Habs invite 50 players to development camp

The Canadiens announced on Thursday that they have invited 50 players to their development camp to be held July 7-11 at the Bell Sports Complex in Brossard.

Five of the six players selected at this year’s NHL draft will be in attendance, including first-round pick Nikita Scherbak (photo above). Twenty of the players invited to the camp are prospects who have been drafted by the Habs.

The first on-ice sessions will be on Monday, July 7, from 9:30 a.m. until 12:30 p.m. on both ice surfaces in Brossard. Practices will be held in the morning for the remainder of the week, followed by scrimmages at the end of the day.

All practices will be open to the public.

Canadiens general manager Marc Bergevin also announced on Thursday that he has signed forward T.J. Hensick to a one-year AHL contract with the Hamilton Bulldogs. The 28-year-old, who is 5-foot-9 and 170 pounds, split last season between the AHL’s Hartford Wolfpack and MODO in the Swedish league. In 42 games with Hartford, he posted 11-23-34 totals.

Fifty players invited to development camp, canadiens.com

Scherbak, De la Rose in spotlight at development camp, by The Gazette’s Pat Hickey

List of players invited to development camp, canadiens.com

Parenteau takes tour of Brossard facility, canadiens.com

Bulldogs sign Hensick to one-year contract, hamiltonbulldogs.com

Plenty of seats left for world juniors in Montreal, by The Gazette’s Brenda Branswell

Best and worst deals in NHL free agency, montrealgazette.com

 

 

815 Comments

  1. HabinBurlington says:

    So the enforcer debate has been solved. All we have to do is trade our roster for L.A.’s or Chicago’s or become Detroit and the world is a better place.

    I hope MB isn’t as stupid as me and not realize this is done easily and immediately.

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

      No fears…he appears to be operating @ a level well above ours.

    • marvin20 says:

      only if those teams hire Serge Savard or Houle as their new GM. They loved trading good tough players for nothing.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        Don’t forget Gauthier…mind you he never acquired anyone of that nature (except Staubitz)

        • marvin20 says:

          When Gauthier was there he had no tough players to give away. Other GM’s already gave them away

          • dr. schmutzdeker says:

            Gauthier/Martin were in complete/total denial (until the very end) when it came to the need for someone to respond to any mugging/goonery. After it became obvious that the team was not reacting well to continuous bullying/a # of embarrassing beatdowns, goat reacted in a panic and went out and got Stuabitz from Anaheim (I believe). I’m sure the state of the team in this reguard contributed (to a degree) to their overall 28th place finish/3rd overall draft pick.

  2. HardHabits says:

    Is anybody else keeping score?

    I have it at:

    Team Toughness 147 – Team Goon 36

    • krob1000 says:

      So show me the team toughness on the roster…beacuse I see noone in the top 6 on either F or D that fits this team toughness model….it is nice if you were a HAwks fan…but with the Habs roster…show me this team toughness.

      • HardHabits says:

        Toughness is not only fighting. Bergevin uses character. It’s part of the package. If not this season then coming. At the very least the Habs are bigger and for all intents and purposes getting grittier as well. All this while maintaining their level of skill and speed.

        People need to relax a bit with the goon/enforcer nonsense. It’s an ugly part of the game and I am sure people like Don Cherry would say it was the Apocalypse if the NHL adopted the IIHF rules for head shots and fighting, but Cherry’s time is up soon and I believe the league will have no choice but to follow the IIHF’s lead on these to issues.

        • krob1000 says:

          I am well aware of waht team toughness is…I have long lobbied for it and defended it…BUT…there is still a need for a tough guy to be accesible for certain games. I did not want a goon./…I do not like staged fights..I do like the retaliatory tit for tat that tehy porovide with players who repeatedly push the abs around when these guys are not in the lineup.

          I think the combo of Tinordi, Weise, PRust is enoguh for 80 percent of the games….this is why I would prefer a two way contract guy…but someone is necessary for all games vs the Bruins, for some vs the Sens, Leafs adn Flyers….everyon eelse? not worried at all. and agree with tthe team toughness approach…BUT for those games someone is needed.

        • dr. schmutzdeker says:

          I agree to a degree…but there must be a willingness to engage (in silliness) if necessary to prevent more (silliness)…I also agree with Knob1000 that there is little or none within the top 6 F and D(giving Gallagher a pass based on his size/heart size).

          Yes, toughness isn’t just about fighting/goonery, however there sometimes needs to be a message sent (tout suite) when (for example) Gallagher is being mugged. (involving the spontaneous dropping of the mitts)…best examples of recent years originate (sigh) with White…on Boychuck, Ott etc (along with some foolish ones)

      • marvin20 says:

        that’s the problem they are lacking in team toughness, especially up front and the challenge is addressing the issue without hiring a one dimensional player “enforcer” They have lots of good tough, big prospects coming up. just look at the roster for development camp, its very impressive.

    • habstrinifan says:

      I am trying to play Switzerland. Neutral.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  3. SmartDog says:

    5 QUESTIONS:
    1. To goon or not to goon – are you for or against?
    2. More important – will MB get one or not?
    3. Are we a better team today than at this time last year?
    4. Will our season be better than last year?
    5. Captain – who should it be? /Who WILL it be?
    SD

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    • HardHabits says:

      1. Not to goon
      2. I hope not so no.
      3. Yes
      4. If so that would awesome so maybe, but my expectations are no.
      5. It should be Gallagher it will be Markov.

    • JUST ME says:

      1- i do not remember it being a factor last season even against the bucking fruins. But we should not be blind either and find ourselves too vulnerable. It s not as if the NHL has changed it`s way of seing and doing things…So i say against but not naive…
      2- don`t think he will and probably will call on Crisp if needed
      3-slightly , just slightly better
      4-our season should be about the same, results wise ,although difficult to copy considering our successes and how close we got.
      5- if chosen by players it will be Pleks if chosen by me it should be Markov until in 3 years P.K takes over.

    • Chris says:

      1. Not to goon…pointless unless you can get a Lucic, which we can’t.
      2. No.
      3. About the same.
      4. Depends on injuries. Lots of room for improvement for Eller, Bourque, and Emelin so that is a plus.
      5. Plekanec (everybody knows that Markov doesn’t want it) / Plekanec

    • Habcouver says:

      1. Against gooning: has never worked in Habs favor, never will.
      2. MB will not trade assets for one. Prust and Moen may need to endure it another year.
      3. Much better.
      4. No but regardless entertaining.
      5. Markov should be captain; Pleks will be.

      We Are (Not) All Canucks.
      Proudly Canadian but passionately Canadien!

    • Rugger says:

      1. No Goons
      2. No
      3. Better
      4. Will be tough to repeat this years performance, but will be better the year after.
      5. Price should but Montreal is too trad. for a Goalie Cap’n. Will be Prust.

    • marvin20 says:

      1. nobody wants to goon, or fight not a well worded question. I would ask question 1. would you like more team toughness- my answer Yes
      2. MB will hope for some pleasant surprises in training camp, and get an “enforcer” one dimensional player at a last resort, unless he can pull off a trade that brings in a guy who is tough and can play a regular shift.
      3. yes but still work to do
      4. I hope so that means they will be in the finals, just a couple pieces missing
      5. Subban and Prust as co captains

    • habstrinifan says:

      #1: Team has enough size and possible solutions on the FARM to hold off with an answer until we see evidence in their play. This team has gotten bigger and truly the ONLY size we have lost is Murray.

      #2: See #1.. he may not need to.

      #3:YES!

      #4: Our regular season should be more even. Meaning we may not get off to as fast a start but we wont have some of the swoons we had. The playoffs may not be better .. and notbecause we are a worse team but just the fact you can’t forecast playoff performance/success so early.

      #5: I have no answer. I know P.K should get an A.

      “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

      https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

      • marvin20 says:

        People sometimes mix up size with toughness. I would take small skilled players who are tough over larger skilled player who are soft. The tough skilled players will show up in the playoffs and the soft skilled players will vanish. Montreal has increased their size but toughness is a different story.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Last year there was a poll on HIO, on whether you wanted Fighting Banned in NHL. Result was 66% NO. Most of us like it. Thems the facts. Get over it. It ain’t going anywhere.Saludos!
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    • adesbarats says:

      1. If you can get a goon who is a two way player with some scoring ability then, sure, why not?
      2. No, he won’t because 1 above is not available.
      3. Yes
      4. Yes
      5. Pleks or Markov

  4. scott595 says:

    First time poster. Just looking at all the discussion about who should be captain. I am not one to say so and so should get it because he’s been with the team for x number of years. Thats a failed strategy in any type of business. Then the captancy becomes like a reward which it shouldn’t. The player with the C on his jersey should be the leader in the room and on the ice. That’s why I personally feel pk subban should be the next captain.

  5. Peter Young says:

    Hello, comrades. Taking a short break for the first time since beginning my World Cup break. Did anything happen while I was away? Just kidding. I’ve read some of the stories and comments.

    Very pleased with developments. If we didn’t know it before, we surely know it now: the Canadiens have an excellent general manager, one who has a clear vision of what is needed to improve our team and, equally as important, the ability to turn that vision into reality. One can’t ask for more in a general manager than intelligence, knowledge and the ability to execute.

  6. Forum Dog says:

    RE: the goon debate.

    Personally, I don’t love the idea of a “goon”, particularly because it implies a one dimensional player whose only role is to engage in staged fights with the other team’s “goon”. But I hope that we can all agree that having players on your roster who have pugilistic skills AND can play regular minutes are valuable assets.

    Hockey is an intense, emotional and highly physical game. Guys who can in back up either their own play or the play of the team with their fists are important, especially in the NHL. People didn’t test Gordie Howe because they knew that if they did, he would punch their lights out.

    Obviously those types of hockey players are a rarity, and increasingly so. But it never hurts to have a guy who can hold down a regular shift and be there to successfully answer the bell if needed. I can think of some good ones in the 80′s and 90′s.

    Nilan;
    Momesso;
    Mike McPhee;
    Mario Tremblay;
    Corson;
    Odelein;
    Turner Stevenson;

    These types of guys are valuable teammates that boost the confidence of those around them.

    • HardHabits says:

      Without a doubt. Hockey is a physical sport. Physical means physics apply. Mass x Acceleration = Energy.

      • Forum Dog says:

        Yep, and for every action (i.e. cheap, reckless plays or physical intimidation against you or your teammates) there is an equal and opposite reaction (i.e. stand-up and push back).

        • HardHabits says:

          Score the PP goal. Win the game is the best push back.

          I love players that can scrap, just not, as you so eloquently put it…

          “one dimensional player(s) whose only role is to engage in staged fights with the other team’s goon”

          • Forum Dog says:

            I’m with you on that. I love a player who that stand-up an opponent who tries to get away with garbage hockey. Guys that scrum in your crease (for example) need to know there is a price for that. Which is why guys like Odelein and Chelios were so valuable in the most recent MTL heydays. If you were coming into Roy’s crease, you were gonna take at least as much as you gave out, and probably more. That is kind of missing right now, although I think Tinordi (and maybe even Beaulieu) have that type of attitude. Which bodes well.

    • JUST ME says:

      I agree with all your comments but would add that comes playoffs time hockey is as much if not more a mental game as a physical one. If not then how do you expect that the Bruins seemed so helpless in front of a smaller and less intimidating team ?
      Every season the coaches try to take the pressure away from the players until one event happens and redirect all the focus of the duel.
      We must not be naive either and neglect the physical side of the Habs game but with the concussion issue and the court dates becoming more and more obvious , one could think that the time is coming when firm decisions will be made towards banning those unidimensional players from the game.

    • marvin20 says:

      you forgot Ryan Walter, Ludwig, carbonneau, Kirk Muller, Chelios, C. Lemieux, John LeClair, Mike Keene, Craig Conroy, Aaron Asham Rob Ramage (93 playoffs) and the list go’s
      The sad thing when you think about it Montreal gave most of those players away for nothing. That’s a great example of team toughness and how easily it can slip through your fingers

      • Forum Dog says:

        It’s true. I thought about some of those guys, especially Skrudland, Keane, Lemieux and Ludwig, but I don’t remember them being particularly good at scrapping. Leclair yeah (for a brief time), and Asham for sure.

        • marvin20 says:

          it not all about scrapping. When you are tough nobody challenges you as much, and you have enough confidence to skate away with out backing down

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

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  7. krob1000 says:

    Did it ever occur to anyonet hat the three touhest players the team has are a guy who will fight anyone and has wonky shoulders, a guy who has twice been concussed and should have someone sticking up for him not the other way around…and a guy who probably deserves to be a third liner in Wiese who was also concussed recently? This concerns noone? I can;t imagine it being too comforting for the rest of the guys knowing that if one of these guys sticks up for them it may come at the expense of their fried and teammates career.
    We all wish it wasn;t necessary but the NHL disciplinary and NHLPA make it a required element …especially on a team with guys like Gllagher, Subban, Emelin,etc.

    • shiram says:

      I’d say a great part of hockey players have had concussions.
      And for enforcers and goons, it’s probably very close to a 100%.

    • Max_a_million says:

      Because having Parros and Laraque were helpful in that regard?

      You have to be useful to be on the ice.

      We got rid of some little guys who needed to be take care of, and replaced them with bigger tougher guys. I’m not that worried.

      • krob1000 says:

        They were both useful….not as useful as hoped because one decided he didn’t like the role anymore and wanted to be popular in the media and one got hurt..but I remember both of them skating around taunting Chara and Lucic….and neitehr wanting anything to with them….to me…and likely to their teamates..taht alone was worth it…

    • marvin20 says:

      I would look at LA or Chicago, they don’t need to fight because nobody messes with them. They have a great mix of team toughness. Montreal is building that type of team and are almost their

    • Loop_Garoo says:

      I think it concerns a great many people here, which is why so much of the discussion here is centered around this very fact. The concussions, bad shoulders etc are one reason why there should be no fighting, and don’t forget each one of those people is quite capable of doing the real macho thing and simply skating away.

      The 3.5 year old who will soon by my stepson was this weekend playing with another 3 year old who got angry and hit future stepson twice. Future stepson got up, got one of his toys and gave the other child this toy as a gift, as he said, “he is really angry, so maybe this ball will make him happy”. That right there is the way to handle these things (also the natural way for us to respond, the violence is taught), as I said before, there is simply no excuse for one adult trying to beat up another adult because his feelings got hurt in a game.

      And it is by no means a required element, it is a manufactured element designed to market the game to people who cannot appreciate it for what it is on its own. The only big shock is that the rest of us bought in.

      I know a lot of people will get upset by this as some affront to “hockey culture” but it isn’t, I have no problem with hard physical play, I love it, and to be honest, I am a big strong guy, an excellent fighter, I just refuse to do it anymore, even in a sport setting like MMA. I don’t need to “defend my manhood” in a fight, a real man is defined by the courage and capacity to walk away, and not hurt someone that you are very capable of hurting. Turning sport into a modern day Roman Coliseum is just embarrassing and dehumanizing.

  8. Un Canadien errant says:

    I’m way behind here, trying to catch up to some of the pearls from the last couple days, but has it been brought to everyone’s attention that Yannick Weber has been signed by the Canucks? He signed a one-year deal for $850 000, so a contract that can be buried in the minors with no cap hit if need be.

    Some pointy heads think that it may be a salvo aimed at Chris Tanev, another rightie defenceman, who had a protracted negotiation with the team last summer, and is not being any more accommodating this year. There have ‘leaked’ some rumours about how he may be traded to Detroit, among other destinations, with the Canucks relying on Kevin Bieksa, Frank Corrado and Yannick on the right side of the blue line. I don’t think that’s going to happen, the Canucks have the upper hand in these negotiations, and they see Chris Tanev as a building block for the future, while Yannick is more of a stopgap at this point.

    Zack Kassian also re-upped, for two years at a very reasonable $1.7M per. Some feared that he’d use the scoring surge he showed at the end of the season as a reason to ask for much more. This contract should squash any trade rumours or hare-brained trade proposals. Even before this good contract was signed, Zach is the only piece the Canucks have in terms of great size with talent and some scoring ability, and there’s the faint hope he could eventually be the thumper/bodyguard/finisher on the Sedin line. He’s not going anywhere.

    http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/zack-kassian-yannick-weber-re-sign-with-canucks-1.2696657

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  9. B says:

    Shayne Corson’s son Dylan is one of the Hab’s invitees.

    –Go Habs Go!–

  10. HardHabits says:

    I get it now. In the realm of hockey there is a magical thing called goon presence. It’s a powerful force. Just the sheer mention of this magical goon puts a special energy field around his team mates so that they can never be given a cheap shot by the opponents ever again.

    • krob1000 says:

      There is this mythical thing called bullying…you may have heard about it..but it deosn’t eexist either…or does it? Actaully in porfessional sport it is encouraged and used as an intimidation method to distract and weaken an opponent. Common symptoms are lack of enthusiasm, docile and/or unattentive behaviour, lack of confidence, inability to look people in the eyes after whistles and a general personality change as a result of lost self confidence…..but it is all mythical…cause you know we would all love to be pushed around and intimidated after every whistle in front of millions of viewers and thousands of fans live 82 times a year and labelled as soft all over the internet…right?

      • HardHabits says:

        Hence why team toughness is important.

        George Parros played a total of 100:06 minutes in 22 games last season. His on ice average was 4:33, lowest on the team. The only people who played less hockey than him were Louis Leblanc, Mike Blunden, Patrick Holland and Christian Thomas and they all had more ice time per game. Parros’ contribution to the Habs was nil, or worse. He added nothing, nada, zilch. He had 1 assist. He was meaningless.

        Bullying is not mythical. The protection from cheap shots is.

        I remember the Beantown Beatdown. That type of sh*t needs to be taken out of hockey. However given the make-up of the team and the dynamic GMMB is building I doubt such a display will reproduce itself.

        • krob1000 says:

          I disagree completely …I think both PArros and Murray tamed Chara and Lucic among others. HE was valued in a handful of games where all it takes is one incident to hurt a key player long term….there will alwys be other injuries and still be cheap shots…but the accountability is enough to deter most guys. Locks only keep the honest people out and goons only protect against the honest (you get the idea) tough guys…but they can hurt you too…..there will always be cheapo shots…but as far as I can tell…locks still sell and tough guys still have jobs in the NHL.

          • HardHabits says:

            Murray was good to have because he actually played hockey, albeit not very convincingly. Even given that, I have always been a Murray supporter. I liked his presence in the blue paint because it made sure nothing escalated. He could deliver a bone crusher and generally made the smart play when he wasn’t gassed.

            He still played rookie minutes and was nowhere above 6th on the depth chart. If given a choice between signing him or Bouillon I’d still say Douglas all the way. But he is no goon or enforcer.

            Murray had one fight last season and lost it. Parros was an embarrassment and contributed nothing.

            So a big player who can quiet things down here and there. Good. A player warming the bench. Bad.

            I would still like better than Murray and hopefully that player is Tinordi. Who BTW is no goon or enforcer but is a hockey player that can fight. Give me those in abundance. Goons and enforcers? Forgetaboutit.

          • marvin20 says:

            Murray stepped up and fought John Scott. Nobody expected him to win. That is what a great teammate is was. To call Paros an embarrassment is harsh. He came in and did what was asked of him. He neutralized Orr and made him a non-factor. He also took on the toughest guys the NHL has to offer and never backed down. Thornton backed down when face to face with Paros and Murray, maybe why Thornton is no longer there.
            However those guys were their because of the number of smaller forwards Montreal had last year. Now they are bigger but just need a some more toughness to complete against the west

        • marvin20 says:

          WOW that’s and interesting thought “team toughness” unfortunately Montreal is not there yet. They are on the right track, but still are not tough enough. However I remain optimistic a couple guys will step up in training camp and complete the puzzle. I would only consider a one dimensional player such as and “enforcer’ at a last resort. I want tough players who can contribute and play a regular shift, but those players come at a steep price.

      • Chris says:

        The Canucks have, at various times, employed Sestito, Kassian, Weise, Torres, Rypien, Glass, Hordichuk, and Ritchie, all guys who were happy to serve as enforcers, to help protect their stars. In Bieksa and Ballard, they have had another couple of guys happy to drop the gloves to stick up for teammates.

        They have routinely one of the league’s leaders in fighting majors (finishing 4th, 6th, 12th, 23rd, 6th, 5th, and 3rd over the past 7 seasons in fighting majors), and yet the story around the Sedins has always been that they are soft, that they can be bullied, etc.

        Sorry, Rob, but having enforcers has absolutely zero effect on whether a player gets bullied or labelled as soft. Their play dictates that, as does their response to adversity.

        Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Zetterberg would only be labelled as soft or easily bullied by somebody who either knows zero about hockey or somebody who has never watched either guy play. Yet they have never had the benefit of an enforcer.

        Enforcers do have a role: they energize an element of the fan base during games, and they provide a break from monotony in dull games for teams that don’t have a lot going on. In some cases, they allow a team to save face for a pathetic hockey performance and get labelled as ‘going down fighting’. This is a silly tactic, but it unfortunately works all too well.

        • krob1000 says:

          Well I can tell you anytime I have been on the ice with a tough guy whether it be as a youth, as men’s league player,etc…I felt a hell of a lot better knowing someone had my back. This is si the smae feeling get playing baseball knowing I can crowd the plate because I have a pitcher who will throw at their batters ear if I get thrown at. This eefect is not made up…it happens…has for years. Youo are saying that enforcers have zero effect despite players themselves saying differently…yet we know better???? seriously? The San Jose sharks…a pretty good team I hear just went and signed John Scott…must be for the those few dull moments? YOu guys can want them gone all you want…I actually wouldn’t mind…but th ereality is they do serve a purpose…and they do have an affect….you claim DD is the teams best option at center because they use him that way…then I guess you should concede this debate because teams use tough guys?
          You guys can be agaist them all you want…but deny that they have an affect? unbelievable really….you don;t think it affected the Habs who have been pushed around for years by Chara and Lucic to see them cower and back away from both Parros and Murray?

          • Chris says:

            Rob, my problem with your argument is that I think you are missing my point. You felt better that a teammate had your back. My point is that in the NHL, the guy that goes after a Daniel Sedin (e.g. Brad Marchand) has nothing to worry about from Tom Sestito or Darcy Hordichuk or Rick Rypien. Those guys simply cannot be played against him.

            So sure…get a guy like Kevin Bieksa or Keith Ballard, a player that might actually be on the ice to protect the star players. And I believe we have those guys in Prust and Weise. So why do we need more? Tell Prust and Weise to stop fighting stupid fights against enforcers and only fight the guys that matter when it matters. Cut the staged fight crap, cut the motivational fight crap when the team is losing, and save them for those few instances per year (10-15) where a fight might actually be warranted.

            Sending out George Parros to fight Colton Orr to retaliate for Leo Komarov pissing off Max Pacioretty makes zero sense to me.

            As for your Chara/Lucic argument…what backing away? Chara’s fight totals in the last 5 seasons: 2, 2, 4, 1, and 1. If you want to claim that Murray or Parros caused him to back away, I’m just going to disagree. There is no evidence for it. He is simply too smart a player to get involved in that stuff. He still cuffs people around in his crease, he still gives them their cross-checks, and he still laughs at anybody that comes up to try to intimidate him.

            Chara wasn’t cowering or backing away from anybody this season. it was simply a case of a dominant player no longer being the same guy because age has started to really affect his play.

            As for Lucic, I’ve noticed the opposite effect: his game is as often as not more belligerent when the Habs try to counter him. He really epitomizes the “Don’t poke the bear!” expression. He is always prone to sleep-walking through games. It is when you rile him that he plays like an idiot and can actually hurt you.

        • krob1000 says:

          Well I can tell you anytime I have been on the ice with a tough guy whether it be as a youth, as men’s league player,etc…I felt a hell of a lot better knowing someone had my back. This is si the smae feeling get playing baseball knowing I can crowd the plate because I have a pitcher who will throw at their batters ear if I get thrown at. This eefect is not made up…it happens…has for years. Youo are saying that enforcers have zero effect despite players themselves saying differently…yet we know better???? seriously? The San Jose sharks…a pretty good team I hear just went and signed John Scott…must be for the those few dull moments? YOu guys can want them gone all you want…I actually wouldn’t mind…but th ereality is they do serve a purpose…and they do have an affect….you claim DD is the teams best option at center because they use him that way…then I guess you should concede this debate because teams use tough guys?
          You guys can be agaist them all you want…but deny that they have an affect? unbelievable really….you don;t think it affected the Habs who have been pushed around for years by Chara and Lucic to see them cower and back away from both Parros and Murray?

      • Chris says:

        Double post.

    • marvin20 says:

      the sad thing is that you don’t get it, if you think team toughness is not a huge part in building a winning team. This world “goon” keeps getting used when most people would like the Habs to have more team toughness up front to insulate their skilled forwards. But as I have said before the first 20 games will tell the story. Maybe I don’t get it and team toughness is irrelevant in todays NHL

      • HardHabits says:

        Are some of you people so dense that you can’t differentiate between a goon and toughness? So obviously you don’t get it.

        I am and have always been 100% in favour of team toughness and have not just been behind the size and grit movement here but am one if its forbearers and one of its most vocal proponents since way before EOTP when stats nerd.

        My position is that I am against any hockey player whose sole purpose is to fight, such as Parros or BGL. Those two players contributed nothing and if anything made the team worse by taking up a roster spot. Markov’s first bad injury happened with BGL in the line-up. How did he help?

        • marvin20 says:

          oh so you agree with me; however I must be dense because I don’t know what BGL stands for

          • HardHabits says:

            BGL = Big George Laraque

          • marvin20 says:

            big George was only picked up because Gainey signed a lot of smaller free agents. Which is why the idea of team toughness makes more sense.

        • krob1000 says:

          The issue is the teams biggest rival has two of the toughest guys in the NHL in Lucic and Chara…and they canplay top pairing minutes and top 6 minutes….SO…because those guys don;t grow on trees…the only way to combat it is with a tough guy (because we can’t plucka tough guy who can play those minutes off the tough guy tree out back)…..and it turns the tables….instea Chara sand Lucic don;t want to risk injury against guys they don;t deem wirhty…it lets everyone else play….same effect against Ottawa and Toronto, PHilly,etc.

          • marvin20 says:

            Toronto is not that tough anymore they have traded all their pit bulls for poodles. Orr is a non factor, and lost every fight last year and Mclearen played most of the year in the AHL

          • marvin20 says:

            chara is past his prime, and Lucic, his more interested in cheap shots, and is easily knocked off his game. Tanordi and Prust can handle those two clowns. But I still would like a little more team toughness

  11. B says:

    For anyone who’s interest, the first post in the link below contains an extensive list of invitees to NHL team’s development camps:

    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1680553

    –Go Habs Go!–

  12. habstrinifan says:

    Captain aHab:JULY 4, 2014 AT 2:07 PM
    “I think you need to have a killer instinct to want to train more and become fitter”

    So who has more (or less if you are a glass half-empty sort) of a killer instinct.. Raonic or Plekanic?

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  13. NightRyder says:

    Anyone else make posts that don’t seem to appear?

  14. bwoar says:

    We don’t need en enforcer? Sure, and I’ve got a bridge to sell you mugs. Wishing it were so will never, ever make it so.

  15. B says:

    Habs development camp invitee Bokondji Imama.

    I wondered about undrafted 20 year old Ross J (his last name is causing me troubles trying to post it), but the big PEI native was invited to Phoenix’s, uh make that Arizona’s development camp.

    –Go Habs Go!–

    • CJ says:

      Imama stood out the very first time I watched Baie Comeau. I will say this, if the goal is to make a lasting impression, Imama is our guy. I think this kid is a diamond, albeit unrefined, waiting to shine.

      • adamkennelly says:

        quite a few tough players at DEV CAMP but I’m pretty sure Habs have a no scrapping rule so these guys are going to have to make their presence felt in other ways…

        I’m very please with what the future looks like w/ Tinordi, Crisp, Thrower, McCarron, Lernout – toss in Nevins and Imama – but pretty concerned about the next couple of years for the NHL version of the Habs..that list is quite short.

        • CJ says:

          By short, you mean nonexistent?

          I’m sure I’m wrong. There probably won’t be any fights this year and those guys we do have will all be able to take care of themselves…..

          • Chris says:

            There will be plenty of fights. Weise and Prust aren’t going to stop fighting all of a sudden. And either of those guys can handle themselves against most top-9 forwards in the NHL not named Lucic.

            What there probably won’t be a lot of are the staged fights that do nothing other than risk injury. I’m okay with that. Weise and Prust are idiots if they sink to fighting an enforcer. Just skate away from those guys, and their teams have no choice but to stop dressing them. This is what Toronto discovered when other teams decided they weren’t going to play Randy Carlyle’s games.

          • CJ says:

            I don’t like the staged fights either. I could’t stand watching BGL and Parros was not much better. I am advocating for a comprimise, the guy who can play, but also take care of things. Guys like Chirs Neil circa 2006-2012. These are hard nosed players who can contribute both on the ice and in the alley so to speak. Of course, these guys are also very hard to acquire. We are, IMO, doing the right thing by drafting and developing these players internally. I have brought forward the name Anthony Peluso, because I see in him a certain amount of a young Chris Neil (again, I can’t begin to tell you how much it pains me to say that….).

          • krob1000 says:

            PRust was an effective player until his injuries…sure it can be argued it has to do with his reckless hits but they sure don’t get bette rbeing yanked on by guys who outweigh him by 40lbs all the time. The fact the division has gotten weaker will help a ton…but somewhere whether it be a two way or a ful timer MB must address this issue. Weise already has a concussiona nd Lucic has already threatened him, Chara tried to decapitate the teams best player…in the game following the one where went after him like a lunatic for nudging him….those two are still there.
            I don;’t think the team needs a guy playing every night but the threat of him playing the next time your teams meet will go a long way…Lucic and Chara don’t want to fight a goon…so they behave.
            There are always going to bodies in the pressbox….one of them might aas well be a tough guy most nights…

          • Chris says:

            Lucic can’t touch Weise now. They will have one staged fight at one point, and Lucic will be told by his GM and coach to not do anything stupid in that fight. By putting that threat out there, he neutered himself for life.

  16. UKRAINIANhab says:

    Yes France is out!

    Continue on with your day!

    Sign a fighter so we can stop talking about it! Go Columbia : D

  17. NightRyder says:

    Evander Kane and Steve MacIntyre. That is all.

  18. habs-hampton says:

    I’m not being a Smart***, this is a serious question. Why is it in Montreal, the only way you can learn to play center is to NOT play center? You have to learn to play on the wing first. Do all other organizations do this as well? I don’t see it. At what point do you just tell Galenchuk “you’re a center, now go do your job”. He’ll make mistakes, but that’s how you learn.

    • NightRyder says:

      “He’ll make mistakes, but that’s how you learn.”
      Explain that to MT.

    • myron.selby says:

      The problem is that he is apparently lousy on draws as well as not being particularly good in his own zone. These are not the attributes you look for from a centre. I’d say that he probably won’t get a real shot at it until he starts showing a lot more defensive acumen inside our blue line.

      • NightRyder says:

        So he’s going to get better on faceoffs by not taking any, and learn the defensive aspects of the position by not playing it?
        OK.

        • myron.selby says:

          The problem is he hasn’t even figured out how to be effective in his own zone as a winger. Once he starts to figure that out maybe he gets moved to centre. How many goals would you like us to give up while he wanders around lost in our zone?

          I hear people suggesting putting him into Desharnais’ spot. That would be perfect – we already have Pacioretty skating aimlessly around in our end, add Galchenyuk to that equation and they’ll have to score 100 goals just to not be a net minus as a line.

          • Captain aHab says:

            Tough to be effective when most of your dmen’s first pass is to the board.

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            Prepare to be boarded!!

          • formerly known as the hc says:

            Indeed. I can see it clear as day before it even happens. There is a legion of posters who scream “fire MT for not playing Galchenyuk at Centre”. Give the kid a three game stretch at Center where he is a minus, maybe costs Habs a couple of games, these same people will be screaming “fire MT, Fire MB, Fire Timmons… Galchenyuk is a bust and a wasted pick, trade him for anything now before he’s worth nothing…”

            -The beatings will continue until morale improves-

        • Captain aHab says:

          I have to admit I don’t get it either. Might as well play young goalies on the wing until they learn to stop the puck.

          They now have Malhothra and I hope he can do some teaching on the draw.

          —————-
          Prepare to be boarded!!

      • Habfan17 says:

        I get the defence part, but as I played centre for many years, he will not get good on draws or learn the nuances of taking them in the NHL, which includes getting used to how the linesmen drop the puck, until he plays centre.

        Even the defensive zone issues, that is what coaches are for. He has played centre his entire career before playing for the Habs and I am sure other centres, McKinnon, Barkov, and others, had to learn the defensive aspect. They got to do it at centre!

        Habfan17

        • Chris says:

          He actually played the wing in his last junior season.

          Other centres were further along then Galchenyuk was. His Sarnia team unfortunately moved him to left wing to improve their chances of making the playoffs, stunting his development as a centre. He missed a year due to his knee injury. And then he moved to the NHL, where the team had 3 guys not well suited to playing the wing already at centre. It was just bad luck.

    • CJ says:

      Funny, I was just going to post a reply below, but I’ll piggy back if that’s ok. In summary, my point is very much the exact same. Folks say that Chucky can’t play centre, is not defensively responsible as a centre, is no good in the faceoff circle…… My question is this, how the heck do we know that? My memory, which admittedly is not the greatest, recalls Chucky starting one game at centre. ONE. Anyone care to guess when and where – nevermind, I hate guessing games too. On the road, in St. Louis, before Christmas.

      Look, I have no idea what to expect because the honest answer is I have only seen him at centre in a very small sample. He might prove to be terrible and we would need to shuffle the deck. Or, he might prove very adaptable. IMO, there is risk involved in doing nothing and there is risk in doing something. So, that said, let’s take a chance and see where it goes. Chucky with Max and Gally could be a very good line. Or, if the team feels the need to keep DD with Max and Parenteau, then maybe we try Chucky with Gally and Sekac/DLR/free agent-trade. Or, maybe we just keep the status quo. Go forward with DD and Pleks as our 1 and 2 and keep Chuck on the wing for another 1-3 years……

      At some point the team needs to draw a line in the sand. IMO, we addressed the issues on defence, specifically the imbalance of RH and LH shots. The defence is now in a position to succeed. Again, just my opinion, but the final two issues that require attention are goaltending and forwards. The goaltending file is fairly straight forward – move Budaj. I like our bottom six (Bourque-Eller-Weise; Prust-Maholtra-Bournival). We just need to figure out the top six. There is no rush. There is no need to address the issue today. Perhaps we have a better idea of what we have following the development camp. More realistically, we wait until training camp.

      I have been critical of the organization for not providing our younger players with a larger role. That said, it looks like the team is going to give Tiny and Beaulieu a shot. They need to earn it, but there should be a place in our 23 man roster for both. Up front, I like the idea of providing for internal competition for a spot among our forward group. There was all this talk about Vrbata, but I have no idea where he would fit. So far as I see it, if there are no further changes, our lineup is likely to look something like;

      Max-DD-Parenteau
      Chucky-Pleks-Gally
      Bourque-Eller-Weise
      Prust-Maholtra-Bournival
      Moen

      Markov-Subban
      Emelin-Gilbert
      Beaulieu-Weaver
      Tinordi

      Price
      Tokarski

      • NightRyder says:

        Please use all nicknames.

      • Chris says:

        He also played centre in the OHL, where a number of us got to watch him play. His weak defensive zone play and poor faceoff performance was part of why he got moved to left wing with Charles Sarault as the centre, as was Sarault’s inability to play anywhere close to as well as a winger as he was as a centre (where he was one of the best in the OHL).

        • CJ says:

          I think you make a fair point Chris. Your feedback from the junior ranks is always beyond reproach, so far as I am concerned. That said, he missed a year of junior before being drafted. So, your evaluation is based on him at 17 years of age. Could it not be fair to say that things have changed? My performance, professionally, has changed vastly in one-quarter, let alone 3-4 years. My point is, we need to be careful not to label the kid based on skills and abilities as a 17-year-old. Fact is, IMO, none of us know for sure what he have. As noted above, he may not be a good centre ice man. He may be below average. I really don’t know.

          Respectfully, CJ

          • Chris says:

            Not entirely…it was also based on the first 15 games when he came back from the knee injury.

            I actually think he can become a very good centre. But he’s got things to learn, and he can do some of that learning on the wing while the team waits out the logjam. Desharnais or Plekanec will be gone within a couple of years. In that time, Galchenyuk can continue to work on his defensive zone play, which is still abysmal, and he can continue to work on faceoffs in practice.

            The Montreal Canadiens have an interesting window right now. They are probably not as good as LA, Chicago, St. Louis or Anaheim. But they are a good to very good team that can cause trouble in a weak Eastern Conference. And if they can get to the Stanley Cup Finals playing strong defence with Carey Price in net, they can absolutely knock off anybody in a seven game series in the same way that the Devils shocked the Red Wings in 1995.

            So many people look at this team as building for 2-3 years from now. The problem with that mentality is that there are far too many unknowns along the way. I honestly think that Bergevin thinks this as well, which is why he has not dealt Plekanec or Desharnais.

            Keeping Galchenyuk as a winger and Desharnais, Plekanec and Eller as centres makes the Montreal Canadiens a stronger team in the short term than trading one of Desharnais or Plekanec for 50 cents on the dollar and going with an inferior winger plus Galchenyuk, Plekanec, and Eller as the centres.

            Galchenyuk will continue to play the wing until that paradigm changes. The Habs need another good top-6 winger. We know that Galchenyuk was that guy in junior, where he averaged almost a goal per game. Until they get a better option, I see no compelling reason to move him from that position.

          • CJ says:

            Chris, I like your thoughts and agree with most. A question and a comment if I may – firstly, where is there room for a top six winger? So far as I can see we have DD-Max-PA-Pleks-Gally-Chucky. I am for exiting one of DD or Pleks, but only if it is part of a blockbuster to land a legit top six player (Kane – just an example). But, if the lineup stays the same, I don’t see an opening.

            Lastly, if Chucky is considered abysmal defensively, what about DD? Frankly, I don’t see much there in our zone. Kid works his tail off, but I can recall numerous plays this season in which he failed to pick up someone in our zone. The other player who stood out (in a bad way) was Gionta. Funny, cause Gionta was being touted as a great defensive player, but IMO, it was preception vs reality. I wonder, respectfully, if this may also cloud the impression of Chucky…..

          • Chris says:

            There isn’t one as of yet. If the team can find a trade partner to get a top-6 goal-scoring winger, I am all for it. Unfortunately, the only one that might be available that would satisfy Habs fans is Evander Kane, and the Jets are demanding return commensurate with a 40-goal power forward in exchange for him.

            Montreal does not have the depth nor the assets to pull off that trade with Plekanec or Desharnais as the centrepiece. The Jets would likely insist on Galchenyuk, and the Habs would be wise to walk away.

            Other than that, who else can be had? Iginla was never coming to Montreal as a free agent. I don’t see him ever returning to Canada.

            James Neal would have been nice, but the Penguins weren’t likely to send him to Montreal. And the cost for him, Hornqvist and Spaling, would probably equate to something like Gallagher + Bournival from Montreal. That is NOT a trade most Habs fans would be willing to make.

            I would have actually liked if Montreal could have got Hornqvist, personally, but Nashville got a much better deal from Pittsburgh.

            When Berglund was being dangled, I was keen on that move as he can play centre and the wing, so I would have dealt Plekanec or Desharnais for him. St. Louis might have taken Plekanec, but now they have Stastny.

    • Chris says:

      Tyler Seguin played wing for two years in Boston.

      Patrik Elias played wing for over a decade before moving to centre.

      Evgeni Malkin oscillated between the wing and centre for the Penguins.

      Stamkos and Corey Perry still play the wing despite having been dominant centres in junior.

      So yes, other organizations routinely do this type of stuff. I’m still not convinced that Galchenyuk has to become a centre, and especially not in the short term. I’m certainly convinced that he is the 4th best centre on the team at present, which is why he is still being used as a winger.

      • HardHabits says:

        Voice of reason.

      • CJ says:

        There is no template, that is for sure. Chucky might need another season at wing. Heck, he might never be the centre ice man that the team needs. They are all different. Because MacKinnon steps in and becomes a 1A centre doesn’t mean that Chucky will.

        We will just have to wait and see. I have heard both Therien and Bergevin refer to him as a centre though, so it is likely that they will give him a chance at some point. The only question, IMO, is when. So long as we have DD, Pleks, Eller and MM as our 1-4, the time is not now.

        • Chris says:

          In MacKinnon’s case, even he wasn’t the #1A centre. He played sheltered minutes behind Stastny and Duchene, but took advantage of the injury to Duchene in the playoffs.

          The pressure on MacKinnon for a rebuilding Colorado team vs. the pressure on Galchenyuk on a playoff contending Montreal team in a media-mad market is also night and day. I think the team is trying to manage expectations for Galchenyuk: if they put him at centre and he struggles, the pressure on him will be insane. So let him come along out of the limelight that is the centre position and continue to focus on improving his play in all three zones. When the time is right, either due to injury or trade, he will get his chance. But I think the Habs have absolutely taken the right approach with him.

          • CJ says:

            I agree with you that overripe is better than under developed. This is one of the key reasons why I think we are still a year away from seriously contending. This, IMO, is still a year of transition. But, I see the near future – next season, as being very bright. I just don’t think we can win with DD and Pleks as our 1 and 2. Of course, anything can happen. Lots of moving parts on a team and the prospect of change is forever present. Maybe we are closer than I think. Maybe not. I can’t wait to find out!

    • GrimJim says:

      Look at it from the organization’s side: (a) MTL has depth at center but not on LW. Mgmt would be derelict in its duties to create a bigger hole at one position by adding redundancy at another; (b) the best time to start the shift would be when the games don’t matter – preseason. Then if there’s a problem you can move him back to LW; address the issue and then try again (c) if a player has an identified weakness, and you want to move him to a position where that area of weakness is even more prominant, you are setting the player up for failure. (d) if you are going to make the switch and it doesn’t work, you had better be sure that Chuckie has the maturity and confidence to be able to handle the setback (e) He’s 21, what’s the rush? His physical peak likely won’t occur until he’s 25-30. Only 21 players out of 211 in his draft year have played in the NHL and no one has played more games or scored more points. Does he not have a lot of time to grow his game?

  19. habs_54321 says:

    its too bad todd bertuzzi isn;t 4/5 years younger would be a good addition on the RW.

  20. Chris says:

    Until they lose, Germany, Argentina and Brazil are always the favourites in their matches, as France has now found out.

    Colombia is playing pretty much as well as they can. That may be enough for them to beat a Brazil team playing well below their potential. If Brazil wakes up, they are the better team. Personally, I would replace Oscar with Willian and Fred with Jo. Get more speed out there, and Oscar and Fred have not played well throughout the tournament.

  21. habstrinifan says:

    Whom would you rather have back Camallieri or Staubitz. Both did their job.

    Your answer may indicate our more pressing need … an enforcer or a scorer.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

    • Mark C says:

      What is neither?

      • habstrinifan says:

        The proper perspective… which is what seems to be Marc Bergevin’s. I am just trying to quiet the ‘enforcer’ crowd.

        “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

        https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

        • Mark C says:

          Good luck with that.

          Goon talk is a yearly summer pastime of HIO.

        • marvin20 says:

          Funny you would use that as an example. Why would you not say camalleri or a big tough player with equal skill. this debate continues to go in a circle, I think most of this “enforcer crowd” would be more happy with team toughness rather than a ‘enforcer’. I don’t think Montreal has enough team toughness of front. To answer your question I would rather have Camallieri but with a big tough winger that can play to provide some insulation. When the season starts if this is in fact a weakness it will be obvious in the first 20 games. Don’t get me wrong I’m not a fan of a ‘goon’ but a tough forward who can play. Unfortunately teams don’t give those guys away.

    • Maksimir says:

      neither

    • Steven says:

      Assuming he brings it and doesn’t play like he did in his last season with us, Cammalleri.

      What the team really needs is improved 5v5 scoring, not a 4 minute good who won’t skate most nights.

  22. howiemorenz7 says:

    Why are we talking fighting? Did Parros win us a single point this year? I can’t remember the last goon team I saw in the playoffs, maybe the 2013 Senators? Even the Laffs have abandoned the “truculence” crap.

    Speaking of big dudes, what’s the deal with McCarron? We need a RW. I know he wasn’t productive in London, but did he “develop”?

    Maroons Suck. #7 foreva.

    • Chris says:

      McCarron improved quite a bit in the second half. My only concern was that his improvement came upon being moved to centre (a role he has no chance of playing in the NHL) and partnered with an elite overage scorer in Gemel Smith and a strong 19 year old scorer (Brett Welychka).

  23. Cal says:

    Federer too much for Raonic to handle at breezy Wimbledon today.
    Bouchard tomorrow morning at 8AM EDT.
    I have to say that watching these two throughout the tournament has been a lot of fun.I’ve waited a long time to see a Canadian have a shot at a Grand Slam title.
    Go Genie Go!
    Now, back to your regular Habs programming.
    Gimme a fighter that can play and is a heavyweight. That is all.

    • mrhabby says:

      the master against an up and comer. Raonics game has improved since last year but Roger is just the best. Sliced and diced Raonic.

      • Captain aHab says:

        Raonic doesn’t strike me as having the killer instinct that Bouchard does. He’ll need to get it.

        —————-
        Prepare to be boarded!!

        • habstrinifan says:

          Dont rush to judge (although I kinda see your perspective). Federer is Feder… even at an advanced age.

          “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

          https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

          • Captain aHab says:

            Raonic looks like a good guy…I’ll betcha deep down inside he’s happy for Federer.

            Bouchard apparently has quite the temper and HATES to lose. She has galactically improved her game since last year and she was already good. She’s also much much fitter this year.

            —————-
            Prepare to be boarded!!

        • Chris says:

          I don’t think it is his killer instinct quite as much as his fitness level. Djokovic, Federer, Nadal and Murray are all ridiculously good defensive players that can also punish your with their offence.

          Raonic has his blistering serve, and he has improved his movement quite a bit in the last year. But his biggest weakness remains the fact that he just can’t defend like the rest of the players, making him more likely to make forced errors. He’s also very vulnerable against Nadal and Murray who are both elite returners, somewhat nullifying his serving weapon (much in the same way that Agassi gave Sampras fits).

          • mrhabby says:

            he needs to improve his net game too but still time .

          • Captain aHab says:

            I think you need to have a killer instinct to want to train more and become fitter. Bouchard clearly stated she finds weight training hard but she recognizes it’s a challenge and loves a challenge. She had a little bit of a belly last year but it is gone this year. Once read her say she loves junk food…my guess is that she’s off that stuff now.

            I’d be curious to see Raonic train.

            —————-
            Prepare to be boarded!!

          • Chris says:

            aHab: Raonic is an incredibly hard worker. Not taking anything away from Bouchard, but the top of the women’s game is a much easier goal to achieve than top of the men’s game at the moment.

            All the top women have serious flaws:
            Serena’s arrogance makes her overlook other players, and she skips so many tournaments that she doesn’t dominate the rankings.
            Radwanska is a solid player, but she just doesn’t have the chops to beat the best of the best.
            Sharapova has her terrible serve.
            Azarenka is battling back from a long injury layoff, but she looks to be the female equivalent to Djokovic. Too bad her shrieking is unbearable, because she is otherwise a fun player to watch.
            Errani is mobile, but she lacks power.
            Halep lacks power, but she plays a strong all-around game.
            Kvitova, like Azarenka, has all the tools, but she is very inconsistent.

            Now you look at the men. Nadal is tough to beat, but he can become vulnerable due to his injuries. Federer, even in the twilight of his career, still moves exceptionally well and has an arsenal of shots to beat you with. Murray and Djokovic are both brilliant defensive players that force you to work your tail off to get a point. Djokovic is the better player because his offence is also elite, while Murray is just a step below Nadal, Federer and Djokovic in that department.

            That is the difference between the big hill that Bouchard has to climb to get to #1 and win Grand Slams and the mountain that Raonic must climb. Bouchard only needs to wait out Serena Williams’ decline due to age, while Raonic has to somehow knock off both Djokovic and Murray in their prime, while still having to get past the tough outs presented by Nadal (just past his prime) and Federer (well past his prime, but still dangerous), two of the greatest players in the history of the sport.

  24. habstrinifan says:

    France wont score:

    a) they are being too tricky and so every pass is made and received under duress.

    b) They gotta open up the German box by directing their attack closer to the outer edge of the 18 yrd box rather than trying to score from inside the 6yrd box.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  25. NightRyder says:

    Habs need an elite scorer or a true No. 1 centre more than a goon.
    We haven’t had a 40-goal scorer in a generation. Anyone who thinks Desharnaisy is a No. 1 centre is off his/her rocker.
    Another year of Galchenyuk on the wing is a waste. He needs to start learning the nuances of playing the position at this level immediately.
    The size and grit MB has been stockpiling will pay dividends down the road, provided they can play as well. Targeting Evander Kane would immediately solve two problems – goal-scoring and additional physical play. I’d gladly move Plekanec, Eller or Desharnaisy as part of any package.
    If you want a thug in the system, give Steve MacInytyre $125K to vacation in Hamilton and come up for a few games a year. First game against the Rangers, to annihilate Chris Kreider; and first game against the Bruins, to shake hands properly with Lucic.

    • JohnInTruro says:

      Expect Patches to get 40 this year, we do have a 40 goal scorer he plays on our top line.

      • NightRyder says:

        You’re not a 40-goal scorer until you’ve actually done it.
        When your team’s leading scorer has 60 points, that’s a situation that needs to be upgraded.

        • Mark C says:

          That’s some technicality. I’d prefer 39 in 73 games to 40 in 82 games.

          • NightRyder says:

            And you still wouldn’t have a 40-goal scorer. And you’d be without a top player for nine games.

          • Mark C says:

            If that’s how you feel about it then a “40-goal scorer” is a fairly meaningless platitude. Fine he isn’t a 40-goal scorer, just a 39-goal scorer who missed about 10% of the season, without a number one centre as you point out. Pretty damn impressive.

          • NightRyder says:

            The point was that we need an elite scorer and a true No. 1 centre more than a goon, which has been the topic of conversation for days.
            That would be IN ADDITION to Pacioretty, who’s terrific.
            But still hasn’t scored 40 goals…

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Devils Advocate.

      Number one centre is a relative term, and we must clearly define what number 1 center entails. When I hear number one center, I’m thinking the top point producing center on the team used in offensive situations.

      And, If every team has a number one center then that means there are 30 number one centers in the league.

      Desharnais is probably a better point producing center than anyone we have on the team right now. Although, Plekanec is not far behind (and Plekanec is certainly the better player). And Galchenyuk has the potential to be better, but he has not shown it yet. Thus, on the Montreal Canadiens he is probably the number one center.

      But is he a number one center relative to all the other teams? He finished tied for 31st in points by a center with Craig Smith (Who?), so it looks like he would be the worst number one center in the league. But, if we fudge the numbers and eliminate DD’s awful start to the season, he sits at a .85 ppg, which would put him at 14th in the league.

      All in all, is he a number one center? Probably… but probably one of the weaker ones in the league. Are there better centers than him. Absolutely. Is he going to lead the team? He can help, but he’s basically an ok point producing center who has decent chemistry with our best scorer. We have four Centers who can play on the top two lines: DD, Pleks, Eller, Galchenyuk. Pleks is used as a shutdown center (and he’s terrific), Eller i think may have hit his ceiling, and Galchenyuk is on the rise. Let’s hope Galchenyuk can knock DD out of the top Center spot this year, and we can maybe move DD for an asset we need.

  26. habsfan0 says:

    “Wimbledon Greater Than Stanley Cup”: Eugenie Bouchard
    First misstep for Eugenie.
    A Montrealer saying Wimbledon is greater than the Stanley Cup is not only somewhat self-serving,but borders on the sacreligous.

  27. Say Ash says:

    Historical day in sports: Joey “Jaws” Chestnut won his eight straight title after scarfing down 61 hotdogs in 10 minutes at the annual Nathan’s Hot Dog eating championship.

  28. SC-1993 says:

    I look at it this way. No Goons or fighters on any team, than you’ll see players earn their money with hard work and skill. Toughness, I don’t mind. If you cant take a good clean hard body check, than you shouldn’t be in the NHL. Toughness, Speed and Skill that’s how a team should be built…

  29. HardHabits says:

    To goon or not to goon…

    Detroit had 9 major penalties in 2013-2014, best in the league. People say Detroit is a model to emulate. There you have it.

    The five worse teams in order were…

    TORONTO
    PHILADELPHIA
    BOSTON
    VANCOUVER
    MONTREAL

    Who do we want the Habs to be like? The top 3 are our most hated rivals. Are the bulk of their fights against the Habs?

    White is gone. Prust and Moen might be next and in order to remain on the team they will have to prove their hockey mettle because their fighting skills are not enough to justify a spot on the roster.

    I want to see the Habs be disciplined and amongst the least penalized teams. I want to see the Habs be tough enough to not need to fight.

    I also want to see the NHL adopt the IIHF rules vis-a-vis fighting and head shots.

    That would spell the end to the goon/enforcer. And the debate over whether or not a team should or should not have any.

    • dr. schmutzdeker says:

      Yah-but…in order to fall into the lesser penalized group, ideally it would be best to emulate the 70′s Habs rather than have a team like the Gainey/Goathier Habs who were virtually defenseless…and to acquire the personnel to model your team after the 70′s habs would be uber difficult to do. (mind you, I think MB is doing good job setting the team up for that future possibility)…the name of the game would best be deterrence with a well rounded roster (as opposed to vulnerability/weakness).

      • HardHabits says:

        I am totally in accord with what you said.

        I’ve been following the Habs since 1973. I remember cheering for the Bruins of all teams in 1974 just because I hated the Flyers that much. I stopped watching the Summit Series after Clarke slashed Kharlamov and hated him ever since for blemishing Canada. I have always hated goon hockey and loathed the Broadstreet Bullies. I watched as they and the Sabres skated around the ice to circulate the fog in 1975. I was patient with my Habs. 2 years out of the SCF’s back then was an eternity. Then came 1976 and Larry Robinson took out Dave Schultz. It was the most significant event of the Finals and immediately turned the tide in favour of the Habs. The Flyers sulked through the rest of the series, save for Reggie Leach who deserved his Conn Smythe Trophy.

        That being said, Robinson was no goon. He was an all-star. I love all-stars who can fight. What I hate are goons who can’t play hockey.

        Gainey/Gauthier were the anti-thesis of team toughness. Gainey couldn’t fight for his life during his career and Gauthier is an emaciated vegan. Bergevin knows better than to try to mollify the opponent. Hockey is a robust game, full of speed and skill, but that robustness is not going away.

        Team toughness is what it is all about. Bergevin understands this.

        • PeterD says:

          Agree…Emulate the Habs of the ’70′s…no better team inthe history of hockey.

        • Omit says:

          HH

          Nobody played a more robust game back in the day than Bob Gainey.

          “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

          • HardHabits says:

            I think Gainey had size and used it effectively but he rarely if ever delivered a bone crushing check.

            Gainey’s game was more mental than physical. Gainey was a chess player on the ice. A GrandMaster, as his Selke’s attest.

          • Omit says:

            HH

            Back in those times, they weren’t always trying to kill each other like today. It was more about puck separation from the opponent and not taking yourself out of the play while doing it.

            But as myron.selby says, Gainey could hit with the best of them.

            “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

        • myron.selby says:

          Most of what you say I agree with. But say what you will about Bob Gainey as a GM, you would be hard pressed to find a tougher player than Bob Gainey. No he didn’t fight, but he hit as hard as anyone during his era. Not only did he hit, but it was almost always clean. He was as hard nosed a player as you could find.

          I was sitting in the first row along the glass just outside the goal line in a game in Edmonton when the Habs played here. Gainey took Randy Gregg (who was huge) into the boards so hard I thought they were going to wind up in my lap. And I swear to God, there was snow from Gregg’s skate on the glass above my head (and I’m 6′).

          Another game I remember Craig Muni trying to take out Gainey’s knee (he was infamous for destroying knees and careers with that leg drag thing). Well Gainey saw what he was doing at the last second and managed to turn it around (by somehow locking his knee or something) so that Muni was the one who wound up limping off the ice.

          • HardHabits says:

            Gainey could hit hard but as stated those occasions were rare. His game was more tactical and because he was strong as f*ck he could do it. He was a gentleman through and through in a league full of thugs.

  30. DipsyDoodler says:

    Patrick Sharp is excellent, but he turns 33 this year. There are very few hockey players who do not decline at this age.

    I would not give away a young inexpensive player like Tinordi.
    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  31. L Elle says:

    The great debate over Enforcer/goon. To be or not to be?

    I really don’t think it matters what we all think. I can live without them, but, what do the players think? That’s where the answer lies.

    I remember when Staubitz was acquired. The team seemed happier. They played with an extra jump and confidence.

    Yes, it is true that our team cannot be called smurfs any longer. Thank goodness.

    If a team can protect it’s own without a 4 minute guy, and are already intimidating with their size and team toughness, so be it.

    • habs_54321 says:

      goon has his role he will lighten the pressure on guys like prust and moen to fight every night and reduce the risk of having a more valuable player being forced to defend his honor which potentially can result in injuries, that being said we dont need a monster like john scott guys like brookbank, obrien, rupp, tootoo, asham, (white?) are all capable of doing more than just fight having one guy around that can play and drop em if needed wouldn’t hurt

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      When Staubitz was acquired we finished last in the conference.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

      • L Elle says:

        The damage was already done by that time. Are you saying that dismal year was all on Staubitz?

        But, that really wasn’t my point. The players seem to like their goons better than some of us do.

        • marvin20 says:

          don’t bother some people simply don’t get it. When the season starts we will see what happens. I think a lot of us already know what s going to happen, because we have been down this road to many times.

    • Just a Habs Fan says:

      That’s the best post of all…it doeesn’t matter what this forum thinks…..however I advise all against letting facts get in the way of your thoughts. I mean the players on a team for sure wouldn’t like the idea of having George Parros type helping to cut down ever so little on cheap shots. They all say they feel better with someone to cover them out there. Probably Gallager was only joking when asked what he thought og GP being on the team….go look it up why don’t you. This sure is an interesting site…..hockey of the future…no fighting…no hard pucks…..no checking….just skating around enjoying the fun of it all…making millions of dollars…boring games…don’t matter there are no fights now.

      • HardHabits says:

        Typical logical fallacy. No checking and soft pucks. Really? Who said that beside you?

        George Parros played a total of 100:06 minutes in 22 games last season. His on ice average was 4:33, lowest on the team. The only people who played less hockey than him were Louis Leblanc, Mike Blunden, Patrick Holland and Christian Thomas and they all had more ice time per game. Parros’ contribution to the Habs was nil, or worse. He added nothing, nada, zilch. He had 1 assist. He was meaningless.

        As for your suggestion that he helped the team with some kind of magical potion who by sheer presence put a force field around the players, I hate to break it to you kiddo but there is no such a thing. The reality is Parros stopped 0 cheap shots.

  32. habs_54321 says:

    for those insisting we need an enforcer i wouldn’t mind picking up sheldon brookbank can play some decent defence on the bottom pairings and is a right shot and can take/throw a punch hes no heavyweight but i think he can fill a role with the team or at least add depth

  33. DipsyDoodler says:

    Germany score.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  34. HABSGUARDIANANGEL says:

    Its time to trade eller this season. Package him with a bottom 6 forward and a draft pick. Get either another winger or top D man. Either way galchenyuk time is now. DD the other center and move pleks to a chezking role on the third line.

    I think if this team wants to win the cup they still need to get one more big time defensemen and a winger to balance out the scoring lines.

  35. DipsyDoodler says:

    Good game so far. both teams very positive.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

  36. UKRAINIANhab says:

    When’s subban signed?

    When’s Eller signed?

    Geez, here I thought I would be home for the soccer game yet I am stuck behind the slowest golfers ever. I’m sure CJ and the golfing crew understands my frustration :).

    Anyways, Anybody think Eller will go to arbitration? I’m interested to see what he gets. 4 years at 3.5? Subban will be 8×8.

    • shiram says:

      Can’t you just ask the other golfers ahead if you can play through?

    • CJ says:

      Yes, I can appreciate that. Nothing worse then slow players. Fortunately, that’s the biggest benefit of golfing at a private club. I have not had a round exceed 4 hours and 10 minutes this year. In fact, 4 hours and 10 minutes is very slow. Generally we play in 3:45-3:55. The quickest round I played (as a group of three), was 2 hours and 25 minutes. The transition between greens and tees are not significant, but the course does play longer then the posted yardage which is just under 7,000 yards.

  37. Bogie Man says:

    What asset would you give up for Patrick Sharpe? Hmmm I think I would go deep and say that there is not much I would not give up for a consistent 30+ goal scorer with character. The only assets I see untoucable in this case would be Subban and Price. Bourque, Tinordi, Beaulieau, Pleks, DD, even Pax would all be on the table for this guy. I know it is a pipe dream but reading alot on twitter about the Habs team’s interest in Sharpe.

  38. Luke says:

    About to get the bike out and go down to the pub for the fra – ger game, and then the slow ride back up the beach to home. Should take all day!

    Happy 4th to our American members, and to the rest as well.

    Enjoy the day, folks!

  39. HabinBurlington says:

    Had no idea this famous speech was done on July 4th. When I found out back in 1991 that my dad had ALS, i started reading everything i could find on Lou Gehrig (managed to not notice the date of this speech though) and he became a hero of mine. To me one of the great moments in sports history when I listen to the tape.

    http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseball/24607706/happy-75th-anniversary-lou-gehrigs-luckiest-man-speech

  40. HardHabits says:

    The answer is simple and the IIHF is light years ahead of the NHL:

    ===========================

    Fighting

    IIHF
    A 5 minute major for roughing plus an Automatic Game Misconduct or a Match penalty

    NHL
    A 5 minute major penalty but player remains in the game

    ===========================

    Checking to the Head

    IIHF
    A minor penalty plus a 10 minute Misconduct, or a 5 minute major plus an automatic Game Misconduct or a Match penalty

    NHL
    No such rule

    ===========================

    The NHL, if serious about stopping fighting and reducing the number of concussions should follow the IIHF’s lead and implement these two rules as they are in the IIHF.

    • shiram says:

      Makes one wonder, why can’t it be so simple?

      • mksness says:

        it is simple but the nhl has made it their stance to blame the victim.

        i still think fighting is stupid and doesn’t belong in the game. i don’t want to hear “but it’s hockey culture” either. doesn’t make it right

        head hits don’t belong in the game period nor does head hunting. it’s easy to fix but for some reason the nhl is worried about suspending someone for too long rather than being worried about a law suit from concussion victims….

        fyi montreal should be ashamed on how they handled a concussion like issue in the playoffs. didn’t even go to the quiet room for 5 minutes….

        • shiram says:

          I think the NHLPA has it’s fair share of blame as well, they are not pushing to remove those either.

        • franco says:

          Head hits will always be in the game, unless you eliminate hitting.

          A shoulder hit can turn into a head hit in a blink of an eye.

          A guy turns into the hit, brings his head up….head hit.

          NHL is dealing with head hits by sending players to the quiet room.

          Head hits are the hardest to police because of speed, size of players, and hitting being allowed.

          Eliminate hitting = eliminating head shots almost.

          NHL is trying to control head injuries without destroying the good parts of the game….the tough, rough play.

    • shlamiel says:

      Go to Faceoff.com for the latest news

    • frontenac1 says:

      A simpler solution if you don’t like scraps is to go for a pint or the washroom when a fight happens.

    • Luke says:

      Even the OHL has better rules, but not as strict as the iihf

  41. BriPro says:

    Can I vent? Please allow me the luxury of expressing my frustration on a completely unrelated matter.

    Who has heard of Canada’s Anti-Spam law, Bill C-28?
    It was promoted as a bill to fight Internet and wireless spam. It claims that it was implemented to deter “the most damaging and deceptive forms of spam….”

    That’s fine, I understand the purpose. The problem is that it is very counter-productive for small business (such as mine) which needs mass-industrial mailings via emails and the net in order to survive. This doesn’t go far enough.

    The Harper Gov’t needs to do their homework to ratify and properly format this law in order not to alienate small business. I don’t know what the solution is, but there’s no way that I will get the OK from over 3,800 worldwide industrial recipients to agree to keep receiving our monthly promotions.

    Sorry, just venting. Besides, it looks like, Wimbledon aside, it’s going to be a slow day.

    • HardHabits says:

      In order to email people, they need to subscribe and have an opt out option. Those are the rules. You’ll need to play by them.

      The other option is to find other methods of attracting customers and/or generating sales.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Sounds like you solved Bri’s issues! :)

      • frontenac1 says:

        Or just kick Harper and his Gang to the curb next year.

      • BriPro says:

        Geez HH. Thanks for waking me up. Why didn’t I think of that?

      • adesbarats says:

        I think its quite likely BriPro already got those subscribers via an opt in process. That is a requirement under international anti-spam regs. His beef is that he now has to get them to all opt in AGAIN. This costs money, time and irritates customers because, no doubt, their in boxes are already being flooded by every other honest company that is trying to follow the new rules. He will lose many subs because of dishonest spammers who don’t follow the rules. I feel for you Bipro but not a lot you can do other than “grin and bear it”

    • mksness says:

      well the truth is it doesn’t prevent the real spammers who set up shop in different countries on servers in the deep web to spam.

      however you do need direct consent(via an optin check box which must be clicked) to contact your users moving forward. i deal with this with tons of very big clients and it’s creating a bit mess because some clients are losing tons of their list since they have implied consent and not direct consent. the whole law is very grey anyways. if u need some help with it let me know

    • Omit says:

      BriPro

      It’s not as bad as you think. Go to this site for explanantions.

      https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ecic-ceac.nsf/eng/h_gv00567.html

      “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

    • SmartDog says:

      It’s a question whether it will do what it says it will do. Certainly the most deceptive and damaging spam does not come from Canadian small businesses. It comes from hackers taking over servers and spammers building and reselling huge lists – lists that we are all on.

      But tightening the law is a good idea if other countries follow suit because setting a higher standard allows them to be more aggressive against real spammers. Still… I get your point, and I have clients who are frustrated too.

      Use SEO to build customers. It’s powerful and inexpensive (if done by an expert). And if you need some help, let me know. :) It’s what I do.

      ————————————-
      Listen to the Smart Dog. He knows his poop!

  42. 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

    I can’t pretend that the “enforcer” proponents will ever change their tune, but by the same token, I won’t ever stop stating my version of the obvious truth either.

    1) Penalties for fighting with visors
    2) Penalties for taking off your helmet
    3) Concussions to Moen, Parros etc
    4) Fighting restrictions in junior
    5) Advanced stats favoured around the league … (not punching btw)
    6) Your “loathed” instigator penalty not going away
    7) Even the Bruins and Leafs are shedding their “face punchers”

    Forget the Brian Burke Sideshow “step right up and try your best to last three minutes with one of our mustachioed men of mayhem – win a prize for the little lady” the enforcer in the east is on the endangered species list.

    I can never understand how having one enforcer means that the other team won’t “bother” your little fawns – if you don’t dress one does that mean the other team is dastardly if they do … does that mean they are allowed to punch at will because you didn’t bring a face puncher to the party?

    Or having three … if you get a cheap shot from the other team by a non face puncher do you send your face puncher to the meet the other face puncher like two pawns in a chess game? Does that stop the Marchands of this world?

    There has been a pretty strong argument posted here that the Habs are drafting to fill a long term vision of tougher players that can play but handle themselves when the need occaisionally (repeat occaisionally, not scheduled) arises.

    Until that time, the roster that is currently constructed can handle themselves well enough – example is Chicago.

    “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

    • Omit says:

      2 mins

      Excellent post that should convince people. If they can think logically.

      “Time wounds all heels”. – J.L.

    • frontenac1 says:

      Bruins let Thornton walk because he was done as heavyweight. John Scott ko”d him and finished him. I was surprised that Fla. Signed him for 2 years with a hefty raise. Hawks have Brookbank,Bolig and Beach for the rough stuff. Leafs,well they are The Laffs

    • eric says:

      If you don’t like it , don’t watch.Stop wining, it’s becoming old 2 mins

    • franco says:

      Is it agree that hockey is a game of strategy.

      If that is in agreement I will continue:

      Team ‘A’ is playing team ‘B’, both teams wish to win.

      Team ‘A’ says they have to stop this player and that player, as they are their best players, and perhaps get under the goalies skin by crowding him etc.

      Team ‘B’ is aware that is best scorers will be checked hard and the goaltender will be under fire, tells his team to guard against this by not letting it happen.

      So a hard hitting line is put against the speedsters, the speedsters being smaller are rendered a non factor.

      So strategies are devised to nuetralize this, how, do not let said team get to your goaltender, but alas most of your players are smaller so you cannot combat this.

      Your team loses and other teams pick up on it and that becomes their strategy because they want to win as well.

      So now ‘B’ team realizes they must get bigger to be effective talent is wonderful and if you have a lot, it is not a problem because you will kill them on power plays, however if at this point you do not have an all star team you must get bigger to eliminate that strategy.

    • marvin20 says:

      Its more about building team toughness, we will see when the season starts if Montreal has enough team toughness. If this is indeed a weakness it will be exploited very soon.

  43. PK says:

    Folks, nothing to see here … Giroux just got a little behind in his work, off ice training if you will:

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/claude-giroux-philadelphia-flyers-captain-explains-arrest-1.2695782

    >>>> Les Canadiens sont là
    _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

    “Une équipe de hockey sur glace de l’île de Mont-Royal va gagner la Coupe de Lord Stanley à 24 reprises dans le 20e siècle et trois fois au cours du 21e siècle.”

    – Nostradamus, 1552

  44. southaltahab says:

    I just watched the video of Parenteau taking a tour of Brossard. It seems like a pretty cool place to go to work everyday. I’ve decided that’s where I want to be. Do you think there’s any chance the Canadiens need 47 year old goalie who hasn’t played in 10 years? I’ll send them a letter and cross my fingers.

  45. HabinBurlington says:

    Question for Dipsy if you are still around, the referee Nestor Pitana from Argentina, he is handling Ger/Fra today, good ref?

    • BriPro says:

      I don’t know about the rest of the tournament, but he officiated the U.S. against Portugal in the preliminaries, and he officiated a very good 2-2 game. But that was the only one I saw him in.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      No idea. But if FIFA thinks he’s OK that’s good enough for me ;-)

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

  46. BriPro says:

    Bad news in soccer (football) for Germany.
    Apparently, 9 actives have come down with the flue bug.
    That might hinder their chances. It certainly changes the odds.

    And what are the odds on Columbia beating a Brazilian team that hasn’t lost an international competition game at home in
    (ready for this?) 36 years….. Incredible.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      They built a 40 million dollar camp in Brazil just for the World Cup (later becomes a resort), all with their own food etc…. and yet they get ill like this? Why are they drinking the water straight out of the river I ask?

      I’m hoping this is just tactics, or being overblown. Would be crappy (literally) way to lose out.

      • BriPro says:

        You would think with $40MM, they’d have their own water ionizer.
        This is the second report I’ve heard.
        They reported the same last night on the local CTV news.

      • SmartDog says:

        I wonder if that 40 million included “special” water supplies for different countries. :)

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  47. third generation haber says:

    Regarding enforcers, I do believe we’ll need one in the line-up on the odd night. Kevin Westgarth (6-4/234), aged 30, plays both wings, is un-signed by the Flames.

    Can anyone tell me anything about this guy, besides the obvious?

    Should we consider him as our potential enforcer?

    j.p. murray

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Very bright guy off of the ice, Princeton is where he went to school, was instrumental with the PA during lockout. Have heard from others here that he no longer is on the positive side of most scraps, but I would consider him as a possible solution to having an enforcer. He would need to be comfortable knowing he probably only dresses for 30 games in the reg. season and never sees a game in the playoffs.

      • third generation haber says:

        Cheers for that! He certainly has the size to intimidate the other team, but can he skate well enough to handle some fourth line duties?

        j.p. murray

    • CJ says:

      I hate to speak in such deragatory terms, but Westgarth is a speedbag. Often, when looking at players who fight, it’s not so much the age as it the number of concussions. Westgarth, like Parros, suffered two concussions last season, one the result of a knock out at the hands of Luke Gadzic.

      In summary, no, he could not help us out whatsoever. We need a young guy, with good speed, who can get in on the forecheck, work the body with clean, disciplined hits, who can help be a good teammate by fighting when needed, but also who can play the game (second unit PK). Moen is one punch away from retirement. Prust just can’t say no. Weise doesn’t like to fight. Tinordi needs to develop his skills and focus on hockey.

      We don’t need a John Scott, Colton Orr, Matt Kassian – we need a 13th forward at a reasonable salary who can also play the game of hockey. I was hoping for Tanner Glass, but he signed for 3 years at approximately $1.5 million annually. We can find better value, and younger legs. I am targeting Anthony Peluso in Winnipeg. He is signed for the league minimum and has one year remaining before becoming an RFA. The 13th forward might play 40-60 games. I would rather Peluso be this guy, then see Travis Moen scratched and watch as $1.85 million sits in the press box.

      Just my two cents…..

      • HabinBurlington says:

        So why do you think the Jets are anxious to dump Peluso? Agree with what you want out of this role player, but to find the ones that do all the things you are talking about (Bickell, Clifford, etc..) it will be expensive.

        Peluso would be cheaper than my examples, but I don’t want to start handing out a 3rd or 4th round pick for this player. We need temps. at this position until Crisp, McCarron etc… are ready, Tinordi is a year or two away from being at his eventual longterm playing weight and will help.

        I keep hearing you and Front talk about Peluso and Rosehill, but that will cost us. And if these guys are so good at this role, Philly and Wpg don’t just hand them to us.

        • CJ says:

          My proposal would see Travis Moen going to the Jets for Anthony Peluso. In Moen the Jets get a character guy who can help to improve the culture within their organization. Moen could help to kill penalties and provide guidance on a team that is struggling to find an identity. In return Montreal gets cap relief and a young lion, not yet refined in his role.

          I speak very favorably about Peluso, but the truth is he is very, very rough. I see a ton of potential, but this is not a key guy and I do believe he is expendable. He was a healthy scratch throughouth the season and is making the league minimum. Rosehill is the better all around player, but he would also cost more. To your point, I would not give up a third or fourth for Peluso or Rosehill. It would be a 5th at best, but ideally a 6th or 7th. Again, the ideal trade is for Moen to help shed salary.

          IMO, I just don’t see where Moen fits going forward. Again, IMO, I see a fourth line of Prust, MM and Bournival/Weise (the other would play on the third line). Moen is going to be our 13th forward.

          • B says:

            I still don’t see Winnipeg doing that trade. For them to take on Moen’s contract we would have to throw in pick(s) and / or prospect(s).

            –Go Habs Go!–

    • huge_polar_bear says:

      I think I would prefer Steve Ott. He can mix it up and can still get 10+ minutes a game without hurting the team. I know he is not the prototypical heavy weight, but that is kind of the point.

      • dr. schmutzdeker says:

        I don’t think Steve Ott would suffice. I remember a game (not too long ago) when he was still with Dallas vs the Habs (in Dallas) where he was running around taking liberties. I also remember our favourite light/middle weight (Ryan White) being the consumate good teamate and taking matters into his own hands and promptly tuning Ott (and putting a stop to his silliness on the spot)…Not to downplay Ryan’s contribution, (as feisty as he is…I’ll miss him) it’s just that he is not a big guy and if he can tune Steve Ott…well…

      • GrosBill says:

        Ott is an in your face, antagonizes you, type of player. He has licked a players visor (sorry, but that was weird). Can be a P&*^$ to play against.

        BUT-he is not a very good fighter

  48. BriPro says:

    Today, my dad (God bless his soul) would be 93.
    Happy Birthday dad and to all of our great southern neighbours and friends,

    HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY! Don’t work too hard.
    And don’t drink and drive! Just drink.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      Happy Birthday Mr. Bripro. I assume he was every bit the gentleman his son is.

      Funny, today I woke up in tears thinking about my sister who would have been 63 today. Not a day goes by that I don’t miss the sweetest, gentle, and most kind person who ever walked the face of this world.

      Maybe Mr.Bripro and Debbie have introduced themselves to each other and sharing a story or two. CHEERS bud.

      • BriPro says:

        With the blessed heart that he had, as an old WWII vet and always willing to help virtually anybody, I’m sure that if your sister’s heart was half as big as her big brother’s, then there’s no question that they’re sharing stories, and probably laughing at both of us.

        Have a wonderful ID Day buddy!

  49. Habanero78 says:

    So I do think we need a heavy weight in the mix, they are an insurance policy just in case.
    Heavy weights are like nuclear weapons, you don’t want to use them, but it helps when the other team knows you have them.

    • JohnBellyful says:

      The thing is, the insurance policy kicks in AFTER the damage has been done.
      As for nuclear – or as I like to call them — knucklear weapons, in hockey terms they have not had any measurable effect on acts of terrorism — head checks, spearing, slashing, hitting from behind, etc.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        My only reason for wanting one is that for games where we know the other team is dressing some Knucklear weapon we dress ours and people like Moen and Prust don’t have to get knocked into the next century. Essentially we need a speedbag to take those punches for the team. It is an awful way of saying it, but until this league eliminates this role, I think it is good to have one.

        Would love to see a rule like players who dress min. 10 games in a season need to have a 8 min. per game avg. in ice time. If they don’t they are ineligible for remainder of season.

        Force teams to play who they dress, and the goon goes the way of the dodo bird.

        • JohnBellyful says:

          Burl, why not dress the goons AND not play them, just like putting all those missiles in silos and letting them sit there for years and never using them. In fact, why not put each team’s goon in a miniature silo beside the backup goalie?
          Or, or, or put him in a glass box with a sign that reads: ‘In case you need a momentum shift and you’re looking for a guy who can’t score but can throw a punch, break open.’

      • third generation haber says:

        With Parros in the line-up, our team was respected more than they have been since I can remember. I know he can’t play hockey, but he had an impact on the zhit heads we faced.

        j.p. murray

        • GrosBill says:

          Wow-he did all that while only playing in 22 games. Impressive.

          • bleedhabs81 says:

            Gosh darn it GrosBill!! Put some more effort into your posts! (that way you don’t beat me to punch ;) )

            or I need to learn to stop typing out a novel…

        • bleedhabs81 says:

          Did he now?

          He played 22 games out of 82… and avg 4 minutes of ice time. What happened in the other 60 games?

          Why did he not play all 82 games (minus those where he was still suffering from the concussion)? Instead of just equalizing the other goons on a few select teams, he could have been gooning up all other teams? TAKE THAT TEAMS WITHOUT GOONS! MWHAHAHA

          Is it because you only need a good to play against a goon? So, by the very nature of their game, they only exist because of each other and when one is not present they become a detriment to their team?

          OR

          is it because our goon was only good at gooning, while the other teams goon might actual be able to play more than 4 minutes of policing, er, hockey I mean?

          Which came first, the Goon or the need for a Goon?

      • marvin20 says:

        This enforcer debate keeps going in cycles. The only reason why many think an enforcer is necessary is because many feel Montreal has not got enough team toughness up front. When the season starts this weakness will be crystal clear, that Montreal needs to insulate their star players.
        Those who think Montreal is tough enough prepare for lots of injuries and cheap shots. don’t get me wrong I think they are on the right track, but are not tough enough yet.

    • third generation haber says:

      Well put; for those who don’t want us to have an enforcer up our sleeves, watch this and think it over carefully:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9SFgPqFMWI

      Bourque got a concussion, Kadri ran around like a rat, Gionta was nearly killed by Orr, and Gorges had to fight McClaren.

      The next hab to leave the ice on a stretcher (Pacioretty, Eller) could be Chucky, Subban, or Price.

      j.p. murray

      • 2mins4lookinsooogood says:

        Don’t play lousy to start the game and don’t build a team for today to play yesterday’s game.

        “Don’t crush that dwarf Alex Henry, hand me the pliers”

  50. John Q Public says:

    Outside the box :
    Mike Keane for ass. coach
    Or maybe a Russian from the KHL.

    • stephen says:

      Hi JQP,

      It would be great to have Keane back in the fold.

      I’ve also always thought Eric Desjardins would make a good assistant/dman/powerplay coach.

      I think he’s out of the hockey world now, but it would be nice to have someone with his pedigree.

    • marvin20 says:

      The guy I would love to see given some consideration as assistant coach is Chris Nilan

  51. Hstands4Hockey says:

    I’ve been absent – can someone update me on the status of PK’s contract negotiations?

    ——————————————————————–
    Rule #76: No Excuses, Play Like a Champion!
    @Hstands4Hockey

  52. Puck Bard says:

    Bouchard, World Cup… Meh…

    All eyes will clearly be on the Ontario government throne speech at 2PM.

  53. Puck Bard says:

    Thanks all for the 4th well wishes. I’m Trenton born, Montreal bred, Maritime raised, and Toronto educated. I’ll toast one to Les Boys today down here in NC.

  54. AH says:

    How about Eugenie Bouchard?

    Talent, skill, drive, competitiveness, personality, well spoken and wants to succeed!

    On top of all that, GOOD LOOKS!

    When she breaks through and starts winning, (hopefully tomorrow), she is going to be a Marketer’s dream!

    • Strummer says:

      Total package.
      A marketing dream

      ____________________________________________________
      “You are not T.J. Oshie. Do not shoot pucks at people without a helmet.”.

    • JUST ME says:

      Can`t remember someone who really illustrate the saying the sky is the limit like Genie. This girl has it all and is reaching new heights and canadians from one ocean to the other are amazed.

      Hat`s off to Milos also cause what he is doing is even more difficult. Reaching the top 10 or so is an amazing road but staying there is the real challenge.

    • Phil C says:

      Can she play RW?

  55. Paz says:

    Habs have hit it out of the park with their 4th line strategy.

    In the middle, you need a good face off man, a good defensive player, and Malhotra could be perfect there.
    On the road or against a quick change on the he fly, this keeps your 4th line on the ice and effective.
    On the wings, you need big time speed. The Bournival’s, the Weises’ are perfect. Forechecking and backchecking pressure all over the ice.

    Then, when the other team throws on their 4th line goons, they are completely dominated by our speed, we spend the entire shift pressuring them, and there is no one on the ice from our side who they can fight!!

    It is a terrific strategy, and Toronto, Boston, and others are scrambling to catch up to us.

    • 24 Cups says:

      I would also include Moen as part of the 4th line seeing that Prust is hurt so much. Moen can play both flanks and is a good penalty killer.

      Speaking of the PK, that is another huge bonus of this line as well as Malhorta’s face-off skills.

      24 Cups

      • Paz says:

        It depends which Moen we get. His game has not been consistent.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I worry again about his ability to recover from the concussion. A couple years ago he suffered a concussion, and it seemed a full year before he looked good again. That crack he took at the end of the season looked career ending to me, or at least bad enough to remove his effectiveness, thus being career ending. Hate to see that, a quality stand up player who always gave effort. I think his battles with injuries the past 2-3 seasons are taking its toll on him.

      • Loop_Garoo says:

        I really like Travis Moen, but I think his career is winding down, that said, he has in the past had a habit of having a really good year after an off year, so you never know.

  56. DipsyDoodler says:

    OK folks, two Great football games today in this most entertaining world cup.

    France-Germany could go either way. Both teams have serious defensive problems. Both have some creative attackers. In the end I don’t see how France can win this. Their best hope is to go to penalties, but against Germany that’s never a good plan.

    Colombia-Brazil is going to be terrific. I expect all out attacking from both sides. Colombia are a truly beautiful side this year, and could upset Brazil.

    —–
    Moving. Forward.

    • 24 Cups says:

      Sorry DD but the real action this weekend is in the tennis world where two Canadians are flirting with destiny.

      24 Cups

    • JUST ME says:

      Eugenie and Milos by a mile over the world cup. Not even close.

      Can`t even dare dream about it but this is Wimbledon and what if …?

      • JUST ME says:

        Of course we should enjoy both and that is what we are doing but the World cup was a planned event with the usual dramas and joys but what is happening in Wimbledon is so special. Yes could have been predictable but the scenario so far, far exceeds what we could have thought.

    • HabinBurlington says:

      Agree Dipsy, except I think France are the favourites for this match. They have been much more consistent thus far in the tournament, perhaps weaker opposition, but still consistent.

      Germans backline and the refusal of Low to put Lahm back to his natural right back position is infuriating me. I am hopeful he is trying his best pre-game tactics and I see Lahm at right back. Hummels has to be 100% fit for Germany to have a chance.

      Should be a classic game.

      And to the others, yes the Tennis will be great, why can’t people enjoy both, as opposed to saying it is one or the other? Gotta love the need for only one perspective to be acceptable here.

      • Paz says:

        Enjoying both, Burly!

        Germany will win their match. When the chips are down I see them rising to the occasion. France? Not as much.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          I’m completely nervous about todays game. Yesterday at the pub everyone was talking about Bouchard, then at my ballgame everyone was talking about Bouchard and Raonic. It is a great time in Canadian sports history. I don’t know Raonic’s personality as much as Bouchard (obviously through watching interviews etc…) but the class and confidence with which Bouchard carries herself, is absolutely impeccable.

          So happy for her, and glad we all get to watch and cheer along!

      • DipsyDoodler says:

        I expect Kroos, Schweini, Ozil and Muller to run roughshod over France’s midfield.

        And if that doesn’t work, Miroslav “Goal Machine Once Every Four Years” Klose to come on late and win it.
        —–
        Moving. Forward.

        • HabinBurlington says:

          Klose is a weird story eh? Has spent years toiling in pro leagues not being a star yet come World Cup, you just know he can get the goal. Amazing, I do hope he can score a goal and get the record.

          I wish I shared your confidence going into the game. Enjoy them both Dipsy, you are correct in how entertaining the Brazil/Colombia should be. I hope the referee controls both games properly to suit the styles of the teams for good performance.

  57. Storman says:

    Thought this was pretty funny morning headline from town near Wimbledon actual CNN News headline “tennis balls and large Pooh clog British sewers”

  58. kerrgte says:

    Should anyone be able to pop into the development camp, I’m sure most of us would like to hear about Jiri Sekac, in particular.

    $15.151 mill (excluding bonus money) left under the cap to sign Lars and PK. There should be a good stack left over for any obvious gaps to fill as opportunities arise a little later in the year.

    It seems a number of ‘mature’ teams, eg Chicago, Boston, have some cap concerns. Hmmm

    Good luck to Milos today.

  59. SC-1993 says:

    waiting for October to see what we really have for our 1st game and take it from there. there will be a lot of talk till then. don’t know if we improved at the same time we didn’t get weaker. training camp will be the key…

  60. Cal says:

    Happy Independence Day to all our American posters!

  61. Bill J says:

    We often discuss various trade scenarios here, have a look at this video to see how a real trade materializes. :)

    http://t.co/4TRIpsqS0x If you want to see a live trade in the making, here is the making of the James Neal trade

    Oh and happy 4th of July to our Neighbours to the south.

    Go Habs Go!

    • ont fan says:

      Before Poile pulls the trigger he consults with about 7 guys. That’s why you surround yourself with so many hockey minds when you’re a GM. I’m pretty sure every GM, much criticized Gainey included, got as much help when going in the direction they choose when trading.

  62. Ian Cobb says:

    To my friends south of the best country in the world!
    Happy Independence Day friends and neighbours!
    Ian

    Summit game tickets, News, Pictures and comments
    https://www.facebook.com/pages/Montreal-Canadiens-We-Are-Fans-Summit

    • CJ says:

      I was just going to share those same sentiments, so I’ll piggy back Ian. We share the longest uncontested border in the world. Having grown up in the St.Lawrence Seaway and travelled back and forth my entire life I can honestly say that I’ve met friends and have family living on both sides. It’s a beautiful country filled with wonderful people. I wish our American friends the very best. Cheers, CJ

      • Habfan10912 says:

        Waving hello with much respect and love. CHEERS cuz.

      • Paz says:

        Absolutely. We owe so much of our success to the USA. While other countries were budgeting huge sums for defence, we built a great country with our money knowing the USA had our back.
        A warm Happy Independence Day to our American friends!

        • JohnBellyful says:

          True. As infuriating as the U.S. can be, there’s no denying we’re indebted to it in different ways for our many blessings.
          So, Happy Independence Day, neighbour.

  63. CJ says:

    Good morning folks.

    As a kid I loved magic. Truth be told I still do. Slight of hand, coin tricks, card tricks, they all fascinate me. The greatest magic trick might be the maneuvers required by the Boston Bruins to get under the salary cap. Boston might not be the only team forced to pull a rabbit out of their hat. Montreal’s move to swing Gorges for a second, as unpopular as it might have initially been received, is a thing of beauty. The Flyers are now desperately trying to exit Vinny and are reportedly either going to have to eat a portion of the salary and/or sweeten the deal by adding a pick as an incentive.

    If Bergevin could trade Moen for Anthony Peluso, I’d have to think he’s put Montreal on the road to full cap relief. The savings could help the team net a major star later this summer, as teams, much more desperate then ourselves (Chicago, Boston, Philly) look to shed a contract. Oh, and in doing so, we add a younger, bigger, better skating player who just happens to be a better fighter.

    Now that would be magic!

    • GrosBill says:

      Good morning CJ,

      Like how you walked us into that with “as a kid I loved magic”.

      Boston is certainly in cap trouble. Some good RFAs left to sign and a roster to complete. I have several friends from NS who who have discussed with me (more than I would like) Boston’s current cap situation.

      The common move that keeps coming up is move two of either Kelley, Marchand or McQuaid. Or all three. I have heard Boychuck’s name as well, but as far as I am concerned, he may have been their best Dman vs the Habs in the playoffs (Chara was non factor for much of the series).

      The inevitable trades will be tough for the team, but this is where their GM will get to “pull a rabbit out of his hat”. Some smart trades will be huge in this situation.

      My friends are optimistic Peter will make some good (needed) moves. As one said, we don’t have Snow or MacT calling the shots, thank god!

      As a Hab fan, the view from here looks nice!

    • adamkennelly says:

      that would be magic. Habs do need a decent playing “enforcer” type – I’ll never be convinced otherwise – but there are so few on the list.

      by drafting the players we have recently – it says MB values size, toughness and ability to scrap – if that’s the case – do you really play 2014-2015 with no muscle? me thinks not.

  64. habstrinifan says:

    Do you need a notary public to witness an offer sheet or can I just have a guy at the Roti Shop witness it.

    Gonna be hanging out at the Roti Shop near the Subbans… thought I may give MB a hand.

    “Protest Rogers blackout of Habs game…sign at:

    https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/no-habs-blackout-rds.

  65. Cal says:

    With only PK and Eller left to sign, and with only a little over $12mil left on the cap, I am predicting that PK will be happy camper. Eller will command about $7mil over 2 or 3 years, so it’ll be either a $3.5mil hit or a $2.34mil hit.
    I think the Habs are set for the coming season, with maybe a trade on the horizon for any under performing vets.
    So, back to Wimbledon and here’s hoping Raonic pulls off the improbable.

    • kerrgte says:

      Yes, you’re right . Of course, bonus money counts against the cap. capgeek shows $15.151

      But who to cheer for – France or Germany ??

      Such a pleasure to see Raonic and Bouchard, two fine young Canadians move forward.

  66. Mattyleg, Habs not needing an enforcer you say. How about game one next season on the road in Toronto and the Leafs dress a lineup something like this perhaps?

    JVR – Bozak – Kessel
    Komarov – Kadri – Lupul
    Brodie – Santorelli – Clarkson
    McLaren – DeVane – Orr

    • CJ says:

      The Leafs are going to have an excellent chance at the draft lottery.

    • JohnInTruro says:

      Their lineup shouldn’t look like that at all. You’re missing Kontiola, Ashton, Frattin, Holland. I don’t suspect you will see McLaren and/or Devane next year. Toronto’s bottom 6 will boost more skill next year I believe.

      • Chris says:

        Exactly. The Leafs have made it clear that the days of goon-filled 4th lines are over.

        Devane played 2 games last season. McLaren was placed on waivers last season. And Orr cut back his fighting dramatically, only fighting in 4 of his last 35 games.

        Then you have Boston, who dumped Thornton and stated they want more skill on their 4th line. Lucic never fights goons or enforcers, so that argument is beyond silly.

        Tampa Bay does not employ a goon, nor do Detroit or Buffalo. Florida picked up Thornton, but at 36 his fighting will be curtailed considerably.

        But the evidence gets in the way of a good case for an enforcer, so it will be ignored.

      • Leafs still have to signed these RFA’s?

        Ashton
        Holland
        Franson
        Gardiner
        Reimer

        Maybe a 4th line of Holland – Kontiola – Frattin.
        Just thinking of what might happen? Still think Habs need a tough guy just in case? Who knows what Caryle and Shanahan have up their sleeve who to dress for 1st game of next season?

  67. Forum Dog says:

    Watching the video of Parenteau getting the grand tour, at 1:50 he is shown the locker room and told that there are a few empty stalls and they’ll get him a good one. Parenteau points at DD’s nameplate and says “not too far from him”. More Desharnais bro-mance I guess. Max has some competition….

    It’ll be good for the team if Parenteau and Desharnais can find some chemistry. It can add to the threat that Pacioretty poses on the LW, and could even allow them to try Pacioretty with a different centre should they want to.

    • CJ says:

      I loved the video of Parros last year getting the tour. Someone asked him what he thought of his locker assignment beside Whitey. Big George responded, “looks like boardwalk and park place to me.”

    • Chris says:

      The other added bonus is that it gets Gallagher off that line…he was not a good fit. For all the goals they scored, that was one of the few line combinations that actually gave up more goals than they produced.

      • HabinBurlington says:

        Agree completely, DD and Gallagher should not be together. P.A. may not be a legit #1 line winger, but if it works with him and Max and DD, wonderful.

  68. petefleet says:

    I like that MB has forced MT hand on the defence. With the older statemen gone, the younger guys can play and learn. It must be hard knowing that if you make one mistake you will be hauled out the next game and a veteren will be put in. good on MB for giving the three young guys a chance.

    “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
    Henry Ford

    “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
    Abraham Lincoln

    ***Go Habs Go***

    • franco says:

      MB AND MT work together. Need is to make the playoffs, that is the top priority. You play to win, but, rookie mistakes can caused you points.

      It has to made clear that mistakes could cost you ice time, this is nothing new, especially for rookies….so the message is ‘ pay attention to detail’ or sit.

      Winning habits from the beginning are important. The three young guys will be like last year, have to make the team, but, they are a year wiser and should know what is needed…..no freebies.

      • petefleet says:

        Yeah I get that but I think sometimes yuong guys aren’t given the time they need. I think back to the early days of Markov and the mistakes he made on a regular basis but still got enough icetime to improve. I think MT needs to be a little more generous with the rookie ice time.

        “Being on the PP doesn’t make you an offensive threat anymore than standing in a garage makes you a car.”
        Henry Ford

        “You can’t believe everything you read on the internet”.
        Abraham Lincoln

        ***Go Habs Go***

  69. 24 Cups says:

    Teams in the West continue to beef up at centre in an attempt to compete against each other. What about the East? I think any fair assessment has to favour Tampa as the most improved team. Adding Drouin, Boyle, Stralman, Garrison and Nabokov certainly upgrades the line-up.

    24 Cups

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      It will be interesting to see if Drouin makes the team this year.
      Losing Bishop was a huge blow last playoffs.
      They also managed to re-sign their UFA Callahan…and that will end up being a steal of a trade once the Rangers 2nd round pick this year and 1st Round pick next year is factored in.
      The Rangers got fleeced in that one.

      • 24 Cups says:

        The Ranger window has now closed. Boston, Philly and Washington have cap problems. Pittsburgh is still Pittsburgh as they waste precious Crosby years.. Detroit got shutout on July 1st.

        The East is wide open for Tampa and Montreal. The key to next season is simple – Therrien has to once again change his coaching philosophy and turn Galchenyuk and Beaulieu loose.

        24 Cups

        • Maritime Ronn says:

          I wouldn’t count out Boston just yet, but with an aging and slower Chara and the loss of Iginla, they most likely will drop slightly.

          As for the Cap situation, they can still lean on Marc Savard and his LTIR Cap hit of $4M…but yea, they will need to get creative with RFAs Smith-Krug-Bartkowski-Caron.
          The Bruins also missed their #2 Dman Seidenberg last playoffs along with 3rd pair guy McQuaid.

          • Paz says:

            Caron has not developed well.

          • Chris says:

            Caron is on the trade block: the team recognizes that he wants more playing time, but that they might not be able to give it to him.

        • Habitforming says:

          I’m still waiting for MT to turn Subban loose.

        • franco says:

          He will turn them loose when they are ready. Management and Therien will decide that.

    • Chris says:

      I would argue that Florida has the most room to improve, but they also start from a lot further back. Buffalo will be a LOT better this season as well.

      But Tampa are the big winners, especially when you factor in that they should have Stamkos for the full season. On paper, that is the team to beat in the Northeast this season. Boston should fall back to the pack, Montreal looks to be treading water, and Tampa got better.

      • Paz says:

        Drouin’s talent is off the charts. He could easily put up 50 to 60 points.
        He’s like another Patrick Kane.
        Tampa will definitely compete.

        • Chris says:

          Absolutely agree.

          But Florida will be intriguing: so many people noted that they signed guys to play roles they weren’t capable of playing, but I don’t think that is the case at all. Instead, I think they are trying to bring in some veterans that can help their kids.

          When you’ve got Sasha Barkov, Jonathan Huberdeau and Nick Bjugstad, you’ve got one formidable core of top-6 forwards to work with. Jokinen is a nice 2nd line player, and Rocco Grimaldi could very well find his way into the lineup this season. With the size of the guys above, they don’t have to worry about Grimaldi being too small. Bolland, Jokinen,

          I would not at all be surprised to see the Panthers contend for the playoffs this season. With a full season of Luongo and better team defence, they could surprise.

          • Paz says:

            Agree. Dale Tallon has been around the block a few times, haha!

            And, hello Mr.Gallant! Right on time for the beginning of the turnaround?

            I hope so for his sake. Always liked him.

          • 24 Cups says:

            Chris – I didn’t count Florida or Buffalo as I was only talking about teams that could contend for major playoff runs.

            24 Cups

  70. Maritime Ronn says:

    Interesting discussion below about whether or not the Habs need a pure enforcer or a simple goon. (John Scott style)

    From here, the feeling is the day of that stuff and the “Staged Fight” is coming to an end…yet teams still need ‘Defusers’ to calm things down and answer for opponent’s cheap shots on talented hockey players.

    Take the LA Kings as an example.
    Every player that suits up on that team can play the game and is not a detriment on the ice.

    They have 2 guys to cool things down when things start getting out of hand:
    Kyle Clifford and Jordan Nolan.
    Both play from 9-10 minutes per game during the regular season AND the playoffs.

    Nolan had 6 goals as did Prust last year
    Nolan Cap Hit: $700K. Prust: $2.5M

    Clifford had 3 goals last year. Moen had 2
    Clifford Cap Hit:$1.07M. Moen:$1.85M

    The players will tell you it’s good when a mate wins a spontaneous or emotion/pay back fight, yet much more important is actually answering the bell and putting a lid on the cheap shots.

    Thess type of guys very rarely come to market and the reason why GMMB drafted or signed a few as UFAs – McCarron-Crisp-Nevins….they need to be developed from within.

    As of this moment, Prust will need some help.
    Guys like Weise or Tinordi can help a little, yet that should not be their roles.

    • franco says:

      An ‘enforcer’ is just a politer way of saying ‘goon’.

    • GrosBill says:

      More good cap friendly deals in LA.

      That team has managed their cap well and made some good trades.

      A couple days ago I read something interesting. Since 2006, LA has spent the least amount in the league on the July 1 sweepstakes.

      On the flipside, most of the biggest spenders have been in and out of the playoffs, lacked consistency, or have been total busts.

      I would like to see Prust get help as well. But someone who can play fourth line without being a liability and allow MT to still be able to roll four lines. Getting this type of player outside of your organization usually means over payment. Of course, the great hope is to develope a tough guy who can drop them, but play hockey in top 6 or top 4 on D (Chara, Lucic situation). Again, outside of developing within, near impossible to land one by trade or UFA. As much as people say it is Boston’s fault for the arms race, at least those two players are more than goons and can play top minutes. Other teams answered with no talent goons.

      I have no interest in having a Scott style goon who is only good for 4 minutes of terrible hockey a game, if at all.

  71. JohnBellyful says:

    Just so I understand, this development camp that runs from July 7 to 11 and involves on-ice practices, scrimmages, and an intra-squad game, it’s different from Therrien’s personal development program, right?
    How, and is it open to the public as well?

  72. SC-1993 says:

    Look at the Sharks 4th line. I would like to see a team start something against them…Torres, Brown, Scott they can defiantly hold their own.

    • DipsyDoodler says:

      If only the game wasn’t decided on goals.

      —–
      Moving. Forward.

    • Maritime Ronn says:

      No need to start anything against them… when you can skate around them… and score goals.
      If that line ever plays together, the opposing team will feel like they have a 2 man advantage on the PP

      • marvin20 says:

        yes that sounds great on paper. We will see when the season starts. I have a feeling if Montreal does not upgrade their toughness, other teams will see this weakness and take full advantage. I have seen this scenario year after year in Montreal. They have some very skilled forwards, now they need to insulate them.


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