Habs look to end slump against Lightning; Beaulieu sent back to Hamilton

The Canadiens will be looking to end a three-game losing streak when they take on the Tampa Bay Lightning Thursday night at the Bell Centre (7:30 p.m., TSN-HABS, RDS, TSN Radio 690).

The Canadiens didn’t hold a morning skate Thursday after dropping a 6-4 decision to the Penguins Wednesday night in Pittsburgh. The Canadiens have been outscored 18-8 in the three losses to Toronto, Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

The club did announce that defenceman Nathan Beaulieu has been returned to the AHL’s Hamilton Bulldogs. In six games with the Canadiens this season, Beaulieu has two assists and is plus-5.

With Wednesday’s loss, the Canadiens dropped to second place in the Northeast Division and fourth place in the Eastern Conference with 57 points (26-12-5). The Boston Bruins (26-11-5) also have 57 points, but have played one less game. The Toronto Maple Leafs (24-14-5), sitting in fifth place in the conference standings, are only four points behind the Canadiens.

The Leafs play host to the New York Islanders Thursday night. The Bruins, coming off an emotional 3-2 shootout loss to Buffalo on Wednesday night, are back in action Friday when they play host to the Penguins.

“We are trying to prepare ourselves for the playoffs and obviously we didn’t have a good night, and we’re going to have to tighten up our defensive game,” coach Michel Therrien said after the loss to the Penguins. “We can’t give up six goals, five goals like we’ve been doing the last three games. We have to get back to basics.

“Defensively, there was too much room between the forwards and the defencemen,” the coach added. “We don’t play as a unit of five and that makes us an easy team to play against.”

Therrien appealed to his veterans to turn things around, saying: “We’re facing a difficult time and it’s time to show we’re solid as a group. I thought tonight we had good intention, but we gave up some early goals and lost confidence.”

(Photo by Gene Puskar/The Associated Press)

Game Preview: Canadiens vs. Lightning, canadiens.com

Canadiens aim to end skid against Lightning, nhl.com

Canadiens fall 6-4 to Penguins, by Pat Hickey

Canadiens’ playoff preparations not going as planned, by Pat Hickey

Penguins have become the model NHL franchise, by Pat Hickey

Canadiens vs. Penguins photo gallery

Habs season tickets a family affair since 1940s for Flinker family, by Brenda Branswell

Lightning’s Labrie tough on ice, not off, by Tampa Bay Times

Penguins’ newcomers show the way in win over Canadiens, by Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

Boston fans mourn, then cheer at Bruins game, montrealgazette.com

410 Comments

  1. jedimyrmidon says:

    I saw that there has been a lot of debate over “The Future” down below, and how it is basically this theoretical Utopia that doesn’t exist, and how MB shouldn’t have been afraid to use the draft picks he has right now to get some more players.

    Well, here’s what happened in the Recent Past: the 2011-2012 disaster of a season where the Habs accumulated some nice draft picks for their [poor] effort.

    You don’t just use those draft picks to acquire rentals or depth at the trade deadline or near the trade deadline during a lockout-shortened season right after tanking and with a brand new management in place.

    The smart thing to do, and this is what MB has done, is to use those picks for The Future; by the way, looking towards The Future only began last year unlike the Flames, the Oilers and the Leafs that have been stuck in that position for years. It’s senseless for people to seemingly lump the Habs in that category.

  2. D Mex says:

    Of all the D-prospects down on the farm, it’s Beaulieu that I was most anxious to see in action. Now, I’m left with concerns following at his brief stints with the CH.
    I enjoy the offensive D-Man model immensely but, to work well, believe it has to be rooted in solid Defensive foundation. #40 didn’t show that – not even close. Either that, or his D-switch was turned off for whatever reason(s) while with the big club.
    I hope he can bring more – and stick – in the near future.

    ALWAYS Habs -
    D Mex

  3. Strummer says:

    CNN reported arrests in the Boston Bombings
    yesterday then had to backtrack when their “reliable” sources were bogus.

    Didn’t know they hired Aron Ward and Dreger
    ______________________________________________________
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  4. mksness says:

    So should the habs try to play defensive tonight? meaning no defensemen pinching in, forwards to always come back?

  5. Old Bald Bird says:

    What in tarnation does freedom of speeceh have to do with a privately run website? Inquiring mind seeks advice from smart lawyer.

    • kirkmullerisgod says:

      I was speaking more in general terms. However I see where you are going with this and I tend to agree. There is apparently precedent that “privately owned public places” can be viewed as zones of free speech according to bruice ziff. haha I think its a tenuous argument at best. any way, I’m done being a troll. sorry guys.

      jesus died for our sins so lets get our money’s worth

    • Bripro says:

      Smart ….. lawyer….
      Isn’t that an oxymoron?

    • bwoar says:

      OBB, to be honest I thought Sholi’s post about free speech was complete bull, and perniciously attempts to narrow the definition of free speech.

      Some folks here think they are entitled to 1) not be offended; and 2) not be censored, and either case is wrong.

      People are free to troll here, and free to be called trolls. We’re equally free to ignore posts as we choose or comment randomly, free to repeat the same opinions over again, free to be a heel one day and a hero the next, free to enjoy the site within the limits that are established under “THE RULES” in the right-hand column.

      Not sure why anyone thinks they ought to qualify as the free speech or the troll police, but, we are free to behave that way, and that’s part of what makes the place fun.

      “thoroughbred”

  6. pmaraw says:

    Luck? yes please! A lot of the goals I’ve seen by the Habs this year have been pretty solid goals. Goals of the ‘I meant to do that’ sort. When you see the goal scorer after he’s scored and is sitting on the bench looking at the replay, they have the appearance of ‘Yup, I did that.’ not ‘How did that go in?’

    Lately however there has been a large number of goals against the Habs, imo, that are of the ‘How did that go in?’ sort. Now I’ll admit, I didn’t watch the whole Pitt game, mostly cause I’m working stupid amounts of hours at work. Despite that, I fully believe the team is just not getting the bounces right now.

    Hard work pays off and the team is fully putting in the work, I’m just hoping that sooner than later the extremely terribly bad luck coin flip will land habs side up, maybe we’ll get some ‘How did that go in?’ goals? We’re certainly due.

  7. Loonie says:

    @KirkMullerIsGod,

    Please stay here. Don’t make this a one time thing.

    You’re awesome.

  8. Habs_4_ever says:

    Can someone explain to me what P.K. did to merit a game misconduct? Two minutes for unsportsmanlike conduct I could maybe accept but a game misconduct seems excessive to me. This fuels the theory that he is the most disliked player in the league. F___ all the haters!

    ————————
    “Leave the gun, take the cannoli.”

    • B says:

      I believe it was a 10 minute misconduct, but with less than 5 minutes to go in the game.

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • krob1000 says:

      They were saving him and the game from something worse escalating. Someone earlier mentioned they shoud have done the same with Morrow…I agree as well and the coincidentals with Prust would have been a perfect oppoortunity for that matter to remove Prust and Mororw too.

    • Chris says:

      It was two minutes for roughing and a 10-minute misconduct, with about 5 minutes to go. Hence the early shower.

  9. secretdragonfly says:

    What the……????? I leave you boys alone for a couple of days and this place degenerates into a mud-slinging, name-calling, insult-hurling cesspit. Nice.

    • Bripro says:

      OH so that’s it, eh Sherry?
      You leave, come back, read a few psychotic comments, and throw the gang of us under the bus.
      You’ll notice, I’ve been as nice as always.
      Now Front, on the other hand….. ;)

  10. ed says:

    one last thought before we turn the page.

    considering the Pens’ injuries and the team they fielded last night, would it be fair to say that they are the team to beat??

    holy crap!

    they hit everything that moved…twice and three times over.

    • B says:

      Anything can happen once the playoffs start. The Penguins have been one of the top regular season teams for a while now, but in the last 2 playoffs they went out in the first round. In the last 3 seasons, the Penguins have won 12 playoff games, the same as Montreal.

      –Go Habs Go!–

    • Chris says:

      That team is just stupidly stacked, if healthy.

  11. Chris says:

    Just a point on the Summit:

    Can we please not use the HI/O Summit as some sort of tool to segregate the HI/O community?

    I’m sure that those of you that have attended the Summits have had a great time. And I hope that people continue to have Summits for a long time as it seems to be an event that people value greatly.

    Other people here don’t attend the Summits for a variety of reasons: they cannot afford tickets to the game, can’t get the time off work, live too far away, etc. In my own case, I have no desire to attend the Summit because I actually DO try to protect my online anonymity as much as reasonably possible.

    Attending the Summits has nothing to do with somebody’s relative value or contributions to this website forum, nor are people who attend the Summit any more likely to be fine, upstanding members of the HI/O community. Some of the most frequent flame-war participants are people who attend the Summits every year.

    The very first Summit resulted in some hard feelings, subsequently patched up, between participants and non-participants. I would really prefer to see us avoid trying to create Round 2 of that nonsense.

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I’d like to go to the Summit but I’m afraid I’ll get beat up.

    • mksness says:

      well that was nice and civil… you’re not invited anymore because without a round 2 how can there be a round 2? :-p

    • Ron says:

      Thank you, thank you Chris. I read that piece that Shane put on as a comment and was going to reply but did not want to get anything started over it but you have brought forth my exact thoughts on the matter. It would appear that in Shanes mind only those who attend the Summit are the real members of HIO and all should follow in the way they think and post or reply to posts. Shane appears to be a good guy but his ideas on life don’t necessary become everyone elses. Last week Mike Boone made note to someone to spell Saint John correctly and Shane came back with what appears to be a comic remark to Boone about the smelly Saint John. Well Shane I was born here and raised my family here and took exception to his remarks. And Shane if you are on your way to YOUR island this summer please stop in and introduce yourself. I would like to have a beer with you and maybe we could talk and show you this smelly place. Our good friend Ian can vouch for me so this is not some threat, just maybe get you to open up abit. Should loosen up abit.

      • Oh my god NO!

        I was comparing members here who speak out and say whatever they want and think it’s OK (while breaking the rules to the right)

        I was explaining the difference between people at the Summit to trolls here. You would never hear that type of talk at the Summit, described they way they do here.

        I am not starting to get extremely upset over the overreacting to an opinion of mine. You are all picking it apart.

        Making me look like an ass.

        Thanks a lot Chris, Ron! Not even close to the truth!

        EDIT: Saint John joke really? It was a joke. Just like we Islanders and Newfies make fun of each other. Just like the Cape Bretoners and the Scoatians! The flatlanders and the tree huggers!

        WOW!

        I sat with Boone for two hours listening to his stories, do you think for one minute I was making of Saint John or him? Not impressed! Pft

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
        http://www.Sholi2000.com
        Custom Sports Figures

        • Ron says:

          No real thanks Shane, re-read your post. Your wording was self explanatory. I’m not asking for you to be impressed and wasn’t trying to make you think you had to. Using the Summit as away for people to act here is not cool no matter how important you think you are. Nice edit on that Summit post. I’m I wrong in reading you’d stand on a table and introduce people or did you delete that part. And in regard to the smelly remark, I asked you at the time if you were joking, you didn’t think it worthy to set me straight on the comedy aspect then but now you can. Pft

        • The Dude says:

          Why the hell did you join the Canadian Military and in defending the Country and it’s freedoms when your not willing to live by them for all ? Just because people have their opinions and they differ from yours is it necessary for you to call them ‘Trolls’ Shane?
          Look , I appreciate your service but trying to cull the freedoms and individuality of fans too suit your needs is remarkably selfish for a person who’s been through what you’ve been though. Your better than that ! Peace!

  12. mksness says:

    So what do we think of weber? does he get another chance to play. i thought he looked alright last night.

    • Loonie says:

      I don’t know about Shea but Yannick looked pretty darn good last night.

      • mksness says:

        wouldn’y mind dressing shea… that would be a dream. U know what, yannik has had a tough season being benched for the most of it and seeing rookies being called up to take his potential spot. i hope he plays well so he can either get some more ice time with the habs or find his way into a nhl lineup somewhere else.

        • Loonie says:

          He’s been treated like crap. End of story.

          • Chris says:

            The treatment of Yannick Weber, Tomas Kaberle and Scott Gomez is not one of the bright lights of this otherwise surprising season.

          • Loonie says:

            Funny that we were sold a bill of goods that this new group was above that kind of treatment.

          • mksness says:

            i feel bad for kaberle too…. not so much for gomez

          • Loonie says:

            Think about it from Gomez’s perspective. If he truly cared about his disappointing play and based on his words and actions it seems he did. It is a shot to the heart to be told you’re part of the teams plans a week and even a night before being sent home.

            That was garbage. If they didn’t want him all they had to do was tell him they might be moving on from him and that anything was possible with the CBA. They mislead him.

          • mksness says:

            i thought they were kinda like being nice to the media not wanting to call out a player but behind closed doors saying buddy you’re toast.

            i know gomez felt like poop after his performance but that’s on him. if i stunk at my job i don’t have a million dollar cushion so i mean he’s still making out alright.

          • Loonie says:

            Just like I have no sympathy for Cammalleri being traded during a game. But that doesn’t excuse how each situation was handled.

    • savethepuck says:

      Since Beaulieu was sent down to Hamilton, and Diaz is not expected to be ready until At least Saturday, I expect to see Weber again tonight.
      The only other available DMan on the roster is Kabs, and I don’t see that happening.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  13. ed says:

    here’s a thought:

    how about Price puts his old pads back on for tonight’s game.

    old pads = we win

    new pads = we stink

    I think that qualifies as “hockey algebra”

    • mksness says:

      his new pads are already broken in…new equipment for goalie gets broken in during practises. the hardest part to break in is the catcher anyways. Price is already using a more flexible pad unlike his rebook P4s last year.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Not enough.
      Either Burly leaves Myrtle and goes home to put on the lucky No.4 (which he SHOULD have brought with him), or else someone in the neighborhood breaks in and puts it on.

      Don’t MAKE me come over there!

    • in habs we trust says:

      Ed this isn t going to be like the red pads vs.the white pads debate I hope?

      “R” Habs

  14. Hobie Hansen says:

    What’s with this place the last 24hrs? Let’s get back to having some heated, but respectful, debates about the Habs boys and girls!

  15. The Jackal says:

    I posted quite a lengthy post that appears not have gone through.
    I’m just going to put it in a short summary.

    Boone’s ALN is mostly right – we may contend this year, probably won’t win a cup – MB assessed the team and reached that conclusion.
    His plan is to contend perennially, not go all in after one season that while impressive, shows the team has a few glaring holes, like on D. These cannot be addressed via rentals on deadline day, not for what was offered or for the price.

    It is best to stock up on assets and trade from positions of strength instead of gambling with a player that would not put the team over the top.

    So.. for those of you still sore about standing pat, just remember that a trade or two would not have been the answer.
    The D needs more improvement than that and we have it on the way.

    Slump or no slump, that is the reality.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  16. Stu Cowan says:

    For those of you who have been asking why some comments were deleted from the site last night, here’s the explanation from our tech people: We banned a commentor last night for out-of-line comments and that person’s username was removed from the list. The letters in his username included “aj” and when WordPress saw “aj” in Budaj, comments about the Habs goaltender were caught in a spam filter. Valid comments have since been approved and we’ve made changes in the way we remove usernames from the list to avoid similar situations in the future. A reminder to all HIO fans about the rules of the site:
    “Hockey Inside/Out encourages lively debate, but there is a zero-tolerance policy regarding racism, profanity and behaviour that we deem to be offensive.
    We will, without warning, ban those who do not abide by this simple rule, so as to maximize the enjoyment of readers and participants of both sexes and all ages.”

  17. Hobie Hansen says:

    I was happy to hear Therrien say the space between his forwards and defence was too large, during his press conference last night.

    I hope that mean the the forwards will be back checking their asses off starting tonight. Or it means they’ll be lining 4 players up at the blue line, because that defense is feeble.

    In the second half of last night’s game it looked like some of the Habs players were fed up and frustrated and finally started to throw a few hits. Hopefully they’re angry and motivated going forward because that’s very important. Playing with some anger and aggression is key, especially in the playoffs.

    • krob1000 says:

      I am hoping it means the D will pass the puck forward more and that Diaz helps that. The forwards are breaking into openngs…the puck goes d to d….and then they get pressured, forwards are stopped and further away. Puck either gets picked off or forward gets flattened upon receipt. Bourqie and Patches were the only ones I saw adjusting with a contsant chip ad chase but they are big enough to do that. Diaz will help I hope because Emelin loss is hurting bad.

    • Wow!

      EDIT: Thus endeth the lesson!

      Shane Oliver
      Twitter @Sholi2000
      http://www.Sholi2000.com
      Custom Sports Figures

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      Excuse me LOL? Are you sure you’re talking to the correct person?

      Oh @sholi2000?

    • The Jackal says:

      Aaaaaand this is an example of a first post failure.

      Sholi we got your back!

      Free speech is overrated anyway Mr. Lawyer ;)
      Not to poke at your degree, but it appears you don’t know what a diatribe is, and you appear to have overlooked Sholi’s argument either way. In no way was he condemning free speech, he was saying it does not give anyone the right to abuse it – something that the law surely recognizes.

      Try harder next time :D

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    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Please send me an Amazon link for this book so I can read it and stop being a layman, too, and then join you in educating that silly Sholi.

    • mrhabby says:

      just a hockey blog site ..nothing more than that.

      • Mattyleg says:

        Haha!
        You’re calling everyone an idiot now!

        Maybe you’re a troll, which is why you’re so upset that Sholi singled you out?

        …or maybe I’m way off.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        It’s BOONE!

        Clearly sick of today’s schizophrenic swinging between optimism and pessimism.

        “alexander perezhogin”! Perfect! It’s an anagram of Boone xGazette Shit Stir!

      • kirkmullerisgod says:

        @mattyleg
        no bro, I just get upset when I see people advocating for the derogation of the limited rights and freedoms we still have.

        jesus died for our sins so lets get our money’s worth

      • aemarchand11 says:

        ok now just zip it…

        hockey blog, not a free speech debate.

      • bleedhabs81 says:

        Derogation of the rights and freedoms we have?

        What gives anyone the right to throw out insults?

        Free speech is one thing, being a loud mouth D-bag is another.

      • Loonie says:

        Haha. Awesome. The man who takes the Lord’s name in vain with a username suggests we all heed the directive of the Almighty.

        I love it.

        You’re my new favourite member of HIO. How’s your Latin?

      • Mattyleg says:

        Our rights and freedoms aren’t limited.

        The problem is that too many people mistake their right to ‘freedom’ with the right to be an ‘assh*le’.

        And there should always be someone there to call people out when they are.

        Bro.

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • mrhabby says:

        your so easy to get going…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Hey there KMIG,
      Good to see you’ve signed up, sorry to see you’ve only done so to take a swipe at someone on here.

      I think that although the wording of Sholi’s post may have been a bit heavy-handed, his intentions are right, and it seems that you may be reading too much of a personal agenda into his comment.

      I agree with him that the people who come on here and deliberately post inflammatory remarks are annoying and pollute what is generally a damn good forum for hockey discussions. I’ve taken people to task for being too irrationally negative or aggressive or whatever before, and that’s all Sholi is doing down below.

      You calling him a pussy and being otherwise insulting unfortunately only puts you in a bad light, KMIG…

      Hope your future posts are about the Habs!!

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Loonie says:

      Apparently you don’t need any kind of proficiency in English to become an attorney.

      • Mattyleg says:

        HEY!!
        The abuse of capitalization, grammar, and punctuation is NOT A CRIME!

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Ah Matty — speaking of grammar abuse, I hope you saw I had your back at 7.21am!

          [No more REPLY buttons! Someone objected to grammar/spelling corrections, added an unworthy term to your good self, I begged to differ. Rien de grave]

        • Mattyleg says:

          Yeah, I saw that post and didn’t understand it!

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • kirkmullerisgod says:

          I suppose that I shouldn’t be surprised by your reluctance to engage my argument. The people of Quebec have never valued the commitments of the charter.
          see ford v quebec

          jesus died for our sins so lets get our money’s worth

    • Propwash says:

      U mad bruh?

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    • bleedhabs81 says:

      Why the need for the personal attack and name calling?

      Wouldn’t you proclaiming “Lawyered!!!” been sufficient in proving you are smarter than eveyone else (aside from myself, of course).

      Hey guys, what is the difference between a fry cook and a pre-law student?

      Nothing, except the fry cook is just two years older, finished his arts (pre-law) degree, and realized he was too dumb to make it any further.

      There, at least my personal attack had a bit of a story. A little stroll in the woods before the insult… much more fun, right?

    • Bripro says:

      OK…. that was fun!
      BTW (that’s an acronym for “by the way”).
      Don’t know what an acronym is? It’s located in the dictionary between abysmal and a**.
      Anyhow, I digress.
      Kirk, I would love to say “welcome aboard”, but there are a few rules you should be accustomed to… and most of them are posted at the top of this page under the title “The rules”.
      Sholi is a very respectful blogger. If you were a regular instead of a flash-in-the-pan, you would already know that, and would bestow the respect deserved.
      You’re always better to dish out sugar in your comments. It goes farther.
      BTW (yes, that’s the same acronym), the sugar comment is a metaphor.
      But I’m sure that as someone at least as well versed in law as Dr Recchi, you know what that means.

  18. Ghosts of the Forum says:
  19. krob1000 says:

    Also: of the 31 players the Canadiens have drafted since 2008….2 of them..a whopping two are regular contributors…Glachenyuk( a top 3) and Gallagher (a 5th rounder). Other than that you have to go back to the 07 draft to find regular players.
    So 6 years for these guys to develop at least…..I’ll take the now thank you.

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      You basically cherry-picked the window, and exaggerated the years.

      6 years at least? Starting from June 2008? That goes to June 2014.

      • krob1000 says:

        NO I used the most recent window and was not cherry picking and the exaggeration re the 5 vs 6 year was more a case of my stupidity as I was thinking about Subban who I posted about below..my bad there as he was an 07 draft.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Do you have a comparable from other teams? Presumably most ’10-’12 draft picks aren’t playing, so really it’s more the ’08 and ’09 ones we’re talking about.

      In ’08 we didn’t have a first round choice. In ’09 we picked LL, who had a solid rookie stint with the team but has been set back by an injury for sure.

      2010 included Tinordi, Ellis and MacMillan, at least one of whom is predicted to have a long NHL career.

      2011 — Beaulieau and late-round pick Dietz is looking like he might be a nice surprise.

      2012 — not so bad ;)

      Oh, and 2007? PK, Patches and McDonaugh (not with us…so painful, but a great pick)

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Yeah, just looking through the ’09 draft. Not many of those picked after Leblanc have played much in the NHL yet. I imagine it takes longer for later picks to develop. Every year seems like there are a top several who are or are close to NHL ready. Or, to your point, drafting outside of the top 10 is a long shot to impact your team.

      • krob1000 says:

        I wasn’t knocking our drafting…I think the organization drafts great…I was just making the point that by not trading these 2nd picks and beyond and building for the future…people should be aware that future is 5 years or more away on average.

  20. krob1000 says:

    Here is how I view draft picks:
    They are bargaining chips and used to acquire depth. Every single team in the entire NHl will get lucky with some and unlucky at others. Some teams are better than average…Habs are one of these. That fact does not mean we have to acquire more picks..it should be viewed as an advantage meaning the team has more bargaining chips/assets at its disposal to use at any given time. In times where the team is out of contention you acquire these assets, when your team is good and your organization is looking good you use them to imrove now. You will still have others and if you are above average at picking you can afford to have more picks.

    Another issue is picks vs prospects. When they are just numbers it is easier to deal them IMO. Some will think we are giving away the gem ..others will looked at the stats and say well there is a one in four chance we got burned..I like the odds. The best thing about trading those picks that aren’t first rounders typically is that they take a long time to develop normally and it is too much of a stretch to say that player would have been taken in retrospect. When they are prospects it is harder to deal them and you have more to lose as their is a face and a pool of play to have graded and evaluated.
    I see the value of picks I guess differently than most it appears. I see a limited number of roster spots and as long as I can look at a roster and in any given year make a 25 guys roster that is not a stretch I am content (2 extras). Looking at the Teams depth chart I seet that being possible for years to come already. After this draft the team will be set for years with youth…however the vets (who are just as necessary) are trending way down at this tage of their career. Other key players may then become guys who demand trades, get hurt, play falls off, go somewhere as free agents,etc

    All comes back to that simple rule…could have made the team better…and still been strong moving forward IMO.

    • Kfourn says:

      I agree except for one thing, If you give away picks in a trade for help now it may work for teams who are below average at drafting, but for a team like Montreal who are one of the best teams in the draft IMO those picks boost in value considerably when that pick turns into a Gallagher, Subban, etc. and you can get much more in return than for just a pick.

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      • krob1000 says:

        see my above post though…of the last 31 picks 2008 and on…only 2 are contributors. Gally 1 and Gally 2. So Pleks, Gio, Moen, Bourque, Ryder, Prust, Markov will liekly never see any picks suit up bside them …I think it isafe to assume they would have liked a trade. Also of the core guys it wouldbe interesting to see who of them is even around in 6 years.

        • Kfourn says:

          whoops…I really have to stop skimming over long posts

          I guess my point was that you see the Habs as having a lot of assets already and giving up some picks to obtain immediate veteran help would not be a bad thing and that’s a fair assessment.

          My only argument to that was that with the Habs track record we turn those picks into a name and can flip them even out of junior.
          Look at Hudon, Bozon, Colleberg, just from last year’s draft and they are doing very well in their respective leagues. I bet you they could fetch a whole lot more now than their original draft pick.

          _______________________________________________________
          Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

          “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

          • krob1000 says:

            Yes that can go either way for sure…but if you trade the player with the name and he bec omes a star (ie Chara, Luongo,etc) thee is a lot more on the line…..noone carees when it is a number unless it is a top10 pick or something.

          • Kfourn says:

            But now you’re using fan’s emotion as a factor in making a decision. Yes they could turn out to be a super star, but that pick that you gave away could also easily turn out to be a super star. The only thing is you’re getting more value in return for a face, and you have equal opportunity to evaluate said player and see if you want to replace other depth players or trade the player outright. It just gives you more options in my opinion.

            _______________________________________________________
            Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

            “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

          • krob1000 says:

            Re your post below I can’t reply to…my point on that was related to the GM or any posiition for that matter where obviously you would have a self interest as anyone would. I just think it is easier for GM’s totrade for and to trade pikcs because there is less risk. Teams that trade draft picks say it could have been a dud, teams that trade for hem say that could be the next zetterberg. No players that your other prospecfts are rooming with,etc are invovled and there is no retroactive evaluation done like when a prospect is moved.

  21. Bash says:

    Time to really shake it up!

    Galchenyuk Pleks Gallager
    Pac Eller Bourque
    Ryder Deharnais Prust
    Blunden Halpern Dumont

    Markov Drewiske
    Subban Bouillon
    Georges Tinordi

    “If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.” (anon)

    • pmaraw says:

      looks good to me

    • Kfourn says:

      .
      _______________________________________________________
      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  22. L Elle says:

    I’m still a big fan of MB’s. I don’t think anyone, not even he and his group thought the team would go this far. But, they did.

    No matter what the longterm plan is, and I’m hoping it’s winning the Stanley Cup, there have to be adjustments and wholesale changes along the way. Even before the season started, our D was the weakest link. He signed Price to a longterm and expensive contract, and then failed to protect that asset, at least for this season. A much better and bigger D is/was needed, regardless of the teams’ standings.

    I too believe it is a slump when absolutely nothing is going right these days. But, I know for myself, one of the few hilites from last season was Brad Staubitz. The whole team stood taller with him around. I’m not saying our team needs your standard textbook model goon, but when I see giant men crosschecking, face washing and committing other aggressive acts on our players, such as Gally, in front of the net, I would like some of our own in front of ours. Like a Gubranson (just an example). The better the hockey skills, even better.

    I’m not a fan of the staged fight and all the BS that goes on, but if you want to succeed, you have to be one step ahead of your opposition. Unfortunately, to win a SC, you need not only great goaltending and team D, you need about 3 Prusts, but 4 inches taller.

    Of course, our teams’ management group knows all this, and will address it this summer.

  23. HabsWinn-ipeg says:

    My opinion – the Habs have been playing as well as they possibly could up to the last few games – credit for that goes to a)Therriens system that was designed to maximize what he has to work with, b) the influx of young guys who bring a new enthusiasm, and c) the pride of the guys who were here last year and were embarassed with the way things went. The level that the Habs were playing at was not sustainable forever, because the coaches were getting the maximum out of what they had. You could already see the cracks in the D prior to the last few games, but the system covered it. Losing Emelin, again in my opinion, was the tipping point for the D. Diaz comimg back (when/if) may bring things back on the level to some extent. What’s been exposed is that the Habs are a bit thin on D – they have prospects coming – Tinordi, Beaulieu, but we also have players on their way down in Markov and Bouillon – that’s not a slight on them, just reality in my books. I would expect MB to prioritize D issues this summer, having seen what’s going on at present.

    As far as MB’s comments re:expectations for the team this year – I would guess they were delivered to manage the expectations of ravenous fans and media – I don’t think the comments have much if any bearing on the way the players play. I’d bet the players were hoping to be in a position to make the playoffs when they started the year, but didn’t envision being where they are.

    Long and short, the Habs have maxed out their potential this year, and things are starting to come unraveled due to injuries, inability to maintain such a high level of play, and lack of NHL ready depth on D. I would expect to see things balance out over the next week if Diaz comes back, but it remains to be seen if they can get back to the level they have been playing at.

    • kbhab4ever says:

      Markov, Bouillon, esp, Gorges were just terrible the last few games .AND what do the habs do? Send a rookie down typical.
      Plek 1 goal in 14,Pac 1 goal in 8, DD 1 goal in 21 ,Eller 1 goal in 11, Markov 1st on 5 on 5. Galchenyuk time on ice last night 9:45, Eller T.O.I. 14:25 .

    • rhino514 says:

      I think it´s mostly a confidence/ execution issue. Losing Emelin alone doesn´t make you go from one of the best teams in the league to giving up an average of six goals a game. Remember they lost him early in the Boston game and still didn´t give up a goal the rest of the game.
      Losing Emelin hurts, but they are still a good hockey team, just not playing like one.
      Also, regarding Markov, he may not be as good defensively as he once was, but if I am not mistaken, he has played heavy minutes against opponents top lines. I reckon if MT plays him so much in this context, clearly he feels he is still more reliable defensively than most of the other Dmen on the team. His liability defensively may be being slightly overblown. Here´s a situation where it would be interesting to see some of those fancy stats which take quality of opponent and other useful things into account.

      • HabsWinn-ipeg says:

        I think that Markov should be playing 3-4 minutes, with a solid defensive defenceman (who is that at this point?). No slight to him – you just have to use him according to his ability given how his knee injuries have stolen some of his game.

    • kirkmullerisgod says:

      @ sholi2000
      I’m a long time reader of this site (including the comments section) and I just had to sign up to post after reading your incredibly uneducated diatribe on free speech. you are a moron and you just trolled every one on here with a law degree. You have absolutely no understanding of the law or the incredible importance of free speech to our society. Perhaps it might be time for you to crack open a book. might I recommend the constitutional law of Canada by peter hogg as a start. Trolling does not amount to an assault/involve racism/or even the solicitation of crime. the law is not designed to protect your hurt feelings you pussy. why not be honest and admit that all you are campaigning for is a clamp down on internet privacy in the interests of the ever burgeoning police state. You failed as soon as you tried to make a legal argument using morality as the premise. go crack a book you layman.

      jesus died for our sins so lets get our money’s worth

  24. FANHABULOUS says:

    I think the recent slump, the state of our defense, goalie troubles and line combo’s have been discussed pretty well by the HIO community, so I won’t go over it again.

    But, can someone help me understand something please?

    Why, for the love of everything holy, do our player not like to hit? I just don’t get it. I mean, sure, we have a bunch of small guys… but ironically, some of them seem to be the ones with some jam (Gally, Gio even Pleky) who don’t mind some of the rough stuff.

    It’s confusing… if I’m MT, before the next game starts I would say “Bourque, Max, Eller, Prust, Moen, Halpern, Ryder… every single shift you get on the ice, I want you to plaster one of their defensemen into the wall. I don’t care if you score tonight, I don’t care if you make a good pass to setup a goal. HIT one person into the boards really hard on every shift you take. Simple.”

    These guys all have some size. We’re not asking them to fight, or even go after the goons on the other team. Just like other forwards keep finishing checks on our skilled D like Markov and PK, why aren’t our bigger forwards just plastering one guy on every shift? To me, finishing one check on every shift should be an absolute minimum requirement from those types of guys on our team…

    I just don’t get why other teams forwards enjoy throwing hits, but our guys seem to shy away from DELIVERING a hit.

    ____________________________________
    “You will not regret picking me” – PK Subban.

    • B says:

      The Habs are middle of the road ranking 18th in the NHL with 956 hits this season. First overall Chicago ranks 30th in the NHL with 720 hits this season. 5 of the top 10 teams in hits currently hold a playoff spot. 5 of the bottom 10 teams in hits currently hold a playoff spot. Perhaps hitting does not directly correlate to winning?

      –Go Habs Go!–

      • johnnylarue says:

        The Habs have dominated in puck possession for the bulk of the season, and generally speaking, unless you’re Alex Kovalev, you don’t/can’t hit when you have the puck. See: Chicago.

    • kbhab4ever says:

      I like your idea but not going happen except for Prust they all are soft. Moen on that first goal last night , he should of been sent to the room,

    • Old Bald Bird says:

      The Pens were finishing the check all night. I hate that concept, but it is what it is. Late in the game, Pax had a chance to do the same, but he just poked at the puck a turned away meekly.

    • sanman_11 says:

      I can’t help you because I ask the very same thing. they don’t even have to hit every time, just one or two times at the start of a game to make players hear foot steps.

      I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

  25. Maksimir says:

    Anyone remember the link to change avatar’s? I think I am going to retire my chick here for a change of luck.

  26. Les-Habitants says:

    Is Ryder in tonight?
    Heard Diaz is back Saturday

  27. sanman_11 says:

    I think it’s time for Therrion to:

    1) Tell Pacioretty that if he continues to play permiter hockey he can play on the 4th line or sit upstairs

    2) State publically that all goaltending decisions from here on out will be based on play. Hence no one is the annointed #1.

    3) Proclam hitting is not optional especially for 3rd and 4th liners.

    4) Remind them all that Eric Cole didn’t think he would be traded.

    I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

    • Lafrich says:

      You lost me at Therrion…

    • Mattyleg says:

      Heh heh.
      Me too.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • aemarchand11 says:

      1. Pacioretty plays better with another large winger, if he goes with Eller and Bourque i think wed have a more lethal second line…
      2. No.
      3. Checking Clinic maybe will help.
      4. They have months to not worry about that.

      New Lines, which have a better balance. Sorry but Desharnais is really not cutting it right now (at both ends of the ice).

      Pacioretty – Eller – Gallagher
      Galchenyuk/Ryder – Plekanec – Gionta
      Prust/Galchenyuk – Desharnais – Bourque
      Moen – Dumont/Prust – Halpern

      • sanman_11 says:

        For those of you who can’t get passed the coach maybe you can address the 4 points because irrespective of the coach they are relevant and indicative of the play of the team.

        Any ways, in response:

        1) ‘Pacioretty plays better’…does he need someone to go to the bathroom with him as well? He’s a large winger isn’t he? What does having another large winger have to do with him going to the net? He plays perimeter and still is the last guy back? What exactly is he doing? If a player needs to be paired with a certain type of player to be productive then hes not a 1st line guy. Time to lower expectations of Max.

        2) Healthy competition never hurt anyone. If Price is a top goalie, he will earn his starts and telling him this won’t make a difference.

        4) Habs have 9 guaranteed games left. The idea is for them to have at least 21. Complacency will get us 9 games then we can talk about what they can do while the other teams play for the real prize. I’d rather light a spark under them now.

        I’m a HABS fan not a Leaf blower.

      • Old Bald Bird says:

        I don’t think MT wants to play Pax with Eller because he would have to either give Eller more time or Pax less. I don’t think he wants to do either.

      • kbhab4ever says:

        I’d like to see as lines
        Pac – Eller – Bourque
        Ryder – Plek – Gionta
        Galchenyuk – DD – Gallagher
        Dumont – Halpern – Prust
        or
        Gallchenyuk- Eller/Plek – Gallagher

  28. jon514 says:

    Markov will never be the player he was. He is still extremely useful on the PP. Five on Five he can only play on the 2nd pairing due to mobility issues. His “compete” level has also dropped quite a bit. He does not race back after blowing the offensive zone. I would say his play this year has moved him into the “overpaid” category. I like him, but I wouldn’t be opposed to trading him for picks or a younger defenseman in the off-season.

    What do you guys think?

    • Maksimir says:

      I would tentatively agree but wouldn’t commit until I see how he does in the playoffs when the real games begin.

    • kerrgte says:

      Yes. I’m wondering just how useful he can be next year – another year older and another year slower.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      As an 18-20 minute D-man he is excellent. More…not as good.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • savethepuck says:

      I hope I never see Andrei Markov wearing any other NHL jersey. That’s what I think.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

    • Strummer says:

      What makes you think there is a market for a $5.75 million defenceman in a $64 million cap year whose best days are behind him?

      ______________________________________________________
      “It’s just an opinion – I could be wrong”

  29. Maksimir says:

    I know everyone here is frothing will panic but anyone else notice what’s going on with the Bruins these days?

    Got the single point last night but ..

    3 losses in a row and have only won 2 of the past six games…

    Also reports that after being dropped to the fourth line the fearsome Lucic might be a health scratch against the Pens tomorrow.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      It’s the only silver lining in our recent struggles. They could’ve run away with the division with a few wins.

      ‘course, so could’ve we, but we’re being positive here ;)

  30. Maritime Ron says:

    @ krob 1000

    Sorry if I disagree.

    The players are paid to play hockey and then look back as to where we were at the trade deadline.
    We were 23-7-5 playing great hockey-didn’t look exhausted, and Emelin was not hurt.

    Then look at our farm system that was left in shambles. Even after the last draft, there are few publications that have our collective prospects in the Top 15.

    Bergevin was in Chicago from 2008-2012. He saw both during and before his time there what 2nd-3rd and some later picks can do for a hockey team.

    Apart from their 1st rounders, here are a few examples.

    2002: Duncan Keith 2nd- James Wisniewski in the 5th
    2003: Byfuglien 8th round
    2004: Bolland and Bickel in 2nd round
    2005: Niklas Hjalmarsson in round 4

    • Loonie says:

      Chicago draft picks…..

      Brandon Pirri(2nd)
      Daniel Delisle(3rd)
      Shawn Lalonde(3rd)

      Crapshoot

    • krob1000 says:

      We have 3 of them! this year alone….for every 2nd round pick that made it two or three fail. The Habs can do the same..Gallagher 5th , Diaz, Streit, HAlak, Sergei K,etc,etc …that does not impress me that is the reality. So if we can get all of those guys with one of those later picks possibly, there are also free agents, other trades,etc.

      I totally disagree with farm and prospects in shambles? they were picked by nearly every analyst to have been one of the winners of last years draft if not the winner.

      There is only so much of a window with Markov, Pleks and Gionta who are all leaders on this team. Ryder is here now,etc,etc.
      Youc an look at every team and find hidden gems…maybe we should trade some of our stars for a heap of 4th round picks?

      LEt us also call the Penguins and Hawks out for what they really did taht gott hem where they are…they tanked hard…for multiple years. Byfuglien is gone and Bolland and BIckell are not as important as Kane and Toews (tanking), Sharp was a trade, Hossa was not homegrown,etc

      Also in the system as 2nd round picks we have Bournival, Holland, Kristo, Collberg, Thrower,
      These are the ones not there anymore, Latendresse, Maxwell, URquhart, Lapierre, Linhart and Milroy
      Those are the second rounders since 2001…only PK is an impact player. Some of those guys are second rounders the team acquired via trade recently but were second rounders.

      I have not seen any publications that do not have the Canadiens in the top 15 unless they are no longer counting Gallagher and Galchenyuk.

      Either way they are here a long time and the team has many key pieces moving forward.

    • Kfourn says:

      I agree, looking over their draft selections over the years, yes we can agree that it can be a crapshoot, but many over their selections turned out to be very serviceable NHLers, which can later be kept for better depth options or flipped for other needs. You can never have too many assets IMO

      _______________________________________________________
      Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

      “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

  31. AllHailTheFlower says:

    Just wondering if the frothing masses on HI/O have recovered from last night’s debacle enough to discuss the ludicrous and asinine notion the NHL has of icing 6 (yes, SIX!) outdoor games next season?

    If not, then I’ll just go sit quietly in the corner and wait. :)

  32. krob1000 says:

    Just to be clear : I am a huge fan of Bergevin and pretty well every move that has been made…I am only knokcing moves that were not made at the deadline. I have done nothing all year except say how great his signings have been, his Cole/Ryder move was ridiculously good,etc,etc. He has set the tone re bridge contracts and set negotiationg limits IMO. This is all great…but that damn deadline.

    Been bashing the deadline thing pretty hard but want to be clear I am still liking everything else MB has done. I was also very vocal going in that I wanted moves made..and now worst case scenario is playing out with two of the chracter guys going down. I even like the Dd signing as I view it as setting Eller’s salary…and as long as it doesn’t mean him being sent packing. At that point you have a ton of wiggle room.

    Had to clarify that after seeng how many seemingly negative comments I made in a row!! PS …still doesn’t change how I feel about the deadline though

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Here’s the problem with your deadline argument. You, or for that matter, none of us will ever know what was on the table and what was asked for. Were or top prospects asked for? Multiple picks and if so, for whom?

      Sure, Pitt can pay a 1st round choice (26-30) when you have Crosby, Malkin, Neal, Kunitz, Dupuis, Letang…

      Would you want to give up a 2 prospects AND conditional 2nd/1st for 41 year old Jagr. Was he going to bring us the Cup?

      • krob1000 says:

        Just for the record…Subban…perhaps the best 2nd orund pick in Habs history has now arrived as a legit top defender…he also was ahead of the curve right? he was drafted in 2007!!!! nearly 6 years ago. So these 2nd round picks from this year are gonna help us in 2019?

        Just like none of you guys know what the future will bring and noone will be able to attribute a cup win if we do get one to any one move or non move down the raod. It comes down to this for me…we could have made the team better now and still been in great shape as an organziation moving forward I believe…it really is that simple. I don’t belive that the organzation was in a desperate situation to hoard prospects. I like the core of the current team and think there is just as good of ahcance one of our own guys from a later round in a draft that has already happened becomes a star or one of our picks from this draft that we didn;t trade in my hypothetical world could do the same.
        By the way, Neal was a trade, Kunitz was a trade, Dupuis was a throw in.
        Simple rule…if you can make the team better…do it…..for me we didn’t.

  33. SteverenO says:

    @Bowar;

    you wrote:
    ***************************************************
    Your stats are really not useful in analysing Beaulieu’s play. Mainly because your sample size is tiny, but also because they only serve to obscure the truth that’s being played out on the ice. Get up from your computer and watch a hockey game; you one day might be able to evaluate talent as well as your grandma.
    *************************************************

    Is the sample size large enough to analyse Markov’s play?

    I don’t have to ever have seen a hockey game in my life to know that playing 42 minutes and being on the ice of a total of 27 goals, (an average of one goal per every 27 minutes) on a team that averages on even strength goal every 22 minutes is not anything to be proud of.

    Even Strength (goals per minute)
    Over all team average; 1 goal per 22.3 minutes
    With Markov on the ice: 1 goal per 27.5 minutes
    With Markov NOT on the ice: 1 goal 20.2 minutes.

    it is obvious therefore that the team has scored more frequently, and by quite a significant difference , when Markov is OFF the ice then when he is on the ice.

    lets look at the defensive side:

    Even strength:
    Over all team average – One GA every 25.3 minute
    With Markov on the ice: One GA every 20 minutes
    With Markov on the bench One GA every 29 .6 minutes

    We all know that Markov is a good player, but the numbers prove that he is playing WAY too much. If he had a different number on the back of his jersey, the coach would be chastised for continuing to play him so many minutes, and thats with the fact that he would probably be so much more effective with a reduced load notwithstanding.

    Maybe you, Bowar and MT, have a different version of the “truth being played out on the ice” but it’s hard to argue against the facts.

    MT has clearly shown that he does not distribute playing time appropriately to his veteran players, why are you so willing to accept his evaluation of how a young player would perform in a situation that he has never been exposed to?

    No matter how well Mt does a s a motivator and a strategist, he needs to improve on his ability to evaluate and optimize the use of his available resources. If he does not improve in this area the team is playing with a perpetual handicap.

    A Good analogy would behaving two cars available one that gets 20 miles to the gallon and another that gets only 15. On a trip where your objective is to minimize the fuel consumption you can use the vehicle that gets 15 mpg but then drive slower , or you can use the resource best suited for the job at hand.

    Markov is an extremely valuable resource to this team that is being used improperly. Unfortunately, he is not the only resource being misused.

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Chris says:

      Now, who is Markov playing against?

      In almost every game this season, he has been matched up against the other team’s best offensive line.

      When you throw that into the mix, you can see why the straight number isn’t always useful.

      When you’re playing the Tavares line, you’re on your heels because that line is one of the best in the league. Same with the Crosby line. Or the Bergeron line. Or the Stamkos line. Or the Backstrom line.

      That’s who Markov gets to face night in, and night out.

      Those guys are paid to put the other team on their heels, and they do it against almost every defensive tandem they face.

      I think Therrien would have been smarter to roll Subban-Gorges against those top lines more and let Markov log lighter minutes against slightly to significantly lower competition (where his 5-on-5 offence could get a boost), but I’m not an NHL coach for many reasons.

    • bwoar says:

      “I don’t have to ever have seen a hockey game in my life to know that playing 42 minutes and being on the ice of a total of 27 goals, (an average of one goal per every 27 minutes) on a team that averages on even strength goal every 22 minutes is not anything to be proud of.”

      This is exactly why I can’t take you seriously. I DON’T think you’ve ever seen a hockey game in your life, at the rink, at any level. Your “analysis” is what happens when the calculator takes over.

      “MT has clearly shown that he does not distribute playing time appropriately to his veteran players, why are you so willing to accept his evaluation of how a young player would perform in a situation that he has never been exposed to?”

      1. Not distributing ice time correctly to veterans does NOT AT ALL mean he’s making mistakes with young players. It MAY be the case, but you need better proof than you provide. It’s your impression, not a fact.

      2. Without being behind the bench, it’s hard to tell the reasons. I think 10 out of 10 engaged hockey fans could tell you that Markov plays too much. I also don’t think the ENTIRE coaching staff of the Canadiens is blind to it. Maybe we just don’t have the horses to give even more minutes to anyone?

      You tend to get an impression, and dig up stats to justify it. Which I find annoying, is all.

      “thoroughbred”

  34. bwoar says:

    @Loonie

    Bergevin had no intention of trading Cole coming off the season he had. Reality intervened and Cole did as he did. And I doubt MB was dreaming of picking up Halpern on waivers.

    “Reactive” moves?? That’s the very definition of deviation from a plan. Reacting to what happens when a plan meets reality. You may argue it wasn’t enough, but there’s no need to be disingenuous about either move.

    “thoroughbred”

    • Loonie says:

      Trading Cole freed cap space for the next two years. I find it hard to believe that it was a reactionary trade.

      Cole became expendable the moment Gallagher made the team. And since Gallagher made it out of camp with no exhibition games I think it was planned.

      • aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

        Marc Bergevin to Dallas GM Joe Nieuwendyk: “I see that you have a cow by the name of Michael Ryder. How would you like to trade your cow for these magic beans I call ‘Erik Cole’?”

        JN: “Oh, yes please.”

        MB: “Not so fast. These are very MAGIC magic beans, and I would also need to have the deed to a future bovine pick from this year’s county fair.”

        JN: “Gosh… That’s kind of a lot of cows. And Michael Ryder is my best milk producer this year…”

        MB: “These magic beans are MAGICALLY MAGIC beans! They are very large. If you are not interested, I’m sure I can find another sucke… I mean, genius who can see the benefit in this transaction. Good day to you.”

        JN: “No, wait! I accept your offer.”

      • bwoar says:

        Sorry, I think your take on Ryder/Cole is way off. Cole was The Man last year, acted the absolute fool during the lockout, came back out of shape and lethargic. MB reacted and pulled off a pretty sweet trade.

        But eh, if you wanna make it about Gallagher, fine by me. I think that the new #11′s emergence will require a reaction NOW, after we’ve seen him play a bunch of NHL hockey. To me it would’ve been foolish to expect him to play top-6 minutes right from the start and in fact he had to earn his spot by beating out Cole.

        Frankly it’s a wonder that he doesn’t play in Gionta’s spot, but that’s another story.

        “thoroughbred”

  35. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    If the Leafs lost 6-4 to the Pens would TSN call it a blow out loss?

  36. Storman says:

    As for MB holding onto all his picks,, looks like former Lac St Louis Lion and potential star or bust no in between for Anthony Duclair should be available in the 30-40 range,, or maybe,, just maybe??? MB can put a package together with all of our picks, and move up to the #3-5 range in hopes of snagging another former Lac St Louis Lion Jonathon Drouin who is an absolute stud, got to see him play throughout his Midget AAA career with Lac St Louis and recently again in Gatineau with the Mooseheads,, before leaving for Frozen Four last week, also spent some time with him, his personality and work ethic and pure love of hockey and desire to improve daily are astounding, he never ceases to amaze me,, and PURE HANDS of GOLD…

    I took my own Bob McKenzie type straw poll in Pittsburgh on the weekend among scouts I am friendly with at Frozen Four, and former Lac St Louis Lion Jonathon Drouin got my vote for #1 pick,, but relating to the poll he will probably go #3 to #5 range a la Alex Galchenyuk who will end up being the best pick of last year’s draft by far.

    I see the exact future prediction for Jonathon Drouin, he will surpass Seth Jones and Nathan MacKinnon, Valery Nichuskin, Sasha Barkov as the super star coming out of this years upcoming draft.

    One can hope but Jonathon Drouin and Alex Galchenyuk, as a one two punch for years to come is an amazing dream, but most likely just that a dream scenario..

    ps I am sure most have seen this shift by Drouin one of the most impressive assists ever
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7YDx0M51WE

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      That’s a massive pipe dream, but if we had a pick in that range, no doubt I take Seth Jones 100%. I’ve never seen a Dman that good ever at his age.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

      • Storman says:

        Seth will go #1, impossible to move that high, but moving up to say 4 or 5 is sometimes attainable if the right situation falls into place on draft day…

  37. habs001 says:

    The future for the Habs could be closer than people think..Galchenyuk could become the major impact player that the Habs need much faster than people think…The Habs would need to add a top forward(Clarkson?) and and another top d and hope that some of their prospects become impact players like Gallagher…

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      No doubt in my mind Hudon will be an impact player in 2 years.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • savethepuck says:

      I love the kid. He’s been producing at close to a point per game with limited ice time since his “mid season slump”, when people were actually suggesting sending him to the press box or even, God forbid, back to junior. Elite skills for a kid who just turned 19, hard to imagine what his ceiling will be.

      “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
      Carey Price

  38. Bripro says:

    OK are my eyes playing tricks on me?
    It was mentioned again on this site today regarding Price’s great dive across to make a save in the 3rd.
    On RDS and TSN they were all the rave about his save.
    But he didn’t save it. It never even came near him. Markov got the shot in the stomach.
    I like Carey, but I don’t think he deserves credit for that one.

  39. Maritime Ron says:

    There seems to be a lot of chatter about what Bergevin did or did not do at the trade deadline.

    Looking back, if there was 1 deal we may have missed that was 6’4″ 230 lbs. Matt Kassian going to Ottawa for a 6th Round pick in 2014. There was little risk and how many 6th rounders become impact players? As of the moment, we have all of our 2014 picks and everyone knows where we are for 2013 with the gang of picks we already have.

    Getting this guy would have better protected our younger smaller guys, make them feel more confident, and most important give Prust a break in the action.

    Kassian is only 26, costs minimum salary for this year and next, and if there is a need to send him to Hamilton, at least he could protect the bunch of kids that will be there next year.

    And anyone that can punch out Colton Orr is good in my books.
    http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/117159

    All the other trades made were mismatches for us and too expensive and then the chemistry question.

    • Loonie says:

      Kassian was on waivers prior to his being added.

      Ottawa gave up a draft pick for him.

      Stupid.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Didn’t Montreal invoke a moratorium on players whose names begin with K?

    • krob1000 says:

      Re the chemistry…this is waht irks me…we did mess witht he chemistry…with Halpern and Drewiskie. Neither of whom I see as an upgrade..so if you are messing with chemistry it should be worth it. I see Halperns value in some situations and Drewiskie’s as well…but the guys they are replacing have strengths too…I just don;t see either as being an every night upgrade. I thought they were going to be the guys in the pressbox waiting for the opportunity.

      • LizardKing12 says:

        I’m not sure how you don’t see Halpern as a positive addition to this team. He filled the need for a center who is strong in the faceoff circle and can kill penalties. After he joined the team our PK went from one of the worst to not surrendering a goal for I don’t know how many games in a row. He was without a doubt an upgrade.

        As for Drewiske there is no way that he “messed with the chemistry”. Unfortunate circumstances forced this guy to take on a much larger role than was ever intended for him. He was supposed to be a #6/7 guy and now he’s sometimes being forced to play close to 20 minutes a night.

        I don’t think that the team slumping in the last 3 games can in any way be attributed to Halpern and Drewiske screwing with team chemistry.

        • krob1000 says:

          I don’t see what Dumont, White and even Blunden were doing as any worse than Halpern. Sure Halper is better on the draws but that stat is severely overrated as thereare other factors involved in your winning percentage and even then the diff between a good one and average is minimal. The Pk is not attributed to one guy, most important is the goalie, then the D men and then the forwards IMO.
          I think Drewiskie and HAplern are boith good guys but not an imporvement by any stretch..we’ll have to agree to disagree on that one. Hoepfully tehy prove me worng but the team is no more physical with either and is not upgraded offensively. Only diff I see is minor faceoff improvement…about 2 faceoffs per game.

    • adamkennelly says:

      agree 100% – he was available for free at first and then for a 6th round pic…either would have been fine with me.

  40. deuce6 says:

    Who else likes what we seen from PK last night? I know some of you feel he made himself look like an idiot, but to me, he showed that he is frustrated and cares..Moen, on the other hand, is something else, ain’t he? Why is he on this team, again? Is it great skill? nope…Is it his robust/tough/take no prisoner/sticking up for his teammates style of play? Supposed to be, but nothing of the sort..

    Too many passengers and not enough caring on this team..Hats off to PK for actually caring…

    ——————
    Brandon Prust doesn’t have hair on his testicles, because hair does not grow on steel….

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Morrow was on the bench laughing last night. At least someone fought him. Dumont drilled him and Prust challenged him after he hit Price. Of course Morrow skated away from Prust like a b@#$ch. People are criticizing PK for how he fought but nobody is criticizing Morrow for trying to punch PK in the head from behind while he was down…a punk move.

      Of course Morrow is a “good ol’ Canadian boy” while PK is …well you know. Give me a break. At least real character players like Chris Nilan are defending PK. I rather listen to him than to any of the bigots out there.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

      • Mattyleg says:

        Hold on, saying that PK getting into a pointless fight to vent his own frustrations during a lost-cause game makes someone a bigot?

        —Hope Springs Eternal—

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          Of course not. I was referring to those who, not just last night, criticize PK’s mannerisms. People are criticizing how PK fought (headlock, smiling, etc.) but saying nothing about Morrow. I feel that there is a double standard to the criticism PK gets. Some of that criticism, not all (sorry if I inferred that) is because he is different.

          Anyway, I have no issue with what he did last night. Better that than watching Gorges sitting on the bench shaking his head. I am tired of watching other teams laugh at the Habs while nobody, except Prust and White, does something.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Mattyleg says:

          Read my post below about ‘doing something’.

          Fighting with the opposition in a 5-1 game makes you more of a figure of mockery than just taking it on the chin.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

          • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

            It was 6-3 when he fought. Anyway, I respect your opinion but disagree with it. Hockey is a physical sport and sometimes you have to stand up for yourself. When the game is out of hand and an opposition player is running your teammates and laughing at them, somebody has to stand up to him. Chris Nilan agrees with me and I bet MT and MB do as well. That is why they went out and got Prust in the first place. BTW I don’t think a team that was laughing on the bench would have said afterwards what you wrote.

            “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Steeltown Hab says:

      Subban is the best thing to happen to MTL long time. Gallagher, Galchenyuk stepped in and have made big impacts but nothing like the way Subban did.

      But Subban, Price, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Eller, and what we know Pacioretty is capable of there’s a lot to like with this team going forward.

      ———————————

      Lars, PK, Galchenyuk, Pac, Emelin – @J_Perez22

    • Mattyleg says:

      I disagree.

      I don’t think that getting into a petulant fight at the end of a game indicates that you care more than other players. It indicates that you let the other team get under your skin, and that makes you appear weaker than the others. There are also people who think that Gionta not ‘calling out’ his team-mates and not having Ryan Miller-style tantrums in front of the media means that he doesn’t care. It’s just silly, right?

      If he’d played hard to the end of the game, the Penguins would’ve said “well, fair play to him, he never stopped working.” Instead, they’re saying “haha! Did you see his little hissy fit?”

      I’d rather go with the first option than the latter. If someone had done that against us (see Phaneuf, Dion) we’d be mocking him for an impotent gesture in a lost cause. I’d rather we didn’t come across that way to the opposition.

      Oh, and I find your fixation with Prust’s nether regions a little bit disturbing.

      —Hope Springs Eternal—

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Matty, I love PK but think you’re bang on the button here. Plus, I’d give a big allowance to PK. He lost the plot not just because of last night but because of 3 big losses in which the D looked terrible. He shouldn’t have lost it, but did and I can understand. He himself will wish he hadn’t and will endeavour to fix that. Still young.

        • Mattyleg says:

          I love PK, his mannerisms, his passion, his attitude, the whole bit.

          Did I like what he did, as deuce asked?

          No. I’d prefer it if he hadn’t.

          But I understand it.

          —Hope Springs Eternal—

  41. krob1000 says:

    @ Maritime Ron
    Bergevin quotes form after deadline
    “[The trading period] started two months ago,” Bergevin said. “It’s not a period that is about having two days to make a trade. http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2013/04/senators-were-winners-among-canadian-teams-on-deadline-day.html

    “We added a few pieces over the last couple of months. We were always looking. Today, we looked. There was a lot of conversation, but at the end of the day, we’re proud of what we have. Our goal is to make the playoffs, and we’re in a great position to do that.”

    From the gazette

    “But at the end of the day we’re proud of where we are,”

    “If at some point down the road I feel that I have to move … a high pick to get something that I feel is going to help the club at the time, I’ll do that.

    “But in this case I felt that what was (asked) in return was too much and I want to make sure we kept those picks.”

    “If at some point down the road I feel that I have to move … a high pick to get something that I feel is going to help the club at the time, I’ll do that.

    “But in this case I felt that what was (asked) in return was too much and I want to make sure we kept those picks.”
    Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Bergevin+talked+trade+naught/8191825/story.html#ixzz2QpngzEzt

    Put those quotes together…they are from the same interview….and you get the picture..and likely so did the team….
    -When the time is right he’ll make deals(obvioulsy not now)
    -The cost was too high (apparently not for every other contending team)
    -once the playoffs start anything can happen? so if that is the case why isn;t this time good enough?

    It is pretty clear to me from that article his position was this team is not worth upgrading….that is a pretty substantial opinion and one that would carry some clout ..at least with me. I can’t speak for the others but after reading that I was pretty upset. I try to remember Diaz and Bourque…but after watching Emelin and Armstrong (two of the character guys go down) and seeing Drewiskie and Halpern take jobs in situations I see no real upgrade it is hard to remain as positive as I was before ( re this season..I am very optimistic moving forward)

    I agree with his general sentiment…if it were said after the season…but it should not have been said or viewed that way at that time and I am afraid his view may have leaked down the organziation based on waht we are seeing of late.

    • Loonie says:

      In my opinion the message is more important than the action or lack of it.

      He told those who pay attention to the Habs that the playoffs are the team’s goal.

      If the team falls in the first round you can attribute part of it to his words. He said that the playoffs were good enough this season.

      If that’s his goal from the top right now, how can the players be expected to produce more?

      • JarryPark says:

        Because they are professionals and they want win. How can you even think that guys who work so hard all year long decide all of a sudden…we’re in, let’s quit while we are ahead…seriously?

        • Loonie says:

          Because hockey is their career. They don’t all play for the love of the game.

          If your boss tells you that “x” is good enough you may strive to exceed that standard. But not everyone else will.

          • JarryPark says:

            I dont believe that for a second. I wouldn’t compare an everyday job to playing professional sports. You have to remember how they got there. All the learning, hard work, sacrifices, longs days at a very young age to achieve the ultimate goal of paying in the NHL.

            That just doesn’t get turned off when you get there…It’s a drive that we the masses will never fully understand.

            I get at times they may be fatigued but the drive doesn’t vanish.

            Not to mention the pride.

          • Loonie says:

            Doctors, Lawyers, Paramedics, Nurses, Secretaries. They all have to get up early and put in a lot of work.

            Not all of them love their jobs.

            And if it helps I know a few professionals and former professionals who don’t “love” what they do.

        • krob1000 says:

          I don’t think it is a conscious effort to not try..that is ridiculous and I cannot see any pro athlete doing that. But I do think it is a blow to the confidence and esteem… and they are very important in the playoffs. I can see where the urgency would disappear and the mental game would be tougher. You would then see pucks fumbled, poor decision making, more watching than normal, or trying too hard, panic in pressure situations,etc…sound familiar. Those are common traits associated with a hockey players loss of confidence….or so the hockey talking heads have told me over the years so I am just basing everything on what they say.
          We all know we are a bunch of fans and not anything more…but we watch these guys a lot and hear a lot of diff’t opinions from players, coaches, analysts, reporters,etc…we can see some of what goes on.
          We will never get into the head sof these guys but based on what I am seeing there are definitely signs of shaken confidence…and from there you try to find out why? how? I have my opinion and it could be totally wrong….I hope so.

    • Chris says:

      There was almost no players out there that I would have added.

      Jarome Iginla gave a list of four teams, and the Habs weren’t on it.

      Jay Bouwmeester had a NTC.

      Jason Pominville had a limited no-movement clause (up to 8 teams he wouldn’t accept a trade to), while Robyn Regehr had a full no-movement clause.

      The Habs needed help on the blue-line, but the pickings were slim. We have no idea if Bergevin kicked the tires on Bouwmeester, Regehr or others. All we know is that those trades did not happen.

      Montreal is not a city that a lot of players are dying to play for. They all love to visit. But they love to visit as the road team.

      • Loonie says:

        Dmitry Kulikov

      • krob1000 says:

        He indicates he did kick tires on players….and we don;t know who or who wouldn’t go to Montreal. I am not sure why anyone on a poor team would not have wanted to go to Montreal right now though. Last year sure I get it…but at the deadline I can’t see anyone who is not at the end of their window (like Iginla or Morrow) turning down Montreal.

        • Chris says:

          I just don’t think Montreal was perceived as a true contender.

          The whispers I kept hearing were “Wait until they suffer the same injuries that everybody else got early, and then we’ll talk.”

          We’ve got some injuries and self-imposed banishments (Kaberle) and suddenly the team’s depth is non-existent.

          Pittsburgh was always the class of the East. Boston is still a better team than Montreal, but they’ve been playing poorly all season.

          In a 7 game series, I still pick Boston over Montreal (sadly) because I just think the Bruins have better depth, better defence and equal goaltending. Montreal of course could win that series, but 7 times out of 10, Boston is taking it.

          In a 7 game series, I think Pittsburgh beats Montreal 9 times out of 10. Montreal would need heroic goaltending and defensive commitment to survive that offence.

          In a 7 game series, I think Toronto beats Montreal 6 times out of 10. I think they match up better against the Habs than the Habs match up against them.

          I suspect others see it differently, but I just don’t see a Stanley Cup contender, even with the success this season. Too many gaps and still lacking a player who can put the team on their back. I thought Pacioretty might evolve into that guy this year, but he’s regressed, mostly due to injury.

          • krob1000 says:

            Unfortunately that is about I see it too….now….before the deadline I would not have said that. If the Canadiens have JayBo and Regehr or even OByrne. They had added also someone like even Jokinen up front or Jagr I think it goes more like Pitts wins 7 out of 10, Montreal over B’s 7 out of 10 and Montreal over TO 8 out of 10.

            Before the deadline…I ouwld have stil said PItts 7 out of 10, Montreal/Bos split, and Montreal over Toronto 6 out of 10. I think pItts got way better, Bos got better and Montreal has suffered due to lack of moves and injury, TO got better but as mentioned Montreal is not as strong with no Emelin and no real replacment.

          • Chris says:

            The Jussi Jokinen thing was the only move I don’t get. I would have LOVED to see the Habs grab him. I still don’t understand how he cleared waivers.

            Put Jokinen on the team and you’ve got a depth forward that makes Moen a depth forward.

  42. habs001 says:

    The Habs are not as good as their overall record but not as bad as
    their recent play…The Habs record vs teams that are in a playoff position in the Eastern Conference is 11-8-3…and 2 or3 of those wins were in o/t or s/o…. Their record vs the West conference teams would not be better..The reality is the Habs have improved from last year but are still pieces away from being a real cup contender where series matchups are not that important because of the teams pure talent…

  43. Small_Town_Boy says:

    Our Montreal Canadiens will WIN ALL of their remaining games to close out the reg season. You heard it here first!

    But first things first, They have to get ride of that googley eyed SOB Youppi. He Jynxed the Expos & now the Habs.

  44. savethepuck says:

    I am definitely a glass half full guy, and I never get upset over any regular season loss because anything can happen on any given night in the NHL ( I’ve been known to freak out over a playoff loss though ). I do however get upset about 3 losses in a row and the way those losses occurred. It is possible that it is simply due to us having poor goaltending putting us in a hole early in a few of those games and the team not being able to battle through it. If that’s the case, I’m not in the least worried about this team. Maybe Carey’s fighting the puck a little, but all he needs is to get through a period that he doesn’t have a puck bounce off someone into his net, or a screen he has no chance on, to gain his confidence and focus. Hopefully les Boys right this ship starting tonight.
    The team definitely has to play a lot better in their own end though, the defensive breakdowns lately have been brutal.

    “They don’t hang Conference Championship Banners from the rafters here”
    Carey Price

  45. Le Jadester says:

    Speaking of home ice advantage in the playoffs………is it not fair to say that besides playing game 7 at home, if the series goes that far ?………wouldn’t the advantage go to the team starting the series on the road and winning one of the two games heading back home ?

    Habs, OLE !

  46. H.Upmann says:

    Woke up and made sure I didn`t crap the bed again. All good. There`s only one reason I can think of as to all this suckitude: the boys are afraid of getting hurt before the playoffs. So, they`ve mailed it in kinda, and will be saving themselves for May. I know, sounds disgraceful. But hey, why not take it easy, get trashed a few nights before imposed curfews, and then play the best you can? Right?

  47. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    The Habs biggest problem on D this season is that they have only 1 true top 2 D-man that can play 25/min/game. The only guy available at the deadline was JayBo and I guess MB wasn’t interested at that trade and contract price. MB probably thinks the team is still two years away. The way they have reacted after the Emelin injury indicates he is probably right.

    The only space left on the D when Diaz would come back was Boullion’s. When Boullion signed the extension, he became the permanent 6th D-man. There was only room for a 7th D-man which MB traded for. He had no idea Emelin was going to get hurt. I can’t blame him for what he did at the deadline.

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • H.Upmann says:

      and with Subban possibly signing that megabucks extension this summer, we`ll be luck if we can land a no.2 big D to help him. At least we have a Subban. Can you imagine this team without him? Aye aye aye

      • krob1000 says:

        his cap hit won’t come into play until the folowing season though when Markov and Gionta both come off the books so even if Subban signs for 7.5 million it is only a net increase of 5 million (Gio is 5 and Marky is 5.75)

    • bwoar says:

      Diaz is a righty (which we seem short on) and as of his return I have him pencilled in with Markov:

      Gorges-Subban
      Markov-Diaz
      Boullion-Drewiskie/Weber

      “thoroughbred”

  48. B says:

    The Bruins did not have a single American playing for them in last night’s game.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • Blade says:

      And this matters because…..?

      • Le Jadester says:

        Putting the Marathon incident aside……………..For example, is it OK for RBC to hire all foreigners (i.e Indians) and not have any Canadians working at a bank located in Canada ?

        Doesn’t really bother me either way…but I thougt it was an interesting parallel. Why wouldn’t the Corporation of the Boston Bruins not employ at least one of its citizens, when it mostly relies on its citizens for revenue ?

        Kind of interesting for discusion IMO

        Habs, OLE !

      • B says:

        Does anything posted here really matter? Philosophical questions aside, I just found it an interesting tidbit I noticed this morning, more so to me for a team who’s fans like to chant “USA! USA!” at their games. I certainly don’t expect everyone else to find my observations interesting, but sometimes someone else does so I post them here from time to time. Sorry if you construed it as offensive or anything like that, it really was just meant to be an innocuous observation.

        –Go Habs Go!–

        • kalevine says:

          I thought it was interesting, that’s why I responded. But it didn’t surprise me because Tim Thomas was one of only two Americans on the cup winning team, and he refused to go to the White House

  49. aHabGrowsInBrooklyn says:

    Quick review tells us that the following teams from the league’s top 10 all had at least one 3+ game losing streak this season: Anaheim, Boston, Los Angeles, Minnesota, Montreal, San Jose, Toronto, Vancouver.

    That’s 8 of the top 10 teams in the league. The only two who have only 2-game “streaks”: Chicago and Pittsburgh.

    All of which to say… Go Habs!

  50. aemarchand11 says:

    Habs will win against TB, NJ, WPG and TOR to finish out the year. Initially i had a season ending loss to TOR but gut feeling says otherwise, although that may be gas.

  51. ed says:

    we can sugar coat it all we want.

    but each of the 3 games started the same way – one or two goals in the first 1/2 of the 1st period that absolutely needed to be stopped.

    When a team gets bad goaltending in the 1st 10 minutes of the game, and finds itself DOWN 2-0 or 3-0, there is very little chance, almost none, that the team can rebound and mount a serious comeback.

    Add to the miserable goaltending in the 1st 10 minutes, the fact that the team has already made the playoffs, and there you have it. Game Over!!

    Price is not only a world class goalie, he is a great athlete who WANTS TO WIN.

    Tonight it will be up to Price to make those 2 or 3 KEY SAVES in the 1st 10 minutes; and if he does, this team will rally, and begin playing well again.

    Hockey starts from the net out.

    You need goaltending, then defence, then scoring.

    • Bill says:

      According to many of the posters here, Ed, Price is a wash-out, a sieve, a below-average athlete who was handed everything on a silver platter.

      Everything you posted sounds exactly right, but I doubt it will be comprehensible to the ignorati around here.

      BTW, saw some recent draft rankings, and the Habs are looking good to be in a position to get Duclair, are you still liking that pick?

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • ed says:

        Duclair would be a great addition. I think the Habs have a very good tie in with Roy in Quebec now that they’ve re-built their head office, and if they pass on Duclair with 1 of their 2nd round picks I will be very disappointed.

    • CHasman says:

      You definitely nailed it. We can’t give up an early goal or two and in all three of our recent games the early goal was very stoppable. Last year it was too easy for other teams to score on us. No work required. And during this slump it is again ‘too easy’ to score on us.

  52. krob1000 says:

    Anyone know how many draft picks it would take to get Marty, Doc and a DeLorean?

  53. Kfourn says:

    Gallagher’s commitment to the team over this season rolled up into one play: Gallagher blocks a shot with the inside of his leg, clearly unable to put any weight on the leg, scrambles up and hops on one leg toward the play.

    If THAT doesn’t get the veterans on this team, or the so called “core” to wake up, then they don’t deserve the CH.

    I understand that the Canadiens have done well for most of the season, but this is where their true colours need to shine through. To overcome adversity and frustration when the going is tough and not when everything was running smoothly.

    The players on this team need to stop looking for the group as a whole to blame and start looking in the mirror at their own individual play. Too many players taking a back seat, when they need to show some intensity and courage, and they have to look no further than what Gallagher is doing for this team to draw their inspiration from.

    _______________________________________________________
    Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

    “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • Bill says:

      Most guys simply cannot do what Gallagher does. That’s what makes him special. He can’t “wake up” the others to match his level of effort, because 95% of NHL players are not capable of matching his level of effort. Again, if they were, Gallagher would not be in the NHL.

      It would be pretty awesome if every player on the team played with as much drive as Brendan Gallagher. They can’t though. It’s not a criticism, they are just normal human beings, whereas Gallagher is a Honey Badger.

      He reminds me of a smaller, less-skilled Kirk Muller. That’s a big compliment coming from me.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • Kfourn says:

        Effort can be made by any athlete at any given time. I’m not talking about being a Gallagher clone, but rather giving a second and third effort to recuperate the puck, backchecking hard, not playing at the end of your stick and moving your feet to cover your man. This is the type of effort that seperates winners from losers.

        _______________________________________________________
        Well, he’s kind of had it in for me ever since I accidentally ran over his dog. Actually, replace “accidentally” with “repeatedly” and replace “dog” with “son.”

        “It’s sad when our rookies have no NHL experience before they jump up to the NHL.” – nunacanadien

    • Chris says:

      Andrei Markov had his knee obliterated, missed a season. He worked his butt off to come back (probably too early, but he wanted to help his team) and obliterated that knee again.

      Then he worked his tail off some more to get back, all the while having his heart questioned by the fans. People were accusing him of doing nothing for his huge contract, ignoring the fact that the reason he wasn’t there was that he had suffered some nasty injuries (two knee injuries, brutal cut on his foot). Not every 34 year old does that. And not only does he come back, he comes back playing above average hockey, at least offensively. Markov’s 9 goals and 27 points in 43 games would put him on pace for 17 goals and 51 points. That would be the highest goal total of his career and the second highest point total of his career.

      He’s playing on a knee that has clearly bothered him at times, yet’s he’s playing 24:17 per night, the fourth highest ice-time of his career (behind 24:58 in 2007-08, 24:37 in 2008-09, and 24:28 in 2006-07).

      He’s gamely trying to play, but he’s clearly lost a lot of speed and manoeuvrability. Yet Therrien keeps throwing him out there for huge minutes against the other team’s best players. Last night, Price’s “miracle save” according to the TSN guys was actually a shot that Markov took in the chest, saving a sure goal.

      I’m not knocking what Gallagher did last night. I’m just pointing out that some of these veterans are actually playing their hearts out, but sometimes that just isn’t enough. Time catches up to players, and the Canadiens fire-drill defensive system is starting to get figured out by opponents (much the same way that teams figured out Boucher’s system in Tampa Bay after some early success).

  54. Bill says:

    I am finding it hard to match the level of dismay, disgust, and despair that seems to be required to post here the last week, haha. I don’t want to come off as some kind of hopeless optimist, but I’m still not terribly worried about the Habs, and my view of them hasn’t changed much in the last week.

    They have some injuries, no doubt many guys playing in a lot of pain right now, and it is pretty understandable if their foot is off the pedal a bit right now, given that they were the 3rd worst team in the NHL last year and clinched a playoff spot last week.

    They have some guys who are struggling, yeah, sure. They know it too. The whole team is in a funk and a slump. Seen it a thousand times. It’s meaningless. It happens to every team every year. This is the first time they have lost three in a row all season … that’s incredible.

    The Habs haven’t lost the scoring depth or the drive that makes them so dangerous. Losing Emelin is a blow, but it’s not as crippling as some seem to believe.

    If the Habs had quit on in the Flyers game or the Penguins game, well, then we’d have something to worry about. But they didn’t. They went down swinging, literally and figuratively. I think this is a pretty close-knit group who are proud of their record this year and who still believe they are capable of beating anyone.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      The only good thing about a losing stretch and injuries is that it exposes the “real” players from the phonies. It is easy for guys to talk and look good when the team is winning but adversity is the only true test of character. We’ll see now who shows up and who doesn’t…BTW Dumont did last night. Hope he stays.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • I’m generally a happy guy, I’ve seen so many horrible things in my life I refuse to be upset over a game.

      I love the Canadiens, I love the City, and I love hockey. But it will always come second to life in general.

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      • halifaxhab says:

        Amen. PRO PATRIA

        I love Barry Manilow .

        -Scotty Bowman

      • Bripro says:

        So true Shane.
        And we were reminded of it in Boston this week.
        I sent an email to the Boston Globe basically telling them that when life gets in the way, we have to set aside petty differences, whether they be in sports or otherwise.
        Boone is right in his intro on the previous link.
        Boston did it right with their tribute.

    • krob1000 says:

      You are right it is not as bad as it seems but when you see the top team play without two mvp’s and a 4 o goalscorer adn steamroll us because they “sacfrificed their future” it is pretty frustrating. Their deadline pickups had 4 of their 6 goals and intimidated our best players.

      Before the deadline I would have thought Pitts was the slight favourite and then Mon/Boston were 50/50. Now Pitts is an overwhelming favourite and it would be aminor miracle for the Canadiens to beat them in a 7 game series. The Bruins added Jagr and Redden. The Sens got a sparkplug who is eerily similar to Gallagher in COnacher for one of their three goalies and are stronger. The LEafs added O’Byrne who would have been a good fit for a 4throunder. The Rangers if they make it will be a legit threat now when I would not have been concerned. Washington got better. The players are not stupid…they are well aware their psotionin the pecking order dropped. They are not dead in the water by any means but they are in a far worse position than they were a very short while ago.

      • bwoar says:

        Gimme Ryder and Diaz and we’ll beat the Pens in 7. No problem.

        “thoroughbred”

        • krob1000 says:

          love the optimism and I hope so but you need Ryder, Diaz and every dman and forward blocking everything and everything else you need Price in his very best form to stop. Anything acn happen in the playoffs but you can see team morale is low right now and I am suggesting that mine has been too from a fan perspective at the ack of deadline acquisitions and it isn;t me sacrificing my teeth …so I can only imagine how the players felt. I don’t want to count this team out..I just thinkt he fact the imporvements could have been made without affecting anything other than paper fantasy draft picks is very frustrating.

          • bwoar says:

            One thing, I this that the idea of paper fantasy draft picks doesn’t hold water when you see the guys we get in the late rounds; nor do I think other teams are always ready to accept them rather than a roster player or high-performing prospect. Just an aside.

            Don’t count these Habs out at all. The team’s in a slump, the goalies haven’t helped, and we’ve been spoiled all year without much adversity. There’s every reason to believe that Price & Co. regain their mojo and make for some interesting Spring hockey.

            “thoroughbred”

          • krob1000 says:

            re below….if we can do that in the late rounds then why not trade a couple of seconds?
            I am not counting anyone out…I am just saying that if you were to re rank the teams post deadline…Montreal would not be a contender. They would instead be fighting for a playoff position I would guess ( I can’t use NHl.com from work so I can’t check but that would be my guess)
            I went from very confident to now believeing we are the underrdog in most matchups. Either way the team is in the mix and I get that and am happy about that part…just would have liked the team to have been strengthened.

    • DD says:

      I think you can sum up the people who contribute to HIO with a famous quote by Willaim A. Ward;
      “The pessimist complains about the wind;
      The optimist expects it to change;
      The realist adjusts the sails.”

    • punkster says:

      It’s a slump.

      I’m a unicorn with rose coloured glasses and I’m quite happy that way.

      ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

    • Cal says:

      Dismay= WTF was that?
      Disgust= They are playing like poo!
      Despair= They’ll be wiped out of the playoffs in 4 games. Aaaargh!

      The 3 Ds of HIO.

  55. Loonie says:

    So now that the team has gone on a losing streak it appears “The Future” has made its way back onto the HIO board in the context that it can’t be sacrificed for present day improvement to the team.

    “The Future” drives me crazy. It’s the Holy Grail, the Unicorn and life on Mars all rolled into one. Nobody can say what it is, when it will present itself, how optimistic we should be about it or what it will bring. But what we do know is that “It” should never be sacrificed.

    So what is “The Future”? Is it Nathan Beaulieu, Jared Tinordi, Greg Pateryn(not on your life), Danny Kristo, Louis Leblanc, Charles Hudon, Tim Bozon, Sebastian Collberg, Magnus Nygren, Daniel Pribyl, Darren Dietz, Dalton Thrower, Mac Bennett, Dustin Walsh and our finite number of draft picks over the next five years? Or is it just one of those things or a small combination of them?

    Furthermore, does it include part of what we currently have on our team? And if so, what components of our team now are part of “The Future”?

    Certainly cap space is part of “The Future”.

    More than anything else, it seems to me that “The Future” is an excuse to not make improvements to the team. Not some quantifiable measure of what each component of it will be when “The Present” reveals itself.

    The Blues gave up a first round pick and two components of their “Future” for a damn good defenseman. I’m not saying Bergevin could have made a similar deal. But if he could have he failed.

    Something tells me that the Blues didn’t sacrifice their future in that trade.

    • BJ says:

      I’ve watched over 25-30 Hamilton games this year. And there is no real impact immediate “future” over there. We will have to go the free agent or trade route to improve this team. We do have a few “Futures” but its not next year either. The “Future” will have to be given sometime to grow into men. I think Tinordi may be the closest but he has to “beef up” and so does Beaulieu.

      • Loonie says:

        Untouchables that are considered “the future”

        Price, Subban, Pacioretty, Galchenyuk, Gallagher, Tinordi and Beaulieu.

        Everything else should be available.

        • Say Ash says:

          Poor Eller.

        • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

          I don’t think it is a question to MB of who is available but whether the price is worth it. MB clearly thought the prices were too high and gambled that no major injuries would occur on D. He lost.

          “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          Why not Eller?

          Re. Pacioretty — is there any chance that his lack of physicality is a potentially permanent outcome of the Chara hit? Or does he remain untouchable until such a possibility is either proved or refuted?

          • Phil C says:

            The Letang suspension seemed to mess with his head as well.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            I actually don’t like even committing to a post the thought that his head is messed with. I also believe that there is a residue from the hit in Chara’s head as well…

        • Loonie says:

          For those of you asking “Why not Eller?”.

          Because of Desharnais, that’s why not Eller.

          • bwoar says:

            Why not Zoidberg?

            “thoroughbred”

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            Cuz DD has a lock on centre? There must be scenarios in which that changes, no?

          • Loonie says:

            Mike have you been given any indication whatsoever that this team has anything other than Desharnais in its plans at a prominent centre-ice position moving forward?

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            No, none at all, Loonie. And it has been worrying and puzzling (especially if, like me, you just can’t credit the language theory — maybe I’ve been out of Quebec too long…).
            But I would have thought that next season, or the season after, if whatever priority keeps DD at centre starts to appear to mgmt as a clear impediment to success, Eller replaces DD (who is moved to wing or traded).

        • ont fan says:

          I’m not even sold on Pacioretty. Sometimes great trades come up. Teams need to shake it up like Edmonton. If Max is part of the package , so be it.

          • Loonie says:

            I find that Pacioretty ends up with a scoring chance just about every time he’s on the ice with Plekanec.

    • Timo says:

      The only thing that doesn’t seem to be the part of The Future, or the present, is winning the Stanley Cup. Otherwise it’s good.

    • Bill says:

      Hilarious. I was about to post the same thing, “The Future” in quotation marks and everything. I couldn’t agree more.

      The future never comes. It never arrives. The future exists forever. Whatever present moment we inhabit always has an imaginary and hypothetical future attached.

      At some point the Habs are going to have to trade some “future” possibilities for “present” help if they want to win it all. Some people think it’s better to lose now than to risk losing in two years … even if the supposition that they will be losing in two years because of trading a lousy draft pick could be seen as rational, which it isn’t.

      Full Breezer 4 Life

      • bwoar says:

        It could be that the GM has a plan, though, no? A vision that includes ‘going for it’ when THEY perceive the best opportunity, rather than just because we’re in, and overachieving this year?

        I doubt management would disagree with you at all on The Future, but they may have a different plan for today and tomorrow than the one you’d like. I don’t think that NOT going for it now automatically precludes the idea that there’s a plan to improve the team next year to the point where ‘going for it’ next April makes more sense, for instance.

        I get that we’ve been served some seriously bad hockey for most of the last 20 years, but I want 20 more of good hockey, 20 more chances to win the Cup – not 3, or 5, or even 10. I think that’s the past of the future that’s been glossed over here.

        Insofar as the present, we aren’t a “lose now” team either. We aren’t sucking for another lottery pick. It is not a zero-sum exercise where you can equate not going for it with purposely losing for future returns. There’s a judgement call, and we may all have subtly different things that come into that decision of when ‘the future is Now.’

        “thoroughbred”

        • Loonie says:

          A good GM can deviate from their plan to make significant improvements. It was determined about three months before free agency that Chara would hit the open market. Same for other high profile free agents.

          Marian Gaborik didn’t become trade bait over night but it wasn’t something that was in the works for years.

          You have to adapt. The long term plan only works if you’re willing to see that it can be improved upon.

          • bwoar says:

            …by changing your long term plan into a short term one?

            I think the results of this year WILL make MB deviate. It’s certainly moved up the timetable for our window, seemingly, except for:

            -Andrei Markov being too busted to be a 25 min/game player
            -Gorges suddenly playing to his ability rather than his salary
            -no one who can win a faceoff but 4 centres we aren’t moving (yet)
            -a smallish D who aren’t getting bigger for another couple years

            Here’s a deviation: Jeff Halpern. Here’s another: Ryder for Cole (AND a 3rd.) Don’t forget that Bergevin made moves to improve the team before the deadline.

            “thoroughbred”

          • Loonie says:

            Those were his first moves.

            Halpern was a reactive move.
            Ryder was proactive for cap reasons.

            The idea that a trade for any impact player robs you of your future is foolish.

            Again, look at the St. Louis Blues, think they’re going to be hard up for talent in the future because they gave up a 1st and two guys nobody had ever heard of?

        • Bill says:

          The thing i, it’s hard to plan for being awesome at some point in The Future. Reality gets in the way. Bergevin could have a plan for being awesome in two years, but for a variety of reasons it might not happen.

          When you have a team that gets on a roll and looks poised to make a run … that’s when opportunity is available. That’s when you strike.

          If in two years, despite all the planning, some prospects haven’t worked out, some veterans have been injured or retired, the Habs could be in zero position to do anything.

          You can’t plan for success in pro sports. You can try. But reality will baffle you.

          Full Breezer 4 Life

          • Loonie says:

            The Flyers are a pretty damn good example of that.

          • bwoar says:

            I think the team underachieved last year, and overachieved in 40+ games this year. It’s only my opinion, but I expected Bergevin to see the same thing and be patient. I don’t think we’re an Iginla or Morrow or Murray (or all three together) away from the Cup. Still major work to do on defense in particular.

            You only get one shot at going for it all in (see Nashville.) Why do it haphazardly? Essentially you are arguing that Fate dictates how to manage a hockey team.

            “thoroughbred”

    • Cal says:

      The Future is a great CD by Leonard Cohen.
      Other than that, hockey’s future is all puffery and daydreams.
      I was hoping for a commitment to win it all this season, but management is taking the long view.

      For those who actually think the Habs will only contend when Beaulieu and Tinordi are in lineup with rookies like Kristo, etc., take off the rose-coloured glasses. It takes a great balance of veterans and youth to win, not just kids barely old enough to shave. They will be playing men, not boys, for the Cup.

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      It might be Future Fatigue for you, Loonie, and others who have been watching as closely and for as long as you have.

      But whatever this nebulous future is, it really feels a lot closer now than it has for a decade or more.

      One of the most exciting pieces is surely Galchenyuk: how far back do you reckon we have to go to find a comparable goal-scorer (acknowledging that we’re still talking about potential)?

      • Loonie says:

        We went through the same exact thing with Plekanec, The Kostitsyns, Tanguay, Ribeiro, Markov, Streit, Souray and Price.

        The more things change the more they stay the same.

        • Dunboyne Mike says:

          This is why I suggested fatigue.
          Even if each of the names you list were once reckoned Montreal’s great white hope, did they not arrive in an era when the various coach/gm combinations were considerably poorer than what we find ourselves with now? I mean, those are the guys who convert the future into the present.
          I want to put you into cyber-sleep with a post-it on the canopy that says “Wake when we’re in the quarter-finals”!
          2014 or 2015.
          Or sooner, who knows? Stranger things have happened!

          • Loonie says:

            Saying that our current management group is better than previous groups is a huge assumption.

            They’ve been on the job for less than a year.

          • Dunboyne Mike says:

            True, except more of a hope than an assumption. And I thought the signs were good, the suggestion that the stars were aligning well for a change.

            Also, saying that current management is better isn’t saying all that much! It wouldn’t be hard.

            If I can’t believe that Bergevin is a serious upgrade on what’s gone before, maybe it’ll be myself I need to put into cyber-sleep.

          • Loonie says:

            I’m hoping too Mike. I’m just seeing more of the same so far.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      I think it depends what the market is, in my mind. I don’t think MB was averse to trading away some picks…but do we really want to give up two second-rounders for Douglas Murray? I think not. Especially with the deep draft this year and Trevor Timmins picking them.

      And with all due respect to JBo….7 million is a lot to pay for him next year.

    • Phil C says:

      If you ignore the future and always try to win now, you end up like the Calgary Flames. No thanks.

      That being said, I think they should have parted with one of their 2nd rounders and some 2nd tier prospects for a defenseman who could play top four minutes. The Emelin injury exposed the lack of depth on D.

      • Loonie says:

        Right. You can’t ignore the future but you can’t treat individual parts of it as untouchable assets unless you’re certain that those parts will become key contributors to your future success.

        With that in mind this team has several parts of its future that are expendable.

  56. krob1000 says:

    Question is morale important?
    You are a veteran player who has been blocking shots and pouring yourheart into every game all year,or you are a rookie doing everything you can to help the team and stay in the lineup,etc…..my point it really doesn’t matter who you are. Your team then sits back and does nothing but add guys who are not upgrades and take spots from existing payers (Halpern/Drewiski). The GM then states that it is not part of the plan to try to wint his year and that they are content with the playoffs.
    Here you are Andrei Markov playing on one knee, Gionta, Ryder who was traded here ….you are now playing for at eam that is among the top 5 in the league and has been all year but you are not good enough to warrant help…why? becauase the guys who will play for your team 3-5 years from now are more important?

    Thanks GM….can you trade me in the offseason please? andthat sentiment can be understood if you are any single player in the lineup…..we criticize players who suposedly do not want to win….when is this future? when we lead the league? if that doesn’t happen you don’t get help?

    This line of thinking makes no sense to me at all…none…no matter how many future referencing posts I see ….I look at the roster, the age of some key components, the core pieces that will remain, the system and prospects avaialbe, the cap situation moving forward….through it all I CANNOT SEE ANY REASON WE DID NOT UPGRADE. None….sorry for the caps but I have been trying all along and I understand BOurque and DIaz werre coming back,etc….but the team was realatively healthy, looked good both offensively and defesnviely,etc.
    To me it is no coincidence the team is losing confidence knowing so amny other teams got stronger and their gm doesn’t believe in them (this is how I would perceive it anyway…perhaps they don’t but if I were on a team and this situation occurred)…..and quite frankly that sucks.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      you wrote ” The GM then states that it is not part of the plan to try to wint his year”

      Please provide an exact quote and source where GM Bergevin said that?

  57. Sportfan says:

    Question is can we actually win tonight?

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  58. SteverenO says:

    I find it ironic that many people are onboard with MB for not “sacrificing the future” to bolster the team for a playoff run, because the team is not a true stanley cup contender this year, while at the same time, MT will not give his veterans a day off down the stretch even in back to back games. What is he afraid of? That we may lose a game? Guess what, we have been losing any way, and NOT giving our players a deserved rest.

    Sending down Beaulieu is a mistake- he has played a total of 78.5 minutes at even strength and during that time the team has scored 8 goals and given up but 3. This equates to one goal scored every 10 minutes and one goal against every 26 minutes:

    Lets compare to to the others:

    Markov: 27 Min per GF – 20 min per GA
    Drewiske: 26 Min per Gf – 31 per GA
    Gorges: 25 min oer GF – 27 Per GA
    Emelin: 24 MIn PER GF -26 Per GA
    Diaz: 24 Min per GF- 41 per GA
    Bouillion 21 Min per GF – 24 min per GA
    Tinordi: 21 Min per GF – 63 min per GA
    Subban:19 Min per Gf – 27 per GA
    Kaberle: 14 Min per GF- 28 min per GA
    Beaulieu: 10 Min oer GF- 28 min per GA

    Obviously his offensive rate of production would decrease over time but it seems rather obvious that when Beaulieu has been on the ice the play has been in the other teams end fairly often.

    You can choose to believe that MT is a genius at evaluating talent despite all the evidence to the contrary, his super hockey mind is so much sharper than us mere fans, that only he knows that using Beaulieu, or Tinordi, or Kaberle in the 6th Defenseman position lessens the team’s chances to win…. BUT based on what I have seen MT has not yet shown that he can recognize or evaluate talent any better than my grandma can.

    He chooses, uses, and allots playing time based on players prior reputation, seniority, and/or his own personal favorites. he rarely makes adjustments within a game that help the team and in my opinion this team will never reach its full potential while he is at the helm.

    He is a good motivator, I will give him that, but the level of competition requires that the coach take maximum advantage of all his available resources in order to win at this level.

    Markov SHOULD be a very valuable contributor to the success of this team. The fact is that he has been a drag on the team at even strength. He has been playing “out of gas” far too often and its NOT because noone else can take up some of the slack, its because MT cannot recognize who should be playing when, and how often.

    Markov has a total of what 6 points at even strength all season long? Do you think that just maybe if he played less on the PK he would be stronger at even strength?

    regards,

    Steve O.

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      With all due respect, Beaulieau looked lost out there when his responsibility increased…and he’s not lining up against the other teams top scorers. I don’t think he’s ready to take over serious minutes against top lines.

      • SteverenO says:

        You may well be right, Ghost. The fact is many, actually most, of the payers looked lost the last few games. The fact is that while he looked lost the team was scoring when he was on the ice and not giving up goals. Subban sometines make “bonehead” plays, but the team scores more often and gives up goals less often when he is on the ice. there was NOTHING weber could have done, there was nothing Bobby Orr could have done (in the minutes that Beaulieu played) that would have helped the team win any of the last two games.

        My point is that he needs to play those “serious minutes against top lines” in order to assess how he does and it will help me to be ready for his role playing against the lower lines if called upon in the playoffs.

        The fact this did not happen , and Markov did NOT get a well deserved and well needed rest, is,in my opinion a wasted opportunity. What is the worst thing that could have happened if Beaulieu played top minutes with Subban as his partner for one game before sending him back to the minors?

        regards,

        Steve O.

    • bwoar says:

      Your stats are really not useful in analysing Beaulieu’s play. Mainly because your sample size is tiny, but also because they only serve to obscure the truth that’s being played out on the ice. Get up from your computer and watch a hockey game; you one day might be able to evaluate talent as well as your grandma.

      “thoroughbred”

    • Phil C says:

      I think you are being too harsh on MT. Watching the CH24 series, Daigneault is reviewing the film in every intermission looking for adjustments. This is the first time MT has had some adversity this year, so let’s see how he handles it before judging. There is something to be said for a steady hand on the tiller as well.

      MT deserves some credit for avoiding bad situations for his young players. I think that is why he has Galchenyuk and Beaulieu on a short leash, even though they look ready for more responsibility. MT is erring on the side of caution and managing their minutes.

      My take on the Markov situation is that he is still the best option against the top lines. Now with Emelin injured, the Habs only have one defenseman who can play in all situations. That leaves them with the following on defense:

      1-2 defensemen: Subban
      3-4 defensemen: Markov
      4-5 defensemen: Bouillon, Gorges
      5-6 defensemen: Drewiske, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Weber

      If they reduce Markov’s minutes, someone below him in the depth chart has to take them, so someone else will get exposed and the team is no farther ahead. I am confident that the quality of the competition would have a great effect on your stats.

      If Beaulieu was playing Markov’s minutes, I think your stats would quickly reflect that Beaulieu is not quite ready to play against the best lines in the NHL. Offensively he is there, but not quite defensively.

      Based on how he played last night, I would try Weber with Markov.

  59. habfanacrossthed says:

    Habs have to win 2 of 5 games to keep home ice advanatge. Leafs will need 8 of 10 points to take over 4th place and home ice against Habs. Maybe just maybe the Isles can keep winning and it will set up Habs/Isles.

    GHOD – Go Habs Or Die

  60. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Is there an argument for resting (not intended euphemistically!) certain players and giving much of the remaining ice-time over to youngsters and call-ups, pack in some experience before the playoffs?

    Ok, I meant, is there a VALID argument for so doing!

    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      With the division still up for grabs, I don’t think so. That 2nd seed is looking A LOT better than the 4th, especially (much as I hate to say it) with our play against the Leafs as of late.

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        You’re one step ahead of me in assuming that we would win fewer games by playing the youngsters!

        Can we be sure at the moment?…

        • Ghosts of the Forum says:

          haha — good point! I think the vets need to lead them out of this slump though. I mentioned below, and it surprises me to say, but I think Kaberle should be brought in to play with Markov (unless Diaz is ready).

  61. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    TB, Wash, NJD, Wpg, TO

    TB/NJD — must wins.

    Wash — going to be a tough game, need to be firing on all cylinders

    Jets — could be desperate, could be out of it by then. Tough to say. Would kind of hate to be the team to put a dagger in their playoff hopes, but if it must be, it must be…

    TO — WIN.

    • DDO_Habs_Fan says:

      Should give Markov a break after the Wash game Saturday. Stay home for the NJD and Wpg games and come back for TO in a week. Playoff seeding is irrelevant if one of your key players is exhausted.

      “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

  62. kerrgte says:

    I’m very impressed with the sea change of this year’s team compared to last year’s.

    Cdns mgt has done a good job in improving this year’s team by: (1) complementing veterans with rookies and a few imports. A few Hamilton players have received an education. Mgt has done so with maybe a few too many aging veterans (markov, moen, gionta, being the notables).
    (2) Mgt resisted the urge to trade away the future by adding bandaids at the trade deadline.
    (3) It has been noted that of Canadian teams, the Canadiens have the strongest position in this year’s draft;
    (4) adding MT as coach. He has taken the team to unexpected heights.

    In 2 or 3 years, and I think with the addition of a game-breaker player (Crosby, Ovechkin, Toews, among others), the Canadiens will be an elite team.

    For this year, the Cinderella story appears to be coming to a close – BU I HOPE I’M WRONG !!

    Cheers

    We must remember that Nome wasn’t built in a day.

  63. The Dude says:

    We will beat Tampa and then get swallowed by Ovie .

  64. Habs win tonight!

    Leafs lose to the Isle!

    Sens upset Caps, and make the standings super crazy fun!

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
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    • Ghosts of the Forum says:

      Here’s hoping!

      The only good thing about this past week or so is that the Bruins have faltered as well. This losing streak could’ve had a far, far worse impact on our standings. As it is, we’re tied for the division lead coming off three consecutive whoopings.

      And the Bs game in hand is against the Pens. Perhaps Malkin draws back in — we win, they lose…we’re back up two (while they still have a game in hand).

      Could be a lot, lot worse :)

  65. Maritime Ron says:

    Things could be a hell of a lot worse this AM.
    You could be a Detroit Red Wings fan in 9th place with your 2 best players aging. When the next season starts, Datsyuk will be 35 and Zetterberg will be 33.

    Sure they had a nice 10 year run, but they will never be able to do those draft steals again like Lindstrom (53rd) in 1989 and Datsyuk (171) in 1998 and Zetterberg (210) in 1999. Most all teams have Europe covered well now. Moving forward I’ll take our young core over whatever they have.

    And then there is living in Detroit in 2013 and that makes Montreal and Canada Paradise on earth even with all our warts that are tiny in comparison.

    I’m just going to enjoy the playoffs-let the cards fall where they will, and laugh at all the TSN/Hockey News experts that predicted us to finish in 12th and 13th not unlike everyone else.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I have mentioned this before, too. Detroit is now officially at the crossroads. The last time they missed the playoffs was 1989-90. Before that it was 1985-86. That’s a hell of a long run.

      Their building blocks are gone or aging. They have no top level prospects such as Galchenyuk. The UFA market is sketchy this summer. The question becomes simple – do they try and re-tool on the fly or start a teardown this summer.

      If I’m Ken Holland I’d be talking trade with Kevin Lowe.

    • I not only want our Habs to just win, but I want the Leafs. I want the Habs to beat the Leafs and shut TSN, and CBC up. It’s the number one reason for my hatred towards the Leafs. I never hated the leafs as a child. In fact I loved #27 Darryl Sittler. As an Islander I loved Rick Vaive! I loved the popcorn kid’s mask. I loved the fact that the staff on our farm in PEI were Leaf fans and my dad and I were Habs fans, it made life (80′s) pretty sweet as a child :lol:

      Shane Oliver
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      http://www.Sholi2000.com
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  66. HUDSONHAB says:

    Repeat after me…
    We must score first. We must Score first. We must score first.

    ….Hab4life….

  67. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Breaking the slump against a low-ranked team…who also happens to have an incredibly potent offence. Aie, aie, aie.

    Let’s just hope Bishop doesn’t pull another 50 save spectacular.

    I posted on the earlier blog, but wanted to bring up the idea again. I mean, trust me, I never thought I’d say this either, but…Kaberle?

    I know! But, he has shown that he can be a top 6 dman on a Cup winning team a few seasons ago. The contract is an albatross, but since we’re stuck with it anyway…

    Listen, 4 or 5 seasons ago, Markov and Kaberle would’ve been an unreal top pairing. Can they be a non-self-destructive second pairing in 2013? Maybe?

    • Dr.Rex says:

      Brilliant move to take Ryder off the Pleks line. They were scoring too much that it made sense to cool them off.

      • Ghosts of the Forum says:

        Not sure what that has to do with my comment, haha.

        Scoring hasn’t been the issue…7 goals in two games would’ve been two wins a month ago. It’s pretty much the same offence we’ve seen all season (except it isn’t coming in the first), but the zone clearances look like last year’s team. And the goaltending has been less than stellar.

  68. Dr.Rex says:

    We have seen it time and time again………When a team has an ultimate goal, once reached it is human nature to relax. The goal should always be to win the cup, making the playoffs is a loser goal for team’s like TOranna.

    • Timo says:

      Seems like many fans and the team aligned in their objective for this year. Many here state that Habs achieve what they had to and everything else is just gravy. If that’s the attitude in the dressing room and the management office (which it seems like it is) then here come another 2 decades of mediocrity.

      • Dr.Rex says:

        I hate gravy.

      • Thomas Le Fan says:

        Some people just can’t be realistic or enjoy a vast improvement without getting all negative when midnight comes for Cinderella. Some may call what we’ve done this year continued mediocrity, I intend to enjoy our playoff run, no matter how short, and continue to look forward to what appears to be an end to that mediocrity. Go Habs.

        There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

      • HUDSONHAB says:

        Realistic goals are one thing. (making the playoffs)
        Accepting the way we are playing right now because we have perhaps reached that goal is not acceptable.
        Realizing it and turning it around attitude wise is what has to be done so we can go beyond expectations.

        IT STARTS TONIGHT!!!!

        ….Hab4life….

    • Loonie says:

      EXACTLY.

      The Cup is a lofty goal. I’ve mentioned many times that winning the division should be the primary goal in every season.

      Like football and baseball. If your focus is on winning your division the rest takes care of itself.

  69. The Jackal says:

    Slump-busting win tonight.
    Habs go on a tear to finish the season.

    ______________________
    Hockey sine stercore tauri.

  70. Dr.Rex says:

    Watching Habs closely for the last 20 years I must admit this is one of the worst three game stretches I have ever witnessed. I believe it can be turned around but to say this is not a serious concern would be delusional. This small stretch can be compared to the following stretches of futility over the last 20 years.

    1) 1995-96……….We lost our first five games in all lackluster performances which lead to Jacques Demers and Serge Savard getting fired.
    2) 1998-99……..We went 11 in a row without a win in mid season in which all our top players went cold. This led to Recchi, Damphousse and others getting traded for basically nothing. Thanks Rejean Houle.
    3) 2003-04……..IN the run up to the playoffs we lost 5 in a row to primarily bad teams. WE ended falling from 4th to 7th in this stretch. However we won our last game of the season and then upset the B’s in the first round. This should give us some hope.
    4) 2006-07…….ONly needing a point in our last two games to clinch a playoff spot we played our worst two games of the year to lose to both the Rags and LEafs to self destruct. This was the Huet debacle game and lead to Yvon Pedneault to demand the Habs get Briere on RDS TV as the seconds ticked away.
    5) 2008-09…….The final games also known as the MARKOV collapse. Markov was injured by Grabovski at the end of the game in which we won 6 in a row. Without Markov we lost our last 4 of the season and got swept in the first rd by Boston in pathetic fashion. This lack of effort ending this season is most resembling of the play of the last three games. A team that has left their spirit at home and failed to play as a team. The good news is we still have a chance to save this season and I will predict they will.

    • Loonie says:

      Thanks for the trip down memory lane.

      I was struggling last night in trying to remember a three game losing streak that happened in such terrible fashion as the current skid. The only one I could think of was the start of the 95 season.

      The only thing that has me slightly concerned about this streak is that Michel Therrien appears to have no answers and looks as if he’s lost more so than any of our players.

      • Timo says:

        That because Therrien is a lousy coach. It was stupid to hire him. It will not produce any results other than 2-3 more years of the same mediocrity. Like many coach who preceded him he had a decent half a season worth of games and it will be all downhill from here, which for a short time period masked what he really is – a coach who only got a job in Mtl because he is french.

        He is not helping himself giving non-deserving players a lot of ice time.

        • Dr.Rex says:

          IF this slide continues the free ride will end for players like Moen and Desharnais. Even if it means playing Blunden and White ahead of them.

          The fact that Subban has to fight is embarassing to everyone. Imagine if Karlsson was harrassed by the likes of an aging over the hill MOrrow. The Sens would pound his face in.

          • Timo says:

            Like I said last night, for some reason Habs (at least as long as I can remember) always seem to have GMs and coaches who just don’t care whether Habs best players get mugged and harassed. Last night WAS embarrassing. Night before that too. And the night before. And pretty much anytime the opposing team decides to bring the tough game to the building. It’s like telling a kid at school to not back down from the bullies even if the kid keeps on taking the pounding time after time. Eventual it will wear out. You can get by on sheer enthusiasm and will only so long.

            I noticed that even Gallagher has been getting frustrated at the amount of pounding he has to take. Yet, coaching staff and management don’t seem to see it and don’t want to do anything about it.

        • Old Bald Bird says:

          Things are looking sombre for sure. On the other thread I wondered what kind of discussion there was amongst the coaches and also between MB and MT. Surely, there must be some discussion about ice time, pairings etc.

          • Dr.Rex says:

            The fact that Weber was the solution for last game is horrifying.

          • Timo says:

            You know, Gorges has been so incredibly bad that I think I don’t even mind Weber all that much right now. It is scary and pathetic but tis is the situation.

        • mrhabby says:

          MT inherited these players… a coach can only manage what he has been given.

    • Garbo says:

      You forgot to mention the ENTIRE 2011-2012 season.

    • habsfanincalgary says:

      This reminded me of the Centential year. If I remember correctly, Gainey was behind the bench with Carbo before he took over. I was at the embarrasement game when they lost 7-4, they went to Edmonton, lost another, they then went bowling as a team. They went on to lose in Van. PAINFUL.

      I don’t know what’s changed…Emelin’s absence takes away hits. Is Theirrien being outcoached?

      While the goalies have let some softies, the defence also has left them out to dry on some of the goals…

      Let’s hope this slump ends pretty quickly!

  71. commandant says:

    We go to Finland for our #9 Ranked Prospect.

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/18/rasmus-ristolainen-2013-nhl-draft-prospect-profile-9/

    While Max V argues that 6 Outdoor Games in a year is not Too Many for the NHL

    http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/18/bring-on-more-outdoor-games/

    Go Habs Go!
    Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
    http://lastwordonsports.com/

  72. habs-fan-84 says:

    man, how bad did that Boston announcer sound last night…just brutal

  73. nickster13 says:

    Hard nosed effort tonight, with a win or at least a low score, and all is forgiven

    “I don’t wanna see Maurice tonight, I want the rocket!”

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Me son tis like dis:

      If da Habs won all their remaining regular season games scoring 6 goals per & Carey Price won all by shutout it still would not be good enough!

  74. @ clay
    There’s a difference between free speech and what goes on here.
    What members do here after a game is mayhem. They do it because they can get away with it. Why because they hide online behind an ID. No real name, no address, no age, no consequences!

    It’s your (in general) right to free speech. It’s your right to protest. It’s your right to stand up and state your opinion and it’s your right to defend those people and their rights. It’s not your right to come on a sports forum and post comments with the only intent of upsetting the forum in general. That’s not a right! In real life what that is terrorize. But this is a sports forum, terror becomes trolling, and trolling is wrong.

    You do not see Summit members here post like that. Why is that? Because we wouldn’t act like that in public. Because at the next Summit you would find yourself sitting by yourself. Because in general no one agrees with comments like those posted after a loss or slump. Because you would be embarrassed if you post the things like that.

    So many of those fans post like they do because they hide behind a screen and a fake name why because they know that tomorrow no one they actually talk to face to face will be there.

    But hey that’s just my opinion, it’s my right to post it, and it’s your right to not agree with it, but it’s not your right to post (insert bad adjectives here) about me and my opinions.

    Removing key words makes the mods life easier, and it removes the trolls who can’t post their stated over and over opinions to the point no one reads the forum! Plus it makes for some funny posts making the loss that much more bearable.
    Great work Mods!

    Shane Oliver
    Twitter @Sholi2000
    http://www.Sholi2000.com
    Custom Sports Figures

    • Mustang says:

      Well said. I have not yet attended a Summit yet but I look forward to doing so next season.

    • Small_Town_Boy says:

      Thanks S

    • Dust says:

      So people who attend the Summit never say anything bad about anyone else. They are also a class above everyone else on that site. Huh. Good to know

      • Loonie says:

        I think the point was that with the exception of a couple of people, the members here who troll or consistently degrade others aren’t willing to put their name to what they’re saying.

      • No no not at all, but we discuss hockey like fans not crazies! We don’t ever talk above anyone, and we respect opinions. But at the Summit you would never see members talk they way some members here do after a loss or a poor game by a goalie.

        There are non goalie fans, and others, but they don’t act like trolls at all.

        Shane Oliver
        Twitter @Sholi2000
        http://www.Sholi2000.com
        Custom Sports Figures

    • MatsAttack says:

      Who died and put Shilo2000 in charge of HIO? Just cause some members get together to go to a game every year doesn’t mean you dictate what goes on here. If passionate fans want to vent about their favorite team from time to time, I don’t have a problem with it. I just ignore it. Who am I to tell others how they should feel?

      • Dunboyne Mike says:

        Passion and venting all welcome here.
        I’ve never been to a summit either, but I think you need to read Sholi’s posts more slowly and carefully if you have the impression he ever tells anyone how they should feel!
        So: Price or Halak?

        Ná ní bheidh siad scanraithe de na focail harsh le haghaidh bó naofa, fiú Praghas.

  75. Chris says:

    Stats actually can tell you a lot. And I have no problem with people introducing them into the conversation.

    It is easier to discuss and debate a position based on numbers.

    When somebody just uses a “I know hockey, and Player X is crap!”, there isn’t going to be much point in discussing it. That person has made their mind up, and are probably not going to have a particularly open mind when it comes to evaluating the veracity of their position.

    I think that both the gut instinct and the numbers are valuable. And I actually think our biases are also valuable, as long as they are stated.

    I have frequently stated that I don’t get the fascination with “crease-clearing” defencemen or thumpers. I’m more interested in guys that, by whatever means necessary, get the puck in Montreal’s zone and get it out of the zone. Markov has historically been very good at that. Lidstrom was the best in the league in that regard. What makes Chara special is that he can thump and clear the crease, but he has also been very adept at handling the puck.

  76. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Lupul’s points per game are second in the League. Would totally take him over Stamkos, Getzlaf, Ovechkin or Kane….

  77. ebk says:

    No, Chris, it’s much better when people pull opinions out of their butts and then do all sorts of mental gymnastics to try to add validity to their ass fact.

  78. Lafrich says:

    On one hand, great point. On the other hand, Markov has played enough games to have significance. Lupul has not. PLUS, Markov has backed up his crappy stats with crappy play.


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