Habs hire former Senators scout

From Tim Wharnsby of the Globe and Mail:

The Canadiens scouting staff was strengthened recently when they hired Frank Jay. The former scouting director of the Ottawa Senators parted ways with defending Eastern Conference champions two weeks ago and was swiftly snapped up by the Habs.

Montreal already has a strong scouting department headed by Trevor Timmins, the Canadiens director of player recruitment and development and the likes of amateur scouts David Mayville and Vaughn Karpan.

Fourteen of the current Canadiens 23-player roster were drafted and developed by Montreal.

Here’s his bio from the Senators site:

Frank Jay, 56, enters his ninth season with the Senators, having served his first six as the club’s chief amateur scout. Jay was promoted to director of amateur scouting in July 2005.

The 2007-08 season marks Jay’s 23rd NHL campaign. He also scouted for the New Jersey Devils organization for 11 seasons, and the Quebec Nordiques and New York Islanders each for one other season.

Prior to joining the Devils, Jay scouted in the Ontario Hockey League from 1973 to 1987, and won a total of five OHL championships with the Oshawa Generals, St. Catherine’s Black Hawks and Erie Otters. The native of Oshawa, Ont., also served as general manager of the Oshawa Generals when they won the
1998-99 Memorial Cup.


  1. Ian G Cobb says:

    14 of our 23 man roster developed by Mtl. That is huge and getting larger, say,s a lot of our program.!!

    I know Vaughn Karpan well, and he is also one of the best.

  2. kenny_galloway says:

    helllo hellllllllllllo were in a place we want to go oh oh ohhhhhhhhh

  3. kenny_galloway says:


  4. habsgod says:

    i like this hiring!!this is good because it gives trevor and bob some extra eyes and a very good track record when it comes to building teams keep hiring these kind of guys bob and trevor and keep our cupboards stocked with lots of young talent!!welcome aboard frank jay!glad to have you on our side!

  5. G-Man says:



  6. Sulemaan says:

    I thought he was working in Concordia’s Geography Deparment…


    (Sorry, couldn’t resist gents!)

  7. Exit716 says:

    They Sabres gutted most of their staff on orders from their billionaire owner. You know, the guy too cheap to sign Drury and Briere. Most of their top-notch people left to go to either Boston or Philadelphia. McGuire said you can use video up to a point, but it doesn’t account for the intangibles that scouts notice during the game like how a player reacts to certain situations on the bench etc.

  8. Sulemaan says:

    I hear you RH but there is an adage that you always find place for talented people. And Fletcher is there (albeit an interim GM) so he must have some ability to hire people, even if on a temporary basis.

    This guy headed up scouting for the Senators and they have built a powerful team. The Leafs need to fill up the cupboard. And if they are going to blow up the team before the trade-deadline for prospects/picks. Why not they have someone who can do something with the picks?

    End of the day, their loss is our gain.

  9. RH says:

    True. But enough about the leafs. The Habs beat out 27 other teams as well. I’d heard that Buffalo had decided to save money by not hiring scouts and, instead, used video to do there analyzing. I think they could’ve really used this guy.

  10. RS says:

    Interesting. Why was he let go by the Sens? It’s absolutely fundamental that teams try to attract and keep the best possible scouts and hockey people in general. Nepotism doesn’t cut it anymore. And the salary cap means that teams can’t buy all the free agents (sorry Toronto).

  11. nightmare_49 says:

    rs – You tapped into the reason for his departure from the Sens as GM Bryan Murray after he took over the job started bringing in his people who are mostly family or Friends so the writing was on the wall. Ottawa has always had a good reputation in the scouting dept. in the past. Thanks for bringing this to our attention , Mr. Mio.

  12. Woah_Dana says:

    Was he let go or did he possibly leave to explore other areas?
    The way they word it, doesn’t really sound like he was let go. & I mean, you know the media.. if he was let go I’m sure they’d make it apparent & top it off with some additional muck on the guy.

    This should be interesting for us, regardless.

    GO HABS!
    ~Sergei Kostitsyn, marry me!!

  13. Kevin Mio says:

    All I have beeb able to find so far is that the two parties decided to part company. No reasons were given for the decision, but it appears to be mutual from what I have been able to find.
    -Kevin Mio

  14. Sulemaan says:

    Love it. You would have thought the Maple Leafs would have jumped all over this guy. Their loss. Our gain. Just like Bob Gainey.

  15. RH says:


    I’m not so sure the leafs were ready to jump on this guy, given the status of that organization, right now. There are so many questions that have to be answered before they even start thinking about signing scouts. I think they have to figure out who there GM is going to be moving forward and then, he can start hiring scouts and building that team.

  16. 24 Cups says:

    Nine years with Ottawa and eleven years with New Jersey – these are two of the better drafting teams in the NHL. Tons of experience and tons of contacts. Sounds good to me.

    The Original 24 Cups

  17. Woah_Dana says:

    Well, bring him on I say! He did no harm to Ottawa, clearly.

    GO HABS!
    ~Sergei Kostitsyn, marry me!!

  18. habsgod says:

    your right!he stocked the sens and devils with some of the best young talent and he will only help bob gainey and trevor timmins do that even more with what we already have!

  19. Woah_Dana says:

    Heck, this only further prooves Gainey’s plan for our bright future & planning for not this year, but the next FIVE years. It’s clear that our team has come a long way since last year, I mean common, no post-christmas fallout!? Not to mention we’ve stayed above sixth place in the conference all season. So to add this guy to our scouting team, we’ll be holding the cup sooner than we think.

    I’ve always said it – I said it last year even when the Sens were doing really well & went to the finals, & I’ll keep saying it, so mark my words – the Habs WILL BE the next Canadien team to drink from the cup.

    GO HABS!
    ~Sergei Kostitsyn, marry me!!

  20. Jim M says:


    Pierre Gauthier is still Asst. GM to Gainey for now and Trevor Timmins is Director of Scouting and Player Development.

  21. Chuck says:

    Considering the number of Europeans on the Habs, I’d suggest that we alredy have one of those. :)


    “All bow down before the Komisaurus Rex!”

  22. habsgod says:

    cournoyer12 i think our scouting staff in europe is just fine!!we do not need one from detroit!!ours are doing the job!i.e.k1&k2 emelin,valentenko,halak,markov,streit etc…!!

  23. king ddd says:

    Its a good acquisition.. however i would have loved it was some one from the redwings management…so we can like a zetterberg or datsuk

  24. habsgod says:

    it’s good i like it!

  25. Chris says:

    Forgot Plekanec! :)

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