Habs’ Markov looks fine at practice

The Canadiens got a scare Saturday night when defenceman Andrei Markov went down awkwardly during a collision with the Buffalo Sabres’ Tyler Ennis and appeared to twist his left knee (photo above).

Markov has twice had surgery on his right knee for major ACL reconstruction. But this time Markov and the Canadiens dodged a bullet with the defenceman staying in the game Saturday. He was back on the ice with his teammates for practice Monday morning in Brossard and looked fine with no damage done to his left knee.   

Markov has played in all 31 games this season, posting 2-17-19 totals and a plus-13 while averaging 25:28 of ice time. The Russian defenceman has now played in 89 consecutive regular-season games, dating back to March 16, 2012. The only Canadiens player with more consecutive games played is defenceman Josh with 161 dating back to April 9, 2011. Gorges left practice early on Monday for what the club called “maintenance” and should be in the lineup Tuesday night against the Los Angeles Kings at the Bell Centre (7 p.m., TSN, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

Alex Galchenyuk, who is third on the Canadiens’ consecutive-games-played list at 79, was skating on a line with Tomas Plekanec and Brian Gionta at practice Monday, while Daniel Briere was on a line with Lars Eller and Michael Bournival. Rene Bourque, who has missed the last three games with an upper-body injury, didn’t take part in the practice.

Carey Price will start in goal when the Canadiens face the Kings Tuesday night with Habs coach  Michel Therrien planning to use the same lineup that faced the Sabres Saturday night.

After Tuesday’s game, the Canadiens travel to Philadelphia to face the Flyers on Thursday, are in Long Island, N.Y., to take on the Islanders Saturday, then return home for a rare Sunday game at 6 p.m. against the Phoenix Coyotes at the Bell Centre.

Here’s how the forward lines and defence pairings looked at practice:


(Photo by Dave Sidaway/The Gazette)

Battle for ice time drives Habs’ success, by Pat Hickey

Post-practice interviews (video), Canadiens.com

Therrien enjoying depth at forward position, Canadiens.com

Subban, Markov NHL’s best defensive pair, Washington Post

Nothing wrong with Subban for Sochi, by Jack Todd

Olympic watch: who’s rising, falling in quest for spot? NHL.com

Latest L.A. Kings news, L.A. Times

Penguins’ Neal suspended five games, NHL.com

The Dark Corner of hockey, SI.com

NHLPA in position to defend the indefensible, N.Y. Times


  1. Andy and the habs says:

    My apologies if this was posted


  2. SlovakHab says:

    For Fenwick lovers:


    Habs are 18th in the league in Fenwick Close %.

    • SlovakHab says:

      By the way the stat isn’t as useless as many people might think. Good teams are at the top and shitty possession teams are at the bottom. Leafs are falling nicely, which is reflected by their poor possession stats. Habs are merely average – thanks to Price and Budaj for the winning streak.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      We’ve really been poor in possession in the last 4 games, and 3 of those we’re vs non-playoff teams. Trouble ahead?

      • HabinBurlington says:

        We’ve gotten away with some sloppy games, hopefully tonight we see an excellent effort.

        • SlovakHab says:

          On one hand, the team is healthy so getting out-chanced and out-shot is not a good sign.
          On the other hand the schedule has been tough and after emotional games such as Toronto, the team must have felt flat against New Jersey, who play pretty boring hockey.

          Most likely we are above-average NHL team and can surprise if we get hot and stay healthy.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            Do agree that fatigue was probably a factor for the last few games. Both teams rested (relatively speaking) going into tonights game.

  3. Sportfan says:

    Lol Burly I thought you actually were making a joke comment about TSN checked out the torontosportsmedia.com its pretty cool!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  4. Timo says:

    Bloody kids (not mine). Went to a stupid xmas party and now have cold. Little parasites.

  5. Sportfan says:

    @The Slacker that helmet is hilarious! Although I’m not sure I’ve seen Budaj wear it yet unless I’m blind lol

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  6. JohnBellyful says:

    What if:
    – the penalty for physical fouls such as boarding, cross-checking, kneeing, slashing, etc were three minutes?
    – players were forced to pay a fine as well when they commit those offences, say $5,000-$10,000, with payment required before being allowed out of the penalty box?
    – players from opposing teams and their family members were required to socialize a couple of hours before the game – play euchre, shoot pool, have a game of charades?
    – referees were tested before games to see if their helmets were placed on their head properly and not likely to slip over their eyes at inopportune times ?
    – the NHL handed out five-game suspensions for bare fist fighting but approved slapping as a way for players to vent their anger?
    – conversely, players were allowed to use brass knuckles?
    – TSN were to introduce a new feature, Top10 Missed Calls of the Week (make it Top 20)?
    – players had a conscience?

    Would any of this help make the NHL a less violent place?

  7. Sportfan says:

    Not sure if you guys saw this, but

    NFL and Bell Media expand their Canadian broadcast agreement. Beginning in 2014, Bell Media becomes the rights holder for NFL in Canada for:

    Sunday 1 pm et regular-season games
    Sunday 4 pm et regular-season games
    Sunday Night regular-season games
    Monday Night regular-season games
    All Playoff Games
    The Super Bowl

    TSN loses NHL they tell Sportsnet there is no way they get the NFL lol

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I had heard that was in the works, there is a website called torontosportsmedia.com check it out the host of it often has these scoops a couple days before released. Good news for TSN as they have to strengthen the rest of their content, CHeers bud!

  8. habsfanfromfla says:

    fla habs game already has the prices on stub hub for good seats over 100 bucks first time thats happened

    also check out what brooks wrote about prust

    Rangers aren’t the same since Brandon Prust bolted
    By Larry BrooksDecember 9, 2013 | 6:30pm
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    Ex-Ranger and current Canadiens player Brandon Prust (left) mixes it up with the Bruins’ Shawn Thornton during a game in Montreal on Dec. 5.
    Photo: Getty

    Staal’s likely concussion unfair twist of fate
    Vigneault needs to give top players more minutes
    Islanders reported pursuit of Flyers coach just doesn’t add up
    A deal worthy of a King: Pact good for both Henrik and Rangers
    Time for Vigneault and the Rangers to ride The King
    Intellectually and economically, there wasn’t any doubt then and there isn’t any doubt now the Rangers took the prudent course of action on July 1, 2012, when they did not try to match the Canadiens’ four-year, $10 million offer to free agent Brandon Prust.
    Just as there is no doubt the Yankees chose the prudent course by not trying to match the Mariners’ 10-year, $240 million offer to free agent Robinson Cano.
    The baseball team in the Bronx can only hope the hole in the middle of the order produced by Cano’s defection isn’t as significant as the hole in the heart of the hockey team in Manhattan left behind by Prust.
    For while a star has shed his pinstripes, the Yankees must only find another big bat to replace him. The Rangers, well, they haven’t come close to replacing the energy, the just-try-and-knock-the-chip-off-my shoulder and just-try-to-bully-my teammate mentality the grunt wore on the sleeve of his Black-and-Blueshirt.
    The Rangers are deficient in top-end talent and the players at the top of the food chain have been largely deficient through much of this unsatisfying 15-15-1 season that slogs on Tuesday night when no-name Nashville (OK, the one-name Predators: Seth Jones) comes to the Garden, that much is true.
    But the absence of A-listers on the Broadway marquee is not an excuse for an absence of work ethic or energy. Quite the contrary. The problem is, the Rangers have no one to supply energy the way Prust did; no one to jump-start the team and infuse his teammates with hockey courage the way No. 8 did during his tour on Broadway that ran for less than 2 ¹/₂ seasons.
    Never has a fourth-line Ranger had the impact Prust did. Never has a grunt been missed so much by a team that thrived on grunt work in 2011-12 and hasn’t been more than a pale facsimile of that since losing the conference finals to the Devils (if not sometime in the previous series against the Capitals).
    This year’s team isn’t so much different from last year’s team that squeezed into the playoffs with a late rush. It’s not that the Rangers were rocky-road playing for John Tortorella and now vanilla with Alain Vigneault behind the bench.
    The difference from last year to this year is that one coach doesn’t say, “We [stunk] from head to toe,” after a match such as Sunday’s 4-1 defeat to the Caps in which the Rangers, well, stunk from head to toe.
    The difference from last year to this year is Henrik Lundqvist’s even-strength save percentage of .918 is the worst of his career and ranks 23rd among 30 goaltenders with at least 14 starts following a season in which the goaltender posted a career best .937 even-strength save percentage that ranked fourth in the league among netminders who started at least half their team’s games.
    The top guys must produce and set the standard, but the fourth line, especially playing for a self-avowed four-line true believer such as Vigneault, has to be able to establish a tone; has to be disruptive and hard-edged and a pain against which to play.
    In other words, everything the Rangers’ fourth line hasn’t been all year, even if the sidelined Derek Dorsett has tried to personify all of that with every fiber of his being. Arron Asham will attempt to add some weight after being recalled from the AHL on Monday as J.T. Miller was returned to the Wolf Pack after only two games back in New York.
    Brian Boyle’s game has deteriorated to an extent that is difficult to watch. Benoit Pouliot has been a mistake machine. Taylor Pyatt has issues keeping up with the play. Dominic Moore has tried, but hasn’t been able to ignite a spark anywhere along the line.
    And the Rangers as a team get outworked and pushed around, and not only by Boston. Seriously, when Michael Ryder and Reid Boucher both take shots at Marc Staal without fear of reprisal, there is something amiss and what’s amissing is in a Canadiens sweater.
    What’s amissing is the swagger Prust’s presence and persona brought to the Rangers. What’s amissing even at this late date is a replacement for Prust.
    The Yankees better hope they don’t have to cast their lonely eyes to Seattle the way the Rangers are to Montreal

  9. jols101 says:

    I live in Ottawa so every Sens game is televised and I watch many of them and Karlsson better not get Norris consideration this year. He may, and probably will, get the most points as a dman in the NHL but every game he gets out muscled along the wall or just gives the puck away with a bonehead decision. He may be an offensive dynamo but he is just brutal in his own end.

  10. Steven says:

    Watchning Sens vs Flyers on RDS. I wonder which team the announcer is rooting for…

    (For clarity for those who aren’t watching: The guy’s jumping out of his seat with an “ET LE BUT!!” every time the Sens score and he can barely be bothered to get the words out when the Flyers score.)

    • Storman says:

      If you were watching Sens broadcast, would not be hard to know which team Denis Potvin is rooting for, he is by far the biggest homer i have ever heard do games. so bad it is too too funny, complete homer to the point of ridiculousness..

      • habs-hampton says:

        hopefully he’s another guy who’s out of a job next year.

        • Hobie Hansen says:

          Potvin is the ultimate homer but I think it’s mainly because he’s never on a national broadcast. He’s only ever on Sportsnet East or Ontario. I’d image they’d let him know, if he ever gets a large audience that he has to tone down Sensmania! Besides, Ottawa probably has thousands of fans, not a million or so like other Canadian teams, so I feel bad for them and they need all the help they can get :-).

          At least he’s not as f*&king annoying as Jack Edwards in Boston. Potvin is a homer but Edwards is a homer and complete piece of s*&t. Sorry, touchy subject.

      • Steven says:

        Yeah, you caught be forgetting entirely about their broadcasts. Absolutely dreadful, though I still feel Jack Edwards takes the cake on the whole homer thing.

        Then again, I feel like announcers should only really have a reason to homer it up with their home team. Even though part of the RDS audience consists of Sens fans, I’m not sure there are enough to merit the announcer homering it up more than Pierre Houde(who doesn’t homer it up at all as far as I’m concerned.)

      • monmick says:

        He’s also always very critical of the officiating…

        ~~~> Mathematically eliminated…

  11. Bripro says:

    When you think about it, the cap could be much higher.
    They might actually be rational and thinking long-term….. looking at our declining loony.

  12. Storman says:

    The cap going up to 71 million, and the CDN 5.2 Billion dollar TV deal will not affect the cap until the following year. A family of four going to an NHL game getting quite expensive, unless you are vacationing in the south with said family to catch a game in Florida or Phoenix.

  13. Bill says:

    One thing I am wondering tonight, after all the posting: does this mean that it is not ok to say someone is not intelligent if they can and will beat you up for saying so?

    I’m not the smartest guy, but something about that formula is troubling me.

  14. HabinBurlington says:

    21 Minutes of Brian Burke talking with the Sportsnet gang, including discussion of the weekends events in Boston.


  15. D Man says:

    Crazy, dangerous acts in hockey? Lack of respect? Anybody remember the Eddie Shack/Larry Ziedel stick fight in the late 60’s. I was there at MLG, the game was moved because the roof caved in at Philly and tickets were available. I drove over from Guelph with some friends. It was scary. The atmosphere today is nothing new. You tube, constant TV network coverage is. The lack of respect, it seems to me, was always there. Time to stop. No?

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  16. Bill says:

    HabFab: 71 million dollars?? That’s more than the cap was before the lockout, which was only last year!

    So we lost a half a season of hockey, and had to endure all those acrimonious arguments between owners and player in the media, all for what? Exactly nothing?

    I thought a cap of 70 million dollars was financially ruinous for the NHL? Wasn’t that what Bettman said? Isn’t that why he cancelled half of a season?

    What is Don Fehr thinking right now? Either he is on the take from the NHL, and he’s thinking “exxxxcellent”, or he’s an honest man and he’s thinking, “wow, I sure done got hornswoggled”.

    This is disgusting.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      You are forgetting that the Owners are getting a much bigger % of the hockey revenues now. The Cap number wasn’t the issue, it was the percentage of hockey revenues and the definition of revenues that was the issue.

    • Bripro says:

      (I can’t believe I’m saying this)…
      In Butthead’s defence, he said those words before signing the $5.whatever gazillion dollar deal from a Canadian body to support dying US markets.

    • Phil C says:

      Without the new CBA, the cap would be up to around $80M, so the new deal puts almost $10M per team in the owner’s pockets. That should go a long way to putting most teams in the black, assuming they stick to a budget.

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    If he had more of a hockey background, I know he’s on the Toronto airwaves but he gives the Leafs more crap than anyone out there, I’d like to see Bob McCowan replace Don Cherry.

    McCowan is the best radio/TV personality in Canada, IMO.

    If not on the coaches corner segment, eventually, I hope he’s on a panel or segment of what Rogers has in store.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Hobie, I am sure he is going to be hosting some kind of panel discussion show on the new Rogers Hockey broadcast. When he is interested in the discussion, he is an excellent host, probably why he is the highest paid sports radio personality in Canada.

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Call me cheesy but I dig his vibe. The shades, the perfect radio voice, and the fact that if someone is talking nonsense he’ll call them out immediately. I think it does help that he made some $$$ outside of the broadcast industry and like you mentioned is very well paid now. When he goes toe to toe with sports executives he doesn’t play nice cuz he’s got almost as much dough as a good chunk of them!

  18. Storman says:

    Bruce Boudreau was one of the best Coach’s Corner/Broadcast analyst in recent years and he would make an amazing replacement for coach’s corner, but sorry for Rogers he is kind of busy in Anaheim these days.

  19. HardHabits says:

    The Habs are doing so well that some us are at each other’s throats over parade routes.

    I advise calm. Serenity. There is much hockey to be played.

    Desire is not the cause of all suffering. Expectation is.

    • Bripro says:

      Great idea!
      Let’s plan a route starting in Halifax harbour and ending at Horshoe Bay.
      I bet our team will draw crowds in most areas along the route.
      The team might have to ride in the pope mobile going through Toronto though.

      • Lafleurguy says:

        When Habs win, P.K. can bring it to his home, Toronto, and a lot of the under 46 yr. olds can experience what folks in say, Cole Harbour felt. Of course, the flaw in my thinking is that Toronto residents of other recent Cup Winners didn’t bring the Cup home (e.g. Tyler Seguin), but they weren’t Habs!

        “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Don’t know how the debate arose over:
      “Be it resolved that Chris Knuckles is not intelligent.”

      “May you live in interesting times.”

    • Andy and the habs says:

      Good one, made me laugh

  20. frontenac1 says:

    Missed the Kassian/ Rosehill tilt. Was it any good? The Turris /Couturtier fight was a fun little light weight scrap.

  21. HabFab says:

    Darren Dreger –

    2014-2015 NHL salary cap projection delivered at Board of Governors meeting.Upwards of $71 million next season. CDN TV rights also ratified.

  22. Bill says:

    Stevie Ray: Call me crazy, but I think Tortorella would be a great Don Cherry replacement.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Agreed. Although he’s not Canadian.

    • HardHabits says:


    • HabinBurlington says:

      @Bill, the only thing about Torterella, is I have seen Duthie talk about how uncomfortable he was on the TSN panel and specifically as it related to the Quiz and other things. He has a real disdain for the media and I think wouldn’t be nearly as entertaining as we think he would be.

      • Bripro says:

        It looks like I might be taking a drive through your neck-of-the-woods over the holidays.
        My wife wants to go visit her best friend who now lives in farm country outside of Hamilton.
        I won’t be sticking around there, that’s for certain. Booooooring!

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Cherry evokes the image of a fire-and-brimstone evangelist, and it works for him and his grammar/grammer/grandma. The only other big personality to come close to that degree of bombast was John Madden. If a replacement is for certain, it’s not so much the filling of big shoes, but having a mouth as big for the big foot that’s usually in it.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  23. Bill says:

    Actually, if I were Rogers, and looking for a “colourful” commentator to replace an aging Cherry, an inadequate Kypreos, and a simply inept PJ Stock, I would seriously consider Chris Nilan. I think he’d be a hit on TV.

  24. Bill says:

    Punkster: I was surprised by how reasonable the comments on that blog post were. I guess I’ve gotten accustomed to the illiterate, bloodthirsty rants I usually see Bruins fans “write” on other sites.

    Maybe … maybe not all Bruins fans are troglodytes? Maybe we could all get along??

    No, frig that, I hate them all.

    • ffenliv says:

      A key thing to remember is that on hockey blogs, sort of like in politics, it’s often the vocal minority. There are millions of Habs fans, but only a few hundred post here, right? It’s the same with Bruins fans. The passionate minority who actually want to take the time to discuss it online are the ones we see.

      There’s also no shortage of people on here from time to time who go on about some pretty crazy thoughts they’ve had, too. 🙂

      • twilighthours says:

        And that the SBnation blogs are very reddit-esque. Witty retorts are highly valued.

        Man I suck at getting work done tonight.

        • punkster says:

          Seems many of the SB sites tend be intolerant of obvious trolls and would prefer that if you haven’t got anything relevant to add to a discussion you should at least deliver humour.

          Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…
          ELLER IS STELLAR!!!

    • HardHabits says:

      I think you’re too used to reading these pages Bill.

  25. Jed says:

    I’m getting really bored of the constant TSN debates on PK. Honestly, have Team Canada learned nothing from our horrible record on large international ice surfaces? PK shouldn’t just make the team, he should be getting huge minutes.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Think about how many Habs fans they are generating interest from, not to mention pleasing all those Leaf fans whom hate all things Habs.

      • wjc says:

        Some Leaf fans hate all things Habs.

        Some Hab fans hate all things Leafs.

        All comes out in the wash. Bruins fans…..like it is one big thing..illiterate, blood thirsty. Most/some fans are blood thirsty.

        There is no such thing as a Bruins fan that you invision. Some enjoy hockey, love their Bruins. Some like tough hockey, dislike the Canadiens because they have won so much, but know they need them or what are they going to boo.

        Now substitute Canadiens fans with all the bad things. They boo there own players, hated Carey Price for a long time. Do not like any coaches if they lose more then twice in a row.

        My point is some fans are idiots, and some fans are great, no matter who they cheer for. They like walks along the beach, dancing, good jokes, and Sunday dinner to. They buy their mother gifts on Mothers day and sing Christmas carols.

        So if it makes you happy to envision a Bruin, Leaf fan with their tongues hanging out and mumbling to themselves, have at it.


    • Marc10 says:

      “…have Team Canada learned nothing from our horrible record on large international ice surfaces?”

      You might have nailed it there.

  26. Habilis says:

    Brooksie writes about the Rangers missing our boy Prust. Yep, he’s ours now. 😀


  27. Bill says:

    VHab: I don’t think you’re an extremist, I think you’re an unreformable contrarian. You can’t stand agreeing with mainstream opinion because there is too much dumbness associated with it. You are somewhat blind to the dumbness associated with non-mainstream views, because they don’t bother you as much, for being less prevalent and this less annoying. But if everyone here agreed with PJ Stock, and repeated his flawed arguments, you’d be the guy explaining why he’s wrong. I am quite sure of it!

    MRonn: email address is bill.keay@outlook.com

    I’ll leave it up for 15 minutes.

  28. Bill says:

    Well, geez, I like Chris Nilan as much as the next guy, but to say that the Habs couldn’t have won the Cup without him in ’86 … haha. That’s just silly.

    • wjc says:

      Cannot be proven either way. He gave the less combative players on that team courage I would think. Was fearless and players knew he took his role seriously and he could play a regular shift. So who knows what players were important, remove him and you might have had your answer. My guess is, he would have be missed and not easily replaced.


    • HabinBurlington says:

      141 minutes of penalties in 18 playoff games, that is a ton of heavy lifting which would have to been picked up by someone else on the roster. Remember, those years playoffs were filled with scraps.

    • Marc10 says:

      I love Knuckles but that’s a big stretch.

      From my recollection the top contributors were:

      1) Roy
      2) Claude Lemieux

      3) Carbo
      4) McPhee & Skrudland
      5) Our D

      To be sure, that team didn’t have passengers. What an incredible run that was.

    • keviathan says:

      There was also Mats Naslund who led the team in scoring in both the regular season and playoffs I think, and I seem to remember Bobby Smith doing well too

      Nilan contributed in the dressing room and on the ice, he did a lot to bring all the rookies together, scored 19 goals that year (Parros has 19 goals in his whole career), he might have loved the Habs more than anyone else on the team….obviously he wasn’t the most important part of the team but he played a regular role and was far more than any tough guy we’ve had since….Tod Ewen only played one game in the 1993 cup run….

  29. twilighthours says:

    Bill, did I miss your email address? Damn.

  30. punkster says:

    View from a Br00nz blog


  31. Bill says:

    WJC/ I am sure that hockey enrolment is in decline. Here in Moncton we used to have 10 atom teams. Now we have six. Meanwhile the population of the city has gone up 40%, while we have lost four Atom teams.

    This is anecdotal evidence, obviously, but it shows something, surely.

    • wjc says:

      Bill: I am sure hockey enrolment is in decline, however there are less kids to play. Smaller families.

      Schools are closing because of less kids to populate them. All acrossed Ontario public schools are closing with decline in students. Less teachers needed, many are trying to latch on where they can or leaving the profession.

      Populations are rising in some era’s because older folks are relocating from large cities to retirement spots. Add in people immigrating to Canada and you do have a spike in populations.

      Used to be normal for families to have 4, 5, 6 kids, that is no longer the case. Kids love hockey as much as ever and perhaps the costs of ice time and equipment is discouraging them. Sports are rough in most cases and this is the attraction for some. For others they may choose the arts, but sports hero’s will always attract the kids.


    • punkster says:

      And you know of course I’m kidding below.

      Sort of…if you retract the John Coltrane slag…maybe.

      Still SUBBANGIN’ BABY…

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      Yeah…..it is too expensive for most parents…

  32. HabFab says:

    This is so bad that it’s cute… sort of and as Mavid would say “The best hockey club in Ottawa”;

  33. Bill says:

    Vancouver Hab, love your self-appointment as modern day Aristotle. But I think you are much more the gad-fly type, so maybe a modern-day Socrates would suit you better? Aristotle was mild-mannered and famously advocated the “middle-way” … doesn’t seem like your style.

    • VancouverHab says:

      You’re too kind: WAY too kind. I’m the modern day village (city-state?) idiot.

      I was just tweaking Dipsy’s snark against me.

    • VancouverHab says:

      PS: love the Golden Mean in principle, and it’s modern instantiation in the British via media.

      But you’re spot on that I tend to the extreme’s, alas. But then, Aristotle had his Phyllis, of course….

  34. Bill says:

    Bros, dudes, and especially fellow maritimers … what’s all the hostility today? Christmas is coming.

    Once again I ask everyone to be polite and respectful to each other.

    Please note that I myself will violate this rule on game nights against Boston. But there isn’t even any game tonight. Let’s play nice.

    MRonn and Twilight, you guys have been scrappin’ all day. Wrap it up and shake hands.

  35. Bill says:

    I don’t have any issues with Dreger’s Team Canada defence at RD … except I would say that Doughty has been declining for a while after one great season, and that he was mediocre in 2010. But I am just a voice in the wilderness and will not convince any of the Doughty believers. Nonetheless, I expect to be proved tragically correct by Doughty at this year’s games.

    Anyway, Weber is the best in the business to me. Subban and Pietrangelo appear to be about equivalent. Hockey Canada seems to love Doughty. So seeing Subban ranked 3/4 at RD on Canada seems about right, actually.

    However at LD … Vlasic? Didn’t Doughty play LD in 2010? Maybe he could again. If not, how about switching Subban over there.

    • Habilis says:

      This is the big issue. Babcock has been adamant about his belief that the team should take 4 left shots and 4 right shots.

      To me, this is asinine. You’re going to take a guy like Bouwmeester or Vlasic over someone like PK or Pietrangelo because of the side they shoot? Sheer lunacy.

      Once again, this seems like the hockey brass making things far more complicated than they have to be. Pick the best 8 D, the best 14 forwards, the best 3 goalies and go win gold.

      If PK Subban isn’t among the top 8 D in Canada, I’ll eat my own shoe.

      • Marc10 says:

        That’s definitely the vibe from Babcock and I’m sure he’s looking at duos also… but I would add that he’s probably only looking at three pairs of D that match his left-right criteria.

        Keith and Seabrook, Bouwmeester and Pietrangelo. That leaves a pairing for Weber and Doughty (the only one that doesn’t fit the left-right profile). His seventh D could well be Vlasik just to make it 3 and 3 left and right.

        Doughty was spectacular in Vancouver and in LA’s Cup win. He gets in for that reason alone. He’s mobile and a proven clutch player.

        So yeah, there’s definitely a scenario where PK doesn’t make it. I would like to think they bring him along as a 7th or even 8th Dman, if only because the games are being played on the big international ice and there’s no better skater or break out guy on the back end than PK.

    • habfan01 says:

      I would prefer seeing both Subban and Price off the olympic team

  36. Arnou Ruelle says:


    I don’t like the defensive pairings for this Olympic team. Its too weak!

    Also, Bergeron and St. Louis should be on the roster IMO. Even Milan Lucic and James Neal is not on the roster consideration.

    Darren Dreger should not be guessing on what Hockey Canada will do.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Trying really hard to remove my Habs coloured glasses, I’m still not sure Lucic is a fit on Team Canada with the big ice surface. I was impressed with his skating in recent games compared to my earlier thoughts, but still not sure he deserves a spot over others.

      I have to admit I have almost never watched Vlasic closely, but aside from being a Left handed shot versus PK being a Right handed shot, I fail to understand that he is considered better than PK. The other 6 I can understand why they are on that list.

      • Habfan10912 says:

        I’m always in favor of balance on a Olympic Team. Someone yesterday mentioned Gallagher and today Lucic. Instead of just an AllStar team of the best players I love it when penalty killers, faceoff specialist, checkers, energy guys supplement the all stars. Lucic could provide that balance.

    • twilighthours says:

      I believe that if Subban gets there, he’ll play, and play a lot.

      But I don’t think he gets there.

  37. HabinBurlington says:

    Watching That’s Hockey, I really worry about how far up Dreger’s sphincter that fence post is lodged, this guy has zero chance of ever having an opinion that he won’t hedge on.

    • Habilis says:

      I support this post. (See what I did there?)

      Mr. Mouthpiece himself. The guy flip flops more than a crooked politician. He really needs to grow a set.

    • Bripro says:

      I wondered about that.
      I don’t really watch TSN very often, but he’s on TSN690 two days a week, and the morning crew like to give him a hard time.
      He always sounds gracious, and refuses to give in to their antics.
      I thought “Doesn’t he have enough back bone to bite back, or is that just his nature?”

      EDIT: Last week, he was all in favour of PK on the Olympic team. The week before? Not so much.

  38. DipsyDoodler says:

    You read a lot of bad arguments on H I/O, but the rebuttal of MRonn’s suggestion that Chris Nilan isn’t very intelligent with “I bet you wouldn’t say it to his face” ranks up there.

    This is how you defend Chris Nilan’s intelligence?

    • twilighthours says:

      Just got back from putting my kids to bed.

      Is this a dig at me, Dipsy?

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        Not sure whose argument it is, but can you see how it’s not a great defence of Knuckles’ intellect?

        • twilighthours says:

          The argument was not whether Nilan is intelligent or not, it was

          1) he’s likely well qualified to speak on the matters of fighting in the NHL and 2) I’m not a big fan of people on the internet calling other people dumb, especially if they’ve never met that person.

          My grandmother taught me: don’t say something behind someone’s back that you wouldn’t say to their face.

          And I know you’re not going to disagree with my Nan.

    • wjc says:

      I bet he wouldn’t call him ‘stupid’ to his face, says it all. Can you back up your words with a personal statement, eye to eye. Easy to attack in the dark, with the doors locked and feel safe and oh so smart.

      But ask yourself, who has the radio show? Who played in the NHL? Who puts it out there with his real name, not some internet name.


    • Lafleurguy says:

      Miss the good ole days:
      “Your mother wears army boots.”
      “Your mama.”
      “Up your nose with a rubber hose.’
      “May the fleas of a thousand camels find your bed.”
      And the wisest of them all,
      “Oh, yeah?”

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  39. sweetmad says:

    I just read some of the replys,to my post about Mr Nilan,you are right I know nothing about the man,I can’t say I am crazy to learn about him,he is the past.

    I am interested in the future,I want to see a future where the best players are playing hockey and not some other sport.With less and less young people signing on to play hockey,of course because of the cost both financially,and because of the lifestyle hockey parents have to have.Also because more and more parents,don’t want their children playing such a dangerous sport,hockey will kill itself eventually,or it really will be a bush NHL.

    • Ron says:

      You should take the time when you have some free time and read up on him. He is far from the past as you put it. Maybe in between your anti fighting posts which are yours to post. You maybe surprised in the life he has led and what he has overcome. He almost daily travels from school to school promoting the anti bulling campaign that is in effect all across Canada. He makes no bones about his life whether in the past or the future. His present life is a testiment to how one can overcome addictions, depression etc. Take sometime and learn about a good Hab, team player and an honest shooter…

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Plus he’s the only guy with a Boston accent I like. 🙂
        Well said, Ron.

        • ffenliv says:

          Man, his accent drive me nuts. Not because of the association, just the way it sounds.

          I love listening to what he has to say. Can’t stand the way his mouth makes the noises! 😛

      • sweetmad says:

        Ron,I like what you say about Mr Nilan,and that he goes around the country,talking about anti bullying,the fact that he has overcome addiction,shows some character but the fact that he became an addict in the first place was his choice to make.

        As far as I can see bullying is exactly what happens in hockey,that is why we had to go out and get an enforcer.The Habs were near the top of our conference, at the end of the season.Then we were bullied out of the playoffs.Do you think that Emery forcing another goalie to fight is not bullying,or what happened in the Pens Gooins game wasn’t bullying.The same thing as far as I am concerned.
        GO HABS GO

        • Ron says:

          Not going to rebutt back and forth here on Chris Nilan. But in someways his becoming an addict in the first place was his choice..I don’t agree on that. The game of hockey included intimidation as a way to get an upper hand on your opponent. The bulling in hockey has always been there and will continue to be for a very long time. The Emery assault was not intimidation and should have been dealt with by the league which chose not to. I’m afraid that no matter how much we all rant about the fighting aspect for or against isn’t going to sway the league. This is the NHL as it has been for years and will be for sometime to come with some changes we all hope to curb some of the crap.

      • keviathan says:

        Yes, well said Ron – I’ll also add that the documentary The Last Gladiators which featured Nilan was really interesting on many levels and showed first hand a lot of what Ron mentions. I don’t think it will change anyone’s opinion on whether there should or shouldn’t be fighting in hockey but if you have an open mind I guarantee it will give you some real insight into what enforcers go through and the roles they play for the team. After watching the film I think it’s a safe bet to say that Chris Nilan played a key role in us winning the cup in 1986, and I don’t know if we would have won without him both on the ice and in the dressing room.

    • wjc says:

      Hockey has always been a dangerous, high speed game. The violence of the 70’s did not discourage too many from participating. The rewards were a lot less also.

      If a kid has the talent he will play in most cases. He can go the scholorship route as an alternative. 90% of hockey players come out of hockey just fine, of course some will have joint issues and some will have concussion issues. Football is worse and baseball requires hitting a curve ball at 90 miles an hour, this stops a lot of hopefuls.

      Hockey is now expensive to play, but where there is a will there is a way. If you are good enough things can be made to happen. Kids like ths sport because of its roughness. Ruger anyone, boxing anyone, even though wrestling is phoney you need alot of atheltic ability to throw yourself out of a ring or jump from the top rope.

      Ping pong is relatively safe, but not as satisfying


    • wjc says:

      He played hockey at the highest level, he was tough, he was feared, he could play on a regular line. He knew his role, played it to perfection.

      Is now a radio personality, not as easy as it looks, though, but he pulls it off.


  40. docketrocket says:

    The Subban BS continues. As if these guys could carry his hockey bags.


  41. DipsyDoodler says:

    Big game tonight: Our own Marc Treisman’s Bears against the Cowboys. The winning team becomes tied for 1st in their division.

  42. Eddie says:

    Has anyone seen Scott Savage play at Boston College?

    He’s a 1995 dman who did not get drafted last year at the NHL draft. He is an Amerian from California, and he looks like he will certainly be drafted this coming year.

  43. Reflektor says:

    Could Ron McLean handle Brad Richards as a Leaf?

  44. VancouverHab says:

    It looks like Kerry Fraser has published a rebuttal to UCE’s (well-written) assertion here yesterday that hockey fighting does not serve as an effective safety valve:

    “Oddly enough, sometimes a fight can help bring the temperature down.”


  45. Bill says:

    Habsolutely: Wow. I guess you’d better toe the line there, buddy. I was married once, glad it wasn’t to a sharpshooter, or I likely wouldn’t be posting here now!

  46. DipsyDoodler says:

    I didn’t see the game but did Claude Julien keep putting Thornton on the ice whenever Orpik was also on the ice?

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Thornton had three shifts the entire game, two coincided with Orpik, his first shift when the initial hit on Eriksson occurred and his last shift when something else apparantly occurred.

      You can use this website to see the shifts.


      • Timo says:

        What happened? I haven’t seen much about it.

        • DipsyDoodler says:

          “Thorny”, who’s a jolly good fellow, a really jolly good fellow, stepped over the line, but some other people did too, and he wouldn’t have stepped over the line if others hadn’t stepped first.

          • HabinBurlington says:

            So your saying a GIant Hopscotch game broke out?

          • HabFab says:

            I’m confused now! I thought it was Orpik who crossed the line by;
            – daring to hit a Bruin player
            – not be man enough to fight
            – making a Bruin player look real real bad

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        That chart states Orpik wasn’t on the ice when Thornton was ejected.

        I remain convinced that Julien put Chara out on the ice on purpose for the Pacioretty hit. Remember he’d been trying to get him for two games. At the time of the hit there was an icing so Pacioretty had to stay on the ice. The game was essentially over (4-0 Habs and 16 sec left in the 3rd).

        Obviously it would make sense to put Chara out there for an O Zone face off against a tired quintet, but I still think Julien thought this was a perfect spot to let Big Zee ( a good guy too by the way, never been suspended) go to town.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          The way I read the chart, Thornton comes on the ice at essentially the end of Orpiks shift and proceeds to begin discussing theology.

          I am not adverse to your theory on Julien either.

  47. sweetmad says:

    Just read a point about the grammer and spelling on NHL and TSN,could it be that they don’t have the teachers,to correct them,as we do on here,I think most of the errors on here are typo’s.

  48. HabFab says:

    Europe tries to form a new League of sorts, the Champion League with 26 teams from the individual National leagues… no KHL teams;

  49. sweetmad says:

    Chris Nilan is one of the lucky ones,or maybe not,I never saw him play or fight,thank goodness,perhaps if he suffered as some other players have suffered,with depression, he would not be so quick to defend fighting.As far as I can see,he has to defend fighting to justify his own fights.

    When my children were little,if they fought,I told them,”if siblings cannot get along how do you expect countries too”.The same goes for sports teams.

    Fighting in any way,leads to hatred and wars,look how so many fans hate other teams and fans.As far as I am concerned one step leads to another.You just have to look at the thugs in European soccer,the riots at a soccer game,this weekend in South America,there was nearly a war in South America a few years ago because of soccer.People have been killed because they supported a team.

    Sportsmen should never set that example,and anyway what is wrong with a good skilled hockey game,now that is a pleasure to behold.

    • boing007 says:

      Chris Nilan did suffer from depression, and a whole lot more. Read his book.

      Richard R

    • Ron says:

      Your away off on your assesment of Mr Nilan. Maybe you should google him and read up on his life. Its quite obivious you know little about him to be making such statements.

    • VancouverHab says:

      So by your logic you will ban all martial arts and boxing clubs.

      Also by your logic, martial arts, boxing, & hockey fights cause war and hatred.

      Not feeling your logic here, bro’….

      • HabinBurlington says:

        A quick click on sweetmad’s avatar you will see she is a lady. And do you really believe she is applying that logic to sporting events based on a fighting type competition like martial arts and boxing?

        • VancouverHab says:

          Well, I ain’t sayin’ the teens’ opposite of “bro'” ever, and I hear my daughters call each other “dude” all the time…

          As it happens, I don’t click on people’s avatars–it appears rude.

          And to your question, yes, she is saying that fighting in sports causes hatred and war. That’s a direction quotation. Boxing is a sport, and so are some martial arts. Ergo, she thinks that boxing and some martial arts should be eliminated.

          It’s a pure syllogism, bud.

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        And yet you think PJ Stock is a modern day Aristotle.

  50. montreal ace says:

    I think most of the fights this year have been pretty clean, its been the hockey thats been dirty lol

  51. Phil C says:

    Anyone know why Dupuis doesn’t have a hearing for breaking Kelly’s ankle with a slash? It was clearly on purpose. It seems to be forgotten with all of the other stuff.

    With Kelly and Eriksson out long term, Boston’s depth will be really tested.

  52. Bill says:

    Reading some comments on tsn.ca/nhl and wondering if you have to fail some kind of intelligence/English test in order to be allowed post there? I have never seen so any dumb comments so close together, and I have been to hockeybuzz once or twice!

    Full Breezer 4 Life

  53. habs_54321 says:

    anyone have good link for free FULL episodes of 24ch? need to catch up on all of this years episodes and can only find flashes or bits and pieces of many episodes, preferably in english but french will suffice

  54. HabFab says:

    AllHabs looks at the impending Hab UFA’s;


    A little early perhaps…

  55. JUST ME says:

    Say what you want but i can`t help but conclude that it is not purely coincidal that the Bruins are always involved in those unfortunate events. He is a good guy, he has no previous record, he did not intend to…

    It`a team culture thing. And after that we are the ones accused of embellishment !
    As if it was not already obvious enough now they are being looked at more and more everywhere the same way they should be as a bunch of toothless goons that have nothing to do with what hockey should be. But call me Gary enjoys the show and does not care about collateral damages…

    • ffenliv says:

      While you may be right about the culture, every time a guy is slapped with something like this, teammates will say that he’s a decent guy. It’s what teammates do.

      I’ve been watching Thonrton play since his junior days in Peterborough. He was a bit of a hot-head in the OHL, but so was every goon back then.

      He really doesn’t have a history of this stuff. I think his actions were inexcusable, and he’ll pay a game/salary price for it. But I think it’s unfair for people to paint him as a terrible guy after one really stupid moment.

      I’ve done stupid things in my life. I rear-ended a guy on a highway once at a pretty good speed. I don’t want to be labeled as a moron because of that one incident the rest of my days.

  56. Lafleurguy says:

    Roy Halladay signs a one-day contract in order to retire as a Blue Jays.


    “May you live in interesting times.”

  57. HabFab says:

    HabsWorld Q1 report card on the Dogs D and goal;

    • B says:

      Their division is very weak so far this season. They only have 3 more points than the 9th, 10th and 11th place teams in the conference (and 13 points less than 1st place Abottsford).

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • Steven says:

      Wow, Thrower’s really lighting it up; he’s at a point per game pace. Haven’t heard a thing about him this year, so he’s doing that fantastic work rather quietly.

      Also interesting is the production of Gregoire, Hudon and Reway. They all have quite a few points, but Reway has the most with the least games played. Very impressive.

  58. Timo says:

    You Might Also Like asks “Who are we?” with picture of Boone staring at me intently.


  59. HabFab says:

    And who does the Toronto Sports Network have ranked as #1 in the East?

  60. WAR72 says:

    Starting to realize something. My friends who enjoy watching a fight. are those who have never been in one. With all due respect to some of my buddies, they are wimps who would get their asses kicked on or off the ice vs. just about anyone.

    Unfortunately, ivebeen in my share of fights. Real ones. Dangerous in the street battles where ive had to step up n certain circumstances to fight or get hammered. Its not fun. Its scary. It can be deadly.

    I have to switch the channel when i see grown men go toe to toe. Mma makes me sick as well. But at least thats the sport. When i watch hockey i wanna see hockey. Not fighting. My daughter would agree with me.

    Its gross.

  61. D Man says:

    Question. How can a pylon like Dion Phaneuf be +12 on a team that is -2?

    You can’t be both a Habs and a Leafs fan

  62. Bill says:

    B: You never have to apologize for a good python reference around here. Especially a piranha brothers python reference.

  63. B says:

    TSN said Neal gets 5 games and will “forfeit $128,205.15”. $128,205.15 / 5 games = $25,641 per game. As per cap geek, his salary is $5M this season (no bonuses). $5M / 82 games = $60,975 per game. Why does this not add up for me?

    Another question, if a player gets half his salary in a signing bonus, does that count as part of his salary when calculating how much he loses per game when suspended? If not, then guys who get suspended a lot should get their agents to make their contracts bonus heavy.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Players are paid “per day” not per game during the season.

      • B says:

        Does that mean the lost salary is actually based on the number of days missed? If so, then the salary lost for a particular suspension could vary depending on just how the schedule happens to work out for the games missed? That seems a bit arbitrary to me.

        –Go Habs Go!–

  64. Marc10 says:

    Kings eh. Here’s hoping we win. In the meantime, here’s something to bring some cheer to your day.


    One of those made me laugh out loud in the middle of the office…

  65. adadi says:

    It would be easy to clean up this stuff and jeep fighting in the game.

    1. Call ALL the penalties. You cannot call patches on a boarding call and the not call the Bruins for exactly the same infraction.

    2. Start suspending the coaches for their roles. Julie kept putting Thornton out when Orpik was on the ice. It was obvious that he wanted something to happen. Saturday morning Julie said that retaliation was okay on legal hits.

    Frankly I believe that Julie deserves a bigger suspension than Thornton.

  66. Sportfan says:

    Bengals-Colts wrap up!

    Sports and Entertainment in the link click and enjoy, clicking is fun!

  67. Bill says:

    Okay VHAB, I will look that over ASAP!

  68. adadi says:

    Great news about Markov. Would be a shame for him to get injured with the year he is having.

  69. punkster says:

    Wade through this site for fight stats:

    YTD 2013-14 season
    453 games
    210 fights
    185 players who fought
    132 of the total fights are by players with 5 or more fights (and these guys fight other players, not just each other)


  70. Stevie.Ray says:

    The Fourth Period reported that the Rangers are likely going to use their final compliance buy out on Brad Richards at the end of this season despite him leading the team in goals and points.

    They also reported the Leafs are desperately looking for a top line center due to injuries.

    To me this looks like a match made in Scott Gomez heaven.

    Also, Hawks are looking for a depth forward or defenceman. What could Diaz, Boullion, or Bourque get us?

  71. frontenac1 says:

    Hola Amigos! I like Hockey Fights, Booze,Cuban Cigars and Big Breasted Barmaids.

  72. twilighthours says:


    You’re not attacking Nilan, just his quotes?

    “With respect to your quotes of Nilan, he is far from the brightest pencil in the box, and was very fortunate to play for the Habs for most of his career…”

    I’m confused. It looks like you’re calling Nilan an idiot.

    So if you want a scrap (I’m never one to back down), sure! I’m game. But first you’ll have to explain that. Be nice, though.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Somebody was chirping Knuckles? Really?

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      Is that the best you can do?

      Once again I ask, defend the Nilan quote that you agree with that says Thornton should have attacked Orpik.

      Why do you avoid that, or do you prefer to change the subject when called out?
      An always curious defence of the …..

      • twilighthours says:

        Let us stop dancing around the issue: you insulted Nilan’s intelligence, I called you on it, and now you’ve gone to run and hide. Pulling a Marchand, as it were.

        But I’ll play along, because… Why not?

        I don’t know what Nilan said, I didn’t read the article or watch the clip. It wouldn’t matter anyway. My position on fighting, if you read my posts, is unwavering: I wish for an NHL where fighting did not happen. I detest it. However, it is a part of today’s NHL, and perhaps even a necessary part if things don’t change. I’m also on record as saying that if a player is going to run around, then he might have to answer the bell (I made specific reference to this when Malone jumped emelin in TB that time). My position is consistent. I don’t think – in my ideal NHL – orpik should have to fight Thornton, but in the real world, he probably does. This doesn’t excuse Thornton’s actions, which were disgusting. I also happen to think that orpik’s hit was dirty. So in the bizarro world of NHL vigilantism, orpik had it coming. Full disclosure: I am not qualified to speak on the inner machinations of the tough guy code in the NHL. I disagree with Nilan on principle, but I would never dream to have the perspective on the issue that he does. If he thinks it was necessary, I would just concede that we understand things differently.

        But this is all just scenery: you, sitting behind a computer on the beautiful south shore of NS, wrote that he was stupid. That’s gutless. It’s Internet tough-guyism. I’m calling you out, buddy – you would never say to Nilan, across the bar, that he’s not the sharpest/brightest pencil in the box. All you had to write was “I don’t really agree with him on this,” and it would have rung true, and it would have been brave and honest.

        I no longer expect an explanation of what you wrote. I’m just chalking it up to a bad day on your part. We all have them, right?

        Now I’m going to put my kids to bed. Don’t confuse a lack of response as conceding any possible point you might have to make. I’ve said my piece, however, and you are welcome to the last word.

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          Once again, a refusal to answer the question…but it’s great to know you care for your children and take the time to put them to bed.A tip of the hat for that.
          As for the rest….you are way off base.

    • WAR72 says:

      Nilan is an idiot.

  73. Bill says:

    Dear Hobie: With all due respect, my friend, your post about having to drastically change the NHL – by removing hitting – to eliminate fighting is complete baloney.

    You say that it’s inevitable that guys who play each other for 82 games, scrapping in the corners for pucks and hitting each other, will eventually attack each other.

    I say, the majority of players in the NHL right now do not fight. Probably 3% of the players in the NHL right now are goons who fight in response to anything. I would say another 15% are guys who will fight if provoked. That leaves more than 80% of the players in the league who simply don’t fight.

    If you eliminate fighting as an acceptable, lightly-penalized option, the goons will autmatically disappear. No more Orr, nor more Scott, no more Parros, etc. That’s the vast majority of fights right there.

    The other guys are hockey players who are not going to attack someone if it means ejection from the game and a suspension.

    Most of the fights in the NHL are between guys who DO NOT play a lot, have to fight in the corners for pucks, or play a real role in how the game turns out. That’s a fact.

    Your post is just wrong.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I wonder what the actual statistic is for what percent of fighting is happening between what percent of the players.

      Right now MTL has had 21 fighting majors; second most in the NHL.
      28.5% of those fights were fought by Prust. 24 % were fought by Parros.
      So two players have fought 50% of our fights.

    • VancouverHab says:

      Bill: I have the genial and respectful response to your epic on Pj Stock, but, although I can post in general here, I am unable to make the reply that you deserve appear on the site.

      As an alternative, do you have an e-mail address that you care to share?


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