do too little. I fear (small fear, but it’s there) he may try to show Babcock that he too can be a shutdown D-man. Get away from what makes him special. In all probability though, he’ll just be P.K.
      4) No reason why not.
      5) Moen becomes redundant if Weise continues to play well. He’s first to go. Bourque and Gio are possibilities too, but far less likely IMO. Markov isn’t getting traded.

      Bonus: Habs, because Price and it’s 5 bucks. But seriously, I guess I go with the Hawks to repeat. Unless the Blues get Miller without giving up a significant roster player. Then they walk to it, IMHO. If they pull that off, it will remind me of ’96 when the Avs got Roy. The entire NHL knew it was over.

      • Marc10 says:

        1. Right there with you
        2) You’re probably right. Should be a rock em sock em affair to the finish regardless (especially after the refs let Gally get teed off on by the Jets)
        3) I think PK will play that much more clinically and prove his point as he always has
        4) I hope so.
        5) I think Moen is a strong candidate. Weise’s speed and instant chemistry with White helped.
        Bonus: I think St Louis is a good bet. So is SJ.

    • JUST ME says:

      1- yes
      2-no
      3-no
      4-yes
      5- a nice package deal with a little bow for a big name player on wich we can build on would be nice.

      Bonus. Chicago

    • Cal says:

      1. Barely, but yes. 2. All teams get up to play the Habs- except for the one that have beaten them easily this year. 3. A hattie while smiling at Babcock all the while. 4. Yup. 5. Gio and Moen are likely, but the Habs GM likes sitting on his hands. It keeps them warm.
      Bonus- Anaheim

  43. Chris says:

    Looking forwards, the Buffalo Sabres have some stupid talent in their system. They are going to land another top 3 draft pick this spring, and they have 3 2nd round picks. They will probably try dealing Ryan Miller this spring (St. Louis?) and that could net another 1st round pick or a good young player (Chris Stewart?). Matt Moulson could net a 1st rounder or a good prospect for a team desperate for scoring. Steve Ott could be good for a prospect and a 2nd rounder, maybe a 1st rounder from a desperate contender. If they tank another year, they could land McDavid. And then the Habs are sunk.

    That team scares the living crap out of me as they are pulling a Chicago/Pittsburgh before our eyes. If they luck/suck into McDavid, I’m going to puke. This is the problem with “building for the future”. We can’t suck as much as Buffalo or Edmonton, who are just loading for bear. We’re adding role players, while they add superstars.

    The Oilers are going to get ANOTHER freaking top-3 pick this season. They can start dealing some of their young forwards for depth, because they’ve got too much talent. The Oilers, contrary to popular belief, actually do have some stellar defencemen prospects coming up…they just develop slower than the forwards. But with guys like Klefbom, Musil, Marincin, Nurse and Gernat now reaching the age where the Oilers can start working them in with Schultz, they’ve got an embarassment of riches coming up. And they’re looking poised to nab Aaron Ekblad, one of the top all-around defencemen to hit the CHL in years.

    Throw Ekblad and Nurse into the mix, and the Oilers much maligned defence is suddenly formidable.

    • Habilis says:

      I couldn’t agree more regarding Buffalo. They are going to get really good, really fast. Your McDavid fear is completely justified, and I share it. That kid will play in many NHL playoff games, I think. If we can’t somehow get him, I want him far, far away. L.A. or San Jose would do.

      Consider too that Buffalo basically already has 2 first rounders in 2015, theirs and the Isles’ (this assumes that the Isles keep their pick this year, which looks like a safe bet).

      Trading Miller (who I could easily see going for 2 first rounders) and Moulson as you said, will probably get them at least one more for 2015. That’d give them 10% of the first round picks before the puck even drops for the 14/15 season. That’s scary. Even scarier when you consider the new lottery format.

      • Chris says:

        The stupid thing is I have had a completely irrational dislike for the Sabres. It is like hating puppies, but I can’t help myself.

        That defence corps is scary. If they were to somehow land Ekblad (instead of the Oilers), and then somehow luck into McDavid, imagine playing a team with this defence corps in 5 years:

        Tyler Myers (6’8″, 220 lbs.)
        Aaron Ekblad (6’4″, 215 lbs.)
        Nikita Zadorov (6’5″, 227 lbs.)
        Rasmus Ristolainen (6’3″, 207 lbs.)
        Brayden McNabb (6’4″, 215 lbs.)
        Jake McCabe (6’1″, 210 lbs.)
        Mark Pysyk (6’1″, 192 lbs.)

        That is a big, mobile defence with some good offensive ability in Myers, Ekblad, Ristolainen and McCabe. Zadorov is nasty.

        Up front, they’ve got Grigorenko, Girgensons, Armia, Bailey, Compher, plus whatever they mine out of the next couple of drafts, which should be impressive.

        Blech.

        While I want to see McDavid play, I don’t want to see him torching the Habs 6 times per year. Phoenix sounds like a lovely spot for him.

        • Habilis says:

          Yep. Scary stuff indeed.

          It’s going to be pretty weird next season, what with everyone having a real interest in the bottom of the standings. I know it’s always like that to some extent, but it’s not always a player like McDavid. We haven’t seen this in a very long time. Since Lindros I’d say. Crosby came after the year which will not be spoken of, and nobody has come close to that combo of skill and promise at that age since him, IMO at least.

    • Marc10 says:

      A super tank strategy coupled with judicious drafts by the Sabres would hurt the Habs, the Sens, the Leafs and the Wings real bad.

      The only way that works in anyone else’s favour is Buffalo being the worst place on earth to live in – which it is by many accounts. By the time the kids are ready to win a cup… they’ll also be ready to jump ship… for more prospects and picks!

    • Cal says:

      The problem with Edmonton’s young Dmen prospects is that they are just that: prospects. All of them will not pan out, because, when the reality of playing in the NHL hits them, they may not be up to the task.
      Buffalo still has to make the right choice to get “superstars”. Last I looked, there aren’t that many in the mix this coming Draft Day. Good prospects yes, but superstars?
      Habs will have it tough because not one team in the NHL wants Montreal to improve, so no team will trade a stellar player to the Habs. It hasn’t happened since the 70s and I don’t see it happening now. Signing an occasional “coveted” UFA, sure, but I don’t see much of anything happening using the trade route. The Habs would have to give up something great to get a fair return. Under MB’s watch, I just don’t see it happening.

      • Chris says:

        For some reason, the media has not been too high on Aaron Ekblad. He’s a legitimate superstar. His offensive production going into his draft year was right there with any defenceman currently in the NHL. He’s very good defensively. He’s big (6’4″, 215 lbs. already) and he’s mobile. Good shot. Leadership. Smart.

        Ekblad is the whole package. He is, by far, the best defenceman prospect out of the OHL since Pietrangelo, and I think he is actually better than Pietrangelo thus far. How many 17 year old defencemen have played an important role for Canada’s World Junior team? I think you would have to go back to Jay Bouwmeester to find one.

    • Habfan17 says:

      This is scary! All the more reason for Bergevin to trade all the UFA’s for whatever they can get. Montreal is never bad enough to get into the top three without winning the lottery, nor would the fans or media tolerate being that bad. If that means taking a step backward this season, so be it. I would rather that and add some more oieces and picks, than to hold onto them and get rubbed out in the first round, then lose them for nothing.

      Watching players blow by Markov, you have to wonder, is it worth having him around for 3 more seasons at $6 million per as a power play specialist when Tinordi and Beaulieu need to have spots. His trade value will go down and his speed won’t get better. Emelin is younger and plays the left side, Gorges is a lefty, and Drewiskie, also a lefty, now that his shoulder is repaired, makes a good 7th D.
      The Habs need to stop moving left d-men to the right side. They do have Pateryn and Nygren who should also be ready next season and they are righties. I would rather move forward with
      Tinordi, Subban
      Beaulieu, Pateryn
      Emelin, Nygren
      Drewiskie, and move Gorges and Markov.

      Habfan17

  44. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    CJ mentioned Erik Gudbranson. That’s the type of player the Habs need. Young, big, mean and RH so a perfect complement to Gorges. Build a wall around Price and this team will go far.

  45. GL says:

    If we could get something good for markov do it. We’re not even close to winning a Stanley cup. we’ll be ousted in the 1st round. Make trades to improve the team for a Stanley cup run in a year or two!!

  46. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    Guys look. There is an interesting parallel in the NBA. The Raptors traded Rudy Gay, their star. and since the trade their youngsters have been fantastic. It took vision and nads to do that. Relax, breath and trade Markov now while he still has value…there that was easier than you thought it would be…wasn’t it? …Rookies!

    Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
    24 cups and counting….

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Best GM in the NBA by far…

    • Habfan17 says:

      I posted yesterday that since Markov wants more than the year Bergevin offered, that if a team offers a solid return, trade Markov and I got the ” then where will the Habs be” nonsense.

      They are not true contenders and won’t be for at least a couple of years. I agree, move out Markov, Gionta, any UFA that a team will take and look towards the future. Ottawa did a mini re-tool when they traded the very popular Mike Fischer and that worked out well for them.

      Habfan17

  47. jols says:

    @Chris, Eerie, Guelph and London look like the monster teams in the OHL this season. London is in the Memorial Cup as hosts, will Guelph or Eerie being joining them? The East doesn’t look like it has a contender, maybe Oshawa?

    • Chris says:

      I thought Guelph and Erie might battle it out, but London has been coming on strong and they just have ridiculous depth. I won’t be surprised if they emerge victorious…their line chaos has finally palyed itself out and they have four deep lines. Still not convinced about their defence, but those forwards are stacked.

      Erie has a very strong, balanced team. The Storm, my team, are a Jeckyll and Hyde team: when they are good, they are unbeatable. But of the Big Three, they are the most likely to lay eggs here and there.

      Western Conference playoffs, with Sault Ste. Marie, Windsor and Saginaw all capable of upsets, are going to be absoute war this spring.

      The East has a couple of teams that could cause trouble. Oshawa is good, but watch out for Kingston. That team has some good pieces and could surprise. Unfortunately, it is Kingston so they will find some way to get swept in the first round. That franchise is cursed.

  48. joeybarrie says:

    Trading Markov would be plain stupid.

  49. SherbrookeW says:

    Trading Markov is just the kind of thing bad organizations do. He’s still a valuable player, even at six million he’s about at normal value for a player of his skills, and what you could get for him would be iffy at best — even a high first round pick takes more time than the Habs have.
    The central truth about the Habs is not that they are building for some remote future — it is that their best players are entering their primes right now. They need to build for the now.
    Habs Since ’68

    • Chris says:

      Unfortunately, Montreal simply does not have the horses to compete with Chicago, St. Louis, or Los Angeles in a 7 game series. Those teams are too big, fast and physical for the Habs. I think San Jose would also give them fits in a 7 game series, as they don’t take penalties at the best of times, and their speed and size is a bad match-up for the Habs.

      In the East, they would struggle against the Bruins and the Penguins, although both those teams are more vulnerable this year than last. The Habs can go for an Eastern Conference run, but a Stanley Cup run is probably a pipe dream. If Montreal were lucky enough to win out the East, and that would be a huge if, I don’t see them as a team that could take out whichever Western power emerges.

      Montreal doesn’t have much help coming on the horizon. Players like Collberg, De La Rose, Crisp, McCarron and Bozon are all at least 2-3 years away from being contributors at the NHL level.

      Montreal’s best players are entering their prime now. Unfortunately, their best players are not particularly elite. We’re hoping for big things from Galchenyuk and Eller, because it is only if those two guys take a BIG step forward that the Habs have a chance to jump out of playoff mediocrity.

      We know what Plekanec, Gorges, Pacioretty, Desharnais, etc. can do in the playoffs. It hasn’t been good enough in the past, so I have no reason to expect they are going to carry a team now. Gionta and Markov are travelling on the wrong side of the hill now…they can still be useful, but they probably shouldn’t be expected to play huge minutes if you want to contend.

      Montreal’s two elite players, Subban and Price, are basically the equivalent of Weber and Renne in Nashville. And that pairing, even with another elite player in Suter, never got much accomplished in the playoffs. Sedin/Sedin/Luongo had one good run, but many other years of huge frustration in Vancouver. What killed those teams is that the supporting cast was pretty mediocre. So is Montreal’s.

      • Phil C says:

        While I don’t disagree with your assessment of the Western teams, whoever comes out East will definitely have a shot. The Western champ will have played at least two, maybe three very tough rounds. It is possible whoever comes out of the West could be pretty banged up, just like Vancouver in 2011.

        • Chris says:

          Perhaps, but Boston was every bit as powerful as the Western powers. They were deep, physical, and had a fantastic team defensive system.

          Montreal is shallow, not physical, and prone to fire drills in their own zone. I honestly believe they would get creamed by whoever came out of the West, regardless of how battered and bruised that team was.

          • Phil C says:

            We are talking about the same team that the Habs took to overtime in game 7 and played three 7-game series’? The Bruins were not that good. A slow, plodding defense that could not move the puck and an anemic power play. They relied heavily on their goaltending that year. The Canucks would have won easily if Kessler had been healthy and played like he did against Nashville.

          • Chris says:

            Montreal always gets in Boston’s head. They are to the Bruins what the Flyers seem to be for the Habs.

            But let’s not kid ourselves. The Bruins absolutely were good.

            With the acquisitions of Peverley and Kelly at the deadline, they had three scoring lines that could hurt you:

            Horton-Krejci-Lucic was a tough, physical line that produced lots of goals (25 goals in 25 games).

            Marchand-Bergeon-Recchi shut down every line they played against while also torching them offensively (combining for 22 goals in 25 games).

            Ryder-Kelly-Peverley also played strong defensive hockey and posted very good third line numbers (17 goals in 25 games). And

            Paille-Campbell-Thornton was the best fourth line in all of hockey, and it wasn’t even close.

            Tyler Seguin wasn’t used until the third round, but that is one hell of a 13th forward.

            Yes, their PP was anemic. But they had the 8th best offence, the 3rd best defence, and the 2nd best goal differential (only behind Vancouver) in the regular season. They had a pair of Vezina Trophy calibre goaltenders in Thomas and Rask. And they had a Norris Trophy winner on defence.

            Throw in their fanatical commitment to defence plus a coach that knows his business (despite being a hookah-loving desert-based gangster) and you’ve got an awfully powerful team. Once they got past Montreal, it was all systems go.

            Boston is a team that you need to out early, because they get tougher as the playoffs wear on.

          • tophab says:

            we will beat boston we are better.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Their best players are entering their primes. Who would that be?
      Pleks will never be better than he is, defencemen tend to reach their primes around 26/27. Gorges won’t be better, Markov wants too much term and money. He is over 35 so if he decides to retire after the first year, the last two seasons will still count against the cap.

      The core is not at their prime yet and the Habs won’t be real contenders for at least a couple of seasons. Move out Gionta and get something and trade Markov. Bergevin can add some veteran experience to fill in around the core during the off season. Players who add what is missing, sandpaper and size.

      Habfan17

  50. Phil C says:

    The Habs simply do not have the depth to trade Markov without tanking. They have no one to replace his minutes, especially on the PP. They didn’t even have anyone to replace Emelin’s minutes, and we all saw what happened when he was missing. They are already short a top-four defensemen if you ask me, so losing Markov as well would almost guarantee missing the playoffs or a quick first round massacre.

    The impact of losing a player has less to do with how good the player is and more to do with the player used to replace him.

    • Mr.Habs71sv says:

      Price can unwind on the golf course after the Habs tank in the playoffs. Another gold medal wow. Please. Stanley cup please.

      Till next time….

    • Habfan17 says:

      I don’t agree that trading Markov means the Habs will tank.
      Beaulieu proved he could more than hold his own when he was up. I don’t believe that Tinordi was called up because the Habs were unhappy with Beaulieu, I think they called him up because they know Beaulieu was fine and did okay on the right side. now they want to make sure Tinordi is ready to stay and then they can possibly make a trade if Markov won’t sign for a year.

      As far as minutes go, they can eat them as a group. Add a few minutes to Gorges and Emelin. Beaulieu could play 20 minutes if he had too and he can fly and has the offence.

      Habfan17

  51. johnnylarue says:

    @CJ re: the team “moving on” after Markov

    I agree. People adapt, and so do hockey teams. The greater parity between players in terms of training/skill level nowadays means that bona fide “impact” players are very few and far between.

    That said, while it’s absolutely possible the ship could stay afloat without him, I personally feel like Markov still qualifies as an impact player for the Habs. And I think the defence would be looking even more piecemeal if MB were forced to go looking for another Wizniewski, for example.

    I’d sign Markov for two years at $6 million, as opposed to rolling the dice on whatever comes up on the market. Successful transitions need surly veteran players to keep the young pups in line. Markov is still as smart as they come, and a chance to play with a guy like that can be pretty valuable for a young d-man who wants to learn the game.

    • CJ says:

      Good morning. Great points. Two years is the absolute max I would be willing to go. At two years, I’m also pulling back salary. I would do one year at $6 million or two years at $5 million per season.

      If Markov won’t move from his three year demands, then it’s fair game to explore other options. Cheers, CJ

  52. Chris says:

    My thoughts on Markov (take them for what they’re worth, which is squat):

    He won’t be traded to another Eastern team, particularly not a team that Montreal might be fighting for a playoff spot such as Washington. That would be very, very bad optics for Montreal and could lead to a PR disaster if it cost them later in the season.

    Of the Western playoff contenders, his contract is a difficult fit into the salary cap. As it stands right now, St. Louis and Chicago couldn’t do it even with Montreal eating half his salary. Fortunately, neither of them really need Markov. The Sharks or Kings could take him on if the Habs about half his remaining cap hit, which they can afford to do. The Ducks could fit him outright.

    Anaheim is the best fit, as their only true offensive defenceman is Cam Fowler. Their PP is middling (18.1%, good for 17th), and that is obviously the area that Markov can improve a team the most. The problem is that none of their prospects is all that exciting. Palmieri would be off-limits, and there is no way they part with Emerson Etem, a California-born player. So that leave Devante Smith-Pelly as the most attractive prospect that could perhaps be had. Still, I think this is the most likely destination.

    Los Angeles honestly doesn’t make sense to me. They have Doughty and Slava Voynov, a pair of good offensive defencemen. Their PP is pathetic, but it can’t be because of the defencemen with that pair back there. I’d be surprised to see them part with Toffoli with Justin Williams slowing down now. But Markov for fellow pending-UFA Matt Greene and a lesser prospect might be a deal that Bergevin would make: Greene is big, is a leader, and is finding it harder to get playing time in LA this season. He’s also a right handed defenceman, which would help the Habs as it would allow one of Beaulieu, Tinordi or Emelin to go to their natural side.

    San Jose don’t make much sense, and they don’t strike me as a team looking for a rental. Chris Tierney from the London Knights is a Sharks prospect I would be intrigued by…he’s impressed me in the games I’ve watched him play. He looks bigger live than his listed 6’1″ and 187 pounds.

    The team I would watch out for is the Canucks. They don’t have many kicks at the can left with the Sedins. Like the Kings, they have a terrible PP. Bergevin was rumoured to be nosing around Alex Edler in the off-season, and Jordan Schroeder could be another prospect that the Canucks might be willing to part with as they have Brendan Gaunce, Bo Horvat and Hunter Shinkaruk who all seem to be ready to pass him on their chart. Edler is signed to a long-term deal, so Montreal would have to give up more than Markov (a rental) to get him, and I’m not sure Habs fans would like that trade. As another leftie, he doesn’t help the logjam either.

    A bidding war would be the obvious hope for Bergevin if he decides that Markov can’t be re-signed to a team friendly deal. But it will largely depend on whether other teams make some defencemen available: I wouldn’t be surprised if Mike Green, Alex Edler and/or Mark Streit were traded at the deadline this season.

    • johnnylarue says:

      Nice! Thanks especially for the prospects info–nice to get a chance to look at what our prospective dance partners have on the shelf.

    • Marc10 says:

      I don’t imagine Montreal would want Edler. As good as he’s been, he’s on a cap eating contract himself and could quickly show signs of age too. LA makes the most sense. Their PP is brutal and that needs to change. I would imagine Markov would be just the ticket to change the chemistry…. but LA might be better served with a forward.

      So how about Colorado? Their PP is virtually the same as Montreal’s… but that’s without the general back there… They could do very well with Markov.

      Anyone down on St Pat’s team strike your fancy in terms of prospects?

      • Chris says:

        Bigras is the only Colorado prospect I’m remotely familiar with, as I’ve seen him in the OHL. He’s a good player, but yet another defenceman, something the Habs don’t really need.

        I don’t see the Avalanche doing much in the way of dealing…their team is VERY young, and their prospect pool is not that deep: they are already playing a lot of their top younger guys (MacKinnon, Landeskog, O’Reilly, Duchene and Tyson Barrie are all playing key roles this season despite being more than a year younger than P.K. Subban). Colorado’s 14-2-0 dream start has given way to a still-good 23-14-5 record, but they aren’t likely to have much of a chance against the likes of Chicago, St. Louis, or Los Angeles this season and I think Patrick Roy knows it. Don’t see that team mortgaging any of their hugely bright future.

        The only deal I could see there would be not for prospects but for pending UFA Paul Stastny. Stastny is having a great year and has tremendous value, but they need to make room for Duchene and MacKinnon. Maybe they think about Stastny for Markov, but I would think they would want more, perhaps Greg Pateryn or Sebastian Collberg.

    • Timo says:

      I would love it if Mtl got Greene.

      • Chris says:

        He’s the guy I’ve been watching for a while. He was injured last year, and he hasn’t seemed to find his way back into a key role with the Kings this season. At 30, he should still have lots of good hockey in him. And he’s the kind of guy the team seems to need: steady, tough, good leader.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Hey Chris, nice post. I do think you are close with the Ducks. I did read that L.A. was looking and Tanner Pearson would be a nice pick up. Not sure they would give him up. By the time the deadline arrives, the players are pretty much paid for this season, so from what I understand, Markov’s cap hit won’t be a problem.

      Habfan17

      • Chris says:

        The money isn’t an issue, but the cap hit is. Cap hit is calculated daily, so whatever team picks up Markov has to be able to fit him under the cap. Fortunately, Montreal has a stupid amount of cap space and can eat half of his $5.75 M cap hit.

        Prorated, that means whoever picks up Markov has to be able to fit $2.875 M into their cap. Over at Capgeek, they list the prorated annual cap hit that teams can currently fit into their team at the deadline. Those numbers change pretty quickly due to injuries, but here is the annual salary that some of the teams bandied about can fit (note that these are the maximum numbers, based on projections…bonuses and injury returns could bring these numbers lower):

        Chicago – $839,489
        Pittsburgh – $1,195,000
        St. Louis – $1,783,153
        Washington – $2,241,371

        Now you have teams that could take Markov so long as Montreal eats half his contract:

        Los Angeles – $3,225,839
        San Jose – $3,347,500
        Vancouver – $3,958,496

        Teams that can afford Markov’s cap hit outright:

        Anaheim – $8,603,265
        Phoenix – $13,485,888
        Colorado – $59,618,510 (I’m not quite sure I understand how that number is calculated)

        The Avalanche are unlikely to do anything because their owners have been pretty tight-fisted the past few years and they are still building. This year was a pleasant surprise for them.

  53. The Teacher says:

    An old student of
    Mine has gone missing in the Montreal area. Please keep an eye out. http://globalnews.ca/news/1169453/montreal-police-search-for-missing-16-year-old-girl/

  54. jols says:

    Just got home, checked in and see a lot of Markov trade rumors. How did this all start? A reputable source?

    • scarboro_habitant says:

      apparently MB has offered marky a 1 yr deal 6 mill per. he wants 3 yrs.

      • jols says:

        Well, that’s just negotiations. One side offers low the other side offers high and you end up meeting in the middle. 2 years at 6 per is most likely. Personally, I would be all for unloading him and Gionta and maybe even Gorges for young NHL’ers, prospects or draft picks. We aren’t winning anything for a few years yet.

        • scarboro_habitant says:

          yup. time to cut him loose along with the players youve mentioned. one would think with tinordi up now there might be some sort of trade in the works. a lot of dmen on this team.

  55. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …I prefer the ol’ dayz when players on opposite teams REALLY REALLY HATED one another

    …where the hacks and swacks were personal and malevolent

    …now THAT was kick-ass HOCKEY !

    …now-a-dayz they tweet each other, and invite visiting ‘buds’ coming in to town out for a tour of local hot spots, or palzy-walzy invites to their homes for dinner before they meet on the ice

    …makes Me nauseous :(

    …I want blood, guts and gore dagnabit !!! …I want disrespect and bad intentions ! …with a soupcon of skills and spills

    …for instance, take this undercover photo taken of P.K. and Crosby in Sochi …so, when We next see P.K. chirping The Kid will He be actually asking Sidney for a recommended masseur in Pittsburgh ??? :(

    http://www.canada.com/olympics/news/montreal-canadiens-fans-let-the-p-k-subban-sochi-snub-go

    • Habcouver says:

      Millionaires love millionaires. Sigh… the closest rivalry I see is the U.S.-Canada women’s hockey.
      I recall hearing that John Ferguson walking out on a steak dinner at a restaurant because an opposing player was there in ear shot just talking.

      We Are (Not) All Canucks.
      Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

    • Habs_Norway says:

      Best thing I’ve read in months

      ______________________________________
      Say no to visors and sign Emelin for 10 years

  56. Plekasuares says:

    Aghh man! Are we trading a player who has been with the Habs forever for another Louis Leblanc. Sigh, maybe I’m getting to impatient but I’m tired of seeing prospects…. Get some assets! Follow Carey Price! And frickin Win this year! Kings won the cup when they were 8th. Once you get in ANYTHING can happen. Keep Markov!!!! : )

    • CJ says:

      If The General is moved, you would need a roster player or A level prospect to mitigate some of the risk associated with a draft pick. Orlov and Wilson, or Tyler Toffoli are a far cry from Leblanc.

      I agree with your post. Again, to lessen the risk you would ideally acquire a more seasoned player.

      I also like the idea of trying to land an RFA who may present challenges for an underfunded club to sign. Coincidently the Panthers have two such players, ironically both on defence. One of which grew up in Ottawa and is a huge Canadiens fan. Front knows him. He played in Kingston with the Frontenacs…..Erik Grudbranson.

  57. Plekasuares says:

    We are one second line winger from having a real shot! Like I’m serious. Vanek – Plek – Gio! C’mon!

  58. JF says:

    I’m so thrilled for Carey Price. His performance in Sochi was a statement to the League and to the hockey world that he ranks among the elite goaltenders, is perhaps the very best.

    I always knew he had the tools to make it. His positioning is so good, his movement is so economical, he makes everything look easy. It was the mental side of the game that he hadn’t quite mastered – those maddening lapses in concentration that resulted in goals any rookie would have stopped, those mysterious meltdowns when it seemed everything was slightly off and his confidence plummeted, those periods of inconsistency when he’d be great one night, so-so the next.

    Thanks largely no doubt to Stéphane Waite, he seems to have gotten the better of all this and to be poised to realize the enormous potential that was apparent right from the beginning. He’s only just getting started. There will be many more performances as stellar as the one we witnessed in the last couple of weeks.

    So congratulations to Carey and hats off to Marc Bergevin for the most significant move he has made so far as Habs GM.

  59. bwoar says:

    Just a little note: There is no way, no way ever, that Bergevin will trade Markov this year, even if he doesn’t get signed right away. It absolutely not happen, not in a million years.

    I just want that to be perfectly crystal clear, and if it displeases anyone, get over it, because – I repeat – it will not happen. Zero chance. None whatsoever.

    The only time you might see a Markov trade is after the season for the rights to negotiate. That’s it, that’s all. It may be fun to speculate on trade value, but for the love of peace, don’t think it will happen.

    • CJ says:

      I agree. There is almost no chance. I also agree that our unwillingness to take a risk will all but guarantee our continuation as a good, but not great franchise.

      I’d rather take a shot and miss, then continue as a franchise fighting for the table scraps of the league’s top teams. I’m willing to be patient; I’m willing to be unconventional. I have a hard time however being the same.

      That loss to the Sens last year left an undeniable impression on me. It was worse then the four game sweep at the hands of the Bruins. I don’t want to experience that again.

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        You are right do the deal already for g sakes….it is the right thing to do for the franchise moving forward…take the risk although I don’t see it as much of a risk . standing pat and wasting the opportunity to grab good young prospects is riskier in my opinion. God and I’m old and I see that….. where have all the young risk takers gone?

        Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
        24 cups and counting….

    • naweed235 says:

      So you are saying that it is more likely that MB takes a huge – I repeat – A HUGE risk of losing AM for nothing at the end of the year?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Markov will retire a Hab, and will pass on his insight and experience to the young d-men until he does.

        Do you think that Detroit did the wrong thing with Lidstrom?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • CJ says:

          No I don’t think the Wings did the wrong thing with Lidstrom.

          However, just to confirm, are you comparing Markov at 35 to Lidstrom at 35? Lidstrom was a point a game player (80 points) and Norris trophy winner at 35. Sorry, but with all due respect that’s a very difficult parallel to draw.

  60. naweed235 says:

    I say if Markov doesn’t take the 1 yr @ $ 6M, Bergevin should and hopefully will trade him. As some suggested I’d like the idea of a Tom Wilson or a Toffoli in return… I don’t know if Winnipeg would bite, but I’d like to see a Markov + Eller + Pick for Kane …

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Tom Wilson would be hard to resist. Habs don’t have many prospects like him.

    • johnnylarue says:

      All of those adversity-filled years of loyal service–not to mention a series of cap-friendly, hometown discount contracts–and the most you can scrounge up for the Grumpy General is 1 measly year?

      That’s just mean.

      • naweed235 says:

        Yes, and only because I want my team to improve in the coming years. I don’t think Markov will be worth a $5M+ cap for several seasons. I think it’s pretty clear that as strong a start he had to this season, he is digressing now and this will be a repeating pattern for the next few years. I am not saying he is done, as I am sure he will be a valuable piece to a team that can afford to pay him the money he wants but have him play a 4th Dman role. I think we have a lot of young D prospects that need to play in the NHL in the near future.

        • Paz says:

          People should feel sentimental about pending UFA’s when there are many teams willing to bid for the player.

          Markov is looking for the money.

          He also probably wants to win a Cup, ever think of that?

          So the Habs offer him what they believe to be fair, there’s no gun to his head, this is not Putin’s Russia, and Markov decides what’s in his best interests.

          No emotion. No sentiment. It’s business.

    • Paz says:

      Guys, please be logical.

      You are the GM of the Washington Capitals. You just traded Forsberg for Erat. That trade is an unmitigated disaster.

      Now you expect the same GM to trade Tom Wilson?

      The world does not spin in that direction.

      • CJ says:

        The Capitals are desperate. Never underestimate this desperation. If you were McPhee and your job hangs in the balance, would you care about winning today at the expense of a 19 year old who plays less then 10 minutes a game? He might be good down the road, but he doesn’t help now. Same with Orlov, who has already publicly asked for a trade.

        • Paz says:

          He will not want to trade another 19 year old who is already in the NHL. He will give you other players to look at, but not Wilson.

          • CJ says:

            I certainly wouldn’t if I where him. He has made some huge blunders, so history could repeat itself. Who knows. It’s purely guess work on my part. Cheers, CJ

      • Mark C says:

        Why not. Forsberg is a much better prospect than Wilson, and Markov is a much better player than Erat.

  61. CJ says:

    Syracuse survives Maryland, barely. Wow, this team gives me fits.

  62. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    Back to my trade deadline avatar.

  63. Sportfan says:

    Good for the Als on hiring the guy that looks like Mark Trestman

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  64. UKRAINIANhab says:

    What would Gorges fetch?

  65. CJ says:

    Regarding Markov and, more specifically, his value to the team, I believe the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    Supposing, for a moment that Markov nets you Tom Wilson and Dmitri Orlov (this is just an example) how would the team fair going forward? Would they be a lottery team, as some have suggested? No, I don’t believe so. With the exception of Carey Price, there isn’t a player on this team who is worth +/- five wins or losses.

    Many here argue that Karlsson is the best defenceman in the league, yet the Sens still made the playoffs without him. Karlsson is much more important to his team then Markov, yet we suggest that the season is being thrown away. How then did the Sens survive? By committee. We could do the exact same. In fact, I would suggest we could, depending on the return (for example the one I proposed above), be a better team.

    I understand and respect all opinions on this subject. I get that it’s polarizing. What I don’t understand is how better defencemen, Letang and Karlsson as examples are lost, yet their respective teams keep moving on. If the answer is they are simply better teams, then the loss of Markov should be further digestible as there is no chance we are winning with or without him.

    Again, the loss of Markov does not make us a lottery team this year or next. So long as we have Price, at the top of his game, we are going to be in the playoff picture.

    As previously noted, a one year deal is fine by me. Going longer term carries significant risk with unmatched upside potential. If we can’t reach a one year agreement, a trade needs to be explored. Return will dictate further action.

    Just my two cents…

    • DoopsyDiddler says:

      Is Tom Wilson that borderline psycho from the Caps?

    • johnnylarue says:

      There’s a part of me that feels like Markov, even at 35, is still a better pure defenceman than Kris Letang. It’s a biased perspective and not altogether fair given Letang’s recent injury + health issues, but I would argue that Markov is currently more important to the Habs than Letang is to the Pens, at the very least.

      In any case, my argument remains: if Bergevin trades or does not sign Markov, he’d better have someone in mind as a replacement #2 guy–and those don’t come very cheap these days.

      • CJ says:

        Fair enough. In the spirit of this professional exchange I won’t counter your comments regarding Letang. My point regarding Karlsson however remains.

        Further, look at the Flyers and Chris Pronger. Would you have thought they could overcome the loss of Pronger? Despite his loss after only 13 games, the Flyers still managed 103 points and a first round win against the Penguins.

        I just think the notion that we would sink to the depths of the eastern conference this year and next (some here have suggested worse and for an extended period of time), people are not considering those other teams who have sustained greater losses.

        Truth is, if Markov is moved tomorrow, things will move on. The one player, as I noted earlier, who could significantly shift the needle is Price.

  66. DoopsyDiddler says:

    Where is the evidence that Phil Kessel can’t score in the big games? He’s still young, but he led the Leafs with 4 goals in 7 games against the Bruins in the playoffs last year, and the Leafs elimination was not on him. He was top scorer in the Olympics.

    So where is the evidence that he can’t deliver the goods?

    • Steven says:

      It just comes from the fact that he’s a Leaf. If he played for Columbus or Minnesota or something like that, we’d all say he’s pretty alright, I think.

      Guy’s a bit of a defensive liability, but as good a scorer as you can find, these days. I’d take him on our team any day over a guy like Gionta(with all due respect to the player he was).

  67. habstrinifan says:

    I am a bit surprised at the non-discussion of how poorly the ‘non-goalie’ players from the HABS fared in the Olympics. Criticise the Leafs for instance but even Keesel and JVR had their moments. I dont think Markov and Emelin stood out for Russia. Subban didnt play. Did Pleks? Pacs was hardly a factor. Etc etc.

    This game is hockey. And based on our players, the HABS have a goaltender.. and that’s about it.

  68. A. Berke says:

    A lot of trade talk here again about Markov and if we could trade him for decent-to-good assets I would be all for it; I don’t think he’s worth another 3 yrs contract at 6+mil per that he’s possibly seeking (damn if you do, damn if you don’t).

    Come the trade deadline the Habs will be in all likelihood, still in playoff contention. However, we have quite a few games that don’t look like easy for us after Mar.5 (incl.western trip) and at the end of the season there is a good possibility (however small) that we may end up being out of playoff contention.

    If we can’t trade or sign Markovto a favourable contract, chances are we may lose him for nothing at the end of the season. IMHO, even if we make it to the playoffs, I have hard time to believe we can go past the first round with or without Markov.

    I’d say we should trade him (hopefully for a 1st & 2nd rounder).
    PS: It wouldn’t hurt if MB can find a new home for DD too.
    PS2: If MB doesn’t have any intentions re Gionta, then we need to part ways with him too.
    Cheers,
    Ali B.

  69. Habs4LifeInTO says:

    A report on Habs World says LA might be interested in Markov and they’d be willing to trade their 2014 1st and Tanner Pearson. Habs world thought MB should ask for 1 first and maybe Zykov or Clifford. Rumours also suggest that Washington might be interested and maybe the Ducks as well. One of Tom Wilson or Laganiere plus a first would float my boat…If the Habs can’t get him signed to a one year deal at 5 million or two years at an AAV of say $4 million then I am hoping they trade him for a first and a scoring prospect. I am leaning towards moving on without him I think cause I want those pieces for the future and his value is highest now. I have to admit Tom Wilson would be nice to have plus the first. I know Cal…I might be dreaming but still….I want the Habs to be younger and bigger…sue me!

    24 cups and counting….

    • CJ says:

      I watched Zykov live on Friday night. He left a lot to be desired. I think Weise fills the spot Clifford would take. Tyler Toffoli or Tanner Pearson plus a pick would be tremendous value.

      • Habs4LifeInTO says:

        I liked Zykov for the Habs in the last draft. Supposed to have a good character, CHL rookie of the year (I think). When Habs passed him up I could only conclude that the Hab scouts weren’t enamoured with him. Your report seems to confirm that. Toffoli from the Toronto Juniour Canadiens Midget AAA is our man then. Maybe that is an omen! Plus the pick as you suggest.

        Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
        24 cups and counting….

        • CJ says:

          That would be unreal. I watched Toffoli on numerous occasions while with the 67′s. He would be fair value for Markov straight up. The pick would be a bonus.

          • Habs4LifeInTO says:

            See, now you’re talking! That’s how the Habs must move ahead not by hanging on to the past….unless the past wants to play for the Habs real cheap, well below what he’s making now. So hopefully MB has already offered him something reasonable and given him a deadline of….. let’s say Wednesday….and then if there is no consensus on an agreement….ship him out for the future. Respect and dignity yes by all means but look out for the team and it’s future first….

            Do the math……..7 x 6 = 42…Love our PK!
            24 cups and counting….

  70. The Capitalist Pig says:

    In my opinion, Jack Todd was spot on. Let’s be fair, the women’s gold-medal game was far more engaging. His two best observations in my opinion were:

    The U.S. had too many players like Phil Kessel, who can fill the net in blow-outs but disappear when it matters. (As a US citizen, I was flat-out pissed by the pussified perimeter pucksturbating by our team.)

    But Canada was going to win this tournament anyway, because what Canada had was Carey Price and the best defensive group that has ever taken the ice for an Olympic tournament. (As Ken Dryden pointed out in The Game, it is not easy to be a good goalie on a great team. Babcock plays Luongo and the results might have been very different, indeed.)

  71. Paz says:

    There are only about 1.3 million in the Greater Ottawa region, including the Quebec side and Gatineau.

    Greater Montreal region has close to 4 million.

    Greater Toronto region has more than 6 million.

  72. habcertain says:

    if the time is right to deal Markov, what about adding in Pleks to a package to secure some real young value? Chucky instantly becomes the no. 2 man.

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I dont like the idea of trading Plecs at all, he is just too hard to replace. He’s not a star, but he is one of the most complete players in the league, and exactly the type of player who has a long career, and will be a very valuable third then fourth line centre as his skills start to fade. Hoping they dont trade AM, but if there is not a good contract option, there may be no choice. Would much rather see Bork, Moen, Gionta, etc go for a couple extra picks and to make some room for a free agent.


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