Habs ‘in back of the bus,’ but could still find a driver at draft

The Canadiens hold the No. 25 pick heading into Sunday’s NHL draft in New Jersey (3 p.m., TSN, RDS) and GM Marc Bergevin says they are “sitting in the back of the bus.”

But The Gazette’s Pat Hickey reports that doesn’t mean they can’t find a player or two with the potential to drive the bus. The Canadiens have nine picks in the draft, including Nos. 34, 36 and 55 in the second round, and two more picks in the third round.

“You think you’re getting a player who can help you, but after the top picks you never know,” Bergevin said.

“Look at (Chicago defenceman) Duncan Keith, he was a second-round draft pick, and P.K. Subban went in the second round,” Bergevin added, referring to two recent Norris Trophy winners. “And you have Brendan Gallagher, who we picked in the fifth round. Did we know he was going to play in the NHL? No. But our scouts saw something there.

“I was drafted in the third round and I played 20 years,” Bergevin said. “Maybe I should have been a first-rounder.”

Bergevin said all 30 NHL teams will say they’re happy Sunday night, but the important thing is what they do after the draft.

“You can’t draft a player and say: ‘We’ll see you in three years,’ ” Bergevin said. “You have to work with these players. That’s why we hired Marty Lapointe and Patrice Brisebois to work with our younger players.”

The Canadiens made it official on Friday, announcing they have used their second compliance buyout on Tomas Kaberle’s contract. The first one was used on Scott Gomez before the start of the season.

The Canadiens also announced they have signed Michael Blunden to a one-year, two-way contract. Blunden was recalled from the American Hockey League’s Hamilton Bulldogs on March 16 and played five games with the Canadiens, failing to register a point. The 26-year-old has played 95 NHL games and has four goals and four assists.

(Photo by Dario Ayala/The Gazette)

Canadiens ‘in back of the bus’ heading into draft, by Pat Hickey

NHL’s inaugural draft basically ignored in 1963, by Dave Stubbs

Bergevin faces extra heat in his second draft, by The Canadian Press

The Canadiens are proud to select …., by Stu Cowan

Latest news and notes from NHL draft, montrealgazette.com/nhldraft

Canadiens’ draft history, hockeydb.com

Lecavalier not a good fit for Habs, by Pat Hickey

Lecavalier leaves big hole in Tampa, by Brenda Branswell

Lecavalier was more than just a hockey player in Tampa, by Stu Cowan

 Blackhawks’ Stanley Cup parade draws 2 million fans, NHL.com

Devils’ Brodeur earns EA NHL 14 cover, NHL.com

1,086 Comments

  1. HabFab says:

    First trade of the day;
    Spector’s Hockey – #Wild Trade Justin Falk to #NYRangers. http://spectorshockey.net/blog/wild-trade-falk-to-rangers/

  2. DDO_Habs_Fan says:

    This 3 min time limit rule will be a bust today. I understand the first round was getting to be long but how are you supposed to build up suspense and promote the new picks in such a short time. It baffles me when people say how great a business man Bettman is…

    “You’re always, always, always looking to make your team better. Always.”- Marc Bergevin

    • Chrisadiens says:

      Don’t get me started on Bettman, DDO. I’m in a good mood, don’t spoil it. :)

      Maybe it has to do with the fact that all 7 rounds will take place today? To keep it moving swiftly? That’s my guess.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      What was the time limit before? 5 minutes?

    • fastfreddy says:

      Letang at 58 mil 8 yrs. Kind of scares me for when PK starts talking to MB. Maybe that 5 mil/yr deal looks real good now? Let’s face it, anyone that says,”you don’t know if PK would have turned out this good.” doesn’t know hockey. We all could see this guy was going to be good, real good.

      CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  3. fun police says:

    visiting the in-laws in the states with no way of watching the draft. any links out there to watch the draft?

  4. frontenac1 says:

    Hey this could be a fun day amigos! Kids with new suits putting on their Team jerseys for the first time,players being traded and no mic”d up Burkie! Beer fridge is full,plenty of ice for cocktails,Cohibas ready,and Red Meat for the grill. Let’s Let”r Rip! Saludos!

  5. Stevie.Ray says:

    Would you trade Beaulieu to Edmonton for the 7th overall pick? EDM needs a stud Dman like Beaulieu, and I wonder since the assault charges happened if he fits MB’s character requirement. Personally I think having a somewhat proven asset like Beaulieu is worth more than a risky draft pick, unless TT is super high on a player (Horvat?)

    • Chrisadiens says:

      I doubt EDM wants to trade that pick. Plus MB will never give a young promising, asset away. Seems like a step back IMO. Our defense will be superb in a couple years. Morgan Ellis, Beaulieu, Tinordi, PK, Emelin. That’s pretty nice so why trade away one for a risk?

      PG had a plan I think. He tried to build from the net out. He may have set us up on defense for years to come. He was still a horrible GM tho. :)

      Its up to MB to add size and skill to the forward positions. We aren’t that far away methinks or maybe its the rum talking.

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  6. HabFab says:

    Perron rumor is that Columbus is willing to part with one of their three 1st rounders. Their new GM did draft Perron originally for St Louis.

  7. HabFab says:

    Renaud Lavoie – Kris Letang contract with Penguins. 8 years / 58 M (#58!) 7.25 AVV Limited no trade to 15 teams.

    • Habfan10912 says:

      IMHO that sets a better market value for PK then anything we’ve seen.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      Renaud Lavoie has got to be a top 3 NHL insider by now. Dreger and Mckenzie tend to break the same stories, but Lavoie gets the stuff that doesn’t even appear on their radar.

      • JUST ME says:

        I respectfully disagree with you Stevie.Ray . Some here break stories every day also that do not end up being true either , that does not make them insiders. Lavoie is not in the same league as Mckenzie and then Dreger and many others that are based in Toronto.

        • Chrisadiens says:

          Lavoie does seem to throw out some things that are questionable at times but he has been on the money lately. I would never compare Lavoie to some on this site. Apple and oranges, but I see your point.

          Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

          • Stevie.Ray says:

            He broke the Letang signing, and was first to report Seguin being available yesterday. I haven’t seen him miss very much so far, and he usually covers stroies the others aren’t talking about.

      • Un Canadien errant says:

        Agreed. He has the same impartiality and authority as Bob McKenzie. I trust these two guys over anybody, Darren Dreger is tainted by his tacit role as an NHL-MLSE mouthpiece.

  8. Thurston says:

    Letang’s contract:
    Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 48s
    Kris Letang contract with Penguins. 8 years / 58 M (#58!) 7.25 AVV Limited no trade to 15 teams. #RDS

    On another note, I believe the Habs should stay put and use all their draft picks unless an absolutely unbelievable offer comes up. If this is such a deep draft, they can use all these selections to give the organization a lot of depth in a hurry.

  9. Mike D says:

    Kris Letang contract with Penguins. 8 years / 58 M (#58!) 7.25 AVV Limited no trade to 15 teams. #RDS

    From Renaud Lavoie.

    - Honestly yours
    Twitter: @de_benny

  10. Propwash says:

    I wouldn’t be disappointed if Bergevin doesn’t make any trades and grabs the best players possible during this draft. Build from within.

    ____________________
    DOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!

  11. frontenac1 says:

    @Chrisadiens. I’m right here amigo!Just got in from some Bass fishing. Hey Burly, are you at that Cottage with the ex-mayor of Laval? Saludos!

  12. HabFab says:

    The 5 players le Journal see as potential 1st rounders for les Habs;
    http://www.journaldemontreal.com/2013/06/29/des-choix-difficiles-pour-le-ch

  13. Chrisadiens says:

    Is it too early to hit the bottle? Where’s Front when you need him? :)

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  14. Thurston says:

    Renaud Lavoie ‏@RenLavoieRDS 5m
    I’ve been told that the Penguins and Kristopher Letang are close to a deal. Small details to resolved and contract will be official. #RDS

  15. Phil C says:

    Anyone else watch TSN’s review of the 2003 draft last night? It was pretty good, a few thing I had forgotten about:

    - Dudley traded away the 1st pick for the 3rd pick to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh then took Fleury, who Montreal was hoping to be available at 10. (Imagine if Fleury had fell to 10: No AK46, no Price, maybe they take Kopitar instead in 2005.) Atlanta ended up with Horton, who was the player they would have taken anyway, if you are to believe them.

    - Pierre McGuire absolutely wigs out when the Islanders pass on Parise, saying how ridiculous it is that teams are passing on a guy with so much talent just because of his size. His ranting was so bad that he was ruining a draft party in New York, so someone from the Islanders camp ran up to the TSN producers to have them tell McGuire to STFU, LOL.

    - One of the biggest busts of the first round was Hugh Jessiman (AKA Huge Specimen, 6’6″, 230lbs). It shows the risk of drafting big players, they tend to be boom or bust.

    - Anaheim takes Getzlaf 19th, and Perry 28th. Hello Stanley Cup in 2007. They managed to get two players late in the 1st round that ended up being among the best 4 players taken that year. Not bad.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      -Always surprised at how little attention Ryan Kesler gets, what a great pick he was for the Canucks at #23, unreal skating for a big guy at the time.

      -The thing about big guys is that you usually project their potential. So a 6’6″ guy gets you slavering, you just hope his game progresses and catches up with his size. A six-footer is evaluated relatively fairly, and a short guy gets under-valued, like Martin St. Louis or Theo Fleury or Jean-François Sauvé.

      -The thing about Hugh Jessiman is that he was from the NY region, so there was a local connection there, for the hometown fans. That played into the Rangers’ decision.

  16. HabFab says:

    Off twitter, there goes your dreams….
    Letang and Pens wrapping up a deal.
    Bickell and Hawks close to deal.

    Update – Mike Smith resigns with Coyodogs

    • Mike D says:

      Morning Frank.

      I think Letang would have been to expensive for us anyway. P.K. will get big dollars on his next deal and it’s tough to have 14-16mil tied up in two Dmen in a capped NHL.

      I like Bickell for his size but he might well get signed to a contract that you would normally reserve for a top 6 player. I’m not sure he’s that good…..unless he’s a late bloomer.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • Chrisadiens says:

      “Everything is happening!”

      Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

  17. The Teacher says:

    So nobody would do a trade of plekanec and all of our picks in the first two rounds for one of the top three picks in this years draft(providing we find a taker)?????

    • Habfan17 says:

      No, too much for one potential franchise player. They need a good supporting cast. I would rather see MB keep the picks and have more potential players. Now, if MB could trade Pleks and Gorges to get an extra first round pick around 14 to 17, then I would. There are a few teams with multiple first round picks who may want some roster players for one of their picks.

      Habfan17

    • Mike D says:

      Garth Snow, is that you? :-P

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

  18. HabFab says:

    Bulldogs web site does a profile on habstrinifan favourite Dog;
    http://www.hamiltonbulldogs.com/pressbox/news/?article_id=409

  19. Stevie.Ray says:

    I just did my own mock draft. I got the Habs selecting Zykov, McCoshen and Carrier with their first three picks. Not my three favourite players but I think are good players. Maybe the guys I really liked got taken early because I liked them so much.

  20. Cal says:

    I’m not saying the Habs won’t make any trades, but don’t expect more than a Weber being moved. MB is dealing with quantity here, and not what is considered to be top quality. That doesn’t mean that three years from now the Habs won’t be starting one or two of today’s picks and maybe even three.
    The road to a strong foundation is long. So is the road to building a pipeline from the minors to the Habs. This will take time, and the Habs will probably not be competitive in the near future. Too many of the vets on the roster now are too soft to compete in the anything goes playoffs.
    MB’s crew and new scouting team will leave their imprint today. Let’s hope we see some light at the end of this twenty plus years long tunnel.

    http://calshabsongparodies.weebly.com

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      I doubt Bergevin will do anything stupid to try an win now, like trade away the future. He does have the cap space to sign one good player or a couple quality players though.

      I’m pretty sure he didn’t like the finish to last season, thinks the team is a bit soft and fragile, and would like to make the Habs a tougher all around team.

  21. Hobie Hansen says:

    Hopefully this song is playing In Lacavalier’s head: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COL_est2Vf0

    • Mike D says:

      Hopefully it isn’t.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

      • Hobie Hansen says:

        Without giving up any players, as long as Lecavalier’s good with a 2 or 3 year deal at $4.5 or $5 mill per season, not sure how people wouldn’t want him?

        It would create an interesting situation down the middle, Bergevin would have to trade Plekanec or Desharnais, preferably the latter.

        If the Habs had Lecavalier-Plekanec-Eller down the middle to start the season they’d be massively improved.

        If Lecavalier wants a five years deal, which he might, forget it.

        • Mike D says:

          I don’t think he’s a real fit for our team regardless of the contract we sign him to. He’s in rapid decline and has a hard time staying healthy which is already a problem for our team. His presence would stall the development of Eller and Chucky too. Quite frankly, I think most people are thinking of the Vinny from 5-8 years ago and he just isn’t that good anymore. He’s already fairly old with hard miles on his body to boot.

          He won’t take 3 year deal at 5mil per either. Some team out there will give him 4-5 years at at least 4.5mil per.

          If we traded DD and signed VL for 1 year (2 max) at around 3mil, then I might not think it was terrible. But I can assure you he wouldn’t take that offer and would likely find it insulting.

          - Honestly yours
          Twitter: @de_benny

  22. SnowManHabs85 says:

    What Habs need is a top six player with size. MB talked about balance, I don’t see any balance if Therrien put DD – Gally together again or Gionta. So if MB can find that balance through trade or free agency, I think he’ll make that acquisition and trade one of “small” forwards but hopefully it wont be Gallagher.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I agree with you and I woud think at this point, Gallagher is untouchable, unless a GM losses their sense and makes a ridiculous offer, which I don’t think will happen.

      Habfan17

    • Hobie Hansen says:

      No way he trades Gallagher. It will be tough to move Desharnais. The likely thing to happen is that Gionta’s contract will expire at the end of next season or he’s dealt at the deadline. IMO.

      • SnowManHabs85 says:

        DD isn’t exactly that tough to move, contract is manageable and his contract doesn’t include a NTC. If there is a pro scout who thinks he’s gonna be 60-70 point, then they’re gonna take the risk of acquiring him because he’ll be a bargain at 3.5m. Even if he only develops as a 3rd line center, it’s still a good manageable contract.

  23. Hab No Fear says:

    Christmas morning is here, let’s see what we find under the tree, i hope it’s Valeri Nichushkin, Nikita Zadorov, or Darnell Nurseif we can move up in top 10. Samuel Morin, Anthony Mantha, Frederik Gauthier if we move in to top 15 if not, then hope that one of these Mantha, Morin, Gauthier or Bo Horvat is still around. Good Luck to MB and the HABS. GO HABS GO.

  24. Habfan17 says:

    If the cost of moving up is too high, even 4 spots and the player the Habs wanted at 25 is gone, I would be happy if they could trade down, say with Chicago or Dallas at 29 if they have a guy they really want and don’t think he will be there at 30. From Chicago, if they would switch first round picks and throw in Beach or a 3rd round pick, with Dallas, switch and trade DD, since apparently there has been talk about reuniting Cole and dd, get their 2nd round pick, 40th, and their 4th round pick 101.

    Habfan17

    • Ed says:

      dude, Desharnais is not being traded today. he’s just been signed to a 4 year deal – that means the GM and the coach WANT TO KEEP HIM.

      let’s say Bergevin and Therrien were not “sure” about Desharnais, they would have let his contract expire and his status as a Hab would be up in the air today.

      instead, they did the opposite. Bergevin and Therrien got together and agreed that Desharnais deserved an extension, and a long 4 year extension at that.

      Trading Desharnais would mean the 4 year plan they had in mind has just changed 180 degrees – and that it extremely, extremely unlikely.

      A GM, in his very first year, makes a few long term decisions. Usually those decisions reflect his long term plan for the team. By signing Desharnais, Bergevin was signalling that he wants to have Desharnais as part of that long term plan.

      • Habfan17 says:

        Never say never buddy it has happened before and if the offer is right, it could happen. I don’t know how you can say that means the plan changes if it adds another player who fits the long term plan. One has nothing to do with the other. Like Timmins said strange things can happen on draft day.

        Habfan17

        • Ed says:

          so why would he have signed him for 4 years?? please give me your explanation.

          here’s my reply to you because this crap site won’t let me reply under yours.

          4 years and 3.5 million for David Desharnais is the FURTHEST THING from a tradeable contract. Literally. The furthest. There is not another team even remotely interested in locking in on Desharnais for 4 years when he had not yet firmly established himself at the NHL level.

          If they waited, they would have to pay him more? I don’t agree., sorry to say, with that point either.

          I have defended Desharnais on this site for a year. But I’m realistic enough to understand that the contract he signed is not being moved.

          • Habfan17 says:

            because if they waited they may have had to pay him more and now they have him under a very tradeable contract so that if he did not get back to the level he was when he played with Cole and Patches, they could trade him after this up coming season. Don;t forget, aritration is a slippery slope and there are players that compare with DD and if they were granted $4 million a year, DD’d agent could argue he is worth the same.

            Maybe you missed the press conference when MB said if he has the chance to make the team better, he will. He also said he wants the young prospects to force him to make room for them. Do you not think if Dallas makes him an offer for DD that fits his plan to make the team better long term, he would not make the trade?

            Habfan17

          • Mike D says:

            Maybe because he had a good year in the season prior to the lockout and they signed him to what would have been a reasonable contract if he was able to maintain that level of play.

            I’m sure they see now that he had a bad season, didn’t put up many points despite being given the lion’s share of advantageous situations, and is bad defensively and at faceoffs. I’m sure they also saw the progression of Eller, the potential of Chucky, and that Pleks continues to do his thing. All of which point to DD perhaps not being “needed”, or as needed as they thought.

            Not saying DD will be traded or that they are even shopping him to begin with, BUT if an opportunity presents itself to address a team need with a solid offer and DD is the asking price, he’s as good as gone.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

          • Habfan17 says:

            @ mike D, thanks for the extra insight. Very well put!

            Habfan17

          • Mike D says:

            @ 17:

            Anytime bud.

            - Honestly yours
            Twitter: @de_benny

      • dhenry1234 says:

        It’s really simple. Bergevin has said on numerous occasions that if there is an option to make the team better on the table, he won’t pass on it. If that option happens to cost Desharnais, than he will take it as long as it means that a better team is taking to the ice in October.

        I fully trust Bergevin and think that the future is bright with him as our GM.

  25. Chrisadiens says:

    Happy draft day all! I see everyone is as excited as me. Draft day is the most exciting day on the NHL calendar with free agency a close second. Trade deadline? Pffft, that has completely fizzled out.

    Glad to see wjc is here and looking for an argument as always. ;)

    Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • HabFab says:

      He has actually been making a lot of sense lately so don’t rock the boat baby!
      How have you been? Working night and day to be able to afford the big wedding I expect :)

      • Chrisadiens says:

        You have no idea. Or maybe you do. Haha. I have a calendar with a daily countdown until the big day. Its a constant reminder how much more more money I need.

        Chrisadiens and HabFan10912, one of the few father son tandems on HIO.

    • wjc says:

      I prefer to call it ‘insights’. Giving someone (probably not you)’ a different point of view’. Sometimes a correction, as I am corrected on occasion.

      To call the draft exciting you have to realize the anticipation is the exciting part, the actual draft when it is over is well….inconclusive and if no deals are made….a little boring.

      But the anticipation is the best part, the unknown. When it is over, you say they got this guy or that guy who may never play in the NHL. But for now it is the anticipation that he will and be a star.

      I suppose I pop bubbles, that they do not want popped.

      wjc

  26. HabFanSince72 says:

    Mike Gillis publicly suggesting he might trade Schneider.

    Why is he doing that? He almost certainly won’t trade him, so why upset his player?

    To drive up the cost of Roberto Luongo? No one is trading for Luongo. He has 9 years and $40M left on his contract, and he is 34, the age most goalies start to think about retirement.

    Failed to pull the trigger on a Luongo deal last year. Hired Torts. Maybe the problem in Vancouver is the GM.

    • Ed says:

      The hiring of Tortorella was a bad one. Tortorella is a good fit for a team looking to add marketing dollars, fan awareness, publicity. Vancouver is a great hockey town. Fully developed. Bad fit.

      • wjc says:

        But, you list all the reasons why it is a good fit. Tortorella needs to coach in the NHL. The NHL needs Tortorella types.

        I would love Tortorella in Montreal.

        You fans…you complain about ‘Martin’ to dull and you complain about Tortorella to flamboyant, honest, outspoken, does not follow the script or so it seems.

        There is no perfect.

        wjc

    • HabinBurlington says:

      I’ve heard Schneider to Edmonton for 7th pick and a young centre, gagner?

      • HabFab says:

        I heard Vancouver wants a young player but Edmonton is trying to unload Hemsky or Horcoff.

        • wjc says:

          The question is did you hear this from Edmonton or Vancouver, if not forget about it. Rumors are great, but unreliable, you could start somethng or I could start something….so what.

          wjc

      • Mike D says:

        That would be an exciting move for sure. I’m not sure why Vancouver would want to give one of it’s biggest rivals a goal goalie since that is a big part of what is holding Edmonton back, but as I stated below, Gillis isn’t that bright so I suppose it’s possible :-P.

        - Honestly yours
        Twitter: @de_benny

    • Mike D says:

      Gillis is a brutal GM in my opinion. If he really had a trade for Luongo last year and held out to get a little more that was a foolish move. As you mentioned, Torts was a bad move for the make-up of his club.

      The problem in VAN is most certainly the GM.

      - Honestly yours
      Twitter: @de_benny

    • New says:

      I think a lot of teams can’t (or don’t want to) spend buckets of money on a compliance or normal buyout. I would say you hit the nail on the head. Between playing time decisions and management decisions they painted themselves into a corner and are now trying to make the best of it. They won’t.

  27. HabFab says:

    Renaud Lavoie – Every team will have 3 minutes to make his pick today at the draft. One 5 minutes timeout per team is allowed.

  28. HabFab says:

    Martin Brodeur – Good Luck to my son @abrodeur30 today at the @NHL Draft

  29. HabFanSince72 says:

    Plex for Perron is interesting. It would certainly help the Blues make a push for the cup next year.

    The plus for us is that Perron is 6 years younger than Plekanec (just turned 25) and a potential 30 goal scorer. My big worry is his head injury.

    • HabFab says:

      An article out of St Louis that I read, was that the reason he was being shopped was two fold. To save dollars and that the Blues have 3-4 young forwards ready to replace. Pleks makes more then Perron so trade doesn’t solve either of their problems.

  30. habstrinifan says:

    Haven’t seen the name William Carrier much on this site. Slipped in rankings due to injury. I would pick him ahead of LaRose if both were available

  31. New says:

    Last year the Habs had an advantage. They picked third in most rounds. They took Galchenyuk then sat back and watched as this or that team took a chance on a favorite. So when they picked next there were players who they felt should have gone a round or two higher available to them. Good scouting pays off there. Perhaps the cluster from 25-86 will pay off this year, as most of the kids are the same and the team seems focused on development.

    All the talk about Letang and Lecavalier is a bit strange when you think about it. Neither were on teams that went anywhere. Both put up points on teams with superstars but it was Chicago who won the cup again and they did it without either. To me the best goalie is the winning one, the best D the winning one, the best forwards the winning ones. They proved it. Pittsburg folded nicely with Letang in the 3rd(oops) round. Tampa never made it in with Lecavalier. Both teams are facing a position of not being able to afford a good player who they feel is not essential, yet other teams think they will be that critical piece?

    Strange business pro hockey. Where you are is as important as your skillset, ask Luongo and Schneider.

    • HabFab says:

      IMO the depth of this draft is that there are more players whose skill levels would be in the top 3 rounds then in normal years.

    • Habfan17 says:

      I am not sure why Letang came up at all, Vinnie I can understand. Letang is very much like PK, but not as good all round and he wants $7 million a year on the max term and a no mouvement clause. The Habs need a big crease clearing defenceman. Hopefully beaulieu can provide offence from the left side by the 2014 season.

      Habfan17

      • New says:

        I think the trick is keeping the shots to the outside and letting the goalie see them, even good teams forget that for 17 seconds or so. When you can’t see past the forwards you’re “positioning” yourself with, then you can’t see the puck, they get inside the hash marks, and bad things happen. Letang has a nose for the net but I too think Subban is better at defense.

    • halifaxhab says:

      Letang….no thanks, not what we need. Lecavalier? Sure but for reasonable money for 3 years.

      As for Chicago’s Cup….you don’t consider Toews, Kane or Keith stars?

      I love Barry Manilow .

      -Scotty Bowman

    • wjc says:

      Fans are strange when you think about it.

      One player does not make a team, or two or three.

      One goaly does not make a team.

      Good defense with poor offence does not make a team.

      Small stature in all positions does not make a team.

      Large stature in all postions does not make a team.

      A blending of smaller with larger (especially larger, with talent) does make a team.

      Beliveau by himself would not have made a team, or Robinson by himself, or Harvey by himself made a team.

      Plant, Dryden, Roy, without good defenceman would not have made a team.

      So to point out that this player or that player has won nothing, thus proving they are unworthy is…..well….to be expected from…some fans.

      Teams are made with most ingredients, like making a cake, you need flour, eggs, milk, sugar, vanella, etc. It is like saying I had flour and eggs and the cake was terrible. It must have been the eggs fault.

      wjc

      • Habfan17 says:

        Funny, I have not read any posts suggesting one player would “make” the team. I have read many posts suggesting that certain players would make the Habs better, some more so than others!

        Habfan17

      • New says:

        I’m going to take that to mean you’re a big fan of Lecavalier. That is fine. What do you do with Pleks, DD, Eller, and Galchenyuk with Lecavalier in the lineup? They all produce about the same points per minute played.

    • neumann103 says:

      “Neither were on teams that went anywhere. “

      Pittsburgh finished first in the East and made the Eastern Conference Finals. That is not going nowhere.

      I understand the if you don’t win the Stanley Cup you’re just another loser position. It is silly, but I understand it. Winning the Cup is the ultimate objective for every team every year and if you don’t win it, then you have failed in that objective, but to dismiss the accomplishments and progress of 29 teams as meaningless is ridiculous. Each year you will have teams making incremental necessary steps towards Cup contention (eg this year’s Ottawa, NYI, Leafs, Habs) as well as actual credible contenders coming close but coming up short in late round series against eventual Finalists/Winners (LA Kings, Penguins). There is no shame in this. And you typically have to go through these experiences before you win.

      That 29 losers attitude also seems to have a lot of overlapping support within the MOAR BIGGER and Tank crowd too (which is kind of ironic since Tanking inherently implies “going nowhere” for a few years in order to get better long term.) Which again does not help its credibility.

      I do think you can look at a specific category for evaluating teams with a pretty obvious closing window of talent. It is hard not to look at the recent Vancouver Canucks efforts as failures because they should be better now and there is no reason to expect they will not have a serious decline in the next year or two. If Pittsburgh was in this category I could understand the pressure to win now, but I don’t think that is the case.

      I don’t believe that the “Finish 8th every year and hope for some magic” is acceptable, but there is a hell of a gap between that and teams with records like the Penguins are failures.

      “Et le but!”

      • New says:

        Some teams typically go through those experiences for longer than others. For the Habs it is a generation, yeah, that’s right, kids are getting degrees now and have never seen the Habs in the finals. For others, like your leafs, NY no-longer Islanders, for longer even. For some (Ottawa) never. You can only tell everyone you have the solution for so long before you need to demonstrate results.

  32. Hobie Hansen says:

    Adding Lecavalier to the UFA mix is good news for the Habs. Even if the Habs don’t end up signing him, that leaves a slightly better chance of the Habs getting their hands on another big forward to take up the cap space left by the departed Kaberle and Ryder.

    I’d be extremely happy if the Habs signed either Vinny, Clarkson, Horton or Bickell.

    • adamkennelly says:

      I’d be thrilled with Bickell or Clarkson – but slightly less so – even less with Vinny but only if we ditch DD and forget about Horton – he wants to play where its warm.

    • 24 Cups says:

      HH – I would be shocked if the Habs signed any of those four guys.

      I know it’s your wish list but I just can’t see it. I also doubt any of them want to come and play here for the standard reasons that are always stated.

  33. Chris says:

    Various thoughts:

    1. This is not the equivalent to the 2003 draft. I wish we could stop comparing every single year’s draft to the 2003 draft.

    2a. Every single year we’ve got to hear how “this is a very deep draft”. I don’t think this draft is all that deep, personally. There are 5 guys who look like good bets to be above average players. After that, your guess is as good as mine.

    2b. This year’s draft will likely be a little worse than last year’s draft. A few good players at the top end, and then the scouts take over with their particular biases. This one could feature more “off-the-board” picks than usual.

    3. Toronto has no better chance of getting Lecavalier than Montreal. Zero is the same, no matter what you multiply it by.

    4. Habstrinifan: I still don’t see that the Bruins deal Seguin, as they’re worried about losing Horton to free agency. Losing two top-9 forwards would be a massive blow to that team, who have a closing window due to Chara’s age.

    5. No, Bergevin is not trying to build a French-Canadian team in Montreal. The Quebec Nordiques tried that in the early 1980′s, and they largely failed. They abandoned the plan and started going after the best players. Bergevin won’t turn down a chance to draft or sign a French-Canadian if he’s the best option, but there is no conspiracy here.

    6. I for one will not miss Armstrong. He seems like a good guy off the ice, and I appreciate the fact that he wasn’t his usual head-hunting self on the ice while playing for the Habs. But he contributed almost nothing to the team. Time to get younger with some upside.

    • HabFab says:

      #1 – we won’t know for years
      #2a/b – disagree…. which is rare

      • wjc says:

        The mystery to me is, most of these players are just names on a page. I have no idea with the exception of the top 5 or 6 who is who.

        Never seen most play and even scouts who do see them play, are of different opinions. Too many smoke screens to know where the truth lies. So whoever they pick I will have to take their word for it.

        And you guys argue which year this compares to….and I am baffled.

        wjc

    • Maritime Ron says:

      Morning Chris
      Re your # 4
      Perhaps bigger picture here.

      For some strange reason, Seguin is not being trusted.
      Something just not right there….
      One would have to imagine there are also a few ‘unknown unknowns’ going on….
      His 1 goal in 22 playoff games didn’t help.

      Perhaps the big reason is also his new contract that begins next season – 6 years/$34.5M – Cap Hit $5.750M.

      As it stands at the moment, the Bruins have $5.8M to Cap ( Savard LTIR not considered for the moment) with NO goalies signed.
      Rask + a backup would put them over. With the loss of Ference, they also need a few depth Dmen.

      The other aspect is how the Bruins trade for other team’s spare parts/lost projects then turn them into hockey players…

      A ‘youth for youth’ trade would give the Bruins outstanding return with probable Cap relief and some breathing room for short term injury call ups.

      :-)
      Re LTIR:
      ” Just because a player is on LTIR does not automatically grant the team extra cap space. In the event a player is placed on LTIR, his cap hit still counts toward the team’s overall cap payroll. Relief only comes if replacing the player’s salary pushes the team’s cap payroll to date over the cap. The amount of relief is limited to the amount the team has gone over the cap (less the amount of payroll room the team had at the time the LTIR transaction took place), not the entire amount of the injured player’s salary.

      • Habfan17 says:

        It could also be that the Bruins are trying to gauge if Colorado would be willing to deal the first overall if Seguin would be part of the deal.
        If the Bruins could get that pick by having Seguin as part of the trade, Colorado s already strong at centre to add a first line right wing that can play now is more to what Roy wants, be good sooner than later. The Bruins could add Mackinnon and he can play right away most likely. I would think Subban would have to be part of that deal.

        Habfan17

        • habstrinifan says:

          I think Bruins are really convinced that Colorado will take McKinnon… and they see a chance of talking to Florida or Tampa and getting something they need and their fans remember fondly. A stylish D-MAN!

          And Seguin is a good pickup by either of the Florida teams.. and they wont/shouldnt need more. I think Yzerman certainly will do a Seguin deal.

          • Habfan17 says:

            That makes a lot of sense too. I just find it funny that Sakic and Roy keep saying they are taking MacKinnon. You know the old adage, he who doth protest loudest!

            Habfan17

      • HabFab says:

        I’m glad Chris was able to show you the light on LTIR. Now perhaps you can pick up that torch and educate others. We are tired after years of hard work.

        #2 – my avatar is HabFab not Hab Fan. Keep it up and I’ll have to get Chris to explain it to you :)

      • New says:

        I think it is a combination of upcoming salary and use behind Bergeron and Krecji. Seguin has buckets of upside but not where the Bruins can afford it (behind two 27 year old centers or on the wing with good kids coming up behind him). Numbers show it is better to sell him and he is worth something. For Boston that would be Jones if he goes 3rd or fourth. Plus then they’d be able to afford to sign a goalie ;-)

        • Chris says:

          He’s showed that he can produce on the wing. They don’t need to play him at centre. Drafting a defenceman who won’t make a big NHL impact for 2-4 seasons at the possible expense of a winger who can contribute now would be a mistake.

    • Marc10 says:

      Good thoughts as always…

      1) That would be hard to top. Agree!
      2) Probably right
      3) Detroit would be a good place for Vinny
      4) I assume it was an attempt to move up in the draft. And yes, you don’t lose that kind of depth for nothing unless you’re Dallas of the last 2 years…
      5) He would definitely like to up the ratio. Our last two cups had some French Canadians that did OK and he’s made it pretty clear that was a priority. But it won’t be the 50s… I’m sure he’d want to make sure the next Bergeron or Giroux slip through the net…
      6) Afraid so. He’s so far from the Koivu head hunting guy that came up with Therrien from the AHL… Off to Europe or retirement, eh.

  34. Habfan17 says:

    If Mb could get Vinnie on a contract for 3 years at $4 million per, then I would say see if the Blues would take Gorges and Plekanec for Stewart. Then go hard after Bickell. These are both young players who fit into MB’s plan of long term building and they fill the holes up front. Then he would need to see if a team, maybe the Devils, who are about to lose Clarkson, would take Gionta for a later round pick another 3rd or 4th rounder. It has been reported that Pietrangelo wants a minimum of $7 million per season.

    Then MB could sign Fistric and Scuderi to fill in on defence until Emelin is back and the young Guys get an extra season to develop in Hamilton.

    Patches, Vinnie, Stewart
    Bickell, Eller, Bourque
    Prust, Galchenyuk, Gallgher
    Moen, Halpern?, White
    Scuderi, Subban
    Fistric, Markov
    Drewiski, Boullion
    Tinordi/Pateryn

    Habfan17

    • wjc says:

      Okay, you say, get Vinney signed….3years, 4 million per…gotcha.
      Get Stewart, give up Georges and Plecanic……gotcha.
      Get Clarkson….get rid of injured Gionta…..gotcha.

      Go hard after Bickell…if they want Galagher and Tinordi and draft pick…he says done deal!…..gotcha.

      If nothing happens, just drafting in order, for Montreal, will you be disappointed.

      Because you have your imagination running on over drive.
      wjc

      • HabFab says:

        Man I hate to say this but I agree totally with you on this :)

      • Habfan17 says:

        You need to read my post again, I did not say go after Clarkson. Right now I am going on the assumption that Bickell ends up being a UFA, so why would they give anything up to get him.

        Of course if the Habs just keep their picks I will not be disappointed at all. I am confident in Timmins and his staff. out of their 11 first round picks since he joined the Habs, 10 have played in the NHL.
        The only bust was Fisher, that is pretty solid drafting to me!

        Just saying since so many want Vinnie and who I think would be good additions if MB goes that route.

        Habfan17

  35. habstrinifan says:

    I keep thinking of Brent Bilodeau and Bryan Fogarty man. Hope our draftees dont turn out like them. Bilodeau was drafted #17 and I remember being freakin excited that we had scored big and Bilodeau was drafted #9 by Nordiques(cant remember how we ended up with him) and was another player I thought was superstar talent level.

    Maybe not fair but for that reason I’m staying away from Mantha.

    • Psycho29 says:

      I remember Fogarty, didn’t he break Bobby Orr’s Junior scoring record?
      he had all the talent; but major drug and alcohol issues…

      I just checked, he died at age 32 of an enlarged heart…

      Edit:1988-89 Niagara Falls: 47g 108a 155p

      • wjc says:

        The only thing about breaking that record, is the coach of that time had Fogerty playing ‘a rover’ type defense. Not sure what it means exactly by it meant he was almost forward.

        Canadiens took a chance on him, they traded a guy they picked up, used to play for Toronto, forget his name….freckled faced guy. He scored 50 for Toronto one year, but no defensive ability.

        Fogerty was a sad case, he failed a couple more times then he was dead.

        wjc

    • wjc says:

      Maybe a little less negative thinking would help.

      They once drafted a highly sought after ‘Duddley Snide, so what.

      They once drafted Patrick Roy, Subban, Halak, and Stanley Dumford, lets dwell on Stanley and Duddley….shall we.

      wjc

  36. habstrinifan says:

    @Captain Ahab.

    “It’ll be interesting and I’m sure TSN is hoping for action but with teams trying to hit it clearly out of the park, my guess is that there will be a whole lot more smoke than actual fire.”

    I am thinking just the opposite. Think teams would look at this years playoffs and understand that ‘outta the ball park moves’ are not reliable but ‘steady and sure’ isnt either. Lots are gonna be doing medium to little moves to get themselves more solid and balanced team. Which could mean lots of action.

  37. habstrinifan says:

    As I read the posts last night I found news, rumours which portend to two interesting and very real possibilities.

    Boston having Seguin available. Seguin’s potential is very close to the forwards in this years top 3.. and he’s bigger. I posted couple days ago that Boston may go after Seth Jones. This, to me, adds fuel to that fire.

    MB from all I am hearing him say will try very very hard to move up. And if he does then look for Horvat. Listen to MB and you will see he has keen ears and eyes on what other GM’s are doing planning (as best he could gather of course). And he used one phrase I heard on TSN. “I am learning you cant” … went on to say something like be too rigid with your strategy. Basically he was indicating that if things are moving fast and furious he’s not gonna sit still with some inviolate plan. MB’s gonna be a player.. he wont be reckless but he wont be treating what has been the main players of the team as ‘too precious commodity to move’.

    This is gonna be fun.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Kind of interesting, J., that a TSN piece on Horvat portrayed him as “an 18 year old giant with a mean streak. Won’t last ’til no. 25 so yes, the only chance is a trade up the draft-order.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

      • Habfan17 says:

        I agree, he probably won’t be there at 25, however, I am having a hard time taking the TSN piece seriously since he is listed at 6′. Not sure that is what I would call giant. Then again, the media’s job is to build excitment!

        Habfan17

        • Lafleurguy says:

          It’s likely I got Horvat confused with another kid. So many names! I do like the write-ups on Kerby Rychel, and the lower rated Laurent Dauphin, and Emile Poirrier.

          “May you live in interesting times.”

      • wjc says:

        But fans would stay away in droves if we have a giant with a mean streak. Where is the sportsmanship, where is the humanity.

        wjc

    • wjc says:

      One point I disagree with…..if won’t be fast and furious, it will be slow and plodding. If someone sends a message that they want to deal, you can take as long as you like.

      This builds the drama and gives them an excuse to go for advertising.
      Then the talking heads can analysis what has gone on so far and the last 25 drafts, while M.B. and his crew mull over counter offers, acceptance, or rejection.

      Slow and deliberate……not fast and furious.

      wjc

  38. Habfan10912 says:

    Good morning all! I hope our expert draftniks all had a restful sleep. I’ll be following closely to their opinions here. This is a very important day for Marc Bergevin as his honeymoon period is over. Now he has to earn our accolades.

    • Habfan17 says:

      Yes, he does. I am confident he will make us happy. I must say, I love his interview yesterday. He sure seems like he has a solid plan.
      here is the link to the podcast.
      http://www.tsn.ca/window/podcastcentre/#podcastid=20044&id=59

      He won’t talk specifically about his plan, but unlike Gauthier, he does provide some information and shows he has a pretty good sense of Humour. Timmins does too!

      Habfan17

    • wjc says:

      So are you saying he has been living off of ‘Gauthier’, the multiple 2nd round draft choices. His Eller trade, his Galagher pick, the Subban pick, Beaulieu, Tinordi, Pateryn picks.

      How will you know today what his draft was like, except for the usual “we were surprised he was still available,”….”he is a great skater, fearless, stickhandles in traffic, plays hurt, never quits, is small but gritty, natural scorer, has hockey sense, is excellent skater, smart defensively…….all or some of the above…..ZZZZZZZZZZZ

      wjc

  39. Habfan17 says:

    Since the draft is all being held today, I thought it would be starting this morning and I was surprised to see covereage only starts at 2:30 EST. Maybe we will be lucky and there will be some trades in the morning.

    Habfan17

  40. HabFab says:

    Doing the math in regards to how many picks today actually make it;
    Round 1 – 75% success rate – 22.5
    Round 2 – 33% success rate – 10
    Round 3 – 25% success rate – 7.5
    Round 4-7 – 9% success rate – 11

    So 40 out of the first 90 will become NHL reguliars
    Another 11 from the last 120 will become NHLers
    51 players out of 210 drafted make it.
    Others will get a few games in during their hockey career.
    Rates are rounded off to make the math work better. Actual is lower.

    • Maritime Ron says:

      hab fan

      The big question to answer is whether this year ends up being a repeat of 2003?

      Most know what happened in the first 2 rounds, yet from rounds 3-9 there was still a high rate of players that made the NHL

      Round 9 that year had 8 players that played at least 100 NHL games with names like Matt Moulson, Halak, Brian Elliot…

      Round 8 had Dustin Byfuglien, Tobias Enstrom, and Shane O’Brien

      http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2003e.html

      • Habfan17 says:

        Hey Maritime,
        I was listening to an interview with Tim Murray, head of scouting for Ottawa, and he says the draft is not as deep or as good as the media is hyping it to be. I have heard that from a couple of hockey people and Timmins in his interview didn’t directly answer the question, instead, saying that they will know in four of five years.

        I hope it is deep enough to give the Habs strong possibilities with their first 6 picks.

        Habfan17

        • Maritime Ron says:

          I guess that’s the standard answer – 5-7 years.
          One interesting thing Timmins did say (true or not?) was that there was not a big difference in the group positioned from 20-40.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Yes, Murray said the same thing, picks 1 – 5 are very good, 6 – 14 are the next grouping, then 15 – 40 woul be the next grouping as far as talent.

            Habfan17

        • habstrinifan says:

          I do think though that the season just passed and the incredible level of changes around the league and the cap etc means that this draft will see GM’s working the floor as if at a stock exchange.

    • Lafleurguy says:

      Greetings two gents who are up and at ‘em early. The “math” suggests the Habs will net 2 1/4 NHLers from their first six picks.

      “May you live in interesting times.”

  41. Maritime Ron says:

    So what’s Chuckie up to these days?

    Seems as though he’s visiting family in Minsk Belarus.
    No matter where he is, you just have to love his dedication
    http://cdn.25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Screen-shot-2013-06-29-at-7.34.40-AM.png

    The caption underneath this pick of Chuckie in Belarus could be
    “I’ll change you from a rooster to a hen with one shot! .
    http://cdn.25stanley.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Screen-shot-2013-06-29-at-7.33.58-AM.png

  42. Maritime Ron says:

    Good Morning morning crew

    I believe we are in for a big day and here’s hoping that MB and crew don’t go from “being in the back of the bus” to ‘missing the bus’ altogether.

    There is going to be a lot of movement today, yet it may not be what it could have been since now UFA Vinnie showed up.
    With supposedly so many teams still in the running, trades may be put on hold until teams know where they stand.
    Adding a Vinnie @ $4-$5M/year has both Cap and depth implications.

    Any drafting we do today probably won’t show up for at least another 2-5 years.
    In the next week or so – or up until the season starts, we will need to both shore up our D and add some help for Prust (rumor mill is Mike Rupp-Cedric Labrie)

    If we stand still with our present 6-7 D – less Emelin for at least the first 2 months, we will be picking in the Top 10 at this time next year.

    • Ncognito says:

      Good morning Ron, How is NS this morning? Overcast and very windy here on PEI. I’m ging to be out for the first round so I will PVR it and watch later….before I log on here for the spoilers. Hoping we move up to 10-15 but if that doesn’t happen I still have faith in Timmins and his crew.

      • Maritime Ron says:

        Hi Ncognito
        Was starting to look up the dimensions of Noah’s Ark. Almost solid rain since Friday. Hopefully we get a break a little later for the great fireworks on the cove tonight

        • Captain aHab says:

          You’ll have to break out your cubits-to-cubic-feet converter.

          —————-
          Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

          • Habfan17 says:

            You will need a “slide” rule to convert them…lol a la Bill Cosby!

            Habfan17

          • Maritime Ron says:

            :-)
            The cubit was ” A cubit was the length of a man’s arm from fingertips to elbow.”…about 18″

            Now, if they measured some future NBA or NFL guys, that measurement goes out the window

            In the 2012 NFL combine measurements:
            Longest arms Kelechi Osemele – 35 7/8 inches
            Longest wing span Josh Oglesby – 86 1/2 inches

      • Scotty90 says:

        Whereabouts in PEI Ncognito…? Lived there several years in the 80s’…. little place called Canoe Cove!

    • Captain aHab says:

      It’ll be interesting and I’m sure TSN is hoping for action but with teams trying to hit it clearly out of the park, my guess is that there will be a whole lot more smoke than actual fire.

      Taking the kids for a bike ride this AM….that’ll make the time go by faster. :-)

      —————-
      Me skull and crossbones arn’t the only thing I plan on raisin’ tonight.

    • habstrinifan says:

      Dont think MB will miss bus…. least not for lack of trying. And by trying I mean forget the dont take a risk re much of our team/prospects.

  43. JayK-47 says:

    DRAFFFFT DAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  44. Dunboyne Mike says:

    Good morning, all.

    I’m away all day and Monday, so I wish you fun and fulfilment during the draft, and I look forward to reading through the ups and downs and the post-mortem in a few days.

    Meanwhile, here’s news that’s only slightly off the draft focus:

    The Jets are back in Winnipeg!

    Excellent! Those “You Might Also Like” headlines are such a handy way to stay on top of things.

    Have fun.

    • Fransaskois says:

      It’s a shame you’re missing it but, such is life. I’m sure you’ll be out enjoying this “beautiful” weather while I’ll be looking for some sort of virus-filled website to stream it today. Have a good weekend DBM, look forward to hearing your thoughts on Tuesday!

  45. AH says:

    Speaking of the Leafs, I was working out at a gym today in Sylvan Lake Ab. I’m positive Joffrey Lupul was working out, (if not it was his twin!) Anyway, I was actually quite surprised at how small he is. Skinny as a rake, nothing to him at all, man how do some of these guys survive in the NHL?

  46. jedimyrmidon says:

    So commandant in his mock draft has us picking: JT Compher, Jacob De La Rose, Walliam Carrier and Jordan Subban.

    Other names in other mock drafts appearing pretty often: Valentin Zykov, Kerby Rychel, Emile Poirier, Ian McCoshen, Laurent Dauphin, Michael McCarron, Justin Bailey

  47. habstrinifan says:

    Man I hate reading TSN. Have to at this time of year though.
    Lots of ‘commenters’ there thinking Toronto has a better chance
    than Montreal to land Vinny.

    I dont know how I would handle Vinny ending up in Toronto.

    • H.Upmann says:

      you’re telling me man! I live in TO. Definitely my worry re Vinny, that the sob doesn’t become a damn Leaf!

      • habstrinifan says:

        Just drove thru TO tonight proudly wearing my brand new HABS hat bought in Niagara on the Lake hat shop.

        Kept me sane LOL!

        Aside : Lived in TO for over 30 yrs. Great city if it werent for the Leafs thing. Definiteltly A-Plus as a city.

        • H.Upmann says:

          Hah! yeah agree man, it’s a great city. Took me forever to warm up to it after MTL, but I enjoy it now.. But it has thus kind of thing, like folks here don’t realize how good they have it. That’s why they vote for morons like Mayor Slurpy

  48. habstrinifan says:

    Trevor Timmins when asked the most important traits they seek:

    “Hockey sense, compete and character. If there are skating flaws, you can overcome that, if you have compete and character, but it’s hard to build hockey sense. You either have it or you don’t.”

    I respect Trevor Timmins .. his draft record is admirable.

    But it’s just as hard to quantifiably judge “hockey sense and compete and character”… so please if the ‘skating flaw’ jumps out at you let’s please pass regardless of subjectively perceived level of compete, character and hockey sense.

    We do not want another Wickenheiser or Mark Pederson.

    • commandant says:

      Trevor can say whatever, typically speaking he hasnt drafted many with skating flaws early… and almost none since Latendresse in 2005.

      Go Habs Go!
      Your 2013 NHL Draft Headquarters, Now Open.
      http://lastwordonsports.com/

    • jedimyrmidon says:

      Just because skating isn’t listed as among the most important traits doesn’t mean that they ignore skating completely.

      I think their draft record doesn’t show many players at all that couldn’t skate.

  49. punkster says:

    Been away opening the cottage all week…missed the cup game Monday as we have no hydro, no TV, out of cell coverage range, and radio is hit and miss for hockey out there.

    But…PVRd the game and just watched it tonight.

    I know I’m late but…F the Br00nz…best 17 seconds of hockey I’ve seen in years.

    That is all.

    ***SUBBANGIN’ NOW BABY!!!***

  50. fastfreddy says:

    So if MB stays at #25 he’s probably not going to pick up anybody that will start immediately in the lineup.(at least for 2-3 yrs.) Having said that, I get the feeling the Habs will be the same team as last season, unless MB pulls off some trades or somebody from the Bulldogs is ready to come up and contribute. I’m hoping one of the two scenarios happens cause if not, this team won’t make the play-offs . Just my thoughts.

    CH = Les Glorieux!!!

  51. haboholic68NJ says:

    Sign Letang. Trade Markov and DD to the Stars for the 10th pick and get Morin. Top 4 in a few years of PK-Tinordi, Letang-Morin would be best in the league and Price can concentrate on the puck rather that squatters in his kitchen.

    *Listen to my instrumental tribute entitled “Habs at War” at http://petertoliasmusic.site11.com/Music_Site/OtherOriginalMusic.html

  52. SnowManHabs85 says:

    I know it’s nothing but rumors, but that rumor about Plekanec Perron player swap trade sure sounds interesting. If that trade happens, what do you think of top six lines if Lecavalier does sign with Habs?

    Perron – Vinny – Gio
    Max – DD – Bourque

  53. Thomas Le Fan says:

    Q. So, in regards to the draft … you’re telling us that it’s a crap shoot?
    A. I guess that’s what I’m saying Brooksie.

    There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

  54. PrimeTime says:

    Does anyone get the bad feeling that MB wants to build a French Canadian team??

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      No, but that wouldn’t be a bad thing.

      It’s hard to understand as an Anglophone, but the Habs are more than just a hockey team to the people of Quebec. Even if they lose, their impact on the lives of French Canadians and their culture is more significant than all other NHL team’s combined. Fortunately, MB is here to win.

      • habsonly says:

        People have to remember that there just as many Habs fans outside Montreal and Quebec ( more actually), that being said most Habs fans do like to see a few hockey players that are home grown and understand that.. But the bottom line for most of us is get the best players available and win, bottom line..WIN!! By the way I am an english speaking Canadian not an Anglophone. Hate that term. Won’t elaborate on the other term which still refers to another Canadian language…….thats why we have the Habs: language, culture, politics are melded together as a result of the most storied hockey team in Canada and the world. GO HABS GO

    • Thomas Le Fan says:

      You do know the Habs play in Montreal … in … uh … Quebec, right?

      There is no crying in baseball, “i” in team or “chuck” in Galchenyuk.

    • Steven says:

      He can build a Mongolian team for all I care, as long as they win

    • habstrinifan says:

      No. But if you are asking “does MB want more ‘French’ front line players on the team?”.. Yes and It’s good as long as he say doesn’t trade a P.K. or Gallagher or similar based only on that goal.

    • Don Carnage says:

      Bad feeling? I do not think there is anything bad with French players or any other race and or nationality why would it be bad?

    • HardHabits says:

      No, but I get the impression that you’re a douche bag dick face.

    • The Dude says:

      PrimeTime…I was gonna ask if your were sober tonite since you made such an ass out of yourself 2 days ago,but after this last paranoid post of yours about what a french G.M. of The Canadiens du Quebec would do in regards to talented up and coming Franco home grown talent ,I’d have to say G F Y !

  55. SmartDog says:

    Can someone explain… the draft starts at 4:00?

    I thought it was supposed to be all done on one day this year. Did New Jersey move to Hawaii’s time zone?

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  56. Mattyleg says:

    Sad to see Armstrong go… it’s always great to have a player who dreamed of wearing La Flanelle on the squad.

    That being said, he didn’t offer very much, unfortunately.
    I completely trust MB when it comes to evaluating 3rd and 4th liners.

    Happy Trails, Army, and good luck to wherever you’re headed.

    —Hope Springs Eternal—

    • Dunboyne Mike says:

      Well said.
      It’s too bad he won’t read it.
      Equally, good thing Kaberle won’t read UCE’s farewell below!

    • Mark C says:

      Double post.

    • Mark C says:

      Yes, well said. I ended up liking him more than I thought I would. Unfortunately, his contributions on the ice were not great enough to keep him on the roster going forward.

      Easily one of the top one percentile of NHLers I would want to have a beer with. Kind of corny to say, but in the big scheme of things that’s high praise.

      • johnnylarue says:

        Same here. I was skeptical when MB signed him, but I grew to really admire the guy. Tons of character and, refreshingly, personality.

        All the more credit to him that he managed to win me over despite being a former Leaf!

    • habstrinifan says:

      WOW! Just catching up.. Armstrong gone… gota read how.

  57. pmaraw says:

    why is Lecavalier even talking to teams? isn’t that suppose to wait until July 1st?

  58. The Teacher says:

    Pleky and all our picks in the first two rounds for one of the top three picks in the draft.

    Do you do it? Yes or no?

  59. HabFanSince72 says:

    Another forward to depress the demand: Nathan Horton. He wants $6M.

    Here are the teams with cap space (over $7M say after filling out their roster) and a willingness to spend:

    Sens
    Panthers
    Flames
    Blues
    Jackets
    Oilers
    Rangers
    Stars
    Sabres
    Habs
    Rew Wings
    Ducks

    There just isn’t enough money for everyone.

  60. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …well, My front side is as red as a Ferrari …and My backside as white as an ice-sheet in the Antarctic

    …gotta turn over

    …let Me know when MB signs Malkin

    …over …and out :)

    take care Guys …until da Draft :)

  61. ABHabsfan says:

    I could see Vinnie gaining the dubious distinction in a couple of years of being the only player to be bought out…twice. Some team will sign him to a big deal long term then have to clear him out when he becomes an anchor. That dude may be collecting a lot of $ to not play. Either that or a team signs him to a reasonable deal then trades him back to TB; where he will collect salary from 2 contracts on the same team. No one can say Vinnie doesn’t get the most out of his talents!

    “man, I love winnin’; you know, it’s like better than losin’?”-
    Ebby Calvin “Nuke” Laloosh

  62. frontenac1 says:

    Vinny chucked”em against Iggy once and Chara twice! I’ve liked him even before the Thai chicks stuff!

  63. sweetmad says:

    The first time I heard of a player developement manager,was about 7 years ago,when I heard the St louis blues had some,I posted on the HABS site then,that that was what we needed,I also posted that we needed a figure skating coach,before Skinner joined the league or we had heard of Eller now quite a few teams have them,now I think we need a baseball pitcher or cricket bowler to bowl some pucks at Careys glove hand,these guys can be dead on where the ball lands and can throw at 110 miles an hour.I have no problem with using other experts to improve our team,even if they are not the traditional way.
    I remember how people laughed when they heard that rugby players were learning ballet in England but every one who did said it made them a better player.
    I think we should utilise every avenue to make our team better.
    GO HABS GO

  64. Puck Bard says:

    @Bill: If MB goes after Vinnie, then I know it’s all smoke and mirrors. If he doesn’t? Then I know this club is serious.

  65. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    Thinking MB is going with a forward first and D with the next two. Habs have top end D in the stables – will need solid depth dmen that can be got with the 34 and 36 pick. I think they want a scoring winger with size in the system as first priority.

    In regards to the goalie discussion — is Tokarski not a pretty solid prospect. He’s young and seems to have good numbers in the AHL

  66. Ghosts of the Forum says:

    @PuckBard — think you might want to include Galchenyuk on that list ;)

  67. Puck Bard says:

    At the risk of offending all, I don’t think the Habs 2.0 that will eventually contend will include any of the current line-up, with the possible exception of PK (no, not even Price). Sorry, but I still remember the Koivu years where we heard the same stuff. I believe in Habs management, but I think there is still another 5 to 10 years of rebuilding.

    Sorry boys, don’t beat me down, it’s just how I see things. Now, I am going to be back in MTL in August… anything I must see / do while there? John A

  68. Habitant in Surrey says:

    …just a bemused thought I have at the moment as I lay here broiling in the sun and drinking a banana-strawberry milkshake My Daughter has just concocted for Me on My roof deck

    …the cost of children playing hockey is almost unaffordable proportionately to many more Canadians than ever before

    …how is it We are seeing so much greater quantities, not only quality, of elite level young players coming up than ever before ?

    • HabFab says:

      In Canada, it’s the Program of Excellence. Can’t remember the American term but we both copied the Europeans so. Basically you identify elite talent early and focus on their development. This includes coaches as well as players.

      • Habitant in Surrey says:

        …Frank & Keith, …thanks, but I wonder how long this lasts considering Canada’s changing demographics

        • Habifax says:

          I think we are already seeing some great basketball players being produced and will see more over the next few years. Hockey is way too expensive and gets a lot of bad press with concussions and crazy hockey parents at the rinks. Don’t get me wrong I love hockey but these are the realities of the situation.

        • HabFab says:

          It started in the ’80s for the rest of Canada but for political reasons Quebec didn’t participate for 2 decades. PQ started getting involved in (I believe) 2004 and was fully certified by 2010. All Western countries and even Eastern European have demographic problems also.

        • habstrinifan says:

          Youa re missing the fact that Canada’s changing demographics is fast .. very fast actually, diversifying the talent coming into the NHL.

    • Habifax says:

      the elite players are playing hockey year round as they must devote themselves to hockey 365 days a year. so those who have thousands of dollars to spend play all year at a high level.

  69. SmartDog says:

    Weird. I can’t see any draft coverage on my TV. Anyone know where to find it?

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  70. Bill says:

    I cannot believe Marc Bergevin is making any kind of serious play for Lecavalier, even if he has met with Vinny’s people. It goes against everything he has said since taking office.

    He’s just making it look good for the press. This is total media management. He can’t afford to look like he wasn’t interested, or La Presse would kill him. But I guarantee he won’t get into the bidding war.

    Full Breezer 4 Life

    • Fake says:

      Exactly, he said he would be careful.

    • Stevie.Ray says:

      I think he would be a very nice fit if the price is right (which I expect it won’t). People are complaining saying he will take developmental minutes away from Eller and Gally, but those are the same minutes DD is taking from them already. At least you could throw Vinny on the third line if you have to.

      • Habfan17 says:

        It is very simple, Mb would then trade dd and Plekanec to get a 2nd line, power left wing. Then Vinnie could play the first line, Eller the second and Galchenyuk can learn and develop as the 3rd line centre and take over the first line in one or two seasons. He will still only be 21!

        Habfan17

        • Stevie.Ray says:

          I wouldn’t expect any team to be looking for both DD and Plekanec, but perhaps one of them may be able to fetch something. I doubt DD would be able to fetch much more than a good bottom six guy or maybe allow us to move up in the draft tomorrow (DD to DAL, DET, or CGY to move up to their pick?). Plekanec would certainly be able to fetch more. If you package him with maybe Gorges, we might be able to pry B. Ryan, or E. Kane away. Both of whom I heard were generating interest from other GM’s today (doesn’t mean much, but maybe…). However, I would like to hold onto Plekanec. He’s just too damn important to the team right now.

          • Habfan17 says:

            Agreed, maybe Pleks and Gorges to one team and DD for a prospect or pick in next years draft.

            Habfan17

    • Habfan17 says:

      In all fairness to MB, how could he have ever contemplated that LeCavalier would be available? Not to mention, even if he was to offer him a contract, signing one, free agent that is a bit older, is not going against his plan and does not really go against what he has been saying. This is not “just” any old free agent either. This is not a Gomez part 2. If he went out and did what Gainey did and signs 5 top end free agents all over 30, then yes, I would be disappointed.

      Habfan17

      • habstrinifan says:

        Great reply and absolutely correct. Posters may diagree re the ‘value’ of Lecavalier, but if MB sides with your evaluation of Lecalvier (and mine I humbly add) then him MB making a good try to get Lecavalier is not ‘going against everything he has said’.

        In fact it is corroborating MB’s most fundamental tenet.. you always try to make your team better. The conflict between say Bill and MB is that Bill would not be in agreement that Lecavalier is ‘making the team better’. And that is a valid ‘doubt’ only answerable in the future.

    • Un Canadien errant says:

      Sure, how about we call it doing his due diligence. Only then can he make an informed decision. I don’t think we need to be cynical about the PR-La Presse angle.

  71. HabFab says:

    Colby Armstrong – It was a dream come true to wear the CH. My family and I are blessed. Merci tres tres much to MTL for having us #awesomefans #shortbutsweet


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